From nobody Wed May 1 03:16:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB631200E0 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 03:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ux03KR5iJ_gh for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 03:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90FC61200B9 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 03:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 03:16:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556705762; bh=68hvBO1t7+jNk5b1KZzEOnfzdo1QHrpS0CImIKdKcAE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B3RtuXIntgMlpKX1/13hJdCclv3WHxAv40tTBtiV7GglgvzjjYEQQoZ6MCBwyekVD BkvTaneZO3ZKolw/RME7et7Lwe/tevDYtyssETNeAFCLwcllLkc7ua8KGWPzPVJ+Aj 7W8mZwI1jiI0WKEaX8nu1FLmDAMf/BtSgSaQAqNA= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Replace HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error code (#2662) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc971e29b98a_c443fc2f20cd95c5029f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 10:16:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc971e29b98a_c443fc2f20cd95c5029f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This fixes #2551. Several changes here that all go toward replacing the generic HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error. It adds 4 new error codes that cover specific error cases already highlighted. Chiefly, it restores the HTTP_FRAME_SIZE_ERROR capability we dropped from HTTP/2, just under a different name. This PR may trigger the Yet-another-error-code early warning system. However, in practical terms this change reduces the error code space by ~250, based on the fact that en endpoint would do frame length validation of unknown frame types and send an error in such a case. It also avoids the future complexity required to signal errors on extension frames types above the limit aka the `0xff` problem punt. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2662 -- Commit Summary -- * replace HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error code. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (64) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2662.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2662.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2662 ----==_mimepart_5cc971e29b98a_c443fc2f20cd95c5029f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This fixes #2551.

Several changes here that all go toward replacing the generic HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error. It adds 4 new error codes that cover specific error cases already highlighted. Chiefly, it restores the HTTP_FRAME_SIZE_ERROR capability we dropped from HTTP/2, just under a different name.

This PR may trigger the Yet-another-error-code early warning system. However, in practical terms this change reduces the error code space by ~250, based on the fact that en endpoint would do frame length validation of unknown frame types and send an error in such a case. It also avoids the future complexity required to signal errors on extension frames types above the limit aka the 0xff problem punt.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2662

Commit Summary

  • replace HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME error code.

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In draft 01 it was ok to send duplicate parameters in the same frame, in draft 02 several changes were introduced to settings and the changelog links to #181. However, most of the discussion there was about putting SETTINGS in QUIC TP, so it isn't clear why duplication is so problematic.

The old 01 text made sense:

   Each parameter in a SETTINGS frame replaces any existing value for
   that parameter.  Parameters are processed in the order in which they
   appear, and a receiver of a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain
   any state other than the current value of its parameters.  Therefore,
   the value of a SETTINGS parameter is the last value that is seen by a
   receiver.

These days the draft says:

   Parameters MUST NOT occur more than once in the SETTINGS frame.  A
   receiver MAY treat the presence of the same parameter more than once
   as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.

This adds work on the receiver to maintain state while parsing the SETTINGS frame in order to detect duplication, which is kind of annoying when we consider that the contents of unknown SETTINGS identifiers should be ignored.

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----==_mimepart_5cc9a2035647e_35ae3ff1040cd96c458d7-- From nobody Wed May 1 06:43:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8071200E3 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYv0PrGhPXlo for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB20B120045 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 06:43:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556718217; bh=gkrRUFvqqQFj/m0g+8GUPcFAeHsCXv27UEYqni/SQGY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=U30P709p/4EkuN15/qr8KYFlBYX+6TGdUfhA7Fw0Nhv8ybspkkAWE8DO318KTrrWV MDYvN4/HpWatxV/0ATS+Lzo4P1emqFjQzCXRwe/0CfOAmUKtTcMLTuJahs7PCpdvyl e/J3v4WqhDt/Ck9gkuFsMqDeu81+56Gw4WNz5K9M= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is SETTINGS parameter duplication a connection error? (#2663) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9a289e35b0_3eb13fb0e58cd9641313d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 13:43:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9a289e35b0_3eb13fb0e58cd9641313d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed. No reason for this. > This adds work on the receiver to maintain state while parsing the SETTINGS frame in order to detect duplication It's a "_MAY_ treat it as an error," so no extra checks are required, the parser can ignore it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2663#issuecomment-488285589 ----==_mimepart_5cc9a289e35b0_3eb13fb0e58cd9641313d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Agreed. No reason for this.

This adds work on the receiver to maintain state while parsing the SETTINGS frame in order to detect duplication

It's a "MAY treat it as an error," so no extra checks are required, the parser can ignore it.

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The text is MUST NOT send and MAY treat as an error, so as @dtikhonov said, you don't have to keep extra state on the parsing side.

I'm happy with the current text, because I don't see a valid use case for sending the same SETTING twice.

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----==_mimepart_5cc9a5fc708a4_32403faf508cd96421439-- From nobody Wed May 1 06:58:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BF01200CE for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lZhwxphrTsYq for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D93612016B for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 06:58:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556719100; bh=Jbv80la6CtWXc3t6ipSjOdb17Ovl2ud4rG4G3PBHADY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pOrVQoD7dJj98HRLT6JWHaG3Aol0+gxXKtRT9LAGujiXEnVKYtuskguQsEO6oyd7A 5swrxrfwLE7HAD1/xWlYY8KUDaS3h6QHi8wU9uz2oeCz9iGB5NrVlX9LimAYrqtzK5 44Z+ySPFcpIXs7QpdLeV6eyHFEF5USxjOYhxe9wY= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is SETTINGS parameter duplication a connection error? (#2663) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9a5fc12db5_32213faf508cd9641309f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 13:58:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9a5fc12db5_32213faf508cd9641309f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm happy with the current text, because I don't see a valid use case for sending the same SETTING twice. aha right, so because it is only permitted to send one SETTINGS frame, HTTP/3 doesn't need the means to ever handle more than one instance of a parameter. > The text is MUST NOT send and MAY treat as an error, so as @dtikhonov said, you don't have to keep extra state on the parsing side. I can live with the MAY. Closing issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2663#issuecomment-488289181 ----==_mimepart_5cc9a5fc12db5_32213faf508cd9641309f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm happy with the current text, because I don't see a valid use case = for sending the same SETTING twice.

aha right, so because it is only permitted to send one SETTINGS frame,= HTTP/3 doesn't need the means to ever handle more than one instance of a= parameter.

The text is MUST NOT send and MAY treat as an error, so as @dt= ikhonov said, you don't have to keep extra state on the parsing side.=

I can live with the MAY. Closing issue.

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= ----==_mimepart_5cc9a5fc12db5_32213faf508cd9641309f0-- From nobody Wed May 1 06:58:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261F312013A for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JxIgQxu_DcyY for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E40F1200CE for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 06:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 06:58:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556719127; bh=jgsPPI2hrhicMXnq8qCa6oY518Lrw61SJisSA+dXJmU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1Qig5KuLpbTziHsr13HVm7i3lgl1+wSEOYDB4QkLdawXgo4lY/uMkKfTiOIlLLQaS rXxYkgSZsc1TuA7gqrgvfJojnsmW3XrO/QKZaWHIWNYnt9qUq8mTZys85tlJV6Djc6 lJPK36X8PfxMwfaqqEee35nf9S8fbss8PFmjIIew= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is SETTINGS parameter duplication a connection error? (#2663) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9a617aa227_227a3f81b50cd96c1472ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 13:58:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9a617aa227_227a3f81b50cd96c1472ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm happy with the current text, because I don't see a valid use case for sending the same SETTING twice. This is an extra unnecessary MUST NOT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2663#issuecomment-488289320 ----==_mimepart_5cc9a617aa227_227a3f81b50cd96c1472ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm happy with the current text, because I don't see a valid use case for sending the same SETTING twice.

This is an extra unnecessary MUST NOT.

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To push back, the transport document has a lot of text that describes or uses the term "stream limit". Therefore IMO an error related to these requirements is logically a STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR.

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No argument there, my preferred change is to rename MAX_STREAMS to STREAM_LIMITS and leave the errors alone.

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----==_mimepart_5cc9ae64ad175_57123faa90acd968149674-- From nobody Wed May 1 07:42:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509A1120108 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 07:42:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HWgxhSwreYef for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62DE51200F9 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 07:42:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556721739; bh=KrO/zlLAWA+3jwiKaupyozQOaZQUQ3sxk533nOccZQI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UiMV3jbDM1z+HkZ8LqZ1VLzi8+8fxv2i2kBBsLHAlPzPF/+gr5zfqSppHI04Bkapi ua61EUcviHd5m6h+5za/DP15P8XP4w86+qvmao25Ug23YnlZhwPMeTkH8AnM1QuScQ Kegpe71K5bylj0WcRqt8Vrg9p+p+1/05pzAOSC2c= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR vs MAX_STREAMS (#2661) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9b04b66105_64d93fd33a6cd96c1495fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 14:42:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9b04b66105_64d93fd33a6cd96c1495fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think we should rename the MAX_STREAMS frame. It's a form of flow control, and we use MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA for data limits. If you were suggesting to rename those to DATA_LIMIT and STREAM_DATA_LIMIT, your renaming would at least be consistent. I'd push back against that as well though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2661#issuecomment-488301361 ----==_mimepart_5cc9b04b66105_64d93fd33a6cd96c1495fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think we should rename the MAX_STREAMS frame. It's a form of f= low control, and we use MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA for data limits.
= If you were suggesting to rename those to DATA_LIMIT and STREAM_DATA_LIMI= T, your renaming would at least be consistent. I'd push back against that= as well though.

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Anyone who cares about this is free to open a PR. However, the chairs= have given editors some leeway when it comes to naming, and this doesn't= seem to be particularly important, so we might close this issue without = action. I'll give people a chance to suggest alternatives though.

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= ----==_mimepart_5cc9b21ccb6cb_491e3fe0f6ccd960969db-- From nobody Wed May 1 08:23:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2431200F8 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 08:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOl2N8dCln_a for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BCDB120025 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 08:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 08:23:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556724183; bh=XyHTFRk5fyQbrF1+ohafUKkJXrT2Ya90/hLBpwhEjuI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eqdRBvfWi56haIZLzNfWPLVt6orPLvEIPP7RXOnTWgIiZda4GijTM3vKzOan/Xo/f mMWG17FiP3SgPUvLBXSfh2POzj29avA8W+nhsA7g9XnyOIcVKNupoQ3o0zsYY4eod7 i6qEoWv92IEVfVhuj+hoddHnVeItimov8uAreyd4= From: Patrick Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] [feature] Push messaging from server to client (#2664) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9b9d712d29_77983fcf6accd96c1288e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: wzr1337 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 15:23:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9b9d712d29_77983fcf6accd96c1288e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=0D =0D based on the work we did on https://www.w3.org/Submission/viwi-protocol/ = I want to request adding new functionality which can be implemented with = two new VERBS and two new headers.=0D =0D **Use Case:**=0D Clients want to subscribe to `urls`, as topics with all the filtering, pa= ging information etc. being expressed in the `url`. This would allow serv= ices to push information into clients whenever it is considered necessary= .=0D =0D **Implementation:**=0D As subscriptions are a "convenience" method compared to polling via `GET`= , I propose two new HTTP Verbs=0D =0D * SUB for subscription to `url`=0D * UNSUB for un-subscribing from `url`=0D =0D To control the frequency of updates, we would need additional headers:=0D= =0D * subscription-interval: =0D * subscription-updatelimit: =0D =0D _Periodic_=0D The optional interval attribute specifies the update frequency in millise= conds for periodic updates, while the optional updatelimit attribute spec= ifies the maximum update rate in milliseconds for =E2=80=98on change=E2=80= =99 notification. If interval is set, updatelimit is always overruled.=0D= =0D _On change_=0D If interval is not set, the notification interval is defined =E2=80=98on = change=E2=80=99 and can be limited by specifying an updatelimit. If an =E2= =80=98on change=E2=80=99 occours before updatelimit elapsed, an event wil= l be sent as soon as updatelimit elapsed. If there are multiple changes b= efore the next possible update, only the last one know state is sent afte= r updatelimit elapsed.=0D =0D **Summary**=0D As this is very close to a regular GET, it would be easy and we could als= o standardise that per each client-server relation, there would just be a= single UDP/IP channel for notifications used and held up. We could also = specify that this is a "simplex" connection regarding payload data. as cl= ients would use other HTTP verbs to send data. Each data sent from the se= rver to the client would be exactly the same as a GET response. Very stra= ight forward from my perspective and a valuable extension of the standard= for all things "realtime". =0D =0D All the Headers we replicate in WebSockets today.. puuuffff gone ;) we ca= n just plain HTTP headers... =0D =0D The viwi/RSI spec would than be just rewrote to hold the interface design= rules etc. the entire WebSocket parts would be obsolete.=0D =0D Also It would than not be relevant anymore wether we transmit JSON (text)= or binary content.. =0D =0D Think of it as a GET with multiple responses.. same formats, payloads, ev= erything.. just not req/res but req/res/res/res/res... including all stat= us codes etc.=0D =0D Re-Auth would also just be another SUB request with a new Token.. super e= asy ;)=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2664= ----==_mimepart_5cc9b9d712d29_77983fcf6accd96c1288e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

=0D

based on the work we did on https://www.w3.org/Submission/viwi-protoc= ol/ I want to request adding new functionality which can be implement= ed with two new VERBS and two new headers.

=0D

Use Case:
=0D Clients want to subscribe to urls, as topics with all the fi= ltering, paging information etc. being expressed in the url.= This would allow services to push information into clients whenever it i= s considered necessary.

=0D

Implementation:
=0D As subscriptions are a "convenience" method compared to polling via GET, I propose two new HTTP Verbs

=0D
    =0D
  • SUB for subscription to url
    • =0D
  • UNSUB for un-subscribing from url
    • =0D
=0D

To control the frequency of updates, we would need additional headers:=

=0D
    =0D
  • subscription-interval:
    • =0D
  • subscription-updatelimit:
    • =0D
=0D

Periodic
=0D The optional interval attribute specifies the update frequency in millise= conds for periodic updates, while the optional updatelimit attribute spec= ifies the maximum update rate in milliseconds for =E2=80=98on change=E2=80= =99 notification. If interval is set, updatelimit is always overruled.=0D

On change
=0D If interval is not set, the notification interval is defined =E2=80=98on = change=E2=80=99 and can be limited by specifying an updatelimit. If an =E2= =80=98on change=E2=80=99 occours before updatelimit elapsed, an event wil= l be sent as soon as updatelimit elapsed. If there are multiple changes b= efore the next possible update, only the last one know state is sent afte= r updatelimit elapsed.

=0D

Summary
=0D As this is very close to a regular GET, it would be easy and we could als= o standardise that per each client-server relation, there would just be a= single UDP/IP channel for notifications used and held up. We could also = specify that this is a "simplex" connection regarding payload data. as cl= ients would use other HTTP verbs to send data. Each data sent from the se= rver to the client would be exactly the same as a GET response. Very stra= ight forward from my perspective and a valuable extension of the standard= for all things "realtime".

=0D

All the Headers we replicate in WebSockets today.. puuuffff gone ;) we= can just plain HTTP headers...

=0D

The viwi/RSI spec would than be just rewrote to hold the interface des= ign rules etc. the entire WebSocket parts would be obsolete.

=0D

Also It would than not be relevant anymore wether we transmit JSON (te= xt) or binary content..

=0D

Think of it as a GET with multiple responses.. same formats, payloads,= everything.. just not req/res but req/res/res/res/res... including all s= tatus codes etc.

=0D

Re-Auth would also just be another SUB request with a new Token.. supe= r easy ;)

=0D =0D

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Hi, thanks for sharing.

I'm curious if your request requires anything specific from either QUIC or HTTP/3. If not, then HTTPbis is probably a more appropriate forum for discussion of verbs etc.

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This would allow services to= =0D push information into clients whenever it is considered necessary.=0D =0D *Implementation:*=0D As subscriptions are a "convenience" method compared to polling via GET, I= =0D propose two new HTTP Verbs=0D =0D - SUB for subscription to url=0D - UNSUB for un-subscribing from url=0D =0D To control the frequency of updates, we would need additional headers:=0D =0D - subscription-interval:=0D - subscription-updatelimit:=0D =0D *Periodic*=0D The optional interval attribute specifies the update frequency in=0D milliseconds for periodic updates, while the optional updatelimit attribute= =0D specifies the maximum update rate in milliseconds for =E2=80=98on change=E2= =80=99=0D notification. If interval is set, updatelimit is always overruled.=0D =0D *On change*=0D If interval is not set, the notification interval is defined =E2=80=98on ch= ange=E2=80=99=0D and can be limited by specifying an updatelimit. If an =E2=80=98on change= =E2=80=99 occours=0D before updatelimit elapsed, an event will be sent as soon as updatelimit=0D elapsed. If there are multiple changes before the next possible update,=0D only the last one know state is sent after updatelimit elapsed.=0D =0D *Summary*=0D As this is very close to a regular GET, it would be easy and we could also= =0D standardise that per each client-server relation, there would just be a=0D single UDP/IP channel for notifications used and held up. We could also=0D specify that this is a "simplex" connection regarding payload data. as=0D clients would use other HTTP verbs to send data. Each data sent from the=0D server to the client would be exactly the same as a GET response. Very=0D straight forward from my perspective and a valuable extension of the=0D standard for all things "realtime".=0D =0D All the Headers we replicate in WebSockets today.. puuuffff gone ;) we can= =0D just plain HTTP headers...=0D =0D The viwi/RSI spec would than be just rewrote to hold the interface design= =0D rules etc. the entire WebSocket parts would be obsolete.=0D =0D Also It would than not be relevant anymore wether we transmit JSON (text)= =0D or binary content..=0D =0D Think of it as a GET with multiple responses.. same formats, payloads,=0D everything.. just not req/res but req/res/res/res/res... including all=0D status codes etc.=0D =0D Re-Auth would also just be another SUB request with a new Token.. super=0D easy ;)=0D =0D =E2=80=94=0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D , or mute the thread=0D =0D .=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2664#issuecomment-488321001= ----==_mimepart_5cc9bfacc875_605d3f8ac22cd9681085dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why don=E2=80=99t you use MQTT for this?
=0D Work is needed on standardising MQTT for QUIC though.
=0D
=0D The intervals could be handled through a separate control topic.
=0D
=0D Mikkel
=0D
=0D
=0D On 1 May 2019 at 17.22.57, Patrick (notifications@github.com) wrote:
=0D
=0D Hi all,
=0D
=0D based on the work we did on https://www.w3.org/Submission/viwi-protocol/ I<= br>=0D want to request adding new functionality which can be implemented with two<= br>=0D new VERBS and two new headers.
=0D
=0D *Use Case:*
=0D Clients want to subscribe to urls, as topics with all the filtering, paging=
=0D information etc. being expressed in the url. This would allow services to=0D push information into clients whenever it is considered necessary.
=0D
=0D *Implementation:*
=0D As subscriptions are a "convenience" method compared to polling v= ia GET, I
=0D propose two new HTTP Verbs
=0D
=0D - SUB for subscription to url
=0D - UNSUB for un-subscribing from url
=0D
=0D To control the frequency of updates, we would need additional headers:
= =0D
=0D - subscription-interval:
=0D - subscription-updatelimit:
=0D
=0D *Periodic*
=0D The optional interval attribute specifies the update frequency in
=0D milliseconds for periodic updates, while the optional updatelimit attribute=
=0D specifies the maximum update rate in milliseconds for =E2=80=98on change=E2= =80=99
=0D notification. If interval is set, updatelimit is always overruled.
=0D
=0D *On change*
=0D If interval is not set, the notification interval is defined =E2=80=98on ch= ange=E2=80=99
=0D and can be limited by specifying an updatelimit. If an =E2=80=98on change= =E2=80=99 occours
=0D before updatelimit elapsed, an event will be sent as soon as updatelimit=0D elapsed. If there are multiple changes before the next possible update,
= =0D only the last one know state is sent after updatelimit elapsed.
=0D
=0D *Summary*
=0D As this is very close to a regular GET, it would be easy and we could also<= br>=0D standardise that per each client-server relation, there would just be a
= =0D single UDP/IP channel for notifications used and held up. We could also
= =0D specify that this is a "simplex" connection regarding payload dat= a. as
=0D clients would use other HTTP verbs to send data. Each data sent from the=0D server to the client would be exactly the same as a GET response. Very
= =0D straight forward from my perspective and a valuable extension of the
=0D standard for all things "realtime".
=0D
=0D All the Headers we replicate in WebSockets today.. puuuffff gone ;) we can<= br>=0D just plain HTTP headers...
=0D
=0D The viwi/RSI spec would than be just rewrote to hold the interface design=0D rules etc. the entire WebSocket parts would be obsolete.
=0D
=0D Also It would than not be relevant anymore wether we transmit JSON (text)=0D or binary content..
=0D
=0D Think of it as a GET with multiple responses.. same formats, payloads,
= =0D everything.. just not req/res but req/res/res/res/res... including all
= =0D status codes etc.
=0D
=0D Re-Auth would also just be another SUB request with a new Token.. super
= =0D easy ;)
=0D
=0D =E2=80=94
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=0D Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
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=0D =0D = ----==_mimepart_5cc9bfacc875_605d3f8ac22cd9681085dd-- From nobody Wed May 1 10:41:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D15D1200FE for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 10:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j7Qox6GbFCIK for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A8951200B6 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TH6VFcOd9aRUt/C+HpEcYVzwNhU=; b=M1pXpvCA447o1hco WEkYN/G+CXvyB1L3T9rwxfLrAnJEyvqLqU9h6jG45JnnF49jaJYyEFDj6UAAlMI8 YoERjj78zodMetTR5FUODPQBsgUyAz8WAn1Aw+QRwVrImDvaF+U/4QZCLPMsvUku HZ5iEWuKzpMaunFZQorNg6gTwcc= Received: by filter1093p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1093p1las1-20616-5CC9DA4F-3C 2019-05-01 17:41:35.710285378 +0000 UTC m=+503879.055329223 Received: from github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.66]) by ismtpd0009p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1jsiYhb4Q-mZ7ZqL3dJoaA for ; Wed, 01 May 2019 17:41:35.616 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-fc273f0.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ABEC0B64 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 10:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 17:41:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] [feature] Push messaging from server to client (#2664) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9da4f843cd_17103f8ca3ccd96c5327fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: wzr1337 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Wy01F5JYaMtVc6AmKIX7/YI/87Y25t1/wrE R2e/Crt/5n+u/9oqhKsS3cWO93LnPcSttjXbMepHlktdX+HKdSK8b3t3fAGb93PjStvqE5jvDy0QkB eXpni2/uJfFY/NJPfchuZKLvCdypBYeh0mrV7MPoaP06nENLLSGR/8A7dQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 17:41:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9da4f843cd_17103f8ca3ccd96c5327fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well there are a couple of solutions possible. As described in the spec I reference to, WebSockets are used, replicating some of the HTTP headers and a topic. With this proposal, I want to reduce friction. Why setup two sockets, if you can handle it via one? The socket you use for HTTP GET, PUT, POST etc. would have to kept open but could then be used to push information in the other direction. Think of a multi-repsonse GET request. Super convenient to work with from developers point of view on both ends of the connection. No extra protocol needed, no extra syntax to learn. Just multiple responses to the same GET request, either on an `on change` or a periodic basis, limited to a certain rate by either the client or the server. **Use-case 1 - chat messages** ``` SUB /messages/ ``` initial response ``` 290 OK ``` 1st data response ``` 200 OK [ "foo", "bar" ] ``` 2nd data response (100ms later) ``` 200 OK [ "foo", "bar", "boo" ] ``` etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2664#issuecomment-488354470 ----==_mimepart_5cc9da4f843cd_17103f8ca3ccd96c5327fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

well there are a couple of solutions possible. As described in the spec = I reference to, WebSockets are used, replicating some of the HTTP headers a= nd a topic.

With this proposal, I want to reduce friction. Why setup two sockets, if= you can handle it via one?

The socket you use for HTTP GET, PUT, POST etc. would have to kept open = but could then be used to push information in the other direction.

Think of a multi-repsonse GET request. Super convenient to work with fro= m developers point of view on both ends of the connection. No extra protoco= l needed, no extra syntax to learn. Just multiple responses to the same GET= request, either on an on change or a periodic basis, limited = to a certain rate by either the client or the server.

Use-case 1 - chat messages

SUB /messages/

initial response

290 OK

1st data response

200 OK
[
  "foo",
  "bar"
]

2nd data response (100ms later)

200 OK
[
  "foo",
  "bar",
  "boo"
]

etc.

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You'd also need to define session resumption if you haven't done so already.

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Fwiw If you want HTTP semantics, I think the work on web push is a closer match e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8030

Server push with additional policies...

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For transparency sake, a straw poll identifies that three implementation have already implemented HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME in its current version: lsquic, mvfst and nghttp3.

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----==_mimepart_5cc9fa8fd423b_29ee3f864a2cd96c1195a7-- From nobody Wed May 1 13:09:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BD212008C for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 13:09:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SY4cipJm1-5C for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E3EB12004F for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 13:09:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=rU49braHIpqdrrqQa+vezuxESjg=; b=TMD4rOlXZEeW1Ma8 sZ5CG8kQWSfmnz9FcdtP7zO1Fsh2JSg2I0/ILSAu4JbsD15Hrh9BGgurBvvh/BzI bq++lZ6Febq8EK4XVuHhNDlH8y5hQpiR2/Tm6XaWvqQFgzLCws4HmWSxX5XpjNyU i1NN7/MyA7b4scGOO+iXmJxWfq8= Received: by filter1550p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1550p1mdw1-4889-5CC9FD08-6 2019-05-01 20:09:44.118644728 +0000 UTC m=+513741.090233375 Received: from github-lowworker-20a34ff.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.4]) by ismtpd0023p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id JQT1nxQHQRib7msChFxsRw for ; Wed, 01 May 2019 20:09:44.333 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-20a34ff.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD72340106 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 20:09:44 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR vs MAX_STREAMS (#2661) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cc9fd081a7bb_fe73fe4cd8cd95c109241"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1ZzQOh84JqnhHfVVZXjsGbiYYRAjfuCJq1CS RAvSkhyriK8uVFudDtIrK/3aqvvHNFGD7WC6LB+GFerblDE6xePPZxf6BveV66u34owqNQwG4qnnVA DywXJRoELCsr0OULjvxz1BFyg3/TQnjRPnijME6NOruqYoh/SH7EDutDIA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 20:09:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cc9fd081a7bb_fe73fe4cd8cd95c109241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have a strong opinion, although I do find it mildly confusing. So if consensus ranges from meh to moderate push back I'd be inclined to close this - but as Martin says, let's give people a chance. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2661#issuecomment-488400462 ----==_mimepart_5cc9fd081a7bb_fe73fe4cd8cd95c109241 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't have a strong opinion, although I do find it mildly confusing. So if consensus ranges from meh to moderate push back I'd be inclined to close this - but as Martin says, let's give people a chance.

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@erickinnear commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1714,12 +1714,6 @@ meets the following criteria:
   acknowledgment for a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE frame is not adequate
   validation, since the acknowledgment can be spoofed by a malicious peer.
 
-- It was sent from the same remote address to which the corresponding
-  PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. If a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received from a different
-  remote address than the one to which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent, path
-  validation is considered to have failed, even if the data matches that sent in
-  the PATH_CHALLENGE.
-
 - It was received on the same local address from which the corresponding
   PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.

Makes sense, thanks! Will add.

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Agree with other comments -- this isn't an HTTP/3 mapping issue, it's a proposal for new things at the HTTP semantic layer with some use of existing server push capabilities.

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Closed #2664.

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----==_mimepart_5cca0c68bfca8_50e43fc07a8cd9608999b-- From nobody Wed May 1 14:22:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0710120288 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:22:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g6eLlp7OWmSl for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC7D4120223 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=F0uYN49KAYNEhjwAzpJa4FhElFU=; b=t9qQqI08irnNYgwR 5h7nyi8XAJOUzCS2UcRl6imbqGrheNawdBLk1v7+GawlnNbxk8H0tKx25Mb/jeN+ pShEzJ+OTG3XSXsjdHp16xuDiSkx081AV6Ml9yoKrNwUeR1rnHXx6JE68cUFt69r ykUYDgdxlWXPGsmkKy+OWRQe8k8= Received: by filter0478p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0478p1iad2-18364-5CCA0DFA-1B 2019-05-01 21:22:02.964493984 +0000 UTC m=+518728.634121458 Received: from github-lowworker-6313c1a.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.2]) by ismtpd0001p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id AbgrIybuSJiPxKMyHmQxyw for ; Wed, 01 May 2019 21:22:03.025 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-6313c1a.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6990380073 for ; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 21:22:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is SETTINGS parameter duplication a connection error? (#2663) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cca0dfad4e3b_5cf83fce080cd9681152b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3q1UKaReC8LgpR/5tpiDGd6dSghpWXR3b7fS XEpuu4QSewf34ElOnT4/m5msxZpulhk4imPl+ToJ9W41BOQ8oYqt2Tc7Y6q86/D2xlM4+HNU+47mQu JLgAT0MXY1lj8TX/FX+pPajCb5eGTWvP5U4Qvc2gMACZ7mFFPL+RnBFdDeJnccLHNPGir6wa9E1MzW Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 21:22:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cca0dfad4e3b_5cf83fce080cd9681152b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In HTTP/2, when SETTINGS can arrive at any time and update anything, the value of a particular setting evolves over time. You have to be able to handle a setting wandering over the course of a connection, and so having it happen over the course of frame processing isn't actually any different. In HTTP/3, settings have an initial value before SETTINGS is received, then they get a value once and it's permanent. You can either mandate that senders construct a "proper" frame, or specify how receivers squash an improper frame; the end result has to be the same, that a setting gets a value once and can't change thereafter. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2663#issuecomment-488434554 ----==_mimepart_5cca0dfad4e3b_5cf83fce080cd9681152b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In HTTP/2, when SETTINGS can arrive at any time and update anything, the= value of a particular setting evolves over time. You have to be able to h= andle a setting wandering over the course of a connection, and so having it= happen over the course of frame processing isn't actually any different.

In HTTP/3, settings have an initial value before SETTINGS is received, t= hen they get a value once and it's permanent. You can either mandate that = senders construct a "proper" frame, or specify how receivers squash an impr= oper frame; the end result has to be the same, that a setting gets a value = once and can't change thereafter.

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Resolved merge conflicts and rearranged the PRIORITY section to have a= single list of impossible PRIORITY frames that provoke HTTP_MALFORMED_FR= AME. (Of course, this breaks #2662; sorry, @LPardue<= /a>.) I suspect there's better wording possible here, so feel free to ba= sh on it.

Went to fix the items mentioned h= ere, but they seem to already have been covered in @kazuho's o= riginal text, so no change needed.

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Agreed, it is.. so where do I file this request best?

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----==_mimepart_5cca8c48809da_36513fd86cccd95c18445f-- From nobody Thu May 2 00:17:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897FE12034E for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 00:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g9rhc2c9-76w for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 00:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E75612033E for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 00:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 00:17:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556781420; bh=9899fK8vnbi2Gc7o3GrV/1vOxjvfCE8l2YdSDqUic8o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VP5Y/FoZG6AElfxjNb6Xb1BsVLadfaN5SGxL/kqT5WPw9GjT+HkOVyotU8i2JHApw /pBzaSyyM6OG8aYeTvWbtRQ9PjU0ZmDNaq2DlTEJKc8g7m52b94Zh0mY2XH3nf1wgA zJzQ/udSZrd0ggZd6hWZ7X5AUwLryFWocJJbDUew= From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MAX_PACKET_SIZE frame (#2545) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cca996c35fd0_eae3fc1670cd95c284772"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 07:17:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cca996c35fd0_eae3fc1670cd95c284772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2545. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2545#event-2313698061 ----==_mimepart_5cca996c35fd0_eae3fc1670cd95c284772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5cca996c35fd0_eae3fc1670cd95c284772-- From nobody Thu May 2 02:39:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF6712004A for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 02:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yIDC7ELyG_mC for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 02:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F9CF1200B1 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 02:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 02:39:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556789942; bh=xLlWALyXcXItFBg6HcmpFO4sq9o18YMAKMhLjFYIUZc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M3Wzr0MXTHU2dAQ0U8h3e33WJEhG1dQInXh8CryetIUEt6RCdX/R6Cg/3rPi1t2nO /N6GPYZHSOlqcHQuBnN9Au8nz5dKT8v8gGm46O4IkZ1aKP1XyakXk7BWW0KEnlV2ZA Iy7A46qgina8Uk9MBVhTBUng9SY7BDZHz1uOIw9U= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] [feature] Push messaging from server to client (#2664) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ccabab62a24e_608b3f7f73acd9604390fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 09:39:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ccabab62a24e_608b3f7f73acd9604390fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would start by socializing it with the [HTTP working group](https://httpwg.org/). That site should provide you with the necessary pointers. After taking a look at your doc, it's very long and detailed. What is usually best in these things is to find the kernel of what you want and concentrate on that. Write a concise summary of what you want (as an Internet-Draft if you a really serious, but a well-consider email is probably best for a first pass). There's lots of interest in HTTP in this sort of bidirectional messaging stuff, but also a lot of experience with things that have failed (and lots of different theories as to why). Don't be surprised if you get lots of pointers to other work. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2664#issuecomment-488611564 ----==_mimepart_5ccabab62a24e_608b3f7f73acd9604390fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would start by socializing it with the HTTP working group. That site should provide you= with the necessary pointers.

After taking a look at your doc, it's very long and detailed. What is= usually best in these things is to find the kernel of what you want and = concentrate on that. Write a concise summary of what you want (as an Int= ernet-Draft if you a really serious, but a well-consider email is probabl= y best for a first pass).

There's lots of interest in HTTP in this sort of bidirectional messagi= ng stuff, but also a lot of experience with things that have failed (and = lots of different theories as to why). Don't be surprised if you get lot= s of pointers to other work.

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The impact on #2662 is easily overcome.

This change has been through review and has support, strongly in favour of shipping it.

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----==_mimepart_5ccabe696df83_2f013f95dd2cd96042453d-- From nobody Thu May 2 02:57:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B5A120325 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 02:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FhFnFBnFDoRW for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 02:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9A5C120322 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 02:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 02:57:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556791065; bh=Y95C5Z3UzsLKXhPiuHZFHvgUmSuO9V7o9F/cgXJKqgg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=am6TYvtg0pDBvv0A4CJUPn2UJBqFhE+8Xk4beyggoNq+GeOBMbPW8jvyyKxXveEaz fSpdAN+U53pAtX/FBxZnbmXH6PuoedF72q6AGdOJaL4oxhsHmnd+BA/CkWLSt40zkx qeAkgFh4D6UpDiG4klYsVVhh4xqm4YZQCz9+0QrU= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3abbce: introduce a max_connection_ids transport parameter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 09:57:48 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3abbce4f50cc0b43634932aac19832d7d37580b3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3abbce4f50cc0b43634932aac19832d7d37580b3 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- introduce a max_connection_ids transport parameter Commit: 1dc4519fea2fa6c2f1b3c8dbd7b5b076a1f0b56a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1dc4519fea2fa6c2f1b3c8dbd7b5b076a1f0b56a Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fix whitespace Commit: 0be2b07de6a4b21f0d7b7a810690fb1dd0ab5bd6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0be2b07de6a4b21f0d7b7a810690fb1dd0ab5bd6 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Mike's suggestion Commit: 94e33395a275df62d78ec0c592527e15c3033a26 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/94e33395a275df62d78ec0c592527e15c3033a26 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- assume 0 as default for max_connection_ids Commit: b43ca5b505697373a46bb789f1080be3f4e21d40 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b43ca5b505697373a46bb789f1080be3f4e21d40 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2018-12-19 (Wed, 19 Dec 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments Commit: 95a13b37bfe63289a7c67985857e27eaeed99944 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/95a13b37bfe63289a7c67985857e27eaeed99944 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2019-02-07 (Thu, 07 Feb 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- remove the CONNECTION_ID_LIMIT_ERROR error code Commit: 81cf8f25c02f8e937c4b1f8796d6d63fb76923ff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/81cf8f25c02f8e937c4b1f8796d6d63fb76923ff Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2019-04-18 (Thu, 18 Apr 2019) Changed paths: A .github/release-drafter.yml M CONTRIBUTING.md M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-spin-exp.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md A initial-protection.js M tag.sh Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into conn-id-tp # 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu May 2 03:02:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA25120322 for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFRYATCO-eAH for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 03:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 897D812009C for ; Thu, 2 May 2019 03:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 03:02:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1556791356; bh=QGyA1mH/9dWR28N8CMcdVR6H7e/bzOgWtD7vQLQ/Hvg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iRAB7+1bpb1BN+Pnv4PRf0j0Iu8SOsrysCHR/3+Pvk3lWJEGrIFDRJ+rXIYHiEDjR Zt1IgN7WwBv74a+R6UerozIUmo4WSdTThQipoCLE5VkEVMgJkyk6hivFFhlfTX2yO/ +JQJJZwap1kdDpOk08OqvxnsakPOrRKu/Zr5H+Yo= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is SETTINGS parameter duplication a connection error? (#2663) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ccac03c98b2f_467d3ff427ecd9605792de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 10:02:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ccac03c98b2f_467d3ff427ecd9605792de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a great summary @MikeBishop. The slight grey area for me is the current text: > A receiver MAY treat the presence of the same parameter more than once as a connection error This leaves handling up to the receiver with no defined behaviour (which is a fine paradigm). I.e. right now, if you send me duplicate parameters, I pick the last one observed and don't send connection error. I have no preference for any change to receiver requirement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2663#issuecomment-488617998 ----==_mimepart_5ccac03c98b2f_467d3ff427ecd9605792de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's a great summary @MikeBishop. The slight grey area for= me is the current text:

A receiver MAY treat the presence of the same parameter more than once= as a connection error

This leaves handling up to the receiver with no defined behaviour (whi= ch is a fine paradigm). I.e. right now, if you send me duplicate paramete= rs, I pick the last one observed and don't send connection error.

I have no preference for any change to receiver requirement.

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This adds a reference to the correct section of RFC7540. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665 -- Commit Summary -- * Reference 8.2 of RFC7540 to explain Server Push -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665 ----==_mimepart_5ccb80b94548e_514e3fa4f48cd95c1395fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The transition to "Push Streams" has no preceding mention of server push. This adds a reference to the correct section of RFC7540.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665

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Right. The philosophy behind it being that if we get a small but significant proportion of deployed implementations enforcing it, it will be very hard to deploy a non-compliant implementation. It turns out that it doesn't take much.

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Re-reading this, I think the existing text is pretty good; it just needs a little reframing. The existing requirement is to error out "If the control stream is closed at any point," without reference to whether it was closed because the peer send a FIN/RESET on their control stream or you obeyed a STOP_SENDING on yours.

I think I'll add an existing requirement not to request closure of a control stream; do you think we need more elucidation here?

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Fixes #2509.

Technically design, but barely.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2666

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2657. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2668 -- Commit Summary -- * QPACK might be part of the exchange, but not -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2668.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2668.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2668 ----==_mimepart_5cd0b9d8bb420_7de63ff60eecd96812091c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #2657.

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  • QPACK might be part of the exchange, but not

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While these updates are not directly part Maybe the first sentence could say something like "The HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames might referenced synchronised updates to the QPACK dynamic table." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2668#pullrequestreview-234243324 ----==_mimepart_5cd0bf0b26fc3_2a4f3fc1d14cd95c9979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -942,6 +942,11 @@ A server MAY interleave one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see
 PUSH_PROMISE frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} for more
 details.
 
+The HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames might reference updates to the QPACK table
+which are sent at the same time.  While these updates are not directly part

Maybe the first sentence could say something like

"The HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames might referenced synchronised updates to the QPACK dynamic table."

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -942,6 +942,11 @@ A server MAY interleave one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see
 PUSH_PROMISE frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} for more
 details.
 
+The HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames might reference updates to the QPACK table
+which are sent at the same time.  While these updates are not directly part

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I would not talk about the cwnd reduction here, instead focus on what a loss epoch is -- that no congestion window action should occur more than once per roundtrip time, since a controller only sees the response to any action it takes about a roundtrip time later. TCP and QUIC use packet numbers to figure out when this roundtrip ends, but QUIC does it more accurately than TCP, especially when multiple losses occur within the same roundtrip time. > @@ -469,15 +476,16 @@ as TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience. ### Time Threshold {#time-threshold} -Once a later packet has been acknowledged, an endpoint SHOULD declare an earlier -packet lost if it was sent a threshold amount of time in the past. The time -threshold is computed as kTimeThreshold * max(SRTT, latest_RTT). +Once a later packet has been acknowledged in the same packet number space, an ```suggestion Once a later packet within the same packet number space has been acknowledged, an ``` > @@ -469,15 +476,16 @@ as TCP-NCR {{?RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience. ### Time Threshold {#time-threshold} -Once a later packet has been acknowledged, an endpoint SHOULD declare an earlier -packet lost if it was sent a threshold amount of time in the past. The time -threshold is computed as kTimeThreshold * max(SRTT, latest_RTT). +Once a later packet has been acknowledged in the same packet number space, an +endpoint SHOULD declare an earlier packet lost if it was sent a threshold amount +of time in the past. To avoid declaring packets as lost too early, the time ```suggestion of time in the past. To avoid declaring packets as lost too early, this time ``` > @@ -915,7 +919,7 @@ It is expected that implementations will be able to access this information by packet number and crypto context and store the per-packet fields ({{sent-packets-fields}}) for loss recovery and congestion control. -After a packet is declared lost, it SHOULD be tracked for an amount of time +After a packet is declared lost, it could be tracked for an amount of time ```suggestion After a packet is declared lost, the endpoint can track it for an amount of time ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2667#pullrequestreview-234246917 ----==_mimepart_5cd0c5b79d360_3f593fdcbdccd95c253796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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suggestion: "Packets are considered in-flight when they have been sent= and are not ACK-only, and they are not acknowledged, declared lost, or a= bandoned along with old keys."

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Looks good, modulo the minor suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A token SHOULD be constructed for the server to easily distinguish it from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
+The token SHOULD NOT expose linkability; i.e., information that lets observers

+1, but slight grammar: "The token MUST NOT include information that would allow it to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was issued."

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nits, but LGTM

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -370,6 +370,10 @@ able to send stream data first after the cryptographic handshake completes.
 
 ### Push Streams
 
+Server push is an optional feature introduced in HTTP/2 that allows a server to
+initiate a response before a request has been made.  See section 8.2 of
+{{!RFC7540}} for more details.

That's not quite accurate... since the response has to be associated with a previous request. I don't think that level of detail is necessary though. How about "The Server Push feature of HTTP/2 (see Section 8.2 of {{!RFC7540}}) is facilitated in HTTP/3 via push streams."

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If mention of server push is desired before mention of push stream, would it be simpler to move the final sentence of the paragraph to the start?

Server push and Push IDs are described in Section 5.4.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -370,6 +370,10 @@ able to send stream data first after the cryptographic handshake completes.
 
 ### Push Streams
 
+Server push is an optional feature introduced in HTTP/2 that allows a server to
+initiate a response before a request has been made.  See section 8.2 of
+{{!RFC7540}} for more details.

I'm not too fond of relying on HTTP/2 to understand HTTP/3 beyond - "see this list header and verbs".

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -370,6 +370,10 @@ able to send stream data first after the cryptographic handshake completes.
 
 ### Push Streams
 
+Server push is an optional feature introduced in HTTP/2 that allows a server to
+initiate a response before a request has been made.  See section 8.2 of
+{{!RFC7540}} for more details.

Understandably -- it's a line we have to walk. (Note that HTTP/2 defines no verbs and pseudo-no headers.)

My principle has been that I'm trying to weed out assumptions that you've read RFC7540 and understand a given concept already. I'm happy to save redundant and possibly-conflicting text by pointing to a specific section of RFC7540, however.

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The current text does not explicitly say that endpoint has to check the stateless reset token received in NEW_CONNECTION_ID (and server's TP if endpoint is a client).

The endpoint MUST
then compare the last 16 bytes of the packet with all Stateless Reset
Tokens that are associated with connection IDs that are currently in
use. This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from NEW_CONNECTION_ID
frames and the server's transport parameters.

With this wording, I was under the impression that server can use stateless reset token in its own TP, but it seems not.

I think it would be nice to state that only received stateless reset tokens are checked.

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----==_mimepart_5cd1752fc66d_17783fafb62cd968135951-- From nobody Tue May 7 05:19:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DFD120203 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 05:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YZD9s56IBdiG for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 05:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF04412018A for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 05:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 05:19:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557231576; bh=mlxw6RQjc+1+jrrXC4ke1OMbjae2Hzvmtqalj7aLE68=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qrF1So2YCcLjX/IEa418AEco8vvGtSVjo3mlAgxqSBGHfsYbCMBG1HSmyWlvS1lGu G+6+tjET8IlcHYGP2+fbBSfMBKcXrhrb3ZF+YPkaATk1HhR/iqFOVGJNbj9gnbEygo c/OCyfpqOIk2sewKTGyMMY5Mw4HH9oLhF9FILNTM= From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Only received Stateless reset token should be checked (#2669) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd177d8c36e6_6cdd3fa9590cd964143569"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 12:19:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd177d8c36e6_6cdd3fa9590cd964143569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The token is carried in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame sent by either peer, and servers can specify the stateless_reset_token transport parameter during the handshake (clients cannot because their transport parameters don't have confidentiality protection). This text is also problematic because it suggests that endpoint can specify token sent by either peer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2669#issuecomment-490055743 ----==_mimepart_5cd177d8c36e6_6cdd3fa9590cd964143569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The token is
carried in the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame sent by either peer, and
servers can specify the stateless_reset_token transport parameter
during the handshake (clients cannot because their transport
parameters don't have confidentiality protection).

This text is also problematic because it suggests that endpoint can specify token sent by either peer.

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I asked the question on Slack and got quite a bit of feedback so I figured I'd open an issue.

Right now, it seems all but one implementation (quicly) is using the default ack_delay_exponent value of 8. Quicly is using an even higher value of 10 because they don't care about more than millisecond timer resolution.

This leads me to believe that having this be a configurable value (in the QUIC TP) is an over design, and we should simplify this. Pick a value (8 or 10, I personally don't care which) and just leave it at that.

The only argument I've heard for keeping it configurable is that intra-DC environments might want to have a smaller exponent to have more fine grain ACK delays. I'm not sure that's a great reason, personally. At that small of time granularity, most OS timers aren't going to be very accurate. So, even if you can calculate an extremely accurrate RTT, it's not going to help your loss recovery timers any.

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However, it does not define what it is to abandon a connection attempt. Is it an abrupt termination without writing a connection close? That probably makes the most sense since the server is meant to be stateless at this stage. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2671 ----==_mimepart_5cd1c17d4ec83_6bdb3fd515acd96814293e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The draft currently reads:
"When a client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it MUST abandon the current connection attempt."
However, it does not define what it is to abandon a connection attempt. Is it an abrupt termination without writing a connection close? That probably makes the most sense since the server is meant to be stateless at this stage.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -214,6 +214,13 @@ Most TCP mechanisms implicitly attempt to infer transmission ordering based on
 TCP sequence numbers - a non-trivial task, especially when TCP timestamps are
 not available.
 
+### Clearer end to a loss epoch
+
+QUIC may reduce cwnd several times on successive losses whereas TCP will keep

Thanks, PTAL.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue May 7 11:53:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48DB120271 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 11:53:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m2hAfD0NVxYl for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07887120272 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 11:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 11:53:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557255184; bh=WDZW3gJ4q8FFRDaJNxxPHE590ndrWPI0pfSq7778uro=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BqzHzS0hBRb0cbJ/C4lwuDaLFktONPaoVSMuQU5tOraFHMud85IyW308sEGNRAh7I dtLx0/WMj8oY4kHYHroEqxf8IaosKVxkIsqstr70H9UAVEHzc9M4XbUw9s/osl5iD2 U2SPd53ojkf4+dKFKn0BLuP7eDTdmUrXCwjlLVIc= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd1d4106ef30_72653fc6c10cd95c1625e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 18:53:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd1d4106ef30_72653fc6c10cd95c1625e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think simple buffering is sufficient. You would have to not only buffer the frame that updates the priority of a not-yet-created stream, but also frames that create dependencies on that stream, and frames that create dependencies on streams that would be under that tree if you weren't already buffering the frames that create the tree. That can be done, but it's not straightforward. A simpler alternative is, potentially, to stop processing PRIORITY frames (which effectively means not processing the control stream) until the indicated stream has arrived. Not great, but PRIORITY frames are most of what will be on that stream and we've already said they need to be processed in order. I don't feel like there's a good solution to this and I'm supportive of exploring alternative priority mechanisms, but I'm not sure that needs to land in the core H3 spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I don't think simple buffering is sufficient. You would have to not only buffer the frame that updates the priority of a not-yet-created stream, but also frames that create dependencies on that stream, and frames that create dependencies on streams that would be under that tree if you weren't already buffering the frames that create the tree. That can be done, but it's not straightforward.

A simpler alternative is, potentially, to stop processing PRIORITY frames (which effectively means not processing the control stream) until the indicated stream has arrived. Not great, but PRIORITY frames are most of what will be on that stream and we've already said they need to be processed in order.

I don't feel like there's a good solution to this and I'm supportive of exploring alternative priority mechanisms, but I'm not sure that needs to land in the core H3 spec.

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----==_mimepart_5cd1d4106ef30_72653fc6c10cd95c1625e1-- From nobody Tue May 7 13:24:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F976120128 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xbSqjtRAmbVx for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B10D71201D6 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 13:24:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557260686; bh=r8hwLqPEERJyaYs/ehkElWd7Dxqj5ux+3n2qHZtwjbc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=It3LW6qoJVYnUXa4A6TuqoTz1DfuoOJTGJKXeRrom/jEkmKM8jw3V/IbP+APdGcVZ Bfyk+O3K2fv7QOarYzp/6HzCBqK9+uOITShYSlsTSx3GEIu5ApHaJtznzSbQ2Tde/o j7kwIZM9LGUcuAoDYnAPOYB71Fc3xFnnJjTn15Vw= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport error codes would be smaller and more consistent as a varint (#2672) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd1e98e5bb9e_53033f8ebfacd96452764"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 20:24:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd1e98e5bb9e_53033f8ebfacd96452764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently there are three spots in the QUIC transport spec which used fixed length(16-bit) integers: * Connection Close error code * Application Protocol Error Code in Reset Stream * Application Error Code in Stop Sending This typically makes reset stream and stop sending frames 1 byte larger than they need to be, which could be slightly annoying if one is churning through a huge number of streams. It creates some unnecessary oddness in the HTTP/3 spec, where the HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME(0x01XX) is describing a frame type that's a varint. Admittedly, there would still be a limit of 2^60 being expressible, but it's easy to avoid that. I think all 3 fields would be better as a varint, given our recent decisions to make HTTP/3 all varints. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2672 ----==_mimepart_5cd1e98e5bb9e_53033f8ebfacd96452764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Currently there are three spots in the QUIC transport spec which used fixed length(16-bit) integers:

  • Connection Close error code
  • Application Protocol Error Code in Reset Stream
  • Application Error Code in Stop Sending

This typically makes reset stream and stop sending frames 1 byte larger than they need to be, which could be slightly annoying if one is churning through a huge number of streams.

It creates some unnecessary oddness in the HTTP/3 spec, where the HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME(0x01XX) is describing a frame type that's a varint. Admittedly, there would still be a limit of 2^60 being expressible, but it's easy to avoid that.

I think all 3 fields would be better as a varint, given our recent decisions to make HTTP/3 all varints.

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----==_mimepart_5cd1e98e5bb9e_53033f8ebfacd96452764-- From nobody Tue May 7 13:39:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4061202EB for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:39:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n7VJquuZdEVJ for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 162D11202D3 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 13:39:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557261565; bh=4vxfNhjM0vudHeauZK6kA0zPdEF2YxNPKSJ5ImFg/Iw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=llFeqaKmE7KX5b8H2ffo3aWiX/kFKoIFsJisUPHqDtMA5UJnj8zqD7HERUUUQ8lDI rOmHhYlLMNKM0XooS0m98QhV2dAVCM7RhEQhnoJLJHZfs/gj5bOWUumb2lyOIwgaVt boRCjsWP1p1fpZ3g1g4DBzG/kSvT8jNPcNTwmN3c= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reference 8.2 of RFC7540 to explain Server Push (#2665) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd1ecfda607b_47e43fe50cacd95c353538"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 20:39:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd1ecfda607b_47e43fe50cacd95c353538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe this would be better if section 4 was moved after section 6? Then the concepts would be explained before going into the framing. I'd also like to reorder/renumber all the push frame types so they're all adjacent to one another and in a sensible order. Is there a reason they're numbered as they are? If not, I'll open an issue to renumber them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665#issuecomment-490246487 ----==_mimepart_5cd1ecfda607b_47e43fe50cacd95c353538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Maybe this would be better if section 4 was moved after section 6? Then the concepts would be explained before going into the framing.

I'd also like to reorder/renumber all the push frame types so they're all adjacent to one another and in a sensible order. Is there a reason they're numbered as they are? If not, I'll open an issue to renumber them.

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----==_mimepart_5cd1ecfda607b_47e43fe50cacd95c353538-- From nobody Tue May 7 13:41:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073CE120226 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L8Q5nLdXs6i7 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34B5E120235 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 13:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 13:40:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557261656; bh=MKMHmNNA1uANBAfgcHV5adQjt9PJK3ie6X2zmICB6FU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=k/W/SWWynG+I7wE1ImWYOlGocRHl1yFoDdkZkz6qqn0wuhCHlW/f6nSnJurQJes2h aZLVYAnt8zP26elWskIttcIkfozA4JzzFVawHz9XPGUYECIp9iluicUtMMvrgNujaE hauGOIRQs/c86sucp3hbbEP1NLgnj5ImtsepY6iw= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK might be part of the exchange, but not (#2668) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd1ed58268c_9b43fdc612cd96834548d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 20:40:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd1ed58268c_9b43fdc612cd96834548d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afrind approved this pull request. > @@ -942,6 +942,11 @@ A server MAY interleave one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see PUSH_PROMISE frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} for more details. +The HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames might reference concurrent updates to the +QPACK table. While these updates are not directly part of the message exchange, I agree with Martin that we should say 'QPACK dynamic table' here. I'm not crazy about 'concurrent'. What if we just said 'might reference updates'? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2668#pullrequestreview-234750166 ----==_mimepart_5cd1ed58268c_9b43fdc612cd96834548d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -942,6 +942,11 @@ A server MAY interleave one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see
 PUSH_PROMISE frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} for more
 details.
 
+The HEADERS and PUSH_PROMISE frames might reference concurrent updates to the
+QPACK table.  While these updates are not directly part of the message exchange,

I agree with Martin that we should say 'QPACK dynamic table' here.

I'm not crazy about 'concurrent'. What if we just said 'might reference updates'?

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There's already an issue to reorder some of the sections, so I'm happy to consider this as part of the same discussion. As to the numbering, the primary reason is maintaining the same frame IDs for things that stayed over from HTTP/2 -- PUSH_PROMISE has the same ID, CANCEL_PUSH has the ID that HTTP/2 used for RST_STREAM, and DUPLICATE_PUSH is brand new and so pushes into unallocated space.

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I would support a move to varints. I've been wanting to support more than 16-bit application error codes, for non-http protocols.

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This PR is the output of the discard keys design team, and has reached consensus amongst design team members (modulo wordsmithing). It describes methods for discarding QUIC packet protection keys, and adds normative text to ensure that this mechanism is not vulnerable to deadlocks. This PR also formalizes the concept of handshake complete and handshake confirmed. Finally, this PR also moved some text around to avoid repetitions.

We believe that this PR prevents the potential deadlocks discussed in issues #2214 and #2267.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673

Commit Summary

  • First draft of the output of the discard keys design team
  • Incorporated feedback from Martin Thomson and Marten Seeman
  • Make discarding handshake keys a SHOULD
  • Further review comments from Martin Thomson
  • Comments from EKR
  • More changes from MT and EKR
  • Merge branch 'master' into design_team_discard_keys

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TCP waits for the gap in the sequence number space to be filled, +and so if a segment is lost multiple times in a row, the loss epoch does not ```suggestion and so if a segment is lost multiple times in a row, the loss epoch may not ``` > @@ -214,6 +214,15 @@ Most TCP mechanisms implicitly attempt to infer transmission ordering based on TCP sequence numbers - a non-trivial task, especially when TCP timestamps are not available. +### Clearer Loss Epoch + +QUIC ends a loss epoch when a packet sent after loss is declared is +acknowledged. TCP waits for the gap in the sequence number space to be filled, +and so if a segment is lost multiple times in a row, the loss epoch does not +end. Because both reduce CWND only once per epoch, QUIC may reduce ```suggestion end for several round trips. Because both reduce CWND only once per epoch, QUIC will reduce its ``` > @@ -214,6 +214,15 @@ Most TCP mechanisms implicitly attempt to infer transmission ordering based on TCP sequence numbers - a non-trivial task, especially when TCP timestamps are not available. +### Clearer Loss Epoch + +QUIC ends a loss epoch when a packet sent after loss is declared is +acknowledged. TCP waits for the gap in the sequence number space to be filled, +and so if a segment is lost multiple times in a row, the loss epoch does not +end. Because both reduce CWND only once per epoch, QUIC may reduce +congestion window multiple times in the same circumstances TCP only reduces ```suggestion congestion window correctly once for every round trip that experiences loss, while TCP may only reduce ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@mnot, the PR for this changed the transport doc. Can you check whether we need to run a consensus call?

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Closing now that we have #2673

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Closed #2492.

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I don't think this adds a lot of complexity, so I'm happy with the status quo.

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Maybe, but I still think the code is overkill. Each frame has to define what it means to be malformed, and most frames are simple enough that malforming them is only possible by getting the size wrong.

The proposal on #2662 would mean most error become a generic FRAME_SIZE_ERROR. This is equivalent to the HTTP/2 status quo. It would help to know if current deployments find that insufficient and/or why they feel that a similar error in HTTP/3 would be insufficient so as to warrant MALFORMED_FRAME.

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@mirjak please see the request in #2628 (comment)

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The technical bits of this are superceded by #2673, but I want to keep some of these editorial changes.

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----==_mimepart_5cd20c4473289_51ff3f9d5a6cd964135275-- From nobody Tue May 7 15:53:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F2A12022E for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 15:53:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HgZ9vGEyRJkr for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 15:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45DA2120091 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 15:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 15:53:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557269594; bh=iCBV/+TIzUOba2sTXOfxUhjB4kBR0ltCzoDF+UpXjkI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nfPrQ2RKTVl1sOnkQOiJlArIjUgDibdj6/YjS4IlZQsETijtZU9wQeqv6itVXXBQv A1zKri/iOelAOoj+d8CHDpJ8D8ZFO3q90vA7cWmXJap8+LuHRpKSA9Et7MjQtenvxV ZC8Mx0LmojHT2qJw7IJ667Y5b4QkgrzJQPudKhRQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MAX_KEY_UPDATES frame (yet another proposal to solve the key retirement problem) (#2504) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd20c59e8baa_18883fae5b8cd964839c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 22:53:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd20c59e8baa_18883fae5b8cd964839c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can we close this in favour of #2673? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2504#issuecomment-490283224 ----==_mimepart_5cd20c59e8baa_18883fae5b8cd964839c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can we close this in favour of #2673?

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----==_mimepart_5cd20c59e8baa_18883fae5b8cd964839c2-- From nobody Tue May 7 15:59:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA77120091 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 15:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1vxiqx-EjOke for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 15:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4674512022E for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 15:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 15:59:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557269978; bh=s820GVckQxCJREUIgWA2fDUgAdxVUaZr06Jp9o7Dap0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fzzBtYULIMkYNfXYa4mfLisyC0HZ/WvoC0ldA0Tq6NdWTIAYLY71Myf8B1VZxhcjN Tb5o4kxmn0TIJb+7Q6PsDW16bu8zU0ReKjokxlM09Cj7oRkyKXbDXNcjtSGaq28WAz Yv1ZAPRPaYE/PR7gQroUP+TqKzmzUZ+bj9qziJGc= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport error codes would be smaller and more consistent as a varint (#2672) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd20dda9a51e_20b53fa7030cd96c186773"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 22:59:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd20dda9a51e_20b53fa7030cd96c186773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We discussed this in #1940, and closed it because nobody felt strongly either way, if I remember correctly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2672#issuecomment-490284570 ----==_mimepart_5cd20dda9a51e_20b53fa7030cd96c186773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We discussed this in #1940, and closed it because nobody felt strongly either way, if I remember correctly.

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----==_mimepart_5cd20dda9a51e_20b53fa7030cd96c186773-- From nobody Tue May 7 16:09:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D52B120071 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 16:09:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HpALCk5J7Sr4 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 16:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77E20120045 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 16:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 16:09:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557270577; bh=7Q+Xa8hvcNS8pFNuify6+02LsaEzzWKqMvM752cGDpY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yN373l2GMQ+S0RcsKfqosgWpGSFGpinAiA0ggvG8vVeR6aqBXTZuTaHOOcU56OnOZ mafyIlnB4oOdGyqKy4p/YYNpXL0rSsDCDQ7gscvT1E02DLhRdzpJ8a4LBtxUy3OEI5 gMxG83pNfznu3Z8ODWtNZEXdD6UUB6+LtHaX2xTw= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport error codes would be smaller and more consistent as a varint (#2672) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd2103145925_309b3f97e42cd95c2045ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 23:09:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd2103145925_309b3f97e42cd95c2045ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think preferences may have changed, and @nibanks did have a preference for varints here anyways. Since nobody had a strong preference either way in #1940, it's probably worth having people voice their opinions if they now believe more strongly than they did before. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2672#issuecomment-490286832 ----==_mimepart_5cd2103145925_309b3f97e42cd95c2045ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think preferences may have changed, and @nibanks did have a preference for varints here anyways. Since nobody had a strong preference either way in #1940, it's probably worth having people voice their opinions if they now believe more strongly than they did before.

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----==_mimepart_5cd2103145925_309b3f97e42cd95c2045ba-- From nobody Tue May 7 16:45:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4152F1200CD for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 16:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yomQfbYKFQVJ for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 193DC120073 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 16:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 16:45:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557272719; bh=7YFq4uyCssWjR065jprz6pJXTI7q/ExuLy1YkAJS9b4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ImNf+IE3TdkICfSiuV29/ES9v0qEA+cgyqjC3CCSX1JtEeU4TfroCCqWpHkP97B+O kApcTpYkcZVLxNuLMqw6nbPd5gImkpJEfAnhNyhLgpSEkpWj5BwMGtVGPL8Gzf1UyI L+/x0Qmjg/VWdFmpOtlqUt7+t8o+RjuVT0VC2/pg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd2188f6c93b_6a123fccb7ccd9682012db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 23:45:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd2188f6c93b_6a123fccb7ccd9682012db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. Lots of editorial suggestions, but nothing technical. This looks good. > + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the +following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint +has received an ACK for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. This second condition ```suggestion has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. This second condition ``` > @@ -655,8 +662,7 @@ alerts at the "warning" level. After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for previous encryption levels can be discarded. This occurs several times during the -handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}). Initial -packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}. Right now, this removed statement is still true, so I think we should retain it. > @@ -724,6 +703,36 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most applications protocols +will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their +handshake keys promptly. Applications protocols that do not MAY send +ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have installed +those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them, ```suggestion those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment, ``` > @@ -724,6 +703,36 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most applications protocols +will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their +handshake keys promptly. Applications protocols that do not MAY send +ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have installed +those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them, +ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys. Sending data is a prerequisite for getting an ACK, which is a selfish thing. You send (ACK-eliciting) data so that you get an ACK and so that you can discard handshake keys. So this statement is incorrect as formulated. Maybe instead: > Endpoints that do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake can send ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be confirmed when they are acknowledged. > +will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their +handshake keys promptly. Applications protocols that do not MAY send +ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have installed +those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them, +ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT +packet ({{using-early-data}}). Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as +soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet. However, due to packet reordering, a +client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY ```suggestion 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY ``` "client's" and "valid" are implied. Fix the a/an thing separately. > +those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them, +ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT +packet ({{using-early-data}}). Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as +soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet. However, due to packet reordering, a +client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY +temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without +requiring their contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys. There is a bound +on how long these keys can be temporarily retained: servers MUST have discarded Drop the lead-in. "Servers MUST discard 0-RTT within three times the Probe Timeout (...) of receiving a 1-RTT packet." > +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT +packet ({{using-early-data}}). Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as +soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet. However, due to packet reordering, a +client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY +temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without +requiring their contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys. There is a bound +on how long these keys can be temporarily retained: servers MUST have discarded +0-RTT keys once three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) has +elapsed after receiving a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY also keep track of +received 0-RTT packet numbers as an indication that all of them have been +received which allows them to discard 0-RTT keys earlier. It might be easier to say "A server can drop 0-RTT keys earlier if it determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by tracking packet numbers." > @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: + +- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a Two open parentheses, one close in this point. I think that you can replace the first with a comma. > @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: + +- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a +pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see +Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]). ```suggestion Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}. ``` > @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: + +- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a +pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see ```suggestion pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see ``` > -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: + +- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a +pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see +Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]). +- The client has not demonstrated liveness. +- Any received 0-RTT data that the server responds to might be due to a replay +attack. + +Therefore, the server's use of 1-RTT keys is limited before the handshake is +complete. A server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT +protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete. Note that, since ```suggestion protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete. Because ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous ```suggestion key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the current ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged ```suggestion with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged +field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the ```suggestion packet for the packet number space: once the latter is higher than the ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged +field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the +former, another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys ```suggestion Endpoints are required to maintain at most two latest sets of packet protection keys for removing packet protection and one set of keys for protecting packets. Older keys MAY be discarded. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged +field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the +former, another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys +and MAY discard older keys. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause I really want multi-line suggestions... ```suggestion ``` > -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged +field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the +former, another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys +and MAY discard older keys. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause +packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly delayed. +Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the +PTO after it has last updated keys. This avoids valid reordered packets being +dropped by the peer because the peer could have discarded older keys. ```suggestion dropped by the peer as a result of the peer discarding older keys. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Lots of editorial suggestions, but nothing technical. This looks good= .

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> +=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished me=
ssage.=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance t=
hat=0D
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the hands=
hake=0D
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requir=
ements=0D
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specifi=
c to=0D
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in que=
stion.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of=
 the=0D
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endp=
oint=0D
+has received an ACK for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second cond=
ition=0D
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-has received an ACK for a packet sent with 1-=
RTT keys.  This second condition=0D
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This =
second condition=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -655,8 +662,7 @@ alerts at the "wa=
rning" level.=0D
 =0D
 After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for p=
revious=0D
 encryption levels can be discarded.  This occurs several times during th=
e=0D
-handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}).  Initi=
al=0D
-packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}.=0D=
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Right now, this removed statement is still true, so I think we should = retain it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -724,6 +703,36 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications proto=
cols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their=0D=

+handshake keys promptly.  Applications protocols that do not MAY send=0D=

+ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have inst=
alled=0D
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them=
,=0D
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-those send keys and until they receive an ack=
nowledgment for one of them,=0D
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment,=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -724,6 +703,36 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications proto=
cols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their=0D=

+handshake keys promptly.  Applications protocols that do not MAY send=0D=

+ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have inst=
alled=0D
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them=
,=0D
+ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys.=0D
=0D

Sending data is a prerequisite for getting an ACK, which is a selfish = thing. You send (ACK-eliciting) data so that you get an ACK and so that = you can discard handshake keys.

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So this statement is incorrect as formulated. Maybe instead:

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Endpoints that do not have reason to send immediately after completing= the handshake can send ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will ca= use the handshake to be confirmed when they are acknowledged.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> +will send data after the handshake, ensur=
ing the peer can discard their=0D
+handshake keys promptly.  Applications protocols that do not MAY send=0D=

+ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have inst=
alled=0D
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them=
,=0D
+ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
+they have no use after that moment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT=0D
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT key=
s as=0D
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, =
a=0D
+client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Serv=
ers MAY=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive afte=
r a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY=0D
+0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY=0D
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"client's" and "valid" are implied. Fix the a/an thing separately.=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> +those send keys and until they receive an=
 acknowledgment for one of them,=0D
+ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
+they have no use after that moment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT=0D
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT key=
s as=0D
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, =
a=0D
+client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Serv=
ers MAY=0D
+temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets with=
out=0D
+requiring their contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  There is =
a bound=0D
+on how long these keys can be temporarily retained: servers MUST have di=
scarded=0D
=0D

Drop the lead-in. "Servers MUST discard 0-RTT within three times the = Probe Timeout (...) of receiving a 1-RTT packet."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
+they have no use after that moment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT=0D
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT key=
s as=0D
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, =
a=0D
+client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Serv=
ers MAY=0D
+temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets with=
out=0D
+requiring their contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  There is =
a bound=0D
+on how long these keys can be temporarily retained: servers MUST have di=
scarded=0D
+0-RTT keys once three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}=
}) has=0D
+elapsed after receiving a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY also keep track of=0D=

+received 0-RTT packet numbers as an indication that all of them have bee=
n=0D
+received which allows them to discard 0-RTT keys earlier.=0D
=0D

It might be easier to say "A server can drop 0-RTT keys earlier if it = determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by t= racking packet numbers."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final T=
LS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable=0D
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able =
to=0D
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.=0D
 =0D
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected pa=
ckets=0D
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case tha=
t the=0D
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (s=
ee=0D
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the serv=
er with=0D
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protec=
ted with=0D
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the fir=
st=0D
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state =
of the=0D
+client:=0D
+=0D
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a=
=0D
=0D

Two open parentheses, one close in this point. I think that you can r= eplace the first with a comma.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final T=
LS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable=0D
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able =
to=0D
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.=0D
 =0D
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected pa=
ckets=0D
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case tha=
t the=0D
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (s=
ee=0D
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the serv=
er with=0D
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protec=
ted with=0D
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the fir=
st=0D
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state =
of the=0D
+client:=0D
+=0D
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a=
=0D
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see=
=0D
+Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]).=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]).=0D
+Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final T=
LS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable=0D
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able =
to=0D
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.=0D
 =0D
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected pa=
ckets=0D
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case tha=
t the=0D
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (s=
ee=0D
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the serv=
er with=0D
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protec=
ted with=0D
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the fir=
st=0D
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state =
of the=0D
+client:=0D
+=0D
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a=
=0D
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see=
=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-pre-shared key and validated the client's pre=
-shared key binder (see=0D
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying=
 these values provides the server with=0D
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protec=
ted with=0D
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the fir=
st=0D
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state =
of the=0D
+client:=0D
+=0D
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a=
=0D
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see=
=0D
+Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]).=0D
+- The client has not demonstrated liveness.=0D
+- Any received 0-RTT data that the server responds to might be due to a =
replay=0D
+attack.=0D
+=0D
+Therefore, the server's use of 1-RTT keys is limited before the hand=
shake is=0D
+complete.  A server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT=0D
+protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete.  Note that, sinc=
e=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-protected packets before the TLS handshake is=
 complete.  Note that, since=0D
+protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete.  Because=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previou=
s=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-key update until it has received an ACK for a=
 packet sent at the previous=0D
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at =
the current=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previou=
s=0D
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number=
 sent=0D
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknow=
ledged=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest =
value of the Largest Acknowledged=0D
+with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previou=
s=0D
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number=
 sent=0D
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknow=
ledged=0D
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than th=
e=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once t=
he latter is higher than the=0D
+packet for the packet number space: once the latter is higher than the=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previou=
s=0D
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number=
 sent=0D
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknow=
ledged=0D
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than th=
e=0D
+former, another key update can be initiated.=0D
+=0D
+Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection=
 keys=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Endpoints only need to maintain the two lates=
t sets of packet protection keys=0D
+Endpoints are required to maintain at most two latest sets of packet pro=
tection keys=0D
+for removing packet protection and one set of keys for protecting packet=
s.  Older=0D
+keys MAY be discarded.  Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previou=
s=0D
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+Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three time=
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+PTO after it has last updated keys. This avoids valid reordered packets =
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I'm of the opinion that varint is OK. We can crib text from other varint usages about IANA registries and such, so the change is cheap for the spec perspective.

The HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME thing would need a solution. I've never been a big fan of the concept, but anything would do (apart from the 2^60 thing, which would take 1/4 of the entire space for bad frames, which is excessive; I hope that's just an error).

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After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for previous encryption levels can be discarded. This occurs several times during the -handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}). Initial -packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}. This statement existed because previously there was an "all the keys except initial" section and an "initial keys" section. Now each flavor of keys has its own section so pointing out initial specifically here seems odd. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r281871264 ----==_mimepart_5cd21abb272d5_61bc3f8edfecd9689264d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -655,8 +662,7 @@ alerts at the "warning" level.
 
 After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for previous
 encryption levels can be discarded.  This occurs several times during the
-handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}).  Initial
-packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}.

This statement existed because previously there was an "all the keys except initial" section and an "initial keys" section. Now each flavor of keys has its own section so pointing out initial specifically here seems odd.

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Closes #2671. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2674 -- Commit Summary -- * Define abandonment -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2674.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2674.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2674 ----==_mimepart_5cd21c67e98e_381f3fd4aeecd96c928bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just in case it wasn't perfectly clear from the choice of words.

Closes #2671.

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Do we really need to define "abandon"?
And if so, don't we need to define what "discarding" means?

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I know how you feel. We'll be defining "the" eventually. I don't know where the line is, but I think that it helps in this case to be doubly explicit.

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----==_mimepart_5cd21e17aae2e_2fb13fc3f2acd96016552c-- From nobody Tue May 7 17:10:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A72E120073 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:10:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4PGHM8A8-gfo for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DED012006E for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 17:10:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557274202; bh=My6azdWnWwPFD0En38SHPVLahYkhQj1nSZIYGWXmHDw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J5AZdKhHt+s7nI73RCVCY2a5wyxczmBVt4BDRhdLYVZbeuc906HMmVatbgfe/sNBi 9FSlU6MQre4JYrK57ykDn8KwF82MxlB2P5GExVUK+KAXT8rI7APU4+Te9H/M6ubWZP aUJkzc19DZ867nmIlhKeb4yfO9hBJe5xe9Oa4GSA= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd21e5a26228_36983fe9bb2cd96080079"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 00:10:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd21e5a26228_36983fe9bb2cd96080079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged +field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the +former, another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys I'm not sure this is correct. An endpoint can maintain more than 2 sets of keys if it so chooses. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r281873881 ----==_mimepart_5cd21e5a26228_36983fe9bb2cd96080079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the
+former, another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys

I'm not sure this is correct. An endpoint can maintain more than 2 sets of keys if it so chooses.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint
+has received an ACK for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second condition

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,36 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols
+will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their
+handshake keys promptly.  Applications protocols that do not MAY send
+ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have installed
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them,

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,36 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols
+will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their
+handshake keys promptly.  Applications protocols that do not MAY send
+ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have installed
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them,
+ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +will send data after the handshake, ensuring the peer can discard their
+handshake keys promptly.  Applications protocols that do not MAY send
+ACK-eliciting frames encrypted with 1-RTT keys as soon as they have installed
+those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them,
+ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a
+client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +those send keys and until they receive an acknowledgment for one of them,
+ensuring the peer can discard their handshake keys.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a
+client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY
+temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without
+requiring their contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  There is a bound
+on how long these keys can be temporarily retained: servers MUST have discarded

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a
+client's valid 0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY
+temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without
+requiring their contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  There is a bound
+on how long these keys can be temporarily retained: servers MUST have discarded
+0-RTT keys once three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) has
+elapsed after receiving a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY also keep track of
+received 0-RTT packet numbers as an indication that all of them have been
+received which allows them to discard 0-RTT keys earlier.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:
+
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:
+
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see
+Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]).

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1098,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:
+
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:
+
+- The client is not authenticated (unless the server has chosen to use a
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder (see
+Section 4.2.11 of [TLS13]).
+- The client has not demonstrated liveness.
+- Any received 0-RTT data that the server responds to might be due to a replay
+attack.
+
+Therefore, the server's use of 1-RTT keys is limited before the handshake is
+complete.  A server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT
+protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete.  Note that, since

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the
+former, another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys
+and MAY discard older keys.  Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause
+packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly delayed.
+Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the
+PTO after it has last updated keys. This avoids valid reordered packets being
+dropped by the peer because the peer could have discarded older keys.

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Furthermore, I don't think it's relevant for the server here if the client actually discarded the connection state, as long as it doesn't any more packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2674#issuecomment-490300637 ----==_mimepart_5cd220b5648b5_3f6b3f995e2cd968112142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm wondering how one could possibly misinterpret "abandoning" here. Furthermore, I don't think it's relevant for the server here if the client actually discarded the connection state, as long as it doesn't any more packets.

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----==_mimepart_5cd22177c35e6_17293fc24a2cd96c53386-- From nobody Tue May 7 17:24:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DAB1200CD for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lVRdVQVsyiUN for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42A2D120073 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 17:24:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557275044; bh=QLr5S/ihLPMMmljSmT870zngw7WpwezLERnk/6rjkts=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=j5J0wUkQaeCvt1gAGP1j2IixhRaYbu+Y6W7rDgniu0bOAqeOm4EG4j4HNObKsxnf+ 14ujHBxknLlsraXdzmR0k2zy4zcb1XiZd4yW3u7k4PrswOiRTwC4fqnFDxnsZXyidt wUdoJQIHGCNYW+LjTgxdg1VqU0Ht8FWDxU9z6wFQ= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define abandonment (#2674) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd221a42f8c_60793f85822cd96c1357af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 00:24:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd221a42f8c_60793f85822cd96c1357af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think we need to spend a lot of energy here. I agree that this doesn't seem necessary, but I'm not going to fight it either. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2674#issuecomment-490301373 ----==_mimepart_5cd221a42f8c_60793f85822cd96c1357af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue May 7 17:26:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0E512013A for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AF9JtY_IcLQx for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B269120073 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 17:26:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557275163; bh=8hHuaQoIWqBSF/bg3gkj728TT2E2Pb1FVKwxjMo4PqU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p+bltdF79e5FzZbaNKCW2fUpJDrw2XgTQFYxV6eeU4URiJFxCkNyTxo9ZkL9TFXbv JpF+gzR3Mp1uQqLHNXy5NN0TTC/KXtr5p2S5UFq9M0vfw41gV8l9+u++KWJvGiBdD2 4+ILOPfqQZ0WnRHHnMFJTnTcL8mh8rTKU5us3xVc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd2221b1ab2c_1ed43fe7674cd964963fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 00:26:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd2221b1ab2c_1ed43fe7674cd964963fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous +KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent +with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged +field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the +former, another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys Ahh, my bad. 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----==_mimepart_5cd22454e016a_21853fdb164cd96c807a6-- From nobody Tue May 7 17:45:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F44612006E for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:45:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jydn-TKwuXNX for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00A1D120073 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 17:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 17:45:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557276304; bh=xx4gvfHINSBc3iVxO6dm8enahuKlHxMhyPT94t52G64=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DS0a+zEGS2Z/Xc0uVZeiHt83CwWDj0qJeAtfKForqseJJlpSntuOqISd3OIWfh4V8 E152QUoO04ypiiyY7un7RwmZHA7HpPPUAdtr3zWWFayFQZbIMjjyowZL85RHV8Q31R 6FQlBgJiBVjQgSUmrYlH18+ZWXJB9n3ZLFKFbU2g= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd22690b0ec1_7ac03fdb2b8cd96c89378"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 00:45:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd22690b0ec1_7ac03fdb2b8cd96c89378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A priority stream, in our current scheme, has some desireable properties because it aligns with the asymmetry, i.e. only client can create a priority stream. If anyone cared you could borrow QPACK encoder/decoder model so that the client has clear indication when priorities were processed. One could go as far as adopting that model further, 1) priority stream(s) contains unframed instructions 2) PRIORITY frame on request is just a shell that contains references to priority state. This opens a possibility to have alternative priority schemes based on opening different types of priority streams. It all sounds terribly complicated though :D -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-490304852 ----==_mimepart_5cd22690b0ec1_7ac03fdb2b8cd96c89378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A priority stream, in our current scheme, has some desireable properties because it aligns with the asymmetry, i.e. only client can create a priority stream. If anyone cared you could borrow QPACK encoder/decoder model so that the client has clear indication when priorities were processed. One could go as far as adopting that model further,

  1. priority stream(s) contains unframed instructions
  2. PRIORITY frame on request is just a shell that contains references to priority state.

This opens a possibility to have alternative priority schemes based on opening different types of priority streams.

It all sounds terribly complicated though :D

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Not really complicated. Possibly less complicated, especially if you consider that dropping the priority stream could be permitted if it were separated from SETTINGS. And SETTINGS could get its own stream too :)

I wouldn't go so far as to say unframed priority signals, but the possibility to dispense with framing is appealing to some extent. Complicated comes when you have a marked in a stream saying what priority state you are depending on. That wouldn't necessarily be a blocking signal in the same way that QPACK is, but it certainly drives complexity upward slightly.

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Section 8.4 ``` To ensure that packets can be both sent to and received from the peer, the PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent on the same path as the triggering PATH_CHALLENGE. That is, from the same local address on which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received, to the same remote address from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2637#issuecomment-490308768 ----==_mimepart_5cd22bf595eaf_716f3ff5af0cd96c1086e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

One other section, can we leave this as-is?
Section 8.4

To ensure that packets can be both sent to and received from the peer, the 
PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent on the same path as the triggering 
PATH_CHALLENGE. That is, from the same local address on which
 the PATH_CHALLENGE was received, to the same remote address 
from which the PATH_CHALLENGE was received.

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Not really complicated. Possibly less complicated, especially if you consider that dropping the priority stream could be permitted if it were separated from SETTINGS. And SETTINGS could get its own stream too :)

tangential thought: why bother with a stream for a one-time-shot frame. Right now H3 has a weirdness around the H3 connection not being "initialized" until SETTINGS have been sent. It might be more suitable to have a transport-level frame (within the packet protection boundary) that can carry application-defined handshake messages.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -836,9 +836,11 @@ in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
 ## Under-utilizing the Congestion Window
 
-A congestion window that is under-utilized SHOULD NOT be increased in either
-slow start or congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient
-application data or flow control credit.
+When bytes in flight is smaller than the congestion window and sending is not
+pacing limited, the congestion window is under-utilized.  When this occurs,

Where does the pacing limitation come from?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -836,9 +836,11 @@ in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
 ## Under-utilizing the Congestion Window
 
-A congestion window that is under-utilized SHOULD NOT be increased in either
-slow start or congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient
-application data or flow control credit.
+When bytes in flight is smaller than the congestion window and sending is not
+pacing limited, the congestion window is under-utilized.  When this occurs,

There are congestion controllers now, and hopefully more in the future, that operate primarily pacing limited, not CWND limited, so this was an effort to capture that, but it's certainly imperfect. Any suggestions?

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Before I merge this, @mnot, @larseggert might want to check that I'm not making technical changes. (There is new 2119 language, but my view is that this is converting from implied to express, but I want to give a chance to run a consensus call if you think that's appropriate.)

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I don't think simple buffering is sufficient. You would have to not only buffer the frame that updates the priority of a not-yet-created stream, but also frames that create dependencies on that stream, and frames that create dependencies on streams that would be under that tree if you weren't already buffering the frames that create the tree. That can be done, but it's not straightforward.

I second @dtikhonov's view that the current mechanism is simple enough.

What you need to do (i.e. what I do) is create a priority node (with a given ID) when receiving a PRIORITY frame that first refers to that ID. When receiving a request stream is opened, the server looks if a priority node already exists. If it does, that is used.

The node also has a implicitly_initialized flag, that indicates if a PRIORITY frame received on a request stream should be respected. The flag is set when a priority is received for the first time for the given node, but not when a node is created due to being referred to by PRIORITY.element_dependency.

If we are to discuss alternative designs, I'd argue that providing the server the priority information at the moment it receives a request should be a requirement (at least for the Firefox-style dependency tree, which I think we agree as the optimal design). Otherwise, we'd be risking H3 performance becoming inferior to H2 due to increased chance of mis-prioritization.

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Quicly is using an even higher value of 10 because they don't care about more than millisecond timer resolution. The default value is not 8, it's 3. So what quicly makes a pretty big difference here: They're using a multiplier of 1024 instead of 8. As I've already remarked on Slack, if we want to allow implementations to scale this value, it seems to make more sense to specify a multiplier instead of an exponent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-490333921 ----==_mimepart_5cd24de75f53e_7d683f9e73acd96492469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Right now, it seems all but one implementation (quicly) is using the default ack_delay_exponent value of 8. Quicly is using an even higher value of 10 because they don't care about more than millisecond timer resolution.

The default value is not 8, it's 3. So what quicly makes a pretty big difference here: They're using a multiplier of 1024 instead of 8.

As I've already remarked on Slack, if we want to allow implementations to scale this value, it seems to make more sense to specify a multiplier instead of an exponent.

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----==_mimepart_5cd24de75f53e_7d683f9e73acd96492469-- From nobody Tue May 7 20:51:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9F0120052 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 20:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 654Yoxl5uZP5 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 20:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD43E120006 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 20:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 20:51:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557287501; bh=qaJA0w3dq2uZH5NxZN5HCNO+x8sPl8UhElVko4/jUXg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mSM5TSt1oPytEd7izu4T8+XbJatyO8A5grNFPrWG9ROYoeuCc4yst/KaWFYC1Q0GE piZzXPI1VGyk83xblKI+toZnpMMYyvaOsDjzpMRtoG5dDEehM2vKST1soXvCX4Sr4p Crzuu+cypp2V/mAKuUBYpawhhvAvGKY7kKYd9bPQ= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clients cannot abandon Initial packets while server can still send initial close (#2541) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd2524d7ae9e_4443f9dc9ecd96013585a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 03:51:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd2524d7ae9e_4443f9dc9ecd96013585a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note the trade-off there: once the handshake is established, the peers have a secure channel modulo possible MITM. Critical messages like connection close really ought to be sent on the secure channel. The client that accepts connection close on the Initial channel opens itself to the equivalent of a spoofed TCP RST. Secure implementations must be allowed to ignore all Initial packets once handshake is established. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2541#issuecomment-490336977 ----==_mimepart_5cd2524d7ae9e_4443f9dc9ecd96013585a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Note the trade-off there: once the handshake is established, the peers have a secure channel modulo possible MITM. Critical messages like connection close really ought to be sent on the secure channel. The client that accepts connection close on the Initial channel opens itself to the equivalent of a spoofed TCP RST. Secure implementations must be allowed to ignore all Initial packets once handshake is established.

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----==_mimepart_5cd2524d7ae9e_4443f9dc9ecd96013585a-- From nobody Tue May 7 21:02:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595D1120052 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 21:02:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dijM8FVAQNYd for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 21:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48CD8120006 for ; Tue, 7 May 2019 21:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 May 2019 21:02:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557288161; bh=Pua39qEqdOYVlQCc8zsHBV2msdcxRlM3h+cjCIzKTQ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LmJj6Hrs3LJ+EfRBvnJz1N1PBNRh60QtF5jJTphWXH88a6iPlhjTh4e51XKdHv+75 bYtubVlOqPEhN7CpRiD52jJPJCql9rv+FP3DQSqRIfkjXZAn8nO3VbUDe6jjDWUhjc UxwV8HoSHMY7lkkyoJfXrIl9SRzpLkBb6k0fpU7k= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handling of coalesced packets with decryption errors creates DoS opportunity (#2308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd254e1e10dc_40473fcb8d8cd960379927"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 04:02:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd254e1e10dc_40473fcb8d8cd960379927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a bit worried when I hear suggestions of disabling coalescing with different encryption level. Initial(CH) + 0RTT is fairly common, and useful. So is Initial(SH) + handshake, Initial(ACK) + Handshake(ACK), or Handshake(Finished) + 1RTT. Yes, I can see attacks with "Christmas tree" packets containing too many coalesced segments. But mitigation is obvious -- implementations are free to drop packets for whatever reason. In the rare cases of false positive, when the funny coalesced packet is not in fact an attack, the peer will just resend after at time out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2308#issuecomment-490338752 ----==_mimepart_5cd254e1e10dc_40473fcb8d8cd960379927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am a bit worried when I hear suggestions of disabling coalescing with different encryption level. Initial(CH) + 0RTT is fairly common, and useful. So is Initial(SH) + handshake, Initial(ACK) + Handshake(ACK), or Handshake(Finished) + 1RTT. Yes, I can see attacks with "Christmas tree" packets containing too many coalesced segments. But mitigation is obvious -- implementations are free to drop packets for whatever reason. In the rare cases of false positive, when the funny coalesced packet is not in fact an attack, the peer will just resend after at time out.

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I think the only verifiable requirement is "must not ack 1RTT packet in 0RTT packet". The server can definitely detect that, and send a connection close with reason PROTOCOL VIOLATION when it happens. This would effectively force the client to switch to 1RTT soon.

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Those sorts of conversions have surprised people before, and #2471 is design anyway, so let's do run that consensus call. If it's ready to go, add has-proposal and we'll run it up the virtual flagpole.

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  • ignore the ack delay in Initial and Handshake packets

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Seems reasonable to me. Throughout here, should we be using "peer" or "receiver"? (The suggestions I make here are not issues with this change, but I'm sure that @ianswett or @janaiyengar will find them a home.) > @@ -387,18 +387,21 @@ smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT samples, and rttvar is the endpoint's estimated variance in the RTT samples. smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples for peer-reported ```suggestion The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples for``` > @@ -387,18 +387,21 @@ smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT samples, and rttvar is the endpoint's estimated variance in the RTT samples. smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples for peer-reported -host delays ({{host-delay}}). A peer limits any delay in sending an -acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the advertised -max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when a peer reports an Ack -Delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, the delay is attributed to reasons -out of the peer's control, such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of -previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore -considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt -estimate. +host delays ({{host-delay}}). For packets sent in the ApplicationData packet +number space, a peer limits any delay in sending an acknowledgement for an +ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the advertised max_ack_delay transport ```suggestion ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the value it advertises in the max_ack_delay transport ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

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Seems reasonable to me.

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Throughout here, should we be using "peer" or "receiver"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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onentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT=0D
 samples, and rttvar is the endpoint's estimated variance in the RTT sa=
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-host delays ({{host-delay}}).  A peer limits any delay in sending an=0D
-acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the adverti=
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-max_ack_delay transport parameter.  Consequently, when a peer reports an A=
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+host delays ({{host-delay}}).  For packets sent in the ApplicationData pac=
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+ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the value it advertises in the max=
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@martinthomson I'm personally fine with that, assuming that we are allowed to close alternative proposals when the person that opened the PR prefers something other that has not yet gained consensus.

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In the rare cases of false positive, when the funny coalesced packet is not in fact an attack, the peer will just resend after at time out.

What if it resends to the same "Christmas tree", for example for probing to get source CID?

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Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the +following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint +has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. This second +condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with +1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any +received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the former, the +handshake is confirmed. + Why is this not "Once the largest acknowledged is higher than or **equal** to the smallest 1-RTT packet number sent? > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most applications protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + Why not make this a MUST, or at least SHOULD, such that a hanshake timeout can close much earlier than Idle timeout? > +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT +packet ({{using-early-data}}). Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as +soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet. However, due to packet reordering, a +0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY temporarily retain +0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without requiring their +contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys. Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys +within three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after +receiving a 1-RTT packet. A server MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it +determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by +keeping track of packet numbers. + This is a bit hard to understand if you are not aware that 1-RTT and 0-RTT have the same packet number space, so perhaps make a note of that. > 1-RTT keys MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake is complete. +The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message creates +a dependency on that message being delivered. A client can avoid the +potential for head-of-line blocking that this implies by sending its 1-RTT +packets coalesced with a handshake packet containing a copy of the CRYPTO frame +that carries the Finished message, until one of the handshake packets is +acknowledged. This enables immediate server processing for those packets. + This text is a bit overlapping with previous section recommending sending a PING frame. > @@ -1116,9 +1146,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than the former, another key +update can be initiated. + why not higher than or **equal**? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#pullrequestreview-234899612 ----==_mimepart_5cd286dcc4102_63673fe9ea0cd9601071db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second
+condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with
+1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any
+received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the former, the
+handshake is confirmed.
+

Why is this not "Once the largest acknowledged is higher than or equal to the smallest 1-RTT packet number sent?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+

Why not make this a MUST, or at least SHOULD, such that a hanshake timeout can close much earlier than Idle timeout?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a
+0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain
+0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without requiring their
+contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys
+within three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after
+receiving a 1-RTT packet.  A server MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it
+determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by
+keeping track of packet numbers.
+

This is a bit hard to understand if you are not aware that 1-RTT and 0-RTT have the same packet number space, so perhaps make a note of that.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  1-RTT keys MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake is
 complete.
 
+The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message creates
+a dependency on that message being delivered.  A client can avoid the
+potential for head-of-line blocking that this implies by sending its 1-RTT
+packets coalesced with a handshake packet containing a copy of the CRYPTO frame
+that carries the Finished message, until one of the handshake packets is
+acknowledged.  This enables immediate server processing for those packets.
+

This text is a bit overlapping with previous section recommending sending a PING frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1146,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than the former, another key
+update can be initiated.
+

why not higher than or equal?

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After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for previous encryption levels can be discarded. This occurs several times during the -handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}). Initial -packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}. I see. That being the case, it might pay to reference all of the relevant sections here. The statement here doesn't really reference the text that it depends on, except for key update. > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most applications protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + There's no real reason to discard those keys, so it's enough to rely on other incentives. > 1-RTT keys MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake is complete. +The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message creates +a dependency on that message being delivered. A client can avoid the +potential for head-of-line blocking that this implies by sending its 1-RTT +packets coalesced with a handshake packet containing a copy of the CRYPTO frame +that carries the Finished message, until one of the handshake packets is +acknowledged. This enables immediate server processing for those packets. + The other suggests PING (or ack-eliciting) to induce an ACK. This is about sending Handshake packets multiple times in order to ensure that they get through in a timely fashion. So these aren't really the same. > @@ -1116,9 +1146,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than the former, another key +update can be initiated. + Yes, it should allow equal. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r282004124 ----==_mimepart_5cd2ad48b76ac_1b743f9c652cd96812702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -655,8 +662,7 @@ alerts at the "warning" level.
 
 After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for previous
 encryption levels can be discarded.  This occurs several times during the
-handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}).  Initial
-packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}.

I see. That being the case, it might pay to reference all of the relevant sections here. The statement here doesn't really reference the text that it depends on, except for key update.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+

There's no real reason to discard those keys, so it's enough to rely on other incentives.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  1-RTT keys MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake is
 complete.
 
+The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message creates
+a dependency on that message being delivered.  A client can avoid the
+potential for head-of-line blocking that this implies by sending its 1-RTT
+packets coalesced with a handshake packet containing a copy of the CRYPTO frame
+that carries the Finished message, until one of the handshake packets is
+acknowledged.  This enables immediate server processing for those packets.
+

The other suggests PING (or ack-eliciting) to induce an ACK. This is about sending Handshake packets multiple times in order to ensure that they get through in a timely fashion. So these aren't really the same.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1146,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than the former, another key
+update can be initiated.
+

Yes, it should allow equal.

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So, there is the byzantine generals problem (messengers get shot, so you never really know until you do), but relying on ACK for handshake complete could lead to long delays if the ACK packet is lost. For crypto there is an aggressive retransmission timer, but I'm not sure that applies to the handshake complete transition.

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An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most applications protocols ```suggestion keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols ``` > +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most applications protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT nit: should "do not" be "MUST NOT" to mirror the text below which reads, "Once a client has installed 1-RTT keys, it MUST NOT send any more 0-RTT packets."? > @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: ```suggestion ``` > @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the ```suggestion handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the client state: ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5cd2e481cd21a_53cd3fa34aacd960270048-- From nobody Wed May 8 07:26:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D39A12010C for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kAmfX8aQla6F for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADADB1202F0 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 07:25:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557325549; bh=0551xvTMDw73Xlzbk6oFJ/CWXhWdKp5XE/YLNtbipUg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QhXK/We8ELwSvVczM5DA8Q6eJYtLtKEq4VGv5KXn4L5mHGiwzOkXtT88mTIRKkc0j jHMtid1uD36AI8tF1+h5FgOUUt46yRD6wyUsxC2bAr+VL+W1GKKfA2sWo7DIeMINoj X2ow/pTEyJGHKCJ2mGXvVP8ctI/1tzvvF5VCgP+Q= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd2e6ed9106c_5a753fe37f0cd96819912b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 14:26:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd2e6ed9106c_5a753fe37f0cd96819912b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann You're right. I was mixing up 3 and 2^3 (8). So, right now the default suggests an 8 microsecond ack_delay accuracy and quicly is using a ~1 millisecond ack_delay accuracy. The more I think about it, the higher value might well be the better one. The goal of this issue was to see if we could actually all just agree on a single scaling (or multiplier) value. To me, configurability is only useful if we have good reason for different values. As I understand it, changing this value just affects the accuracy of the ack_delay field in the ACK frame. This in turns, effects the accuracy of the network RTT calculation for the largest acknowledged packet in the ACK frame. My question is what truely is the difference between being able to measure the RTT with sub-millisecond accuracy (even in intra-DC) if the timers aren't that accurate? The primary point of measuring RTT is to have it factor into loss recovery timers. Additionally, since the endpoint setting the timer is the one with the actual restriction on timer accuracy, it seems to be, if this value was to be configurable, it should be the receiver of the ACK frame to dictate how accurate the ack_delay needs to be; not the sender. It just feels like this is really over complicating things. If folks really feel like this field needs to be configurable, I'd like to understand why, so that I might make the same optimizations/choices in winquic. I personally think the argument of "it's not that much more complex to keep it" isn't a great one. IMO, any additional complexity for no explicit reason is bad complexity. These things add up pretty fast. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-490507144 ----==_mimepart_5cd2e6ed9106c_5a753fe37f0cd96819912b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann You're right. I was mixing up 3 and 2^3 (8). So, right now the default suggests an 8 microsecond ack_delay accuracy and quicly is using a ~1 millisecond ack_delay accuracy. The more I think about it, the higher value might well be the better one.

The goal of this issue was to see if we could actually all just agree on a single scaling (or multiplier) value. To me, configurability is only useful if we have good reason for different values.

As I understand it, changing this value just affects the accuracy of the ack_delay field in the ACK frame. This in turns, effects the accuracy of the network RTT calculation for the largest acknowledged packet in the ACK frame. My question is what truely is the difference between being able to measure the RTT with sub-millisecond accuracy (even in intra-DC) if the timers aren't that accurate? The primary point of measuring RTT is to have it factor into loss recovery timers.

Additionally, since the endpoint setting the timer is the one with the actual restriction on timer accuracy, it seems to be, if this value was to be configurable, it should be the receiver of the ACK frame to dictate how accurate the ack_delay needs to be; not the sender.

It just feels like this is really over complicating things. If folks really feel like this field needs to be configurable, I'd like to understand why, so that I might make the same optimizations/choices in winquic.

I personally think the argument of "it's not that much more complex to keep it" isn't a great one. IMO, any additional complexity for no explicit reason is bad complexity. These things add up pretty fast.

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Clock accuracies vary a lot by environment(ie: ours are better than 1ms, but not as good as being in the Linux kernel) as do RTTs, so I would expect a datacenter to set this to 0 or 1 and user facing traffic to pick the default of 3 or a higher value.

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Sure, I understand that. Being able to query an accurate time is one thing; scheduling a timer that accurate is another. On Windows you can query microsecond time, but only configure to a 1 ms timer accuracy at best (depending on configuration and scheduler). But is that reason to have 1 microsecond ack_delay accuracy?

Also, like I pointed out above, the accuracy is dependent on your peer. They don't necessarily know your timer or clock accuracy.

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I don't think this issue warrants changing the protocol specification. You may want to document the potential attack in the security section, and suggest mitigations. But IMHO this is one of the many ways in which a client can be nasty with a server, and vice versa. There are many other examples, such as acking packets one by one, sending multiple 1 byte stream frames, randomly alternating between multiple streams, etc. The generic pattern is to find some operation that is expensive for a particular server implementation, and then abuse it. You can't possibly document all the ways of doing that.

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IMO the trigger is the peer's behaviour, and the reaction by the recipient is to send a STOP_SENDING in response. I.e. we don't state the reaction is to force the remote peer to send a STOP_SENDING

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----==_mimepart_5cd2ecffcf52f_59f53f87f18cd96828725a-- From nobody Wed May 8 07:54:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7371202BF for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NMRhsBZs9n8x for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDF1A12013D for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:54:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=M6Vyv6KsaxRzUA13CqiaHBkJWFg=; b=h4sgERVS2D0MMPcD CabIS7P7soH1X9KPS8E9v1hOs9gjdMG9qdrKoJ6zvks5v25Jwu1pH5xEBGBKqPI8 0OULwy17S/+6PupRZ8YiBH4vDaTDxfsqP1x9AutQG4HYxLsYX9VH2Gk/eOfC9xs7 aFbrEiIH2SLNpyZni4eINz7e7hw= Received: by filter0059p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0059p1iad2-14147-5CD2ED94-35 2019-05-08 14:54:12.935701539 +0000 UTC m=+1099671.229532246 Received: from github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.66]) by ismtpd0044p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7gp6FgdgRoSQ6eFV62BNVg for ; Wed, 08 May 2019 14:54:12.835 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-1c220e1.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EA7160BBA for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 14:54:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Trigger unhappy (#2677) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd2ed94a4357_3dda3fb70b6cd96c27703c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3y2P3n7mhHglHuU6GUPx+i5Jw+IrVQbvw/Qy udJYUsIaGg9NKwz0npCOWnRfvgQDwAhknsAnrFzeTceWw4/vzhyvg+Om430ICSJkXSQcQRIekFvHob sQnzkBItIWQojJYsk34Hx1ZxhnzxkPZMIdNaESiEfHdK4jcK0jfsfldSV4v1Pz2bV2rhYHganlf7n7 k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 14:54:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd2ed94a4357_3dda3fb70b6cd96c27703c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2677#pullrequestreview-235106522 ----==_mimepart_5cd2ed94a4357_3dda3fb70b6cd96c27703c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The idea is if you schedule a timer for 1ms, but it goes off at 1357us, you can indicate the actual delay instead of the intended delay.

So the peer shouldn't need to know your timer accuracy, but ideally your clock accuracy is fairly good.

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Sorry if I was unclear. I wasn't referring to computing how long you actually delayed. I was referring to calculating the time you set for your PTO timer. That's effectively where the adjusted rtt measurement comes into play, right? Does it really matter if the rtt is 53.112 ms or just 53.1 ms or 53 ms, when you set the PTO timer, if your timer doesn't have that accuracy?

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My point was that it is hard to define what is a valid abuse filter without risking not being able to connect with client which sends well intended but ill conceived "Christmass tree" packets. While you can always get into trouble, I think there are some difficulties here.

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To be clear, I'm not advocating for a more complicated scheme than what we have now -- I think that your implementation sounds very reasonable. The issue as filed, however, describes that implementing that way creates (hopefully brief) misprioritizations before consistency is achieved: when something has implicitly_initialized set, what priority is given to it, or more relevantly, to its children? I'm arguing that solving these misprioritizations is more complex than suggested.

I think our choices are:

  • Live with the misprioritizations -- what we have is fine
  • Block processing of priority instructions entirely when an uncreated stream is encountered as a dependency -- better to delay updates than get things wrong
  • Totally replace the priority scheme before RFC

I continue to believe the latter is probably out of both scope and time for this working group, unless HTTPbis directs us otherwise.

The discussion of moving to more unidirectional stream types is largely orthogonal to this choice; I'm going to suggest we take it to a separate issue and decide that independently.

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----==_mimepart_5cd2fd09767d8_72be3fce572cd96c125685-- From nobody Wed May 8 09:15:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7DA120271 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GR0G9FulzzUX for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BB6C120161 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 09:14:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557332085; bh=YD9WHH/hozDZwNXz7lKWpg15mkNZQwy8q8Z0sWM2mKg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MLoMJ7OzMH3jwh27yKcmomKrgX2cODqScePSloehoz6rJyZkHVcABrzF7Z+n0R/+5 3zdS8BGpTLRDb0AG/B7mPZHQVswSZGx/0cO91rxuYV40IVVxX2Ue4XxlpX890SotHK 9LE0QL2UtLua5Uyi325WyZDLlvNHgEh4Ah+qwPXE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional stream all the control things in HTTP/3 (#2678) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd30075de331_492f3fd8cb0cd96822878b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 16:15:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd30075de331_492f3fd8cb0cd96822878b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Separating out discussion from #2502: @martinthomson: > That suggests the creation of a "priority" stream... @LPardue: > A priority stream, in our current scheme, has some desireable properties because it aligns with the asymmetry, i.e. only client can create a priority stream. If anyone cared you could borrow QPACK encoder/decoder model so that the client has clear indication when priorities were processed. One could go as far as adopting that model further, > > 1. priority stream(s) contains unframed instructions > 2. PRIORITY frame on request is just a shell that contains references to priority state. > > This opens a possibility to have alternative priority schemes based on opening different types of priority streams. > > It all sounds terribly complicated though :D @martinthomson: > Not really complicated. Possibly less complicated, especially if you consider that dropping the priority stream could be permitted if it were separated from SETTINGS. And SETTINGS could get its own stream too :) > > I wouldn't go so far as to say unframed priority signals, but the possibility to dispense with framing is appealing to some extent. Complicated comes when you have a marked in a stream saying what priority state you are depending on. That wouldn't necessarily be a blocking signal in the same way that QPACK is, but it certainly drives complexity upward slightly. More generally, the control stream provides stronger ordering guarantees than are needed, and produces head-of-line blocking if a frame can't be immediately consumed for some reason (a possibility being discussed in #2502). We have a small set of frames which are sent on the control stream: - SETTINGS (sent only once) - PRIORITY (ordering requirements only with respect to each other) - CANCEL_PUSH (no ordering requirements) - GOAWAY (currently ordering requirements only with respect to each other; could be unordered without loss of information) - MAX_PUSH_ID (currently ordering requirements only with respect to each other; could be unordered without loss of information) Some of these might be reasonable candidates for unidirectional streams of possibly-unframed instructions, similar to QPACK. If enough things fall into this category, we could potentially eliminate the control stream. While this has implications for extensions being ported to HTTP/3, saying that what was a new frame type on the control stream becomes a new unidirectional stream type with length-prefixed payloads of known type isn't as big a leap as it might initially seem. Note that this would make #2559 even more of a problem. What do you do without enough unidirectional stream ID space to send your GOAWAY, for example? I don't necessarily advocate this change, given how late we are in the process, but I'd rather have it as a separate issue for discussion than get it intertwined with the discussion on #2502. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2678 ----==_mimepart_5cd30075de331_492f3fd8cb0cd96822878b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Separating out discussion from #2502:

@martinthomson:

That suggests the creation of a "priority" stream...

@LPardue:

A priority stream, in our current scheme, has some desireable properties because it aligns with the asymmetry, i.e. only client can create a priority stream. If anyone cared you could borrow QPACK encoder/decoder model so that the client has clear indication when priorities were processed. One could go as far as adopting that model further,

  1. priority stream(s) contains unframed instructions
  2. PRIORITY frame on request is just a shell that contains references to priority state.

This opens a possibility to have alternative priority schemes based on opening different types of priority streams.

It all sounds terribly complicated though :D

@martinthomson:

Not really complicated. Possibly less complicated, especially if you consider that dropping the priority stream could be permitted if it were separated from SETTINGS. And SETTINGS could get its own stream too :)

I wouldn't go so far as to say unframed priority signals, but the possibility to dispense with framing is appealing to some extent. Complicated comes when you have a marked in a stream saying what priority state you are depending on. That wouldn't necessarily be a blocking signal in the same way that QPACK is, but it certainly drives complexity upward slightly.

More generally, the control stream provides stronger ordering guarantees than are needed, and produces head-of-line blocking if a frame can't be immediately consumed for some reason (a possibility being discussed in #2502).

We have a small set of frames which are sent on the control stream:

  • SETTINGS (sent only once)
  • PRIORITY (ordering requirements only with respect to each other)
  • CANCEL_PUSH (no ordering requirements)
  • GOAWAY (currently ordering requirements only with respect to each other; could be unordered without loss of information)
  • MAX_PUSH_ID (currently ordering requirements only with respect to each other; could be unordered without loss of information)

Some of these might be reasonable candidates for unidirectional streams of possibly-unframed instructions, similar to QPACK. If enough things fall into this category, we could potentially eliminate the control stream. While this has implications for extensions being ported to HTTP/3, saying that what was a new frame type on the control stream becomes a new unidirectional stream type with length-prefixed payloads of known type isn't as big a leap as it might initially seem.

Note that this would make #2559 even more of a problem. What do you do without enough unidirectional stream ID space to send your GOAWAY, for example?

I don't necessarily advocate this change, given how late we are in the process, but I'd rather have it as a separate issue for discussion than get it intertwined with the discussion on #2502.

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Also note that this is not really normative -- we're recommending an implementation option, and we could recommend both as options to be considered.

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Lest we forget #2418 which discusses the MAX_PUSH_ID stream idea.

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Note that this would make #2559 even more of a problem. What do you do without enough unidirectional stream ID space to send your GOAWAY, for example?

One mitigation is to get more explicit with how these "very important" streams are made. I.e. for the standard profile of QUIC we state that there is an absolute minimum number of streams and, more importantly, the peer's create them in a standard and deterministic way.

This backtracks a little, to how things were before unidirectional stream type, but it still allows extension streams to be deployed in a less coordinated way.

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@huitema, exceeding the initial flow control / max streams from the remembered TP's is also detectable.

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The reason for this language is because an HTTP implementation cannot send a QUIC frame -- it can merely ask/tell the transport implementation to do so. Feel free to suggest alternative verbs, but we have "trigger" because "send" already got nixed.

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----==_mimepart_5cd306d5c03f3_61bc3fdbdeecd96c3891c9-- From nobody Wed May 8 10:47:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17F6120178 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P36_-Jwrj0AM for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1721F1200FC for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 10:47:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557337627; bh=J2kmNA06sWInJ1B92olgR26V0fUrLyXxJFC+56uh0eI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=U6JICTvSjJjUekxGng89F0qeUQlfHXXU+MG8XN3AKspAa7dn8jQsnBeXjmXDlcs1Q ArccO7ybrkZMxxwcglKebs8jf3fq+kYOtNZyLS+zjU+PxfI4Ph+ohdxJxutuRwNdle /2GSwMA1YhH2aPRE4nTy3qmwvcwVly/T52rycJn8= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Trigger unhappy (#2677) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3161bbd9d_724a3fdf5b8cd960207684"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 17:47:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3161bbd9d_724a3fdf5b8cd960207684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The reason for this language is because an HTTP implementation cannot send a QUIC frame This rule is not applied universally in the document, probably because I didn't know about it :) Examples: * > If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD send a QUIC RESET_STREAM * > When a client sends a STOP_SENDING with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED, a server MAY send the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED in the corresponding RESET_STREAM if no processing was performed. * > an HTTP/3 client SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport parameters "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local". An HTTP/3 server SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport parameters "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote" and "initial_max_bidi_streams". Suggestion welcome on how to address this consistently. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2677#issuecomment-490583673 ----==_mimepart_5cd3161bbd9d_724a3fdf5b8cd960207684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The reason for this language is because an HTTP implementation cannot send a QUIC frame

This rule is not applied universally in the document, probably because I didn't know about it :)

Examples:

  • If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD send a QUIC RESET_STREAM

  • When a client sends a STOP_SENDING with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED, a
    server MAY send the error code HTTP_REQUEST_REJECTED in the
    corresponding RESET_STREAM if no processing was performed.

  • an HTTP/3 client SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport
    parameters "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local". An HTTP/3 server
    SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport parameters
    "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote" and "initial_max_bidi_streams".

Suggestion welcome on how to address this consistently.

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Well, of those three, I was the last person to touch two of them and @martinthomson the other. So not just you -- I can be sloppy all on my own. Thanks for finding them!

The language used elsewhere for sending a STOP_SENDING or RESET_STREAM is "aborting the stream," an action that the HTTP implementation would take on the transport API. That covers two of them; for the settings, we could say that the HTTP implementation "provides" or "sets" values for them.

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@MikeBishop detection with flow control would require special case code in stream processing, as in "check against the current window but if 0-RTT check against the initial window". Could be done, but that would be another wart. Also, in many cases the 0-RTT data sent is well below the initial flow control window, so it will not be a very efficient test.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -655,8 +662,7 @@ alerts at the "warning" level.
 
 After QUIC moves to a new encryption level, packet protection keys for previous
 encryption levels can be discarded.  This occurs several times during the
-handshake, as well as when keys are updated (see {{key-update}}).  Initial
-packet protection keys are treated specially, see {{discard-initial}}.

This text is in section 4.9, and the relevant sections are 4.9.1, 4.9.2 and 4.9.3 so the reader can see them coming over the horizon. Or do you mean other sections?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the
+former, another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1147,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an ACK for a packet sent at the previous
+KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent
+with the previous KEY_PHASE, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged
+field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the
+former, another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints only need to maintain the two latest sets of packet protection keys
+and MAY discard older keys.  Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second
+condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with
+1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any
+received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the former, the
+handshake is confirmed.
+

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+

I agree with @martinthomson, discarding handshake keys is not a security requirement. And in practice if an application protocol never sends ACK-soliciting frames it's probably not very useful...

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a
+0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain
+0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without requiring their
+contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys
+within three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after
+receiving a 1-RTT packet.  A server MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it
+determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by
+keeping track of packet numbers.
+

Good point, added that.

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----==_mimepart_5cd344b723784_7cb63f98838cd95c186839-- From nobody Wed May 8 14:06:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3129120111 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 14:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPc1k-bB1rVP for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3885F1200EC for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 14:06:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557349612; bh=2wfViVQRvm/WflQ3PJqJP3tdk36/em4YrZzgrgxRZUo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M42xRdJLJVscyV6gCtsXExj+Ra3iM+J47KHmITx+c6QWHVLEikz4KNcFWrXGfxBIF PZyW6tFpSHZInVnDt59ESuulEvLBD2Gi0o29OAkmegywXA+Aq5vv8Z/HVdU2sJpBqC HQ8VGa77EvQEbuTZHYoxqaUASMyZd73QdBhb+Ci0= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd344ec16fce_14e43fb1048cd9681612a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 21:06:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd344ec16fce_14e43fb1048cd9681612a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > 1-RTT keys MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake is complete. +The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message creates +a dependency on that message being delivered. A client can avoid the +potential for head-of-line blocking that this implies by sending its 1-RTT +packets coalesced with a handshake packet containing a copy of the CRYPTO frame +that carries the Finished message, until one of the handshake packets is +acknowledged. This enables immediate server processing for those packets. + Agree with @martinthomson, this is about leveraging coalesced packets to avoid head of line blocking, not about trying to elicit ACKs at 1-RTT -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r282249840 ----==_mimepart_5cd344ec16fce_14e43fb1048cd9681612a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  1-RTT keys MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake is
 complete.
 
+The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message creates
+a dependency on that message being delivered.  A client can avoid the
+potential for head-of-line blocking that this implies by sending its 1-RTT
+packets coalesced with a handshake packet containing a copy of the CRYPTO frame
+that carries the Finished message, until one of the handshake packets is
+acknowledged.  This enables immediate server processing for those packets.
+

Agree with @martinthomson, this is about leveraging coalesced packets to avoid head of line blocking, not about trying to elicit ACKs at 1-RTT

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1146,20 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than the former, another key
+update can be initiated.
+

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So, there is the byzantine generals problem

@mikkelfj these ACKs uses the next level of keys, and that's the property that solves the two-general problem. The signal comes out of band so we don't need to rely on a given level reaching consensus

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most applications protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT

The idea here was to state a fact, with a reference to the normative text. I thought that was preferable to repeating the normative text.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:

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Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the +following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint +has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. This second +condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with +1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any +received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the former, the +handshake is confirmed. + Also I believe we've been using "greater than" instead of "higher than" when talking about numbers. > +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT +packet ({{using-early-data}}). Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as +soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet. However, due to packet reordering, a +0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY temporarily retain +0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without requiring their +contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys. Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys +within three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after +receiving a 1-RTT packet. A server MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it +determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by +keeping track of packet numbers. + Maybe be even more explicit and say how? "...if it has received all packets with packet numbers less than the packet number of the lowest 1-RTT packet received" or something less wordy but similar. > @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: + +- The client is not authenticated, unless the server has chosen to use a +pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see +Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}. +- The client has not demonstrated liveness. ...unless the server did a Retry. I'd follow the example of the last bullet and make all of these "might not be authenticated, unless..." and "might not have demonstrated liveness...." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second
+condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with
+1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any
+received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than the former, the
+handshake is confirmed.
+

Also I believe we've been using "greater than" instead of "higher than" when talking about numbers.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+Clients do not send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT
+packet ({{using-early-data}}).  Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as
+soon as it receives a 1-RTT packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a
+0-RTT packet could arrive after a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain
+0-RTT keys to allow decrypting reordered packets without requiring their
+contents to be retransmitted with 1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys
+within three times the Probe Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after
+receiving a 1-RTT packet.  A server MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it
+determines that it has received all 0-RTT packets, which can be done by
+keeping track of packet numbers.
+

Maybe be even more explicit and say how? "...if it has received all packets with packet numbers less than the packet number of the lowest 1-RTT packet received" or something less wordy but similar.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:
+
+- The client is not authenticated, unless the server has chosen to use a
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see
+Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}.
+- The client has not demonstrated liveness.

...unless the server did a Retry. I'd follow the example of the last bullet and make all of these "might not be authenticated, unless..." and "might not have demonstrated liveness...."

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----==_mimepart_5cd362b9a9971_6f763fa9172cd968165318-- From nobody Wed May 8 16:36:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C5312016B for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 16:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ihytzMmNpwI for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 16:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57F4E1201CA for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 16:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 16:36:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557358589; bh=rC73tujPSz4yFXsZIAhJaV1KQyu2QbV6Q8kjv/g0cJI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eLKqbhPftPUQnUCnidCH49uESnZ8nOMNO7jLZp4YXspaoOWz2lG1obcbGOl+m6hds 3T//qe+Slzojeo//7EjpSZsMVXbr24Nm5sfmpCq/f0EQmWPw45lAngyJ3go8WHW+/2 k0Z5FIPGd5FP99nSZcGxzyFl8tI5II1R2ChpQu7I= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd367fd236c2_59fb3fcd168cd96c1002c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 23:36:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd367fd236c2_59fb3fcd168cd96c1002c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for the clarifications. > when something has implicitly_initialized set, what priority is given to it, or more relevantly, to its children? I'm arguing that solving these misprioritizations is more complex than suggested. In my implementation, implicitly-initialized nodes are associated to the root with weight set to 16. I agree that we have the chance of misprioritization here, and that we do no specify how servers should handle that. I also think that what my implementation does now is not optimal - if we are to learn from the lesson of HTTP/2 that some servers respect only the weights but not the structure of the tree, the server should consider children of implicitly-initialized nodes as direct descendants of the root with their respective weights, until the PRIORITY frame for the implicitly-initialized node is received. That said, I am not too worried about the status quo, due to the following reasons: * We are encouraging (or we should encourage) web browsers requesting HTML and assets to use Firefox-style dependency tree. That means that chance of misprioritization only exists during the exchange of very first flights when the PRIORITY frames for the placeholders are sent. * For video streaming, daisy-chaining of streams is preferable. But because we can expect several round-trips to be spent between each request, misprioritization would not be an issue in practice. > I continue to believe the latter is probably out of both scope and time for this working group, unless HTTPbis directs us otherwise. +1. I also agree that it would be beneficial to call out the strategy (or strategies) that the servers might employ, and if necessary the side-effects of those strategies that the clients should take into consideration. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-490689310 ----==_mimepart_5cd367fd236c2_59fb3fcd168cd96c1002c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you for the clarifications.

when something has implicitly_initialized set, what priority is given to it, or more relevantly, to its children? I'm arguing that solving these misprioritizations is more complex than suggested.

In my implementation, implicitly-initialized nodes are associated to the root with weight set to 16. I agree that we have the chance of misprioritization here, and that we do no specify how servers should handle that. I also think that what my implementation does now is not optimal - if we are to learn from the lesson of HTTP/2 that some servers respect only the weights but not the structure of the tree, the server should consider children of implicitly-initialized nodes as direct descendants of the root with their respective weights, until the PRIORITY frame for the implicitly-initialized node is received.

That said, I am not too worried about the status quo, due to the following reasons:

  • We are encouraging (or we should encourage) web browsers requesting HTML and assets to use Firefox-style dependency tree. That means that chance of misprioritization only exists during the exchange of very first flights when the PRIORITY frames for the placeholders are sent.
  • For video streaming, daisy-chaining of streams is preferable. But because we can expect several round-trips to be spent between each request, misprioritization would not be an issue in practice.

I continue to believe the latter is probably out of both scope and time for this working group, unless HTTPbis directs us otherwise.

+1. I also agree that it would be beneficial to call out the strategy (or strategies) that the servers might employ, and if necessary the side-effects of those strategies that the clients should take into consideration.

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detection with flow control would require special case code in stream processing, as in "check against the current window but if 0-RTT check against the initial window". Could be done, but that would be another wart.

It's actually something that can be implemented in a clear and concise way. The only thing you need to have are objects representing limits for each type of packets. When processing 0-RTT packets, the logic would refer to the limits declared by TP of the previous connection. When processing 1-RTT packets, the logic would refer to the limits declared by current TP and the max frames.

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implementations are free to drop packets for whatever reason. In the rare cases of false positive, when the funny coalesced packet is not in fact an attack, the peer will just resend after at time out.

IIRC, one of the concerns regarding this approach was that we might see a deadlock if the peer has dropped the keys necessary for processing the the first packet within a datagram, and decides to drop the entire datagram due to not being able to process the first packet. Then, the endpoint might simply retransmit the coalesced datagram that starts from the same packet type as the previous datagram, and that datagram again gets dropped by the server, and ...

Therefore, it has been my view that it is beneficial to specify the minimum requirements that guarantees the connection to make progress. IIRC, my preference was to define a minimum number of packets within a single datagram that a receiver should process. But I am fine with what we have in the text right now, because it does not make the implementations complicated; a sensible sender would never send a datagram containing more than one packet at the same encryption level, detecting them on the receiver-side is an implementation choice.

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I'm fine with status quo, but if we are to make a change, I like @marten-seemann's proposal of changing ack_delay_exponent to a multiplier.

As @nibanks has pointed out, quicly uses ack_delay_exponent of 10 because it uses a millisecond timer. However, exponent of 10 is slightly incorrect, because 210 is 1,024.

Generally speaking, I do not think that people would have a timer granularity of 2N microseconds, where N is an integer. I expect people granularity of 10N microsecond timers instead.

To put it another way, the base of the exponent not being 10 leads to either inaccuracy of ACK.ack_delay, or the size of the ack_delay field becoming larger than what it could be.

That said, @marten-seemann's suggestion of using a multiplier allows accurate representation of ack-delay for any timer that have X microsecond granularity, at the cost of probably spending 1 more byte in TP. I think it has the best flexibility without sacrificing anything in practice.

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----==_mimepart_5cd36e8e5ae24_13a3ff728acd96090588-- From nobody Wed May 8 17:14:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9F31201C8 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F7i7QrMzKWIq for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8421912014E for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 17:14:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557360879; bh=UziQszxCNEIHvVTpFY+d3xFV287VK8KcVSxeDlV6zOA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xWX4+Ms/BsHz5dQxRP/ijKI/V+voAs5MUgOxk5ZlaykKH+cQlqZR/CCV03ZZfsgrf fXzyB+d8cOO6jfF2nnSHdPYj8HHtAsE1vTMYk6asM8yhWadcLxQFuH/FxYYa0/3x7i cLWoa08Dc3CuuTAJm4afrEXDWvu0DU4bRBDRVRJc= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handling of coalesced packets with decryption errors creates DoS opportunity (#2308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd370ef4cd61_1b453fc2a3ccd9682791b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:14:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd370ef4cd61_1b453fc2a3ccd9682791b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho #2673 lands, we should have very few cases where _"the receiver has dropped the keys necessary for processing the first packet within a datagram"_. I imagine we could see some corner cases, but they most likely will be transient states, not leading to deadlocks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2308#issuecomment-490696764 ----==_mimepart_5cd370ef4cd61_1b453fc2a3ccd9682791b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho #2673 lands, we should have very few cases where "the receiver has dropped the keys necessary for processing the first packet within a datagram". I imagine we could see some corner cases, but they most likely will be transient states, not leading to deadlocks.

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----==_mimepart_5cd370ef4cd61_1b453fc2a3ccd9682791b0-- From nobody Wed May 8 17:24:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD6012010F for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3uDCW73-lpzl for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47F09120098 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 17:24:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557361443; bh=3FgCwmsa/5Zee8UMJVIrOfFlLtRv1gyMGmMQyEOSY1Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rCiZbmMjQsXiylUcf2VwlFuHVgmiqHvRm8xnKyku3QE9wlDmu03h/Wjb6n/hYgc1v xahs7DFaGN38++JQxTI1EnTZaTsHyIPwvyIErvf6FXMtZvejNblR5yF/VUZExnsTNR AAniwaXWwp6NnzJPoUceTR0f6kIxBdJ+5XJPa/eA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handling of coalesced packets with decryption errors creates DoS opportunity (#2308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3732363bd6_54153f9b0e6cd96c89339"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:24:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3732363bd6_54153f9b0e6cd96c89339 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema I agree that it's likely that we would not have deadlocks. But I think it's beneficial to specify how a server should not drop coalesced packets, because there would be performance issues if there is a disagreement about what is possible between the endpoints (one of the concerns being PMTU probes using coalesced packets (https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.14.3.1)). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2308#issuecomment-490698291 ----==_mimepart_5cd3732363bd6_54153f9b0e6cd96c89339 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema I agree that it's likely that we would not have deadlocks. But I think it's beneficial to specify how a server should not drop coalesced packets, because there would be performance issues if there is a disagreement about what is possible between the endpoints (one of the concerns being PMTU probes using coalesced packets (https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.14.3.1)).

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----==_mimepart_5cd3732363bd6_54153f9b0e6cd96c89339-- From nobody Wed May 8 17:39:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD6E12025D for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8Mg65ZCe8Jc for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F45E120220 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 17:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 17:39:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557362343; bh=bG4BASuv+oxhecPg0HK94QsFjvI4MNoRRezTsZubnAE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kJtQ4jIaQVy6N6WGqOcyxsYH/f0RoZzN/d/7P9xHV6RQCJZ2CZ65rTtdUgNdVifxY /a0cJdsMQ+DjhvbjqpoASpjpH0lUbtlCDYjMbVcar+qzccHaZsTt0TZe0wZfNhIjGE +gFeFrLPpnK3xia410MfqEpnv6kNA9k7QJkAw6cM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport error codes would be smaller and more consistent as a varint (#2672) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd376a75c20f_6ba23ff9a70cd95c135583"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:39:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd376a75c20f_6ba23ff9a70cd95c135583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also think that varint is OK. It gives application protocols to use up to 62-bit space for error codes rather than enforcing them to use 16-bit space. The downside is that the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame could become one byte bigger, but I do not think that is a real cost. Re HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME, my preference goes to either a) recommend endpoints expressing the offending frame type in the reason phrase, or b) change the definition of application-close frame (i.e. CONNECTION_CLOSE with type=0x1d) to carry a blob, and define in the HTTP/3 spec. that the blob would be a tuple of error-code (varint), offending-frame-type (varint), and a reason phrase. My view is that 2^60 is a dirty hack. It works, but I'd argue that it is a sign the HTTP draft doing something unexpected by the transport design. Therefore, I'm arguing to do what is expected by the transport, or change the design of the transport to meet the requirement of HTTP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2672#issuecomment-490700673 ----==_mimepart_5cd376a75c20f_6ba23ff9a70cd95c135583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also think that varint is OK. It gives application protocols to use up to 62-bit space for error codes rather than enforcing them to use 16-bit space. The downside is that the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame could become one byte bigger, but I do not think that is a real cost.

Re HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME, my preference goes to either a) recommend endpoints expressing the offending frame type in the reason phrase, or b) change the definition of application-close frame (i.e. CONNECTION_CLOSE with type=0x1d) to carry a blob, and define in the HTTP/3 spec. that the blob would be a tuple of error-code (varint), offending-frame-type (varint), and a reason phrase.

My view is that 2^60 is a dirty hack. It works, but I'd argue that it is a sign the HTTP draft doing something unexpected by the transport design. Therefore, I'm arguing to do what is expected by the transport, or change the design of the transport to meet the requirement of HTTP.

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Would a note suffice? Something like "an endpoint that coalesces more than a few packets risks having the peer not process all packets." I don't think we need stronger or RFC 2119 language here, just a note for sensible implementation is adequate I think.

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@kazuho makes a good point about the inaccuracy of 2^N when it comes to timer granularity. I don't think a multiplier is any more expensive, and it's certainly more accurate.

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----==_mimepart_5cd3875f46509_731c3fd0508cd95c6654e-- From nobody Wed May 8 18:56:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB731201EA for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.952 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.952 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X9byPzZwV9wc for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 18:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8896112006E for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 18:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 18:56:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557366989; bh=nNSta2HQJlDRd4FZtlSMefygisDATYigASRK+MlDmE4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xSLIuhkXu45f/DzGTg5o1wapX3ApXNuYd9HI0FpZkrUtfo3Qxs+pG5xoB2By9KN1q yreU0wDmWYJ9v5gmZWHDnIh2obMWLhuY9PhC8SVC58fdDtLZL2UfNVribq442HyPbV SgPpAJeA8Cn0DjZU8VMccl30WoADzPUCA7PD0KhY= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Trigger unhappy (#2677) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd388cd90e64_d003fdb054cd9641906"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 01:56:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd388cd90e64_d003fdb054cd9641906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "cause a XXX frame to be sent"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2677#issuecomment-490713361 ----==_mimepart_5cd388cd90e64_d003fdb054cd9641906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

"cause a XXX frame to be sent"?

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I'd be happy with just saying ack_delay is units of milliseconds and do away with ack_delay_exponent. I really don't see a reason to have more accurate time for this field.

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The mechanism for REPLACE_CONN_ID is not complicated, but I'm not yet convinced about its need. So, if we treat the two partitions as two servers, a commonly used strategy for migrating load is to send a GOAWAY to the client and have new connections be routed to the new server. Is this not adequate for you, @nibanks?

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----==_mimepart_5cd391f6ebf1f_c9a3f903aecd95c12538c-- From nobody Wed May 8 19:41:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8C512006F for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pmt5masvubMP for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4F5A12004D for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 19:41:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557369688; bh=fJY4pTWIVkQwN5XclIgf7Oew8H6A4R6uFUMxgxhm1Xg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P5ppmGTq703gni5iwzfG/Xp2qy1BYsoSxH1dHU6oSueB2kWGI1FFsDeexDtB+bvnM 9xuNWO7aXNJuz42s+WB1nlsiZezwtqeF2/oARxsylchiNX2QzG6otN2XNZl+ZZp0VT HGAxGvBSP4XuqB5QbJeH0gnatVQsh7Y+Bpw0VckY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] H3 guidance on malformed request/response is light (#2410) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3935883fa5_4ade3fc1480cd96c24799a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 02:41:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3935883fa5_4ade3fc1480cd96c24799a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it's worth noting that HTTP_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR is the error that a proxy is expected to send when upstream resets a HTTP message (e.g., h1 connection being closed in middle of a T-E chunk, receiving RST_STREAM on a h2 stream). We could have an error code dedicated to that, but H2 has not had one and therefore I do not think there's a strong necessity to have a dedicated codepoint. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2410#issuecomment-490721539 ----==_mimepart_5cd3935883fa5_4ade3fc1480cd96c24799a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Maybe it's worth noting that HTTP_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR is the error that a proxy is expected to send when upstream resets a HTTP message (e.g., h1 connection being closed in middle of a T-E chunk, receiving RST_STREAM on a h2 stream). We could have an error code dedicated to that, but H2 has not had one and therefore I do not think there's a strong necessity to have a dedicated codepoint.

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----==_mimepart_5cd3935883fa5_4ade3fc1480cd96c24799a-- From nobody Wed May 8 19:43:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1A612006F for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:43:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nUH_IXSsWtYu for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4687612004D for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 19:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 19:43:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557369789; bh=YZHTbcgmtKzYtkynzelQFMLYSLOjBKuNnuQt99TsYsU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=U2XuPuOo9piZ4/4fc5vPvIZaWnQD3U5uSWrF6K0jStx8TDKc3IHH5xHLSc20acJlO sRsJCt5UnREqEnPYam4GV8BDPCqnYJ+1M1LimGoNtgr16pBoNP8F+ZCU3LzXTpDVwq xcVI9Nx/n0JHVwwH59L0F89p7O2c6yjc2eGuymUg= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RTT measurement using PATH_* frames (#2644) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd393bd5763d_47c03faf486cd96413672c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 02:43:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd393bd5763d_47c03faf486cd96413672c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @rpaulo, #2637 removes that text. @ianswett is right, we'll need to caveat this at a minimum. I think it gets a bit tricky to use the PATH_CHALLENGE/RESPONSE for RTT if the RESPONSE can arrive on any path. The endpoint does not know what path will be used for data/acks, and it would have to assume that the path for CHALLENGE/RESPONSE will be the one used for data/acks, if it is to set its RTT estimate. Perhaps we could say that an endpoint can use the CHALLENGE/RESPONSE RTT as a hint. This will need some more thought. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2644#issuecomment-490721850 ----==_mimepart_5cd393bd5763d_47c03faf486cd96413672c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@rpaulo, #2637 removes that text. @ians= wett is right, we'll need to caveat this at a minimum. I think it get= s a bit tricky to use the PATH_CHALLENGE/RESPONSE for RTT if the RESPONSE= can arrive on any path. The endpoint does not know what path will be use= d for data/acks, and it would have to assume that the path for CHALLENGE/= RESPONSE will be the one used for data/acks, if it is to set its RTT esti= mate.

Perhaps we could say that an endpoint can use the CHALLENGE/RESPONSE R= TT as a hint.

This will need some more thought.

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The partition can be on the same physical machine (different processor/numa node). Changing the partition ID allows for dynamic rebalancing of load across these more easily.

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@janaiyengar I personally think that that might be sufficient, though it is my understanding is that we already have a rough consensus on how to proceed; see #2308 (comment).

Maybe I am incorrect in understanding the status, but based on this understanding, what I am wondering is if there's any new information that makes the WG reconsider.

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I'd be happy with just saying ack_delay is units of milliseconds and do away with ack_delay_exponent.

While millisecond granularity would be sufficient (and also efficient in terms of the size of the ACK frame) for connections between the web browsers and the servers, more accuracy is desirable for intra-datacenter connections (as @ianswett has pointed out).

Therefore, my preference would be to retain a TP that can be used to scale the granularity.

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Since several people expressed interested in changing the ack_delay_exponent to a multiplier in #2670, I decided to write down a PR with that change.
We will probably have a discussion about the default value of this TP. For now, I chose 10 microseconds, which is close to the value we had so far.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2679

Commit Summary

  • change the ack delay exponent to an ack delay multiplier

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----==_mimepart_5cd39e76c105e_7c513ff7cd2cd96864035-- From nobody Wed May 8 20:37:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9FD1201DA for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 20:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I_b4jE11V_iq for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 20:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676B2120103 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 20:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 20:37:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557373033; bh=IUYvSTRIY4nZc3cNj4xpjz+g1ht6jVsbNOtTy1Yj/Pg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DBNurh2t0+n5Cofg/Z3pDws0L2P+xiMvlD1Wmrx/oYrkbFQTd7VhB+9SaBIM1fWXl EGNH01ywmB5I1WhTLMirvUal3Dxzhg3pNB5t/66GjXn6hpn48VLGdTBPrTaeJKf9G1 /WB0qmNLzRNQjBu6KIksAmpH/ry6ZY3xmLo6eT7g= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handling of coalesced packets with decryption errors creates DoS opportunity (#2308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3a0696c817_1f433fd9d44cd9641597db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 03:37:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3a0696c817_1f433fd9d44cd9641597db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @kazuho for reminding me that we discussed this in Tokyo and arrived at an agreement (it's not consensus per my read, it was agreement among the participants in the "room"). I'll gently poke @marten-seemann to write the PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2308#issuecomment-490730888 ----==_mimepart_5cd3a0696c817_1f433fd9d44cd9641597db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks @kazuho for reminding me that we discussed this in Tokyo and arrived at an agreement (it's not consensus per my read, it was agreement among the participants in the "room").

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I am a bit skeptical of the idea of using coalesced packets for PMTU discovery. If I receive a handshake packet after the handshake is finished, I will most probably ignore it. I don't have the keys anymore, I cannot remove header protection or packet protection. Packet will be treated as a decryption error, and whatever is coalesced with it will most likely be ignored.

I understand the goal of coalescing is to find a CID in the ICMP payload, but that seems somewhat brittle. Parsing the ICMP based on the 5 tuple would be much more robust, and does not require playing games with packet coalescing.

I may be a bit biased because I would rather just completely ignore all ICMP packets, and rely only on end-to-end ACKs. It removes the need to find a portable way to obtain ICMP messages through the socket API, and it also prevents attacks by ICMP spoofing.

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If I receive a handshake packet after the handshake is finished, I will most probably ignore it. I don't have the keys anymore, I cannot remove header protection or packet protection. Packet will be treated as a decryption error, and whatever is coalesced with it will most likely be ignored.

I would point out that the draft says don't. Quoting from section 12.2: if decryption fails (because the keys are not available or any other reason), the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the packet for later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining packets.

I understand the goal of coalescing is to find a CID in the ICMP payload, but that seems somewhat brittle. Parsing the ICMP based on the 5 tuple would be much more robust, and does not require playing games with packet coalescing.

I agree that endpoints should rely on the 5 tuple whenever possible. However, if a stateless load balancer is being used, the CID becomes the only identifier for routing packets. That's why we have this mechanism.

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----==_mimepart_5cd3aa3125cf7_2bdd3fadc9ecd9649371-- From nobody Wed May 8 21:20:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFE8120266 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 21:20:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIgoerOXNUwz for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8EFE12025B for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 21:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 21:20:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557375620; bh=pG0uZGJXKP/13o/GVi1okcypTl+mFaGdrcNtk+BHN+g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QBaAVwrhM5HExaepf2R5g/Yjxeh2F+2Wh4whyB3J2E2rwaBa1QAbnNPxk/wGPHWPg QEldu/kH0czamnuOYa3yG7eJKlt8Cud+nNFp/vRKjEgKqX9scDnmLCBUfhef9Fx1yB ZnGpLa7EpATN1l3DZK1/GsajYcdC3QySxlLPnLHw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ignore the ack delay in Initial and Handshake packets (#2676) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3aa83d5432_52ef3fd7188cd960230ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 04:20:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3aa83d5432_52ef3fd7188cd960230ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new "MUST" threw me, but it's not really new, is it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2676#issuecomment-490737478 ----==_mimepart_5cd3aa83d5432_52ef3fd7188cd960230ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The new "MUST" threw me, but it's not really new, is it?

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That one was introduced in #2646 already.

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Let's pretend that this addresses/closes #2670.

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Looks like multiplication is beating exponentiation. (Also consistency over inconsistency.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The ACK delay exponent is an integer value indicating an
-  exponent used to decode the ACK Delay field in the ACK frame ({{frame-ack}}).
-  If this value is absent, a default value of 3 is assumed (indicating a
-  multiplier of 8). Values above 20 are invalid.
+: The ACK delay multiplier is an integer value indicating a multiplier used to
+  decode the ACK Delay field in the ACK frame ({{frame-ack}}). If this value is
+  absent, a default value of 10 (corresponding to a resolution of 10
+  microseconds)is assumed. Values above 1,000,000 (corresponding to a resolution
+  of 1 second) are invalid.

It might be better to leave the multiplier at 1 rather than pick a value.

Also, I assume that we want to prohibit 0.

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Is this necessary? Imposing a multiplier on peer might be OK, but if w= e ever get to a situation where division is forced, an exponent is vastly= better - so this concern is about precefence.

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@mikkelfj Where is a division necessary? The PR only requires multiplication.

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As I say, this sets a precedence if we need to do more scales in the future. In the current form the sender decides what division is necessary. So I think there should be strong win for multiplication to prefer that.

That said, it is already messy with base 10 units, but constant mult/div by 1000 is manageable.

Another complication is overflow detection. With an exponent you can easily construct a mask. With multiplication you must either add another max var, or have another multiplication to compute it on the fly. Otherwise this will probably be an attack vector on naive implementations.

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----==_mimepart_5cd3cbec6c96f_6e073f9822ccd9642474fb-- From nobody Wed May 8 23:43:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0E6120124 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 23:43:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQiadhkqv5xW for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 23:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 401CD12011A for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 23:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 23:43:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557384206; bh=hSn808zOQ1oNcn07rMZLJ7MTzjHn6Rn7wanWibeP6D0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=slFSInVGMC3NdYYomCsY2uIVjgOWD1StY7OAwYaO5jdGyZ5POwBWu++LCvAi0TtCa lGYgz11YF8a+sc3+MMb8LxzJ8aI6yDD/fcp9EZt/d2lOgQqKodqS1vye9xKyqz3Xh+ YqtscM+CsIOUhUKMMPLFXb/t6UefI1ACRigw3aIQ= From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] max_ack_delay is unknown when a new connection is established (#2638) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3cc0eb4d80_599c3f887e6cd9641434e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 06:43:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3cc0eb4d80_599c3f887e6cd9641434e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopened #2638. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2638#event-2329279903 ----==_mimepart_5cd3cc0eb4d80_599c3f887e6cd9641434e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopened #2638.

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----==_mimepart_5cd3cc0eb4d80_599c3f887e6cd9641434e0-- From nobody Thu May 9 00:05:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFAC12029C for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 00:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vq9QoTfLnqNr for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 00:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B6E120296 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 00:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:05:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557385521; bh=6GRznLJUstivhNUayWbMTBx1WjxzPxQ7gRO1FjBwfLc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SbRy6/ChwmcticZMkEMkQG/1KzBtvPZIGD7wAZJ2zyBI+8yzxCLs3GVUHoik09X/B qykynjRRf1XT/XdEWRgOB65naPLFb0OmqQG78iWoAJGjE4ruFROhlq2KE7nQ1Z76/w zcf6GxK1aha843VviuD3UWm4fgvVC/aMoDgPBcjk= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional stream (some or) all the control things in HTTP/3 (#2678) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3d131289e9_79203fbf312cd96051658"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 07:05:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3d131289e9_79203fbf312cd96051658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I am opposed to having a dedicated stream for PRIORITY frames. If I understand correctly, the suggestion is based on either of the following two conceptions: * sending priority information only on a dedicated stream is better than allowing the initial priority to be specified on the request stream * it is a good idea to block processing of PRIORITY frames if there is a unresolved inter-stream dependency I am not sure if either of the two is true. For the first point, the increased chance of not having prioritization information when receiving a request is a concern (see https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-490330136). For the second point, my understanding is that the ideal behavior is different. It is my understanding that the server should solely refer to the weight of the request stream when the stream's location within the tree cannot be resolved (see https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-490689310). Considering these points, I am not sure if we want to incentivize servers processing PRIORITY frames in order. I might also point out that the servers willing to process them in order can buffer the PRIORITY frames after reading them out from the receive buffer of the control stream, and that the clients willing to send all the prioritization information in order can do that by sending the PRIORITY frames only on the control stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2678#issuecomment-490770664 ----==_mimepart_5cd3d131289e9_79203fbf312cd96051658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think I am opposed to having a dedicated stream for PRIORITY frames.=

If I understand correctly, the suggestion is based on either of the fo= llowing two conceptions:

  • sending priority information only on a dedicated stream is better tha= n allowing the initial priority to be specified on the request stream
  • it is a good idea to block processing of PRIORITY frames if there is = a unresolved inter-stream dependency

I am not sure if either of the two is true. For the first point, the i= ncreased chance of not having prioritization information when receiving a= request is a concern (see #2502 (comment)). For the sec= ond point, my understanding is that the ideal behavior is different. It i= s my understanding that the server should solely refer to the weight of t= he request stream when the stream's location within the tree cannot be re= solved (see #2502 (comment)).

Considering these points, I am not sure if we want to incentivize serv= ers processing PRIORITY frames in order. I might also point out that the = servers willing to process them in order can buffer the PRIORITY frames a= fter reading them out from the receive buffer of the control stream, and = that the clients willing to send all the prioritization information in or= der can do that by sending the PRIORITY frames only on the control stream= .

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I really wish QUIC did not use coalescing for any kind of semantics and only to avoid roundtrips.

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I'm a bit torn here - I don't think internal process optimisation should be on the wire, but with 96 cores and counting, and possibly hardware optimized queue delivery, there is probably a reasonable case for it.

There may also be a case of handover on the internal network.

But this is only a use case consideration. I haven't considered whether @nibanks proposal is the right way to do it.

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----==_mimepart_5cd3d3a093634_146d3fc836acd968146376-- From nobody Thu May 9 00:51:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE43120261 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 00:51:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O2KIuzG-0cjk for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8816212016A for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 00:51:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557388285; bh=eakl3gJ/JWzQnBuBQ9NxDITPI5B8DVlmPIdR7rJQSE4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=q4v+Q4j9nLX0wt0z2XP3VgnUUQm0T2FlgeGI8KQZKIsN6MoFhCWaFcymENQrkJIR8 Nhu9fDVWjV+TdtA50qVauAKXJE1OOK/9IJNEbBjThGCFn+o6t/Y1n5zlwowUjzRlqh +ONculiRB65/IF9JjV3Scuz/HnWvwGoRPLe3EtH0= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd3dbfce3be8_5fb43f86276cd96856659"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 07:51:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd3dbfce3be8_5fb43f86276cd96856659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you all for the insightful comments :) I guess my main gripe is maybe with the "default" behavior of adding the node as a direct child to the root of the tree. As we have found in our research (1) (and many others besides) this default behaviour (equal weighted round robin) is (by far) the worst behaviour you can get in a web browsing context. A first-come-first-served setup is better in almost every way. A simple compromise might be to change the default behaviour from "add to root with weight 16" to "**add as direct child of the last added node (could be root) with weight 1**" or something similar. This also has plenty of caveats and edge cases, but afaict should give better results in cases where lots goes wrong at the same time (e.g., fast link and high current cwnd with sudden burst of lost priority frame(s)). This would imo greatly reduce the potential impact of an "implicitly_initialized" node in the most common case (lots of higher-priority requests outstanding, which you would interfere with by adding to the root instead). > +1. I also agree that it would be beneficial to call out the strategy (or strategies) that the servers might employ, and if necessary the side-effects of those strategies that the clients should take into consideration. I am also 100% for this. With regards to the alternate priority schemes/changing before RFC: afaict, Pat Meenan's proposal can be implemented using an extension frame (replacing the "normal" PRIORITY frame). At least that's how we are planning on starting to experiment with it soon. In that case, a more complex setup with the unidirectional priority streams etc. might be overkill (sorry @LPardue ;) Anyone think that's not possible? TL;DR I would be in preference of keeping things as they are in general, but changing the default behavior for non-explicitly-prioritized streams. (1): https://speeder.edm.uhasselt.be/www18/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-490792254 ----==_mimepart_5cd3dbfce3be8_5fb43f86276cd96856659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you all for the insightful comments :)

I guess my main gripe is maybe with the "default" behavior of adding the node as a direct child to the root of the tree. As we have found in our research (1) (and many others besides) this default behaviour (equal weighted round robin) is (by far) the worst behaviour you can get in a web browsing context. A first-come-first-served setup is better in almost every way.

A simple compromise might be to change the default behaviour from "add to root with weight 16" to "add as direct child of the last added node (could be root) with weight 1" or something similar. This also has plenty of caveats and edge cases, but afaict should give better results in cases where lots goes wrong at the same time (e.g., fast link and high current cwnd with sudden burst of lost priority frame(s)). This would imo greatly reduce the potential impact of an "implicitly_initialized" node in the most common case (lots of higher-priority requests outstanding, which you would interfere with by adding to the root instead).

+1. I also agree that it would be beneficial to call out the strategy (or strategies) that the servers might employ, and if necessary the side-effects of those strategies that the clients should take into consideration.

I am also 100% for this.

With regards to the alternate priority schemes/changing before RFC: afaict, Pat Meenan's proposal can be implemented using an extension frame (replacing the "normal" PRIORITY frame). At least that's how we are planning on starting to experiment with it soon. In that case, a more complex setup with the unidirectional priority streams etc. might be overkill (sorry @LPardue ;) Anyone think that's not possible?

TL;DR I would be in preference of keeping things as they are in general, but changing the default behavior for non-explicitly-prioritized streams.

(1): https://speeder.edm.uhasselt.be/www18/

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Still holding on a note about congestion. I will merge and open another issue if that doesn't happen soon-ish.

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I don't see a reason to change this to a multiplier, except for personal taste. Shifts are objectively faster and I haven't seen anyone indicate they need or really want a multiplier that can't be expressed today.

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Coalescing for other-than-PMTU-discovery is to reduce the number of small datagrams. That's useful for reducing network bandwidth and CPU cost, especially for short connections.

So any kind of analysis for possible attacks should weigh a "Christmas Tree" coalesced packets vs. receiving each of the coalesced packets separately. Coalescing makes sending such packets cheaper for the sender but it also makes it equally cheaper for the sever to receive.

My view is that packet coalescing is "neutral" in its effect on attack resilience of the protocol. (One can actually say it is slightly beneficial, since it is harder to saturate network links with smaller datagrams.)

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How about "MAY use the delay between sending a PATH_CHALLENGE and receiving a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but MUST not be considered an RTT sample."?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

Thanks for fixing this.

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Yeah, meant reduce UDP packet count, not roundtrip.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu May 9 06:24:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84E612003E for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jez6RAhPXUrq for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1919412015A for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 06:24:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557408252; bh=UgEPNjmmJp+2jru3JopZRfeAvpSgD1MxtFxA0OdsPVU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Rq+vJ/Wm21dd848wrYuPd2xrvSRfLfaD0gIDNjG2UNYPqyT78oVkzWoEEVsceko92 2sDNTb38gwpHkPScbAA/ITXRwvowMKhAKxWHah/yfXYV6x4hETN9S1X1W4mVym+cIR 54cGOvTv9h1XegOcdsosATrg4YvZWpBGHOtohaXU= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't send PING in Initial or Handshake (#2642) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd429fc53a98_76f63fa2b0acd9641134eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 13:24:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd429fc53a98_76f63fa2b0acd9641134eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I added description of why I believe this is not a problem. Conveniently, the logic is simpler than I previously stated, because of the fast Initial -> Handshake transition when the client gets Handshake keys. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2642#issuecomment-490902721 ----==_mimepart_5cd429fc53a98_76f63fa2b0acd9641134eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I added description of why I believe this is not a problem. Conveniently, the logic is simpler than I previously stated, because of the fast Initial -> Handshake transition when the client gets Handshake keys.

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----==_mimepart_5cd429fc53a98_76f63fa2b0acd9641134eb-- From nobody Thu May 9 06:42:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245831200C1 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aUHnbMCYkO1e for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A61401200B6 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 06:41:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557409316; bh=dxQDoEgz6ycImys688nJ2d8rA1z6dNqlIBbLXu6EHS0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CvWeFszz4xOM5C36y+4U2UEvNvEGpLRJ6/tlPgTMl0eMMLXuEj747IEwgjIIn1GSS Woaht/4frb3GvGtWZw9zdo2HF2BLAr0zyZg2cZYbdsxteMJvktfSHtRtYOgbuY6YL2 kAGx9vn9kyADv6/ez8jniLwJgIDrpKaDg3P+jjrY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport error codes would be smaller and more consistent as a varint (#2672) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd42e2475370_37a03f9c62ecd9641430fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 13:42:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd42e2475370_37a03f9c62ecd9641430fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME, I think @LPardue PR #2662 that removes it and replaces it with a small number of specific error codes is like a good way to go instead of the 2^60 hack. @kazuho Are you happy with that PR? I'm going to write a varint PR with the assumption #2662 or something like it is likely to land, so it will be transport-only. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2672#issuecomment-490909896 ----==_mimepart_5cd42e2475370_37a03f9c62ecd9641430fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME, I think @LPardue PR #2662 that removes it and replaces it with a small number of specific error codes is like a good way to go instead of the 2^60 hack.

@kazuho Are you happy with that PR? I'm going to write a varint PR with the assumption #2662 or something like it is likely to land, so it will be transport-only.

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FWIW I just fixed the merge conflict on #2662

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Changes CONNECTION_CLOSE, STOP_SENDING, and RESET_STREAM to varint error codes.

Fixes #2672

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  • Change error codes from 16-bit to varints

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Stopping processing PRIORITY frames has the effect of -- well, stopping processing PRIORITY frames. In other words, in addition to the presumed packet loss (discussed in #2502 as part of @rmarx original scenario), this approach effectively simulates even more packet loss.

Consider what happens when there are many existing streams that need to be reprioritized. A loss of a possibly unrelated (different subtree) STREAM packet would now cause delay in applying priorities of one or more RTTs.

Then there are the corner cases. For example, what happens when the client decides to cancel the stream whose lost STREAM packet caused the priority stream blockage? Do we need a special CANCELLED_STREAM instruction on the control stream that would allow the server to resume processing the priority stream? If so, this would introduce even more dependencies between streams.

Similar to QPACK design, stream prioritization mechanism should minimize the number of stream interdependencies and potential for priority inversion. The current (http-20) spec is not perfect, but it has the profitable feature of stream independence. Combined with the guarantee of eventual consistency, it strikes a good balance between complexity and performance.

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It feels to me like we might benefit from hoisting the definition of aborting an HTTP/3 stream (including whether that results in a emitting a STOP_SENDING or RESET_STREAM frame) to one place. This makes it explicitly clear and referable throughout the document.

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

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----==_mimepart_5cd435d6ea90d_57a93fd7680cd968358042-- From nobody Thu May 9 07:22:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A511120116 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id antxBVr6nunc for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 07:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1F1F12006A for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 07:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 07:22:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557411749; bh=OxZdCucmeBccQ6n6mTy+NZBxumRhEUWRljeat6aEzJQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g+jMCNyMGdM1FB5QlwnPM5VDWw3hwLzjlE1W3n3RzygSLOxuW7GAqZvSLYsgASUej w05vyMaRzGQQBSaAs13xlh4K0AsCPNKfrYALdPBIfRZhasUc8SiQ+HjL54Q6Gu5TPB gtzNMF1jLuON8LQY+Rm/baMg+IFoj/l40FmTYuTA= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd437a4c6bd2_77f43fc389ecd95c3194f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 14:22:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd437a4c6bd2_77f43fc389ecd95c3194f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, if the parameter ends up staying, I agree with @ianswett and I would just leave things as they are, with no changes (though maybe we update the default to 10?). But I still haven't seen a specific answer to two things: 1) The endpoint setting the timers for loss detection is the one who knows the accuracy of the timer; not the one sending the ACK frame. So, shouldn't the endpoint that sets the timer tell it's peer what ack_delay_exponent to use, not the other way around? 2) Even in intra-DC environments, where RTT is nearly 0 ms, that doesn't change how accurate timers can be set. In the default case for Windows, for instance, 15.6 ms is still average accuracy a timer can get. At best, that can be reduced to 1 ms. But at that small of an interval, any kind of scheduling interruption will add extra delay too. So practically, I don't ever see sub-millisecond timers being viable. Therefore, why do we ever need sub-millisecond ack_delay values communicated over the wire? Any fractional delay would just be included in the rtt variance (and IMO, rightly so). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-490925674 ----==_mimepart_5cd437a4c6bd2_77f43fc389ecd95c3194f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

First, if the parameter ends up staying, I agree with @ianswett and I would just leave things as they are, with no changes (though maybe we update the default to 10?).

But I still haven't seen a specific answer to two things:

  1. The endpoint setting the timers for loss detection is the one who knows the accuracy of the timer; not the one sending the ACK frame. So, shouldn't the endpoint that sets the timer tell it's peer what ack_delay_exponent to use, not the other way around?

  2. Even in intra-DC environments, where RTT is nearly 0 ms, that doesn't change how accurate timers can be set. In the default case for Windows, for instance, 15.6 ms is still average accuracy a timer can get. At best, that can be reduced to 1 ms. But at that small of an interval, any kind of scheduling interruption will add extra delay too. So practically, I don't ever see sub-millisecond timers being viable. Therefore, why do we ever need sub-millisecond ack_delay values communicated over the wire? Any fractional delay would just be included in the rtt variance (and IMO, rightly so).

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On timers: you don't know what hardware and software will be deployed in the future or in special projects. Wether that precision is really important is a different question.

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@mikkelfj I can agree to that. But as far as "what might happen in the future", in the QUIC WG, it seems that the general guideline has been: if you don't have a scenario for it now (i.e. not in the charter) then defer it as either a possible extension or a future version.

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So, I don't know what you can typically expect, but I have a timer implementation that uses nanosleep because why not? Recent Linux kernels can wait on microsecond resolution on x86 arch even if its general Hz/jiffie setting is higher.
http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/time.7.html
http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/nanosleep.2.html
That doesn't change my view that exponents are more manageable though.

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  1. I think it makes slightly more sense for the receiver to specify it, since the receiver is the one setting a delayed ack alarm, but I can imagine it working ok either way. It pairs with max_ack_delay in some ways, and that's receiver specified, so I think keeping it on the receiver side is preferable.

  2. If you have a 100us RTT and >1ms timer granularity, then I think this becomes more important, not less. In that case, you want to pace over the true RTT, not the SRTT without adjusting for max_ack_delay, because that may be 10x or more too slow. And to second @mikkelfj point, sub-millisecond timers are now fairly common.

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Two questions:

  1. Should DUPLICATE_PUSH respect max push ID limit?
    PUSH_PROMISE says the following:

A server MUST NOT use a Push ID that is larger than the client has
provided in a MAX_PUSH_ID frame (Section 4.2.8) and MUST NOT use the
same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames

  1. What should a client do if it sees a DUPLICATE_PUSH for an ID of a PUSH_PROMISE that it never received?

This could be caused by a race condition, so it seems sensible to allow this to clients to support this without error. We should probably document that like we did for other racy things.
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Thank you so much for defining "Handshake Complete"! > + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients do not +send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}). +Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT +packet. However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive after +a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting +reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted with +1-RTT keys. Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Probe +Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a 1-RTT packet. A server +MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it determines that it has received all 0-RTT +packets, which can be done by keeping track of packet numbers. ```suggestion packets, which can be done by keeping track of missing packet numbers. ``` The easiest proxy for this is whether there are multiple ACK ranges in the ACK frame, which a receiver is already tracking, FWIW. > @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received. A client will be unable to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client. -However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets -before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the -server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see -Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}). Verifying these values provides the server with -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the +client: + +- The client is not authenticated, unless the server has chosen to use a +pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see +Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}. +- The client has not demonstrated liveness. +1 > -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified. Packets protected with +Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first +handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the client state: + +- The client is not authenticated, unless the server has chosen to use a +pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see +Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}. +- The client has not demonstrated liveness. +- Any received 0-RTT data that the server responds to might be due to a replay +attack. + +Therefore, the server's use of 1-RTT keys is limited before the handshake is +complete. A server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT +protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete. Because +sending acknowledgments indicates that all frames in a packet have been +processed, this means that a server cannot send acknowledgments for 1-RTT ```suggestion processed, a server cannot send acknowledgments for 1-RTT ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1145,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for +removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets. Older keys +can be discarded. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause +packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly delayed. ```suggestion packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly reordered. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#pullrequestreview-235686326 ----==_mimepart_5cd45290aeb6b_2c7c3f9dbf0cd96428048d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett approved this pull request.

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Thank you so much for defining "Handshake Complete"!

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+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
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Shifts are objectively faster and I haven't seen anyone indicate they need or really want a multiplier that can't be expressed today. Thinking a bit more about the problem, to me it seems that using examples might help in moving the discussion forward. Consider the case where an endpoint uses a millisecond timer, sets max_ack_delay to 25ms, and the RTT is 5 milliseconds. The endpoint sends an ACK when the ack-delay timer fires. If the endpoint uses ack_delay_exponent of 10 (i.e., 1024 microseconds as an approximation of 1 millisecond), the sender would set ACK.ack_delay to 25, and the receiver would interpret the value as 25.6 milliseconds (i.e. 1024*25=25,600). Then, the calculated RTT becomes 4.4ms, which is 12% smaller than the actual value. Is this error acceptable? I _think_ it is, because a millisecond timer would have +- 1ms inaccuracy. Although it is a bit concerning that the RTT would always be underestimated in the above case. 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I don't see a reason to change this to a multiplier, except for personal taste. Shifts are objectively faster and I haven't seen anyone indicate they need or really want a multiplier that can't be expressed today.

Thinking a bit more about the problem, to me it seems that using examples might help in moving the discussion forward.

Consider the case where an endpoint uses a millisecond timer, sets max_ack_delay to 25ms, and the RTT is 5 milliseconds. The endpoint sends an ACK when the ack-delay timer fires.

If the endpoint uses ack_delay_exponent of 10 (i.e., 1024 microseconds as an approximation of 1 millisecond), the sender would set ACK.ack_delay to 25, and the receiver would interpret the value as 25.6 milliseconds (i.e. 1024*25=25,600). Then, the calculated RTT becomes 4.4ms, which is 12% smaller than the actual value.

Is this error acceptable? I think it is, because a millisecond timer would have +- 1ms inaccuracy. Although it is a bit concerning that the RTT would always be underestimated in the above case.

But the question is: what is the rational for using shifts instead of multipliers, when there are these types of errors? While it is true that bit shift is faster than multiplication, the different does not matter for an encrypted transport.

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Are you not forgetting that numbers are stored in base 2, so if you divide by, say 100 or 25000, you do not get an exact representation at the lower bit? Receiver side multiply by said factor will now introduce an inaccuracy. On the contrary, if you keep your time management in base 2 sender side (if you can be bothered), there is no additional precision loss beyond the chosen resolution.

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@mikkelfj Could you please elaborate where division happens? ack_delay_exponent is chosen by the sender of the ACK frame. Therefore, no division is happening in the example above.

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One correction on your example @kazuho. The rtt sample that would result would not go lower than min_rtt, so it would only be 4.4ms if the min_rtt was <=4.4ms.

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For HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME, I think @LPardue PR #2662 that removes it and replaces it with a small number of specific error codes is like a good way to go instead of the 2^60 hack.

@kazuho Are you happy with that PR? I'm going to write a varint PR with the assumption #2662 or something like it is likely to land, so it will be transport-only.

#2662 works for me. My complaint is that HTTP/3 should not "hack" QUIC. Eliminating HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME is a way of achieving that, and I do not have a strong preference on communicating the malformed frame ID.

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----==_mimepart_5cd45cc876aab_357b3fdbf1ccd96049052b-- From nobody Thu May 9 10:01:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2475312011E for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:01:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHPXIEqp5nbN for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39D5C12006B for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 10:01:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557421274; bh=+aBzTWQwGdPY3EsQ4V3t5wvUBtZzYg0UtLa75kDnTdc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lFYVg0yGVXLVQLaH/nSqPd36PnTC0z28GRVJ94ppUVfhuuAsUuPKBD8KgwT/0q2Mk ThR0FfnuDiQxWRtGsVpgOCeCF8Okfe181ZDya+wR0Q3z37NHC7lTSf8yVVkUPwWmLM uzLE7XTgxj0fnq0wb+PYq5OWIpqhjNNVla9d6g84= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd45cda4255f_523d3f933fecd968929232"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 17:01:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd45cda4255f_523d3f933fecd968929232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It happens because timers don't work as you describe. When the timer fires it is either a spurious wake-up or a proper wake-up, but likely rounded up to some internal quant that is a not a clean multiple of anything. Additionally the wake-up is is possibly coalesced so different things might happen before your event gets activated. Hence, the sane thing to do is to is: t1 = now. delay = 250ms sleel(250ms) t2 = now ack.delay = (t2 - t1) / unit_multiplier. If you do not do that, any rounding errors is dwarfed by assumptions on time precision. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-490985340 ----==_mimepart_5cd45cda4255f_523d3f933fecd968929232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It happens because timers don't work as you describe.
When the timer fires it is either a spurious wake-up or a proper wake-up, but likely rounded up to some internal quant that is a not a clean multiple of anything. Additionally the wake-up is is possibly coalesced so different things might happen before your event gets activated.
Hence, the sane thing to do is to is:
t1 = now.
delay = 250ms
sleel(250ms)
t2 = now
ack.delay = (t2 - t1) / unit_multiplier.
If you do not do that, any rounding errors is dwarfed by assumptions on time precision.

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@kazuho approved this pull request.

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#1994 is now closed as well, so I don't believe there's anything left to do here. @tatsuhiro-t do you think anything needs to be done?

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The rtt sample that would result would not go lower than min_rtt, so it would only be 4.4ms if the min_rtt was <=4.4ms.

Good point. Thank you for pointing that out. Though I'd assume that having +-12% jitter between RTT samples would be common.

@mikkelfj Thank you for the clarification. I now see the confusion. I think I should have said "1ms granularity clock" rather than "timer". Does that make things clear?

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I just suggested this change the other day, because I had the same issue. In particular, talking about the multiple push frames before introducing what push is is very awkward.

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not really, because except for rare RTOS systems used in ABS breaking systems and such, there is no such thing as a 1ms granularity. It may be that you best resolution is 1ms, but you might wake up 2500ms later after disk swap is done, or at half the expected sleep time because of some Unix signal and you don't care to rewait after that, or just general noise of kernel processes, interrupts, TLB misses, etc. Of course, the smaller the RTT the more critical this gets. For 25ms the chance of staying within a few percentage reasonable.

I still think the float16 approach is better. It takes all the guessing out be introducing an exponent per timestamp, and it can be decoded in a few nanoseconds.

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not really, because except for rare RTOS systems used in ABS breaking systems and such, there is no such thing as a 1ms granularity. It may be that your best resolution is 1ms, but you might wake up 2500ms later after disk swap is done, or at half the expected sleep time because of some Unix signal and you don't care to rewait after that, or just general noise of kernel processes, interrupts, TLB misses, etc.

While I agree with that, I think it is unrelated to the discussion here. Because that issue exists in any code, including #2670 (comment). I am saying that the value returned by now is in milliseconds.

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----==_mimepart_5cd462e67fafe_55313f9b0cecd95c9179c8-- From nobody Thu May 9 10:34:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF60612004A for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:34:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pzQtuyxfUJcs for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3882312003E for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 10:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 10:33:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557423238; bh=3SxUFYXh4iLlSxwwYSQa0N0ZGd3sKWoSDZOu1KCYto0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LnBKx806jLH58K1wbE16d5EfUWUWaMhj6Eiz52p5WuMFVibmpSOuwn6kBHuecBwwX kqWWFYmRQS914LD7QPWKCoclVqVoUF28699TcKqfOj9FzaJ7k5KUNLa796Gt0K5fW9 BvSGETjOGOHOvJe5s77i91cTzmsgubgCtQxCN7mg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd464861b24b_4fe23f91a30cd9648107c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 17:34:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd464861b24b_4fe23f91a30cd9648107c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, yes, you will never get it better than now resolution. But that resolution is much higher than ms if you use timespec_get calls. https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/chrono/timespec_get It is more likely you get thrown by page cache misses. But sure, systems differ. All I'm saying is that if you are able, and can be bothered, exponents do not loose additional precision after computing a time delta. That said, I'd only call now occasionally because it can be expensive, so there you immediately loose precision. But that might be 300ns, not 1ms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-490996306 ----==_mimepart_5cd464861b24b_4fe23f91a30cd9648107c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Well, yes, you will never get it better than now resolution. But that resolution is much higher than ms if you use timespec_get calls. https://en.cppreference.com/w/c/chrono/timespec_get
It is more likely you get thrown by page cache misses. But sure, systems differ. All I'm saying is that if you are able, and can be bothered, exponents do not loose additional precision after computing a time delta. That said, I'd only call now occasionally because it can be expensive, so there you immediately loose precision. But that might be 300ns, not 1ms.

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Just a reference to the float16 format I mentioned: https://gist.github.com/mikkelfj/64deb01b86d68f3d7aacff4b113c22d8

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(2) is covered in Section 5.4:

Due to reordering, DUPLICATE_PUSH frames or push stream data can arrive before the corresponding PUSH_PROMISE frame. When a client receives a DUPLICATE_PUSH frame for an as-yet-unknown Push ID, the request headers of the push are not immediately available. The client can either delay generating new requests for content referenced following the DUPLICATE_PUSH frame until the request headers become available, or can initiate requests for discovered resources and cancel the requests if the requested resource is already being pushed.

For (1), yes it should -- the DUPLICATE might show up first, but the implication is that the ID has already been used in a PUSH_PROMISE frame. If that would be invalid, we should be explicit that the DUPLICATE_PUSH is also invalid.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu May 9 12:01:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95054120143 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:01:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIKh1O_0L_Mj for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D9AF120110 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 12:01:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557428500; bh=5FM7PcBCAr4yub5QlwbyfqAPmhnYsR7/OuvuUDloc1w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Vhtm1HVGISxAX78zcCQeq6ojPs6L0AzwRNlSgoVhNeQZ77HhUSNb8KooJ80ho9RS7 8iiOOGFhg0QTLnJCuV0zRjcZzdUa2EmZpEHBQfpLGuLKOyN1d9rdKA3OmIGXKqnAHT RKEEU4ky+pjY3lOTa71On5ra3grHvNy7jg87Lpag= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd47914daa73_6b8d3ffa0b8cd968107422"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 19:01:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd47914daa73_6b8d3ffa0b8cd968107422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @rmarx Thank you for your comments and for the fantastic research (maybe I should have said this earlier)! I think we are really discussing two issues here: a) how the server should behave when the client does not provide priority information at all, and b) when priority information is not available due to a packet loss. To resolve both the issues (I do share the concerns), maybe we should better have two different issues opened for each. For _b_ (which IIUC is the original topic of this issue), I would argue the following. As a general statement, mis-prioritization happens until the lossed packet is retransmitted and received. Therefore, the impact is small. That said, if the client uses Firefox-like prioritization scheme (i.e. grouped by placeholders), it is fair to assume that unresolvable nodes appear only during the very early stages of the connection. During that time, there is higher probability of receiving a request that should be given higher priority than than the precedence requests (i.e. request for CSS arriving after request for HTML). That's very different from what you see in later moments (i.e. requests for things like images and async javascript files arrive, that require lower priority). If the client uses Chrome-like prioritization scheme (i.e. daisy chaining), I now think that we should recommend the client to send a PRIORITY frame on the request stream to specify the parent node, _and also transmit the same information by sending a PRIORITY frame on a control stream_, then sending another PRIORITY frame to indicate that a sibling is converted to a child of the newly created node. By transmitting the same information on both streams, the server would never see an unresolvable node in the prioritization tree. So why not recommend clients do that, instead of trying to figure out how the server should compensate for the lack of the information? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@rmarx Thank you for your comments and for the fantastic research (maybe I should have said this earlier)!

I think we are really discussing two issues here: a) how the server should behave when the client does not provide priority information at all, and b) when priority information is not available due to a packet loss. To resolve both the issues (I do share the concerns), maybe we should better have two different issues opened for each.

For b (which IIUC is the original topic of this issue), I would argue the following.

As a general statement, mis-prioritization happens until the lossed packet is retransmitted and received. Therefore, the impact is small.

That said, if the client uses Firefox-like prioritization scheme (i.e. grouped by placeholders), it is fair to assume that unresolvable nodes appear only during the very early stages of the connection. During that time, there is higher probability of receiving a request that should be given higher priority than than the precedence requests (i.e. request for CSS arriving after request for HTML). That's very different from what you see in later moments (i.e. requests for things like images and async javascript files arrive, that require lower priority).

If the client uses Chrome-like prioritization scheme (i.e. daisy chaining), I now think that we should recommend the client to send a PRIORITY frame on the request stream to specify the parent node, and also transmit the same information by sending a PRIORITY frame on a control stream, then sending another PRIORITY frame to indicate that a sibling is converted to a child of the newly created node. By transmitting the same information on both streams, the server would never see an unresolvable node in the prioritization tree. So why not recommend clients do that, instead of trying to figure out how the server should compensate for the lack of the information?

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PS. My bad, the solution for the Chrome-like prioritization scheme only works when inserting one node in the middle of the chain, but does not work when the client wants to insert multiple nodes at once. I really think we should discourage clients creating many daisy-chained objects at once...

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----==_mimepart_5cd47b21b68aa_5df73fa6412cd96412049a-- From nobody Thu May 9 12:29:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8000F120131 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tztAbypFH5On for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3181A1200F4 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 12:29:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557430193; bh=29uEBcLExMQzj+iBfb8GDNNLlyBScGBJ6yjYZ1v0Lko=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=izbUiwHnu8pF6kmmfbW4SoZFC5ID+CPVGOSSrqjFKHq2pKDIbQRzxWEmvl52HEUps 4KegJmqXumMmnjPAiemmg2jKUQqHKXwAn9aypAHbhOLF4elnIYIuvtI6qnONJeBDXt rx+WKfisUh66mrPl9K4EYnSIfyPDqD8pFL30V1BA= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd47fb125778_498d3fcf6eccd96827116a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 19:29:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd47fb125778_498d3fcf6eccd96827116a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the timer is run in milliseconds and the expression of the value is in microseconds (which is what we will commonly have), it's natural to have a 10^x exponent rather than a 2^x exponent, since systems typically use SI units for time, which are always powers of 10 (same as bandwidth, which are also expressed as powers of 10). While I appreciate that multiplication can be slightly slower than shifting, I don't think this one cost per ack is going to figure anywhere. Multiplication is a more natural fit here, and I don't expect it to be a significant change, in code or in performance. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-491035282 ----==_mimepart_5cd47fb125778_498d3fcf6eccd96827116a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If the timer is run in milliseconds and the expression of the value is in microseconds (which is what we will commonly have), it's natural to have a 10^x exponent rather than a 2^x exponent, since systems typically use SI units for time, which are always powers of 10 (same as bandwidth, which are also expressed as powers of 10). While I appreciate that multiplication can be slightly slower than shifting, I don't think this one cost per ack is going to figure anywhere.

Multiplication is a more natural fit here, and I don't expect it to be a significant change, in code or in performance.

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----==_mimepart_5cd47fb125778_498d3fcf6eccd96827116a-- From nobody Thu May 9 12:41:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71F11200F4 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOF7rxo7SMBG for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29F8C120025 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 12:41:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557430900; bh=gSYGF5TpzAv1odchkOTLCiu0XD60L7bZ66w8XBnrdEg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dvfvnUoT46z0EVsUUh6EsBzXZX6GXR4jJwmtI7UdWYi7zBkFwbbYIisFFuUR3KL9w UBNorwEPs773XeOm7dDCpymgWw9r4d7TejyawxWrRHIoTVYoZM5jvq7V0nbdTwRzCJ 5vaQ4TBI8zeFR3tRhDufREXRyKZgmN9YQNB4kMmE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd482742799a_3b2d3f91300cd964886cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 19:41:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd482742799a_3b2d3f91300cd964886cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chrome is only doing indefinitely longs lists because H2 doesn't have strict priorities. With strict priorities, everything becomes simpler. Discouraging super-long lists is the wrong direction from an optimal browser/app loading perspective. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491038822 ----==_mimepart_5cd482742799a_3b2d3f91300cd964886cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Chrome is only doing indefinitely longs lists because H2 doesn't have strict priorities. With strict priorities, everything becomes simpler.

Discouraging super-long lists is the wrong direction from an optimal browser/app loading perspective.

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While I agree that response serialization is beneficial for some types of resources (e.g., for JavaScript, because each file cannot be executed until the entire file is being received), it is my understanding that response serialization of images - the most common type of resource being fetched - is a bad idea, because it goes against progressive rendering.

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Patrick Meenan knows more about this than I do, but I think the ability to evenly round robin between resources at a given priority value is sufficient, given that's what he recently proposed in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2019JanMar/0073.html

I have a hard time imagining a browser that would be able to pick a better weight than equal weighting for images.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1086,25 +1097,44 @@ before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  A client will be unable
 to decrypt 1-RTT packets from the server, whereas a server will be able to
 decrypt 1-RTT packets from the client.
 
-However, a server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT protected packets
-before verifying either the client Finished message or - in the case that the
-server has chosen to use a pre-shared key - the pre-shared key binder (see
-Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}).  Verifying these values provides the server with
-an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the state of the
+client:
+
+- The client is not authenticated, unless the server has chosen to use a
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see
+Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}.
+- The client has not demonstrated liveness.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients do not
+send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}).
+Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT
+packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive after
+a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting
+reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted with
+1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Probe
+Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a 1-RTT packet.  A server
+MAY discard 0-RTT keys earlier if it determines that it has received all 0-RTT
+packets, which can be done by keeping track of packet numbers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -an assurance that the ClientHello has not been modified.  Packets protected with
+Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a server after receiving the first
+handshake messages from a client, it is missing assurances on the client state:
+
+- The client is not authenticated, unless the server has chosen to use a
+pre-shared key and validated the client's pre-shared key binder; see
+Section 4.2.11 of {{!TLS13}}.
+- The client has not demonstrated liveness.
+- Any received 0-RTT data that the server responds to might be due to a replay
+attack.
+
+Therefore, the server's use of 1-RTT keys is limited before the handshake is
+complete.  A server MUST NOT process data from incoming 1-RTT
+protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete.  Because
+sending acknowledgments indicates that all frames in a packet have been
+processed, this means that a server cannot send acknowledgments for 1-RTT

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Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for +removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets. Older keys +can be discarded. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause +packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly delayed. Fixed -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r282659127 ----==_mimepart_5cd491b41124b_408e3ff1c90cd960172641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1145,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former,
+another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for
+removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets.  Older keys
+can be discarded.  Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause
+packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly delayed.

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Getting JavaScript and CSS "right" tends to have more of an impact on the initial page render and app interaction (faster first paint) even though there are fewer of them than images. Interlacing images works well for progressive image formats but not for, say, SVG's (though those tend to be tiny - PNG's on the other hand can be huge).

IMHO, an optimal ordering looks something like this:

  • Serialize the CSS and blocking JS in the head
  • Load the visible images in parallel (simple round robin)
  • Serialize async (and late-body) JS and load them in parallel with non-visible images. The non-visible images might be better to serialize in document order for long-scroll pages instead of loading ALL of them in parallel

If you're going to pick a default, a sequential list works much better than parallel, otherwise you get all of the images stealing bandwidth from the CSS/JS and delaying the initial render. The downside in that case is images loading one at a time instead of concurrently but it's much better than the no-render case.

Discovering when something is "visible" changes over time which is the main reason reprioritization is critical.

As far as late-loading high-priority resources go, Fonts are probably the clearest example since they are not discovered until layout and by the time they are discovered they are needed pretty much immediately to render the text.

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This resolves #2581. Now that we pad the payload to ensure sufficient header protection sample size, QUIC can use all of the cipher suites defined in the TLS 1.3 spec. Note that this PR also removes AEAD_AES_256_CCM because that is not defined in TLS 1.3 and I believe it was mentioned here by mistake.

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@pmeenan Thank you for the insights. I think we all agree on what the optimal ordering is.

I think there are three questions:

  • How important is it to have serialization within the blocking assets? It is beneficial to deliver blocking JavaScript files one by one rather than doing RR among them, because giving the client to execute some JavaScript_ files earlier helps. However, the question is how much it helps, because I'd assume that in the common case a browser cannot render anything until all the blocking JavaScript files arrive.
  • How important is it to have strict serialization between blocking assets vs. images, compared to having 256n:1 distribution where N is the number of blocking assets (i.e. the Firefox approach).
  • If we consider either of the above two to be important enough that daisy-chaining is necessary, there'd be chance of having small mis-prioritization windows due to packet loss (the topic of this issue), not only at the very beginning of the connection but every time more than one request is inserted per one RTT. Is that something we need to fix?

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Some edits to the beginning of the draft based on an RFC7540 read-through.

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If they download in parallel then all of the execution gets batched up after they finished downloading. "Strict" serialization between blocking and images may not be necessary as long as the ratios are high enough that it is "effectively" serialized. If I recall, the Firefox tree weights the split between groups as 200:100 (for non leader/follower) which isn't enough to pull off effective serialization but it can certainly be done with something like the Firefox tree. If each group could be tagged as round-robin vs serialized it could eliminate the need to build a deeper tree. Small windows are fine, it's all best-effort anyway otherwise we get HOL blocking. That said, inserting 1 resource per RTT seems like it would be a problem if the RTT's are all serialized. If the cost to boost priority was 1 RTT per resource but they could all be done in parallel it would be fine. 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Serialization within the blocking assets can help quite a bit because the download, parse and eval can be pipelined. If they download in parallel then all of the execution gets batched up after they finished downloading.

"Strict" serialization between blocking and images may not be necessary as long as the ratios are high enough that it is "effectively" serialized. If I recall, the Firefox tree weights the split between groups as 200:100 (for non leader/follower) which isn't enough to pull off effective serialization but it can certainly be done with something like the Firefox tree. If each group could be tagged as round-robin vs serialized it could eliminate the need to build a deeper tree.

Small windows are fine, it's all best-effort anyway otherwise we get HOL blocking. That said, inserting 1 resource per RTT seems like it would be a problem if the RTT's are all serialized. If the cost to boost priority was 1 RTT per resource but they could all be done in parallel it would be fine. Something like a 200-resource page with a 100ms RTT is 20 seconds to prioritize all of them.

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----==_mimepart_5cd4a404d8216_6bb23fd9994cd9681351f2-- From nobody Thu May 9 16:12:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BE01201EE for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 16:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aX9PCAW2yrsp for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDC4A1200DE for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 16:12:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557443522; bh=xIWPH/isZ+iQbLZl80Fa6K/BLU3X6AV8rQpu9fdBC+o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QX4gPQcoD2XleZ/dIeJ9CIjbht+vpR3Ohxw6G+xEfEaYpPp3i4sirgsAzQhSXNhQO 4IVftTUOgD+J7jo6od6SiJKXoYAWwy340C9gkDT2f6MO9Vy0IISaoeG5SbRcD9deO/ Pm3lzyJtzedduSwo1K2stvG2yde6DP1leN6wy3Os= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change error codes from 16-bit to varints (#2680) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd4b3c2793fc_685d3fb8f82cd9689847f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 23:12:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd4b3c2793fc_685d3fb8f82cd9689847f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson requested changes on this pull request. Two relatively important things here. > @@ -5550,7 +5554,7 @@ The initial contents of this registry are tabulated in {{frame-types}}. IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Error Codes" under a "QUIC Protocol" heading. -The "QUIC Transport Error Codes" registry governs a 16-bit space. This space is +The "QUIC Transport Error Codes" registry governs a 62-bit space. This space is split into two spaces that are governed by different policies. Values with the I think that we want to crib from the frame types (or other varint registries) when it comes to policies. There isn't really a "first byte" any more. > @@ -5456,7 +5460,7 @@ ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server. IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Parameters" under a "QUIC Protocol" heading. -The "QUIC Transport Parameters" registry governs a 16-bit space. This space is You overdid it here. It's still 16 for transport parameters. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2680#pullrequestreview-235865595 ----==_mimepart_5cd4b3c2793fc_685d3fb8f82cd9689847f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Two relatively important things here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5550,7 +5554,7 @@ The initial contents of this registry are tabulated in {{frame-types}}.
 IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Error Codes" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
-The "QUIC Transport Error Codes" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is
+The "QUIC Transport Error Codes" registry governs a 62-bit space.  This space is
 split into two spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values with the

I think that we want to crib from the frame types (or other varint registries) when it comes to policies. There isn't really a "first byte" any more.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5456,7 +5460,7 @@ ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server.
 IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Parameters" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
-The "QUIC Transport Parameters" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is

You overdid it here. It's still 16 for transport parameters.

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Thank you for the answers. Your observations sound right to me.

If each group could be tagged as round-robin vs serialized it could eliminate the need to build a deeper tree.

That's definitely one way going forward, though I think we'd lose the ability to express certain types of trees that can be represented in HTTP/2.

If the cost to boost priority was 1 RTT per resource but they could all be done in parallel it would be fine.

This would be the case. And the cost is incurred only when there is a packet loss. To be precise, there would be 1 RTT penalty to synchronize the prioritization tree for every loss event of a packet carrying PRIORITY frame.

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This would be the case. And the cost is incurred only when there is a packet loss. To be precise, there would be 1 RTT penalty to synchronize the prioritization tree for every loss event of a packet carrying PRIORITY frame.

That wouldn't be a problem at all. You'd likely get more interruption than that in HTTP/2 if a TCP packet anywhere near a PRIORITY frame got dropped anyway.

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That wouldn't be a problem at all. You'd likely get more interruption than that in HTTP/2 if a TCP packet anywhere near a PRIORITY frame got dropped anyway.

Yeah. That's definitely a good and conservative way to think of the issue. And I presume that such perception would lead to what @rmarx has suggested in #2502 (comment); i.e. assign the lowest possible precedence to requests that have yet-to-be-known priority.

I think I now agree with @rmarx that that could be the recommendation, if we are to recommend something in the specification.

That said, I think I would try to let the server "guess" the correct priority, because doing better than HTTP/2 when packet loss is involved is the primary motivation of doing HTTP/3, and therefore my preference goes to clarifying in the specification that such fiddling is allowed, if we are to recommend something.

One way of making such a guess would be to check the content-type of the response. Another way would be to use the "weight" of the request stream (even though it is unknown how it is connected to the root of the prioritization tree).

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----==_mimepart_5cd4e49a9558e_3fd53f84544cd96c12182f-- From nobody Thu May 9 22:41:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C71C120169 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 22:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sz4cSCSmlmfP for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 22:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D669312015D for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 22:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 22:40:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557466856; bh=rIeQCEUZUxgFXQ3wlH5A0fpz3c1DqAdLUL/8Ho2iAVk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A25DGxUaSRbl5YyRVBKS/Q2MKNAjgguqKViedTmHlh8rzSEvg1UGvcNEzqwlvNV2i dkbkTt0EbEahbwCxsWxIGnON1D1GJMuJv0PQjnzhNaQMaRQOqBUgFmtlieTE3PN1lF 9zVkAHIQlz/KiO5JcQWQDGiR31KvXvQ13YlpaeMo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pull some H2 content into the introduction (#2683) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd50ee87b648_3cb03faaafecd968263489"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 05:41:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd50ee87b648_3cb03faaafecd968263489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -88,28 +88,100 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 was a TCP mapping which used whitespace-delimited text fields to convey Past tense may not be appropriate as it is still in active use in a few places. > @@ -88,28 +88,100 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 was a TCP mapping which used whitespace-delimited text fields to convey +HTTP messages. While these exchanges were human-readable, the whitespace led to +parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior. +Because each connection could be used only for a single HTTP request and +response at a time, multiple parallel TCP connections were used, reducing the That is not true. Pipelining is a thing. > QUIC is described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For a full description of HTTP/2, see -{{!RFC7540}}. - - -## Notational Conventions +{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}. + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client Can be > + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. + +Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with +each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream. Streams are largely +independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers packet loss +does not prevent progress on other streams. But progress of other streams can when flow credits are exhausted. > + endpoint is discovered and a connection is established. +- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams + are used. +- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on + most streams. +- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP + semantics are expressed using frames. +- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are + terminated, either gracefully or abruptly. +- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be + added in future documents. +- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and + expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole. + +Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that +protocol in {{h2-considerations}}. With that protocol? HTTP/1.1? > + and receive HTTP responses. + +connection: +: A transport-layer connection between two endpoints, using QUIC as the + transport protocol. + +connection error: +: An error that affects the entire HTTP/3 connection. + +endpoint: +: Either the client or server of the connection. + +frame: +: The smallest unit of communication within an HTTP/3 connection, consisting of + a header and a variable-length sequence of octets structured according to the + frame type. It may be worth noting that frames can span mutiple packets unlike QUIC frames. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2683#pullrequestreview-235928570 ----==_mimepart_5cd50ee87b648_3cb03faaafecd968263489 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -88,28 +88,100 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
 HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These
 semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and
-HTTP/2.  HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency
-without modifying the transport layer.  However, TCP's lack of visibility into
-parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains.
+HTTP/2.  HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC.
+
+## Prior versions of HTTP
+
+HTTP/1.1 was a TCP mapping which used whitespace-delimited text fields to convey

Past tense may not be appropriate as it is still in active use in a few places.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -88,28 +88,100 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
 HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These
 semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and
-HTTP/2.  HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency
-without modifying the transport layer.  However, TCP's lack of visibility into
-parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains.
+HTTP/2.  HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC.
+
+## Prior versions of HTTP
+
+HTTP/1.1 was a TCP mapping which used whitespace-delimited text fields to convey
+HTTP messages.  While these exchanges were human-readable, the whitespace led to
+parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior.
+Because each connection could be used only for a single HTTP request and
+response at a time, multiple parallel TCP connections were used, reducing the

That is not true. Pipelining is a thing.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 QUIC is described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  For a full description of HTTP/2, see
-{{!RFC7540}}.
-
-
-## Notational Conventions
+{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}.
+
+# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview
+
+HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol
+and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2.
+
+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once a client

Can be

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once a client
+knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC
+connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and
+flow control.
+
+Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
+({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
+and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
+({{request-response}}).  Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY
+are used to managed the overall connection.
+
+Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with
+each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream.  Streams are largely
+independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers packet loss
+does not prevent progress on other streams.

But progress of other streams can when flow credits are exhausted.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +  endpoint is discovered and a connection is established.
+- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams
+  are used.
+- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on
+  most streams.
+- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP
+  semantics are expressed using frames.
+- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are
+  terminated, either gracefully or abruptly.
+- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be
+  added in future documents.
+- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and
+  expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole.
+
+Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that
+protocol in {{h2-considerations}}.

With that protocol? HTTP/1.1?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +  and receive HTTP responses.
+
+connection:
+: A transport-layer connection between two endpoints, using QUIC as the
+  transport protocol.
+
+connection error:
+: An error that affects the entire HTTP/3 connection.
+
+endpoint:
+: Either the client or server of the connection.
+
+frame:
+: The smallest unit of communication within an HTTP/3 connection, consisting of
+  a header and a variable-length sequence of octets structured according to the
+  frame type.

It may be worth noting that frames can span mutiple packets unlike QUIC frames.

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@martinthomson is the "proposal" here that it's a dup?

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The endpoint is now officially allowed to limit the number of connection ID to issue by #2428 and I'm satisfied with it.

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@gorryfair would you please create separate issues for these?

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Section 9.4 contains a mixture of transport (handling migration, setup, etc) and congestion control functions (choice of path parameters - RTO, window, etc).

The abstract suggests that these are a part of QUIC Recovery ID, which seems correct to me. So, I would like to discuss if these are intentionally a part of the transport spec, rather than the Loss Detection & Congestion Control Spec.?

Specifically, para 1,2 : "... SHOULD NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path." and "... SHOULD immediately reset ...." - Where the ID could note whatever transport implementors need to be aware of, but point normatively to the QUIC Recovery ID for RFC2119 language.

Para 3: "An endpoint MUST NOT return to the send rate..." seems a reasonable thing to note, but also, I think, should point to QUIC Recovery ID.

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Thanks Mike, this is a great improvement > QUIC is described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For a full description of HTTP/2, see -{{!RFC7540}}. - - -## Notational Conventions +{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}. + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client typically discovered? Or may be discovered? > + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. PRIORITY is used to manage the streams more than the connection > +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. + +Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with +each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream. Streams are largely ```suggestion each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream. Streams are ``` If you want to explain the QPACK caveat, I'd do that explicitly and/or separately. But the streams themselves are independent and non-HoL blocking. > +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. + +Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with +each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream. Streams are largely +independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers packet loss +does not prevent progress on other streams. + +Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}} which permits +a server to push a request-response exchange to a client in anticipation of the +client making the indicated request. This trades off network usage against a +potential latency gain. Several HTTP/3 frames are used to manage server push, +such as PUSH_PROMISE, DUPLICATE_PUSH, and CANCEL_PUSH. You list almost all of them, any reason not to list all of them? > + {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Where frames from {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} are referenced, the + frame name will be prefaced with "QUIC." For example, "QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE + frames." References without this preface refer to frames defined in + {{frames}}. + +peer: +: An endpoint. When discussing a particular endpoint, "peer" refers to the + endpoint that is remote to the primary subject of discussion. + +receiver: +: An endpoint that is receiving frames. + +sender: +: An endpoint that is transmitting frames. + +server: nit: I'd put this right after client > @@ -1774,7 +1898,7 @@ removed. Because stream termination is handled by QUIC, an END_STREAM flag is not required. This permits the removal of the Flags field from the generic frame layout. -Frame payloads are largely drawn from {{!RFC7540}}. However, QUIC includes many +Frame payloads are largely drawn from {{!HTTP2}}. However, QUIC includes many This section is quite long. The changes to priority are substantial, so I'd break them out in their own sub-section. > @@ -1742,7 +1866,7 @@ assigned by IANA. --- back -# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 +# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 {#h2-considerations} HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities. This section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important Below "HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 primarily where necessary to accommodate the differences in behavior between QUIC and TCP (lack of ordering, accommodate the support for streams)." I'd tweak this to be more along the lines of "We changed it when we thought a new design was better, with particular focus on taking advantage of QUIC's lack of head of line blocking" to reflect the state we're in today. Don't take my suggestion verbatim, but I think that's the concept? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2683#pullrequestreview-235847760 ----==_mimepart_5cd52fe62b665_67f83fe8ae6cd960169298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks Mike, this is a great improvement

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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+and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2.=0D
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+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once =
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typically discovered? Or may be discovered?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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+=0D
+HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport =
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+and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2.=0D
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+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once =
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+Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame=0D=

+({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example,=
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PRIORITY is used to manage the streams more than the connection

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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+({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example,=
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If you want to explain the QPACK caveat, I'd do that explicitly and/or= separately. But the streams themselves are independent and non-HoL bloc= king.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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+Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction,=
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+Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}} which=
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You list almost all of them, any reason not to list all of them?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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nit: I'd put this right after client

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Now that I've started a PR to combine the crypto handshake timer and PTO, I'm concerned I chose the wrong fix for #2640 in this PR, and it would be better to allow PING in Initial.

In the existing PTO case when there are bytes in flight, but nothing to send, we say "When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer."

If we allow PING in Initial, that text will work fine with a combined timer, since all Initials must be in padded datagrams. Otherwise, combining them adds a slightly odd special case.

@janaiyengar I'd like your thoughts on this in particular.

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----==_mimepart_5cd5336e9090b_7d173f7e726cd95c5715b9-- From nobody Fri May 10 01:29:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E340120198 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 01:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DFXU85o1us1V for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 01:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2782012017A for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 01:29:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557476950; bh=wFrZbC74EeLxKo/N2oci3/oB0a9gO9Nsr3/taGlHv1c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tY1gt6rEtW+HfzNQw7EJxDL6RYzhA4U/4WcKZ8AoTwr8ktPH7IAxsZX7Cpv9YQUIL SlJS87h7TJOyg1/P5NkumHVhfy0RQE8dwq7FlFeZjGSvNFE5glsAhDJb5EGzN3El+k P2jxd7DSt6BUWJz2GzjkunLBv0NiiuYOk6tzpnB0= From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] CC state after a change of path? (#2685) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd536561898d_52b63f9cba2cd96830809a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 08:29:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd536561898d_52b63f9cba2cd96830809a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think a normal transport assumption is that a change of path implies a = (potential) loss of congestion state, and that the endpoint should reset = the path CC parameters. =0D =0D Transport-ID: =E2=80=9COn confirming a peer's ownership of its new addres= s, an endpoint=0D SHOULD immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip=0D time estimator for the new path.=E2=80=9D=0D =0D =E2=80=A2 Does the "reset" require setting the CC to the initial window v= alue for a connection? I think so.=0D =E2=80=A2 Why not MUST? =0D =0D Transport-ID: =E2=80=9CAn endpoint MUST NOT return to the send rate used= for the previous=0D path unless it is reasonably sure that the previous send rate is=0D valid for the new path. =E2=80=9C=0D =0D This could therefore be seen as a =E2=80=9Csignificant=E2=80=9D departure= from conventional approaches considered safe - and extends this to =E2=80= =9Creasonably sure=E2=80=9D. =0D =E2=80=A2 Is there a rationale for extending this to =E2=80=9Creasonably = sure=E2=80=9D, because this seems bolder than permitted for a new TCP con= nection. How do people quantify reasonably sure, and why not just in this= case grow from the Initial window? =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2685= ----==_mimepart_5cd536561898d_52b63f9cba2cd96830809a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think a normal transport assumption is that a change of path implies= a (potential) loss of congestion state, and that the endpoint should res= et the path CC parameters.

=0D

Transport-ID: =E2=80=9COn confirming a peer's ownership of its new add= ress, an endpoint
=0D SHOULD immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip
=0D time estimator for the new path.=E2=80=9D

=0D

=E2=80=A2 Does the "reset" require setting the CC to the initial windo= w value for a connection? I think so.
=0D =E2=80=A2 Why not MUST?

=0D

Transport-ID: =E2=80=9CAn endpoint MUST NOT return to the send rate u= sed for the previous
=0D path unless it is reasonably sure that the previous send rate is
=0D valid for the new path. =E2=80=9C

=0D

This could therefore be seen as a =E2=80=9Csignificant=E2=80=9D depart= ure from conventional approaches considered safe - and extends this to =E2= =80=9Creasonably sure=E2=80=9D.
=0D =E2=80=A2 Is there a rationale for extending this to =E2=80=9Creasonably = sure=E2=80=9D, because this seems bolder than permitted for a new TCP con= nection. How do people quantify reasonably sure, and why not just in this= case grow from the Initial window?

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Closing as invalid (because it's effectively a duplicate). Thanks.

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I made two issues: #2684 and #2685; and closed the present issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5456,7 +5460,7 @@ ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server.
 IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Parameters" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
-The "QUIC Transport Parameters" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is

I did not know that, reverted.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5550,7 +5554,7 @@ The initial contents of this registry are tabulated in {{frame-types}}.
 IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Error Codes" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
-The "QUIC Transport Error Codes" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is
+The "QUIC Transport Error Codes" registry governs a 62-bit space.  This space is
 split into two spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values with the

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Defining "under-utilised cwnd", seems conceptually the right thing, but we struggled with that term and the term "fully utilized the congestion window" when writing RFC7661, because ACKs can arrive in bursts and apps can do their work in bursts: Does that mean it's more than some threshold for some period time?

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"Bursting more than an intial window=E2=80=99s worth of data into the = network might cause short-term congestion and losses."
=0D =E2=80=A2 Is that really "more than...", I think the evidence was that a = larger IW (as in QUIC) can lead to congestion.
=0D =E2=80=A2 We could explain burst size and scenarios, or could simply say = something like:
=0D "Bursting an initial window=E2=80=99s worth of data into the network can = cause short-term congestion and losses for some path conditions."
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I think we should address this in PR #2675

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----==_mimepart_5cd54c4c3659_6e633fb1302cd96090182-- From nobody Fri May 10 03:08:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909FC12022E for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 03:08:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KJHiItUJeQ9t for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 03:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAF8F1201DE for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 03:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 03:08:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557482917; bh=kcslfBXYogL4m13z4qGB5WgvxPXcax9lvpwAiWXvE30=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=veVlcic4fAs/iYzzy7DmvPoCtrJLULTeqUw+VlWUZlIBUUoBMvOC8tBLv2yNtU9UA LTh9z06WNFVruxYvHvzOYq3sZGu4TaUUWeM27Q5G75TegnMROZKsxBc+GYTn8B8+Hg 2/D9DP3XvwD2cGW5tdaySUOGtqOITKCLSGQxyfqo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pacing when under-utilizing the Congestion Window (#2686) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd54da5a61b8_66f3f98f1ecd96013813b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:08:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd54da5a61b8_66f3f98f1ecd96013813b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linux pacing has an initial burst of 10 packets, followed by pacing, so this is intended to allow for that style of sending. In which case, I think "more than" is the right term? I think the evidence you have in mind is some data presented early on that pacing + IW32 had lower losses than no pacing and IW10? That gap largely is driven by the large initial burst out of quiescence without pacing, which would be mitigated by sending a 10 packet burst and pacing the rest(or doing some form of slow start after idle). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2686#issuecomment-491236249 ----==_mimepart_5cd54da5a61b8_66f3f98f1ecd96013813b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Linux pacing has an initial burst of 10 packets, followed by pacing, so this is intended to allow for that style of sending. In which case, I think "more than" is the right term?

I think the evidence you have in mind is some data presented early on that pacing + IW32 had lower losses than no pacing and IW10? That gap largely is driven by the large initial burst out of quiescence without pacing, which would be mitigated by sending a 10 packet burst and pacing the rest(or doing some form of slow start after idle).

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Fixes #2644

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The intent of persistent congestion is to capture cases like what you're describing, where new data is sent right before the PTO expires, causing it to never fire, but no forward progress is being made.

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To make discussion easier, I've made a small diagram: ![exclusivity_problems](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2240689/57520389-d36ea380-731d-11e9-825a-106553366ef3.png) In S5 you can see that such a scheme would create a circular dependency for a (short) time. I've been considering it further and these are possible options that do seem to work and might be better: - Add as child to the root with weight 1 instead of 16 - Add as child to the "least important placeholder" with weight 1 (e.g., the placeholder receiving the least bandwidth) if there are placeholders, if not: fallback to root. (this assumes placeholders always remain and always have some path back up to the root) - Add as child to the currently "most important resource" (resource receiving most bandwidth): non-optimal and can lead to weird situations, BUT at least prevents the most important resource from being interrupted (e.g., in the example, this would add the red node as child of the HTML, since that is the one getting the bandwidth). We could also do all three (first try placeholder, then try resource, then fall back to root). This could use a fair amount more of working out the edge cases though --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then, I took a step back and thought about: do we really need exclusive priorities? The main goal is to keep the option to daisy-chain resources. This is still possible today: just add as a child to another resource. What we miss with non-exclusivity is the option to then re-prioritize when a new, more important resource needs to be inserted in the daisy-chain (it cannot be injected somewhere in the middle as an only child, only as a sibling, see also the HIGHEST-subtree in P3 and P4 in the image below for a similar situation). As I understand it though, this re-prioritization is **not needed within similarly important resources** (e.g., CSS does not have to necessarily overtake Fonts, just images). Using that, I've tried to cobble together a new scheme that simulates Chrome's approach using what we have available today (see P2 in the image below): ![exclusivity_light](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2240689/57521628-18480980-7321-11e9-8aa9-842d62744fc3.png) This setup allows re-prioritization between the placeholders, but **not** within the same "importance bucket": less fine-grained than exclusive priorities, but quite workable. (e.g., in P4+5, CSS is discovered later, after the image. However, due to the placeholders, it can be added and is sent before the images, but NOT before the font, as was the case in HTTP/2's P3). Put differently: we cannot have P3, but at least P5 is not P4. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In conclusion: - Fairly small updates to the default behavior could give us most of the improvements we are looking for - Daisy-chaining and re-prioritization (within a certain degree of granularity) is still possible in the current scheme -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513 ----==_mimepart_5cd5571289c5a_7c683fb57a6cd9688883c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Again, thanks everyone for the interesting discussion and Pat for weighing in :)

I've been thinking about it a bit more and have found that my earlier suggestion "add as direct child of the last added node (could be root) with weight 1" simply does not work...

To make discussion easier, I've made a small diagram:
exclusivity_problems

In S5 you can see that such a scheme would create a circular dependency for a (short) time.

I've been considering it further and these are possible options that do seem to work and might be better:

  • Add as child to the root with weight 1 instead of 16
  • Add as child to the "least important placeholder" with weight 1 (e.g., the placeholder receiving the least bandwidth) if there are placeholders, if not: fallback to root. (this assumes placeholders always remain and always have some path back up to the root)
  • Add as child to the currently "most important resource" (resource receiving most bandwidth): non-optimal and can lead to weird situations, BUT at least prevents the most important resource from being interrupted (e.g., in the example, this would add the red node as child of the HTML, since that is the one getting the bandwidth).

We could also do all three (first try placeholder, then try resource, then fall back to root).
This could use a fair amount more of working out the edge cases though

Then, I took a step back and thought about: do we really need exclusive priorities?
The main goal is to keep the option to daisy-chain resources. This is still possible today: just add as a child to another resource.
What we miss with non-exclusivity is the option to then re-prioritize when a new, more important resource needs to be inserted in the daisy-chain (it cannot be injected somewhere in the middle as an only child, only as a sibling, see also the HIGHEST-subtree in P3 and P4 in the image below for a similar situation).

As I understand it though, this re-prioritization is not needed within similarly important resources (e.g., CSS does not have to necessarily overtake Fonts, just images).
Using that, I've tried to cobble together a new scheme that simulates Chrome's approach using what we have available today (see P2 in the image below):
exclusivity_light

This setup allows re-prioritization between the placeholders, but not within the same "importance bucket": less fine-grained than exclusive priorities, but quite workable. (e.g., in P4+5, CSS is discovered later, after the image. However, due to the placeholders, it can be added and is sent before the images, but NOT before the font, as was the case in HTTP/2's P3).

Put differently: we cannot have P3, but at least P5 is not P4.

In conclusion:

  • Fairly small updates to the default behavior could give us most of the improvements we are looking for
  • Daisy-chaining and re-prioritization (within a certain degree of granularity) is still possible in the current scheme

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I've been thinking about it a bit more and have found that my earlier suggestion "add as direct child of the last added node (could be root) with weight 1" simply does not work...

I think what you are looking for might be a weight=0 node belonging to the root, that is given bandwidth only when there are no active nodes with a positive weight. When a server has a node that cannot be resolved, it is assigned to the weight=0 node, and then it would naturally be given the least precedence.

Internal representation of the prioritization tree does not need to restricted by the vocabulary defined by the specification.

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No new normative text, but clarifies that if the server wants the client to process a connection close, it may have to send one in Initial and Handshake.

Came up in discussion on #2541

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri May 10 04:04:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FF812004E for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 04:04:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lem76KXdOf-I for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 04:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB800120026 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 04:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 04:04:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557486269; bh=0GDSlAp1YEMLRG3jrHbmacUvNinzTbbOHyN8S1xjeX8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Tb6iJL9jYD2ZPi/iI+Hb+iTeangadyPdV+R+7yO75XB1lN663brXi7t16bvenODOv 1pA2sQqiDOIh5HqmvM7DV72x3I/4zE/ZM0ZZL8AboiPI8rrNP0gmOKWGQ3vUbY7vx8 j8AfUuGCbqhjwOsNU9oFyk+f6ArSlHWY3SJnXrCM= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd55abdd27c8_63e83fd9066cd96825766"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 11:04:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd55abdd27c8_63e83fd9066cd96825766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho I agree. IIUC that's the first new option I am alluding to (use weight 1 instead of 16 (implementation could use weight "0" internally)). My previous suggestion was to add it as a child of the "last added node", which is what I mean doesn't work, as it creates potential cyclic dependencies (see S5) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491250321 ----==_mimepart_5cd55abdd27c8_63e83fd9066cd96825766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I agree. IIUC that's the first new option I am alluding to (use weight 1 instead of 16 (implementation could use weight "0" internally)).

My previous suggestion was to add it as a child of the "last added node", which is what I mean doesn't work, as it creates potential cyclic dependencies (see S5)

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----==_mimepart_5cd55abdd27c8_63e83fd9066cd96825766-- From nobody Fri May 10 04:22:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB832120072 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 04:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5XdNg3aCmxDH for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E326120026 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 04:22:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557487340; bh=aqLK+VgqMdRrjPqKDooux/snmrU3TdJsT1hj1lcVTy8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zJ1zWjrzgjyyQKg/zQ7Um+qiN7axEqn4+FCKTOYQ+WfbwO9Ucm7Jyn/Tic6/1cGLo +0l4AsFmf38mvgcYgFabei2/+X7r3IQ61hP0q4V31klG0cfWO9Vn+ITGj+jCoeiXt7 Ev5OkDS/ZorTWC5FLe4uzoLzSLK/TdAdYC5oA1B0= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PRIORITY frame on control stream referencing unopened request stream (#2502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd55eec8800b_36153f8ee7ecd960391cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 11:22:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd55eec8800b_36153f8ee7ecd960391cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would not be too much effort to add something that says approximately, for the current scheme: "The priority tree always has a root and and one 0-weight placeholder (the zeroth placeholder)". Then we modify one of the paragraphs to say: "When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight of 16 and a default dependency. Requests are dependent on the zeroth placeholder, placeholders are dependent on the root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent." If some other prioritisation scheme were come into play, just replace "dependency" by prioritisation group, or whatever term you like. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491254708 ----==_mimepart_5cd55eec8800b_36153f8ee7ecd960391cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think it would not be too much effort to add something that says approximately, for the current scheme:

"The priority tree always has a root and and one 0-weight placeholder (the zeroth placeholder)".

Then we modify one of the paragraphs to say:

"When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight of 16 and a default dependency. Requests are dependent on the zeroth placeholder, placeholders are dependent on the root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent."

If some other prioritisation scheme were come into play, just replace "dependency" by prioritisation group, or whatever term you like.

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Ah, my reading of the text led me in a different direction - I think we can now talk.

( I know Google shared data on IW10 and also later on other IW proposals. I also think I have seen other analysis that suggested that a larger IW can have an impact - IW10, or larger - can have collateral damage to flows sharing a bottleneck. In this case, because there is no ACK-clocking. )

Could I propose describing limiting the max burst size and enabling pacing for any remaining packets sent above this using the remaining (cwnd-max_burst). My reading is that the current text sets the max_burst size to IW. That is certainly one choice, and could be an upper limit. I am less clear that IW (the startup cwnd) should always be the same as the maximum burst size. Some SCTP implementation uses 4 packets, and I suspect that there could be cases where someone proposed a larger IW, but retained a max_burst that is lower than the increased IW.

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I think making IW the max burst size, rather than the recommended burst size is sensible. I've certainly seen real-world traces where bursting 4 packets would not have caused loss, but 10 did.

Text suggestions on the PR very welcome.

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LGTM for the most part. A few minor suggestions. > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY ```suggestion in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY ``` > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake +keys. In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send +a CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards +Initial keys as soon as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, +they can be coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. ```suggestion they can be coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}). ``` > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake +keys. In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send +a CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards +Initial keys as soon as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, ```suggestion Initial keys as soon as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, ``` > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake +keys. In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send Should `has` be `SHOULD`? If you're going to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE then you want it to be received. If the server isn't certain the client has the handshake keys, it really should send both, IMO. > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake The `but not know` reads a little weird to me for some reason. Perhaps something along the lines of `but not be certain the client does.`? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2688#pullrequestreview-236111152 ----==_mimepart_5cd583b7a1319_683c3fb579ccd968194185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks approved this pull request.

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LGTM for the most part. A few minor suggestions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be=0D=

-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.=0D
+in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it M=
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 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send=
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I think this is a good addition to the document. I left a few minor comments and suggestions. > This document defines a mapping of HTTP semantics over the QUIC transport -protocol, drawing heavily on the design of HTTP/2. This document identifies -HTTP/2 features that are subsumed by QUIC, and describes how the other features -can be implemented atop QUIC. +protocol, drawing heavily on the design of HTTP/2. While delegating stream +management and flow control issues to QUIC, a similar binary framing is used on what does the term stream management mean in this case? In some perspectives, QUIC doesn't manage much other than ensuring the stream arrives and is presented in-order at the other end (as explained elsewhere in this doc). > -## Notational Conventions +{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}. + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses ```suggestion and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses ``` > +client: +: The endpoint that initiates an HTTP/3 connection. Clients send HTTP requests + and receive HTTP responses. + +connection: +: A transport-layer connection between two endpoints, using QUIC as the + transport protocol. + +connection error: +: An error that affects the entire HTTP/3 connection. + +endpoint: +: Either the client or server of the connection. + +frame: +: The smallest unit of communication within an HTTP/3 connection, consisting of I know this comes from HTTP/2 but one could argue that frames are not the smallest unit in HTTP/3. > + {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Where frames from {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} are referenced, the + frame name will be prefaced with "QUIC." For example, "QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE + frames." References without this preface refer to frames defined in + {{frames}}. + +peer: +: An endpoint. When discussing a particular endpoint, "peer" refers to the + endpoint that is remote to the primary subject of discussion. + +receiver: +: An endpoint that is receiving frames. + +sender: +: An endpoint that is transmitting frames. + +server: disagree, the order is lexical and mirrors the ordering of terms in RFC 7540 > @@ -922,10 +1046,10 @@ implementation chooses. ## HTTP Message Exchanges {#request-response} -A client sends an HTTP request on a client-initiated bidirectional QUIC -stream. A client MUST send only a single request on a given stream. -A server sends one or more HTTP responses on the same stream as the request, -as detailed below. +A client sends an HTTP request on a client-initiated bidirectional QUIC stream. +A client MUST send only a single request on a given stream. A server sends zero +or more non-final HTTP responses on the same stream as the request, followed by +a single final HTTP response, as detailed below. :+1: > @@ -1742,7 +1866,7 @@ assigned by IANA. --- back -# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 +# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 {#h2-considerations} HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities. This section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important Based on the evidence, the design changes seem to be motivated because we lost something we had, not because we are taking advantage of some new ability. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2683#pullrequestreview-236135667 ----==_mimepart_5cd58d946298d_5a8b3fc9b84cd968659d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@LPardue requested changes on this pull request.

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I think this is a good addition to the document. I left a few minor co= mments and suggestions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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what does the term stream management mean in this case? In some perspe= ctives, QUIC doesn't manage much other than ensuring the stream arrives a= nd is presented in-order at the other end (as explained elsewhere in this= doc).

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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I know this comes from HTTP/2 but one could argue that frames are not = the smallest unit in HTTP/3.

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disagree, the order is lexical and mirrors the ordering of terms in RF= C 7540

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Unlike HTTP/3 settings, receipt of duplicated transport parameters must be treated as an error:

                                                    An endpoint MUST
   treat receipt of duplicate transport parameters as a connection error
   of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.

Why the inconsistency?

The checks for duplicated transport (or settings) parameters are expensive, because one has to maintain an arbitrarily-sized set of possibly large numbers.

I propose we switch the duplicate transport parameters enforcement to "MAY treat as error."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake
+keys.  In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send
+a CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards
+Initial keys as soon as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent,
+they can be coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.

Well, it both minimizes the number of datagrams and makes retransmission easier. I'll update it with more verbose text about why this can facilitate retransmission.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake
+keys.  In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send
+a CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards
+Initial keys as soon as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent,

I believe we've been using one space in this doc?

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If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake +keys. In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send I tend to agree, but I was attempting to write non-normative text. I'll change that and see how it reads. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake
+keys.  In order to guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it has to send

I tend to agree, but I was attempting to write non-normative text. I'll change that and see how it reads.

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----==_mimepart_5cd5928e74200_57a53febb06cd960589f1-- From nobody Fri May 10 08:05:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2B4120119 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 08:05:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCtALT17h1Ja for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 08:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 283EE1200EC for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 08:05:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557500710; bh=URfRUVtgZliO6r9MJniIemdqn3rfltzopYQIm92EpvU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hVF+G6IlUgvw3ouAPKvh9rrnEAh8Dx+hrb4WOwyukrbN4kGCCY7wER1ANkS54HtTX 8dPa4BrtZ3x+YIY8JHx71UvLARLPXF0Tu3FDl18lke8pSRNp2Hlhiy5R0hfcbOYBIO HKXm5lh9y6lJM7ZXlkInJNH06IyY8K9yzj6sN6HA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify server CONNECTION_CLOSE with Handshake (#2688) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd59326265d5_12193fd4eb6cd96490613"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 15:05:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd59326265d5_12193fd4eb6cd96490613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake Rewritten -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2688#discussion_r282923067 ----==_mimepart_5cd59326265d5_12193fd4eb6cd96490613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it MAY
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server can have Handshake keys but not know that the client has Handshake

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For consistency you probably want to update HTTP too, e.g. there are some references to 16-bit error code there too

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-20#section-10.5

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If we're going to create a placeholder that a) doesn't count toward the placeholder limit b) can't be reprioritized and c) has an impossible-to-express weight, it would be a new special construct. I'm almost tempted to give it index -1 so that it can't be directly referenced, to further emphasize that it's special.

(As an aside, I was kind of disappointed the proposal to allow zero-weight dependencies with these semantics didn't get any traction back in HTTP/2.)

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This is the new default dependency. As a result, resources with unknown initial priority will briefly get low priority instead of briefly getting high priority and disrupting actual high-priority resources. If we're going to have a zero-weighted placeholder, it makes sense to allow zero-weighting in general, so I added that at the same time. Also filled a few editorial gaps in the priority section (mostly concepts assumed from H2 that aren't explicitly stated) since I noticed them while working on this. Can separate those out if this doesn't get traction. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2690 -- Commit Summary -- * Placeholder -1 * Dependency on unknown -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (54) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2690.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2690.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes #2502 by creating a "special" placeholder that's always a zero-weight child of the root. This is the new default dependency. As a result, resources with unknown initial priority will briefly get low priority instead of briefly getting high priority and disrupting actual high-priority resources.

If we're going to have a zero-weighted placeholder, it makes sense to allow zero-weighting in general, so I added that at the same time. Also filled a few editorial gaps in the priority section (mostly concepts assumed from H2 that aren't explicitly stated) since I noticed them while working on this. Can separate those out if this doesn't get traction.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2690

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +cannot be reprioritized.  The structure of the dependency tree changes as
+PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between other prioritized elements.
+
+All dependent streams are allocated an integer weight between 0 and 255
+(inclusive).
+
+Streams with the same parent SHOULD be allocated resources proportionally based
+on their weight.  Thus, if stream B depends on stream A with weight 4, stream C
+depends on stream A with weight 12, and no progress can be made on stream A,
+stream B ideally receives one-third of the resources allocated to stream C.
+
+A weight of zero indicates that no resources should be allocated to the
+indicated stream if progress can be made on other streams dependent on the same
+parent.
+
+A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated as a

If I read this correctly, if I reference stream 10 in a priority frame for stream 100 and you've removed all state for 10, 100 gets no resources whatsoever until all other requests finish?

That seems awful, so I must be missing something.

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These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 was a TCP mapping which used whitespace-delimited text fields to convey +HTTP messages. While these exchanges were human-readable, the whitespace led to +parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior. +Because each connection could be used only for a single HTTP request and +response at a time, multiple parallel TCP connections were used, reducing the Kind of. Where it works, you're still sending a single request at a time and a single response at a time (i.e. they're sent serially); you're just able to start sending the next request before the previous response has been sent. > This document defines a mapping of HTTP semantics over the QUIC transport -protocol, drawing heavily on the design of HTTP/2. This document identifies -HTTP/2 features that are subsumed by QUIC, and describes how the other features -can be implemented atop QUIC. +protocol, drawing heavily on the design of HTTP/2. While delegating stream +management and flow control issues to QUIC, a similar binary framing is used on State machine, flow control, ID allocation.... > QUIC is described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For a full description of HTTP/2, see -{{!RFC7540}}. - - -## Notational Conventions +{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}. + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client Pending the discussion on https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/194; once that discussion settles on core text to describe finding candidate ports and protocols from a URI, this will change to reflect it. Currently, this document describes Alt-Svc as the only discovery mechanism and the rest proceeds from the assumption that you somehow discovered the port was there. > + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. I can try to wordsmith a little more. It's used to manage the allocation of connection resources amongst the streams, not to manage the lifetime of any particular stream/request. > +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. + +Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with +each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream. Streams are largely +independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers packet loss +does not prevent progress on other streams. + +Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}} which permits +a server to push a request-response exchange to a client in anticipation of the +client making the indicated request. This trades off network usage against a +potential latency gain. Several HTTP/3 frames are used to manage server push, +such as PUSH_PROMISE, DUPLICATE_PUSH, and CANCEL_PUSH. ```suggestion such as PUSH_PROMISE, DUPLICATE_PUSH, MAX_PUSH_ID, and CANCEL_PUSH. ``` > + endpoint is discovered and a connection is established. +- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams + are used. +- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on + most streams. +- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP + semantics are expressed using frames. +- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are + terminated, either gracefully or abruptly. +- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be + added in future documents. +- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and + expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole. + +Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that +protocol in {{h2-considerations}}. I'm struggling to see how the antecedent of "that protocol" is unclear here. > @@ -1742,7 +1866,7 @@ assigned by IANA. --- back -# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 +# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 {#h2-considerations} HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities. This section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important We've gotten a little stretchy in places, but we've been explicitly trying to stay out of the "improve on HTTP/2 in ways unrelated to QUIC" game. (Some fixes to the more egregious gaps in prioritization are the primary exception.) I'm trying to reflect that aspiration, though you're correct that we might want to reflect the stretchiness a bit as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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+are used to managed the overall connection.=0D
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I can try to wordsmith a little more. It's used to manage the allocat= ion of connection resources amongst the streams, not to manage the lifeti= me of any particular stream/request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTT=
P/3 communication is a frame=0D
+({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example,=
 HEADERS=0D
+and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and resp=
onses=0D
+({{request-response}}).  Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and =
GOAWAY=0D
+are used to managed the overall connection.=0D
+=0D
+Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction,=
 with=0D
+each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream.  Streams are l=
argely=0D
+independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers pack=
et loss=0D
+does not prevent progress on other streams.=0D
+=0D
+Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}} which=
 permits=0D
+a server to push a request-response exchange to a client in anticipation=
 of the=0D
+client making the indicated request.  This trades off network usage agai=
nst a=0D
+potential latency gain.  Several HTTP/3 frames are used to manage server=
 push,=0D
+such as PUSH_PROMISE, DUPLICATE_PUSH, and CANCEL_PUSH.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-such as PUSH_PROMISE, DUPLICATE_PUSH, and CAN=
CEL_PUSH.=0D
+such as PUSH_PROMISE, DUPLICATE_PUSH, MAX_PUSH_ID, and CANCEL_PUSH.=0D
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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> +  endpoint is discovered and a connection=
 is established.=0D
+- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC s=
treams=0D
+  are used.=0D
+- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used =
on=0D
+  most streams.=0D
+- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP=
=0D
+  semantics are expressed using frames.=0D
+- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections =
are=0D
+  terminated, either gracefully or abruptly.=0D
+- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities c=
an be=0D
+  added in future documents.=0D
+- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled=
 and=0D
+  expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a wh=
ole.=0D
+=0D
+Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with t=
hat=0D
+protocol in {{h2-considerations}}.=0D
=0D

I'm struggling to see how the antecedent of "that protocol" is unclear= here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> @@ -1742,7 +1866,7 @@ assigned by IANA.=0D=

 =0D
 --- back=0D
 =0D
-# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2=0D
+# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 {#h2-considerations}=0D
 =0D
 HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities.  Thi=
s=0D
 section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out import=
ant=0D
=0D

We've gotten a little stretchy in places, but we've been explicitly tr= ying to stay out of the "improve on HTTP/2 in ways unrelated to QUIC" gam= e. (Some fixes to the more egregious gaps in prioritization are the prim= ary exception.) I'm trying to reflect that aspiration, though you're cor= rect that we might want to reflect the stretchiness a bit as well.

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-: A 16-bit application protocol error code (see {{app-error-codes}}) whi=
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-  indicates why the stream is being closed.=0D
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Two uses of "indicat[e|ing]" in the same sentence might not flow so we= ll.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -4579,8 +4580,8 @@ Stream ID:=0D
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-: A 16-bit, application-specified reason the sender is ignoring the stre=
am (see=0D
-  {{app-error-codes}}).=0D
+: A variable-length integer carrying the application-specified reason th=
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Whatever word you choose at 4540, use it here too.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri May 10 12:25:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0095A120172 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 12:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7UOuvsIbhNM for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 12:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1360E12011E for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 12:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 12:25:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557516336; bh=o1yNJ9IVp+NmrLl9EgwDunwa8ltrgyfwJEDlFsnsWHw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A3KAhcWo+wQcq1UkQpJkPzmKz1yAq9VjxgTe6LIy9DfjRDxv4ExKTN9//la4GdQLA V3+vCGAXt0xaefZOlgr1bgVsO9lo9x42wgKvFpG8vlj1Ima2nh52vKapdkhYqx7Q1W mK+pyeVkEQe2FP9TOf10xmy8cXoOyR15XV4q0ylE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change error codes from 16-bit to varints (#2680) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd5d030c6c93_c423fc1258cd9642520d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 19:25:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd5d030c6c93_c423fc1258cd9642520d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > Registrations MUST include the following fields: Value: : The numeric value of the assignment (registrations will be between 0x0000 and - 0xfeff). + 0x3fff). I took this from adjacent text "QUIC Frame Type Registry": https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-22.2 I'm honestly now sure what the correct value is, but I think we should be consistent? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2680#discussion_r283014079 ----==_mimepart_5cd5d030c6c93_c423fc1258cd9642520d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Registrations MUST include the following fields:
 
 Value:
 
 : The numeric value of the assignment (registrations will be between 0x0000 and
-  0xfeff).
+  0x3fff).

I took this from adjacent text "QUIC Frame Type Registry": https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-22.2

I'm honestly now sure what the correct value is, but I think we should be consistent?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Registrations MUST include the following fields:
 
 Value:
 
 : The numeric value of the assignment (registrations will be between 0x0000 and
-  0xfeff).
+  0x3fff).

Actually, you had it right, because the range is subdivided above in the text you also borrowed from Frame Types.

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Thanks Mike, I think I fixed all your suggestions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -88,28 +88,100 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
 HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These
 semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and
-HTTP/2.  HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency
-without modifying the transport layer.  However, TCP's lack of visibility into
-parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains.
+HTTP/2.  HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC.
+
+## Prior versions of HTTP
+
+HTTP/1.1 was a TCP mapping which used whitespace-delimited text fields to convey
+HTTP messages.  While these exchanges were human-readable, the whitespace led to
+parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior.
+Because each connection could be used only for a single HTTP request and
+response at a time, multiple parallel TCP connections were used, reducing the

I'm doing that, processing multiple requests concurrently on different backends and streaming the responses back in order.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -521,6 +521,10 @@ is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 500ms,
 resulting in a 1 second initial handshake timeout as recommended in
 {{?RFC6298}}.
 
+A new path on an existing connection MAY use the delay between sending a

can you fix this sentence? the path does not use the delay

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This still misses an important question: when a sender goes to increase the congestion window (upon receiving an ACK), what does it do? Should it not increase the cwnd because inflight < cwnd? There's discussion in #2554 which is still relevant to this. > @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully utilized the congestion window without pacing delay. -Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might -cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use -pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses. ```suggestion creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses. ``` > @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully utilized the congestion window without pacing delay. -Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might -cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use -pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses. +Implemementations SHOULD either use pacing or reduce their congestion window ```suggestion Implementations SHOULD either use pacing or reduce their congestion window ``` > @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully utilized the congestion window without pacing delay. -Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might -cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use -pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses. I don't think this description of burst is necessary though. It doesn't help with #2686, if that's what you were trying to address. I would drop this, but I realized that the existing statement is potentially misleading in what it says. (more discussion on this in #2686) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2675#pullrequestreview-236344073 ----==_mimepart_5cd608c8e0cbf_670a3fccf06cd96c1901f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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This still misses an important question: when a sender goes to increas= e the congestion window (upon receiving an ACK), what does it do? Should = it not increase the cwnd because inflight < cwnd? There's discussion i= n #2554 which is still relevant to this.

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I don't think this description of burst is necessary though. It doesn'= t help with #2686, if that's what you were trying to address. = I would drop this, but I realized that the existing statement is potentia= lly misleading in what it says. (more discussion on this in #2686<= /a>)

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@gorryfair : That is a question. Maybe we can get away from that by saying that a sender only increases its cwnd if it knows that it was fully utilized since the last cwnd change? Meaning that at some point since the last cwnd change, inflight >= cwnd happened at least once.

I have a separate question, one that was being discussed in #2554, and I think is still left open. If we need the entire cwnd to be used before increasing it, we lose out on 1 RTT of growth during slow start. Both Windows and Linux TCP compensate for this by doing something like increase it when > 1/2 cwnd is used... we need to write something here that's at least as performant, and not just "when inflight >= cwnd".

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----==_mimepart_5cd60a14e998b_1783fd4c30cd960613d5-- From nobody Fri May 10 17:25:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CD61200B1 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 17:24:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjtsL3IW20XF for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 17:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21B751206C5 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 16:35:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557531319; bh=/qsV2egmTa15r4yBd3pcp1Y63ecpaG+ol6nliA+EHpw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DXkEJwPqGy/cPqDHruMrdS3vm7J1tlQDXnv+xLmGgEhF27ND7hNLgg1kYiQreXPPr aN20tUTaD/ydrr301X6P35LL6Xxs7tNEJ/CU5wBwoSw4X7ONKUqNDf+qPEkNdo9yz8 7N+KEUQOxkpnPd+O4bVBSqwWx3UwRXn2ilA2tE6Q= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pacing when under-utilizing the Congestion Window (#2686) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd60ab743732_466f3fa1452cd960151777"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 00:24:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd60ab743732_466f3fa1452cd960151777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gorryfair, I think you might be talking about a general max burst size, where the recovery draft (and @ianswett) is trying to talk about an "initial" window's size -- the size of a burst after quiescence. Is that right? I think we need to do some wordsmiting, but I want to make sure that we're talking about the same thing first. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2686#issuecomment-491457523 ----==_mimepart_5cd60ab743732_466f3fa1452cd960151777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gorryfair, I think you might be talking about a general max burst size, where the recovery draft (and @ianswett) is trying to talk about an "initial" window's size -- the size of a burst after quiescence. Is that right? I think we need to do some wordsmiting, but I want to make sure that we're talking about the same thing first.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

Nice work! LGTM module the point below.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1102,18 +1109,33 @@ that can be prioritized are:
 
 Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection
 form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root
-of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated
-as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree
-changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized
-elements.
-
-Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
-not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
-priority.
+of the tree.  The tree also contains a dedicated placeholder with index "-1"

Could we call it something else than "-1" placeholder? Maybe "orphan placeholder".

The reason I feel uncomfortable with calling it "-1" are:

  • It is not actually an index.
  • We already have a placeholder that is called by name "root".

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -538,11 +538,14 @@ MUST ensure that the crypto retransmission timer is set if there is
 unacknowledged crypto data or if the client does not yet have 1-RTT keys.
 If the crypto retransmission timer expires before the client has 1-RTT keys,
 it is possible that the client may not have any crypto data to retransmit.
-However, the client MUST send a new packet, containing only PING or PADDING
-frames if necessary, to allow the server to continue sending data. If
-Handshake keys are available to the client, it MUST send a Handshake packet,
-and otherwise it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least
-1200 bytes.
+However, the client MUST send a new packet, containing only PADDING frames if
+necessary, to allow the server to continue sending data. If Handshake keys
+are available to the client, it MUST send a Handshake packet, and otherwise
+it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes.
+
+Because packets only containing PADDING do not elicit an acknowledgement,
+they may never be acknowledged, but they are removed from bytes in flight
+when the client gets Handshake keys and the Initial keys are discarded.

Suggested rewording:
"Because the server will eventually discard Initial and Handshake keys, and because packets containing only PADDING frames do not elicit an acknowledgement, it is possible that no acknowledgement is ever received for these additional packets. They are however eventually removed from the count of bytes in flight when the client discards the corresponding keys (see {{discarding-keys}})."

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@ianswett: Good catch! It's useful to go back to the principle we have in place: if we want a PTO running, we need to have an ack-eliciting packet outstanding. I don't think there's a strong enough argument to create an exception here, so I agree that we should change this to always sending a PING when the timer goes off and there's nothing to send.

Since the title here is quite clearly the opposite of that, in the interest of transparency, I propose that you close this PR in favor of a new one that says send PING (and stack this new PR on top of #2655).

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Sorry about the number of comments. This is unfortunate because most of the text is just moving about. My suggestion still stands -- merge this and we can fix the pending issues in subsequent PRs (which I'm happy to work on immediately after this lands). > @@ -687,6 +620,69 @@ be acknowledged or declared lost. Initial secrets however might be destroyed sooner, as soon as handshake keys are available (see Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). +## PTO for Crypto Packets + +The initial PTO SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT or 1 second if no +initial RTT is available as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}. + +Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of +data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged +CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted. If no data can be +sent, then no alarm should be armed until data has been received from the ```suggestion sent, then no alarm is needed for loss detection or recovery until data has been received from the ``` > @@ -1217,12 +1213,6 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer(): time_of_last_sent_crypto_packet + timeout) return - // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets - // in flight. - if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight): - loss_detection_timer.cancel() - return - Revert this change. Why does this check need to be removed? > @@ -687,6 +620,69 @@ be acknowledged or declared lost. Initial secrets however might be destroyed sooner, as soon as handshake keys are available (see Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). +## PTO for Crypto Packets + +The initial PTO SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT or 1 second if no +initial RTT is available as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}. + +Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of +data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged +CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted. If no data can be +sent, then no alarm should be armed until data has been received from the +client. + +Because the server could be blocked until more packets are received, the client +MUST ensure that the crypto retransmission timer is set if there is ```suggestion MUST ensure that the PTO timer is set if there is ``` > +## PTO for Crypto Packets + +The initial PTO SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT or 1 second if no +initial RTT is available as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}. + +Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of +data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledged +CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted. If no data can be +sent, then no alarm should be armed until data has been received from the +client. + +Because the server could be blocked until more packets are received, the client +MUST ensure that the crypto retransmission timer is set if there is +unacknowledged crypto data or if the client does not yet have 1-RTT keys. +If the crypto retransmission timer expires before the client has 1-RTT keys, ```suggestion If the PTO timer expires before the client has 1-RTT keys, ``` > if (has unacknowledged crypto data || endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys): - // Crypto retransmission timer. + // Crypto retransmission deadlock timer. ```suggestion // Initial PTO. ``` > @@ -1203,10 +1199,10 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer(): // Time threshold loss detection. loss_detection_timer.update(loss_time) return - + if (has unacknowledged crypto data I think this if condition can go. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

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Sorry about the number of comments. This is unfortunate because most o= f the text is just moving about. My suggestion still stands -- merge this= and we can fix the pending issues in subsequent PRs (which I'm happy to = work on immediately after this lands).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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+## PTO for Crypto Packets=0D
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+initial RTT is available as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}.=0D
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+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the=
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+data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANS=
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+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledg=
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+CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no data=
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+sent, then no alarm should be armed until data has been received from th=
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-sent, then no alarm should be armed until dat=
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+sent, then no alarm is needed for loss detection or recovery until data =
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -1217,12 +1213,6 @@ SetLossDetectionTim=
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-  // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets=0D
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-    return=0D
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Revert this change. Why does this check need to be removed?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -687,6 +620,69 @@ be acknowledged or de=
clared lost.  Initial secrets however might be destroyed=0D
 sooner, as soon as handshake keys are available (see Section 4.10 of=0D
 {{QUIC-TLS}}).=0D
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+## PTO for Crypto Packets=0D
+=0D
+The initial PTO SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT or 1 second if no=
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+initial RTT is available as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}.=0D
+=0D
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the=
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+data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANS=
PORT}}.=0D
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledg=
ed=0D
+CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no data=
 can be=0D
+sent, then no alarm should be armed until data has been received from th=
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+client.=0D
+=0D
+Because the server could be blocked until more packets are received, the=
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+MUST ensure that the crypto retransmission timer is set if there is=0D
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-MUST ensure that the crypto retransmission ti=
mer is set if there is=0D
+MUST ensure that the PTO timer is set if there is=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> +## PTO for Crypto Packets=0D
+=0D
+The initial PTO SHOULD be set to twice the initial RTT or 1 second if no=
=0D
+initial RTT is available as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}.=0D
+=0D
+Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the=
 amount of=0D
+data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANS=
PORT}}.=0D
+If not all unacknowledged CRYPTO data can be sent, then all unacknowledg=
ed=0D
+CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets should be retransmitted.  If no data=
 can be=0D
+sent, then no alarm should be armed until data has been received from th=
e=0D
+client.=0D
+=0D
+Because the server could be blocked until more packets are received, the=
 client=0D
+MUST ensure that the crypto retransmission timer is set if there is=0D
+unacknowledged crypto data or if the client does not yet have 1-RTT keys=
.=0D
+If the crypto retransmission timer expires before the client has 1-RTT k=
eys,=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-If the crypto retransmission timer expires be=
fore the client has 1-RTT keys,=0D
+If the PTO timer expires before the client has 1-RTT keys,=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>    if (has unacknowledged crypto data=0D
       || endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):=0D
-    // Crypto retransmission timer.=0D
+      // Crypto retransmission deadlock timer.=0D
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-      // Crypto retransmission deadlock timer=
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+      // Initial PTO.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -1203,10 +1199,10 @@ SetLossDetectionTi=
mer():=0D
     // Time threshold loss detection.=0D
     loss_detection_timer.update(loss_time)=0D
     return=0D
-=0D
+    =0D
   if (has unacknowledged crypto data=0D
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I think this if condition can go.

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Yup, seems sensible to me.

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Closes #2689. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691 -- Commit Summary -- * MUST NOT appear, receiver MAY error -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (14) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691 ----==_mimepart_5cd62893dee2e_11e73fe92d0cd96452984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Changes a receiver requirement to, in Mike's words, "senders: don't do that; receivers: you're not required to police but we'd really like it if you did."

Closes #2689.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691

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If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. This needs to be only a statement of fact that describes the exception to the preceding SHOULD. "If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it sends CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet" > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to ```suggestion It is possible that an endpoint does not know whether the peer has Handshake keys. In order to ``` > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to +guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE The server can't guarantee this. (see proposed text below) > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to +guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE +in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon +as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced +(see {{packet-coalesce}}). Suggested rewording of text after the first sentence: "Under these circumstances, an endpoint SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to increase the likelihood of a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame being processed by the peer. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}})." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2688#pullrequestreview-236357458 ----==_mimepart_5cd62bde49297_39ba3fe4c22cd96812826a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5cd62bde49297_39ba3fe4c22cd96812826a-- From nobody Fri May 10 19:16:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A07120219 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 19:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WWEZPTfsJd47 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4303D1201EA for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 19:16:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557541004; bh=Ji1ZEYoxT4OhAYHrygGqebaoOB3sUcjEVhi9rwm1N+c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bbb0pcG/XVjBpu3PJBq0pdlHuvE89StSruyTPSuMcnakXYbK5/v7VUF81QesbxNr1 jfG3IXEMxuoHqjBVHEUUhaTfqokqcdvLiGKkjcG/jcn5PiEijxbUtgslj2kWtdH93C hMq7iek/kOKnMkRwlBihow3X5bWUp5+F8eTegIGo= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pull some H2 content into the introduction (#2683) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd6308c7a49f_14a3fd7a80cd96418712f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 02:16:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd6308c7a49f_14a3fd7a80cd96418712f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. a few comments > QUIC is described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For a full description of HTTP/2, see -{{!RFC7540}}. - - -## Notational Conventions +{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}. + +# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client add a reference > + +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. + +Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with maybe add a reference to streams section in draft-transport? > + endpoint is discovered and a connection is established. +- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams + are used. +- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on + most streams. +- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP + semantics are expressed using frames. +- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are + terminated, either gracefully or abruptly. +- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be + added in future documents. +- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and + expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole. + +Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that +protocol in {{h2-considerations}}. @mikkelfj : I suspect you're missing that comparison "of HTTP/3" is assumed (which is reasonable, IMO) > @@ -1742,7 +1866,7 @@ assigned by IANA. --- back -# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 +# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 {#h2-considerations} HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities. This section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important How about "HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 where QUIC's behavior differences from TCP are either beneficial or need to be accommodated (absence of linear ordering, support for framing)." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2683#pullrequestreview-236357847 ----==_mimepart_5cd6308c7a49f_14a3fd7a80cd96418712f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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a few comments

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 QUIC is described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  For a full description of HTTP/2, see
-{{!RFC7540}}.
-
-
-## Notational Conventions
+{{!HTTP2=RFC7540}}.
+
+# HTTP/3 Protocol Overview
+
+HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol
+and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2.
+
+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once a client

add a reference

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol
+and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2.
+
+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once a client
+knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC
+connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and
+flow control.
+
+Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
+({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
+and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
+({{request-response}}).  Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY
+are used to managed the overall connection.
+
+Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with

maybe add a reference to streams section in draft-transport?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +  endpoint is discovered and a connection is established.
+- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams
+  are used.
+- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on
+  most streams.
+- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP
+  semantics are expressed using frames.
+- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are
+  terminated, either gracefully or abruptly.
+- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be
+  added in future documents.
+- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and
+  expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole.
+
+Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that
+protocol in {{h2-considerations}}.

@mikkelfj : I suspect you're missing that comparison "of HTTP/3" is assumed (which is reasonable, IMO)

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1742,7 +1866,7 @@ assigned by IANA.
 
 --- back
 
-# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2
+# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2 {#h2-considerations}
 
 HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities.  This
 section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important

How about "HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 where QUIC's behavior differences from TCP are either beneficial or need to be accommodated (absence of linear ordering, support for framing)."

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Um. Ok. This is attached to an issue that is labeled transport and now has consensus declared on it with this PR. I'm fried right now, but let's discuss this before doing anything.

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Great work, @DavidSchinazi ! A bunch of comments, but only minor editorial. > @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions: Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS. +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that ```suggestion Verifying the peer's Finished provides the endpoint with an assurance that ``` > @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions: Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS. +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements ```suggestion does not complete at both endpoints simultaneously. Consequently, any requirement ``` > @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions: Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS. +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to ```suggestion that is based on the completion of the handshake is based on the perspective of the endpoint in question. ``` > @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions: Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS. +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the ```suggestion In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when the ``` > +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the +following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint ```suggestion following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the endpoint ``` > +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the +following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint +has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. This second +condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with +1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any +received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the +former, the handshake is confirmed. Suggested rephrase: "An endpoint can implement this second predicate by recording the lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys. When the largest acknowledged packet number in any received 1-RTT ACK frame matches or exceeds the recorded packet number, the handshake is confirmed." > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring ```suggestion will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow ``` The application is not ensuring anything about acks or handshake keys > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that ```suggestion both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that ``` > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send ```suggestion do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake might cause ``` Application does not send PINGs, it causes PING to be sent. MAY suggests permission, which isn't required here, you only need a statement of what might happen. > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be ```suggestion ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, to be sent, resulting in the handshake getting ``` > @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since ```suggestion A client SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it installs 1-RTT keys, since ``` > +### Discarding Handshake Keys + +An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake +keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols +will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring +that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that +do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. ```suggestion the client does not send 0-RTT encrypted packets thereafter (see {{using-early-data}}). ``` > +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients do not +send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}). +Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT +packet. However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive after +a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting +reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted with +1-RTT keys. Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Probe ```suggestion 1-RTT keys. After receiving a 1-RTT packet, servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within a short time; the RECOMMENDED time period is three times the Probe ``` > +confirmed when they are acknowledged. + + +### Discarding 0-RTT Keys + +Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since +they have no use after that moment. + +0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients do not +send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}). +Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT +packet. However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive after +a 1-RTT packet. Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting +reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted with +1-RTT keys. Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Probe +Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a 1-RTT packet. A server ```suggestion Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). A server ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1144,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. Suggest similar rewording to earlier > @@ -1116,9 +1144,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for ```suggestion Endpoints MAY limit the number of keys they retain to two sets for ``` > -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for +removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets. Older keys +can be discarded. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause +packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly reordered. +Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the ```suggestion Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update for some time after it has last updated keys; the RECOMMENDED time period is three times the PTO value. ``` > -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for +removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets. Older keys +can be discarded. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause +packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly reordered. +Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the +PTO after it has last updated keys. This avoids valid reordered packets being ```suggestion This avoids valid reordered packets being ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

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Great work, @DavidSchinazi ! A bunch of comments, but = only minor editorial.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:=0D=

 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished me=
ssage.=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance t=
hat=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoi=
nts with an assurance that=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides the endpoint with an assurance th=
at=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:=0D=

 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished me=
ssage.=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance t=
hat=0D
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the hands=
hake=0D
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requir=
ements=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-does not complete on both endpoints simultane=
ously, therefore any requirements=0D
+does not complete at both endpoints simultaneously.  Consequently, any r=
equirement=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:=0D=

 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished me=
ssage.=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance t=
hat=0D
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the hands=
hake=0D
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requir=
ements=0D
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specifi=
c to=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-placed on endpoints based on the completion o=
f the handshake are specific to=0D
+that is based on the completion of the handshake is based on the perspec=
tive of the endpoint in question.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:=0D=

 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished me=
ssage.=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance t=
hat=0D
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the hands=
hake=0D
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requir=
ements=0D
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specifi=
c to=0D
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in que=
stion.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of=
 the=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is consid=
ered confirmed when both of the=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoi=
nt when the=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-comple=
te}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS =
stack=0D
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished me=
ssage.=0D
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance t=
hat=0D
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the hands=
hake=0D
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requir=
ements=0D
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specifi=
c to=0D
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in que=
stion.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of=
 the=0D
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endp=
oint=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-following two conditions are met: the handsha=
ke is complete and the endpoint=0D
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the end=
point=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> +Verifying the peer's Finished provide=
s endpoints with an assurance that=0D
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the hands=
hake=0D
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requir=
ements=0D
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specifi=
c to=0D
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in que=
stion.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}=0D
+=0D
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of=
 the=0D
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endp=
oint=0D
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This =
second=0D
+condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent w=
ith=0D
+1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in a=
ny=0D
+received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the=
=0D
+former, the handshake is confirmed.=0D
=0D

Suggested rephrase:
=0D "An endpoint can implement this second predicate by recording the lowest = packet number sent with 1-RTT keys. When the largest acknowledged packet= number in any received 1-RTT ACK frame matches or exceeds the recorded p= acket number, the handshake is confirmed."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protoc=
ols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensu=
ring=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-will send data after the handshake, generatin=
g acknowledgements and ensuring=0D
+will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that a=
llow=0D
=0D =0D

The application is not ensuring anything about acks or handshake keys<= /p>=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protoc=
ols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensu=
ring=0D
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoint=
s that=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-that both endpoints can discard their handsha=
ke keys promptly.  Endpoints that=0D
+both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that=
=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protoc=
ols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensu=
ring=0D
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoint=
s that=0D
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MA=
Y send=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-do not have reason to send immediately after =
completing the handshake MAY send=0D
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake mi=
ght cause=0D
=0D =0D

Application does not send PINGs, it causes PING to be sent. MAY sugges= ts permission, which isn't required here, you only need a statement of wh= at might happen.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protoc=
ols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensu=
ring=0D
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoint=
s that=0D
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MA=
Y send=0D
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be=
=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which wil=
l cause the handshake to be=0D
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, to be sent, resulting in the handsha=
ke getting=0D
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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in aband=
oning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level=0D
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protoc=
ols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensu=
ring=0D
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoint=
s that=0D
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MA=
Y send=0D
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be=
=0D
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as =
they install 1-RTT keys, since=0D
+A client SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it installs 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> +### Discarding Handshake Keys=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake =
is=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its han=
dshake=0D
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protoc=
ols=0D
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensu=
ring=0D
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoint=
s that=0D
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MA=
Y send=0D
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be=
=0D
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
+they have no use after that moment.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-they have no use after that moment.=0D
+the client does not send 0-RTT encrypted packets thereafter (see {{using=
-early-data}}).=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which=
 will cause the handshake to be=0D
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
+they have no use after that moment.=0D
+=0D
+0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients =
do not=0D
+send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}).=0D=

+Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT=
=0D
+packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive =
after=0D
+a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decr=
ypting=0D
+reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted w=
ith=0D
+1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Prob=
e=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys =
within three times the Probe=0D
+1-RTT keys.  After receiving a 1-RTT packet, servers MUST discard 0-RTT =
keys within a short time; the RECOMMENDED time period is three times the =
Probe=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> +confirmed when they are acknowledged.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys=0D
+=0D
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, si=
nce=0D
+they have no use after that moment.=0D
+=0D
+0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients =
do not=0D
+send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}).=0D=

+Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT=
=0D
+packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive =
after=0D
+a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decr=
ypting=0D
+reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted w=
ith=0D
+1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Prob=
e=0D
+Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a 1-RTT packet.  A =
server=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after re=
ceiving a 1-RTT packet.  A server=0D
+Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  A server=0D
=0D =0D =0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1144,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at =
the=0D
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packe=
t=0D
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet num=
ber=0D
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the forme=
r,=0D
+another key update can be initiated.=0D
=0D

Suggest similar rewording to earlier

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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1116,9 +1144,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate messa=
ge.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate=0D
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS a=
lert of=0D
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).=0D
 =0D
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new=
 key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at =
the=0D
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packe=
t=0D
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet num=
ber=0D
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the forme=
r,=0D
+another key update can be initiated.=0D
+=0D
+Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets f=
or=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of key=
s they retain to two sets for=0D
+Endpoints MAY limit the number of keys they retain to two sets for=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than o=
ne key update at a time.  A new key=0D
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypte=
d a=0D
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.=0D
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake i=
s=0D
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a sub=
sequent=0D
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at =
the=0D
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Is there such a thing. I'm wondering: if you use pacing, you still want to cluster your transmissions so you don't get too frequent timer interrupts unless the network adapter is capable of pacing. So how do you decide the granularity of bursts when pacing?

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In my view the point of not sending PING early is to reduce the complexity of the early packet number spaces and allow special code to handle these. The fewer types of packets and ACK's here the better. However, if PING ends up simplifying this logic, then certainly there is an argument for that. The question then is: would PING' complicate ACK logic in early packet number spaces? That would only really be the case if there were no ACK's otherwise since PING's are easy to handle.

OTOH - if it is only a matter of cleaning up two paragraphs in the spec it may not be worthwhile. An exception may be the natural thing if the PTO logic is in fact separate anyway in the different PN spaces.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +  endpoint is discovered and a connection is established.
+- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams
+  are used.
+- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on
+  most streams.
+- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP
+  semantics are expressed using frames.
+- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are
+  terminated, either gracefully or abruptly.
+- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be
+  added in future documents.
+- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and
+  expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole.
+
+Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that
+protocol in {{h2-considerations}}.

Well, understand the text, but it reads as if was written immediately after the first paragraph and then a lot of text was thrown in, end then "that protocol" stands dangling becuse it might mean either HTTP/1.1 or QUIC until you realize it cannot mean QUIC since QUIC didn't exist when HTTP/2 was written. So I merely suggest typing out HTTP/1.1 explicitly.

Also, my feedback have come across a bit grumpy, that was not the intention. I really do appreciate the extra clarifying text on this topic.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +  endpoint is discovered and a connection is established.
+- Stream Mapping and Usage ({{stream-mapping}}) describes the way QUIC streams
+  are used.
+- HTTP Framing Layer ({{http-framing-layer}}) describes the frames used on
+  most streams.
+- HTTP Request Lifecycle ({{http-request-lifecycle}}) describes how HTTP
+  semantics are expressed using frames.
+- Connection Closure ({{connection-closure}}) describes how connections are
+  terminated, either gracefully or abruptly.
+- Extensions to HTTP/3 ({{extensions}}) describes how new capabilities can be
+  added in future documents.
+- Error Handling ({{errors}}) describes how error conditions are handled and
+  expressed, either on a particular stream or for the connection as a whole.
+
+Readers familiar with HTTP/2 will find a more detailed comparison with that
+protocol in {{h2-considerations}}.

Actually I am missing that. I was assuming HTTP/1.1 but now it is HTTP/3. So yes, I think a clarification is needed.

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----==_mimepart_5cd66c83db1e_27803f8b888cd964300629-- From nobody Fri May 10 23:38:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA970120091 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 23:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4R0GATQ89EvL for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 23:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FA07120048 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 23:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 23:38:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557556731; bh=psdJsv7Kpr/YpI3Yz/kdU5/51BcAqpadgv/vcIaesOw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I/DeksfqIrvbVlgfvr7R0k5R0K31v4joaa70/EKKdadCFM8dbLytP6ArXNrGlVuJp XDxIFbCAUGoJld3yZHCyjXJW/rO38ScwVFYbfgojbDfqBsl2UUyo5J9TIQNoFx7Ucu 05TkbGH1oKQY1hyPcRG+OSQb1rZNEAInSlvrBJjE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd66dfbd36b5_706b3fe6546cd96c1510e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 06:38:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd66dfbd36b5_706b3fe6546cd96c1510e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > So, there is the byzantine generals problem > > @mikkelfj these ACKs uses the next level of keys, and that's the property that solves the two-general problem. The signal comes out of band so we don't need to rely on a given level reaching consensus Right - so the lost ACK is solved because of regular 1-RTT retransmission logic which kicks in after Handshake Complete but before Handshake Confirmed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#issuecomment-491484759 ----==_mimepart_5cd66dfbd36b5_706b3fe6546cd96c1510e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So, there is the byzantine generals problem

@mikkelfj these ACKs uses the next level of keys, and that's the property that solves the two-general problem. The signal comes out of band so we don't need to rely on a given level reaching consensus

Right - so the lost ACK is solved because of regular 1-RTT retransmission logic which kicks in after Handshake Complete but before Handshake Confirmed.

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That's a different thing - pacing shouldn't mean you can't have (smallish) bursts.

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----==_mimepart_5cd689cedbca8_41723ff1c94cd95c100756-- From nobody Sat May 11 01:47:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5666120125 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 01:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LpBR8BWhTDfu for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 01:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66E2D1200F7 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 01:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 01:47:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557564430; bh=Kb4yVcvc1pT6u1En1ManRei0MNQrKJnCZv35SebU69Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tC+coOT5gJmHIOjQbQUREaDHiBe/YBkDt8DhX7jzGK9Nk9EMLxi/G1o/FKrO7oQXX nxauoBMRYDmd7DfBuNnQ+45QPaz3OgnJwTkI9P4+5JMAPdKmYDlirwY4NSfAuX4Wgm VWfnakDV3Y5sOYkOKMhGPZRP65IAM+973h4Rtb3k= From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pacing when under-utilizing the Congestion Window (#2686) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd68c0e41b2f_12d93fe04f6cd9686326d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 08:47:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd68c0e41b2f_12d93fe04f6cd9686326d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to Jana: I think it would be a good step to first make sure we understand the same by IW - which is initial cwnd, and somewhat dependent on RTT - and a function of the capacity; and max_burst; which isn't related to RTT, but could be related to when it is helpful to "pace". As a starting point, RFC4960 recommends max_burst as 4. Would we agree for instance, largest(max_burst) <= IW? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2686#issuecomment-491492725 ----==_mimepart_5cd68c0e41b2f_12d93fe04f6cd9686326d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In response to Jana: I think it would be a good step to first make sure we understand the same by IW - which is initial cwnd, and somewhat dependent on RTT - and a function of the capacity; and max_burst; which isn't related to RTT, but could be related to when it is helpful to "pace". As a starting point, RFC4960 recommends max_burst as 4. Would we agree for instance, largest(max_burst) <= IW?

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This seems to be digging in the correct place. I think we would agree the aim of some form of cwnd-validation is to stop cwnd growth when there is no growth of inflight data by the upper layer. And I think we'd agree tussle comes when the CC is trying to expand the cwnd - because the upper layer has more data to send, but that doesn't mean cwnd was necessarily fully utilised last RTT.

When would in-flight > cwnd ?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -521,6 +521,10 @@ is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 500ms,
 resulting in a 1 second initial handshake timeout as recommended in
 {{?RFC6298}}.
 
+A new path on an existing connection MAY use the delay between sending a

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:
 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.
 
 
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:
 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.
 
 
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:
 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.
 
 
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -369,6 +369,29 @@ primary functions:
 Additional functions might be needed to configure TLS.
 
 
+### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Handshake Complete {#handshake-complete}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered complete when the TLS stack
+has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second
+condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with
+1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any
+received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
+former, the handshake is confirmed.

I think I prefer the current wording. I'm afraid the suggestion could be confusing a reader that starts searching for the definition of a "recorded packet number".

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send

The subject of this sentence is endpoints, not applications. Also, MAY is a RFC 2119 keyword, which does not suggest permission. I think the current text gives implementations an option.

MAY This word, or the adjective "OPTIONAL", mean that an item is
truly optional. One vendor may choose to include the item because a
particular marketplace requires it or because the vendor feels that
it enhances the product while another vendor may omit the same item.
An implementation which does not include a particular option MUST be
prepared to interoperate with another implementation which does
include the option, though perhaps with reduced functionality. In the
same vein an implementation which does include a particular option
MUST be prepared to interoperate with another implementation which
does not include the option (except, of course, for the feature the
option provides.)

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -724,6 +703,35 @@ This results in abandoning loss recovery state for the Initial encryption level
 and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 
+### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Discarding Handshake Keys
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
+keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
+will send data after the handshake, generating acknowledgements and ensuring
+that both endpoints can discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that
+do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
+ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
+confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients do not
+send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}).
+Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT
+packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive after
+a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting
+reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted with
+1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Probe

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+
+
+### Discarding 0-RTT Keys
+
+Clients SHOULD discard 0-RTT keys as soon as they install 1-RTT keys, since
+they have no use after that moment.
+
+0-RTT and 1-RTT packets share the same packet number space, and clients do not
+send 0-RTT packets after sending a 1-RTT packet ({{using-early-data}}).
+Therefore a server MAY discard 0-RTT keys as soon as it receives a 1-RTT
+packet.  However, due to packet reordering, a 0-RTT packet could arrive after
+a 1-RTT packet.  Servers MAY temporarily retain 0-RTT keys to allow decrypting
+reordered packets without requiring their contents to be retransmitted with
+1-RTT keys.  Servers MUST discard 0-RTT keys within three times the Probe
+Timeout (PTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a 1-RTT packet.  A server

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1144,21 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former,
+another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former,
+another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for
+removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets.  Older keys
+can be discarded.  Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause
+packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly reordered.
+Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the

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----==_mimepart_5cd7265483907_544a3f94d30cd968293633-- From nobody Sat May 11 12:45:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F02712011F for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 12:45:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QZ79ee_khPSH for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 12:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 363F3120117 for ; Sat, 11 May 2019 12:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 12:45:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557603934; bh=Rc1kC+8Q/FiEVmq5Qbl6b7fWFhOOG9+MAPqllHNUdhg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WtDSExSalISA5SCROPMgOvAqH2uRNG/6qs9jpNEnlcUHZE6EQNPA4P9PrvWy3PUIO MEFHsoYsBI/5LxK00ckxTYWA1GmUBqI31yhNEk94A4QVuaEQQvtimA9O6ux60NdFQK QsQ/zieB8sWDulI8qLX52Ohgc3WJrsyRApl2FZsY= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd7265e56eda_73e13f9b952cd95c262928"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 19:45:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd7265e56eda_73e13f9b952cd95c262928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, +another key update can be initiated. + +Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for +removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets. Older keys +can be discarded. Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause +packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly reordered. +Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the +PTO after it has last updated keys. This avoids valid reordered packets being Fixed -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r283109341 ----==_mimepart_5cd7265e56eda_73e13f9b952cd95c262928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number
+in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former,
+another key update can be initiated.
+
+Endpoints MAY limit the number of sets of keys they retain to two sets for
+removing packet protection and one set for protecting packets.  Older keys
+can be discarded.  Updating keys multiple times rapidly can cause
+packets to be effectively lost if packets are significantly reordered.
+Therefore, an endpoint SHOULD NOT initiate a key update until three times the
+PTO after it has last updated keys. This avoids valid reordered packets being

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I think the overview table in HTTP/3 section 4 should probably also include reserved frame types. This will make it clear what streams these frames can appear on.

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We've had a long standing requirement that

A SETTINGS frame MUST be sent as the first frame of each control
stream (see Section 3.2.1) by each peer

By the way I interpret this, I put a check in my implementation that doesn't permit any frame until SETTINGS is received. Am I interpreting things correctly?

It would be more consistent to allow reserved frame types to appear at any point on any stream that carries frames. However, I'm fine with this requirement as is but it means there is a little more effort needed to handle reserved frame types across streams.

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----==_mimepart_5cd869e8a5b63_17453fb5daecd9643703c0-- From nobody Sun May 12 12:00:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CB2120020 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 12:00:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OxdKZWQVxp7E for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53EA51201F8 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 12:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 12:00:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557687645; bh=62V8XE1Xr44HdTjTCsFApogNXmgB6OeV4wvMPnQsbo0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LRT7/6GfiZGkRI0V5pncME7tMJFgNxD6xDfevws3A+wve6bqEW8tyAbrzXL6ioHpW 7sFB6HzN8vQF2B6ivWHV+plXeJQjux1/DV6wfJSX3NbfX0JP24tcIrsnhPPXeuuN/t a6GnE8XGp5IcB9YtL8HUcq99mD2cIET6dpuz3M34= From: Luca Niccolini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http3: Are reserved frames allowed before SETTINGS? (#2693) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd86d5de3d2a_1b3a3fa1d38cd96c4234c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: lnicco X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 19:00:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd86d5de3d2a_1b3a3fa1d38cd96c4234c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In our implementation we are interpreting this in the same way: any frame on the control stream received before SETTINGS is a connection error. Even reserved frame types. In general the way we handle this is by discarding frame types that are forbidden rather than checking frame types that are allowed on each stream. Here is a snippet from our code. ``` ParseResult HQControlCodec::checkFrameAllowed(FrameType type) { switch (type) { case hq::FrameType::DATA: case hq::FrameType::HEADERS: case hq::FrameType::PUSH_PROMISE: return HTTP3::ErrorCode::HTTP_WRONG_STREAM; default: break; } // SETTINGS MUST be the first frame on an HQ Control Stream if (!receivedSettings_ && type != hq::FrameType::SETTINGS) { return HTTP3::ErrorCode::HTTP_MISSING_SETTINGS; } // .. and a bunch of other checks here .. ``` In this way we avoid the extra effort needed to handle reserved frame types that you mentioned, if I am reading your statement correctly. Basically, some frame types are explicitly disallowed. All other frame types are equal, reserved or non-reserved. Do you foresee an extension possibly benefiting from sending a frame before settings ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2693#issuecomment-491620307 ----==_mimepart_5cd86d5de3d2a_1b3a3fa1d38cd96c4234c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In our implementation we are interpreting this in the same way: any frame on the control stream received before SETTINGS is a connection error. Even reserved frame types.

In general the way we handle this is by discarding frame types that are forbidden rather than checking frame types that are allowed on each stream.

Here is a snippet from our code.

ParseResult HQControlCodec::checkFrameAllowed(FrameType type) {
  switch (type) {
    case hq::FrameType::DATA:
    case hq::FrameType::HEADERS:
    case hq::FrameType::PUSH_PROMISE:
      return HTTP3::ErrorCode::HTTP_WRONG_STREAM;
    default:
      break;
  }

  // SETTINGS MUST be the first frame on an HQ Control Stream
  if (!receivedSettings_ && type != hq::FrameType::SETTINGS) {
    return HTTP3::ErrorCode::HTTP_MISSING_SETTINGS;
  }
  // .. and a bunch of other checks here ..

In this way we avoid the extra effort needed to handle reserved frame types that you mentioned, if I am reading your statement correctly.
Basically, some frame types are explicitly disallowed. All other frame types are equal, reserved or non-reserved. Do you foresee an extension possibly benefiting from sending a frame before settings ?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to

I'm fairly sure server to client is the only case two connection closes may need to be sent, which is why it's written with server an client.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to
+guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE

A server can't guarantee the packet arrives, but I think sending both guarantees that if it does arrive at the client, the client can be decrypted. Am I missing something?

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----==_mimepart_5cd86e672c3_47f43ffcbb4cd9644550b1-- From nobody Sun May 12 12:35:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DB112004A for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 12:35:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTfKjGNoIDXB for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 12:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 303C0120041 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 12:35:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557689749; bh=Ezrx9iGsEdfmw9x4jn++1upE+JgQmfjAIRW5ZyUNNqQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CMnY2HFP/L9hl7jHKT1UKM4MrER87c5NPbMu238YgJkpEkkL+/hNy8OUbtAuOwsl/ 0Pd4Zss1yHMJb8NDUSHm6DK7Mh4lbzIGMbTXNz584IboyvMD2e6cL0MHFfICL6AWLB iJ2R+d1/o6nbj/YO+nX+dPWI9hJ6JYtL3sTcKsCs= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http3: Are reserved and non-core frames allowed before SETTINGS? (#2693) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd875958e4e4_47f93ffcbb4cd964561638"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 19:35:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd875958e4e4_47f93ffcbb4cd964561638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @lnicco you made me realise I asked the question wrong. This is about reserved *and* non-core frames. Section 7 says: > Implementations MUST ignore unknown or unsupported values in all extensible protocol elements. Implementations MUST discard frames ... I have no strong use case for delivering frames before SETTINGS. But I worry it falls into a slight grey area that might affect interop. I think the correct answer is that the control stream is special case and we should clarify that in Section 7. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2693#issuecomment-491622774 ----==_mimepart_5cd875958e4e4_47f93ffcbb4cd964561638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks @lnicco you made me realise I asked the question wrong.

This is about reserved and non-core frames. Section 7 says:

Implementations MUST ignore unknown or unsupported values in all
extensible protocol elements. Implementations MUST discard frames ...

I have no strong use case for delivering frames before SETTINGS. But I worry it falls into a slight grey area that might affect interop. I think the correct answer is that the control stream is special case and we should clarify that in Section 7.

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My preference goes to retaining the requirement as-is. This is the way H2 has worked, and I am not sure if there is a practical reason to change.

FWIW, we have a similar requirement for PRIORITY frame too, which I'm also fine with: A PRIORITY frame received after other frames on a request stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME (section 4.2.3).

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Ooh yeah, that's a good catch too.

We sort of have some text that captures this in section 4:

Certain frames can only occur as the first frame of a particular stream type; these are indicated in Table 1 with a (1). Specific guidance is provided in the relevant section.

We could add tweaks or further guidance to this paragraph ( in a PR that also fixes #2692) that makes things explicitly clear .

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1102,18 +1109,33 @@ that can be prioritized are:
 
 Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection
 form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root
-of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated
-as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree
-changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized
-elements.
-
-Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
-not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
-priority.
+of the tree.  The tree also contains a dedicated placeholder with index "-1"

I prefer Kazuho's idea here about "-1". Though I disagree about weight 0. HTTP/2 didn't have it, which makes this more complicated. I don't even think that you need weight 0, that's a gratuitous change in this PR. You can simply say that streams with an "orphaned" priority is not given resources until all prioritized streams are handled.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+## Retry and Version Negotiation
+
+A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another Initial
+packet, effectively restarting the connection process and resetting congestion
+control and loss recovery state, including resetting any pending timers.  Either
+packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.  Neither
+packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial.
+
+The client MAY however compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period
+from when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation
+packet is received.  The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for
+a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
+
+
+## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}

Does this really belong under a section titled "Probe Timeout"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.

I'm confused why we have a MUST and a SHOULD for the other two cases, but you're advising no normative text for the Initial case? Am I missing something?

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If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any We should also try to kill #2151 with this change: ```suggestion When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a lower packet protection level. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any ``` > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to That assumes a lot about the shape of the handshake though. If you are going to make that call, cite QUIC-TLS. > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to +guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE +in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon +as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced +(see {{packet-coalesce}}). A bigger point here is that the server also isn't sure when the client gets 1-RTT keys. We should say the same about that transition. I believe that we can rely on handshake confirmation for this transition. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to

I have in mind 17.2.2.1 in Transport: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-17.2.2.1

"A client stops both sending and processing Initial packets when it sends its first Handshake packet."

This clearly indicates that a client will almost never be processing Initial and Handshake packets at once, so if you only send one connection close, some clients will drop it. In all other cases with #2673 landed, the client and server should both still have Handshake keys even if they also have 1-RTT keys?

Is there something about TLS I'm implicitly assuming as well? I can imagine I am, but I don't know what it is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to
+guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon
+as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced
+(see {{packet-coalesce}}).

Agreed, another spot we're relying on #2673?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1102,18 +1109,33 @@ that can be prioritized are:
 
 Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection
 form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root
-of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated
-as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree
-changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized
-elements.
-
-Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
-not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
-priority.
+of the tree.  The tree also contains a dedicated placeholder with index "-1"

Clarification: my intent was to state what exactly @martinthomson recommends.

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If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to +guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE +in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon +as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced +(see {{packet-coalesce}}). I updated the text about sending 1-RTT connection closes to use Handshake confirmed, which lines up with #2673. I think that's a good fix? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2688#discussion_r283162416 ----==_mimepart_5cd8b8743ebc1_5ade3fdf378cd95c2910b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to
+guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon
+as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced
+(see {{packet-coalesce}}).

I updated the text about sending 1-RTT connection closes to use Handshake confirmed, which lines up with #2673. I think that's a good fix?

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----==_mimepart_5cd8b8743ebc1_5ade3fdf378cd95c2910b-- From nobody Sun May 12 17:29:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D8D1200F8 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRGDFa3pDlMI for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1CEE1200F4 for ; Sun, 12 May 2019 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:29:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557707380; bh=on6dDWZd2/mYHyj/7++tIIPQBcqiqzTLLxqG/M6Yf2o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rJEScRH8n7SaQ/ZVQ1kfRqw0p3AdMWMEDnfe7PKsIsOhdmVsSdHH/Knh04p8tpbCP cjf8T6UdNCK6+YxnT+H+ooGEe+ltpoKz3kK1hCVyLrHLxyQPVgdqZuU+80ljxtV5Tu bptPRlL08kv4WfMzIweHu0tc4BQm0kNQZgyUFwY8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify server CONNECTION_CLOSE with Handshake (#2688) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd8ba748b606_54b83fa4ed8cd96814701d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 00:29:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd8ba748b606_54b83fa4ed8cd96814701d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to Ahh, the two docs blur together in my mind. This is OK. I would suggest that you need to address both transitions here though. The transition to Handshake and the transition to 1-RTT have the same sort of uncertainty. > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to +guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE +in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon +as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced +(see {{packet-coalesce}}). Don't sound so uncertain :) I think that the fix is good. And we'd (collectively) be crazy if we didn't take #2673. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2688#discussion_r283162838 ----==_mimepart_5cd8ba748b606_54b83fa4ed8cd96814701d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to

Ahh, the two docs blur together in my mind. This is OK. I would suggest that you need to address both transitions here though. The transition to Handshake and the transition to 1-RTT have the same sort of uncertainty.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to
+guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon
+as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced
+(see {{packet-coalesce}}).

Don't sound so uncertain :) I think that the fix is good.

And we'd (collectively) be crazy if we didn't take #2673.

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@janaiyengar Good point about the in_flight > 1/2 CWND check in Linux. In BBR, that only applies to the first doubling of IW, and after that it's fully bandwidth based, FWIW.

We could add a similar constraint that this rule can be applied when the window was not fully used at the time of sending, but was at the time of acknowledgement as long as the window is < 2*IW?

One clear goal of mine is I don't want the handshake alone increasing the congestion window(assuming IW10 and a moderately sized handshake).

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@dtikhonov commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -521,6 +521,10 @@ is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 500ms,
 resulting in a 1 second initial handshake timeout as recommended in
 {{?RFC6298}}.
 
+A connection MAY use the delay between sending a PATH_CHALLENGE and receiving
+a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but MUST not be considered

Consider adding "the delay" -- "..., but the delay MUST not be considered..."

In the current form, the sentence suggests that the connection must not be considered an RTT sample.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -521,6 +521,10 @@ is available, or if the network changes, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 500ms,
 resulting in a 1 second initial handshake timeout as recommended in
 {{?RFC6298}}.
 
+A connection MAY use the delay between sending a PATH_CHALLENGE and receiving
+a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but MUST not be considered

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(#2694) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9946ce676b_5a703ff9d2acd96826405c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 15:59:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9946ce676b_5a703ff9d2acd96826405c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost_packet): pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) + max_ack_delay ``` `pto` is usually < 1 sec, right? ``` congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold ``` So because `kPersistentCongestionThreshold` is 3, multiplying by `pto` will result in 0 (cast to integer, since it's supposed to be a window width). Or what unit do you assume `pto` to be calculated in? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2694 ----==_mimepart_5cd9946ce676b_5a703ff9d2acd96826405c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost_packet):
        pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
          max_ack_delay

pto is usually < 1 sec, right?

        congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold

So because kPersistentCongestionThreshold is 3, multiplying by pto will result in 0 (cast to integer, since it's supposed to be a window width). Or what unit do you assume pto to be calculated in?

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I don't think you can assume integer math 1 second resolution here, if this is what you are suggesting.

Most would likely use floating point here, since that is simple and efficient. And for those who don't, computing in units of milliseconds or microseconds would make sense.

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Given max_ack_delay and other fields are in microseconds, I assumed all of this would be done in microseconds.

I can add that to the document if you can tell me where that should be stated.

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----==_mimepart_5cd99cdb2dd_51ed3f88d98cd95c143264-- From nobody Mon May 13 09:39:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973BA120135 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TL7IqFBO-jVL for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F6CC120122 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 09:39:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557765589; bh=7UhcbS9TB5BgKHOcfJEIMcpG44uBdrN0iMzjVAcCIOE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X7FTkhrQvwdvAX+CDCPQly2imyVnyOF2HXtHCXIPih7EG+vj7YA/GVYHNHrjh3DsZ F9ws3N1g7j0S6T/wEWyQVwhkBtLFBAlW5GRnZSNUL6dqsgnJqOtUYDi+Us7zfzbJO5 whd3dhiVRLyf+b5nyt+t8f8amRKmLMUn8UP0J+WI= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does InPersistentCongestion calculate a bogus value? (#2694) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd99dd52ab4_459a3f91376cd95c7286e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 16:39:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd99dd52ab4_459a3f91376cd95c7286e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also assumed microseconds. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2694#issuecomment-491897438 ----==_mimepart_5cd99dd52ab4_459a3f91376cd95c7286e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also assumed microseconds.

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I don't think it makes sense to state any particular resolution here. It ought to be clear that if your resolution does not cover your value range, you loose precision. The value range depends on circumstances.

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Well, my timestamps are doubles in seconds.

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That should work as well.

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Well, my timestamps are doubles in fractional seconds.

That shouldn't cause you problems then, unless you cast to integer naively.

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Well, the congestion_period is supposed to be in packets, so you have to scale it somehow, no?

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----==_mimepart_5cd9a1afc91c5_1fda3fe7226cd95c514b1-- From nobody Mon May 13 09:56:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA821120125 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:56:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id htmXS0B63C8k for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D28912004F for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=P6AcCZH48SYmcO3d0M6vN4BmcJk=; b=NnhCPDuNbfjj1XQm ebbpiS9157IaSvjOHGMrdtsmpl8RQdheisvbPADjSugqHi+JPXxQbNIeAbhVqaYA hjW40OMFxGJPZNe6LncYBDGVGhmMaFrQjUFm6zWpQezigqg3f/APMhSWNJAnX/Ct MUBXre3UnZetGUXk3SHBrgpcNY8= Received: by filter1495p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1495p1mdw1-28584-5CD9A1C8-2 2019-05-13 16:56:40.066342681 +0000 UTC m=+416541.566154986 Received: from github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.71]) by ismtpd0042p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xuO3zNFBRlqLkP8hpWLWow for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 16:56:39.889 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B99542027B for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 16:56:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does InPersistentCongestion calculate a bogus value? (#2694) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9a1c7894c9_47343ff1890cd96411531f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Q9op1hpeCJ3HtNj6TaS3BBPWSSpZRxTbYcS 1s/Lfcv1RNVtq1uLgeLtudrrwvCkQMvjDbIy2r1v9TUQDa5dOwMoSs9eZXWCvDbhGcl3Yjkhp4+9Ng HZia5DJSaslhNOkeXJTmePxupUiLWFu+oNEmSJWElxY2o6PqSbHkd1/3FkfcLJLTPriZT+sBfBTth6 Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 16:56:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9a1c7894c9_47343ff1890cd96411531f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or is it in time? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2694#issuecomment-491903188 ----==_mimepart_5cd9a1c7894c9_47343ff1890cd96411531f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Or is it in time?

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----==_mimepart_5cd9a1c7894c9_47343ff1890cd96411531f-- From nobody Mon May 13 09:59:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8AC120147 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4PQwSsQe_wF for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 206A112004F for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 09:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 09:58:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557766736; bh=8mf5BMgPxP7wsCAXf63ZnuEkU34X1xL3dCA36O/zobs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ASjR0cwFhAVrtGkwYStzVN5NE/xES3/VCTv6kvK5C533oRSRljH8WyjntyRWVYhMu QU9vujY+vrhe9gHpT+jRKG7ST9elh0XY/qCc7hSXHTx4X7gvU0z4fx/OAoD3ircDUR OHiiQ1o4UtsjpsBreoLXbxB9GspOLRsQU6GIwthE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does InPersistentCongestion calculate a bogus value? (#2694) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9a250170da_7d8a3fc2aeecd960142762"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 16:58:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9a250170da_7d8a3fc2aeecd960142762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd assume the congestion_period is time because a unitless factor is multiplied to pto which has a time unit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2694#issuecomment-491903943 ----==_mimepart_5cd9a250170da_7d8a3fc2aeecd960142762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd assume the congestion_period is time because a unitless factor is multiplied to pto which has a time unit.

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Ah. When I hear "window", I think "packets".

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But somehow you are right. You can view smoothed RTT as conversion unit for packets, roughly.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon May 13 10:31:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8064C120228 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p9SChb0z3xUX for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 024EE1200B5 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 10:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 10:31:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557768681; bh=TkLoGO5fgrp9qUFj6C67tgQb+Iot0T2CTk+keOBIr6k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cF6rA+2MnfocbphqmEg075S5wHUQ9aggX1RBzXEU8yjOoke/rxlrF8tq/zV9slouT rf0KdIOD5j6DAA98ei8bdeaC9Oe7yVkSZSVhtRIE/Idx1IEPkhnMREvfh8oJn8NNCL Z2FNzbsoyZQ3jbSJw7tB+bhXCnUO1sllO3xwRFSo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pull some H2 content into the introduction (#2683) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9a9e8f10fb_468e3ff102acd9641127d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 17:31:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9a9e8f10fb_468e3ff102acd9641127d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > + +An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services. Once a client +knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC +connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and +flow control. + +Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame +({{frames}}). Each frame type serves a different purpose. For example, HEADERS +and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses +({{request-response}}). Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY +are used to managed the overall connection. + +Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with +each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream. Streams are largely +independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers packet loss +does not prevent progress on other streams. Doesn't exhausted flow control credits fall under "is blocked"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+An HTTP/3 endpoint is discovered using HTTP Alternative Services.  Once a client
+knows that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC
+connection. QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and
+flow control.
+
+Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
+({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
+and DATA frames form the frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
+({{request-response}}).  Other frame types like SETTINGS, PRIORITY, and GOAWAY
+are used to managed the overall connection.
+
+Multiplexing of requests is performed using the QUIC stream abstraction, with
+each request and response consuming a single QUIC stream.  Streams are largely
+independent of each other, so one stream that is blocked or suffers packet loss
+does not prevent progress on other streams.

Doesn't exhausted flow control credits fall under "is blocked"?

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +  and receive HTTP responses.
+
+connection:
+: A transport-layer connection between two endpoints, using QUIC as the
+  transport protocol.
+
+connection error:
+: An error that affects the entire HTTP/3 connection.
+
+endpoint:
+: Either the client or server of the connection.
+
+frame:
+: The smallest unit of communication within an HTTP/3 connection, consisting of
+  a header and a variable-length sequence of octets structured according to the
+  frame type.

That's a good suggestion, but I'm not sure I want to overload what is essentially a glossary with that. I'll add that to the description of frames in general.

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Ah, now that I go back and read the pseudo-code, I understood the confusion.

Yes, IsWindowLost is a very confusing name, we should change it.

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On receipt, reserved is irrelevant -- it's just an unknown frame type. The reservation is simply to permit senders to generate unknown frame types without accidental collision to a real extension the client might support. So the question is whether "ignoring" unknown frame types means pretending that they weren't even there, and therefore the subsequent frame might still be the first frame on the stream.

I'm inclined to say no -- you take no action on a frame you don't recognize, but that doesn't mean that the next frame was the first frame.

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----==_mimepart_5cd9b0e4ad07a_4b853ff1890cd9644105df-- From nobody Mon May 13 11:05:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F901200E6 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 11:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iCZdk6TXrKuu for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70F86120021 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 11:05:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557770729; bh=7fLYjzkLvqAATTn+l6o7dImL8x5kjZsAPHmn4UROW+8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=b2OjjAbSE07BPKk2OXysvDFWMUX4FTpTI+NedntirYbF+f5EVtgLuyafEs/LwErz1 CN8qEaYWnwZxdeB0w6X/6ef3dw1ajyjxmMRlR86+vWIfNH9OBZ7IydVV4+oCqOqf4V 0t3J/dsFA4uKseHByaAaLWItJguok07YnO0Td0BI= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 884db4: Push ID limit checking in DUPLICATE_PUSH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 18:05:32 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/invalid_duplicate Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 884db42c9e06f0a6749db5fe96283e7ad6452390 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/884db42c9e06f0a6749db5fe96283e7ad6452390 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-05-13 (Mon, 13 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Push ID limit checking in DUPLICATE_PUSH From nobody Mon May 13 11:07:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EDB1200D6 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 11:07:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E35YmDUOZJSp for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A31EE120021 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 11:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 11:07:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557770823; bh=9ropck8HPS0MzyWCq+iNg2UrrIhY32W4BLF1tsy90ZI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=uAj0embms5to8x3zyFDFm+txWTB/yPLb5n2WAZj5wFL+Mpb7kpgaB5RKz0a4qDWlw iXGZVoX3dzOkAzvGqRZ/RvWqhdhGJ07WsRT6WjOG1ASANEH8gyzrVlefwakHLSOlPf RChvmrQQmfRAYCZXAolBPDftm5uLhMktywl5Havk= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 712792: Script updating gh-pages from 884db42c. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2681. Skirts the editorial/design line. Previously, DUPLICATE_PUSH referred to a Push ID in a previously-sent PUSH_PROMISE frame; that frame would have caused a connection error on arrival. This says that the error should be sent regardless of which frame arrives first. May need reconciling with #2662. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2695 -- Commit Summary -- * Push ID limit checking in DUPLICATE_PUSH * Not malformed -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2695.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2695.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2695 ----==_mimepart_5cd9b290b739b_1fb23fe7226cd95c3889e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #2681.

Skirts the editorial/design line. Previously, DUPLICATE_PUSH referred to a Push ID in a previously-sent PUSH_PROMISE frame; that frame would have caused a connection error on arrival. This says that the error should be sent regardless of which frame arrives first.

May need reconciling with #2662.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2695

Commit Summary

  • Push ID limit checking in DUPLICATE_PUSH
  • Not malformed

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I'd like to hear feedback on this particularly from people who've implemented the current error code. @dtikhonov, you nitpicked the connection to principles, but didn't express a position. @afrind, @tatsuhiro-t, I think you have the other two?

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But I want weight=3D0! =F0=9F=98=89

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More seriously, I think calling it "orphan placeholder" is more elegan= t than -1, and a negative index is a totally reasonable implementation-in= ternal way of tracking this, so done. I removed the weight=3D0 definitio= n and brought back the weight-plus-one definition.

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Fixes #2694 by renaming IsWindowLost to AreAllPacketsInPeriodLost.

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----==_mimepart_5cd9ca4cdfd4c_667e3f9d5e6cd9604155e9-- From nobody Mon May 13 12:59:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EC612023D for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 12:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L54oUptyd69y for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CFE2120099 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 12:59:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557777550; bh=ipzuDtIL6GHlKL8ErkN1A/Mi9mwr1BbRvys/wB3sKxU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Unhd7FOJnAVDKfcMl0EtqH0MwBbwoDNekLsRggYItlhHsckOpOOuXrCQIlbyp+C0v /hBFi70m3QokBlMjvdqyVNsXDAZVD05lTTZCr+RlqyIzhR2EWjTOxEl72gA1wgUXMy ExzpUsp/AVR7B/3Lim9RVNJwOC9r86oxxE9s/HF8= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Merge crypto timeout into PTO (#2655) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9cc8e47403_200a3fd346ccd9646953ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 19:59:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9cc8e47403_200a3fd346ccd9646953ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > + +## Retry and Version Negotiation + +A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another Initial +packet, effectively restarting the connection process and resetting congestion +control and loss recovery state, including resetting any pending timers. Either +packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed. Neither +packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial. + +The client MAY however compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period +from when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation +packet is received. The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for +a subsequent connection attempt to the server. + + +## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets} Agreed, this section should be promoted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2655#discussion_r283510812 ----==_mimepart_5cd9cc8e47403_200a3fd346ccd9646953ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+## Retry and Version Negotiation
+
+A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another Initial
+packet, effectively restarting the connection process and resetting congestion
+control and loss recovery state, including resetting any pending timers.  Either
+packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed.  Neither
+packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial.
+
+The client MAY however compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period
+from when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation
+packet is received.  The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for
+a subsequent connection attempt to the server.
+
+
+## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}

Agreed, this section should be promoted.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon May 13 13:21:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBE31200B9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 13:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VR4RWuY8zEFQ for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 13:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46D2012004A for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 13:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 13:21:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557778876; bh=XT2XZJYUS7pz5LczhbGKBViA1hXnpIR/ay01Yn/VCkI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AIK3+x8VDpgpRa0zqP3qdi8IGDCjgDXZPzrzCV+8m8FMvPpHs7+bhyergHp1j5Ve6 rndOFYYCdoZ2nSpyf+vLi6OuQDbUMWEj0+YnOTe+TZsqWva97r3xhvnmeZ+hnTPlRr vVYTR13cMnRt8e9km6adj361STrw6sgu5U6FJzdg= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename IsWindowLost to AreAllPacketsInPeriodLost (#2696) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9d1bc681ce_40463f9900acd9644816c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 20:21:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9d1bc681ce_40463f9900acd9644816c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suggestion taken. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5cd9d1bc681ce_40463f9900acd9644816c7-- From nobody Mon May 13 14:15:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A175120019 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 14:15:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id piZzthxRn7T8 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 471151200B9 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 14:15:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557782104; bh=0s/jDxiYqUK3Q0ya2JZ7qziYsOPxMD3g1XBv6KHM5bY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bfhP5Zs0Wa+ldD4ojzlSsd5JNQCH0+Ods8v2vg/b0JvsAxm2Hl8qJk2uEjzrdimoK 2I4eIMpsXWBrQV1xvKGBOcwphxj5HhJeyCNeE5R1Z/Q7J5iZT/jltMkRQi3ZfWQOGH KeLTPp/M9ONkrSVV4Og0fLoq8HHaMlTxas0A3Aps= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Relax requirement of detecting duplicate TPs on receiver (#2691) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9de581514a_7a7c3fd2502cd9602278ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 21:15:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9de581514a_7a7c3fd2502cd9602278ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would prefer a middle ground, where I only MUST check for TPs I support. I can manage that, but tracking 65K items for duplicates is a bit much -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691#issuecomment-491989573 ----==_mimepart_5cd9de581514a_7a7c3fd2502cd9602278ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would prefer a middle ground, where I only MUST check for TPs I support. I can manage that, but tracking 65K items for duplicates is a bit much

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Actually processing duplicates read to unpredictable behavior

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----==_mimepart_5cd9de86d7fa5_16a73fa6bf0cd9601668a5-- From nobody Mon May 13 15:05:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C905912006E for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ceiw_CjXm9V for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 15:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FCAE120006 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 15:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 15:05:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557785105; bh=eNeZbmyflCukr1Di2RFWN/1HrVoFIsedm3VfGP4FAWU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uiqeGOdXh83fsy5inGRrT2ruf6v/6umyd63mhy5huQe8gK66rMfDxwNLja1ThAEQl /wrrYNW6CzummSjUfd+Ql7l8N59jOl/+SVp4YJcCJ2CqHlYQwW00a3+yGG+b5fauqY 9mjk72Mcvgp9KlimGJs8TLMkbdyTLqRE5sJgYpNM= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be clearer about the purpose of disable_migration (#2389) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9ea112683d_30d03fef49ecd95c1349b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 22:05:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9ea112683d_30d03fef49ecd95c1349b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > what a client might expect when it continues sending packets after switching networks to a server that has disable_migration set. It is my understanding that "disable_migration set" means that packets sourced from a different IP or port are likely to be blackholed. Hence, the client SHOULD reconnect instead of attempting a connection migration. As for the servers that specified "disable_migration", they are free to blockhole packets for migrating connections or to honor connection migration (after an ordinary path validation). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2389#issuecomment-492004255 ----==_mimepart_5cd9ea112683d_30d03fef49ecd95c1349b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

what a client might expect when it continues sending packets after switching networks to a server that has disable_migration set.

It is my understanding that "disable_migration set" means that packets sourced from a different IP or port are likely to be blackholed. Hence, the client SHOULD reconnect instead of attempting a connection migration.

As for the servers that specified "disable_migration", they are free to blockhole packets for migrating connections or to honor connection migration (after an ordinary path validation).

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----==_mimepart_5cd9ea112683d_30d03fef49ecd95c1349b9-- From nobody Mon May 13 15:29:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6034F12009E for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 15:29:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2wy4UgfrzD3 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 15:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B883D120086 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 15:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 15:29:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557786540; bh=kpkbURRSV6psn6tmG4DRkb9O2rC7bEKR91i/s/9OrYw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bKmG7vXOnnnu4+xSDtKdhR1kS+OdJbMmTEZGvdCJr4M/La5G64VNWg6b93qAxxre2 bQQfe2jJiGAG/quQxfxAuMuhoGeghvTc3G2Teo4jCmc+SLrsjGvA5HwYf21Fj1wdcg ME2o7z67fw2723X+UMZjXRaTD1zm9+9eOYqJmjEs= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename IsWindowLost to AreAllPacketsInPeriodLost (#2696) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cd9efacbaa9d_75633fedb3ccd964563928"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 22:29:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cd9efacbaa9d_75633fedb3ccd964563928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit larseggert approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2696#pullrequestreview-236949930 ----==_mimepart_5cd9efacbaa9d_75633fedb3ccd964563928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In some client-server combinations using HTTP/2, we saw performance degradation from HTTP/1.1 due to either the client not specifying the priorities, or the server not processing the priorities in a correct manner.

Considering that, I think it makes sense to clarify that endpoints are expected to support the prioritization scheme. Though it does not need to be a MUST because prioritization is only necessary when requests with different precedences are coalesced onto a single connection.

Therefore I think something along the lines of SHOULD is the way to go.

Also we might go one step further and consider making the use of the PRIORITY frame on the request stream a MUST. That would force implementors "how" they should support priorities.

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I like this proposal. Checking should be encouraged but not mandated.

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(#2694) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cda114193381_24e53f9478acd9649869ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 00:52:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cda114193381_24e53f9478acd9649869ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2694 via #2696. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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However, upon re-reading the text, I think it could be clearer, so I updated it in PR #2675. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2686#issuecomment-492041882 ----==_mimepart_5cda16cdaf392_6d873fa522acd968180382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The current text(before my outstanding PR) does not mention out of quiescence anymore. However, upon re-reading the text, I think it could be clearer, so I updated it in PR #2675.

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----==_mimepart_5cda16cdaf392_6d873fa522acd968180382-- From nobody Mon May 13 18:18:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4651200FF for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 18:18:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RCQkU39UJOFh for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 18:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D82612008C for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 18:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 18:18:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557796693; bh=0jcLQd5SvRk4kxdjYwUjjacrONIx+0CjwhpBzXZFvFM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yY0oP5fdF+d/qpNB+MUZJchoyUvEAv3wumSQvhuY7HQW29WUY3lAfcHURld7GpxT0 qhw+XTAcVMlsRSGrcqXC7V0O4xJuJ/I1n60/C9ebW2dQP1n/xVJOvLfbzUJxL60iXg fd9HqiyrCsIG6bkcs3575goreDaV5Zbg+wOEjAHk= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define under-utilizing the congestion window (#2675) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cda175550d84_6d7f3ff43a4cd95c44578"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 01:18:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cda175550d84_6d7f3ff43a4cd95c44578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully utilized the congestion window without pacing delay. -Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might -cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use -pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses. I added the definition of burst, because I realize it might not be obvious? I think the core of #2686 is that the existing text is unclear. The existing text says you SHOULD not burst more than an initial window into the network(ever), with nothing specific to coming out of quiescence. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2675#discussion_r283593774 ----==_mimepart_5cda175550d84_6d7f3ff43a4cd95c44578 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender
 should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully
 utilized the congestion window without pacing delay.
 
-Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might
-cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use
-pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts.
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses.

I added the definition of burst, because I realize it might not be obvious?

I think the core of #2686 is that the existing text is unclear. The existing text says you SHOULD not burst more than an initial window into the network(ever), with nothing specific to coming out of quiescence.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure.
 If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
 peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD
+send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
+
+The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys.  In order to

The handshake to 1-RTT transition has an overlap where the peer has both sets of keys, unlike Initial to Handshake, so I think using handshake confirmed as the signal here provides what we want?

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  1. Do we really want to keep the requirement to respond with a PATH_RESPONSE immediately?

  2. This doesn't talk about paths. Now, we might infer from this that the RTT to a peer isn't likely to dramatically change when paths change, but we'd want to be saying that directly.

  3. How does this sit with the change in #2637?

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Generally pretty good. > @@ -88,28 +88,101 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 is a TCP mapping which uses whitespace-delimited text fields to convey +HTTP messages. While these exchanges are human-readable, the whitespace leads It isn't just the whitespace, but the use of whitespace for delineation makes some aspects of parsing and processing difficult. You should be careful not to talk about shortcomings that this version doesn't address. > @@ -88,28 +88,101 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 is a TCP mapping which uses whitespace-delimited text fields to convey +HTTP messages. While these exchanges are human-readable, the whitespace leads +to parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior. +Because each connection can transfer only a single HTTP request or response at a +time in each direction, multiple parallel TCP connections are used, reducing the "are used" or "are often used" > @@ -88,28 +88,101 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 is a TCP mapping which uses whitespace-delimited text fields to convey +HTTP messages. While these exchanges are human-readable, the whitespace leads +to parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior. +Because each connection can transfer only a single HTTP request or response at a +time in each direction, multiple parallel TCP connections are used, reducing the +ability of the congestion controller to accurately manage traffic between +endpoints. Only because people haven't worked out how to run the same congestion controller for multiple connections. I mean, there is no reason you can't do that... in theory. > -## Notational Conventions +HTTP/3 provides a transport for HTTP semantics using the QUIC transport protocol +and an internal framing layer similar to HTTP/2. + +An HTTP/3 endpoint can be discovered using HTTP Alternative Services; this +process is described in greater detail in {{discovery}}. Once a client knows +that an HTTP/3 server exists at a certain endpoint, it opens a QUIC connection. +QUIC provides protocol negotiation, stream-based multiplexing, and flow control. I'd invert this paragraph. The key points are in the second sentence. The alternative services thing is really secondary here. > +endpoint: +: Either the client or server of the connection. Love the circular definition here. > HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities. This section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important differences from HTTP/2, and describes how to map HTTP/2 extensions into HTTP/3. HTTP/3 begins from the premise that similarity to HTTP/2 is preferable, but not -a hard requirement. HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 primarily where necessary to -accommodate the differences in behavior between QUIC and TCP (lack of ordering, -support for streams). We intend to avoid gratuitous changes which make it -difficult or impossible to build extensions with the same semantics applicable -to both protocols at once. +a hard requirement. HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 where QUIC's behavior +differences from TCP (lack of ordering, support for streams) are either ```suggestion where QUIC differs from TCP, either to take advantage of QUIC features (like streams) or to accommodate important shortcomings (such as a lack of total ordering). ``` > HTTP/3 is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities. This section describes the approach taken to design HTTP/3, points out important differences from HTTP/2, and describes how to map HTTP/2 extensions into HTTP/3. HTTP/3 begins from the premise that similarity to HTTP/2 is preferable, but not -a hard requirement. HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 primarily where necessary to -accommodate the differences in behavior between QUIC and TCP (lack of ordering, -support for streams). We intend to avoid gratuitous changes which make it -difficult or impossible to build extensions with the same semantics applicable -to both protocols at once. +a hard requirement. HTTP/3 departs from HTTP/2 where QUIC's behavior +differences from TCP (lack of ordering, support for streams) are either +beneficial or need to be accommodated. HTTP/3 attempts to avoid gratuitous +changes which make it difficult or impossible to build extensions with the same +semantics applicable to both protocols at once. I think that we can lose this sentence now. It might be time to face up to reality: > These differences make HTTP/3 similar to HTTP/2 in key aspects, such as the relationship of requests and responses to streams. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

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Generally pretty good.

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"are used" or "are often used"

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Only because people haven't worked out how to run the same congestion co= ntroller for multiple connections. I mean, there is no reason you can't do= that... in theory.

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I'd invert this paragraph. The key points are in the second sentence. = The alternative services thing is really secondary here.

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I think that we can lose this sentence now. It might be time to face up= to reality:

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These differences make HTTP/3 similar to HTTP/2 in key aspects, such as = the relationship of requests and responses to streams. However, the detail= s of the HTTP/3 design are substantially different than HTTP/2.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I think that we have a frame name problem, otherwise, this is fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -890,7 +890,11 @@ of a DUPLICATE_PUSH frame as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.
 
 The DUPLICATE_PUSH frame carries a single variable-length integer that
 identifies the Push ID of a resource that the server has previously promised
-(see {{frame-push-promise}}).
+(see {{frame-push-promise}}), though that promise might not be received before
+this frame.  A server MUST NOT use a Push ID that is larger than the client has
+provided in a MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}).  A client MUST treat
+receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE that contains a larger Push ID than the client has

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----==_mimepart_5cda1d9aa98a_5b053fa800acd964198813-- From nobody Mon May 13 18:47:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDA01200B8 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 18:47:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfDOKrwWXiAv for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 18:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16C77120026 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 18:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 18:47:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557798458; bh=YExuTw6DF+hOxyG2l2YodTiWP+vCSr8a5ezsmXhEBTU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Nrv1CTbrEazwWRgoou5m66Sb35IKVTmScQXc66lL6S6T/FWBZojKtGNDbN+JjTdpj G+3jG1osQwlNZy+FN1vMlQyLv4pPFfx5nkkGEIMk8qaAfIcmP9NmAo/UvIwtR/LtSs KkkuAyPalAq2zn4ouZOYqqxBA0+OdvdHHL+TITGk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Relax requirement of detecting duplicate TPs on receiver (#2691) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cda1e3a6062_52423fa0ec0cd95c2586bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 01:47:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cda1e3a6062_52423fa0ec0cd95c2586bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The spin here is interesting. An endpoint should be able to track supported transport parameters. Also remember that once we start to approach 300 transport parameters, there is no more room in the client's Initial packet for other stuff (like keys). The server parameters don't have the same constraint, but you might reasonably assume that the same limit is coming. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691#issuecomment-492047327 ----==_mimepart_5cda1e3a6062_52423fa0ec0cd95c2586bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The spin here is interesting. An endpoint should be able to track supported transport parameters. Also remember that once we start to approach 300 transport parameters, there is no more room in the client's Initial packet for other stuff (like keys). The server parameters don't have the same constraint, but you might reasonably assume that the same limit is coming.

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I think I'm fine with what the PR says now.

Though I'm also fine to see something like "the receiver SHOULD treat duplicates of TP that the endpoint supports as a connection error" being added.

The issue with "MAY validate" in general is that it is sometimes hard for smaller players to enforce, because they'd be risking interoperability unless other players also enforce the behavior to the extent that the endpoints violating the requirement would never be shipped.

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Perhaps a middleground could be: endpoints SHOULD validate (instead of the current MAY)? I like either as long as it's not a MUST validate.

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the only thing I don't like about SHOULD validate for supported parameters is that if there are two copies the actual behavior is somewhat ambiguous. If I get two values for the same TP, which should I observe?

Much cleaner to demand enforcement for supported TPs, IMO.

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Now that @davidben has clearly written this up, perhaps we can resolve this issue by adding a reference to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13 in draft-ietf-quic-tls. If that sounds good to the editors I can write a PR.

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----==_mimepart_5cda3d9212e9b_5acd3fa800acd9647529f8-- From nobody Mon May 13 23:14:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB79212008A for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 23:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RqRCQ8Z6BMZJ for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4EA120025 for ; Mon, 13 May 2019 23:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 23:14:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557814470; bh=GrhpMC4qMEdaEM40AjrkBH9NazMKqGawYRXm4Uj4ONs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w0tPm8W3iwn/5NVvMGlIdkp5qPwyp4q+JC8ovJFaR2Fj89P4u3fcvOOJ4/l3z78CX pROXDwpCHnkAL3ZiQa6GgtDUyenr0N23OHNJUkTaiSWqZGnxhHM3vw7vRozBON2s8B dPPQk/RCD/lcIQCVch6Q6S6AgpGpf1e1ob6wI96A= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Text banning post-handshake client auth is unclear (#2367) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cda5cc5f3f82_609e3ffd4decd9681311081"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 06:14:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cda5cc5f3f82_609e3ffd4decd9681311081 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd prefer more direct text. You get references to HTTP/2 doc and that in turn references TLS 1.2 with compression rules etc. that needs to be filtered out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2367#issuecomment-492093263 ----==_mimepart_5cda5cc5f3f82_609e3ffd4decd9681311081 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd prefer more direct text. You get references to HTTP/2 doc and that in turn references TLS 1.2 with compression rules etc. that needs to be filtered out.

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On 2.: if you roam from 5G to 3G you could see significant latency spikes. Phasing out 3G networks and keeping 2G could move traffic to 2G EDGE in areas of thin coverage. Traffic could also move to narrow band IoT (if it is possible to run QUIC on these at all) with MUCH higher latency. Endpoints could choose stay on narrow band most of the time to save battery and perhaps online costs, but use 5G when a device wakes up for real (I could see a use case for that). Though of course might be served with separate connections for such extreme transitions.

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----==_mimepart_5cda60c3abf3_523e3fa0ec0cd95c1207181-- From nobody Tue May 14 01:33:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72CC12023E for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 01:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iwWT9YMzKurV for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 01:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5711200FA for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 01:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 01:32:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557822776; bh=o1XWd9HNfByaPhKz/0flA7xlLzsUhLUCJCOFPBSE1Ww=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2CFf3LQ8YrFPccrAs4MwNjby/ChdYNNEtKpHEqqiTIAvnpJVZowlqMHA8gTdF8FQP +nSiFMcdmmWK1sNL93wIIjhfZMpilUc30Qw0wi2orUM0d19yY5xtb2lZYI1sorH/9U HgHcm9kxD5tNAiLx0YnYpQqP29YW5d+km2EFleUg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pull some H2 content into the introduction (#2683) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cda7d37eecff_62293f8186ecd9609723b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 08:32:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cda7d37eecff_62293f8186ecd9609723b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -88,28 +88,101 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and -HTTP/2. HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency -without modifying the transport layer. However, TCP's lack of visibility into -parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains. +HTTP/2. HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC. + +## Prior versions of HTTP + +HTTP/1.1 is a TCP mapping which uses whitespace-delimited text fields to convey +HTTP messages. While these exchanges are human-readable, the whitespace leads Agree with @martinthomson Technically, whitespace is very easy to parse, and can be more efficient than variable length encoded frames. The real problem is the vague definition of what constitutes whitespace, when and where to expect it, and the different kinds of whitespace in existence. JSON has no such issues with whitespace. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2683#discussion_r283683805 ----==_mimepart_5cda7d37eecff_62293f8186ecd9609723b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -88,28 +88,101 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
 HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These
 semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and
-HTTP/2.  HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency
-without modifying the transport layer.  However, TCP's lack of visibility into
-parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains.
+HTTP/2.  HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC.
+
+## Prior versions of HTTP
+
+HTTP/1.1 is a TCP mapping which uses whitespace-delimited text fields to convey
+HTTP messages.  While these exchanges are human-readable, the whitespace leads

Agree with @martinthomson
Technically, whitespace is very easy to parse, and can be more efficient than variable length encoded frames. The real problem is the vague definition of what constitutes whitespace, when and where to expect it, and the different kinds of whitespace in existence. JSON has no such issues with whitespace.

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  1. I think this is OK as long as we limit how many path responses we send immediately? Realistically, it's not that different from a generate_204, but it's something to be aware of.
  2. I think we need to add a whole section on paths and connection migration in recovery. See #2684 I can do that in this PR if people want?
  3. #2367 decreases the value of this, since you may only see one half of the path. It might still be better than nothing? Initial RTT doesn't need to be correct, but getting it within a factor of 2 is helpful.

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I could live in a world that requires MUST validation of the small set of IANA registered non-GREASE transport parameters (and tangentially HTTP/3 SETTINGS parameters).

I don't want to "MUST validate" a humungous set of parameters.

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----==_mimepart_5cda9c0f12736_17ae3fccce2cd960843bd-- From nobody Tue May 14 03:54:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B95012006B for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hs-h9fgF_422 for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 03:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A2B612011E for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 03:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 03:54:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557831291; bh=WQy0P1Q/HOKK3kuC3GCX0CJiiNuQG/mIQwuSVMv1Vqc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x3Uf1PmCMIK4ZmfanpD/guaP2t843iaVactQFbKueJSnPxn21u10yuR/ugeKFdKE1 dXo2k938WV5B/6huIJWPaThRQIAeYZuVUYNUrKP2H/8jBhQay5vdMK3/usUf4ymsOV 4H/Ji1wsu9dhLEoz/CNJxz5InijbhrjX8v47IIpY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Relax requirement of detecting duplicate TPs on receiver (#2691) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cda9e7bbefb6_59013fd73aecd960394726"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 10:54:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cda9e7bbefb6_59013fd73aecd960394726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it's MUST not send and SHOULD validate, then I believe there's no need to define what happens if multiple are sent, because it's explicitly forbidden. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691#issuecomment-492188911 ----==_mimepart_5cda9e7bbefb6_59013fd73aecd960394726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If it's MUST not send and SHOULD validate, then I believe there's no need to define what happens if multiple are sent, because it's explicitly forbidden.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1379,12 +1379,14 @@ Once the handshake completes, the transport parameters declared by the peer are
 available.  Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer.
 
 Definitions for each of the defined transport parameters are included in
-{{transport-parameter-definitions}}.  An endpoint MUST treat receipt of a
-transport parameter with an invalid value as a connection error of type
-TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.  Any given parameter MUST appear at most once in a
-given transport parameters extension.  An endpoint MUST treat receipt of
-duplicate transport parameters as a connection error of type
-TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+{{transport-parameter-definitions}}.
+
+An endpoint MUST treat receipt of a transport parameter with an invalid value as
+a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR.
+
+A parameter MUST NOT appear more than once in a given transport parameters

This says "appear", but the conversation has been along the lines of "MUST NOT send" they mean the same, but "MUST NOT send" seems clearer to me, so I'd prefer it.

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@LPardue requested changes on this pull request.

I think some wires got crossed in the suggested changes. Your comment points out that this might need reconciliation with #2662 but it seems to borrow the text directly from that PR.

The outcome is that this PR is inconsistent with itself because at line 796 the same error with PUSH_PROMISE causes a MALFORMED_FRAME.

I think the best path is to make this change be a MALFORMED_FRAME error and reconcile on #2662 if the group want that change.

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My h3 interop experience is quite short, but so far I haven't get any benefit from the current form of HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. If the gain is small, then I prefer the simpler form such as just a single HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME generic error or #2662

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -890,7 +890,11 @@ of a DUPLICATE_PUSH frame as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.
 
 The DUPLICATE_PUSH frame carries a single variable-length integer that
 identifies the Push ID of a resource that the server has previously promised
-(see {{frame-push-promise}}).
+(see {{frame-push-promise}}), though that promise might not be received before
+this frame.  A server MUST NOT use a Push ID that is larger than the client has
+provided in a MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}).  A client MUST treat
+receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE that contains a larger Push ID than the client has

Derp, yes. Copied the text and didn't get this changed.

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@ianswett I don't think you meant 2367

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -88,28 +88,101 @@ code and issues list for this draft can be found at
 
 HTTP semantics are used for a broad range of services on the Internet. These
 semantics have commonly been used with two different TCP mappings, HTTP/1.1 and
-HTTP/2.  HTTP/2 introduced a framing and multiplexing layer to improve latency
-without modifying the transport layer.  However, TCP's lack of visibility into
-parallel requests in both mappings limited the possible performance gains.
+HTTP/2.  HTTP/3 supports the same semantics over a new transport protocol, QUIC.
+
+## Prior versions of HTTP
+
+HTTP/1.1 is a TCP mapping which uses whitespace-delimited text fields to convey
+HTTP messages.  While these exchanges are human-readable, the whitespace leads
+to parsing difficulties and workarounds to be tolerant of variant behavior.
+Because each connection can transfer only a single HTTP request or response at a
+time in each direction, multiple parallel TCP connections are used, reducing the
+ability of the congestion controller to accurately manage traffic between
+endpoints.

I heard that proposal again in Prague, as a matter of fact. I wish them all success.

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Based on #2683. **DO NOT MERGE** without changing target branch after #2683 lands. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2698 -- Commit Summary -- * Break up H2 considerations -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (64) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2698.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2698.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2698 ----==_mimepart_5cdaf8b953d80_50c53f95e48cd96c856aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Splitting out Ian's suggestion to break up A.2 further. Based on #2683.

DO NOT MERGE without changing target branch after #2683 lands.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2698

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  • Break up H2 considerations

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1774,7 +1898,7 @@ removed. Because stream termination is handled by QUIC, an END_STREAM flag is
 not required.  This permits the removal of the Flags field from the generic
 frame layout.
 
-Frame payloads are largely drawn from {{!RFC7540}}. However, QUIC includes many
+Frame payloads are largely drawn from {{!HTTP2}}. However, QUIC includes many

I'd prefer to handle that separately, since that's distinct from what I'm doing here and potentially sizable. I've opened #2698 with a first pass at that change.

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----==_mimepart_5cdafa797db38_51e43f8ca7acd96047272-- From nobody Tue May 14 11:36:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8728E1200EF for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 11:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id suiSdgLDJuV2 for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 11:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81DAF1200B4 for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 11:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 11:36:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557858960; bh=sr2lR4bNezAsRYR1lFlTAHLuv1wkGDrrWbemvqE1x/Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dHxT/gRsZBZUukNgWzuAqW0XK/WiDuz1gpg015MifHP7PfUcqKT7F2eeZeZM9XT5r DXA6RLVxtbuuJkOuj7R/i4OHUfNjdytwZp4X2bb/MprmOaYNdbRtn7EvUcPj1hH6OA 9JUgYeYpvvAfoF4c/yF2B5DT+PXWnO8xZKp1g5xQ= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional stream (some or) all the control things in HTTP/3 (#2678) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdb0a909c73e_39f23fb5f42cd9601556d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 18:36:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdb0a909c73e_39f23fb5f42cd9601556d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov Q on "Then there are the corner cases. For example, what happens when the client decides to cancel the stream whose lost STREAM packet caused the priority stream blockage?" In this case, the server would either have to block until the stream was reset or buffer priority operations for later use. I agree both of these options are fairly unappealing, but is there a reason it's worse than that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2678#issuecomment-492357584 ----==_mimepart_5cdb0a909c73e_39f23fb5f42cd9601556d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov Q on "Then there are the corner cases. For example, what happens when the client decides to cancel the stream whose lost STREAM packet caused the priority stream blockage?"

In this case, the server would either have to block until the stream was reset or buffer priority operations for later use. I agree both of these options are fairly unappealing, but is there a reason it's worse than that?

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I state that buffering priority frames because of a lost packet on an unrelated stream is not just unappealing, it's bad design. This is because the client wants those priorities changed 1/2 RTT ago. Expedient reprioritization of streams is a design goal.

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I agree it's a bad design.

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The transport draft defines the SERVER_BUSY error code. It is suggested that this error code be sent when the server cannot process new connections for example when it is under DoS attack or wants to take down the QUIC endpoint for servicing. The HTTP/3 draft should specify how a client should handle this error. IMO the client in this case should fallback to HTTP/2.

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----==_mimepart_5cdb387fbc3d8_5b9f3fcb9e2cd96471614d-- From nobody Tue May 14 14:58:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506F112029D for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 14:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33e48D9yxel1 for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 14:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE85212023D for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 14:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 14:58:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557871106; bh=Yoxr9fde+h9ydLRhAg4+nw1MNzVztcOY8WQ/5ovMIqc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TNZ4o6xsDEVIOVmWsrDg2tVA0I0oZu8rvr33G+7dJYbWNQorlfQHEuVjAabnSqYx1 bhzcPHqioomEJzhaf0RQdowFk9W4S93CBled1fUTHcVu7YGVSB91nIuc7N+xQuhtue a3BspAp5Kinthl4wVj6YDK6KiN2oEVj5z0Z85+7Y= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Client handling of SERVER_BUSY error code needs to be specified (#2699) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdb3a0286495_55ae3f882aecd96066733c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 21:58:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdb3a0286495_55ae3f882aecd96066733c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't this already covered under generic concept of alt-svc or TCP fallback? IMO stating a fallback to a specific version of HTTP is not the correct recommendation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-492425574 ----==_mimepart_5cdb3a0286495_55ae3f882aecd96066733c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Isn't this already covered under generic concept of alt-svc or TCP fallback?

IMO stating a fallback to a specific version of HTTP is not the correct recommendation.

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Which generic concept? I don't see any mention of when the fallback should be done in the HTTP/3 spec. Why would recommending fallback to previous version of HTTP not be the correct recommendation? We clearly need some way of handling SERVER_BUSY on the client side. I don't think we should leave it unspecified.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue May 14 15:30:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1731201AF for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 15:30:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIZUKOPNIQ3o for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED92712004E for ; Tue, 14 May 2019 15:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 15:30:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557873016; bh=j9uNDjQD0bTpBUI1GOXUA1TOYtjN4/+N/KNkvEHyz2k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=E8qokss5yaUluIXVnDoxR0nI3ZN1c3pk+GzlxX9MvWy4Ef8YxYAanHgcv/2IQsLke yT4MbDjzqKXHp1DVD2W/haigJnXLgNpu8w8dWl52XGrXl5KsOvFojICbX3zIEJ8W+a vSW//48kJ/sZU2wDq2h7e4LqoZWYzyeLE4RRgG5Y= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Client handling of SERVER_BUSY error code needs to be specified (#2699) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdb41789b0bf_b0f3fb448ccd968761695"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 22:30:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdb41789b0bf_b0f3fb448ccd968761695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since alt-svc is the only discovery mechanism defined for HTTP/3. Failure of the alternative (for whatever reason) should mean that the alt-svc entry is removed from the alt-svc cache and the UA returns to the original authority that advertised the now-failed alternative. Note that alt-svc could be chained, so specificying any particular fallback behaviour risks conflicting guidance for how UAs should behave. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-492434443 ----==_mimepart_5cdb41789b0bf_b0f3fb448ccd968761695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since alt-svc is the only discovery mechanism defined for HTTP/3. Failure of the alternative (for whatever reason) should mean that the alt-svc entry is removed from the alt-svc cache and the UA returns to the original authority that advertised the now-failed alternative. Note that alt-svc could be chained, so specificying any particular fallback behaviour risks conflicting guidance for how UAs should behave.

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If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during +the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not +available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a +lower packet protection level. + +If the handshake is confirmed, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames +in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to handshake confirmation, a peer might not have +1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a Handshake +packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send +CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to ```suggestion A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the client has Handshake keys. ``` > @@ -2307,10 +2307,14 @@ signal closure. If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD +send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. + +The server may not know whether the client has Handshake keys. In order to +guarantee a CONNECTION_CLOSE is processed, it SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE +in both Handshake and Initial, because the client discards Initial keys as soon +as it has Handshake keys. If multiple packets are sent, they can be coalesced +(see {{packet-coalesce}}). "Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}})." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2688#pullrequestreview-237541936 ----==_mimepart_5cdb4c378134e_7da83fb7db0cd96082365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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The PR that fixes it (#2688) introduces 2119 language and behavior that is new. I'll remove the editorial tag, but I'm not marking it as design. Can you advise on what to do next? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2151#issuecomment-492447442 ----==_mimepart_5cdb4f279cfc8_72a93ffc3b4cd96c44010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mnot @larseggert : This issue is marked editorial, b= ut it's borderline design. The PR that fixes it (#2688) int= roduces 2119 language and behavior that is new. I'll remove the editoria= l tag, but I'm not marking it as design. Can you advise on what to do nex= t?

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I don't think that we need this. The reasons offered thus far amount to "because we can". I'd like to see some analysis suggesting that shorter authentication tags are OK in the general case. Or text explaining constraints on deployments that choose to use a shorter tag.

I understand the benefits of CCM over GCM; I understand that this includes an ability to have a shorter tag, unlike GCM which fails badly. I understand the desire to save bits. But it isn't really that many bits, and the shorter tag changes the odds of an invalid packet being accepted fairly significantly.

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The application protocol can use an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code to signal closure. -If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during +the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not +available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a +lower packet protection level. This paragraph doesn't really say anything that the next paragraph doesn't cover. Also, `a peer` sounds like an endpoint can have multiple peers. > @@ -2304,13 +2304,25 @@ the application requests that the connection be closed. The application protocol can use an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code to signal closure. -If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during +the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not +available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a +lower packet protection level. + +If the handshake is confirmed, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames ```suggestion When the handshake is confirmed, an endpoint MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames ``` > -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during +the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not +available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a +lower packet protection level. + +If the handshake is confirmed, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames +in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to handshake confirmation, a peer might not have +1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a Handshake ```suggestion 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a Handshake ``` > -If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. 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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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This paragraph doesn't really say anything that the next paragraph doesn= 't cover. Also, a peer sounds like an endpoint can have multip= le peers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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We can't tie this to Alt-Svc completely. The load balancer / DoS mitigation infrastructure will need to make decisions on the fly; independent of the back end QUIC servers (which might not even be HTTP/3) and temporarily block new connections to the QUIC servers. The HTTP/2 TCP servers won't even necessarily know of the change. When the infrastructure does this, we need to make sure clients know to fallback to TCP.

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So consider this chain:

example.com (HTTP/2) -> example.org (HTTP/3)
example.org (HTTP/3) -> alt.example.org (HTTP/3)

If alt.examples.org fails, it is valid to fallback to example.org and use QUIC. If you specify a fallback to TCP, where would you expect the client to go back to? The client has no authoritative information that declarers example.org can handle TCP.

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 When a client initiates a request, a PRIORITY frame MAY be sent as the first
 frame of the stream, creating a dependency on an existing element.  In order to
 ensure that prioritization is processed in a consistent order, any subsequent
-PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the control stream.  A
-PRIORITY frame received after other frames on a request stream MUST be treated
-as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.
+PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the request stream.

The difficulty here is that you'll need to keep the request stream open (from the client-send side) for as long you want to reprioritize the request. This risks conflicting with the current text in section 5.1

An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a bidirectional QUIC
stream. After sending a request, a client MUST close the stream for
sending.

That is not insurmountable, you just might need some extra text in the draft to deal with the ripple effects of the changes.

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----==_mimepart_5cdc039115819_9023f9d1f2cd96c2159f9-- From nobody Wed May 15 05:34:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274CA1200F7 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 05:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQGb68C2jMi4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 05:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFB0E1200F4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 05:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 05:34:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557923683; bh=hZ4HRullYiqCF2/GR71gsxfZCRjyCWK97GjzkMh7QOQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mgf6rWobeyFE9AAZErgz+JbIt8uOFv3+TbY2mRxw7Xm7RBTe27J3k/EBygkPATnzr mi2bjgKAaw86ZXY1zAjm/mDELiMzsN0S8bz9a/1gcVkLjrbciPO2UTGpiZd3Pvl7A8 6LtWoXabFm8FRRlYjP15nLctFjnYN+cYkfA1RPbk= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc0763bbbd3_75913fb0e8acd9643616c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 12:34:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc0763bbbd3_75913fb0e8acd9643616c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. This seems like a strong alternative candidate for modifying prioritisation without massive deviation from the H2 spec > {{prioritized-element-types}}). When sent on a request stream, this MUST be - set to `11`. When sent on the control stream, this MUST NOT be set to `11`. + set to `0`. + + D (Dependent On Placeholder): + : A one-bit field indicating whether a element depends upon a placeholder ```suggestion : A one-bit field indicating whether an element depends upon a placeholder ``` > {: #element-dependency-types title="Element Dependency Types"} Note that unlike in {{!RFC7540}}, the root of the tree cannot be referenced -using a Stream ID of 0, as in QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request. The -root of the tree cannot be reprioritized. +using 0, so the root of the tree cannot be reprioritized. The PRIORITY frame can express relationships which might not be permitted based on the stream on which it is sent or its position in the stream. These situations MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames: - A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream with the Prioritized Element Type Since the list is one bullet point long with this change, you could probably roll this back into prose -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#pullrequestreview-237785560 ----==_mimepart_5cdc0763bbbd3_75913fb0e8acd9643616c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2304,13 +2304,25 @@ the application requests that the connection be closed.  The application
 protocol can use an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code to
 signal closure.
 
-If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet.  Prior to connection establishment a
-peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames
-in a Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is
-not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frames in an Initial packet.  If multiple packets are sent, they can be
-coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission.
+When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process
+the frame.  Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest
+level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded.  However, during
+the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not
+available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a
+lower packet protection level.
+
+If the handshake is confirmed, endpoints MUST send any CONNECTION_CLOSE frames

That makes it sound a bit too much like one should close the connection upon completing the handshake. I think If works better, though "After" could also work.

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----==_mimepart_5cdc3999e8f04_4f1e3f87ef8cd960708871-- From nobody Wed May 15 09:30:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8A1120182 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CDT7pVx54L0M for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BE64120178 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 09:30:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557937827; bh=0q0HR0Ci4DLJ+nPY+xHiAyVwDkiSOQ6nMIbiV56d54Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Wr8gkjBIGjK6TqIZElInTxPk/E75K70CFYQn8fMmGumK7SbGNQzMeHG7PTfZ83Z1j CjVFWBPScUAkZAj8dfwCTiOE/c+NSvAh8p4H9zplDVas822Hf1TJwetatSfpLQUbFf lVenGzXBgTmDQvRVbo3B0F0M2CuWeYltvtMfpBbo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc3ea32614d_32e93fd11d4cd96053259"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 16:30:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc3ea32614d_32e93fd11d4cd96053259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. Overall, I like the design if the working group has the will to restructure this much. I think you're burying the lede by not discussing what happens when a placeholder has both weighted and unweighted children. It's at the very bottom of the prioritization section, and it's a major departure from HTTP/2 that should probably be at the top. I find the idea of simultaneously having a priority and a weight overly complicated. As an alternative, perhaps this could be a property of the placeholder -- children are served either in sequence or round-robin by weight, but you can't mix. (And if you need to mix, just put a placeholder of the opposite type as a child.) > @@ -1099,36 +1096,41 @@ the RST bit set if it detects an error with the stream or the QUIC connection. ## Prioritization {#priority} HTTP/3 uses a priority scheme similar to that described in {{!RFC7540}}, Section -5.3. In this priority scheme, a given element can be designated as dependent -upon another element. This information is expressed in the PRIORITY frame -{{frame-priority}} which identifies the element and the dependency. The elements -that can be prioritized are: - -- Requests, identified by the ID of the request stream +5.3, but replaces streams depending upon streams with strict priorities and +placeholders. In the HTTP/3 priority scheme, a stream can be given a strict +priority or can be designated as dependent upon a placeholder or the root. ...or weights, apparently? > - Pushes, identified by the Push ID of the promised resource ({{frame-push-promise}}) - Placeholders, identified by a Placeholder ID -Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection -form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root -of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated -as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree -changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized -elements. - -Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is -not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested -priority. +In HTTP/3, stream dependencies that were implicitly encoded by dependencies in +HTTP/2 are explicitly encoded with strict prioritization. This simplifies +priority tree management, eliminates potential new race conditions introduced +by HTTP/3's multiple streams, and improves framing efficiency with more than +64 requests. I'm not sure we need to be explicit about the 64 requests part. Maybe just say "for long-lived connections"? > When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight -of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the -root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which -the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. +of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are I'm surprised that they have an initial weight, when weight can be omitted. Shouldn't the default be to have null weight? > When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight -of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the -root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which -the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. +of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are +dependent on the root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client +request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. ...except that your PR removes the ability to depend on streams, so this means push streams start out in an impossible-to-express state. Not _necessarily_ a problem (we're doing it with the orphan placeholder), but make sure it's deliberate. > Requests may override the default initial values by including a PRIORITY frame (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These priorities can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream. +Higher priority elements have all available data sent before elements of lower +priority. When multiple elements have the same priority, if a weight is +specified, elements with weights are interleaved. If a weight is not +specified, then elements are delivered sequentially and all available data +from one element is sent before any data from the next. If a given priority +level has some elements with weights and some without, the two groups share +the available bandwidth equally. How weights and explicit priorities interact probably needs to come at the top of the section, since it's a pretty substantial departure from HTTP/2. > - | | - A A -~~~~~~~~~~ -{: #fig-pruning title="Example of Priority Tree Pruning"} - -In the example in {{fig-pruning}}, `P` represents a Placeholder, `A` represents -an active node, and `I` represents an inactive node. In the first step, the -server discards two inactive branches (each a single node). In the second step, -the server condenses an interior inactive node. Note that these transformations -will result in no change in the resources allocated to a particular active -stream. - -Clients SHOULD assume the server is actively performing such pruning and SHOULD -NOT declare a dependency on a stream it knows to have been closed. +When a placeholder is reparented, given a new weight or given a new strict +priority, all dependent placeholders and streams are also re-prioritized. ```suggestion priority, the effective priority of all dependent placeholders and streams is impacted. ``` Just to be explicit that their priorities don't directly change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#pullrequestreview-237930797 ----==_mimepart_5cdc3ea32614d_32e93fd11d4cd96053259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Overall, I like the design if the working group has the will to restru= cture this much. I think you're burying the lede by not discussing what = happens when a placeholder has both weighted and unweighted children. It= 's at the very bottom of the prioritization section, and it's a major dep= arture from HTTP/2 that should probably be at the top.

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I find the idea of simultaneously having a priority and a weight overl= y complicated. As an alternative, perhaps this could be a property of th= e placeholder -- children are served either in sequence or round-robin by= weight, but you can't mix. (And if you need to mix, just put a placehol= der of the opposite type as a child.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> @@ -1099,36 +1096,41 @@ the RST bit set if=
 it detects an error with the stream or the QUIC connection.=0D
 ## Prioritization {#priority}=0D
 =0D
 HTTP/3 uses a priority scheme similar to that described in {{!RFC7540}},=
 Section=0D
-5.3. In this priority scheme, a given element can be designated as depen=
dent=0D
-upon another element. This information is expressed in the PRIORITY fram=
e=0D
-{{frame-priority}} which identifies the element and the dependency. The =
elements=0D
-that can be prioritized are:=0D
-=0D
-- Requests, identified by the ID of the request stream=0D
+5.3, but replaces streams depending upon streams with strict priorities =
and=0D
+placeholders.  In the HTTP/3 priority scheme, a stream can be given a st=
rict=0D
+priority or can be designated as dependent upon a placeholder or the roo=
t.=0D
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...or weights, apparently?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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>  - Pushes, identified by the Push ID of th=
e promised resource=0D
   ({{frame-push-promise}})=0D
 - Placeholders, identified by a Placeholder ID=0D
 =0D
-Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a co=
nnection=0D
-form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on t=
he root=0D
-of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is=
 treated=0D
-as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency =
tree=0D
-changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritiz=
ed=0D
-elements.=0D
-=0D
-Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized wh=
ich is=0D
-not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the reques=
ted=0D
-priority.=0D
+In HTTP/3, stream dependencies that were implicitly encoded by dependenc=
ies in=0D
+HTTP/2 are explicitly encoded with strict prioritization.  This simplifi=
es=0D
+priority tree management, eliminates potential new race conditions intro=
duced=0D
+by HTTP/3's multiple streams, and improves framing efficiency with m=
ore than=0D
+64 requests.=0D
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I'm not sure we need to be explicit about the 64 requests part. Maybe= just say "for long-lived connections"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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>  =0D
 When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial we=
ight=0D
-of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent =
on the=0D
-root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on=
 which=0D
-the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent.=0D
+of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholde=
rs are=0D
=0D

I'm surprised that they have an initial weight, when weight can be omi= tted. Shouldn't the default be to have null weight?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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>  =0D
 When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial we=
ight=0D
-of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent =
on the=0D
-root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on=
 which=0D
-the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent.=0D
+of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholde=
rs are=0D
+dependent on the root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the =
client=0D
+request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent.=0D
=0D

...except that your PR removes the ability to depend on streams, so th= is means push streams start out in an impossible-to-express state. Not <= em>necessarily a problem (we're doing it with the orphan placeholder= ), but make sure it's deliberate.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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>  =0D
 Requests may override the default initial values by including a PRIORITY=
 frame=0D
 (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These prioritie=
s=0D
 can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream.=0D
 =0D
+Higher priority elements have all available data sent before elements of=
 lower=0D
+priority.  When multiple elements have the same priority, if a weight is=
=0D
+specified, elements with weights are interleaved.  If a weight is not=0D=

+specified, then elements are delivered sequentially and all available da=
ta=0D
+from one element is sent before any data from the next.  If a given prio=
rity=0D
+level has some elements with weights and some without, the two groups sh=
are=0D
+the available bandwidth equally.=0D
=0D

How weights and explicit priorities interact probably needs to come at= the top of the section, since it's a pretty substantial departure from H= TTP/2.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> -    |                |=0D
-    A                A=0D
-~~~~~~~~~~=0D
-{: #fig-pruning title=3D"Example of Priority Tree Pruning"}=0D=

-=0D
-In the example in {{fig-pruning}}, `P` represents a Placeholder, `A` rep=
resents=0D
-an active node, and `I` represents an inactive node.  In the first step,=
 the=0D
-server discards two inactive branches (each a single node).  In the seco=
nd step,=0D
-the server condenses an interior inactive node.  Note that these transfo=
rmations=0D
-will result in no change in the resources allocated to a particular acti=
ve=0D
-stream.=0D
-=0D
-Clients SHOULD assume the server is actively performing such pruning and=
 SHOULD=0D
-NOT declare a dependency on a stream it knows to have been closed.=0D
+When a placeholder is reparented, given a new weight or given a new stri=
ct=0D
+priority, all dependent placeholders and streams are also re-prioritized=
.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-priority, all dependent placeholders and stre=
ams are also re-prioritized.=0D
+priority, the effective priority of all dependent placeholders and strea=
ms is impacted.=0D
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Just to be explicit that their priorities don't directly change.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 15 09:58:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B547C1202B9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x_9t5C6F3IJ7 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1583E120188 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 09:58:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557939488; bh=voD9S0EbslK65lR7suPQKm0WX62OgihPTKvNHJtVVsA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=R86xQt7AiB5coYhupMe0VczAuyQGL0a8nkPVF7M0FxriQ/+atGh76I3VGJl/SblC9 KI8ElQCztmmWspIo9/0hd5O9CNHaqu3MElcWXKSdFlirMZwUjcoZAVge34cjR5TdmW RUJmQI9NGiBS/j+myLp+qHl7IPF2pRTmgNXF5vuI= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 807ad0: Break up H2 considerations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 16:58:12 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/break_up_h2_considerations Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 807ad04a5cc20ab58473c02aeea8efe937c19e3c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/807ad04a5cc20ab58473c02aeea8efe937c19e3c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-05-15 (Wed, 15 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Break up H2 considerations From nobody Wed May 15 09:59:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884511200FA for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRsv78JDXEwT for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B791C120188 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 09:59:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557939579; bh=ELkMkv2RacYSZ0X6y5u8T7LbBGDWnGtLB0/ZrijA9/U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=HDGN2QF/+mI8mBlZ8saUeWy7lNwqiG2LS/JAtTIC3GxiLTq5K8OcxXlyY4x3DW+QG ZNSYc5OUyZdePvalOWr5RtQB4ZUZGjQdjzV3basbSJWUnQVZn6b/CdSaQ+Y2slauDM PcslWUfL5gXRChLCTJCSI1abi4aanILlAPyLYv8Q= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f784cb: Script updating gh-pages from 807ad04a. 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Fixes #2220; no text changes outside the Document Organization section.

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Does #2701 address this sufficiently, now that the description of push precedes this section? There's already a back-reference at the end of the paragraph if someone needs more details.

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We may want to keep a selective portion of high value traffic active. In the DoS case for example there could be additional signals determining which IP prefixes to reject immediately. In the chain example if there is no possible fallback the client should simply stop connecting for a while maybe using exponential backoff. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-492748829 ----==_mimepart_5cdc4cc624281_2d0c3fd98cecd95c6894a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah I don't think we want to revoke the service here. We may want to keep a selective portion of high value traffic active. In the DoS case for example there could be additional signals determining which IP prefixes to reject immediately.

In the chain example if there is no possible fallback the client should simply stop connecting for a while maybe using exponential backoff.

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Fixes #2229.

This still seems like a pointless restriction to me, but it's what we agreed in Tokyo, so here it is.

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Fixes #2228.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 15 10:40:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB6E12015A for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TGmTQjDIQHCo for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D631120132 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 10:40:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557942035; bh=umIfXXhnYSKAZET4WUVveCtIbjVBoiYaggkJOPdW7D4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z2J9GhHQbnct176Dc0GBMo62P4lNMum5xt5xUToN21SATaF4GqumOzUPIN8UPp0Mp D59LQUCmFv9WUH0VSyLiDJVGI+flUYaJZL5MlkvSlbAVsNNoLGBrTf+XZU+UMYa0BF FmpvPcQDY/4koRZCpxfbx+GaTVxVpHhiKgyeaj/Q= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc4f1362f91_75dd3fb50dacd9687453aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:40:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc4f1362f91_75dd3fb50dacd9687453aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allowing for an endpoint to edit/replace existing CIDs can allow all sorts of dynamic rebalancing logic on the LB side of things. Perhaps server ID is changed for a back end server and it wants to update all CIDs to encode the new ID appropriately. The current design of give something to the peer and you're stuck with it forever, until they decide to stop using it seems overly restrictive. Additionally, if we support inplace CID replacement, the actual implementation logic to support this should be extremely trivial; just memcpy over the old one with the new one for the most part. The complexity only comes from endpoints that want to actually replace their own CIDs. They would need to have synchronization logic for it and so on. Endpoints that never need to do this don't accrue any additional cost. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-492752485 ----==_mimepart_5cdc4f1362f91_75dd3fb50dacd9687453aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Allowing for an endpoint to edit/replace existing CIDs can allow all sorts of dynamic rebalancing logic on the LB side of things. Perhaps server ID is changed for a back end server and it wants to update all CIDs to encode the new ID appropriately.

The current design of give something to the peer and you're stuck with it forever, until they decide to stop using it seems overly restrictive. Additionally, if we support inplace CID replacement, the actual implementation logic to support this should be extremely trivial; just memcpy over the old one with the new one for the most part. The complexity only comes from endpoints that want to actually replace their own CIDs. They would need to have synchronization logic for it and so on. Endpoints that never need to do this don't accrue any additional cost.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Chrome have some behaviour like that. It isn't codified into the specs but I'm sure there is some good practice out there we can learn from. For instance, fallback from a HTTP level error (I.e. a 500) was discussed on the HTTPbis mailing list in the last year. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-492754041 ----==_mimepart_5cdc4fff7496e_13703fd64e8cd96c7335a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe Chrome have some behaviour like that. It isn't codified into the specs but I'm sure there is some good practice out there we can learn from.

For instance, fallback from a HTTP level error (I.e. a 500) was discussed on the HTTPbis mailing list in the last year.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 15 10:45:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3765E1203D9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:45:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TX6KNngOsosB for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F441203D5 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 10:45:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557942319; bh=BABmljGEd23efr32xnxzdRk3kuhK6zTFT3HYNnR1OlA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZF86UKDL7USZMggkRHAzWjKf8k+K3izS/+ZdpJAbJ1XJ46FKIUPiQZeZNwesPR7/w aTbfl4iNtW6/UdunmK28RQrDVVidxo+EPOXYj4AnToR8DgQ9oEx/SiujQyniTsQbXL OdUoklPxttV7UAK4ttupgi709xEUcAWisTnPWkGw= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Push SHOULD precede reference (#2704) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc502eef3dc_33793ffa106cd9604166ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:45:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc502eef3dc_33793ffa106cd9604166ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2230's remaining issue by importing text from HTTP/2. PUSH_PROMISE and DUPLICATE_PUSH SHOULD precede the piece of the response that references the resource, but MAY come at any point in the server's response, including between the trailers and the end of the stream. That's exceptionally stupid server behavior, but not illegal. I consider this editorial, because no MUSTs are modified and the SHOULD was already incorporated by reference to 7540. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2704 -- Commit Summary -- * Push SHOULD precede reference -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (20) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2704.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2704.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes #2230's remaining issue by importing text from HTTP/2. PUSH_PROMISE and DUPLICATE_PUSH SHOULD precede the piece of the response that references the resource, but MAY come at any point in the server's response, including between the trailers and the end of the stream. That's exceptionally stupid server behavior, but not illegal.

I consider this editorial, because no MUSTs are modified and the SHOULD was already incorporated by reference to 7540.

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  • Push SHOULD precede reference

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@martinthomson can you elaborate on what makes QUIC different from TLS that suggests AES_128_CCM_8 is useful in TLS but not in QUIC?

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It's worth remembering that QUIC packet sizes are (typically) smaller than TLS record size which means that the consequences of saving bytes are larger in QUIC than in TLS.

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----==_mimepart_5cdc5d4e95121_68773faf454cd964516a3-- From nobody Wed May 15 11:48:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D148120175 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HACZWkOKSXg3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B348A120123 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 11:48:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557946102; bh=Ck2jZNjwFuhq19S2TDqR65TgpIdUAvtoUZH2p/lUUDI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=COtIYvbhLEaX08Agq9rxYVvCZdoIV+5AO+vMjoGnbjc9ZZEkv2jSJgJ5az3vKU3dz 3YqFH9o+v+cZO/iBHlwBft6QOgJJ3Pm6K7Ug7AJD+BStmzPJoIi2cVMe6Aj/nOeYZ6 EVtIp++Jwk9ikIdq3ikGZgzGwkXaPl+Q5DalWuQg= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Client handling of SERVER_BUSY error code needs to be specified (#2699) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc5ef654950_68273faf454cd96455091"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 18:48:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc5ef654950_68273faf454cd96455091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah Chrome does. I think we should have recommendations about fallback in the spec so we don't end up with wildly different client behaviors making server side and infrastructure behavior complicated. I'd at least consider adding text around QUIC connection failures, GOAWAY and SERVER_BUSY handling and any other transport protocol errors. I think there is reasonable coverage for HTTP/3 errors. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-492777701 ----==_mimepart_5cdc5ef654950_68273faf454cd96455091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah Chrome does. I think we should have recommendations about fallback in the spec so we don't end up with wildly different client behaviors making server side and infrastructure behavior complicated. I'd at least consider adding text around QUIC connection failures, GOAWAY and SERVER_BUSY handling and any other transport protocol errors. I think there is reasonable coverage for HTTP/3 errors.

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Thanks Mike, this works for me!

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I'd support adding some text on what we think best practices are for those cases. It may be worth separating handshake failures and post-handshake connection failures?

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Yes, Chrome immediately falls back anytime the handshake fails for any reason. Which makes sense, given the alternative is to have the request fail.

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----==_mimepart_5cdc605b4e0b_4d583fa0bb6cd96417419f-- From nobody Wed May 15 11:55:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E090D120770 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MjwwkTOZGWpM for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0112A120778 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=MRyhKCo6Imy8VDrAx7YWuyjJvb4=; b=LPiDgcnyK1EvU0ja qM9QcHMfaINITj4KAm2HD8HwkbHRG+jbebQAqpGsnS5MOSAN5G/5YqN6YWCeG1qs CK+LX000mWRZvXYe8F0zgukHq39HTwpTNn0q7o82Pnx0TlzqUFmgMG49sNc7J+4v ddVrbcDXmZ9NFUK0xGPB8c6lSL8= Received: by filter1769p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1769p1mdw1-26315-5CDC6097-21 2019-05-15 18:55:19.911902035 +0000 UTC m=+131742.243482340 Received: from github-lowworker-61c4d48.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.69]) by ismtpd0061p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id RP2VAdgjTSaCX0YeH2l-0w for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 18:55:19.794 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-61c4d48.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0131A006A for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 11:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 18:55:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Client handling of SERVER_BUSY error code needs to be specified (#2699) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc60979a4cf_51af3faa7e4cd96c2038a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2dyPSfBMFC3jQWmQES4AJvVp63G3O8BHN4q2 amN6r1NK44U9p3tANQ/+hVmHaJzpjiexpYJx0xMIcFiJELTFauZ/qca0CIjLrLQsiYv8gGAbekAlzO Zo8WkOdhV7koeQymlb5SxKcUVDbgcxaWsSPjdyBEy1NfK41AVSBidgXFjnrYWd5MV2aUYCXP+VoRrV o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 18:55:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc60979a4cf_51af3faa7e4cd96c2038a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well GOAWAY is fairly broke in HTTP/2 right now anyway =F0=9F=98=83=0D =0D I think guidance is useful, I'm not convinced the HTTP/3 document is the co= rrect place to capture that. =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-492780278= ----==_mimepart_5cdc60979a4cf_51af3faa7e4cd96c2038a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Pushes, identified by the Push ID of the promised resource
   ({{frame-push-promise}})
 - Placeholders, identified by a Placeholder ID
 
-Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection
-form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root
-of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated
-as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree
-changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized
-elements.
-
-Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
-not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
-priority.
+In HTTP/3, stream dependencies that were implicitly encoded by dependencies in
+HTTP/2 are explicitly encoded with strict prioritization.  This simplifies
+priority tree management, eliminates potential new race conditions introduced
+by HTTP/3's multiple streams, and improves framing efficiency with more than
+64 requests.

The can sentence can be removed: it's an editorial.

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Clarification question: Does the proposed approach allow specifying the optimal ordering that some of us seemed to agree in #2502?

The optimal ordering being:

  1. JavaScript and CSS files are sent at first, one by one
  2. after that, images are sent with the bandwidth distributed evenly among them

It seems to me that for 2 to happen strictly after 1, a placeholder needs to be allowed to belong to a request stream. However the text in the PR does not seem to allow that (maybe I'm missing something).

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@ekr QUIC is also applicable to IoT, CCM_8 should be supported but discouraged here as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1146,22 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet

Makes sense, fixed

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----==_mimepart_5cdc951825d63_6943fe6ab8cd9683735a1-- From nobody Wed May 15 15:39:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F921200A2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wbz86xVaDveO for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 998591200C4 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 15:39:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557959982; bh=TjoHwUcooXUTt2BkjwRTnteUSTjd0TswPCLBuCMVlJ8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KzQLSW3azhUw2vKWKeshU+GNeCDFyrtKwffjPbf17oT2BIgw66fuol7CFA+1Q9O+k T+Ar1yUkFjP2w2H6RKpYC80/I1wfUajUu2BdVSsYn+yGn/vBt6o6O4Zuey4oxZA1fB L7oLFh3ehUGMFqmUnq+G/NvsHvK13l6QFjF540y8= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Output of the discard keys design team (#2673) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdc952e7a614_1ceb3fdb928cd96449116d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 22:39:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdc952e7a614_1ceb3fdb928cd96449116d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements +placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to +the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the +following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint +has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. This second +condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with +1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any +received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the +former, the handshake is confirmed. Fixed -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#discussion_r284479096 ----==_mimepart_5cdc952e7a614_1ceb3fdb928cd96449116d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Verifying the peer's Finished provides endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete on both endpoints simultaneously, therefore any requirements
+placed on endpoints based on the completion of the handshake are specific to
+the handshake being complete from the perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed when both of the
+following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete and the endpoint
+has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.  This second
+condition can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet number sent with
+1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field in any
+received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
+former, the handshake is confirmed.

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I don't know that it's been specifically useful so far, but I don't think it's hard to implement and has the potential to be useful. If everyone wants to kill it I can live without it, plus we can say that at least once we chose the less complicated design.

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A little bit of editorializing, with one important change. > +has reported that the handshake is complete. This happens when the TLS stack +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides the endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete at both endpoints simultaneously. Consequently, any +requirement that is based on the completion of the handshake depends on the +perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when +the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the +endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. +This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number +sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field ```suggestion sent with 1-RTT keys, and comparing it to the Largest Acknowledged field ``` > +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message. +Verifying the peer's Finished provides the endpoints with an assurance that +previous handshake messages have not been modified. Note that the handshake +does not complete at both endpoints simultaneously. Consequently, any +requirement that is based on the completion of the handshake depends on the +perspective of the endpoint in question. + + +### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when +the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the +endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. +This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number +sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field +in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the ```suggestion in subsequently received 1-RTT ACK frames; once the latter is higher than or equal to the ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1146,22 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet Not showing up in this diff yet, did you push your changes? > @@ -1116,9 +1146,22 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number ```suggestion number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and comparing it to the Largest Acknowledged packet number ``` > @@ -1116,9 +1146,22 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time. A new key -cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a -packet with a matching KEY_PHASE. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is +confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent +key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the +current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet +number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number +in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, ```suggestion in subsequently received ACK frames in the current KEY_PHASE; once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2673#pullrequestreview-238125457 ----==_mimepart_5cdca92db202d_6b9e3fbe4c6cd960117693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Hi @janaiyengar, your latest editorializing suggestions are backing out what I had changed in response to previous comments from other editors. I'm going to declare that this PR "good enough to land" from an editorial standpoint, meaning that I'd rather stop making editorial changes now. Once we confirm WG consensus and this PR lands, the editors will be free to make editorial changes.

Regarding the addition of "in the current key phase" at line 1154, that is not necessary because you cannot go back to previous key phases with increasing packet numbers. And you can't receive an ACK for a packet for a subsequent key phase because this MUST prevents you from getting there in the first place.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides the endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete at both endpoints simultaneously.  Consequently, any
+requirement that is based on the completion of the handshake depends on the
+perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
+the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
+endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
+This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
+sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
+in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1116,9 +1146,22 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate more than one key update at a time.  A new key
-cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a
-packet with a matching KEY_PHASE.
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
+confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
+key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
+current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet
+number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +has reported that the handshake is complete.  This happens when the TLS stack
+has both sent a Finished message and verified the peer's Finished message.
+Verifying the peer's Finished provides the endpoints with an assurance that
+previous handshake messages have not been modified.  Note that the handshake
+does not complete at both endpoints simultaneously.  Consequently, any
+requirement that is based on the completion of the handshake depends on the
+perspective of the endpoint in question.
+
+
+### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
+
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
+the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
+endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
+This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
+sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field

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Ok, I've changed it to SHOULD error if dups are received, and I've explicitly called out MUST NOT send.

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The application protocol can use an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code to signal closure. -If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process ```suggestion When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that the peer will process ``` > @@ -2304,13 +2304,25 @@ the application requests that the connection be closed. The application protocol can use an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code to signal closure. -If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during +the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not +available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a ```suggestion available to the peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a ``` > @@ -2304,13 +2304,25 @@ the application requests that the connection be closed. The application protocol can use an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code to signal closure. -If the connection has been successfully established, endpoints MUST send any -CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a 1-RTT packet. Prior to connection establishment a -peer might not have 1-RTT keys, so endpoints SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames -in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, or it is -not certain that the peer has Handshake keys, it MAY send CONNECTION_CLOSE -frames in an Initial packet. If multiple packets are sent, they can be -coalesced (see {{packet-coalesce}}) to facilitate retransmission. +When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that a peer will process +the frame. Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest +level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded. However, during +the handshake, it is possible that more advanced packet protection keys are not +available to a peer, so the frame MAY be replicated in a packet that uses a +lower packet protection level. I missed this earlier, but I agree. I'm fine with dropping this paragraph entirely. It seems like it's simply repeating what's in the next para, but in more general terms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Even if you do a REPLACE for future IDs, you can't currently require that the client stop using the current CID. So given that you have to wait an arbitrary amount of time for connections to "drain" anyways, I'll go back to my earlier comment: why not send GOAWAYs for connections you want to shed to the new partition?

If you really want to have dynamic balancing, it seems to me that there'd be more to gain by forcing the client to stop using the existing CID and using a new one. You would want to REPLACE IDs as well, but without forcing the client to move off the current CID, most connections won't move since most connections are unlikely to use a new CID unless the client is migrating (an uncommon event).

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly
-important.
+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).
+
+Ordering of a PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the
+response is important. The server SHOULD send PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH
+frames prior to sending any frames that reference the promised responses.  This

Could be HEADERS frames, too. (Link headers, for example.)

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----==_mimepart_5cdce33f61705_37e83ffdbeccd96c87436e-- From nobody Wed May 15 21:18:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55A61201A1 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:18:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vNZCDqh3RT5m for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 594E31200FB for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:18:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557980303; bh=AYNb24hjZdYyEeXlD8hdmuKkaCtcF0UAtOigZeE3A3g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MPbpEAm5JuuCh+72OmV1OVRICVWEslQVEkXh3aQxH5Ng9U8s1zO2IjZdRRZAHJ+aB 05Jd1KNPG3SePQIRi7jsbGDHA3q0117+jEIBJs7rwl9ahh5E6eRIrYWOvKU74d9k+G 8UhkMHlvCwXev+l16gyU/BVfuC2JOPNn4iACrvtQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reorder sections (#2701) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdce48f25e4a_36543faacbccd96c1517116"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 04:18:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdce48f25e4a_36543faacbccd96c1517116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Wow, this is a fun diff to review :-) That's why I pointed out that there are no actual text changes. But if it's easier, you could open [the current document](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html) and [the proposed change](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/http/reorder_sections/draft-ietf-quic-http.html) in side-by-side browser windows. :-) I'd like to land this fairly quickly; from some experiments, other HTTP PRs merge into this just fine if they come after, but risk being summarily wiped out if merged before it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2701#issuecomment-492910406 ----==_mimepart_5cdce48f25e4a_36543faacbccd96c1517116 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Wow, this is a fun diff to review :-)

That's why I pointed out that there are no actual text changes. But if it's easier, you could open the current document and the proposed change in side-by-side browser windows. :-)

I'd like to land this fairly quickly; from some experiments, other HTTP PRs merge into this just fine if they come after, but risk being summarily wiped out if merged before it.

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----==_mimepart_5cdce48f25e4a_36543faacbccd96c1517116-- From nobody Wed May 15 21:22:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817A6120091 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o4VBt5D-ZYwo for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F166812003E for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:22:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557980547; bh=3ApD+GlcnWI+ykbhFRl69fVifLMVnBJk64MKj/kdJ80=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g71YO+SqIzpzlqvM3A0RSx+a14ZlmGhIEHhLdUKsLJxsUPuyppAUHp6mC0EMQ5dwx c5wXXHexwDle46IaDgV/AoW7HGqKIB+5COTmze6O0CL3Elf7RnTvI/jVMGz3lOyyxz 653UtJ9uDi6arb5UM2ekn6qlTBg1zo5pMd3L2rOU= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdce583fcec_5c993f9c3a0cd9688960fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 04:22:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdce583fcec_5c993f9c3a0cd9688960fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I've understood the scheme properly, you would achieve that by: - No weight on the JS/CSS (i.e. deliver each resource all at once) - All JS/CSS dependent on the same parent; specified priority doesn't necessarily matter unless you want to subdivide - Another placeholder dependent on the parent with a lower priority than the JS/CSS files - All images dependent on the second placeholder with equal weights -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-492911040 ----==_mimepart_5cdce583fcec_5c993f9c3a0cd9688960fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If I've understood the scheme properly, you would achieve that by:

  • No weight on the JS/CSS (i.e. deliver each resource all at once)
  • All JS/CSS dependent on the same parent; specified priority doesn't necessarily matter unless you want to subdivide
  • Another placeholder dependent on the parent with a lower priority than the JS/CSS files
  • All images dependent on the second placeholder with equal weights

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Not that I have a strong opinion on this, but I'd like to point out that the current design is somewhat inconsistent.

Now, three frame-level errors exist: MALFORMED_FRAME, WRONG_STREAM, UNEXPECTED_STREAM. Among the three, only MALFORMED_FRAME is being accompanied by a frame type. I am not sure if there is a good reason for MALFORMED_FRAME to be exceptional.

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(Now that you mention these, I'm not sure now why WRONG_STREAM and UNEXPECTED_FRAME are different. The frame is not expected to be on this stream, so...?)

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(FWIW, UNEXPECTED_FRAME is generated when a frame is received on the correct stream at an unexpected moment. Though I am not sure if the distinction is important)

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----==_mimepart_5cdce6d59c9b_4da13f8200ccd96021326c-- From nobody Wed May 15 21:51:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4376A1200DE for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sMqk3zYAKy9L for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37B041200A2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:51:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1557982291; bh=BYeqh85PEKwXjVVvH6GYLsD0Bui/gYP8nh7pms9nwQc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iO3w6QhFE6X+nTXDsKnIqBTXICCQL0zYgmvY0KjpcJSBouND3l8zIBhg8AN+eBrkm u9BpsMxA/sqpRJXranQacHGhA7CYv+u3zYohs7pMXTj2JoNEbhlWpQfthaUgL/uWyR uSk7cDBEn7P/0gUniSDwBze5Z1osZgzEpuOYWx1A= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdcec534819e_5a2f3f98a06cd9644915e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 04:51:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdcec534819e_5a2f3f98a06cd9644915e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > Requests may override the default initial values by including a PRIORITY frame (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These priorities can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream. +Higher priority elements have all available data sent before elements of lower +priority. When multiple elements have the same priority, if a weight is +specified, elements with weights are interleaved. If a weight is not +specified, then elements are delivered sequentially and all available data +from one element is sent before any data from the next. If a given priority +level has some elements with weights and some without, the two groups share +the available bandwidth equally. Would it make sense to change the requirement of the last sentence to something like: "If a given priority level has some elements with weights and some without, those without weights are sent before any of those with weights"? I suggest this because it would be a simplification. Current text requiring the bandwidth to be evenly split between the two groups essentially suggests implementations to create one more WRR instance - I prefer avoiding that. I think such a change is fine because I do not think most of the client would use the prioritization scheme in such a way, and because clients that indeed want in fact to split the bandwidth can use placeholders to accommodate that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#discussion_r284538245 ----==_mimepart_5cdcec534819e_5a2f3f98a06cd9644915e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Requests may override the default initial values by including a PRIORITY frame
 (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These priorities
 can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream.
 
+Higher priority elements have all available data sent before elements of lower
+priority.  When multiple elements have the same priority, if a weight is
+specified, elements with weights are interleaved.  If a weight is not
+specified, then elements are delivered sequentially and all available data
+from one element is sent before any data from the next.  If a given priority
+level has some elements with weights and some without, the two groups share
+the available bandwidth equally.

Would it make sense to change the requirement of the last sentence to something like: "If a given priority level has some elements with weights and some without, those without weights are sent before any of those with weights"?

I suggest this because it would be a simplification. Current text requiring the bandwidth to be evenly split between the two groups essentially suggests implementations to create one more WRR instance - I prefer avoiding that.

I think such a change is fine because I do not think most of the client would use the prioritization scheme in such a way, and because clients that indeed want in fact to split the bandwidth can use placeholders to accommodate that.

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Why can't I require the client update the CIDs? As discussed earlier in the comments, the design would be that the client MUST update and if the server receives an ACK for a packet with the REPLACE_CID and is still using an old CID, it will terminate the connection.

HTTP/3 is not my old QUIC protocol, but either way, I want a QUIC solution, not a higher layer protocol solution since QUIC is the layer doing this load balancing.

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CCM_8 is better suitet for a separate QUIC version for IoT where header protection and padding is also dropped and where the traffic volume is low. A cheaper habdshake would also be needed.

Someone said CCM_8 is commonly used with video AFAIR.

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@MikeBishop Thank you for the answer. With your answer in my mind I've reread the PR and maybe it possible to achieve that without using any placeholders? Maybe like:

root -+- JS1 (priority=256,weight=N/A)
      +- JS2 (priority=256,weight=N/A)
      +- CSS1 (priority=256,weight=N/A)
      +- CSS2 (priority=256,weight=N/A)
      +- HTML (priority=32,weight=N/A)
      +- image1 (priority=16,weight=16)
      +- image2 (priority=16,weight=16)
      +- image3 (priority=16,weight=16)
      +- image4 (priority=16,weight=16)

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----==_mimepart_5cdd05b0d7fa4_5c153fae1d8cd95c8615d-- From nobody Thu May 16 04:54:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC48120135 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 04:54:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j7WrljQl6UnV for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 04:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB80F12002E for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 04:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 04:54:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558007683; bh=J8pkjqKfLCFSRt9hB+w/gN2S6NDmlPM3C4VncGAOf8c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m7BaElA1cj/fQNNyoFeVlqWXKu4ZU84zmP83RkFAoHutzfadDio3HarKg5jEpkBFE kajnt9rdK0ZOWxO5KpsdPQzXI/7esK0zKYEnW3n/6yMJdkY1cxsDhg5yywT0OkaWDw jyBt91xsmiDqVs4o++rI1KbpfoysaXGMir3dIUVE= From: Daan De Meyer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix GOAWAY connection errors. (#2705) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd4f834c845_11963f92c8ccd9641923a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DaanDeMeyer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:54:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd4f834c845_11963f92c8ccd9641923a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pretty sure the intent of https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343/ was correct but the wrong error was changed in the draft. This pr makes the change that I think was intended in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343/. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2705 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix GOAWAY connection errors. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2705.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2705.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2705 ----==_mimepart_5cdd4f834c845_11963f92c8ccd9641923a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm pretty sure the intent of #2343 was correct but the wrong error was changed in the draft. This pr makes the change that I think was intended in #2343.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2705

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  • Fix GOAWAY connection errors.

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@tatsuhiro-t commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
-  : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the prioritized
-    element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a
-    weight between 1 and 256.
+  : An optional unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the
+    prioritized element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value
+    to obtain a weight between 1 and 256.  When absent, indicates the resource
+    should be delivered all at once or not at all.

Server might not have all data in place (e.g., streaming via proxy). To achieve "delivered all at once or not at all", it seems to me that proxy has to buffer all data, which is impossible if data is unlimited or too large.

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SETTINGS frames always apply to a connection, never a single stream. A SETTINGS frame MUST be sent as the first frame of each control stream (see Section 4.2.1) by each peer, and MUST NOT be sent subsequently or on any other stream. If an endpoint receives a SETTINGS frame on a different stream, the endpoint MUST respond with a connection error of type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM. If an endpoint receives a second SETTINGS frame, the endpoint MUST respond with a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

It's unclear which error should be reported if an endpoint receives a second SETTINGS frame on any stream that's not a control stream. Perhaps this should be explicitly defined in the draft?

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly
-important.
+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).
+
+Ordering of a PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the
+response is important. The server SHOULD send PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH
+frames prior to sending any frames that reference the promised responses.  This
+avoids a race where clients issue requests prior to receiving any PUSH_PROMISE

This ensures that clients do not issue a request for resources that will be pushed by the server.

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@nibanks I think your use case is real, and the implementation work client side seems quite small, but it is one more CID feature and I'm not sure what fraction of implementations want to use this?

I can imagine we'd use it on the server side if it was present, though.

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----==_mimepart_5cdd5b0857ae7_2f153f8200ccd960910844-- From nobody Thu May 16 05:44:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE7512002E for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 05:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DvDAbxq_szRd for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48C8512008C for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 05:44:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558010678; bh=pCSEZMNv7AJSAIhYMZTEZiUn6F66PwDnJH0UAYDSiPY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dKb7ILQp2TAdjb6W5z79sq3TKxdNzdP+F6PaKfUaKx2zp8YkE56LOD51Ge8w3+dKN SdSkBgnVc5ritV377kXZVU1Y9CMbVC4pq362wyrh/yi9Lvc7kP7033x4Ov3AalQuwU tUylOVHYvPydustCYVJOgGk0fKjqnUNSInBi7O2k= From: Daan De Meyer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix GOAWAY connection errors. (#2707) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd5b365dec1_31ad3faacbccd96c1358778"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DaanDeMeyer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 12:44:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd5b365dec1_31ad3faacbccd96c1358778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pretty sure the intent of https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343/ was correct but the wrong error was changed in the draft. This pr makes the change that I think was intended in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2343/. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2707 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix GOAWAY connection errors. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2707.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2707.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2707 ----==_mimepart_5cdd5b365dec1_31ad3faacbccd96c1358778 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm pretty sure the intent of #2343 was correct but the wrong error was changed in the draft. This pr makes the change that I think was intended in #2343.

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----==_mimepart_5cdd5b365dec1_31ad3faacbccd96c1358778-- From nobody Thu May 16 05:46:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0CF12002E for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 05:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dq9kmN1GCo96 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 05:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C188E12008C for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 05:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 05:46:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558010774; bh=MjhhwmVvYj5UVCKmzS2gtPENgHktMwEf8qDhXVrub1I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R9tycDAlB14n2/0Jew2a88qfOMoS/BMa640u9e126EMBUj3gDkWycptEpntBQSTLS 25EC1uQkG82lgr47C49DfpbKgJmA9IThrBhx0g32sx+X9jHjVJV090KTj0iFbBnKpd C6PTmqoAVD6jPUWtOuiSG9HgbVjJkWgKE7TOMJYM= From: Daan De Meyer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify HEADERS on control stream error. (#2708) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd5b96cfa33_5c353ff6c7ccd96014921cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DaanDeMeyer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 12:46:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd5b96cfa33_5c353ff6c7ccd96014921cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Receiving a HEADERS frame on a control stream should result in a connection error of type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM. The correct error is documented for all other frame types except for HEADERS. This pr specifies the error for HEADERS frames as well. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2708 -- Commit Summary -- * Specify HEADERS on control stream error. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2708.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2708.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2708 ----==_mimepart_5cdd5b96cfa33_5c353ff6c7ccd96014921cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Receiving a HEADERS frame on a control stream should result in a connection error of type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.

The correct error is documented for all other frame types except for HEADERS. This pr specifies the error for HEADERS frames as well.

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  • Specify HEADERS on control stream error.

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This pr changes the server's error on receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame. While the current draft implicitly suggests push promises can only be sent by the server, it doesn't explicitly disallow clients from sending PUSH_PROMISE frames. This pr explicitly disallows clients from sending PUSH_PROMISE frames and requires the server to treat each receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

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  • Specify server error on receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame.

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Fixes #2706 by clearly splitting the two different error cases.

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----==_mimepart_5cdd646ea2ddf_22c3ff6c7ccd960449658-- From nobody Thu May 16 06:27:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C4E120025 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:27:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eQ0Tylrs5vv7 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97B91120045 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 06:27:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558013230; bh=1EUUI2VYtiBIeJUHaLw/NrFl0nP1G/g9kIi1FUZtWys=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0TDf/xw6UW6x/iK4uSFZACLvyePyKzGY4qwSKpEIessEcEbPyl+E/YFdEjI5SREC9 fDLqYwixe4Mm7mkQE9jxGXlTt3rUl6ChAoMTET6aFUjb9VYGI3WfZFpM1oLD9f9QbD qFLwza62RZmwRlFpt9BB0yPGF2EYZgXoxQkd/mts= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Second SETTINGS frame on any stream other than the control stream error (#2706) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd652ec05db_59d53fc6c94cd964175293e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:27:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd652ec05db_59d53fc6c94cd964175293e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey @DaanDeMeyer. I initially thought this was an editorial problem so created #2710 as an attempt to clarify things. However, I think the question is more philosophical. To analyse it a bit, what you're asking is how to handle an error after the occurrence of a critical connection error. First, a SETTINGS frame on a wrong stream type, then another SETTINGS frame on a wrong stream. After the first critical error, all bets are off. I'd expect a lot implementations to just give up at that stage as the peer is likely to be misbehaving. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2706#issuecomment-493066991 ----==_mimepart_5cdd652ec05db_59d53fc6c94cd964175293e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hey @DaanDeMeyer.

I initially thought this was an editorial problem so created #2710 as an attempt to clarify things.

However, I think the question is more philosophical. To analyse it a bit, what you're asking is how to handle an error after the occurrence of a critical connection error. First, a SETTINGS frame on a wrong stream type, then another SETTINGS frame on a wrong stream.

After the first critical error, all bets are off. I'd expect a lot implementations to just give up at that stage as the peer is likely to be misbehaving.

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@rmarx commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
-  : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the prioritized
-    element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a
-    weight between 1 and 256.
+  : An optional unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the
+    prioritized element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value
+    to obtain a weight between 1 and 256.  When absent, indicates the resource
+    should be delivered all at once or not at all.

Maybe a similar indication as in the HTTP/2 RFC makes sense:

"When absent, indicates the resource should be allocated the full available resources from its parent, as long as it is able to make progress."

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It's fine. The stream usage and request "lifecycle" sections are a bit too far apart, but I don't know that I have a suggestion there.

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HTTP/3 does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams; clients MUST omit or specify a value of zero for the QUIC transport parameter initial_max_bidi_streams.

I don't think that we need the MUST here. An extension might want to use those streams. It should be enough to note that these aren't used.

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----==_mimepart_5cdd681dc9209_e393faacbccd96c991141-- From nobody Thu May 16 06:43:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021811200A4 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3oxwrmLUEY-N for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 810B2120104 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:43:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=W1+GUBQVgY0eWCwOTBlXsS11EzY=; b=jkpWttqb0b5x3KBG L4+UPgRerA6kf53QDEnCSs0EH75DiVvjnSwAP4ffkJIuWJwPD9yFVn1oSQiToxH1 hW19hkAvzQSw4xE98sXDyEqNISKqqu476FoIG4VziU+D/xzB4JrZSIXZseAk3+5r /CSH3FOSO4pE3/tsUej5JLFKppw= Received: by filter1233p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1233p1las1-13993-5CDD68F8-88 2019-05-16 13:43:20.907796704 +0000 UTC m=+231222.798650875 Received: from github-lowworker-5909e27.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.7]) by ismtpd0050p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Oc9agISrRiG0ir1RIj9lUA for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 13:43:20.746 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-5909e27.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D743E1244 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:43:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix GOAWAY connection errors. (#2707) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd68f8a6c0f_56043fb8422cd960119769d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2K9CSfrkDec2YvY+2m+M6cZ5OIkx6dRadGWi DpYPejSXKHAuZiNGLbRwQ/3TW3JAklYshj9Ew4CEHFjIvzhF+Jss72xhAfpiVYufzs+EmkNa+XNQbU vJcw7KZQDSkfBEOLH9NS/GuUU1NNuDvqrOLNX9lyTUJRnqHyG2eFNSfxM6R0HgJ+VLQS5axxY/Bzx5 A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:43:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd68f8a6c0f_56043fb8422cd960119769d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note. If this is the right answer and the PR lands, then #2662 will need to replace the new instance of HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME with something, e.g. HTTP_INVALID_GOAWAY or something -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2707#issuecomment-493072909 ----==_mimepart_5cdd68f8a6c0f_56043fb8422cd960119769d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just a note. If this is the right answer and the PR lands, then #2662 will need to replace the new instance of HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME with something, e.g. HTTP_INVALID_GOAWAY or something

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I agree its an edge case but I do think it'd be useful to exactly specify which of the two errors should be reported, especially when thinking of automated testing of HTTP/3 implementations.

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I'm sympathetic to that but I fear this could be a slippery slope towards adding lots of text for issues that occur after a critical close event. PRIORITY frames fall into a similar bucket, along with many of the server push frames and their validation rules.

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The current draft doesn't mention what to do when receiving a DATA frame before a HEADERS frame on a request stream. This pr explicitly requires recipients to respond with a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.

I'm not entirely sure the DATA frame definition section is the best place for this addition (if it's a valid addition). Another possibility would be the HTTP Message Exchanges section. Any input on this is appreciated.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2712

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  • Specify error on receipt a DATA frame before a HEADERS frame on a

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----==_mimepart_5cdd6aefa15b4_184c3faea1ccd960344589-- From nobody Thu May 16 06:52:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC806120105 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqypiJPFzJaL for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E2091200F8 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 06:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 06:52:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558014726; bh=zQMJEqT6JVmSxmSV1z1f9LtEBA8K8znVJ+MFseYIT9I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iMmRJhu7CDlN54TjgbiZoL2TEEq3PTDVsrtQSs2rBR809FDTKW8yE6owbnr4UDlqR HdMywktJ7/KJKMoHkgYmdjRTJUIf+ne9Obc+KRWsiwuK71o0gyuN6QC+EPFeRCxbGE fkqlqXLMPaoJ5O1PQz9lhiy12qgSGGsIYmXOxRHM= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd6b067e41d_bec3fae358cd96c314519e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:52:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd6b067e41d_bec3fae358cd96c314519e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for beating me to this Ian :) I am a bit unsure about this approach. While it seems to allow @pmeenan's setup, as I mentioned at the bottom of this comment https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513, I'm not sure that is really necessary. With the existing setup (allowing dependencies on a request stream), we seem to only lose the ability to re-prioritize elements within the same "bucket". E.g., if you're sending a Font file, you cannot have a CSS file interrupt it, if they are both under the same Placeholder (HIGHEST in my example there). I am unsure if this is such a bad thing, since both the Font and CSS are similarly important and both need to be downloaded in full to be applied (iiuc). If you still wanted interruptability, you could add another placeholder "bucket" (e.g., FONTS) to go more fine-grained. Either way, the current proposed text in this PR is a bit ambiguous about what happens if you receive a new entry with a higher priority than the current highest-priority element: do you interrupt the current response for the new one? (e.g., you had a FONT of priority 50, it's about 50% done sending, now you get a sibling CSS of priority 60: will that interrupt the FONT? I would assume so). That goes against he "be delivered all at once or not at all" mantra. One of the benefits of Pat's scheme imo is that it is easier to implement and doesn't require keeping track of open/closed streams and separate placeholders etc. By integrating this into the tree-based setup here, we are losing that simplicity (also remarked by @MikeBishop earlier here). I also agree with Mike's remark that this type of thing might make more sense as a property of the Placeholder, rather than each individual stream/node. I am probably missing something here, but it would be good to get some more clarification on what use case we are trying to support exactly (and imo we should wait for some input from @pmeenan (mainly on the importance of reprioritizing within a sequential list) before proceeding much further). As a side note: I assume this would be complementary to the Orphan Placeholder in #2690? Because #2502 discusses 2 (imo) separate concepts, and these 2 PRs treat them individually in my perspective. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493076309 ----==_mimepart_5cdd6b067e41d_bec3fae358cd96c314519e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you for beating me to this Ian :)

I am a bit unsure about this approach. While it seems to allow @pmeenan's setup, as I mentioned at the bottom of this comment #2502 (comment), I'm not sure that is really necessary.

With the existing setup (allowing dependencies on a request stream), we seem to only lose the ability to re-prioritize elements within the same "bucket". E.g., if you're sending a Font file, you cannot have a CSS file interrupt it, if they are both under the same Placeholder (HIGHEST in my example there). I am unsure if this is such a bad thing, since both the Font and CSS are similarly important and both need to be downloaded in full to be applied (iiuc). If you still wanted interruptability, you could add another placeholder "bucket" (e.g., FONTS) to go more fine-grained.

Either way, the current proposed text in this PR is a bit ambiguous about what happens if you receive a new entry with a higher priority than the current highest-priority element: do you interrupt the current response for the new one? (e.g., you had a FONT of priority 50, it's about 50% done sending, now you get a sibling CSS of priority 60: will that interrupt the FONT? I would assume so). That goes against he "be delivered all at once or not at all" mantra.

One of the benefits of Pat's scheme imo is that it is easier to implement and doesn't require keeping track of open/closed streams and separate placeholders etc. By integrating this into the tree-based setup here, we are losing that simplicity (also remarked by @MikeBishop earlier here). I also agree with Mike's remark that this type of thing might make more sense as a property of the Placeholder, rather than each individual stream/node.

I am probably missing something here, but it would be good to get some more clarification on what use case we are trying to support exactly (and imo we should wait for some input from @pmeenan (mainly on the importance of reprioritizing within a sequential list) before proceeding much further).

As a side note: I assume this would be complementary to the Orphan Placeholder in #2690? Because #2502 discusses 2 (imo) separate concepts, and these 2 PRs treat them individually in my perspective.

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@rmarx commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +cannot be reprioritized.  The structure of the dependency tree changes as
+PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between other prioritized elements.
+
+All dependent streams are allocated an integer weight between 0 and 255
+(inclusive).
+
+Streams with the same parent SHOULD be allocated resources proportionally based
+on their weight.  Thus, if stream B depends on stream A with weight 4, stream C
+depends on stream A with weight 12, and no progress can be made on stream A,
+stream B ideally receives one-third of the resources allocated to stream C.
+
+A weight of zero indicates that no resources should be allocated to the
+indicated stream if progress can be made on other streams dependent on the same
+parent.
+
+A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated as a

This is the main crux and why I proposed adding the orphan placeholder in the first place. Imo, it makes more sense for stream 100 to get no bandwidth, than to make it part of the root and thus make it one of the most important resources in the tree (even if it just has a weight of 16).

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----==_mimepart_5cdd6d7780877_1f713fb9cc4cd96415219ef-- From nobody Thu May 16 07:10:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737511200BA for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 07:10:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jqDyi5bHvI9B for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 07:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB39F120098 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 07:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 07:10:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558015817; bh=fNGPDURsDJeUjBHEFx06gEmwvrIy7V+uW/blx2VE9z4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YxrMhp6QcDTT+KnOBSkpL3FrB0tWvHi+U3kFcvB7zFfkfmqYuUD2D8xAUQ4/Cn93L knVPWnCGagJSC3CufZrZSZNGQslUs/fRBForsEOCrNwqldkqzHSAjAaegUe0Ad+tY+ PJZkoYPPlPdXtBVDG4a3MOmSrsNXitNHbyxThtGc= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Orphan Placeholder (#2690) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdd6f499ae64_2be53f97704cd9601676a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 14:10:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdd6f499ae64_2be53f97704cd9601676a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to come back to weight=0 for a moment, because it would allow use to make a node not receive any bandwidth until all its children are finished. For example, as I discussed here https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513, a way to subvert the need for exclusive priorities is to work with a sort of priority "bucket" system with the placeholders. However, as can be seen in the 2nd image, P1, the buckets would get a weight of 1, where ideally that would be 0. 1 means they would still get 1/257th of the bandwidth (again, see P1, split between the HIGH placeholder and the HTML file). With weight 0, we could make this type of bucket system more semantically correct (arguably, 1/257th is too small to matter in practice, but still...). This might partially help circumvent the need for #2700, as discussed in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493076309 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2690#issuecomment-493083556 ----==_mimepart_5cdd6f499ae64_2be53f97704cd9601676a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I want to come back to weight=3D0 for a moment, because it would allow= use to make a node not receive any bandwidth until all its children are = finished.

For example, as I discussed here #2502 (comment), a w= ay to subvert the need for exclusive priorities is to work with a sort of= priority "bucket" system with the placeholders. However, as can be seen = in the 2nd image, P1, the buckets would get a weight of 1, where ideally = that would be 0. 1 means they would still get 1/257th of the bandwidth (a= gain, see P1, split between the HIGH placeholder and the HTML file). With= weight 0, we could make this type of bucket system more semantically cor= rect (arguably, 1/257th is too small to matter in practice, but still...)= . This might partially help circumvent the need for #2700, a= s discussed in #2700 (comment)

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I think this is good text to add. I'll defer exactly where to Mike.

Note that this problem also affects push streams, not just request streams. That is, the pushed DATA must not appear before the pushed HEADERS.

So it seems to me that the Message Exchange section might help us cover all cases. But maybe not.

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This inconsistency was bugging me the other day. So thanks for beating me to fixing it :)

@MikeBishop iff #2678 gets traction, we'd need a sweep of all these If a HEADERS frame is received on either control stream phrases to cover all streams (exclusively or inclusively).

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I'll read through the proposal in a minute but to answer the "interrupt delivery" question, the expectation across the board is yes, lower priority streams will get interrupted by higher priority streams as soon as data for the higher priority stream is available (I'd actually argue that it's critical to be able to interrupt).

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It probably has to, yes. That's something we generally do with most of our MUST statements anyway.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu May 16 11:22:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0297512014A for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4DPS2E-3KxM7 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55692120072 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:22:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558030956; bh=BkP2/iF0aoqIwaqaipxliqVxc9z5cx5PlE1nmME40Wc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dvEI6pEZoJfLD3fR87DzOXhIN4muQq70EwoXARgctxtwNIdgRxDFOfizk+QjHrt8J lmGhqgNpyN0Bsu9HAxwcTgjBOCAyuNV/C8mAow0GD6sJpPB7wNpLs4KA5PhuR0J8iY YtsEHrxRxku3Z41JwtAwPcZkb7Fs8iRn8NpjKH1g= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix GOAWAY errors properly (#2713) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cddaa6c7146c_79183fdf904cd95c905424"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:22:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cddaa6c7146c_79183fdf904cd95c905424 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In #2705, @DaanDeMeyer correctly observed that I messed up #2343, but he closed his PR and I'm not able to reopen it without more git wizardry than I'm interested in practicing today. Easier just to fix it in my own branch. So: - GOAWAY properly sent by the server on the control stream, but *containing* the wrong stream ID can't be WRONG_STREAM, it should be MALFORMED_FRAME. - GOAWAY sent by the server on something other than the control frame isn't UNEXPECTED_FRAME, it's WRONG_STREAM (see [aside with @kazuho](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2551#issuecomment-492911408) about whether the distinction actually matters, but in the interest of keeping the document internally consistent....) - GOAWAY sent by a client is UNEXPECTED_FRAME, and that's the only one I got right before. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2713 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix GOAWAY errors properly this time -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2713.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2713.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2713 ----==_mimepart_5cddaa6c7146c_79183fdf904cd95c905424 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In #2705, @DaanDeMeyer correctly observed that= I messed up #2343, but he closed his PR and I'm not able t= o reopen it without more git wizardry than I'm interested in practicing t= oday. Easier just to fix it in my own branch.

So:

  • GOAWAY properly sent by the server on the control stream, but con= taining the wrong stream ID can't be WRONG_STREAM, it should be MALF= ORMED_FRAME.
  • GOAWAY sent by the server on something other than the control frame i= sn't UNEXPECTED_FRAME, it's WRONG_STREAM (see aside with @kazuho about whether the distinction actually matt= ers, but in the interest of keeping the document internally consistent...= .)
  • GOAWAY sent by a client is UNEXPECTED_FRAME, and that's the only one = I got right before.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2713

Commit Summary

  • Fix GOAWAY errors properly this time

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PUSH_PROMISE frames can only be sent by the server. If the server receives a PUSH_PROMISE frame, it should treat it as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME. 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Yeah, that crossed my mind. :-) YAEC!

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----==_mimepart_5cddad47a03c7_50e33fa5f22cd968679c9-- From nobody Thu May 16 11:39:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87611201AE for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:39:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id no3H7nrypx3y for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A36B120278 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:39:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558031978; bh=9wFcPoLaF/KNuaJjhrycB2FkNWJoKxY/4OWmXn6/ekg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VxaMOHsvQ/t8Uuen08L+utGV4vwAP0aUtEgGm8hUlkAmZj7ozp+hM8M8A5yOOy3jx GRVph72HyfF/2CndfOik59vlrTPM63x+wtHBT3z5VvnVu3ioAiGU+J3zoS9hTwlSzt JLP8aM4xXwab8HcCQ5B6Yd2Kd7Ci5a4E0MhWNb9U= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Relax requirement of detecting duplicate TPs on receiver (#2691) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cddae69e9898_15443fa992ecd9685570"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:39:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cddae69e9898_15443fa992ecd9685570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I'd prefer a MUST for the non-proprietary TPs, I can live with the current PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691#issuecomment-493184880 ----==_mimepart_5cddae69e9898_15443fa992ecd9685570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Although I'd prefer a MUST for the non-proprietary TPs, I can live with the current PR.

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Moves existing text to be clearer, but doesn't change the stated requirements. Editorial, and fine by me.

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Merged #2710 into master.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu May 16 11:44:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AAD1200C7 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qp0TJ0cU8qCp for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 669C012001B for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:44:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558032281; bh=f6qhlrPzTxNH9mLt2v6XQk7VQpOiUFoX2+ZgOn2p6HI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C2d9iQa3OwUDJiiKwnd9WPXj8mYJEgITkTVMFgOw33/D4grcWjP3TiJiRvCxuRoyH OYZVVjT3mX7OGFE3uIS44+EkidSUqoUoV/pDhA9u8tWCk0EJO8YRN8TJLUQ8Fkt4PV 0Mc9zldxzQ5a3pOMaRDBYG2XOw2DEGs9vGEbpXJU= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Second SETTINGS frame on any stream other than the control stream error (#2706) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cddaf993d4fc_2a633fd42eecd960192925"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:44:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cddaf993d4fc_2a633fd42eecd960192925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the real unclarity in the spec is that both can happen simultaneously. After receiving a proper SETTINGS frame on the control channel, receiving a SETTINGS frame on some other stream would be *both* a second SETTINGS frame *and* a SETTINGS frame on the wrong stream. #2710 clarifies this reasonable. Thanks, both of you! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2706#issuecomment-493186614 ----==_mimepart_5cddaf993d4fc_2a633fd42eecd960192925 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the real unclarity in the spec is that both can happen simultaneously. After receiving a proper SETTINGS frame on the control channel, receiving a SETTINGS frame on some other stream would be both a second SETTINGS frame and a SETTINGS frame on the wrong stream. #2710 clarifies this reasonable. Thanks, both of you!

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----==_mimepart_5cddaf993d4fc_2a633fd42eecd960192925-- From nobody Thu May 16 11:46:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179BC120189 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:46:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m9zsqnlhZD8M for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC438120156 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:46:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558032374; bh=VhyxheJIXSCEWj5GHLUe/xGIPjpnknlxJVvnDvgJYPU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SGfv8WJSo1v+NdyMzF4uQSORN8dmfjGGt+wYyFVhYRkE4szEvzCTuMXaADYQhJ3a3 ajgsKLgJDJJTlXk/IIBPhsntl4XM6E8er3igT9rtXZ2KZI16Fa78twRnw5vyQJWZav 1y73VPp56MUCBkk6Do8h/c+uEEZJi76nKuNIdtR0= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify error on receipt a DATA frame before a HEADERS frame on a request stream (#2712) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cddaff5ee591_64593fa1c24cd9682308b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:46:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cddaff5ee591_64593fa1c24cd9682308b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to lean toward the Message Exchange section -- this is a question of getting frames in an order that can't possibly carry a valid HTTP message. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2712#issuecomment-493187141 ----==_mimepart_5cddaff5ee591_64593fa1c24cd9682308b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I tend to lean toward the Message Exchange section -- this is a question of getting frames in an order that can't possibly carry a valid HTTP message.

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Closed #2712.

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@mikkelfj I don't think encouraging protocol fragmentation is a good idea. The reason TLS 1.3 has CCM_8 is to allow IoT use-cases to use TLS 1.3 instead of making them develop new protocols. The same argument applies to QUIC.

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----==_mimepart_5cddb0f6db384_19f73f8b406cd9684386ca-- From nobody Thu May 16 11:51:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A54120156 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Qg0YRil5bbS for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B780F1201DD for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:51:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558032678; bh=WrOxPfgc9j4AxvzY/nCRz9HF6QW2sIE5wIE9GqthCKk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qyxkv5mlQiBiXSH458nPQf0p1hMLqEt0tyvueEOwlven1fdgYwtnFFmKJxBl+vZ4c XjyjaukfvFq3g9n+gO7JTW1i+xbVAifShqveb+ImslBuEhiSnzu9ChRbBUq962d1yJ CU33soqUB+aaAofh0Yubeu0U5OYG/0hBd5wMVTRQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify error on receipt a DATA frame before a HEADERS frame on a request stream (#2712) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cddb12692ff2_51e83ff0388cd968370042"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:51:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cddb12692ff2_51e83ff0388cd968370042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ack, I was fixing the fact that #2701 broke everything and messed this up. Once the PR closed, I lost access to @DaanDeMeyer's branch to un-mess it. Moving to a quicwg branch. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2712#issuecomment-493188843 ----==_mimepart_5cddb12692ff2_51e83ff0388cd968370042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ack, I was fixing the fact that #2701 broke everything and messed this up. Once the PR closed, I lost access to @DaanDeMeyer's branch to un-mess it. Moving to a quicwg branch.

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#2712 reincarnated, because I messed up. Sorry, @DaanDeMeyer.

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Commit Summary

  • Specify error on receipt a DATA frame before a HEADERS frame on a
  • Move to Message Exchange section

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----==_mimepart_5cddb706c54c6_38683fa2cbecd9684057e4-- From nobody Thu May 16 12:32:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3F012028C for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 12:32:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ip0i04WCJzTF for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 12:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB32A120289 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 12:32:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558035132; bh=F3js95bqe+f3YU1DilgnazhkR4Hb5Aijasr7qyJJEzY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=02DI1LNKC/bk/Vp2XYsmDjysFOX7rxb/kTNBtIXMfAKYTsTm6u7W4Snu2Znxs7BkM iG6zrf4NftV0c/cXb7R04pk7OKkRMcs8MJc570pwd1Bot0sbylrP65grL2UtLXtlpU a/izn5z25N1sUJ/Q/nyO3vsFYbSN6S6Hvmxz5HO8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reference 8.2 of RFC7540 to explain Server Push (#2665) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cddbabc7699f_35143fe9b68cd964615854"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 19:32:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cddbabc7699f_35143fe9b68cd964615854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the Server Push section still lacks a simple explanation of what the push does. A sentence like what I added in this PR at the beginning would help that. Currently the Server Push section goes directly into mechanics. https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#server-push "HTTP/3 server push is similar to what is described in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}}, but uses different mechanisms. Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. ..." I'd add more to the first paragraph in case people don't want to read the H2 draft. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2665#issuecomment-493202155 ----==_mimepart_5cddbabc7699f_35143fe9b68cd964615854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the Server Push section still lacks a simple explanation of what the push does. A sentence like what I added in this PR at the beginning would help that. Currently the Server Push section goes directly into mechanics.

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#server-push

"HTTP/3 server push is similar to what is described in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}}, but uses different mechanisms.

Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. ..."

I'd add more to the first paragraph in case people don't want to read the H2 draft.

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I think I'd prefer for the reference to be to 4.4 of the current draft instead, since that does point to RFC7540 and has more context as well.

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Whoops -- which also doesn't have the two-sentence explanation of what push is. That's up in the intro. Let me copy that over to 4.4.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu May 16 15:24:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944F71200FD for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W9WKd4cwHz2g for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 15:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E700B1200C7 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 15:24:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558045492; bh=Dk1E6uTj6qamZKEB+TbaWnZ5/uHO+P8tC9QaAkqz7as=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XQpTZKIq91SRHbZdxeb8zDpmuqU9Q0DgLG67gD/mKi+f87ASch9FTrXXeovRTfAY7 rFVvHf1fIfkxFaKXnGlkEE1+5bIFgbHuptMAuQaHKDve5NTtLQ1Di2yyOCOMID3rHq RVujdTdqu+uJFjGB5IwPJcVGoxEOF+O7kxaTRkcc= From: Alessandro Ghedini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reaplace mentions of MAX_STREAM_ID with MAX_STREAMS in HTTP/3 (#2716) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdde33496766_1d7e3fe8c10cd96c3620bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ghedo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 22:24:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdde33496766_1d7e3fe8c10cd96c3620bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TBH I'm not sure the whole "set GOAWAY last stream id to MAX_STREAM_ID / maximum value allowed by MAX_STREAMS" is really necessary, but I kept it for now. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2716 -- Commit Summary -- * Reaplace mentions of MAX_STREAM_ID with MAX_STREAMS in HTTP/3 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2716.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2716.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2716 ----==_mimepart_5cdde33496766_1d7e3fe8c10cd96c3620bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

TBH I'm not sure the whole "set GOAWAY last stream id to MAX_STREAM_ID / maximum value allowed by MAX_STREAMS" is really necessary, but I kept it for now.

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Otherwise it doesn't get rendered correctly (see https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#rfc.section.6.1.2).

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See The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of {{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used. +If a DATA frame is received before a HEADERS frame on a request stream, the +recipient must respond with a connection error ({{errors}}) of type ```suggestion recipient MUST respond with a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME ``` > @@ -423,6 +423,10 @@ must be received and processed before the message can be consumed. See The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of {{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used. +If a DATA frame is received before a HEADERS frame on a request stream, the +recipient must respond with a connection error ({{errors}}) of type +HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME. ```suggestion ({{errors}}). ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly
-important.
+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).
+
+Ordering of a PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the
+response is important. The server SHOULD send PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH
+frames prior to sending any frames that reference the promised responses.  This

Presumably this includes DATA frames that include a reference? Is it worth calling that out explicitly?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the response is similarly
-important.
+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).
+
+Ordering of a PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the
+response is important. The server SHOULD send PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH
+frames prior to sending any frames that reference the promised responses.  This

Either HEADERS or DATA, which are all the frame types you would expect to be interleaved with.

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This still seems like a pointless restriction to me

I think I share the concern (though I am not sure how much I care). HTTP/3 is expected to allow extension frames to be used without coordination; this PR forbids that to happen on a stream that uses the CONNECT method.

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While it seems to allow @pmeenan's setup, as I mentioned at the bottom of this comment #2502 (comment), I'm not sure that is really necessary.

I think that the question.

While I think this would be a simplification for HTTP/3, it would be an additional complexity for HTTP/2+HTTP/3 as a whole. At the moment, prioritization scheme of HTTP/3 allows implementations to reuse the logic of HTTP/2 prioritization (only what's visible on the wire is different).

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----==_mimepart_5cde032f1e6e6_442b3fe6266cd968478eb-- From nobody Thu May 16 17:51:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3919312032B for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 17:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yrTWMDnFiH8 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 17:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B2F112004C for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 17:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 17:51:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558054315; bh=CgTA5cYGnDxBv+708gewKmANx8sDDKJdr0m2kXJWdKo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=y5BuhTiDBB4fRYwxy5Qv6boMti6wcj47BA5rZnqt80axA8lTEk0Hezfelp3mx+RXh PJNhyOdJsIqVCr2JzocK0tnq5yGzfid1zgCP6YOt6rjcbCTQnN1fLGmD3kI9vNso0C 50XmwRqEzaATug2MLuKthbWs27N4nrPDF1rBHB3o= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde05ab8dcf2_75623fc4310cd96c5023e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 00:51:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde05ab8dcf2_75623fc4310cd96c5023e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I've pointed out, I don't think the mechanism you're asking for is adequately useful for the problem you're trying to solve. I'm not opposed to solving the problem, which is why I'm trying to understand the problem itself. As I said, you would still want a mechanism to replace the existing CID, without which you are stuck draining open connections that aren't changing CID through the life of the connection. I expect this to be fairly common -- most clients are unlikely to change destination CIDs unless there's migration involved. Given this, I still don't see how simply replacing future CIDs is adequate. @ianswett : Do you think the proposed mechanism _without_ replacing the current CID is still useful? Where do you think you might use it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-493279800 ----==_mimepart_5cde05ab8dcf2_75623fc4310cd96c5023e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As I've pointed out, I don't think the mechanism you're asking for is adequately useful for the problem you're trying to solve. I'm not opposed to solving the problem, which is why I'm trying to understand the problem itself.

As I said, you would still want a mechanism to replace the existing CID, without which you are stuck draining open connections that aren't changing CID through the life of the connection. I expect this to be fairly common -- most clients are unlikely to change destination CIDs unless there's migration involved. Given this, I still don't see how simply replacing future CIDs is adequate.

@ianswett : Do you think the proposed mechanism without replacing the current CID is still useful? Where do you think you might use it?

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I'm split on this. While I understand the urge to optimize here, I'm not sure that documenting it here is necessary.

Saying that an endpoint MAY use this signal gives permission, but does so without noting the potential issues. At a minimum, you would need to talk about the problems that are lurking ... especially in light of #2637, as I've noted in my comment on #2644.

Which leads me to wondering if it's really worth documenting this here without more experimentation and data.

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@rmarx:

I want to come back to weight=0 for a moment, because it would allow use to make a node not receive any bandwidth until all its children are finished.

I believe you mean "until all its siblings are finished."

Imo weights between 0 and 255 works as well as between 1 and 256. You might say the weight=0 is a 'special case' but I would disagree: a zero-th share of the bandwidth is 0, it makes sense semantically.

I think the counterargument would be you are supposed to use a dependency chain for ordering the responses. And assuming that is the case, I think I prefer not diverting from what we do in HTTP/2 in minor ways, because that would cause confusion among the users of HTTP.

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----==_mimepart_5cde0b8da3cc2_6a3f3fd581acd960242113-- From nobody Thu May 16 18:30:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BAA120334 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3nAasyIvZ5Pk for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B986C12002F for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:30:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558056613; bh=OIkQlYb86dj+reIVK4aaISstsEe09USQ2tWwRWjz38s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JApqQA+iHgsqCS43fLIPBh1GBzT9L6KWfojS5nK40IRXhKfw3eIokxJ08QHgp2y6f rq1CmUeloIAVHT2lLAnaTADaTzykHZhdv/z76X7xdeZrFW53IrZdpZd5O8l+W0QPew 8XEKobxktd39k9VqgU465gdp0fO1B5hZhWs0126g= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prohibiting server-initiated streams for h3 (#2711) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde0ea592f36_7cb63fc7082cd9682132f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 01:30:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde0ea592f36_7cb63fc7082cd9682132f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This might be a transport question, but how should a client respond to a server trying to open a server-initiated bidirectional stream? Assuming that the client's initial_max_streams_uni is zero, a server would send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame. In response, the client would send a MAX_STREAMS frame with the value set to zero. However, IIUC, this MAX_STREAMS frame merely indicates that the resource is temporary unavailable. That means that the server would be blocked. To rephrase, the transport does not provide a way for an endpoint to reject a stream, without letting the peer to actually send a STREAM frame. Are we fine with that? If we think it as a problem, maybe we should change the definition of initial_max_streams TP. For example, we could specify that the omission of the initial_max_streams TP indicates rejection of the corresponding type of streams being opened (instead of interpreting the omission as "zero"). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2711#issuecomment-493285947 ----==_mimepart_5cde0ea592f36_7cb63fc7082cd9682132f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This might be a transport question, but how should a client respond to a server trying to open a server-initiated bidirectional stream?

Assuming that the client's initial_max_streams_uni is zero, a server would send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame. In response, the client would send a MAX_STREAMS frame with the value set to zero. However, IIUC, this MAX_STREAMS frame merely indicates that the resource is temporary unavailable. That means that the server would be blocked.

To rephrase, the transport does not provide a way for an endpoint to reject a stream, without letting the peer to actually send a STREAM frame. Are we fine with that?

If we think it as a problem, maybe we should change the definition of initial_max_streams TP. For example, we could specify that the omission of the initial_max_streams TP indicates rejection of the corresponding type of streams being opened (instead of interpreting the omission as "zero").

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----==_mimepart_5cde0ea592f36_7cb63fc7082cd9682132f7-- From nobody Thu May 16 18:42:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A3C120341 for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:42:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uVgJJajn3uRP for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B12E812033D for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:42:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558057331; bh=NMqNT7q+JO1wy0e3pNHhByRa0OT+QLxuORnkmOkwpJs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bA0ArY83eeUCae837StrSCD2Qlz+v8Kg86MsDF287VwFoPktFc1HVWLCjaCuQkim4 8BLQIQCmaClitVNJfRmOjxhwaoNdwOsBPWEQckvRUR//MG/PiAlEE8mCzt6/X3p2R/ YsFasffMSFG3LyaKPFsgz/K/31rP/BfeOzVxJTdM= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define under-utilizing the congestion window (#2675) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde1173983a1_3abc3f938c2cd96825393"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 01:42:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde1173983a1_3abc3f938c2cd96825393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully utilized the congestion window without pacing delay. -Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might -cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use -pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses. > The existing text says you SHOULD not burst more than an initial window into the network(ever), with nothing specific to coming out of quiescence. Yes, I think this is the problem. I believe the intent here was to say that a sender SHOULD NOT do more than IW as an upper limit on bursts without recommending that as the correct limit for any bursting. We can either specify that _all_ bursts should be limited to IW, irrespective of how much data is in the network already, or that bursts coming out of quiescence should be limited to IW. While I'm not sure how to change this text here, I'm trying to steer clear of saying something overly broad. (I'll suggest some text). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2675#discussion_r284953524 ----==_mimepart_5cde1173983a1_3abc3f938c2cd96825393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender
 should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully
 utilized the congestion window without pacing delay.
 
-Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might
-cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use
-pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts.
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses.

The existing text says you SHOULD not burst more than an initial window into the network(ever), with nothing specific to coming out of quiescence.

Yes, I think this is the problem. I believe the intent here was to say that a sender SHOULD NOT do more than IW as an upper limit on bursts without recommending that as the correct limit for any bursting.

We can either specify that all bursts should be limited to IW, irrespective of how much data is in the network already, or that bursts coming out of quiescence should be limited to IW. While I'm not sure how to change this text here, I'm trying to steer clear of saying something overly broad. (I'll suggest some text).

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----==_mimepart_5cde1173983a1_3abc3f938c2cd96825393-- From nobody Thu May 16 18:50:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3345612033E for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8JSL3YIiU4L for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BDB512033B for ; Thu, 16 May 2019 18:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 18:50:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558057827; bh=v18bGXNbbw21d5IQlvABQwEoNwJ8bqm3ddxsIAZF5wE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TECVYgFd8Ba/Y2HYMIUJRno8K+bBtiPzP4fa3ojp1m0vEagSFIkDNYtfAmVa7DRvX SQB0fe/ErXTOezdyHWcWvGxwODn1QRn00XQf12IywJqdxh7mwO1HmPwLXUjJzgfhKt i2jea/9y7lxTGg8Xogb2jDk7fV5QDSYjsjk4gVxA= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pacing when under-utilizing the Congestion Window (#2686) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde1363616ca_50853fceda8cd9603421a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 01:50:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde1363616ca_50853fceda8cd9603421a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gorry: Yes, I agree that micro-bursts ought to be smaller than IW. That's sensible, I think, but we really don't have a best practice for micro-bursts that we can point to (I just remembered that I had written a [draft](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iyengar-burst-mitigation-01) with mallman 14 years ago on trying to specify micro-burst behavior!). Yes, RFC 4960 uses a simple micro-burst of 4 segments, but that was based on RFC 3390, which used to limit the initial window to at most 4 segments. That's changed now, but I'd be wary of reflecting that change onto micro-bursts, because the analysis is quite different. So while I agree that largest(max_burst) <= IW, I think talking about max_burst adds something new to what the draft is currently talking about. The draft is simply using IW for both connection start-up and noting that as a known upper bound for bursts. That is not the same as specifying max_burst however. I think we ought to say something for senders coming out of an app limited period. (Perhaps we should say that bursting SHOULD be limited in the absence of pacing and add a note to various past max_burst limits without specifying a new one?) I'm not keen to specify a max_burst here (but I'm not sure if that's a tenable position). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2686#issuecomment-493289281 ----==_mimepart_5cde1363616ca_50853fceda8cd9603421a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Gorry: Yes, I agree that micro-bursts ought to be smaller than IW. That's sensible, I think, but we really don't have a best practice for micro-bursts that we can point to (I just remembered that I had written a draft with mallman 14 years ago on trying to specify micro-burst behavior!).

Yes, RFC 4960 uses a simple micro-burst of 4 segments, but that was based on RFC 3390, which used to limit the initial window to at most 4 segments. That's changed now, but I'd be wary of reflecting that change onto micro-bursts, because the analysis is quite different.

So while I agree that largest(max_burst) <= IW, I think talking about max_burst adds something new to what the draft is currently talking about. The draft is simply using IW for both connection start-up and noting that as a known upper bound for bursts. That is not the same as specifying max_burst however.

I think we ought to say something for senders coming out of an app limited period. (Perhaps we should say that bursting SHOULD be limited in the absence of pacing and add a note to various past max_burst limits without specifying a new one?)

I'm not keen to specify a max_burst here (but I'm not sure if that's a tenable position).

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@igorlord, yes that sounds about right, but we probably want to specify that a server that cannot validate a new source MUST blackhole packets from that source.

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Sure, though this is already what falls out from the text. There is already explicit text that source address validation is a MUST.

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It may also be due to implementations not implementing path migration logic or maintain the necessary state, or servers that wish to use 0-length CIDs.

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HTTP draft sect. 6.1

These streams carry frames related to the request/response (see Section 4.1). When a stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was truncated, this MUST be treated as a connection error (see HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME in Section 8.1).

I can see the point of always sending the header fields of a frame, but if a data frame is required to be sent in full or have the connection closed, it is hard for a server to stop a cancelled request without having the connection closed when it sends an entire file in a single data frame.

Splitting up files into multiple frames ought to be done because the length is not known in advance, not to avoid connection close.

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There is also the concern of conflating migration with targeted load balancing. Even if you did replace the current CID, what happens if the client migrates frequently. All future CID's would be drawn from a pool of CID's that might point to the wrong endpoint process. This means you would have to split up the CID's into two parts: an address and a sequence number, both appearing random externally. You would then change the address part, but leave the sequence selection to the client. This appears to be rather overengineered. Alternatively the current CID could be replaced post migration which might just be few roundtrips of sub-optimal performance before hitting the proper destination, under the assumption that migration is is not that frequent. This also shows that having the server initiate a migration (which is not currently possibly) is insufficient unless the client future CID's are tied to a specific server path.

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----==_mimepart_5cde5d9cc1a80_5d563fb2dbecd95c124586-- From nobody Fri May 17 00:53:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51791120364 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 00:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5FagCCk7pqk for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 00:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C25F11201A1 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 00:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 00:53:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558079605; bh=3ohyQpbA4Mz2f77qU2gHPXgaPXYJQriuBIgzG6NrdxQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LbCdShXRHujNqOTbW3t8oeKU9BG3UHCkcn5u000YJ0w54rgJPpCr0a5td4Nxop/Ww WyxNR3U73/U5M+KgS61crxwe79qw4/4Nf5CDj29k8sZiH9v+SZMeYU8Z3zLXhyrmvS cjE4KP3eI03AdkeM6IeyqVg4pXCuXAdKlou3T42M= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde687559bd6_75713ff149ccd95c25027"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 07:53:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde687559bd6_75713ff149ccd95c25027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If strict interruption is not critical, it would simplify the QUIC API if weights can be applied and updated to active QUIC streams such that the QUIC scheduler can use weighted round robin to decide what to send next without tracking which streams are currently blocked. It would also allow very small streams to complete even if they have low priority, for example small SVC icons. On the other hand, HTTP/3 probably shouldn't start new streams of lower priority while there are higher priority streams still transmitting or ready to be transmitted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493359026 ----==_mimepart_5cde687559bd6_75713ff149ccd95c25027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If strict interruption is not critical, it would simplify the QUIC API if weights can be applied and updated to active QUIC streams such that the QUIC scheduler can use weighted round robin to decide what to send next without tracking which streams are currently blocked. It would also allow very small streams to complete even if they have low priority, for example small SVC icons. On the other hand, HTTP/3 probably shouldn't start new streams of lower priority while there are higher priority streams still transmitting or ready to be transmitted.

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I don't think the transport should police what streams are opened beyond managing resource consumption. It may well be, in some other app protocol, that a server is free to open bidi streams, but only if they start with a certain header, or none at all. The app protocol should make both endpoints agree and what is permitted and police accordingly. An application layer could have credits similar to MAX_STREAMS to permit opening certain streams with or without a header. The transport need not deal with this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender
 should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully
 utilized the congestion window without pacing delay.
 
-Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might
-cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use
-pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts.
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses.

If not out of quiescence, an IW burst would probably be bad. You could just wait a millisecond or two and repeat in badly designed pacing logic.

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----==_mimepart_5cde6b27dbb06_6a353fd581acd96013315b-- From nobody Fri May 17 01:27:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1842B1201AF for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 01:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rKNQ1i6JzDL5 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 01:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FCB9120041 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 01:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 01:27:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558081645; bh=dj8Q/nDNMWvMk6RLv+jGarjXMjcH2Sgy1FiOiEo/y9Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ufQIA2B4zcpvpHnOSFpkYYW8JfDiAZghrfDWvBF5qriDoMub/El+YjVlQol4WikMp +SupWQhIyflq+++BDcy/WC7XlaVxduBcdUHgOpGIT7MgabjFkonnayBEJeHVpLiomB NZfOWp+tZ0RJwH8HXl2ItYuyt+ivlsVlGMtiIFF8= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde706d2f65e_46893ff3e6acd96434404a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 08:27:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde706d2f65e_46893ff3e6acd96434404a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify, I am not saying strict interruption is not critical. I am saying strict interruption **inside a single, sequential queue** is not critical. As in: CSS/JS should still definitely interrupt images and the small SVG icon should not make progress until higher priority resources are fully fetched. The main thing we lost imo when getting rid of exclusive dependencies in practice, was the ability to fully re-prioritize within a sequential list, the way that Chrome is doing its H2 setup (without placeholder, all nodes are daisy-chained). In https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513 I did a thought experiment of how we might do Chrome's behaviour with the current text and it comes out very similar. The only thing missing is the ability to interrupt within a single priority "bucket" (represented by a placeholder). My point is that I doubt this is necessary, as I don't feel you want to interrupt e.g., a Font file for a CSS file. And even if you would want that, you could add an extra priority bucket. I am however not very sure this is the case, so that's what I wanted @pmeenan's input on. If that specific ability is not very critical, it is my feeling we do not need this change, as it would add much complexity and departure from HTTP/2, while gaining us little. I would be more in favor of providing an extension that just implements Pat's original proposal outside of the main setup (so no tree, nodes, placeholders, etc.). I am perfectly willing to help write such a document btw, @pmeenan ;) It is possible that Pat's proposal (and by consequence, this PR) allows additional options that weren't possible in H2 that I haven't considered. That would be a good argument to push forward with this, but I haven't seen a concrete example of those yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493369036 ----==_mimepart_5cde706d2f65e_46893ff3e6acd96434404a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To clarify, I am not saying strict interruption is not critical. I am = saying strict interruption inside a single, sequential queue is not critical.

As in: CSS/JS should still definitely interrupt images and the small S= VG icon should not make progress until higher priority resources are full= y fetched.

The main thing we lost imo when getting rid of exclusive dependencies = in practice, was the ability to fully re-prioritize within a sequential l= ist, the way that Chrome is doing its H2 setup (without placeholder, all = nodes are daisy-chained). In #2502 (comment) I did a tho= ught experiment of how we might do Chrome's behaviour with the current te= xt and it comes out very similar. The only thing missing is the ability t= o interrupt within a single priority "bucket" (represented by a placehold= er). My point is that I doubt this is necessary, as I don't feel you want= to interrupt e.g., a Font file for a CSS file. And even if you would wan= t that, you could add an extra priority bucket. I am however not very sur= e this is the case, so that's what I wanted @pmeenan's input on.=

If that specific ability is not very critical, it is my feeling we do = not need this change, as it would add much complexity and departure from = HTTP/2, while gaining us little. I would be more in favor of providing an= extension that just implements Pat's original proposal outside of the ma= in setup (so no tree, nodes, placeholders, etc.). I am perfectly willing = to help write such a document btw, @pmeenan ;)

It is possible that Pat's proposal (and by consequence, this PR) allow= s additional options that weren't possible in H2 that I haven't considere= d. That would be a good argument to push forward with this, but I haven't= seen a concrete example of those yet.

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Maybe it's a good idea if I prepare some slides with examples of trees in the different proposals for Thursday, to help guide the discussion?

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----==_mimepart_5cde86facdc32_554c3ff149ccd95c11393ac-- From nobody Fri May 17 03:26:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B782E120228 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 03:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1moCJ-WxucaL for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 03:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06C471201ED for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 03:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 03:26:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558088774; bh=EdTsleeadLtSjNOm5HaCTy4B66T4E+QFJEKi/nI0Nvs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nOI3St6OLhmcpon9q0+HPo+Ay7potxQTH90j+PW7424TYYZl0yHZYPcZ4Y09DhiZu eLvgq9EPDVbqvOiWeVQPyU0hKTmxsDMXlfzQ11H8CdzJVKWTj6zcG5HmzKbOSEUgSy QNnd6EibSM8D/hFfARiU5EedmkUocDZ48zfMsz/k= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Truncated http stream error handling is aggressive (#2718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cde8c46ca8d_57293ff4ebacd96834252a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 10:26:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cde8c46ca8d_57293ff4ebacd96834252a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you create a stream that is invalid, then it is perfectly reasonable to kill the connection. If you make a bad prediction that results in having to abandon a stream, then RESET_STREAM is the tool you use. You don't close the stream as though it was OK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2718#issuecomment-493405408 ----==_mimepart_5cde8c46ca8d_57293ff4ebacd96834252a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If you create a stream that is invalid, then it is perfectly reasonable to kill the connection. If you make a bad prediction that results in having to abandon a stream, then RESET_STREAM is the tool you use. You don't close the stream as though it was OK.

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Right. The transport only needs to concern itself with policing stream limits. The question here is more about how the use of h3 constrains future extension. As Mikkel says, if there is a use for the server-initiated streams, we shouldn't constrain that.

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Right. After thinking this over again, I think @mikkelfj's case falls into the bracket of request cancellation desribed in section 5.1.2 of draft 20.

Someone wants to abruptly finish the request or response, so it is not a clean termination.

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Q: Should we allow it for QUIC, but not allow it for HTTP/3?

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No, the application layer shouldn't deal with transport security. If the security properties changes, it should be a new QUIC version.

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----==_mimepart_5cdea0bb25e7c_77043ffbc28cd964157bb-- From nobody Fri May 17 05:35:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EDF1201BB for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 05:35:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUgzjENeEbPr for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 05:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49EF612004A for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 05:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 05:35:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558096530; bh=8CWcFW97mKqZgSmM7DmPQzEKrNzMn4oDH6jlu+5BHl8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IMYCnfoHbXlGAaF/WIyRtsqwOyRhF2w3QB2RTOyfjr1LCIzTvuHbRo71XXGWFbpgk 68NPA/3JszC2ee3sZwc9f31+/1aE9AWQrA7UbWAxSGrM/7taNUq8ucYcrtGeJnxN4u xBrQAsCbGH43/wXWAdoePi2ziJCVtPlaaYJsIAjg= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Bring back AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8 now that we pad the plaintext (#2581) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdeaa91e9c48_2b153fc308acd9641524232"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 12:35:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdeaa91e9c48_2b153fc308acd9641524232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @mikkelfj on this one. HTTP/2 doesn't disable CCM_8 when run over TLS 1.3. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2581#issuecomment-493437438 ----==_mimepart_5cdeaa91e9c48_2b153fc308acd9641524232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @mikkelfj on this one. HTTP/2 doesn't disable CCM_8 when run over TLS 1.3.

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But if I argue that CCM_8 changes security properties, you might disagree since that would move CCM_8 to a new QUIC version.

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@DavidSchinazi this doesn't seem like a very persuasive analogy, given that HTTP/2 has a long list of rules about disabling ciphers that were present in TLS 1.2:

https://tools.ietf.org/rfcmarkup?doc=7540#section-9.2.2

The reason that it doesn't have that in TLS 1.3 is because (1) TLS 1.3 post-dates HTTP/2 and (2) the suites were chosen according to the same principles

Second, as a practical matter, most browsers do not support CCM_8, and I suspect that will continue to be true for most stacks, partly because performance is not awesome (as it requires computing CBC). If, as @RyanAtGoogle implies, we want to have a cipher with a shorter authentication tag (I'm undecided on this topic myself at present) for general use then we should consult CFRG for one, rather than just use the one that happened to be the one that IoT devices supported.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender
 should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully
 utilized the congestion window without pacing delay.
 
-Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might
-cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use
-pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts.
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses.

I'd rather have it apply always, because I don't want to have one packet sent, and then a sender can burst the full window. Making it specific to quiescence adds unnecessary complexity to the rules and may not accomplish the goal of mitigating the congestion caused to other flows of bursty sending.

I thought my existing text does that, but people are still confused, so better text would be greatly appreciated.

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@janaiyengar The mechanism would have to include a way to request/force the client to change CID ASAP to be useful. Only a way to retire outstanding CIDs is fairly useless in my opinion. I assume the mechanism to enforce this would be a GOAWAY followed by a connection close containing a FAILED_TO_ROTATE_CID error if the client didn't change in time.

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----==_mimepart_5cdeae523477e_96c3fe1aaecd96810393f2-- From nobody Fri May 17 05:55:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C91120161 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H_Y0Ln4iPvHY for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD961120151 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 05:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 05:55:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558097752; bh=rrc9le9OEDTX+DjHX7XnX0dQwx8eAbtvKWL83hh8K2A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gYOMnYzpkPGPkeXvoUsGR77/S7shp0TobrDgJqumr9Ve8cbIU4rDHRddiViguYDzx C16HdjekVJhkUWQkAKE3ZQRky4s8cHrihlY27WBfwaLHBoMGIkHncBCJxvjW7WtyK9 lfSrEDdFo00MvAHQlLvUMoI+Z4iijJEoKx9oHtJw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define under-utilizing the congestion window (#2675) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdeaf58cbf51_70aa3ff3e6acd964733934"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 12:55:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdeaf58cbf51_70aa3ff3e6acd964733934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully utilized the congestion window without pacing delay. -Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might -cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use -pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses. The problem is that it is not clear when the next burst can be sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2675#discussion_r285113566 ----==_mimepart_5cdeaf58cbf51_70aa3ff3e6acd964733934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -848,9 +850,10 @@ and not fully utilize the congestion window due to this delay. A sender
 should not consider itself application limited if it would have fully
 utilized the congestion window without pacing delay.
 
-Bursting more than an intial window's worth of data into the network might
-cause short-term congestion and losses. Implemementations SHOULD either use
-pacing or reduce their congestion window to limit such bursts.
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a burst of load that might cause short-term congestion and losses.

The problem is that it is not clear when the next burst can be sent.

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I'm a fan of forbidding it's use as an actual RTT measurement, which would be one reason to say something?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a
-DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).  Ordering of a
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+DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).
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+Ordering of a PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH in relation to certain parts of the
+response is important. The server SHOULD send PUSH_PROMISE or DUPLICATE_PUSH
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----==_mimepart_5cdeb81d43ce8_353c3f8aa68cd9605013e4-- From nobody Fri May 17 08:16:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155D6120403 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IMD9pj4SZ0OP for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64E1F1203F0 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 08:16:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558106207; bh=/Lx3qyd32tEzNjn5XFzVKFAp4fWlEnL3FNo/Mg6drw4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X/gOAronNUMfqoF++KO072wtSe6Znz6Rdntd+jQhK2weVBw1RBWRlM+Um/HPqe/HO PynO0+eNJf5JAbdaP+TpHHFHLElmryw3GVfrRq1zkfe+W4s4iB/lk+GVsZxfAhuqM1 Sy8W1Ys651jV8oHdDT6EDTYFO/4+Sg7iK/5OWMdw= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cded05f8ab64_20f23faf8c6cd95c225279"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 15:16:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cded05f8ab64_20f23faf8c6cd95c225279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho writes: > While I think this would be a simplification for HTTP/3, it would be an additional complexity for HTTP/2+HTTP/3 as a whole. At the moment, prioritization scheme of HTTP/3 allows implementations to reuse the logic of HTTP/2 prioritization (only what's visible on the wire is different). This is an important aspect of this discussion. Extant HTTP/2 stacks can use the current (ID-20) version of HTTP/3 prioritization with few changes. Radical departures from it will inevitably result in more work for them -- not just in programming effort, but also to research how to use the new prioritization scheme effectively. To be adopted, a new prioritization model should be substantially and demonstrably better than the current one. The proponents of new schemes should catalogue use cases (as @rmarx also mentions above) for comparison with the current scheme. Recent reports (both in clients and servers) indicate that HTTP/2 prioritization is already being leveraged to produce substantial performance benefits. It would be nice if these solutions could be used in HTTP/3 as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493491549 ----==_mimepart_5cded05f8ab64_20f23faf8c6cd95c225279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho writes:

While I think this would be a simplification for HTTP/3, it would be an additional complexity for HTTP/2+HTTP/3 as a whole. At the moment, prioritization scheme of HTTP/3 allows implementations to reuse the logic of HTTP/2 prioritization (only what's visible on the wire is different).

This is an important aspect of this discussion. Extant HTTP/2 stacks can use the current (ID-20) version of HTTP/3 prioritization with few changes. Radical departures from it will inevitably result in more work for them -- not just in programming effort, but also to research how to use the new prioritization scheme effectively.

To be adopted, a new prioritization model should be substantially and demonstrably better than the current one. The proponents of new schemes should catalogue use cases (as @rmarx also mentions above) for comparison with the current scheme.

Recent reports (both in clients and servers) indicate that HTTP/2 prioritization is already being leveraged to produce substantial performance benefits. It would be nice if these solutions could be used in HTTP/3 as well.

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Code reuse from an old spec is IMO not a good basis on which to make design decisions for a new spec, while proven concepts could be.

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This is an important aspect of this discussion. Extant HTTP/2 stacks can use the current (ID-20) version of HTTP/3 prioritization with few changes. Radical departures from it will inevitably result in more work for them -- not just in programming effort, but also to research how to use the new prioritization scheme effectively.

Which stacks do you have in mind?

A survey of user agents indicates that the priority trees were designed once and not iterated on. Developers or users have little control to modify behaviour here.

On the server side, the priority tree is an input into the logic. If the servers' processing is tightly coupled to the input scheme, that would suggest difficulty in trying out alternatives, which is maybe an indicator to the feasible success of prioritisation extensions.

As Cloudflare recently blogged about, our extant HTTP/2 stack has many problems in trying to deliver on the intended design expections. However, a broad set of those problems had nothing to do with the priority tree itself.

Yes, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. However, we should also be aware that there's going to be a ton of work to determine how HTTP/3 performs in real-world usage scenarios. Predicting the effects of HTTP/3's design on that work is hard.

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Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the establishment of 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions are met, a sender switches to sending packets using the short header (Section 17.3).

What are these "both conditions"?

Also, can there be made a clear statement such that: all packets prior to Application PN space use long headers, and all packets in application PN space uses short headers?

And, the table of frames with section references, would it make sense to add PN space columns with an X where a frame is applicable?

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In case multiple connections share the same five-tuple, that is, have the same source and destination IP address and UDP ports, endpoints should try to co-ordinate across all connections to ensure a clear signal to any on-path measurement points.

How would that work when 1/8th of the connections are not spinning? Wouldn't that either be sending a misleading signal, or violate the 1/8th rule?

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----==_mimepart_5cdeed57e4687_1fd13f93f36cd95c3010ee-- From nobody Fri May 17 10:44:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDF6120194 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5kH3SYC2QE0V for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 456D8120175 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 10:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 10:44:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558115050; bh=fhQQKYLZf+yc8AKlQEVHuqlBhin3E2ePVgRJjZBbkbU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r5GPInkEYuk6TWXsBwHYiI4P1ytAE/vI+O65Wp+TElHtPQzWF7anrVGJjzW2UkQmM bdQ9Xz7SK22MKBElcTvnZirz0jdJZki61s2AlhufKqXwmJlB0WK1EzCyW2ky/pgwPQ n5xztMtF3LaJuhvXhWND1qwqIp2egkQCnrbxWj/Y= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdef2e9f07b6_2e5e3fdcf72cd968531862"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 17:44:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdef2e9f07b6_2e5e3fdcf72cd968531862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj writes: > Code reuse from an old spec is IMO not a good basis on which to make design decisions for a new spec, while proven concepts could be. I agree. My point is mostly that one technology already works. @lucasp writes: > Which stacks do you have in mind? I mean mostly browsers. It is they that have to figure out how to use priorities effectively. The servers just have to follow what the client says. > Yes, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. However, we should also be aware that there's going to be a ton of work to determine how HTTP/3 performs in real-world usage scenarios. Predicting the effects of HTTP/3's design on that work is hard. The logical next step is to make prioritization configurable? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493539428 ----==_mimepart_5cdef2e9f07b6_2e5e3fdcf72cd968531862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Code reuse from an old spec is IMO not a good basis on which to make design decisions for a new spec, while proven concepts could be.

I agree. My point is mostly that one technology already works.

@lucasp writes:

Which stacks do you have in mind?

I mean mostly browsers. It is they that have to figure out how to use priorities effectively. The servers just have to follow what the client says.

Yes, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. However, we should also be aware that there's going to be a ton of work to determine how HTTP/3 performs in real-world usage scenarios. Predicting the effects of HTTP/3's design on that work is hard.

The logical next step is to make prioritization configurable?

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Much of what's in the base spec is for the unextended protocol, and I think this is an instance of that. However, this is a MUST which we don't permit the server to enforce, which argues for making it a SHOULD instead. Maybe SHOULD omit/zero, "unless an extension which defines their use is being offered."? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2711#issuecomment-493543718 ----==_mimepart_5cdef60c3ad6d_57eb3f8f58ccd96480269c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On the other hand, an extension could modify this requirement, too. Much of what's in the base spec is for the unextended protocol, and I think this is an instance of that.

However, this is a MUST which we don't permit the server to enforce, which argues for making it a SHOULD instead. Maybe SHOULD omit/zero, "unless an extension which defines their use is being offered."?

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MUST not accept any bidirectional streams that are not explicitly permitted by extensions.

I'm not sure about stream header formats here - it would be easy to create conflicts across extensions.

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I actually encountered this bug in the past, where the server decided to truncate a response but didn't indicate that there was an abort. Then the truncated response was cached and served to future clients.

If you're not going to finish the response, RESET the stream so everyone knows it.

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Multiple issues listed here. Please consider opening separate issues rather than lumping them all together.

(1) This is old language we agreed to in Chicago. The requirement to shift to short headers was 1-RTT key availability and version agreement, to accommodate versions where the final keys might be available immediately (i.e. out-of-band agreement) but version negotiation still had to complete.

However, that's a principle for the invariants or such a version, not a requirement of this QUIC version -- and the version negotiation language this referenced is gone now.

(2) What is "Application PN space"? 0-RTT and 1-RTT? If so, then no -- 0-RTT packets carry application data but are long-header packets.

(3) Unrelated editorial suggestion -- please open a separate issue.

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----==_mimepart_5cdef90fe7db0_168f3fd2a36cd9681041436-- From nobody Fri May 17 11:14:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19241201EF for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qg70ymGQLT7H for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 512A412006A for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 11:14:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558116892; bh=q1T5IkS0G/Xo8Xz8672+p+XYLEeSi2ldgEiGYEW25B0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=NPaMfu5oaRgD6T/cmghrMfZKv5dYRoj6AvoeIcY33RI4IJKK75UTvTbvUfmXDfpmY NWTXsjvVxYUNjT8CTqTjGgNnL9w/sPi3KAgEj6DVkNsYm8lGPdlfuFCaX6kMJ8UUZO NaRekFc6Y/8n+GyAD+nrGqyyNglqwaGqtjHzzujU= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] c9fb88: Push SHOULD precede reference (#2704) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 18:14:55 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c9fb881067afc4fec72ec6af643ec6504bc5187a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9fb881067afc4fec72ec6af643ec6504bc5187a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-05-17 (Fri, 17 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Push SHOULD precede reference (#2704) * Push SHOULD precede reference * Reduces MT's suggestion * Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md Co-Authored-By: ianswett From nobody Fri May 17 11:16:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5548C1201EF for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 742Md2TqKaNB for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F052D12006A for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 11:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 11:16:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558116990; bh=3pJ+UTe0fAshrBPojGg+8H0MSZuG9FMaNQKDXsvXIUY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=d+hJ5v5QLwHGUTVcfan/h+HCTqaak8jwCnouitsH+9m5fdCjnvDnufTHjAu346A1H ptyRLCdF50e/wsy1FvkJCLpCuaAiAbUb0+mk5FdUaH6KwWUrKAxvVnrQ3l1pHobotT k6p5TIb/wiIfdJL9x4GdRsuvZ0YH71flT06o5ZMo= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 64e92a: Script updating gh-pages from c9fb8810. 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Thanks for the added text Mike, it looks great. I'm happy with this, so it's up to you to decide when this is ready to merge.

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Thanks for the improvements, Mike!

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Would it make sense to add PN space columns to the table of frames with section references, with an X where a frame is applicable? Transport section 12.4

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#frames

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(3) see #2721

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Until now, only bidirectional streams were specified to treat a truncated last frame on a cleanly terminated stream as an error. With this pr, the same logic applies to push streams as well.

I just slightly reworded the text from the bidirectional streams section and put it into the push stream section. Not sure if this is the best solution but I'm also not sure where to put the text if the text for both the bidirectional streams and push streams had to be combined.

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Thanks for all the excellent suggestions. > When a client initiates a request, a PRIORITY frame MAY be sent as the first frame of the stream, creating a dependency on an existing element. In order to ensure that prioritization is processed in a consistent order, any subsequent -PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the control stream. A -PRIORITY frame received after other frames on a request stream MUST be treated -as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME. +PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the request stream. Agreed, it's possible I should separate that change from this one. I know some WG members are fairly unhappy that they can't process PRIORITY frames immediately in cases when the stream hasn't arrived yet, but it's not 100% clear to me that's too painful in practice. > When a client initiates a request, a PRIORITY frame MAY be sent as the first frame of the stream, creating a dependency on an existing element. In order to ensure that prioritization is processed in a consistent order, any subsequent -PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the control stream. A -PRIORITY frame received after other frames on a request stream MUST be treated -as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME. +PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the request stream. I've now reverted this portion of the change, thanks for the suggestion. > Weight: - : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the prioritized - element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a - weight between 1 and 256. + : An optional unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the + prioritized element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value + to obtain a weight between 1 and 256. When absent, indicates the resource + should be delivered all at once or not at all. Thanks @rmarx suggestion taken. > {: #element-dependency-types title="Element Dependency Types"} Note that unlike in {{!RFC7540}}, the root of the tree cannot be referenced -using a Stream ID of 0, as in QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request. The -root of the tree cannot be reprioritized. +using 0, so the root of the tree cannot be reprioritized. The PRIORITY frame can express relationships which might not be permitted based on the stream on which it is sent or its position in the stream. These situations MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames: - A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream with the Prioritized Element Type I added back another one, but it's still a short list. I believe one more will end up being added, so keeping the structure for now to minimize diffs. > - Pushes, identified by the Push ID of the promised resource ({{frame-push-promise}}) - Placeholders, identified by a Placeholder ID -Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection -form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root -of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated -as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree -changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized -elements. - -Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is -not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested -priority. +In HTTP/3, stream dependencies that were implicitly encoded by dependencies in +HTTP/2 are explicitly encoded with strict prioritization. This simplifies +priority tree management, eliminates potential new race conditions introduced +by HTTP/3's multiple streams, and improves framing efficiency with more than +64 requests. Removed. > When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight -of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the -root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which -the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. +of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are Agreed, I'll change to 0 weight, which is equivalent to omitting a weight. > When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight -of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the -root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which -the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent. +of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. 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Thanks for all the excellent suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 When a client initiates a request, a PRIORITY frame MAY be sent as the first
 frame of the stream, creating a dependency on an existing element.  In order to
 ensure that prioritization is processed in a consistent order, any subsequent
-PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the control stream.  A
-PRIORITY frame received after other frames on a request stream MUST be treated
-as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.
+PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the request stream.

Agreed, it's possible I should separate that change from this one. I know some WG members are fairly unhappy that they can't process PRIORITY frames immediately in cases when the stream hasn't arrived yet, but it's not 100% clear to me that's too painful in practice.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 When a client initiates a request, a PRIORITY frame MAY be sent as the first
 frame of the stream, creating a dependency on an existing element.  In order to
 ensure that prioritization is processed in a consistent order, any subsequent
-PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the control stream.  A
-PRIORITY frame received after other frames on a request stream MUST be treated
-as a connection error of type HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME.
+PRIORITY frames for that request MUST be sent on the request stream.

I've now reverted this portion of the change, thanks for the suggestion.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
-  : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the prioritized
-    element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a
-    weight between 1 and 256.
+  : An optional unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the
+    prioritized element (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value
+    to obtain a weight between 1 and 256.  When absent, indicates the resource
+    should be delivered all at once or not at all.

Thanks @rmarx suggestion taken.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  {: #element-dependency-types title="Element Dependency Types"}
 
 Note that unlike in {{!RFC7540}}, the root of the tree cannot be referenced
-using a Stream ID of 0, as in QUIC stream 0 carries a valid HTTP request.  The
-root of the tree cannot be reprioritized.
+using 0, so the root of the tree cannot be reprioritized.
 
 The PRIORITY frame can express relationships which might not be permitted based
 on the stream on which it is sent or its position in the stream. These
 situations MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames:
 
 - A PRIORITY frame sent on a request stream with the Prioritized Element Type

I added back another one, but it's still a short list. I believe one more will end up being added, so keeping the structure for now to minimize diffs.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  - Pushes, identified by the Push ID of the promised resource
   ({{frame-push-promise}})
 - Placeholders, identified by a Placeholder ID
 
-Taken together, the dependencies across all prioritized elements in a connection
-form a dependency tree. An element can depend on another element or on the root
-of the tree. A reference to an element which is no longer in the tree is treated
-as a reference to the root of the tree. The structure of the dependency tree
-changes as PRIORITY frames modify the dependency links between prioritized
-elements.
-
-Due to reordering between streams, an element can also be prioritized which is
-not yet in the tree. Such elements are added to the tree with the requested
-priority.
+In HTTP/3, stream dependencies that were implicitly encoded by dependencies in
+HTTP/2 are explicitly encoded with strict prioritization.  This simplifies
+priority tree management, eliminates potential new race conditions introduced
+by HTTP/3's multiple streams, and improves framing efficiency with more than
+64 requests.

Removed.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight
-of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the
-root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which
-the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent.
+of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are

Agreed, I'll change to 0 weight, which is equivalent to omitting a weight.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 When a prioritized element is first created, it has a default initial weight
-of 16 and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are dependent on the
-root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client request on which
-the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent.
+of 16, priority of 16, and a default dependency. Requests and placeholders are
+dependent on the root of the priority tree; pushes are dependent on the client
+request on which the PUSH_PROMISE frame was sent.

Good point, will fix this.

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From nobody Fri May 17 13:24:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9112D120252 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C49J7iushK7b for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F88012011C for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 13:24:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558124686; bh=Ewr6sc+4XsB2hXvZ+W1lhSUT6s79E+BrtNYO1Wa7b1Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=daHXvM8DF/vcGkVLdXsjTaeHPqLkvP490JuiqJuOOrtwOsuBoZ17IJdIoeO0gTEZS wvetjC8h1lljqkOV/nc0/Z+ADZ/DAqRT9XPHB0JbIlo+wC4jDJfgbFjGgEJ+kavy8+ NL/VQchw81Wd7c8tBhWkg34gIvrS1/vSFBSA9YcM= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] GOAWAY errors are wrong (#2714) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdf188e5cdbb_da93fa143ecd960905573"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 20:24:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdf188e5cdbb_da93fa143ecd960905573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2714 via #2707. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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[ci skip] From nobody Fri May 17 13:28:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AB812011C for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BYuh4m9c2T4M for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 087091200E5 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 13:28:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558124910; bh=WGjk84ryPK7EMiUF5CUHCXK4gpEd5Pbf2AldC5OjVl0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J66JfgczzDChGO59kJLD4CFtU1gBx9LNg3/+lnoreZkNBpSNWEWLpXupuy3fdkyw8 JTTqeR8dF3llvtj5Wwc1bD3YXK8LTJUOqEj0bDBFu7eM7j0dabl6TAOXS+ujUmMLG2 13kHgeejHcUAPti1pzcZkQF7QktgrjT9SUWhZWX4= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdf196ece16a_8ef3fc2568cd9647440e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 20:28:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdf196ece16a_8ef3fc2568cd9647440e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I mean mostly browsers. It is they that have to figure out how to use priorities effectively. The servers just have to follow what the client says. I hypothesise the challenge there will be how to manage prioritisation of different resources on different hosts being fetched using different protocols. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493589246 ----==_mimepart_5cdf196ece16a_8ef3fc2568cd9647440e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I mean mostly browsers. It is they that have to figure out how to use priorities effectively. The servers just have to follow what the client says.

I hypothesise the challenge there will be how to manage prioritisation of different resources on different hosts being fetched using different protocols.

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----==_mimepart_5cdf196ece16a_8ef3fc2568cd9647440e6-- From nobody Fri May 17 13:31:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC82120259 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zyLdKLNLXfoP for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 452D4120256 for ; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 13:31:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558125093; bh=MksYxhdstz0TNX4/zHX0kje/GzZcANzl7W7ZczhzL88=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JWmdvGf4A92T9guVs8stvvlj/dCvoeFZMJiJkUnLBaozTXJ4KiICdSAaYCWSKBN8R sus9BsuOfn5ecTu4ZEXhdfyD+bEaNhQkO+XWBl4xfNN7WcjJ8aliYqPTkVh6lKPGyR RUZt8GLXf9qLJB6DOmD87R6hz4uC2Tz0UMCkzXHI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdf1a256180f_71e3fbe7d6cd95c24738e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 20:31:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdf1a256180f_71e3fbe7d6cd95c24738e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the follow-up discussion. I think some slides for the interim would be helpful, and I'm happy to work on them with @rmarx or anyone else who's there and wants to contribute. On the matter of re-using HTTP/2 code, I think we've already departed enough that major changes are going to be necessary for many implementations. For example, I believe Chrome would be best off moving to using a linked list of placeholders for it's priority buckets as @rmarx described. In terms of complexity, this can be simplified some and I believe still represent the full functionality of HTTP/2. In particular, strict priorities in placeholders or placeholders depending upon placeholders could be removed, since they're largely duplicative. On a personal note, I'd prefer to adopt something closer to Patrick Meenan's proposal, but on that thread there was the theoretical use case of a proxy that wants to fairly share connectivity to an ORIGIN. It doesn't appear anyone's using that, so I'd prefer to jettison it, but I'm trying to find a proposal we can agree on. One thing to appreciate is that HTTP/2 is head-of-line blocking, but HTTP/3 is not, so waiting two RTTs before pruning may result in much more frequent issues in HTTP/3. I'd recommend 3 * PTO or some much longer value. I see changing HTTP/3's priority scheme similar to changing from HPACK to QPACK. We need to acknowledge that removing HoL blocking is going to cause issues(that's why we removed exclusive prioritization) and make adjustments. We've already made two large-ish changes, but we still don't have something with completely deterministic behavior. In other parts of the transport(and QPACK), we've balked at pathological edge cases like that proposed in #2690, so it seems inconsistent to say it's OK for this one case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493590118 ----==_mimepart_5cdf1a256180f_71e3fbe7d6cd95c24738e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the follow-up discussion. I think some slides for the inter= im would be helpful, and I'm happy to work on them with @rmarx or= anyone else who's there and wants to contribute.

On the matter of re-using HTTP/2 code, I think we've already departed = enough that major changes are going to be necessary for many implementati= ons. For example, I believe Chrome would be best off moving to using a l= inked list of placeholders for it's priority buckets as @rmarx de= scribed.

In terms of complexity, this can be simplified some and I believe stil= l represent the full functionality of HTTP/2. In particular, strict prio= rities in placeholders or placeholders depending upon placeholders could = be removed, since they're largely duplicative.

On a personal note, I'd prefer to adopt something closer to Patrick Me= enan's proposal, but on that thread there was the theoretical use case of= a proxy that wants to fairly share connectivity to an ORIGIN. It doesn'= t appear anyone's using that, so I'd prefer to jettison it, but I'm tryin= g to find a proposal we can agree on.

One thing to appreciate is that HTTP/2 is head-of-line blocking, but H= TTP/3 is not, so waiting two RTTs before pruning may result in much more = frequent issues in HTTP/3. I'd recommend 3 * PTO or some much longer val= ue. I see changing HTTP/3's priority scheme similar to changing from HPA= CK to QPACK. We need to acknowledge that removing HoL blocking is going = to cause issues(that's why we removed exclusive prioritization) and make = adjustments. We've already made two large-ish changes, but we still don'= t have something with completely deterministic behavior. In other parts = of the transport(and QPACK), we've balked at pathological edge cases like= that proposed in #2690, so it seems inconsistent to say it's= OK for this one case.

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HTTP/2 has been an RFC for 4 years now and according to Patrick Meenan's surveys, a huge fraction of servers don't support HTTP/2 priorities and clients have somewhat odd usage patterns, with Chrome specifically trying to re-create strict priorities and Edge ignoring them entirely. The complexity has also kept HTTP/2 priorities out of the web APIs, because it's clear the full functionality is far too complex for web developers and it's hard to agree upon what should be surfaced. The target should be something the majority of implementations will implement, even if it's not their ideal solution. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493593668 ----==_mimepart_5cdf1d1e29943_112c3f9fdcccd95c1064324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov "My point is mostly that one technology already works." - I'll specifically disagree with this point. HTTP/2 has been an RFC for 4 years now and according to Patrick Meenan's surveys, a huge fraction of servers don't support HTTP/2 priorities and clients have somewhat odd usage patterns, with Chrome specifically trying to re-create strict priorities and Edge ignoring them entirely.

The complexity has also kept HTTP/2 priorities out of the web APIs, because it's clear the full functionality is far too complex for web developers and it's hard to agree upon what should be surfaced.

The target should be something the majority of implementations will implement, even if it's not their ideal solution.

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While this is similar, it has enough differences to warrant separate discussion). ----------- I believe we can get all the benefits of the previously proposed solutions by adding just a single new concept: zero-weighting of nodes in the dependency tree This would have the following semantics: Given a node in the tree: - As long as there are children with non-zero weights: divide the node's bandwidth over those children based on their weights (which is what we already have) - If there are only children with zero weight left: all bandwidth goes to the child with the lowest ID that can make progress (this is new, similar to #2700, but inverted) Put differently: zero-weighted nodes get sent sequentially, after all non-zero weighted nodes. Additionally, a weight of zero becomes the default for newly added nodes (previously, the default weight was 16). This makes the default behaviour First-Come-First-Served instead of Round-Robin. ----------- Differences from #2700 (strict priorities): - This is very similar to the "weight absent" concept in #2700 - Removal of the "priority" field: this can be simulated instead by using placeholders. E.g., if you had three priorities of 63, 31 and 0, you would now have three zero-weighted placeholders, where the most important one (priority 64) is created first (has the lowest id) etc. See also below - Still allows streams to depend on other streams (more similar to HTTP/2) (though this should not really even be needed anymore, see below) - If you have both children with and without 0 weights, they no longer share bandwidth 50/50: the weighted children are sent first, then the non-weighted ones (this is detrimental if you "accidentally" mix both, as the sequential list will be sent after the round-robin resources, which is probably the opposite of what you want. So I admit there is the potential for dumb error here. Though the added simplicity for implementers who know what they are doing + better default behaviour is worth it imo) Comparison to https://github.com/pmeenan/http3-prioritization-proposal/blob/master/README.md: - @pmeenan's original proposal is probably easier to understand and possibly implement, as it requires a lot less placeholder/tree setup (I find that #2700 looses much of this simplicity though https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493076309) - @pmeenan's full setup would require 64 high-level placeholders in this proposal (1 per priority value), but even the original document only uses 3 levels in practice for current browser use cases (63, 31 and 0). As @ianswett indicates https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493590118, the use case of "fairly share connectivity to an ORIGIN" would require more nodes, but it is very unclear whether this is/will be used in practice. - @pmeenan's concurrency concept requires 4 additional placeholders in this proposal (2 to split between concurrency 3 and 2+1 (both zero-weighted), then 2 more to split between 2 and 1 (both weight=50) ) (TODO: make an example image) - TODO: I believe #2700 has similar issues with needing many placeholders, but haven't worked that out fully yet - In short, I feel that if we want to go with Pat's approach, we either need to go all-in (drop the dependency tree) or use a separate extension (potentially officially adopted by the wg prior to HTTP/3 RFC, after also adding a prioritization-negotation mechanism) Comparison to #2960 (Orphan Placeholder): - We no longer need a separate orphan placeholder: since nodes have a default weight of zero and those are only sent after weighted siblings (or, probably more commonly, zero-weight placeholder siblings with a lower id that are added at the start of the connection), nodes without explicit priority context never interrupt more important flows - As such, "unprioritized" nodes can just be added to the root directly with weight zero without side-effects - Fixes issues with early-pruning of the tree (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2690#discussion_r282999731): all nodes can now just depend upon a placeholder. Direct references to other request nodes are no longer needed for sequential behaviour (also removes need for separate "append strategy" on the placeholder https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#pullrequestreview-237930797) Comparison to HTTP/2 and current browser behaviour: - Basically, we are adding a new type of prioritization semantic (sequential), without removing something that was already there - The default behaviour is now First-Come-First-Served (FCFS), which our research [1] (and that of others [2]) has indicated is not perfect, but far better than HTTP/2's Round-Robin (RR) in almost all cases - Safari's current behaviour is still perfectly possible and requires no changes, same for Firefox - Edge's old behaviour is implicitly changed from RR to FCFS, but seeing as they are switching to Chromium, this seems like a non-issue. - Chrome's behaviour will have to change, but that was a given, since we removed exclusive dependencies in #2075, which it relies upon heavily. Chrome can just use 5 zero-weighted placeholder for the priority buckets (HIGHEST to LOWEST) and then just add zero-weighted requests to the appropriate placeholder. This is similar to https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513, but there the placeholders have weight=1, which is not 100% as clean. The "reprioritizing within a sequential list" issue: - This was discussed previously in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513 and https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-493369036 - Upon reflection, I do not think either @pmeenan's proposal, nor #2700 actually allows this behaviour (for example, within priority 63, concurrency 3, there doesn't seem to be a way to add a resource before another one that is already there within the same concurrency, as things are also sent based on lowest request ID, same as in this proposal) - It is also my understanding that Chrome doesn't even do this currently: exclusive prioritization only happens at the end of each "priority bucket", not within the bucket - A solution is to add yet another high-level placeholder (e.g., everything that is now in 63 moves to 62 and 63 is for the "really important stuff that needs to interrupt the other really important stuff") - Alternatively, adding a weighted sibling node in this proposal also causes it to interrupt the other zero-weighted siblings' sequential processing (though this is more an all-or-nothing) ------- This was a nice wall of text. I wrote this after a sleepless night at 6AM, so probably there are some problems with this version (especially with the spec text, it's quite short now, probably requires some clarifications). I considered many other options (e.g., weight 255 instead of 0, placeholder append strategies, etc.) but the above came out as a clear winner on most points. I plan to add a couple of schema's/examples to clarify things and present this remotely at the interim (if the chairs think it's proper, of course). I am not saying this is necessarily better than #2700, but I do like the simplicity. I think we should consider both options. TODO schema's/images: - @pmeenan's example from his document (both for this proposal as for #2700) - A reworking of Chrome's current behaviour into priority "buckets" (similar to https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491246513) - Examples of default behaviour (Edge's old behaviour, race-conditions from #2502) [1]: https://speeder.edm.uhasselt.be/www18/ [2]: https://blog.cloudflare.com/better-http-2-prioritization-for-a-faster-web/ You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2723 -- Commit Summary -- * HTTP/3 Zero-weighting -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (18) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2723.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2723.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes both problems in #2502
Consolidates #2700 and #2690
Allows the use cases from https://github.com/pmeenan/ht= tp3-prioritization-proposal/blob/master/README.md

(I am creating a new PR because I don't want to subsume #270= 0. While this is similar, it has enough differences to warrant separa= te discussion).

I believe we can get all the benefits of the previously proposed solut= ions by adding just a single new concept: zero-weighting of nodes in the = dependency tree
This would have the following semantics:

Given a node in the tree:

  • As long as there are children with non-zero weights: divide the node'= s bandwidth over those children based on their weights (which is what we = already have)
  • If there are only children with zero weight left: all bandwidth goes = to the child with the lowest ID that can make progress (this is new, simi= lar to #2700, but inverted)

Put differently: zero-weighted nodes get sent sequentially, after all = non-zero weighted nodes.

Additionally, a weight of zero becomes the default for newly added nod= es (previously, the default weight was 16).
This makes the default behaviour First-Come-First-Served instead of Round= -Robin.

Differences from #2700 (strict priorities):

  • This is very similar to the "weight absent" concept in #270= 0
  • Removal of the "priority" field: this can be simulated instead by usi= ng placeholders. E.g., if you had three priorities of 63, 31 and 0, you w= ould now have three zero-weighted placeholders, where the most important = one (priority 64) is created first (has the lowest id) etc. See also belo= w
  • Still allows streams to depend on other streams (more similar to HTTP= /2) (though this should not really even be needed anymore, see below)
  • If you have both children with and without 0 weights, they no longer = share bandwidth 50/50: the weighted children are sent first, then the non= -weighted ones (this is detrimental if you "accidentally" mix both, as th= e sequential list will be sent after the round-robin resources, which is = probably the opposite of what you want. So I admit there is the potential= for dumb error here. Though the added simplicity for implementers who kn= ow what they are doing + better default behaviour is worth it imo)

Comparison to https://github.com/pmeenan/http3-prior= itization-proposal/blob/master/README.md:

  • @pmeenan's original proposal is probably easier to understan= d and possibly implement, as it requires a lot less placeholder/tree setu= p (I find that #2700 looses much of this simplicity though = #2700 (comment))
  • @pmeenan's full setup would require 64 high-level placeholde= rs in this proposal (1 per priority value), but even the original documen= t only uses 3 levels in practice for current browser use cases (63, 31 an= d 0). As @ianswett indicates #2700 (comment)<= /a>, the use case of "fairly share connectivity to an ORIGIN" would requi= re more nodes, but it is very unclear whether this is/will be used in pra= ctice.
  • @pmeenan's concurrency concept requires 4 additional placeho= lders in this proposal (2 to split between concurrency 3 and 2+1 (both ze= ro-weighted), then 2 more to split between 2 and 1 (both weight=3D50) ) (= TODO: make an example image)
  • TODO: I believe #2700 has similar issues with needing m= any placeholders, but haven't worked that out fully yet
  • In short, I feel that if we want to go with Pat's approach, we either= need to go all-in (drop the dependency tree) or use a separate extension= (potentially officially adopted by the wg prior to HTTP/3 RFC, after als= o adding a prioritization-negotation mechanism)

Comparison to #2960 (Orphan Placeholder):

  • We no longer need a separate orphan placeholder: since nodes have a d= efault weight of zero and those are only sent after weighted siblings (or= , probably more commonly, zero-weight placeholder siblings with a lower i= d that are added at the start of the connection), nodes without explicit = priority context never interrupt more important flows
  • As such, "unprioritized" nodes can just be added to the root directly= with weight zero without side-effects
  • Fixes issues with early-pruning of the tree (#2690 (c= omment)): all nodes can now just depend upon a placeholder. Direct re= ferences to other request nodes are no longer needed for sequential behav= iour (also removes need for separate "append strategy" on the placeholder= #2700 (review))

Comparison to HTTP/2 and current browser behaviour:

  • Basically, we are adding a new type of prioritization semantic (seque= ntial), without removing something that was already there
  • The default behaviour is now First-Come-First-Served (FCFS), which ou= r research 1 (and that of others 2) has= indicated is not perfect, but far better than HTTP/2's Round-Robin (RR) = in almost all cases
  • Safari's current behaviour is still perfectly possible and requires n= o changes, same for Firefox
  • Edge's old behaviour is implicitly changed from RR to FCFS, but seein= g as they are switching to Chromium, this seems like a non-issue.
  • Chrome's behaviour will have to change, but that was a given, since w= e removed exclusive dependencies in #2075, which it relies = upon heavily. Chrome can just use 5 zero-weighted placeholder for the pri= ority buckets (HIGHEST to LOWEST) and then just add zero-weighted request= s to the appropriate placeholder. This is similar to #2502 (co= mment), but there the placeholders have weight=3D1, which is not 100%= as clean.

The "reprioritizing within a sequential list" issue:

  • This was discussed previously in #2502 (comment) and= #2700 (comment)
  • Upon reflection, I do not think either @pmeenan's proposal, = nor #2700 actually allows this behaviour (for example, with= in priority 63, concurrency 3, there doesn't seem to be a way to add a re= source before another one that is already there within the same concurren= cy, as things are also sent based on lowest request ID, same as in this p= roposal)
  • It is also my understanding that Chrome doesn't even do this currentl= y: exclusive prioritization only happens at the end of each "priority buc= ket", not within the bucket
  • A solution is to add yet another high-level placeholder (e.g., everyt= hing that is now in 63 moves to 62 and 63 is for the "really important st= uff that needs to interrupt the other really important stuff")
  • Alternatively, adding a weighted sibling node in this proposal also c= auses it to interrupt the other zero-weighted siblings' sequential proces= sing (though this is more an all-or-nothing)

This was a nice wall of text.
I wrote this after a sleepless night at 6AM, so probably there are some p= roblems with this version (especially with the spec text, it's quite shor= t now, probably requires some clarifications).
I considered many other options (e.g., weight 255 instead of 0, placehold= er append strategies, etc.) but the above came out as a clear winner on m= ost points.

I plan to add a couple of schema's/examples to clarify things and pres= ent this remotely at the interim (if the chairs think it's proper, of cou= rse).

I am not saying this is necessarily better than #2700, b= ut I do like the simplicity. I think we should consider both options.

=

TODO schema's/images:

  • @pmeenan's example from his document (both for this proposal= as for #2700)
  • A reworking of Chrome's current behaviour into priority "buckets" (si= milar to #2502 (comment))
  • Examples of default behaviour (Edge's old behaviour, race-conditions = from #2502)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2723

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  • HTTP/3 Zero-weighting

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Why not make zero take precedence over any weights and avoid the dumb error:

As long as there are 0 weights the first such is served, then weighted entries. You could also call this infinity weight.

I agree that a design does not have to adhere to easily avoidable dumb errors, but sometimes such cases reveal something fundamental about the underlying design.

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LGTM but don't forget push > @@ -423,6 +423,10 @@ must be received and processed before the message can be consumed. See The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of {{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used. +If a DATA frame is received before a HEADERS frame on a request stream, the ```suggestion If a DATA frame is received before a HEADERS frame on a either a request or push stream, the ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2715#pullrequestreview-239193554 ----==_mimepart_5cdfdfe6886a3_7fde3ff56decd964783324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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LGTM but don't forget push

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@LPardue approved this pull request.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5cdfe65da709f_ac73f8696ccd95c470850-- From nobody Sat May 18 04:09:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDAA120052 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 04:09:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3zR54PgvOpGf for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 04:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC005120075 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 04:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 04:09:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558177765; bh=r0+q7/g6dwKQ78fT8wa2zlcibzq2sEMX+iAZYAYR2Ww=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QtbGPIGUSW+22w3Fezlry7hmi5wMRMRypFDziTlumn52Vz8IZLneMCkfouHqlgZxj VPYMXUjn3UaC6dY2U85oBnyS4GH8x+jajyXlQXxvmXzSkoI0ZszmlHR8MKJYV8U9Ik JlP2tA9FRN9FdiYkP+ftSTWGtJdu1Ho8F5l0RAio= From: Daan De Meyer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Zero-weighting (#2723) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cdfe7e5922fa_3def3f8696ccd95c89683f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DaanDeMeyer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 11:09:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cdfe7e5922fa_3def3f8696ccd95c89683f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sequentially sending both before and after non-zero weighted nodes could potentially be supported by hijacking weight 256 for sending sequentially after non-zero weighted nodes and using weight 0 for sending sequentially before non-zero weighted nodes. I'd imagine there being scenario's where both are applicable. Before for when a high priority resource is discovered and after for when you don't really care about the order a resource is delivered in. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2723#issuecomment-493668705 ----==_mimepart_5cdfe7e5922fa_3def3f8696ccd95c89683f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Sequentially sending both before and after non-zero weighted nodes could potentially be supported by hijacking weight 256 for sending sequentially after non-zero weighted nodes and using weight 0 for sending sequentially before non-zero weighted nodes.

I'd imagine there being scenario's where both are applicable. Before for when a high priority resource is discovered and after for when you don't really care about the order a resource is delivered in.

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Quoting myself:

Another wrinke is: What should an endpoint do if it receives an error that references an unknown frame type? An endpoint MUST ignore unknown types, and we have these in the form of grease frame types with values that are included in the error code space.

Endpoint X receives a GREASE frame and for whatever reason decides to issue a stream error with a HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME code that covers GREASE. Endpoint Y receives the error code, and takes this as a signal that X didn't follow the rule to ignore the frame. So it sends a connection error back?

This is an edge case yes, but I think it is another argument against declaring a very large codepoint space that is mostly useless in practice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Requests may override the default initial values by including a PRIORITY frame
 (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These priorities
 can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream.
 
+Higher priority elements have all available data sent before elements of lower
+priority.  When multiple elements have the same priority, if a weight is
+specified, elements with weights are interleaved.  If a weight is 0, either
+because it is the default weight or it was not specified, then elements are
+delivered sequentially and all available data from one element is sent before
+any data from the next.  If a given priority level has some elements with
+weights and some without, the two groups share the available bandwidth equally.

I suggest looking at rmarx proposal.

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----==_mimepart_5ce01cae91e0_6b443fb3210cd96013347e-- From nobody Sat May 18 13:03:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970FD1200B2 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IPl-7w6CkywH for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 13:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E27C1200F7 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 13:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 13:03:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558209782; bh=NtVrm4syRAJdXvNxH80Wsj5E+rpw/w3rMm4tizt79yk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LxUXYhXf4UsWiJUojAwj0/bHmMOkKdvq/p+YsgF/jxdl9sLBZgknc0G2zU3a1PjoH aRQn5hYDNIFoSkIgrzY/iIwDtObn8G9l9VNhbOVPZEK9YSQDULUAGI5qnWzVOY4cLr j692Sp0zp5yDHtuvODISUM33jTe+k0vecWb34idM= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Zero-weighting (#2723) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce064f6863c6_353e3faf9bccd96012048de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 20:03:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce064f6863c6_353e3faf9bccd96012048de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The situation I would like to be able to cover is a page with several videos (or animated gifs) and a few async scripts. You want these videos to start playing asap and all together (before scripts load), but you do not want to wait till videos are completely downloaded to begin loading those async scripts (which should load serially). > As long as there are children with non-zero weights: divide the node's bandwidth over those children based on their weights So what happens to sequential scripts? They shall wait till all videos are downloaded? > If there are only children with zero weight left: all bandwidth goes to the child with the lowest ID that can make progress I do not like creating arbitrary priorities where none are warranted. It is best not to lie to the server and let it pick its own priority, if it is all the same to the User Agent. For example, if there are multiple zero-weight children, the server may choose to deliver whatever object is fully available in memory rather than deliver 80% of an object with the lowest ID first and only then start sending the fully-available object. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2723#issuecomment-493703452 ----==_mimepart_5ce064f6863c6_353e3faf9bccd96012048de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The situation I would like to be able to cover is a page with several videos (or animated gifs) and a few async scripts. You want these videos to start playing asap and all together (before scripts load), but you do not want to wait till videos are completely downloaded to begin loading those async scripts (which should load serially).

As long as there are children with non-zero weights: divide the node's bandwidth over those children based on their weights

So what happens to sequential scripts? They shall wait till all videos are downloaded?

If there are only children with zero weight left: all bandwidth goes to the child with the lowest ID that can make progress

I do not like creating arbitrary priorities where none are warranted. It is best not to lie to the server and let it pick its own priority, if it is all the same to the User Agent. For example, if there are multiple zero-weight children, the server may choose to deliver whatever object is fully available in memory rather than deliver 80% of an object with the lowest ID first and only then start sending the fully-available object.

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So what happens to sequential scripts? They shall wait till all videos are downloaded?

You are not forced to use zero weights - but how the browser decides, I don't know.

I do not like creating arbitrary priorities where none are warranted. Let the server pick its own priority, i

That is a good point. But it would prevent queued requests.

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So what happens to sequential scripts? They shall wait till all videos are downloaded?

You are not forced to use zero weights - but how the browser decides, I don't know.

The problem with using weights in this scheme is that weights imply round-robin. That's not what you want for scripts (resources that cannot be consumed until they are loaded 100%). So you want scripts to load serially (among scripts) but concurrently with a bunch of videos.

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The problem with using weights in this scheme is that weights imply round-robin. That's not what you want for scripts (resources that cannot be consumed until they are loaded 100%). So you want scripts to load serially (among scripts) but concurrently with a bunch of videos.

So what you actually want is a weighted serial bucket. Anywhere you'd add a zero-weight you would instead put the resource into a weighted serial bucket.

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----==_mimepart_5ce10db897f3c_7fc3fed348cd9601193b2-- From nobody Sun May 19 03:30:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE30712006D for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 03:30:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xjJa96OjPJb for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 03:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A9DF12007A for ; Sun, 19 May 2019 03:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 03:30:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558261817; bh=Y7l6JO0s9gx6mo8NuoKndAvzCYdEVyoWSbjcsYJ9238=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xjS5YMj7moftEgMB5z6U6i2Ygc8TF2J2ZfCkmXflQZNANy6QWHiH2zOHKe9lnGww+ 6xBmBit8alop6LNLFHHE4bu0GZ3TdVEbamNh1PANUxpgjbahaZt/SwdC245wCIIcb+ h6Wqwc237/cZl3abrYOPzdtAfcNZdQq9eKA6IkI8= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Zero-weighting (#2723) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce13039e0ea1_3fdf3f9ee6ccd96c307654"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 10:30:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce13039e0ea1_3fdf3f9ee6ccd96c307654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you all for the comments! > Why not make zero take precedence over any weights and avoid the dumb error: > As long as there are 0 weights the first such is served, then weighted entries. You could also call this infinity weight. I considered this, but that would again introduce the need for a special case treatment of the default situation (e.g., the orphan placeholder). I feel that the "dumb error" is really quite dumb and should be quite rare, as you would need to specify a weight and add the node to a placeholder that also has zero-weighted streams attached to it for it to come into play. That type of error is not specific to this proposal and would always lead to weird behavior. I expect it more likely that people will just not use placeholders/weights at all, and we end up in the FCFS case. > Sequentially sending both before and after non-zero weighted nodes could potentially be supported by hijacking weight 256 for sending sequentially after non-zero weighted nodes and using weight 0 for sending sequentially before non-zero weighted nodes. That being said, I do really like the symmetry behind this approach. I would reverse the semantics you propose though: 255 takes precedence over everything, 0 is lowest priority. It adds a bit of extra complexity, but this might be worth it. I will try to make some example graphs for this too. > The situation I would like to be able to cover is a page with several videos (or animated gifs) and a few async scripts. You want these videos to start playing asap and all together (before scripts load), but you do not want to wait till videos are completely downloaded to begin loading those async scripts (which should load serially). If I understand your use case correctly, this is supported by adding 2 sibling placeholders (PH): 1 placeholder for the videos and 1 for the scripts. The video PH would for example get weight 60 and all videos are added to it with an (equal) weight so they get transferred in parallel. The script PH would get weight 30 and all scripts are added to it with weight 0 so they get transferred sequentially. The videos/scripts would then get about 2x as much bandwidth as the scripts (60 vs 30). This is normal HTTP/2 behaviour and supported by this proposal and #2700 and also the current HTTP/3 draft text. The main change for this proposal (and also #2700) is that you can add the scripts to the PH with weight 0 and they automatically are transferred sequentially. Without this, you would need to add a script to the previous script node (instead of the placeholder) to get the sequential behaviour. See both compared in the image below. In the case of @pmeenan's proposal, iiuc, you would put scripts in concurrency 2 and videos in concurrency 1 and they would automatically share the bandwidth 50/50 (while here we can specify the weights in more detail). ![2019-05-19 12_25_52](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/2240689/57980888-5506b580-7a31-11e9-965d-faacc4b212ed.png) > I do not like creating arbitrary priorities where none are warranted. Let the server pick its own priority, if it is all the same to the User Agent. For example, if there are multiple zero-weight children, the server may choose to deliver whatever object is fully available in memory rather than deliver 80% of an object with the lowest ID first and only then start sending the fully-available object. This is a good point and of course still possible. The priorities in the HTTP/3 and HTTP/2 texts can perfectly be overridden by a server if it feels it has a better grasp on the situation. However, as I understand it, for HTTP/2 most (non-proxy) servers do not do custom logic and implement the spec and as such, the spec needs to have sensible defaults. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thank you all for the comments!

Why not make zero take precedence over any weights and avoid the dumb = error:
As long as there are 0 weights the first such is served, then weighted en= tries. You could also call this infinity weight.

I considered this, but that would again introduce the need for a speci= al case treatment of the default situation (e.g., the orphan placeholder)= . I feel that the "dumb error" is really quite dumb and should be quite r= are, as you would need to specify a weight and add the node to a placehol= der that also has zero-weighted streams attached to it for it to come int= o play. That type of error is not specific to this proposal and would alw= ays lead to weird behavior. I expect it more likely that people will just= not use placeholders/weights at all, and we end up in the FCFS case.

=

Sequentially sending both before and after non-zero weighted nodes cou= ld potentially be supported by hijacking weight 256 for sending sequentia= lly after non-zero weighted nodes and using weight 0 for sending sequenti= ally before non-zero weighted nodes.

That being said, I do really like the symmetry behind this approach. I= would reverse the semantics you propose though: 255 takes precedence ove= r everything, 0 is lowest priority. It adds a bit of extra complexity, bu= t this might be worth it. I will try to make some example graphs for this= too.

The situation I would like to be able to cover is a page with several = videos (or animated gifs) and a few async scripts. You want these videos = to start playing asap and all together (before scripts load), but you do = not want to wait till videos are completely downloaded to begin loading t= hose async scripts (which should load serially).

If I understand your use case correctly, this is supported by adding 2= sibling placeholders (PH): 1 placeholder for the videos and 1 for the sc= ripts. The video PH would for example get weight 60 and all videos are ad= ded to it with an (equal) weight so they get transferred in parallel. The= script PH would get weight 30 and all scripts are added to it with weigh= t 0 so they get transferred sequentially. The videos/scripts would then g= et about 2x as much bandwidth as the scripts (60 vs 30).

This is normal HTTP/2 behaviour and supported by this proposal and #2700 and also the current HTTP/3 draft text. The main change = for this proposal (and also #2700) is that you can add the = scripts to the PH with weight 0 and they automatically are transferred se= quentially. Without this, you would need to add a script to the previous = script node (instead of the placeholder) to get the sequential behaviour.= See both compared in the image below.

In the case of @pmeenan's proposal, iiuc, you would put scrip= ts in concurrency 2 and videos in concurrency 1 and they would automatica= lly share the bandwidth 50/50 (while here we can specify the weights in m= ore detail).

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I do not like creating arbitrary priorities where none are warranted. = Let the server pick its own priority, if it is all the same to the User A= gent. For example, if there are multiple zero-weight children, the server= may choose to deliver whatever object is fully available in memory rathe= r than deliver 80% of an object with the lowest ID first and only then st= art sending the fully-available object.

This is a good point and of course still possible. The priorities in t= he HTTP/3 and HTTP/2 texts can perfectly be overridden by a server if it = feels it has a better grasp on the situation. However, as I understand it= , for HTTP/2 most (non-proxy) servers do not do custom logic and implemen= t the spec and as such, the spec needs to have sensible defaults.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Requests may override the default initial values by including a PRIORITY frame
 (see {{frame-priority}}) at the beginning of the stream. These priorities
 can be updated by sending a PRIORITY frame on the control stream.
 
+Higher priority elements have all available data sent before elements of lower
+priority.  When multiple elements have the same priority, if a weight is
+specified, elements with weights are interleaved.  If a weight is 0, either
+because it is the default weight or it was not specified, then elements are
+delivered sequentially and all available data from one element is sent before
+any data from the next.  If a given priority level has some elements with
+weights and some without, the two groups share the available bandwidth equally.

Good point @igorlord This was reflecting what Patrick Meenan wrote up, but I agree that it's not clear it's the right option.

Personally, I would prefer removing weights from streams and only having one bit to declare that this resource is incrementally useful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +PRIORITY frame on the request stream, if any, always comes first is explicitly
+stated.
+
+Exclusive prioritization has been removed, since implicitly reprioritizing other
+streams which might or might not exist yet is prone to race conditions even with
+the assumptions used to permit initial PRIORITY frames on request streams.
+
+HTTP/3 permits the prioritization of requests, pushes and placeholders that each
+exist in separate identifier spaces. The HTTP/3 PRIORITY frame replaces the
+stream dependency field with fields that can identify the element of interest
+and its dependency.
+
+### Header Compression Differences
+
+HPACK was designed with the assumption of in-order delivery. A sequence of
+encoded header blocks must arrive (and be decoded) at an endpoint in the same

The concept of header block fragments is an h2 thing. h3 provides the entire header block in one go, more or less, right?

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +PRIORITY frame on the request stream, if any, always comes first is explicitly
+stated.
+
+Exclusive prioritization has been removed, since implicitly reprioritizing other
+streams which might or might not exist yet is prone to race conditions even with
+the assumptions used to permit initial PRIORITY frames on request streams.
+
+HTTP/3 permits the prioritization of requests, pushes and placeholders that each
+exist in separate identifier spaces. The HTTP/3 PRIORITY frame replaces the
+stream dependency field with fields that can identify the element of interest
+and its dependency.
+
+### Header Compression Differences
+
+HPACK was designed with the assumption of in-order delivery. A sequence of
+encoded header blocks must arrive (and be decoded) at an endpoint in the same

yeah I was looking at this from the wrong perspective. Header blocks is fine, I take back the suggestion.

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----==_mimepart_5ce27582a3e44_6ea93fca50ecd95c805358-- From nobody Mon May 20 03:56:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15821120176 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JBUI0TFIuAiw for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53B6B120170 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 03:56:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558349761; bh=IK5DhuGEIe7gEB1fTxJzLDXrHmwFUk3yw4sU8uwaaeQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=gaDzmwBmjNBZH/yJmAmTKnEcFBFNa214vRwe/dv/wd1PcbenP4EQvW2sGuGzZ+rvs qV3JX4r8mDog7XLTwXV6FonZmBIzeky3jIUZfRt9fAePnPeN4EBCzGssTxAnmThslX krcSnHgV1gkVHTQXj638UWwJ9FX8LdduVBS7g98E= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 988e74: Preparing for -21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 10:56:04 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 988e7462c96f6594b49be6c4c97a2ba7e7d9ed41 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/988e7462c96f6594b49be6c4c97a2ba7e7d9ed41 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-05-20 (Mon, 20 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M initial-protection.js Log Message: ----------- Preparing for -21 Commit: 9df97f01a7b032a148bd69913442e0eec9fa95d6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9df97f01a7b032a148bd69913442e0eec9fa95d6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-05-20 (Mon, 20 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update test vectors Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/196c64a0984d...9df97f01a7b0 From nobody Mon May 20 03:57:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1227B120150 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:57:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GaeS6jHSc5_A for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE4B612014F for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 03:57:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558349851; bh=+dh5o3UjwEmLW1VMF+3juga0oeZn6o/7XORJYBH5wI4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=V2VdUuZojD1LvAgvG+Wh3QtpmpO59F4wfJezlAJIVzRmVeJNTvd5aaSilp7mF7gpV bTR65VE3vSj8hXy36tx5Kl0jI5Z6oIFGl6u8ZadJ6I9WrTzoXj6Rv2FWN5nsb7uWkF tJAgZAFdq29HeUz6SgmGi0Jh8knDc5Skg/w8WiEE= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7df6dc: Script updating gh-pages from 9df97f01. 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[ci skip] From nobody Mon May 20 03:59:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1A2120150 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:59:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cFydKEuJ94R5 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E60E112014F for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 03:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 03:59:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558349977; bh=ts+v0UCeQT+n/cb2HIT5FokCZAjMGc0qfspjS6BdFJY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=erWnIMEx+k1GZsoMZaxs/nJKyACjQdrGQmmLfRgJO6vWdEyePGFpZelKSvXYCge3G rWKCcG72bsvls1GnmI7Cvy2xANQ+3WON6lgvdEw3M/izvzTfPumMuKu7iDdpjoeDB7 RodZEoYr/W4nOBs79Rb9s/g7fr/p/M9sW/n/SC7g= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 421ace: Script updating issues at 2019-05-20T10:59:30Z. 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[ci skip] From nobody Mon May 20 07:01:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195441200B5 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:01:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9U5GWRiEK7Xa for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02E301200A1 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 07:01:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558360900; bh=B/756nsSav+0O0TDBKu2+iDvtEENO0nBuu/vCrEW5Ps=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vI1PO1o0o2I1b1bviNcPahB07F1N4CF6HSOmgYN/pgBc62drY95hk7LfbIRMJFH7W qDHDvuHwKLpbCqq61s0HKw3duoP7Eid/wq9Y45E6jgIhTxVCbTGe3hb3Sc8c5565+r 1BYdibdwPZlL8L3VW/WNSpduroQph523AGcRCDrc= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify PATH_RESPONSE lack of retransmission in Path Validation (#2724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2b344af5a2_43c83f8f5b6cd96c6827cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:01:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2b344af5a2_43c83f8f5b6cd96c6827cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a must for PATH_CHALLENGE "The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE." "On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame." This text should clarify that an endpoint MUST respond exactly once as well. Saving PATH_RESPONSEs for later retransmission could be a memory attack. If one wanted to be particularly careful you could also limit how many you buffer if you're congestion control limited. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-8.2 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2724 ----==_mimepart_5ce2b344af5a2_43c83f8f5b6cd96c6827cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We have a must for PATH_CHALLENGE "The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE."

"On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame."

This text should clarify that an endpoint MUST respond exactly once as well. Saving PATH_RESPONSEs for later retransmission could be a memory attack. If one wanted to be particularly careful you could also limit how many you buffer if you're congestion control limited.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-8.2

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Good call. Note that this is already indicated in Section 13.2, way down at the bottom of the bulleted list, but I agree that we should have this be MUST NOT save for retransmission/MUST response exactly once.

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We previously had text:

The endpoint SHOULD do this by supplying a new connection ID when a connection
ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint receives a packet with a
previously unused connection ID.

In adding text for the TP (active_connection_id_limit), we kept the same idea, but lost a little bit of the text:

An endpoint SHOULD NOT provide more connection IDs than the peer's limit.  If an
endpoint has provided its peer with the maximum number of connection IDs, it
SHOULD only provide a new connection ID when the peer retires one.

We still need the SHOULD replace used CIDs in the event that we haven't provided the peer with the maximum number of CIDs.

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This is technically design, but trivial. Do you want to take this @erickinnear ?

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----==_mimepart_5ce2bc01b1af0_343f3fe4288cd95c922289-- From nobody Mon May 20 07:40:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7D41201A8 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oymMg4WxP_xv for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0A261200B6 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 07:40:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558363216; bh=kYEBmChhi73VhMuK5J5wrzsOiUFlCzqXsP+OIIUETbE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wLcfGLomdWEMoObWlysPiW8dV/EICst0ET+/UuaEb8L4+T77IlIVv9PvMgdGlm5RT BX57CM/qbJwh734CZmrsXqjqFZk/mU/508sBGCoeyPZxOVDpJ/jQOP6VU/RnOsKKwO iGcz+xPWSbf7J8MCrGqddjZvjBAjGh8/hmaP/jJ0= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify PATH_RESPONSE lack of retransmission in Path Validation (#2724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2bc50c6640_25e53f8ef28cd96013671ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:40:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2bc50c6640_25e53f8ef28cd96013671ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup, I'll put up a PR for this -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2724#issuecomment-494015869 ----==_mimepart_5ce2bc50c6640_25e53f8ef28cd96013671ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yup, I'll put up a PR for this

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----==_mimepart_5ce2bc50c6640_25e53f8ef28cd96013671ed-- From nobody Mon May 20 07:41:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09B4120219 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XX-fSBhtk9Ro for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A600A1201EE for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 07:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 07:41:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558363282; bh=DeAnpq2rLXZI6uKO0S8DpBIYhsBxUrPKxGukHlLbHpI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fK4dy1zojZtU8tGgfLKxTp7NkCc/7nHPHhq8ZdmvKZudt5cMPjVxk8XuBGIdugP1R 7pNfl1f1eVDMThQMLpQw2BsV38QCtSEh66WxEyCKnSccnSMPfhTUhSt2lAiqiyM2WH dAOZII8Fqh8MO2ui5oLdDGQ8/AM5a4cY8Jlo7078= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can an H3 server send a response before receiving the SETTINGS frame? (#2726) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2bc92985fe_120f3fca50ecd95c10306db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 14:41:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2bc92985fe_120f3fca50ecd95c10306db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's unclear if a H3 server can make the tradeoff between: 1. blocking all responses until the SETTINGS frame is received 2. sending a response right away, sacrificing some compression efficiency in order to avoid the HoL blocking Furthermore, we need to be more specific if a client MUST send a SETTINGS frame immediately after establishing a connection. Currently, we only say that > Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream. This allows endpoints to defer sending the SETTINGS indefinitely (as long as they don't send anything else on the control stream). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2726 ----==_mimepart_5ce2bc92985fe_120f3fca50ecd95c10306db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's unclear if a H3 server can make the tradeoff between:

  1. blocking all responses until the SETTINGS frame is received
  2. sending a response right away, sacrificing some compression efficiency in order to avoid the HoL blocking

Furthermore, we need to be more specific if a client MUST send a SETTINGS frame immediately after establishing a connection. Currently, we only say that

Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.

This allows endpoints to defer sending the SETTINGS indefinitely (as long as they don't send anything else on the control stream).

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We hit an issue around this during the Prague interop I think. At the time I wrote on slack:

When does the "beginning" begin and end? the end of the beginning is the reception of SETTINGS at both endpoints?

THe HTTP/3 connection lifecycle is not well defined.

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Putting together a PR for this

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon May 20 08:30:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9200F12008F for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 08:30:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zebVzWfIM5BU for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FE761200E5 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 08:30:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558366214; bh=m3s3wDZHiisIo+laCU8iaviYV4HFkMGBz6jaX/5vUOw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XUFvtgRr8GRVG84BfDQYTqC3aSQZ87gDHgTIiYKCbos3IvsvMqmcr/9ALzThfz6jc RISC2OVoUXX3nkeV2D//oElSMbguN1WxvePE49mCJwys8YXPC+uFWyYpSX47Nr3XsM 8sfSHwoyn/adM9NqBdE+Aza1ywzrjuqQM4z2YRso= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can an H3 server send a response before receiving the SETTINGS frame? (#2726) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2c8069f675_76053f93f74cd9645345"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:30:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2c8069f675_76053f93f74cd9645345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's my understanding that the endpoints (both the server and the client) can make that call (i.e. either wait for SETTINGS before sending a HTTP message, or send the HTTP message right away sacrificing some efficiency). >> Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream. > This allows endpoints to defer sending the SETTINGS indefinitely (as long as they don't send anything else on the control stream). If the current sentence sounds unclear, it might be worth rephrasing it to "Each side MUST initiate a single control stream and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream at the beginning of the connection". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2726#issuecomment-494036891 ----==_mimepart_5ce2c8069f675_76053f93f74cd9645345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's my understanding that the endpoints (both the server and the client) can make that call (i.e. either wait for SETTINGS before sending a HTTP message, or send the HTTP message right away sacrificing some efficiency).

Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of the connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream.
This allows endpoints to defer sending the SETTINGS indefinitely (as long as they don't send anything else on the control stream).

If the current sentence sounds unclear, it might be worth rephrasing it to "Each side MUST initiate a single control stream and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this stream at the beginning of the connection".

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The irritating phrase for me is "beginning of connection". An HTTP/3 connection can work perfectly well without ever sending SETTINGS, in either direction. So it is perpetually beginning until its not. The post-beginning phase doesn't really add anything; the endpoints are already adjusting their behaviour based on the connection parameters: either default or peer-set.

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Reword the text to be a bit more clear about what's expected from a CID issuer.

Closes #2725.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2727

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  • #2725: Clarify the language around replacing CIDs

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----==_mimepart_5ce2d2c659470_6af3f97a92cd9601902d-- From nobody Mon May 20 09:19:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21372120160 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZzvC-vSBMVbJ for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 324CD1200E5 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:19:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558369161; bh=P0KAD/epj3K1eHG816rIw1WSevDBsKSzfcJH1Lj9SKU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R0IQ9/RH1BB0FtYhM5JtjkfutsZookZvoiv7LI5ZEK35SvIlkg1yeH+aLR1b67UNn D7rbAbVI91b0tkLpzdKzyFsonCWspV7GkF53ojgrTCscFD9hTWBAYpR/2Al38nOOX1 JY8qks0tsxdYI9EDam1eFd7oUpFghVv21go6mgjY= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2d388e9fe2_39c63fdb3f0cd9602361ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 16:19:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2d388e9fe2_39c63fdb3f0cd9602361ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Turns out I had misunderstood the intent of this PR with regards to @pmeenan's setup and how to recreate the following image. Turns out it's really quite brilliant! ![pmeenan's approach](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pmeenan/http3-prioritization-proposal/master/images/sample.svg?sanitize=true) For others who might not have figured it out: @ianswett proposes to use odd numbered priority values (e.g., 127, 125, ...) to represent concurrency level 3, and even numbered priority values (e.g., 126, 124, ...) to represent concurrency levels 2 and 1. For example: 127 = concurrency 3 126, no weight = concurrency 2 126, weight = concurrency 1 This allows the whole thing to be represented without a single placeholder (which I didn't understand before now)! That is immensely powerful, while also allowing normal placeholders. It would also allow resolving #2690 in the same way as proposed in #2723 : just make priority 0, no weight the default for new nodes! We're not sure yet about streams-upon-streams dependencies and how this mixes with the placeholder approach etc. but it seems this PR could be the one we were looking for. We will iterate on this and create some example schema's. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-494055797 ----==_mimepart_5ce2d388e9fe2_39c63fdb3f0cd9602361ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Turns out I had misunderstood the intent of this PR with regards to @pmeenan's setup and how to recreate the following image. Turns out it's really quite brilliant!

pmeenan's approach

For others who might not have figured it out:

@ianswett proposes to use odd numbered priority values (e.g., 127, 125, ...) to represent concurrency level 3, and even numbered priority values (e.g., 126, 124, ...) to represent concurrency levels 2 and 1.
For example:
127 = concurrency 3
126, no weight = concurrency 2
126, weight = concurrency 1

This allows the whole thing to be represented without a single placeholder (which I didn't understand before now)! That is immensely powerful, while also allowing normal placeholders.

It would also allow resolving #2690 in the same way as proposed in #2723 : just make priority 0, no weight the default for new nodes!

We're not sure yet about streams-upon-streams dependencies and how this mixes with the placeholder approach etc. but it seems this PR could be the one we were looking for. We will iterate on this and create some example schema's.

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----==_mimepart_5ce2d388e9fe2_39c63fdb3f0cd9602361ca-- From nobody Mon May 20 09:23:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470F41201B3 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r4TC1xZU4s6j for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 528D61201B0 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:23:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558369387; bh=aauqlaAbR8OHJKTpYNxPxICN1G8XlHNPii9dPi/C+xI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B4/1VxFK2BYvvTk7G1lkqDDrlBCtadeGG19J5etsluzdGO33UIzTfH9O6FKmZ6tM6 ab8x10/sv8ayOX6n7WvyMRa3XRTh/fIz9iUoncPQmRWFQC8W2snhXnrDIE+51sJH0I tf088uotFUCNqfu50eFpH8PLJuyB5NwB1YALtQFE= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery: exit initial slow start on RTT increase (#2728) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2d46b4fe14_6c563fd1c56cd96018891f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 16:23:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2d46b4fe14_6c563fd1c56cd96018891f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current recovery spec says *7.2. Slow Start*: _QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. QUIC re-enters slow start anytime the congestion window is less than ssthresh, which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared. While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed._ That's fine, but it is often advisable to exit the initial slow start before observing the first loss. Very often, the default behavior results in widely overshooting the "fair" window, leading to not just one loss but rather a series of losses. For example, implementations could monitor the evolution of the RTT during initial slow start, and exit slow start as soon that the measured RTT exits RTTMin + some margin -- maybe the min 1/8th of RTT and 10 milliseconds, or 1ms 1/8th of RTTMin was too small. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2728 ----==_mimepart_5ce2d46b4fe14_6c563fd1c56cd96018891f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The current recovery spec says 7.2. Slow Start:
QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. QUIC re-enters slow start anytime the congestion window is less than ssthresh, which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared. While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed.

That's fine, but it is often advisable to exit the initial slow start before observing the first loss. Very often, the default behavior results in widely overshooting the "fair" window, leading to not just one loss but rather a series of losses. For example, implementations could monitor the evolution of the RTT during initial slow start, and exit slow start as soon that the measured RTT exits RTTMin + some margin -- maybe the min 1/8th of RTT and 10 milliseconds, or 1ms 1/8th of RTTMin was too small.

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----==_mimepart_5ce2d46b4fe14_6c563fd1c56cd96018891f-- From nobody Mon May 20 09:31:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E4A1200E5 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hI4cbEVUMz7v for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A59B5120006 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:31:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558369882; bh=pcuDYzyCJPsgqNsgHtXQfCwo++GqySk069UrVNbqJH4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yssBIua0JtloOX7QVUHOQYuVLkezU7Qj5xkVyxRiW8gVrHYXm0WfLpfJkmnCuZM5Q usvPtzQmBt0B6zQTTBzX/K60qPwIcDeXi6Krc2uJpE1UErutxSNj9kZmsEBXb+P23E Ji7LqKx4XjMrAJaYJx7GvHvPXTIijSGNaP/1NvjM= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't store or retransmit PATH_RESPOSNE frames, avoid buffering (#2729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2d65abdbd9_2cb73fb2ceecd964461386"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 16:31:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2d65abdbd9_2cb73fb2ceecd964461386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mention in the PATH_RESPONSE section that we must not store or retransmit them. Closes #2724. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729 -- Commit Summary -- * #2724: Don't store or retransmit PATH_RESPOSNE frames, avoid buffering too many -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729 ----==_mimepart_5ce2d65abdbd9_2cb73fb2ceecd964461386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mention in the PATH_RESPONSE section that we must not store or retransmit them.

Closes #2724.

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----==_mimepart_5ce2d65abdbd9_2cb73fb2ceecd964461386-- From nobody Mon May 20 09:52:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E53712004E for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:52:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qWpxn-KQO_gc for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5C3A12004C for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:52:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558371163; bh=Pvddhq7CpBW9ujLX8IWlkZYNioi8PeAHrhL1XmyJtJ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QmdrjpbbHUsmyIAoSZLDSoaTKqWu0DrxuRVSViSrlc1CpCGuRRv4EXSoHnRPQGhD+ 7B/P5G90e0frieTFLm2ldvaO+3oEGluChAVYlDdKHCxdqouGHY311l++QmvZYEGCO8 /l4J+YCi18vKxGv6jSHRUjnG75Ve4hw5DWVjeFmk= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2db5b6be31_65ce3fd8582cd95c4193d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 16:52:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2db5b6be31_65ce3fd8582cd95c4193d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @rmarx, I would not say that odd priority values _represent_ odd concurrency level 3. You could implement @pmeenan's "concurrency level 3" that way. But the idea is that you do not need "concurrency level 3" as a special case to think about. There are just two criteria: 1. Priorities: Elements of the higher priority 100% preempt elements of the lower priority. 2. Concurrency: Elements of the same priority share bandwidth. Serial elements need to be downloaded to completion one at a time, while concurrent elements need to be downloaded concurrently. There is still a question of how serial and concurrent elements share bandwidth. There is a proposal that concurrent elements get 50% of the bandwidth as a group. The alternative is that concurrent elements group gets a percentage proportional to the number of concurrent elements in at that priority level. Both of these alternatives seem "hacky" as they possible do not give the client sufficient control for bandwidth sharing. I have some proposal and will share it on the list (the PR comment does not seem like the right place for it). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-494067457 ----==_mimepart_5ce2db5b6be31_65ce3fd8582cd95c4193d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@rmarx, I would not say that odd priority values represent odd concurrency level 3. You could implement @pmeenan's "concurrency level 3" that way. But the idea is that you do not need "concurrency level 3" as a special case to think about.

There are just two criteria:

  1. Priorities: Elements of the higher priority 100% preempt elements of the lower priority.

  2. Concurrency: Elements of the same priority share bandwidth. Serial elements need to be downloaded to completion one at a time, while concurrent elements need to be downloaded concurrently. There is still a question of how serial and concurrent elements share bandwidth. There is a proposal that concurrent elements get 50% of the bandwidth as a group. The alternative is that concurrent elements group gets a percentage proportional to the number of concurrent elements in at that priority level. Both of these alternatives seem "hacky" as they possible do not give the client sufficient control for bandwidth sharing. I have some proposal and will share it on the list (the PR comment does not seem like the right place for it).

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon May 20 10:54:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC6E120091 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4lAdo6S2sMeq for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AFE81201DE for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 10:53:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558374839; bh=THG03l/n3ei+xGJV2CT195P5Ant1UoNa+9vV6xUb46o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1Ao7kw2O7172RulHFjF95Zltneb5LpVYM345TvchU0jdkQ0hXLKoBLGV+FTDk0NX9 CnBlaRfxMKEgG3wRwxghgRm1i3CEEf1pmiMt1JU6D8EK+H+HCDoOV+GrkDLvZ5yN0b bKSG9+HimKJ09xXpMZB6YkNnMPVFMRy1AjTRs3vE= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify push stream truncated last frame error. (#2722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2e9b775f89_777e3f8d3e6cd968102145c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:54:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2e9b775f89_777e3f8d3e6cd968102145c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [7.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.sectio= n.7.1) already contains this text:=0D > Each frame=E2=80=99s payload MUST contain exactly the fields identified= in its description. A frame payload that contains additional bytes after= the identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end = of the identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type HT= TP_MALFORMED_FRAME.=0D =0D That's intended to cover any stream type with frames. Perhaps we should = consolidate the language from both sections into that, possibly leaving b= ehind cross-references.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2722#issuecomment-494088012= ----==_mimepart_5ce2e9b775f89_777e3f8d3e6cd968102145c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

7.1 already contains this text:

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Each frame=E2=80=99s payload MUST contain exactly the fields identifie= d in its description. A frame payload that contains additional bytes afte= r the identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end= of the identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type H= TTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.

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That's intended to cover any stream type with frames. Perhaps we shou= ld consolidate the language from both sections into that, possibly leavin= g behind cross-references.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5ce2e9b775f89_777e3f8d3e6cd968102145c-- From nobody Mon May 20 11:26:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7932D120044 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 11:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.607 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.607 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMFcR3wqAJqM for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 11:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C6CA120026 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 11:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 11:26:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558376775; bh=2HOyCSDNYUzngPbBSRKUm10EW+9zaqhU1roRDXVPPiE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qP6ev22teD36FYkExjzjYAIlfb9g3s1odvSnKi3aP82N7dBrFN+HNyCaxpfn8nJP/ xQiRQyzZyGWiNlWDrnb4pH//fX+K8I/2liFosom3OOFSM0+aUHyOXKYlO3l87IvQWa aB3cF8AaQDCaKOLb9AZ5UyA9ss6vfxt0z2ep5qHc= From: Daan De Meyer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify push stream truncated last frame error. (#2722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2f14721cfe_65a53fd8582cd95c9729f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DaanDeMeyer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 18:26:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2f14721cfe_65a53fd8582cd95c9729f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hadn't seen that paragraph yet. I'd propose to drop the text in the Bidirectional Streams section. The reasoning is that when searching for what to do when a stream is closed with a truncated frame, I found (or rather was pointed to) the text in the Bidirectional Streams section. After finding a paragraph like that, I didn't expect to find any other text in the rfc related to truncated frames (which led to this pr). Without the text in the Bidirectional Streams section, I might have found the text in the Frame Layout section first which would have immediately answered my question. This would also consolidate errors related to frames in the HTTP Framing Layer section which seems like the first place to go looking for frame related errors. Should I make another pr (if this sounds like a good idea) or update this one with the proposed change? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2722#issuecomment-494099043 ----==_mimepart_5ce2f14721cfe_65a53fd8582cd95c9729f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I hadn't seen that paragraph yet. I'd propose to drop the text in the Bidirectional Streams section.

The reasoning is that when searching for what to do when a stream is closed with a truncated frame, I found (or rather was pointed to) the text in the Bidirectional Streams section. After finding a paragraph like that, I didn't expect to find any other text in the rfc related to truncated frames (which led to this pr). Without the text in the Bidirectional Streams section, I might have found the text in the Frame Layout section first which would have immediately answered my question.

This would also consolidate errors related to frames in the HTTP Framing Layer section which seems like the first place to go looking for frame related errors.

Should I make another pr (if this sounds like a good idea) or update this one with the proposed change?

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Fine to just update this one. Thanks!

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----==_mimepart_5ce2f1f79fd37_75d23f97a92cd960907aa-- From nobody Mon May 20 12:20:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA56B120110 for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rkNtIlk1GJ7d for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 12:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E27D1200CE for ; Mon, 20 May 2019 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 12:20:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558380019; bh=w/wVCjHbKhitb7CoL4BFIs55qlN4nfVO6oCI1j+kmDA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0nA+VfbMnGgjNBX0C0JpcCSB1IzxZUWlpYGQfr9OHbhhVr2DpGEo99ZF8jm8nL6ys QrKdkKC5kdH3zt62lIbeE8BiSSX7ZA8ih/vXreySoEBOTPCb33u3T2xjT7Pa7kU685 jj8C0B+yWzb7LCA4TH0FEzWlh5JypI6WswuFgAbA= From: Daan De Meyer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify push stream truncated last frame error. (#2722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce2fdf3a7086_cca3f9f56acd96c365633"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DaanDeMeyer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 19:20:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce2fdf3a7086_cca3f9f56acd96c365633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the best I could come up with. I had to relax the text from Frame Layout to allow truncated frames on abruptly closed streams. Maybe abruptly closed stream should be clarified better (I'm not sure if this is done elsewhere already?). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2722#issuecomment-494117121 ----==_mimepart_5ce2fdf3a7086_cca3f9f56acd96c365633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is the best I could come up with. I had to relax the text from Frame Layout to allow truncated frames on abruptly closed streams. Maybe abruptly closed stream should be clarified better (I'm not sure if this is done elsewhere already?).

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This really seems to be stepping into the realm of designing a congestion control algorithm.

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----==_mimepart_5ce3a8c87646d_4eb43f9f56acd96c971966-- From nobody Tue May 21 00:33:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B5B12007C for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 00:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wACQjwSBMWMO for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF1B120021 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 00:33:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558424010; bh=u0Z4VbO0XDMcCXraESI9hom1mYFo3w676Vhs3bqb0aU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AzxOolF4VqHKsM2zBSV2AtTUJf9fl0CvhZR3JPxeHytf920D/K44UUQ+QKzTm5QSj v58o+HXVAl0vxCOqTYGrvSArcAW1LHalTZl9UqVbs/nM58hXPCc1kMXZsn6BEZ5SXj 8/0sgIYA58OQUMdGHvijq+r/r4wiP/bV39Z7BbqQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't store or retransmit PATH_RESPOSNE frames, avoid buffering (#2729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce3a9ca32919_36563facfd0cd96c28906c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:33:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce3a9ca32919_36563facfd0cd96c28906c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. Did you want to base this on the other PR? Merge conflicts suck. > @@ -1722,6 +1722,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new ```suggestion An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new ``` > @@ -1722,6 +1722,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new +PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed. An +endpoint MAY choose to limit the number of pending PATH_RESPONSE frames I think that this amounts to ignoring PATH_CHALLENGE. It might be better to say that instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729#pullrequestreview-239867076 ----==_mimepart_5ce3a9ca32919_36563facfd0cd96c28906c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Did you want to base this on the other PR? Merge conflicts suck.

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We hit this during interop, where one implementation would re-issue the same SRT it included in the TPs in each new NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. The question was raised whether that was allowed or not, and @martinthomson decided that "design text was needed."

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During interop in London we found an implementation that failed the handshake upon seeing an unknown transport parameter. I think applying GREASE to transport parameters is a great idea.

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If we give up sequential stuff, it becomes quite simple:

(quoting from the previous comment)

  1. Priorities: Elements of the higher priority 100% preempt elements of the lower priority.
  2. Concurrency: Elements of the same priority share bandwidth.

And there is no 0 weight or special weight. Nodes share bandwith according to their weight if they are under the same priority.

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There are drawbacks however. Reuse of a stateless reset token means that you have to remember (and consistently route) connection IDs, even when they are retired. This text makes a note of the possibility and explains the drawbacks. Closes #2732. 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There are drawbacks however. Reuse of a stateless reset token means that you have to remember (and consistently route) connection IDs, even when they are retired. This text makes a note of the possibility and explains the drawbacks. Closes #2732. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2733 -- Commit Summary -- * Allow reuse of stateless reset tokens -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2733.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2733.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2733 ----==_mimepart_5ce3beded8273_7ab83f87c58cd96c206365e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This came up as the result of an incomplete implementation, but there
are - maybe - good reasons to have the same stateless reset token being
used for multiple connection IDs on the same connection.

There are drawbacks however. Reuse of a stateless reset token means
that you have to remember (and consistently route) connection IDs, even
when they are retired.

This text makes a note of the possibility and explains the drawbacks.

Closes #2732.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2733

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  • Allow reuse of stateless reset tokens

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This discussion is a mix of editorial(ie: what does this scheme actually accomplish/specify?) and non-editorial(ie: Why do I think this is good/bad) commentary.

I apologize for setting a poor example, but please do try to direct non-editorial comments to the list or issue and I'll do the same. Given @dtikhonov already started an email thread about this PR, I think the list makes the most sense.

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----==_mimepart_5ce3c0ae67697_f953fb26e2cd96c1960cf-- From nobody Tue May 21 02:34:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3C71200C1 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 02:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O3DJ_RqmtArF for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 02:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74446120045 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 02:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 02:34:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558431262; bh=wvKMwg7IZl81FjmD7C8kInr4FE5sHckDNP9yaUxTYtY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jsnkxkuzTnv8yIvr0hTFJwCSCTa0eki7gYmXic9Tcdvyw62m1rYVCn7mOPMTSXntF ZbAVULG3dqtZnw5dvVWTNaUiKP18DPIHT9LaRSR+Pi90P8m2UhywL5jTes7hvSRcs8 t/aKUWMEZFCxni0WcALnXNoRliegoBaxr61BmQGo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow reuse of stateless reset tokens (#2733) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce3c61ee2003_66643facfd0cd96c269625"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 09:34:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce3c61ee2003_66643facfd0cd96c269625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -2476,6 +2476,14 @@ the same static key (see {{reset-oracle}}). A connection ID from a connection that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token MUST NOT be reused for new connections at nodes that share a static key. +The same Stateless Reset Token MAY be used for multiple connection IDs on the +same connection. An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure +that any connection ID used on the connection is matched to the active +connection, including any routing performed at load balancers, even when a +connection ID has been retired. Otherwise, an attacker might be able to send a +packet with a retired connection ID and cause the endpoint to produce a +Stateless Reset. + Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection. I don't understand this text. I can see the issuer of the reset can and should coordinate with load balancers, but the text reads as if the sender is responsible for the receiver matching up the connection ID, or that an active connection should be matched sender side when the reset is transmitted to cancel an unknown connection, which by definition isn't possible. In part it is unclear what is mean by connection ID since there are two kinds. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2733#pullrequestreview-239930816 ----==_mimepart_5ce3c61ee2003_66643facfd0cd96c269625 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2476,6 +2476,14 @@ the same static key (see {{reset-oracle}}).  A connection ID from a connection
 that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token MUST NOT be reused for new
 connections at nodes that share a static key.
 
+The same Stateless Reset Token MAY be used for multiple connection IDs on the
+same connection.  An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure
+that any connection ID used on the connection is matched to the active
+connection, including any routing performed at load balancers, even when a
+connection ID has been retired.  Otherwise, an attacker might be able to send a
+packet with a retired connection ID and cause the endpoint to produce a
+Stateless Reset.
+
 Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.

I don't understand this text. I can see the issuer of the reset can and should coordinate with load balancers, but the text reads as if the sender is responsible for the receiver matching up the connection ID, or that an active connection should be matched sender side when the reset is transmitted to cancel an unknown connection, which by definition isn't possible. In part it is unclear what is mean by connection ID since there are two kinds.

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LGTM.

Quicly was originally implemented this way, though we stopped doing that.

When an endpoint construct a CID as an encrypted tuple of (conn_id1, path_id), there's no need to regenerate a token for every new path ID being generated.

1: An ID that identifies a QUIC connection. Not the CID that appears on the wire.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1722,6 +1722,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
 echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed.  An
+endpoint MAY choose to limit the number of pending PATH_RESPONSE frames

It'd actually be slightly better to respond to the later ones, if possible. That being said, if you're in this state, it's likely a bug in the peer or an attack.

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----==_mimepart_5ce3d59eb2f7_5e643f89c42cd96c10717f6-- From nobody Tue May 21 03:45:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CEB120108 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:45:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OfhHWHNrn211 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D314612003E for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 03:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 03:45:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558435543; bh=HRZecY5JE2CWtPva/6P/Ykrt83RojZdv39EAhEJ1RaQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KkCSgIB/46+TVKniOrDzIJP5XzE+F5QaO2zRxJfNzhK1Gxe/xEmyxNJmS+pIg+KF4 oq1fHTxJLdb5NmBrXUuNqVVzZPUefstknEcbmiwJ2o0FGCctB00gofh4zdjKe9S6xO 6nZ/2jvAL0w6zi9AYAejZ7CeIApgsOom8zxNNMF8= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Placeholder limits make for awkward clients (#2734) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce3d6d774a55_8053fdbb08cd96411720cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 10:45:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce3d6d774a55_8053fdbb08cd96411720cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When chatting a bit about how/when to create placeholders on the server on the slack, there seem to be two camps: 1. Server creates all placeholders it advertises upon sending the SETTINGS frame (full up-front) 2. Server creates the placeholder when it is referenced by the client (as-needed basis) Argument for not doing 2 seems to be: > Lazy loading placeholders is a great path to under estimating required resource and getting DoS'd by clients However, when not doing 2, you will probably limit yourself in the amount of placeholders you allow (e.g., not 100, but more like 10). So the question becomes: what if those 10 are not enough for the client? Is every complex client required to support two schemes, one with a minimal amount of placeholders (e.g., let's say a server only supports 1 or none), and one where the server allows their needed amount? What about more dynamic schemes, where the placeholder count needed might not be known by the client up-front? Some potential "solutions" to think about: - Specifying a minimal value for SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDER (e.g., 20?) - Client indicating the amount of placeholders they expect to need in their own SETTINGS, server deciding with some heuristics if it allows that - New option in which the client can articulate the full placeholder setup in a single packet instead of separate PRIORITY frames (though that doesn't cover the dynamic setup case above) This may seem like a non-issue, but depending on the prioritization setup we end up choosing (see #2700, #2723, #2690, etc.) a larger amount of placeholders might be required to be able to model all use cases, and then clients really don't want to be limited in the amount they are allowed to use. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2734 ----==_mimepart_5ce3d6d774a55_8053fdbb08cd96411720cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When chatting a bit about how/when to create placeholders on the serve= r on the slack, there seem to be two camps:

  1. Server creates all placeholders it advertises upon sending the SETTIN= GS frame (full up-front)
  2. Server creates the placeholder when it is referenced by the client (a= s-needed basis)

Argument for not doing 2 seems to be:

Lazy loading placeholders is a great path to under estimating required= resource and getting DoS'd by clients

However, when not doing 2, you will probably limit yourself in the amo= unt of placeholders you allow (e.g., not 100, but more like 10).

So the question becomes: what if those 10 are not enough for the clien= t? Is every complex client required to support two schemes, one with a mi= nimal amount of placeholders (e.g., let's say a server only supports 1 or= none), and one where the server allows their needed amount? What about m= ore dynamic schemes, where the placeholder count needed might not be know= n by the client up-front?

Some potential "solutions" to think about:

  • Specifying a minimal value for SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDER (e.g., 20?)
  • Client indicating the amount of placeholders they expect to need in t= heir own SETTINGS, server deciding with some heuristics if it allows that=
  • New option in which the client can articulate the full placeholder se= tup in a single packet instead of separate PRIORITY frames (though that d= oesn't cover the dynamic setup case above)

This may seem like a non-issue, but depending on the prioritization se= tup we end up choosing (see #2700, #2723, #2690, etc.) a larger amount of placeholders might be required= to be able to model all use cases, and then clients really don't want to= be limited in the amount they are allowed to use.

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However, when not doing 2, you will probably limit yourself in the amount of placeholders you allow (e.g., not 100, but more like 10).

I don't understand what you mean. A server-advertised limit is just that -- why does it matter whether an implementation pre-allocates placesholders or creates them on demand?

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It was more from my perspective that I would just declare SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDER to be something relatively large each time (e.g., 100+) and then just lazy-initialize as needed, to allow the client as much leeway as possible. If I actually have to create those 100+ up-front, I'm much less likely to allow that many placeholders, hence clients with complex setups might run into problems.

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----==_mimepart_5ce3eac199c08_281b3ff363acd96087113e-- From nobody Tue May 21 05:18:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCE11201CB for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 05:17:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dWbypAMEw2wO for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B5BB120193 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 05:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 05:17:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558441069; bh=UmPQTHySZOXMNvUmld3FqvlpJpR/JyVKqvxivPph1yc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O3rMS9+fUhyH6wa98twkvsCEayidnJo/yMzOZXLMExBgi0jqZvk1CcZ/Re1kRrOQ/ 7fCGnLzE029jM6md1dcIK4inXtQvCEzRE2ysD8J1+ouR42jJxgf5TA+srNeGIY5dTX oSY1vrDygdZnHfIfDPMk2MyOnc7DaT6x+1A1pHmo= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Placeholder limits make for awkward clients (#2734) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce3ec6d4357b_3c8d3f89c42cd96c14868"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 12:18:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce3ec6d4357b_3c8d3f89c42cd96c14868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A server advertises a limit it should be able to fulfill that entire limit. For example, by reserving the capacity - even if the structures are not explicitly allocated. A naive implementation that advertises a large limit (like MAX_INT) and fails to reserve capacity shouldn't get surprised if things go bad when a client comes along and attempts to prioritise MAX_INT placeholders... This is mostly an implementation detail. The real points that we should focus on are on understanding if the limit unilaterally set by the server is the right approach given the way people might want to use placeholders. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2734#issuecomment-494366597 ----==_mimepart_5ce3ec6d4357b_3c8d3f89c42cd96c14868 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A server advertises a limit it should be able to fulfill that entire limit. For example, by reserving the capacity - even if the structures are not explicitly allocated. A naive implementation that advertises a large limit (like MAX_INT) and fails to reserve capacity shouldn't get surprised if things go bad when a client comes along and attempts to prioritise MAX_INT placeholders...

This is mostly an implementation detail.

The real points that we should focus on are on understanding if the limit unilaterally set by the server is the right approach given the way people might want to use placeholders.

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----==_mimepart_5ce3ec6d4357b_3c8d3f89c42cd96c14868-- From nobody Tue May 21 06:35:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C389120144 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 06:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkSh9tH95A5X for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53808120141 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 06:35:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558445753; bh=fzVv0ZbpE/zt18v7nv4oD7dux9MDULBHPUqQhXUa1Vg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MP6vcGtb/Vovyvw22HnKiiW+NLGG8tAN/DVOi6MsnCoAjQmE0h1N+oFyQWhXxyp06 WAA8iJS1FPZeJSIjsiTq7ZhrF10HNNlXB7tB3+KeKZNg+uH5A3gRLXwRGrQzn1TTGk uuUc/hny1qcuNhVaH8LMV0rbFakOsaxDWgzGtjQ8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Placeholder limits make for awkward clients (#2734) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce3feb9afe7f_dcb3fb1b02cd96c12083a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 13:35:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce3feb9afe7f_dcb3fb1b02cd96c12083a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My assumption was that clients that use placeholders need to have two options or a way to adapt one into the other. I'd prefer an approach where existing clients don't need placeholders, so this isn't a pressing problem, but that would require Firefox to change their prioritization scheme and would create some problems if Chrome wanted to replace their linked list of streams with a linked list of placeholders as you've suggested elsewhere. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2734#issuecomment-494393917 ----==_mimepart_5ce3feb9afe7f_dcb3fb1b02cd96c12083a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My assumption was that clients that use placeholders need to have two options or a way to adapt one into the other.

I'd prefer an approach where existing clients don't need placeholders, so this isn't a pressing problem, but that would require Firefox to change their prioritization scheme and would create some problems if Chrome wanted to replace their linked list of streams with a linked list of placeholders as you've suggested elsewhere.

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----==_mimepart_5ce3feb9afe7f_dcb3fb1b02cd96c12083a7-- From nobody Tue May 21 06:40:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8CB12006A for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 06:40:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w7wEzCPyXrvs for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6996A120041 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 06:40:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558446032; bh=7eyFUcL2MnGPFCjzG5lXpJvX72kep8QDjoj5ZM3/guw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oHuqqNJLYfoREhS6q28RBnnn8CsocnOyE6FTjdqlVwep7sIcgDKSK4dcp7BMRBes7 b3kQw9PmtTx9p8I8YH/2hPwLBBXZr6et8LhyO1AEmQihYY6iYfdS+Jn75r2/FdIAf0 L/bn7ehIc237QJbe9h8JFSjrHvwy1elHc2WDwAmE= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix typo in QPACK: s/capcity/capacity/ (#2735) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce3ffd0b91ff_63313ff1140cd95c69138f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 13:40:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce3ffd0b91ff_63313ff1140cd95c69138f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2735 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix typo in QPACK: s/capcity/capacity/ -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2735.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2735.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2735 ----==_mimepart_5ce3ffd0b91ff_63313ff1140cd95c69138f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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  • Fix typo in QPACK: s/capcity/capacity/

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue May 21 07:49:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B4A12006F for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:49:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DE1d89Pz4oj1 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1745120059 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:49:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558450192; bh=ZG7ijCakTdb5RZ5W6rtiK9L7hXvtJh+AJypf1f6ltEw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cCWPlIbiT+mGNq1Uv32fl3M7T0dC7gToD+q3oP+XD2aRrzxuyA2HOIr68oIbzVE/h +A+4qmKvZi1FWJn2m9kHSLyX7kgmq5+RyAFTUMS7qPtRH09EsexvuGCiqljkw1quOW KOzpCucydEgRWvlNOOdaQYELRQyZhCwM4h/2A4Ng= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RTT sample should be taken only once for each largest_acked (#2569) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce410107a6f1_e493f94296cd96c315099"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 14:49:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce410107a6f1_e493f94296cd96c315099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jana and I talked about this, and I think Nick's suggestion is a good one. 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Jana and I talked about this, and I think Nick's suggestion is a good one. We'll stop calling remove() and start setting the value to null.

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Closed #2570.

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I think the resolution to #2569 should resolve this as well.

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----==_mimepart_5ce4110fd6240_49e3fba332cd96822163e5-- From nobody Tue May 21 07:58:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACD61201FA for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:58:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OqR9oeKCPOry for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E65512013D for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 07:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 07:58:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558450696; bh=Eib4h/3MdkhD2kFx1CC1d7Tlzm7PnjYvFtHe02wh/tM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2fkb1cGD5IiCYQkTYZmNNvlUaQ2AGRihDFsA+0gFUOc+pyU6uHMAqSfvC5ZUGCRjQ ru7M7PnAIhRTto45DbsP4bvvxVq7SYaLOKgpBWccbW6Lly2rYtopb1bwtFMoUONjPv MGrf89XZvt+oN7nTte9nqrna/9aY4zVI9gR3251k= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet-threshold loss detection poorly interacts with packet coalescing (#2653) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce41208c8f3_51763fba332cd9688997f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 14:58:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce41208c8f3_51763fba332cd9688997f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I think you're right that there's no issue here. Having separate packet number spaces makes this concern moot. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2653#issuecomment-494428105 ----==_mimepart_5ce41208c8f3_51763fba332cd9688997f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, I think you're right that there's no issue here. Having separate packet number spaces makes this concern moot.

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Inevitably, this touches on some issues we're exploring in the quic-load-balancers draft, which isn't adopted, and many of you are no doubt happily ignoring. There are basically three uses of the 144 bits of CID entropy in QUIC-LB: 1) Server ID encoding -- as there are only so many servers one might have, 16 bits is usually enough for this. 2) "Private" server entropy -- the load balancer doesn't care what the bits are, but they're protected by crypto. The server created and encrypted the CID, so it can use this for its local purposes, but no one else can. The amount of this depends, but if you're using a 256-bit block cipher it's something like 240 bits -- plenty 3) "Public" entropy -- not encrypted, these bits are readable by anyone who is familiar with the encoding scheme. With a 16 B encryption block, we have only 16 bits to play with here. QUIC-LB is already taking 2 of these last bits for config rotation, which allows server pools to incrementally deploy new CID keys or encoding schemes. So we're down to 14 bits. The public entropy is useful for a growing pile of trusted hardware devices that are presumably not going to perform CID decryption. On f5 boxes, we have a hardware disaggregator for the many dataplane processors and threads that are operating. Today, we'd use perhaps 8 of the bits, but in future architectures even 14 might not quite be enough. And now, having chatting with Manasi Deval from Intel after her Prague talk about hardware offload, I'm fairly sure we're going to need 4 to cheaply encode the connection ID length, at least for servers that want to use this service. If we ever wanted a solution that allowed multiple tiers of load balancing, which is not currently in scope for QUIC-LB, we don't have nearly enough space. While I think that existing use cases can just barely make do with what we have, it is a bad sign if something in the invariants is *already* constraining use cases. Offline in London, we've circulated a number of possible approaches to this, but the first-order discussion is a willingness to reopen the invariants. If so, there are a couple of solutions that won't break existing load balancer deployments. I'm happy to write a PR if this is the consensus. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2736 ----==_mimepart_5ce41ee3582c5_6f923fdc118cd96c52494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Although it is quite late in the day for this objection, I find that we already bumping up against the limits of the 18 byte connection ID.

Inevitably, this touches on some issues we're exploring in the quic-load-balancers draft, which isn't adopted, and many of you are no doubt happily ignoring.

There are basically three uses of the 144 bits of CID entropy in QUIC-LB:

  1. Server ID encoding -- as there are only so many servers one might have, 16 bits is usually enough for this.
  2. "Private" server entropy -- the load balancer doesn't care what the bits are, but they're protected by crypto. The server created and encrypted the CID, so it can use this for its local purposes, but no one else can. The amount of this depends, but if you're using a 256-bit block cipher it's something like 240 bits -- plenty
  3. "Public" entropy -- not encrypted, these bits are readable by anyone who is familiar with the encoding scheme. With a 16 B encryption block, we have only 16 bits to play with here.

QUIC-LB is already taking 2 of these last bits for config rotation, which allows server pools to incrementally deploy new CID keys or encoding schemes. So we're down to 14 bits.

The public entropy is useful for a growing pile of trusted hardware devices that are presumably not going to perform CID decryption. On f5 boxes, we have a hardware disaggregator for the many dataplane processors and threads that are operating. Today, we'd use perhaps 8 of the bits, but in future architectures even 14 might not quite be enough.

And now, having chatting with Manasi Deval from Intel after her Prague talk about hardware offload, I'm fairly sure we're going to need 4 to cheaply encode the connection ID length, at least for servers that want to use this service.

If we ever wanted a solution that allowed multiple tiers of load balancing, which is not currently in scope for QUIC-LB, we don't have nearly enough space.

While I think that existing use cases can just barely make do with what we have, it is a bad sign if something in the invariants is already constraining use cases.

Offline in London, we've circulated a number of possible approaches to this, but the first-order discussion is a willingness to reopen the invariants. If so, there are a couple of solutions that won't break existing load balancer deployments.

I'm happy to write a PR if this is the consensus.

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We can probably remove big chunks of section "8.1. Protocol and Version Negotiation" since we don't do version negotiation anymore in v1.

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----==_mimepart_5ce4206f1285f_6a043fc6bdccd96898125-- From nobody Tue May 21 09:43:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9249212017D for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 09:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JHAy-bAR33uB for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C629120178 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 09:43:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558457032; bh=QHUqdmmd9AikkNGs4y7PsdXPglNQx1qFDIMRglSNKms=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RIlhIHy0GDIhFxa1GfCD07DxDzEtbCYX89nukuJQ1BDIICVdzPHT4aYGMwavJddYK Shpq++GqbnYOZEV38shZOy/pQWOwkBWKlk7ogiye5Ht3ufaIWHV5+n8cw8ySOV8ADz EAfkfe7bmA+mBbOD8NPunEN2J8+9AmGTz+I1w/mI= From: Andy Grover Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] transport: replace "stateless retry" in text with "retry" (#2738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce42ac8191_1e6f3fe1f4ccd95c4334fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: agrover X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 16:43:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce42ac8191_1e6f3fe1f4ccd95c4334fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr says there used to be stateless and stateful retry, but now there is just stateless. This is the only place the phrase is used, so instead just say "retry". You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2738 -- Commit Summary -- * transport: replace "stateless retry" in text with "retry" -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2738.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2738.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2738 ----==_mimepart_5ce42ac8191_1e6f3fe1f4ccd95c4334fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

ekr says there used to be stateless and stateful retry, but now there is
just stateless. This is the only place the phrase is used, so instead
just say "retry".

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  • transport: replace "stateless retry" in text with "retry"

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My $0.02: I am happy with the spec as is. If I had to change, I would prefer the delay expressed as an integer number of microseconds, no shift or multiply required.

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One can imagine a scenario where we'd want to place something before the _SETTINGS_ frame on the control stream. On the other hand, it's less likely we'd ever want anything other than the Push ID to begin the push stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2526#issuecomment-494554703 ----==_mimepart_5ce465a57b7c8_44123fe0172cd968513747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

why are we framing SETTINGS at all given that it is the first message on the control stream ?

One can imagine a scenario where we'd want to place something before the SETTINGS frame on the control stream. On the other hand, it's less likely we'd ever want anything other than the Push ID to begin the push stream.

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----==_mimepart_5ce465a57b7c8_44123fe0172cd968513747-- From nobody Tue May 21 14:07:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD551200EC for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 14:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49bKzyqgl13V for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5033A1200A4 for ; Tue, 21 May 2019 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 14:07:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558472867; bh=7nluQK6zPtU0y+Mv4WkVKW50feCnuYdbBUj85mL34io=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P09TfcNAcKDHAQjeyyQeiiMbTROpBm6u2PF0MooUl7pfkTdfxaVteSIIheNZKCmXN f+vWCD4AMW5RNfnMWj+2anZwILU5F2NVmhtMlEscccDKWrMfd0lOcCqFS3Sms2sfq7 MY2TrpVQIXinVxPTzXrzzrM8RIK1sFcrLzEd4CRc= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MAX_PUSH_ID: lower-than-previous value conn error seems too severe (#2412) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce468a2edc43_f663fe0172cd96840882a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 21:07:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce468a2edc43_f663fe0172cd96840882a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @LPardue, the possible complications for the client that you have outlined above don't seem terribly complex. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2412#issuecomment-494559048 ----==_mimepart_5ce468a2edc43_f663fe0172cd96840882a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@LPardue, the possible complications for the client that you have outlined above don't seem terribly complex.

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/shrug.

Seeing little interop of push, its hard to tell if this would really be a problem. I suspect it won't be, and I think I can live with the current specification. However, in the meantime the idea of uni streams for everything has taken a life of its own in #2678.

I'll leave this issue open until that broader discussion gets resolved one way or other.

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What @martinthomson said. For example, it's unclear whether leaving slow-start due to an RTT spike doesn't lead to situations where you're then stuck in congestion avoidance for a looong time.

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A number of implementers have indicated a lack of interest(ie: I'll do something else for cases when I control both client and server) or complete unwillingness to implement existing HTTP/3 priorities.

I believe a core goal of HTTP/3 should be that the majority of implementations will support the specified priority scheme. If that's not true, we should move priorities to an extension, but that may be a regression relative to HTTP/2, which is unappealing.

Measurement indicates that <<50% of servers implement H2 priorities(https://github.com/andydavies/http2-prioritization-issues) and clients use a fixed scheme they designed once and never changed.

A key comment I hear repeatedly is that the tree structure is too complex, in particular requests depending upon requests. The idea of proxy to origin using groups/placeholders for backend connections keeps coming up, but it's not actively used at the moment based on all input I've heard, so I heard a large amount of support for either making that an extension or optional in the same way push is optional in H3.

This is somewhat of a meta-issue, but it keeps coming up and I believe it's extremely important to achieve consensus on something that will be implemented. As everyone keeps reminding me, that's where we failed with H2. Let's not let a coin flip decide this time.

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AFEs commonly want to specify priorities, but load balancers connect to multiple AFEs for a given connection, so the AFE is not aware of the existing request priority structure.

An AFE may want to indicate that a request is high or low priority, but in the existing HTTP/3(and HTTP/2) scheme, the load balancer would be responsible for translating that into the priority tree. The only correct option is to understand how all clients use HTTP/2 priorities and update the priority of the response accordingly.

Ideally a load balancer would not have to convert priorities on a user-agent basis in HTTP/3.

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How much is there to gain by complex priorities where the browser has to guess vs javascript controlled lazy loaders that now the sites requirements exactly?

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#1570 is a past issue about 1, 2, and 3 byte CIDs.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was prematurely closed and got kicked out of the design team. Here's my proposal for how to handle this I propose that we apply effectively the same algorithm as elsewhere: you discard initial keys when you get an ACK for a packet that was sent with the handshake key On the server side, this will generally be at the same time, because the server will likely bundle Initial and Handshake packets, and therefore the clients' second flight will contain the ACK for the server's first handshake packet. On the client side, it is 1-RTT later, but for the reasons I argued in the meeting, I don't think that this changes the situation: an attacker who occupies a position between the client and the server can forge a bogus partial first server flight to the client faster than the server responds. Then, as required by the current spec language, the client will discard the Initial key and be unable to receive anything from the true server, so there is already a DoS, which is not made significantly worse by the proposal above. As Kazuho has pointed out you can do better than this by keeping multiple candidate server flights, but that's extratextual, and would be in violation of the language you quote above. I suppose if we wanted to do better, we could require: 1. The server to drop keys when it receives a handshake ACK. 2. The client to drop keys on handshake complete But this seems more complicated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2741 ----==_mimepart_5ce5084b4ba2_33773fc0ef8cd9681252635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This was prematurely closed and got kicked out of the design team.

Here's my proposal for how to handle this
I propose that we apply effectively the same algorithm as elsewhere: you discard initial keys when you get an ACK for a packet that was sent with the handshake key

On the server side, this will generally be at the same time, because the server will likely bundle Initial and Handshake packets, and therefore the clients' second flight will contain the ACK for the server's first handshake packet.

On the client side, it is 1-RTT later, but for the reasons I argued in the meeting, I don't think that this changes the situation: an attacker who occupies a position between the client and the server can forge a bogus partial first server flight to the client faster than the server responds. Then, as required by the current spec language, the client will discard the Initial key and be unable to receive anything from the true server, so there is already a DoS, which is not made significantly worse by the proposal above.

As Kazuho has pointed out you can do better than this by keeping multiple candidate server flights, but that's extratextual, and would be in violation of the language you quote above. I suppose if we wanted to do better, we could require:

  1. The server to drop keys when it receives a handshake ACK.
  2. The client to drop keys on handshake complete

But this seems more complicated.

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This was previously discussed in #1951

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----==_mimepart_5ce50a5721fb3_704c3fe1f40cd9681396c7-- From nobody Wed May 22 01:40:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9241F1200F5 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 01:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yg0vMU8zAqN2 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 01:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3038120075 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 01:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 01:40:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558514421; bh=8Eq0K1vuUk+LI48U8WeAwvmpBvLi1v7j+61z4DEE4X4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NFv96yJF++FaIDAGabkQMXyUD+nDLeof9hzWzdqOAtR0re2h4JyvYOnZfu7Fb8O+f 9f7yq1XzCgm11u4v2JQ8I9MoFOsHBBJeR4s/ijjlIzqJeX+OZvzSRiUqYqv8dxgqXg uxrvg/Mv3kIfHuNIAjdrm8Sj2WJDxow/1R4+SJaY= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery: exit initial slow start on RTT increase (#2728) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce50af5b3d7f_17c43fa83eecd968149863d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 08:40:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce50af5b3d7f_17c43fa83eecd968149863d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess you don't want write in the spec that slow start couldn't be left earlier in order to allow experimentation. But I would say that is not the intention of the current text and it should be fine as is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2728#issuecomment-494710215 ----==_mimepart_5ce50af5b3d7f_17c43fa83eecd968149863d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I guess you don't want write in the spec that slow start couldn't be left earlier in order to allow experimentation. But I would say that is not the intention of the current text and it should be fine as is.

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The TCP Cubic RFC has a section on slow start that says you can do standard slowstart, limited slowstart, or hystart: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8312#section-4.8

We could add more text along those lines, but I'm not sure it's necessary? Also, hystart is not in any RFC, from what I can find.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A token SHOULD be constructed for the server to easily distinguish it from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
+The token SHOULD NOT expose linkability; i.e., information that lets observers

Applied in 67df7d1.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A token SHOULD be constructed for the server to easily distinguish it from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
+The token SHOULD NOT expose linkability; i.e., information that lets observers
+correlate the connection that is using the token and the one that issued the
+token.
+
+Unlike the token that is created for a Retry packet, there might be some time
+between when the token is created and when the token is subsequently used.
+Thus, a token SHOULD have an expiration time, which could be either an explicit
+expiration time or an issued timestamp that can be used to dynamically calculate
+the expiration time.  A server can retain the expiration time in the server-side

Applied in 1a0be70.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A token SHOULD be constructed for the server to easily distinguish it from
 tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.
+The token SHOULD NOT expose linkability; i.e., information that lets observers
+correlate the connection that is using the token and the one that issued the
+token.
+
+Unlike the token that is created for a Retry packet, there might be some time
+between when the token is created and when the token is subsequently used.
+Thus, a token SHOULD have an expiration time, which could be either an explicit
+expiration time or an issued timestamp that can be used to dynamically calculate
+the expiration time.  A server can retain the expiration time in the server-side
+store, or embed the encrypted value in the token.  It is unlikely that the
+client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port
+is therefore unlikely to be successful.

Applied in 1a0be70.

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So the intention here is that if you hit an ECN blackhole that you disable ECT marking the sent packet in a timely fashion to minimize the impact on connection establishment. And I don't think a single sender behavior is necessary.

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The two obvious encodings are:

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Both consume the same size for any currently-sane CID, but making path elements consume varints seems cruel.

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----==_mimepart_5ce5131bb8bbe_73163feab56cd95c646851-- From nobody Wed May 22 02:15:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB04C120092 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:15:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XmXBbFh_aDpk for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17C6B120033 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 02:15:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558516554; bh=usmLajAYHZ6YI5L06xSAwpObOI/XWakCK3EkFS6CJT8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LXh7A7OqLWQh1YGmGn8rGWYElcmyOkfZ2unbnh+RGEEcqDx7tFNBTIGHY/FHrQrAy 869juvrKXin/Ca8jl3q+vIFuK6LRwuHPCsrzVoh4XZ34ZDcJe4FGEN8H7OKe85i49Y ljnA+NM/6f2A6IpAsYrx+nOU1QYsxjcfnQqWe2M0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More Connection ID Space (#2736) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5134a9e02a_150f3fe1f40cd96811850d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:15:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5134a9e02a_150f3fe1f40cd96811850d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I prefer retaining the current design, with the exception that CIDL is mapped to 4,6,8,...,34 bytes instead of 4,5,6,...,18 bytes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2736#issuecomment-494722414 ----==_mimepart_5ce5134a9e02a_150f3fe1f40cd96811850d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I prefer retaining the current design, with the exception that CIDL is mapped to 4,6,8,...,34 bytes instead of 4,5,6,...,18 bytes.

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You mean opaque cid<0..255>;. But I think that we need opaque cid<0, m..n>; where m > 0 and n < 256.

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@martinthomson Those are the same thing, but I didn't want to make people consume TLS encoding i this bug :)

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I agree with the points Ian has captured in the issue.

@mikkelfj I don't really understand your question. To use a simple case, are you asking about the difference between the browser's resource loading strategies for HTML vs Fetch/XHR?

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----==_mimepart_5ce514201d8a3_3c373fd9ff4cd95c16066f5-- From nobody Wed May 22 02:27:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6C11200F3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dJBveO6vL-E for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3242F120092 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 02:27:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558517274; bh=oU/dE28rG5oc0q7vPIRNyrCqAHU7BKpRxxdr6qIEr8c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MyMO5TkA1i9Owf1huELkadC4W4UqLEkFyZDkCjoTwc+TisRDGbQHDyZoW53aRCq83 U497zwZSsr9Q5Mi1fFOEUmOapOwUMHXhFrByxnElR2yM9mArex56j9YmW1flK1Zr3Y uKGl3X6Ru3+uUjzoiApM1XEDyxmsiY4Gcs7xHV8U= From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More Connection ID Space (#2736) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5161a1a333_d363fa7ae4cd96c931480"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:27:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5161a1a333_d363fa7ae4cd96c931480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed in London; support in the room for doing this. @martinduke to make a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2736#issuecomment-494726469 ----==_mimepart_5ce5161a1a333_d363fa7ae4cd96c931480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Discussed in London; support in the room for doing this. @martinduke to make a PR.

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@janaiyengar mentioned that this should be triggered on persistent congestion.

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Agreed in London for @janaiyengar to write a PR.

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Just to clarify: RFC8311 permits other uses that are specified by an RFC: i.e., currently this is RFC8511, and the expected RFC to be published by the L4S work items in TSVWG (expecting to be Lc'ed later in 2019).

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----==_mimepart_5ce518e13d91b_6c073fa273acd960979261-- From nobody Wed May 22 02:41:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72809120074 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1JR9tTnO6Sln for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E35CA1200DE for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 02:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 02:41:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558518095; bh=G81g31IJfh58QkBSzXpc721TO0YXHq+xmb7V8MD/a90=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=L/qE+Bqt6c7B2nN4QDFtP6MFP951jnm7iHrdL8uQ6R3spL8W33Mw/emQCmGQuSmlG Vah8xkJHoDvBDVaOXN+dDsGuZZY7qF7hI8Z3fbppN8zBMT/vszwXTzBX/JQNmEYFJi Vwiyoh79Ove/MznfjURD3l4hvViOZYlTl1M37Eb0= From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN text disables ECN too aggressively (#2534) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5194fd2c98_46e13fa273acd9601311b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:41:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5194fd2c98_46e13fa273acd9601311b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There seems two things:=0D =0D =E2=80=A2 What to do during handshake (maybe is described in transport)=0D= =0D =E2=80=A2 Disabling after handshake which I think is in the loss/recovery= draft, rather than transport? - I thought I heard Jana argue that this r= eaction depends on the loss/marking observations on the path - which I wo= uld agree with.=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2534#issuecomment-494730972= ----==_mimepart_5ce5194fd2c98_46e13fa273acd9601311b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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=E2=80=A2 Disabling after handshake which I think is in the loss/recov= ery draft, rather than transport? - I thought I heard Jana argue that thi= s reaction depends on the loss/marking observations on the path - which I= would agree with.

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Would that work with QUIC without a new QUIC draft? The AEAD part is already clearly defined and given that AES-OCB uses AES, the same HP mechanism as we currently use with GCM can be used here. >From my perspective, the desirable property is that if we add new TLS cipher suites with analogous cipher cores (block cipher and/or nonce-based stream cipher) to the existing spec, then no new QUIC document should be required. An alternative design would be to just require a "QUIC applicability" paragraph in new TLS cipher suites analogous to the DTLS-OK IANA flag. (see also #2019). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2742 ----==_mimepart_5ce51bad54bed_5edc3f87068cd968703777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Suppose that we had a future TLS cipher suite such as AES_OCB_SHA256. Would that work with QUIC without a new QUIC draft? The AEAD part is already clearly defined and given that AES-OCB uses AES, the same HP mechanism as we currently use with GCM can be used here.
>From my perspective, the desirable property is that if we add new TLS cipher suites with analogous cipher cores (block cipher and/or nonce-based stream cipher) to the existing spec, then no new QUIC document should be required.

An alternative design would be to just require a "QUIC applicability" paragraph in new TLS cipher suites analogous to the DTLS-OK IANA flag.

(see also #2019).

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This says that we don't do CCM_8 and makes it clear that you don't reject an attempt to use a ciphersuite you don't understand. Closes #2742, #2682, #2581. 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For input to discussion on the related issues. This says that we don'= t
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This is an editorial resolution to the design issue.

Closes #2742, #2682, #2581.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nharper commented on this pull request. > @@ -964,10 +970,12 @@ sample. To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection. For the -AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16-byte expansions and 16-byte -header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in -the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2 -bytes of frames for a 2-byte packet number encoding. +ciphersuites defined in {{?TLS13}} - other than TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256, for Nit: Remove "For" (the sentence should start "The ciphersuites defined in"). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@nharper commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -964,10 +970,12 @@ sample.
 To ensure that sufficient data is available for sampling, packets are padded so
 that the combined lengths of the encoded packet number and protected payload is
 at least 4 bytes longer than the sample required for header protection.  For the
-AEAD functions defined in {{?TLS13}}, which have 16-byte expansions and 16-byte
-header protection samples, this results in needing at least 3 bytes of frames in
-the unprotected payload if the packet number is encoded on a single byte, or 2
-bytes of frames for a 2-byte packet number encoding.
+ciphersuites defined in {{?TLS13}} - other than TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256, for

Nit: Remove "For" (the sentence should start "The ciphersuites defined in").

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@rpaulo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -825,11 +825,17 @@ This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against QUIC
 version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.
 
 QUIC can use any of the ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} with the exception of
-TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  The AEAD for that ciphersuite, AEAD_AES_128_CCM_8
-{{?CCM=RFC6655}}, does not produce a large enough authentication tag for use
-with the header protection designs provided (see {{header-protect}}).  All other
-ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} have a 16-byte authentication tag and produce
-an output 16 bytes larger than their input.
+TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  A ciphersuite MUST NOT be negotiated unless a header
+protection scheme is defined for the ciphersuite.  This document defines a
+header protection scheme for all ciphersuites defined in {{!TLS13}} aside from
+TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256.  These ciphersuites have a 16-byte authentication tag
+and produce an output 16 bytes larger than their input.
+
+Note:
+
+: An endpoint MUST NOT reject a ClientHello that offers a ciphersuite that

duplicate "that offers a cipher suite"

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----==_mimepart_5ce521a6d4aba_39093fd983ecd9604335bb-- From nobody Wed May 22 03:27:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402BF1200F3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aXsXiNqcvbmz for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2447F1200C7 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:27:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558520828; bh=sWqcJtHc7RCbq4/ockjtEZ58zJ8eOzpnEpUCFuSFCfs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h0EDUi8YQ3aNvzS3FdFAqCh1uJ+3lUeoRVetZWAS8AK9lHKaQQ9gT9XtQAEVjCVz1 AhlrrU5ckYyUv1G6sDMTAbjr6IrZ3qyZgIHm0s3tEi+lWk0M0Ryui43WhEfZwQ1tTO MXt2fdvAGGTzp7Ye57lH/8LpCcePmtgy2nb79FGs= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idle Timer Can Fire Even with Outstanding Data to Send (#2744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce523fcc1e3c_1ae33fa7a8acd96c10142b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:27:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce523fcc1e3c_1ae33fa7a8acd96c10142b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a connection gets send blocked for long enough (i.e. the peer application isn't draining the data right now, and thus not giving more flow control credit) the idle timer will fire. This is because no data is being sent over the wire while the sender is blocked. To me, it seems that we shouldn't consider a connection as idle if the application is actively trying to send. While in this blocked state, should the transport periodically send some ACK eliciting packet to keep the connection alive? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2744 ----==_mimepart_5ce523fcc1e3c_1ae33fa7a8acd96c10142b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If a connection gets send blocked for long enough (i.e. the peer application isn't draining the data right now, and thus not giving more flow control credit) the idle timer will fire. This is because no data is being sent over the wire while the sender is blocked. To me, it seems that we shouldn't consider a connection as idle if the application is actively trying to send.

While in this blocked state, should the transport periodically send some ACK eliciting packet to keep the connection alive?

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As I see this: QUIC receivers ignore the ECN codepoint field received in IP packets that carry duplicate QUIC packets (see {{ecn}}).

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Discussed in London, @mjoras to prepare a PR

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How about header protection which depends on being defined for the negotiated AEAD?

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That's what paragraph 2 above is about.

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----==_mimepart_5ce5264e3dc82_2c003fc0ef8cd968195301d-- From nobody Wed May 22 03:38:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AE81200FA for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:38:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Asa2nSFFe8wF for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48E3F1200F3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:38:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558521510; bh=xAYbpkgfqXcOI0/a/XkTqkDJV0P6o6ovltlb4vZmKwU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A+8mR0nfMfWY4Sk78t16JM4spb94iflH/itvck7qFGYQWfJYL4nn3M2Dh4ogdlZK1 wqPtSi4WP0254F/BbIwpoIobNRCqRoN5JA11EeowGF1WqQAa7vMAVB8uTBedhyJv0H NECWBe3ZNsEzNOCbCdjs9qeG58JtiQnBJ919dgLw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idle Timer Can Fire Even with Outstanding Data to Send (#2744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce526a640f0e_130f3f87068cd96889944c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:38:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce526a640f0e_130f3f87068cd96889944c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is not much different from being blocked because there is currently nothing to send. The timeout will clean up connections that do not make progress. If the application is happy with waiting a very long time to proceed, it could send pings, but it might as well want to call it a day. So I'm not sure the spec needs to say anything about that. We are talking about 10 minutes of no progress by default. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2744#issuecomment-494749141 ----==_mimepart_5ce526a640f0e_130f3f87068cd96889944c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is not much different from being blocked because there is currently nothing to send. The timeout will clean up connections that do not make progress. If the application is happy with waiting a very long time to proceed, it could send pings, but it might as well want to call it a day. So I'm not sure the spec needs to say anything about that. We are talking about 10 minutes of no progress by default.

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@LPardue actually I mixed two concepts in my question.

I'm asking generally, how much benefit does a priority tree provide over not having one, given that no-one bothers to support them in HTTP/2.

And second, perhaps it is not that important for performance sensitive websites because they use javascript to defer loading other javascript until first view images are loaded, and also to load more images when the user scrolls.

I'm not familiar with Fetch/XHR. The lazy load techniques that I am referring to has to do with only making resources visible to the browser when needed by injecting script and image tags at opportune times and in an opportune order.

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----==_mimepart_5ce52aa032294_32633fa7b18cd9601371438-- From nobody Wed May 22 03:56:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C181B120127 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0bVo6z5TEB0H for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F199612003F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:55:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558522555; bh=YaFQkz+m6cU4czschQiLy/5Jzq0gh8AUKETuWFDuRPw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=2djED8tL34zF1NdBNe26m1YmiSbLuq5vofLEtO9AHx/hw+5bcyqgGY295JW9efuk4 ldfAKNpGK+DS6A4OFCFOOgYoE+pVvIRcTzt1liqal54QqjrcBJ2mn0oMCkG2zxwfiK E3j17WB1eft4xXBNkLYqbsqL8oRO4QNY9jvkm+60= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:55:59 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts From nobody Wed May 22 03:56:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB083120127 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HRM8VomeWyeY for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1232612003F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558522571; bh=iWoF6P6IdL9SeitiGo0077cWjbQJljILZyoX2sh2kV4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=xjPUZZtzFzn2WcJN/vLoZCqEmWTeU4TcglueAtNB2ksC/GiuLroESUB7FbC0/OTQn fCxkkfMr3xSli9jywT0fBFXVXGEZO01ZDr0CTbi688ojf/DIsMdl4dtubUblk8xRvQ 85R5g5ZZ0+YTQ+2zfyeLhG/OFcjDDumGmz9YFOH8= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] fc8e49: Keep idle timeout asymmetric Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:56:15 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/idle-timeout-asymmetric Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: fc8e49829a67720c0d9c5a5d951051bc01615129 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc8e49829a67720c0d9c5a5d951051bc01615129 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-05-22 (Wed, 22 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Keep idle timeout asymmetric This clarifies the commitment (to send CONNECTION_CLOSE before the timeout), and that this is a minimum, not a fixed commitment. 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From nobody Wed May 22 03:56:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEF0120128 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELQDySLzcwTy for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 386EE12003F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:56:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558522600; bh=lMfxanwBnhygez14EjjP6+NUKJF5fPh7kHLGudMdeGU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WhBbsZQxdF+JXuLBozJjQrKoxXmR2CpoHgC6k6rPKc/jmFTsibqxf/Be9YlbjTLfp tAl4oR2Gq/OKhF3SPsirhjO5iKz6QYAm7y/0FapXEWHKMV572iNAeZv6cho2PkkHtA 1FYWdrJjeaaUADJ9e1FWpPzl97EdPoSGycKtXQ1c= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Keep idle timeout asymmetric (#2745) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce52ae864909_d713ff3a10cd968385333"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:56:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce52ae864909_d713ff3a10cd968385333 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This clarifies the commitment (to send CONNECTION_CLOSE before the timeout), and that this is a minimum, not a fixed commitment. 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This clarifies the commitment (to send CONNECTION_CLOSE before the
timeout), and that this is a minimum, not a fixed commitment.

Editorial resolution to a design issue.

Closes #2602.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2745

Commit Summary

  • Keep idle timeout asymmetric

File Changes

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 22 03:57:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A2F120128 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:57:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JgocP3fySYJY for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A31BE12003F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 03:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 03:57:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558522675; bh=/4dHsLhiMTc4sOVyKVSIJ/bQdI0cRtxFmNEIHv6aWA0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r3nGU6EuhwYw8XRKtiseAm9D7r50zVNMzvNfmpiTqiMc3IbOx/iak1oaLcZYWrCXx FSOp92BvqndKJLh7oaeEHkAKXCq2y4qzrNdSpj0jafttkNmBVQagjOa1taCjs2Nbp+ Ph48SOFkKD1/IUM+EfyQXCnxAtYwxUSSb/ti5LLY= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK of ACK are useful (#2546) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce52b32d842a_4ecf3ff0612cd96814862b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:57:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce52b32d842a_4ecf3ff0612cd96814862b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An alternative to relying on having to send ACK+PING would be requiring sending ACKs-of-ACKs, if you are sending non-(ACK|PADDING) frames (though not necessarily in the same packets as non-(ACK|PADDING) frames). So, maybe: "_An endpoint MUST NOT send a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, if the previous packet it sent contained only ACK or PADDING frames._" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2546#issuecomment-494754593 ----==_mimepart_5ce52b32d842a_4ecf3ff0612cd96814862b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

An alternative to relying on having to send ACK+PING would be requiring sending ACKs-of-ACKs, if you are sending non-(ACK|PADDING) frames (though not necessarily in the same packets as non-(ACK|PADDING) frames).

So, maybe: "An endpoint MUST NOT send a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames, if the previous packet it sent contained only ACK or PADDING frames."

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Discussed in London; sense in the room was that this is appropriate as quicv2 or an extension.

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----==_mimepart_5ce52bc05a3bd_55d73fc26c4cd95c86785b-- From nobody Wed May 22 04:07:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B53B120128 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4xukOsw67txQ for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1AB212003F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:06:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558523219; bh=w9vKFzFKO8OeXr7eRMbI4qjJ/MpS0ZkmaeNH8ukzEAI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=krjKgIgp7DebVdeb5BK/PhVcQxd5aPsg339sIk247NjULkiFY/S3sMBwb4IdcOp+U gJe2tbAYJRETUYQeuZr34d2MKc2lAZGe8i+iw3oN/hiWkznIkrVVxnHJa/rqmxopGx 8ggbQ2BzuvE/Utbjza1qWrrwMXJjE7H2H2QJVpOQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Keep idle timeout asymmetric (#2745) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce52d5318219_5c283fcaef6cd960558848"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:07:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce52d5318219_5c283fcaef6cd960558848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > -endpoint. An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within an -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.2.2 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each point can advertise a different idle timeout value. An idle timeout does +not guarantee that the connection will be abandoned when the timer ends. The +value advertised by an endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection +is live at that endpoint. By announcing an idle timeout, an endpoint commits to +sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE if it abandons a connection within that period. + +An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout period of a peer +risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the draining state +before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within an Probe Timeout ```suggestion before the packets arrive. If a peer could time out within an Probe Timeout ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2745#pullrequestreview-240559180 ----==_mimepart_5ce52d5318219_5c283fcaef6cd960558848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm not an expert is the area you describe, so I'll let others step in if they want.

The approach sounds fragile because several factors may work against it.

Assume a model where a HTTP/2 or HTTP/3 server is best placed to make use of its available bandwidth based on its view of the client wants and the availability of response data. If defering load means that a client holds back requests, then the server knowledge is limited. In this case, if the server experiences delays in accessing image data, it can't serve the lower priority items in the available time window.

Another problem with the approach is connection coalescing. A website may not be aware that the browser is reusing a connection for different domains.

I think prioritisation is important. However, I think the user agent is able to articulate its requirements without a depedency tree. A simpler model of prioritisation may improve the likelihood that the server bothers to use it in decision making.

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As discussed in London, @ianswett to write a PR with some advisory text

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I have practical experience with this. I was working on a startup where page load times consistently ranked very high using this approach. It was combined with redirecting resources to a CDN network off the main server and using image scaling to match the target device.

The downside is that it does require javascript and modifications to web content. In this case it was limitd to a single config object, a very small javascript loader, and tag prefixing like <cdn:img ...> instead of .

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----==_mimepart_5ce530d667e9f_2c73fd090acd9601258723-- From nobody Wed May 22 04:29:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9C212011C for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFZWTbUmebkl for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AAD312004D for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:28:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558524535; bh=UH5hZW/BYgJgJ60698+uF34A09IZBAP2dW8tO5xUDTQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bxVpwDZHirO3T/FvQ236fT7UA2Dh1feGqfdtUEKAB6q1cEi17YX6Bw4JfUrO1f15c XWy0sPVt8me8HvrUByFFl8J0fvWLDRC9NsEN5w03FGfKkxkFp1FBO6MltP39ki2XkX FwwWXU+FXgV8c0Xxbf3+1Zo7Ko8fNWA/ogOCUQ1w= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 priorities are too complex for a majority of implementations (#2739) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce532775490a_2f393fc23a8cd96c2860c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:28:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce532775490a_2f393fc23a8cd96c2860c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I feel we need a bit more nuance for this statement though: > Measurement indicates that <<50% of servers implement H2 priorities (https://github.com/andydavies/http2-prioritization-issues) To my understanding, the servers probably -do- implement HTTP/2 priorities, they just don't function correctly. If I interpret @pmeenan's blogposts and our conversations, this is not due to bugs in the HTTP/2 prioritization, but due to implementations not using things like TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT, or having caches in front of their servers, or general other bufferbloat-alike problems that prevent good re-prioritization. This issue will not be solved by just moving to a simpler scheme. Because we're using UDP and iiuc kernel interfacing for UDP does not allow large kernel buffers/people are only passing what's ready to send as the congestion controller is also in their control etc. this hopefully will be less of an issue independent of the used scheme. With regards to browsers having bad setups, I feel that by now we do have a much better grasp of what things *should* look like for the browser side (see Patrick's proposal). It's mainly a matter of getting people to change the browser code. For the life of me, I still don't understand why Chrome hasn't touched that code for years (see also: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=651538). To re-iterate my point from yesterday: I like (semi-)#2700 because it allows new stacks to implement only the priority-based scheme without placeholders and inter-stream dependencies (send SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDER = 0). Existing stacks can be extended relatively easily to incorporate it (or fake it with internal placeholders, which is what we've been doing for tests and works well). So, my point: simply moving to a much simpler scheme will not automagically give better (re-)prioritization behaviour, nor is it needed to completely drop the tree-based stuff to allow easier up-front implementations. --------- To jump into the other conversation going on above: this sounds like the Polaris paper (and related work), see http://web.mit.edu/polaris/. This has been shown to work well, but it tricky to get right, and doesn't preclude the current setup from being useful in other situations. Also, I feel this is a separate topic that might require a different issue to not take away from the core issue being discussed here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2739#issuecomment-494763363 ----==_mimepart_5ce532775490a_2f393fc23a8cd96c2860c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I feel we need a bit more nuance for this statement though:

Measurement indicates that <<50% of servers implement H2 priorities (https://github.com/andydavies/http2-prioritization-issues)

To my understanding, the servers probably -do- implement HTTP/2 priorities, they just don't function correctly. If I interpret @pmeenan's blogposts and our conversations, this is not due to bugs in the HTTP/2 prioritization, but due to implementations not using things like TCP_NOTSENT_LOWAT, or having caches in front of their servers, or general other bufferbloat-alike problems that prevent good re-prioritization. This issue will not be solved by just moving to a simpler scheme. Because we're using UDP and iiuc kernel interfacing for UDP does not allow large kernel buffers/people are only passing what's ready to send as the congestion controller is also in their control etc. this hopefully will be less of an issue independent of the used scheme.

With regards to browsers having bad setups, I feel that by now we do have a much better grasp of what things should look like for the browser side (see Patrick's proposal). It's mainly a matter of getting people to change the browser code. For the life of me, I still don't understand why Chrome hasn't touched that code for years (see also: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=651538).

To re-iterate my point from yesterday: I like (semi-)#2700 because it allows new stacks to implement only the priority-based scheme without placeholders and inter-stream dependencies (send SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDER = 0). Existing stacks can be extended relatively easily to incorporate it (or fake it with internal placeholders, which is what we've been doing for tests and works well).

So, my point: simply moving to a much simpler scheme will not automagically give better (re-)prioritization behaviour, nor is it needed to completely drop the tree-based stuff to allow easier up-front implementations.

To jump into the other conversation going on above: this sounds like the Polaris paper (and related work), see http://web.mit.edu/polaris/. This has been shown to work well, but it tricky to get right, and doesn't preclude the current setup from being useful in other situations.

Also, I feel this is a separate topic that might require a different issue to not take away from the core issue being discussed here.

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It's good that there are ways to improve performance in such ways. However, I think that the HTTP/3 layer should allow prioritisation of resource loading. That way it applies to all user agents, not just those that have a DOM and or JavaScript engine.

Also, I feel this is a separate topic that might require a different issue to not take away from the core issue being discussed here.

Agreed.

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Question in London: Do you believe that we need to ship a mechanism to mitigate version ossification prior to v1? result -- strongly in favour of addressing.

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I'm not a huge fan of this particular design, as it involves some odd state stuff.

Here's another possibility, borrowed from a design by david benjamin:

  1. Each version has a random seed.
  2. The version number field is computed as H(seed, )

The receiver then iterates through all the potential version numbers and checks the version number.

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The field is short, so collisions will happen. The client won't necessarily know about all the versions that the server supports, so it can't know that a collision has occurred.

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----==_mimepart_5ce536272bb5d_58c33fcaef6cd96010779ed-- From nobody Wed May 22 04:45:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDF012011C for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:45:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vd53W-8Zw8g8 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9BB1120033 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 04:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 04:44:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558525497; bh=HsfUPHzD05aDtAFKM5HIOIFDWQwVC8Hfw0muxa5MILo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LdQO/QvEFae/GgG0OzT5ijv9RyHbaDwTizN/GPLnK5j5uSq5xT+O5DzArnVwGXBl2 n4EvZHZ1Pp6CZ0A/4S5xL1dA2v4Sh9dkwt5o2rD7hBxMT37/NihIQ3Fr+g3CLVqTdB wKCkOOD5ios5ear01xvCyIX0UJ+fGh7Zp4yDCBYA= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more conservative about migration? (#2143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce53639a171c_2103fd9ff4cd95c19369c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:45:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce53639a171c_2103fd9ff4cd95c19369c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've gone through a bunch of different issues in this conversation, many of them have since been addressed. In general, we've come up with some requirements, like having both old and new paths be validated, removing many of the concerns around quiescence. There's also now a mention about heuristics, and it might be worth some editorial text describing possible heuristics to use (happy to put some of that together, will pretty much align with @martinduke's and @janaiyengar's comments above). Much of @martinthomson's comment above with the Tokyo proposal still applies, some of the last bits of the text outlined there are changing in #2637. We can try to summarize the current state of things (also happy to do that), but I'm not sure that there's a lot left to do in this issue specifically. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2143#issuecomment-494767874 ----==_mimepart_5ce53639a171c_2103fd9ff4cd95c19369c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We've gone through a bunch of different issues in this conversation, many of them have since been addressed.

In general, we've come up with some requirements, like having both old and new paths be validated, removing many of the concerns around quiescence. There's also now a mention about heuristics, and it might be worth some editorial text describing possible heuristics to use (happy to put some of that together, will pretty much align with @martinduke's and @janaiyengar's comments above).

Much of @martinthomson's comment above with the Tokyo proposal still applies, some of the last bits of the text outlined there are changing in #2637.

We can try to summarize the current state of things (also happy to do that), but I'm not sure that there's a lot left to do in this issue specifically.

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Well, collisions will be quite rare unless there are a lot of versions. And even once there is a collision, you can test-decrypt.

Actually, it's worth noting that you could just remove the QUIC version entirely.

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If we go for trial decryption (which isn't that crazy), then we can drop the version number field.

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The trial-decryption version is also compatible with the ESNIKeys approach.

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I like the trial decryption approach. The only problem is that random garbage sent to the server will now require not one 1200 byte trial decryption, but N such, where N is the number of supported versions. However, any trivial way to speed this up makes it equally cheap for middle boxes to filter.

There is a risk that future QUIC versions will reuse salts for initial keys to reduce the trial decryption load and encode the version information by other means.

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A few comments, some of which are important enough to fix. > @@ -187,8 +187,9 @@ QUIC: QUIC packet: -: The smallest unit of QUIC that can be encapsulated in a UDP datagram. Multiple - QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a single UDP datagram. +: A complete processable payload with a packet type, encryption level and I don't understand this. I agree that the existing definition isn't good, but "payload" means something else. > @@ -244,8 +245,9 @@ x (*) ...: # Streams {#streams} Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered byte-stream abstraction to an -application. An alternative view of QUIC streams is as an elastic "message" -abstraction. +application. Streams can be unidirectional or bidirecational. An alternative +view of QUIC unidirectional streams is a "message" abstraction of unlimited +length. Streams aren't unlimited length. > @@ -543,9 +546,8 @@ MAX_STREAM_DATA frames, it only receives any retransmissions of stream data. Once all data for the stream has been received, the receiving part enters the "Data Recvd" state. This might happen as a result of receiving the same STREAM -frame that causes the transition to "Size Known". In this state, the endpoint -has all stream data. Any STREAM or STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED frames it receives for -the stream can be discarded. +frame that causes the transition to "Size Known". Any STREAM or +STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED frames it receives for the stream can be discarded. I realize here that the last sentence here, if taken out of context, might be misleading. > @@ -643,7 +645,7 @@ receiving application is no longer reading data it receives from the stream, but it is not a guarantee that incoming data will be ignored. STREAM frames received after sending STOP_SENDING are still counted toward -connection and stream flow control, even though these frames will be discarded +connection and stream flow control, even though these frames may be discarded ```suggestion connection and stream flow control, even though these frames can be discarded ``` I try to avoid lowercase 2119 > @@ -657,11 +659,6 @@ RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but MAY use any application error code. The endpoint that sends a STOP_SENDING frame MAY ignore the error code carried in any RESET_STREAM frame it receives. -If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is already in the -"Data Sent" state, an endpoint that wishes to cease retransmission of -previously-sent STREAM frames on that stream MUST first send a RESET_STREAM -frame. Why? > @@ -734,9 +731,8 @@ used to check for flow control violations. A receiver might use a sum of bytes consumed on all streams to determine the maximum data limit to be advertised. A receiver can advertise a larger offset by sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA -frames at any time during the connection. A receiver cannot renege on an -advertisement however. That is, once a receiver advertises an offset, it MAY -advertise a smaller offset, but this has no effect. +frames. That is, once a receiver advertises an offset, it MAY advertise a ```suggestion frames. Once a receiver advertises an offset, it MAY advertise a ``` > @@ -746,16 +742,15 @@ A sender MUST ignore any MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frames that do not increase flow control limits. If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send new data -and is considered blocked. A sender SHOULD send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or -DATA_BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is blocked by flow +and is considered blocked. A sender SHOULD send a single STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or Are you attempting to imply that you don't retransmit the frames. ```suggestion and is considered blocked. A sender SHOULD send a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or ``` > @@ -797,10 +792,9 @@ been consumed, to avoid either exceeding flow control limits or deadlocking. On receipt of a RESET_STREAM frame, an endpoint will tear down state for the matching stream and ignore further data arriving on that stream. If a RESET_STREAM frame is reordered with stream data for the same stream, the -receiver's estimate of the number of bytes received on that stream can be lower -than the sender's estimate of the number sent. As a result, the two endpoints -could disagree on the number of bytes that count towards connection flow -control. +receiver's maximum total size on that stream can be lower than the +sender's total size. As a result, the two endpoints could disagree on +the number of bytes that count towards connection flow control. Maybe "Without the offset included in RESET_STREAM, the two endpoints could disagree..." > @@ -861,13 +855,12 @@ If either is received, the connection MUST be closed immediately with a connection error of type STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR (see {{immediate-close}}). Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer. An endpoint that -receives a STREAM frame with a stream ID exceeding the limit it has sent MUST +receives a frame with a stream ID exceeding the limit it has sent MUST You are talking here about trying to include STREAM_BLOCKED and RESET_STREAM as well as STREAM? But by making it generic you might accidentally capture STOP_SENDING. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2730#pullrequestreview-240607151 ----==_mimepart_5ce547f0c3eb9_10ed3fcaef6cd9606183cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

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A few comments, some of which are important enough to fix.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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I don't understand this. I agree that the existing definition isn't g= ood, but "payload" means something else.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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Streams aren't unlimited length.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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I realize here that the last sentence here, if taken out of context, m= ight be misleading.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -643,7 +645,7 @@ receiving application =
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I try to avoid lowercase 2119

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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Why?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -734,9 +731,8 @@ used to check for flow=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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Are you attempting to imply that you don't retransmit the frames.

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-and is considered blocked.  A sender SHOULD s=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -797,10 +792,9 @@ been consumed, to avo=
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+sender's total size.  As a result, the two endpoints could disagree =
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Maybe "Without the offset included in RESET_STREAM, the two endpoints = could disagree..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -861,13 +855,12 @@ If either is receive=
d, the connection MUST be closed immediately with a=0D
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 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that=
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You are talking here about trying to include STREAM_BLOCKED and RESET_= STREAM as well as STREAM? But by making it generic you might accidentall= y capture STOP_SENDING.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5ce547f0c3eb9_10ed3fcaef6cd9606183cb-- From nobody Wed May 22 06:02:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3C8120046 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A19QTARRXaNh for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50AD7120074 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:02:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558530173; bh=29jeBs589k11zb+YANWAtvQttBXZJGA8DtOwFEu0OvM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dvQRQ5j81KJOn2saiG1uBBylDpDNyoygBhHMpcBbxceJJ8zAYabjSjfJHVS377tQj pYs4FtuWCI3wFQPGVj6vhD+OtGxeXbp2GR5lMeyAIu2CcPzyiIV7U2KYKGFKeGY4bZ 4V0+ervn9zvNsY5E20+wRKBEh1Mhd2Ah5+VVykTw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport editorial suggestions (#2731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5487ce7f2e_7deb3ff3a10cd9681501bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:02:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5487ce7f2e_7deb3ff3a10cd9681501bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson requested changes on this pull request. One error here. > @@ -1336,11 +1335,7 @@ and sets the SCIL field to indicate the length. The first flight of 0-RTT packets use the same Destination and Source Connection ID values as the client's first Initial. -The Destination Connection ID field in the server's Initial packet contains a -connection ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet (i.e., the client); -the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the -packet wishes to use (see {{connection-id}}). The server MUST use consistent -Source Connection IDs during the handshake. +The server MUST use consistent Source Connection IDs during the handshake. This implies that the server cannot change its Source Connection ID between sending a Retry and sending an Initial. I hope that we agree that this is an implausible requirement. The consistency applies only after sending an Initial. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2731#pullrequestreview-240614043 ----==_mimepart_5ce5487ce7f2e_7deb3ff3a10cd9681501bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

One error here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1336,11 +1335,7 @@ and sets the SCIL field to indicate the length.
 The first flight of 0-RTT packets use the same Destination and Source Connection
 ID values as the client's first Initial.
 
-The Destination Connection ID field in the server's Initial packet contains a
-connection ID that is chosen by the recipient of the packet (i.e., the client);
-the Source Connection ID includes the connection ID that the sender of the
-packet wishes to use (see {{connection-id}}). The server MUST use consistent
-Source Connection IDs during the handshake.
+The server MUST use consistent Source Connection IDs during the handshake.

This implies that the server cannot change its Source Connection ID between sending a Retry and sending an Initial. I hope that we agree that this is an implausible requirement. The consistency applies only after sending an Initial.

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As a software developer I'm happy with trial decryption. The cost is so trivial compared to public key crypto.

It could be an issue for hardware offload, though I think we can live without hardware assistance for Initial packet processing.

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----==_mimepart_5ce549b429a90_6fb73ff6db2cd960722259-- From nobody Wed May 22 06:11:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E859120077 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98F5L2AWkcWg for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 868A5120033 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:11:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558530661; bh=u9BALAGzxJI3hRI9BkTDlVzwqfJ4TKdoZF14YqHGZvs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SWgMs476zGaRXU6ZjJwGIDoeGwnNRB38UUWD4uZf+EDyVis2JvH7Qda1azS5LMrat JHqNUGBDpJwNx2d7tropUNYPqcYRj5UziyV4thR+LdjSbwmDvlR4bgnaCh4HkR7zIG 3MUeXhcuOsKuZD6EiXSWYrnvGLjIMMoJz0x7Sc9g= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is path validation a SHOULD or a MUST -- pick one! (#2580) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce54a655b9ce_d673ff3a10cd96812932e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:11:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce54a655b9ce_d673ff3a10cd96812932e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert, I think is could be taking us a bit on a tangent, but by understanding of the quoted description of SHOULD is that "valid reasons [..] to ignore" may exist but not enumerated in the draft. In "MUST A, unless B", B is explicitly named and hence this becomes "MUST A or B". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2580#issuecomment-494795345 ----==_mimepart_5ce54a655b9ce_d673ff3a10cd96812932e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@larseggert, I think is could be taking us a bit on a tangent, but by understanding of the quoted description of SHOULD is that "valid reasons [..] to ignore" may exist but not enumerated in the draft. In "MUST A, unless B", B is explicitly named and hence this becomes "MUST A or B".

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Closes #2180. 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As agreed in London and Tokyo.

Closes #2180.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2746

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  • Clients use the same crypto handshake after Retry

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Discussed in London; @marten-seemann will (still) make a PR to prohibit senders from coalescing packets of different encryption levels and to permit (but not require) receivers to enforce this constraint.

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Clarified in London:

  • Sender of a packet cannot coalesce multiple packets of the same type.
  • If you receive multiple packets of the same type in the same datagram, you're not obligated to process all of them.

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London:

  • Also remove the error code, since it's no longer a protocol violation.

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----==_mimepart_5ce54ded71e4a_159e3fcaef6cd96011259f4-- From nobody Wed May 22 06:32:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51681200CC for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gxiXaKNlt8XF for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A56120033 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:32:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558531931; bh=mAbnoLVP16Jex2Hh2wO5NTrRjtHtuo9BdN2fvlYHzfU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=v1c3xDouJVXLLbb58Pgd4Xi50UbVruNgQ1vyNDosYOQwVUGXZcsm31vOj3LIf8yYe 6rpH3ieSLGX/n+T57UlqhaKIwu9RnaYwxv9IQyAdiGeb4jnuyDa7bzoVuc+UomHm9q H9QIAb/AhBfd/CEACQ+NeU++i5r9u+A8IxJHRUR8= From: Patrick Meenan Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 priorities are too complex for a majority of implementations (#2739) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce54f5b7dea2_699a3f8b3d2cd9605374e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pmeenan X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:32:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce54f5b7dea2_699a3f8b3d2cd9605374e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The other big change discussed yesterday by moving away from a tree we can move from a relative priority structure where each request needs to know about the others on the same connection to an absolute priority scheme where priority can be tied to the request itself without extra knowledge. Within the HTTP/2 implementation itself it may not make a big difference but exposing it as an API on the client and server side becomes much easier (and it allows for merging of priority decisions made on the client and server sides). A simpler API could always be mapped to the tree but managing equivalent mappings on both ends can become unwieldy if you have multiple clients you don't control or talk to servers you don't control. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2739#issuecomment-494803775 ----==_mimepart_5ce54f5b7dea2_699a3f8b3d2cd9605374e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The other big change discussed yesterday by moving away from a tree we can move from a relative priority structure where each request needs to know about the others on the same connection to an absolute priority scheme where priority can be tied to the request itself without extra knowledge. Within the HTTP/2 implementation itself it may not make a big difference but exposing it as an API on the client and server side becomes much easier (and it allows for merging of priority decisions made on the client and server sides).

A simpler API could always be mapped to the tree but managing equivalent mappings on both ends can become unwieldy if you have multiple clients you don't control or talk to servers you don't control.

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This is a SHOULD per agreement in London because a) we can't decide why
you might not, but b) we can't mandate any particular action on the part
of a receiver.

Closes #2308.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2747

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  • Recommend only one packet per encryption level

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

Maybe it's more readable to combine the two paragraphs into one, or at least the part about generating the response to the Retry.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3885,14 +3885,17 @@ the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see
 The next Initial packet from the client uses the connection ID and token values
 from the Retry packet (see {{negotiating-connection-ids}}).  Aside from this,
 the Initial packet sent by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the
-first Initial packet.  A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake
-message or construct a new one at its discretion.
+first Initial packet.  A client MUST use the same cryptographic handshake
+message it includes in this packet.  A server MAY treat a packet that

And it MUST NOT reset the packet number to 0.

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There is a proposal I don't exactly recall where, to use invalid handshake packets as part of probe. I dislike this, but others seem to think that it is a great idea. But it does go against one encryption level per packet.

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----==_mimepart_5ce5516e41445_6d9c3fdb32ecd964421782-- From nobody Wed May 22 06:41:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD44120074 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWy8sQdSHk5m for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D96F5120135 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:41:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558532463; bh=ilcT5oEz2JbF5/GKfHR9q4XstmO0E82bjB3aiLm9LGA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GHtqpw1Qno6y/QObJ/DOlGO/xKwFamev/12HPu67Yp85Cnt7dIR7dWOKVqgUQZtQq cC93QgCijqv2nqPLFg7KOoIU1Jw9A5UZrFMx24wrGpgWapq8NOJC4b7AL8ALFd7i4s WSb0nhAb5BnSHUfanwtM2a5xrIHizGo+vwGl3aVg= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Optimistic ACK in early handshake (#2192) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5516f27eff_5f853fec324cd96c8968e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:41:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5516f27eff_5f853fec324cd96c8968e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopened #2192. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2192#event-2359360007 ----==_mimepart_5ce5516f27eff_5f853fec324cd96c8968e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopened #2192.

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We already have an editorial issue in this section; it needs breaking into subsections rather than combining long paragraphs into even longer ones. Thanks for catching the packet number thing.

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  • 786cbf4 Keep the same packet numbers after Retry

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:43:29 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6734c4061eaf61d35464ebe74d9a85c9b22083d1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6734c4061eaf61d35464ebe74d9a85c9b22083d1 Author: Andy Grover Date: 2019-05-21 (Tue, 21 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- transport: replace "stateless retry" in text with "retry" ekr says there used to be stateless and stateful retry, but now there is just stateless. This is the only place the phrase is used, so instead just say "retry". Commit: 9daefe9eff7b79e149e4233a7bcf006a2423607b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9daefe9eff7b79e149e4233a7bcf006a2423607b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-05-22 (Wed, 22 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2738 from agrover/remove-stateless-retry transport: replace "stateless retry" in text with "retry" Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3fb20ba46de2...9daefe9eff7b From nobody Wed May 22 06:43:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23046120131 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:43:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S1-BBGTucRiK for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CE36120072 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:43:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558532614; bh=hSaKH3c3nKyNn3Nn5qXMoWbhVOpVbyGXY+F82wxk4c0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JhOaJovb3Eo8LtbWPBTkzsJ/k3rPdYAhXfjmOYtnDTtHxk6vpGdORFvylTx+AA9Bk Pptj7o8xEHeHOO/eTcnyfImO05Ay+cqJgyzMNVG4Y5vYOE2xb5Ekiklqcxz7L9dusH fMswE5cdi1jMTKxMRp7W1yy+cRlx9jfMshggay1s= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] transport: replace "stateless retry" in text with "retry" (#2738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce55206aa47a_24bb3fcaef6cd96078484a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:43:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce55206aa47a_24bb3fcaef6cd96078484a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #2738 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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If the expansions are revised, could we get rid of spaces then?

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----==_mimepart_5ce5530666739_1c173fa7bbacd9685580d1-- From nobody Wed May 22 06:48:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF174120128 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwBf_N5bH8Lv for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E281B120131 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:47:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558532874; bh=aDqQpGkyzK1okPVSSEYbsGsreaiUP1B+WWqWMW/t2V8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tOwGWhU5PHAw84t0pLoBLs2Vujl569dUYFpY3x3hh3+psFoGY3slhVrucOHkw3XmT NCT8CoIEuQlV3sbAU1gCvo5gpU7M4B6S1zqrKdmB9qxwRO/GOZG44+KMmID5U+P+XA 6aKCMhUvYnLp9os0Po3k5CE0pmpQiimKsOcxQxog= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest acked in ACK frame MUST NOT decrease (#2205) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5530aad9e3_27633f87068cd9681094096"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:47:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5530aad9e3_27633f87068cd9681094096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is mostly addressed and what's left is OBE. There's text in the draft now that says: "Processing counts out of order can result in verification failure. An endpoint SHOULD NOT perform this verification if the ACK frame is received in a packet with packet number lower than a previously received ACK frame. Verifying based on ACK frames that arrive out of order can result in disabling ECN unnecessarily." This would be adequate, but there's other text (thanks to #2312) that says old ACKs can be resent. I think we simply add a note about that in the para above, which should be adequate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2205#issuecomment-494810073 ----==_mimepart_5ce5530aad9e3_27633f87068cd9681094096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think this is mostly addressed and what's left is OBE. There's text in the draft now that says: "Processing counts out of order can result in verification failure. An endpoint SHOULD NOT perform this verification if the ACK frame is received in a packet with packet number lower than a previously received ACK frame. Verifying based on ACK frames that arrive out of order can result in disabling ECN unnecessarily."

This would be adequate, but there's other text (thanks to #2312) that says old ACKs can be resent. I think we simply add a note about that in the para above, which should be adequate.

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Changes =E2=80= =A6=0D =0D =0D Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9daefe9eff7b...409= 4ad2f86db=0D From nobody Wed May 22 06:48:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA94B12014A for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z8UIuLH-Q8qj for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31BA4120135 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 06:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 06:48:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558532881; bh=iq5TUmspJmOiygyTu6enQlC4YDE9ajut0xQCEc6fEdU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=scqJ8EOHL4r5HrcDd3BaB2jid1hpvp4HgP0XFF32iQuDHqNP/HrHhkyR0tRD76XG+ t/Sd9WhoiafAThcVepgA22j57AGLTWiz8r0eI6eOXW2+56AWE9PL22PUGFGuyUR7nl 5uftDBZaSOnbWvXaUGdERT3mFuUSh5k/etoC5gVg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[quicwg/base-drafts]_Clarify_that_unlinkability_is?= =?UTF-8?Q?_required_for_NEW=5FTOKEN_tokens._Changes_=E2=80=A6_=28#2647=29?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5531131f64_15113fcaef6cd9605087c8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:48:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5531131f64_15113fcaef6cd9605087c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @kazuho ! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Discussion on London: I think this misunderstands the purpose of the retry token.

As a practical matter, we assume that servers under normal conditions respond to Initial with a full first flight. Otherwise, QUIC is a two-round trip protocol no better than TCP. So, there is a builtin 3x amplification attack on random victims.

The purpose of the retry token is when the server is under attack from spoofed packets, and wants to efficiently distinguish between true and false IPs so it can blacklist the attackers. A retry token collection attack is possible here too, but the anti-DoS system has to track IPs anyway, and so can just track any IP address which is associated with excessive traffic anyway.

Proposal: Close with no action.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 22 07:04:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9818A12013B for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X_55sNU5E81K for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0228812004F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 07:04:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558533840; bh=1jbSplCaZ+8lAYWPLVnVDzBIQ0x9P84OizHX5ycLqTk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BEXkq0SGBuHoRg6Ly+4pxEtCPTWTCdGnJvCaoYwDnGjlJN0YSBVK1gCzwO3uLoiiy jQV7YKqIHyxj4jegen0uzBKtGKJbPrb02xRz+aOarhjvk6o/8E1TFC9ifMlJSw6x1g DSrowMl0Lutw5zXp0zCf4j2/4FV3+b+138bODQfI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retransmitting ACKs may cause misleading RTT samples (#2748) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce556d06ed9_66b33fd3d38cd96c7831d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:04:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce556d06ed9_66b33fd3d38cd96c7831d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though a sender is encouraged to assemble frames containing up-to-date information every time it sends a packet, it is not forbidden to retransmit copies of frames from lost packets. A receiver MUST accept packets containing an outdated frame, such as a MAX_DATA frame carrying a smaller maximum data than one found in an older packet. https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2312/files If a packet containing an ACK is lost and the payload is retransmitted with a new packet number AND no ACKs are received prior to the retransmitted ACK frame arriving, the peer will calculate and RTT sample that is 2 RTTs + loss recovery delay. As such, I'd suggest we add a warning that retransmitting ACKs can cause RTT inflation and is heavily discouraged. There may be other issues with retransmitting ACKs, but this is the first that comes to mind. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2748 ----==_mimepart_5ce556d06ed9_66b33fd3d38cd96c7831d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Even though a sender is encouraged to assemble frames containing up-to-date information every time it sends a packet, it is not forbidden to retransmit copies of frames from lost packets. A receiver MUST accept packets containing an outdated frame, such as a MAX_DATA frame carrying a smaller maximum data than one found in an older packet.
https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2312/files

If a packet containing an ACK is lost and the payload is retransmitted with a new packet number AND no ACKs are received prior to the retransmitted ACK frame arriving, the peer will calculate and RTT sample that is 2 RTTs + loss recovery delay.

As such, I'd suggest we add a warning that retransmitting ACKs can cause RTT inflation and is heavily discouraged.

There may be other issues with retransmitting ACKs, but this is the first that comes to mind.

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----==_mimepart_5ce55921da336_1c813fa7bbacd96841706b-- From nobody Wed May 22 07:14:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E136012004F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jZZFxKg5noG7 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE8F3120046 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:14:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=JnLW40qvZPs2ZP+1GI+19vQzud4=; b=NCbthVU5IEb6ogR1 Jo2tA8Yy3QFOYgnwCi93QviwHDJAce3AcvSBXT9kHPIk+sP1Tin3BMW3rjOoaV6r pkj7Oxk6LELCmF00j/qxu0pV15M7s+ANK9ctI4iEjr3+/zlWUzjSSOq0uWNNYJwT JIUEgNEdnmz5fmbV8c0lTDzf+/Q= Received: by filter0611p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0611p1iad2-28968-5CE55948-63 2019-05-22 14:14:32.813361278 +0000 UTC m=+755406.465200076 Received: from github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.15]) by ismtpd0019p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ChtWD4iGRZqU4kFwuF2MQw for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 14:14:32.694 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB2544005B for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:14:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC Version Ossification (#2496) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce559489a122_e023fec324cd96c816236"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak25RKMQPgpElo1Vj7nQLuRZG5lB2YLvZR+QHo 8UndfGI4wrg7uEa+xz5D4pGwF/ZVrs9CZYCLr2AYnk26pcurINT9gJve8VS4RD/wGZIfqrX0cvpBwE upYbTJrRBX7sSROqOr9bfGyhzdQauu73nouQPGOTgVjtKnjpPMnHxtw5hagVPksEF4y/4tWLWOYqu3 E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:14:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce559489a122_e023fec324cd96c816236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we are to remove the version number field in favor of trial decryption, we need to figure out how a server would figure out a packet that failed to decrypt was a connection establishment attempt, so that it can send a Version Negotiation packet. Otherwise, a client would no longer be possible to fallback to a different version. One way of resolving the problem is to use the QUIC bit as a SYN bit. If the server fails to trial-decrypt the packet in any of the versions it supports, the server would send a Version Negotiation packet. Having a SYN bit also helps the server, because trial decryption would only be required for packets that have the flag set. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2496#issuecomment-494821348 ----==_mimepart_5ce559489a122_e023fec324cd96c816236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If we are to remove the version number field in favor of trial decryption, we need to figure out how a server would figure out a packet that failed to decrypt was a connection establishment attempt, so that it can send a Version Negotiation packet. Otherwise, a client would no longer be possible to fallback to a different version.

One way of resolving the problem is to use the QUIC bit as a SYN bit. If the server fails to trial-decrypt the packet in any of the versions it supports, the server would send a Version Negotiation packet.

Having a SYN bit also helps the server, because trial decryption would only be required for packets that have the flag set.

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This says that we don't do CCM_8 and makes it clear that you don't reject an attempt to use a ciphersuite you don't understand. Closes #2742, #2682, #2581. Commit: 8fe5ec69b192db580133964a6d5b8225c02bc7f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fe5ec69b192db580133964a6d5b8225c02bc7f5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-05-22 (Wed, 22 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial fixes Commit: 66741c094294c28c4aedcee0e8cfd16d81070aea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66741c094294c28c4aedcee0e8cfd16d81070aea Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-05-22 (Wed, 22 May 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2743 from quicwg/ciphersuite-16 Better articulate principles for ciphersuites Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4094ad2f86db...66741c094294 From nobody Wed May 22 07:17:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B16120122 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:17:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MhDpwvBmVTHY for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9D11120046 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 07:17:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558534622; bh=8QC672Rrw7azNvz9/sYdCv4ZaARvJ1y3ftuZ+myyclA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=etYHoizfNcVKHNNwoN1MoNPO7mO9oUXrBdunxhjGiZMjUae0rrBKbTqASOrYiNhrU XLYPk628Pz83/xo2BFI9SH7Dbj1dDwDRZzoBzMHgisaf3o6NBF4oaJ3xAR1czP/mDO Qru/CYaHkrXqz7ruYBlVGmPyqak8HjydlrNssWZo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Automatic applicability of new TLS cipher suites (#2742) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce559de2559e_e133f8435ccd9606098f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:17:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce559de2559e_e133f8435ccd9606098f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2742 via #2743. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 22 07:25:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07FD120046 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:25:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J1PU5jZBV9EH for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E88DF120133 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 07:24:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558535099; bh=kamqHBvc69wyg/381Yz7X5jTJnpW/9xbYRCsDTt2mrM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UWJ63gqda0RKl1PwYHmFGD/33HT1ct+uNTX0pJ2PvX5HZq0sXNeS8QyB1mZU0RXjy 2Skhnb6OI5aPaMpE5uBdh5g88xOjoxZclK45InhjpNebhKlxIs8TRyPN3l6xLfSYsC aCrUefqqsD++P4sB8pzjLLvahK8sUjqt85wOyUR4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Better articulate principles for ciphersuites (#2743) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce55bbb88042_d653ff3a10cd96814579bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:25:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce55bbb88042_d653ff3a10cd96814579bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I must be entirely missing the point, but I don't understand this: > An endpoint MUST NOT reject a ClientHello that offers a ciphersuite that ... Can you please explain how this works? For the sake of argument, TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 is not supported, but the peer chooses to use it, and the TLS engine behind it all decides to support it via some configuration that the endpoint is directly aware of. How does the endpoint now deal with header protection. Is it assumed that this is a TLS black box so it just magically works if the TLS engine has accepted the cipher via some useful API call. If it is a TLS blackbox API call, how would that work with HW offloading? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2743#issuecomment-494825756 ----==_mimepart_5ce55bbb88042_d653ff3a10cd96814579bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I must be entirely missing the point, but I don't understand this:

An endpoint MUST NOT reject a ClientHello that offers a ciphersuite that ...

Can you please explain how this works? For the sake of argument, TLS_AES_128_CCM_8_SHA256 is not supported, but the peer chooses to use it, and the TLS engine behind it all decides to support it via some configuration that the endpoint is directly aware of.

How does the endpoint now deal with header protection. Is it assumed that this is a TLS black box so it just magically works if the TLS engine has accepted the cipher via some useful API call.

If it is a TLS blackbox API call, how would that work with HW offloading?

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----==_mimepart_5ce55bbb88042_d653ff3a10cd96814579bc-- From nobody Wed May 22 07:26:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E9C12004F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:26:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4D0Wli-wWBEB for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32CC7120033 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 07:26:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558535207; bh=ebqs1E9QMhDPQQNZ+C5Njjjl4JXFkwI4a/kAVJOEAEo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0yzaT6GlHz/bBo5nE25w2mA67WOqvlzd7uHsfnt+72z5Zj7sAjaG455tr19eE92zs /TOHURnqzxsyKl/w/bgoRvba/pifNQr7VF+eSEEDTdCIqM7l0srSi52zLCiKIbtN7R Se+mrK3Rgwig+ypS42+JetnFMH8Ko90UdUoGbJqo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Better articulate principles for ciphersuites (#2743) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce55c272cef2_5d863fd9ff4cd95c126380"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:26:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce55c272cef2_5d863fd9ff4cd95c126380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now I understand it. Being offered by TLS is not the same as being used by any of the endpoints. Sorry for the noise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2743#issuecomment-494826469 ----==_mimepart_5ce55c272cef2_5d863fd9ff4cd95c126380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Now I understand it. Being offered by TLS is not the same as being used by any of the endpoints. Sorry for the noise.

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Fixes #2736.

As a straw man, I selected a v1 limit of 48 bytes to reflect comments in London. Note that we cannot grease the unused bits of the CIL fields if we're going to make load balancers robust to version changes (which is the point in having CIDs in the invariants, IIRC).

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The version field could also be replaced with zero padding and encrypted with a version 0 salt (QUIC invariant the rules that packet) and packet content nonce. If the field does not decode to 0, it was not a QUIC packet, at least not one using expected invariants.

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It is not sufficient to discard ECN if one QUIC packet is discared, you need to discard ALL QUIC packets in the IP packet. 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It is not sufficient to discard ECN if one QUIC packet is discared, you need to discard ALL QUIC packets in the IP packet. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2750 -- Commit Summary -- * Don't use ECN if packets are discarded -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2750.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2750.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2750 ----==_mimepart_5ce55e6e8c6af_6dc53fcfde4cd9641281689 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gorryfair made a good suggestion in #2163, which I have taken and
tweaked further. It is not sufficient to discard ECN if one QUIC packet
is discared, you need to discard ALL QUIC packets in the IP packet.

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  • Don't use ECN if packets are discarded

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Sounds about right to me.

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----==_mimepart_5ce55ef2c4ccc_59da3fd9ff4cd95c20463d7-- From nobody Wed May 22 07:41:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F5212006A for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knUWcspHKLsH for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08D2312004F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 07:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 07:41:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558536087; bh=b6IZ8zZEkUII8TYW9G0ifUQ9VkbCa41B9DkjDW9/jGw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0YsTep2e7MI+kqC0aTEodAua3aYnteuLoxj/XxaMsfvaMhR7eNbU1uMpjPw72uYJH CqK1DXyYvMAQqS0IydUV8EkmaO1qOC2BN3Y9jDdFNwofzyuTrag1KfycZ9KooKKIz0 dj0BmAu/5NNGzQVA9Y+NIpVIfJrUzEde41LXYlhQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idle Timer Can Fire Even with Outstanding Data to Send (#2744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce55f97d760f_79d73fb00b6cd964208281"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 14:41:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce55f97d760f_79d73fb00b6cd964208281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems reasonable to use a keep-alive. If you have something you want to use the connection for and you aren't able to maintain activity on the connection, then either poke it or - more likely - give up. I don't think that we need a design change for this, but if you want to write some text, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a look. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2744#issuecomment-494832793 ----==_mimepart_5ce55f97d760f_79d73fb00b6cd964208281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It seems reasonable to use a keep-alive. If you have something you want to use the connection for and you aren't able to maintain activity on the connection, then either poke it or - more likely - give up. I don't think that we need a design change for this, but if you want to write some text, I wouldn't be opposed to taking a look.

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

Thank you, this addresses the original issue. One nit below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4010,7 +4014,9 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
 
 : A stateless reset token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see
   {{stateless-reset}}.  This parameter is a sequence of 16 bytes.  This
-  transport parameter is only sent by a server.
+  transport parameter MUST NOT be sent by a client, but MAY be sent by a server.
+  A server that does not send this transport parameter cannot use stateless
+  reset; see {{stateless-reset}}.

Unless it sends a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame?

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It would be nice if an invalid length could not be expressed. Is 48 a completely arbitrary number?

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@dtikhonov somewhat arbitrary. @ianswett wanted it smaller than a 64B cacheline; the most extreme use case we came up with was "more than 32B".

However, I'd prefer that we not artificially limit it in the invariants, because my imagination is limited.

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It's great to have CID's of length 1..3 bytes, but perhaps some guidelines are needed as there is an increased collision chance and some attack mitigations might make assumptions on the CID being at least 32 bits.

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I'm not advocating a max burst size of 4 (although I do believe this is = safe, other sizes larger may also be safe), however my thought was that the= draft infers IW as a safe size to burst - I don't know that this is always= true - especially if we look to the future use of a larger IW. You could (= I think you do) argue that IW is an upper bound to this safe burst size wit= hout pacing.

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=0D =E2=80=A2 I think we should limit a burst <=3D some size or that pacing = is needed, or if not then it MUST (!) reduce to a safe IW.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-ECN codepoints set in duplicate packets (see {{ecn}}).=0D
+the original to be successful in this attack.  Therefore, QUIC endpoints=
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+the ECN codepoint field on an IP packet unless at least one QUIC packet =
in that IP packet=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -143,11 +143,13 @@ version-specific semantics are marked with an X.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                         Version (32)                          |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|DCIL(4)|SCIL(4)|
+|    DCIL (8)   |

I think that we should have a varint length.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@ following layout:
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (182..)                ...
+|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (422..)                ...

This one remains particularly thorny. Now there is no way to generate a stateless reset that is a reasonable size. Yes, this is technically bounded, but now the naive stateless reset is considerably bigger than the packet that triggers it in many more cases.

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REPLACE_CONN_ID sounds simple, though we need to remember that this frame might arrive out-of-order.

That means that this frame needs to have it's own sequence number and the receiver needs to retain the largest sequence number for each of the Connection ID that it maintains...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@ following layout:
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (182..)                ...
+|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (422..)                ...

Isn't there a rule that you can't send a reset that's biger than the originating packet?

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REPLACE_CONN_ID is interesting, but we need to go through the rest of the issues surrounding changing that base assumption. It's potentially worth working through the fallout from doing that and seeing how icky it gets.

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I think we should not do this as this stage, thinking of how messy it was to evolve path migration. Also multi-path might complicate things further. Suggest v2.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@ following layout:
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (182..)                ...
+|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (422..)                ...

eternal ping pong rule

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@ following layout:
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (182..)                ...
+|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (422..)                ...

you can get around sending a reset only once per every 4 received packets on average, but consensus dislike random.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2476,6 +2476,14 @@ the same static key (see {{reset-oracle}}).  A connection ID from a connection
 that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token MUST NOT be reused for new
 connections at nodes that share a static key.
 
+The same Stateless Reset Token MAY be used for multiple connection IDs on the
+same connection.  An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure
+that any connection ID used on the connection is matched to the active
+connection, including any routing performed at load balancers, even when a
+connection ID has been retired.  Otherwise, an attacker might be able to send a
+packet with a retired connection ID and cause the endpoint to produce a
+Stateless Reset.
+
 Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.

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Instead, perhaps a 1-RTT timer, after the REPLACE_CONN_ID is acknowledged, then I just remove the old CID from my routing table, which means those packets would then be dropped. On the side that receives the REPLACE_CONN_ID, it would have to ensure that it replaces immediately though, because if it continues to use the old CID after ACK'ing will eventually get a stateless reset. I have several performance problems I am trying to solve with this right now, which I am trying to push a solution in v1. If the solution to this is ever optional (different version or extension) then it's not going to be a valid solution, I would have to go back to the drawing board. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-494842855 ----==_mimepart_5ce56509eb09d_2c913fb1812cd964206963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree, that because of reordering, we can't require immediate usage of the new CID after the packet/frame is acknowledged. Instead, perhaps a 1-RTT timer, after the REPLACE_CONN_ID is acknowledged, then I just remove the old CID from my routing table, which means those packets would then be dropped.

On the side that receives the REPLACE_CONN_ID, it would have to ensure that it replaces immediately though, because if it continues to use the old CID after ACK'ing will eventually get a stateless reset.

I have several performance problems I am trying to solve with this right now, which I am trying to push a solution in v1. If the solution to this is ever optional (different version or extension) then it's not going to be a valid solution, I would have to go back to the drawing board.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2476,6 +2476,14 @@ the same static key (see {{reset-oracle}}).  A connection ID from a connection
 that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token MUST NOT be reused for new
 connections at nodes that share a static key.
 
+The same Stateless Reset Token MAY be used for multiple connection IDs on the
+same connection.  An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure
+that any connection ID used on the connection is matched to the active
+connection, including any routing performed at load balancers, even when a
+connection ID has been retired.  Otherwise, an attacker might be able to send a
+packet with a retired connection ID and cause the endpoint to produce a
+Stateless Reset.
+
 Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.

I've tweaked the text (there was a grammatical error), but I think that this was related to the change. It was a minor editorial thing. It's really hard to get this right.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -143,11 +143,13 @@ version-specific semantics are marked with an X.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                         Version (32)                          |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|DCIL(4)|SCIL(4)|
+|    DCIL (8)   |

Discussed in the room; though varints would help with greasing; it is a pain and creates serious problems for current deployments.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2476,6 +2476,14 @@ the same static key (see {{reset-oracle}}).  A connection ID from a connection
 that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token MUST NOT be reused for new
 connections at nodes that share a static key.
 
+The same Stateless Reset Token MAY be used for multiple connection IDs on the
+same connection.  An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure
+that any connection ID used on the connection is matched to the active
+connection, including any routing performed at load balancers, even when a
+connection ID has been retired.  Otherwise, an attacker might be able to send a
+packet with a retired connection ID and cause the endpoint to produce a
+Stateless Reset.
+
 Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.

The text has been changed since I wrote the above, but largely:

An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure
that any connection ID associated with the reused value is correlated with to
the active connection, even when the connection ID has been retired.

It is not entirely clear what timeframe this pertains to. There is time where the an unknown packet is received and the connection is active from the peers perspective but no longer used from the receivers perspective. And there is the time where the token is issued during connection establishment or path migration. The latter is the intent, but it is not easy to read.

It could perhaps be formulated like

A Stateless Reset Token MUST be unique to a single connection. The same token MAY be reissued for different Connection ID's on the same connection when it can be guaranteed that they all route to the same endpoint for the duration of the connection even after a Connection ID has been retired.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@ following layout:
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (182..)                ...
+|0|1|               Unpredictable Bits (422..)                ...

discussed in London; I think we're OK with this

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@DavidSchinazi Raises a good point; for purposes of Version Negotiation, v1 servers need to accommodate longer CIDs (up to 255 bytes). I'll make the change.

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for purposes of Version Negotiation, v1 servers need to accommodate longer CIDs (up to 255 bytes).

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Closes #2720.

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I started writing up a PR for REPLACE_CONN_ID and I realized that the frame would end up being pretty much exactly that the same as NEW_CONN_ID. So, one way we could support REPLACE_CONN_ID semantics would be a smaller change to allow for NEW_CONN_ID to overwrite a CID sequence number. Practically that's exactly what REPLACE_CONN_ID would do, but adds a new frame and a good bit of new text.

So, would folks rather change NEW_CONN_ID to allow for overwriting, or add a completely separate frame?

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one way we could support REPLACE_CONN_ID semantics would be a smaller change to allow for NEW_CONN_ID to overwrite a CID sequence number.

I am not sure if that is the case. Consider the case where the sender first decides to replace CID at sequence N with value X, then decides to replace that CID with value Y.

I think we need a way to distinguish if which of replace-to-X replace-to-Y was sent later. So, we need a sequence number for each of the CID that is being replaced.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2476,6 +2476,14 @@ the same static key (see {{reset-oracle}}).  A connection ID from a connection
 that is reset by revealing the Stateless Reset Token MUST NOT be reused for new
 connections at nodes that share a static key.
 
+The same Stateless Reset Token MAY be used for multiple connection IDs on the
+same connection.  An endpoint that reuses a Stateless Reset Token MUST ensure
+that any connection ID used on the connection is matched to the active
+connection, including any routing performed at load balancers, even when a
+connection ID has been retired.  Otherwise, an attacker might be able to send a
+packet with a retired connection ID and cause the endpoint to produce a
+Stateless Reset.
+
 Note that Stateless Reset packets do not have any cryptographic protection.

That doesn't quite work because it is OK to forget a connection ID if the associated stateless reset token is no longer in use. Maybe I need to try again.

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If it only takes effect if the CID is still current it avoids a lookup to scan all queued CIDs.

This would also address @kazuho's concern I believe.

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@mikkelfj It doesn't, because NEW_CONNECTION_ID specifies the CID being replaced by using the sequence number, not the current value of the CID.

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Yes, but there is a proposal to allow for a special case where the CID is used explicitly. I'm not sure that would cleanly map to the same frame given that, as you say, the other CIDs use numbers.

Also, it wouldn't allow a global reroute if a process moves. All other pending CIDs might be void. Hence a flush all CIDs if current CID match might be needed.

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REPLACE_CONN_ID would have the exact same reorder problem.

One solution is that the sender must not update a connection ID until the previous packet/frame was acknowledged. The other possibility would that receiver keep track of the packet number the connection ID was received in. Always use the CID in the most recent packet number.

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I'd prefer to have the sender have the responsibility, and in that case, only implementations that actually want to change their CID gets the extra complexity.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One solution is that the sender must not update a connection ID until the previous packet/frame was acknowledged. The other possibility would that receiver keep track of the packet number the connection ID was received in. Always use the CID in the most recent packet number. I do not think that either of the two would work considering the fact that an endpoint is permitted to retransmit out-of-date frames as they are. Consider the case where an endpoint first sends packet(pn=x,REPLACE_CONN_CID(seq=y,new_value=a)), then sends packet(pn=y,REPLACE_CONN_ID(seq=y,new_value=b)). If pn=x is deemed lost, then the endpoint is permitted to send(pn=z, REPLACE_CONN_CID(seq=y,new_value=a)), where z is greater than y. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-494863822 ----==_mimepart_5ce570e8978a5_11013ffb518cd96c847515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

One solution is that the sender must not update a connection ID until the previous packet/frame was acknowledged. The other possibility would that receiver keep track of the packet number the connection ID was received in. Always use the CID in the most recent packet number.

I do not think that either of the two would work considering the fact that an endpoint is permitted to retransmit out-of-date frames as they are.

Consider the case where an endpoint first sends packet(pn=x,REPLACE_CONN_CID(seq=y,new_value=a)), then sends packet(pn=y,REPLACE_CONN_ID(seq=y,new_value=b)). If pn=x is deemed lost, then the endpoint is permitted to send(pn=z, REPLACE_CONN_CID(seq=y,new_value=a)), where z is greater than y.

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Cleans up ECN verification text.

Fixes #2534.

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----==_mimepart_5ce5711b4f829_2d483ff3a10cd9686256d9-- From nobody Wed May 22 08:57:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D295B1201F8 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzpDdgzhORgl for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E33C120220 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 08:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 08:56:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558540584; bh=4y4sgvmZGnFuf3ZSRi++9bu9aOfFDQGUzXX4P/dcsdU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=mvpR5TLWJpnejt+40ImDu7QmPtuVfIC4bKPFXI1nmiWOAh0sKkXVNnZsE6Gg1Dly9 wNSrY+JqwTDR4D7dPOjp2sjvTXxelWON+ZaoCG4qKlrYjr4ZhVFAgXjHZlkILIj0mJ E/X0lPXX+W6oHdTC8E39ecltKiKMBGsovZzYo2PA= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] fbc3df: Script updating gh-pages from 91a2967e. 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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 22 09:03:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963E1201D0 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 09:03:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1d6bTCY-HyxZ for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D907812015F for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 09:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:03:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558541010; bh=XQrSKNt+cM4Tk6jsxJ1ZfY25muaNrtHZMjGyc7BTv54=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AunHRpxEJeQzbiZC1m8fX8+NCmyqdxzzf5G9eG4REgD0+Avxp9LBYUiaoTDd52S8m m/3GqnywQwGrzNEwMaPu3QpbvNSlWYBc4ULSxMvaB6oHVoJljxJEMmTjwUpd/bknd6 lUIjkrKGawBOk4ubPYDNGudcQVWuTkML8jCGP+hI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN verification text (#2752) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce572d28da8d_20be3fa83eecd968570986"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 16:03:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce572d28da8d_20be3fa83eecd968570986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett requested changes on this pull request. > -experiencing congestion. +It is possible for faulty network devices on path to corrupt or erroneously drop +all IP packets with ECN Capable Transport (ECT) codepoints set. To provide +robust connectivity in the presence of such devices, each endpoint independently +verifies and enables use of ECN. Even if not setting ECT codepoints on packets +it transmits, the endpoint SHOULD provide feedback about ECN markings received +if they are accessible. + +To verify both that a path supports ECN and that the peer can provide ECN +feedback, an endpoint initially sets the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of +all outgoing packets {{!RFC8311}}. + +If all packets with ECT codepoints are dropped by a network device, endpoints +can detect loss of the packets and MAY cease setting ECT codepoints in +subsequent packets. As one concrete strategy, an endpoint could disable setting +of ECT codepoints if Initial packets with ECT codepoints set are deemed lost. How many initial packets? All, 1? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -experiencing congestion.
+It is possible for faulty network devices on path to corrupt or erroneously drop
+all IP packets with ECN Capable Transport (ECT) codepoints set.  To provide
+robust connectivity in the presence of such devices, each endpoint independently
+verifies and enables use of ECN.  Even if not setting ECT codepoints on packets
+it transmits, the endpoint SHOULD provide feedback about ECN markings received
+if they are accessible.
+
+To verify both that a path supports ECN and that the peer can provide ECN
+feedback, an endpoint initially sets the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of
+all outgoing packets {{!RFC8311}}.
+
+If all packets with ECT codepoints are dropped by a network device, endpoints
+can detect loss of the packets and MAY cease setting ECT codepoints in
+subsequent packets.  As one concrete strategy, an endpoint could disable setting
+of ECT codepoints if Initial packets with ECT codepoints set are deemed lost.

How many initial packets? All, 1?

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To provide +robust connectivity in the presence of such devices, each endpoint independently +verifies and enables use of ECN. Even if not setting ECT codepoints on packets +it transmits, the endpoint SHOULD provide feedback about ECN markings received +if they are accessible. + +To verify both that a path supports ECN and that the peer can provide ECN +feedback, an endpoint initially sets the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of +all outgoing packets {{!RFC8311}}. + +If all packets with ECT codepoints are dropped by a network device, endpoints +can detect loss of the packets and MAY cease setting ECT codepoints in +subsequent packets. As one concrete strategy, an endpoint could disable setting +of ECT codepoints if Initial packets with ECT codepoints set are deemed lost. I think that it is going to need to be all. But that leads to the question: do you let the handshake time out? Do you interleave ECT-marked and unmarked packets? Or do you start with ECT and switch the markings off after a few tries (and how many tries)? Also, this needs to be all marked packets sent on a given path. It is not just Initial packets, but also Handshake or 0-RTT and maybe those with short headers after a migration. > If verification fails, then the endpoint ceases setting ECT codepoints in subsequent IP packets with the expectation that either the network path or the peer does not support ECN. -If an endpoint sets ECT codepoints on outgoing IP packets and encounters a -retransmission timeout due to the absence of acknowledgments from the peer (see -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or if an endpoint has reason to believe that an element on -the network path might be corrupting ECN codepoints, the endpoint MAY cease -setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets. Doing so allows the connection to -be resilient to network elements that corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header or -drop packets with ECT or CE codepoints in the IP header. +If an ECT codepoint set is not dropped or corrupted by a network device, then a This paragraph doesn't really seem to say anything now. You have deleted the timeout thing. So it's not clear how you decide that a path *doesn't* support ECN now. The point of having a timeout is to detect a black hole. One nice thing about QUIC is that the idle timeout can be longer than any ECN validation timeout, so - at the risk of suggesting a design - maybe we could recommend that endpoints send the first packets it sends on any path marked, then they might stop marking until ECN support is confirmed. We don't need to set a fixed rule, but it probably makes sense to recommend something. The first N packets (where N of 10 produces pretty high confidence) or one round trip (which will be estimated based on the previous path, but that is OK) might work. If you don't get a positive result, which might happen if the first few packets are lost for other reasons, we'll disable ECN more than is ideal, but we can allow the test to be retried. (Maybe you could add this above the bullet list above, where I can't comment: "A path is verified if ECT markings are either forwarded without change or the network changes the marking to Congestion Experience (ECN-CE)." ) > If verification fails, then the endpoint ceases setting ECT codepoints in subsequent IP packets with the expectation that either the network path or the peer does not support ECN. -If an endpoint sets ECT codepoints on outgoing IP packets and encounters a -retransmission timeout due to the absence of acknowledgments from the peer (see -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or if an endpoint has reason to believe that an element on -the network path might be corrupting ECN codepoints, the endpoint MAY cease -setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets. Doing so allows the connection to -be resilient to network elements that corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header or -drop packets with ECT or CE codepoints in the IP header. +If an ECT codepoint set is not dropped or corrupted by a network device, then a +received packet contains either the codepoint sent by the peer or the Congestion +Experienced (CE) codepoint set by a network device that is experiencing +congestion. + +Upon successful verification, an endpoint continues to set ECT codepoints in +subsequent packets with the expectation that the path is ECN-capable. This is not a permanent condition. If only one packet was marked, you might consider the path ECN-capable based on an acknowledgement of that packet. However, that could be the result of random corruption. I think that we can just say "until validation of ECN counts fails". So we have the following algorithm: For each path: 0. set ECN state to "testing" 1. after N packets or M round trips, set ECN state to "unknown" 2. on every ACK, check ECN counts 3. if ECN validation fails set ECN state to "failed". 4. if ECN validation passes and ECN state is "uncertain", set it to "capable". 5. when sending packets, mark with ECT(0) if state is "testing" or "capable" (I know that this is unchanged text, but I just realized that we could be clearer.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2752#pullrequestreview-240766617 ----==_mimepart_5ce587c8a771a_5b323ff8a82cd964128984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -experiencing congestion.
+It is possible for faulty network devices on path to corrupt or erroneously drop
+all IP packets with ECN Capable Transport (ECT) codepoints set.  To provide
+robust connectivity in the presence of such devices, each endpoint independently
+verifies and enables use of ECN.  Even if not setting ECT codepoints on packets
+it transmits, the endpoint SHOULD provide feedback about ECN markings received
+if they are accessible.
+
+To verify both that a path supports ECN and that the peer can provide ECN
+feedback, an endpoint initially sets the ECT(0) codepoint in the IP header of
+all outgoing packets {{!RFC8311}}.
+
+If all packets with ECT codepoints are dropped by a network device, endpoints
+can detect loss of the packets and MAY cease setting ECT codepoints in
+subsequent packets.  As one concrete strategy, an endpoint could disable setting
+of ECT codepoints if Initial packets with ECT codepoints set are deemed lost.

I think that it is going to need to be all. But that leads to the question: do you let the handshake time out? Do you interleave ECT-marked and unmarked packets? Or do you start with ECT and switch the markings off after a few tries (and how many tries)?

Also, this needs to be all marked packets sent on a given path. It is not just Initial packets, but also Handshake or 0-RTT and maybe those with short headers after a migration.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  If verification fails, then the endpoint ceases setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer does not support ECN.
 
-If an endpoint sets ECT codepoints on outgoing IP packets and encounters a
-retransmission timeout due to the absence of acknowledgments from the peer (see
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or if an endpoint has reason to believe that an element on
-the network path might be corrupting ECN codepoints, the endpoint MAY cease
-setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets.  Doing so allows the connection to
-be resilient to network elements that corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header or
-drop packets with ECT or CE codepoints in the IP header.
+If an ECT codepoint set is not dropped or corrupted by a network device, then a

This paragraph doesn't really seem to say anything now. You have deleted the timeout thing. So it's not clear how you decide that a path doesn't support ECN now.

The point of having a timeout is to detect a black hole. One nice thing about QUIC is that the idle timeout can be longer than any ECN validation timeout, so - at the risk of suggesting a design - maybe we could recommend that endpoints send the first packets it sends on any path marked, then they might stop marking until ECN support is confirmed. We don't need to set a fixed rule, but it probably makes sense to recommend something. The first N packets (where N of 10 produces pretty high confidence) or one round trip (which will be estimated based on the previous path, but that is OK) might work. If you don't get a positive result, which might happen if the first few packets are lost for other reasons, we'll disable ECN more than is ideal, but we can allow the test to be retried.

(Maybe you could add this above the bullet list above, where I can't comment:
"A path is verified if ECT markings are either forwarded without change or the network changes the marking to Congestion Experience (ECN-CE)."
)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  If verification fails, then the endpoint ceases setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer does not support ECN.
 
-If an endpoint sets ECT codepoints on outgoing IP packets and encounters a
-retransmission timeout due to the absence of acknowledgments from the peer (see
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or if an endpoint has reason to believe that an element on
-the network path might be corrupting ECN codepoints, the endpoint MAY cease
-setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets.  Doing so allows the connection to
-be resilient to network elements that corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header or
-drop packets with ECT or CE codepoints in the IP header.
+If an ECT codepoint set is not dropped or corrupted by a network device, then a
+received packet contains either the codepoint sent by the peer or the Congestion
+Experienced (CE) codepoint set by a network device that is experiencing
+congestion.
+
+Upon successful verification, an endpoint continues to set ECT codepoints in
+subsequent packets with the expectation that the path is ECN-capable.

This is not a permanent condition. If only one packet was marked, you might consider the path ECN-capable based on an acknowledgement of that packet. However, that could be the result of random corruption.

I think that we can just say "until validation of ECN counts fails". So we have the following algorithm:

For each path:

  1. set ECN state to "testing"
  2. after N packets or M round trips, set ECN state to "unknown"
  3. on every ACK, check ECN counts
  4. if ECN validation fails set ECN state to "failed".
  5. if ECN validation passes and ECN state is "uncertain", set it to "capable".
  6. when sending packets, mark with ECT(0) if state is "testing" or "capable"

(I know that this is unchanged text, but I just realized that we could be clearer.)

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Putting this discussion into a concrete algorithm:

-Keep an in-flight high watermark, InFlightHigh, that's reset on each CWND change.
-When considering growing the CWND, only let it go as large as InFlightHigh*2.
-Justification for the "*2": it allows base-2 exponential growth, which is the fastest growth we ever want.

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Possible expiration events: persistent congestion, ssthresh changes, app idle.

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----==_mimepart_5ce5c99eece4d_23653fc86f0cd95c459747-- From nobody Wed May 22 15:33:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0444A12010E for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 15:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jc32z_8EOqaQ for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1704F1200FB for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 15:33:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558564418; bh=P/2Xyimr0kz0SE2bT/162hSmirm9IeSRbHTxlqlU/tg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xZf2zKS6el9LyUpAHKxwLN4j3NDowI4yKpHsxvDPTF60ulSnMGKZoOGOFTnQemPbz tFwFcx5t0e3KxL85oASytDbZNmKw01Tn7brjhcgZRinjXt/FU0vAVV4QaMYVX1/acw zA8vKaRiL3xGxP/TJ0kWSqwC0q6irt9Y5DyIAb6M= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow longer CIDs (#2749) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce5ce4219de2_63353f9206ccd968484293"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 22:33:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce5ce4219de2_63353f9206ccd968484293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @dtikhonov in v2, we might allow 255B CIDs. So to send a proper VN packet in response to v2 we need to handle that entire CID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2749#issuecomment-494998912 ----==_mimepart_5ce5ce4219de2_63353f9206ccd968484293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov in v2, we might allow 255B CIDs. So to send a proper VN packet in response to v2 we need to handle that entire CID.

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@mirjak pacing may be implemented and controlled outside of the transport. I have two new concerns about text around bursting packets on network:

  1. Many CDNs and edge deployments will tweak IW to be a higher value. In Windows TCP we allow config of up to 64 MSS. So if the network admin knows what they are doing and can swallow bursts then we shouldn't discourage the practice.
  2. UDP segmentation offload is reality now and for high throughput flows using hardware offload to reduce CPU will mean larger bursts trading off against pacing. We shouldn't preclude this either.

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Currently, the text says:

The default value is 0. However, this value SHOULD be set to a non-zero value by servers.

I think we should change the default to unlimited or to some sensible number, and also introduce a minimum permitted number.

Prioritization is not something a client can enforce, therefore servers that prefer to ignore or mishandle placeholders can just ignore / mishandle them, as well as other information for prioritization (e.g. weights and dependencies).

To rephrase, communicating the capability of handling just one of the features of prioritization has marginal benefit compared to the complexity it introduces to the client side (e.g., the need to use different prioritization approach depending on if the server supports placeholders).

Or, if it is the case that we do not expect browsers to no longer use placeholders but are keeping it for proxies, we should remove "SHOULD", because that is a minor use case that has not seen actual use in HTTP/2.

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----==_mimepart_5ce618e245710_68ae3ff0298cd96840405-- From nobody Wed May 22 22:58:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B64120096 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 22:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B0uYWLWT0F41 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 22:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BEAA120086 for ; Wed, 22 May 2019 22:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 22:58:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558591084; bh=YI1k6QPANMFcXaH2D1Xx4ZoLwtOdgl9hK1xeZlOboM0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QPDHrf9T+7/1pOHXtPtuG428djdIzbJ5d7su6qaHmp/uO9lqllsiRHaS3FfRu5bmz 2qFOxbR3sfMhOFk5gqvcclG4yvH0AEtz4Ji6BHj5tGjlIdlu9OMq0SGYhXgb9MZYXx UELEVo43/Om6yJoZl51EYOsfzr4Kt1NoMvsLBw10= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lessen the divergence from the HTTP/2 prioritization scheme by requiring all PRIORITY frames to be sent on the control stream (#2754) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce6366c77623_48973f97d82cd968467613"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 05:58:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce6366c77623_48973f97d82cd968467613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the additional complexity of the HTTP/3 prioritization scheme, compared to HTTP/2, is that PRIORITY frames might arrive out-of-order, between the control stream and the request streams. Our previous perception has been that it's worth the complexity, but I am becoming doubtful if it's necessary. IIUC, the need for sending a PRIORITY frame on the request stream is to handle the rare-case (like 1%) where a packet carrying the control frame is being lost. But if we are to require a server to assign the most deferred priority (i.e. weight=0) to a request for which the PRIORITY frame is yet to be received, there would be a guarantee that the performance would not be worse compared to HTTP/2 over TCP even when packet loss is involved, as @pmeenan points out in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2502#issuecomment-491108296. To rephrase, sending PRIORITY frames on request streams is an "optimization" for a rare case instead of it being a requirement to achieve comparable or better performance to HTTP/2. Therefore, I am suggesting to stop sending PRIORITY frames on the request stream. The benefit of stopping that is that then we can have the guarantee that all the PRIORITY frames would be received by the server in the order they were sent by the client. Then, thanks to the in-order delivery guarantee, I think we can revive the "exclusive" bit , revert the introduction of the "placeholders" concept in place of idle streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2754 ----==_mimepart_5ce6366c77623_48973f97d82cd968467613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One of the additional complexity of the HTTP/3 prioritization scheme, = compared to HTTP/2, is that PRIORITY frames might arrive out-of-order, be= tween the control stream and the request streams.

Our previous perception has been that it's worth the complexity, but I= am becoming doubtful if it's necessary.

IIUC, the need for sending a PRIORITY frame on the request stream is t= o handle the rare-case (like 1%) where a packet carrying the control fram= e is being lost. But if we are to require a server to assign the most def= erred priority (i.e. weight=3D0) to a request for which the PRIORITY fram= e is yet to be received, there would be a guarantee that the performance = would not be worse compared to HTTP/2 over TCP even when packet loss is i= nvolved, as @pmeenan points out in #2502 (comment)<= /a>.

To rephrase, sending PRIORITY frames on request streams is an "optimiz= ation" for a rare case instead of it being a requirement to achieve compa= rable or better performance to HTTP/2.

Therefore, I am suggesting to stop sending PRIORITY frames on the requ= est stream. The benefit of stopping that is that then we can have the gua= rantee that all the PRIORITY frames would be received by the server in th= e order they were sent by the client.

Then, thanks to the in-order delivery guarantee, I think we can revive= the "exclusive" bit , revert the introduction of the "placeholders" conc= ept in place of idle streams.

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I just lost a morr elegant reply so this might sound curt.

The proposal seems to make tree entry operations more deterministic. However, tree management like pruning and shuffling based on stream closure seems non-determinisitc. H2 has problems in this regard already.

Some H3 implementation experience is already bringing to light designs that have two world views of stream state: one for QUIC transport and one for H3.

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I'll attempt to summarize the issue: HTTP/2 priorities are different, but not better, and this creates implementation work and technical debt?

Previous issue introducing placeholders: #441

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The proposal seems to make tree entry operations more deterministic. However, tree management like pruning and shuffling based on stream closure seems non-determinisitc. H2 has problems in this regard already.

Yeah. I think we share the view that the approach proposed will have the same pros and cons that the prioritization scheme of H2 has. I think that's a good thing, because it helps people use the same approach when using the prioritization scheme.

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I'll attempt to summarize the issue: HTTP/2 priorities are different, but not better, and this creates implementation work and technical debt?

I disagree with the view. Our task is to port HTTP/2 semantics to HTTP/3. This is how you can do it, with less divergence than we have in the draft now.

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----==_mimepart_5ce64d95f90_4d133f8fb8acd96054569b-- From nobody Thu May 23 00:41:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2290112008A for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 00:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bOKwO3bdsyxa for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 00:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A94F9120019 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 00:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 00:41:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558597293; bh=a1cSjshPvAO3bNvGB9OOk/9l3bFkis8gpO/vmGS3AKk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ha/Ozame14XbpBiZ+wcBGb06nUr6Il0Cg4eOC6lhvW1U4jII1wrnE+GGXt3uDmMXf Bcmkr264dRjurXPL7y7O5LX+9pkHZlni/oJxvpSgiPZwKti2ddMAVdKUTVk+7kP7nK 8l9uVB2ImKgYthL1ipOXpkjjbuorwtfcOs6u2GnA= From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 with strict priorities (#2700) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce64ead80535_66363f85302cd9641036c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 07:41:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce64ead80535_66363f85302cd9641036c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to come back to my comment from before: > It would also allow resolving #2690 in the same way as proposed in #2723 : just make priority 0, no weight the default for new nodes! This is not entirely correct sadly... Main example is Safari/Edge behaviour: all nodes dependent on the root, setting explicit weights (but no priorities!). If un-prioritized/default nodes are added with priority 0 + weight 0, they would share the bandwidth 50/50 with the weighted nodes, making this default even worse than the HTTP/2 of adding the nodes with weight 16... Potential solution is to add them with priority=0,weight=1, but then they will still get some part of the bandwidth (how much depends on the weights of other things) and we are again back to round-robin (which we don't want, we want FIFO in the default case). So, other solutions: - Nodes without priorities and without weights (default): priority=0, weight=0. Nodes without priorities but WITH weights (explicit behaviour): priority=1,weight=incoming - Special priority level -1 ("implicit orphan placeholder") - Explicit orphan placeholder (#2690) (BUT then we can't implement this setup without any placeholders at all, which is possible at the moment) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2700#issuecomment-495104771 ----==_mimepart_5ce64ead80535_66363f85302cd9641036c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just to come back to my comment from before:

It would also allow resolving #2690 in the same way as proposed in #2723 : just make priority 0, no weight the default for new nodes!

This is not entirely correct sadly...
Main example is Safari/Edge behaviour: all nodes dependent on the root, setting explicit weights (but no priorities!).

If un-prioritized/default nodes are added with priority 0 + weight 0, they would share the bandwidth 50/50 with the weighted nodes, making this default even worse than the HTTP/2 of adding the nodes with weight 16...

Potential solution is to add them with priority=0,weight=1, but then they will still get some part of the bandwidth (how much depends on the weights of other things) and we are again back to round-robin (which we don't want, we want FIFO in the default case).

So, other solutions:

  • Nodes without priorities and without weights (default): priority=0, weight=0. Nodes without priorities but WITH weights (explicit behaviour): priority=1,weight=incoming
  • Special priority level -1 ("implicit orphan placeholder")
  • Explicit orphan placeholder (#2690) (BUT then we can't implement this setup without any placeholders at all, which is possible at the moment)

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----==_mimepart_5ce64ead80535_66363f85302cd9641036c7-- From nobody Thu May 23 01:43:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC071201B8 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 01:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id anIue4HKL9DP for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 01:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CC821201D9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 01:42:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3GaRFeq7hrtuoyuDymrDOGs1Jos=; b=jR5my+lxbjrdjPAp JOq/VypY0jzo3FdvRcCw8U5rFEySoy+Oyksq4L9T7h2aoMlz34HQX8xMvAW83S0x FaRZ4BLqvJW9XU7uS8toNx8Ql09mNWn5CiVwC0zQRnbE4ZoA3xI83YzwBbMqOMiC 4DMmfSeu1yQ+sRbL7e3+Z84bsIk= Received: by filter1588p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1588p1mdw1-5110-5CE65D10-10 2019-05-23 08:42:56.310514731 +0000 UTC m=+205023.768629859 Received: from github-lowworker-cb75ac4.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.8]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id M_xrzZM-RK6UoEQkmdyW9w for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 08:42:56.304 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-cb75ac4.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBA1C20D13 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 01:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 08:42:56 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Embed QUIC version in expansion (#2170) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce65d103c2b9_12b33fbd12ccd96882459e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0TvFGkDOhjhEYyzP4q01yhANmC56uJtA0pLF 3ao3BdRlSpUUYMqKNgGbb0LgYiYvvwBLAadUOjiG0GUGmbdlrpsB73N8sf2+N1QPTWIqIICadSc9bx vg8h6U9mpqLxckJSdYtqFRjwR+uUAk21uhF5pnNJY8QyVjgtxnKJ0i51mQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 08:43:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce65d103c2b9_12b33fbd12ccd96882459e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that would be advisable. We should keep this as close to TLS practice as possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2170#issuecomment-495124183 ----==_mimepart_5ce65d103c2b9_12b33fbd12ccd96882459e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that would be advisable. We should keep this as close to TLS practice as possible.

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After talking to a few folks, I'm now leaning towards the following solution:

Update NEW_CONN_ID frame to have two frame types (or we can add a new, separate frame) where the second frame type indicates the presence of an additional field: RetireSequenceNumber (we can bike shed the name). This new field indicates the sequence number of a CID that is being replaced by this new CID (which has a new sequence number too).

The sender sends this frame for any/all outstanding, non-retired CIDs that is needs to replace. The receiver is expected to quickly, if not immediately respond with a RETIRE_CONN_ID for all the CIDs that the sender is replacing. Once the NEW_CONN_ID frame is ACKed the sender may drop all the retired CIDs from it's routing table after some time (3 RTT?) even if the peer hasn't retired them; OR it can send a HTTP goaway.

One note on the CID flow control: Even if the maximum number of CIDs have been given to the peer, an endpoint is allowed to retire one or all of them with this NEW_CONN_ID frame, and the peer is expected to accept these new CIDs; since they are replacing the old ones.

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  HTTP_WRONG_STREAM_COUNT. These streams MUST NOT be closed. Closure of either
 unidirectional stream type MUST be treated as a connection error of type
 HTTP_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
 
+An endpoint MAY avoid creating its own encoder stream if the maximum size of
+the dynamic table permitted by the peer is zero.
+
+An endpoint MAY avoid creating its own decoder stream if the maximum size of
+its own dynamic table is zero.
+
+An endpoint MUST allow its peer to create both encoder and decoder streams

However, the server still needs to keep giving credit as streams close until those three are opened at least.

There's a difference between "must give >= 3 initial uni credits" and "must always have enough credit to open the control+qpack streams". Do we have consensus on what the requirement should be? I'm inclined to say it's the former. Don't burn your credits on grease/push/extensions if you're going to need the other streams.

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This seems sensible. Why not always specify RetireSequenceNumber?

This is nice because it further incentivizes peers to provide them in order, since they're retired in order.

If we wanted, this would make enforcing the active connection ID limits trivial(@marten-seemann ), because a receiver of NEW_CONNECTION_ID would compare the incoming ID to the RetireSequenceNumber and if the gap is larger than active_connection_id_limit, close the connection.

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----==_mimepart_5ce662124f3bb_35d3fdb074cd96c6396fa-- From nobody Thu May 23 02:11:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB72C120156 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfseSDI4J78V for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7428120019 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 02:10:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558602657; bh=gAWfAlUu8BEynWPXuJPg7lw9Z0FYfc5PUn3P4npppNc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PlSlfMqigTW3Mwll547MK9SVvQPE5TCaqjN0hKYMlC2W1vIZJkub9Xuqvls8g0cbH IhTsKBzoG/BFRHMYwx875n1A64//F0hugEjx40gksaisnjPrb6gWkjr/pY7gTcXbCQ HDrUuLjN+I4u9qwS9a9M9ZCVIthH4XL+SQZ0nPSI= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce663a1bcb9d_1b423fbddd2cd960996484"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 09:11:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce663a1bcb9d_1b423fbddd2cd960996484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the ACK optimisation should be avoided. A CID is retired when it is retired, not before. This also allows peers to opt in to their own schedule. They might have a complex distributed pipeline that is not synced with ACK logic. It is the senders headache since it is trying to force its own optimisation onto the peer. While I can see the overall idea, I'm a bit concerned about race conditions here. If you retire 5 CID's the might not all take effect immediately so when the first one is retired, the next available CID is used even if it is scheduled to retire. Forcing the peer to sync on this requires processing multiple frames concurrently assuming they all land in the same packet for a start. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-495134695 ----==_mimepart_5ce663a1bcb9d_1b423fbddd2cd960996484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the ACK optimisation should be avoided. A CID is retired when it is retired, not before. This also allows peers to opt in to their own schedule. They might have a complex distributed pipeline that is not synced with ACK logic. It is the senders headache since it is trying to force its own optimisation onto the peer.

While I can see the overall idea, I'm a bit concerned about race conditions here. If you retire 5 CID's the might not all take effect immediately so when the first one is retired, the next available CID is used even if it is scheduled to retire. Forcing the peer to sync on this requires processing multiple frames concurrently assuming they all land in the same packet for a start.

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Discussed in London, we'd like to avoid specifying this in pseudocode and the exact math, as it may be implementation dependent, but instead focus on improving the existing text.

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My primary goal of this is to force the peer to change. I'm OK if it takes a little time, but I need them to change. If they don't I will kill the connection. If we don't have any enforcement, then peers have no reason not to just ignore this and effectively nullifies the feature.

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You can get around the race condition by assigning an epoch to CIDs and retire an entire epoch at once. Obviously you'd need to prime with new CID's a new epoch first, but you can do that in the same frame as the one retiring an epoch. This might also work better on multi-path going forward.

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From London: Platform delays SHOULD be included in RTT, but ack_delay should only include intentionally introduced delays, not platform delays.

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----==_mimepart_5ce664ffab054_309f3fdb074cd96c116872b-- From nobody Thu May 23 02:17:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FFD12017D for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:17:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ey79qULyadNf for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9701B120175 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 02:17:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558603046; bh=NYOb16ybOR9EdaajDG3RyyakrQn7Ec93fNUWuZisEog=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WA+Ai6EM2kbQVF5kgLjkwKteFn+pghLP87vRQNXX1PXxpizjtgUjToHWhDQEnhVP+ uTHEW/2HDode2q/0uLdepUK6Q+ycEsHQqmIMPTYC1h4xKuFk8U+sSCBIDG+fbhZaES 9x7Iskdr12Dkey7fFidbfs0Y/7s4dQu1tyrukM6Q= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce6652685401_51ed3ff2652cd96c5738ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 09:17:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce6652685401_51ed3ff2652cd96c5738ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for writing this up, @nibanks! I think this is going in a good direction. Ideally, RetireSequenceNumber would either mean "SHOULD retire as soon as possible" or "MUST retire", we can debate that as necessary. To @ianswett's comment, there still needs to be a way to increase the number of CIDs that are active (especially at the beginning of a connection), but I think having the field always be present would be fine. I think the key idea here is that, by asking the other side to retire the CIDs, we can manage to avoid any ACK-tracking or other draining scheme. Instead, we request the peer to use the existing mechanism to remove the old CIDs and all of the logic currently in place for that just works for this too. Instead of asking the sender to track the ACK for NEW_CONN_ID, I'd rather have it just wait for the CID to be retired, and if it becomes untenable to do that, it can close the connection (either with no error, or we can define an error code saying "you didn't retire, please connect again"). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-495136925 ----==_mimepart_5ce6652685401_51ed3ff2652cd96c5738ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for writing this up, @nibanks! I think this is going in a good direction.

Ideally, RetireSequenceNumber would either mean "SHOULD retire as soon as possible" or "MUST retire", we can debate that as necessary.

To @ianswett's comment, there still needs to be a way to increase the number of CIDs that are active (especially at the beginning of a connection), but I think having the field always be present would be fine.

I think the key idea here is that, by asking the other side to retire the CIDs, we can manage to avoid any ACK-tracking or other draining scheme. Instead, we request the peer to use the existing mechanism to remove the old CIDs and all of the logic currently in place for that just works for this too.

Instead of asking the sender to track the ACK for NEW_CONN_ID, I'd rather have it just wait for the CID to be retired, and if it becomes untenable to do that, it can close the connection (either with no error, or we can define an error code saying "you didn't retire, please connect again").

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My primary goal of this is to force the peer to change.

Yes, I think that is fine. It is just hard to place a hard limit on that.

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I believe this is now fixed by other PRs. @siyengar can you confirm?

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This is a possibility, presuming that we take #2690. We= needed PRIORITY on the request stream so that streams opening before the= PRIORITY frame arrives don't erroneously starve other resources until th= e PRIORITY frame arrives. #2690 plus reverting initial pri= ority would allow bringing back exclusive dependencies; placeholders were= separately discussed with HTTPbis as an enhancement to incorporate into = HTTP/3, so I think a decision to revert that would be handled separately.=

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The recommended value was 16 a few draft versions ago. There should be some GitHub artefact justifying changing it to 0.

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Discussed in London; best to bring this up at a full IETF meeting.

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Settings can only be increased by the SETTINGS frame, if the peer's behavior is bounded by (and not just informed by) the value. The default therefore needs to be the lowest possible value. I presume that it was changed when we created default setting values.

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Yes, that line last changed in #2038.

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Discussed with Ian in London: I'm okay with just using the PATH_CHALLENGE/PATH_RESPONSE RTT as the initial RTT.

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----==_mimepart_5ce66960727e5_232d3f9e494cd96c81741e-- From nobody Thu May 23 02:36:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5DA1200E9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H6QXxvYQob0v for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB3A512008B for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 02:36:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558604206; bh=74W3E/ED7Ym50tUw28sXJXpAC3XXpMMlDV5KKncpQrQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H5gYkk4jgnmH5euuxUvMQL02MyDYdegz6+Q5T2F8Bxl0vTgJinJGStgxNlejcEH+E H4q0S+XVrJdYHyHQx2oxskWB/ZhszD2r6ApucUgKUJmlY7a1mql5Mu7e+lvP9HaQZa +GPE4FRfXMzhiJEEnUdh10WFRvd9xOmWBI+jpFNQ= From: Rui Paulo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] New paths may seed initial_rtt (#2687) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce669adec922_1a803fc2dc2cd95c304989"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rpaulo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 09:36:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce669adec922_1a803fc2dc2cd95c304989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd prefer that it's NOT forbidden. I'm fine with waiting for experimentation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2687#issuecomment-495144181 ----==_mimepart_5ce669adec922_1a803fc2dc2cd95c304989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd prefer that it's NOT forbidden. I'm fine with waiting for experimentation.

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Thanks @rpaulo can you review the outstanding PR?

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Closed by #2330, I think, I just had the wrong issue tagged there.

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Closed #2258.

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Why does the replacement need to be coupled to the retirement request? Why not say "please retire all with seqno lower (or equal to) X", then provide a new connection ID?

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@MikeBishop Yes. The simplification is based on #2690. I also agree that we can discuss about placeholders separately.

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----==_mimepart_5ce66c6f9d871_436c3ff0298cd9687935ad-- From nobody Thu May 23 02:52:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEABB12017A for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d4PUUwS6JzfA for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 254ED1200E9 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 02:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 02:52:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558605151; bh=2AsQ7Dgy6F0pwC8N81biqiZUTS+g4Js48jlhqY/LOpc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T4I64mdQrih6abEfRzxNcbOrjClNH48aGzuGTCZZNsqVJxD7wSFk/2c0WR7a4N+zw z9AZTEahWP4YNolThu5mBnWDDXWzQZPYolit+N7yVgqlotZNYP4wBEiQFyHjwpNoRM VRT3A9VUyKQc1Rj2eaUs/B3JpKOUi16TPGCmx9Do= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce66d5ee7267_2e23fbddd2cd9605958d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 09:52:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce66d5ee7267_2e23fbddd2cd9605958d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I presume you mean @MikeBishop's proposal (https://mikebishop.github.io/please-retire/draft-bishop-quic-please-retire.html). I think that can be considered as a simplification to the RETIRE_CONN_ID proposal, because "retire all with seqno lower than X" frame removes the need to retain per-CID sequence numbers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-495150022 ----==_mimepart_5ce66d5ee7267_2e23fbddd2cd9605958d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson I presume you mean @MikeBishop's proposal (https://mikebishop.github.io/please-retire/draft-bishop-quic-please-retire.html).

I think that can be considered as a simplification to the RETIRE_CONN_ID proposal, because "retire all with seqno lower than X" frame removes the need to retain per-CID sequence numbers.

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@martinthomson my main problem with that design is the CID flow control. If an endpoint has currently maxed out the peers max number of CIDs, and it wants to replace them all, what then? If you don't have a single frame to both retire and replace, then it looks like we have a problem. You obviously can't just retire all outstanding CIDs. Then they have no CIDs to use. You also can't just give them more CIDs first, because the limit has been reached, so they will ignore the new ones.

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Why does the replacement need to be coupled to the retirement request? Why not say "please retire all with seqno lower (or equal to) X", then provide a new connection ID?

This is one way to implement the epoch I was referring to in the above.

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ECN-capable is not a constant condition, but we don't have any algorithm that governs it.

I don't think that we can just say "mark until validation of ECN counts fails". Maybe the following algorithm is OK:

When starting a new path:

  1. set ECN state to "testing"
  2. after N packets or M round trips, set ECN state to "unknown"
  3. on every ACK, check ECN counts
  4. if ECN validation fails set ECN state to "failed".
  5. if ECN validation passes and ECN state is "uncertain", set it to "capable".
  6. when sending packets, mark with ECT(0) if state is "testing" or "capable"

(I know that this is unchanged text, but I just realized that we could be clearer.)

Gorry pointed out that we can add an extra thing: if a path is marked as "failed", you MAY choose to occasionally switch back to "testing".

Mirja pointed out that we need to deal with bleaching more than we need to worry about black holes. We should negotiate that.

Originally posted by @martinthomson in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2752/files

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  If verification fails, then the endpoint ceases setting ECT codepoints in
 subsequent IP packets with the expectation that either the network path or the
 peer does not support ECN.
 
-If an endpoint sets ECT codepoints on outgoing IP packets and encounters a
-retransmission timeout due to the absence of acknowledgments from the peer (see
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or if an endpoint has reason to believe that an element on
-the network path might be corrupting ECN codepoints, the endpoint MAY cease
-setting ECT codepoints in subsequent packets.  Doing so allows the connection to
-be resilient to network elements that corrupt ECN codepoints in the IP header or
-drop packets with ECT or CE codepoints in the IP header.
+If an ECT codepoint set is not dropped or corrupted by a network device, then a

"set" doesn't mean anything to me regarding this 2-bit code point, is this a non-zero codepoint? (i.e. not not-ECT)

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@nibanks you can have two epochs: old and new each with a limit. This allows you to replenish CID's in new epoch before retiring the old.

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@martinthomson I think I'd prefer to have a "please retire" come with a replacement since otherwise there's not any guarantee that they'll be replaced. Having them in the same frame also makes it easy to replace ones without depending on ordering between frames of a "retire" and then "add new one" if you're already at the limit (as @nibanks said).

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Agreement from London was to move as much as possible to transport, and cite transport when possible.

Martin suggested almost all of section 4 can be moved: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-20#section-4

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Thinking about this, another solution would be to continue to send a *blocked frame, while in the blocked state. Even if the peer acknowledged the first blocked frame, if you're still blocked, you send it again. Personally, for my implementation, this would be the easiest thing to implement.

I don't think the spec should make any requirements in this area, but I do think it should call this problem out and possibly make a recommendation.

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There is never any guarantee that the connection ID will be replaced. Coupling them just complicates the design.

The idea that you can provide replacements without blowing the limit is strange. You are still providing extra connection IDs.

For the case that @nibanks cares about, the low water mark is probably fine because you will want to send the retirement before filling up the active connection ID set. I think that it is enough to provide a retirement signal and then wait for the peer to retire old ones and replace them on a regular cadence. Worst case, that means that you have to wait a round trip; but that's not going to be a problem for the RSS scenario Nick described.

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----==_mimepart_5ce671fe77d62_75a63f82454cd96412896-- From nobody Thu May 23 03:20:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320E812002F for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 03:20:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LXTmt6xwFmkq for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 03:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDCB4120045 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 03:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 03:20:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558606834; bh=EOVORAe0iJFy8iPerDLeV0znfntKqmFe/RyNUp5CqAg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=v3ZbNO3zCGvXh+2nMbE+S7aN7wkWLbtydAkUTtacZ2qZHyYin/rd87P0akRP/CPPQ ZADmM7dqnd4nSJqkLFm1C+xP9IjP1AqjWwelufgKRXjyGtXjeg/MQINjn1k3pmz3Po HMg77VWBPrTwUUAYOak0ThswkCQbdM8odJiLXacA= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC Version Ossification (#2496) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce673f2af746_53fc3fa813ccd9682390a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 10:20:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce673f2af746_53fc3fa813ccd9682390a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying to summarize the set of version obfuscation proposals. I believe we have: 1) Natural versions. Just define a version 2, maybe 1bis, very quickly, and actually use version negotiation. 2) Server specific version aliases,as specified in #2573 3) Version based obfuscation and trial decryption, as proposed by David Benjamin and explained on this thread 4) Introduce a "QUIC Version" TLS extension, sent either in the clear or passed as an encrypted extension to the ESNI content. There are pros and cons to each of those: proposal | Pros | Cons --- | --- | --- Natural version | Very little code required | Still risk of ossification Server defined aliases | Robust prevention | Does not protect 1st packet; Requires caching code; May enable tracing Version based obfuscation | Robust prevention | Requires trial decryption TLS extension | Can be encrypted | Requires ESNI -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2496#issuecomment-495159944 ----==_mimepart_5ce673f2af746_53fc3fa813ccd9682390a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am trying to summarize the set of version obfuscation proposals. I believe we have:

  1. Natural versions. Just define a version 2, maybe 1bis, very quickly, and actually use version negotiation.

  2. Server specific version aliases,as specified in #2573

  3. Version based obfuscation and trial decryption, as proposed by David Benjamin and explained on this thread

  4. Introduce a "QUIC Version" TLS extension, sent either in the clear or passed as an encrypted extension to the ESNI content.

There are pros and cons to each of those:

proposal Pros Cons
Natural version Very little code required Still risk of ossification
Server defined aliases Robust prevention Does not protect 1st packet; Requires caching code; May enable tracing
Version based obfuscation Robust prevention Requires trial decryption
TLS extension Can be encrypted Requires ESNI

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Yeah. I think we share the view that the approach proposed will have the same pros and cons that the prioritization scheme of H2 has. I think that's a good thing, because it helps people use the same approach when using the prioritization scheme.

I have a nagging feeling, the QUIC streams can close in non-deterministic order from the remote peer perspective. This risks a H3 priority scheme that looks similar to H2 on paper but behaves quite differently. In the worst case this requires holding more state on the server in order to increase the chances that the client and server have similar global views.

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You're providing an extra ID and have the ability to retire at the same time, so you can easily avoid blowing the limit.

This might actually simplify my implementation, because I could store a fixed number of a CIDs in a ringbuffer of the size I specify instead of a hashmap.

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Thinking some more, I believe that David Benjamin's "version based" solution does not actually prevent ossification. The middle boxes will be programmed with the seeds of version 1. They will try decrypt with V1, and if the result is not "version = version 1" they will just say "this is not QUIC" or otherwise drop the packet.

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I also think the simplest solution to implement is the NEW_CONN_ID frame that replaces an existing CID.

@ianswett if the RetireSequenceNumber is always there, what do you set to it when adding a new CID that isn't actually replacing anything?

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----==_mimepart_5ce67cdcd6cb7_6c703fbbdeccd95c1458e7-- From nobody Thu May 23 04:00:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADED6120090 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EiCAd-uar8bt for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F56A120019 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558609221; bh=aiHOyatvYujDbaGrLl21suDeKr6ONCdgSkzfoGMS1ow=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nXMHhUNWjxWVTtI0BRl2U2ceJjrGrgvxZWyFTIbvVmkWcr4Ha4NhQsaDjcQk5ZQSw KHy08pBUh1HfI6dI1n+6u3lvZz6LHgwExjf9lI/k2OfuNSm8u/4P4Su/9KhzigYc07 oKNqfC1jElj/y2uieBvPjR6/B1XlX71bZP7dxUpU= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce67d454c54c_696c3fd88accd95c1169bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:00:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce67d454c54c_696c3fd88accd95c1169bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Set RetireSequenceNumber to 0? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-495171893 ----==_mimepart_5ce67d454c54c_696c3fd88accd95c1169bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Set RetireSequenceNumber to 0?

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----==_mimepart_5ce67d454c54c_696c3fd88accd95c1169bd-- From nobody Thu May 23 04:00:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D66120090 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jVA9uFx_P6rA for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D3DE120075 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 04:00:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558609254; bh=UmiCRsGyq3DC8p8+zot8UT45cVchh+EbQRgzNXvZKrg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zFQIO817OwiIlqpTOuFRkU5+qTm+7KQiuODXz5HI6Xm3JfIiw0Ef+QpzE4FSjBOkf a4wieiVzGex5+ltNLq53PzBOvMUchTiKJXy5r0Fva9QFdKpUCqfUZe6cqO6T9cigqA EDRXd/ZzmJzd0HZvOumXrdWZ7/BsAYurD9y4kHp8= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retire My Own CID (#2645) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce67d6653964_741d3fa813ccd96825916c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:00:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce67d6653964_741d3fa813ccd96825916c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that not the first CID exchanged during the handshake? We need to be able to replace that one. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-495172039 ----==_mimepart_5ce67d6653964_741d3fa813ccd96825916c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is that not the first CID exchanged during the handshake? We need to be able to replace that one.

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We could make the semantics: Retire CIDs under this number?

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@MikeBishop noted that if there are 0 placeholders, a client could do the pre-placeholder approach of creating a tiny hanging GET or long standing request and then hang requests off that. Which is awful.

Hopefully that doesn't happen, but given placeholders are somewhat of an accident, some unintended consequences seem possible.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About the QuicVersion TLS extension: I think that EKR had a proposal already. Basically, encode the proposed version number as a TLS option. Optionally, encode the supported options in the client message, ordered by preference, and the selected option in the server response. The client *could* send the option as a ClientHello extension, but that is not encrypted, so it does nothing t prevent ossification. But if the client sends the ESNI extension, then the TLS extension can be encrypted as part of the ESNI content, and so it is safe. There is a downside to encoding the version in a TLS extension: it is only readable if the Initial message can be parsed. Parsing requires understanding the format of the Initial message, and that requires understanding the version used for encoding the message. That probably means accepting ossification of the Initial format, which is close to "conceding defeat". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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About the QuicVersion TLS extension: I think that EKR had a proposal already. Basically, encode the proposed version number as a TLS option. Optionally, encode the supported options in the client message, ordered by preference, and the selected option in the server response.

The client could send the option as a ClientHello extension, but that is not encrypted, so it does nothing t prevent ossification. But if the client sends the ESNI extension, then the TLS extension can be encrypted as part of the ESNI content, and so it is safe.

There is a downside to encoding the version in a TLS extension: it is only readable if the Initial message can be parsed. Parsing requires understanding the format of the Initial message, and that requires understanding the version used for encoding the message. That probably means accepting ossification of the Initial format, which is close to "conceding defeat".

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TLS versioning assumes that all QUIC versions use TLS, which I'm not sure is a good idea.

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I'd suggest we define those to be the same format as client-initiated ones, and use a column in IANA registry for listing which party can be the initiator. This way, extensions get a uniform way of defining those streams.

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I also would suggest one more intro sentence could please some to say "When a path supports ECN, this enables ECN marking and uses ECN for a new path" - to effectively say that the validation is about how to detect and react to problems with a path that is not ECN capable.

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----==_mimepart_5ce69741675c7_20c03fcb9f4cd95c1121641-- From nobody Thu May 23 06:10:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005E2120048 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K5h0cU9ur4W6 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 06:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 546F9120019 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 06:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 06:10:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558617049; bh=s+CS7jcdSNYr3DWBeHbDkfALNprvx+Ql4uAFdDDS2NI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=e4edfM54R4/uMxWgZvL54WMDVrZ+lrV1RbhWQPvoSn9FAUwBYcQqw4nEF/4tWpuYd +Gq76VKESq/Wgca7U0RHFYzxJiGm14oHzwooxOdn8eMvsL/I/ZprByXaViNzAGE9wA OBGQ0iAXUxrWW9GjHYpW3ucZP/LnlIpbUTQxcTjI= From: Udip Pant Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Client handling of SERVER_BUSY error code needs to be specified (#2699) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce69bd9903d5_1ef83fe221ccd95c17395b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: udippant X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 13:10:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce69bd9903d5_1ef83fe221ccd95c17395b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on the text (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-5.2.2), my interpretation is that the server can respond with SERVER_BUSY (only) when it receives Initial packet from the client (i.e. during/pre handshake). So any client with implementation of happyeyeball-like race mechanism between QUIC and TCP should fallback to TCP. Post handshake, the server can either send GO_AWAY or stateless reset depending on the application protocol and circumstances, and client can try to re-establish QUIC connection. Since this issue is not HTTP3 specific, I agree with @LPardue that HTTP3 is probably not the right place. (Also, what else could client do in this case anyway?). As @ianswett mentioned above, clarifying this in the quic-transport spec would be helpful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-495211676 ----==_mimepart_5ce69bd9903d5_1ef83fe221ccd95c17395b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Based on the text (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-20#section-5.2.2), my interpretation is that the server can respond with SERVER_BUSY (only) when it receives Initial packet from the client (i.e. during/pre handshake). So any client with implementation of happyeyeball-like race mechanism between QUIC and TCP should fallback to TCP.

Post handshake, the server can either send GO_AWAY or stateless reset depending on the application protocol and circumstances, and client can try to re-establish QUIC connection.

Since this issue is not HTTP3 specific, I agree with @LPardue that HTTP3 is probably not the right place. (Also, what else could client do in this case anyway?). As @ianswett mentioned above, clarifying this in the quic-transport spec would be helpful.

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----==_mimepart_5ce69bd9903d5_1ef83fe221ccd95c17395b5-- From nobody Thu May 23 06:22:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C19B12004C for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 06:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4KuK8oO_ZdoW for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 06:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36DA8120026 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 06:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 06:22:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558617741; bh=RIsuC2V8bI9xpSmtQmwfJ+xBNJfJ+lDHf7d7B5+zHbc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X5V5bk+b9OBx8qQyTLcqxY8Yf1jiFc/8XwjBlOEHcXUFQ1l9HSx/cbFSbvzNUUeD9 dII275qSA+L9PRCdpunvU+SSFh5psgqO0b0vggHuKLioSp5myXvQ1tRlK3M0rL5/yK TLFufzqX8jf0JxMSgJ+KXL2HwkOTfHWcjeYTz2IM= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC Version Ossification (#2496) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce69e8ddd049_7aae3faa5dacd96499544c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 13:22:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce69e8ddd049_7aae3faa5dacd96499544c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What if the middle-box just replies with a Version Negotiation message to any message for which it does not understand the version field? This will defeat the "natural version" and "server based obfuscation" options. For example, in the server based obfuscation case, the client will immediately repeat the request with Version 1. The middle box will cause a delay penalty, but a fairly minimal one.And we removed the protection against version downgrade from the transport spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2496#issuecomment-495215793 ----==_mimepart_5ce69e8ddd049_7aae3faa5dacd96499544c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What if the middle-box just replies with a Version Negotiation message to any message for which it does not understand the version field? This will defeat the "natural version" and "server based obfuscation" options. For example, in the server based obfuscation case, the client will immediately repeat the request with Version 1. The middle box will cause a delay penalty, but a fairly minimal one.And we removed the protection against version downgrade from the transport spec.

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We cannot prevent that if the middelbox drops the initial packet. That is an unsolvable problem because the middle box can be a valid endpoint up to and excluding TLS cert validation. But I think I have argued earlier that we should quarantine version and retry packets to see of the something better shows up before taking action.

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And we removed the protection against version downgrade from the transport spec.

That would be an easy thing to re-add to the transport.

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Discussed in London; tentative conclusion was to close with no change (i.e., quicv2).

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Discussed and clarified in London.

  1. HTTP MUST set initial_max_uni_streams to at least 3
  2. HTTP does not have to keep granting more credit if the peer burns the stream credits on grease/push/extensions.
  3. Peers SHOULD create control, qpack encoder and decoder as their first 3 streams if they plan to use them, since there's no guarantee of ever getting more credit.

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draft-ietf-quic-tls currently mentions AEAD_AES_256_GCM, however there is no way to use that AEAD in TLS 1.3 - TLS_AES_256_CCM_SHA256 does not appear in the list of TLS cipher suites. If I understand this correctly, the presence of AEAD_AES_256_GCM in the document was an editorial oversight.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2756

Commit Summary

  • Remove AEAD_AES_256_GCM

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Merged #2756 into master.

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Thanks. This was extremely confusing: you meant CCM, but wrote GCM in tons of places.

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----==_mimepart_5ce6b3e589c12_162b3ff52bccd96c499419-- From nobody Thu May 23 07:56:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F6D120125 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ls5b3lusb5Bx for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ED44120114 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 07:55:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558623345; bh=ka3QRoio1cO8ZQemJvMUZfY6mXhSnTAdijinrkvPln8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gCiBbrOm8iD3FncCkPgd4gKPEe9SUo2k/uoDsAL0gxJQT+/zcUJWalKzsIXsNaw6x 5HgQl3MktsQV8bg/11pawEiVo0o9aKOM+hzC2vsP0j9l406zyos2Ld83jbj3Lts2Bf wA6EEiItLRgElDpK7KXzZk4Z1Xg7a2EMPWo/MVoM= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] H3 GOAWAY should be symmetric and cover bidi and uni streams (#2632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce6b471e480e_76ec3fcb9f4cd95c1112cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 14:56:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce6b471e480e_76ec3fcb9f4cd95c1112cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed in London; we should mimic whatever H2 does, and there's some uncertainty in the room about what a client-sent GOAWAY is intended to mean. H2 GOAWAY says: ``` Once sent, the sender will ignore frames sent on streams initiated by the receiver if the stream has an identifier higher than the included last stream identifier. Receivers of a GOAWAY frame MUST NOT open additional streams on the connection, although a new connection can be established for new streams. ``` So HTTP/2 does define it in terms of streams, and a server upon receipt of a GOAWAY frame MUST NOT open more streams, which would include push. The other side probably can't police you, however, because they can't reliably know that the opening of the stream wasn't already in flight; they'll just ignore it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-495254161 ----==_mimepart_5ce6b471e480e_76ec3fcb9f4cd95c1112cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Discussed in London; we should mimic whatever H2 does, and there's some uncertainty in the room about what a client-sent GOAWAY is intended to mean.

H2 GOAWAY says:

Once sent, the sender will ignore frames sent on streams initiated by
the receiver if the stream has an identifier higher than the included
last stream identifier.  Receivers of a GOAWAY frame MUST NOT open
additional streams on the connection, although a new connection can
be established for new streams.

So HTTP/2 does define it in terms of streams, and a server upon receipt of a GOAWAY frame MUST NOT open more streams, which would include push. The other side probably can't police you, however, because they can't reliably know that the opening of the stream wasn't already in flight; they'll just ignore it.

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This PR looks good to me. Thanks for making an encoding that we can deploy in parallel with older versions on the same server.

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"So any client with implementation of happyeyeball-like race mechanism between QUIC and TCP should fallback to TCP."
AFAICT this race mechanism isn't described anywhere in H3. Some implementations may choose to not always race and cache the server response per session and if H3 succeeds then continue doing just H3. IMO therefore we need additional text suggesting that the client stop retrying QUIC for a period or use exponential backoff and fallback to H2 when it receives SERVER_BUSY.

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----==_mimepart_5ce6c9d920a61_7f273fd9a00cd960114071a-- From nobody Thu May 23 10:33:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58101200EA for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O6ieFfUKnYw1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60445120099 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 10:33:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558632827; bh=NGBY87ujkUu/8Pj/vWiQGbDuPCooU+I0cYWHb7R5puQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WyDKy2X/X3egwd73H9lY78hGU7gV9rrRs8xWlvU4ci/GJBvOIp5mxZdpsd/yUVrny MxwJF/IGR0/t8WdMH/YL98cJmA6Tlmm7hIihPhsjR3KclvvVndNgzuU2aV0uDMELmE LSeuTOXbiaC5dqgpVQF9Sg0+jyEZ/Mik+KKlu890= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 Client handling of SERVER_BUSY error code needs to be specified (#2699) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce6d97b5d568_6c2d3fc6b44cd9606910e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 17:33:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce6d97b5d568_6c2d3fc6b44cd9606910e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still disagree. As Mark highlighted in the inteeim session, the collection of HTTP documents already has a lot of existing language around the problem of how a endpoints can react to lower layer errors. Recommending any specific behavior for H3 just complicates the overall narrative. Perhaps there is space for a more general description, like a BCP, in a separate document that applies to the HTTP semantic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2699#issuecomment-495313038 ----==_mimepart_5ce6d97b5d568_6c2d3fc6b44cd9606910e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Still disagree. As Mark highlighted in the inteeim session, the collection of HTTP documents already has a lot of existing language around the problem of how a endpoints can react to lower layer errors.

Recommending any specific behavior for H3 just complicates the overall narrative.

Perhaps there is space for a more general description, like a BCP, in a separate document that applies to the HTTP semantic.

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----==_mimepart_5ce6d97b5d568_6c2d3fc6b44cd9606910e0-- From nobody Thu May 23 23:23:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CA91200B7 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 23:23:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UEz8OWvc5SGF for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 23:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA33C12004E for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 23:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 23:22:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1558678978; bh=oAc7GAe/dFYUVpdq9QHT226lwMCpAPVGAPgd5XlUFfw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZaNXHmlHqamVHPBc2CYs2MuDt5kNkNzbYGy1fpV73jtDpQXb4DtW3toTi1AWbgWu4 aPpFpBCaMDIdRJxOXa3iWzZ1mCoFhEhEAtcBNgZVygH//uDW9gTZ/kAFoMWO7kGrM1 AMijp6NP8JGfdI14S73IMIsAS/AHMtDwia8XPr0Q= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] NUM_PLACEHOLDERS MUST NOT be zero (#2753) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ce78dc26d812_3de83fb0960cd95c7740b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 06:23:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ce78dc26d812_3de83fb0960cd95c7740b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe the alternative approach would be to: * Remove the settings parameter, or make it a purely advisory variable like MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE allowing the client to exceed the advertised maximum. * Recommend some sensible number of placeholders that a server is expected to retain (16 - the default value we had prior to merging #2038 - might make sense). These changes would essentially bring back what we observe in HTTP/2 - server that ignore placeholders would just ignore. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2753#issuecomment-495487631 ----==_mimepart_5ce78dc26d812_3de83fb0960cd95c7740b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Maybe the alternative approach would be to:

  • Remove the settings parameter, or make it a purely advisory variable like MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE allowing the client to exceed the advertised maximum.
  • Recommend some sensible number of placeholders that a server is expected to retain (16 - the default value we had prior to merging #2038 - might make sense).

These changes would essentially bring back what we observe in HTTP/2 - server that ignore placeholders would just ignore.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > These changes would essentially bring back what we observe in HTTP/2 - server that ignore placeholders would just ignore. Introduction of placeholders is the backward-compatible part of HTTP/3 prioritization changes: if the client does not use placeholders it can use HTTP/3 priorities without placeholders just as in HTTP/2. In other words, the clients can ignore placeholders as well. I agree that it seems that a server SHOULD provide some sensible value. My guess -- based on some of my mental models -- is that this number should be between N/2 and N, where N is the maximum number of parallel requests the server allows. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2753#issuecomment-495605186 ----==_mimepart_5ce7e4354908f_4f993fc45bccd968831886 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

These changes would essentially bring back what we observe in HTTP/2 - server that ignore placeholders would just ignore.

Introduction of placeholders is the backward-compatible part of HTTP/3 prioritization changes: if the client does not use placeholders it can use HTTP/3 priorities without placeholders just as in HTTP/2. In other words, the clients can ignore placeholders as well.

I agree that it seems that a server SHOULD provide some sensible value. My guess -- based on some of my mental models -- is that this number should be between N/2 and N, where N is the maximum number of parallel requests the server allows.

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My guess -- based on some of my mental models -- is that this number should be between N/2 and N, where N is the maximum number of parallel requests the server allows. FWIW the maximum we have been imposing is 16, we've been closing the connections that goes above that with an ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM error. I do not think that has caused interoperability issues. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2753#issuecomment-496076479 ----==_mimepart_5ceb6cc9b6c0c_29fd3ffab94cd968609756 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree that it seems that a server SHOULD provide some sensible value. My guess -- based on some of my mental models -- is that this number should be between N/2 and N, where N is the maximum number of parallel requests the server allows.

FWIW the maximum we have been imposing is 16, we've been closing the connections that goes above that with an ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM error. I do not think that has caused interoperability issues.

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I have a nagging feeling, the QUIC streams can close in non-deterministic order from the remote peer perspective. This risks a H3 priority scheme that looks similar to H2 on paper but behaves quite differently. In the worst case this requires holding more state on the server in order to increase the chances that the client and server have similar global views.

While I agree that the the streams are being closed in a different manner, it is my view that things would generally work better in HTTP/3, because closure of streams would be notified earlier to the client (due to having less HoLB). Earlier synchronization of states lead to less need for retaining information of closed streams.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_5ced09a8b46f_611d3f9662acd9644939a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak27vDYHEIEN1/gmQ44T0ekywjWdMjQiuyv3KU aCjk5+D5Qzjhs0imdSEbIVy9wkrivMnj4GIy1Nq9TvEGPuH5b7iwU0gLBWhkCRhHEeQuYsgzmEw+Qa Nv5eG1EXHflT2ACT/FJ/zbGmJJCo4FzvoykIh61JFMXYTwtyompiEkKsSUHhRvPlU3vWZHz7Ug3uJ1 k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 10:12:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ced09a8b46f_611d3f9662acd9644939a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would personally have preferred to include AES_128_CCM_8 in the QUIC spec to have parity with TLS 1.3, but I can live with the text from #2743 because that allows someone to write a one-page spec on how to use AES_128_CCM_8 in QUIC without risking interoperability issues. 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I would personally have preferred to include AES_128_CCM_8 in the QUIC spec to have parity with TLS 1.3, but I can live with the text from #2743 because that allows someone to write a one-page spec on how to use AES_128_CCM_8 in QUIC without risking interoperability issues. I'm OK with closing this issue with no further action at this point.

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Currently, only Firefox would be required to change their prioritization scheme if the number of placeholders is 0. Based on information I've seen(ie: the Cloudflare presentation and my own anecdotal experience), it's not clear their use of placeholders is any better than a scheme that does not use them, so I think it's possible Firefox could change their priority scheme and it would be faster.

Given that, and that placeholders are a new feature in H3, I'd prefer to allow the number to be 0.

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I changed this to SHOULD NOT from MUST NOT to allow some experimentation.

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Even when the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator, implementations MUST disable the spin bit for a given connection with a certain likelihood. The random selection process SHOULD be designed such that on average the spin bit is -disabled for at least one eighth of connections. The selection process performed -at the beginning of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the -connection. - -In case multiple connections share the same five-tuple, that is, have the same -source and destination IP address and UDP ports, endpoints should try to -co-ordinate across all connections to ensure a clear signal to any on-path -measurement points. +disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. The selection process What happens when the client thinks the path hasn't changed but the server has? An observer could be on either side of the NAT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4019,14 +4019,14 @@ to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when
 the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator, implementations MUST disable
 the spin bit for a given connection with a certain likelihood. The random
 selection process SHOULD be designed such that on average the spin bit is
-disabled for at least one eighth of connections. The selection process performed
-at the beginning of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the
-connection.
-
-In case multiple connections share the same five-tuple, that is, have the same
-source and destination IP address and UDP ports, endpoints should try to
-co-ordinate across all connections to ensure a clear signal to any on-path
-measurement points.
+disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. The selection process

What happens when the client thinks the path hasn't changed but the server has? An observer could be on either side of the NAT.

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  • 52957ec Clarify the MUST, unless and indicate that the destination CID is sufficient for rate limiting

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1722,6 +1722,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
 echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed.  An
+endpoint MAY choose to limit the number of pending PATH_RESPONSE frames

Clarified in 52957ec. I didn't want to get into which one to respond to on a given CID, since I don't think it makes a huge difference and it makes it a bit more confusing.

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----==_mimepart_5cedb233f3ded_74d23fa48c0cd96829865d-- From nobody Tue May 28 16:57:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE801200D8 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 16:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uWCVoKiNuqMX for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 16:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E8CE120074 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 16:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 16:57:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1559087857; bh=AocQXu+ejUZM/if31sWeTnu4B1Yxg+VG/S+Uc2+34QI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KrXKh8PZfYNTylRqIc3loEeVxqNhkwJki1r69pKAektb/pcgE1yJVCvyxEgwjEDRM TSDkcdR/i23gfW6rUSYnAJUsu0oc9l4mpsIO5iywlmAvfOlJVZMBnR0deY/m9NUmIf YxJfpUakzeE1SUPwjaXDm4T1yacdo+vaEoCwJk5M= From: Rui Paulo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't store or retransmit PATH_RESPONSE frames, avoid buffering (#2729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cedcaf1245a6_34fb3f9e01ccd95c153213"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rpaulo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 23:57:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cedcaf1245a6_34fb3f9e01ccd95c153213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rpaulo commented on this pull request. > @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. ## Path Validation Responses On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by -echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame, +unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection +ID and wishes to limit memory consumtion, for example when congestion limited. This example is inconsistent with the advice of just using one congestion controller so we might want to skip it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729#pullrequestreview-242976595 ----==_mimepart_5cedcaf1245a6_34fb3f9e01ccd95c153213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumtion, for example when congestion limited.

This example is inconsistent with the advice of just using one congestion controller so we might want to skip it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumtion, for example when congestion limited.

I don't know that it's entirely inconsistent, but sure can remove it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumtion, for example when congestion limited.

Removed in d0d147a

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumtion.

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The proposed change brings symmetry to how Initial keys are discarded.

FTR, during the interim some folks discussed that there's another asymmetry and that introducing symmetry there helps us resolve an open issue; at the moment only the server is allowed to replace the CID when responding to an Initial packet. We could allow clients to do that as well, and that would resolve #2645.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4019,14 +4019,14 @@ to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when
 the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator, implementations MUST disable
 the spin bit for a given connection with a certain likelihood. The random
 selection process SHOULD be designed such that on average the spin bit is
-disabled for at least one eighth of connections. The selection process performed
-at the beginning of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths used by the
-connection.
-
-In case multiple connections share the same five-tuple, that is, have the same
-source and destination IP address and UDP ports, endpoints should try to
-co-ordinate across all connections to ensure a clear signal to any on-path
-measurement points.
+disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. The selection process

It doesn't really matter if the client and server disagrees in general as long as enough connections agree on enabling spin. As to privacy that is for justifying being silent so if one endpoint decides not to be, that shouldn't really matter either.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed.

I don't understand this: "unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frame buffered" and later "MUST NOT store"? why would you buffer a response and then not send it, and why would you buffer if you are not allowed to? And why would it limit memory to buffer and why would it use less memory when choosing not to send the buffered data?

Do you mean "unless a PATH_RESPONSE has already been sent to the same destination connection ID?"

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=0D =0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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e peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.=0D
 ## Path Validation Responses=0D
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 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediatel=
y by=0D
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONS=
E frame.=0D
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONS=
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+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination con=
nection=0D
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.=0D
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+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new=
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+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is need=
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I think the original intent here for =E2=80=9Cstore=E2=80=9D was in te= rms of (frames in) packets that are waiting to be acked, not things that = might be kept around for a very short time to satisfy pacing and/or conge= stion limits on their way onto the network. Some of that should be cleane= d up soon.

=0D

You should send multiple path responses in response to multiple path c= hallenges, even on the same connection ID - unless you=E2=80=99re getting= attacked with them at such a high rate that you can=E2=80=99t get them o= ut the door quickly enough and you need to limit your memory consumption = while doing that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed.

Maybe something like: "An endpoint MUST NOT send more than one PATH_RESPONSE frame in response to one PATH_REQUEST frame, as a new ..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed.

Why do we bother with ACK on challenge / response? And is that an attack vector, given what you just said?

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----==_mimepart_5cee2a02b62fd_4baf3fdfe7ccd95c67079b-- From nobody Wed May 29 05:50:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AA612008A for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 05:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pL87QZWPyK1D for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 05:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61F5B12006D for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 05:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 05:50:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1559134212; bh=TcdoVyxr2MVuH0AxxcuIMKcKm8mAs6fWXzMJdAum02Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rsHIBisV6Z7GMVY/LJSCHc1d79K3XI+IrYiAa2Xa+dfCXlDtRU+a55+0RIwZYAj76 TmPPYnSw7j9jeboX+fwnV1rVrxiunAThBQ3RNms9f0RsTIo7STqg1ObR6g2gUtncMT jp1aN3SdrnFF6c/H3BENK+N3Ds7jJ7Q1kQK/eF9I= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't store or retransmit PATH_RESPONSE frames, avoid buffering (#2729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cee8004209e6_4cb3fc9ad0cd968110854"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 12:50:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cee8004209e6_4cb3fc9ad0cd968110854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dtikhonov commented on this pull request. > @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. ## Path Validation Responses On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by -echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame, +unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection +ID and wishes to limit memory consumption. + +An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new +PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed. > You should send multiple path responses in response to multiple path challenges, even on the same connection ID This seems unjustified. Let's say an endpoint receives 100 _PATH_CHALLENGE_ frames in a single packet. Is it to reply with 100 _PATH_RESPONSE_ frames? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2729#discussion_r288547484 ----==_mimepart_5cee8004209e6_4cb3fc9ad0cd968110854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame will be sent if another PATH_RESPONSE frame is needed.

You should send multiple path responses in response to multiple path challenges, even on the same connection ID

This seems unjustified. Let's say an endpoint receives 100 PATH_CHALLENGE frames in a single packet. Is it to reply with 100 PATH_RESPONSE frames?

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I would personally recommend dropping the "unless" clause and only ad= ding the new MUST NOT statement in this PR. The attack of sending many pa= th challenges is no worse than sending other types of frames (see discuss= ion in #2129 and #2241). I worry that this "unle= ss" is vague and will cause some implementations to not respond to path c= hallenges in non-attack cases which will harm performance. One mitigation= that makes more sense is to say that you MUST NOT send multiple PATH_CHA= LLENGE frames in a packet, and receiving multiple of them triggers a PROT= OCOL_VIOLATION.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed May 29 09:26:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D07F1201CB for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 09:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XbdGgLIk4Xdd for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF34212002F for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 09:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 09:25:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1559147153; bh=JH0sXlZe2naDriarKdaG/j3Ua/676FVRBM9TzipJLDY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vnPiEhOGVkRBazGAu+qcjrMcTsqj1JhGXP5e5VqLPXBKHDI6EI3q3bKG5k2cbJr5F J3AMbm3k1shQxNhjmlQfVC9lFM/uXgHmA1sWsQVURRJ3pRFB9wIb9R3gGyHALPZ+p9 bpSZJ9OMyA2+Yy0UFZyN94hTkyYAfQPv9elN3Q7k= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK editorial revision (#2759) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ceeb2918db83_11863faa366cd96c2409f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 16:26:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ceeb2918db83_11863faa366cd96c2409f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I made a major editorial pass on the QPACK spec, hoping to address some of the issues mentioned in #2339, and others. I separated logical changes into individual commits in this PR, which should (hopefully) make it a bit easier to review the changes. For example, some sections were reordered and updated, so there's a commit that just moves the text without changes. The "Editorial Clarifications" commit should not impact design at all, but does add new text explaining the handling of certain cases. In addition to looking at the individual changes, giving the final product a read from start to finish would also be appreciated. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2759 -- Commit Summary -- * [qpack] rewrite abstract * [qpack] Minor editorial pass * [qpack] Prefer header blocks to H3 frame types * [qpack] Reorder sections * [qpack] Editorial Clarifications * [qpack] Move some decoder text to the decoder section * [qpack] Move some explanatory text from Wire Format to Decoder section * [qpack] Make the instruction text more consistent * [qpack] Remove redundant stream text, update TOC -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (516) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2759.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2759.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I made a major editorial pass on the QPACK spec, hoping to address some of the issues mentioned in #2339, and others.

I separated logical changes into individual commits in this PR, which should (hopefully) make it a bit easier to review the changes. For example, some sections were reordered and updated, so there's a commit that just moves the text without changes.

The "Editorial Clarifications" commit should not impact design at all, but does add new text explaining the handling of certain cases.

In addition to looking at the individual changes, giving the final product a read from start to finish would also be appreciated.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2759

Commit Summary

  • [qpack] rewrite abstract
  • [qpack] Minor editorial pass
  • [qpack] Prefer header blocks to H3 frame types
  • [qpack] Reorder sections
  • [qpack] Editorial Clarifications
  • [qpack] Move some decoder text to the decoder section
  • [qpack] Move some explanatory text from Wire Format to Decoder section
  • [qpack] Make the instruction text more consistent
  • [qpack] Remove redundant stream text, update TOC

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I prefer having a non-zero minimum that servers are required to support. If a client needs more than this minimum, it better have a fallback plan. I don't think this is too onerous on minimal implementations, since the server can just ignore all the PRIORITY frames anyways.

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Although we don't explicitly prohibit the client from sending NEW_TOKEN frames, the text strongly suggests that this frame is only sent by the server.

For the p2p use case, it would be valuable if the client could provide the server with tokens for future connections.

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Is this for the case when the server and client switch roles for a subsequent connection?

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Is this for the case when the server and client switch roles for a subsequent connection?

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The MUST NOT store > @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. ## Path Validation Responses On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by -echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame, +unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection +ID and wishes to limit memory consumption. I don't think this addition is necessary. QUIC does not require or suggest that PATH_RESPONSE be buffered, so an implementation would simply send or queue subsequent PATH_RESPONSE frames, as it should. Memory considerations are much larger with data, and I would argue that memory pressure due to too many PATH_CHALLENGEs isn't interesting. > @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. ## Path Validation Responses On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by -echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame, +unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection +ID and wishes to limit memory consumption. + +An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new I prefer @kazuho's rewording here: "And endpoint MUST NOT send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, as a new ..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The MUST NOT store

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.

I don't think this addition is necessary. QUIC does not require or suggest that PATH_RESPONSE be buffered, so an implementation would simply send or queue subsequent PATH_RESPONSE frames, as it should. Memory considerations are much larger with data, and I would argue that memory pressure due to too many PATH_CHALLENGEs isn't interesting.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1721,7 +1721,12 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
 On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame,
+unless it has PATH_RESPONSE frames buffered for the same destination connection
+ID and wishes to limit memory consumption.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT store or retransmit a PATH_RESPONSE frame, as a new

I prefer @kazuho's rewording here: "And endpoint MUST NOT send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, as a new ..."

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The handshake is asymmetric in QUIC, and tokens are sent only by a client during the handshake. At the moment, there's no mechanism by which a token sent by a client can be used by a server.

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Currently, only Firefox would be required to change their prioritization scheme if the number of placeholders is 0. Based on information I've seen(ie: the Cloudflare presentation and my own anecdotal experience), it's not clear their use of placeholders is any better than a scheme that does not use them, so I think it's possible Firefox could change their priority scheme and it would be faster.

Fair point. I agree that placeholders becomes no longer a prerequisite for browsers once we bring back the "exclusive" bit (as proposed by #2754).

OTOH, I am still not sure if there is a necessity to diverge from the design we have in HTTP/2 and start requiring clients to take the server's settings into consideration when building a prioritization tree. We currently recommend servers to set SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS to some sensible value other than zero, and given that, as I commented in #2753 (comment), suggesting server's to ignore placeholder IDs out of the server's advertised range might be a simpler solution.

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At the moment, it is the client's obligation to build a prioritization tree by respecting the server-advertised value of SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS.

That seems like an unnecessary complexity. We assume servers to provide sensible amount of space for placeholders (i.e., SHOULD). Then, why do the clients need to be forced to implement complex logic to handle servers not complying to the recommendation?

This PR gives the clients the freedom to express a prioritization tree that it needs regardless of what the server advertises using the SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS settings. The settings is changed to a purely advisory value; clients that do care are allowed to respect the value.

Maybe closes #2734, #2753.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2761

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  • allow PRIORITY frames referring to placeholders exceeding `SETTING_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS`

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@afrind I think there are three choices:

  • a) require some servers to lie (send non-zero SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS even though they do not respect placeholders)
  • b) require all clients to build different trees based on the value of SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS
  • c) let the clients send placeholders out of the server's advertised range

I do not think a is a good idea, because we'd be losing some signal. b is what we have now, but seems like an unnecessary complexity considering the fact that some servers might still ignore placeholders (or the priority tree as a whole). To me c seems to be a good middle ground. Clients that want to respect SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS can do so, but that becomes an option. Hence #2761.

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----==_mimepart_5cf0bb973274a_13293fb607ccd95c512459-- From nobody Thu May 30 22:29:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8871B1200D6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 22:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.806 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.806 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.415, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sjSKqNjFvUpP for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 22:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B82A8120088 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 22:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:29:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1559280543; bh=glqGNUemqVQJJeAXk0TqCtqnh/aVoZ7GOwJUcnJCTQ0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YJl2JqcIkFUz/6ijNrN2BVzBSFGsUQaSWjlfXAvWtRDtvhsSIl6Hi4k+8m1UsF6Ob RuUKckAlpW3fqSbJsCzrQcCK7xJxh8gvvQurc3nEkL/gYNSBEtyYcCihP5rMMDb+zM M2WUDbXuz50bPuvU54doaAlLmDCpU1E4sSGM08pI= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] NEW_TOKEN should be symmetric (#2760) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cf0bb9f9a9b9_cb13ffa6cccd96c9070b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 05:29:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cf0bb9f9a9b9_cb13ffa6cccd96c9070b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The handshake is asymmetric in QUIC, and tokens are sent only by a client during the handshake. At the moment, there's no mechanism by which a token sent by a client can be used by a server. I don't want to change any of that. I'm just talking about the case where the two peers reconnect, this time with switched roles. In a p2p setting, this frequently occurs, and the terms "client" and "server" have little meaning beyond identifying who initiated the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2760#issuecomment-497580828 ----==_mimepart_5cf0bb9f9a9b9_cb13ffa6cccd96c9070b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The handshake is asymmetric in QUIC, and tokens are sent only by a client during the handshake. At the moment, there's no mechanism by which a token sent by a client can be used by a server.

I don't want to change any of that. I'm just talking about the case where the two peers reconnect, this time with switched roles. In a p2p setting, this frequently occurs, and the terms "client" and "server" have little meaning beyond identifying who initiated the connection.

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While I can understand the desire, I am wary of the complexity that it might introduce. I am not sure if we could consider (and continue to consider) the use-case during the development and the maintenance of the protocol.

Hence the question: how important is it? The only case you'd benefit a round trip from using a NEW_TOKEN token is when you can do 0-RTT. However, 0-RTT can only be used when a connection in the same direction has been established before. Considering that, I wonder what the benefit is.

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FWIW, we've implement this.

Orphan placeholder was indeed a simplification for us; we could revert the introduction of implicitly_initialized flag that we had to make to the HTTP/2 scheduler (see #2502 (comment)). Now, we are using the HTTP/2 scheduler as-is in our HTTP/3 stack.

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While I can understand the desire, I am wary of the complexity that it might introduce. I am not sure if we could consider (and continue to consider) the use-case during the development and the maintenance of the protocol.

I don't think there's a lot of complexity here. The token is literally just an opaque blob which is transferred on one connection and reused on another connection. All the complexity of issuing, encrypting, validating and using the tokens is born by the implementations, and if p2p isn't your use case, you don't need to do anything.

The only case you'd benefit a round trip from using a NEW_TOKEN token is when you can do 0-RTT. However, 0-RTT can only be used when a connection in the same direction has been established before.

There are two benefits here, that apply even if you don't do 0-RTT:

  1. You save one round-trip for address validation.
  2. You can encode additional information into the token. For example, an implementation could encode the RTT of the old connection into the token, and use that as an initial estimate when establishing a new connection.

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----==_mimepart_5cf0f17b5373f_f233f8fb58cd960188963-- From nobody Fri May 31 03:17:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927B5120025 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 03:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j7Zik4eK24Ev for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 03:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78D9512001B for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 03:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 03:17:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1559297838; bh=KJRHHQ//x6dDoDlV5z/u5dQdHmvvA4gvSCHMJIbKP9k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cX4VcczJihMM1bpOoGg/TdENVVlH/TmkaRT5JqsrVorRMTbRmXa+egglzjjcdD58F 6WfSEqOvwoxxqISMQbNZDVn6nGk6u6KDnu006b+I1NqSljO/YDp0qKX9nURZjuvcbt YSudP76mL7sV56zcXjs2kI5Gz3z7dxa6VWojaJso= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] allow PRIORITY frames referring to placeholders exceeding `SETTING_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` (#2761) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cf0ff2e4f6ae_4b423f8bcaccd96422685e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:17:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cf0ff2e4f6ae_4b423f8bcaccd96422685e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. > @@ -1202,9 +1202,15 @@ The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames: A PRIORITY frame with Empty bits not set to zero MAY be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME. -A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, a Placeholder ID -greater than the server's limit, or a Stream ID the client is not yet permitted -to open MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED. +A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, or a Stream ID the +client is not yet permitted to open MUST be treated as a connection error of +type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED. + +A PRIORITY frame MAY reference a Placeholder ID that is equal to or greater than +the server's advertised value of the `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` settings. The +server SHOULD ignore PRIORITY frames that specify such placeholders as the +prioritized element. The server SHOULD use the root of the tree as the I think you want s/prioritized element/element dependency. Such that if a stream is assigned as dependent on a placeholder ID greater than SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS, then it becomes dependent on root. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2761#pullrequestreview-244235054 ----==_mimepart_5cf0ff2e4f6ae_4b423f8bcaccd96422685e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1202,9 +1202,15 @@ The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames:
 A PRIORITY frame with Empty bits not set to zero MAY be treated as a connection
 error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
-A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, a Placeholder ID
-greater than the server's limit, or a Stream ID the client is not yet permitted
-to open MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, or a Stream ID the
+client is not yet permitted to open MUST be treated as a connection error of
+type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY reference a Placeholder ID that is equal to or greater than
+the server's advertised value of the `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` settings.  The
+server SHOULD ignore PRIORITY frames that specify such placeholders as the
+prioritized element.  The server SHOULD use the root of the tree as the

I think you want s/prioritized element/element dependency. Such that if a stream is assigned as dependent on a placeholder ID greater than SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS, then it becomes dependent on root.

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1202,9 +1202,15 @@ The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames:
 A PRIORITY frame with Empty bits not set to zero MAY be treated as a connection
 error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
-A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, a Placeholder ID
-greater than the server's limit, or a Stream ID the client is not yet permitted
-to open MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, or a Stream ID the
+client is not yet permitted to open MUST be treated as a connection error of
+type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY reference a Placeholder ID that is equal to or greater than
+the server's advertised value of the `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` settings.  The
+server SHOULD ignore PRIORITY frames that specify such placeholders as the
+prioritized element.  The server SHOULD use the root of the tree as the

NVM, you say that in the next sentence.

Perhaps if you reorder the text to make the subject of each sentence come earlier, it will be easier to read it correctly.

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I believe the server p2p case is important and a lot of work has been put into making QUIC symmetric.

Background: Symmetry breaks down naturally in the handshake where one is the initiator, and later in migration where only the client can migrate. The handshake is natural, and migration is simply cost-benefit. There are use cases for server migration in ICE client p2p configuration. For server p2p migration is not important which is probably why it was easily agreed to move that to v2.

Conclusion: symmetry is desirable when feasible, but not at all cost.

So, is the token symmetry worthwhile? In the sense that server p2p is, then maybe. In this configuration peers are expected to be fairly static, so an initial extra roundtrip is probably not that big of a deal when roles reverse. But for v2 it certainly makes sense to include.

There are other case like mesh networking where configuration is much more dynamic and is neither cilent p2p nor server p2p. Here saving a roundtrip could be valuable but it might not matter because when it becomes relevant to use such a token, the configuration might have moved on to new pairs of peers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1202,9 +1202,15 @@ The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames:
 A PRIORITY frame with Empty bits not set to zero MAY be treated as a connection
 error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
-A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, a Placeholder ID
-greater than the server's limit, or a Stream ID the client is not yet permitted
-to open MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, or a Stream ID the
+client is not yet permitted to open MUST be treated as a connection error of
+type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY reference a Placeholder ID that is equal to or greater than
+the server's advertised value of the `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` settings.  The
+server SHOULD ignore PRIORITY frames that specify such placeholders as the
+prioritized element.  The server SHOULD use the root of the tree as the

@LPardue Thank you for the comment. I've changed the flow of the sentences in 4579ada. PTAL.

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The token is literally just an opaque blob which is transferred on one connection and reused on another connection. All the complexity of issuing, encrypting, validating and using the tokens is born by the implementations, and if p2p isn't your use case, you don't need to do anything.

While I agree that tokens are just blobs, there are bunch of text explaining how a token is expected to be (or to not be) used, assuming that the roles between the endpoints do not change.

There are two benefits here, that apply even if you don't do 0-RTT:

  1. You save one round-trip for address validation.

The only difference will be the amount of 0.5-RTT data that the server can send. It's either 3 packets (without token) or more (with token, like 10 packets or the CWND remembered by the token). Regardless of the availability of the token, the server cannot send data that cannot be replayed, because until it cannot be certain that the Initial packets that it received came from a legitimate client until it receives a response from the client.

So it seems to me that there'd be some difference, the benefit depending on if P2P application protocols require the server to send several packets worth of data before receiving anything from the client, before validating the client's authenticity.

  1. You can encode additional information into the token. For example, an implementation could encode the RTT of the old connection into the token, and use that as an initial estimate when establishing a new connection.

I am not sure how much that is important, because in this scenario, the endpoint that is now acting as the client (i.e. the endpoint that offered the token) should have the knowledge of the RTT. Then, it would retransmit it's Initial at the correct moment, which would trigger the server to retransmit packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1202,9 +1202,15 @@ The following situations are examples of invalid PRIORITY frames:
 A PRIORITY frame with Empty bits not set to zero MAY be treated as a connection
 error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME.
 
-A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, a Placeholder ID
-greater than the server's limit, or a Stream ID the client is not yet permitted
-to open MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+A PRIORITY frame that references a non-existent Push ID, or a Stream ID the
+client is not yet permitted to open MUST be treated as a connection error of
+type HTTP_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY reference a Placeholder ID that is equal to or greater than
+the server's advertised value of the `SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS` settings.  The
+server SHOULD ignore PRIORITY frames that specify such placeholders as the
+prioritized element.  The server SHOULD use the root of the tree as the

That looks better now.

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A general comment on this is that things might get racy depending on how things get resolved with the initial value of SETTINGS_NUM_PLACEHOLDERS. If the default is low and a SETTINGS frame would increase it, then the client that attempts to set placeholder priority too eagerly may not get the result they expect.

In practice what we might see is that different servers implement some internal limit to num placeholders and manage the tree that way, settling on some value that works well for most clients.

I think that is the spirit of this change. This change allows some looser behaviour and unlike HTTP/2 phantom streams, doesn't tie up stream credits for prioritisation structures.

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As per #2100 (comment) HTTP MUST allow enough uni str= eams credits for mandatory streams (control, QPACK encoder/decoder, other= mandatory extensions) but is not required to grant additional credits if= the peer wastes them.

This is the companion PR to #2529 updating the requireme= nts in the HTTP draft, and together they fix #2100. I created a separate PR since it touches = -http instead of -qpack, so it doesn't get bloacked by the QPACK refactor= ing.

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  • Mandate allowing peer to create enough unidirectional streams for H= TTP and QPACK

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This change doesn't make a lot of sense to me TBH. If the client is allowed to ignore the server setting, then there's no point to that setting.

If the client can't adapt its prioritization scheme based on the number of placeholders allowed by the server and proceeds to use more placeholders, then it is likely to end up effectively disabling prioritization for the connection completely (if the server does set a limit it probably means it won't respect the priorities that use more than the placeholders allowed, otherwise it would set the limit to a very high value).

So in practice servers will just end up setting their internal limits and the setting to either whatever value popular clients need, making the setting meaningless, or still set it to a lower value effectively disabling prioritization with some clients.

Anyway, TBH at this point I'd rather spend time exploring the discussion about limiting or even removing placeholders as we talked about in London (including talking with HTTPbis) rather than try to hack around all of these problems.

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This change puts placeholders in the same camp as MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE, an advisory value. I also agree with your argument there, a limit that is ignored is kinda useless.

What this change does allow is a fire and forget approach from the client. It gracefully fails because the client can't reliably validate that any prioritisationinformation was adhered to.

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Sure, but clients either care about priorities, in which case they should be built such that they can deal with whatever placeholders limit instead of risking having priorities silently ignored, or they don't, in which case they might as well not send priorities at all.

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  • 63e7dd6 VN packets may have 255B CIDs

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@afrind approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -912,10 +912,20 @@ Endpoints that set low values for the QUIC transport parameters
 chance that the remote peer reaches the limit early and becomes blocked. In
 particular, the value chosen for `initial_max_uni_streams` should consider that
 remote peers may wish to exercise reserved stream behaviour ({{stream-grease}}).
-To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers SHOULD send a
-value of three or greater for the QUIC transport parameter
-`initial_max_uni_streams`, and a value of 1,024 or greater for the QUIC
-transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`.
+To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers MUST allow
+the peer to create one unidirectional stream for the HTTP control stream plus
+the number of unidictional streams required by mandatory extensions (such as
+QPACK), by setting an appropriate value for the QUIC transport parameter
+`initial_max_uni_streams` (three being the minimum value required for the base
+HTTP/3 protocol and QPACK), and SHOULD use a value of 1,024 or greater for the
+QUIC transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`.
+
+Note that an endpoint is not required to grant additional credits to create more
+unidirectional streams if its peer consumes all the initial credits before
+creating the key unidirectional streams. Endpoints SHOULD create the HTTP

maybe 'critical' instead of 'key'?

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OK, the transport drafts now acknowledges that it may have to send VN with CIL > 48 bytes.

I believe all known issues are resolved.

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I guess one argument is that since prioritisation is a hint anyway, the clients are already able to handle being silently ignored.

However, to support your argument, it may be better to ignore all priority tree requests rather than fail e.g. half of them. And because the server doesn't know how many placeholders the client wants, it can never guess how many would be enough, ever.

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In particular, the value chosen for `initial_max_uni_streams` should consider that remote peers may wish to exercise reserved stream behaviour ({{stream-grease}}). -To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers SHOULD send a -value of three or greater for the QUIC transport parameter -`initial_max_uni_streams`, and a value of 1,024 or greater for the QUIC -transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`. +To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers MUST allow +the peer to create one unidirectional stream for the HTTP control stream plus +the number of unidictional streams required by mandatory extensions (such as +QPACK), by setting an appropriate value for the QUIC transport parameter +`initial_max_uni_streams` (three being the minimum value required for the base +HTTP/3 protocol and QPACK), and SHOULD use a value of 1,024 or greater for the +QUIC transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`. + +Note that an endpoint is not required to grant additional credits to create more +unidirectional streams if its peer consumes all the initial credits before +creating the key unidirectional streams. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -912,10 +912,20 @@ Endpoints that set low values for the QUIC transport parameters
 chance that the remote peer reaches the limit early and becomes blocked. In
 particular, the value chosen for `initial_max_uni_streams` should consider that
 remote peers may wish to exercise reserved stream behaviour ({{stream-grease}}).
-To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers SHOULD send a
-value of three or greater for the QUIC transport parameter
-`initial_max_uni_streams`, and a value of 1,024 or greater for the QUIC
-transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`.
+To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers MUST allow
+the peer to create one unidirectional stream for the HTTP control stream plus
+the number of unidictional streams required by mandatory extensions (such as
+QPACK), by setting an appropriate value for the QUIC transport parameter
+`initial_max_uni_streams` (three being the minimum value required for the base
+HTTP/3 protocol and QPACK), and SHOULD use a value of 1,024 or greater for the
+QUIC transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`.
+
+Note that an endpoint is not required to grant additional credits to create more
+unidirectional streams if its peer consumes all the initial credits before
+creating the key unidirectional streams. Endpoints SHOULD create the HTTP

Yes, that's better, fixed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -912,10 +912,20 @@ Endpoints that set low values for the QUIC transport parameters
 chance that the remote peer reaches the limit early and becomes blocked. In
 particular, the value chosen for `initial_max_uni_streams` should consider that
 remote peers may wish to exercise reserved stream behaviour ({{stream-grease}}).
-To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers SHOULD send a
-value of three or greater for the QUIC transport parameter
-`initial_max_uni_streams`, and a value of 1,024 or greater for the QUIC
-transport parameter `initial_max_stream_data_uni`.
+To reduce the likelihood of blocking, both clients and servers MUST allow
+the peer to create one unidirectional stream for the HTTP control stream plus
+the number of unidictional streams required by mandatory extensions (such as

Oooops, fixed, thanks.

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----==_mimepart_5cf18d02b84f8_5aa73fc8d40cd960895c8-- From nobody Fri May 31 13:23:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72C71200C1 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Of47W9s2KaEs for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 13:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 635AA120072 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 13:23:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=hagSWbI89ptPXed14gUdFh9jcvg=; b=cNm/xwjlcoV9Knu9 GAH4BUb/Kq/gzzM2CCaA5dzy5SEz/ic7MmNF8crWl9B2YWlLHooQjhBv3/t7jVaE i5dMmSsPBxtur1+O3PB4405yit1ae3FIqgAHWMvDj6eeithIvJRnGd9XMOvMgNwV 74Shlg+68cjbFip5WJeJPHL1UFw= Received: by filter0334p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0334p1iad2-15337-5CF18D4D-A 2019-05-31 20:23:41.29761606 +0000 UTC m=+694693.769761677 Received: from github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.4]) by ismtpd0015p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 88JZGBYuRai9ZMmyHnIIFA for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 20:23:41.327 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e8fa9ff.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40756420338 for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 13:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 20:23:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Alessandro Ghedini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow not creating QPACK codec streams (#2529) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5cf18d4d3d8cf_2aee3fcd1becd95c925cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ghedo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2LHjmnP0AjUQPXd5IZ1HxqP69TbIqkYiDUi6 JqQGSlvWPx353KY780hzMtDpoM3M6S/Um7zhJLGNJgWeVbrRl9N8WGvh681wlnWxFNyHqfN8DuzGpL qnCIu5IBOS/Vb/rPfEE95+XkBRwNsnbo80Q5r+WaqB0dE/+6n+h1x1oro/zM6iCe08LaiuH2iBOf1V w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 20:23:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5cf18d4d3d8cf_2aee3fcd1becd95c925cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ghedo pushed 1 commit. a3c622bec38228f198e7380b7d91bba33e85ea66 Use 'at most' language for both encoder and decoder -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. View it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2529/files/21272fdc8f5ea7bd155c7d5d7ee83da024ddd382..a3c622bec38228f198e7380b7d91bba33e85ea66 ----==_mimepart_5cf18d4d3d8cf_2aee3fcd1becd95c925cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  HTTP/3 endpoints contain a QPACK encoder and decoder. Each endpoint MUST
-initiate a single encoder stream and decoder stream. Receipt of a second
-instance of either stream type be MUST treated as a connection error of type
+initiate at most one encoder stream and one decoder stream. Receipt of a second

Ok, updated to use 'at most' for both decoder and encoder.

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A few nits > Destination Connection ID: -: The Destination Connection ID field follows the connection ID lengths and is - either 0 bytes in length or between 4 and 18 bytes. - {{negotiating-connection-ids}} describes the use of this field in more detail. +: The Destination Connection ID field follows the DCIL and is between 0 and 48 + bytes in length. {{negotiating-connection-ids}} describes the use of this + field in more detail. + +SCIL: + +: The byte following the destination Connection ID contains the length in bytes ```suggestion : The byte following the Destination Connection ID contains the length in bytes ``` > Destination Connection ID: -: The Destination Connection ID field follows the connection ID lengths and is - either 0 bytes in length or between 4 and 18 bytes. - {{negotiating-connection-ids}} describes the use of this field in more detail. +: The Destination Connection ID field follows the DCIL and is between 0 and 48 + bytes in length. {{negotiating-connection-ids}} describes the use of this + field in more detail. + +SCIL: + +: The byte following the destination Connection ID contains the length in bytes + of the source connection ID field that follows it. This length is encoded as ```suggestion of the Source Connection ID field that follows it. This length is encoded as ``` > @@ -3577,6 +3588,10 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path attacker. +As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1 +limit, Version Negotiation Packets will sometimes exceed the Connection ID ```suggestion limit, Version Negotiation Packets MAY carry Connection IDs that are longer than 48 bytes. ``` > @@ -3577,6 +3588,10 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path attacker. +As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1 +limit, Version Negotiation Packets will sometimes exceed the Connection ID +length limit of 48 bytes in version 1. ```suggestion ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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