From nobody Tue Oct 1 00:28:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5226B120019 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 00:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBgSIE1RexFg for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 00:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F5F312006D for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 00:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498DAA0094 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 00:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 00:28:29 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d93001d39e06_57703f83a04cd96c15917d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 07:28:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d93001d39e06_57703f83a04cd96c15917d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't really care much how Retry is protected, whether it is a checksum at the end or the Initial format, but aside from Version Negotiation, it is the only packet without self-contained integrity checks. That is a pain when forwarding packets, for example over a bluetooth or USB serial gateway. Now you have to add a packet version specific framing layer and since packets can be coalesced, that makes it all the more fun. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-536907223 ----==_mimepart_5d93001d39e06_57703f83a04cd96c15917d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't really care much how Retry is protected, whether it is a checksum at the end or the Initial format, but aside from Version Negotiation, it is the only packet without self-contained integrity checks. That is a pain when forwarding packets, for example over a bluetooth or USB serial gateway. Now you have to add a packet version specific framing layer and since packets can be coalesced, that makes it all the more fun.

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While I agree that we have tried to make MUST requirements testable, I am not certain if it is a goo idea to avoid use of MUST when a requirement cannot be tested (or if doing so is a good idea, per the definition of the keywords in RFC 2119).

At least for this particular case, isn't it a requirement for an endpoint to drop the old connection IDs?

Though I could well be wrong though in how the keywords are used in practice.

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----==_mimepart_5d937ed6d2d1a_48513ffa840cd9603574ae-- From nobody Tue Oct 1 09:32:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CFD120105 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gIQJH7YlvjCf for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94AD61201AA for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3178F1202D0 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:32:50 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of Retire Prior To field (#3046) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d937fb2dffce_3d53fd6936cd96034568e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 16:32:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d937fb2dffce_3d53fd6936cd96034568e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm fine saying MUST drop in a timely manner, and being explicit about what we mean by timely manner (3 PTO from the peer's perspective). Obviously, from the peer's perspective, that is enforceable. Locally though, it's obviously not as clear cut. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3046#issuecomment-537118795 ----==_mimepart_5d937fb2dffce_3d53fd6936cd96034568e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm fine saying MUST drop in a timely manner, and being explicit about what we mean by timely manner (3 PTO from the peer's perspective). Obviously, from the peer's perspective, that is enforceable. Locally though, it's obviously not as clear cut.

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I think the specification should mandate padding of server initial packets as well.

When I was traveling a couple weeks ago, I was on a network where, when using IPv6, it allowed 1200-byte UDP packets through from client to server but blackholed them from server to client. Since our implementation pads initials in both directions, we were able to detect this failure during the handshake and fall back to TCP/TLS. If the server didn't pad its initials, we would have succeeded at the handshake but never gotten an HTTP response.

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The case that I found interop was that my client and one packet's worth of unacknowledged data. In the 1-RTT case, I'd just send the data in the first probe and then a PING in the second probe.

Since I can't do that for Handshake, I have two unattractive options:

  • send only one probe, reducing the probability of success
  • introduce special logic to spread out the data into two packets with a CRYPTO frame (gross)

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I think the specification should mandate padding of server initial packets as well.

When I was traveling a couple weeks ago, I was on a network where, when using IPv6, it allowed 1200-byte UDP packets through from client to server but blackholed them from server to client. Since our implementation pads initials in both directions, we were able to detect this failure during the handshake and fall back to TCP/TLS. If the server didn't pad its initials, we would have succeeded at the handshake but never gotten an HTTP response.

This definitely seems like a design issue. The purpose of the padding rule is solely to limit amplification, not to establish a minimum MTU. If you want some sort of MTU rule, that should be discussed separately.

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@ekr approved this pull request.

LGTM

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -cryptographic handshake message, MUST fit in a single UDP datagram (see
-{{handshake}}).  The first CRYPTO frame sent always begins at an offset of 0
-(see {{handshake}}).
-
-Note that if the server sends a HelloRetryRequest, the client will send a second
-Initial packet.  This Initial packet will continue the cryptographic handshake
-and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
-frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
-subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
+the start or all of the first cryptographic handshake message.  The first
+CRYPTO frame sent always begins at an offset of 0 (see {{handshake}}).
+
+Note that if the server sends a HelloRetryRequest, the client will send another
+series of Initial packets.  These Initial packets will continue the
+cryptographic handshake and will contain CRYPTO frames starting at an offset
+matching the size of the CRYPTO frames sent in the first flight of Initial

"matching the size" is a bit odd. Perhaps "immediately after the last byte of..."

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This issue is marked as design. Are you suggesting I should open a separate one?

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I agree with Kazuho here: splitting it in half would make plenty of room

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@ekr I believe it is dual purpose:

From the current transport draft:

The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the first Initial packet MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by coalescing the Initial packet (see Section 12.2). Sending a UDP datagram of this size ensures that the network path supports a reasonable Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU), and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client address; see Section 8.

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Yeah, that's dicta as far as I am concerned. I don't think we ever had consensus that we were going to enforce MTU here.

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I'm skeptical of this anti-timing advice and think we should remove it. > -In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of -specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}. +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate} + +Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection. An +endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret +and using that to protect new packets. The endpoint creates a new write secret +from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}. This +uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku". The Why aren't you using HKDF-Expand-Label here. It's defined in QUIC-TLS 5.2 > +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate} + +Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection. An +endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret +and using that to protect new packets. The endpoint creates a new write secret +from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}. This +uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku". The +corresponding key and IV are created from that secret as defined in +{{protection-keys}}. The header protection key is not updated. + +For example, to update write keys with TLS 1.3, HKDF-Expand-Label is used as: + +~~~ +secret_ = HKDF-Expand-Label(secret_, "quic ku", + "", Hash.length) +~~~ This is weird because it results in "quic quic ku" > +The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and +IV to protect all subsequent packets. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an +acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current +key phase. This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another +can be initiated. + +Note: + +: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are + derived solely from the TLS handshake state. + +The endpoint that initiates a key update also updates the keys that it uses for +receiving packets. These keys will be needed to process packets the peer sends +after updating. This text seems like dicta. You can wait until you receive the other side's first packet in the new epoch. > + +Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing +side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see +{{header-protect-analysis}}). Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in +place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys +will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove +packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be +rejected. + +The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could +reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY perform this process as +part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by +an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase +bit in certain packets. Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next +set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update +completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}. As I noted in Montreal, I don't think this is really that useful advice, for three reasons: 1. it's not really that useful to avoid leaking the key phase. 2. It's not clear to me what the timing signal is, given that one doesn't generally respond to QUIC packets immediately without any other processing and this timing signal isn't subject to the usual statistical amplification techniques. 3. It's a lot more complicated. So we should remove the SHOULD here. > +Once generated, the next set of packet protection keys SHOULD be retained, even +if the packet that was received was subsequently discarded. Packets containing +apparent key updates are easy to forge and - while the process of key update +does not require significant effort - triggering this process could be used by +an attacker for DoS. + +For this reason, endpoints MUST be able to retain two sets of packet protection +keys for receiving packets: the current and the next. Retaining the previous +keys in addition to these might improve performance, but this is not essential. + +The time taken to generate new keys could reveal through timing side channels +that a key update has occurred, or where an attacker injects packets, be used to +reveal the value of the Key Phase on injected packets. After receiving a key +update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of receive packet +protection keys. After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not +create timing signals about the value of the Key Phase. See above. Absent a clearer description of the threat, this seems overcomplex. > + +For receiving packets during a key update, packets protected with older keys +might arrive if they were delayed by the network. Retaining old packet +protection keys allows these packets to be successfully processed. + +As packet protected with keys from the next key phase use the same Key Phase +value as those protected with keys from the previous key phase, it can be +necessary to distinguish between the two. This can be done using packet +numbers. A recovered packet number that is lower than any packet number from +the current key phase uses the previous packet protection keys; a recovered +packet number that is higher than any packet number from the current key phase +requires the use of the next packet protection keys. + +Some care is necessary to ensure that any process for selecting between +previous, current, and next packet protection keys does not expose a timing side +channel that might reveal which keys were used to remove packet protection. And again.... What is the thread? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ekr requested changes on this pull request.

I'm skeptical of this anti-timing advice and think we should remove it.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of
-specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}.
+## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The

Why aren't you using HKDF-Expand-Label here. It's defined in QUIC-TLS 5.2

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The
+corresponding key and IV are created from that secret as defined in
+{{protection-keys}}.  The header protection key is not updated.
+
+For example, to update write keys with TLS 1.3, HKDF-Expand-Label is used as:
+
+~~~
+secret_<n+1> = HKDF-Expand-Label(secret_<n>, "quic ku",
+                                 "", Hash.length)
+~~~

This is weird because it results in "quic quic ku"

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and
+IV to protect all subsequent packets.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an
+acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current
+key phase.  This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another
+can be initiated.
+
+Note:
+
+: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are
+  derived solely from the TLS handshake state.
+
+The endpoint that initiates a key update also updates the keys that it uses for
+receiving packets.  These keys will be needed to process packets the peer sends
+after updating.

This text seems like dicta. You can wait until you receive the other side's first packet in the new epoch.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing
+side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see
+{{header-protect-analysis}}).  Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in
+place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys
+will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove
+packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be
+rejected.
+
+The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
+reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
+an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
+bit in certain packets.  Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next
+set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
+completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.

As I noted in Montreal, I don't think this is really that useful advice, for three reasons:

  1. it's not really that useful to avoid leaking the key phase.
  2. It's not clear to me what the timing signal is, given that one doesn't generally respond to QUIC packets immediately without any other processing and this timing signal isn't subject to the usual statistical amplification techniques.
  3. It's a lot more complicated.

So we should remove the SHOULD here.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Once generated, the next set of packet protection keys SHOULD be retained, even
+if the packet that was received was subsequently discarded.  Packets containing
+apparent key updates are easy to forge and - while the process of key update
+does not require significant effort - triggering this process could be used by
+an attacker for DoS.
+
+For this reason, endpoints MUST be able to retain two sets of packet protection
+keys for receiving packets: the current and the next.  Retaining the previous
+keys in addition to these might improve performance, but this is not essential.
+
+The time taken to generate new keys could reveal through timing side channels
+that a key update has occurred, or where an attacker injects packets, be used to
+reveal the value of the Key Phase on injected packets.  After receiving a key
+update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of receive packet
+protection keys.  After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not
+create timing signals about the value of the Key Phase.

See above. Absent a clearer description of the threat, this seems overcomplex.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+For receiving packets during a key update, packets protected with older keys
+might arrive if they were delayed by the network.  Retaining old packet
+protection keys allows these packets to be successfully processed.
+
+As packet protected with keys from the next key phase use the same Key Phase
+value as those protected with keys from the previous key phase, it can be
+necessary to distinguish between the two.  This can be done using packet
+numbers.  A recovered packet number that is lower than any packet number from
+the current key phase uses the previous packet protection keys; a recovered
+packet number that is higher than any packet number from the current key phase
+requires the use of the next packet protection keys.
+
+Some care is necessary to ensure that any process for selecting between
+previous, current, and next packet protection keys does not expose a timing side
+channel that might reveal which keys were used to remove packet protection.

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If 1, the number of blocked streams is not directly limited. Given the necessary implementation complexity especially on the encoder side, I do not believe that a numerical limit is worth its purported advantages. # Pros Determining the number of blocked streams has considerable computational complexity on the encoding side. While it is true that the encoder already has to keep track of all unacknowledged header blocks, it takes extra work to count the blocked ones. One approach is to keep a count of blocked streams that needs to be updated every time a header acknowledgement, an insert count increment, or a stream cancellation instruction is received. Examples include [nghttp3](https://github.com/ngtcp2/nghttp3/blob/master/lib/nghttp3_qpack.h#L239) and [Quinn](https://github.com/djc/quinn/blob/master/quinn-h3/src/qpack/dynamic.rs#L337). Another approach is to count blocked streams every time a new header list is encoded to determine if it is allowed to use unacknowledged references, by iterating through all unacknowledged header blocks at least until the limit is reached. An example is [QUICHE](https://quiche.googlesource.com/quiche/+/master/quic/core/qpack/qpack_blocking_manager.cc#74) (the Google one, not the Cloudflare one). Both approaches are considerably complex and thus error-prone to implement. The situation is further complicated by two factors. The first is that there can be multiple unacknowledged header blocks on each stream (in case of 1xx status code or trailing headers). The second is that if there is already a potentially blocking unacknowledged header block on a given stream, then referencing unacknowledged entries is always allowed in subsequent header blocks on the same stream regardless of the limit. This is one of the most complex requirements necessary to implement a blocking QPACK encoder, raising concerns of potential implementation bugs that could result in incorrect behavior, or vulnerability to CPU attacks due to buggy or suboptimal algorithms. Replacing the numerical limit with a Boolean would allow the encoder implementation to be much simplified. # Cons The desire for a limit on blocked streams is articulated at https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1140#issuecomment-371677474, and is further motivated by flow control considerations. The number of streams with blocked header blocks a is already limited by the number of bidirectional streams the peer can open, set by the decoder using the initial_max_streams_bidi transport parameter and the MAX_STREAMS frame. Since the total memory footprint of the objects representing a stream (including transport functionalities like buffering, ordering, flow control, and retransmissions) are not expected to be dominated by the footprint of the QPACK decoder and buffered header block (not considering the buffered data itself in either case), there is little additional value in selectively limiting the number of streams blocked on header block decoding given that the number of open streams is already limited. As for the issue of a blocked header block taking up a large amount of the flow control window, SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS only addresses this concern if the stream level flow control window multiplied by the blocked stream limit is less than the connection level flow control window. However, a typical decoder is expected to set the blocked stream limit to either zero or at least a dozen, and connection level flow control is typically only a few times larger than the stream level flow control for performance reasons. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3073 ----==_mimepart_5d94ac8672970_792a3fc2a64cd968214561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Proposal

Replace the numerical limit SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS on number of blocked
streams by a Boolean setting: if 0, the encoder MUST not send a header block
with Required Insert Count exceeding Known Insert Count and the decoder MUST
treat the receipt of such a header block as connection error. If 1, the number
of blocked streams is not directly limited.

Given the necessary implementation complexity especially on the encoder side, I
do not believe that a numerical limit is worth its purported advantages.

Pros

Determining the number of blocked streams has considerable computational
complexity on the encoding side. While it is true that the encoder already has
to keep track of all unacknowledged header blocks, it takes extra work to count
the blocked ones.

One approach is to keep a count of blocked streams that needs to be updated
every time a header acknowledgement, an insert count increment, or a stream
cancellation instruction is received. Examples include nghttp3 and
Quinn.

Another approach is to count blocked streams every time a new header list is
encoded to determine if it is allowed to use unacknowledged references, by
iterating through all unacknowledged header blocks at least until the limit is
reached. An example is QUICHE (the Google one, not the Cloudflare one).

Both approaches are considerably complex and thus error-prone to implement.

The situation is further complicated by two factors. The first is that there
can be multiple unacknowledged header blocks on each stream (in case of 1xx
status code or trailing headers). The second is that if there is already a
potentially blocking unacknowledged header block on a given stream, then
referencing unacknowledged entries is always allowed in subsequent header blocks
on the same stream regardless of the limit.

This is one of the most complex requirements necessary to implement a blocking
QPACK encoder, raising concerns of potential implementation bugs that could
result in incorrect behavior, or vulnerability to CPU attacks due to buggy or
suboptimal algorithms. Replacing the numerical limit with a Boolean would allow
the encoder implementation to be much simplified.

Cons

The desire for a limit on blocked streams is articulated at
#1140 (comment), and is
further motivated by flow control considerations.

The number of streams with blocked header blocks a is already limited by the
number of bidirectional streams the peer can open, set by the decoder using the
initial_max_streams_bidi transport parameter and the MAX_STREAMS frame. Since
the total memory footprint of the objects representing a stream (including
transport functionalities like buffering, ordering, flow control, and
retransmissions) are not expected to be dominated by the footprint of the QPACK
decoder and buffered header block (not considering the buffered data itself in
either case), there is little additional value in selectively limiting the
number of streams blocked on header block decoding given that the number of open
streams is already limited.

As for the issue of a blocked header block taking up a large amount of the flow
control window, SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS only addresses this concern if
the stream level flow control window multiplied by the blocked stream limit is
less than the connection level flow control window. However, a typical decoder
is expected to set the blocked stream limit to either zero or at least a dozen,
and connection level flow control is typically only a few times larger than the
stream level flow control for performance reasons.

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This proposal reduces complexity at the cost of flexibility. We cannot foresee all possible use cases for HTTP/3; this change to the draft may inadvertently make some usages impossible. Keep in mind that HTTP is not just for the web.

The current version of the draft allows an implementation to avoid complexity by both not allowing its peer to use blocked streams nor to risk any blocked streams itself.

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Sec 5.3.1 of quic-recovery discusses how to send loss probes. Now that this can be done at any crypto level, there ought to be some suggestions (are any MUSTs needed) on what crypto level to send probes at.

This is probably like the CONNECTION_CLOSE suggestion; if you have multiple levels, it may be good to coalesce some packets.

I'm working through the logic and may have some suggestions soon.

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I agree, #3066 would obviate this issue.

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----==_mimepart_5d950b83b6b2e_62833f87dd0cd95c1083c7-- From nobody Wed Oct 2 16:03:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D0F120112 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RcJPl6G09ZcW for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D03CC12010D for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 16:03:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570057391; bh=xz3Ll4WNmIDvqxKBa/MIc3MASiMRgKhQ8WLI1vvlam4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vRYd2NoE+VBgADrA9dTfimuemGO6L0tvAMMe5+kf5WnJJKv+Zh/+nkGQOkO0nzD3N Fq0sQf3U+2KjiXVjIcwnySS5WU++kdJc+v/RFAt/6Qx1E8l9PDUBXuAb0MISCZwAKL Y4UJR1wsB65yZqFJta2DkrBsQd3cAskHk7nqPsB8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Boolean blocked streams setting (#3073) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d952caf137ff_1d053f7e550cd95c22993f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 23:03:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d952caf137ff_1d053f7e550cd95c22993f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This proposal also allows no blocked streams, since I believe that is useful and blocked streams do add implementation complexity, so this proposal should not increase implementation complexity for anyone and should reduce it for most implementers. I'm not aware of a use case that needs a number of blocked streams larger than 0 and smaller than the max number of open streams allowed, but if there is one, I think we should detail it and ensure it can't be better solved by flow control or another mechanism. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3073#issuecomment-537717177 ----==_mimepart_5d952caf137ff_1d053f7e550cd95c22993f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This proposal also allows no blocked streams, since I believe that is useful and blocked streams do add implementation complexity, so this proposal should not increase implementation complexity for anyone and should reduce it for most implementers.

I'm not aware of a use case that needs a number of blocked streams larger than 0 and smaller than the max number of open streams allowed, but if there is one, I think we should detail it and ensure it can't be better solved by flow control or another mechanism.

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----==_mimepart_5d952caf137ff_1d053f7e550cd95c22993f-- From nobody Wed Oct 2 16:36:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DFD1200FF for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:36:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K8dSsj5M2iUr for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2709B1200F4 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 16:36:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570059363; bh=W9SMTfmmmD2/fDjHqmgSJp4ZriGshuectqy1P2FIpsE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MltWZrcptpfOm5BR+UkOKhibrkmmwzW724dwjVG7wx6B2JvPzZv+nOC4sgPTHI3h7 TkuP6+giZZzryiMb0oB+b7cnIap6cdvkhAACSrmbKGnscTSWGQ8u31+iujs6Z5Alag qwxcs+rk1jOobasRwYfWTSpWGdSAVxFQDinjM730= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Boolean blocked streams setting (#3073) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9534635d8ab_56223ff10cecd960454a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 23:36:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9534635d8ab_56223ff10cecd960454a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I might be in favor of seeing the proposed change. As @ianswett says, the flexibility that we would lose is very minor (i.e. the capability to limit the use of blocked streams to non-zero, but below MAX_STREAMS). I am not sure if there would be an HTTP application in which having such a requirement is important. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3073#issuecomment-537724588 ----==_mimepart_5d9534635d8ab_56223ff10cecd960454a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I might be in favor of seeing the proposed change.

As @ianswett says, the flexibility that we would lose is very minor (i.e. the capability to limit the use of blocked streams to non-zero, but below MAX_STREAMS). I am not sure if there would be an HTTP application in which having such a requirement is important.

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The only reason to set the limit under MAX_STREAMS I can think of is avoid too much of head of line blocking. If there is no evidence that numerical limit (fraction of MAX_STREAMS) brings better performance, then boolean thing would be better.

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I didn't find the numeric setting significantly more complicated to implement than a boolean setting. The diff that converted it from a boolean to a number touched about 25 lines of code in the encoder. I find that the bigger complexity comes from having the implementation allow both blocking and non-blocking.

proxygen uses the count, which is incremented when sending a header block with a potentially blocking reference and decremented on acks and cancellations. I don't decrement the count on Insert Count Increment, and I count multiple potentially blocking blocks on the same stream individually. Both of these make the implementation more conservative than necessary, but the code is pretty simple.

As for a use case, lately I've been working with our RPC over HTTP stack, which generally sets the stream limit in the 100k range. There's more of a case to be made for keeping the QPACK blocking limit lower than the stream limit when you've got a bonkers stream limit. When the stream limit is 100 or something else webish, 10 vs. 50 vs 100 doesn't seem super meaningful.

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This paragraph didn't seem to relate to anything else in the document:

A shorter delayed ack time of 25ms was chosen because longer delayed acks can delay loss recovery and for the small number of connections where less than packet per 25ms is delivered, acking every packet is beneficial to congestion control and loss recovery.

Is it left-over from a previous version?

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----==_mimepart_5d966f75e41cc_49003ffbe44cd96419818d-- From nobody Thu Oct 3 15:02:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3D812001E for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aOE2bQTEeIf for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C4D0120018 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 15:02:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570140157; bh=/Mt6Um6Q7uI+7jayxqH3avlBh02wHfPLB+n5F0oPtIo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GfUAvp+YCfBS+dn1N06t5gvVP9rkth7I6SL+v4+V8kRAqpf6uDDv6APr1m7iGzWSX BBexKVe8pflkMAVyIW3ydFfiw5iC8q5fMh9r8wzMeFyPcSFdjKHAfmVmuHXaatL+h6 8H01MbwTHAcB38ZcpJ6LP/12fuqETdQf2E29YoDI= From: Johannes Rudolph Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] SRTT vs. smoothed_rtt in quic-recovery (#3076) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d966ffd444d8_76aa3f982b2cd9602190d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jrudolph X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 22:02:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d966ffd444d8_76aa3f982b2cd9602190d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In section "Time Threshold", `SRTT` is used for the first time. I guess that would reference the same value before called `smoothed_rtt`? If that's the case they should be named the same. Further down in the same paragraph "smoothed SRTT" is used which is even more confusing. SRTT is used a few more times further down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3076 ----==_mimepart_5d966ffd444d8_76aa3f982b2cd9602190d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In section "Time Threshold", SRTT is used for the first time. I guess that would reference the same value before called smoothed_rtt? If that's the case they should be named the same. Further down in the same paragraph "smoothed SRTT" is used which is even more confusing. SRTT is used a few more times further down.

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Thanks for pointing this out.

The intent was to explain why 25ms was chosen, given it's smaller than most TCP implementations default delayed ack time.

There were more exceptions before, but now there's only the one, which makes the preceding paragraph awkward as well.
"The majority of constants were derived from best common practices among widely deployed TCP implementations on the internet. Exceptions follow."

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The recommendation for a 25ms delayed ack time is in transport, not recovery, so remove it from recovery.

Should this paragraph be moved to transport?

Fixes #3075

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I realized that the 25ms recommendation is in transport, so this is just out of place now.

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Sorry, that sentence seems to suggest that ack-eliciting packets have something to do with max ack delay. I've rephrased again. > @@ -190,6 +190,12 @@ QUIC packet: : A complete processable unit of QUIC that can be encapsulated in a UDP datagram. Multiple QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a single UDP datagram. +Ack-eliciting Packet: + +: A QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING. These cause a + recipient to send an acknowledgment within its maximum ACK delay ```suggestion recipient to send an acknowledgment (see {{sending-acknowledgements}}). ``` > @@ -190,6 +190,12 @@ QUIC packet: : A complete processable unit of QUIC that can be encapsulated in a UDP datagram. Multiple QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a single UDP datagram. +Ack-eliciting Packet: + +: A QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING. 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Sorry, that sentence seems to suggest that ack-eliciting packets have = something to do with max ack delay. I've rephrased again.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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----==_mimepart_5d968ff0d2682_7ff63f9cd76cd9601223d6-- From nobody Thu Oct 3 17:24:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805191208A2 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:24:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S1xN6fOCcVR8 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8526120889 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 17:24:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570148670; bh=xFJdNNALuFLQ67HpvkmWK6cE7aXxaV/qUOiyIh5eIsc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xMhJQWioNFF7zTY/Daa6e2ZUkEv4R/XRJOVlvMY0AHVyky0UsuwRM7ji6MloulaXV rwcIxpaMUK/iBCtRZFz6DodRgqONusDwHR3iGN31y5wBZYlE5yZc/veIKcYSRC4s1b iePFaVM4eo6zV6nDEXmypE39uuM5X00A+YCTJTxQ= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost Server Initial Takes Too Long to be Retransmitted (#3078) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d96913deaaf3_74223fd8d72cd964229596"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 00:24:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d96913deaaf3_74223fd8d72cd964229596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Generally, the server's first flight (of a 1-RTT connection attempt) has a single Initial packet and the rest is made up of 1 or more Handshake packets. If the UDP datagram containing the Initial packet is lost, the server only ends up retransmitting it based off the default RTT based PTO timer. If/when the client receives the Handshake packets that it can't decrypt (because the Initial was lost) then it has a (possible) signal that the server has responded, but a packet was lost. The client could use this info to immediately retransmit its Initial. If/when the server receives this, it could use this info to retransmit its Initial. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3078 ----==_mimepart_5d96913deaaf3_74223fd8d72cd964229596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Generally, the server's first flight (of a 1-RTT connection attempt) has a single Initial packet and the rest is made up of 1 or more Handshake packets. If the UDP datagram containing the Initial packet is lost, the server only ends up retransmitting it based off the default RTT based PTO timer.

If/when the client receives the Handshake packets that it can't decrypt (because the Initial was lost) then it has a (possible) signal that the server has responded, but a packet was lost. The client could use this info to immediately retransmit its Initial. If/when the server receives this, it could use this info to retransmit its Initial.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 3 17:27:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA451208A4 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsX3GQmbKcLy for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76169120889 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5171C0E29 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 17:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 17:27:10 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost Server Initial Takes Too Long to be Retransmitted (#3078) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9691decc451_c2b3f90036cd96451248"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 00:27:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9691decc451_c2b3f90036cd96451248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't this a special case of the EMPTY_ACK frame discussed earlier? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Isn't this a special case of the EMPTY_ACK frame discussed earlier?

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Yes, but the problem is the worst in this case, because the server doesn't have an RTT estimate, so it can't have an accurate PTO for retransmitting. Once it has received a single ACK, the PTO becomes a lot more accurate, and falling back to the PTO is a lot less painful.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 3 22:54:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061551200F5 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xn7hZIaAfLwH for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58CCC1200C1 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF8A6A03B5 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2019 22:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 22:54:05 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SRTT vs. smoothed_rtt in quic-recovery (#3076) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d96de7d7fdaf_3a223fdc838cd968100494"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 05:54:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d96de7d7fdaf_3a223fdc838cd968100494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was a cleanup a while ago to ensure definitions such as SRTT happened before use, but that might have been lost in recovery to transport migration? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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There was a cleanup a while ago to ensure definitions such as SRTT happened before use, but that might have been lost in recovery to transport migration?

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It's fine to omit this parameter. As @Lekensteyn notes, if the client supports multiple versions of QUIC, this helps avoid the need to do Version Negotiation. However, it's only an optimization -- in the absence of this information, the client does any version of QUIC it believes to be compatible with the ALPN token(s) it is offering. If the server needs to do VN, it will. (Details TBD, unfortunately.)

Is this critical to HTTP/3? No, and it could reasonably be extricated to a separate document until such time that there are multiple QUIC versions. Most stacks currently support only one version at a time, so this doesn't serve much purpose. If HTTP/3 doesn't require breaking changes to keep up with QUICvN, this probably serves a purpose on the day there are several.

Personal opinion: If anyone thinks this is half-baked, let's set it aside until we need it, with the rest of VN. If we're fairly confident this is what we want, however, it saves us the trouble of defining another separate RFC later.

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----==_mimepart_5d9785968978c_88d3f81d04cd95c1788c5-- From nobody Fri Oct 4 16:31:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116AD12002F for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 16:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQpifdRVkfxl for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65DA312001E for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1488C0026 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 16:31:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570231881; bh=5zDbWnjoLCFXyDGygHSLFrIB7ZkNb2JMuARcmt2KMGE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vBbeHwoTMb4WkcKzHUkgcaaPhfnOEegH90XrW45AIHRXpN+v1sRQ3a7Ibp4Qx+0Je lIOfIH1aQBgJJzl5zPj6Q8Lk4mtan6uH8rtH2orTuT+KNbPORsIYEIpw+gkU0JzDrQ PDMJGjjL9Hb9xnUY9pkaJIkrnC5Pe2J1hIEG/3Xk= Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 16:31:21 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unclear what to do when QUIC Version Hints are missing (#3061) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d97d6496e8de_37b03fd3d0ccd95c7038d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 23:31:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d97d6496e8de_37b03fd3d0ccd95c7038d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm worried that relying on clients to "do the right thing" might cause serious performance issues down the road. I'd prefer to either have explicit guidance, or remove this mechanism until we understand it better as @MikeBishop suggests. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3061#issuecomment-538591213 ----==_mimepart_5d97d6496e8de_37b03fd3d0ccd95c7038d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm worried that relying on clients to "do the right thing" might cause serious performance issues down the road. I'd prefer to either have explicit guidance, or remove this mechanism until we understand it better as @MikeBishop suggests.

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Fixes #3076

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  • Stop using SRTT

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Fixes #3078 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080 -- Commit Summary -- * Retransmit server initial upon second Initial -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080 ----==_mimepart_5d9a91b81ff08_17b83f7ff50cd96074179 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

When the second duplicate client Initial is received, the server SHOULD retransmit the contents of it's Initial to speed up the handshake.

Fixes #3078

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This problem also occurs when the server receives 0-RTT packets it cannot decrypt. In that case, it would be ideal if it could do something to indicate something was received but not processed. I guess it could send a PING in an Initial packet as an alternative to EMPTY_ACK?

I sent out a PR that I believe covers the most important points you mention. PTAL.

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

This is definitely an improvement. Thanks for writing it up! In addition to this, should we have text that says the client should/may immediately retransmit its initial packet if it gets a handshake packet it can't decrypt?

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----==_mimepart_5d9a929ce5c78_2d1b3fc5298cd95c164548-- From nobody Sun Oct 6 19:03:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415881207FC for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:03:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q4dIMrcgEKKP for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77F3912001E for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 19:03:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570413817; bh=YLY1bu1JqpXPiGc/UlqaImJuuasaaKbI8a8hfF3z094=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JmAek9x1JFvnejAKCSHpJ5JPmWOuiIaExyM+BAR3epP+1fOeU7JXVu+/N/M0cjxTK c8wkBMks4Mq6xdmRvW8VtwZl2FaExzSdgCT1JCwGtifvcU/oVCq+Kn6B0ea1Z2iZJ8 pTIvXSXa4Y/sYivaSBNLS9ujhULnQeFQ3PeiDI7A= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost Server Initial Takes Too Long to be Retransmitted (#3078) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9a9cf995937_15443fddaf8cd968211979"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 02:03:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9a9cf995937_15443fddaf8cd968211979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the problems here are: * Receiving a retransmit client Initial does not necessarily indicate a loss. It could simply be the case that the actual RTT is greater than the client's initial RTT. Do we want the server to retransmit packets in that case? Note that a client might use a small initial RTT when it is connecting to a server that it has previously connected to. * How the server detects a retransmission will become complicated if we adopt #3045. Considering these aspects, I might be weakly inclined to addressing the issue using an explicit signal, defined either within v1 or an extension. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3078#issuecomment-538815280 ----==_mimepart_5d9a9cf995937_15443fddaf8cd968211979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the problems here are:

  • Receiving a retransmit client Initial does not necessarily indicate a loss. It could simply be the case that the actual RTT is greater than the client's initial RTT. Do we want the server to retransmit packets in that case? Note that a client might use a small initial RTT when it is connecting to a server that it has previously connected to.
  • How the server detects a retransmission will become complicated if we adopt #3045.

Considering these aspects, I might be weakly inclined to addressing the issue using an explicit signal, defined either within v1 or an extension.

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In that case, it would be ideal if it could do something to indicate something was received but not processed. I think this falls into the category of black-holing invalid packets as they might easily come from an unwanted source. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3078#issuecomment-538892971 ----==_mimepart_5d9af703af3b1_6823f981b4cd964675530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This problem also occurs when the server receives 0-RTT packets it cannot decrypt. In that case, it would be ideal if it could do something to indicate something was received but not processed.

I think this falls into the category of black-holing invalid packets as they might easily come from an unwanted source.

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that says the client should/may immediately retransmit its initial packet if it gets a handshake packet it can't decrypt?

That could be an attack vector since you could send small invalid handshake packets. Not sure how efficient such an attack would be and we don't try too hard to avoid problems at this stage, as long as isn't an efficient amp attack.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation
 probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its
 Handshake or 1-RTT packets.
 
+When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending
+its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO
+data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged
+Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits.  After doing so,
+the PTO is re-armed.
+

Can we formulate duplicate crypto a bit more precise? Does it mean a valid crypto packet with the same packet number as seen before?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation
 probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its
 Handshake or 1-RTT packets.
 
+When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending
+its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO
+data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged
+Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits.  After doing so,
+the PTO is re-armed.
+

By CRYPTO data, I meant data sent in CRYPTO frames, which is why I used uppercase for CRYPTO.

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----==_mimepart_5d9b53a9ea13f_385b3fe8682cd964745d4-- From nobody Mon Oct 7 10:24:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE9B1200B3 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6KlG_vUYyi7s for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A211120073 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07D8A0D75 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570469071; bh=nAulGeNjBZOoMv9sHc+hbQKvBmxKtVeIw705RP/wlf0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tyq2u95MaeQBTcmg/97blUOYr7SZwiCh6ZmfuO0vA1k7Y6qFnCTiy+o6NpHQbg7Nf qx0oR5hqitI6dmTg5yYUGrcbViLFhpCw400/TWR+kXdsRuN/18/VAxLyIMW9PkJGpj gaFJe1oPDZsJ0mvK6fbgTEzKRR2wgS+C7Q9KpJj0= Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:24:31 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mention unidirectional Stream Types 2 and 3 (QPACK) in -http (#3071) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9b74cfa10b2_2eca3fb7446cd9602657b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:24:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9b74cfa10b2_2eca3fb7446cd9602657b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We can, and as QPACK is a required component of HTTP/3, you'd probably need to support QPACK for that to work. However, this is an extensible space and your dissector would need to tolerate other types it might not recognize, or that are added by future extensions. So the fact that there are definitions in other documents not mentioned by HTTP/3 is to be expected. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3071#issuecomment-539117906 ----==_mimepart_5d9b74cfa10b2_2eca3fb7446cd9602657b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We can, and as QPACK is a required component of HTTP/3, you'd probably need to support QPACK for that to work. However, this is an extensible space and your dissector would need to tolerate other types it might not recognize, or that are added by future extensions. So the fact that there are definitions in other documents not mentioned by HTTP/3 is to be expected.

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Fixes #3071.

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----==_mimepart_5d9b75b44d448_7a2c3f9a53ecd95c1880ab-- From nobody Mon Oct 7 10:40:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD3512010F for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W-zlQURrAT5s for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BF07120882 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:32:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570469533; bh=AVkt8RgAvTG62etn2XWT+O01V6AXZqZ4haZWSM9HQeA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QBEsPshCFyTtb9w90Is63+FYpPPSfwrliahR6tmBiYjMCzrL1uauaZBsi0p4pvrQO X+ikGclThYSHLwJukJtRNSht8AkOVkLYlO5qHZArLoMz80GY05GYIdrWv+++BWWhqv WRYNYFxTFPsWbW6AaqWyq+3A8GnkBnaA/WHqOCGY= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What if server does not send HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE but starts sending response (#2963) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9b769d8afae_487a3fc6130cd960148112"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:40:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9b769d8afae_487a3fc6130cd960148112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another potential case where the server would want to keep the client sending is where the server is performing some transformation (compress/decompress, transcode, en/decrypt, etc.) on the data sent by the client, and is doing the conversion in blocks as bytes are received rather than storing the full resource locally. The same recommendation stands -- unless the server exercises the option to tell the client to stop, the usual rules apply that the client needs to fully send the request to get a full response. Do we need text for this? I'd think that's already the default position. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2963#issuecomment-539121050 ----==_mimepart_5d9b769d8afae_487a3fc6130cd960148112 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Another potential case where the server would want to keep the client sending is where the server is performing some transformation (compress/decompress, transcode, en/decrypt, etc.) on the data sent by the client, and is doing the conversion in blocks as bytes are received rather than storing the full resource locally.

The same recommendation stands -- unless the server exercises the option to tell the client to stop, the usual rules apply that the client needs to fully send the request to get a full response. Do we need text for this? I'd think that's already the default position.

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----==_mimepart_5d9b769d8afae_487a3fc6130cd960148112-- From nobody Mon Oct 7 10:41:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A881200B3 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KIDOvuNKAU75 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D42D412004F for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3506A0449 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570470086; bh=Pk+F+O1iKi4i57eeK9AhYxiqdcWTPMrXrXzvFo1Sbe0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bSGhaQI7ZtYNYguDuGN1eV/LfQyEsWsOmMhweV7PmN59L/s2w6OzoBrsctd9m73by 3EknYzG0RVoX4IvgykSPBMYIiaL6uZ78IwJthIClf//YdCC6Y1JOzi0KtOMe4wTI5f h9U0l5kN9MTtKcpvBZt+ItIRs/2dkS3wB/ZejKKM= Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:41:26 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unclear what to do when QUIC Version Hints are missing (#3061) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9b78c6bbf20_40933fa6660cd9641827c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 17:41:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9b78c6bbf20_40933fa6660cd9641827c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was designed at a stage where QUIC had a fully-defined Version Negotiation mechanism. The client could offer any version -- in fact, was *encouraged* to offer a grease version -- on the first flight, and would learn the server's list of versions in response. But if you knew that list up front, either via Alt-Svc or because you've connected before, you could save a round-trip by selecting something that was on the list. And if your information was wrong, or stale... oh well, you get a VN packet and learn the correct list. Now, we don't have such a mechanism and receipt of a VN packet is fatal. There are two ways to look at this: - There is only one version, so we can define this mechanism once it can be paired with a version negotiation mechanism. - Getting the server's version wrong is fatal, and therefore this mechanism is essential. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3061#issuecomment-539124679 ----==_mimepart_5d9b78c6bbf20_40933fa6660cd9641827c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It was designed at a stage where QUIC had a fully-defined Version Negotiation mechanism. The client could offer any version -- in fact, was encouraged to offer a grease version -- on the first flight, and would learn the server's list of versions in response. But if you knew that list up front, either via Alt-Svc or because you've connected before, you could save a round-trip by selecting something that was on the list. And if your information was wrong, or stale... oh well, you get a VN packet and learn the correct list.

Now, we don't have such a mechanism and receipt of a VN packet is fatal. There are two ways to look at this:

  • There is only one version, so we can define this mechanism once it can be paired with a version negotiation mechanism.
  • Getting the server's version wrong is fatal, and therefore this mechanism is essential.

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@tatsuhiro-t writes:

If there is no evidence that numerical limit (fraction of MAX_STREAMS) brings better performance, then boolean thing would be better.

Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

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Assume a decoder receives the following data:

A: the first dynamic table insertion,
B: the second dynamic table insertion,
C: the third dynamic table insertion,
X: a header block with required insert count of one.

A, B, and C are guaranteed to be received in this order, because they are all on
the encoder stream. X arrives on a request stream, so its order relative to the
insertions is not guaranteed.

Consider the orders A, B, X, C, and A, X, B, C. Suppose the decoder sends a
Header Acknowledgement of the header block as soon as it is received (all
necessary entries are available by that time). This Header Acknowledgement
instruction increases the encoder's Known Received Count by one. Suppose that
after receiving C, the decoder decides to send an Insert Count Increment
instruction.

According to
https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html#insert-count-increment,
"The value of the Increment is the total number of dynamic table insertions and
duplications processed by the decoder since the last time it sent a Header
Acknowledgement instruction that increased the Known Received Count (see Section
2.1.4) or an Insert Count Increment instruction."

In the first case, one insertion (C) was processed since the last Header
Acknowledgment instruction that increased the Known Received Count was sent. In
the second case, two insertions (B and C).

I'm ready to address this issue with a PR but waiting for review of issue 2942 which would conflict.

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Ah, it needs to explicitly reference the Required Insert Count from the header block that was acked, rather than "since the last time". I think this is editorial, since that's the intent of the text.

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----==_mimepart_5d9ca9ea189ff_7e043ff0504cd968125666-- From nobody Tue Oct 8 08:33:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0698E1200B1 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDGol5eGN4hZ for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C66A120026 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968068C10D6 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 08:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570548795; bh=thVIVFeRfntvzNpMd2k2WFamZg8exA66OcO+wsnfgME=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pDUiNZg4CfaFllpw4XUiGJlqdBeS6mHwiMm+0lLoho8SUOevQGYyY5gfIsO3DapcZ dlwyEFB6o0y/SLai7MsD+Z6ZHlugqWD0LMMKeq/NOoTbMwx2sjJxqCe2798NE1/9sX bgPlcGRiynX5NeuctsUz+ZN4LLXLRd3hFCelJl20= Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 08:33:15 -0700 From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Insert Count Increment instruction description has race condition (#3082) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9cac3b87271_58c3f9ba8ccd96c1312ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:33:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9cac3b87271_58c3f9ba8ccd96c1312ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that it's editorial. In #2942 I'm already proposing to mandate both the encoder and the decoder to keep track of the Known Received Count. Then Insert Count Increment could simply increase Known Received Count, without any references to previously acked header blocks if any etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3082#issuecomment-539570716 ----==_mimepart_5d9cac3b87271_58c3f9ba8ccd96c1312ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree that it's editorial.

In #2942 I'm already proposing to mandate both the encoder and the decoder to keep track of the Known Received Count. Then Insert Count Increment could simply increase Known Received Count, without any references to previously acked header blocks if any etc.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 8 11:31:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87181200B9 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:31:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zniU0E8IOha0 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4235C120071 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97A6660837 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:31:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570559460; bh=pMTkxd6gfC1TCsJnAasGzVMiEwIUsf/K0vAaCJqEjZ0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KuZHLLEyj8o6L9m0QupEbZSLdZlmvoMI0S/8B7DFDpYFjM5zBxF3lQ5rWjrsG22Zz ktzEinHxeVpCnBerQIiV8auwl9PTKzoAsPWUA/+/+ug3KqrMOeCATWaX8ddhxZgQqe ILjsbtjVR9CtOMmXmwf0suB07mRDud9NO99iTKMY= Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 11:31:00 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Additional error cases for CANCEL_PUSH (#3083) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9cd5e4ca15a_40163f885d2cd95c382a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 18:31:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9cd5e4ca15a_40163f885d2cd95c382a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2819. Open to discussion about whether all of these are ID_ERROR or not. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083 -- Commit Summary -- * Additional error cases for CANCEL_PUSH -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (18) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083 ----==_mimepart_5d9cd5e4ca15a_40163f885d2cd95c382a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #2819. Open to discussion about whether all of these are ID_ERROR or not.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083

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  • Additional error cases for CANCEL_PUSH

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 8 12:27:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B658D120129 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsdIa83OFarY for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C864120033 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:27:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570562823; bh=d2HUGpg+pYe8hEPlgrGJKVPdcPIF+R09K3gJUa+yFK4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Pa5JOhsdua6IyntSMGtDfO5bOWouywPL6q6kra4Q/5HY7HjldzEkNp99wMIM102B/ aYAyFltrWFe/sfQLQXLmv0PFK9OIRtM1bb3xxis3PavfFApXJUp0K6UGh1JG6w4fiX nzFN+B0NuEsXkfly6NwtFQmGBLTFM1Jzcuvsu79k= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 57b722: Malformed under restrictions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:27:09 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/pseudoheader_constraints Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 57b722d3a32e364a57c497bb8ab88cdeaa991d72 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/57b722d3a32e364a57c497bb8ab88cdeaa991d72 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-10-08 (Tue, 08 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Malformed under restrictions From nobody Tue Oct 8 12:27:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF48120822 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CiLkL3jwCLm for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C9911200E5 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:27:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570562857; bh=L/wjYOcFRLhTNy6W/IG0eD5/CIOPoW+nrdkf7rBATXs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=LmNcpoOth0ykMCHzPzlLUlrawDpdEZ3PjC5PBZoMjz3e1TuDwmsqfiXGDjUqQefbb 5Cc5L56L9LTJD1BnyMQEGxr8fpjIpVzrwXP5MXHOw1QUyf/jx3DT+2DfFP/VGHKiX3 O6l5iV8sCwAtkrpPVPk5OmHSHI7stvVQOHnzjS/A= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 802a20: Script updating gh-pages from 57b722d3. 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 8 12:27:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D3E12007A for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0UoERhU0bhYN for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1527120813 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F975A049B for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:27:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570562866; bh=AzRplf1wN81FB740z1Pg65mMxDZ04L6MhT0XvfzjiKs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AbpKR3mThx1S3l+R3mi99bpD3SyMwtEL3VPPnsL2APlLT65vAcDksCCJtDvdgSBqn 8moblOw5mgLyrF0y320rMQeCXXIizeZ7Y8klO+9cN19Qj4oWKqCYxLT46nrt2bYYZh 6sxTI6xoG7PvJioqdRp2B77FHvSBWyKQL/ZpEF68= Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:27:46 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pseudo-header section reference (#3084) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9ce33212b2_17623ff518acd9681437f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 19:27:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9ce33212b2_17623ff518acd9681437f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #2966. The constraints of 8.1.2.1 apply to all requests, but I missed that there are additional requirements in 8.1.2.3 for requests and 8.1.2.4 for responses. I've broadened the statement to "the restrictions on the use of pseudo-headers in Section 8.1.2" to sweep them all up. Does anyone think we need pointers to each specific subsection? At Lucas's suggestion, I've also cross-referenced handling of malformed messages here, since those restrictions talk about what is malformed in a given context. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3084 -- Commit Summary -- * Broader section reference * Malformed under restrictions -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3084.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3084.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes #2966. The constraints of 8.1.2.1 apply to all requests, but I missed that there are additional requirements in 8.1.2.3 for requests and 8.1.2.4 for responses. I've broadened the statement to "the restrictions on the use of pseudo-headers in Section 8.1.2" to sweep them all up. Does anyone think we need pointers to each specific subsection?

At Lucas's suggestion, I've also cross-referenced handling of malformed messages here, since those restrictions talk about what is malformed in a given context.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3084

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Your extension could define a frame that simply means, "I pinky swear I won't ever use the old frames again." But then you have all the same cross-stream coordination issues.

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----==_mimepart_5d9ce3a272e24_28903fd025acd96c397eb-- From nobody Tue Oct 8 15:01:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF08312008C for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:01:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WpYoDE1sXDqe for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6ED1120020 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2019 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:01:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570572062; bh=+hjNI5rd4DbW0wbMvcsu7d/18A7jHyxVO126vaodNDE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pe1YuXe4+Oa1xfW6wmW6IOkO5dJAZ+Nhx3X3uGccMtGJq5fqrn0c/wC7hbMkYWE7O iQZUJlshP5BbrkNrvLdHZyUbrWyY1lP4mQBQ4gR/vY3CwQrBm/jVoDGD6rw3kpAMnS 2St9KkxYSoipZFfXJgExfnqqjseBWY+vH+pT3okI= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] H3 GOAWAY should be symmetric and cover bidi and uni streams (#2632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9d071e16eee_2baa3fedf34cd9681369d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:01:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9d071e16eee_2baa3fedf34cd9681369d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's more about challenging the assumption that stopping sending requests (or push credits) is the same as explicitly signaling your intent to close the connection. If the endpoint knows it will shutdown, it signals the peer, and the peer can take actions in response to ensure the close is graceful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-539722175 ----==_mimepart_5d9d071e16eee_2baa3fedf34cd9681369d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think it's more about challenging the assumption that stopping sending requests (or push credits) is the same as explicitly signaling your intent to close the connection. If the endpoint knows it will shutdown, it signals the peer, and the peer can take actions in response to ensure the close is graceful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -644,6 +647,27 @@ A client MAY attempt to send 0-RTT again if it receives a Retry or Version
 Negotiation packet.  These packets do not signify rejection of 0-RTT.
 
 
+## Validating 0-RTT Configuration
+
+When a server receives a ClientHello with the "early_data" extension, it has to
+decide whether to accept or reject early data from the client. Some of this
+decision is made by the TLS stack (e.g., checking that the cipher suite being
+resumed was included in the ClientHello; see Section 4.2.10 of {{!TLS13}}). Even
+when the TLS stack has no reason to reject early data, the QUIC stack or the
+application protocol using QUIC might reject early data because the
+configuration of the transport or application associated with the resumed
+session is not compatible with the server's current configuration.
+
+QUIC requires additional transport state to be associated with a 0-RTT session
+ticket. If stateless session tickets are used, this information must be stored
+in the session ticket. Application protocols that use QUIC might have similar

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@ekr is right that the PR doesn't resolve the original issue about the ordering. @martinthomson : is there a reason for the ordering?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -644,6 +647,27 @@ A client MAY attempt to send 0-RTT again if it receives a Retry or Version
 Negotiation packet.  These packets do not signify rejection of 0-RTT.
 
 
+## Validating 0-RTT Configuration
+
+When a server receives a ClientHello with the "early_data" extension, it has to
+decide whether to accept or reject early data from the client. Some of this
+decision is made by the TLS stack (e.g., checking that the cipher suite being
+resumed was included in the ClientHello; see Section 4.2.10 of {{!TLS13}}). Even
+when the TLS stack has no reason to reject early data, the QUIC stack or the
+application protocol using QUIC might reject early data because the
+configuration of the transport or application associated with the resumed
+session is not compatible with the server's current configuration.
+
+QUIC requires additional transport state to be associated with a 0-RTT session
+ticket. If stateless session tickets are used, this information must be stored
+in the session ticket. Application protocols that use QUIC might have similar

Would it work to change "If stateless session tickets are used, this information must be stored in the session ticket." to "If stateless session tickets are used, this information may be stored in the session ticket."?

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  • introduce special logic to spread out the data into two packets with a CRYPTO frame (gross)

IIUC, CRYPTO(off=0,len=0) can be used as a replacement for PING. There is no need to have special logic to spread out the data. So it's not as gross as it seems.

That said, considering the fact that we have PING in 1-RTT even though CRYPTO(off=0,len=0) can be used instead in 1-RTT also, I do not think there is a reason to argue against having PINGs for Initial and Handshake too.

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@janaiyengar It is the most straightforward way to send PTO and I see no downside, so yes.

That said, I know that many of our mechanisms (e.g. discarding keys) bake in assumptions about the handshake and who sends what and when, so maybe we should examine the implications of, for example, a client sending a Handshake PING before it gets any Handshake packets from the server.

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Really, governed by whatever I-D eventually defines our version negotiation mechanism.

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----==_mimepart_5d9deb0e434c6_33743f94786cd968126666-- From nobody Wed Oct 9 10:55:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F03B120A65 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCF02y1sQcdR for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD848120A58 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 10:55:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570643729; bh=X3fmV1FFGsFjCADnRmHMnRoPxLe0hpkFq8e5n7+KSgo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VqcdaTV0JkdQZKDXLd/g+NEHu9JxjBWXTy1ayhS6CwWmKPvWdJX0h/9bqFHITvlgF aMivCpkDASF9IuHwFXmz9iMFhJbEDCniWZoTsyTKUaMBFUtQEp1KDBy4fY///quKsV XR4QT1XgYi5vDKRQB/ksBkk9OvX/EuEAHKcr8TgA= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets (#3045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9e1f111cbe1_61a33f8c836cd960773ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:55:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9e1f111cbe1_61a33f8c836cd960773ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. The text of this PR looks good. I share the concern about whether we want to support multi-packet ClientHello messages, though the discussion (which should be on the issue, not the PR) seems fairly convincing that we'll need to do this at some point if we don't do it now. > @@ -570,11 +570,16 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated. ## ClientHello Size {#clienthello-size} -QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Though a -packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves -the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first -ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit. +The first Initial packet from a client contains the start or all of its first +cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Servers +might need to parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as +Server Name Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation +(ALPN)) in order to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection. +If the ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to +buffer the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if +the client's address has not yet been validated. To avoid this, servers MAY +use the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer Or address tokens, presumably? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045#pullrequestreview-299589290 ----==_mimepart_5d9e1f111cbe1_61a33f8c836cd960773ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The text of this PR looks good. I share the concern about whether we want to support multi-packet ClientHello messages, though the discussion (which should be on the issue, not the PR) seems fairly convincing that we'll need to do this at some point if we don't do it now.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -570,11 +570,16 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 ## ClientHello Size {#clienthello-size}
 
-QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire
-cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client contains the start or all of its first
+cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers
+might need to parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as
+Server Name Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation
+(ALPN)) in order to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.
+If the ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to
+buffer the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if
+the client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY
+use the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer

Or address tokens, presumably?

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This will make the process more robust, as the process of splitting a datagram into packets could cause the token to be split. We recommend sending a packet (and one that can't be coalesced to boot). This was always going to be a single packet datagram anyway, so this shouldn't affect implementations much.

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Not sure if this is editorial or not. We already require sending to be a whole datagram:

A stateless reset uses an entire UDP datagram, [...]

So this could be seen to match things up. But it could require code changes in implementations, so I'm leaning toward design.

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This allows endpoints to decide whether to process every packet this way or to just treat those that fail to be processed for other reasons. This also switches to detection on a *datagram* basis. Closes #3085. 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Reading comprehension fail on my part. I've tweaked the proposed fix to account for this. Specifically: > This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip this check if packets from a datagram are successfully processed. However, the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or is identified as a duplicate. Note that I've switched this to datagram rather than packet, so match the sending and to allow for variations in how packets are assembled into datagrams. I think that fixes it, but I'll wait for input on the new changes before reattaching `proposal-ready`. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Oh, I completely missed the question about ordering in there. Reading comprehension fail on my part. I've tweaked the proposed fix to account for this. Specifically:

This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip this check if packets from a datagram are successfully processed. However, the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or is identified as a duplicate.

Note that I've switched this to datagram rather than packet, so match the sending and to allow for variations in how packets are assembled into datagrams.

I think that fixes it, but I'll wait for input on the new changes before reattaching proposal-ready.

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(#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9e936da062c_10543fd4580cd96c70040"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:12:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9e936da062c_10543fd4580cd96c70040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The insight I had here was this: If you are sending Initial, it is possible that this is the only packet in the datagram that can be processed by your peer. If that is the case, then a client needs to ensure that it pads the datagram as though no other packets were present. You can infer from the fact that you have Handshake keys that the server is able to process Handshake packets, and then extend that to say that if you include Handshake packets then the server won't need padding. But then you can extend that inference to saying that there is no need to send any Initial packets (as the current draft does; currently, you are not required to keep Initial keys once you are sending with Handshake keys). Either way, I figure that it is better to keep things simple and say "if Initial, pad". In those cases where padding ends up being excessive, it's only excessive for a short while. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The insight I had here was this:

If you are sending Initial, it is possible that this is the only packet in the datagram that can be processed by your peer. If that is the case, then a client needs to ensure that it pads the datagram as though no other packets were present.

You can infer from the fact that you have Handshake keys that the server is able to process Handshake packets, and then extend that to say that if you include Handshake packets then the server won't need padding. But then you can extend that inference to saying that there is no need to send any Initial packets (as the current draft does; currently, you are not required to keep Initial keys once you are sending with Handshake keys).

Either way, I figure that it is better to keep things simple and say "if Initial, pad". In those cases where padding ends up being excessive, it's only excessive for a short while.

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@afrind Can you clarify what your current proposal is? Is it to move GOAWAY to transport or keep it in H3 and make it bidi?

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I observed that the size of ticket OpenSSL issues if client certificate is used becomes quite large and it does not fit into a single QUIC packet.

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If you are sending Initial, it is possible that this is the only packet in the datagram that can be processed by your peer. If that is the case, then a client needs to ensure that it pads the datagram as though no other packets were present.

I don't know where you get this from. It's total datagram size that matters, not the contents of the rest of the datagram (which is why the neqo padding strategy works).

Anyway, the algorithm you propose seems fine, but it's not necessary, and therefore there's no need to specify it in the spec.

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It's total datagram size that matters, not the contents of the rest of the datagram (which is why the neqo padding strategy works).

This was my thought too.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1071,7 +1071,8 @@ When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the
 identified server push.  If the server has not yet started to send the server
 push, it can use the receipt of a CANCEL_PUSH frame to avoid opening a push
 stream.  If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD

"has been opened" is now a bit odd without any qualification, since it's possible it's been opened and subsequently closed.

How about "If the push stream is open, the server SHOULD abruptly terminate that stream."

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1093,10 +1094,15 @@ error of type HTTP_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 
 The CANCEL_PUSH frame carries a Push ID encoded as a variable-length integer.
 The Push ID identifies the server push that is being cancelled (see
-{{frame-push-promise}}).
+{{frame-push-promise}}).  If a CANCEL_PUSH frame is received which references a
+Push ID greater than currently allowed on the connection, this MUST be treated

Should this only be enforced by the client, given it's the one limiting the number of pushes? The next paragraph discusses the server closing the connection when the client sends a CANCEL_PUSH mentioning a push ID that's never been used by the server.

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If you are sending Initial, it is possible that this is the only packet in the datagram that can be processed by your peer. If that is the case, then a client needs to ensure that it pads the datagram as though no other packets were present.

I don't know where you get this from. It's total datagram size that matters, not the contents of the rest of the datagram (which is why the neqo padding strategy works).

I'm not seeing a conflict between these statements. If the packet contains an Initial, the total datagram size must be at least 1200 bytes. You can achieve this by padding any packet in the payload; I don't think anyone is advocating for requiring the padding be in a particular spot.

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I don't understand what "pads the datagram as though no other packets were present" is supposed to mean, then.

The way neqo does this is that it puts the packets in the datagram and then pads the rest, without any regard to what keys the server might have.

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----==_mimepart_5d9fa3e09df9b_6c573facb04cd9601390bb-- From nobody Thu Oct 10 14:51:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE9F1200CD for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ERkZQ3eQ3yJ for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D80C120041 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 14:51:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570744312; bh=dRYfPaVTCfX+szOlo8fv2o+e+JzvpP9m9VyKTC/2ews=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UbwxtPuzo2/LlkUwwaimEljYUgBiFXM06cv/EvcgUt1xxZzcWjsrmVBvG/DJWoReQ OWzsIX5EdeK5BFHhDDILwSDUC0lIqc+xsrU+fkUsIsLcTWkWrMsqLJk94owipO/W+Y 2KB8T1w3ofURaVPb45X6FCWcUkUU3Ca4iE5x9rsA= From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add application parameters to QUIC handshake and use it for H3 SETTINGS (#3086) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9fa7f863fc3_6c4d3facb04cd960197358"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:51:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9fa7f863fc3_6c4d3facb04cd960197358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was brought up on the list: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/0ibfDvI7GndUOf3eqQZXf0aEQLA. The summary of the proposal is to provide a place in the crypto/transport handshake where the application can negotiate application parameters in the same round trip as the crypto handshake. The purpose of this is to ensure that when the first application data packet is sent (under 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys), the endpoint sending it knows how its peer will interpret it, instead of needing to spend a round trip of application messages to negotiate settings/parameters for the application. The other part of this proposal is to move H3 SETTINGS into this new application parameters mechanism. My summary of the thread so far (please correct me if it's incomplete or inaccurate) is that some people want this to be considered as a v2 feature: there are concerns about getting a design that will work for all future protocols that might run on QUIC; there are also concerns about working on this delaying v1. I think that the application parameters mechanism (at least in v1) doesn't need to solve the problem perfectly for every conceivable application, but simply needs to be "good enough" for most applications. I also think that some of the complexity (e.g. some application protocols being particularly verbose in their negotiation) will need to be solved in the spec for running a specific application over QUIC. Whatever we do in v1 for H3 will likely be the model for other applications using QUIC (in v1 or future versions of QUIC). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3086 ----==_mimepart_5d9fa7f863fc3_6c4d3facb04cd960197358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This was brought up on the list: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/0ibfDvI7GndUOf3eqQZXf0aEQLA.

The summary of the proposal is to provide a place in the crypto/transport handshake where the application can negotiate application parameters in the same round trip as the crypto handshake. The purpose of this is to ensure that when the first application data packet is sent (under 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys), the endpoint sending it knows how its peer will interpret it, instead of needing to spend a round trip of application messages to negotiate settings/parameters for the application.

The other part of this proposal is to move H3 SETTINGS into this new application parameters mechanism.

My summary of the thread so far (please correct me if it's incomplete or inaccurate) is that some people want this to be considered as a v2 feature: there are concerns about getting a design that will work for all future protocols that might run on QUIC; there are also concerns about working on this delaying v1.

I think that the application parameters mechanism (at least in v1) doesn't need to solve the problem perfectly for every conceivable application, but simply needs to be "good enough" for most applications. I also think that some of the complexity (e.g. some application protocols being particularly verbose in their negotiation) will need to be solved in the spec for running a specific application over QUIC.

Whatever we do in v1 for H3 will likely be the model for other applications using QUIC (in v1 or future versions of QUIC).

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 10 16:34:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF58120113 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96-bo94HH9Qj for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E2E71200B6 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477472C173F for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:34:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570750494; bh=z+Q08ZXpx2/g0LSv6m6jKLi7N10VJEhb9719+slAKls=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=00jbhUXBSNZQYt5PCE4M8wdsDHX/c3A2dFgTTovpaVjVzg6P7tei9eGUUqnMKNYzm pMpteRNIeczca5E01H8KOd3d+EpqGdGHUD+i46q3F4ya6a0HCdKEqJ0+kk//riLwO4 eR/kWGKeFPpGFh85ZFeaqSDuPDaUVym4RpjlhWV4= Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:34:54 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove obsolete 'Discussion' section (#3077) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9fc01e39002_2be3fdb206cd9601154a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:34:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9fc01e39002_2be3fdb206cd9601154a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that it's fine to just cut this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think that it's fine to just cut this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation
 probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its
 Handshake or 1-RTT packets.
 
+When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending
+its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO
+data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged
+Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits.  After doing so,
+the PTO is re-armed.

The server can't arm the PTO prior to confirming that the path is valid.

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----==_mimepart_5d9fc48150a57_2b9a3f8029ccd95c165145-- From nobody Thu Oct 10 16:58:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E7F120137 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:58:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54Os_8xT8IPa for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D9F61200C1 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9D7A04F3 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570751890; bh=prLvDBgxygnYXixJmmMZoQS4mtbWARgQXw1TwMHr4zY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=K+OCLpWXuUjyw/BW8Ngu6p+5Ij/fdCH+uAsfCi22XTJSXFmcWEPfzDWqkDXDpr51K BZArrLSnHpTKqbf4GeVFNpLSOTSvEnxcV3JuXZhjNISgjR2zSuUmaCexRsDlHg7ZF4 bDRJbqrOIxluqbevzgnGcoAuHWdX4d+8cGMVQXsc= Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:58:10 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe interaction between QUIC and TLS regarding saved 0-RTT state (#2947) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d9fc5927b577_1ab53fd0508cd95c103345"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:58:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d9fc5927b577_1ab53fd0508cd95c103345 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -644,6 +647,27 @@ A client MAY attempt to send 0-RTT again if it receives a Retry or Version Negotiation packet. These packets do not signify rejection of 0-RTT. +## Validating 0-RTT Configuration + +When a server receives a ClientHello with the "early_data" extension, it has to +decide whether to accept or reject early data from the client. Some of this +decision is made by the TLS stack (e.g., checking that the cipher suite being +resumed was included in the ClientHello; see Section 4.2.10 of {{!TLS13}}). Even +when the TLS stack has no reason to reject early data, the QUIC stack or the +application protocol using QUIC might reject early data because the +configuration of the transport or application associated with the resumed +session is not compatible with the server's current configuration. + +QUIC requires additional transport state to be associated with a 0-RTT session +ticket. If stateless session tickets are used, this information must be stored +in the session ticket. Application protocols that use QUIC might have similar That would be fine. The use of "must", implying "MUST", is a little too strong. I would probably say that the choice of location (NEW_TOKEN vs NST) is an implementation-dependent one. Implementations might want to use NST as that has better fate-sharing and they might not want to concern themselves with path validation for 0-RTT (or to allow a limited amount of 0-RTT in the case the token is bad). Or, they could insist on a token and strong path validation, so moving the larger state necessary for 0-RTT into the token makes more sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2947#discussion_r333782081 ----==_mimepart_5d9fc5927b577_1ab53fd0508cd95c103345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -644,6 +647,27 @@ A client MAY attempt to send 0-RTT again if it receives a Retry or Version
 Negotiation packet.  These packets do not signify rejection of 0-RTT.
 
 
+## Validating 0-RTT Configuration
+
+When a server receives a ClientHello with the "early_data" extension, it has to
+decide whether to accept or reject early data from the client. Some of this
+decision is made by the TLS stack (e.g., checking that the cipher suite being
+resumed was included in the ClientHello; see Section 4.2.10 of {{!TLS13}}). Even
+when the TLS stack has no reason to reject early data, the QUIC stack or the
+application protocol using QUIC might reject early data because the
+configuration of the transport or application associated with the resumed
+session is not compatible with the server's current configuration.
+
+QUIC requires additional transport state to be associated with a 0-RTT session
+ticket. If stateless session tickets are used, this information must be stored
+in the session ticket. Application protocols that use QUIC might have similar

That would be fine. The use of "must", implying "MUST", is a little too strong.

I would probably say that the choice of location (NEW_TOKEN vs NST) is an implementation-dependent one. Implementations might want to use NST as that has better fate-sharing and they might not want to concern themselves with path validation for 0-RTT (or to allow a limited amount of 0-RTT in the case the token is bad). Or, they could insist on a token and strong path validation, so moving the larger state necessary for 0-RTT into the token makes more sense.

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NSS does the same because it puts the entire certificate (if not the certification path) into the ticket.

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Imprecise wording on my part. "pads the datagram as though no other packets were present" might be better as "as though no other packets can be processed by the server".

Let's keep in mind that the proposed changes is just striking "only" in "Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, [...]".

I agree that this will result in larger packets than are ideal in a couple of cases. But the ACK-only Initial packets a client sent are most likely coalesced with other packets outside of cases where the padding is genuinely required.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1071,7 +1071,8 @@ When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the
 identified server push.  If the server has not yet started to send the server

How about reorganizing this section with one paragraph like this that starts with "When a server receives this frame, ..." and have another with "When a client receives this frame, ..." since the roles are completely asymmetric I believe?

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I'm sorry, but I still don't see what benefit this change provides. Perhaps this would be easier next week.

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BoringSSL as well.

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To me, there are two clear approaches:

  1. Add application negotiation to the handshake
  2. Make the application implement negotiation

Currently QUIC and HTTP/3 use the 2nd approach, and you're suggesting the 1st.

If those are the only two (reasonable) options, then adding application parameters allows HTTP/3 to do 1, while still allowing other applications to do 2, if they choose. This provides more options for future applications, not fewer in my opinion.

Strictly speaking, I don't think this is necessary for v1, but I think this is something we'll want soon and I believe it is a net reduction in complexity for HTTP/3(please tell me if I'm wrong about that).

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I don't believe #3045 complicates things substantially, because if only one UDP datagram is lost, then you would expect to receive an ACK in a relatively short period(no ack delay) of time and loss recovery could function quite well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation
 probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its
 Handshake or 1-RTT packets.
 
+When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending
+its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO
+data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged
+Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits.  After doing so,
+the PTO is re-armed.

The server can't send if it's limited by the amplification factor, but the PTO can be armed otherwise.

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The change makes it clear that if you send Initial+0-RTT then you should still pad to 1200. That's all. Previously, you would not have been required to pad, which would have been bad.

Most of the debate and discussion is about the knock-on consequences of applying the broader rule, which I don't think are that important. And yes, the whole "when do you discard Initial keys" thing does confound things a little.

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I think that Ian's assessment is broadly correct. The downsides of the move, are that it increases the complexity of the transport by about the same, if not more, than it helps h3. And it's not clear that a simple pair of declarations (this doesn't work as a negotiation when you are generically useful for other protocols.

The limitations of the mechanism - specifically regarding confidentiality - of a mechanism that uses transport parameters or similar aren't nice for a generic mechanism. If I was inclined toward a fix, then I would prefer something along the lines of what @kazuho suggested elsewhere, which could involve more encryption, but also more complexity with no real guarantee of the resulting mechanism being generically useful.

That's why I'm firmly in the v2 camp here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation
 probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its
 Handshake or 1-RTT packets.
 
+When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending
+its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO
+data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged
+Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits.  After doing so,
+the PTO is re-armed.

The way I read this, it says that you retransmit then you re-arm the PTO timer.

I think that you mean to say that when the path is validated, you can re-arm the PTO timer after retransmitting the CRYPTO data, but that's not what it says.

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----==_mimepart_5d9ff34552025_47133f85786cd968284370-- From nobody Thu Oct 10 22:45:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3D112004C for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:45:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iTw8cClO5liH for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CC3E12003E for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 22:45:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570772747; bh=k+cMKb4V6hEf+KgO5jw5Ck+eCgBFob3J9BfS4dgbINs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kWhxLEFysrpkZ+2aBtPJG/mTAlvSsZCP0oF9E/KgWAaYX61XToJJVwjg3+31IvnHA wz8o/ItOE7iG3bXdSHG0AsC0lsNHcJ69NPSF2QCgY+QTeQG+77XdJFAiIsBGudpai+ yPlrs4AFrE0YjkIP0JeBkMbdLzh8yOyQpGYcPk8c= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add application parameters to QUIC handshake and use it for H3 SETTINGS (#3086) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da0170b4f04b_189a3f85332cd95c33697b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:45:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da0170b4f04b_189a3f85332cd95c33697b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nharper I believe you forgot to mention that early settings are not protected which can lead to privacy concerns both in terms of fingerprinting (but it has been argued that this is no worse than what already is), and in terms of actually reading the data. The last part is a concern because we already have problems with host names not being protected properly in the current form. You could encrypt early parameters with a symmetric key that is only learned post handshake, but I'm not sure if you can do this without introducing delays. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3086#issuecomment-540917489 ----==_mimepart_5da0170b4f04b_189a3f85332cd95c33697b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@nharper I believe you forgot to mention that early settings are not protected which can lead to privacy concerns both in terms of fingerprinting (but it has been argued that this is no worse than what already is), and in terms of actually reading the data. The last part is a concern because we already have problems with host names not being protected properly in the current form. You could encrypt early parameters with a symmetric key that is only learned post handshake, but I'm not sure if you can do this without introducing delays.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1093,10 +1094,15 @@ error of type HTTP_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 
 The CANCEL_PUSH frame carries a Push ID encoded as a variable-length integer.
 The Push ID identifies the server push that is being cancelled (see
-{{frame-push-promise}}).
+{{frame-push-promise}}).  If a CANCEL_PUSH frame is received which references a
+Push ID greater than currently allowed on the connection, this MUST be treated

I think there are two effective limits - the maximum allowed push ID and the maximum used push ID. So if I understand Ian's point, there is not a situation where a client can issue a CANCEL_PUSH that violates the maximum allowed push ID without first triggering the violation of the maximum used push ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1071,7 +1071,8 @@ When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the
 identified server push.  If the server has not yet started to send the server
 push, it can use the receipt of a CANCEL_PUSH frame to avoid opening a push
 stream.  If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD

The logic there is that, even if the stream is closed (FIN sent), there might still be value in sending a RESET_STREAM to abort any retransmissions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1093,10 +1094,15 @@ error of type HTTP_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 
 The CANCEL_PUSH frame carries a Push ID encoded as a variable-length integer.
 The Push ID identifies the server push that is being cancelled (see
-{{frame-push-promise}}).
+{{frame-push-promise}}).  If a CANCEL_PUSH frame is received which references a
+Push ID greater than currently allowed on the connection, this MUST be treated

The server can issue a CANCEL_PUSH for a push it wasn't allowed to send, which the client should treat as an error. And since CANCEL_PUSH and MAX_PUSH_ID are on the control stream, if the client uses a Push ID greater than it has permitted, that also seems invalid.

However, in the latter case, I can believe there are implementations where that ordering isn't maintained within the client, so perhaps we should relax that one.

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As discussed on #2945, I think the complexity is in having something in the transport parameters (the server settings) that depends on the protocols selected in the ALPN extension, which in turn depends on the set of possibilities the client offered. There's currently nothing that has a similar chain of dependencies.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -644,6 +647,27 @@ A client MAY attempt to send 0-RTT again if it receives a Retry or Version
 Negotiation packet.  These packets do not signify rejection of 0-RTT.
 
 
+## Validating 0-RTT Configuration
+
+When a server receives a ClientHello with the "early_data" extension, it has to
+decide whether to accept or reject early data from the client. Some of this
+decision is made by the TLS stack (e.g., checking that the cipher suite being
+resumed was included in the ClientHello; see Section 4.2.10 of {{!TLS13}}). Even
+when the TLS stack has no reason to reject early data, the QUIC stack or the
+application protocol using QUIC might reject early data because the
+configuration of the transport or application associated with the resumed
+session is not compatible with the server's current configuration.
+
+QUIC requires additional transport state to be associated with a 0-RTT session
+ticket. If stateless session tickets are used, this information must be stored
+in the session ticket. Application protocols that use QUIC might have similar

The intention of that sentence was to say that most likely you're using stateless tickets and storing this additional state in the ticket, so I reworded it to say that.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 11 13:42:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CBF12010D for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XRl56YUITXbQ for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33DDB1200DF for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7B5120B33 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:42:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570826540; bh=newfHpB0vZBCrBWSxi4+xhp/Oe7BN6vbQTzRMW52oKE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2IYQl5dMUFE9JHQP7Yhe61jad/hfv7M3FKgJFFSWLYdz4wvEG+/zuaa1bBKLOWIkc 13TKit++Bil2R7Jgu8CMUpvgHKjdAXzF90GpSnnEQZWD8jgthRz8GyE0CQTQw/oDW5 U0X+Up7xCbEEZbpZEfTGhn7xQ5Vuq6jpgrphM0RM= Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:42:20 -0700 From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add application parameters to QUIC handshake and use it for H3 SETTINGS (#3086) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da0e92c682e6_7c6b3fbbc06cd96c602d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:42:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da0e92c682e6_7c6b3fbbc06cd96c602d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree that moving this from H3 to the transport makes the transport more complicated than it simplifies H3. The additional complexity to the transport is setting on the client a map of ALPN identifiers to application layer blobs of data (opaque to the transport), on the server setting a blob of data based on the ALPN, and getting the params sent by the peer. Making this change to H3 means we remove the complexity of migrating from the default SETTINGS for a connection to the SETTINGS received some time later. It also reduces the complexity of binding SETTINGS to the NST for 0-RTT: on the server the SETTINGS is now in TP which already needs to be remembered, and the client now doesn't need to wait for SETTINGS to arrive after a NST to store them. It also removes the edge case where a client might do 0-RTT resumption without any remembered SETTINGS. This also removes the need for an H3 client to decide whether to send a request under default SETTINGS or wait for SETTINGS to arrive from the server. I also disagree that this change introduces new meaningful complexity to generating the server's transport parameters message. The server needs to read the client's ALPN list and choose one that the server is configured for (this isn't new), and now it needs to when choosing the ALPN also choose the appropriate application parameters to go with that ALPN. For H3, the server will need those SETTINGS shortly after in the handshake when sending a NST so it can bind the SETTINGS to the NST. Likely the SETTINGS are constant, so it can be configured before accepting the connection with what the SETTINGS are and do a lookup to get those SETTINGS when sending ALPN. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3086#issuecomment-541216958 ----==_mimepart_5da0e92c682e6_7c6b3fbbc06cd96c602d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I disagree that moving this from H3 to the transport makes the transport more complicated than it simplifies H3.

The additional complexity to the transport is setting on the client a map of ALPN identifiers to application layer blobs of data (opaque to the transport), on the server setting a blob of data based on the ALPN, and getting the params sent by the peer.

Making this change to H3 means we remove the complexity of migrating from the default SETTINGS for a connection to the SETTINGS received some time later. It also reduces the complexity of binding SETTINGS to the NST for 0-RTT: on the server the SETTINGS is now in TP which already needs to be remembered, and the client now doesn't need to wait for SETTINGS to arrive after a NST to store them. It also removes the edge case where a client might do 0-RTT resumption without any remembered SETTINGS. This also removes the need for an H3 client to decide whether to send a request under default SETTINGS or wait for SETTINGS to arrive from the server.

I also disagree that this change introduces new meaningful complexity to generating the server's transport parameters message. The server needs to read the client's ALPN list and choose one that the server is configured for (this isn't new), and now it needs to when choosing the ALPN also choose the appropriate application parameters to go with that ALPN. For H3, the server will need those SETTINGS shortly after in the handshake when sending a NST so it can bind the SETTINGS to the NST. Likely the SETTINGS are constant, so it can be configured before accepting the connection with what the SETTINGS are and do a lookup to get those SETTINGS when sending ALPN.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 11 13:53:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7276D1200B4 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:53:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jDnSeXkGZslX for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF2C51200B8 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162D91C0914 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:53:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570827187; bh=Zr9EcNKUyJjK4ATw3OYgeTpmwZJCMyGBu1kKKCUJQ5U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aYAvjGzm9YS0dUw5u6Y7MzmkOgoqjQ1nWSU4gW4Lnyq5Ucf03KrIiSuAT1MGF/+Rj BwZLes73gilmTI/EO7u6G32/8ViUHbhFon1Q+LcrV0irQkkDq/Ne8NmbMQmNquUmdZ Vu9RUa3aJRRLz2/N8YEj4zm6zEgnwY9rNZyiqGw4= Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:53:07 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retransmit server initial upon second Initial (#3080) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da0ebb3708b_7c6f3fbbc06cd96c1830b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:53:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da0ebb3708b_7c6f3fbbc06cd96c1830b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its Handshake or 1-RTT packets. +When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending +its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO +data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged +Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits. After doing so, +the PTO is re-armed. The PTO can be armed prior to path validation, but the text said it always was, which is wrong, so I reworded the paragraph. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r334170140 ----==_mimepart_5da0ebb3708b_7c6f3fbbc06cd96c1830b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation
 probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its
 Handshake or 1-RTT packets.
 
+When a server receives duplicate CRYPTO data in an Initial packet after sending
+its Initial flight, it can assume the client did not receive all Initial CRYPTO
+data. To speed handshake completion, it SHOULD retransmit all unacknowledged
+Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits.  After doing so,
+the PTO is re-armed.

The PTO can be armed prior to path validation, but the text said it always was, which is wrong, so I reworded the paragraph.

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This PR moves transport parameters away from TLS presentation language to instead use QUIC notation. This allows us to encode small integer transport parameters as 3 bytes instead of 5, but the main goal is to make the identifiers a 62-bit space which will allow uncoordinated experiments without risking collisions.

This fixes #3020.

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  • Make transport parameters varint

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Regarding the confidentiality of this mechanism:

I am assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that the contents advertised in the client's application parameters are no more confidential than transport parameters. In H3, both the transport parameters and SETTINGS are effectively constant per implementation - any identifying bit leaked by the H3 SETTINGS is also leaked by the transport parameters. My assumption is that other future applications using this mechanism will be similar in the amount of (non) leakage, but that can be analyzed on a per-application basis.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1093,10 +1094,15 @@ error of type HTTP_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 
 The CANCEL_PUSH frame carries a Push ID encoded as a variable-length integer.
 The Push ID identifies the server push that is being cancelled (see
-{{frame-push-promise}}).
+{{frame-push-promise}}).  If a CANCEL_PUSH frame is received which references a
+Push ID greater than currently allowed on the connection, this MUST be treated

SG, I think I'm ok with this then. I still find this section a bit of a hard read, but I don't have any specific suggestions.

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This doesn't seem to have consensus, based on the issue discussion

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Agreed, the issue has not reached consensus yet. I wrote this PR to better describe what I was trying to change in the issue.

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I realized that the 25ms recommendation is in transport, so this is just out of place now.

Ah, I see, I remember I went looking for it in transport, but I think I looked for "delayed ack" and didn't come up with anything fitting. I've got no concrete suggestion how to resolve it but moving the notice to transport in some form would probably make sense.

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----==_mimepart_5da1c7ff9f26f_55ca3ffd18acd960362052-- From nobody Sat Oct 12 05:57:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0968C120854 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 05:57:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kbyfm05EzFxj for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 05:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 209DC120033 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 05:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F82660076 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 05:57:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570885051; bh=4AQhYfrClAIIMJowkho/6hG72Z0toeEBlGfR5wCuxao=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RY8XafJyf1koOxfkcxwd5ZylzNEBYrbW0bXacSLE6RTWAzz8lL8OB/On2YephNVIs F0t9cGtqT6IGzCwH/0+st6WLmNstLiwLdpeZPplGZkTcrA1scYL+RQU8tSoA1pF7yh DBtNMe5ubplKpFPg88i2/8hYswiLkDLXw5/VBlms= Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 05:57:31 -0700 From: Johannes Rudolph Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Congestion control section in recovery migth be easier to understand if it was self-contained (#3088) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da1cdbb66856_75043fefaa4cd964779368"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jrudolph X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:57:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da1cdbb66856_75043fefaa4cd964779368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It starts like this: > QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP NewReno {{?RFC6582}}. The next sections below roughly describe the behavior of different phases of congestion control. More concrete pseudo-code is only given in the Appendix later on but it's not linked from the original section. On first reading, I missed the Appendix and felt the text lacking for concrete enough explanations to implement the feature. The question is what to describe where and what the authoritative definitions should be. If you know the NewReno RFC by heart you can probably make the right inferences to figure out how everything should work in comparison but is that how it should be? An alternative (more convenient for the reader / skimmer) approach could be to mention NewReno only in passing and then provide a complete and self-contained description of the algorithms in the congestion control section directly, maybe even inlining the pseudo-code. If that is deemed to verbose and would bore readers that know enough about those algorithms already, it would be good to provide some guidance how to read the algorithm and what the assumptions are in the introductory paragraph about congestion control. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3088 ----==_mimepart_5da1cdbb66856_75043fefaa4cd964779368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It starts like this:

QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP NewReno {{?RFC6582}}.

The next sections below roughly describe the behavior of different phases of congestion control. More concrete pseudo-code is only given in the Appendix later on but it's not linked from the original section.

On first reading, I missed the Appendix and felt the text lacking for concrete enough explanations to implement the feature. The question is what to describe where and what the authoritative definitions should be. If you know the NewReno RFC by heart you can probably make the right inferences to figure out how everything should work in comparison but is that how it should be?

An alternative (more convenient for the reader / skimmer) approach could be to mention NewReno only in passing and then provide a complete and self-contained description of the algorithms in the congestion control section directly, maybe even inlining the pseudo-code. If that is deemed to verbose and would bore readers that know enough about those algorithms already, it would be good to provide some guidance how to read the algorithm and what the assumptions are in the introductory paragraph about congestion control.

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The intent is that the text is complete without reading the referenced RFCs or pseudocode, so I think this section needs more text and possibly some inlined pseudo-code.

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----==_mimepart_5da2028ebb2cc_42113fbaec4cd95c7182a5-- From nobody Sat Oct 12 20:26:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B817D120059 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gMz93hHFlcC5 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3CD912004F for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7EA2C0B97 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:26:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570937171; bh=EjLjsLTCDupqReX3RjUGppJ+y+s5ZbPvgXEll5xo3jY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=14LoWKMQRGZ4suNq9mlboRnl/NBsXjVfMlPgaC/IB1TS4AVQmRjRN8XL8O4aIXcX8 66AGvzTDwTjOpPqomTkA1ljx13ZyS5OjT3Mll0WGcHffIx3qpsGy5c6dBnb+EHKpl3 T+V3kkBaAyt87BLC2wVzPwxKPF6eR03hi7t98sbk= Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:26:10 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why does stateless reset have to be checked after MAC failure (#2152) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da29952f2cb6_5d423f9862acd96c24632e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 03:26:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da29952f2cb6_5d423f9862acd96c24632e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone explain to a dumb guy like me why this is important? We have three paths: 1) Good packet: decrypt, validate, and then process the data in the packet. 2) Stateless reset: attempt to decrypt, fail, find a match for a registered reject token, kill connection. 3) Garbage: attempt to decrypt, fail, do not find a match, do nothing. I content that (1) and (2) are observable no matter what. If the connection goes on as in (1), further packets can be observed. If the connection stops, absence of further packets can be observed. The behavior after (3) depends on the state -- if the connection is up, further data will come out as in (1). If the connection is down, nothing will happen. What exactly is the concern? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2152#issuecomment-541381769 ----==_mimepart_5da29952f2cb6_5d423f9862acd96c24632e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can someone explain to a dumb guy like me why this is important? We have three paths:

  1. Good packet: decrypt, validate, and then process the data in the packet.

  2. Stateless reset: attempt to decrypt, fail, find a match for a registered reject token, kill connection.

  3. Garbage: attempt to decrypt, fail, do not find a match, do nothing.

I content that (1) and (2) are observable no matter what. If the connection goes on as in (1), further packets can be observed. If the connection stops, absence of further packets can be observed. The behavior after (3) depends on the state -- if the connection is up, further data will come out as in (1). If the connection is down, nothing will happen.

What exactly is the concern?

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  • Renamed S bit for static vs dynamic table to T bit (for Table)
  • Replaced backticks with single quotes around individual bits (previously, about half used single, half used double)
  • Added explicit references to bit letter indicators where they were missing (e.g., for 'H')
  • Fixed broken reference to "blocked-decoding" section

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream.
 The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in
 the input header block.
 
-### Blocked Decoding
+### Blocked Decoding  {#blocked-decoding}

I think auto anchoring should mean this is not required (I.e. only need to define explicit links that differ from the section title)

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -682,10 +682,10 @@ acknowledged as this instruction does not insert an entry.
 An encoder adds an entry to the dynamic table where the header field name
 matches the header field name of an entry stored in the static or the dynamic
 table using an instruction that starts with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The second
-(`S`) bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The
+('T') bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The

T seems odd to me because they both use a table. And then we have T=1 meaning that it's the static table.

Are we really so constrained that we can't assign a noun to bits?

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

Thanks for this PR! This clarifies what you're suggesting on the issue.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4361,42 +4361,43 @@ connection.
 
 # Transport Parameter Encoding {#transport-parameter-encoding}
 
-The format of the transport parameters is the TransportParameters struct from
-{{figure-transport-parameters}}.  This is described using the presentation
-language from Section 3 of {{!TLS13=RFC8446}}.
+The `extension_data` field of the quic_transport_parameters extension defined in
+{{QUIC-TLS}} contains the QUIC transport parameters. They are encoded as a
+sequence of transport parameters, as shown in {{transport-parameter-sequence}}:

We could consider making this an ordered list. This would simplify the check that the peer didn't send any duplicate transport parameters.

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I'm in favor of the change that @DavidSchinazi is suggesting in #3087.
There's no reason for us to use TLS presentation language, if anything, it just makes the spec harder to read for people who are unfamiliar with the TLS presentation language (if I remember correctly, this came up multiple times on issues here and / or on Slack).

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----==_mimepart_5da30ee859ff2_62fd3f9ccd0cd95c193035-- From nobody Sun Oct 13 12:18:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECEF120024 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FLR-25CjsCIN for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D38C1120013 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E168D660C35 for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1570994324; bh=/M8MZvqu5uLSfLFGhDbE1DS4RYuT4r73XewWmeLasP8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=e54SGp/LKI1T1LXJi7/ihXos50UiXoluey0IbzUR/WSaY5Z/sT74LHYWTJmwCNKGw THWgZjdzcdQJl2uaDStFRpIGFQTNvfJNeBikvDKuBRYEtrOrnEa+p983JLmmgtAs8m lbIDd5RMO2M44KlYwSnbMURw3dToLrPVkn7VFyWM= Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 12:18:44 -0700 From: Robin Marx Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more specific when naming bits (#3089) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da37894d30a8_daf3f92f6acd9601339a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rmarx X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 19:18:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da37894d30a8_daf3f92f6acd9601339a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rmarx commented on this pull request. > @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream. The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in the input header block. -### Blocked Decoding +### Blocked Decoding {#blocked-decoding} A) did not know about auto-anchoring B) seems like it didn't work for this specific one, since draft-10 of the qpack document has an unresolved reference to the section (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-qpack-10#section-2.1.3). Not sure why that's failing then... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3089#discussion_r334292071 ----==_mimepart_5da37894d30a8_daf3f92f6acd9601339a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream.
 The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in
 the input header block.
 
-### Blocked Decoding
+### Blocked Decoding  {#blocked-decoding}

A) did not know about auto-anchoring
B) seems like it didn't work for this specific one, since draft-10 of the qpack document has an unresolved reference to the section (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-qpack-10#section-2.1.3). Not sure why that's failing then...

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -682,10 +682,10 @@ acknowledged as this instruction does not insert an entry.
 An encoder adds an entry to the dynamic table where the header field name
 matches the header field name of an entry stored in the static or the dynamic
 table using an instruction that starts with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The second
-(`S`) bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The
+('T') bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The

My main gripe was that we were using S with two different meanings (Sign bit and "Static Table bit"). On slack, @afrind was ok with T, so I went with that. I see it as a table "index" personally, which makes sense to me.

But really, I don't care which letter or noun is used, as long as the same letter/noun isn't used for different things.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4361,42 +4361,43 @@ connection.
 
 # Transport Parameter Encoding {#transport-parameter-encoding}
 
-The format of the transport parameters is the TransportParameters struct from
-{{figure-transport-parameters}}.  This is described using the presentation
-language from Section 3 of {{!TLS13=RFC8446}}.
+The `extension_data` field of the quic_transport_parameters extension defined in
+{{QUIC-TLS}} contains the QUIC transport parameters. They are encoded as a
+sequence of transport parameters, as shown in {{transport-parameter-sequence}}:

I'm in favor of that idea (especially because it reduces fingerprinting surface), but I'd like it to be a separate issue/PR for now.

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This changes HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME, which is used only once, to HTTP_FRAME_UNEXPECTED that is used multiple times.

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  • s/HTTP_UNEXPECTED_FRAME/HTTP_FRAME_UNEXPECTED/

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----==_mimepart_5da4b9638b956_15d3feb0eacd9685986e-- From nobody Mon Oct 14 11:07:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7B2120825 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zKPS0g5XjNc6 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F0D12000F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:07:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571076452; bh=TK2x1+w4ems4EwunFQIX52v78Nm4i91+EgCeDEOvkqA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Qypr4/wsxyV3A3EXRwTXQ48olPg6y73TXHpMpw6GgiCYK2Yd9L5SYVES88h+TAv2d 6alUs4iX4k7oLbzWRHvC2cnLO/ys01kpxmxKA1aWTrdixznMHN7fVYFYXyQ9oazjm7 WLsSQBGY2cedOHo98C/VqDn9r8mXZQeEiyB71YYA= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pseudo-header section reference (#3084) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da4b964c8fdc_46753fd5236cd968100859"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:07:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da4b964c8fdc_46753fd5236cd968100859 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #3084 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3084#event-2711349684 ----==_mimepart_5da4b964c8fdc_46753fd5236cd968100859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5da4ba7be7c33_57c73fb4282cd96019844a-- From nobody Mon Oct 14 11:49:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0912E120106 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MXC6iKRw1tAA for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4898F12000F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464D92C173B for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:49:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571078986; bh=JGw4A3EisMAJDwv0toNdMPma3gMGWvxiBK4GoqAHnVU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=foIbF8+AW+BFwWWebBL0qDWwTVu8VyGk3iTm6WEFBmdjOy9g1dIIm8W+nvHhL8yC2 EEh5UUi24GQDhRaxVN124QkOyzQMYe4kbcsbkCspSaJ98N9X4VcPLgjFw6DsQRoWTB PghFn9yCocKeN5Xehi+aQDh/3HQ3LCmiP4Ntn360= Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:49:46 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Additional error cases for CANCEL_PUSH (#3083) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da4c34a37fc3_5be33fd8fd8cd960115850"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 18:49:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da4c34a37fc3_5be33fd8fd8cd960115850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've tried to improve the readability of this section a bit; I turned Ian's suggested parallel paragraphs around to talk about why client and server would send the frame (and the corresponding responses) instead of talking about behavior on receipt. Please take a fresh look, @LPardue and @ianswett. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083#issuecomment-541854025 ----==_mimepart_5da4c34a37fc3_5be33fd8fd8cd960115850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've tried to improve the readability of this section a bit; I turned Ian's suggested parallel paragraphs around to talk about why client and server would send the frame (and the corresponding responses) instead of talking about behavior on receipt.

Please take a fresh look, @LPardue and @ianswett.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 14 12:02:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768AC1208A9 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:02:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7LGdq-fXv182 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEBFA12088C for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:02:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571079726; bh=1bLJJwi6RZou9V842hnx9rLuPWs89wge9wnN1nEE4sw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fPH/yIxWy0x7POd9/wEPQ+BFMZSWMaNVFQNT7IO/9AthKT9DHhxP/iHy2UmZFb71v /pgpZdy9JRePpNvrsOFkWENNn1cED+IgteQs0hCV5yzzV4iHTKoKTi6QVGzL0k9srb mjFmoSWi/08y7JT5nti91U+fwDzfJseh0Dwo+Hr0= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more specific when naming bits (#3089) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da4c62dee063_9a13f91de0cd960174832"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:02:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da4c62dee063_9a13f91de0cd960174832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream. The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in the input header block. -### Blocked Decoding +### Blocked Decoding {#blocked-decoding} The reference in 2.1.3 should have `{{` instead of `{`, looks like. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3089#discussion_r334621164 ----==_mimepart_5da4c62dee063_9a13f91de0cd960174832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream.
 The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in
 the input header block.
 
-### Blocked Decoding
+### Blocked Decoding  {#blocked-decoding}

The reference in 2.1.3 should have {{ instead of {, looks like.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream.
 The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in
 the input header block.
 
-### Blocked Decoding
+### Blocked Decoding  {#blocked-decoding}

Aha, that might do the trick. Did that instead in 479c7d0

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----==_mimepart_5da4c803a983e_70993fc2376cd96c191393-- From nobody Mon Oct 14 12:50:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AFA120106 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:50:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5eq4GQEKphKG for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8653B12003F for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:50:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571082606; bh=aUkRRxayUvOMUtAxibVhzP4el3/HJl7F4KS/ST6gW4s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wIQY/HP/1Io1vwBYaQ3HmFHvWfuPTTgQjtEWzkqg7MWo4CdIJv8HiEGoplBQa7tjD ZSBUxT/XjOowK67usdB+WUuyGig4wlkm5koHaAiT6GyXYtvkVhSG63LMYvfSQs2+qF DMqGGpN/CiYsIWuc0jhypuFNtEWi3Nw5dkx0IyAg= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameters varint (#3087) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da4d16e7023b_14833fb76eacd964875fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:50:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da4d16e7023b_14833fb76eacd964875fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > - struct { - opaque ipv4Address[4]; - uint16 ipv4Port; - opaque ipv6Address[16]; - uint16 ipv6Port; - opaque connectionId<0..20>; - opaque statelessResetToken[16]; - } PreferredAddress; + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Address (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Port (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv6 Address (128) ... This field isn't variable-length, so it shouldn't have the `...`. > + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Address (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Port (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv6 Address (128) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv6 Port (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| CID Length (8)| ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Connection ID (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Stateless Reset Token (128) ... Likewise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3087#pullrequestreview-301506469 ----==_mimepart_5da4d16e7023b_14833fb76eacd964875fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -   struct {
-     opaque ipv4Address[4];
-     uint16 ipv4Port;
-     opaque ipv6Address[16];
-     uint16 ipv6Port;
-     opaque connectionId<0..20>;
-     opaque statelessResetToken[16];
-   } PreferredAddress;
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                     IPv6 Address (128)                      ...

This field isn't variable-length, so it shouldn't have the ....

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> + 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                     IPv6 Address (128)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|         IPv6 Port (16)        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| CID Length (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                      Connection ID (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Stateless Reset Token (128)                 ...

Likewise.

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The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in the input header block. -### Blocked Decoding +### Blocked Decoding {#blocked-decoding} Just built it locally to confirm; it works now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3089#discussion_r334639010 ----==_mimepart_5da4d316a4873_505b3fc5596cd960381ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -311,7 +311,7 @@ instructions received on the encoder stream.
 The decoder MUST emit header fields in the order their representations appear in
 the input header block.
 
-### Blocked Decoding
+### Blocked Decoding  {#blocked-decoding}

Just built it locally to confirm; it works now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -682,10 +682,10 @@ acknowledged as this instruction does not insert an entry.
 An encoder adds an entry to the dynamic table where the header field name
 matches the header field name of an entry stored in the static or the dynamic
 table using an instruction that starts with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The second
-(`S`) bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The
+('T') bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The

I'm fine with it being an index of the tables. In my mind (thanks in part to HPACK) the static table comes "first," so it feels a little weird that it's 1 vs. 0, but that's probably better than turning something purely editorial into a needless breaking change at this point.

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----==_mimepart_5da4d36610ca_7d13fb97fccd96835583-- From nobody Mon Oct 14 13:01:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C311208DA for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:00:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w7zCeNbdHCmS for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 942371208C3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-19d82f6.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-19d82f6.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.75]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAF6960635 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:00:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571083254; bh=84Amm1rfaBOY6kv30G/AJf95OTrpNgaBQNE2D1lrgy8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=2UQ915zquDLZ24WOOuIN9l5uzFfVvknlsv9++r80bhAD2jgZ7+s128BOMDGiHa0F4 Tm6Sem0ZyRmojItUiEWm7FwHYEv5tpHg7iOKSjY7/ljMU2iZPJR08tq+9+oZDyd6iO zWikJYqO4YJ4sv19aFFgDnG86zGM/CCNw35xHgEY= Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:00:54 -0700 From: Peter Wu To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 6333ab: http: syntax fixes for quic Alt-Svc parameter (#3059) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:01:06 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6333ab65c6efe313a443f4fd2aa968f1a222518c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6333ab65c6efe313a443f4fd2aa968f1a222518c Author: Peter Wu Date: 2019-10-14 (Mon, 14 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- http: syntax fixes for quic Alt-Svc parameter (#3059) Use the correct ABNF grammar to express repetition and fix the Reserved Frame Type link. 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Resolved by #3090 and something prior to it.

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Closed #2765.

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In H3, both the transport parameters and SETTINGS are=0D > effectively constant per implementation - any identifying bit leaked by= the=0D > H3 SETTINGS is also leaked by the transport parameters. My assumption i= s=0D > that other future applications using this mechanism will be similar in = the=0D > amount of (non) leakage, but that can be analyzed on a per-application=0D= > basis.=0D >=0D > This definitely needs to be per-application and may need to be per=0D parameter. If you treat the DNS client subnet as an application paramete= r=0D for DNS over QUIC, for example, the implications may be much more privacy= =0D sensitive than for other EDNS0 parameters.=0D =0D Ted=0D =0D =0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or unsubscribe=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3086#issuecomment-541960573= ----==_mimepart_5da4f7d936a8a_65153f97738cd968108180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Nick Harper <notifications@github.com&= gt;
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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5da4f7d936a8a_65153f97738cd968108180-- From nobody Mon Oct 14 15:46:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CA2120894 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hrWa1QeANzVM for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BD5D120893 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F492C0E56 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:46:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571093204; bh=RQGpph+qQfdt9oEpzEkIZ8WYlAmAvTKFSGyxk5y1n6Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Eq8qsgUz8Gr1D6UcBZ1zz2YjMjN9uvqpJbF7ofOsYI6pDA9cEo9nSZWZ32Ppj/GTK O14O1QAEeXBSkk5MpXFuJw/Pdb91jybF30daNd76IjEWZN586Bj4AUeQcQasZ56n3e m1PDZ93++jcxhtFWF+iGaY1dOdri+0CEbWEuBXQM= Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:46:44 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retransmit server initial upon second Initial (#3080) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da4fad4735f8_64603f97738cd9681195fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:46:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da4fad4735f8_64603f97738cd9681195fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. I'm ambivalent on this one, but this doesn't seem like it would be hurtful. > @@ -508,6 +508,12 @@ until it is certain that the server has finished its address validation probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its Handshake or 1-RTT packets. +When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data when there +is unacknoweledged Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client did not ```suggestion is unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client did not ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#pullrequestreview-301575783 ----==_mimepart_5da4fad4735f8_64603f97738cd9681195fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I'm ambivalent on this one, but this doesn't seem like it would be hur= tful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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hat the server has finished its address validation=0D
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+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data when there=0D
+is unacknoweledged Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client did not=
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n assume the client did not=0D
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It appears that the spec doesn't actually require sending ACKs for every ACK-eliciting packet. This could lead to a perverse implementation just not ACKing things with obvious problems.

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----==_mimepart_5da4fdb5944e0_25b23fddd0ecd96486657-- From nobody Mon Oct 14 16:00:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B52E120893 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vDT3HiPpTwsm for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72466120894 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C156C6114C for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571094025; bh=A0r8fn7QhWs7gazyjAZWiI1GadugS9pi7eQocrHHFuw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=k6J+ayzs8riM26I4POG+YXVLLNgEjDfEA5scJ7sBleK6SYYllRFZlwfXrtcqyUgnj cvy+j3AwZrsNpfbO9MfBe7dRh4RauMc5qr+1UaI06HDciGzHfEfef3I3wmvb5HA7pM TGBhi33Kehum7LOTR0Cm/StW7eveowjs4bh2On7Q= Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:00:25 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Additional error cases for CANCEL_PUSH (#3083) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da4fe096da8c_70953f866d0cd9641085f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 23:00:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da4fe096da8c_70953f866d0cd9641085f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > -stream. If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SHOULD -abruptly terminate that stream. - -A server can send the CANCEL_PUSH frame to indicate that it will not be -fulfilling a promise prior to creation of a push stream. Once the push stream -has been created, sending CANCEL_PUSH has no effect on the state of the push -stream. The server SHOULD abruptly terminate the push stream instead. +When a client sends this frame, it is indicating that it does not wish to +receive the promised resource. The server SHOULD abort sending the resource, +but the mechanism to do so depends on the state of the corresponding push +stream. If the server has not yet created a push stream, it does not create +one. If the push stream is open, the server SHOULD abruptly terminate that +stream. If the push stream has already closed, the server MAY abruptly +terminate the stream (cancelling any retransmissions) or MAY take no action. + +When a server sends this frame, it is indicating that it will not be fulfilling ```suggestion When a server sends CANCEL_PUSH, it is indicating that it will not be fulfilling ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3083#pullrequestreview-301579960 ----==_mimepart_5da4fe096da8c_70953f866d0cd9641085f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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+When a client sends this frame, it is indicating that it does not wish t=
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+receive the promised resource.  The server SHOULD abort sending the reso=
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+but the mechanism to do so depends on the state of the corresponding pus=
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+stream.  If the server has not yet created a push stream, it does not cr=
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+one.  If the push stream is open, the server SHOULD abruptly terminate t=
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+terminate the stream (cancelling any retransmissions) or MAY take no act=
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-When a server sends this frame, it is indicat=
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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> -identified server push.  If the server ha=
s not yet started to send the server=0D
-push, it can use the receipt of a CANCEL_PUSH frame to avoid opening a p=
ush=0D
-stream.  If the push stream has been opened by the server, the server SH=
OULD=0D
-abruptly terminate that stream.=0D
-=0D
-A server can send the CANCEL_PUSH frame to indicate that it will not be=0D=

-fulfilling a promise prior to creation of a push stream.  Once the push =
stream=0D
-has been created, sending CANCEL_PUSH has no effect on the state of the =
push=0D
-stream.  The server SHOULD abruptly terminate the push stream instead.=0D=

+When a client sends this frame, it is indicating that it does not wish t=
o=0D
+receive the promised resource.  The server SHOULD abort sending the reso=
urce,=0D
+but the mechanism to do so depends on the state of the corresponding pus=
h=0D
+stream.  If the server has not yet created a push stream, it does not cr=
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+one.  If the push stream is open, the server SHOULD abruptly terminate t=
hat=0D
+stream.  If the push stream has already closed, the server MAY abruptly=0D=

+terminate the stream (cancelling any retransmissions) or MAY take no act=
ion.=0D
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-terminate the stream (cancelling any retransm=
issions) or MAY take no action.=0D
+terminate the stream or MAY take no action.=0D
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  • 85c48e9 Fully specify application_layer_paramters and use it for SETTINGS in both directions

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I've updated #2958 with how this mechanism might be specified.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 14 22:40:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE6B12007A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:40:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vqku3C_ycgip for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6F2812006D for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 22:40:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571118015; bh=raheF5VDE7Nk9/KAphqXAH509YxgRxpB25KxMiTxweM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=09olZwrQuNEaSm/CvaPustfrz45+pOBDqPsRDmfbSCyO/lgpGVoMvgCnGRls/U8cC pWfxDIln+o+arLFSwCDtdTtwq48OLaQhwhWGal4hfI0rDJG/QeOPILzMUkMflH5PUO pQlCNlWhKrLmtAXG0TriI9raTMtqPtjJjHpXA7/o= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] MUST ACK each ack-eliciting packet once (#3092) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da55bbfcc796_9e43fdee8acd9685147e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 05:40:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da55bbfcc796_9e43fdee8acd9685147e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The editors assumed this was true, but I think it's worth stating this as a MUST to ensure clarity. Fixes #3091 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3092 -- Commit Summary -- * MUST ACK each ack-eliciting packet once -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3092.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3092.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3092 ----==_mimepart_5da55bbfcc796_9e43fdee8acd9685147e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The editors assumed this was true, but I think it's worth stating this as a MUST to ensure clarity.

Fixes #3091

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  • MUST ACK each ack-eliciting packet once

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@martinduke commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,9 +500,7 @@ be considered an RTT sample.
 
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of
 data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
+If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
 data has been received from the client.

s/data/valid packets

"data", to me, implies payloads of CRYPTO or STREAM freams.

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@martinduke requested changes on this pull request.

As discussed this afternoon, as written this implies up to six packets sent per PTO interval. While I could live with that, I think we should limit it to "no more than one datagram per crypto level, but at least two datagrams" or something to that effect.

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----==_mimepart_5da571d6ab6ef_4a863fa7d18cd9681353dd-- From nobody Tue Oct 15 00:46:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A58B120071 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ce_UxdNsiEA7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE985120013 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 00:46:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571125567; bh=WGz/4UjakE4n56NkJG3KKpYskQuD7EQkB4SuZ1RcqdQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZxiXYYDscKFTVR5sZo23sdRDho63YaqryT9fNweWShOm6sZVqtFZHVdcK0SUBf8gd tjZhivTlCyPWBGFz2clwsjjv1JJVjc/I5LIUoiDCF5e1zl/07oECrhf2IUBT6y2TMg TGzHntoXc7/qnc0hyTj54NOoSQtqwHd4sGlCJTIk= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixed handshake key deadlock issue (#3093) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da5793fe2e36_4b3b3fb6852cd960486092"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:46:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da5793fe2e36_4b3b3fb6852cd960486092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Along with some other PRs, I believe this fixes #2863. Fundamentally, there are four ways to solve the problem of one endpoint throwing away the handshake keys while the other has no 1-RTT data. 1) Keep the handshake keys forever 2) Make the endpoint start a 1-RTT PTO timer whether or not it has data to send 3) Require each endpoint to send a retransmittable frame soon after the handshake is complete; or 4) Make the endpoint wait until it receives an ack-eliciting 1-RTT packet, in addition to a 1-RTT ack. I believe that the discard keys group might have a plurality for #4. The added condition makes sure that the peer's PTO machinery has started and will have little effect on most applications, including HTTP3. This PR is a concrete statement of the fourth option. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3093 -- Commit Summary -- * Fixed handshake key deadlock issue -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3093.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3093.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3093 ----==_mimepart_5da5793fe2e36_4b3b3fb6852cd960486092 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Along with some other PRs, I believe this fixes #2863.

Fundamentally, there are four ways to solve the problem of one endpoint throwing away the handshake keys while the other has no 1-RTT data.

  1. Keep the handshake keys forever
  2. Make the endpoint start a 1-RTT PTO timer whether or not it has data to send
  3. Require each endpoint to send a retransmittable frame soon after the handshake is complete; or
  4. Make the endpoint wait until it receives an ack-eliciting 1-RTT packet, in addition to a 1-RTT ack.

I believe that the discard keys group might have a plurality for #4. The added condition makes sure that the peer's PTO machinery has started and will have little effect on most applications, including HTTP3.

This PR is a concrete statement of the fourth option.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3093

Commit Summary

  • Fixed handshake key deadlock issue

File Changes

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:58:06 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: bee95016e3be73001dba5efdae015312a4659a2c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bee95016e3be73001dba5efdae015312a4659a2c Author: Nick Harper Date: 2019-08-22 (Thu, 22 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Describe interaction between QUIC and TLS regarding saved 0-RTT state This PR describes how a TLS stack needs to cooperate with a QUIC stack when making the decision whether or not to accept early data. 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Commit: c09d599bade53a8faea33a264c21d1a57de2d179 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c09d599bade53a8faea33a264c21d1a57de2d179 Author: Nick Harper Date: 2019-08-22 (Thu, 22 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Apply suggestions from code review Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: 635ab6cee20af55c617202c8301b5b5179c31744 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/635ab6cee20af55c617202c8301b5b5179c31744 Author: Nick Harper Date: 2019-10-11 (Fri, 11 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Reword sentence about storing state in session ticket Commit: d94db41c7c5a2936aba7b95723dcdb3546a303fa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d94db41c7c5a2936aba7b95723dcdb3546a303fa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2947 from nharper/tls-saved-state Describe interaction between QUIC and TLS regarding saved 0-RTT state Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8b86d0bb9023...d94db41c7c5a From nobody Tue Oct 15 09:58:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200D2120807 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ta_1xKB_VTls for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45EB2120833 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D18B8C0769 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:57:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571158658; bh=Xa+eMmlsOAwNxALkmttC2PjLbNue1+DI36JIK4yH/sI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YImIm9hmQWzORACivolIdjGUzEGRTaMKLhMMrYRe5lCCIEK8iaeiJuhwGJn8G70OP WRYBGQo1WI1WK4p9fn5FPipqwxYYXG5F8TUluCgyO9w+9/LkrWBJMkAVEiX/lLYSzK /E2m6cn9asUAa4q+TUtOijHvXR0ftY+XEy9oboIg= Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 09:57:38 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove Requirement of an Acknowledgement per Round Trip (#3030) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da5fa827cc98_617b3fe7b3acd96c30894f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:58:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da5fa827cc98_617b3fe7b3acd96c30894f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #3030 via #3055. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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#2968 covered this.

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Closed #2785.

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Christian, the original text required that we only evaluate 2 after failing to match on 1 (i.e., fail to decrypt). The new text allows any order of operations.

The secondary thing is that 2 needs to be constant time for each stateless reset token.

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This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from -NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the server's transport parameters. An endpoint -MUST NOT check for any Stateless Reset Tokens associated with connection IDs it -has not used or for connection IDs that have been retired. - -If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset +An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of +the UDP datagram. The endpoint compare the last 16 bytes of the datagram with +all Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with connection IDs that the +endpoint recently used to send packets from the IP address and port on which the +datagram is received. + +This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip +this check if packets from a datagram are successfully processed. However, the +comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram +either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or is ```suggestion either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or carries ``` > -NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the server's transport parameters. An endpoint -MUST NOT check for any Stateless Reset Tokens associated with connection IDs it -has not used or for connection IDs that have been retired. - -If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset +An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of +the UDP datagram. The endpoint compare the last 16 bytes of the datagram with +all Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with connection IDs that the +endpoint recently used to send packets from the IP address and port on which the +datagram is received. + +This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip +this check if packets from a datagram are successfully processed. However, the +comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram +either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or is +identified as a duplicate. ```suggestion a duplicate packet number. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2993#pullrequestreview-302085583 ----==_mimepart_5da6063454a5a_318e3ff20b8cd95c658749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

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The endpoint MUST then compare the last 16 bytes of the -packet with all Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with connection IDs -that the endpoint recently used to send packets from the IP address and port on -which the datagram is received. This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from -NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the server's transport parameters. An endpoint -MUST NOT check for any Stateless Reset Tokens associated with connection IDs it -has not used or for connection IDs that have been retired. - -If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset +An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of +the UDP datagram. The endpoint compare the last 16 bytes of the datagram with ```suggestion the UDP datagram. The endpoint compares the last 16 bytes of the datagram with ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset when an incoming packet either
-cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or is marked as a
-duplicate packet.  The endpoint MUST then compare the last 16 bytes of the
-packet with all Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with connection IDs
-that the endpoint recently used to send packets from the IP address and port on
-which the datagram is received.  This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from
-NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the server's transport parameters.  An endpoint
-MUST NOT check for any Stateless Reset Tokens associated with connection IDs it
-has not used or for connection IDs that have been retired.
-
-If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset
+An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of
+the UDP datagram.  The endpoint compares the last 16 bytes of the datagram with
+all Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with connection IDs that the
+endpoint recently used to send packets from the IP address and port on which the
+datagram is received.

To detect stateless resets, an endpoint remembers all Stateless Reset Tokens along with the associated connection IDs and the corresponding IP address and port that it recently used to send packets. The endpoint detects a received packet as a stateless reset by comparing the last 16 bytes of a received datagram with Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with the IP address and port on which the datagram was received.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:06:27 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-under-utilizing=0D Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts=0D Commit: ef52e69f22902e6c85a0b2a60cae09defd9a9d43=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef52e69f22902e6c85a0b2= a60cae09defd9a9d43=0D Author: huitema =0D Date: 2019-01-26 (Sat, 26 Jan 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D State requirement that clients must wait until ACK of 1-RTT=0D message before initiating connection migration.=0D =0D =0D Commit: e449a442086ecaf478c7a2b002a3f43c1a4b17b7=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e449a442086ecaf478c7a2= b002a3f43c1a4b17b7=0D Author: huitema =0D Date: 2019-01-27 (Sun, 27 Jan 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Update the proposed migration text based on comments.=0D =0D =0D Commit: cdaf4ff621a0a6f2ed841c758828ec3610f0cb6c=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cdaf4ff621a0a6f2ed841c= 758828ec3610f0cb6c=0D Author: huitema =0D Date: 2019-01-27 (Sun, 27 Jan 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Add handshake completion section so we can have a single reference.=0D Refer to that when specifying whento initiate migration.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 4b096a19558f17aa9539868cd4767f6dbb0b0203=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4b096a19558f17aa953986= 8cd4767f6dbb0b0203=0D Author: huitema =0D Date: 2019-01-31 (Thu, 31 Jan 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Per Tokyo interop: editors will complete the section "handshake complet= ion", and the migration conditions will then be explained.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 8e3a958afb07c1eec1b291c864dda8c82da5aafe=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e3a958afb07c1eec1b291= c864dda8c82da5aafe=0D Author: Igor Lubashev =0D Date: 2019-02-10 (Sun, 10 Feb 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Describe PMTU probing that includes source connection ID for routing IC= MP back the correct endpoints.=0D =0D =0D Commit: c9c3df14c842da1187b9e75d51f39daaab94497a=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9c3df14c842da1187b9e7= 5d51f39daaab94497a=0D Author: Igor Lubashev =0D Date: 2019-02-10 (Sun, 10 Feb 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Incorporate Kazuho's review.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 1c232702294c7ba60db0d1fa5fe36a03a8bac73d=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c232702294c7ba60db0d1= fa5fe36a03a8bac73d=0D Author: Igor Lubashev =0D Date: 2019-02-10 (Sun, 10 Feb 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D More feedback from #2402.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 138aded8776bd1647ffcf1d1d8a74cad4239d7ba=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/138aded8776bd1647ffcf1= d1d8a74cad4239d7ba=0D Author: Igor Lubashev =0D Date: 2019-02-10 (Sun, 10 Feb 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Additional clarifications for PMTU probes=0D =0D =0D Commit: 50a2b121866a8de0352b726645e74f87a20444cf=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50a2b121866a8de0352b72= 6645e74f87a20444cf=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-02-13 (Wed, 13 Feb 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D 0-RTT can't use transport parameters or 1-RTT frames=0D =0D While in theory a client could send 0-RTT after receiving 1-RTT, this is=0D= not a good idea. 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See the issue=0D discussion for that rationale.=0D =0D Closes #2382.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 4ef3e0d1d3eab100a4efe18955498da0fc147674=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4ef3e0d1d3eab100a4efe1= 8955498da0fc147674=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-08-26 (Mon, 26 Aug 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D No point in coalescing Retry or VN=0D =0D Closes #2407.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 36609c20e66663a11a678b30f5d0330b11bba62c=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/36609c20e66663a11a678b= 30f5d0330b11bba62c=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-08-26 (Mon, 26 Aug 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Simplify ChaCha20 interface=0D =0D The nonce can just be opaque bytes.=0D =0D The block counter is tricky, as noted in the issue. 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This could also affect the slow start. if (congestion_window < ssthresh): // Slow start. congestion_window += acked_packet.size else: // Congestion avoidance. congestion_window += kMaxDatagramSize * acked_packet.size / congestion_window One could argue that QUIC ACKs every other packet, but there ACK packet could get lost or ACK for ACK packet could get lost. The draft is probably assuming packet pacing but not all implementations support that. I discussed this with Jana and he thinks that we should add something in pseudo code or some specific text in the draft. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094 ----==_mimepart_5da613f03b74c_7d0d3f95094cd96067905b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

When an ACK arrives that acknowledges N packets (where N could be very large), QUIC will increase the congestion window by more than 1MSS per congestion window during Congestion Avoidance causing bursty send. This could also affect the slow start.

if (congestion_window < ssthresh):
// Slow start.
congestion_window += acked_packet.size
else:
// Congestion avoidance.
congestion_window += kMaxDatagramSize * acked_packet.size / congestion_window

One could argue that QUIC ACKs every other packet, but there ACK packet could get lost or ACK for ACK packet could get lost.

The draft is probably assuming packet pacing but not all implementations support that.

I discussed this with Jana and he thinks that we should add something in pseudo code or some specific text in the draft.

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----==_mimepart_5da613f03b74c_7d0d3f95094cd96067905b-- From nobody Tue Oct 15 12:06:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395D0120123 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cqn-hdcBg5bI for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C41B12080A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:06:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571166368; bh=52yZ4PFex1TS/M3JchXdStjzI22J07fYdKK3QSqVgKw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q+Pp1lpbAa9/tKeJuQFa+MSI4C+Tu5GD6t3/eAKu5kT8QJkJWsNQWGOt+2q4iv4Tc Zj9mXPNzjPzvzH0N+TRWP4R7kQClIvI5KGIuyCscCuQ+BGlrsMa49w+WvL1kMt8GvK Vqux4gKoqzxFhAU3rVenz5cFO87NKdddDMIY3PkI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 has less concurrency than HTTP/2 (#2787) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da618a0a5666_56143f8e32ccd96812522b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:06:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da618a0a5666_56143f8e32ccd96812522b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho if you'd like to see some new text, either editorial or a slightly different recommendation, can you write a PR? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2787#issuecomment-542359727 ----==_mimepart_5da618a0a5666_56143f8e32ccd96812522b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho if you'd like to see some new text, either editorial or a slightly different recommendation, can you write a PR?

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So the editors discussed this and concluded that while this would be very nice to have, we need a PR in order to do anything. Lucas, you seem to be the resident expert here, so I'm assigning this to you.

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Maybe add that blurb. I'd recommend marking this as editorial on that basis.

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The text is now:

A server can send a complete response prior to the client sending an
entire request if the response does not depend on any portion of the
request that has not been sent and received. When this is true, a
server MAY abort reading the request stream with error code
HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE, send a complete response, and cleanly close the
sending part of the stream. Clients MUST NOT discard complete
responses as a result of having their request terminated abruptly,
though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for
other reasons.

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Sure. Amusingly since I created this issue we decided to shift the error code space in H3 so that there is no implicit mapping. Therefore I'm inclined to start by addressing that simple point first and then more specific points captured in the issue (if they are still relevant after the shuffle). I'll start on a PR and will probably seek some input from @kazuho who seemed to have some opinion on this topic during past discussion and some experience in actually mapping H2 and H3.

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----==_mimepart_5da623e159987_59a03fc1ef4cd95c2074e2-- From nobody Tue Oct 15 13:20:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDFE12004A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:20:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Rj1UMsnGmec for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0C38120044 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:20:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571170826; bh=xVbcbsmiYPYP5pccHG5l/W9E8vdGK+6kje/Xk6g6D2M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eDgHexS3Fe291s9U/SiiK/p7x5peEl642cxdsMmGwdaxSKMPnNfpmVC+cXfE/3Hit Quduf0zdAqMBpW2FzGEVsnv/nwob2U4WNWP79CkTPwX+PHcy9tAZ+G6FcuY5Ke5Wbi 2u8uC46/2ZJWsSYwgC50YtoMEdgg9HvubqmqXX2U= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do Initial secrets change after Retry packet? (#2823) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da62a09f0315_2d023fa5586cd9682267b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:20:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da62a09f0315_2d023fa5586cd9682267b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett has a design-level change for this in #2878 that I think is a good idea to talk about. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2823#issuecomment-542387360 ----==_mimepart_5da62a09f0315_2d023fa5586cd9682267b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett has a design-level change for this in #2878 that I think is a good idea to talk about.

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----==_mimepart_5da62a09f0315_2d023fa5586cd9682267b9-- From nobody Tue Oct 15 13:23:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EEA12080D for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:23:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F3LIpu0Pfyus for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C770120807 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:23:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571171008; bh=feFuRcpfj5Kd4opBH2VrCz7v8nYfEzya245dToNOSh8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GLQimmfpMjfK4pCy4exok0NM2FhD01vkupYY8PihCgPovwvfW3CANSexl31JU6zgG wGpDAFNxgkqEeEfthyIPrJIiz3FthBecbW+kG59O97niX7PjXY1PBr3itwLEkd8b6R 0nD5rhCs3LjGUP8iDvjtDgN7Vpr757+OS9pnee+o= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da62ac0a166c_206d3fd5b7ccd96430682c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:23:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da62ac0a166c_206d3fd5b7ccd96430682c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even if we do nothing here, we need to note that UDP checksums are a good idea (cite RFC 8085, Section 3.4). And we need to point out that a bad Retry token will result in the server dropping the packet. Also, corruption of Retry could make it hard to distinguish between Retry tokens and NEW_TOKEN tokens unless the discriminator the server uses is in the clear (in which case, the distinction is erased, but that seems unlikely, or maybe you can create markers with a Hamming distance >1 so that bit flips are less likely to erase that signal. Advice for clients would be to make a new connection if an Initial with a token times out. What is likely to happen for HTTP - at least in the near term - is that clients will fall back to TCP. @ianswett suggests that we could allow a server to generate a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to an Initial with a token that is probably an invalid Retry token. This would allow the server to signal to the client that the connection is busted. However, this won't work if we make the proposed change to retain the Initial keys after Retry (#2823), because the server won't be able to get the original keys. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-542388445 ----==_mimepart_5da62ac0a166c_206d3fd5b7ccd96430682c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Even if we do nothing here, we need to note that UDP checksums are a good idea (cite RFC 8085, Section 3.4). And we need to point out that a bad Retry token will result in the server dropping the packet. Also, corruption of Retry could make it hard to distinguish between Retry tokens and NEW_TOKEN tokens unless the discriminator the server uses is in the clear (in which case, the distinction is erased, but that seems unlikely, or maybe you can create markers with a Hamming distance >1 so that bit flips are less likely to erase that signal.

Advice for clients would be to make a new connection if an Initial with a token times out. What is likely to happen for HTTP - at least in the near term - is that clients will fall back to TCP.

@ianswett suggests that we could allow a server to generate a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to an Initial with a token that is probably an invalid Retry token. This would allow the server to signal to the client that the connection is busted. However, this won't work if we make the proposed change to retain the Initial keys after Retry (#2823), because the server won't be able to get the original keys.

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Editors discussed this and could do either. This is likely a nuisance topic for a meeting.

Editors' preference is for @marten-seemann to decide this. @marten-seemann, can you either back out the "or" on the flow control thing, or add an "or" to the stream limit frame descriptions?

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@ianswett suggests that we could allow a server to generate a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to an Initial with a token that is probably an invalid Retry token. This would allow the server to signal to the client that the connection is busted.

This also becomes an attack vector, since an attacker could inject such a CONNECTION_CLOSE.

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We need a PR. @kazuho, do you think that you can do this? As discussed, should be that the receiving side will retire within one PTO. The sending side can enforce at 3PTO, by dropping the connection.

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----==_mimepart_5da64c4bc9cf5_53163ff6190cd95c779ab-- From nobody Tue Oct 15 16:19:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795C91207FC for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AMy74iG52KwP for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83BBC120104 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:19:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571181546; bh=wXV2VPSDlk1HwPIgCS7VaWLyAE0/hmEC8CPjt7h0oyE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eZYvdFB8YHHfp3Gfj4uwPuALhjylOavyVR1+WMab1jXjtd+oxq+ZSPrQ9HEVWwJEz MjibFPKU9X8vITs3/5YSma0hLH2KGKXkkHfuxIJ3re1m+wkGaZvhms7bKCYy1OHDbG sdohYVWd5GLJrTJSqDw/DGhZ5eSwn1K/cbsMTJ44= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameters varint (#3087) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da653ea7bf31_65523f9c8eecd960303254"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:19:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da653ea7bf31_65523f9c8eecd960303254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. This seems pretty clear, though like others I'm not convinced of the necessity. > - struct { - opaque ipv4Address[4]; - uint16 ipv4Port; - opaque ipv6Address[16]; - uint16 ipv6Port; - opaque connectionId<0..20>; - opaque statelessResetToken[16]; - } PreferredAddress; + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Address (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Port (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv6 Address (128) ... Rather than this taking two lines, would you have this take 5 lines, or 8? > -| 0x000c | disable_active_migration | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | -| 0x000d | preferred_address | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | -| 0x000e | active_connection_id_limit | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| Value | Parameter Name | Specification | +|:------|:----------------------------|:------------------------------------| +| 0x0 | original_connection_id | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x1 | idle_timeout | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x2 | stateless_reset_token | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x3 | max_packet_size | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x4 | initial_max_data | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x5 | initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x6 | initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x7 | initial_max_stream_data_uni | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x8 | initial_max_streams_bidi | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0x9 | initial_max_streams_uni | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | +| 0xA | ack_delay_exponent | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | HeX IS LOWeRCaSe ```suggestion | 0xa | ack_delay_exponent | {{transport-parameter-definitions}} | ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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=0D =0D

This seems pretty clear, though like others I'm not convinced of the n= ecessity.

=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> -   struct {=0D
-     opaque ipv4Address[4];=0D
-     uint16 ipv4Port;=0D
-     opaque ipv6Address[16];=0D
-     uint16 ipv6Port;=0D
-     opaque connectionId<0..20>;=0D
-     opaque statelessResetToken[16];=0D
-   } PreferredAddress;=0D
+ 0                   1                   2                   3=0D
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|                     IPv6 Address (128)                      ...=0D
=0D

Rather than this taking two lines, would you have this take 5 lines, o= r 8?

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> -| 0x000c | disable_active_migration    | =
{{transport-parameter-definitions}} |=0D
-| 0x000d | preferred_address           | {{transport-parameter-definitio=
ns}} |=0D
-| 0x000e | active_connection_id_limit  | {{transport-parameter-definitio=
ns}} |=0D
+| Value | Parameter Name              | Specification                   =
    |=0D
+|:------|:----------------------------|:--------------------------------=
----|=0D
+|  0x0  | original_connection_id      | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x1  | idle_timeout                | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x2  | stateless_reset_token       | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x3  | max_packet_size             | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x4  | initial_max_data            | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x5  | initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local | {{transport-parameter-def=
initions}} |=0D
+|  0x6  | initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote | {{transport-parameter-de=
finitions}} |=0D
+|  0x7  | initial_max_stream_data_uni | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x8  | initial_max_streams_bidi    | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0x9  | initial_max_streams_uni     | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
+|  0xA  | ack_delay_exponent          | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
=0D

HeX IS LOWeRCaSe

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-|  0xA  | ack_delay_exponent          | {{tra=
nsport-parameter-definitions}} |=0D
+|  0xa  | ack_delay_exponent          | {{transport-parameter-definition=
s}} |=0D
=0D =0D =0D

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

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I don't think that this fixes the problem. What we had discussed was requiring that some ack-eliciting 1-RTT data is sent after handshake completion. With that, the existing definition of "confirmed" is adequate.

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(#2942) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da658ec53a61_76c33f7f106cd968608b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:40:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da658ec53a61_76c33f7f106cd968608b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afrind commented on this pull request. > @@ -445,19 +443,23 @@ encoder sends a Set Dynamic Table Capacity instruction ({{set-dynamic-capacity}}) with a non-zero capacity to begin using the dynamic table. -Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the -end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or -equal to (table capacity - size of new entry). The encoder MUST NOT evict a -blocking dynamic table entry (see {{blocked-insertion}}). The entry is then -added to the table. It is an error if the encoder attempts to add an entry that -is larger than the dynamic table capacity; the decoder MUST treat this as a +When a new entry is added to the dynamic table, the minimum number of entries +are evicted from the end of the dynamic table so that the final table size +including the new entry does not exceed the table capacity. This can be This is an awfully long sentence without punctuation. Maybe set off 'including the new entry' with commas? > +including the new entry does not exceed the table capacity. This can be +achieved by adding the new entry and then removing entries from the end until +the table size is less than or equal to the table capacity. Another option is +to first evict entries until the size of the dynamic table is less than or equal +to (table capacity - size of new entry), then add the new entry. Note that a Actually, this language comes directly from HPACK. Why is it necessary to offer the add+remove option, instead of remove+add? There isn't normative language here, so an implementation can do it either way and still be compliant. > @@ -603,7 +607,8 @@ is used without modification. This document expands the definition of string literals and permits them to begin other than on a byte boundary. An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit -prefix integer. The remainder of the string literal is unmodified. +prefix integer. The prefix size, N, can have a value between 2 and 8. The I didn't see a 2-bit prefix anywhere, should this be 3 and 8 (inclusive)? But I see this as a bit of overkill. If we allow 1 or 2 in QPACK2 we have to remember to change this. > A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for -the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding. +the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is one of the most efficient encodings. It's true there are other 2 byte encodings, but I think we should encourage 0/0. Maybe we should even require it? > @@ -952,10 +954,8 @@ entry. ### Indexed Header Field -An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static -table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the -decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541]. - +An indexed header field instruction identifies an entry in either the static Why did you change this from representation to instruction? Though this isn't currently spelled out directly, the encoder/decoder streams contain "instructions" - which cause the receiver to take an action. Header blocks contain representations, which emit headers fields. The word instruction doesn't appear in this section. The other representations don't seem to call themselves such, however. And only this one contains the language about adding to the decoded header list. I guess I prefer emit also, but maybe we need to make another consistency pass. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2942#pullrequestreview-302247684 ----==_mimepart_5da658ec53a61_76c33f7f106cd968608b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -445,19 +443,23 @@ encoder sends a Set Dynamic Table Capacity instruction
 ({{set-dynamic-capacity}}) with a non-zero capacity to begin using the dynamic
 table.
 
-Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
-end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
-equal to (table capacity - size of new entry). The encoder MUST NOT evict a
-blocking dynamic table entry (see {{blocked-insertion}}).  The entry is then
-added to the table.  It is an error if the encoder attempts to add an entry that
-is larger than the dynamic table capacity; the decoder MUST treat this as a
+When a new entry is added to the dynamic table, the minimum number of entries
+are evicted from the end of the dynamic table so that the final table size
+including the new entry does not exceed the table capacity.  This can be

This is an awfully long sentence without punctuation. Maybe set off 'including the new entry' with commas?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +including the new entry does not exceed the table capacity.  This can be
+achieved by adding the new entry and then removing entries from the end until
+the table size is less than or equal to the table capacity.  Another option is
+to first evict entries until the size of the dynamic table is less than or equal
+to (table capacity - size of new entry), then add the new entry.  Note that a

Actually, this language comes directly from HPACK. Why is it necessary to offer the add+remove option, instead of remove+add? There isn't normative language here, so an implementation can do it either way and still be compliant.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -603,7 +607,8 @@ is used without modification.
 This document expands the definition of string literals and permits them to
 begin other than on a byte boundary.  An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins
 with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit
-prefix integer.  The remainder of the string literal is unmodified.
+prefix integer.  The prefix size, N, can have a value between 2 and 8.  The

I didn't see a 2-bit prefix anywhere, should this be 3 and 8 (inclusive)?

But I see this as a bit of overkill. If we allow 1 or 2 in QPACK2 we have to remember to change this.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
-the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding.
+the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is one of the most efficient encodings.

It's true there are other 2 byte encodings, but I think we should encourage 0/0. Maybe we should even require it?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -952,10 +954,8 @@ entry.
 
 ### Indexed Header Field
 
-An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static
-table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the
-decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541].
-<!-- is the 7541 reference still helpful here -->
+An indexed header field instruction identifies an entry in either the static

Why did you change this from representation to instruction? Though this isn't currently spelled out directly, the encoder/decoder streams contain "instructions" - which cause the receiver to take an action. Header blocks contain representations, which emit headers fields. The word instruction doesn't appear in this section.

The other representations don't seem to call themselves such, however. And only this one contains the language about adding to the decoded header list. I guess I prefer emit also, but maybe we need to make another consistency pass.

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Commit: c42516d7681ebbd61839bf83910dd37fc05465b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c42516d7681ebbd61839bf83910dd37fc05465b1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be a little clearer about what is being protected Commit: 3bd85b455bad9d6e6196f6f04454701661d077f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3bd85b455bad9d6e6196f6f04454701661d077f8 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- add example that uses PRF Commit: 03979a0235d6fd3ff79555911c79bc5c10e2b61a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03979a0235d6fd3ff79555911c79bc5c10e2b61a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix stateless reset ordering; use datagrams This removes the strict requirement on processing order for stateless reset. This allows endpoints to decide whether to process every packet this way or to just treat those that fail to be processed for other reasons. This also switches to detection on a *datagram* basis. Closes #3085. 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 15 16:59:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537F7120825 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:59:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yxJDpdsyUfk2 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 039B8120019 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317CC660A6E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:59:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571183987; bh=H7wl2umGw6zlgfgx2Nr7ueDFd3N/bdPIqJRNuLNwNIo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LwZ5HMCQEZmmfm4JXwUi1pEDLoxEbDijLH6IgH8vesEt3Y98Mq+c6w/eMOXrfRQzI nIcrm2EJpODvx7CX46uffTcc6xw2SNXzXLAXzS8t8cc9D7iORQKFd5UU39pjKGkx0n cpsJZnVspZazMOo/8eeQqMkXlZjhcOnPaauJs0Rw= Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:59:47 -0700 From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK [editorial] update RIC and Base on figures (#2935) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da65d7320ec6_65293f9be08cd9607922c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 23:59:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da65d7320ec6_65293f9be08cd9607922c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This confusion comes from when we changed Absolute Index to start from 0, and Base *Index* became just "Base". What is Base now anyways? Base is now a *Count*, and perhaps we should rename it to Base Count everywhere. Because Base is a Count and not an Index, it shouldn't really point anywhere in the diagram. Maybe we should remove the arrow entirely, and just say, `Base = n - 2` If we really have to have an arrow, then where should it point when Base = Required Insert Count? Required Insert Count = 2 Base = 2 ``` Base | v | 1 | 0 | # Absolute | 0 | 1 | # Relative ``` or ``` Base | v | 1 | 0 | # Absolute | 0 | 1 | # Relative ``` Or when Base is 0 ? Required Insert Count = 2 Base = 0 ``` Base | v | 1 | 0 | # Absolute | 0 | 1 | # Relative ``` or ``` Base | v | 1 | 0 | # Absolute | 0 | 1 | # Relative ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This confusion comes from when we changed Absolute Index to start from 0, and Base Index became just "Base". What is Base now anyways? Base is now a Count, and perhaps we should rename it to Base Count everywhere.

Because Base is a Count and not an Index, it shouldn't really point anywhere in the diagram. Maybe we should remove the arrow entirely, and just say, Base = n - 2

If we really have to have an arrow, then where should it point when Base = Required Insert Count?

Required Insert Count = 2
Base = 2

Base
  |
  v 
  | 1 | 0 |   # Absolute
  | 0 | 1 |   # Relative

or

Base
  |
  v 
    | 1 | 0 |   # Absolute
    | 0 | 1 |   # Relative

Or when Base is 0 ?

Required Insert Count = 2
Base = 0

      Base
        |
        v 
  | 1 | 0 |   # Absolute
  | 0 | 1 |   # Relative

or

        Base
          |
          v 
  | 1 | 0 |   # Absolute
  | 0 | 1 |   # Relative

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -682,10 +682,10 @@ acknowledged as this instruction does not insert an entry.
 An encoder adds an entry to the dynamic table where the header field name
 matches the header field name of an entry stored in the static or the dynamic
 table using an instruction that starts with the '1' one-bit pattern.  The second
-(`S`) bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The
+('T') bit indicates whether the reference is to the static or dynamic table. The

I'm fine with T. T=1 -> Static is a little weird I guess, but you can just think about it as the sTatic table bit.

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----==_mimepart_5da65e82a3313_1ca33feea24cd96813233a-- From nobody Tue Oct 15 17:06:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3031012082D for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hPUi-MOA9Wy for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89E13120825 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:06:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571184389; bh=yhNbiT7MY3AOOOwj+Rw+pUeZzwhxX2IJNM4ctXs0uQU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kqY1fbKSuvK+Tj0JW/wSpwMr/u7vWSfPgk2KhigaVi6/HcEAsNvSSxeqyUCQCgD6r prbdTRvMCOR55BG+tqbt9t0gJscg0KdZbHVZdrOYKYrdHac1PFQfXCNl22+EYuF8ek 5eBtmGsdiSPkZ2CLrxIyQCpprYdStbLL9O5KYAyY= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more specific when naming bits (#3089) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da65f059b040_36903ff1250cd96493534"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:06:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da65f059b040_36903ff1250cd96493534 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As for 'B' vs `B`, transport doc just uses (B). Maybe we should follow suit, bui I can do in a separate pass. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3089#issuecomment-542454200 ----==_mimepart_5da65f059b040_36903ff1250cd96493534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As for 'B' vs B, transport doc just uses (B). Maybe we should follow suit, bui I can do in a separate pass.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 15 17:15:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E971C12083A for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:15:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AbRom_pVjHbo for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DDAA12082D for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:15:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571184922; bh=igiooreqM7a1PzT3H0otoqDaZFujh2ZdgR3EbKDDq3U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yzcY1n1D4pOKYWCT30CRmxzONkstOTMlxDS50gQxz8QiJ4yJCaSV1+RnogarKQIdH DdG+XQsW1bngmUNzJkybL2pXaOmULSbk1YHWlORVIJw7iSW60In8cvP8HJVYa1hiiy EEs1smrhjQ+IVrky/9Yu14L6IZDT0NuXdf+bZ2mc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Backoff of CONNECTION_CLOSE needs to be a MUST (#3095) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da6611a34765_4cc83fde386cd968162929"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 00:15:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da6611a34765_4cc83fde386cd968162929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, the backoff is merely a recommendation. Quoting from [section 10.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.10.3): _endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame._ However, there is a DoS attack vector unless we make this a MUST, as an attacker can create bounce of packets carrying CONNECTION_CLOSE frames between two servers. Consider the case where you have two servers (A, B) that use the original DCIDs supplied by the client as the server CIDs. The attacker sends the following two Initial packets: * srcaddr=A, destaddr=B, srcCID=X, destCID=Y * srcaddr=B, destaddr=A, srcCID=Y, destCID=X Both of the two packets would contain an invalid payload. Then, both server A and server B would enter the CLOSING state sending CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to the peer. While in the CLOSING state, the specification allows endpoints to respond to packets from peer without decrypting them. Therefore, this creates a ping-pong. 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At the moment, the backoff is merely a recommendation. Quoting from section 10.3: endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

However, there is a DoS attack vector unless we make this a MUST, as an attacker can create bounce of packets carrying CONNECTION_CLOSE frames between two servers.

Consider the case where you have two servers (A, B) that use the original DCIDs supplied by the client as the server CIDs.

The attacker sends the following two Initial packets:

  • srcaddr=A, destaddr=B, srcCID=X, destCID=Y
  • srcaddr=B, destaddr=A, srcCID=Y, destCID=X

Both of the two packets would contain an invalid payload.

Then, both server A and server B would enter the CLOSING state sending CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to the peer. While in the CLOSING state, the specification allows endpoints to respond to packets from peer without decrypting them. Therefore, this creates a ping-pong.

To prevent this type of attack, I think we need to change "SHOULD limit" of the quoted text to "MUST limit". The alternative might be to forbid servers adopting the DCID given by the clients as their server CIDs.

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The sending side can enforce at 3PTO, by dropping the connection. The text in the PR adopts 1 PTO as a suggestion, as I am not sure if there is a point in that value being the exact limit. If it needs to be, we can rephrase the text to "MUST retire the corresponding connection IDs in one PTO and send corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames." You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3096 -- Commit Summary -- * MUST retire, suggest within 1 PTO -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3096.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3096.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3096 ----==_mimepart_5da6681f10c08_1cc83fd410ccd96c1038d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closes #3046.

@martinthomson:

As discussed, should be that the receiving side will retire within one PTO. The sending side can enforce at 3PTO, by dropping the connection.

The text in the PR adopts 1 PTO as a suggestion, as I am not sure if there is a point in that value being the exact limit. If it needs to be, we can rephrase the text to "MUST retire the corresponding connection IDs in one PTO and send corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames."

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3096

Commit Summary

  • MUST retire, suggest within 1 PTO

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 15 21:36:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9A512085E for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PYx4iLJdf2ti for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DD0012006F for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:36:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571200594; bh=f2hcBy09UKqYWaMPvUiXzboRH454FcoLGX3kK3DhBT8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R8RawRKc1+5F6be6DROWRltZC/42t62JvceJmQvEJDkF9zaj8K4UD+t9+rWgO8tJ5 Mz7ltzol/krBogGYlgvdkH6qsEm+uv2RMi2dsD/zEH7/lolXQW6jPn9y20hJM08xAt QPeNAY9rOKEfyAR+l43st5INhFcYr83TZ4uT65W4= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is CONNECTION_CLOSE ACK-eliciting? (#3097) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da69e523f8d1_3a003fd1552cd95c1887d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 04:36:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da69e523f8d1_3a003fd1552cd95c1887d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, we state that _a QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING_ ([section 1.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.1.2)), but I wonder if that is true for CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame never elicits an acknowledgment. IIUC, it is not meant to be governed by the congestion controller. Considering the aspects, I think we should add CONNECTION_CLOSE to the list of *non-*ACK-eliciting frames. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3097 ----==_mimepart_5da69e523f8d1_3a003fd1552cd95c1887d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At the moment, we state that a QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING (section 1.2), but I wonder if that is true for CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame never elicits an acknowledgment. IIUC, it is not meant to be governed by the congestion controller.

Considering the aspects, I think we should add CONNECTION_CLOSE to the list of *non-*ACK-eliciting frames.

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That also ensures the congestion controller never inadvertently blocks sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE, which is consistent with the intent.

If we make this change, I believe APPLICATION_CLOSE needs to be on the list as well.

Now that we discuss ack-eliciting in transport, I think we'd need to change both transport and recovery and mark this design.

So I think this would be a slight improvement, but I an also imagine people claiming that CONNECITON_CLOSE is already special, so there's no need for a change.

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Only the author of this PR and editors of the spec ever commented on this editorial issue. This indicates to me that this issue is insignificant. I encourage any of the editors to just make a decision on where Base should point or if it should appear on the drawing at all. I'm happy to implement that so that we can cross this PR off the list.

If the decision is that Base should point between two elements, or that it should be removed from the drawing, then I suggest adding text specifying that Base = n-2.

By the way it just occurred to me that RIC does not belong to this diagram at all. In fact it is possible that a header block does not reference the most recently inserted element, in which case RIC has a different value than currently indicated.

In my mental model Base is neither an index nor a count. It is an integer that the encoder sends to the decoder, which is then used for arithmetics described in the spec to convert between absolute and relative indices. I'm not convinced that renaming it to Base Count would increase clarity.

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I had not realized the distinction between instructions and representations when I started working on this PR, and even though later I reverted most of my related changes, I missed this one. I'm changing it back to "representation". As far as "add" versus "emit" is concerned, 4.5.2 has "causes to be added", 4.5.3 does not say anything explicitly, 4.5.4 and 4.5.5 has "represents", and 4.5.6 has "encodes". Let me address this in another PR. Until then I might as well revert to "causes to be added". > A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for -the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding. +the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is one of the most efficient encodings. My motivation for the change to this sentence is that I consider the statement "setting Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding" to be incorrect. I agree that it is nice to encourage 0/0, and I think this is still the case after my proposed change. As far as requiring it, I see no advantage to that, but in any case that change might not be editorial, so I think it should be done in a separate PR. > @@ -603,7 +607,8 @@ is used without modification. This document expands the definition of string literals and permits them to begin other than on a byte boundary. An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit -prefix integer. The remainder of the string literal is unmodified. +prefix integer. The prefix size, N, can have a value between 2 and 8. The For comparison, RFC7541 5.1 specificly allows the prefix length to be between 1 and 8, inclusive, even though prefix lengths 1, 2, and 8 are never used in HPACK. And that's great because now QPACK does not have to call out that the prefix can be 8 bits (for example, for Encoder Required Insert Count). So I suggest to be as permissive here as reasonable. If we allow N to be 1, then after the Huffman bit, the length is encoded as an 8-bit prefix integer, and not an N-1 = 0 bit prefix integer. Is this worth adding here given that it's not used? > +including the new entry does not exceed the table capacity. This can be +achieved by adding the new entry and then removing entries from the end until +the table size is less than or equal to the table capacity. Another option is +to first evict entries until the size of the dynamic table is less than or equal +to (table capacity - size of new entry), then add the new entry. Note that a It's a good point that this section is not normative. Let me just revert most of my changes to this paragraph for sake of simplicity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -952,10 +954,8 @@ entry.
 
 ### Indexed Header Field
 
-An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static
-table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the
-decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541].
-<!-- is the 7541 reference still helpful here -->
+An indexed header field instruction identifies an entry in either the static

Sorry about "instruction". I had not realized the distinction between instructions and representations when I started working on this PR, and even though later I reverted most of my related changes, I missed this one. I'm changing it back to "representation".

As far as "add" versus "emit" is concerned, 4.5.2 has "causes to be added", 4.5.3 does not say anything explicitly, 4.5.4 and 4.5.5 has "represents", and 4.5.6 has "encodes". Let me address this in another PR. Until then I might as well revert to "causes to be added".

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 A header block that does not reference the dynamic table can use any value for
-the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding.
+the Base; setting Delta Base to zero is one of the most efficient encodings.

My motivation for the change to this sentence is that I consider the statement "setting Delta Base to zero is the most efficient encoding" to be incorrect. I agree that it is nice to encourage 0/0, and I think this is still the case after my proposed change. As far as requiring it, I see no advantage to that, but in any case that change might not be editorial, so I think it should be done in a separate PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -603,7 +607,8 @@ is used without modification.
 This document expands the definition of string literals and permits them to
 begin other than on a byte boundary.  An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins
 with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit
-prefix integer.  The remainder of the string literal is unmodified.
+prefix integer.  The prefix size, N, can have a value between 2 and 8.  The

For comparison, RFC7541 5.1 specificly allows the prefix length to be between 1 and 8, inclusive, even though prefix lengths 1, 2, and 8 are never used in HPACK. And that's great because now QPACK does not have to call out that the prefix can be 8 bits (for example, for Encoder Required Insert Count). So I suggest to be as permissive here as reasonable.

If we allow N to be 1, then after the Huffman bit, the length is encoded as an 8-bit prefix integer, and not an N-1 = 0 bit prefix integer. Is this worth adding here given that it's not used?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +including the new entry does not exceed the table capacity.  This can be
+achieved by adding the new entry and then removing entries from the end until
+the table size is less than or equal to the table capacity.  Another option is
+to first evict entries until the size of the dynamic table is less than or equal
+to (table capacity - size of new entry), then add the new entry.  Note that a

It's a good point that this section is not normative. Let me just revert most of my changes to this paragraph for sake of simplicity.

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In this case, I believe both sides are in the server role. Servers don't need to pad Initial packets and servers drop Initials less than 1200 bytes, so I believe the other 'Server' would drop the Initial CONNECTION_CLOSE and this would stop quickly.

However, if an implementation padded all Initials, this could be a problem, so more clarity on Initial padding may be necessary? ie: Servers SHOULD NOT pad Initial packets containing only CONNECTION_CLOSE.

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Servers don't need to pad Initial packets and servers drop Initials less than 1200 bytes, so I believe the other 'Server' would drop the Initial CONNECTION_CLOSE and this would stop quickly.

Oh I missed that point. Thank you for pointing it out.

Though it is still possible to mount this attack by sending an invalid 0-RTT packet

Consider the case where an attacker obtains a session ticket from both servers beforehand, and sends datagrams to the servers, each consisting of Initial and 0-RTT packets (of which 0-RTT packet contains an invalid frame). Then, assuming that both servers accept 0-RTT, they would send to each other a series of Initial, Handshake, and 1-RTT packets, of which the 1-RTT packet would contain an CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

So that would cause a ping-pong.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I think that the most interesting behaviour to specify is at the endpoint that requests retirement. "Endpoints that request that peers retire connection IDs SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain connection IDs that they have requested be retired for a period of approximately three times the PTO."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1032,10 +1032,11 @@ longer plans to use that address.
 
 An endpoint can request that its peer retire connection IDs by sending a
 NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To field.  Upon receipt,
-the peer SHOULD retire the corresponding connection IDs and send the
-corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames in a timely manner.  Failing to do so
-can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a
-stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.
+the peer MUST retire the corresponding connection IDs and send corresponding
+RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames.  Failing to retire the connection IDs within one
+PTO can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to

Maybe we could even say "approximately", and add "Endpoints that request that peers retire connection IDs SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain connection IDs that they have requested be retired for a period of approximately three times the PTO."

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APPLICATION_CLOSE is no more. This seems like a fine change.

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fixes #3097

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  • CONNECTION_CLOSE is non-ack-eliciting

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

Looks fine to me. I'm also fine with Martin's suggestions as well.

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In a one-pass encoder, Base is the Insert Count when the encoder begins encoding the block. In a two-pass encoder, I assume most folks set Base = RIC. So I think it logically is a count, but lets put aside whether to rename it since that's not happening in this PR.

For now, I say remove RIC from the figure, but leave the arrow where it is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -477,28 +479,27 @@ it can choose to use a lower dynamic table capacity (see
 
 For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the server's maximum table capacity is
 the remembered value of the setting, or zero if the value was not previously
-sent.  When the client's 0-RTT value of the SETTING is 0, the server MAY set it

Yeah, I guess zero pairs better with non-zero? I don't think it makes a huge difference either way.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -603,7 +607,8 @@ is used without modification.
 This document expands the definition of string literals and permits them to
 begin other than on a byte boundary.  An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins
 with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit
-prefix integer.  The remainder of the string literal is unmodified.
+prefix integer.  The prefix size, N, can have a value between 2 and 8.  The

Ah, right, N=1 doesn't make sense. 2 and 8 inclusive?

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PS. Though I now realize that the maximum about of bytes that each server would ping-pong is limited to 3x the size of the datagram that the attacker sends.

So it might be possible to call this a non-issue, though the number of UDP packets that the servers would send might be less concerning (it would be like 30 UDP packets, assuming that the packets containing CONNECTION_CLOSE would be around 100 bytes each).

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -167,8 +168,8 @@ of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
   performance of the QUIC handshake and use shorter timers for
   acknowledgement.
 
-* Packets that contain only ACK frames do not count toward congestion control
-  limits and are not considered in-flight.
+* Packets that contain only ACK or CONNECTION_CLOSE frames do not count toward

It's not clear if the "only" applies only to ACKs or to both.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -192,8 +192,9 @@ QUIC packet:
 
 Ack-eliciting Packet:
 
-: A QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING. These cause a
-  recipient to send an acknowledgment (see {{sending-acknowledgements}}).
+: A QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK, PADDING, and
+  CONNECTION_CLOSE. These cause a recipient to send an acknowledgment (see

If you bundle a CONNECTION_CLOSE with other frames, it's still not ack ack-eliciting, is it?

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This seems sensible.

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This issue has been addressed by #2857.

Now, the text says: "It is RECOMMENDED that at least 100 requests be permitted at a time, so as to not unnecessarily limit parallelism." (section 6.1)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -167,8 +168,8 @@ of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
   performance of the QUIC handshake and use shorter timers for
   acknowledgement.
 
-* Packets that contain only ACK frames do not count toward congestion control
-  limits and are not considered in-flight.
+* Packets that contain only ACK or CONNECTION_CLOSE frames do not count toward

We could reword this sentence to be parallel to the above definition and flip the sentence, ie:
"Packets containing frames besides ACK or CONNECTION_CLOSE count toward congestion control limits and are considered in-flight."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -192,8 +192,9 @@ QUIC packet:
 
 Ack-eliciting Packet:
 
-: A QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING. These cause a
-  recipient to send an acknowledgment (see {{sending-acknowledgements}}).
+: A QUIC packet that contains frames other than ACK, PADDING, and
+  CONNECTION_CLOSE. These cause a recipient to send an acknowledgment (see

It would be, but it wouldn't really matter because the connection will close.

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----==_mimepart_5da74da19834b_42cb3fc987acd95c118285-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 10:16:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CB212020A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RBzCXFj5WMiQ for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CD0C12012D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656C52C3365 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:15:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571246156; bh=Q55EVpRZcLew/QYyElCS2HdWHzfn/wIE6vhCcjycohc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RyJ7WeJf+oOHT+DUnY3/j0lmMt/SVwhulP0PmVpz1PrQ5Yo8EbxaQ0pG7vbbzK5AP JxQzF1bLiOs/aDAi8DcGstqW1v4WqRjMo/ipKPe75HGknZE1tOonkf9p2kUg7GbZQ0 hLo+Iagg8rV2/oqBIbbOCGC9qItNjM5UgXi2h6bI= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:15:56 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do Initial secrets change after Retry packet? (#2823) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7504c54e6a_2a743fcac5ecd96451924"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:15:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7504c54e6a_2a743fcac5ecd96451924 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One new point that came up in the discussion of #3014 is that if every packet is self-contained(ie: option 2), it would be possible for the server to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE to terminate a handshake that is doomed to failure quickly, opposed to waiting for the handshake to timeout. If my PR is accepted, the server would not be able to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2823#issuecomment-542802852 ----==_mimepart_5da7504c54e6a_2a743fcac5ecd96451924 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

One new point that came up in the discussion of #3014 is that if every packet is self-contained(ie: option 2), it would be possible for the server to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE to terminate a handshake that is doomed to failure quickly, opposed to waiting for the handshake to timeout.

If my PR is accepted, the server would not be able to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE.

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How is the bit flip error different from an attacker spoofing a Retry packet with made up values?

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Discussed in Cupertino. Agreement in the room for MANDATORY use of AES-GCM with zero key and zero nonce to protect the Retry token. The entire packet would be AAD. @DavidSchinazi's addition of potentially eliding DCID to be thought through by assignee of issue.

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If we do a change like that, how do we test it?

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This makes idle timeout symmetric by stating that a peer will close the connection at or soon after the idle timeout expires, creating clear expectations of idle timeout behavior.

Fixes #2602
Takes some of the improved text from #2745

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Some nits. Also for completeness you'll want to fixup the QPACK spec's reference to SETTINGS frame as well. > +sending peer, which can be used by the receiving peer. However, a negotiation +can be implied by the use of settings - each peer uses settings to advertise a +set of supported values. The definition of the setting would describe how each +peer combines the two sets to conclude which choice will be used. The settings +mechanism does not provide a mechanism to identify when the choice takes effect. + +Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For +example, a client might be willing to consume a very large response header, +while servers are more cautious about request size. + +The same setting identifier MUST NOT occur more than once in settings. +A receiver MAY treat the presence of duplicate setting identifiers as a +connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR. + +Each parameter consists of a setting identifier and a value, both encoded as +QUCI variable-length integers, as shown in {{fig-ext-settings}}. A settings ```suggestion QUIC variable-length integers, as shown in {{fig-ext-settings}}. A settings ``` > | DATA | No | Yes | Yes | {{frame-data}} | | HEADERS | No | Yes | Yes | {{frame-headers}} | | CANCEL_PUSH | Yes | No | No | {{frame-cancel-push}} | -| SETTINGS | Yes (1) | No | No | {{frame-settings}} | | PUSH_PROMISE | No | Yes | No | {{frame-push-promise}} | | GOAWAY | Yes | No | No | {{frame-goaway}} | | MAX_PUSH_ID | Yes | No | No | {{frame-max-push-id}} | Note that the side effect of this change is that is removes the only remaining instance of (1), which is described underneath the table ("Certain frames can only occur as the first frame of a particular stream type"). So we probably want to remove that foot note as part of this PR. > @@ -1498,9 +1479,8 @@ protocol elements. Implementations MUST discard frames and unidirectional streams that have unknown or unsupported types. This means that any of these extension points can be safely used by extensions without prior arrangement or negotiation. However, where a known frame type is required to be in a specific -location, such as the SETTINGS frame as the first frame of the control stream -(see {{control-streams}}), an unknown frame type does not satisfy that -requirement and SHOULD be treated as an error. +location, an unknown frame type does not satisfy that requirement and SHOULD be +treated as an error. With removing of SETTINGS there is no other case in the core HTTP/3 document that requires specific frame location. So I think this whole "However" clause can just be removed and make the text clearer. > @@ -1529,6 +1529,33 @@ handshake or by frames sent in 1-RTT packets. A server MAY treat use of updated transport parameters in 0-RTT as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +### Application Parameters {#app-params} + +The transport parameter application_layer_parameters is used by the application +protocol to exchange application-specific parameters concurrently with the +cryptographic and transport handshake. The contents of an application parameter +are opaque to QUIC transport and their semantic meaning is defined by their +application protocol. + +Each application protocol MAY specify use of application parameters to be sent +by one of or both the client and server. If not specified, an application +parameter MUST NOT be sent for tht application's ALPN. For each application ```suggestion parameter MUST NOT be sent for that application's ALPN. For each application ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2958#pullrequestreview-302756814 ----==_mimepart_5da75ae97ea99_5a5e3fe73e8cd95c137294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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+peer combines the two sets to conclude which choice will be used.  The s=
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+mechanism does not provide a mechanism to identify when the choice takes=
 effect.=0D
+=0D
+Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. =
For=0D
+example, a client might be willing to consume a very large response head=
er,=0D
+while servers are more cautious about request size.=0D
+=0D
+The same setting identifier MUST NOT occur more than once in settings.=0D=

+A receiver MAY treat the presence of duplicate setting identifiers as a=0D=

+connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.=0D
+=0D
+Each parameter consists of a setting identifier and a value, both encode=
d as=0D
+QUCI variable-length integers, as shown in {{fig-ext-settings}}. A setti=
ngs=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-QUCI variable-length integers, as shown in {{=
fig-ext-settings}}. A settings=0D
+QUIC variable-length integers, as shown in {{fig-ext-settings}}. A setti=
ngs=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

=0D 
>  | DATA           | No             | Yes  =
          | Yes         | {{frame-data}}           |=0D
 | HEADERS        | No             | Yes            | Yes         | {{fra=
me-headers}}        |=0D
 | CANCEL_PUSH    | Yes            | No             | No          | {{fra=
me-cancel-push}}    |=0D
-| SETTINGS       | Yes (1)        | No             | No          | {{fra=
me-settings}}       |=0D
 | PUSH_PROMISE   | No             | Yes            | No          | {{fra=
me-push-promise}}   |=0D
 | GOAWAY         | Yes            | No             | No          | {{fra=
me-goaway}}         |=0D
 | MAX_PUSH_ID    | Yes            | No             | No          | {{fra=
me-max-push-id}}    |=0D
=0D

Note that the side effect of this change is that is removes the only r= emaining instance of (1), which is described underneath the table ("Certa= in frames can only occur as the first frame of a particular stream type")= . So we probably want to remove that foot note as part of this PR.

=0D= =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

=0D 
> @@ -1498,9 +1479,8 @@ protocol elements.  =
Implementations MUST discard frames and unidirectional=0D
 streams that have unknown or unsupported types.  This means that any of =
these=0D
 extension points can be safely used by extensions without prior arrangem=
ent or=0D
 negotiation.  However, where a known frame type is required to be in a s=
pecific=0D
-location, such as the SETTINGS frame as the first frame of the control s=
tream=0D
-(see {{control-streams}}), an unknown frame type does not satisfy that=0D=

-requirement and SHOULD be treated as an error.=0D
+location, an unknown frame type does not satisfy that requirement and SH=
OULD be=0D
+treated as an error.=0D
=0D

With removing of SETTINGS there is no other case in the core HTTP/3 do= cument that requires specific frame location. So I think this whole "Howe= ver" clause can just be removed and make the text clearer.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> @@ -1529,6 +1529,33 @@ handshake or by fra=
mes sent in 1-RTT packets.  A server MAY treat use of updated=0D
 transport parameters in 0-RTT as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIO=
LATION.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+### Application Parameters {#app-params}=0D
+=0D
+The transport parameter application_layer_parameters is used by the appl=
ication=0D
+protocol to exchange application-specific parameters concurrently with t=
he=0D
+cryptographic and transport handshake. The contents of an application pa=
rameter=0D
+are opaque to QUIC transport and their semantic meaning is defined by th=
eir=0D
+application protocol.=0D
+=0D
+Each application protocol MAY specify use of application parameters to b=
e sent=0D
+by one of or both the client and server. If not specified, an applicatio=
n=0D
+parameter MUST NOT be sent for tht application's ALPN. For each appl=
ication=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-parameter MUST NOT be sent for tht applicatio=
n's ALPN. For each application=0D
+parameter MUST NOT be sent for that application's ALPN. For each applica=
tion=0D
=0D =0D =0D

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In a one-pass encoder, Base is the Insert Count when the encoder begins encoding the block. In a two-pass encoder, I assume most folks set Base = RIC. So I think it logically is a count, but lets put aside whether to rename it since that's not happening in this PR.

For now, I say remove RIC from the figure, but leave the arrow where it is.

Sounds good to me. Let me add text specifying the Base value because it is not clear for those not familiar with the "indices point between elements" mental model or would be confused by the element with a given index being the one not on the right of the arrow but on the left.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -603,7 +607,8 @@ is used without modification.
 This document expands the definition of string literals and permits them to
 begin other than on a byte boundary.  An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins
 with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit
-prefix integer.  The remainder of the string literal is unmodified.
+prefix integer.  The prefix size, N, can have a value between 2 and 8.  The

Okay. I guess it is the word "inclusive" that you are missing, so I'm adding it.

It is interesting (but irrelevant) to note that RFC7541 5.1 does not explicitly include the word "inclusive", though the next sentence implies that 8 is allowed:
"The prefix size, N, is always between 1 and 8 bits. An integer starting at an octet boundary will have an 8-bit prefix."

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@huitema to add a test to the interop matrix

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Sorry I'm late here but I think it would still be good to mention that congestion control usually is supposed to work on a RTT granularity and if you send less ACKs than one per RTT that can have an impact on cc. I don't think this has to be a normative requirement given you have normative requirements on max_ack_delay and a reasonable default value but it would still be good to mention this dependency as cc is done on sender and ACKing on receiver and therefore it might not always that obvious.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -477,28 +479,27 @@ it can choose to use a lower dynamic table capacity (see
 
 For clients using 0-RTT data in HTTP/3, the server's maximum table capacity is
 the remembered value of the setting, or zero if the value was not previously
-sent.  When the client's 0-RTT value of the SETTING is 0, the server MAY set it

Thanks for chiming in. In that case I'm keeping this change.

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I did not realize that the PTO was not already expected to be per number space!

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Discussed in Cupertino. @ianswett to rework #3066.

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----==_mimepart_5da762d59ec3a_2ed93fb1918cd96c136022-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 11:53:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0585E12081D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T8BQ7GSgY1KH for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4442B12090C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC61521A87 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571251999; bh=fUGIjKX36G1B0Xc2x8n027fZPCPMlTfyyvoSy2+a1OU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mDzcBR8xkUVedy1st9rzgXpw98LWGHFOj2IEL5UIX8gDrm7oDFu5fLySS91AoKeZt 8qKxv8ec+Vtg5jCMERrLX7qQAhF/zUQGpuz2IiruIwCw5pSa34hB1uTdQQ9qY5bG0t swA01qYSWVGaKBOZMX2sjHz+W32nqyZa4+9ZQBG0= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:53:19 -0700 From: Vidhi Goel Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] congestion window increase on every ACKed packet could result in bursty sends (#3094) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7671f70c44_71bf3fc6776cd96419361b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: goelvidhi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:53:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7671f70c44_71bf3fc6776cd96419361b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please note that PR #2675 addresses the issue of app-limited or pacing-limited cases to not increase cwnd when it is under utilized. My concern is cwnd being inflated due to an ACK frame containing ACKs for large number of packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-542842037 ----==_mimepart_5da7671f70c44_71bf3fc6776cd96419361b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Please note that PR #2675 addresses the issue of app-limited or pacing-limited cases to not increase cwnd when it is under utilized.

My concern is cwnd being inflated due to an ACK frame containing ACKs for large number of packets.

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Note: at the moment, recovery states "When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet as a probe, unless there is no data available to send."

We need remove the "unless".

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Discussed in Cupertino. With the change in #3066 and #3093, we believe this deadlock issue is addressed. (also, = @kazuho has a pending edit).

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An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within a -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint can advertise a different idle timeout value. An idle timeout +indicates the connection will be abandoned when the timer ends or soon +afterwards. If a peer advertises a smaller idle timeout value than the +local endpoint, the local endpoint MAY choose to idle timeout after the +shorter period advertised by the peer. By announcing an idle timeout, +an endpoint commits to initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +if it abandons a connection prior to both its peers and its own idle timeout +expiring. I don't think I follow this sentence. What is the endpoint committing to? To closing the connection at min(local_timeout, remote_timeout)? > -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within a -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint can advertise a different idle timeout value. An idle timeout +indicates the connection will be abandoned when the timer ends or soon +afterwards. If a peer advertises a smaller idle timeout value than the +local endpoint, the local endpoint MAY choose to idle timeout after the +shorter period advertised by the peer. By announcing an idle timeout, +an endpoint commits to initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +if it abandons a connection prior to both its peers and its own idle timeout +expiring. + +An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout period of a peer ```suggestion An endpoint that sends packets near the end of its peer's idle timeout period ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099#pullrequestreview-302773060 ----==_mimepart_5da76b684395f_51653f86b58cd96423179e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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@larseggert My point is #3093 (comment).

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@martinthomson I believe discussion in Cupertino resolved your concern.

I believe @marten-seemann's chart has been addressed by discussion in Cupertino, pending further analysis that shows a different problem.

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Belay that last comment from me. The friendly amendment here that we need is to the text on discarding Handshake keys that says "no sooner than handshake confirmed" rather than requiring Handshake keys to be discarded at that point.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 16 13:28:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99490120122 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRAOBGxOU2ao for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96C24120116 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:28:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571257720; bh=WVzuul3R749eaya1G/t4UCXH3yHtXGbm4hrVTs/WVpw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KvSkLWIa/nMc4/EbRDmsi94H1yggDUCKUYs0WC66Xn2HFuEPcZs4udeOMCBjgr6/S o/aGT+fSaLfkLZwE608hJpZQm4lmqLRgAyQPoGkTCd2SMQOJ1HEmTNFNdVMubR1kNq RtCqN0i/FS3fMS/kV/hRrB/BLIhSdndF/G3Mys58= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idle timeout indicates you will timeout (#3099) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da77d7889741_4b663fa1ba4cd95c353240"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:28:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da77d7889741_4b663fa1ba4cd95c353240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > -endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that -endpoint. An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within a -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint can advertise a different idle timeout value. An idle timeout +indicates the connection will be abandoned when the timer ends or soon +afterwards. If a peer advertises a smaller idle timeout value than the +local endpoint, the local endpoint MAY choose to idle timeout after the +shorter period advertised by the peer. By announcing an idle timeout, +an endpoint commits to initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +if it abandons a connection prior to both its peers and its own idle timeout +expiring. It's committing to explicitly closing(and not silently closing) if it's before min(local_timeout, remote_timeout). This was adapted from MT's PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099#discussion_r335692657 ----==_mimepart_5da77d7889741_4b663fa1ba4cd95c353240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that
-endpoint.  An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout
-period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the
-draining state before the packets arrive.  If a peer could timeout within a
-Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to
-test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely.  Note
-that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will
-know what information can be retried.
+Each endpoint can advertise a different idle timeout value. An idle timeout
+indicates the connection will be abandoned when the timer ends or soon
+afterwards.  If a peer advertises a smaller idle timeout value than the
+local endpoint, the local endpoint MAY choose to idle timeout after the
+shorter period advertised by the peer.  By announcing an idle timeout,
+an endpoint commits to initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}})
+if it abandons a connection prior to both its peers and its own idle timeout
+expiring.

It's committing to explicitly closing(and not silently closing) if it's before min(local_timeout, remote_timeout). This was adapted from MT's PR.

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Discussed in Cupertino, min reaffirmed as the solution. Folks should review #3099 now.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

This doesn't read particularly well as written. I've suggested something, but I'm not entirely sure that it works.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2357,15 +2357,22 @@ containing frames other than ACK or PADDING (an ack-eliciting packet; see
 since last receiving a packet.  Restarting when sending packets ensures that
 connections do not prematurely time out when initiating new activity.
 
-The value for an idle timeout can be asymmetric.  The value advertised by an
-endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that
-endpoint.  An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout
-period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the
-draining state before the packets arrive.  If a peer could timeout within a
-Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to
-test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely.  Note
-that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will
-know what information can be retried.
+Each endpoint can advertise a different idle timeout value. An idle timeout
+indicates the connection will be abandoned when the timer ends or soon
+afterwards.  If a peer advertises a smaller idle timeout value than the

Each endpoint advertises a different idle timeout, but the effective value is determined by taking the minimum of the two advertised values. By announcing an idle timeout, endpoints commit to initiating an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons a connection prior to the effective value.

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@RyanAtGoogle suggested renaming the transport param to max_idle_timeout to make it clearer that each peer is expressing its max.

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@marten-seemann has a fairly silly corner case that breaks this:

  1. the ack of the CFIN is lost; the server sends no 1-RTT packet.
  2. the client acks and sends a PING
  3. the server acks it.
  4. the client sends ACK + PADDING (which is technically legal). This is sufficient for the server to discard state.
  5. The client has not started the 1RTT PTO timer, and we are going to fail the connection.

This is fixable by disallowing ACK+PADDING in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet. At the moment 13.2.1 of quic-transport does not explicitly forbid this. IMO this is an oversight and we should change 13.2.1.

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Discussed in Cupertino. @ekr to take #2573 and review it based on the lunch discussion in Cupertino. @kazuho to open an issue to add additional suggestions. To be closed by Singapore.

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In my opinion, what this corner case shows is that option 4 is pretty brittle. Disallowing ACK +PADDING seems to work to fix this particular corner case, but it doesn't guarantee that there isn't any other corner case that will lead to a deadlock.

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Discussed in Cupertino. Add normative language to prescribe what should be ACKed. Reclassifying as Editorial (adds normative language, but we have consensus on that).

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Discussed in Cupertino. The word "only" is to be removed from the respective sentence. Moving to Editorial.

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quic-transport draft 13.2.1:

An endpoint MUST NOT send a packet containing
only an ACK frame in response to a non-ACK-eliciting packet (one
containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames),

@marten-seemann points out that this allows one to send an ACK+PADDING packet, which seems to violate the spirit of the rule. This loophole breaks #3093. I believe this may be Editorial if we all know what we meant.

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ACK+PADDING packets aren't ack-eliciting, so the server shouldn't discard keys at step 4.

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@ianswett The server already received a PING in 1-RTT packets in step 2.

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@ianswett it has received an ack-eliciting packet in step 2 and a 1-RTT ack in 4. This is also fixable by changing the condition to "ack of an ack-eliciting packet"

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@martinduke The ACK sent in step 4 is an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet.

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This is a spin off from a thread I started on the HTTP WG mailing list.

To avoid duplication, the TL;DR is that there could be cases where a H2 connection that is using some type of extension advertises an H3 alternative that is incapable of supporting the connection (most likely due to a configuration mistake). The example I use is WebSockets, which is predicate on extending CONNECT, but it probably applies to all version-specific extensions.

I don't think there is a non-trivial way to prevent such cases. So I propose that we help the ecosystem spot such cases but introducing an error code (this is quite similar to the 421 status code defined in RFC 7838). This error code can be used when closing a stream or a connection - clients can factor this in to their Alt-Svc selection logic, while servers could analyse error codes to spot misconfigurations etc.

Since this problem is more-or-less introduced by HTTP/3, it feels right to define an error code in this document. A separate I-D can specify a similar code for HTTP/2.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset
+An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of
+the UDP datagram.  An endpoint remembers all Stateless Reset Tokens associated
+with the connection IDs and remote addresses for datagrams it has recently sent.
+This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the
+server's transport parameters but excludes Stateless Reset Tokens associated
+with connection IDs that are either unused or retired.  The endpoint identifies
+a received datagram as a stateless reset by comparing the last 16 bytes of the
+datagram with all Stateless Reset Tokens associated with the remote address on
+which the datagram was received.
+
+This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram.  Endpoints MAY skip
+this check if any packet from a datagram is successfully processed.  However,
+the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram
+either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or carries
+a duplicate packet number.

I don't think I understand the rationale for this duplicate packet number check. If you have a valid packet, it seems like one ought to assume that it's not also a stateless reset or coalesced with one.

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You gotta be kidding. No time for such changes now....

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Discussed in Cupertino. If we decide to do #3087 , we will do this as part of it, otherwise we won't.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 16 14:26:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C0C120823 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1Kwa6AqrsrR for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEC1F1201EF for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C638C03AF for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571261169; bh=gKpUBZGmJvPKFdkD5B09xkto/O9R2OA0+lwie2Rrho0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h8UtHZ7X5Pb3P73EpbEF8RFxDI/e9veo5fyIBpqkxaMrGxGI0I6LXQTMGl+7FrI/L hgNSVW3aSMMf7nm8A96bJaatJsIEZ4/+OWETZoBk3SNdyXvlkTtqVjbcAUrF1k04wa HL2aVsPb9JEMwmB/jP6McKe/CkiJPfrheGu31ilE= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:26:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless reset comparisons (constant time/any order/datagram) (#2993) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da78af0eb8e0_35213fb0108cd96c1381ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:26:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da78af0eb8e0_35213fb0108cd96c1381ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset +An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of +the UDP datagram. An endpoint remembers all Stateless Reset Tokens associated +with the connection IDs and remote addresses for datagrams it has recently sent. +This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the +server's transport parameters but excludes Stateless Reset Tokens associated +with connection IDs that are either unused or retired. The endpoint identifies +a received datagram as a stateless reset by comparing the last 16 bytes of the +datagram with all Stateless Reset Tokens associated with the remote address on +which the datagram was received. + +This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip +this check if any packet from a datagram is successfully processed. However, +the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram +either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or carries +a duplicate packet number. Yeah, I just worked through it and this is negatively good, because it implies that you have an early exit from the packet protection removal code. That wouldn't be constant time in any way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2993#discussion_r335716617 ----==_mimepart_5da78af0eb8e0_35213fb0108cd96c1381ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -If the last 16 bytes of the packet values are identical to a Stateless Reset
+An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16 bytes of
+the UDP datagram.  An endpoint remembers all Stateless Reset Tokens associated
+with the connection IDs and remote addresses for datagrams it has recently sent.
+This includes Stateless Reset Tokens from NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames and the
+server's transport parameters but excludes Stateless Reset Tokens associated
+with connection IDs that are either unused or retired.  The endpoint identifies
+a received datagram as a stateless reset by comparing the last 16 bytes of the
+datagram with all Stateless Reset Tokens associated with the remote address on
+which the datagram was received.
+
+This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram.  Endpoints MAY skip
+this check if any packet from a datagram is successfully processed.  However,
+the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram
+either cannot be associated with a connection, cannot be decrypted, or carries
+a duplicate packet number.

Yeah, I just worked through it and this is negatively good, because it implies that you have an early exit from the packet protection removal code. That wouldn't be constant time in any way.

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Remember the experience with the X-Options in SMTP or HTML? Do we really want to replicate that?

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----==_mimepart_5da78da553a2d_1ce03ff9588cd96c106b7-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 14:43:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DFE1208A1 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gidFsDpDttgL for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3984A120046 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E55B52114D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571262233; bh=h1T8z8gkCAEnvvkfO9hkzRAaZE/aCO4+MGpLt48huXM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=v/uEodhqNc4zl5tPZQ4rgtPwX2psdsjZmDw18kZ9aw6/oZJe1t/Tg8xsZEtu0qGjE p2bnRJqbUJHdaF9FspASgxvm33JjwPIWlscxctk7pz7kdEkaBGHlp0oyK5NYkcxkRV Fdr2RNDh0LCwwlg+2wrophoY6tkqEU4lAnfmB2Cw= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:53 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add provisional registration for all registries (#3102) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da78f191ff54_27253fdaf76cd95c7842d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:43:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da78f191ff54_27253fdaf76cd95c7842d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have nice registration policies for everything, but that doesn't serve for experimentation very well, because those experiments can clobber each other. See also RFC 6648. The proposal here is to allow for permanent registrations (under the same rules we have now), but to allow FCFS provisional registrations so that we avoid collisions when people start experiments that could be widely deployed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3102 ----==_mimepart_5da78f191ff54_27253fdaf76cd95c7842d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We have nice registration policies for everything, but that doesn't serve for experimentation very well, because those experiments can clobber each other. See also RFC 6648.

The proposal here is to allow for permanent registrations (under the same rules we have now), but to allow FCFS provisional registrations so that we avoid collisions when people start experiments that could be widely deployed.

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----==_mimepart_5da78f191ff54_27253fdaf76cd95c7842d-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 14:50:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A6712090C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EONOzxzkmFrE for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD5E120906 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:50:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571262615; bh=tPQq/hIWxWJQCi8a+w3XHzo/e3hLwT46I0hlk09TQmk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qDhVj7Z5u+h9Fk8U3GvpI1asN3Y/AzuWQZibOa0D3VDOIXSQVrPwwPKT+gCi9nBbC 8S5pezDTxqQiSTqCdEVwh/a71Bd/JvgRkqnVuKklG2v1qfSK2SJ/9ZMn7pFqxRPiDN +2s6azPZG/gggMAb/wkTC0RLTndlx2KPXHcUv2VE= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK+PADDING in response to ACK should be illegal (#3100) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da790973bae8_2bcd3f88a1ccd9681016ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:50:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da790973bae8_2bcd3f88a1ccd9681016ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it was intended that ACK should not elicit an ACK+PADDING packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3100#issuecomment-542906236 ----==_mimepart_5da790973bae8_2bcd3f88a1ccd9681016ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, it was intended that ACK should not elicit an ACK+PADDING packet.

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@erickinnear approved this pull request.

The endpoint here has always been going to do whatever it does, regardless of whether we said SHOULD or MUST, so this seems fine. I do like the direction for the other endpoint to wait 3PTO, that would be nice to include.

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I agree with this change, but I disagree that this is a satisfactory fix for #3093.

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Discussed in Cupertino. @DavidSchinazi to rework #3087 to only replace the TLS syntax with something easier to understand. This will be an Editorial change, reclassifying accordingly.

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----==_mimepart_5da792a039903_6c9e3fdb9e4cd95c88690-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 15:03:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC856120052 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o6g6yDWvC8Js for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4210012004A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:03:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571263393; bh=e/Q3h/Z8BCjvPhIPvAr86DzCsWyf4VhydDiBa7Kghgw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=n7sXE85fcpxABp9HfMEnOC4t4yyni4pVRHu4mtremMIJs9Rzu4UdeLp1kcfjJN+6G O76sTZnjfpgYwcM9DNRQ2ROf+BeRkaMzESKQ43LWAn2BfPR7Y1/u8mVDP7OXWM+adm /pkMPnuZuOPQh4+VLfcUK53aKudFuMFylcicqRHU= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Timing side-channel on key updates (#2792) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da793a15c625_3cb73fbc736cd9681185c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:03:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da793a15c625_3cb73fbc736cd9681185c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ekr and @martinthomson to resolve their issue before we'll take it forward -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2792#issuecomment-542910428 ----==_mimepart_5da793a15c625_3cb73fbc736cd9681185c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr and @martinthomson to resolve their issue before we'll take it forward

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Discussed in Cupertino. Contributors to review #2925 ASAP.

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@gorryfair Please take a look, would love your feedback on this!

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Discussed in Cupertino. Will be consensus-called.

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@mikkelfj Happy to make changes, if you can recall some of the details here it would be great to be more explicit about them in the text. Otherwise, I think it does pretty much accurately reflect what we think is possible as an attack surface, so we should fold any concrete suggestions in ASAP.

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Fixes #3100

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  • Prohibit PADDING in response to ACK

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Discussed in Cupertino. Closed with no action!!!

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Closed #3103.

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Presumably this is just another section in Section 13.4? That would be useful.

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Git mistake; better PR coming

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(Specifically, closed with a commitment to being more clear about which draft numbers are intended for implementation. The idea being that editorial-only draft numbers won't be "implemented", avoiding the problem entirely.)

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Reopened #2870.

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Discussed in Cupertino; we believe that we should clarify to option 3 (i.e., mt's #2870).

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Discussed in Cupertino and we'll close it.

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----==_mimepart_5da79a6165ee6_1a253faccf8cd9602665ae-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 15:32:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE83E12004A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5tv7_EBCsKav for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72656120052 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:32:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571265122; bh=7Aruklpy7EfRVEawVSi40bISBEGKcp3+Scy8xTvEyc0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c1DtT9nWAa3UtVV9d/Kzj47bp+K6vMLgdZUbjd097zrlTcpyaNVnZ5+nmHanHwknT RHOApfx7b2k6PczXI3wKoepzmFPY2paUDsZlWXwH8tJfn9wwlsFypi0XkFUFYSzOvF y41SJLsxUG252UIdW+0DP37izyYtU7gE65sEJNOU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Original/Initial Connection ID (#3011) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da79a62612e5_7c4d3f85e38cd9643080b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:32:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da79a62612e5_7c4d3f85e38cd9643080b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #3011. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3011#event-2719329688 ----==_mimepart_5da79a62612e5_7c4d3f85e38cd9643080b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #3011.

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Discussed in Cupertino. Obvious correction.

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Discussed in Cupertino. @kazuho to write up a PR that replaces SHOULD by MUST in this case.

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Note that this is only MUST in the case where the server drops state and uses a canned packet.

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I would suggest saying that impls MUST implement one of the two solutions: MUST NOT use the client's DCID as the SCID, or MUST do an exponential backoff if it does.

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----==_mimepart_5da79cb22586a_2173f8c4c6cd96097835-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 15:44:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF241200CC for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VU3Sb5PZbE0u for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BE8812004A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:44:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571265853; bh=NUjbevwsAzB9E4T+8kYezQkbim/N4G0nS8I7CkiYcK0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zmXoSJRXwj7DlG/rs0RbnSkufS+XXQu6Yoy0zjokWK+5T+uNkvSCeJfGeX1UDgBDD czIoDlE64UEZg4skowgFThTzNeVee6BwRB27TlLN1Ls9GsyHU7yPLyT1aug4Gt+9qS 3GL++/DDOcv7Q2GT3CrcQKarWwaXcVSfTH49nD6w= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prohibit PADDING in response to ACK (#3104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da79d3d4bed9_14cd3fc8c64cd960479ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:44:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da79d3d4bed9_14cd3fc8c64cd960479ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixing #3100 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3104 -- Commit Summary -- * Prohibit PADDING in response to ACK -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (17) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3104.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3104.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3104 ----==_mimepart_5da79d3d4bed9_14cd3fc8c64cd960479ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixing #3100

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  • Prohibit PADDING in response to ACK

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----==_mimepart_5da79d3d4bed9_14cd3fc8c64cd960479ef-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 15:46:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C553D120052 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id axv6DZ0znBaV for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8119812004A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:46:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571265997; bh=7f41MLdZ5Ta5ZssB2UBNF5VQvP99+Gi60O3BXsWiTk4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zmhnNMb6BZZqa/Mgc864E8wJNo3jGkg5e1uRtng0dOYhgHgzaJDmRKm5FztaCv51J A+gsPH7cX3lTWBEI7BN8et93482SnX+aJJE2+RF4zxu1OikwLWG5mCWbedWIa/GhaO wE8cjL8agvw/T/w9FAYz8Oh7bsNSHE7j6fk3fdMY= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Backoff of CONNECTION_CLOSE needs to be a MUST (#3095) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da79dcd7f469_14e13fc8c64cd9604417b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 22:46:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da79dcd7f469_14e13fc8c64cd9604417b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An alternative would be to simply require backoff always. Whether or not a canned packet is used. Not backing off seems like a live wire, and it might be better to neutralize it in general. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3095#issuecomment-542922121 ----==_mimepart_5da79dcd7f469_14e13fc8c64cd9604417b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

An alternative would be to simply require backoff always. Whether or not a canned packet is used. Not backing off seems like a live wire, and it might be better to neutralize it in general.

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----==_mimepart_5da79dcd7f469_14e13fc8c64cd9604417b-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 16:05:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B294B120086 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5Y_J775CFpJ for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D8F212003F for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:05:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571267128; bh=qemjFd53FneKeo8XwWAyOVsxv9Lcc6qIFGARi0bmHBM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GTU86AjRvpv83FvkSDXCpUlNPKRr/wlf8Gvfut11av1etCoftLrL4fJz+o+hSVfpN LJ7pt2A2E0yi4hINN2bSAasSrEtI72Y2eb0NSxXcyZWGWl5wCFcv0iCOnEaD3sGLzm beKogDBCmRQjQNxGfw+BPAtJqs/rDkK7rF2VW6pg= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] congestion window increase on every ACKed packet could result in bursty sends (#3094) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7a2389d49c_4e703fcecbecd96414498d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:05:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7a2389d49c_4e703fcecbecd96414498d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett : The problem here is that we don't talk about burstiness that can occur when pacing is not in place. PRR handles this, but we don't do PRR in the draft. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-542926805 ----==_mimepart_5da7a2389d49c_4e703fcecbecd96414498d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett : The problem here is that we don't talk about burstiness that can occur when pacing is not in place. PRR handles this, but we don't do PRR in the draft.

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I think that a "SHOULD" is enough generally; the problem only exists because you are blindly sending packets without understanding the packet that triggers them.

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No we need to spend lots of time on Reno as everybody appears to be doing Cubic or BBR?

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----==_mimepart_5da7a3545482a_6bb93fa077ecd96490642-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 16:12:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F077120086 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OaU3K8UkWTQw for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDD0612003F for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC036A01FD for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571267516; bh=baiBqrIUNU2VhzIK33cCVkHK4wZz+InpSteyzOAoK/I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pMvxpOvAGEcsrmsEYXAKB7z448PJXT35UoHn71fDhrNe5o5IioCly8ZCB0CJwS8Ui o1aOvXA62Z4EiWaXt1CQKLGGFMyiey7pDgiTgJ1cM0elyLhiU9LPANq3JOj+pNHgsJ 2A1gC35jxP35R5P7GaMoPzD+LY5th7SS2+BpKk60= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:11:56 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] congestion window increase on every ACKed packet could result in bursty sends (#3094) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7a3bccf831_54143fbaae2cd96051151"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:12:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7a3bccf831_54143fbaae2cd96051151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cubic has this problem. BBR cannot be assumed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-542928301 ----==_mimepart_5da7a3bccf831_54143fbaae2cd96051151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Cubic has this problem. BBR cannot be assumed.

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Except Cubic opens the window based on time spent, not just ack received

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I don't get the scenario. It seems that @goelvidhi is worried about receiving an ACK for a large number of packets. This is not a congestion window problem, because it happens even if the congestion windows size remains constant. The root cause is that the ACK of N packets now reduces the number of packet in flow by N. So this is strictly about pacing, not about congestion control.

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@huitema: yes, and it can and still does burst because of stretch acks

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Not just stretch Acks -- deliberate Ack compression by the network happens too. Very few alternative to pacing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -167,8 +168,8 @@ of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
   performance of the QUIC handshake and use shorter timers for
   acknowledgement.
 
-* Packets that contain only ACK frames do not count toward congestion control
-  limits and are not considered in-flight.
+* Packets that contain only ACK or CONNECTION_CLOSE frames do not count toward

@ianswett Thank you for the suggestion. Applied in f7eed75.

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3465 describes

   bytes and MUST NOT use L > 2*SMSS bytes.  This choice balances
   between being conservative (L=1*SMSS bytes) and being potentially
   very aggressive.  In addition, L=2*SMSS bytes exactly balances the
   negative impact of the delayed ACK algorithm (as discussed in more
   detail in section 3.2).  Note that when L=2*SMSS bytes cwnd growth is
   roughly the same as the case when the standard algorithms are used in
   conjunction with a receiver that transmits an ACK for each incoming
   segment [All98] (assuming no or small amounts of ACK loss in both
   cases).```

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Discussed in Cupertino. @goelvidhi to prepare a PR that hopefully can incorporate some ideas from RFC3465 to add safety features for non-pacing stacks.

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But 3565 does not solve the burst problem. It limits the growth of the window, but does not do pacing of any kind.

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----==_mimepart_5da7a9ab10c03_156c3fc84c8cd96844449-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 16:39:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBFB12011B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:39:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VlM9iz-BojN2 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91BE1200F7 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D5A1C0098 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571269181; bh=J/rcRbYmxrzAhBKktIMwsLxNIb/xOoKi1VMKj4WAnpg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DX6E5aPgBIDAQNF1jJFTTBsFwqdl74vC3Nw7a1UKhw6nVxvd3k5VHib6Dj5hXuKt5 zQp+ezKZvB4p4FGoOzkmJaV/Oc+P5evcD8jK0p3JFkckAyvLeugZ6t9/FPLMDCNgQf Kr40ZM+EsnmYV9LM/UMg8J/NfG3IXJ7SofXgNR5g= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:39:41 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost Server Initial Takes Too Long to be Retransmitted (#3078) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7aa3d2722c_63633fae4cacd96c62386"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:39:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7aa3d2722c_63633fae4cacd96c62386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this need to be standardized? Or does it fall in the range of heuristics that applications may do, but don't need to be specified. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3078#issuecomment-542934710 ----==_mimepart_5da7aa3d2722c_63633fae4cacd96c62386 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Does this need to be standardized? Or does it fall in the range of heuristics that applications may do, but don't need to be specified.

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----==_mimepart_5da7aa3d2722c_63633fae4cacd96c62386-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 16:40:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA8312011B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:40:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tlQF2-i5Syqo for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3A2E1201E3 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D1A1C0302 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:40:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571269216; bh=mzE1OmBjBv3N60Hcmx223AA+ETOr7EnSMmGo/zkmHCQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CRyd5uwqOUiOFGJA7XewHkiXJ5ZV1wBQDKuaQIzjwH/Hce+om7oDg9RR+Po8ROEwR CtOici3FrYNXUORXz8+rLhPOBWEfA+Y6MfZwYdF99aiqlpLgY2BOVcQJRBegODiKr8 gL8C4dRAXNU1YXsjEI6U596ZAh8Yn6enwAI255bs= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:40:16 -0700 From: Junho Choi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] congestion window increase on every ACKed packet could result in bursty sends (#3094) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7aa60c902d_5cde3f97ba0cd960596c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: junhochoi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:40:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7aa60c902d_5cde3f97ba0cd960596c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we can change to something like this > // Slow start. > congestion_window += min ( 2 * kMaxDatagramSize, acked_packet.size ) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-542934819 ----==_mimepart_5da7aa60c902d_5cde3f97ba0cd960596c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think we can change to something like this

// Slow start.
congestion_window += min ( 2 * kMaxDatagramSize, acked_packet.size )

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Of course the handshake packet that you receive can be a bunch of random bytes sent by an attacker...

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FWIW, I think that the "or" needs to cover the following four frames: CRYPTO, STREAMS, MAX_STREAMS, STREAMS_BLOCKED.

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----==_mimepart_5da7ac5b90b4d_2e073f9c8a2cd95c19760-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 16:50:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBDE1200F7 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:50:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYSY0VczC6Hz for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 111B0120086 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304CC1C0A05 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:50:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571269846; bh=AhkJHjDedeMMUqelG86w3woIQujSqv7HtOJbOZvTS1U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r4m6X2sBXW94M1AwGXoDpqIiaVG4pvysY4E4YCg0VXCeOo1w+SZLTnhOmgjv3qQLG NDbFGradvR4D4Wz4XSab+4H5nx7L34RE8WREpa1w9/Kjm9czdSeMtu/72kaGc8rueA MFp2t2sTvCqZpa/Nn+cdXE8rDhOV+c2K9Q3UQkSw= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:50:46 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost Server Initial Takes Too Long to be Retransmitted (#3078) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7acd620bcf_5d393f99bb0cd96c530ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:50:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7acd620bcf_5d393f99bb0cd96c530ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The proposed "fix" could lead to a deadlock where the server consumes its entire congestion window without making progress. If the server receives too many Initial packets (bad RTT estimate at the client, say), then it will send lots of data without getting an ACK. As suggested, this is just an optimization, so limiting the number of times this optimization can be used might avoid that problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3078#issuecomment-542937029 ----==_mimepart_5da7acd620bcf_5d393f99bb0cd96c530ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The proposed "fix" could lead to a deadlock where the server consumes its entire congestion window without making progress. If the server receives too many Initial packets (bad RTT estimate at the client, say), then it will send lots of data without getting an ACK. As suggested, this is just an optimization, so limiting the number of times this optimization can be used might avoid that problem.

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Fixes part or all of #3094

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  • MUST pace or limit bursts to 10 packets

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----==_mimepart_5da7b51759b09_6f193fd70d0cd9641375f0-- From nobody Wed Oct 16 17:27:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9618312011B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vjS7AAmsDcKk for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2436C1200F7 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814C66E124B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571272041; bh=UcOH+pugMKJp+YkWv6RXKZaZquJbA8JDCvgIIkQF1Fw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ni2/J31On+kRJitfXczqGQRclfrU584KEUVXU7Uw3+vn36nnDeOhn0/DHFdm9D6Ac zFiLu9ebVH8v6BDuTqVEHyd9zHYtYC4ATkYBdqrWPS9Ip3iQRZgtLm8Ve0NCsoHkDe pHz6In7GP1TYYENgddLBAzh4kwKSVPibgtAB8QYo= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 17:27:21 -0700 From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move server's SETTINGS to transport parameters (#2958) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da7b5697203a_5cdc3f97ba0cd960127420"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:27:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da7b5697203a_5cdc3f97ba0cd960127420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I've addressed the nits and updated QPACK. Security/privacy considerations still need to be updated in HTTP and transport drafts. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2958#issuecomment-542944636 ----==_mimepart_5da7b5697203a_5cdc3f97ba0cd960127420 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I've addressed the nits and updated QPACK.

Security/privacy considerations still need to be updated in HTTP and transport drafts.

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I am thinking that we can remove OnPacketAckedCC and instead do OnAckReceivedCC. Pseudocode change something like this: ``` OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space): Set total_bytes_acked to 0 for acked_packet in newly_acked_packets: total_bytes_acked += acked_packet.size OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number, pn_space) OnAckReceivedCC(total_bytes_acked) OnAckReceivedCC(total_bytes_acked): bytes_in_flight -= total_bytes_acked if (congestion_window < ssthresh): // Slow start. congestion_window += min(total_bytes_acked, 2* kMaxDatagramSize) else congestion_window += kMaxDatagramSize * total_bytes_acked / congestion_window ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-542965003 ----==_mimepart_5da7cd7743ce5_38153f95efccd96c1046c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@junhochoi, I think we need to do 2MSS clamping per ACK received and not per packet acked.

I am thinking that we can remove OnPacketAckedCC and instead do OnAckReceivedCC. Pseudocode change something like this:

    OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space):

    Set total_bytes_acked to 0
    for acked_packet in newly_acked_packets:
        total_bytes_acked += acked_packet.size
        OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number, pn_space)

    OnAckReceivedCC(total_bytes_acked)

OnAckReceivedCC(total_bytes_acked):
    bytes_in_flight -= total_bytes_acked
    if (congestion_window < ssthresh):
         // Slow start.
        congestion_window += min(total_bytes_acked, 2* kMaxDatagramSize)
   else
       congestion_window += kMaxDatagramSize * total_bytes_acked
           / congestion_window

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Some editorial suggestions, including improving the existing text. > @@ -3061,14 +3061,15 @@ of doing so. Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are limits on how frequently they can be sent. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than -one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet (one -containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING). An endpoint MUST NOT send a -packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet -(one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are packet gaps -which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an infinite -feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection from ever -becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ack-eliciting packets when -it sends an ACK frame. +one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet Maybe we should shorten this to "ACK-only packet" or even "ACK packet" and then define it at the beginning of the document? > @@ -3061,14 +3061,15 @@ of doing so. Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are limits on how frequently they can be sent. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than -one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet (one -containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING). An endpoint MUST NOT send a -packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet -(one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are packet gaps -which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an infinite -feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection from ever -becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ack-eliciting packets when -it sends an ACK frame. +one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet +(one containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING). An endpoint MUST NOT +send a packet containing only an ACK frame, or only an ACK and PADDING frame, +in response to a non-ACK-eliciting packet (one containing only ACK and/or I'd remove the "one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames)" now that it's well defined. > @@ -3061,14 +3061,15 @@ of doing so. Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are limits on how frequently they can be sent. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than -one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet (one -containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING). An endpoint MUST NOT send a -packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet -(one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are packet gaps -which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an infinite -feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection from ever -becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ack-eliciting packets when -it sends an ACK frame. +one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet +(one containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING). An endpoint MUST NOT ```suggestion . An endpoint MUST NOT ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3104#pullrequestreview-302968984 ----==_mimepart_5da7cdffeae37_248c3fe4544cd95c26981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

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Some editorial suggestions, including improving the existing text.

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Maybe we should shorten this to "ACK-only packet" or even "ACK packet"= and then define it at the beginning of the document?

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If the Retry token is known to be invalid by the server, then the server can close the connection with INVALID_TOKEN instead of waiting for a timeout.

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You need to update the "Transport Error Codes" section too.

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Thanks @nibanks I did that in a subsequent update. Refresh and tell me if it looks correct.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 16 23:43:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDB712084C for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:43:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HnP7ZJ5OaKCt for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BCA6120824 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E3496045D for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:43:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571294620; bh=44QG2hOHzU0dZd1udbAGK9kHaW/xWnARAQ+4A0GCj+U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WTWtm7/KdgBZGPlzzsONz7YbuAJBn72F8NTOl7MhlEmAspRidw9HQ0ws6eOsAOgUa BknZkNhcB8rq/Ek7J2l+1NO13A1JFm3HUxzYMubZOaCC6Ka0FBAbp52diquZQfTrK4 cOxIPLJUhAv3J/P58bN+DzAXSnc72XGSiEyfxEeE= Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:43:40 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prohibit PADDING in response to ACK (#3104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da80d9c419c5_8c23ff8d08cd968105347"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 06:43:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da80d9c419c5_8c23ff8d08cd968105347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinduke commented on this pull request. > @@ -3061,14 +3061,15 @@ of doing so. Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are limits on how frequently they can be sent. An endpoint MUST NOT send more than -one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet (one -containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING). An endpoint MUST NOT send a -packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet -(one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are packet gaps -which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an infinite -feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection from ever -becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ack-eliciting packets when -it sends an ACK frame. +one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet Actually, non-ack-eliciting is already defined, and would make this flow much better. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinduke commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3061,14 +3061,15 @@ of doing so.
 
 Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are
 limits on how frequently they can be sent.  An endpoint MUST NOT send more than
-one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet (one
-containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING).  An endpoint MUST NOT send a
-packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet
-(one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are packet gaps
-which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an infinite
-feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection from ever
-becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ack-eliciting packets when
-it sends an ACK frame.
+one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet

Actually, non-ack-eliciting is already defined, and would make this flow much better.

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As for a use case, lately I've been working with our RPC over HTTP stack, which generally sets the stream limit in the 100k range. There's more of a case to be made for keeping the QPACK blocking limit lower than the stream limit when you've got a bonkers stream limit.

This is a good example. A decoder may want to allow some number of blocked headers without having to implement a data structure that can scale to 100K entries.

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@ianswett you're missing the section that gives some text to each error code #error-codes.

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

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LGTM. Though all the "non-ACK-eliciting packets" is a bit of a mouth full.

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When we discussed #3020 in Cupertino, it emerged that there was consensus for this editorial change but not for all topics in that issue, so I split this out to its own PR. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3108 -- Commit Summary -- * Make transport parameters varint * Merge branch 'master' into no_tls_pres * Revert non-editorial changes * fix -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (6) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (119) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3108.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3108.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3108 ----==_mimepart_5da894b22b5d7_20c43fa368ccd9681207a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This PR is purely editorial and does not change the protocol in any way.

When we discussed #3020 in Cupertino, it emerged that there was consensus for this editorial change but not for all topics in that issue, so I split this out to its own PR.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3108

Commit Summary

  • Make transport parameters varint
  • Merge branch 'master' into no_tls_pres
  • Revert non-editorial changes
  • fix

File Changes

Patch Links:

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As discussed in Cupertino, this PR proposes changing the IANA policy for transport parameter identifiers.

Closes #3020.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3109

Commit Summary

  • Change transport parameter IANA registration policy

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Closed #3087.

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Closing this as it was replaced by #3108 and #3109.

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As discussed in Cupertino, I have closed #3087 and replaced it with:

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----==_mimepart_5da89ab96d626_8e23f9a2facd95c466c-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 09:47:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5513B120A18 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:46:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oQeoRGzWxZTB for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6E0D120953 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCA766098E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:46:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571330815; bh=0mG48+JaG9B+nkX2zSA00lPk5UAoE8Lnvhh1DA8yvL4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QHHtRSUVMPihYlntLCqGKu4ECvNlEq8L8vqX8tQZhVSPiC/MqoVNvBwtRliabc59t q61MIYwEoxVrK/Ayk/YQDJGD5wpg/pxlTeGwtY9Cc4s+ezkhPHDobJqabG02BrRRg8 NG1WVOLPVJZNPTLGbklD2qJkY8ynIBGaNnqwEq7o= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:46:55 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Boolean blocked streams setting (#3073) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da89affcb3d6_58d73fd57becd96c691ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:46:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da89affcb3d6_58d73fd57becd96c691ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You only need the datastructure to scale to the max number of open streams, which is commonly closer to 100, not 100k. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3073#issuecomment-543263157 ----==_mimepart_5da89affcb3d6_58d73fd57becd96c691ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

You only need the datastructure to scale to the max number of open streams, which is commonly closer to 100, not 100k.

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I think we can keep OnPacketAckedCC() but just move cwnd update to OnAckReceivedCC() as you propose.

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The HTTP draft currently specifies

If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.

Is it intentional that a client MUST remember SETTINGS values that it doesn't support (to check that the server didn't omit a setting)?

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Well, it's 100K in Alan's case. That's the "good example."

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The comment about checking for omitted settings says ... "omits a value that was previously specified to have a non-default value". In order for a client to know what the default value is for that setting, surely the client must support that setting, right?

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----==_mimepart_5da89cb4d0797_63b63fd7e50cd9687597e-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 09:54:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC32120B10 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LgNjuCXQjvTz for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68CF8120B0D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:54:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571331254; bh=gwQMh+tT/a/RMAVbs9XiOPaVoL9UaqhIV8mQN4n9THg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HEjeYZ7+VGnYrz2PwGs+wUQxrcTxvV5JANB63x+eo1z5SOtcJQScBYTjjSH0EQxbT /GgasxvVyPkhTsQdGF3ybmT20C0rB9AhNq+u/7zvJbEBjTBL3P/DuOJz0Uau+Kz5Pp dEC/yzdydKtcNSKeqkAhzthbDNMNF0835XCbiEd8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC Version Ossification (#2496) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da89cb681b35_41523fe00a0cd968103588"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:54:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da89cb681b35_41523fe00a0cd968103588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Cupertino, we agreed that we'd grease the version number field (while the alternative being eliminate) and also change the salt of the Initial encryption key. That still leaves some of the non-invariant, cleartext fields that might ossify: the long header packet type bits, token length, and packet length. Should we scramble them too? For example, the parameters used for ossification could include a XOR bitmask that would be applied to these fields. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2496#issuecomment-543266197 ----==_mimepart_5da89cb681b35_41523fe00a0cd968103588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In Cupertino, we agreed that we'd grease the version number field (while the alternative being eliminate) and also change the salt of the Initial encryption key.

That still leaves some of the non-invariant, cleartext fields that might ossify: the long header packet type bits, token length, and packet length.

Should we scramble them too? For example, the parameters used for ossification could include a XOR bitmask that would be applied to these fields.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -836,9 +836,11 @@ in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
 ## Under-utilizing the Congestion Window
 
-A congestion window that is under-utilized SHOULD NOT be increased in either
-slow start or congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient
-application data or flow control credit.
+When bytes in flight is smaller than the congestion window and sending is not
+pacing limited, the congestion window is under-utilized.  When this occurs,

I think BBR is considered here for pacing limited case? But there is no description what is pacing limited.

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By "Grease the version number field", I think we agreed that out-of-band, the server can communicate an alternative version number and alternative salt which can be used for future connections. Does that sound right to you?

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You're right that for the client to know whether or not it's the default value it needs to support the setting (or at least know about it).

Suppose the server sends SETTING BLORP (which the client knows nothing about) with value X in the original SETTINGS, but omits it on the 0-RTT resumed connection. As currently specified, if value X is not the default value, the client MUST close the connection, but if it is the default value, then that's fine. (Meaning the client needs to know all possible default values for all possible settings.)

I think this needs an editorial fix to apply something like "a setting the client understands" to the bit about omitting a value as well.

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Oh, I see your reading now. Interesting! Good point about an editorial tweak.

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----==_mimepart_5da8a04c1204_68c93fc5e7acd9642824c9-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 10:12:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3143F120B39 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:12:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S-HIAXy1b6GK for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A59F120B2C for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989086E14D9 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:12:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571332350; bh=q6oAIcvWXUzPifHX0aWW1uKLz1kZdxi5J3plHSxBKeo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z6UOSaWxlVbENNfXbYnWBf9RUOyeYOwsm5fXibM+GaDmOaPVqD+YO20WyWrOPK9Hb QgSI7x3RHbF1JGcWEePcVU4kcuB50OxmsRphfGF4EnjWP6nzW8aAQyUmUPXsCpTYxg ddDd57tj1Th1MZRjHOcyg0jCeNRoJmHmH0NJlzXg= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:12:30 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does a client need to remember SETTINGS it doesn't understand when doing 0-RTT resumption? (#3110) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8a0fe8a436_61c43fd487acd9601789f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:12:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8a0fe8a436_61c43fd487acd9601789f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this could affect reserved settings (aka grease) too, just in a slightly different way. Some editorial tweak to address the problem would be good. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3110#issuecomment-543273349 ----==_mimepart_5da8a0fe8a436_61c43fd487acd9601789f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think this could affect reserved settings (aka grease) too, just in a slightly different way. Some editorial tweak to address the problem would be good.

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@ianswett : I realized after we did this PR yesterday that this does not fix #3094. I It reduces burstiness in general, which is still a good thing, but it doesn't change slow start increase. I'll send a PR or ask Vidhi if she wants to.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,

Maybe s/unverifiable/invalid/?

To me it seems that "unverifiable" might have the implication of the decryption process (or the integrity check) of the token failing. But a rejection of Retry token happens in other cases too, e.g., when the Retry token is outdated.

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[Version Ossification] Alternative version and Initial Salt should be part of NEW_TOKEN

At the moment, PR #2753 suggests using a Transport Parameter. That approach has two concerns:

  • We are creating another set of resumption information that needs to be retained by the client (we already have NEW_TOKEN token, TLS session ticket, and optionally H3 SETTINGS).
  • We cannot have enough space for Initial Salts so that Initial packets would be encrypted (in the cryptographic sense).

I hereby propose (as a separate issue as suggested by #2496 (comment)) to embed the alternative version and the Initial Salt in the NEW_TOKEN frame.

Doing so solves the above two issues:

  • The complexity is reduced, as the client can retain the alternative version and Initial Salt along with the NEW_TOKEN token.
  • Initials can be encrypted and authenticated in a cryptographically secure way. The Initial Salt to be used can be different for each connection that uses the NEW_TOKEN token. Servers can securely store the salt being used in the token, recover that from the token, then decrypt the Initial packet.

As a side-note, ESNI for QUIC can become a way to generate the alternative version and Initial Salt for non-resuming connections. To paraphrase, this approach would give us the possibility to hide QUIC+ESNI traffic within QUIC+non-ESNI traffic that are resuming. This meets the requirements of ESNI (over TLS over TCP) that the handshake using ESNI should be indistinguishable from those do not.

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Just doing some cleanup on the TLS overview section. All changes are editorial.

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Fixes #3110.

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----==_mimepart_5da8a8ca17626_27b53fd068ecd95c2360f5-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 10:47:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF04012093F for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RRgmKGFTtE9Q for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC8CF12013F for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28F72C3360 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:47:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571334472; bh=kvj0NvfbSboht4d7UBw5n+9XopN9T62lBfRiScN33mE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2UfLVdU960Pi9kCRZPk4uj+pvhyziWICHh/ZQ6nD4SNVdZHggHS+g9XnGV0dEu7L0 8ZLwvqYISLC9YW9mVRId59xcVWBntWm6SyxO2QM7TxEC3oJOUEk3aFsOjM7LCwkYPV CBmNQUGRXHA24ah8swYTDiJcYhiMA/ZAmSiaWpy0= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:47:52 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC Version Ossification (#2496) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8a948d3220_1d873f9fb34cd960123776"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:47:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8a948d3220_1d873f9fb34cd960123776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle I think that's correct, with the reservation that the medium for sending the information (e.g., alternative salt) being in debate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2496#issuecomment-543287118 ----==_mimepart_5da8a948d3220_1d873f9fb34cd960123776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@RyanAtGoogle I think that's correct, with the reservation that the medium for sending the information (e.g., alternative salt) being in debate.

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I think there's probably still room for some text in the HTTP/2 differences noting that the accounting is different, but that's a purely editorial change.

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Fixes #2787.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 17 11:05:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7A6120B80 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ZWXmzjwYnpH for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84143120B76 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90267C60469 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:05:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571335522; bh=+WUaNFd5umMhdCDGqkhT1p8fybVUFVviIzyl6VTNTtE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=t/AcMKCW741vzI8dkIgw8RaWH7L0KhtvyBWIW8I7sqDFBnAa4K9J47lBWY8U9ARoC l6qJqYQ0+9Po7gQCGOGOX1l/zD1+VqI7pvMlt+ZdGAJcqDuJJlSs4TbVoKcgtY0Emj MQeXSDu3oC5PMS7vKNhe0XrWZpvqz8cxWi7hWyHE= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:05:22 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify that clients don't need to remember unknown SETTINGS (#3113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8ad6280dd2_645e3ff8fdecd96c14464b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:05:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8ad6280dd2_645e3ff8fdecd96c14464b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. > @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data. The server MUST include all settings which differ from -their default values. If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS -frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was -previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a -connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR. +their default values. If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS Reserved settings do not have a default value, so I don't know if we need to call that out here specifically. If we do it affects the readability a little bit; perhaps we can rely on the readers implicit understanding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its
 SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST
 NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client
 with its 0-RTT data.  The server MUST include all settings which differ from
-their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS
-frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was
-previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.
+their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS

Reserved settings do not have a default value, so I don't know if we need to call that out here specifically. If we do it affects the readability a little bit; perhaps we can rely on the readers implicit understanding.

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An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. -It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. As -an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is -sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and -then the original transmission is acknowledged. In the absence of any new -application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new -or previously-sent data to send. - -When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other -ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer. +When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent unacknowledged +data, it MUST be sent. Data at Initial encryption MUST be sent before ```suggestion data, it MUST be sent. Data that was previously sent with Initial encryption MUST be sent before ``` > @@ -526,15 +524,17 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. -It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. As -an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is -sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and -then the original transmission is acknowledged. In the absence of any new -application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new -or previously-sent data to send. - -When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other -ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer. +When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent unacknowledged +data, it MUST be sent. Data at Initial encryption MUST be sent before +Handshake data and data at Handshake encryption MUST be sent before any ```suggestion Handshake data and, similarly, data previously sent at Handshake encryption MUST be sent before any ``` > @@ -495,11 +495,9 @@ a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but the delay SHOULD NOT be considered an RTT sample. Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of -data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and -data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData -data. If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until -data has been received from the client. +data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received, +as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no data can be sent, You want to allow PINGs. "... and no other ack-eliciting packet is sent". > -When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other -ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer. +It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. +As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data +is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, +and then the original transmission is acknowledged. When there is no data to +send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single +packet, re-arming the PTO timer. So the problem this was intended to address was exactly that accounting discrepancy. There are two ways to handle outstanding packets if we want to give up on them: call them lost and reduce the window (see text below, maybe that should be part of this paragraph), or send a PING to elicit an ACK from the receiver. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -526,15 +524,17 @@ as a probe, unless t=
here is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up=0D
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid a=
n=0D
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.=0D
 =0D
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to sen=
d.  As=0D
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application d=
ata is=0D
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,=
 and=0D
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any n=
ew=0D
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with =
no new=0D
-or previously-sent data to send.=0D
-=0D
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other=0D=

-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.=0D
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent unacknow=
ledged=0D
+data, it MUST be sent.  Data at Initial encryption MUST be sent before=0D=
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-data, it MUST be sent.  Data at Initial encry=
ption MUST be sent before=0D
+data, it MUST be sent.  Data that was previously sent with Initial encry=
ption MUST be sent before=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -526,15 +524,17 @@ as a probe, unless t=
here is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up=0D
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid a=
n=0D
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.=0D
 =0D
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to sen=
d.  As=0D
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application d=
ata is=0D
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,=
 and=0D
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any n=
ew=0D
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with =
no new=0D
-or previously-sent data to send.=0D
-=0D
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other=0D=

-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.=0D
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent unacknow=
ledged=0D
+data, it MUST be sent.  Data at Initial encryption MUST be sent before=0D=

+Handshake data and data at Handshake encryption MUST be sent before any=0D=
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Handshake data and data at Handshake encrypti=
on MUST be sent before any=0D
+Handshake data and, similarly, data previously sent at Handshake encrypt=
ion MUST be sent before any=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
> @@ -495,11 +495,9 @@ a PATH_RESPONSE to se=
ed initial_rtt for a new path, but the delay SHOULD NOT=0D
 be considered an RTT sample.=0D
 =0D
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the=
 amount of=0D
-data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANS=
PORT}}.=0D
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data a=
nd=0D
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any Applicatio=
nData=0D
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed unti=
l=0D
-data has been received from the client.=0D
+data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,=0D=

+as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no data can be sen=
t,=0D
=0D

You want to allow PINGs. "... and no other ack-eliciting packet is sen= t".

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other=0D=

-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.=0D
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.=0D=

+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new applicatio=
n data=0D
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new pack=
et,=0D
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no da=
ta to=0D
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a si=
ngle=0D
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.=0D
=0D

So the problem this was intended to address was exactly that accountin= g discrepancy. There are two ways to handle outstanding packets if we wan= t to give up on them: call them lost and reduce the window (see text belo= w, maybe that should be part of this paragraph), or send a PING to elicit= an ACK from the receiver. The text used to recommend the calling them lo= st IIRC, but I don't see a clear winner here.

=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its
 SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST
 NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client
 with its 0-RTT data.  The server MUST include all settings which differ from
-their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS
-frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was
-previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.
+their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS

I think that's implied - if a reserved setting was specified, then it was specified to have a non-default value (since there is no default value).

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its
 SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST
 NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client
 with its 0-RTT data.  The server MUST include all settings which differ from
-their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS
-frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was
-previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.
+their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS

WFM

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----==_mimepart_5da8afa718bd6_6c7a3fc2bc8cd96c47921-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 11:24:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FE2120BAF for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Qcif4yna8m2 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43A26120BCC for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:24:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571336663; bh=qPdEL3vqzPajLEZxmRwKPpZ9N6CQV1Yq/tVQa1DnXT8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ShjuLl5tk+1WKxxpeweuf6n8JVg3etiUb4rZA4vgXDf2+7qQVNDFyHeCkPAgD+emo SwYPzG23WZKjLiVQ6SG8PPf/Sc0roJCp7PuBMAeVXypnbOni4URCydu+aZIdjspXiE DFxGZPDVQb43Y1p4Y0xBE3Y0QSYsxbxXXp2CQxZ4= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Talk about concurrency in H3 vs. H2 (#3114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8b1d78003a_64fc3fbc1cecd96c54412"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:24:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8b1d78003a_64fc3fbc1cecd96c54412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. > +QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3. QUIC considers a stream +closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been +acknowledged by the peer. HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame +containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result, +the stream for an equivalent exchange will remain "active" for at least one +additional round trip. Implementations of HTTP/3 might choose to permit a +larger number of concurrent streams than in HTTP/2 to achieve equivalent +concurrency, depending on the expected usage patterns. This looks good but if you're gonna pop the bonnet to fix something, I think we probably want to talk about the concurrency of request and push streams separately. The text here is more focused on describing the behaviour of request streams. So I would be more specific and say that a HTTP/3 server might choose to permit a larger number of concurrent client-initiated bidirectional streams. Then I would discuss considerations for push concurrency, highlighting the additional controls in the shape of push ID but identifying that push stream concurrency is competing against other unidirectional stream type (core or extensions) for the server-initiated unidirectional stream space. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3114#pullrequestreview-303456374 ----==_mimepart_5da8b1d78003a_64fc3fbc1cecd96c54412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3.  QUIC considers a stream
+closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been
+acknowledged by the peer.  HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame
+containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result,
+the stream for an equivalent exchange will remain "active" for at least one
+additional round trip.  Implementations of HTTP/3 might choose to permit a
+larger number of concurrent streams than in HTTP/2 to achieve equivalent
+concurrency, depending on the expected usage patterns.

This looks good but if you're gonna pop the bonnet to fix something, I think we probably want to talk about the concurrency of request and push streams separately.

The text here is more focused on describing the behaviour of request streams. So I would be more specific and say that a HTTP/3 server might choose to permit a larger number of concurrent client-initiated bidirectional streams.

Then I would discuss considerations for push concurrency, highlighting the additional controls in the shape of push ID but identifying that push stream concurrency is competing against other unidirectional stream type (core or extensions) for the server-initiated unidirectional stream space.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3013,18 +3013,21 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
 This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
+Every ack-eliciting packet MUST be acknowledged in at least one transmitted
+ACK frame, and SHOULD typically be acknowledged in more than one ACK frame.

I would rephrase this. "A receiver is expected to commonly acknowledge a received packet in multiple subsequent ACK frames, to increase the chances of the acknowledgement being received by the sender. A receiver MUST acknowledge every received ack-eliciting packet at least once."

Also, move this to the top of the section.

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Yup, that's an important missing fix, though it needs to be applied only when not pacing. Additionally, #3106 helps with burstiness in general. @goelvidhi : I would make a pacing variable, and apply the min here when not pacing.

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That's basically what HTTP_1_1_REQUIRED / HTTP_VERSION_FALLBACK were for. We originally used HTTP status 505 with a header describing what versions could have handled the request. However, during HTTP/2 development we concluded that a stream error was more appropriate than a status code, because you might discover the blocker during response generation.

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----==_mimepart_5da8b49bc3881_78fe3ff0872cd960938c8-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 11:36:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C325120BA1 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dLwWzzJC3Bmt for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04518120B9E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F80C120FC7 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:36:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571337375; bh=OP6r0R6GvxgP8xyidFBClMzkwkX9l63LZM9zeqhB/88=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tRj0B7TiwdsRZeNIAQcJj3ikyITKH7UhvHD4nb/zSFCXzVmks9GnVJb/URdpT0+Pr X8FHYYac4jFo68uaowe5bbUZlYoRY6ho3O6fhviIxqzUiLXEEcbG6ZUbgrP+KIUBv5 D5AMtJML55pA3HDby6LxZrgxXSM0qaf5oJKR3E54= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:36:15 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Talk about concurrency in H3 vs. H2 (#3114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8b49f399ae_63a23fbf4d8cd95c2193c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:36:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8b49f399ae_63a23fbf4d8cd95c2193c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window. +QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3. QUIC considers a stream I feel this "on behalf of HTTP/3" a bit confusing, because my mental model is that it is generally a responsibility of the transport to manage streams, and that HTTP/2 was the exception. Maybe something like "In contrast to HTTP/2, stream concurrency in HTTP/3 is managed by QUIC." > @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window. +QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3. QUIC considers a stream +closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been +acknowledged by the peer. HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame I think this sentence is incorrect. I think it should be: "QUIC considers a stream closed when all data have been received and all the sent data have been acknowledged." > @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window. +QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3. QUIC considers a stream +closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been +acknowledged by the peer. HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame +containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result, +the stream for an equivalent exchange will remain "active" for at least one +additional round trip. Implementations of HTTP/3 might choose to permit a How about "will typically remain "active" for one additional roundtrip"? The lifetime of a stream would be indifferent from HTTP/2 in the pathological case where the request-side of the stream is closed after the response-side is being closed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3114#pullrequestreview-303461344 ----==_mimepart_5da8b49f399ae_63a23fbf4d8cd95c2193c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the
 space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC
 are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window.
 
+QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3.  QUIC considers a stream

I feel this "on behalf of HTTP/3" a bit confusing, because my mental model is that it is generally a responsibility of the transport to manage streams, and that HTTP/2 was the exception.

Maybe something like "In contrast to HTTP/2, stream concurrency in HTTP/3 is managed by QUIC."

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the
 space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC
 are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window.
 
+QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3.  QUIC considers a stream
+closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been
+acknowledged by the peer.  HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame

I think this sentence is incorrect.

I think it should be: "QUIC considers a stream closed when all data have been received and all the sent data have been acknowledged."

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the
 space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC
 are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window.
 
+QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3.  QUIC considers a stream
+closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been
+acknowledged by the peer.  HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame
+containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result,
+the stream for an equivalent exchange will remain "active" for at least one
+additional round trip.  Implementations of HTTP/3 might choose to permit a

How about "will typically remain "active" for one additional roundtrip"?

The lifetime of a stream would be indifferent from HTTP/2 in the pathological case where the request-side of the stream is closed after the response-side is being closed.

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Many of the QUIC drafts use fixed 32bit maps to "illustrate" the layout of various parts of a message. In some cases, that is useful up to the point where the frame bits end. In other cases, the illustration consists of a list of arbitrary varint values, for which the 32bit illustration is both horribly misleading and a waste of space (and reader's time). Please stop.

I prefer C-style data structures for descriptive ordering, but YMMV. The simplest alternative is to just list the variable names (and types) in order. The only place where I would like to see a bitmap presentation would be an actual example, which shows the variable ints in the actual positions that the example values would cause them to be placed.

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Closed #3101.

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Discussed f2f at Cupertino interim. The feeling was that a new error code could be useful but that we don't need to define it in the HTTP/3 core doc. Since I was going to make a separate document for the HTTP/2 version of this code, I'll simply define the code there. Closing this issue.

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Discussed in Cupertino: Clients can send GOAWAY. Add transition considerations to talk about relaying GOAWAY from an H2 to H3 connection / vice versa. We would like the client-sent GOAWAY to carry a Push ID. There is still disagreement over what the precise semantics of that are. @afrind to write a PR to provoke argument.

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Would alternate version still be optional?

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The proposed change has the effect of reducing the effective Window if ACKs are compressed. Say you have a window of 12 packets, acks are delayed, and a single ACK acknowledges 12 packets. Now you have a window of 12 packets, your transmission rate is 6 times slower than before, and it will take you 10 RTT to recover. Is that really what you want?

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----==_mimepart_5da8d6979745c_8a93fc5856cd95c1416d8-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 14:20:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE801120930 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HlIk_O9YlB9 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA1E312094A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:20:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571347203; bh=nRXnheZ60EdaVrD+ge8EDjJGgSYhoNuUgpGwIey3CeI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wS77DIsu8PhfVH2kiSF6uEfB3CEws5aYhF8U0jmh3xvUMOgD2LsbZJQOEUC735qlA xvRMDP9/w4iH4J/1NvwmdRu2blB+fcDGZrNT7LifbPInfrKa1xHpnzhb/E68PefZxi nfU8bZeRR53oZT/+pjKJFZKIG5Omyu0tTvfbHcVA= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] [Version Ossification] Alternative version and Initial Salt should be part of NEW_TOKEN (#3111) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8db0322fdc_a953fb4222cd95c1096da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:20:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8db0322fdc_a953fb4222cd95c1096da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke You certainly could make those fields optional in the NEW_TOKEN frame. On the other hand, you could also make it required, and even forbid servers from sending NEW_TOKEN frames with the same version number as they're currently using, effectively forcing them to implement greasing. Note that a server could still decide not to implement greasing, but would then be prevented from using NEW_TOKEN (which itself can be considered an optional feature of the QUIC protocol). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3111#issuecomment-543366531 ----==_mimepart_5da8db0322fdc_a953fb4222cd95c1096da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke You certainly could make those fields optional in the NEW_TOKEN frame.

On the other hand, you could also make it required, and even forbid servers from sending NEW_TOKEN frames with the same version number as they're currently using, effectively forcing them to implement greasing.
Note that a server could still decide not to implement greasing, but would then be prevented from using NEW_TOKEN (which itself can be considered an optional feature of the QUIC protocol).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -836,9 +836,11 @@ in Linux (3.11 onwards).
 
 ## Under-utilizing the Congestion Window
 
-A congestion window that is under-utilized SHOULD NOT be increased in either
-slow start or congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient
-application data or flow control credit.
+When bytes in flight is smaller than the congestion window and sending is not
+pacing limited, the congestion window is under-utilized.  When this occurs,

@junhochoi : The point here is that if you're unable to utilize the full cwnd because you are limited by a pacer, then it doesn't count as app limited.

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@huitema: This is what ABC (RFC 3465) does for TCP. ACK compression has side-effects, and the way to deal with it is, as you say, to pace packets out. This reduction in performance is only when the endpoint does not pace, and it is the only way to limit bursts in that case.

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Discussed in Cupertino. We will not make this change in QUIC v1. We will make a feature request to TLS for encrypted client-to-server extensions. A mapping over a QUIC version that requires this TLS feature will use it for SETTINGS.

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Closed #3086.

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Would alternate version still be optional?

I do not think there is a reason to make it optional. It can be mandatory, while the server deployments wanting to use a specific version, initial salt can specify those in every NEW_TOKEN frames that they send.

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Discussed in Cupertino; we want this guidance, but non-normative. @LPardue to author PR.

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Either s/HTTP_/H3_/g or s/HTTP_//g. Because these aren't really HTTP errors, they are HTTP/3 errors.

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Discussed in Cupertino; not pursuing this change at this time.

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----==_mimepart_5da8e17b72850_296f3fb3f38cd96c68819-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 14:48:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A310B120863 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUDIKT0044pp for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D722412083B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F93C60B21 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571348935; bh=9KT30V3XdhxkoUbXgfvQtq4aeYEssMMQe+zMCvinbQg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MVGnIeumcLXv4W+Cqvn7PwhW31UXnGEZRJXmfIuvioXbl6zA3SXRoGecGcxKliO2q U3qO3rSGXpW4ia6AEain3aI0TCxZ7dkjX4bGYXcnjhhgJHre2/tINQdlNdehRdHkAd NzZQFNM+HbqJMxcfUQvNjj6vYcDUdCbWpOF/tZyo= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:48:55 -0700 From: "Roy T. Fielding" Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider HTTP_ prefix on h3 error codes (#3116) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8e1c7233d3_1a5a3fdfbf4cd964123255"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: royfielding X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:48:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8e1c7233d3_1a5a3fdfbf4cd964123255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Er, reconsider the existing HTTP_ prefix on h3 error code names so that they are not confused with HTTP status codes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3116#issuecomment-543375896 ----==_mimepart_5da8e1c7233d3_1a5a3fdfbf4cd964123255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Er, reconsider the existing HTTP_ prefix on h3 error code names so that they are not confused with HTTP status codes.

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Discussed in Cupertino; http-core will or should say that clients have to send the full request. Point to core or clarify.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Let's get this in -- it addresses some burstiness anyway.

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The name clash is not a massive problem but I think it using a `H3` prefix is more preferable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3116#issuecomment-543382233 ----==_mimepart_5da8e6771fbdf_40603fdd6c4cd96410478e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

s/HTTP_//g will cause a name clash between for the Transport error code NO_ERROR (0x0) and the HTTP/3 error code HTTP_NO_ERROR (0x100). The name clash is not a massive problem but I think it using a H3 prefix is more preferable.

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We've removed the text saying that application protocols can constrain which QUIC versions they can run over. We need to discuss where the correlation between ALPN tokens and version numbers gets considered. Some proposals discussed in Cupertino:

  • ALPN tokens imply one specific QUIC version. This leads to a possible error case, where an ALPN token is offered/accepted over another QUIC version.
  • Application protocols can restrict which QUIC versions they run over. This implies that the QUIC version being spoken must be considered when selecting an ALPN token.

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As discussed in Cupertino, we're punting the hard part of this issue to
future versions, but we can remove the version hint until then.

Closes #3061.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3118

Commit Summary

  • Remove QUIC version hint

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Fixes #3116

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Commit Summary

  • rename HTTP_ error code prefix to H3

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----==_mimepart_5da8ebf13731c_73c43f98ec8cd95c698b5-- From nobody Thu Oct 17 15:53:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C598112080C for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:53:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VVDWne6Rb_Vw for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FF89120805 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DDB12122D for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:52:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571352779; bh=NRTSCWJasea26rE/X/11lNwZqpJwAMyv3HQTOq+Mg40=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UwPtcrPWgWhL123SJkh3dM949F3BOqAuZ//3aCewEzTqKS7Ee6rvxpxVrmtxPpmIF PbRmwQXUk2NuCDyCcYK9MDHI3kUp3Meq9fNbyqFwr6g3VymUWOec7Tw7iUnDWO01w4 WfsnE8q169Ay37wYhDFEV6DYnq0ZHVlLRv+Fnztg= Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:52:59 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] congestion window increase on every ACKed packet could result in bursty sends (#3094) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8f0cb3d9d0_535f3fc3158cd9688695a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:53:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8f0cb3d9d0_535f3fc3158cd9688695a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, ACK compression does not necessarily imply ACK pruning. I have traces in which 1 RTT worth of ACKs is compressed and delivered back to back. In that case, the proposed algorithm will do nothing: you will get 2 MSS added for each ACK, back to back within less than 1 ms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-543395415 ----==_mimepart_5da8f0cb3d9d0_535f3fc3158cd9688695a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Also, ACK compression does not necessarily imply ACK pruning. I have traces in which 1 RTT worth of ACKs is compressed and delivered back to back. In that case, the proposed algorithm will do nothing: you will get 2 MSS added for each ACK, back to back within less than 1 ms.

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As discussed in Cupertino, this PR adds an integrity tag to retry packets to prevent on-network packet corruption from breaking QUIC handshakes.

Closes #3014.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120

Commit Summary

  • Add retry integrity tag

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI. FreeBSD implements rfc3465 (and enabled by default) https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/sys/netinet/cc/cc_newreno.c#L174 Linux removed tcp_abc implementation but saying it does in a different way: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/net/ipv4/tcp_cong.c#L385 Considring FreeBSD doesn't have pacing by default, I think current proposed algorithm is not worse (or aggressive) than what tcp implementation does. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-543404524 ----==_mimepart_5da8f75e5b75b_64e63f8a0dccd9641953c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FYI. FreeBSD implements rfc3465 (and enabled by default) https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/blob/master/sys/netinet/cc/cc_newreno.c#L174
Linux removed tcp_abc implementation but saying it does in a different way: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/net/ipv4/tcp_cong.c#L385
Considring FreeBSD doesn't have pacing by default, I think current proposed algorithm is not worse (or aggressive) than what tcp implementation does.

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We would like to have a concrete discard point, but we couldn't agree on one that was provably safe. If we can come up with a mechanism for discarding earlier, or a signal that comes earlier than the end of the connection, we will first carefully look at it, but we might accept further changes. Closes #2863. From nobody Thu Oct 17 16:29:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4071312080C for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:29:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zF36gAEWj_Pe for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B267A120805 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:29:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571354947; bh=fimyr6nHQz8WhoBR8QT1qRymntp0YRWwi7FoOdjahDw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=akQ0gY6Y8Q62+Rfwk/tNSy+tUtfbr0VAif07VaS3hwpRvkC4/jTqTqq4cSxJKJ1ua 0VfCPrdhNfQB2MLluknI8kv2pJVAe6nv84yKrKG1ofbRxbUU0+AhgwpxzaIxNxgIEj bxGpWTBGa5f2qA+sJjAAVHIZ6RGOd3LPuHqqiLZw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forbid Handshake key discarding (#3121) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da8f943d6dd8_77103fba6facd960287243"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 23:29:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da8f943d6dd8_77103fba6facd960287243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After many iterations of solutions to this problem, we have decided to first forbid discard. We would like to have a concrete discard point, but we couldn't agree on one that was provably safe. If we can come up with a mechanism for discarding earlier, or a signal that comes earlier than the end of the connection, we will first carefully look at it, but we might accept further changes. Closes #2863. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3121 -- Commit Summary -- * Forbid Handshake key discarding -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3121.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3121.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3121 ----==_mimepart_5da8f943d6dd8_77103fba6facd960287243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

After many iterations of solutions to this problem, we have decided to
first forbid discard. We would like to have a concrete discard point,
but we couldn't agree on one that was provably safe.

If we can come up with a mechanism for discarding earlier, or a signal
that comes earlier than the end of the connection, we will first
carefully look at it, but we might accept further changes.

Closes #2863.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3121

Commit Summary

  • Forbid Handshake key discarding

File Changes

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If you remove the ODCID Len from the pseudo-packet, this might allow you to simplify the description such that you don't need to define a pseudo-packet in the first place.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

Why do we need the length here?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4196,10 +4189,7 @@ processing a Retry packet; {{packet-0rtt}} contains more information on this.
 
 A server acknowledges the use of a Retry packet for a connection using the
 original_connection_id transport parameter (see
-{{transport-parameter-definitions}}).  If the server sends a Retry packet, it
-MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
-Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
-first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
+{{transport-parameter-definitions}}).

This could be more concrete, e.g. by setting the original_connection_id transport parameter to the Destination Connection ID from the client's first Initial packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum

to minimum -> to the minimum

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The current text in recovery says:

As an example of a well-known and publicly available implementation of a flow pacer, implementers are referred to the Fair Queue packet scheduler (fq qdisc) in Linux (3.11 onwards).

Could we change this recommendation to something like "a Fair Queue packet scheduler using an algorithm such as "Weighted Round Robin" or "Deficit Round Robin"? The specific Linux reference is not very helpful in online searches.

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It would be helpful with a bit of context on the deadlock problem in the document. Sitting on handshake keys without making use of them will not fix the problem.

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More specifically: since we have multiple packet number spaces, it is highly practical to replace the early handshake handler with a handler that only deals with post handshake packets. But such a handler will not work if it must still deal with handshake packets. That is a big architectural problem.

Me complaining won't make the deadlock go away, obviously, but the current situation is not very agreeable.

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Has anyone thought about revisiting implicit ACK's in handshake? It appears to me that many problems occur because of waiting for an ACK that doesn't happen?

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I realize this is merged by now, but I still have a few comments. > +## Required Operations on Streams + +There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when +interacting with QUIC streams. This document does not specify an API, but +any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform +the operations described in this section on a QUIC stream. + +On the sending part of a stream, application protocols need to be able to: + +- write data, understanding when stream flow control credit + ({{data-flow-control}}) has successfully been reserved to send the written + data +- end the stream (clean termination), resulting in a STREAM frame + ({{frame-stream}}) with the FIN bit set; and +- reset the stream (abrupt termination), resulting in a RESET_STREAM frame + ({{frame-reset-stream}}), even if the stream was already ended. This is unclear - what does it mean that "the stream was already ended"? I would say it is fair for an API to issue a soft error if you try to RESET (abrupt termination) after having issued a FIN request (clean termination), or vice version. Certainly I would not want a QUIC implementation tracking a stream handle indefinitely in case some app decides to reset it eventually. > @@ -1101,6 +1132,41 @@ suggested structure: --> +## Required Operations on Connections + +There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when +interacting with the QUIC transport. This document does not specify an API, but +any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform +the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection. + +When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to: + +- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}}; +- enable 0-RTT; and +- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server. But why does an application need to be able to enable 0-RTT? Isn't 0-RTT optional at transport level, and more so at the app level? > + +When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to: + +- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}}; +- enable 0-RTT; and +- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server. + +When implementing the server role, applications need to be able to: + +- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in + {{handshake}}; +- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS + resumption ticket sent to the client; and +- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the + client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that + information. An app should also be able to reject incoming connections, for example based on implementation specific criteria such as load or peer IP address. > + +- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in + {{handshake}}; +- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS + resumption ticket sent to the client; and +- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the + client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that + information. + +In either role, applications need to be able to: + +- configure minimum values for the initial number of permitted streams of each + type, as communicated in the transport parameters ({{transport-parameters}}); +- control resource allocation of various types, including flow control and the + number of permitted streams of each type; +- identify whether the handshake has completed successfully or is still ongoing Given that hanshake keys must now be held forever, how can it be indicated that a handshake is complete? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

I realize this is merged by now, but I still have a few comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Required Operations on Streams
+
+There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when
+interacting with QUIC streams.  This document does not specify an API, but
+any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform
+the operations described in this section on a QUIC stream.
+
+On the sending part of a stream, application protocols need to be able to:
+
+- write data, understanding when stream flow control credit
+  ({{data-flow-control}}) has successfully been reserved to send the written
+  data
+- end the stream (clean termination), resulting in a STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-stream}}) with the FIN bit set; and
+- reset the stream (abrupt termination), resulting in a RESET_STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-reset-stream}}), even if the stream was already ended.

This is unclear - what does it mean that "the stream was already ended"? I would say it is fair for an API to issue a soft error if you try to RESET (abrupt termination) after having issued a FIN request (clean termination), or vice version. Certainly I would not want a QUIC implementation tracking a stream handle indefinitely in case some app decides to reset it eventually.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1101,6 +1132,41 @@ suggested structure:
 -->
 
 
+## Required Operations on Connections
+
+There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when
+interacting with the QUIC transport.  This document does not specify an API, but
+any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform
+the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
+
+When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
+- enable 0-RTT; and
+- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server.

But why does an application need to be able to enable 0-RTT? Isn't 0-RTT optional at transport level, and more so at the app level?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
+- enable 0-RTT; and
+- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server.
+
+When implementing the server role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in
+  {{handshake}};
+- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS
+  resumption ticket sent to the client; and
+- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the
+  client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that
+  information.

An app should also be able to reject incoming connections, for example based on implementation specific criteria such as load or peer IP address.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in
+  {{handshake}};
+- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS
+  resumption ticket sent to the client; and
+- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the
+  client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that
+  information.
+
+In either role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- configure minimum values for the initial number of permitted streams of each
+  type, as communicated in the transport parameters ({{transport-parameters}});
+- control resource allocation of various types, including flow control and the
+  number of permitted streams of each type;
+- identify whether the handshake has completed successfully or is still ongoing

Given that hanshake keys must now be held forever, how can it be indicated that a handshake is complete?

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IIUC, we agreed today in Cupertino that forbidding handshake key discarding (#3121) is the solution (at least for the time being), based on the assumption that it works.

I am starting to wonder if it works as expected.

Consider the case where the client migrates to a new path once the handshake is confirmed. That is in fact the recommended behavior when server-preferred address is used.

But IIUC, the existing transport logic is designed based on the assumption that path migration happens only after the exchange of Handshake packets have ceased.

I think I have found at least one issue: when the client intentionally migrates to a new path while still having unacknowledged handshake data, how does it choose the new client CID when sending the Handshake packet? Current design assumes that the server to pick the client CID from the pool of the CIDs it has received with the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. That works for 1-RTT packets, because 1-RTT packet does not have the Source CID field. But when using the long header packets, the sender choose the Source CID (the source being the client in this particular case). What is the solution here?

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Regarding the way on discarding the Handshake keys, I think the failures the WG have made until now are that we have been looking for a clever method in trying to infer when a Handshake key can be dropped, and/or using 1-RTT packet to tell the peer that the peer can drop the handshake keys (the problem here is that the peer might continue retransmitting Handshake packets if the endpoint ceases to send 1-RTT packets). Based on the discussion in Cupertino, I think that if we are to drop the Handshake keys, we should adopt a safer approach.

I'd argue that there exists a class of approaches that can be considered safe. That is to require an endpoint to retain the Handshake keys until the peer sends an explicit signal instructing the endpoint to drop the Handshake keys. Assuming that my observation in the comment right above is correct, we'd also need to adjust the transition to the handshake confirmed state to when an endpoint sends and receives that message.

That signal can be a new frame, a header bit, or a KeyUpdate.

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So the variable length integers have a 2 byte length prefix followed by a two bit length encoding?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

We need the length, as if it's absent, an attacker on the path from client to server but not on the opposite direction can obtain an Initial carrying DCID=X, race an Initial carrying DCID=prefix || X. Assuming that the Retry in response to the spoofed Initial wins the race, the client would learn that the value of the token is correct_token || prefix.

That said, I do not think having ODCID Len at this position prevents the attack, because the Retry Token field preceding this field does not have an explicit length. Rather, I think that we need to either place ODCID Len and ODCID before the Retry packet, or add the length of the Retry packet at the very front.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

Well, if the token is followed by an integrity tag, the would implicitly define the token length, no?

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----==_mimepart_5da9805a40f20_3d323f88d2acd95c15063c-- From nobody Fri Oct 18 05:24:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A97120058 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWk-7m75RiDy for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50C631200CD for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7533C2C0A7F for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:24:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571401468; bh=dHbMBE1M+JYcxFtYAVjZ5/xNt8w2btEw3zfP1Xt+i14=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qwkS/3tsNhW1xK/6lxNay6xVlFU1xE7oFwhU+MfXzwaKq9yJhfUk6oQDn5jK1/5We pBJjGTvwUYQp1MQREyTVi3E9ngDegk8f3wcEKadQ3Ysu86iFPLQ4/83lmCp59Dju/2 ui9jz3ItI57dzk9tRIQLTjtvmNx5kb13JiHVQzKU= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:24:28 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] unrecoverable loss pattern leads to deadlock (#2863) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da9aefc65fee_53bd3f82ae4cd964471eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:24:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da9aefc65fee_53bd3f82ae4cd964471eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What if each peer sends a required PING every 1/2 RTT until it sees a 1-RTT packet from peer or it times out using an aggressive version of PTO? Or something? And preferably replace handshake ACK's with implicit ACK's if possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2863#issuecomment-543713118 ----==_mimepart_5da9aefc65fee_53bd3f82ae4cd964471eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What if each peer sends a required PING every 1/2 RTT until it sees a 1-RTT packet from peer or it times out using an aggressive version of PTO? Or something? And preferably replace handshake ACK's with implicit ACK's if possible.

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Or better a each peer sends a handshake-PING (HSPING) such the a received HSPING indicates that the peer is still not happy. This differs from ACK's in that it is unsolicited and therefore cannot hang.

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@kazuho, it sounds like you are recommending something like the previous RETIRE_KEYS proposal?

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I also find it hard to understand why we must keep the handshake keys (and therefor the corresponding packet space) forever, and that there is no other way to solve this problem.

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I would definitely prefer something like that over never getting rid of the handshake keys.

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

LGTM. I'd also be for removing the unnecessary, prefixed Sequence Length and fine with changing to varint encoding where applicable.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4196,10 +4189,7 @@ processing a Retry packet; {{packet-0rtt}} contains more information on this.
 
 A server acknowledges the use of a Retry packet for a connection using the
 original_connection_id transport parameter (see
-{{transport-parameter-definitions}}).  If the server sends a Retry packet, it
-MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
-Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
-first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
+{{transport-parameter-definitions}}).

I agree with @marten-seemann here. The server MUST set the transport parameter. You're removing normative language here.

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I still prefer an implicit signal, and can think we can get it to work. But I would much prefer an explicit frame to keeping it forever.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

@mikkelfj This is about the format of the pseudo packet that we use to calculate the integrity tag.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4196,10 +4189,7 @@ processing a Retry packet; {{packet-0rtt}} contains more information on this.
 
 A server acknowledges the use of a Retry packet for a connection using the
 original_connection_id transport parameter (see
-{{transport-parameter-definitions}}).  If the server sends a Retry packet, it
-MUST include the value of the Original Destination Connection ID field of the
-Retry packet (that is, the Destination Connection ID field from the client's
-first Initial packet) in the transport parameter.
+{{transport-parameter-definitions}}).

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

Good catch, moved ODCID to the start to remove the ambiguity

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----==_mimepart_5da9f540b2f7f_3dc73f825d4cd960106b3-- From nobody Fri Oct 18 10:37:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6239C120118 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FA0cgHQnsi2e for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A56A12000F for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:37:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571420271; bh=l1X8Tcf1VqamknuL7CZlWAPER5DhoEU6Si9pTC5iqwE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WgSUspJcqHlFvxn5FXwrRyjJkg3sTPX2VNH6zmtpNn/VKqLYhvaHn6Y3fIRZ6cPAu +67fXkYAAuGe0i/zXKL4Qu5977iPh9vjxtHbaaV1e+VRjVMd9AUGpHiz96Sx04HuYR k9WF7NNYSeS6wRGXvUnEx49S+QYBjyy0ABj/jJ6M= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add retry integrity tag (#3120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5da9f86fc8f05_10923f92e32cd96c9231c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:37:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5da9f86fc8f05_10923f92e32cd96c9231c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +|1|1| 3 | Unused| ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Version (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| DCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| SCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Source Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Retry Token (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| ODCID Len (8) | @kazuho I would assume it had a pseudo packet length use to compute the tag, otherwise it would be a futile exercise. I'm probably still missing something. A weaker integrity check would need some padding protection but GCM should be fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#discussion_r336601002 ----==_mimepart_5da9f86fc8f05_10923f92e32cd96c9231c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

@kazuho I would assume it had a pseudo packet length use to compute the tag, otherwise it would be a futile exercise. I'm probably still missing something. A weaker integrity check would need some padding protection but GCM should be fine.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|1|1| 3 | Unused|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| ODCID Len (8) |

yeah, I'm missing that two fields without a length is ambigious.

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I believe the group did not want to make this change so I am closing the issue. @MikeBishop please reopen if I am mistaken.

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http-core says:

A server that responds with a final status code before reading the entire request payload body SHOULD indicate whether it intends to close the connection (see Section 9.7 of [Messaging]) or continue reading the payload body.

I think the resolution here is to explicitly map STOP_SENDING(EARLY_RESPONSE) to the indication that it intends the stream to be fully closed after the response, and the absence of STOP_SENDING to the server's intent to continue reading the payload body.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}
+
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it ensures
+that valid Retry packets cannot be sent by off-path attackers.

nit: perhaps soften this to, "... , and it helps mitigate off-path attacker Retry packet injection"? (The word "ensures" is a little misleading to me.)

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 18 11:41:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B951208C0 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YyqVOfUEC1we for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B1B8120811 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1576E1478 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571424062; bh=hJtRtZf23ATFdJ7gWVs8J1WpB3J89cVpsa+PqItoySo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PlkoZU1fMKPcFtDh6jz+rzM/pCdaBfwtGrEFOOJVgbDmOQ5OElGl/R2G6aprPssuD 6mOpcrRDGsxXe3YIhu35IAWJskWia06T6IKoooIf/u/kHKVJypEXlY+y/4gLg052D7 eLpZsePBeszasZpshEdjM8XenFanCmMzgplmHhFU= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:41:02 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Talk about concurrency in H3 vs. H2 (#3114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daa073e6b06b_2dd63f937a8cd96026561"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:41:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daa073e6b06b_2dd63f937a8cd96026561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LPardue commented on this pull request. > @@ -1814,6 +1814,22 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window. +In contrast to HTTP/2, stream concurrency in HTTP/3 is managed by QUIC. QUIC +considers a stream closed when all data has been received and sent data has been +acknowledged by the peer. HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame +containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result, +the stream for an equivalent exchange will typically remain "active" for one +additional round trip. HTTP/3 servers might choose to permit a larger number of +concurrent client-initiated bidirectional streams to achieve equivalent +concurrency than were permitted in HTTP/2, depending on the expected usage +patterns. + +Due to the presence of other unidirectional stream types, HTTP/3 does not rely +exclusively on the number of concurrent unidirectional streams to control the +number of concurrent pushes received by a client. Instead, HTTP/3 clients use ```suggestion number of concurrent in-flight pushes. 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Does it matter if the the STOP_SENDING error code is something other than EARLY RESPONSE?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The interesting part about the the Linux qdisc is its support for rate-based packet pacing, not it's fair queueing algorithm. Would it help to make that more clear or provide a reference such as: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/tc-fq.8.html -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3122#issuecomment-543971554 ----==_mimepart_5daa361d38022_76843f92feacd96c61740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The interesting part about the the Linux qdisc is its support for rate-based packet pacing, not it's fair queueing algorithm. Would it help to make that more clear or provide a reference such as: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/tc-fq.8.html

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At the interim, we talked about this not being an interop requirement, but "a really good idea" which still warrants RFC2119 language. So, keeping the all-caps, but taking the suggestion to make it active voice. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3124 -- Commit Summary -- * Rephrase #2780 to active voice -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3124.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3124.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3124 ----==_mimepart_5daa36408033b_51ee3fb67a4cd964927be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #2956. At the interim, we talked about this not being an interop requirement, but "a really good idea" which still warrants RFC2119 language. So, keeping the all-caps, but taking the suggestion to make it active voice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}
+
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it ensures
+that valid Retry packets cannot be sent by off-path attackers.

Good point, thanks! Fixed.

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Packets containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying their delivery to the peer. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses. +Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum Done in head. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3106#discussion_r336694343 ----==_mimepart_5daa39f384c7d_401a3fd7c5ccd9681424f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum

Done in head.

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Figures in HTTP/3 have capitalization that is inconsistent with RFC 7540 and the QUIC Transport document.

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One suggestion, but I think this is what we agreed to.

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I think I have found at least one issue: when the client intentionally migrates to a new path while still having unacknowledged handshake data, how does it choose the new client CID when sending the Handshake packet? Current design assumes that the server to pick the client CID from the pool of the CIDs it has received with the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. That works for 1-RTT packets, because 1-RTT packet does not have the Source CID field. But when using the long header packets, the sender choose the Source CID (the source being the client in this particular case). What is the solution here?

Why not simply prohibit migration until all handshake packets have been ACKed. There is no ambiguity here, as the server is forbidden from initiating migration.

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When the handshake is confirmed, all the Handshake data is known to be delivered and Handshake recovery state can be discarded. Previously, this was the moment Handshake keys were discarded, so the recovery doc relied on text about key discard to discard recovery state.

But now that the Handshake keys are staying around longer than the Handshake confirmed point, I'd suggest we add a paragraph to section 5.5(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-23#section-5.5) like:
"When the handshake has been confirmed, all data sent in Handshake packet is known to be delivered and all recovery state should be discarded."

To be clear, this suggestion is not a hack. We should do this if we're going to keep Handshake keys past Handshake Confirmed(which every solution I believe requires?), regardless of how long or why. I'll note that the server can do this upon receipt of any 1-RTT packet, but waiting for an ACK isn't likely to delay dropping Handshake state significantly and is consistent between client and server.

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Why not simply prohibit migration until all handshake packets have been ACKed. There is no ambiguity here, as the server is forbidden from initiating migration.

The problem here is that even in the case where an endpoint (e.g., server) has received all the handshake transcript and also the ACKs for all the ack-eliciting Handshake packets it has sent, the other side (e.g., client) might have still some data outstanding (due to ACKs being lost).

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I'd suggest we add a paragraph to section 5.5(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-23#section-5.5) like:
"When the handshake has been confirmed, all data sent in Handshake packet is known to be delivered and all recovery state should be discarded."

It's not only the the receive-side state of the Handshake packets that you need to retain forever, but also the state related to that path (e.g., socket). I am not sure we'd prefer that.

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----==_mimepart_5daa4a1ab98f8_2f943f8e4a6cd96011463-- From nobody Fri Oct 18 16:37:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4491A120046 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PsPxh1GgNLrj for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A053012002E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0B2520B07 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:37:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571441871; bh=lFKU2PVWmgmD/cgNTruNzh8S55wz31++6LVCR8PslN4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lPonE/Vv7MnAAaYwBR1nAt4ePAGU8k2tkSTk6mUdMD2lXSQy+z2WnY+ebovC9GmqT l+o3g/W8j5GdKuOb4mMxomctUXBCN60v9I5x93TjduAWVYS2GiIkAtt6t6sruhdH0T rNcMKh9EyJzrDnY88USRJD6dGgcjNsoyZhjcNta0= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:37:51 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] unrecoverable loss pattern leads to deadlock (#2863) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daa4ccfab305_7fb3fc28eacd95c137729"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:37:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daa4ccfab305_7fb3fc28eacd95c137729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle > it sounds like you are recommending something like the previous RETIRE_KEYS proposal? That might be the case (honestly I do not remember the details of the RETIRES_KEYS proposal), though I think I'm inclined to suggesting using a continuous signal (i.e., a Key Update or burning an unused header bit). The reasons being i) using a continuous signal allows us to abandon the Handshake keys earlier ii) we do not need to define a new signal that needs to be retransmitted in the transport draft, or rely on a particular behavior defined in the recovery draft that is not generally considered as necessary for a recovery logic (i.e. PTO "MUST" trigger a PING when there is no data to send). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2863#issuecomment-544007910 ----==_mimepart_5daa4ccfab305_7fb3fc28eacd95c137729 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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it sounds like you are recommending something like the previous RETIRE_KEYS proposal?

That might be the case (honestly I do not remember the details of the RETIRES_KEYS proposal), though I think I'm inclined to suggesting using a continuous signal (i.e., a Key Update or burning an unused header bit). The reasons being i) using a continuous signal allows us to abandon the Handshake keys earlier ii) we do not need to define a new signal that needs to be retransmitted in the transport draft, or rely on a particular behavior defined in the recovery draft that is not generally considered as necessary for a recovery logic (i.e. PTO "MUST" trigger a PING when there is no data to send).

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In response to @kazuho "when the client intentionally migrates to a new path while still having unacknowledged handshake data, how does it choose the new client CID when sending the Handshake packet?"

I'm arguing the client should never have unacknowledged Handshake data when it migrates, because it waits for handshake confirmation to migrate and at that point, all Handshake data should be discarded.

There is a possibility the server does not believe the handshake is confirmed but the client does. In that case, if the client didn't keep listening on the old path when it migrated AND the server didn't send anything in 1-RTT, there would be a problem. But don't we require both client and server to validate the path in this case, which would mean both would achieve handshake confirmation on the new path, if they had not done so previously?

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I'm not in love with the pseudo-packet concept, FWIW.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}
+
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates
+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.

I'm unsure how this achieves the latter goal?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"}
+
+The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking

I'm confused by the term Psuedo-Packet. If you're intending to remove these fields in a future PR, I'd prefer to keep them in for now to make this simpler.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}
+
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates
+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.

We prevent off-path attackers from injecting Retry packets by including the Original Destination Connection ID in the associated data here. If they didn't see the client's Initial their Retry will not validate.

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----==_mimepart_5daaa3f23ad6f_16673fb265ccd95c9966d-- From nobody Fri Oct 18 22:51:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92051201EF for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XDXZaJnYYhXw for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06C1F12012E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0678C01F4 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571464293; bh=YCVXvVeqFJRGx/qtC44R29emTlo++q5AUBtMlFU81MU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lPZLrM1wfQd9cRR5MzsVisG7VVBPko1AAp8s35fckoIqi0UuXq/DpnHnZpaNAN3ik aYgRpY05CLY7AXVbXikBDsxh/yAFRYtpeqm5dr+AjLZ5uGchx6sZ74TUb2X6W8ClSf BuCWJC/cGbDXyuId08wAbh7dXuLJw/aEbYBDAvIg= Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:51:33 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add retry integrity tag (#3120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daaa465dde08_757a3fe6de2cd96810703d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:51:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daaa465dde08_757a3fe6de2cd96810703d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > +| Version (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| DCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| SCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Source Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Retry Token (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ +{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"} + +The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking This concept comes from how TCP computes its checksum to include fields in the checksum that aren't transmitted in the TCP header: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc793#section-3.1 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#discussion_r336723652 ----==_mimepart_5daaa465dde08_757a3fe6de2cd96810703d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"}
+
+The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking

This concept comes from how TCP computes its checksum to include fields in the checksum that aren't transmitted in the TCP header: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc793#section-3.1

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Not really, this is the first (and almost only) thing you find and it tells you very little about queueing algorithms.

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There is a possibility the server does not believe the handshake is confirmed but the client does. In that case, if the client didn't keep listening on the old path when it migrated AND the server didn't send anything in 1-RTT, there would be a problem.

Yes. This is the case I am pointing out.

But don't we require both client and server to validate the path in this case, which would mean both would achieve handshake confirmation on the new path, if they had not done so previously?

I am not sure if there is a guarantee that handshake confirmation would be obtained before the path is validated, because the path might become validated while all the packets carrying 1-RTT ACKs get dropped. And at that point, the endpoints might cease sending 1-RTT packets to each other.

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I agree with @kazuho, I think the ossification parameters should include 2 bits used to XOR the long header type field.

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I disagree, I personally quite like the current syntax.

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----==_mimepart_5dab7879ae58a_13ff3f95e3ccd96472049e-- From nobody Sat Oct 19 14:32:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4411200B6 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lTaKrc3Dweqo for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CA5612008F for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:32:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571520730; bh=pisDTsuc/Nwb2R8NerzxxK1GeWgArDE+dWg7/8hUox0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=seyIwb3URpaAUxSHR0XN9SDny9CBXtI+4c5MTORUOh6fwUF3mHIXk531sc9ozfwVS R9wx8ztWrxFJbSyTrp1Tm+RllgEYP9iOWhU3KLSb8OlLwg2wrnIwzyQ6AFH96CQiuz 0JxneklXo3WAHyCUMfZ36A+yrhm70TSsJUNFs+Dk= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dab80da536d9_2c153f86736cd96c7752f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 21:32:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dab80da536d9_2c153f86736cd96c7752f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also prefer the current syntax because I find it easier to understand how everything packs together. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3115#issuecomment-544199011 ----==_mimepart_5dab80da536d9_2c153f86736cd96c7752f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also prefer the current syntax because I find it easier to understand how everything packs together.

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----==_mimepart_5dab80da536d9_2c153f86736cd96c7752f4-- From nobody Sat Oct 19 16:40:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2882C120077 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJi6pyRCK5vW for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B8D120024 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:40:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571528427; bh=jVGV3bg6dtNIF/LM98vxhWw9lpzg4z8rVxKRcx+ULSM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ChHJXhONfdpEJFUXc6ct2pl+fEzMeA0Jvq98t/wCQBn3o6wC0b3JAY5E/eJyaSHdp oQY2ouwGo2b+ncnxRwl7fjrc55RPYLG67G1Iic4UyqkCUuyd3mAtTiwYEfVNpG/dWY pi4ozf40isEOKi04yHwZBxUNmz/1Awfo5p0YS4LM= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] [Version Ossification] Alternative version and Initial Salt should be part of NEW_TOKEN (#3111) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dab9eebd71a0_78063fe0998cd96c616990"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:40:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dab9eebd71a0_78063fe0998cd96c616990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A NEW_TOKEN frame is always optional, but is seems weird to link something that is desirable-but-optional (handing out tokens) with something that some may find undesirable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3111#issuecomment-544206256 ----==_mimepart_5dab9eebd71a0_78063fe0998cd96c616990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A NEW_TOKEN frame is always optional, but is seems weird to link something that is desirable-but-optional (handing out tokens) with something that some may find undesirable.

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----==_mimepart_5dab9eebd71a0_78063fe0998cd96c616990-- From nobody Sun Oct 20 02:58:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8551200DB for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QXh1h06r0zho for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946EE1200CC for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 02:58:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571565480; bh=jxQXmW0dqFsbULFw/b+ekXG1ID30wYH6JHq83++vMIU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DRJB8I+Q6uzsSuG2LCqdQMzmMyOrGL1k0Erzm7omi7YXX+KViK0iqCJtXRFAkM1dt OPyeJJVzw1tQkPH1+BybXkPwl2DCwo7/gDnVpusQa5MGt+/10diL6woHSG+4l+RmAf TGLABfLXQM2uzoRGOkA2A2o0EaOSMhOGnHHL7cOA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more conservative about migration? (#2143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dac2fa83dc12_49a13faa798cd968339222"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:58:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dac2fa83dc12_49a13faa798cd968339222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think some of issues I was thinking about relate to a non-blind attack where packets are mirrored, but that might well be covered in your text. I'm just linking for reference https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2582 Another issue that has been discussed is in early handshake where a powerful (government) adversary can race packets during handshake through a faster network. This is also not blind, and it is not something QUIC v1 attempts to solve AFAIR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2143#issuecomment-544237703 ----==_mimepart_5dac2fa83dc12_49a13faa798cd968339222 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think some of issues I was thinking about relate to a non-blind attack where packets are mirrored, but that might well be covered in your text. I'm just linking for reference

#2582

Another issue that has been discussed is in early handshake where a powerful (government) adversary can race packets during handshake through a faster network. This is also not blind, and it is not something QUIC v1 attempts to solve AFAIR.

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I'm a bit worried this misses the point. Ack-eliciting packets should be acknowledged yes, but so should non-ack-eliciting packets. By stating that ack-eliciting packets should be ACK'ed at least once, it is implied that this is not the case for other packets. This may be correct but not necessarily clear. For example for long transmissions where the peer does nothing but sending ACKs, not all of those ACKs will necessarily have to be ACK'ed. But what is the guiding principle for that? And, since you in this case are sending lots of ACK eliciting packets, you can easily ACK all the peers ACK's. So when would you not want to do that? A special case that could deadlock - e.g. too many ACKs to fit in a packet?

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Also, when ACKs packets don't fit in packets, this would also hold for ACK'ing ack-eliciting packets. So you could end up having to not ACK'ing some packets and induce loss. Requiring an ACK for all packets would be problematic. I'm not sure we want that. The result could be very hard to implement while the practical benefit would be small: sending multiple ACK packets with different content due to overflow.

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----==_mimepart_5dac368fa63b4_70be3ff2dc8cd96c2919a0-- From nobody Sun Oct 20 05:49:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6E2120020 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 05:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LcRsswxr3iRq for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 05:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5CA2120033 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 05:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2692A660499 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 05:49:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571575742; bh=9516FTaQYkCIKoQc54s6Gwmb9no/QgDkJp6tRU9CHbc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lJ5ycp9lMEGjQa4WK3IH81PTYkn6PTgArAmGZtBesL2xsKVfDazqKSZzQxOFgvgao Ac3ddv4vlSENTr6hKnWRs8q2rs0RVQHD8b7NlbCQwvBE9GlcZaMJtvTtVNedUDnpXd XrmQuDxQLmrhwUMVJxPmiQnItrDV9XcmZFaGaXes= Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 05:49:02 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add retry integrity tag (#3120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dac57be17369_59073f9653ecd9601949c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:49:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dac57be17369_59073f9653ecd9601949c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett approved this pull request. If possible, I think it'd be nice to add this to the transport draft, since if we ever changed crypto handshakes, I expect we'd still want this. If that conversation is a wider discussion, I'm happy to have it on a separate PR. > +| Version (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| DCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| SCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Source Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Retry Token (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ +{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"} + +The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking I somehow missed the removal of ODCID and ODCID len upon first review, so this makes sense now. Q: Is there a reason this needs to be in TLS? It seems like this doesn't interact with TLS at all. > @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello. The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. Thanks, how about being being specific and saying "to send valid retry packets without having seen the original destination connection ID."? That was also true before this change, so I was thinking there was some new protection I was unaware of. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#pullrequestreview-304257230 ----==_mimepart_5dac57be17369_59073f9653ecd9601949c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett approved this pull request.

If possible, I think it'd be nice to add this to the transport draft, since if we ever changed crypto handshakes, I expect we'd still want this. If that conversation is a wider discussion, I'm happy to have it on a separate PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"}
+
+The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking

I somehow missed the removal of ODCID and ODCID len upon first review, so this makes sense now.

Q: Is there a reason this needs to be in TLS? It seems like this doesn't interact with TLS at all.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}
+
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates
+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.

Thanks, how about being being specific and saying "to send valid retry packets without having seen the original destination connection ID."?

That was also true before this change, so I was thinking there was some new protection I was unaware of.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +|                         Version (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| DCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| SCID Len (8)  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"}
+
+The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking

This is in TLS because the transport doc currently has no dependency on AES. I'll let the editors decide where this should live.

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QUIC +considers a stream closed when all data has been received and sent data has been +acknowledged by the peer. HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame +containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result, +the stream for an equivalent exchange will typically remain "active" for one +additional round trip. HTTP/3 servers might choose to permit a larger number of +concurrent client-initiated bidirectional streams to achieve equivalent +concurrency than were permitted in HTTP/2, depending on the expected usage "permit a larger number...than were permitted" makes sense, but there are so many words between them that it's kind of hard to parse. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1814,6 +1814,22 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the
 space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC
 are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window.
 
+In contrast to HTTP/2, stream concurrency in HTTP/3 is managed by QUIC.  QUIC
+considers a stream closed when all data has been received and sent data has been
+acknowledged by the peer.  HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame
+containing the END_STREAM bit has been committed to the transport. As a result,
+the stream for an equivalent exchange will typically remain "active" for one
+additional round trip.  HTTP/3 servers might choose to permit a larger number of
+concurrent client-initiated bidirectional streams to achieve equivalent
+concurrency than were permitted in HTTP/2, depending on the expected usage

"permit a larger number...than were permitted" makes sense, but there are so many words between them that it's kind of hard to parse.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1814,6 +1814,15 @@ considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the
 space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC
 are reached first, such as the limit on the connection flow control window.
 
+QUIC manages stream concurrency on behalf of HTTP/3.  QUIC considers a stream
+closed when all sent data and all acknowledgements for received data have been
+acknowledged by the peer.  HTTP/2 considers a stream closed when the frame

Or a reset has been sent and acknowledged.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -587,8 +585,10 @@ d = count of entries dropped
 ### Prefixed Integers
 
 The prefixed integer from Section 5.1 of [RFC7541] is used heavily throughout
-this document.  The format from [RFC7541] is used unmodified.  QPACK
-implementations MUST be able to decode integers up to 62 bits long.
+this document.  The format from [RFC7541] is used unmodified.  Note, however,
+that QPACK uses some prefix sizes not actually used in HPACK.
+
+QPACK implementations MUST be able to decode integers up to 62 bits long.

As long as we are being pedantic: "up to and including?"

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Perhaps we should have a TIMEOUT error code? Connection timeouts are extremely common. It would help implementations detect timeout conditions without having to parse the connection_close error string. One could argue that a timeout isn't an error, but we already have SERVER_BUSY.

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If so, it should probably distinguish between idle timeout and handshake timeout.

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I think the transport doc currently suggests using NO_ERROR. There are no other suggested uses of NO_ERROR, so this seems like it is functionally equivalent to a TIMEOUT error code?

After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints enter the draining state. An endpoint that receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MAY send a single packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a constant exchange of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until the closing period on either peer ended.

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@ianswett When I read that, it doesn't really sound like it's describing a timeout condition, just that one side is about to enter the draining state and it may send a CONNECTION_CLOSE packet to increase the chances the other side also moves to the draining state.

NO_ERROR doesn't seem that useful to me.

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If my understanding of the spec is correct, you're not supposed to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE when you detect a timeout, since you don't expect it to be received anyway.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking about the case where the idle timeout is long and a peer would be stuck retransmitting data until it hits the idle timeout. Right now, it can send NO_ERROR, but it just seems like having a specific error code for timeouts would help. I agree that there's no need to send anything after we reach the idle timeout. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3126#issuecomment-544756501 ----==_mimepart_5dae4674d59a6_4c4d3ff303ecd96c22263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was thinking about the case where the idle timeout is long and a peer would be stuck retransmitting data until it hits the idle timeout. Right now, it can send NO_ERROR, but it just seems like having a specific error code for timeouts would help. I agree that there's no need to send anything after we reach the idle timeout.

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----==_mimepart_5dae4674d59a6_4c4d3ff303ecd96c22263-- From nobody Mon Oct 21 17:20:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F5B120A83 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:20:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u5EaRuwLNjAa for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6190D120026 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43C52C33CD for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571703616; bh=djVhZzFB+PIdoMm9zOgPrwhEOFbHU9CUKI4HysfKHus=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tq9SEbt8SWDto0ylTn7n1Fk3M1xWZoqD2FtuXSguHW8Adjj7ZnOsIY0TZC1DZIeNH OVw1xMPFsfVY8ywVzqll7YIyLHhsc1IRCtRiATZyjKy5M8csfrKsJdwiE/++/gBdoy qbhXcMG7Rp4XHmxdjDLt75vZLXo2msvAb7mQOIEU= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:20:16 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixed handshake key deadlock issue (#3093) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dae4b40a5b5f_48313f8c75acd96079657"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 00:20:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dae4b40a5b5f_48313f8c75acd96079657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As we concluded at the meeting, we're going to keep Handshake keys indefinitely. FWIW, I don't believe that it is possible to find a confirmation step that doesn't involve both peers actively driving the state machine. Otherwise, peers might not reach the same state within a reasonable time. This change still has problems (more below) and only adds delay to the confirmed state by making the requirements more complex. Here's an example of how this fix breaks. I'm sure that there are more: ![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/67641/67252125-5a26cf80-f4bd-11e9-915c-29e8bb33a7be.png)
web sequence diagram code ``` title Bad scenario Client->Server: Initial Client->Server: 0-RTT (ack-eliciting) Server->Client: Initial + Handshake Server->Client: 1-RTT (ACK for 0-RTT) Client->Server: Handshake Server-->Client: ACK (lost) Client->Server: 1-RTT (ack-eliciting + ACK for 0.5-RTT) Server->Client: 1-RTT (ACK for 1-RTT) note right of Server The server now believes that the handshake is confirmed end note note left of Client The client isn't confirmed end note note over Client,Server Considerable time can now elapse end note Client->Server: Handshake (retransmission) note over Server: drop garbage Client->Server: Handshake (retransmission) note over Server: drop garbage ... ```
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As we concluded at the meeting, we're going to keep Handshake keys indefinitely.

FWIW, I don't believe that it is possible to find a confirmation step that doesn't involve both peers actively driving the state machine. Otherwise, peers might not reach the same state within a reasonable time. This change still has problems (more below) and only adds delay to the confirmed state by making the requirements more complex.

Here's an example of how this fix breaks. I'm sure that there are more:

image

web sequence diagram code ``` title Bad scenario

Client->Server: Initial
Client->Server: 0-RTT (ack-eliciting)
Server->Client: Initial + Handshake
Server->Client: 1-RTT (ACK for 0-RTT)

Client->Server: Handshake
Server-->Client: ACK (lost)

Client->Server: 1-RTT (ack-eliciting + ACK for 0.5-RTT)
Server->Client: 1-RTT (ACK for 1-RTT)
note right of Server
The server now believes that
the handshake is confirmed
end note

note left of Client
The client isn't confirmed
end note

note over Client,Server
Considerable time can now elapse
end note

Client->Server: Handshake (retransmission)
note over Server: drop garbage
Client->Server: Handshake (retransmission)
note over Server: drop garbage ...

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Closed #3093.

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For the record, the two arguments that carried this were a) everyone has already implemented #2870, and b) you can't send CONNECTION_CLOSE if you keep the keys the same. Mix to taste.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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Seems right to me. Editorial tweaks suggested.

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SGTM > @@ -1336,7 +1336,7 @@ protocol incompatible with the protocol version being used. ## QUIC Transport Parameters Extension {#quic_parameters} QUIC transport parameters are carried in a TLS extension. Different versions of -QUIC might define a different format for this struct. +QUIC might define a different format for them. "them" is a little vague. ```suggestion QUIC might define a different method for negotiating transport configuration. ``` > +| Transport Parameter ID (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Transport Param Length (16) | This should be a multi-line suggestion, but thanks to GitHub, it doesn't work that way... ```suggestion | Transport Parameter ID (16) | Transport Param Length (16) | ``` > ~~~ - struct { - opaque ipv4Address[4]; - uint16 ipv4Port; - opaque ipv6Address[16]; - uint16 ipv6Port; - opaque connectionId<0..20>; - opaque statelessResetToken[16]; - } PreferredAddress; + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Address (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Port (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ You could wrap this differently... ``` +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IPv4 Port (16) | | +-------------------------------+ + | | + + | IPv6 Address (128) | + + | | + +-------------------------------+ | | IPv6 Port (16) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` > +| CID Length (8)| ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Connection ID (*) ... ```suggestion | CID Length (8)| Connection ID (*) ... ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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"them" is a little vague.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +|  Transport Parameter ID (16)  |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|  Transport Param Length (16)  |=0D
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-|  Transport Param Length (16)  |=0D
+|  Transport Parameter ID (16)  |  Transport Param Length (16)  |=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-   struct {=0D
-     opaque ipv4Address[4];=0D
-     uint16 ipv4Port;=0D
-     opaque ipv6Address[16];=0D
-     uint16 ipv6Port;=0D
-     opaque connectionId<0..20>;=0D
-     opaque statelessResetToken[16];=0D
-   } PreferredAddress;=0D
+ 0                   1                   2                   3=0D
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
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You could wrap this differently...

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+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=
+-+=0D
|         IPv4 Port (16)        |                               |=0D
+-------------------------------+                               +=0D
|                                                               |=0D
+                                                               +=0D
|                      IPv6 Address (128)                       |=0D
+                                                               +=0D
|                                                               |=0D
+                               +-------------------------------+=0D
|                               |         IPv6 Port (16)        |=0D
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +| CID Length (8)|=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|                      Connection ID (*)                      ...=0D
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-|                      Connection ID (*)     =
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+| CID Length (8)|      Connection ID (*)                      ...=0D
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I think that the RFC 6648 lessons need to be considered carefully here. I think that it would be better to use a combination of random selection and provisional registration as a means of handling experiments. Random selection means that we end up colliding with very low probability; provisional registration ensures that registrations are protected. Making the private use space larger does neither. I would prefer to instead remove the private use space completely.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its
 SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST
 NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client
 with its 0-RTT data.  The server MUST include all settings which differ from
-their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS
-frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was
-previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.
+their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS
+frame which reduces setting the client understands, this MUST be treated as a

An interesting consequence of the "reduces" clause here is that you can't define a "supports" setting with 0=supports and 1=doesn't support.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close

I don't think that we should allow the server to continue. Why not make the INVALID_TOKEN mandatory?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close
+({{immediate-close}}) the connection with an connection error of
+INVALID_TOKEN to cause the handshake to fail quickly instead of waiting
+for the client to timeout.  When a client receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+with an error of INVALID_TOKEN, it MAY create a new connection.

This isn't a very useful "MAY", because we couldn't stop a client from doing this. We never say anything about making other connections anywhere else.

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The identifier clearly identifies requests that were not "processed", which allows the client to retry those requests. The identifier also identifies which of those requests can be cleaned up expeditiously. My view is that the former is significantly more important. Enabling clean retry is one of the best features of h2. For pushes, the need to signal whether the data was "processed" is moot, because only safe requests can be pushed. So most of this comes down to what optimizations are enabled by the explicit Push ID. In h2, requests are automatically "cancelled", though the bits are still retransmitted by TCP if the connection is kept alive. A client isn't required to reset or finalize any associated streams if the requests were not complete, but the transport will automatically repair lost segments. In h3, the same applies, though there is an optimization that might be enabled. The transport layer can be told not to retransmit data for "cancelled" streams if packets are lost. This doesn't require explicit RESET_STREAM or STOP_SENDING frames, reprioritization might be enough. Depending on the transport implementations, endpoints might need to use RESET_STREAM to ensure that transport stacks are aware of the need to suppress retransmissions. >From that perspective, an explicit Push ID would enable new capabilities in terms of suppression of unnecessary retransmission. For example, say that there is an open request that is receiving associated pushes for data that arrives on a fixed cadence. Say that a client wants to move to a different connection (because it was told with Alt-Svc, for instance). The client might initiate a request starting at a particular time on a new connection. When the client cancels this connection, there might be a number of pushes in flight. If the client can precisely identify the push that immediately precedes the request it initiates on the new connection, the server can identify which of these pushes need to be fully delivered, and which can be abandoned. However, this optimization really only works if the client can make this identification precisely. If there are multiple requests in flight on the connection, the client might not be able to identify or predict the Push ID that will be used for the next push in the sequence. The server might avoid this by providing promises well ahead (>1RTT) of the actual pushes so that the client doesn't need to guess, but that might not be possible in the general case. This also requires that Push IDs are used strictly sequentially with respect to the global clock. This doesn't guarantee clean separation even if Push IDs monotonically increase for each resource. For instance, if two resources were providing the same sort of pushes, response 0 might promise Push ID 10 for time=44, but response 4 might promise Push ID 9 that corresponds to time=45. That makes it difficult for a client to make a clean cut with a single value. This also doesn't interact well with a model where the answering of a request depends on receiving a set of pushes. If you have a resource that produces a continuous set of pushes on the same connection as a resource that (ideally) produces a fixed number of pushes (see also Prefer-Push), then the cut for the continuous resource might be clean, but it might split the pushes for the resource with a fixed set of associated pushes. Of course, all of these arguments could easily be countered by saying that this is just an optimization, but given that it's an optimization we don't have for h2 (because TCP), I think that I'd prefer not to provide the capability. Finer-grained signals might be valuable: such as the idea that individual requests might have separate budgets for push that can be progressively expanded by clients as they are ready for more. That seems like something worth considering for future versions of this protocol. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-544772352 ----==_mimepart_5dae5a4e276c5_40d93f7f084cd96884992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The semantics of an identifier in the server-to-client GOAWAY are twofold. The identifier clearly identifies requests that were not "processed", which allows the client to retry those requests. The identifier also identifies which of those requests can be cleaned up expeditiously. My view is that the former is significantly more important. Enabling clean retry is one of the best features of h2.

For pushes, the need to signal whether the data was "processed" is moot, because only safe requests can be pushed. So most of this comes down to what optimizations are enabled by the explicit Push ID.

In h2, requests are automatically "cancelled", though the bits are still retransmitted by TCP if the connection is kept alive. A client isn't required to reset or finalize any associated streams if the requests were not complete, but the transport will automatically repair lost segments.

In h3, the same applies, though there is an optimization that might be enabled. The transport layer can be told not to retransmit data for "cancelled" streams if packets are lost. This doesn't require explicit RESET_STREAM or STOP_SENDING frames, reprioritization might be enough. Depending on the transport implementations, endpoints might need to use RESET_STREAM to ensure that transport stacks are aware of the need to suppress retransmissions.

From that perspective, an explicit Push ID would enable new capabilities in terms of suppression of unnecessary retransmission.

For example, say that there is an open request that is receiving associated pushes for data that arrives on a fixed cadence. Say that a client wants to move to a different connection (because it was told with Alt-Svc, for instance). The client might initiate a request starting at a particular time on a new connection. When the client cancels this connection, there might be a number of pushes in flight. If the client can precisely identify the push that immediately precedes the request it initiates on the new connection, the server can identify which of these pushes need to be fully delivered, and which can be abandoned.

However, this optimization really only works if the client can make this identification precisely. If there are multiple requests in flight on the connection, the client might not be able to identify or predict the Push ID that will be used for the next push in the sequence. The server might avoid this by providing promises well ahead (>1RTT) of the actual pushes so that the client doesn't need to guess, but that might not be possible in the general case.

This also requires that Push IDs are used strictly sequentially with respect to the global clock. This doesn't guarantee clean separation even if Push IDs monotonically increase for each resource. For instance, if two resources were providing the same sort of pushes, response 0 might promise Push ID 10 for time=44, but response 4 might promise Push ID 9 that corresponds to time=45. That makes it difficult for a client to make a clean cut with a single value.

This also doesn't interact well with a model where the answering of a request depends on receiving a set of pushes. If you have a resource that produces a continuous set of pushes on the same connection as a resource that (ideally) produces a fixed number of pushes (see also Prefer-Push), then the cut for the continuous resource might be clean, but it might split the pushes for the resource with a fixed set of associated pushes.

Of course, all of these arguments could easily be countered by saying that this is just an optimization, but given that it's an optimization we don't have for h2 (because TCP), I think that I'd prefer not to provide the capability.

Finer-grained signals might be valuable: such as the idea that individual requests might have separate budgets for push that can be progressively expanded by clients as they are ready for more. That seems like something worth considering for future versions of this protocol.

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Thanks for the diagram, and I'm happy to stick with the approach of keeping the keys forever.

If we change nothing about the existing text, what you describe occurs, but as I suggested elsewhere, if we are going to delay dropping the Handshake keys(somewhat or indefinitely), I think we should update the text of transport or recovery to be clear that you can stop retransmitting any outstanding data in Handshake once you've received a 1-RTT ACK.

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I prefer more error codes over fewer, especially for cases like this that may be quite common.

Even if we use NO_ERROR, I think we should specify what the error code to send is in the case you're mentioning.

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Some editorial suggestions and one question about a length field. I'm ambivalent with the implicit ODCID thing. I like implicit things generally because you can't succeed if you don't have the right information, but this seems like it might still fail if the client doesn't check the tag. We could completely avoid that being an issue if we enciphered the token, but that might change the optimization options enough that it isn't worthwhile. > @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello. The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. + +The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of +AEAD_AES_128_GCM used with the following inputs: ```suggestion AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=RFC5116}} used with the following inputs: ``` > @@ -2736,7 +2736,7 @@ available. ## Protected Packets {#packet-protected} -All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authenticated +All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation packets use authenticated encryption with additional data (AEAD) {{!RFC5116}} to provide confidentiality The confidentiality bit means that this statement still applies to Retry. > @@ -4111,37 +4111,31 @@ wishes to perform a retry (see {{validate-handshake}}). +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source Connection ID (0..160) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| ODCID Len (8) | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Original Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Retry Token (*) ... In the interests of cleaner parsing, should we add a length for the token? That would increase the similarity of this header with the Initial header. > @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello. The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. + +The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of +AEAD_AES_128_GCM used with the following inputs: + +- The key is 128 bits all set to zero. ```suggestion - The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero. ``` > @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello. The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. + +The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of +AEAD_AES_128_GCM used with the following inputs: + +- The key is 128 bits all set to zero. +- The nonce is 96 bits all set to zero. ```suggestion - The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero. ``` and continue. > | Retry Token (*) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| | ++ + +| | ++ Retry Integrity Tag (128) + I wonder if we shouldn't just label this AEAD Ciphertext rather than just a tag. > @@ -4163,10 +4157,9 @@ A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection attempt. After the client has received and processed an Initial or Retry packet from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent Retry packets that it receives. -Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destination -Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID from its -Initial packet. This prevents an off-path attacker from injecting a Retry -packet. +Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retry Integrity Tag cannot be +validated, see the Retry Packet Integrity section of {{QUIC-TLS}}. This +mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject a Retry packet. I think that we want to add: "and protects against accidental corruption of Retry packets." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Some editorial suggestions and one question about a length field.

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I'm ambivalent with the implicit ODCID thing. I like implicit things = generally because you can't succeed if you don't have the right informati= on, but this seems like it might still fail if the client doesn't check t= he tag. We could completely avoid that being an issue if we enciphered t= he token, but that might change the optimization options enough that it i= sn't worthwhile.

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+The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the outpu=
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In the interests of cleaner parsing, should we add a length for the to= ken? That would increase the similarity of this header with the Initial = header.

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+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}=0D
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+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mit=
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+The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the outpu=
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+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding=0D=

+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mit=
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+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.=0D
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+The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the outpu=
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I wonder if we shouldn't just label this AEAD Ciphertext rather than j= ust a tag.

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-Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID fr=
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-packet.=0D
+Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retry Integrity Tag cannot be=0D=

+validated, see the Retry Packet Integrity section of {{QUIC-TLS}}. This=0D=

+mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject a Retry packet.=0D=
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I think that we want to add: "and protects against accidental corrupti= on of Retry packets."

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 21 18:47:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A44120B32 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Y0OwkRMZ-2S for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FA3C120B04 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:47:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571708851; bh=5G942TAq3hoLJtkGwW611HmS4sREP1IBNqOg9htCE/Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XXgIO1JCbT61rLDCPEvYpH1/iXrnUHUU1Z+HspmGZyvp0seSTEqhQTTRsSEW/nc7k u7GGUHgKTYXRaN8tzxP03NkaEM0DoS0nWjYleF045eTl9djGJEAhUPypWb1JaMHn9l R6SreddRT8F64v4X1tAIBRwPe6O1LcLst+/YzGk8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forbid Handshake key discarding (#3121) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dae5fb38bbe4_3e473f7f302cd960124018"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 01:47:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dae5fb38bbe4_3e473f7f302cd960124018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would very much like to replace this text with something better. But we were given an impossible set of requirements. A strong preference was expressed for not having an explicit mechanism for driving toward a state where both peers can agree to drop keys. All our efforts to find implicit signals have been shown to fail. As a result, while we can drive handshakes to a completed state, because we rely on lazy signals to drive them to a confirmed state, we don't get to drop handshake keys. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3121#issuecomment-544775860 ----==_mimepart_5dae5fb38bbe4_3e473f7f302cd960124018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would very much like to replace this text with something better. But we were given an impossible set of requirements. A strong preference was expressed for not having an explicit mechanism for driving toward a state where both peers can agree to drop keys. All our efforts to find implicit signals have been shown to fail. As a result, while we can drive handshakes to a completed state, because we rely on lazy signals to drive them to a confirmed state, we don't get to drop handshake keys.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3061,14 +3061,13 @@ of doing so.
 
 Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are
 limits on how frequently they can be sent.  An endpoint MUST NOT send more than
-one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet (one
-containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING).  An endpoint MUST NOT send a
-packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet
-(one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are packet gaps
-which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an infinite
-feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection from ever
-becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ack-eliciting packets when
-it sends an ACK frame.
+one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ack-eliciting packet.  An
+endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-
+eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received

A nit: Though this hyphenation looks sane when presented this way, it won't be guaranteed to render nicely. It might appear as non-ack- eliciting (note the extra space). I think that you should remove the wrapping on the hyphen.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2736,7 +2736,7 @@ available.
 
 ## Protected Packets {#packet-protected}
 
-All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authenticated
+All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation packets use authenticated
 encryption with additional data (AEAD) {{!RFC5116}} to provide confidentiality

I'm not sure whether Retry packets have less confidentiality protection than Initial packets?

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I think that I would prefer the NEW_TOKEN design suggested in #3111. The additional bits seem like they might be worth adding as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4163,10 +4157,9 @@ A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection
 attempt.  After the client has received and processed an Initial or Retry packet
 from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent Retry packets that it receives.
 
-Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destination
-Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID from its
-Initial packet.  This prevents an off-path attacker from injecting a Retry
-packet.
+Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retry Integrity Tag cannot be
+validated, see the Retry Packet Integrity section of {{QUIC-TLS}}. This
+mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject a Retry packet.

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If we make this a mandatory part of NEW_TOKEN, then we increase the number of connections that deploy ossification defenses. I'm slightly in favour of doing that. A mandatory coupling also makes the encoding slightly simpler.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  |                        Retry Token (*)                      ...
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                                                               |
++                                                               +
+|                                                               |
++                   Retry Integrity Tag (128)                   +

I initially had checksum, which is somewhat closer to our intent by not fully correct. I'd personally rather have a name that conveys intent rather than construction, but I'll let the editors decide.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4111,37 +4111,31 @@ wishes to perform a retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-| ODCID Len (8) |
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|          Original Destination Connection ID (0..160)        ...
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                        Retry Token (*)                      ...

We could, but then we'd have to handle the case where the length is wrong. I don't feel too strongly either way

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3013,18 +3013,21 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
 This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
+Every ack-eliciting packet MUST be acknowledged in at least one transmitted
+ACK frame, and SHOULD typically be acknowledged in more than one ACK frame.

To Mikkel's comment, could we say that every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and that ack-eliciting packets MUST be acknowledged within the maximum ack delay. ?

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I'm ambivalent with the implicit ODCID thing. I like implicit things generally because you can't succeed if you don't have the right information, but this seems like it might still fail if the client doesn't check the tag. We could completely avoid that being an issue if we enciphered the token, but that might change the optimization options enough that it isn't worthwhile.

The ODCID being implicit has the same checking properties as an explicit ODCID - the client could ignore that field entirely before.

That said I do like the idea of making it harder to not check, by encrypting the token. @nibanks if we were to encrypt the token with a zero-key, would that still be suitable? I think the overhead is very small as long as we don't use HKDF / SHA-2 here.

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I think that this isn't quite right. It makes an unstated assumption, namely that the transport maintains a fixed "active stream count" that it uses to increment the maximum stream ID. The decision to increase the maximum stream identifier could be made at the same point in HTTP/3 as it is in HTTP/2 if the transport+HTTP stacks were to decide that.

I think that we can stop by saying that the state machine is different and that this might result in HTTP/3 streams being regarded as closed later than in HTTP/2. This could reduce the effective stream concurrency if the number of streams is used in a similar way to decide the maximum stream ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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-   struct {
-     opaque ipv4Address[4];
-     uint16 ipv4Port;
-     opaque ipv6Address[16];
-     uint16 ipv6Port;
-     opaque connectionId<0..20>;
-     opaque statelessResetToken[16];
-   } PreferredAddress;
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

That looks sad :(

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +| CID Length (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                      Connection ID (*)                      ...

I'd rather follow the format we've been using in the definition of long headers

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One nit on your first point:

We are creating another set of resumption information that needs to be retained by the client (we already have NEW_TOKEN token, TLS session ticket, and optionally H3 SETTINGS).

Aren't clients required to store transport parameters when doing resumption already, so this is moving it from one place they store to another?

There are servers that will want to use NEW_TOKEN and not do version greasing, so I believe this really should be optional if you put it into NEW_TOKEN, just like it would be in transport params.

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Aren't clients required to store transport parameters when doing resumption already, so this is moving it from one place they store to another?

That's a good point. I admit that the only one benefit of bundling the alternative version-salt is that the server can store and recover that from the token. That said, please let me reiterate that that is a huge benefit, as it provides the servers the capability of protecting the Initial packets from on-path intermediary in a cryptographically secure way.

Regarding if the alternative fields should be a mandatory field of a NEW_TOKEN frame, I think it's just about a matter of encoding. As I have stated in #3111 (comment), a server that is not willing to do greasing (or Initial protection) can advertise version 1 and the Initial salt of version 1 in those fields.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close

If we are to make this a mandatory requirement, under the assumption that the servers would act like that, should we also suggest that a server should issue tokens in a way that a Retry token and a NEW_TOKEN token are distinguishable from each other?

Unless we recommend servers building a token in that way, I do not think making this a MUST has benefits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close

A token SHOULD be constructed in a way that allows the server to distinguish it from tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same field.

-- Section 8.1.2

We could strengthen that to MUST if you like. It probably should be anyway.

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Aren't clients required to store transport parameters when doing resumption already, so this is moving it from one place they store to another?

That's a good point. I admit that the only one benefit of bundling the alternative version-salt is that the server can store and recover that from the token. That said, please let me reiterate that that is a huge benefit, as it provides the servers the capability of protecting the Initial packets from on-path intermediary in a cryptographically secure way.

To clarify what you're getting from this that isn't achieved in TPs is that here you're guaranteed that when the client comes back with the version and salt, they'll also specify the Token. But if these were in transport params, then the client might decide not to send the subsequently transmitted token with the version and salt or the corresponding token might not get delivered in time?

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We currently say that these tokens SHOULD be distinguishable by a server on the basis that an error in a NEW_TOKEN token is recoverable, but an error in a Retry token is fatal. I don't see why this can't be MUST. If we make it "MUST", then we can rely on this property in the design.

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@martinduke, the diagram is correct. There is no ack-eliciting packet in 0.5-RTT. The ACK of the 0.5-RTT data is bundled with the other ack-eliciting frames in the packet, that's all.

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Agreed, that'd be a useful property to rely on.

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From nobody Mon Oct 21 19:55:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759C312004F for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y0dp9zxA3ble for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7988012000F for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:55:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571712904; bh=Cf7pMmky0XtySyFuS+XTDj3fxgMvcGZThrHoSzcyw+0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xPjyDANC3wz2iu0EtQ5WX11NDrvfxUayXJGugYPoDM7XUDnIwvtu8qKvDV6blHdXt XG4JWf/ELa5lMH0aVdNa5eWbOo1gsyc9dKDiEvN4BVzR8WBmVLAQL/rC6JA4PqjKhM 7gFT4sND2BgF0VlHyUHWwkH9gq28X60LFfLJWnxo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mandatory distinction between token types (#3128) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dae6f88c825c_27dd3fa0ad6cd968141682"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:55:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dae6f88c825c_27dd3fa0ad6cd968141682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #3127. Question for reviewers: do you think it necessary to point out that this distinction doesn't need to be hidden from other entities? That's almost obvious based on the way that this results in different behaviour from servers, but should it be written down? You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3128 -- Commit Summary -- * Mandatory distinction between token types -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3128.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3128.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3128 ----==_mimepart_5dae6f88c825c_27dd3fa0ad6cd968141682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closes #3127.

Question for reviewers: do you think it necessary to point out that this distinction doesn't need to be hidden from other entities? That's almost obvious based on the way that this results in different behaviour from servers, but should it be written down?

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3128

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 21 20:00:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89427120B22 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W41F7RYG40ni for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5F82120B19 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2E42C20DD for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571713240; bh=0y6UrlcO23b8Fo8cGHvvcWtrxBs8w2xkHGMMNlgDSG0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yp/OtXij3NB90vCfAhglhgaucs3IEksRYL0MVAehGFu0J5EoHh+4Brjg49HQ6/7NJ y6kljyoid78hjc/ig0FyUmYyibd1ZWs4rGE1MRM11Lw4oK8dVx5zqGnSEQFeeux7Bf RBfMvF+Ucb7Kl2oPrLt+2odEb7G8f3MRiHRtLwT0= Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:00:40 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] [Version Ossification] Alternative version and Initial Salt should be part of NEW_TOKEN (#3111) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dae70d830639_52f23fc890ecd96448144"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 03:00:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dae70d830639_52f23fc890ecd96448144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett > To clarify what you're getting from this that isn't achieved in TPs is that here you're guaranteed that when the client comes back with the version and salt, they'll also specify the Token. But if these were in transport params, then the client might decide not to send the subsequently transmitted token with the version and salt or the corresponding token might not get delivered in time? That's correct. Unless we require the token and the alternative salt to be used together, the only source that we could use to determine the initial salt would be the version number field. That means that there can be at most 232 salts, therefore we'd see a birthday problem once we handle 216 connections. That's more than enough for ossification, but not as a way to encrypt Initial packets. If we bundle the token and the alternative salt, and require them to be used together, then the value space of the alternative salt becomes 2128 that can be unique to each connection. Note also that being possible to deduct the alternative salt from the NEW_TOKEN tokens simplifies the deployment, because servers dealing with NEW_TOKEN tokens are expected to have a way to deduce other information from the token. The complexity becomes to just adding one more information (which is the alternative salt) to that set of information, whereas we'd be required to retain a map (or define a way to a map) that lists the alternative version numbers and salts, if we do not require the token and the alternative salt to be used together. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3111#issuecomment-544787363 ----==_mimepart_5dae70d830639_52f23fc890ecd96448144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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To clarify what you're getting from this that isn't achieved in TPs is that here you're guaranteed that when the client comes back with the version and salt, they'll also specify the Token. But if these were in transport params, then the client might decide not to send the subsequently transmitted token with the version and salt or the corresponding token might not get delivered in time?

That's correct.

Unless we require the token and the alternative salt to be used together, the only source that we could use to determine the initial salt would be the version number field. That means that there can be at most 232 salts, therefore we'd see a birthday problem once we handle 216 connections. That's more than enough for ossification, but not as a way to encrypt Initial packets.

If we bundle the token and the alternative salt, and require them to be used together, then the value space of the alternative salt becomes 2128 that can be unique to each connection.

Note also that being possible to deduct the alternative salt from the NEW_TOKEN tokens simplifies the deployment, because servers dealing with NEW_TOKEN tokens are expected to have a way to deduce other information from the token. The complexity becomes to just adding one more information (which is the alternative salt) to that set of information, whereas we'd be required to retain a map (or define a way to a map) that lists the alternative version numbers and salts, if we do not require the token and the alternative salt to be used together.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3013,18 +3013,21 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
 This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
+Every ack-eliciting packet MUST be acknowledged in at least one transmitted
+ACK frame, and SHOULD typically be acknowledged in more than one ACK frame.

Sure, that could work.

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Question for reviewers: do you think it necessary to point out that this distinction doesn't need to be hidden from other entities?

Yes, I think doing so would help people understand the text. At the moment, in section 8.1.1 we merely imply that a Retry token can be in cleartext. It is easy to miss that the bit used for the distinction can be in clear.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1675,9 +1675,10 @@ one.  The client MUST NOT use the token provided in a Retry for future
 connections. Servers MAY discard any Initial packet that does not carry the
 expected token.
 
-A token SHOULD be constructed in a way that allows the server to distinguish it
-from tokens that are sent in Retry packets as they are carried in the same
-field.
+A token send in NEW_TOKEN frames MUST be constructed in a way that allows the

s/A token send/A token being sent/?

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That being said, PTAL at the text and tell me if there are any other changes I should make. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3092#issuecomment-544788847 ----==_mimepart_5dae733230893_9803ff7240cd964843b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I just synced to master and now this seems to be an editorial change, at least to me.

That being said, PTAL at the text and tell me if there are any other changes I should make.

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By giving the client a different connection ID to use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with more resources available for new connections. +If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token, Done. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3107#discussion_r337318435 ----==_mimepart_5dae753fc1ece_3cc13f9607ecd95c13159f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1623,6 +1623,20 @@ also constrained in what they can send by the limits set by the congestion
 controller.  Clients are only constrained by the congestion controller.
 
 
+### Token Construction
+
+Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames or Retry packets MUST be constructed in a way
+that allows the server to identity how it was provided to a client.  These
+tokens are carried in the same field, but require different handling from
+servers.
+
+A token MUST NOT include information that would allow values to be linked by an

I think this requirement is specific to tokens used for validating future connections?

Therefore, something like "A token issued using NEW_TOKEN frames MUST NOT ..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

I think that we're still missing the "An endpoint MUST send at least one acknowledgment for every packet it receives and successfully processes." This paragraph is mostly about max ack delay, which is fine, but it only really says that you can't excessively delay.

Sure, you could say that "never send" == "excessive delay", but you could also say that you can't delay something that never existed in the first place.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close

The server could decide it's not under heavy load and proceed with the handshake, even if the token doesn't constitute address validation. ie: The token could expire on a shorter timeline than the session ticket/etc, so 0-RTT could succeed, but address validation would fail.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1623,6 +1623,20 @@ also constrained in what they can send by the limits set by the congestion
 controller.  Clients are only constrained by the congestion controller.
 
 
+### Token Construction
+
+Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames or Retry packets MUST be constructed in a way
+that allows the server to identity how it was provided to a client.  These
+tokens are carried in the same field, but require different handling from
+servers.
+
+A token MUST NOT include information that would allow values to be linked by an

Yeah, I moved too much up.

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By giving the client a different connection ID to use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with more resources available for new connections. +If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token, +it knows the client will not accept another Retry token. It can either +proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close +({{immediate-close}}) the connection with an connection error of +INVALID_TOKEN to cause the handshake to fail quickly instead of waiting +for the client to timeout. When a client receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE +with an error of INVALID_TOKEN, it MAY create a new connection. SG, sentence removed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close
+({{immediate-close}}) the connection with an connection error of
+INVALID_TOKEN to cause the handshake to fail quickly instead of waiting
+for the client to timeout.  When a client receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+with an error of INVALID_TOKEN, it MAY create a new connection.

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By giving the client a different connection ID to use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with more resources available for new connections. +If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token, +it knows the client will not accept another Retry token. It can either +proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close I'm persuaded by Marten's comment here (which I missed at first, I think because we commented at almost the same time). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3107#discussion_r337318870 ----==_mimepart_5dae76239359_340a3fc6512cd95c1044b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close

I'm persuaded by Marten's comment here (which I missed at first, I think because we commented at almost the same time).

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However, only -ack-eliciting packets (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) trigger the sending of an ACK -frame. Packets that are not ack-eliciting are only acknowledged when an ACK -frame is sent for other reasons. +ack-eliciting packets cause an ACK frame to be sent within the maximum ack delay. Packets that are not Formatting nit: This needs to be a new line to make CircleCI happy -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3098#pullrequestreview-304950229 ----==_mimepart_5dae77d93bd44_4d653f87e6ccd9601109db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2992,9 +2993,8 @@ valid frames? -->
 ## Generating Acknowledgements {#generating-acks}
 
 Endpoints acknowledge all packets they receive and process. However, only
-ack-eliciting packets (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) trigger the sending of an ACK
-frame.  Packets that are not ack-eliciting are only acknowledged when an ACK
-frame is sent for other reasons.
+ack-eliciting packets cause an ACK frame to be sent within the maximum ack delay.  Packets that are not

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@martinthomson Ah, I see that now. Yeah, I think we need an explicit signal, which I would prefer over keeping the keys forever.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
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 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

What if you run out if space in the ACK frame?

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----==_mimepart_5dae9e6fb4f56_5a8c3fd2752cd9681191e8-- From nobody Mon Oct 21 23:38:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE5D120B0D for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:38:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HYS12GFlbgqC for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63812120B0C for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:38:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571726307; bh=KNMXSa/X2wJ03yTCCsp0EyO8nP7aUeELZgIXmcmX/e8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rkbUKxBhetEQR7S09u2HhY9/dK629Qyii3wOw493vnFxwdJikt01XJMDEGo2kIRYR hQrCB6VR46uLq4iSNovEmkbEZSPxFg0gKKGAlHqwSqloL8lphNYABmxQ67ZBuV3RVh ASsk8cW8ezEltwfxvrk6FYyly7iILV3Q+QAstRNw= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixed handshake key deadlock issue (#3093) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daea3e2b2ee7_792e3ff72b8cd9641224c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 06:38:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daea3e2b2ee7_792e3ff72b8cd9641224c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see the problem with an explicit signal. The handshake is uniquely complex already and it helps isolate that complexity. You could even say that if you can drive a handshake to completion within a timeout period, the connection is broken. An explicit signal helps deal with cases where one endpoint otherwise has nothing to send. Now it has. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3093#issuecomment-544825620 ----==_mimepart_5daea3e2b2ee7_792e3ff72b8cd9641224c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't see the problem with an explicit signal. The handshake is uniquely complex already and it helps isolate that complexity. You could even say that if you can drive a handshake to completion within a timeout period, the connection is broken. An explicit signal helps deal with cases where one endpoint otherwise has nothing to send. Now it has.

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What @kazuho points out is a problem. Keeping HS keys forever prevents the deadlock, but it does so by admitting that HS packets can be sent forever. This means after migration as well. That is something we don't consider in the spec.

@ianswett: I don't think you're right about this:

I'm arguing the client should never have unacknowledged Handshake data when it migrates, because it waits for handshake confirmation to migrate and at that point, all Handshake data should be discarded.
Handshake data is discarded when the handshake keys are dropped, not when confirmation is reached (see section 5.3 in recovery draft. Now with handshake keys forever, the client can keep retransmitting forever. And as @kazuho notes, the server can surely send keep retransmitting as well since if it hasn't reached confirmation yet.

There are a few ways to curb this... but I'm strongly inclined towards an explicit signal from both sides indicating handshake confirmation, after which migration can be initiated.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

If you send an ACK for every other received packet and drop all older acknowledgments, then you use at most 19 bytes for an ACK, probably less. I don't think that will break any limits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

@mikkelfj Even if you only ACK the last 2 packets per ACK, QUIC should work correctly. It's if packets never get acknowledged, especially consistently, there are potential problems.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

I can see this works on average - but if you opt to max out on max delay to minimize transmissions in one direction you could find you self in trouble. A MUST would then force to send more frequently than optimal whereas SHOULD would allow for occasionally dropping the ball. Dropping the ball frequently would be be bad, of course, suggesting that ACKs are not sent often enough.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

@martinthomson I worked your previous suggestion into the text, which I like better than what was there anyway.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

@mikkelfj I don't understand the issue you're concerned about. One can fit an ACK of any two packets into a datagram, which is the minimum requirement of this text. Yes, you could set a very large max_ack_delay, which would cause enormously long PTO timeouts and be very bad for performance in most cases.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,9 +3007,6 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
-An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
-This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
-
 An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting

I don't want to make this a hard argument, I'm just slightly concerned. Maybe it is a non-issue, or maybe potential issues are shadowed by other concerns such as PTO. Some devices might not want to fire up a transmitter radio more often than necessary. But generally I'm just concerned with a MUST that cannot be enforced or fully controlled - you can easily claim it works under usual conditions but it might not under abnormal conditions. A SHOULD would make it possible to drop packets under those a conditions. A MUST would either have to make assumptions that are hard to prove correct, or have complex code to handle edge case where ACK's queue op, or violate the MUST. I suspect most implementations would go for the latter and hope they don't violate by sending ACK's often enough.

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Generally looks good, but I don't think we can have an absolute requirement that every ack-eliciting packet is acknowledged.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

I think I agree with @mikkelfj that MUST might not be the right word here. It's obviously unenforceable for one. But also, I think there are valid reasons where a packet won't be acknowledged. For one, we have a memory limit for the data structure we use to keep track of packets that need to be acknowledged. At a high enough rate, with enough (random?) packet loss you could have enough gaps to hit that limit. In that case, we start forgetting older packet numbers, and will never end up acknowledging them.

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The Push ID can be 2^62 - 1 if the client doesn't care how many more pushes the server wants to initiate before graceful shutdown. It can be a smaller value if the client wishes to limit the pushes. Fixes #2632 From nobody Tue Oct 22 09:15:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B981208C3 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s8huwg37Zjtd for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 728AD120804 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:15:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571760924; bh=ishHcCYUcQzaGIg9l1JbxciXLn+tfDo1REaLmt1LK8o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rWDohkYh9w1OPREISEJDmPIJYBSrDdwDveUh7MLSh6bsNlCBpUetXOs3yp3dGHcmv RRTzU9JcjajmMoU/xTxnBwFP11jag4poQ/W7vfvlLE+t6FnO0qgRBxDUavoNIqv5hO ESYyTdpBeSLVJj4WTfpdDJLXGGeetrf7O0Kby44U= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clients can send GOAWAY too (#3129) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daf2b1cb4c78_50e43fe78eecd9601885d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:15:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daf2b1cb4c78_50e43fe78eecd9601885d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A client initiated GOAWAY contains a Push ID. The Push ID can be 2^62 - 1 if the client doesn't care how many more pushes the server wants to initiate before graceful shutdown. It can be a smaller value if the client wishes to limit the pushes. Fixes #2632 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129 -- Commit Summary -- * Clients can send GOAWAY too -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (128) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129 ----==_mimepart_5daf2b1cb4c78_50e43fe78eecd9601885d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A client initiated GOAWAY contains a Push ID. The Push ID can be 2^62 - 1 if the client doesn't care how many more pushes the server wants to initiate before graceful shutdown. It can be a smaller value if the client wishes to limit the pushes.

Fixes #2632

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 22 10:52:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73091200BA for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnedftUFkeiZ for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 10:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D64E1200B9 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 10:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 10:52:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571766758; bh=pPfBrwHxUq/RqyjXkvu2jWwZ+TkWJf+IyvtyiNeOu0E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HtbuI8ttHwfKKrainMwHAc271f8NWdP/HOhmKUYJN2RSJbo0xRX54vEwo1N65MiA1 sL+70/WBgQhS1nUWU1NXriA9e6wWC53jlO7rYyM0L9yHPpwLcbTlBIXLWFZZVdW+hU 4GYG/YJXtSJ4PIfpMxofY04vVIga1NFibXv/JpMk= From: Rui Paulo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TIMEOUT CONNECTION_CLOSE error (#3126) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daf41e67b30c_3d333f9ea1ccd95c5551ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rpaulo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 17:52:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daf41e67b30c_3d333f9ea1ccd95c5551ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I think it could help identify problems when the link is asymmetrically broken and you don't have access to the state of the server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson I think it could help identify problems when the link is asymmetrically broken and you don't have access to the state of the server.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data. The server MUST include all settings which differ from -their default values. If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS -frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was -previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a -connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR. +their default values. If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS +frame which reduces setting the client understands, this MUST be treated as a reduces "a" setting. #2972 switched to using the term "compatible" up at lines 1215-1216, including a definition of the term; perhaps using "incompatible" instead of "reduces" here as well would help? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its
 SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST
 NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client
 with its 0-RTT data.  The server MUST include all settings which differ from
-their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS
-frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was
-previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.
+their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS
+frame which reduces setting the client understands, this MUST be treated as a

reduces "a" setting. #2972 switched to using the term "compatible" up at lines 1215-1216, including a definition of the term; perhaps using "incompatible" instead of "reduces" here as well would help?

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I think this is clearer. Commit: 3801ebda3af7418505f1aed87138ae72a3178829 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3801ebda3af7418505f1aed87138ae72a3178829 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-20 (Fri, 20 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More UDP Commit: 6cfcbe26385f17072ccd330aea619f65bf3bdcb4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6cfcbe26385f17072ccd330aea619f65bf3bdcb4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-21 (Sat, 21 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Closes #3053 too Commit: 58ab6f15c58adbc6c7c69492b4008f02e3ad8999 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/58ab6f15c58adbc6c7c69492b4008f02e3ad8999 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-22 (Tue, 22 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3051 from quicwg/ianswett-1200-payloads Clients send datagrams with 1200 byte payloads Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9650f850cb6c...58ab6f15c58a From nobody Tue Oct 22 15:20:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE351200FD for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J8rzRt_8MTea for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03718120170 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:20:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:20:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571782843; bh=17/aL5O8SIdc58YfLSdn85NVJY4yQNB+C2kMKXQJAd8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vUWyPj/OhEHGAPeTbf1aAS3pf31oxLS3tKSBaaEzI9Fw2XnEYJb+HaMBjL2a3mW/Y /aFBwulDhcGZygyRE6AHO99DiNehLLLZhd8t1E+mVYnqttiFqIfDGFT1Zo6iy2kufq xb4NUz+I/R8XpRjrTmOZR2P/BjKb2GZYdlUuxv8o= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clients send datagrams with 1200 byte payloads (#3051) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daf80bb463f3_3cd73feb6c2cd96c89645"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:20:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daf80bb463f3_3cd73feb6c2cd96c89645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #3051 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixed by #2928.

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Closed #2926.

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I think that we already concluded this in #3011.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:29:59 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/early_response Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 19d62795d2cc4ba0b10fa698ee33faf33db53e62 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/19d62795d2cc4ba0b10fa698ee33faf33db53e62 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-10-22 (Tue, 22 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Require clients to keep sending if they want to keep receiving From nobody Tue Oct 22 15:30:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7CA12012C for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kF1xF5moS2eZ for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68ACA12011E for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F72EA0A97 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:30:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571783427; bh=77+juqQKLawlN7RBj6n2XYgSI2UA804CEcEnmeyIgts=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=GtP1eY6wybebUAPFT1Es7qw7b+SaZv4jGrBtfqxSn8TAG1Z1E8iEx7PfuvWHSZZuy ibR/7+EO3Dtt+eKxv8oEvVcJErIsbQSZi9ce9+9G3weiWbmB59NmMYosVWaxa0GZDc u3kO6SkZkuQe0EYFUp3+AGhca6nBZfetGl2UwREc= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:30:27 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5cc2ae: Script updating gh-pages from 19d62795. 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Closed #2237.

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Decided not to do this.

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Closed #2745.

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Does it matter if the the STOP_SENDING error code is something other than EARLY RESPONSE?

Originally posted by @RyanAtGoogle in #2963 (comment)

Moving this out to a separate issue to avoid complicating #3123; my inclination is to propose the following rules:

  • When a STOP_SENDING is received, if the error code has semantics in the context in which you received it, follow the semantics.
  • If the error code has no semantics in that context (or at all), then take no action (other than resetting the stream, as required by the frame)
  • If resetting your request stream causes the server to be unable to generate a response, it will reset its stream. If it sends a complete response, the server clearly got everything it needed; the response is usable.
  • If a response stream is reset after all bytes have been received, the response remains usable; no takebacks.

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----==_mimepart_5daf84eebf830_2f753fddf12cd96811047b4-- From nobody Tue Oct 22 15:42:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17C12012C for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:41:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ER3qVfGh4NW6 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7244120122 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D64B8C0D02 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:41:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571784117; bh=JAEuHOcSNTb/iBxWbTPWGHiOz77EjdYU3i4QX9eWpm8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Exhu+pZFwCGjwLzxkJbGH8Icq2j0BIjhi9973LHRFG2S1iIWOjqG3cx4pyIqt+we+ MSJgbpryBgi0bX0Bu4mT2rFmR/tuDUimIoAhDxhrQlEmcCso+EyWhhT7hE4o/deWCC E+Xl1Co8rwlziDHUq+/5db4Y9srGlj4zQTpiCbug= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 15:41:56 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idle Timer Can Fire Even with Outstanding Data to Send (#2744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daf85b4f3587_460b3f7f20acd9681097029"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 22:41:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daf85b4f3587_460b3f7f20acd9681097029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sending a BLOCKED frame repeatedly, maybe on exponential backoff, makes sense to me. @nibanks any interest in writing a PR for this one? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2744#issuecomment-545186746 ----==_mimepart_5daf85b4f3587_460b3f7f20acd9681097029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Sending a BLOCKED frame repeatedly, maybe on exponential backoff, makes sense to me. @nibanks any interest in writing a PR for this one?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1229,10 +1229,13 @@ A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different settings in its
 SETTINGS frame. If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, its SETTINGS frame MUST
 NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client
 with its 0-RTT data.  The server MUST include all settings which differ from
-their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT, but then sends a SETTINGS
-frame which reduces a setting the client understands or omits a value that was
-previously specified to have a non-default value, this MUST be treated as a
-connection error of type HTTP_SETTINGS_ERROR.
+their default values.  If a server accepts 0-RTT but then sends a SETTINGS
+frame which reduces setting the client understands, this MUST be treated as a

Thanks for catching the missing "a" in "reduces a setting" (although it's moot now that I've reworded this).

I like using the term "compatible" instead of reduces, since it avoids this odd edge case and imo is more specific.

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I could definitely write a PR. We implement exactly this. I would argue though that it's not exponential. It's immediate and will go forever. The app has data to send. The connection is not idle, and should never idle out in this scenario. It's the app's responsibility to time out, if their protocol dictates as such (which it might not, if they expect to be blocked while a long running operation is processed).

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----==_mimepart_5daf8a6521278_5c273f940f2cd96c397ec-- From nobody Tue Oct 22 16:36:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B18120122 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9njvKA8MBb1B for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20E4312006A for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264DBA0D79 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:36:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571787411; bh=uZLhgoRAUzMMVwUnTMP6DK/G+wot5YHQw+wkMMbrvLY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VRy7W0P2rUWP/sBWhTetzMRKRVD5jxs+pSsJK9SsBtM3l0BpT0KAsmykgrnAKOCZk 7WcF9z9XHcph08v7yHhVVi8IpIgDbCfWlf8Zv5i3QdMZD8zm66IL/Ky2Tv1t07x/Kh r9i8Nitw+sbKJbOV2p1yfqhRs2OZj+D+FKnL2SWY= Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 16:36:51 -0700 From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Improve language on blocking entries. (#3131) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5daf929317087_366e3fa2b86cd960160016"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 23:36:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5daf929317087_366e3fa2b86cd960160016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove "insertion has been acknowledged" phrase to avoid confusion between Header Acknowledgement instructions implicitly acknowledging encoder stream instructions and explicitly acknowledging header blocks. Use Known Received Count instead. Clarify that references on the encoder stream do not block an entry from eviction. Trivial as it is, I overlooked this at first, and added quite some unnecessary complexity that was eventually removed at https://quiche.googlesource.com/quiche/+/b09d44167c543b80b2c27408dd1f9df3b07c9741. My motivation here is to help future implementers to avoid this pitfall. Merge redundant Reference Tracking section into Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions. Change style of "Note" at end of section for consistency. There were already four sentences starting with "Note that" throughout the draft before this PR (now there are six), but no other "Note:" markdown. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131 -- Commit Summary -- * Improve language on blocking entries. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (28) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131 ----==_mimepart_5daf929317087_366e3fa2b86cd960160016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Remove "insertion has been acknowledged" phrase to avoid confusion
between Header Acknowledgement instructions implicitly acknowledging
encoder stream instructions and explicitly acknowledging header blocks.
Use Known Received Count instead.

Clarify that references on the encoder stream do not block an entry from
eviction. Trivial as it is, I overlooked this at first, and added quite
some unnecessary complexity that was eventually removed at
https://quiche.googlesource.com/quiche/+/b09d44167c543b80b2c27408dd1f9df3b07c9741.
My motivation here is to help future implementers to avoid this pitfall.

Merge redundant Reference Tracking section into Blocked Dynamic Table
Insertions.

Change style of "Note" at end of section for consistency. There were
already four sentences starting with "Note that" throughout the draft
before this PR (now there are six), but no other "Note:" markdown.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131

Commit Summary

  • Improve language on blocking entries.

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Fixes issue 3082.

This PR fixes the race condition and clarifies that both endpoints must
keep track of the Known Received Count.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3132

Commit Summary

  • Fix bug in Insert Count Increment description.

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This was inspired by the comment by afrind at
#2942 (comment).

For each representation, uniformly

  • use the word "representation" in the first sentence;
  • use the word "identifies" if it's a verbatim entry; "encodes" otherwise;
  • identify relative versus post-base indexing in the first sentence;
  • move drawing right after first sentence;
  • use consistent language describing binary format.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3133

Commit Summary

  • Make language of representations consistent.

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Patch Links:

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This was suggested by dtikhonov at
https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2942/files/11edccf6ed3697ba785578712b54a42051bb090d#r337177688.

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  • s/up to/up to and including/ for clarity.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

We have a memory limit too, but that doesn't mean that we don't send acknowledgments. We just send packets more often as a result.

As for untestable, that's true for a bunch of things we require. The point is to require actions that produce an interoperable, functional protocol. In the general case, ignoring this requirement would be bad. At insane incoming packet rates, maybe this breaks down, and that's probably not ideal, but I find it hard to believe that you can't generate enough packets outbound to acknowledge every inbound packet at least once. Even if you only receive every other packet, you are only spending two bytes per packet to acknowledge them. That's almost a 600:1 advantage to the receiver.

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The intention of that text used to be to prevent peers from getting stuck in an ACK-loop, but now the text says: > An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet. Among others, this means that once an endpoint receives a non-ack-eliciting packet, it's not allowed to send a packet containing only PADDING. This would be valuable for defeating traffic analysis. While it would be possible to hack your way out of this by sending a PING + PADDING packet, I'm not sure if this was the intention of #3104. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3135 ----==_mimepart_5dafb86daaa21_21e03faca82cd9601416a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#3104 changed the rules regarding what kind of packet an endpoint is allowed to send after receiving a non-ack-eliciting packet. The intention of that text used to be to prevent peers from getting stuck in an ACK-loop, but now the text says:

An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet.

Among others, this means that once an endpoint receives a non-ack-eliciting packet, it's not allowed to send a packet containing only PADDING. This would be valuable for defeating traffic analysis. While it would be possible to hack your way out of this by sending a PING + PADDING packet, I'm not sure if this was the intention of #3104.

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This issue should have been closed by #3104.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

I think the biggest problem is if the peer assumes a packet was not processed if it eventually concludes it was not ACK'ed. That could lead to deadlocks or double spending in some poor transactional design.

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This is my preferred option, but I might reword it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3181,9 +3181,10 @@ containing that information is acknowledged.
   unless the endpoint has sent a RESET_STREAM for that stream.  Once an endpoint
   sends a RESET_STREAM frame, no further STREAM frames are needed.
 
-* The most recent set of acknowledgments are sent in ACK frames.  An ACK frame
-  SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in
-  {{sending-ack-frames}}.
+* ACK frames are sent containing the most recent set of acknowledgements and
+  Ack Delay, as described in {{sending-ack-frames}}. Retransmitting an old ACK
+  frame with stale Ack Delay can cause the peer to generate an inflated RTT
+  sample.

Here's my alternative:

ACK frames always contain an acknowledgement for the highest packet number that has been processed and an Ack Delay that is updated to the time that the packet is sent. Note that delaying the transmission of packets containing ACK frames or sending copies of old ACK frames will cause problems for a peer, including inflated RTT estimates or unnecessary disabling of ECN.

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I prefer #3049.

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(#2942) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db04f49e0759_6b5e3fe55eecd9601139f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 13:02:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db04f49e0759_6b5e3fe55eecd9601139f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bencebeky commented on this pull request. > @@ -952,10 +954,8 @@ entry. ### Indexed Header Field -An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static -table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the -decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541]. - +An indexed header field instruction identifies an entry in either the static Created issue #3133 as the "another consistency pass". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -952,10 +954,8 @@ entry.
 
 ### Indexed Header Field
 
-An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static
-table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the
-decoded header list, as described in Section 3.2 of [RFC7541].
-<!-- is the 7541 reference still helpful here -->
+An indexed header field instruction identifies an entry in either the static

Created issue #3133 as the "another consistency pass".

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -587,8 +585,10 @@ d = count of entries dropped
 ### Prefixed Integers
 
 The prefixed integer from Section 5.1 of [RFC7541] is used heavily throughout
-this document.  The format from [RFC7541] is used unmodified.  QPACK
-implementations MUST be able to decode integers up to 62 bits long.
+this document.  The format from [RFC7541] is used unmodified.  Note, however,
+that QPACK uses some prefix sizes not actually used in HPACK.
+
+QPACK implementations MUST be able to decode integers up to 62 bits long.

Created issue #3134

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

An acknowledgement indicates a packet was received and processed. It makes no claim that other packets are never processed. This is true throughout the QUIC design.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

The MUST de facto makes that claim, although timing can make it hard to decide.

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To me, the key phrase here is 'in response to'. If you want to send PADDING for some other reason and the congestion controller allows it, then you can send it.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Required Operations on Streams
+
+There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when
+interacting with QUIC streams.  This document does not specify an API, but
+any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform
+the operations described in this section on a QUIC stream.
+
+On the sending part of a stream, application protocols need to be able to:
+
+- write data, understanding when stream flow control credit
+  ({{data-flow-control}}) has successfully been reserved to send the written
+  data
+- end the stream (clean termination), resulting in a STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-stream}}) with the FIN bit set; and
+- reset the stream (abrupt termination), resulting in a RESET_STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-reset-stream}}), even if the stream was already ended.

"End the stream" was the previous bullet, so I think it's reasonably clear what "already ended" should mean in this context. If you look at the sending stream states, this reflects the possibility to transition from "Data Sent" (stream has ended) to "Reset Sent" by sending a RESET_STREAM.

Based on the state diagram, if an implementation was already in the "Data Recvd" state, they wouldn't send a RESET_STREAM, as they're already in a terminal state. Surfacing this through the API would be a reasonable choice. Likewise, there's no path from "Reset Sent" or "Reset Recvd" to "Data Sent"; I think attempting to write to or close a reset stream will always be an error.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1101,6 +1132,41 @@ suggested structure:
 -->
 
 
+## Required Operations on Connections
+
+There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when
+interacting with the QUIC transport.  This document does not specify an API, but
+any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform
+the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
+
+When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
+- enable 0-RTT; and
+- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server.

An application needs to be able to control whether 0-RTT is offered; you're correct that this phrasing implies that 0-RTT support is mandatory, which wasn't the intention.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
+- enable 0-RTT; and
+- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server.
+
+When implementing the server role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in
+  {{handshake}};
+- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS
+  resumption ticket sent to the client; and
+- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the
+  client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that
+  information.

That seems like a worthwhile feature for a QUIC implementation to expose, but doesn't seem like one we should mandate every QUIC implementation must expose.

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----==_mimepart_5db096857646b_3bd03fd81cccd95c12235e-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 11:07:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45528120089 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id scK_svslMCqq for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 900D512008C for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:07:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571854071; bh=E24em7sfwYE3s76XeHLlTrE7K8bkA73aqpBvt9aD0xs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LhdpGPWXbDizpve7uEJeRfPDvY4VEe3Ihputi9i8a0X5nrGYpj6pD0M9etwiEG/wA gY6gW8+WNamsUEXtlBKtAN++yx56Tl7FdrkmTeDdOejfFTdeXZBiewn7iXtJcRkSLA i6+JsWrtr3PtSN8TJrWyyGJ8MbLu4aKp4jlF2tfQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define terms for application actions (#2857) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db096f79a57c_2c2f3fe4800cd95c9642f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:07:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db096f79a57c_2c2f3fe4800cd95c9642f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > + +- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in + {{handshake}}; +- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS + resumption ticket sent to the client; and +- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the + client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that + information. + +In either role, applications need to be able to: + +- configure minimum values for the initial number of permitted streams of each + type, as communicated in the transport parameters ({{transport-parameters}}); +- control resource allocation of various types, including flow control and the + number of permitted streams of each type; +- identify whether the handshake has completed successfully or is still ongoing The phrases "handshake completes," "handshake is complete," "handshake has completed," etc. occur throughout the document. If you believe that there can be no such concept, please open a separate issue and explain in detail. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2857#discussion_r338199837 ----==_mimepart_5db096f79a57c_2c2f3fe4800cd95c9642f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in
+  {{handshake}};
+- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS
+  resumption ticket sent to the client; and
+- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the
+  client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that
+  information.
+
+In either role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- configure minimum values for the initial number of permitted streams of each
+  type, as communicated in the transport parameters ({{transport-parameters}});
+- control resource allocation of various types, including flow control and the
+  number of permitted streams of each type;
+- identify whether the handshake has completed successfully or is still ongoing

The phrases "handshake completes," "handshake is complete," "handshake has completed," etc. occur throughout the document. If you believe that there can be no such concept, please open a separate issue and explain in detail.

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In Section 5.4, we say that one of the required operations on a connection is "enable 0-RTT".

@mikkelfj asks:

But why does an application need to be able to enable 0-RTT? Isn't 0-RTT optional at transport level, and more so at the app level?

The current text implies that implementations are required to support 0-RTT, which is not the case. It would be more correct to say that applications must be able to prevent early data from being offered on a connection, even if the implementation supports it.

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Alternately, the server section prefaces certain bullets with "If Early Data is supported, ...." That formulation might be used here as well.

Also, this section uses "0-RTT" in the client piece but "Early Data" in the server piece. Should be consistent.

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----==_mimepart_5db098ae838c3_50683fd76f0cd95c285272-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 11:22:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F4A12090C for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XDzVlye8wker for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2FB1200E9 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459D3660009 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571854969; bh=l+7oMFOXvp9SfyQwyaJsyZP4l4wPOob55MARSOKzd20=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1K0L3mEV7ZLONefsCQ3RPnazZPEDbX9Ho3CcJzIORFs40HBl1upieY69L3pVRrYU+ FCxGIcvBBurZfWLaHFKCt6sMoIyZG/HzIjz7qKe03AsgGRVKz5lUmSd8sxK/d4Yb7q qoRswxsWFiSq+mH3EA20bR1qPUCUmil+FqnUUl6I= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:22:49 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db09a7937105_1f0e3fc0a70cd9689086"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:22:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db09a7937105_1f0e3fc0a70cd9689086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a fair point that when our structures are no longer 32-bit-aligned, the graphics are somewhat misleading. However, for many of the frames, they're still more useful as a mental model than a C struct style, at least for many readers. We've adopted conventions to indicate variable-sized fields; if you see places those aren't used properly, please flag them. We previously had a principle that we don't illustrate frames/objects that contain a single varint. The "inconsistency" resulted in them being added. Ultimately, this is a question of editorial style and input on what readers find useful. Your feedback is welcome and will be considered. (I'll also note that this seems to oppose the discussion about moving the transport params from TLS-style description language to wire-frames.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3115#issuecomment-545574047 ----==_mimepart_5db09a7937105_1f0e3fc0a70cd9689086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's a fair point that when our structures are no longer 32-bit-aligned, the graphics are somewhat misleading. However, for many of the frames, they're still more useful as a mental model than a C struct style, at least for many readers. We've adopted conventions to indicate variable-sized fields; if you see places those aren't used properly, please flag them.

We previously had a principle that we don't illustrate frames/objects that contain a single varint. The "inconsistency" resulted in them being added. Ultimately, this is a question of editorial style and input on what readers find useful. Your feedback is welcome and will be considered.

(I'll also note that this seems to oppose the discussion about moving the transport params from TLS-style description language to wire-frames.)

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----==_mimepart_5db09a7937105_1f0e3fc0a70cd9689086-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 11:41:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB96120D3D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:41:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fbaWQScWqCri for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45F3D120D20 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA60A261650 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:41:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571856092; bh=hWvAdfZbkFD4sDOqHt+Wb1T+5jsMu1879Poj8MSlTYs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YYI7iQ6klXvejVeqwSUNMrZSGmGCZS4fY1d/dfQJB0HwF/KSRhbYUGFm1NAuzLb3O yn6ydp6gzKjxDk4PUUgwYeRuZ/XIHnO6s7SM11Wa8GX7o1pORwwl+pnJasAaE0B7e9 5sxiPPZew8+KIEw8vsqPVGyw7dV8qLp9gMG1s+c0= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 11:41:32 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] H3 GOAWAY should be symmetric and cover bidi and uni streams (#2632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db09edc759d9_455a3f96862cd95c131580"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 18:41:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db09edc759d9_455a3f96862cd95c131580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #3129 makes a subtle but major change to the semantics, and I think we need to carefully consider whether that's something we want. We were conflating these two models during interim discussion, and I don't think we're clear on our direction yet. Instead of "Clients MUST NOT send new requests on the connection after receiving GOAWAY", we now have "Endpoints MUST NOT initiate new requests or pushes on the connection **with an identifier greater than or equal to the smallest identifier received in a GOAWAY frame.**" In other words, GOAWAY(`max_varint`) has changed from meaning "I'll service your in-flight requests, but don't make any new ones" to a no-op, since the client couldn't have initiated such a request anyway. I understand that this might be a desirable pattern in the server-to-client direction, where certain use patterns consider the set of pushes part of the fulfillment of the client's request, and the client actively wants the server to continue initiating pushes until the request is complete. This doesn't seem a wise semantic to bring to the client-to-server direction. In HTTP/2, the recipient of the GOAWAY was prohibited from initiating any more activity (requests or pushes) regardless of the value in the frame. My first preference is to preserve that, and actually have the same semantics as HTTP/2. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-545581410 ----==_mimepart_5db09edc759d9_455a3f96862cd95c131580 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#3129 makes a subtle but major change to the semantics, and I think we need to carefully consider whether that's something we want. We were conflating these two models during interim discussion, and I don't think we're clear on our direction yet.

Instead of "Clients MUST NOT send new requests on the connection after receiving GOAWAY", we now have "Endpoints MUST NOT initiate new requests or pushes on the connection with an identifier greater than or equal to the smallest identifier received in a GOAWAY frame." In other words, GOAWAY(max_varint) has changed from meaning "I'll service your in-flight requests, but don't make any new ones" to a no-op, since the client couldn't have initiated such a request anyway.

I understand that this might be a desirable pattern in the server-to-client direction, where certain use patterns consider the set of pushes part of the fulfillment of the client's request, and the client actively wants the server to continue initiating pushes until the request is complete. This doesn't seem a wise semantic to bring to the client-to-server direction.

In HTTP/2, the recipient of the GOAWAY was prohibited from initiating any more activity (requests or pushes) regardless of the value in the frame. My first preference is to preserve that, and actually have the same semantics as HTTP/2.

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I agree with @MikeBishop that's a useful semantic we should preserve in HTTP/3.

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While I share everyone's dismay, discussion about whether this is the right technical decision belongs on the issue, not the PR. See you on #2863.

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I think Mike articulated a point I was trying to make on Slack but in a much better way. +1.

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Are we doing #2944 here or not?

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This document does not specify an API, but +any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform +the operations described in this section on a QUIC stream. + +On the sending part of a stream, application protocols need to be able to: + +- write data, understanding when stream flow control credit + ({{data-flow-control}}) has successfully been reserved to send the written + data +- end the stream (clean termination), resulting in a STREAM frame + ({{frame-stream}}) with the FIN bit set; and +- reset the stream (abrupt termination), resulting in a RESET_STREAM frame + ({{frame-reset-stream}}), even if the stream was already ended. So you mean to say that an application should be able to reset a stream at an arbitrary point after the stream has sent a FIN bit? If so, I don't think that is a good idea. In my view that would be an API error of invalid handle or invalid handle state. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Required Operations on Streams
+
+There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when
+interacting with QUIC streams.  This document does not specify an API, but
+any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform
+the operations described in this section on a QUIC stream.
+
+On the sending part of a stream, application protocols need to be able to:
+
+- write data, understanding when stream flow control credit
+  ({{data-flow-control}}) has successfully been reserved to send the written
+  data
+- end the stream (clean termination), resulting in a STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-stream}}) with the FIN bit set; and
+- reset the stream (abrupt termination), resulting in a RESET_STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-reset-stream}}), even if the stream was already ended.

So you mean to say that an application should be able to reset a stream at an arbitrary point after the stream has sent a FIN bit? If so, I don't think that is a good idea. In my view that would be an API error of invalid handle or invalid handle state. It's one thing to allow races between RESET and FIN but to require it forever is different.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
+- enable 0-RTT; and
+- be informed when 0-RTT has been accepted or rejected by a server.
+
+When implementing the server role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in
+  {{handshake}};
+- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS
+  resumption ticket sent to the client; and
+- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the
+  client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that
+  information.

I can agree to that.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+- listen for incoming connections, which prepares for the exchange described in
+  {{handshake}};
+- if Early Data is supported, embed application-controlled data in the TLS
+  resumption ticket sent to the client; and
+- if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the
+  client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that
+  information.
+
+In either role, applications need to be able to:
+
+- configure minimum values for the initial number of permitted streams of each
+  type, as communicated in the transport parameters ({{transport-parameters}});
+- control resource allocation of various types, including flow control and the
+  number of permitted streams of each type;
+- identify whether the handshake has completed successfully or is still ongoing

I'm not objecting to this term being defined, but I do suspect there is an issue if the now infamous PR #3121 gets merged. But, as it hasn't yet, and there is pushback, I'll see where it goes. Defining exactly what is, or might be, wrong requires a deep analysis because one peer can consider a handshake complete without the other peer agreeing, and sometimes that might be fine while in other cases not so much, like path migration.

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(#3130) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db0b495d9a1_16003fe9190cd9641329cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:14:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db0b495d9a1_16003fe9190cd9641329cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several of these are already in the draft: > Clients MUST NOT discard complete responses as a result of having their request terminated abruptly, though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for other reasons. > If a client stream terminates without enough of the HTTP message to provide a complete response, the server SHOULD abort its response with the error code H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE. > If a stream is cancelled after receiving a complete response, the client MAY ignore the cancellation and use the response. Perhaps the clarification that's needed is to keep the "MAY abort reading," but separately say that "H3_EARLY_RESPONSE SHOULD be used as the error code"? (Which does raise the question of whether it needs to be a separate error code from H3_NO_ERROR....) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3130#issuecomment-545616558 ----==_mimepart_5db0b495d9a1_16003fe9190cd9641329cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Several of these are already in the draft:

Clients MUST NOT discard complete responses as a result of having their request terminated abruptly, though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for other reasons.

If a client stream terminates without enough of the HTTP message to provide a complete response, the server SHOULD abort its response with the error code H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE.

If a stream is cancelled after receiving a complete response, the client MAY ignore the cancellation and use the response.

Perhaps the clarification that's needed is to keep the "MAY abort reading," but separately say that "H3_EARLY_RESPONSE SHOULD be used as the error code"? (Which does raise the question of whether it needs to be a separate error code from H3_NO_ERROR....)

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The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. + +The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of +AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=RFC5116}} used with the following inputs: + +- The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero. +- The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero. +- The plaintext is empty. +- The associated data is the contents of the Retry Pseudo-Packet, as described I'd use a different verb than "described" when referencing the figure. We've tried to follow the rule that illustrations aren't normative, they're just helpful illustrations of what the text says. > +| Version (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| DCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| SCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Source Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Retry Token (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ +{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"} + +The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking @martinthomson is the editor of both documents, so I'd say he gets to hold the baton here. > @@ -2736,7 +2736,7 @@ available. ## Protected Packets {#packet-protected} -All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authenticated +All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation packets use authenticated encryption with additional data (AEAD) {{!RFC5116}} to provide confidentiality They're not encrypted, so kind of by definition.... > @@ -4111,37 +4111,31 @@ wishes to perform a retry (see {{validate-handshake}}). +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source Connection ID (0..160) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| ODCID Len (8) | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Original Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Retry Token (*) ... We have a convention of having the final variable-length field have an implicit length. It reduces the possibility of "impossible" packets. I'm inclined to keep the PR as-is. > @@ -4163,10 +4157,10 @@ A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection attempt. After the client has received and processed an Initial or Retry packet from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent Retry packets that it receives. -Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destination -Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID from its -Initial packet. This prevents an off-path attacker from injecting a Retry -packet. +Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retry Integrity Tag cannot be +validated, see the Retry Packet Integrity section of {{QUIC-TLS}}. This +mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject a Retry packet, and protects ```suggestion mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject a Retry packet and protects ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#pullrequestreview-306162699 ----==_mimepart_5db0b6b980036_430e3ff48d2cd9601466fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...=0D
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We have a convention of having the final variable-length field have an= implicit length. It reduces the possibility of "impossible" packets. I= 'm inclined to keep the PR as-is.

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@rpaulo this is an editorial PR that does not change any wire encoding. We are not doing #2944 here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}
+
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates
+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.
+
+The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of
+AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=RFC5116}} used with the following inputs:
+
+- The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero.
+- The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero.
+- The plaintext is empty.
+- The associated data is the contents of the Retry Pseudo-Packet, as described

Fine by me. Can you suggest another verb?

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I would say that copying NEW_TOKEN (not just the version+salt+2bits) would be the way to go. We might need to identify the base version as well though to prevent cross-version errors, though that identification might be implicit.

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As suggested by @martinthomson in #3066

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  • Remove the TLP citation because it's in RACK

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Closes #3136.

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(#2909) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db0ce6067d3c_1ba43f7e3cecd96c12526c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:04:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db0ce6067d3c_1ba43f7e3cecd96c12526c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We've summarized some discussion for these above, but to go through the r= esolution plan for concrete changes for each one:=0D =0D ----=0D =0D > Section 9.4 of draft-ietf-quic-transport :=0D > The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the=0D > old path. Packets sent on the old path SHOULD NOT contribute to=0D > congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path.=0D > GF: That would be fine IF the new path were a separate CC context, whic= h I am not yet clear whether it is, read on:=0D =0D The intent here was that either (a) you only ever have a singe CC context= and you reset it for each path, or (b) you have a CC context for each pa= th, in which case each context is strongly tied to a path and you don't n= eed to reset anything. We require that everyone does at least (a), while = not preventing folks who want to do extra work for a potential performanc= e gain from doing (b).=0D =0D Addressing this in a PR:=0D ```=0D Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or= =0D RTT estimation for the new path.=0D ```=0D They *can* contribute to the CC/RTT estimation for the old path if it's s= till around and you're willing to maintain that state, which is why this = (mistakenly) was a SHOULD.=0D =0D ----=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > Section 9.4 of draft-ietf-quic-transport :=0D > On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint=0D > SHOULD immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip=0D > time estimator for the new path.=0D > GF: Why not MUST? - because I think this is a new path, I think it can = only be should if something > can confirm this is the same set of network= -devices and classifiers on the path. I don't know how > you would know t= hat, and I don't like the guess.=0D > =E2=80=94=0D =0D Yes, this should be a MUST, because the CC/RTT for that path has to be re= set for a new address, either by making a new one for the new path and ke= eping the old one around for the old path, or by resetting your single on= e.=0D =0D This is now a MUST in the current editor's copy.=0D =0D ----=0D > draft-ietf-quic-transport :=0D > For instance, a change in the client's port=0D > number is likely indicative of a rebinding in a middlebox and not a=0D > complete change in path.=0D > GF: So. maybe this is the guess, and I don't believe it! In a world of = ECMP and other methods, this > needs to be treated as a potential change = of path.=0D > =E2=80=94=0D =0D A very good point! This is now:=0D ```=0D For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in=0D only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning t= hat the=0D new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However= , this=0D determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the=0D= congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the = new=0D path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using p= revious=0D values on a new path.=0D ```=0D =0D This seems to address the need for caution here.=0D =0D ----=0D > Section 9.4 of draft-ietf-quic-transport:=0D > While multiple paths might be used during connection migration, a=0D > single congestion control context and a single loss recovery context=0D= > (as described in [QUIC-RECOVERY]) may be adequate.=0D > GF: Well it could if the paths WERE known to be identical, but how woul= d an endpoint guarantee that? Section 9.2 of QUIC transport seems to sugg= est the CC is reset for the new path, which I would agree with, but which= part of QUIC recovery says that?=0D > =E2=80=94=0D =0D This is intended to say that you aren't required to maintain additional p= er-path state, it's adequate to reset it for each path.=0D =0D In recovery, the section entitled "Handshakes and New Paths" discusses in= itial values to use on a new path. In general, recovery seems to be an in= stance of CC/LR, so if transport instructed you to toss out the old one a= nd make a new one, you'd be using initial values, etc. as specified in re= covery.=0D =0D Transport does *require* that you reset CC/RTT a few paragraphs above (as= noted in your previous comment):=0D ```=0D On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST=0D immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator= for=0D the new path to initial values (see Sections A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVE= RY}})=0D unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time esti= mate is=0D valid for the new path.=0D ```=0D =0D ----=0D > draft-ietf-quic-recovery:=0D > For instance, an=0D > endpoint might delay switching to a new congestion control context=0D > until it is confirmed that an old path is no longer needed (such as=0D > the case in Section 9.3.3).=0D > GF: This seems underspecified and novel to me. I think it may b quite O= K to continue using the old path and the old CC, for a while. Same questi= on: is this implying the two paths share a single CC > and is there some = real mechanism to detect that they are really the same set of network dev= ices on path?=0D =0D I don't think we're trying to specify a new mechanism to determine equali= ty of paths across a network. The intent here is to recommend that an end= point be a little bit cautious about throwing out its state before it kno= ws it's really going to be sticking with the new path.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2909#issuecomment-545655532= ----==_mimepart_5db0ce6067d3c_1ba43f7e3cecd96c12526c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We've summarized some discussion for these above, but to go through th= e resolution plan for concrete changes for each one:

=0D
=0D
=0D

Section 9.4 of draft-ietf-quic-transport :
=0D The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the
=0D= old path. Packets sent on the old path SHOULD NOT contribute to
=0D congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path.
=0D GF: That would be fine IF the new path were a separate CC context, which = I am not yet clear whether it is, read on:

=0D
=0D

The intent here was that either (a) you only ever have a singe CC cont= ext and you reset it for each path, or (b) you have a CC context for each= path, in which case each context is strongly tied to a path and you don'= t need to reset anything. We require that everyone does at least (a), whi= le not preventing folks who want to do extra work for a potential perform= ance gain from doing (b).

=0D

Addressing this in a PR:

=0D 
Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion=
 control or =0D
RTT estimation for the new path.=0D
=0D

They can contribute to the CC/RTT estimation for the old path= if it's still around and you're willing to maintain that state, which is= why this (mistakenly) was a SHOULD.

=0D
=0D
=0D

=E2=80=94
=0D Section 9.4 of draft-ietf-quic-transport :
=0D On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint
=0D SHOULD immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip
=0D time estimator for the new path.
=0D GF: Why not MUST? - because I think this is a new path, I think it can on= ly be should if something > can confirm this is the same set of networ= k-devices and classifiers on the path. I don't know how > you would kn= ow that, and I don't like the guess.
=0D =E2=80=94

=0D
=0D

Yes, this should be a MUST, because the CC/RTT for that path has to be= reset for a new address, either by making a new one for the new path and= keeping the old one around for the old path, or by resetting your single= one.

=0D

This is now a MUST in the current editor's copy.

=0D
=0D
=0D

draft-ietf-quic-transport :
=0D For instance, a change in the client's port
=0D number is likely indicative of a rebinding in a middlebox and not a
=0D= complete change in path.
=0D GF: So. maybe this is the guess, and I don't believe it! In a world of EC= MP and other methods, this > needs to be treated as a potential change= of path.
=0D =E2=80=94

=0D
=0D

A very good point! This is now:

=0D 
For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in=0D
only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning t=
hat the=0D
new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However=
, this=0D
determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the=0D=

congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the =
new=0D
path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using p=
revious=0D
values on a new path.=0D
=0D

This seems to address the need for caution here.

=0D
=0D
=0D

Section 9.4 of draft-ietf-quic-transport:
=0D While multiple paths might be used during connection migration, a
=0D single congestion control context and a single loss recovery context
=0D= (as described in [QUIC-RECOVERY]) may be adequate.
=0D GF: Well it could if the paths WERE known to be identical, but how would = an endpoint guarantee that? Section 9.2 of QUIC transport seems to sugges= t the CC is reset for the new path, which I would agree with, but which p= art of QUIC recovery says that?
=0D =E2=80=94

=0D
=0D

This is intended to say that you aren't required to maintain additiona= l per-path state, it's adequate to reset it for each path.

=0D

In recovery, the section entitled "Handshakes and New Paths" discusses= initial values to use on a new path. In general, recovery seems to be an= instance of CC/LR, so if transport instructed you to toss out the old on= e and make a new one, you'd be using initial values, etc. as specified in= recovery.

=0D

Transport does require that you reset CC/RTT a few paragraphs= above (as noted in your previous comment):

=0D 
On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoi=
nt MUST=0D
immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator=
 for=0D
the new path to initial values (see Sections A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVE=
RY}})=0D
unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time esti=
mate is=0D
valid for the new path.=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D

draft-ietf-quic-recovery:
=0D For instance, an
=0D endpoint might delay switching to a new congestion control context
=0D= until it is confirmed that an old path is no longer needed (such as
=0D= the case in Section 9.3.3).
=0D GF: This seems underspecified and novel to me. I think it may b quite OK = to continue using the old path and the old CC, for a while. Same question= : is this implying the two paths share a single CC > and is there some= real mechanism to detect that they are really the same set of network de= vices on path?

=0D
=0D

I don't think we're trying to specify a new mechanism to determine equ= ality of paths across a network. The intent here is to recommend that an = endpoint be a little bit cautious about throwing out its state before it = knows it's really going to be sticking with the new path.

=0D =0D

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5db0ce6067d3c_1ba43f7e3cecd96c12526c-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 15:07:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6855D120086 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EuErAqBx4VVU for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E808120019 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 15:07:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571868459; bh=pLK/ISwPpFKf4Tz8+uS7E466MsVG0vvEJsGUQdBjvIs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z6YCmZKBMk14P47Dx6W8m5U8w8eQ6/MP4zYrMvDDoBo7SNdZW5Zz8uB7nGPbZ2gZa 1gez4QDdvGdZ1UAmIUhMqzh23BFJsi0et56+Jnanb6s8lvF2PQ4QodE/8ZHF+jvW+B jRG/sDsA8y1QJewt3JKdYS3uzAtKxSAK/MUov09A= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packets on one path must not adjust values for a different path (#3139) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db0cf2baf963_19583fddc80cd95c13734"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:07:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db0cf2baf963_19583fddc80cd95c13734 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The intent here was that either (a) you only ever have a singe CC context and you reset it for each path, or (b) you have a CC context for each path, in which case each context is strongly tied to a path and you don't need to reset anything (except when it's been a while and the previous values may no longer be valid, etc.). We require that everyone does at least (a), while not preventing folks who want to do extra work for a potential performance gain from doing (b). Packets *can* contribute to the CC/RTT estimation for the old path if it's still around and you're willing to maintain that state, which is why this (mistakenly) was a SHOULD. Closes #2909. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3139 -- Commit Summary -- * Packets on one path must not adjust values for a different path -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3139.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3139.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3139 ----==_mimepart_5db0cf2baf963_19583fddc80cd95c13734 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The intent here was that either (a) you only ever have a singe CC context and you reset it for each path, or (b) you have a CC context for each path, in which case each context is strongly tied to a path and you don't need to reset anything (except when it's been a while and the previous values may no longer be valid, etc.). We require that everyone does at least (a), while not preventing folks who want to do extra work for a potential performance gain from doing (b).

Packets can contribute to the CC/RTT estimation for the old path if it's still around and you're willing to maintain that state, which is why this (mistakenly) was a SHOULD.

Closes #2909.

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this is editorial, I believe.

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This looks good. I'm calling it editorial. However, it changes normative language, so I want an opinion on that from at least @ianswett or @janaiyengar before merging (other opinions are also highly valued).

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The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. + +The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of +AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=RFC5116}} used with the following inputs: + +- The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero. +- The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero. +- The plaintext is empty. +- The associated data is the contents of the Retry Pseudo-Packet, as described ```suggestion - The associated data, A, is the contents of the Retry Pseudo-Packet, as illustrated ``` > @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello. The server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. +## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity} + +Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a +Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mitigates +off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets. + +The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the output of +AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=RFC5116}} used with the following inputs: + +- The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero. +- The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero. +- The plaintext is empty. ```suggestion - The plaintext, P, is empty. ``` > +| Version (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| DCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| SCID Len (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Source Connection ID (0..160) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Retry Token (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ +{: #retry-pseudo title="Retry Pseudo-Packet"} + +The Retry Pseudo-Packet is not sent over the wire. It is computed by taking This is fine. I mean, the split between the documents boils down to "all the crypto bits" and "everything else". We have discussed moving packet protection to transport in the past, but that hasn't happened, and now probably won't. As this is packet protection (ish), this is the right place for now. > @@ -2736,7 +2736,7 @@ available. ## Protected Packets {#packet-protected} -All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authenticated +All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation packets use authenticated encryption with additional data (AEAD) {{!RFC5116}} to provide confidentiality and integrity protection. Details of packet protection are found in ```suggestion and integrity protection. Retry packets use an AEAD to provide integrity protection. Details of packet protection are found in ``` Note that the left indent here is weirdly broken. Likely the result of a bug in GitHub suggestions. > @@ -4111,37 +4111,31 @@ wishes to perform a retry (see {{validate-handshake}}). +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source Connection ID (0..160) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| ODCID Len (8) | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Original Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Retry Token (*) ... We already have impossible packets. The DCID Len field can indicate a length longer than the packet. > @@ -4163,10 +4157,10 @@ A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection attempt. After the client has received and processed an Initial or Retry packet from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent Retry packets that it receives. -Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destination -Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID from its -Initial packet. This prevents an off-path attacker from injecting a Retry -packet. +Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retry Integrity Tag cannot be Unnecessary anthropomorphism (or at least implied possessive). ```suggestion Clients MUST discard Retry packets that have a Retry Integrity Tag that cannot be ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#pullrequestreview-306237557 ----==_mimepart_5db0dc21cd243_61f03fac6c2cd960916a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}=0D
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+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry=
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+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mit=
igates=0D
+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.=0D
+=0D
+The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the outpu=
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+AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}} used with the following inputs:=0D
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+- The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero.=0D
+- The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero.=0D
+- The plaintext is empty.=0D
+- The associated data is the contents of the Retry Pseudo-Packet, as des=
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-- The associated data is the contents of the =
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> @@ -1197,6 +1197,64 @@ TLS ClientHello.  T=
he server MAY retain these packets for later decryption in=0D
 anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+## Retry Packet Integrity {#retry-integrity}=0D
+=0D
+Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry=
 a=0D
+Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding=0D=

+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it mit=
igates=0D
+off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.=0D
+=0D
+The Retry Integrity Tag is a 128-bit field that is computed as the outpu=
t of=0D
+AEAD_AES_128_GCM {{!AEAD=3DRFC5116}} used with the following inputs:=0D
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+- The secret key, K, is 128 bits all set to zero.=0D
+- The nonce, N, is 96 bits all set to zero.=0D
+- The plaintext is empty.=0D
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-- The plaintext is empty.=0D
+- The plaintext, P, is empty.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> +|                         Version (32)   =
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++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+| DCID Len (8)  |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+| SCID Len (8)  |=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
+|                        Retry Token (*)                      ...=0D
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
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This is fine. I mean, the split between the documents boils down to "= all the crypto bits" and "everything else". We have discussed moving pac= ket protection to transport in the past, but that hasn't happened, and no= w probably won't. As this is packet protection (ish), this is the right = place for now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-All QUIC packets except Version Negotiation and Retry packets use authen=
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 and integrity protection. Details of packet protection are found in=0D
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- and integrity protection. Details of packet =
protection are found in=0D
+ and integrity protection. Retry packets use an AEAD to provide integrit=
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Note that the left indent here is weirdly broken. Likely the result o= f a bug in GitHub suggestions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -4111,37 +4111,31 @@ wishes to perform =
a retry (see {{validate-handshake}}).=0D
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
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 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
-| ODCID Len (8) |=0D
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
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-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+=0D
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We already have impossible packets. The DCID Len field can indicate a= length longer than the packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -4163,10 +4157,10 @@ A client MUST acce=
pt and process at most one Retry packet for each connection=0D
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y packet=0D
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-Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destination=0D=

-Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID fr=
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-Initial packet.  This prevents an off-path attacker from injecting a Ret=
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+Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retry Integrity Tag cannot be=0D=
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Unnecessary anthropomorphism (or at least implied possessive).

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-Clients MUST discard Retry packets whose Retr=
y Integrity Tag cannot be=0D
+Clients MUST discard Retry packets that have a Retry Integrity Tag that =
cannot be=0D
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Some more comments > @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection. When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to: - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}}; -- enable 0-RTT; and +- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and A client doesn't receive 0-RTT, so how would it reject it? The way I think of it is: "be informed when 0-RTT keys are available." "be informed when 1-RTT keys are available." I don't think the client application needs to know if 0-RTT is rejected or accepted, as long as the handshake succeeds? And applications like HTTP/3 don't want to enable 0-RTT, but only send some data with 0-RTT keys. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Some more comments

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

A client doesn't receive 0-RTT, so how would it reject it?

The way I think of it is:
"be informed when 0-RTT keys are available."
"be informed when 1-RTT keys are available."

I don't think the client application needs to know if 0-RTT is rejected or accepted, as long as the handshake succeeds? And applications like HTTP/3 don't want to enable 0-RTT, but only send some data with 0-RTT keys.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

Whoops. Let me fix that.

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When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to: - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}}; -- enable 0-RTT; and +- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and That was silly. I think that "enable 0-RTT *when available*" suffices. We don't need to go into detail about 0-RTT keys or any of that mess, that's an internal concern of the transport. For our stack, we enable 0-RTT always (you can't turn it off), and rely on applications using the handshake state to determine whether what is being sent is 0-RTT (or 0.5-RTT) or not. If there is no 0-RTT, then attempts to create streams will fail. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3138#discussion_r338347580 ----==_mimepart_5db0ffa6d0a4e_658e3feda5ccd9681166d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

That was silly. I think that "enable 0-RTT when available" suffices. We don't need to go into detail about 0-RTT keys or any of that mess, that's an internal concern of the transport.

For our stack, we enable 0-RTT always (you can't turn it off), and rely on applications using the handshake state to determine whether what is being sent is 0-RTT (or 0.5-RTT) or not. If there is no 0-RTT, then attempts to create streams will fail.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3181,9 +3181,10 @@ containing that information is acknowledged.
   unless the endpoint has sent a RESET_STREAM for that stream.  Once an endpoint
   sends a RESET_STREAM frame, no further STREAM frames are needed.
 
-* The most recent set of acknowledgments are sent in ACK frames.  An ACK frame
-  SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in
-  {{sending-ack-frames}}.
+* ACK frames are sent containing the most recent set of acknowledgements and
+  Ack Delay, as described in {{sending-ack-frames}}. Retransmitting an old ACK
+  frame with stale Ack Delay can cause the peer to generate an inflated RTT
+  sample.

I took part of this, but the first statement is incorrect: ACK frames do not have to contain the highest packet number that has been processed(there was an issue about this).

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An ACK frame SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in - {{sending-ack-frames}}. + {{sending-ack-frames}}. Retransmitting an ACK frame can result in an I worked part of your first suggestion in. The latter suggestion is now present(from a different PR). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3049#discussion_r338348305 ----==_mimepart_5db100a7c401_4f813f8e53ccd9605150a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3183,7 +3183,8 @@ containing that information is acknowledged.
 
 * The most recent set of acknowledgments are sent in ACK frames.  An ACK frame
   SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in
-  {{sending-ack-frames}}.
+  {{sending-ack-frames}}.  Retransmitting an ACK frame can result in an

I worked part of your first suggestion in.

The latter suggestion is now present(from a different PR).

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When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to: - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}}; -- enable 0-RTT; and +- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and Your implementation sound similar to ours. But in both cases, it seems like the application doesn't care of 0-RTT succeeds or fails. It only cares to know when 1-RTT keys are available. But the existing text indicates the application needs to know about 0-RTT success/failure. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3138#discussion_r338349488 ----==_mimepart_5db1025611b01_30c43ff8078cd96441167a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

Your implementation sound similar to ours. But in both cases, it seems like the application doesn't care of 0-RTT succeeds or fails. It only cares to know when 1-RTT keys are available. But the existing text indicates the application needs to know about 0-RTT success/failure.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

The application (protocol) definitely need to know when 0-RTT is rejected because it has to start over completely for anything that it might have already sent (that's the very next interface requirement). However, for that to happen, it makes sense for the application to know when it was attempting 0-RTT.

Our API would satisfy this simply by allowing stream creation and writing prior to handshake completion: the application just needs to understand that writing before handshake completion means that you are attempting 0-RTT. Our TLS stack has a different API, because of backward compatibility: you have to explicitly turn on 0-RTT. Either approach works fine, except that QUIC doesn't need to concern itself as much with backward compatibility.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 23 19:25:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B5A120122 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:25:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aE061xTjUReL for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F17112010D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75603C61F90 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:25:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571883929; bh=tlZxkxVhPdEWqgtf5kxupUZP778HIqnxKKm6CvKkjMI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pAXm22DNNmJd4iHLRqGfs23l1ka6b667h5ZJbl2x+hcAnXcto2rkVbvzSXD8y7k28 v/JRnx+52q6gc46soK4tyg/z29ILg5tsRJiVtY99g8N9v3J4UngObwKzwSn/nhqn+x w19ygfcbCt7CNPXu65wyCQsVlVK/NlNmh3uaEz84= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 19:25:29 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] It is unspecified how a server should send Handshake packets during / after migration (#3142) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db10b99661f3_61673f9d70ccd95c2905f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 02:25:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db10b99661f3_61673f9d70ccd95c2905f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, each endpoint reaches handshake confirmed by it's own. That means that, a client might confirm the handshake and initiate a migration, and that migration might complete, while the server is transmitting Handshake packets, in case the 1-RTT acks sent by the client is repeatedly lost. This is a possibility, as we do not require 1-RTT acks to be bundled with packets carrying PATH_CHALLENGE or PATH_RESPONSE frames. However, we do not specify if the path used for sending Handshake packets migrate or continue to use the old path. In case it is the former, we also need to specify how the server fills in the SCID field of the Handshake packets it sends. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3142 ----==_mimepart_5db10b99661f3_61673f9d70ccd95c2905f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At the moment, each endpoint reaches handshake confirmed by it's own.

That means that, a client might confirm the handshake and initiate a migration, and that migration might complete, while the server is transmitting Handshake packets, in case the 1-RTT acks sent by the client is repeatedly lost. This is a possibility, as we do not require 1-RTT acks to be bundled with packets carrying PATH_CHALLENGE or PATH_RESPONSE frames.

However, we do not specify if the path used for sending Handshake packets migrate or continue to use the old path. In case it is the former, we also need to specify how the server fills in the SCID field of the Handshake packets it sends.

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The 5-tuple doesn't change during the handshake. That means we should not send Handshake packets down the new path. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3142#issuecomment-545715695 ----==_mimepart_5db10e2d8f7fa_32af3ff25f8cd96c1816da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think there is a key principle we've previously agreed upon.

The 5-tuple doesn't change during the handshake. That means we should not send Handshake packets down the new path.

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Thanks for the feedback, PR updated. > @@ -438,11 +438,13 @@ and larger thresholds increase loss detection delay. A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers sending one or two probe datagrams when ack-eliciting packets are not acknowledged within the expected period of time or the handshake has not been completed. A PTO enables a connection to -recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. The PTO algorithm used -in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss Probe -{{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and -F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout computation is based on -TCP's retransmission timeout period {{?RFC6298}}. +recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. As with loss +detection, the probe timeout is per packet number space. + +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of +Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, Good point. RACK includes TLP, so maybe we should remove the TLP reference? https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-tcpm-rack-03.html If so, I would prefer to do that in a separate PR #3137 > @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due It's mostly redundant, but if there are two packets, this makes it clear they have to be ack-eliciting. This didn't change as part of this PR, FWIW. > @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due +to a single lost datagram. Good point, I updated the PR to try to limit the number of packets sent when implementations did not coalesce. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks for the feedback, PR updated.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -438,11 +438,13 @@ and larger thresholds increase loss detection delay.
 A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers sending one or two probe datagrams when
 ack-eliciting packets are not acknowledged within the expected period of
 time or the handshake has not been completed.  A PTO enables a connection to
-recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. The PTO algorithm used
-in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss Probe
-{{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and
-F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout computation is based on
-TCP's retransmission timeout period {{?RFC6298}}.
+recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements.  As with loss
+detection, the probe timeout is per packet number space.
+
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of
+Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}},

Good point. RACK includes TLP, so maybe we should remove the TLP reference?
https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-tcpm-rack-03.html If so, I would prefer to do that in a separate PR #3137

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 ### Sending Probe Packets
 
 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing
+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due

It's mostly redundant, but if there are two packets, this makes it clear they have to be ack-eliciting. This didn't change as part of this PR, FWIW.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 ### Sending Probe Packets
 
 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing
+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due
+to a single lost datagram.

Good point, I updated the PR to try to limit the number of packets sent when implementations did not coalesce.

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Returns 0 if all times are 0. GetEarliestLossTime(): - time = loss_time[Initial] + return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time) + +// Returns the earliest time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet +// and the packet number space it's from. +GetEarliestAckElicitingTime(): + return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time) I removed the functions, because they were overly verbose. And as you said, I used the wrong argument in one of them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3066#discussion_r338363812 ----==_mimepart_5db1159bb7872_2f0d3ff14d4cd96016515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1096,12 +1103,20 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
 // Returns the earliest loss_time and the packet number
 // space it's from.  Returns 0 if all times are 0.
 GetEarliestLossTime():
-  time = loss_time[Initial]
+  return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)
+
+// Returns the earliest time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet
+// and the packet number space it's from.
+GetEarliestAckElicitingTime():
+  return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)

I removed the functions, because they were overly verbose. And as you said, I used the wrong argument in one of them.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:10:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD00E12012A for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:10:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jWpDBPXW4u9s for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E27D1200F6 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7924A0D76 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571886614; bh=x2LaNVzcPMIm2y3XO3q7K/EXziEPJE6dzWJ+bVJ7Sz0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NA34gwxOXMsFD5omH/KczYKyhNefLyOS504B0TvqQPmqmnc/zn8ghEaGam7TVeM0C ZHoL9Fm/p0ArTVOpghc+1+DcmWSIPGIiRCEmbRVIElkwQZpBLSTFBuCK5VOLsX3hls RRYbvPpgJudPayuk6FoGDcg4ZdU3TE8SbueQcnvY= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:10:14 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change PTO to be per packet number space (#3066) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db11616c8afd_27f13f98afccd968741f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:10:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db11616c8afd_27f13f98afccd968741f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -496,9 +500,7 @@ be considered an RTT sample. Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and -data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData -data. If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until +If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until data has been received from the client. Changed to datagram, PTAL -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3066#discussion_r338364156 ----==_mimepart_5db11616c8afd_27f13f98afccd968741f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,9 +500,7 @@ be considered an RTT sample.
 
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of
 data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
+If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
 data has been received from the client.

Changed to datagram, PTAL

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----==_mimepart_5db118071f464_33ed3fe9176cd96022313-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:21:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4038120178 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o7soWPLhpFQn for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EA2E12010D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:21:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571887275; bh=QGn0/6y/haNC3gqL+5L/RY3/I8WsTTiRFGnUeaKlgkU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TmA+dFgTVfULxak+rMOx3lzrZib3QlKvOFdbENovdGDmefQ2DG6INRYmcWCD9RrYe unQG68iTd64WOIsjOQNIbuJF3fra3YPmgNOoEMl4FRjEq2eI6rHjCICYYd1c5KE5pD 0ipmnfAfzrcVf96sYyRXz89lSwEl2WTKN3lNqyXw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] It is unspecified how a server sends Handshake packets during / after migration (#3142) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db118abcb2a5_55853f81af6cd96c2263c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:21:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db118abcb2a5_55853f81af6cd96c2263c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett > The 5-tuple doesn't change during the handshake. That means we should not send Handshake packets down the new path. I agree. Assuming that is the case, we need to define a mechanism that allows the server to drop Handshake keys and the path before migration completes, or even better before the sends the first packet in response to a migration attempt. Otherwise, the server would be required to have a special-case for handle the original path. Proposed solution is #3141. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3142#issuecomment-545724898 ----==_mimepart_5db118abcb2a5_55853f81af6cd96c2263c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett

The 5-tuple doesn't change during the handshake. That means we should not send Handshake packets down the new path.

I agree.

Assuming that is the case, we need to define a mechanism that allows the server to drop Handshake keys and the path before migration completes, or even better before the sends the first packet in response to a migration attempt. Otherwise, the server would be required to have a special-case for handle the original path.

Proposed solution is #3141.

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----==_mimepart_5db118abcb2a5_55853f81af6cd96c2263c-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:26:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FD312010D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gMEj0rZ1pGNP for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B557A1200F6 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BC1961135 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:26:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571887598; bh=r0e4eb12ebHsX+Wwet2aKkUneM4qRGhlEz0fpiomQ4w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AUWzzJ4xFf3LD2/wjz1EupQ1W47dne2uyK0dM2eZ0WeByz9IszkjFXAxLqYY27pIp 71+VF25EyBxl+YS7edmUuq8M4+00keaRvhkGCpDYA53/uUykHGLuGYHX+xLIuUuoL1 86+FmTNd7jqaxRZJrE0aWUdBwmGkdk0AnrvNAlns= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:26:38 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change PTO to be per packet number space (#3066) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db119eec8ce1_3bf63fddbb4cd96096752"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:26:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db119eec8ce1_3bf63fddbb4cd96096752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -471,8 +474,10 @@ the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe congestion. The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is limited by the endpoint's idle timeout. -A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A -sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it +A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. +When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces, +the timer MUST be set from the packet number space with the earliest timeout. ```suggestion the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout. ``` > @@ -471,8 +474,10 @@ the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe congestion. The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is limited by the endpoint's idle timeout. -A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A -sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it +A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. +When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces, +the timer MUST be set from the packet number space with the earliest timeout. +A sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it knows that more ack-eliciting packets will be sent within a short period of time. Remove this sentence, it's unnecessary. > @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due +to a single lost datagram. + +In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer +expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet Is this necessarily "all" spaces? > @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due +to a single lost datagram. + +In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer +expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet +number spaces with in-flight data if sending coalesced packets is supported. +If implementations do not send coalesced packets upon timeout when multiple +packet number spaces have in-flight data, then they MUST only send a single Suggestion: "If an endpoint has data in multiple packet number spaces in flight and is unable to send coalesced packet when a PTO expires, it MUST send only a single datagram on PTO expiration." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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----==_mimepart_5db11a76b8222_50bc3fd0c48cd960447a2-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:29:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCF4120152 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q3K0ZW0-O6lT for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09EBF1200F6 for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:31:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04307120152 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:31:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47hLTFZPfUbo for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB6071200F6 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-19d82f6.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-19d82f6.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.75]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D8A2603B7 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:31:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571887899; bh=a4wqKqNV1HMGhD2fW+SAIoAUXu5By5dFhK0Ka52wWyo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FP1HybxRxOsmAdYQ7Y7ewbFluZAiravmPOjDBgXljS42xW8q5j2mh0w+AkztxPvwS 4LMyFbOGJx3c3cPooWVi0Moa+a0z4fER1ZL3VglQiCOm3ZNWRwweWQAFB2/3GURjfj dhwjomzsAnd/pQDX3n9iHtD5jK0xuVjwpKt40k6s= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:31:39 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use key update for confirming the handshake (#3141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db11b1b3ca3a_124f3fc7ab0cd96c939186"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:31:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db11b1b3ca3a_124f3fc7ab0cd96c939186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the idea. I'm a big fan of the explicit signal, and I do like the added bonus of exercising key updates. I took a quick look at the text and it looks fine to me. I have to think about it more before I sign off on it completely though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3141#issuecomment-545727318 ----==_mimepart_5db11b1b3ca3a_124f3fc7ab0cd96c939186 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I like the idea. I'm a big fan of the explicit signal, and I do like the added bonus of exercising key updates. I took a quick look at the text and it looks fine to me. I have to think about it more before I sign off on it completely though.

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I think the latest text looks great. Thanks @ianswett for putting it together.

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----==_mimepart_5db11b58b2cf9_2fde3f82934cd95c772a1-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:33:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FAE12010D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:33:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rfV0e7S75uo0 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398061200F6 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:33:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571888009; bh=OiEy6XqIbXo1v6BoNsvxHx5dm/8ZhTptwQ2fcDRRPIg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VjnKCw7/lF2FsoPg9GcfTa7VMBrW63KQJmfo9oSZjUhdISKA6Y4sUmtcWnS0W28DC N7AEnSRb6QQ+C+yI4zrH1ZNbx71eaiiVd9ebzhJ2LCGe00DGBxEpSXcq1y1+iedsc9 GI67WCzWB84btX+sztESj2kZUYnKZlMunhdZeGg8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change PTO to be per packet number space (#3066) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db11b8972ca8_5c0a3fafb90cd96c1648e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:33:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db11b8972ca8_5c0a3fafb90cd96c1648e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. > @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due +to a single lost datagram. + +In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer +expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet +number spaces with in-flight data if sending coalesced packets is supported. +If implementations do not send coalesced packets upon timeout when multiple +packet number spaces have in-flight data, then they MUST only send a single @janaiyengar has it right, but repeats "PTO expiration", suggest: > If an endpoint has data in multiple packet number spaces in flight and is unable to send coalesced packet when a PTO expires, it MUST send only a single datagram. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3066#pullrequestreview-306303081 ----==_mimepart_5db11b8972ca8_5c0a3fafb90cd96c1648e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 ### Sending Probe Packets
 
 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing
+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due
+to a single lost datagram.
+
+In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer
+expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet
+number spaces with in-flight data if sending coalesced packets is supported.
+If implementations do not send coalesced packets upon timeout when multiple
+packet number spaces have in-flight data, then they MUST only send a single

@janaiyengar has it right, but repeats "PTO expiration", suggest:

If an endpoint has data in multiple packet number spaces in flight and is unable to send coalesced packet when a PTO expires, it MUST send only a single datagram.

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Fixes #2863. Fixes #3142.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

This lacks motivating force. You have to not only initiate a key update, but keep sending packets in order to drive this to completion. When responding to a key update in this case, you also need to keep sending packets.

Having the initiator of the key update send an ack-eliciting packet might suffice to ensure that this process drives to completion. But we still don't require a packet on PTO, so it would need to be even stronger than that. If the initiator keeps sending ack-eliciting packets, it's peer will be forced to acknowledge them and this will eventually resolve itself, but without that this could hang like before.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:39:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077112018D for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8JiHWyO5ZUVM for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7110612012A for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF568261565 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:39:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571888347; bh=jbDZRTGAx1b30QbTMccszZanSovZbQ2Y92yDUKnAuE4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m4bikCkAeWPTFmREx9fz1zAoegq7rC47+tenxNIMo7TiQgdig/GpF+0zNex2eSTuP 2fRukSKrvZuHHSs4C2h18+b1Ki1MehvjznyBXbZaU6H92bOoWdwQmVDwF1hmeJdYAw Pznm+k3ZcPPYcZvh2yeAWoDrP7iJ8wokuFMYKC70= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:39:07 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix punctuation (#3146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db11cdb9ab8b_18c03fd50becd964562e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:39:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db11cdb9ab8b_18c03fd50becd964562e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really appreciate all of these PRs. 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I really appreciate all of these PRs. It's easy to miss these things with larger changes.

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----==_mimepart_5db11cdb9ab8b_18c03fd50becd964562e6-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 20:46:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2276120219 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nntiHusAH68B for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2039120152 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEAC5203B2 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:45:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571888757; bh=ohqbW2njE1QYgwOVRSxbIpkwFYDH5vqpIPIGfoNngho=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aGt8HSNneZKh/kx7IJa23i3SSaORrExiT0ao9oon0G2LgzCx+4TZjne8vhaTYvKqz thHVjmMb6V+GcaXs9aSkz89uP8rxTHtfWzOZiJG1fIsuLOgPMayR8WSDM/38e9dtix WcQU4UdQdLhmj+OO/oJmU8dX1OnzvnGrPp8RH62o= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 20:45:57 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use key update for confirming the handshake (#3141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db11e75befbf_7f163f9b470cd95c703db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 03:46:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db11e75befbf_7f163f9b470cd95c703db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I agree with the observation. However, I do not think that's a problem. Current spec does not mandate endpoints to reach handshake confirmation. It is something an endpoint might do. Quoting from [section 4.10.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4.10.2): _endpoints that do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be confirmed when they are acknowledged._ This PR retains that property. We can change the property, but I do not think that there is a need to. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3141#issuecomment-545730336 ----==_mimepart_5db11e75befbf_7f163f9b470cd95c703db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson I agree with the observation. However, I do not think that's a problem.

Current spec does not mandate endpoints to reach handshake confirmation. It is something an endpoint might do. Quoting from section 4.10.2: endpoints that do not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be confirmed when they are acknowledged.

This PR retains that property. We can change the property, but I do not think that there is a need to.

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Two changes here: better explanation of why, and a validation requirement on clients.

Closes #2837.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3147

Commit Summary

  • Retry changes the connection ID always
  • Add a MUST discard requirement for bad SCID

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A few suggestions, but I like this approach. > @@ -383,15 +383,26 @@ requirement that is based on the completion of the handshake depends on the perspective of the endpoint in question. +### Handshake Acknowledged {#handshake-acknowledged} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered acknowledged at an endpoint +when the handshake is complete and either of the following two conditions is +met: + +- all the data sent using Handshake packets have been acknowledged +- the peer initiates a key update ({{key-update}}) ```suggestion - a key update is received from the peer ({{key-update}}) ``` > ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +it receives a packet initiating a key update. The transition from handshake +acknowledged to handshake confirmed happens immediately when the endpoint +receives a key update. I think it may be worth noting that the endpoint reaches this state before it sends a key update response. > @@ -383,15 +383,26 @@ requirement that is based on the completion of the handshake depends on the perspective of the endpoint in question. +### Handshake Acknowledged {#handshake-acknowledged} + +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered acknowledged at an endpoint +when the handshake is complete and either of the following two conditions is +met: + +- all the data sent using Handshake packets have been acknowledged +- the peer initiates a key update ({{key-update}}) + +When the handshake is acknowledged, the next 1-RTT packet that the endpoint +sends MUST respond to the key update had it received a key update from peer as +defined in {{key-update}}, else initiate a key update. + Suggestion: "When the handshake is acknowledged, an endpoint MUST immediately do one of the following: initiate a key update if it has not received one from the peer, or respond to the key update that the peer has initiated." > @@ -1214,13 +1225,15 @@ TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent -key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the -current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet -number sent with each KEY_PHASE, and the highest acknowledged packet number -in the 1-RTT space: once the latter is higher than or equal to the former, -another key update can be initiated. +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update until the handshake is acknowledged +({{handshake-acknowledged}}). Once the handshake is acknowledged, an endpoint ```suggestion ({{handshake-acknowledged}}). Once the handshake is acknowledged, an endpoint ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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A few suggestions, but I like this approach.

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Also, this covers what needs to be retained across this transition better. Basically, the only thing that needs to go is the congestion and loss recovery state. The rest can stay; in fact, the crypto handshake has to stay. Closes #2058. 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This section was well out of date. Also, this covers what needs to be
retained across this transition better. Basically, the only thing that
needs to go is the congestion and loss recovery state. The rest can
stay; in fact, the crypto handshake has to stay.

Closes #2058.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3148

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 23 21:10:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA691120114 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yV1GD9mGcT1m for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BE8212006E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:10:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571890239; bh=Y8mGfIOybw7WCej0p3s9ZcvEvkGGESb6BH7OYhyIWlw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w9E0QS9QU7F4pPQnYxJmtZ/Tj3qJc434g4v24J9ByweYP+AA5QbYdrx+QwL/AkxI2 pHCwyGE/NFUNt8BoXOEdWlKfTnS1aIGHeq2rogIcLsCR9j6+1wxlOmVCU958LiIiiz 9CXs2L0+lO35/uJNZ7rl1d+xsFG//WHw+7bW+60o= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use key update for confirming the handshake (#3141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db1243fb39b2_45ff3fd3ececd95c30393"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 04:10:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db1243fb39b2_45ff3fd3ececd95c30393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho, the problem I'm concerned about is asymmetry around this new proposed condition. This doesn't work because you establish a discard point that is reliably "synchronized" between endpoints. You require that the key update is initiated, but don't require that the endpoint keeps sending packets until they are acknowledged. Without that, you can end up in a state where an endpoint can reach the point of key discard too far ahead of its peer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3141#issuecomment-545734983 ----==_mimepart_5db1243fb39b2_45ff3fd3ececd95c30393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho, the problem I'm concerned about is asymmetry around this new proposed condition.

This doesn't work because you establish a discard point that is reliably "synchronized" between endpoints. You require that the key update is initiated, but don't require that the endpoint keeps sending packets until they are acknowledged. Without that, you can end up in a state where an endpoint can reach the point of key discard too far ahead of its peer.

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----==_mimepart_5db1243fb39b2_45ff3fd3ececd95c30393-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 21:37:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0077E12006E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LG4RRmD5M9RM for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BE12120152 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:37:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571891820; bh=RDkqqW0or1QUAdXKx3ycPcY3PK6Gu5mSfY+XTb5kZaM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KH1DtDweyePEaJOVEBl8gedTgsEC+dGNTIX4zlWhh4n55XRTICdrRFMOgO2sgAs+D Qdw6b1yiA77ftIN3fJDOQON6ugQAZh3k/RNKPJkCgLcqb66aHX4c8LHYGOeOVduu/u Gdd+AhUmhVSrUIdPmVT/oHBFQNU2NhHSxZIv6cpg= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db12a6c7283f_4293fb1888cd95c122594"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 04:37:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db12a6c7283f_4293fb1888cd95c122594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -5495,6 +5495,15 @@ Reason Phrase: This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}. +## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame} + +The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of +the handshake to the client. The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional +fields. + +This frame MUST be retransmitted until it is acknowledged by the client. Add requirement that in this version of QUIC, the client MUST NOT send this frame, and if a server receives this frame, it MUST close the connection with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#pullrequestreview-306315358 ----==_mimepart_5db12a6c7283f_4293fb1888cd95c122594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5495,6 +5495,15 @@ Reason Phrase:
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
 
+## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame}
+
+The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of
+the handshake to the client.  The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional
+fields.
+
+This frame MUST be retransmitted until it is acknowledged by the client.

Add requirement that in this version of QUIC, the client MUST NOT send this frame, and if a server receives this frame, it MUST close the connection with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

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----==_mimepart_5db12a6c7283f_4293fb1888cd95c122594-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 21:39:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66280120180 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:39:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qC26LjYJm_Wz for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DD9C120178 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0968A26164A for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:39:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571891986; bh=JjpW7futr5+lfy+WhGn2t4IfmtKGq9oB3DQj2np9a1E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IouUG+kgpStEZ6Tf9SPaJblXtBtNw04WCEhjQOFI++bxASp1Krl6/1qMoXzy8PwBd nNE/edoy9YM37BPv9G5YmgNVAWN39l7z27MIiT3vBV5QLKU38zyCdBkR7JWulzpffo 51k6S6HKuS7OxQQMzArHywXp2JWoffgtMOVPPlPs= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:39:45 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db12b11b7a6f_44ad3fb6ea8cd9684704b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 04:39:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db12b11b7a6f_44ad3fb6ea8cd9684704b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually like this better than #3141. It is simpler. @kazuho and I discussed the point that this solution might cause endpoints to lose some RTT and congestion signals since not all ACKs need to be received, and we believe that is ok. It might be useful to recommend that endpoints bundle ACKs when sending initial and handshake packets to allow the peer to get RTT signals as early and frequently as possible at the start of the connection, but that can be done separately. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-545740866 ----==_mimepart_5db12b11b7a6f_44ad3fb6ea8cd9684704b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I actually like this better than #3141. It is simpler.

@kazuho and I discussed the point that this solution might cause endpoints to lose some RTT and congestion signals since not all ACKs need to be received, and we believe that is ok. It might be useful to recommend that endpoints bundle ACKs when sending initial and handshake packets to allow the peer to get RTT signals as early and frequently as possible at the start of the connection, but that can be done separately.

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----==_mimepart_5db12b11b7a6f_44ad3fb6ea8cd9684704b1-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 22:28:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0B712022C for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:28:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v4bQVbA-HUmx for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09D4512000F for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B012A115E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571894910; bh=883HvS5BnCFRcvWeFibh2X/F+6fYAQZzMY2HzDp9a2Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QAMibw/gNz9xiN1jfczO7XpahrSoYh8B4l22ayTpmzhSJk4Za5Tmo5F+YJUF8FJnk VZX/qlRV9Dny7boJXYS1jh/5sAYff7M4E/WbfaR1IvPD/uqFxD/TTvKBYJ7+uf8Pl9 WOlqx4uCpZI7VXlrxtiXmopI4vegwS4uf5qRh6mg= Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:28:30 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db1367e2c50a_36f93fed502cd968175685"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 05:28:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db1367e2c50a_36f93fed502cd968175685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. This seems workable. > @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. ### Discarding Handshake Keys -An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed A "MAY" suffices here, does it not? Or are you concerned about having to think about Handshake keys after migration? It could be enough to say that Handshake packets MUST NOT be sent on any path other than the one on which the connection was established. > @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. ### Discarding Handshake Keys -An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed +({{handshake-confirmed}}). The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame when the +handshake completes. Most application protocols will send data after the +handshake. A server might want to minimize the number of packets sent by +bundling the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame with other data. It MAY delay sending of the I think that you can drop the bundling sentence. > @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. ### Discarding Handshake Keys -An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed +({{handshake-confirmed}}). The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame when the +handshake completes. Most application protocols will send data after the +handshake. A server might want to minimize the number of packets sent by +bundling the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame with other data. It MAY delay sending of the +HANDSHAKE_DONE frame by no more than one round-trip. This delay sentence is somewhat in conflict with the preceding requirement, so maybe instead say "MUST send within 1 round-trip time of handshake completion." > @@ -5495,6 +5495,15 @@ Reason Phrase: This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}. +## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame} + +The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of +the handshake to the client. The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional +fields. + +This frame MUST be retransmitted until it is acknowledged by the client. You should move this statement to [Section 13.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#retransmission-of-information) for consistency reasons. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This seems workable.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

A "MAY" suffices here, does it not? Or are you concerned about having to think about Handshake keys after migration?

It could be enough to say that Handshake packets MUST NOT be sent on any path other than the one on which the connection was established.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame when the
+handshake completes.  Most application protocols will send data after the
+handshake.  A server might want to minimize the number of packets sent by
+bundling the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame with other data.  It MAY delay sending of the

I think that you can drop the bundling sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame when the
+handshake completes.  Most application protocols will send data after the
+handshake.  A server might want to minimize the number of packets sent by
+bundling the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame with other data.  It MAY delay sending of the
+HANDSHAKE_DONE frame by no more than one round-trip.

This delay sentence is somewhat in conflict with the preceding requirement, so maybe instead say "MUST send within 1 round-trip time of handshake completion."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5495,6 +5495,15 @@ Reason Phrase:
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
 
+## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame}
+
+The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of
+the handshake to the client.  The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional
+fields.
+
+This frame MUST be retransmitted until it is acknowledged by the client.

You should move this statement to Section 13.3 for consistency reasons.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

There are a few things that could go wrong here, if keys aren't dropped. One is sending Handshake packets after a migration, another one is that a peer could retransmit Handshake packets after the handshake is confirmed, thereby consuming the complete congestion window.
Is there any reason to not make it mandatory?

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

I am concerned about Handshake packets after migration, but I think @martinthomson's text seems more appropriate as a requirement. How about saying instead that Handshake packets MUST NOT be sent after the TLS handshake is confirmed?

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The description should be fixed to remove "Necessary for fixing #2863". That's not true.

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----==_mimepart_5db13b4b4a278_6ad23fec3c8cd968168473-- From nobody Wed Oct 23 22:56:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01E112000F for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:56:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RLHqoA3Lmmp7 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECFB61207FE for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 22:56:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571896604; bh=JM/qeBXY3L9jzMFoh3cwtARLzw8SK/8DR5jHJjSVMgc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wsL1sguP9wuu919A+duwPKaI5yj7XeFkH1pZZLhOUuo+b60AwTQm9dTmlnKI9kcVZ C9UnMuAxQMJjyate+BIxAppr9adTaUU9dEiH0ImjpwPigxYvzvE0gw7Q5xJZ5Lr5Jf Cy5LqrO16ts0NPBzC/hbzQ6yqF67E484TZP6DXpk= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] It is unspecified how a server sends Handshake packets during / after migration (#3142) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db13d1be486f_23eb3ffa6a0cd95c3074bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 05:56:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db13d1be486f_23eb3ffa6a0cd95c3074bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this comes back to a lot of what @huitema was bringing up during the interim -- there are other things that rely on having a explicit signal for the handshake being entirely complete, and this is one of them. Having a well-defined moment where we're entirely done and can move on from Handshake packets would make this a lot nicer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3142#issuecomment-545757727 ----==_mimepart_5db13d1be486f_23eb3ffa6a0cd95c3074bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think this comes back to a lot of what @huitema was bringing up during the interim -- there are other things that rely on having a explicit signal for the handshake being entirely complete, and this is one of them.

Having a well-defined moment where we're entirely done and can move on from Handshake packets would make this a lot nicer.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5830,17 +5830,18 @@ IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Parameters" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
 The "QUIC Transport Parameters" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is
-split into two spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values with the
-first byte in the range 0x00 to 0xfe (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the
-Specification Required policy {{!RFC8126}}.  Values with the first byte 0xff are
-reserved for Private Use {{!RFC8126}}.
+split into three spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values between
+0x0000 and 0x003f (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the Standards Action or IESG

I don't understand these policies well enough -- why do we need a separate space for Standards Action? Isn't that covered under Specification Required?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

+1 to "MUST NOT be sent". At the same time, I do not think we need to specify when the key is discarded. Maybe "can discard" is fine?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1032,10 +1032,11 @@ longer plans to use that address.
 
 An endpoint can request that its peer retire connection IDs by sending a
 NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To field.  Upon receipt,
-the peer SHOULD retire the corresponding connection IDs and send the
-corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames in a timely manner.  Failing to do so
-can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a
-stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.
+the peer MUST retire the corresponding connection IDs and send corresponding
+RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames.  Failing to retire the connection IDs within one
+PTO can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to

Thank you for the suggestions. I've added "approximately", and merged the other suggestion into the next paragraph. PTAL.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

I'm not opposed to making this change, but I noticed that in the previous paragraph, we specify the dropping of Initial keys:

Thus, a client MUST discard Initial keys when it first sends a Handshake packet and a server MUST discard Initial keys when it first successfully processes a Handshake packet. Endpoints MUST NOT send Initial packets after this point.

Why do we use a MUST there, but not for Handshake keys? To prevent packet injections, it would be sufficient to say "MUST NOT process Initial packets". Should we make it consistent for both encryption levels?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame when the
+handshake completes.  Most application protocols will send data after the
+handshake.  A server might want to minimize the number of packets sent by
+bundling the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame with other data.  It MAY delay sending of the
+HANDSHAKE_DONE frame by no more than one round-trip.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5495,6 +5495,15 @@ Reason Phrase:
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
 
+## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame}
+
+The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of
+the handshake to the client.  The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional
+fields.
+
+This frame MUST be retransmitted until it is acknowledged by the client.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

This isn't about consistency, it is about necessity.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

@martinthomson I don't understand your comment? What's the difference between dropping Initial keys and not processing them any more?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5495,6 +5495,15 @@ Reason Phrase:
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
 
+## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame}
+
+The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of
+the handshake to the client.  The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional
+fields.
+
+This frame MUST be retransmitted until it is acknowledged by the client.

That makes sense. Added it.

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I like this. The HANDSHAKE_DONE has a clear point in time where it must be transmitted and retransmitted, and the client explicitly has something to send (ACKs) driving the handshake forward in a timely manner. Using the alternative key update proposal might work, but it couples somewhat separate problems tightly - e.g. if one parts will change in future versions. A done signal is a clean way to communicate this. > @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question. ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. Is it clear in which PN space the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is sent in? To me it seems it could be in either 1-RTT or HS PN. But going forward - since HS keys must be dropped and done must be transmitted, it then follows it must be 1-RTT. > @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. ### Discarding Handshake Keys -An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed By having MUST dropped (or not further processes which to me is the same), there cannot be replayed packet attacks from handshake or injected packets by partially trusted co-processing logic to setup connections. I'm not sure these are valid concerns, but I don't see any benefits in keeping the handshake either. Notably, coalesced packets with a handshake packet can immediately be dropped if MUST discard is true. Vague memory: there is a situation where a peer might want to send on invalid packet with a valid CID in order for reflection to work with ECN / RESET or something. I just don't recall what it is, only that I'm the only one disliking this "hack". 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I like this. The HANDSHAKE_DONE has a clear point in time where it must be transmitted and retransmitted, and the client explicitly has something to send (ACKs) driving the handshake forward in a timely manner. Using the alternative key update proposal might work, but it couples somewhat separate problems tightly - e.g. if one parts will change in future versions. A done signal is a clean way to communicate this.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

Is it clear in which PN space the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is sent in? To me it seems it could be in either 1-RTT or HS PN. But going forward - since HS keys must be dropped and done must be transmitted, it then follows it must be 1-RTT.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

By having MUST dropped (or not further processes which to me is the same), there cannot be replayed packet attacks from handshake or injected packets by partially trusted co-processing logic to setup connections. I'm not sure these are valid concerns, but I don't see any benefits in keeping the handshake either. Notably, coalesced packets with a handshake packet can immediately be dropped if MUST discard is true.

Vague memory: there is a situation where a peer might want to send on invalid packet with a valid CID in order for reflection to work with ECN / RESET or something. I just don't recall what it is, only that I'm the only one disliking this "hack". However, if this "hack" relies on handshake keys being available, it won't work when they are not available, obviously.

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I'm a bit worried that a stateless reset from a retired CID could be used as an attack vector by simply delaying packets en-route. However, if the reset is only effective on CIDs that are no longer recognised that shouldn't be a problem.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +## Handling Retry Packets
+
+A Retry packet causes a client to send another Initial packet, effectively
+restarting the connection process.  A Retry packet indicates that the Initial
+was received, but not processed.  A Retry packet cannot be treated as an
+acknowledgment.
+
+Clients that receive a Retry packet reset congestion control and loss recovery
+state, including resetting any pending timers.  Other connection state, in
+particular cryptographic handshake messages, is retained; see Section 17.2.5 of
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+The client MAY compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period from
+when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation packet
+is received.  The client MAY use this value in place of its default for the
+initial RTT estimate.

If the Retry moves from a server in Melbourne to Chicago, the RTT estimate might not be worth much. Since this could be common use of Retry, I'm not sure this advice is sound. But perhaps I'm missing something?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2096,7 +2096,7 @@ more likely to indicate an intentional migration rather than an attack.
 ## Loss Detection and Congestion Control {#migration-cc}
 
 The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
-Packets sent on the old path SHOULD NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
+Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.

What about the initial RTT estimate on the new path?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2096,7 +2096,7 @@ more likely to indicate an intentional migration rather than an attack.
 ## Loss Detection and Congestion Control {#migration-cc}
 
 The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
-Packets sent on the old path SHOULD NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
+Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.

That's a fair point. In practice, it's more likely the new path is similar to the old path RTT than it is to a default like 1 second, given these are the same two endpoints.

But I'm not sure that optimization is worth considering. If you're validating the new path before migrating, which is probably the typical case, you expect to get an RTT sample in 1 round trip anyway.

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Thanks for the PR! > @@ -1636,10 +1636,14 @@ As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid token for its own address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to return that token, it proves to the server that it received the token. -A server can also use a Retry packet to defer the state and processing costs -of connection establishment. By giving the client a different connection ID to -use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with -more resources available for new connections. +A server can also use a Retry packet to defer the state and processing costs of +connection establishment. Requiring the server to provide a different +connection ID, along with the original_connection_id transport parameter defined +in {{transport-parameter-definitions}}, forces the server to demonstrate that +it, or an entity it cooperates with, received the original Initial packet from +the client. Providing a different connection ID also grants a server some +control over how subsequent packets are routed. This can be used to direct +connections to a server instance with more resources available. ```suggestion connections to a different server instance. ``` > @@ -1636,10 +1636,14 @@ As long as it is not possible for an attacker to generate a valid token for its own address (see {{token-integrity}}) and the client is able to return that token, it proves to the server that it received the token. -A server can also use a Retry packet to defer the state and processing costs -of connection establishment. By giving the client a different connection ID to -use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with -more resources available for new connections. +A server can also use a Retry packet to defer the state and processing costs of +connection establishment. Requiring the server to provide a different +connection ID, along with the original_connection_id transport parameter defined +in {{transport-parameter-definitions}}, forces the server to demonstrate that +it, or an entity it cooperates with, received the original Initial packet from +the client. Providing a different connection ID also grants a server some +control over how subsequent packets are routed. This can be used to direct +connections to a server instance with more resources available. There are lots of possible reasons why, so I wouldn't attempt to enumerate them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3147#pullrequestreview-306589799 ----==_mimepart_5db1ac931fa37_5e483fe0b90cd9682021e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett approved this pull request.

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Thanks, nice update! > - -A Retry or Version Negotiation packet causes a client to send another Initial -packet, effectively restarting the connection process and resetting congestion -control and loss recovery state, including resetting any pending timers. Either -packet indicates that the Initial was received but not processed. Neither -packet can be treated as an acknowledgment for the Initial. - -The client MAY however compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period -from when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation -packet is received. The client MAY use this value to seed the RTT estimator for -a subsequent connection attempt to the server. +## Handling Retry Packets + +A Retry packet causes a client to send another Initial packet, effectively +restarting the connection process. A Retry packet indicates that the Initial +was received, but not processed. A Retry packet cannot be treated as an ```suggestion was received, but not processed. A Retry packet MUST NOT be treated as an ``` > +## Handling Retry Packets + +A Retry packet causes a client to send another Initial packet, effectively +restarting the connection process. A Retry packet indicates that the Initial +was received, but not processed. A Retry packet cannot be treated as an +acknowledgment. + +Clients that receive a Retry packet reset congestion control and loss recovery +state, including resetting any pending timers. Other connection state, in +particular cryptographic handshake messages, is retained; see Section 17.2.5 of +{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +The client MAY compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period from +when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation packet +is received. The client MAY use this value in place of its default for the +initial RTT estimate. Given how IP routing works, accomplishing what you're suggesting would be quite difficult, but I agree there are cases this isn't perfect. But it's typically better than any other available value, including the 1 second default. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3148#pullrequestreview-306591837 ----==_mimepart_5db1ad8c37ef1_4d183fc3ca4cd95c663e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks, nice update!

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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Given how IP routing works, accomplishing what you're suggesting would= be quite difficult, but I agree there are cases this isn't perfect. But= it's typically better than any other available value, including the 1 se= cond default.

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----==_mimepart_5db1b9986b6af_3f463fa10cacd96436988e-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 08:41:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43621208CC for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1lQkZ5erVYrS for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C04CA1208FF for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4737960C4B for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571931700; bh=nWWGeQHjG6/O7Nr3k4qye4FfQVPl5QkGB8JkwlwKTuo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mfO6FNGwoZqtVI3zTa3Bgfz0unpYMC0vsNRzyBU3SrBnMSVLO0WhxCRDTLDPL6jzt dFw/hJWIFviE6M2Ssg3gBxLf5p9n5k0gez58f5PogKvEwxCkgjpAyaw2za8c3pnhot oKnuOtt3Pe3eEkudFUJ4talxkdk9D81bW0CTZCcM= Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:41:40 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db1c634d62ec_21833fe9966cd968163194"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:41:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db1c634d62ec_21833fe9966cd968163194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question. ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. Handshake is done at the server upon receipt of the ClientFinished. Once it's done, the frame is transmitted by the server, and the server is using 1-RTT keys to send. Therefore, it has to be 1-RTT. However, I can no longer find the section specifying which frame types are allowed in which encryption level. This should probably be listed there, and if we've lost that text, we might have bigger problems. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#discussion_r338649335 ----==_mimepart_5db1c634d62ec_21833fe9966cd968163194 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

Handshake is done at the server upon receipt of the ClientFinished. Once it's done, the frame is transmitted by the server, and the server is using 1-RTT keys to send. Therefore, it has to be 1-RTT.

However, I can no longer find the section specifying which frame types are allowed in which encryption level. This should probably be listed there, and if we've lost that text, we might have bigger problems.

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Do we need a concept of handshake fully confirmed server side once HSD has been ACK'ed? For example to say that path migration cannot start before handshake is really complete and likewise key updates.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 24 10:20:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F702120808 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aSz-qUPlDPwa for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEFDE120033 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:20:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571937648; bh=erb6jrjOn6Fmj/hw/AjLUKdNMx84pXalRqnL6kx8FL0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tmpIEQ2+AyeRRYwvqaS8jI4Kyd4hGdFE7tQe4iLxyXesCLvVs5ZwFOdsc3ENW7GTy J8FvEyG4ieaGxttP9LJm4djjCU9jVVXJ+vGZSuYpix/SuguHh3vnSEVJrkgY7UBWha hJUDIqjnPNFPNiBMxxaN+7AIoz17PE5CnXFIz6vc= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change PTO to be per packet number space (#3066) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db1dd6fe8300_25d3fc10becd9648139d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 17:20:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db1dd6fe8300_25d3fc10becd9648139d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due +to a single lost datagram. + +In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer +expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet 'all' removed, since coalescing 2 is sufficient. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3066#discussion_r338695555 ----==_mimepart_5db1dd6fe8300_25d3fc10becd9648139d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 ### Sending Probe Packets
 
 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing
+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due
+to a single lost datagram.
+
+In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer
+expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet

'all' removed, since coalescing 2 is sufficient.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -522,9 +525,17 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 ### Sending Probe Packets
 
 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing
+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due
+to a single lost datagram.
+
+In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer
+expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet
+number spaces with in-flight data if sending coalesced packets is supported.
+If implementations do not send coalesced packets upon timeout when multiple
+packet number spaces have in-flight data, then they MUST only send a single

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Depending how the server distinguishes them, a change of method / confusion about what server you're sending it to could make you appear to be presenting a Retry token instead of a regular token. This error code enables the client to recover and retry quickly, but there's no language about what the client should do when it receives the code.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1641,6 +1641,14 @@ of connection establishment.  By giving the client a different connection ID to
 use, a server can cause the connection to be routed to a server instance with
 more resources available for new connections.
 
+If a server receives a client Initial with a unverifiable Retry token,
+it knows the client will not accept another Retry token.  It can either
+proceed with the handshake without verifying the token or immediately close

I still think the requirement to make them distinguishable should be a MUST. Otherwise, a change of token generation method could make an old NEW_TOKEN token appear to be an invalid Retry token.

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@MikeBishop do you have a suggestion about what the client should do? Clearly it could start a new connection, but it would't want to do that an unlimited number of times, and it may depend upon whether a TCP fallback is available. Given that, it wasn't clear I should recommend something.

And I agree this should be a MUST, as stated in #3128

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

No, it doesn't, because you have no guarantee that you received every ACK the peer sent. This requires the peer to put every packet into an ACK frame sent in at least one packet; there's no requirement to ensure that it's delivered reliably to the peer. Thus, if you haven't received an ACK, that doesn't mean the peer didn't received the packet anyway. It could be delayed and still in transit, or the ACK might have been lost.

That said, there's no actual difference between "MUST ack every packet, but not reliably" and "SHOULD ack every packet" from the other side's point of view. This is something that could be bench-tested on an implementation, but can't be ascertained about the peer over a lossy network.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3007,25 +3007,26 @@ guidance offered below seeks to strike this balance.
 
 ### Sending ACK Frames {#sending-acknowledgements}
 
+Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint
+communicates its maximum delay using the max_ack_delay transport parameter;
+see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}.  max_ack_delay declares an explicit

It's probably correct to start the sentence with a lower-case letter, since this is a literal name of a protocol element, but it looks weird. Consider rephrasing to avoid the question.

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----==_mimepart_5db1fcb430645_5173fd0764cd96c951e9-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 12:43:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8536120047 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1L_wsfRdpONi for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E278B120020 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:42:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571946177; bh=z6vCsZCqcFNA6a/6COYkUV9MP2bPoiFrR/WqzyQentk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VKikUJ0I/UiqS38SpDGfe7G6X6Lgo9hE4K8IZ6hmnoHXO7A7gB+VBrBYxJvLQ2qJe ahd0duXdxfVsh1yGElj34nuLCgPhG8K8wXQkWOAdFjA1nGy6Kurj3tNAF3tDf3rBax /HiLAllaY37cG/fKntpTbJPnAgK/6KEluk+ZSZwo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ICID or OCID? (#2926) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db1fec1e25eb_28753fc97bccd95c1316e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:43:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db1fec1e25eb_28753fc97bccd95c1316e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopened #2926. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2926#event-2741989786 ----==_mimepart_5db1fec1e25eb_28753fc97bccd95c1316e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopened #2926.

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This is a separate issue, about definition of these terms; #3011 is about whether these need to be separate concepts depending on the outcome of other issues.

@mikkelfj notes that the term "original connection ID" appears only to say that a client MUST NOT send one, and that literal string appears nowhere else in the document except the changelog. This refers to the transport parameter original_connection_id, whose definition matches the description of the "Original Destination Connection ID" field in Retry and references Retry, but doesn't use that term.

I'd suggest using the names of the prohibited TPs in stating the client restriction, and referencing the "Original Destination Connection ID" field by name from the TP definition.

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Fixes #2926.

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  • Explicit linkages for ODCID/OCID TP

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Note that #3120 may want to change the phrasing of the ODCID field, depending on which PR lands first.

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@MikeBishop pushed 18 commits.

  • 721d42f Retransmitting an ACK frame warning
  • 1d7abab Jana's suggestion
  • ac4d4ee Require clients to keep sending if they want to keep receiving (#3123)
  • 8fe04ec Remove the TLP citation because it's in RACK
  • ec7c839 Delete reference to crypto timeout
  • 12e0404 Merge pull request #3140 from martinduke/mduke-no-crypto-retx
  • f07c067 Merge pull request #3137 from quicwg/ianswett-remove-tlp
  • d14b63e Some of Martin's suggestions
  • 9bb859c Reword the first sentence per Jana's suggestion
  • 7a1d135 Merge branch 'master' into ianswett-retransmitting-acks
  • fc1b0fb Fix change log
  • 4f77dbe Merge pull request #3049 from quicwg/ianswett-retransmitting-acks
  • ee9f461 Fix typo and wording in change log
  • 8e48d3d Merge pull request #3143 from amirlivneh/patch-20
  • d636740 Merge pull request #3144 from amirlivneh/patch-21
  • 1c824ac Fix punctuation
  • 966bb15 Merge pull request #3146 from amirlivneh/patch-22
  • 4145b05 Merge branch 'settings-ed' of https://github.com/nharper/quic-base-drafts into nharper-settings-ed

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But it sounds like we'd prefer to keep the push behavior symmetric with h2 (no more pushes after GOAWAY receipt) than introduce a new push semantic where the client can allow pushes to continue even after signaling its intent to close. This is more along the lines that @LPardue was advocating for - where the intent to close and how pushes are wound down are completely decoupled frames. The discussion on slack I thought was different - it was about what the *sender* of a GOAWAY should do with new incoming streams. I intended the PR to reflect that the sender of a GOAWAY should continue allowing requests or pushes with ID's smaller than the sent GOAWAY value. Do we agree this is the right behavior? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Ah, I was trying to get the behavior @mt was after for pushes (eg: let the server keep pushing if it wants to), and didn't intend to allow the client to send more requests after receiving a GOAWAY -- that doesn't work.

But it sounds like we'd prefer to keep the push behavior symmetric with h2 (no more pushes after GOAWAY receipt) than introduce a new push semantic where the client can allow pushes to continue even after signaling its intent to close. This is more along the lines that @LPardue was advocating for - where the intent to close and how pushes are wound down are completely decoupled frames.

The discussion on slack I thought was different - it was about what the sender of a GOAWAY should do with new incoming streams. I intended the PR to reflect that the sender of a GOAWAY should continue allowing requests or pushes with ID's smaller than the sent GOAWAY value. Do we agree this is the right behavior?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once, and ack-eliciting packets
+MUST be acknowledged at least once within the maximum ack delay. An endpoint

True, I forgot that a specific PN can be present in one ACK frame on not in the next, even if there are both older and younger PNs in the next ACK frame. This makes it inconclusive.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

There's a conflict imminent here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4412,9 +4412,10 @@ The following transport parameters are defined:
 original_connection_id (0x0000):
 
 : The value of the Destination Connection ID field from the first Initial packet
-  sent by the client.  This transport parameter is only sent by a server.  A
-  server MUST include the original_connection_id transport parameter if it sent
-  a Retry packet.
+  sent by the client.  This transport parameter is only sent by a server.  This
+  is the same value sent in the "Original Destination Connection ID" field of a
+  Retry packet (see {{packet-retry}}).  A server MUST include the

Note that David's proposal for integrity protection of the Retry packet changes this text to point to the original Initial sent by the client. You should probably do the same.

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I think that the best thing we can say is "the connection attempt failed". The first version of the PR strongly suggested that making another connection attempt was the right thing to do, but that gets into lots of difficult questions about identifying why. Given that this is an error that only happens if a Retry is spoofed, then I think that all we can say is:

it's a trap

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is permissible for a client to do 0-RTT resumption with a NST from one connection and a token from another. This clarifies that a client only needs to associate a token (from a NEW_TOKEN frame) with the server it was from and no additional state, and that a server can't require that a token be from the same connection as the NST in use. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify the state a client stores with a token -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150 ----==_mimepart_5db21d2b9da59_7fe53fe44eccd96415256f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is permissible for a client to do 0-RTT resumption with a NST from
one connection and a token from another. This clarifies that a client
only needs to associate a token (from a NEW_TOKEN frame) with the server
it was from and no additional state, and that a server can't require
that a token be from the same connection as the NST in use.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150

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  • Clarify the state a client stores with a token

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Thanks for your comments @janaiyengar. One follow-up question about whether we should always arm the PTO even if the amplification factor has been hit on the server side? That does have the benefit of forcing the client to send a padded Initial ACK-only packet. > @@ -495,11 +495,9 @@ a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but the delay SHOULD NOT be considered an RTT sample. Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of -data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and -data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData -data. If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until -data has been received from the client. +data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received, +as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no data can be sent, Are you suggesting we always arm the PTO and if we've hit the amplification factor, the server should send a PING-only packet? That actually sounds easier than not arming it and prompts the client to send a padded Initial ACK, but I'm not sure if that's what you're suggesting? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3057#pullrequestreview-306885812 ----==_mimepart_5db21df4a02ef_54773f83b72cd95c576c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks for your comments @janaiyengar. One follow-up question about whether we should always arm the PTO even if the amplification factor has been hit on the server side? That does have the benefit of forcing the client to send a padded Initial ACK-only packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -495,11 +495,9 @@ a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but the delay SHOULD NOT
 be considered an RTT sample.
 
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of
-data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
-data has been received from the client.
+data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
+as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no data can be sent,

Are you suggesting we always arm the PTO and if we've hit the amplification factor, the server should send a PING-only packet? That actually sounds easier than not arming it and prompts the client to send a padded Initial ACK, but I'm not sure if that's what you're suggesting?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1697,7 +1697,8 @@ connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
 to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
 Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+validate the client address without an additional round trip.  A client MAY use
+a token from any previous connection to that server.

Do we need any caveats about how older tokens might not be able to be processed? Or maybe tokens should have an expiry time, which would be a design change... :(

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----==_mimepart_5db2223f70be6_63a83fcd96acd96c653d6-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 15:17:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DC1120099 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i7I7vPdXV8ES for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8F13120073 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:17:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571955443; bh=yO6a3g071UC49ubaQdg/pA2X7gWQ6CiJHM5IW1jVDN4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FaK1MzkwS3ioy0rQQ8NJXHCtKQjCiNlmraVUgZB9n3b/vEo0sKds0CrOr5m263bN5 fgSBoIzIRpQiYQZmi0cnG00r7BpseCTSxBJD6c0Yz70jJ7IrLcJdTilUt+NiV+vx2N h1/FBoFJ3ImZ7wgLmB089kdfTnYs6Pde2+kIjpcc= From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify the state a client stores with a token (#3150) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db222f2efa52_12d3fca20ecd9648889e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:17:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db222f2efa52_12d3fca20ecd9648889e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nharper commented on this pull request. > @@ -1697,7 +1697,8 @@ connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +validate the client address without an additional round trip. A client MAY use +a token from any previous connection to that server. 3 paragraphs down ("Clients might receive multiple tokens on a single connection") mentions that older tokens might become invalid and that clients should send the most recent unused token. I think that covers your question. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#discussion_r338815723 ----==_mimepart_5db222f2efa52_12d3fca20ecd9648889e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1697,7 +1697,8 @@ connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
 to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
 Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+validate the client address without an additional round trip.  A client MAY use
+a token from any previous connection to that server.

3 paragraphs down ("Clients might receive multiple tokens on a single connection") mentions that older tokens might become invalid and that clients should send the most recent unused token. I think that covers your question.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1031,9 +1031,8 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space):
     OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number, pn_space)
 
   DetectLostPackets(pn_space)

I propose we change this to be as follows, keeping with the discussion on the issue.

if (DetectLostPackets(pn_space)):
    SendOnePacket()
SendPacketsAsCongestionControllerAllows()

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4 says

All other frame types MUST only be sent in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.

And since the frame can't be sent by the client, this means that the frame can only be sent in 1-RTT packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1031,9 +1031,8 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space):
     OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number, pn_space)
 
   DetectLostPackets(pn_space)

Q: Why would you always send one packet? Depending on how ACKs were grouped, this could result in an unnecessary burst of packets that could defeat the congestion controller's intent. Based on my experience, I don't think this is a purely theoretical problem.

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We also need to update the OnLossDetectionTimeout function. If I understand this PR correctly, the code should be:

OnLossDetectionTimeout():
  earliest_loss_time, pn_space = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)
  if (earliest_loss_time != 0):
    // Time threshold loss Detection
    DetectLostPackets(pn_space)
    SetLossDetectionTimer()
    return

  if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):
    // Client sends an anti-deadlock packet: Initial is padded
    // to earn more anti-amplification credit,
    // a Handshake packet proves address ownership.
    if (has Handshake keys):
      SendOneAckElicitingHandshakePacket()
    else:
      SendOneAckElicitingPaddedInitialPacket()
  else:
    // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.
    pn_space, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet)
    SendOneOrTwoAckElicitingPackets(pn_space)

  pto_count++
  SetLossDetectionTimer()

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1119,7 +1125,7 @@ PeerNotAwaitingAddressValidation():
          has received 1-RTT ACK
 
 SetLossDetectionTimer():
-  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestLossTime()
+  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)

Using loss_time here is confusing (and wouldn't compile in any language).

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----==_mimepart_5db2492eb0058_7cd3f9a298cd964966ac-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 18:14:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9376C12008D for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 18:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Ujo4aEyWRWA for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E233120018 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 18:14:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571966044; bh=0prs2pXgnYDguGNUYpXBSec2ARbVP7V5tD+We8oTr2A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RGDMTu+Xz5/kynL00stt6HSApqWfU0Jxrz1GTGdcwxVHOTaXJrBE2bucoltLQcBpr rnWVSeW03+Ml/sTOXgZ4owR27l83Yv1K7WE/FMHucyutgWPba0ELPr2WZFyHPNY5F6 grRcX0vf1hOtU6S64W5RSxsTaqmcF8x6NomEcnZc= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss detection timer description could be simplified by definining a timer mode (#3151) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db24c5cdd502_8153fbf60acd96054672"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 01:14:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db24c5cdd502_8153fbf60acd96054672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In `SetLossDetectionTimer` we're setting the loss detection timer in order to: - trigger an early retransmit (if we received gaps in the acknowledged packets) **or** - trigger a PTO (if we only have a tail outstanding) When the timer fires, in `OnLossDetectionTimeout`, we first need to figure out why we set the timer, and trigger an early retransmit or a PTO based on that. I think the code would be easier if we save a "timer mode" `enum { EARLY_RETRANSMIT, PTO }` in `SetLossDetectionTimer`, and take action based on that mode in `OnLossDetectionTimeout`. @ianswett, @janaiyengar What do you think? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3151 ----==_mimepart_5db24c5cdd502_8153fbf60acd96054672 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In SetLossDetectionTimer we're setting the loss detection timer in order to:

  • trigger an early retransmit (if we received gaps in the acknowledged packets) or
  • trigger a PTO (if we only have a tail outstanding)

When the timer fires, in OnLossDetectionTimeout, we first need to figure out why we set the timer, and trigger an early retransmit or a PTO based on that.

I think the code would be easier if we save a "timer mode" enum { EARLY_RETRANSMIT, PTO } in SetLossDetectionTimer, and take action based on that mode in OnLossDetectionTimeout.

@ianswett, @janaiyengar What do you think?

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,9 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame within
+one round-trip time of handshake completion.

I think "within one round-trip time" is too long. As this happens before both endpoints have good estimation of RTT, it could well be the case that the server's estimated RTT be much greater than the PTO of the client. In such case, it would seem to the client as if the CF had been lost.

I think we should say "SHOULD immediately send", with possibly acknowledging the fact that the server "can bundle the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame with 0.5 RTT data."

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Some comments, one to add a backstop in case the server fails to send this in a timely manner. > @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question. ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. Suggestion: or when an acknowledgement of a 1-RTT packet is received. I think this provides a stopgap against servers that make stupid or malicious errors. Also, why aren't you explicitly specifying when the server thinks the handshake is confirmed? > @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. ### Discarding Handshake Keys -An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed I'd vote for SHOULD, because I tend to think dropping them immediately is the best option, but I'm not convinced anything terrible happens if a peer delays dropping them a bit. > @@ -760,14 +756,9 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets. ### Discarding Handshake Keys -An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed +({{handshake-confirmed}}). The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame within +one round-trip time of handshake completion. I tend to agree with @kazuho point. How about "The server MUST send HANDSHAKE_DONE with the first outgoing 1-RTT packet or within one round-trip time of handshake completion if no 1-RTT packets are sent." @kazuho If the server is sending HANDSHAKE_DONE, isn't it no longer 0.5RTT data? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Some comments, one to add a backstop in case the server fails to send this in a timely manner.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

Suggestion: or when an acknowledgement of a 1-RTT packet is received.

I think this provides a stopgap against servers that make stupid or malicious errors.

Also, why aren't you explicitly specifying when the server thinks the handshake is confirmed?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

I'd vote for SHOULD, because I tend to think dropping them immediately is the best option, but I'm not convinced anything terrible happens if a peer delays dropping them a bit.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,9 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame within
+one round-trip time of handshake completion.

I tend to agree with @kazuho point. How about "The server MUST send HANDSHAKE_DONE with the first outgoing 1-RTT packet or within one round-trip time of handshake completion if no 1-RTT packets are sent."

@kazuho If the server is sending HANDSHAKE_DONE, isn't it no longer 0.5RTT data?

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That could work, but I'd call it { LOSS_DETECTION, PTO }

Any interest in writing up a PR so we can see what the change you have in mind looks like?

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This is placing a constraint on the server that I think is reasonable, but I want to test it out. If I handed out a session ticket for 0-RTT, but I wouldn't accept 0-RTT without a token, would it be reasonable for me to put additional information about 0-RTT in the token? This PR would seem to prevent that by allowing a client to switch 0-RTT tickets and tokens from two connections. @kazuho previously suggested that quicly might put some 0-RTT-related information in the token. As long as the cross-checking between token and ticket validation exists, the client doing a mix and match with incompatible tickets and tokens won't have any disastrous consequences. But it could lead to the server rejecting 0-RTT, which isn't great. Of course, the information in the token might be generic enough to match with the ticket: for instance, if it identifies "0-RTT configuration X" and the server still understands that configuration, then the information could be interchangeable and therefore usable. I'd like two things here: 1. an expression of the problem statement in the form of an issue, and 2. input from @kazuho. > @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client address. Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic handshake and so they are not authenticated. For instance, a client might be able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server So that I don't forget: A client might not be prevented from reusing a token. > @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client address. Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic handshake and so they are not authenticated. For instance, a client might be able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client -addresses. +addresses. A server MUST NOT require the client to correlate any additional +information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTicket). ```suggestion Clients MAY use tokens obtained from the this version of QUIC with any connection attempt for the same version. Clients do not need to consider other properties of the connection that is being attempted when selecting a token, including the choice of possible application protocols, session tickets, or other connection properties. ``` I don't think that this is a testable "MUST NOT". It's more or less axiomatic. A server can't prevent clients from attempting to use tokens. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#pullrequestreview-306953063 ----==_mimepart_5db25f07b24bc_e2d3fa5e1ecd9681196d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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This is placing a constraint on the server that I think is reasonable,= but I want to test it out.

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If I handed out a session ticket for 0-RTT, but I wouldn't accept 0-RT= T without a token, would it be reasonable for me to put additional inform= ation about 0-RTT in the token? This PR would seem to prevent that by al= lowing a client to switch 0-RTT tickets and tokens from two connections.<= /p>=0D

@kazuho previously suggested that quicly might put some 0-RTT-r= elated information in the token. As long as the cross-checking between t= oken and ticket validation exists, the client doing a mix and match with = incompatible tickets and tokens won't have any disastrous consequences. = But it could lead to the server rejecting 0-RTT, which isn't great.

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Of course, the information in the token might be generic enough to mat= ch with the ticket: for instance, if it identifies "0-RTT configuration X= " and the server still understands that configuration, then the informati= on could be interchangeable and therefore usable.

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I'd like two things here: 1. an expression of the problem statement in= the form of an issue, and 2. input from @kazuho.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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dress.  Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic=0D
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ht be=0D
 able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a s=
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So that I don't forget: A client might not be prevented from reusing a= token.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client ad=
dress.  Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic=0D
 handshake and so they are not authenticated.  For instance, a client mig=
ht be=0D
 able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a s=
erver=0D
 can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate c=
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+addresses.  A server MUST NOT require the client to correlate any additi=
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+information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTicket).=0D
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-information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTi=
cket).=0D
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+Clients MAY use tokens obtained from the this version of QUIC with any c=
onnection attempt for the same version.   Clients do not need to consider=
 other properties of the connection that is being attempted when selectin=
g a token, including the choice of possible application protocols, sessio=
n tickets, or other connection properties.=0D
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I don't think that this is a testable "MUST NOT". It's more or less a= xiomatic. A server can't prevent clients from attempting to use tokens.<= /p>=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,12 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed

@martinthomson I don't understand your comment? What's the difference between dropping Initial keys and not processing them any more?

I was merely pointing out that the Initial keys transition is different in that continuing to handle Initial packets leaves endpoints exposed to attack longer than is ideal. An attacker with access to Handshake keys most likely can break the remainder of the connection.

(This isn't completely true, because an attacker might only gain leaf keys and not the secrets from the core of the TLS key schedule, but the point was that access to Handshake keys signifies a much more significant breach.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5830,17 +5830,18 @@ IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Parameters" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
 The "QUIC Transport Parameters" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is
-split into two spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values with the
-first byte in the range 0x00 to 0xfe (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the
-Specification Required policy {{!RFC8126}}.  Values with the first byte 0xff are
-reserved for Private Use {{!RFC8126}}.
+split into three spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values between
+0x0000 and 0x003f (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the Standards Action or IESG

@janaiyengar Standards Action means WG-track RFC so it requires some amount of IETF consensus, whereas Specification Required just means someone wrote a draft. See RFC 8126 for details

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

I don't think that we should add an "OR" here. If the server acts badly, then the handshake won't ever be confirmed and that's OK.

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Closed #3112.

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Fixed up and merged manually.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 24 19:53:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0735912008D for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:53:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P4DmVfdWYsrF for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E66B12006A for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 19:53:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571971985; bh=dn+FG8LIPs+TGitfOvLs2bi7/Tj7grqmyExJDerpgV4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sr8WnykOV+sBME2L/71TQHQumXcDV+hLpD8z0832M+az0rGI3JVDBSMseXfwVpBF2 mg07UbPrTIXbfSvmK2Rvr/Yp9xnF9jALK34DmQo7JMrhCUu2Jwqf3uT1G0esPgNWKi C69XCxEe7N9bI40aVvRy39a5cSbK9q/O0ljrBQ0g= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db263912731d_32aa3f90266cd9641004d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 02:53:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db263912731d_32aa3f90266cd9641004d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question. ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. If we're going to add a new signal, I'd like to enforce that. And if the rule is that the server must send HANDSHAKE_DONE in a short period of time, then it's reasonable for the client to assume any ACK in 1-RTT prior to receiving the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is a result of the packet containing HANDSHAKE_DONE being lost. I don't see a downside of this addition, given it's quite simple. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#discussion_r338867201 ----==_mimepart_5db263912731d_32aa3f90266cd9641004d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

If we're going to add a new signal, I'd like to enforce that. And if the rule is that the server must send HANDSHAKE_DONE in a short period of time, then it's reasonable for the client to assume any ACK in 1-RTT prior to receiving the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is a result of the packet containing HANDSHAKE_DONE being lost.

I don't see a downside of this addition, given it's quite simple.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client address.  Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic
 handshake and so they are not authenticated.  For instance, a client might be
 able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server
 can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client
-addresses.
+addresses.  A server MUST NOT require the client to correlate any additional
+information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTicket).

You're right that this isn't a testable "MUST NOT". I think the proposed language here is better suited with the language above describing a client's behavior.

Here I'm trying to provide some advice to server implementers that clients aren't going to keep track of which token came from where (or goes with which ticket), so if they expect that a token and ticket used on a new connection came from the same old connection, they're going to have a bad time.

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On a given connection, there is only one server SETTINGS and Transport Parameters, though there may be multiple NewSessionTickets and tokens. The first 3 pieces of state are necessarily required to have come from the same connection. A NST (from any connection) is needed since without it resumption can't happen. Transport Parameters and SETTINGS must come from somewhere for 0-RTT to be useful; the obvious and currently specified place is the SETTINGS and Transport Parameters that were sent on the same connection the NST came from. There's no such need that the 4th piece of state come from the same connection as the others. The token is used to prove that the client controls the address the packet is purportedly coming from. This can be done separately from any crypto state (in the NST), application state (SETTINGS), or the rest of the transport state (Transport Parameters). For a client to store the state needed for 0-RTT resumption, one possible implementation is to create cache entries containing an NST, TP, and SETTINGS. It's easy to do that where the TP and SETTINGS get duplicated N times, assuming N NSTs were received on a connection. If M tokens were received on that connection, and tokens need to be added to those cache entries, either the M tokens need to be paired to the N NSTs somehow, or all M tokens are in all N cache entries. This introduces noticeable complexity to a client's session cache implementation to correlate unrelated things. It should be clarified that the client doesn't need to associate the token with the rest of the state needed for 0-RTT. #3150 has suggested wording for that clarification. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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For a 0-RTT resumption in H3, a client needs 4 pieces of state previously received from a server:

  1. a NewSessionTicket
  2. Transport Parameters
  3. SETTINGS
  4. a token (from a NEW_TOKEN frame)

The last isn't strictly necessary, but without it the server is likely to burn a round trip with a Retry packet to prove the client controls the source address.

On a given connection, there is only one server SETTINGS and Transport Parameters, though there may be multiple NewSessionTickets and tokens.

The first 3 pieces of state are necessarily required to have come from the same connection. A NST (from any connection) is needed since without it resumption can't happen. Transport Parameters and SETTINGS must come from somewhere for 0-RTT to be useful; the obvious and currently specified place is the SETTINGS and Transport Parameters that were sent on the same connection the NST came from.

There's no such need that the 4th piece of state come from the same connection as the others. The token is used to prove that the client controls the address the packet is purportedly coming from. This can be done separately from any crypto state (in the NST), application state (SETTINGS), or the rest of the transport state (Transport Parameters).

For a client to store the state needed for 0-RTT resumption, one possible implementation is to create cache entries containing an NST, TP, and SETTINGS. It's easy to do that where the TP and SETTINGS get duplicated N times, assuming N NSTs were received on a connection. If M tokens were received on that connection, and tokens need to be added to those cache entries, either the M tokens need to be paired to the N NSTs somehow, or all M tokens are in all N cache entries. This introduces noticeable complexity to a client's session cache implementation to correlate unrelated things.

It should be clarified that the client doesn't need to associate the token with the rest of the state needed for 0-RTT. #3150 has suggested wording for that clarification.

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----==_mimepart_5db2673a881b_364f3f95a84cd95c748e-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 20:22:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E0612006A for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:22:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xbb1wRdcEt8C for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D0FA120110 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:22:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=rNWz+hp4QP2Mj3DskmYOhE/NNLw=; b=YdJhomyxOu40I++Q xJD/AQ5NRD447OD6fPNlVSnAsCxWrTX8r/0PvCCOAzIbHCKQolJW5dtEa2/7zNSg zmAqN+oQEW/pwROwt083mPAKCIGs8xOqa75sS15o8W5VkHFGxr9C2eInsfDRFHM9 zkHonSyN1lcxCPNGMKrpPTeCPsw= Received: by filter2071p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter2071p1mdw1-27500-5DB267DA-18 2019-10-25 03:11:22.5178188 +0000 UTC m=+616621.353039197 Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) by ismtpd0036p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VsuP4BVuRHuewJutrgjUIw for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 03:11:22.442 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 03:11:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify the state a client stores with a token (#3150) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db267d5cfc8_61233fdefc4cd96410948a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3EohbUI9MFOXzC20TjdGjqlHV0aXkiJ50KwU ided0vnqxE0T07WMBmSxLxbT341+k5DmVBY8REGMxbyR5TqGnuSaHiuONoQoIeEntY+BrxhCwcsUpD wpMLa6jamT3sjpdyiyWYfQbI/EY2jFmile88Cz6MF77lzdUxlDWnjT9wvwhMofcjs8lGB4jlctfGap w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 03:22:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db267d5cfc8_61233fdefc4cd96410948a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If I handed out a session ticket for 0-RTT, but I wouldn't accept 0-RTT without a token, would it be reasonable for me to put additional information about 0-RTT in the token? The token is used for deciding whether the server believes the packet it's receiving actually comes from the address it says it's coming from. I could believe a server might trust a client only if it's doing a 1-RTT handshake, but not trust it if it's doing a 0-RTT handshake, so might encode that bit in the token. I don't think the server should be putting more specific bits like "this is the NST that should be used" or "here are the SETTINGS from the previous connection" in the token. If the server doesn't like a token it receives with a 0-RTT handshake, it can send a Retry packet but still continue with the 0-RTT crypto handshake (even though it's now 1-RTT from a transport perspective). I don't see the need for there to be fate sharing between accepting a token and accepting 0-RTT - a server can reject one without rejecting the other. I've created #3152 to express the problem statement as an issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#issuecomment-546182450 ----==_mimepart_5db267d5cfc8_61233fdefc4cd96410948a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If I handed out a session ticket for 0-RTT, but I wouldn't accept 0-RTT without a token, would it be reasonable for me to put additional information about 0-RTT in the token?

The token is used for deciding whether the server believes the packet it's receiving actually comes from the address it says it's coming from. I could believe a server might trust a client only if it's doing a 1-RTT handshake, but not trust it if it's doing a 0-RTT handshake, so might encode that bit in the token. I don't think the server should be putting more specific bits like "this is the NST that should be used" or "here are the SETTINGS from the previous connection" in the token.

If the server doesn't like a token it receives with a 0-RTT handshake, it can send a Retry packet but still continue with the 0-RTT crypto handshake (even though it's now 1-RTT from a transport perspective). I don't see the need for there to be fate sharing between accepting a token and accepting 0-RTT - a server can reject one without rejecting the other.

I've created #3152 to express the problem statement as an issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

Overall, I quite like this HANDSHAKE_DONE proposal. It seems obviously correct which, given our previous iterations is rather appealing :)

I agree with Ian that allowing the client to drop handshake keys when it receives an ACK of a 1-RTT packet sounds like a great optimization which helps ensure the keys get dropped quickly.

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----==_mimepart_5db27a361e131_6b913f893becd96c1200b-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 21:47:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C339E1200F6 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrj55IauQnaL for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B51212006E for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FC8520771 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:47:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571978873; bh=6lk2Ja8uiIHtXjXtg5hOg2GgXN0a785yh/gDKZhO0nc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qtPWPtL4M5fskcv3kZV9irTmnSfn6H1bHy0LWKmM3bxjSZdsj7+7Sx8v8O7BWw155 ykB9RcFIw7hUjLsKAb1bZgJJCE6LTNlGEd+Hil7OdN0YybxdzMrTN7NzXbNZn1y/c5 pH0aegX+EKkfYylGCVuPt35mGBNK+wSNcSdVpVDU= Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:47:53 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db27e7990a3f_189a3f84640cd96014313d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 04:47:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db27e7990a3f_189a3f84640cd96014313d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the simplicity of this proposal. The main downside I see is that it's possible for a server to never send HANDSHAKE_DONE. We could solve that however, by saying: - the server MUST send HANDSHAKE_DONE in all its 1-RTT packets once its handshake is complete and until one of them is ACKed - if the client receives an ACK for a 1-RTT packet it sent and has not seen HANDSHAKE_DONE, it MUST close the connection with a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546198996 ----==_mimepart_5db27e7990a3f_189a3f84640cd96014313d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I like the simplicity of this proposal. The main downside I see is that it's possible for a server to never send HANDSHAKE_DONE. We could solve that however, by saying:

  • the server MUST send HANDSHAKE_DONE in all its 1-RTT packets once its handshake is complete and until one of them is ACKed
  • if the client receives an ACK for a 1-RTT packet it sent and has not seen HANDSHAKE_DONE, it MUST close the connection with a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION

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----==_mimepart_5db27e7990a3f_189a3f84640cd96014313d-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 22:25:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5A71200EF for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:25:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1G_sWAoH-mPJ for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4342B1200E7 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:25:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571981124; bh=fsJhu4N4DRepfCNmVmjUyjXeMz/Pp2Fng6ZuwrFpYEA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zdbuXWUHFnrYQZSFpPrIX6At4tYEPG5atYvbRTONPJJd5sK7c1CGx8xGYdjr0a6jz Ad7HfzZY6PwjnNffPgWssO4WCsacPPW/X4CXoIVAXf/ltySnnFn1XCpUgvnHVaBl3N e57GpCtuJSMvDce2gfmXTYXQ6E2Xd899R6ZQ4ils= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db28744287e8_52cd3fc3164cd95c304686"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 05:25:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db28744287e8_52cd3fc3164cd95c304686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that we need clients to be policing server behaviour. Especially if it requires creating abnormal sending policies for frames. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546205911 ----==_mimepart_5db28744287e8_52cd3fc3164cd95c304686 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that we need clients to be policing server behaviour. Especially if it requires creating abnormal sending policies for frames.

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Commit: cd51ae103b6f0f221bed411e3c803a73cb1dcacb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd51ae103b6f0f221bed411e3c803a73cb1dcacb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-24 (Thu, 24 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a MUST discard requirement for bad SCID Commit: 6d5698c1c0059d7e6adb460829acd06aa8c74b68 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d5698c1c0059d7e6adb460829acd06aa8c74b68 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-24 (Thu, 24 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't say why, it just is Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: cea9e6e127f1600519448991f521c9bfbe29da05 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cea9e6e127f1600519448991f521c9bfbe29da05 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-24 (Thu, 24 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3147 from quicwg/retry-cid Servers have to change connection IDs in Retry Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/c140315b6db7...cea9e6e127f1 From nobody Thu Oct 24 22:27:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6901200F3 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:27:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h1vmpjXrA7MF for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6534A1200F4 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:27:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571981242; bh=STBMP08lJoiZFqgi7rmbnB/jNaop3oCudWit/lFkSdE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cnZ9wtMnKCMTeH7zm/kiz+JeK6/veGDj4K+iV9csPzwArulMbAQi/N/W8pNMr2exR Xn1YRgY9OSrVQhr+18t1CElN3agLTkPE3sKVbuPKB6lLN9wA1Yy3myj6XEIom69W3d tJa/SiUIAApcyOW9JyW3VSn1sJCrJzedm4Zcs17U= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does a Retry really need to change the CID? 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 24 22:59:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9912006F for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:59:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ybajn16JzjM7 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 051C11200F4 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:59:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571983171; bh=UB2nZmSHF9FhQR88Ve+BQAf7AFZ/0BWSqpxycaUzHgw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tY6UYExPudcvPhXu+BYO1QnvPHQfMVIRGJUPF3azOD8CMQXztQ98nGSgiGkYius5F uXHGJEnr21HOUcdM0KXH7nL/bZ4uqcco73K73dyiiSrXcPm+Qs5dTwwvgd/jnSSBes REyBKU24ibjR+CSBsPt2L3cPBPS62usVm18l0QTM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db28f434584e_413c3f913b0cd9682697c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 05:59:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db28f434584e_413c3f913b0cd9682697c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with @martinthomson here. I do not think we should make the protocol complex just for enforcing the correct behavior. Regarding clients using the receipt of an ACK for a 1-RTT packet as the alternative signal, I agree that that'd work, but I am not sure if we need to write it down. Writing it down (or mandating it) gives less incentive for the server to send HANDSHAKE_DONE. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546213435 ----==_mimepart_5db28f434584e_413c3f913b0cd9682697c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I tend to agree with @martinthomson here. I do not think we should make the protocol complex just for enforcing the correct behavior.

Regarding clients using the receipt of an ACK for a 1-RTT packet as the alternative signal, I agree that that'd work, but I am not sure if we need to write it down. Writing it down (or mandating it) gives less incentive for the server to send HANDSHAKE_DONE.

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----==_mimepart_5db28f434584e_413c3f913b0cd9682697c9-- From nobody Thu Oct 24 23:16:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54DB1200F6 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 23:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQujsmG5hIq2 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 23:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3965512006F for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2019 23:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 23:16:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1571984166; bh=n/Bs6CZeOjKX7ABLQtUn6k4u4lG6Y+y/4X1QWkOWbvw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hpfep/j7Iv/WGRjS8w83f2R78Jxcz+P2gwTLsWh1G1dpKpicjNOBRwo10F9BOVnSM KkyLf4NXy+u7h2sG2WW67oeX9NnDMOrZ1Fgb03ZDmpsh/hPBoGoFCy8kRXPKESSJ+R ORaVWhjFRAUA8obwun2aw6jXb3a3HiIiQ9rE/ICA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db29326557e7_e2a3fb8754cd96c1094be"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:16:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db29326557e7_e2a3fb8754cd96c1094be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS. The approach proposed in this PR has the following two properties: * sending one-way signal from to the client, when the server reaches handshake complete * use a frame as the conveyor of the signal It's good to see emerging consensus, but it seems to me that some are concerned about the second point. Specifically, I see suggestions to use a continuous signal (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546198996), or an ACK as a signal too (see https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#discussion_r338882222). **If** we are in fact unhappy with using a frame, then I might suggest using Key Update as the conveyor of the one-way signal. We can require the server to initiate a Key Update when the handshake is complete and to repeatedly send PINGs until it receives an ACK for one of them. That'd give us an continuous signal, and also removes the need for an alternative signal. And also the need to have a different frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546217403 ----==_mimepart_5db29326557e7_e2a3fb8754cd96c1094be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

PS. The approach proposed in this PR has the following two properties:=

  • sending one-way signal from to the client, when the server reaches ha= ndshake complete
  • use a frame as the conveyor of the signal

It's good to see emerging consensus, but it seems to me that some are= concerned about the second point. Specifically, I see suggestions to use= a continuous signal (#3145 (comment)), or an ACK as = a signal too (see #3145 (comment)).

If we are in fact unhappy with using a frame, then I = might suggest using Key Update as the conveyor of the one-way signal. We = can require the server to initiate a Key Update when the handshake is com= plete and to repeatedly send PINGs until it receives an ACK for one of th= em.

That'd give us an continuous signal, and also removes the need for an = alternative signal. And also the need to have a different frame.

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@DavidSchinazi I think that 1-RTT packets could be sent from the server before the handshake is confirmed in which case the HSD frame cannot be sent. Or if that is not the case, then any 1-RTT packet could be used as a HSD signal and we wouldn't need the frame.

But , I think it is a good idea to keep sending HSD frames in every packet until done because if the HDS frame is lost, there could be unnecessary delays.

As to client policing, that wouldn't work due to the above because of loss and reordering.

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While I am not too keen on @kazuho's key update because it conflates issues, it is the one benefit that it uses a header bit for a continous signal.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4150,8 +4154,10 @@ the client included in the Source Connection ID of the Initial packet.
 
 The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of
-the packet sent by the client.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the
-Destination Connection ID of subsequent packets that it sends.
+the packet sent by the client.  A client MUST discard a Retry packet that
+contains a Source Connection ID field that is identical to the Destination
+Connection ID field of its Initial packet.  The client MUST use this connection
+ID in the Destination Connection ID field of subsequent packets that it sends.

Post merge, but "The client MIST use this connection ID" reads as if it refers to the invalid duplicate ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum
+of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same
+as the recommended initial congestion window.
+

Sorry again late here... To we recommend a fixed value of 10 packets or do we recommend to have the burst limit the same as the initial window? E.g. if we decide in future to increase our recommendation for the initial window, should that also increase the recommendation for the burst limit? I guess to be really smart about this, you would need to say that you set the burst but initial window but decrease if you see tail loss in the initial burst (but that might be an overkill).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum
+of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same
+as the recommended initial congestion window.
+

Or you could say that there are different initial window and burst limits, which is probably OK. I don't think that we need to be that smart though.

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The use of "this" here was a bit ambiguous

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4150,8 +4154,10 @@ the client included in the Source Connection ID of the Initial packet.
 
 The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
 field.  This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of
-the packet sent by the client.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the
-Destination Connection ID of subsequent packets that it sends.
+the packet sent by the client.  A client MUST discard a Retry packet that
+contains a Source Connection ID field that is identical to the Destination
+Connection ID field of its Initial packet.  The client MUST use this connection
+ID in the Destination Connection ID field of subsequent packets that it sends.

#3153

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2096,7 +2096,7 @@ more likely to indicate an intentional migration rather than an attack.
 ## Loss Detection and Congestion Control {#migration-cc}
 
 The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
-Packets sent on the old path SHOULD NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
+Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.

Yes, good question. So I think it is correct that it is important to make sure that when you migrate you need to use a new cc context and not just keep using the old one. But I guess this was a SHOULD because using the old estimate as the new initial could make sense e.g. if you have very small RTTs or only a few ms. On the other hand, as Ian said, you should get a new sample with the validation anyway and therefore it should not have an impact. Do we maybe need more text to actually explain that?

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----==_mimepart_5db2f35a86ae6_34703fde8cacd960186113-- From nobody Fri Oct 25 06:10:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C05120288 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DZGL1lbd5VNh for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F21A812004E for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ABB6E1594 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:10:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572009050; bh=wmX0xlOikUWXeozDwJPZbSCFZtUMuqNwKYXqJyaYjrY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a+mfKxx7IKBW9hAalx6M98I7Ph6/pD0aIDLWa+4TnNWWt+HnusQG6IJduJouXBddj 6HicavhZV7bB8NYe2VTh70NFfwQhnMDHHCfpu8LIiJpNtkoek4evohOqbD44q3sNI1 85hggWdK9SI9yQgTci0vo0avxLjUCmb+T1vlItHI= Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:10:50 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify the state a client stores with a token (#3150) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db2f45a353f6_37fb3f8b24ecd9682857fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:10:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db2f45a353f6_37fb3f8b24ecd9682857fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're going to continue with 0-RTT, but not trust the token, why not just limit the amount sent by the amplification factor? The receipt of a Handshake packet constitutes path validation. Also, a Retry doesn't allow you to acknowledge the client's Initial or any 0-RTT packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#issuecomment-546347449 ----==_mimepart_5db2f45a353f6_37fb3f8b24ecd9682857fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If you're going to continue with 0-RTT, but not trust the token, why not just limit the amount sent by the amplification factor? The receipt of a Handshake packet constitutes path validation.

Also, a Retry doesn't allow you to acknowledge the client's Initial or any 0-RTT packets.

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----==_mimepart_5db2f45a353f6_37fb3f8b24ecd9682857fe-- From nobody Fri Oct 25 06:43:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE4D12087A for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:43:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZKXd4JS1rAKZ for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4459312086F for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:43:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572011004; bh=r1SVq/gYNVaTCpd0ELJNHWanCECHXTgppULNzZj/oC4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LXEmgtzYzJ0yK0QrlAZ/RPfahaBRdrn8Sd/DIpwqMBSUioY6IyXj/MnW+4syRrMll OhuA1nLxkYh382fHsgcpqqb6bVNgeX79akjXiQ8FXeUsj8mfTA5sOX5eH/QtztsSFg UVJW3wieTI3KZ5HtooEq/luNDM6ow+XcQNQGY1ZQ= From: Antoine Delignat-Lavaud Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] unrecoverable loss pattern leads to deadlock (#2863) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db2fbfc2cfae_57523fd38c8cd968102341"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ad-l X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:43:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db2fbfc2cfae_57523fd38c8cd968102341 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a much larger issue at stake here. The currently published proofs for the TLS 1.3 handshake do not allow the server to process 1-RTT packets until the client finished has been verified. It does not mean there is an attack, because of the defensive design of TLS 1.3 which implicitly authenticates the transcript in the transport secret derivation. However, this is still a weaker argument than checking the finish, particularly with respect to downgrade attacks. If a server supports a transport ciphersuite with broken integrity (e.g. someone discovers a way to forge CCM8 tags), then clients of this server that support strong ciphersuites may still be attacked. There is also a clear risk with client authentication. If a server is configured to require a client certificate, but QUIC gives to the application 1-RTT packets before the client finished flight has been received, the application may incorrectly believe that this data has passed the client authentication check. A reliable way to prevent such issues is to mandate that every 1-RTT packet sent by the client before the client finished frame is acknowledged by the server must include in the same datagram a copy of the finished frame (in the form of a separate handshake packet, before the short 1-RTT packet). The overhead is limited because finished messages are short, so even with the overhead of the long packet headers and AEAD tag, less than 100 bytes are used in the datagram (leaving the rest for the 1-RTT packet). If this is done, it is possible to enforce that a server must have checked the client finished before processing 1-RTT packets from the client. Adding some separate signal for handshake confirmation is a terrible idea - in TLS, receiving the peer's finished message IS the the explicit handshake confirmation signal (which is why CCS is removed in 1.3). Restoring a transport-level signal is a clear step backwards and must be avoided. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2863#issuecomment-546359389 ----==_mimepart_5db2fbfc2cfae_57523fd38c8cd968102341 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is a much larger issue at stake here. The currently published proofs for the TLS 1.3 handshake do not allow the server to process 1-RTT packets until the client finished has been verified. It does not mean there is an attack, because of the defensive design of TLS 1.3 which implicitly authenticates the transcript in the transport secret derivation. However, this is still a weaker argument than checking the finish, particularly with respect to downgrade attacks. If a server supports a transport ciphersuite with broken integrity (e.g. someone discovers a way to forge CCM8 tags), then clients of this server that support strong ciphersuites may still be attacked.

There is also a clear risk with client authentication. If a server is configured to require a client certificate, but QUIC gives to the application 1-RTT packets before the client finished flight has been received, the application may incorrectly believe that this data has passed the client authentication check.

A reliable way to prevent such issues is to mandate that every 1-RTT packet sent by the client before the client finished frame is acknowledged by the server must include in the same datagram a copy of the finished frame (in the form of a separate handshake packet, before the short 1-RTT packet). The overhead is limited because finished messages are short, so even with the overhead of the long packet headers and AEAD tag, less than 100 bytes are used in the datagram (leaving the rest for the 1-RTT packet). If this is done, it is possible to enforce that a server must have checked the client finished before processing 1-RTT packets from the client. Adding some separate signal for handshake confirmation is a terrible idea - in TLS, receiving the peer's finished message IS the the explicit handshake confirmation signal (which is why CCS is removed in 1.3). Restoring a transport-level signal is a clear step backwards and must be avoided.

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----==_mimepart_5db2fbfc2cfae_57523fd38c8cd968102341-- From nobody Fri Oct 25 07:05:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5B6120810 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:05:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I_fMKeowJ5l0 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE562120123 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:05:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572012342; bh=u6hhU5/1hJxs1M88noNiVNcvfc3HFe4hXXYfK6Uu0uo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XUWOYcMv59YuZSEvuMh2sfJ4w8h6sRuCMcbQhgrTakZ6CKZIgQaq0zEPl/181F8b0 JBKbR3DAHBvvHqPMtfoUhGcBofoJTUsjWzHO1H/lKibJKzKxc6UIm9jTuujFKBKaJ6 D9MK4z/x8nPAWkyAOzVltV0arcOMFSzCAAaSxhL0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db30136e731_6bc13fa80facd96415204"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:05:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db30136e731_6bc13fa80facd96415204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > PS. The approach proposed in this PR has the following two properties: > > * sending one-way signal from to the client, when the server reaches handshake complete > * use a frame as the conveyor of the signal > > It's good to see emerging consensus (on the first point), but it seems to me that some are concerned about the second point. Specifically, I see suggestions to use a continuous signal ([#3145 (comment)](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546198996)), or an ACK as a signal too (see [#3145 (comment)](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#discussion_r338882222)). > > **If** we are in fact unhappy with using a frame, then I might suggest using Key Update as the conveyor of the one-way signal. We can require the server to initiate a Key Update when the handshake is complete and to repeatedly send PINGs until it receives an ACK for one of them. > > That'd give us an continuous signal, and also removes the need for an alternative signal. And also the need to have a different frame. I also had this thought, but flipping the key update bit doesn't force something to be sent until it's acknowledged, which this frame does. We could do both if we thought it was very important for every packet to have the signal, but I'm not convinced it's worthwhile. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546368334 ----==_mimepart_5db30136e731_6bc13fa80facd96415204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PS. The approach proposed in this PR has the following two properties:

  • sending one-way signal from to the client, when the server reaches handshake complete
  • use a frame as the conveyor of the signal

It's good to see emerging consensus (on the first point), but it seems to me that some are concerned about the second point. Specifically, I see suggestions to use a continuous signal (#3145 (comment)), or an ACK as a signal too (see #3145 (comment)).

If we are in fact unhappy with using a frame, then I might suggest using Key Update as the conveyor of the one-way signal. We can require the server to initiate a Key Update when the handshake is complete and to repeatedly send PINGs until it receives an ACK for one of them.

That'd give us an continuous signal, and also removes the need for an alternative signal. And also the need to have a different frame.

I also had this thought, but flipping the key update bit doesn't force something to be sent until it's acknowledged, which this frame does. We could do both if we thought it was very important for every packet to have the signal, but I'm not convinced it's worthwhile.

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----==_mimepart_5db30136e731_6bc13fa80facd96415204-- From nobody Fri Oct 25 07:21:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB776120123 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QxT8JOgJp3mW for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5567C120122 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536BC2C329D for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572013278; bh=NSncccbjdPe/4UQMScwCdsq5tgI2QwL0C44i+MUuk2Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Gqza7ZRTsyV8K2B/aAeJ2jh4duEr2xNGU1CZ2+9AgNxhxJ5v3+I1zWIvOR7dLMS/M 23UIAEO7C3Iyw5GFmV6+9Bj41GIhlfeSKBn2Gu1ARX/8wEg4y4v1BsT83jho1sh3sr FcuqtPijKDx/S97jflffLznRMVMnL/B2MfEJqSIc= Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:21:18 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add initial threat model to security considerations (#2925) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db304de446c4_4ea53ffd7cecd95c10757f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:21:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db304de446c4_4ea53ffd7cecd95c10757f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just had a quick read, and this looks fine (maybe there is an option to remove some redundancy but not sure). However, I would have expected that this would also talk about likability. Or do we already cover hat somewhere else? More generally I think it would be helpful to add some text at the beginning to not only define the attackers capabilities but also its intention, so the (goal of) the attack itself. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2925#issuecomment-546374184 ----==_mimepart_5db304de446c4_4ea53ffd7cecd95c10757f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I just had a quick read, and this looks fine (maybe there is an option to remove some redundancy but not sure). However, I would have expected that this would also talk about likability. Or do we already cover hat somewhere else? More generally I think it would be helpful to add some text at the beginning to not only define the attackers capabilities but also its intention, so the (goal of) the attack itself.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

Makes sense, I forgot 0-RTT wasn't automatically re-sent in IETF QUIC.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum
+of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same
+as the recommended initial congestion window.
+

That's a good point. We could swap the sentence and say "same as the initial congestion window, which is recommended to be ..." if you think it's preferable. But I'm also not sure it matters much.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1119,7 +1125,7 @@ PeerNotAwaitingAddressValidation():
          has received 1-RTT ACK
 
 SetLossDetectionTimer():
-  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestLossTime()
+  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 25 11:33:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1227E1208E1 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CNM9GFc_lTPa for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C6041208EF for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:33:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572028395; bh=Lmf+lVyxpGwGgPu8fRQZaeZHi9051hwxeVe5AOqD/gU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Rgy+JEFfYVagoPBmZTvaVuYrUVOj3F6CK6DuA2S6UWHqmktllyO6CSSXEKcdm90rf CtTiTaOl0lNaNX0QF2eOEiQfHDec5rMzwbfvNifrrvhwBDUC/9DRLryB7rPJZsDzqd O0RzWMVyJd3Slmec/vQpSwVZ+35wM25DcE43dqX8= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db33feb9a638_49243fe3058cd96c21292b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 18:33:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db33feb9a638_49243fe3058cd96c21292b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The part I care about here is that we disallow some protocol features (such as migration) until the handshake is confirmed. So I want to make sure the server cannot prevent the client from confirming the handshake. If we explicitly write that the client receiving an ACK for a 1-RTT packet can treat that like receipt of HANDSHAKE_DONE, then I'm fine with this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#issuecomment-546463921 ----==_mimepart_5db33feb9a638_49243fe3058cd96c21292b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The part I care about here is that we disallow some protocol features (such as migration) until the handshake is confirmed. So I want to make sure the server cannot prevent the client from confirming the handshake. If we explicitly write that the client receiving an ACK for a 1-RTT packet can treat that like receipt of HANDSHAKE_DONE, then I'm fine with this.

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Hi @ad-l, since you're describing a "much larger issue" that I agree should be discussed, could you please open a separate issue? This issue is about a specific deadlock that can happen during the handshake, not about the security properties of the handshake.

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@rpaulo that is not my recollection. Either way, this is a PR, we can discuss non-editorial changes on the appropriate issue.

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Fielding" Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db35657b08d3_3bc23fd22dccd96048772"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: royfielding X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 20:09:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db35657b08d3_3bc23fd22dccd96048772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Honestly, I think people are responding based on "I don't want to change my imagination of what the diagrams show" versus any sensible understanding of the examples in use: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.6.2 ``` 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Stream Type (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.6.2.2 ``` 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | 0x01 (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Push ID (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.7.2 ``` 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Frame Payload (*) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` There is absolutely no value to these diagrams as a "mental model", in any way shape or form. They are simply misleading because they look like they contain information when they actually contain a list of ordered names of unknown length. The prose already contains that. These are not the only ones -- there are eight more useless diagrams in that draft alone. There are some good diagrams of the same thing in other QUIC drafts, basically the ones containing bitfields, but even those lose sensibility as soon as a varint appears. They would ALL be fine if they illustrated actual examples values and how their 0/1 bits were laid out. But they don't. They don't even come close in that middle example above. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3115#issuecomment-546494948 ----==_mimepart_5db35657b08d3_3bc23fd22dccd96048772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Honestly, I think people are responding based on "I don't want to change my imagination of what the diagrams show" versus any sensible understanding of the examples in use:

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.6.2

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                        Stream Type (i)                      ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.6.2.2

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                           0x01 (i)                          ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Push ID (i)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.7.2

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                           Type (i)                          ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Length (i)                         ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                       Frame Payload (*)                     ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

There is absolutely no value to these diagrams as a "mental model", in any way shape or form. They are simply misleading because they look like they contain information when they actually contain a list of ordered names of unknown length. The prose already contains that.

These are not the only ones -- there are eight more useless diagrams in that draft alone. There are some good diagrams of the same thing in other QUIC drafts, basically the ones containing bitfields, but even those lose sensibility as soon as a varint appears.

They would ALL be fine if they illustrated actual examples values and how their 0/1 bits were laid out. But they don't. They don't even come close in that middle example above.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

I guess the only danger is that putting in this backstop makes it semi-OK for servers to not bother to send HANDSHAKE_DONE as an optimization, and then all the client data goes in 0RTT packets and we end up in the deadlock.

I would rather noncompliance result in holding keys, rather than good connections timing out.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,9 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame within
+one round-trip time of handshake completion.

I agree with @ianswett. The handshake isn't complete when we have 0.5RTT data. In fact, if the frame goes out then, we can easily have the client discard the handshake keys before getting ACK of its finished.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

The server could also not send anything in Handshake and force the client to continue using 0RTT packets, which seems equivalent to what you're describing? If so, then this is nothing new.

Maybe we need more motivating text about why you really need to send HANDSHAKE_DONE, but I think this design is generally quite efficient.

If we REALLY want to ensure the client gets the signal, we can add a key phase flip between 0.5RTT and 1RTT as well, but then do we change keys as well?

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@martinduke commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -385,13 +385,9 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question.
 
 ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed}
 
-In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.

@ianswett That's definitely not what I was talking about. But I see now that my example is not right.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1119,7 +1125,7 @@ PeerNotAwaitingAddressValidation():
          has received 1-RTT ACK
 
 SetLossDetectionTimer():
-  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestLossTime()
+  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_times)

loss_time is a global variable, loss_times is not defined.
This should be

earliest_loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum
+of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same
+as the recommended initial congestion window.
+

I think that explicitly saying "Initial congestion window" here as the primary target of the MUST requirement would be better.

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An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake -keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake. Most application protocols -will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow -both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly. Endpoints that do -not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send -ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be -confirmed when they are acknowledged. +An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed +({{handshake-confirmed}}). The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame within +one round-trip time of handshake completion. @ianswett > If the server is sending HANDSHAKE_DONE, isn't it no longer 0.5RTT data? Yes. This is 1 RTT, *not* 0.5 RTT. Regarding when HANDSHAKE_DONE should be sent, my view is that it HANDSHAKE_DONE is essentially an ACK for the Handshake packet. Based on that view, I do not see a reason why it should be sent at a different timing than other acks for Handshake packets (i.e. send immediately, though an endpoint might wait for a short amount of time to bundle ACK with some other data). In practice, there is no reason to delay the emission of HANDSHAKE_DONE as much as 1 RTT in HTTP/3. The server should be sending HANDSHAKE_DONE at an early moment for letting the client know that the handshake is done before the client retransmits CF, doing so has a higher probability of having CWND increased at an earlier point. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#discussion_r339292488 ----==_mimepart_5db406fcb866b_309f3f8f834cd96473764 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -760,14 +756,9 @@ and ignoring any outstanding Initial packets.
 
 ### Discarding Handshake Keys
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT discard its handshake keys until the TLS handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}).  An endpoint SHOULD discard its handshake
-keys as soon as it has confirmed the handshake.  Most application protocols
-will send data after the handshake, resulting in acknowledgements that allow
-both endpoints to discard their handshake keys promptly.  Endpoints that do
-not have reason to send immediately after completing the handshake MAY send
-ack-eliciting frames, such as PING, which will cause the handshake to be
-confirmed when they are acknowledged.
+An endpoint MUST discard its handshake keys when the TLS handshake is confirmed
+({{handshake-confirmed}}).  The server MUST send a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame within
+one round-trip time of handshake completion.

@ianswett

If the server is sending HANDSHAKE_DONE, isn't it no longer 0.5RTT data?

Yes. This is 1 RTT, not 0.5 RTT.

Regarding when HANDSHAKE_DONE should be sent, my view is that it HANDSHAKE_DONE is essentially an ACK for the Handshake packet. Based on that view, I do not see a reason why it should be sent at a different timing than other acks for Handshake packets (i.e. send immediately, though an endpoint might wait for a short amount of time to bundle ACK with some other data).

In practice, there is no reason to delay the emission of HANDSHAKE_DONE as much as 1 RTT in HTTP/3. The server should be sending HANDSHAKE_DONE at an early moment for letting the client know that the handshake is done before the client retransmits CF, doing so has a higher probability of having CWND increased at an earlier point.

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I agree with Roy. I see how we got here, but I think at this point some kind of specification language (TLS or otherwise) would be far better.

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----==_mimepart_5db6229a96d4a_3b553fd4e7ccd96c1755cc-- From nobody Sun Oct 27 17:05:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E87D12004D for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68I6_TZ2x78n for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42A21120046 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D122C0B97 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:05:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572221146; bh=FBXcF/3BhrQBhz3OgxINnz6qMZMABT5otN8qIVcPccI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Xomdkbv3lPpQgatUKvSbC8n5cFRzPWzdmiOYBZoGHbAg6n7Z6yeKBvwvyJZgDum5c nUUhEAqIWrn44amhB/QRZ6jAkkAinYuKHGLUpBuBer4Due0G6NdUIw2TgZNVLHhk3E uXuUufZvFdW/VjgysaXg/leMyBlhK/uFF95slxK4= Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:05:46 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db630da76656_79cc3fc39cccd96421852c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:05:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db630da76656_79cc3fc39cccd96421852c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the person that created many of the HTTP/3 frame diagrams I apologise for raising your ire :) As someone that mainly came into IETF via HTTP/2, my main motivation for diagramming the frames in HTTP/3 was for consistency when switching back and forth between drafts. For example, single variable frames are diagrammed in RFC 7540 so it did seem inconsistent to skip them (to @MikeBishop's point). I'd experienced several occasions (myself and others) where the lack of a diagram had led to some oversight when implementing the specification - even if that is not their intended purpose because they are duplicatory of text. That said, I do see the point you are making. For instance, I opened https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2338 to point out the problem with the diagram in section 6.2.2. I think the diagram is a problem but Mike closed it as no-one seemed to care at the time. However, I'd like to highlight that RFC 7540 has, in part, the problem you are describing where fields of unknown length are represented by the `*` character. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-6.2 ``` +---------------+ |Pad Length? (8)| +-+-------------+-----------------------------------------------+ |E| Stream Dependency? (31) | +-+-------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Weight? (8) | +-+-------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Header Block Fragment (*) ... +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Padding (*) ... +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Figure 7: HEADERS Frame Payload ``` Is your complaint about the QUIC specs caused by the top line of each diagram that show the 32-bit space, or do you think we got it wrong with H2 also? FWIW I think there could be merit in defining a more structured syntax for Frames and Streams - especially as we look forward to new versions and extensions of QUIC because we should make it pretty straightforward for new contributors to pick up and go. However, I see a change at this stage being a bunch of editorial work. 2) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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As the person that created many of the HTTP/3 frame diagrams I apologise for raising your ire :)

As someone that mainly came into IETF via HTTP/2, my main motivation for diagramming the frames in HTTP/3 was for consistency when switching back and forth between drafts. For example, single variable frames are diagrammed in RFC 7540 so it did seem inconsistent to skip them (to @MikeBishop's point). I'd experienced several occasions (myself and others) where the lack of a diagram had led to some oversight when implementing the specification - even if that is not their intended purpose because they are duplicatory of text.

That said, I do see the point you are making. For instance, I opened #2338 to point out the problem with the diagram in section 6.2.2. I think the diagram is a problem but Mike closed it as no-one seemed to care at the time.

However, I'd like to highlight that RFC 7540 has, in part, the problem you are describing where fields of unknown length are represented by the * character.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-6.2

    +---------------+
    |Pad Length? (8)|
    +-+-------------+-----------------------------------------------+
    |E|                 Stream Dependency? (31)                     |
    +-+-------------+-----------------------------------------------+
    |  Weight? (8)  |
    +-+-------------+-----------------------------------------------+
    |                   Header Block Fragment (*)                 ...
    +---------------------------------------------------------------+
    |                           Padding (*)                       ...
    +---------------------------------------------------------------+

                      Figure 7: HEADERS Frame Payload

Is your complaint about the QUIC specs caused by the top line of each diagram that show the 32-bit space, or do you think we got it wrong with H2 also?

FWIW I think there could be merit in defining a more structured syntax for Frames and Streams - especially as we look forward to new versions and extensions of QUIC because we should make it pretty straightforward for new contributors to pick up and go. However, I see a change at this stage being a bunch of editorial work.
2)

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----==_mimepart_5db630da76656_79cc3fc39cccd96421852c-- From nobody Sun Oct 27 17:35:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B612612008D for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R7CjZi7WIML8 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FE84120046 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 551AA660A70 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572222952; bh=8E1oYUlDrz5NmttX87U6a2VzvKoff9SnIPWjjMM4BcA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=i2lMcJA67Tf2iMk5kKmEl2T9PjpEUTj44HSAJS4L0o0SSMx4yhZ6JN0S9adxHXcP4 m9wTpPvDngAEx/TXRfvUQF/g/SvvF7MYirdN74zdTqxDpGB3O/fBcoYRk5M/eDctws kMu+aKTwmT+YKUlDZxlUvDAL9Xb3+k7pA6N/XdF8= Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:35:52 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db637e843703_4b7d3f85088cd96828847f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:35:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db637e843703_4b7d3f85088cd96828847f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I agree with @LPardue that for HTTP/3 it is beneficial to use same notation as in HTTP/2. I'd assume that we would be seeing extensions that cover both HTTP/2 and /3. It would be confusing to the readers of those specifications to understand two different notations. I do not have a strong opinion on the transport draft. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3115#issuecomment-546752173 ----==_mimepart_5db637e843703_4b7d3f85088cd96828847f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I agree with @LPardue that for HTTP/3 it is beneficial to use same notation as in HTTP/2. I'd assume that we would be seeing extensions that cover both HTTP/2 and /3. It would be confusing to the readers of those specifications to understand two different notations.

I do not have a strong opinion on the transport draft.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Oct 27 21:08:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B021200D8 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZOn5LfLXmzm for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 810BC120044 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:07:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572235678; bh=uhCSsHP0KVTF9DIfGYq7686cEGwwLfsjFInlb+NyBcM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yoc7wUSDG8FSHxctsYsKVBI0d5uj/0ooFn4PAIGKC11CRqRs8z9LwHSEq+y3sgsLG sao8s+gULe87WZyU3kDlQ4XyuIFKmKbocU+p7z0N0gWiR7dAQcjkriLteWb35E3lmV wggxz4Ahl+ZLrKLnPaFg9lmPek8+/2fqBZLXha9U= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] The method of identifying "the same server" (#3155) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db6699e90ae9_14283fcc26acd9601091d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 04:08:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db6699e90ae9_14283fcc26acd9601091d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, [section 8.1.2 of the transport draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.8.1.2) states that a resumption token can be used "_if the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection to what it believes to be the same server._" But what does "the same server" actually mean? Some possible answers include: * a) the same server IP address * b) the same server IP address and port * c) any server name that was presented in the certificate provided in the previous connection (the scope of session tickets; see [RFC 8446; section 4.6.1]( https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-4.6.1)) * d) the same server-name * e) the same server-name and ALPN (the scope of 0-RTT; see [RFC 8446; section 4.2.10](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-4.2.10)) I'd presume it to be one of a, b, or c, but I think it'd be better to clarify what "the same server" actually means. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3155 ----==_mimepart_5db6699e90ae9_14283fcc26acd9601091d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At the moment, section 8.1.2 of the transport draft states that a resumption token can be used "if the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection to what it believes to be the same server."

But what does "the same server" actually mean?

Some possible answers include:

  • a) the same server IP address
  • b) the same server IP address and port
  • c) any server name that was presented in the certificate provided in the previous connection (the scope of session tickets; see RFC 8446; section 4.6.1)
  • d) the same server-name
  • e) the same server-name and ALPN (the scope of 0-RTT; see RFC 8446; section 4.2.10)

I'd presume it to be one of a, b, or c, but I think it'd be better to clarify what "the same server" actually means.

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----==_mimepart_5db6699e90ae9_14283fcc26acd9601091d8-- From nobody Sun Oct 27 21:36:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725991200DE for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iT0VGVuCfvDU for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9376C1200DB for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:36:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572237365; bh=RP2BeBgpJUUcCzO8r+PQp8btsVs9raA3XiIcNHoRIIA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cYKvn0vIEAv8o4F4AuuFNDxD1VubFVo4rSfOO7Y4/j3ySd6L8PREH2TQ7aLvj887G +cgr4nykfWEoMl5uGZLbKyQXsyvlA0VeqFA6goix5xJPu33yyaL6zDK6u7XNMMBUUH B9HNacLY/u+M4lSWR/ynGy0CB4+ygbqYm0YZKWxw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Client storage of tokens should be independent of other stored state (#3152) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db67035b16b2_440d3fc601ecd9646134d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 04:36:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db67035b16b2_440d3fc601ecd9646134d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As pointed out in @martinthomson in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#pullrequestreview-306953063, the proposed change essentially forbids a server from storing SETTINGS in the token. I think I'm persuaded by @nharper's argument above that we'd better forbid such coordination, as it would be a burden to certain client implementations. OTOH, I think that untying the relationship between session tickets and tokens does open a new issue, see #3155. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3152#issuecomment-546787640 ----==_mimepart_5db67035b16b2_440d3fc601ecd9646134d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As pointed out in @martinthomson in #3150 (r= eview), the proposed change essentially forbids a server from storing= SETTINGS in the token. I think I'm persuaded by @nharper's argume= nt above that we'd better forbid such coordination, as it would be a burd= en to certain client implementations.

OTOH, I think that untying the relationship between session tickets an= d tokens does open a new issue, see #3155.

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IIRC, @martinthomson pointed out that the scope of tokens should be as tight as that of the session tickets (i.e. option c), due to the following reason.

Consider the case of a split-server deployment (i.e. a gateway with a single IP address mapping connections to different QUIC servers in the backend, based on SNI). If we are to adopt option a or option b, one of those backend servers might issue a token, that would then be used by the client when connecting to a different backend server that shares the same gateway. This means that the party controlling the server that issued the token can see that the same client connected to a different server, assuming that the party can observe the traffic that goes into the load balancer.

To avoid the leak, the scope of NEW_TOKEN tokens should be at most the set of the server-names that the issuer of the token is authoritative for; which means option c.

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This PR clarifies that the scope of a NEW_TOKEN is equivalent to that of the TLS connection (i.e., the scope of the server certificate).

Closes #3155.

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  • clarify the scope of a NEW_TOKEN token

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#3156 is an attempt to clarify option c being the choice.

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----==_mimepart_5db69093b479b_109f3fd5002cd96c46264-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 00:42:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC91201E0 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:42:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7VHr3j8YXph for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C23D1201DC for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B58960505 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:42:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572248571; bh=aRxUg2Ywq/JGuRadsdz4dnZyt7JZWN4r2WC63POoJRY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oaVrHo7ZRg6YoUrRGaT/kGowqki5ynM3NWSoQOH48T8dFVIUyVaWYZjKHZrcvKQfu +cyqdcd04NxrioHQrrVz/qe85nApMCe5ERN6+GLjgirhmEVO+Cqb8wSG7BPDh19Hxd cAtzmyjS1N1VBpZSsAufN2gyqQdtRuwdJalSsKw8= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 00:42:51 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Backoff on CONNECTION_CLOSE (#3157) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db69bfba4bb6_52753fd64e6cd9641549c4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:42:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db69bfba4bb6_52753fd64e6cd9641549c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The PR clarifies the following: * An endpoint that drops the keys when entering closing state MUST back-off the frequency of CONNECTION_CLOSE packets that it sends. * An endpoint that does not drop the keys stops sending CONNECTION_CLOSE packet once it receives a packet containing CONNECTION_CLOSE. The first point is what we have discussed in #3095. The second point is something we have not discussed, though I think it has been implied. Closes #3095. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3157 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify that: -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (22) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3157.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3157.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3157 ----==_mimepart_5db69bfba4bb6_52753fd64e6cd9641549c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The PR clarifies the following:

  • An endpoint that drops the keys when entering closing state MUST back-off the frequency of CONNECTION_CLOSE packets that it sends.
  • An endpoint that does not drop the keys stops sending CONNECTION_CLOSE packet once it receives a packet containing CONNECTION_CLOSE.

The first point is what we have discussed in #3095. The second point is something we have not discussed, though I think it has been implied.

Closes #3095.

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  • Clarify that:

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In #3157, I've gone with

  • SHOULD limit when you retain packet protection keys (as you can stop sending packets once you receive CONNECTION_CLOSE)
  • MUST limit when you drop packet protection keys (as you do not know when to stop)

Re #3095 (comment), while we can define a rule based on how endpoints use CIDs, I think I prefer having a rule based on how a stack is implemented (i.e. when you drop packet protection keys) rather than how a stack is configured (i.e. the way CIDs are used). IMO, the latter is harder to test and therefore fragile.

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I had a little trouble following the logic here; I have a few suggestions. > @@ -2379,15 +2379,19 @@ terminate the connection immediately. A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. -After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing -state. During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE -frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet -containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. To minimize the state that an endpoint -maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet. -However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a -CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase -the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or -increase the time between packets. +After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the +closing state. During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with +another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet +that contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. However, such an endpoint SHOULD limit Time for a new paragraph. And the "However, " doesn't really need to be here as this no longer relates to the former sentence in any contradictory way. ```suggestion that contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. An endpoint SHOULD limit ``` But I *think* that your "However" here refers to the bit where the endpoint drops keys, which comes much later in the paragraph. Is that right? > -containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. To minimize the state that an endpoint -maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet. -However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a -CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase -the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or -increase the time between packets. +After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the +closing state. During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with +another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet +that contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. However, such an endpoint SHOULD limit +the number of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For +instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it +receives before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets. +An endpoint that drops the packet protection keys when entering the closing +period and therefore being unable to decrypt the incoming packets MUST My suggestion, which should be a new paragraph: > An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing period and send the same packet multiple times. However, an endpoint that cannot process incoming packets will be unable to identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid creating an unwitting amplification attack, an endpoint that drops packet protection keys MUST reduce the frequency with which it sends packets containing CONNECTION_CLOSE. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I had a little trouble following the logic here; I have a few suggesti= ons.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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But I think that your "However" here refers to the bit where = the endpoint drops keys, which comes much later in the paragraph. Is tha= t right?

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My suggestion, which should be a new paragraph:

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An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing = period and send the same packet multiple times. However, an endpoint tha= t cannot process incoming packets will be unable to identify and discard = invalid packets. To avoid creating an unwitting amplification attack, an= endpoint that drops packet protection keys MUST reduce the frequency wit= h which it sends packets containing CONNECTION_CLOSE.

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At the moment, CONNECTION_CLOSE (0x1d) (i.e. the application-level close) is allowed "in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT." (TLS draft, section 4).

I think that it cannot be sent or received in an Initial or Handshake packets, as only the QUIC and TLS are interacting at that layer. Note that the application protocol might not have been determined when Initial / Handshake packets are exchanged (before the server returns the EE indicating which application protocol has been chosen).

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----==_mimepart_5db6b39b51be2_2c823fa8816cd964161954-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 02:24:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0921200DF for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MKbfnnTazFLV for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE74712003F for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC2A1C305E for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:24:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572254647; bh=njkqDWEODgnTpxMDnaNbuRsCwkUl4JoVVxMGPCrwJgI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xdK1y+75Fq7OUfPXjw2xIxb4BNi61Ha91xsDQf3YgLt8MjaRFkMbtmWi5awC7+jfA 6tYEViWPnqOpKhp8OQk9bTIRUf/8S6E5hChJ90TfA6r0bugqM8/VOGYdUxxnI39q6Y yZengiX1yuqO6eJqivKSwRsLX83ILGjey2/k+Tj0= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:24:07 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify the scope of a NEW_TOKEN token (#3156) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db6b3b7bcc47_3bd33fb0506cd96021117a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:24:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db6b3b7bcc47_3bd33fb0506cd96021117a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token. It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. -If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the -Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the ```suggestion A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable to any server that the ``` > @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token. It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. -If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the -Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the +connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the +certificate). A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server ```suggestion certificate). A client SHOULD only use a token that is applicable to the server ``` We don't need to prevent a client from using a token from one server on a completely different one. That won't *work*, but the server needs to protect itself against outdated tokens and attack, so they shouldn't outright reject the connection. > @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token. It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. -If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the -Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the +connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the +certificate). A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server +that the client is connecting to to. If the client has a token received in a +NEW_TOKEN frame that is applicable to a new connection attempt, it SHOULD Rephrase: A client SHOULD use an applicable and previously unused token when connecting to a server. Including a token in an Initial packet could allow the server to validate the client address without an additional round trip. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3156#pullrequestreview-307714882 ----==_mimepart_5db6b3b7bcc47_3bd33fb0506cd96021117a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Two choices:

  1. no problem: let the application decide to use Handshake to abort a connection it doesn't want any more.

  2. problem: force the application to use 1-RTT packets to express its discontent.

I can see reasons for either.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different
 connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 
-If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
-Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the
+connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the
+certificate).  A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server

I thought you had an argument that we need a prohibition here; see #3155 (comment).

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----==_mimepart_5db6b4577a556_6dd23f989a6cd96018611b-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 02:32:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2DE120809 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j0t9WU6MqRrF for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27808120848 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:32:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572255149; bh=wS9924M8XrIZM0ZiAqn3NLM5NnAv4GjhqVITnFc6LYw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JTxIZWh2qNy91+4TDRIErQATlkZx+OGauGdOwD6nRv0GiUlpFPRU+FkbRqmQOhCFf jp42cxnqv4xY2FxHWrKpT8u8t3MJ/CLDdSENZdGQn69+J3HuBP+3KueFGohdvm9Ow4 5ODnnUP+I86a2rbG5UhmdNQjt5FWDm10UgRvlnOk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify the scope of a NEW_TOKEN token (#3156) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db6b5ad3c04c_4a9b3fe1e88cd96c11033f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:32:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db6b5ad3c04c_4a9b3fe1e88cd96c11033f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token. It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. -If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the -Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the +connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the +certificate). A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server I don't remember making that argument, but I guess I could have said that. The particular "attack" requires having a server privileged or capable enough to recognize a token from a different server with a fair degree of confidence. For NEW_TOKEN, I can maybe see how that would happen though. I'm OK with a MUST. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3156#discussion_r339466782 ----==_mimepart_5db6b5ad3c04c_4a9b3fe1e88cd96c11033f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different
 connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 
-If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
-Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the
+connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the
+certificate).  A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server

I don't remember making that argument, but I guess I could have said that.

The particular "attack" requires having a server privileged or capable enough to recognize a token from a different server with a fair degree of confidence. For NEW_TOKEN, I can maybe see how that would happen though. I'm OK with a MUST.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2379,15 +2379,19 @@ terminate the connection immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all
 streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be
 implicitly reset.
 
-After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing
-state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet
-containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with
+another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet

Why would it receive a packet with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame? The peer won't send a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so this condition would only occur by pure coincidence.
I don't think we need any text describing this corner case.

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As stated above, I think option 1 is problematic in sense that the endpoint might not know which application protocol it is taking, though the error code being used is specific to the application protocol.

Even for Handshake packets it is hard to tell if the peer has learnt the application protocol in use, as CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE might get delivered out of order.

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Another issue with option 1 is that we might leak sensitive data.

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This allows the server to send application data without waiting for the client finished flight (a feature sometimes called 0.5-RTT in the TLS WG). This is safe because checking the peer's finished message is only required for receiving, and the finished must be received before any application traffic when using the TLS record layer. In QUIC, the server may receive 1-RTT packets before the client finished. This can happen because of packet loss, or an active adversary deliberately dropping handshake packets from the client, or because the client is malicious and does not send its finished flight at all. As far as I understand, the current QUIC spec allows the server to process the 1-RTT packets and hand them to the application without waiting for the client finished. Doing this falls outside the scope of what is currently proved secure about the TLS handshake, and it leads to multiple problems: - Deadlock when the network drops the client finished flight: see #2863 - Potential to bypass client authentication requirements: if a server is configured with required client certificate authentication during the handshake (e.g. for access control to a service), a client may send the request before the client finished flight. If QUIC passes the request to the application, it may incorrectly believe that the client has been authenticated. - Potential for downgrade attacks: the client finished is used to explicitly authenticate the negotiation of algorithms in the handshake. Due to its defensive design, TLS 1.3 also implicitly authenticates the transcript in the transport secret derivation. However, the implicit authentication only holds for strong AEAD algorithms, whereas the explicit authentication relies on strong hash algorithms (and/or signature, depending on the mode). A reliable way to prevent all of these issues is to mandate that every 1-RTT packet sent by the client before the client finished frame is acknowledged by the server must include in the same datagram a copy of the finished packet (the same handshake packet may be sent in multiple datagrams). The overhead is limited because finished messages are short, so even with the overhead of the long packet headers and AEAD tag, less than 100 bytes are used in the datagram (leaving the rest for the 1-RTT short packet). If this is done, it is possible to enforce that a server must have checked the client finished before processing 1-RTT packets from the client. Adding a new transport-level signal for handshake confirmation (as proposed in #3145) is a bad idea - in TLS, receiving the peer's finished message IS the the explicit handshake confirmation signal (which is why CCS is removed in 1.3). Instead, QUIC should simply ensure that the signal has been received. It's only an issue on the server side, because clients cannot decrypt 1-RTT packets without processing the server finished. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159 ----==_mimepart_5db6c6fbc67f_f173fcb422cd95c125278 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In TLS 1.3, 1-RTT secrets can be derived once the server finished is computed, when the handshake is half-complete. This allows the server to send application data without waiting for the client finished flight (a feature sometimes called 0.5-RTT in the TLS WG). This is safe because checking the peer's finished message is only required for receiving, and the finished must be received before any application traffic when using the TLS record layer.

In QUIC, the server may receive 1-RTT packets before the client finished. This can happen because of packet loss, or an active adversary deliberately dropping handshake packets from the client, or because the client is malicious and does not send its finished flight at all. As far as I understand, the current QUIC spec allows the server to process the 1-RTT packets and hand them to the application without waiting for the client finished. Doing this falls outside the scope of what is currently proved secure about the TLS handshake, and it leads to multiple problems:

  • Deadlock when the network drops the client finished flight: see #2863
  • Potential to bypass client authentication requirements: if a server is configured with required client certificate authentication during the handshake (e.g. for access control to a service), a client may send the request before the client finished flight. If QUIC passes the request to the application, it may incorrectly believe that the client has been authenticated.
  • Potential for downgrade attacks: the client finished is used to explicitly authenticate the negotiation of algorithms in the handshake. Due to its defensive design, TLS 1.3 also implicitly authenticates the transcript in the transport secret derivation. However, the implicit authentication only holds for strong AEAD algorithms, whereas the explicit authentication relies on strong hash algorithms (and/or signature, depending on the mode).

A reliable way to prevent all of these issues is to mandate that every 1-RTT packet sent by the client before the client finished frame is acknowledged by the server must include in the same datagram a copy of the finished packet (the same handshake packet may be sent in multiple datagrams). The overhead is limited because finished messages are short, so even with the overhead of the long packet headers and AEAD tag, less than 100 bytes are used in the datagram (leaving the rest for the 1-RTT short packet). If this is done, it is possible to enforce that a server must have checked the client finished before processing 1-RTT packets from the client.

Adding a new transport-level signal for handshake confirmation (as proposed in #3145) is a bad idea - in TLS, receiving the peer's finished message IS the the explicit handshake confirmation signal (which is why CCS is removed in 1.3). Instead, QUIC should simply ensure that the signal has been received. It's only an issue on the server side, because clients cannot decrypt 1-RTT packets without processing the server finished.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different
 connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 
-If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
-Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the
+connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the
+certificate).  A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server
+that the client is connecting to to.  If the client has a token received in a
+NEW_TOKEN frame that is applicable to a new connection attempt, it SHOULD

Thank you for the suggestion. I believe the intent here is to recommend the use of tokens when appropriate; hence went with e67d713.

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----==_mimepart_5db6d8ff3bc7a_70023fe1a26cd96492383-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 05:13:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3C612006A for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M1J4SUdLeYnI for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C35012001E for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5DA1C0507 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:13:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572264793; bh=GnjfboLExt99YBYzoKuKhokjhsmME/b5r/IdIiJuugc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2N9fkGEViXCZeLSTABCyVOsTpPbMj6Nu45feDo+ShtBQ/9pijw2TN9sWCeJzwh8uQ Xvbt9fM05Eui8MRQzgSov/z5c69R4mAIW8n5sEkveON2RQRabhZ/7vh39fIrhDV+2T gbNBrFSsxGF15OgoN5vCjDie63CZwR51RmUZbpvc= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 05:13:13 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify the scope of a NEW_TOKEN token (#3156) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db6db592e667_4ab53fa0cf6cd96412021b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:13:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db6db592e667_4ab53fa0cf6cd96412021b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token. It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. -If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the -Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the +connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the +certificate). A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server @martinthomson FWIW I think the attack you were discussing was something different, that works even if the tokens were perfectly encrypted. Consider the case where an attacker is an ISP and also controls example.com, which is hosted behind the large-scale load balancer hosted by a different entity (e.g., CDN). The attacker issues tokens when clients connect to example.com through the load balancer (IP address 192.0.2.1). Then, when the clients connect to different hostnames under the same load balancer (IP address 192.0.2.1), it can (as an ISP) see which exact clients went for which exact server-names. I think you pointing out this attack has effectively killed https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kazuho-quic-address-bound-token/, I appreciate that. But if it is the case that you think it's an attack we can ignore, I'm happy to revive the draft :-) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3156#discussion_r339530240 ----==_mimepart_5db6db592e667_4ab53fa0cf6cd96412021b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1698,10 +1698,14 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different
 connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 
-If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
-Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable against the servers that the
+connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the
+certificate).  A client MUST only use a token that is applicable to the server

@martinthomson FWIW I think the attack you were discussing was something different, that works even if the tokens were perfectly encrypted.

Consider the case where an attacker is an ISP and also controls example.com, which is hosted behind the large-scale load balancer hosted by a different entity (e.g., CDN). The attacker issues tokens when clients connect to example.com through the load balancer (IP address 192.0.2.1). Then, when the clients connect to different hostnames under the same load balancer (IP address 192.0.2.1), it can (as an ISP) see which exact clients went for which exact server-names.

I think you pointing out this attack has effectively killed https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kazuho-quic-address-bound-token/, I appreciate that. But if it is the case that you think it's an attack we can ignore, I'm happy to revive the draft :-)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2379,15 +2379,19 @@ terminate the connection immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all
 streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be
 implicitly reset.
 
-After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing
-state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet
-containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with
+another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet

I agree that this should not be a SHOULD. But we already have a MAY. The current text states that an endpoint MAY transition from the closing period to the draining period if it receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

I think that the text here should be something along the lines of:

  • During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to a packet that can be AEAD-decrypted with another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. That action MAY cease when it receives a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

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In QUIC, the server may receive 1-RTT packets before the client finish= ed.

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While this is true, I wonder if we have the issues you point out, beca= use we prohibit the use of such packets until the server receives Client = Finished.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with
+another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet
+that contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  However, such an endpoint SHOULD limit
+the number of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For
+instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it
+receives before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets.
+An endpoint that drops the packet protection keys when entering the closing
+period and therefore being unable to decrypt the incoming packets MUST

exponentially decrease?

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----==_mimepart_5db6e96d4104a_5e473f8a45ecd95c3171a8-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 06:59:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD1E120113 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 76fzSq8tpqxf for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 520E6120073 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:59:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572271151; bh=UKWGGLTK/nTZS4IG1YZpsDdnRMwSucZPORILXUrW4Zs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bF9/W7UNUO3x1TM3V04wKe/c0Vjb0qMEmVVP+cpkJcNTSAE+joLj+MQiK1QrFr1K4 Wv/GJGYxH4N3FoaVtWNAWyU33kFeW/Q8hQsqr9PGoJo5RCCoDk0eQ2hlwkdKqr0njV 8YeOooQn7pegd3z2PCt1F1+isY7Xm7SR4/Pg82nQ= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MUST pace or limit bursts to 10 packets (#3106) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db6f42f72e68_3a7e3fae69acd968158919"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:59:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db6f42f72e68_3a7e3fae69acd968158919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mirjak commented on this pull request. > @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying their delivery to the peer. +Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them +creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses. +Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum +of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same +as the recommended initial congestion window. + Fine for me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3106#discussion_r339577123 ----==_mimepart_5db6f42f72e68_3a7e3fae69acd968158919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum
+of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same
+as the recommended initial congestion window.
+

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From discussion on #3106 people prefer the normative text to apply to the initial congestion window, not the specific value recommended in the recovery document.
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -753,6 +753,12 @@ delivery of ACK frames is important for efficient loss recovery. Packets
 containing only ACK frames should therefore not be paced, to avoid delaying
 their delivery to the peer.
 
+Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
+creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses.
+Implementations MUST either use pacing or limit such bursts to minimum
+of 10 * kMaxDatagramSize and max(2* kMaxDatagramSize, 14720)), the same
+as the recommended initial congestion window.
+

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However, it is clear that several implementations are not implementing this restriction correctly, which is understandable given that it requires server to actively delay processing buffered packets (i.e. use memory resources). I think it is much better to enforce the correct behavior by requiring that the finished is repeated in every datagram until the handshake is confirmed by the server, because the server is guaranteed that it does not need a logic for received data that cannot be passed to the application. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159#issuecomment-546968628 ----==_mimepart_5db6f9709a94c_61323f93404cd96c409021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, I agree that this spec is correct in that respect. However, it is clear that several implementations are not implementing this restriction correctly, which is understandable given that it requires server to actively delay processing buffered packets (i.e. use memory resources). I think it is much better to enforce the correct behavior by requiring that the finished is repeated in every datagram until the handshake is confirmed by the server, because the server is guaranteed that it does not need a logic for received data that cannot be passed to the application.

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I believe I prefer 2, but if the application tries to close the connection with an application close before any data can be sent in 1-RTT, advise the transport close the connection at Initial or Handshake instead? I believe that both honors the intent of the application and maintains some separation.

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At the New York QUIC interim, we dealt with the problem of the server being blocked by the amplification factor by making it arm the PTO until it knew the server had validated the path, even if it had nothing to send.

From the recovery pseudocde:
if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys): // Client sends an anti-deadlock packet: Initial is padded // to earn more anti-amplification credit, // a Handshake packet proves address ownership. if (has Handshake keys): SendOneAckElicitingHandshakePacket() else: SendOneAckElicitingPaddedInitialPacket()

When reviewing #3057, I realized that if we allowed the server to send a PING-only packet when the PTO fired and the amplification factor had been reached, then that would elicit a padded Initial ACK frame in response, which also fixes the issue.

@martinduke though that was a simpler solution than the current approach and this is a bit of an edge case, so simple is probably good.

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@martinduke commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

What is the purpose of this statement?

Data that was previously sent with Initial encryption
MUST be sent before Handshake data and data previously sent at Handshake
MUST be sent before any ApplicationData data.

Doesn't this conflict with the "PTO per packet number space" PR? If I'm implementing that PR most literally, I should PTO only the data from the space that expired. For example, I can have the 0RTT/1RTT PTO timer running first with some handshake data also in flight, and I should send just 0RTT/1RTT.

If I'm coalescing, I'm not sure why this would matter.

As for "MUST send new/unacked data", is that necessary? Why is not OK to send a PING instead to reduce bytes in flight? Perhaps I'm expecting new data soon and want to preserve the window space? I'd prefer if this were a SHOULD.

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In a strict sense, this means that a client can use N bytes to trigger the server to send 3N + epsilon bytes, but this fits in nicely with Probes generally not being subject to sending limits. It is somewhat gross but more elegant that a client timer with nothing in flight.

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This also removes the client complexity of continuing to arm the PTO and send even when there's nothing in flight and nothing to send. From nobody Mon Oct 28 11:03:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3F31208FA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jt0X63veI6kw for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B01712088D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77547A044C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:03:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572285802; bh=HN//T4IlAsX+P5DTU1lYYsRB731qUIYFE9fXi70dDjU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JX1R3cBkF4SIlNguo8iHHC5UNZ3w3W8jPAi7hh2l/CXEsNncdrnVfR490+pGAqYAN RF+rcLKXcOn+XnK+89OE8D5zQpTUItAIMoEnZ3w/SBPS2XLY5pJ7rwA9PXcvU5qTXu /5dnTiM6z856zYS4OpyDeP0GEKLFR5kWPxsm3baU= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:03:22 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server sends a PING-only packet if it's limited (#3162) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db72d6a68b19_6f273fc0194cd95c138132"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:03:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db72d6a68b19_6f273fc0194cd95c138132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a server is limited by the amplification factor when the PTO expires, send a PING-only packet instead of sending nothing. This also removes the client complexity of continuing to arm the PTO and send even when there's nothing in flight and nothing to send. Fixes #3161 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3162 -- Commit Summary -- * Server sends a PING-only packet if it's limited -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (33) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3162.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3162.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3162 ----==_mimepart_5db72d6a68b19_6f273fc0194cd95c138132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If a server is limited by the amplification factor when the PTO expires, send a PING-only packet instead of sending nothing.

This also removes the client complexity of continuing to arm the PTO and send even when there's nothing in flight and nothing to send.

Fixes #3161

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3162

Commit Summary

  • Server sends a PING-only packet if it's limited

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -495,11 +495,9 @@ a PATH_RESPONSE to seed initial_rtt for a new path, but the delay SHOULD NOT
 be considered an RTT sample.
 
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of
-data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
-data has been received from the client.
+data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
+as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no data can be sent,

I created #3161 to discuss whether we want to make a design change here, FWIW.

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

Should we also edit section 8.1 of quic-transport to specify that Ping-only PTO is an exception?

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 28 11:25:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2CC120137 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vbZhfMgmvReI for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6235B120125 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:25:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572287107; bh=h+dkxBC+6YldnMOj2F54G3Wf7KHginUFBnu1/uC9IW4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Whm1PxJhiddt8F+CLtDh9BysjoWYwNuYEIEuCmzd/WQZ9/40opAMR+qg1p+gGF1kj TJR56/l4lhMzZqOUEyr96WDdIc/IXlf+mwsqTmg2Ba/kmJs5W5KsO6KbZ1FV5rn8Zj PB/18r0vNguhrZD3isBKUay0JpYVzGdVPLwsfmdM= From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db73283604e6_4b2a3f8c1f0cd95c835f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:25:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db73283604e6_4b2a3f8c1f0cd95c835f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My preference is something closer to the TLS presentation language for specifying packet formats (at least in the transport draft). For example, the initial packet header format is currently described as ``` +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |1|1| 0 |R R|P P| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Version (32) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | DCID Len (8) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Destination Connection ID (0..160) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | SCID Len (8) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Source Connection ID (0..160) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Token Length (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Token (*) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length (i) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Packet Number (8/16/24/32) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Payload (*) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` Only one of fields drawn to be 32 bits wide is actually 32 bits (the version) - for the rest of them that drawing style (even though there's a `...` instead of a `|` at the end of the line) isn't particularly helpful. Here's an example of what that would look like done in something like the TLS presentation language: ``` struct { uint8 flags; uint32 version; uint8 dcid_len; blob[dcid_len] dcid; uint8 scid_len; blob[scid_len] scid; varint token_len; blob[token_len] token; varint length; blob[pn_len] packet_number; blob[length-pn_len] payload; } InitialPacket; ``` The only place where this struct loses clarity compared to the diagram is the `flags` field (and regardless of whether a struct or a diagram is used, prose is still needed to describe what the bits are). For the rest of this struct layout, it's a list of fields, which is essentially what the diagram is, but the types and/or lengths of the fields are described in better detail. If there's interest in making such a change to the drafts, I volunteer to help make those changes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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My preference is something closer to the TLS presentation language for specifying packet formats (at least in the transport draft).

For example, the initial packet header format is currently described as

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1|1| 0 |R R|P P|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                         Version (32)                          |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| DCID Len (8)  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|               Destination Connection ID (0..160)            ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| SCID Len (8)  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                 Source Connection ID (0..160)               ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                         Token Length (i)                    ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                            Token (*)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                           Length (i)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                    Packet Number (8/16/24/32)               ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Payload (*)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Only one of fields drawn to be 32 bits wide is actually 32 bits (the version) - for the rest of them that drawing style (even though there's a ... instead of a | at the end of the line) isn't particularly helpful.

Here's an example of what that would look like done in something like the TLS presentation language:

struct {
  uint8 flags;
  uint32 version;
  uint8 dcid_len;
  blob[dcid_len] dcid;
  uint8 scid_len;
  blob[scid_len] scid;
  varint token_len;
  blob[token_len] token;
  varint length;
  blob[pn_len] packet_number;
  blob[length-pn_len] payload;
} InitialPacket;

The only place where this struct loses clarity compared to the diagram is the flags field (and regardless of whether a struct or a diagram is used, prose is still needed to describe what the bits are). For the rest of this struct layout, it's a list of fields, which is essentially what the diagram is, but the types and/or lengths of the fields are described in better detail.

If there's interest in making such a change to the drafts, I volunteer to help make those changes.

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----==_mimepart_5db73283604e6_4b2a3f8c1f0cd95c835f-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 11:33:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658DA1201DE for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ieE1VvfgYZ2L for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 855B912025D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:33:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572287582; bh=Ga4JYapo32luZoTs6hTc5l8qNsIkmYNB5r/85j9O6d0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EX4fcyDsAWZC089ziw1PIKj4O1wazXU+hbepHMz1eWFNyIIxhRXz3aCSjhjlLlT/r v28ZiMKHLRqSUnJUAhc8MnKlrvxO4zT8LTan3NbqiosGu9JBEAdR7480MlWiS3NfQ/ tf/0776RRC3TNWx9SBJBUnUTP01UUL70DEr9tDSw= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible (#3057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7345e6af1c_4c003ffd71ecd96c12288f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:33:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7345e6af1c_4c003ffd71ecd96c12288f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > -When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other -ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer. +It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. +As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data +is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, +and then the original transmission is acknowledged. When there is no data to +send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single +packet, re-arming the PTO timer. Yes, but this is existing text and I didn't want to tie this PR to the PTO per PN space PR. One of the reasons I'd like to get this change in soon is it's going to cause conflicts with the multiple PN spaces PR, and the other PR is more substantive. The original issue(#3056) was that there was no MUST to retransmit the client Initial, and if the server doesn't create connection state until receiving a client Initial, the handshake fails. That being said, the client sending a full sized ack eliciting packet that's not the Initial seems odd. And if the server isn't going to create state, it seems like it should send a Retry to do path validation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3057#discussion_r339726721 ----==_mimepart_5db7345e6af1c_4c003ffd71ecd96c12288f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

Yes, but this is existing text and I didn't want to tie this PR to the PTO per PN space PR.

One of the reasons I'd like to get this change in soon is it's going to cause conflicts with the multiple PN spaces PR, and the other PR is more substantive.

The original issue(#3056) was that there was no MUST to retransmit the client Initial, and if the server doesn't create connection state until receiving a client Initial, the handshake fails.

That being said, the client sending a full sized ack eliciting packet that's not the Initial seems odd. And if the server isn't going to create state, it seems like it should send a Retry to do path validation.

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But blob is in reality strongly typed - for example a packet contains a STREAM frame that contains a set of H3 frames (and each frame has the same frame header). what is an effective way of describing the data encapsulated in such structures?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1119,7 +1125,7 @@ PeerNotAwaitingAddressValidation():
          has received 1-RTT ACK
 
 SetLossDetectionTimer():
-  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestLossTime()
+  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_times)

Good catch, fixed.

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----==_mimepart_5db73a746d6fe_5cbd3f97032cd95c7079-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 12:00:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9BD1208FA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ii5Vzu2SHhIl for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E1421208FB for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFA72615A7 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572289200; bh=JTjv4boPC4PR6bfa9/lIGBj4mReVbua95sp9CoUaI3o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D1dXmB+vTfvFNyFUgpZk3TlxS+Nc1+LiJOeIJUxlZObazaBamX5GfIAdHfFwrIgTl dYEhOeHqsaafZ1VtFbHwdHEllnDXn/8YgSt19p5cvy0bcvUqgwvQYiYbtdnZKQC0N2 R7GYAPowzEAugI0xFt4cIUh0LVMW1I1NXwIyF0AQ= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:59:59 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server sends a PING-only packet if it's limited (#3162) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db73aafe05aa_6b273fbd2b4cd95c600ee"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:00:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db73aafe05aa_6b273fbd2b4cd95c600ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nibanks approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3162#pullrequestreview-308078681 ----==_mimepart_5db73aafe05aa_6b273fbd2b4cd95c600ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5db73aafe05aa_6b273fbd2b4cd95c600ee-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 12:02:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFC6120921 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fjnGLXDykSHG for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7D8712090C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:02:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572289332; bh=z9FrWkMaMh13G49PgTuY8nOIYJCw/1ZtQaRMG87ToN0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DoxzlcoWCK/xh2zo1i/+iBq9KXzt8xqjQIg2OA3rtmwZw5ONN652d2OrI0qEtMRYD pkJOicw4Ote8BmALGVRm6WY8buBvLYgEbWUUW0vKXhGSP7kpffhqFpU23Tn5KulIu8 P1enoBsPSV0hcbAQAYJNY7qqdvECfbUEZir7yHtM= From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The method of identifying "the same server" (#3155) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db73b33f1b52_6bef3fa4f3acd9605977f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:02:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db73b33f1b52_6bef3fa4f3acd9605977f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that a or b is not restrictive enough based on the example given above. I wonder if c/d/e are also not restrictive enough though. Consider example.com hosted on multiple CDNs (where QUIC is terminated by the CDN). A client makes an initial connection to example.com (which gets served by CDN A) and receives a NEW_TOKEN token. Later, this client looks up example.com, gets directed to CDN B, and sends the token it received on the connection to CDN A. I wouldn't expect CDN B to be able to process that token. We could also decide that it's not worth solving the case above. Being overly restrictive in scoping tokens could mean we don't save tokens often enough (resulting in connections being established with no token when we could have used a token), which might be worse than occasionally sending the wrong token to a server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3155#issuecomment-547098249 ----==_mimepart_5db73b33f1b52_6bef3fa4f3acd9605977f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree that a or b is not restrictive enough based on the example given above.

I wonder if c/d/e are also not restrictive enough though. Consider example.com hosted on multiple CDNs (where QUIC is terminated by the CDN). A client makes an initial connection to example.com (which gets served by CDN A) and receives a NEW_TOKEN token. Later, this client looks up example.com, gets directed to CDN B, and sends the token it received on the connection to CDN A. I wouldn't expect CDN B to be able to process that token.

We could also decide that it's not worth solving the case above. Being overly restrictive in scoping tokens could mean we don't save tokens often enough (resulting in connections being established with no token when we could have used a token), which might be worse than occasionally sending the wrong token to a server.

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Transport section 8.1 updated to allow a PING-only packet.

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(#3131) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db74b1ac48ac_202e3f864cacd96c296889"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:10:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db74b1ac48ac_202e3f864cacd96c296889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. This removes the text that you have to track references. Of course you *do* to accomplish what this section describes. Do we want a normative term somewhere? Separately, discussion started on Slack -- maybe instead of improving the language about the term overlap, we could just change the term used for one of the "blocking"s. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#pullrequestreview-308116856 ----==_mimepart_5db74b1ac48ac_202e3f864cacd96c296889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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This removes the text that you have to track references. Of course you do to accomplish what this section describes. Do we want a normative term somewhere?

Separately, discussion started on Slack -- maybe instead of improving the language about the term overlap, we could just change the term used for one of the "blocking"s.

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I would not tie the definition of what it means for an entry to be acknowledged to an implementation. Keeping a count of entries that have been inserted via the Known Received Count is just one way to do it.

The phrase "until its [the entry's] insertion has been acknowledged" is not ambiguous. I don't agree that there is confusion to begin with.

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This removes the text that you have to track references. Of course you do to accomplish what this section describes. Do we want a normative term somewhere?

Sure, let me get back to this tomorrow.

Separately, discussion started on Slack -- maybe instead of improving the language about the term overlap, we could just change the term used for one of the "blocking"s.

I'm fine with finding a new term.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Required Operations on Streams
+
+There are certain operations which an application MUST be able to perform when
+interacting with QUIC streams.  This document does not specify an API, but
+any implementation of this version of QUIC MUST expose the ability to perform
+the operations described in this section on a QUIC stream.
+
+On the sending part of a stream, application protocols need to be able to:
+
+- write data, understanding when stream flow control credit
+  ({{data-flow-control}}) has successfully been reserved to send the written
+  data
+- end the stream (clean termination), resulting in a STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-stream}}) with the FIN bit set; and
+- reset the stream (abrupt termination), resulting in a RESET_STREAM frame
+  ({{frame-reset-stream}}), even if the stream was already ended.

Rather than having this discussion on a closed PR, let's open a separate issue.

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I would not tie the definition of what it means for an entry to be acknowledged to an implementation. Keeping a count of entries that have been inserted via the Known Received Count is just one way to do it.

Both endpoints must keep track of Known Received Count anyway, so this does not feel too implementation-specific to me.

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----==_mimepart_5db74d696541d_6c453fca8c2cd9681623a9-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 13:20:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCE8120105 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WIXmyqlWPK4w for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E551A120096 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:20:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572294046; bh=+VWyhn2aa/n/HNSP2XfCggG6Ip6VttLYE1Q2+OJeQBo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SWdJgYyoLTyINle8d+7/7aHb0zpt2UmK0RiAfyeGhbtWiAWx/q0bJ0jQ7na7DZ/1m Hpe5AyX58kFWYAExLAjtJaY5f3ys5/ctVEuA68ucjOaEROK1gqvTqgya5XIZpgyWDg 0SB1jPx0CQA2A7FRr3c6OQUDenKOEiI850JYM2UA= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Improve language on blocking entries. (#3131) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db74d9e3742a_18703f86da0cd9603307df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:20:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db74d9e3742a_18703f86da0cd9603307df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Both endpoints must keep track of Known Received Count anyway That is incorrect. An alternative way to do this is to use modulo arithmetic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#issuecomment-547128286 ----==_mimepart_5db74d9e3742a_18703f86da0cd9603307df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Both endpoints must keep track of Known Received Count anyway

That is incorrect. An alternative way to do this is to use modulo arithmetic.

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In discussion on #2857, @mikkelfj points out that it requires transport stacks to support abrupt closure of a stream even after the stream has been cleanly closed.

This reflects the possibility to transition from "Data Sent" (stream has ended) to "Reset Sent" by sending a RESET_STREAM. Based on the state diagram in the transport doc, if an implementation was already in the "Data Recvd" state, they wouldn't actually send a RESET_STREAM, as they're already in a terminal state; a reset call would be a no-op or an error of some kind.

However, @mikkelfj points out that in a handle-based API, this essentially means that handles for closed streams have to be recognizable as such for the lifetime of the connection. This might be burdensome for some implementations.

Should we reword the requirement here to say that it's permitted if the stream hasn't yet reached the "Data Recvd" state.

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -477,6 +477,9 @@ limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
 A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent.
 When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout.
+Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple packet number
+spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across all spaces to

This interacts weirdly with the rest of this spec if I'm not coalescing, as I'm restricted to one packet per PTO. In the common case we are PTOing the server 1st flight, we get this behavior:
where P = srtt + 4 rttvar + max_ack_delay

time 0: send first flight
time P: send Initial
time 2P: send Handshake
time 4P: send 1RTT
time 9P: send Initial
time 18P: send Handshake

Maybe the lesson here is to coalesce, but we should understand what we're writing here.

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The ability to cryptographically secure Initials is extremely compelling. The base version is tricky -- the obvious answer is that it's the version you're speaking now, but that might complicate our upgrade story. We're getting to the point where we need a sane outline of the answer to "How does a client discover that it and the server both speak a higher/better version of QUIC than the one currently being used?" even if we leave the details for later.

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Continuing from my example above, instead of blob[length-pn_len] payload;, perhaps that could be Packet[length-pn_len] payload;. (Now clarifying some of the syntax I'm making up or copying from TLS: Type[len] name; means that the field named name has len bytes and is of type Type.)

Then a StreamFrame might be defined as something like the following:

struct {
  varint stream_id;
  optional varint offset;
  optional varint length;
  blob[length] data;
} StreamFrame : Frame;

struct {
  varint frame_type;
  Frame frame;
} GenericFrame;

struct Packet {
  repeated GenericFrame frames;
};

Note that I'm basically making things up right now, although this is an interesting exercise in what features a description language would need for QUIC packet format.

I think the transport draft would need to stop at having a blob[length] data as the contents of a StreamFrame, and the application (H3) could pick up writing similar definitions.

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----==_mimepart_5db75e3dea729_7b463fe925ecd968860f9-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 14:37:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905EB12012D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhlFlRVRHRWK for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7383312013F for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEFB5201B1 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572298663; bh=mno54lykdxoAri1d8ORqjQDOrm5So7sLB5d1ITXKRc0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o581pxOX18ZFDrtAtbJl19r+6kptq05Iwtmol2pcVYK1paKps8h5i/+Ac0259q78P EHB6jCiS89iK1u0U17kTHVgc15+Eysfj3kY6BYhNG6v24gV3Q7JPYSX2PkPdFMqtZa 6EVxnsGQhJiE0s/YKmcHmpT4aDSdpEl9jLcsjuk4= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:37:43 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't use bitmap frames to describe varint structures (#3115) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db75fa7ac023_64df3fb98e6cd9641521e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:37:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db75fa7ac023_64df3fb98e6cd9641521e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah sorry I should have recognised you were providing a simple example not the whole shebang. I will point out that this format begins to resemble @rmarx qlog definition in TypeScript notation. If we really did want to change things, he'd probably be interested in aligning them if possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3115#issuecomment-547157123 ----==_mimepart_5db75fa7ac023_64df3fb98e6cd9641521e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah sorry I should have recognised you were providing a simple example not the whole shebang. I will point out that this format begins to resemble @rmarx qlog definition in TypeScript notation. If we really did want to change things, he'd probably be interested in aligning them if possible.

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@nharper I think that is a performance concern rather than a security concern?

Assuming that it is the case where sending a token does not have any positive impact on performance, I think we might not need to care about that.

We could, but I think it would be hard to draw a line on when sending a NEW_TOKEN token can be considered beneficial enough..., and there is no negative performance impact on sending an unusable token.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -477,6 +477,9 @@ limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
 A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent.
 When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout.
+Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple packet number
+spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across all spaces to

I removed the 1 packet limit when not coalescing when pointing out this existing exponential backoff behavior, so it should be:
time 0: send first flight
time P: send Initial and Handshake
time 2P: Send 1RTT and Initial
time 4P: send Handshake and 1RTT

Hopefully before 2P the server receives an ACK of something anyway, since that's seconds into the connection.

But we may want to tweak this as a result of the discard keys conclusion.

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Agreed, it's a performance concern, not a security concern. If the client sends an unreadable token, worst case is the server sends a Retry packet and we burn a round trip.

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After thinking it through, this is a good choice.

The downside is the client might have a bad initial PTO. But without this optimization, upon receipt of another client hello I'll just send more ceritificate data that was blocked by the amplification limit, data that is probably useless if the server hello has been lost. Far better for me to send the server hello again instead.

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And for that purpose, I think transport close with an error code of 0x15a (TLS alert user_canceled) fits naturally. Quoting from [RFC 8446 section 6.1](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-6.1), _this alert notifies the recipient that the sender is canceling the handshake for some reason unrelated to a protocol failure._ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158#issuecomment-547191846 ----==_mimepart_5db77ba999271_38bf3f90300cd960729f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett Agreed.

And for that purpose, I think transport close with an error code of 0x15a (TLS alert user_canceled) fits naturally. Quoting from RFC 8446 section 6.1, this alert notifies the recipient that the sender is canceling the handshake for some reason unrelated to a protocol failure.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2379,15 +2379,19 @@ terminate the connection immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all
 streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be
 implicitly reset.
 
-After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing
-state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet
-containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with
+another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet
+that contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  However, such an endpoint SHOULD limit

Fixed in e36eb76.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2379,15 +2379,19 @@ terminate the connection immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all
 streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be
 implicitly reset.
 
-After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing
-state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet
-containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with
+another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet

Fixed in abfc00c.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with
+another packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, until it receives a packet
+that contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  However, such an endpoint SHOULD limit
+the number of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For
+instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it
+receives before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets.
+An endpoint that drops the packet protection keys when entering the closing
+period and therefore being unable to decrypt the incoming packets MUST

Thank you.

Applied @martinthomson's suggestion in a45ded2. I do not think "exponentially" is required here, there could be other approaches, such as limiting the emission of CONNECTION_CLOSE to once every PTO.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
 the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+increase the time between packets.  An endpoint that drops the packet protection
+keys when entering the closing period and therefore being unable to decrypt the

Thank you for the suggestions. I think they are covered by a45ded2.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +closing state.
+
+During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame
+SHOULD respond to any incoming packet that can be decrypted with another packet
+containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  Such an endpoint SHOULD limit the number
+of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an
+endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it receives
+before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets.
+
+An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the
+closing period ({{draining}}).  However, an endpoint without the packet
+protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets.  To avoid creating
+an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST reduce the frequency with
+which it sends packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+
+To minimize the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection,

I think it makes sense to make this part of the preceding paragraph, since it pertains to cases when the keys are dropped?

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Such an endpoint SHOULD limit the number +of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For instance, an +endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it receives +before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets. + +An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the +closing period ({{draining}}). However, an endpoint without the packet +protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid creating +an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST reduce the frequency with +which it sends packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. + +To minimize the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, Nice catch! Adopted in 15898c5. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +closing state.
+
+During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame
+SHOULD respond to any incoming packet that can be decrypted with another packet
+containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  Such an endpoint SHOULD limit the number
+of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an
+endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it receives
+before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets.
+
+An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the
+closing period ({{draining}}).  However, an endpoint without the packet
+protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets.  To avoid creating
+an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST reduce the frequency with
+which it sends packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
+
+To minimize the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection,

Nice catch! Adopted in 15898c5.

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Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. +### Speeding Handshake Completion + +When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client +did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too +small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake +keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. As there's a chance where a client receives an 1-RTT packet before it receives Initial and Handshake packets, I think it'd be more natural to cover that case too. Maybe s/When a client receives Handshake packets/When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets/. > @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes. Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. +### Speeding Handshake Completion + +When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client +did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too +small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake +keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. + +To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing +unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as +though the PTO expired. A client MAY send an ack-eliciting packet with no +CRYPTO data if all Initial data has been acknowledged. The PTO can only be +shortened once in this way. Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation +with exponential backoff. Am I correct in assuming that this way of setting the PTO is to be used *only until* an endpoint learns the RTT? Consider the case where the server sends three datagrams (Initial1(CRYPTO+ACK), Initial2(CRYPTO), Handshake1(CRYPTO)) as its first flight. When Initial2 gets dropped but other packets are received by the client, the client would have an RTT estimate (as it processes the ACK in Initial1), but also have an undecryptable Handshake packet too, which this section discusses about. My intuition is that the provision of this paragraph should not be invoked in such a case, as RTT has already been learnt. If that is the case, it might be a good idea to clarify that the section is about estimating PTO until an RTT estimation is obtained. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake
+keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.

As there's a chance where a client receives an 1-RTT packet before it receives Initial and Handshake packets, I think it'd be more natural to cover that case too.

Maybe s/When a client receives Handshake packets/When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets/.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake
+keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. A client MAY send an ack-eliciting packet with no
+CRYPTO data if all Initial data has been acknowledged.  The PTO can only be
+shortened once in this way. Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation
+with exponential backoff.

Am I correct in assuming that this way of setting the PTO is to be used only until an endpoint learns the RTT?

Consider the case where the server sends three datagrams (Initial1(CRYPTO+ACK), Initial2(CRYPTO), Handshake1(CRYPTO)) as its first flight. When Initial2 gets dropped but other packets are received by the client, the client would have an RTT estimate (as it processes the ACK in Initial1), but also have an undecryptable Handshake packet too, which this section discusses about.

My intuition is that the provision of this paragraph should not be invoked in such a case, as RTT has already been learnt.

If that is the case, it might be a good idea to clarify that the section is about estimating PTO until an RTT estimation is obtained.

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----==_mimepart_5db78e12e077c_5223fc4872cd964780c4-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 18:09:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3BE120047 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6XSnXCu4Qyr for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1550120033 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814C41C0749 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:08:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572311337; bh=/TguZW1Gma3enO3hjrkNPtQYoM6c8G0Yw+DASGR/8KM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lGmuKdvWPwiI4FCLDCasM5g4fg+LpxwErfXW8ovutMAMMdBRLxZ2sEcI7UYa4anDr UQWnm2x0ZVv9XS7Wj8s1p0ivMtOc4yOq0wb17eJgODo0Dqick/Y3fUcpwDHtOwke1i IhA/DqTWZCusmbEned8D6GGeroMIbldJeRGGalYA= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:08:57 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Idle timeout indicates you will timeout (#3099) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db79129729dd_7cb43fc24aacd964787f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 01:09:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db79129729dd_7cb43fc24aacd964787f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. I have suggestions for parts that did not read well to me, but otherwise LGTM. > -: The idle timeout is a value in milliseconds that is encoded as an integer; see - ({{idle-timeout}}). If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle - timeout is disabled. +: The max idle timeout is a value in milliseconds that is encoded as an integer; + see ({{idle-timeout}}). If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle + timeout is disabled unless the peer specifies a max idle timeout. Maybe rephrase to: "Idle timeout is disabled when this parameter is absent or zero on both sides"? > @@ -4593,11 +4595,12 @@ endpoints send PING frames without coordination can produce an excessive number of packets and poor performance. A connection will time out if no packets are sent or received for a period -longer than the time specified in the idle_timeout transport parameter (see -{{termination}}). However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier than -that. Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interval, -experience shows that sending packets every 15 to 30 seconds is necessary to -prevent the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows. +longer than the time specified in the max_idle_timeout transport parameter s/specified in/negotiated by using/? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099#pullrequestreview-308228705 ----==_mimepart_5db79129729dd_7cb43fc24aacd964787f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I have suggestions for parts that did not read well to me, but otherwise LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The idle timeout is a value in milliseconds that is encoded as an integer; see
-  ({{idle-timeout}}).  If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle
-  timeout is disabled.
+: The max idle timeout is a value in milliseconds that is encoded as an integer;
+  see ({{idle-timeout}}).  If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle
+  timeout is disabled unless the peer specifies a max idle timeout.

Maybe rephrase to: "Idle timeout is disabled when this parameter is absent or zero on both sides"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4593,11 +4595,12 @@ endpoints send PING frames without coordination can produce an excessive number
 of packets and poor performance.
 
 A connection will time out if no packets are sent or received for a period
-longer than the time specified in the idle_timeout transport parameter (see
-{{termination}}).  However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier than
-that.  Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interval,
-experience shows that sending packets every 15 to 30 seconds is necessary to
-prevent the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows.
+longer than the time specified in the max_idle_timeout transport parameter

s/specified in/negotiated by using/?

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----==_mimepart_5db79129729dd_7cb43fc24aacd964787f3-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 18:31:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67382120033 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:30:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m0VweZ__OYpK for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9855F120113 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DCB52003D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:30:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572312656; bh=89yrXoRsayCS2698JsC/ZaDPW59bqgsuVFYhXmWw6BE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D90x7vQDSzXxgp/y7C93dVGHuKjsAugKpPXRGSkH3muhXV0GL5rNVu0nPZ2b+h/ji jXUBhRbG0K96YRfs7FuOLnK2OV/6QSyvUzrqOvjrG7aOHnGHTZXITDR+ojpNfLcoD3 A6+FUzI2k+Z9GKc9Nc89Ny/16CTe7TAeJB1mKHAY= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:30:56 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forbid use of application-level close in Initial, Handshake packets (#3164) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db79650d889c_e713feabfccd96012647a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 01:30:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db79650d889c_e713feabfccd96012647a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed in #3158, use of application-level close is problematic in Initial / Handshake packets. This PR address the issue by limiting the use of that to 1-RTT packets, at the same time advising applications to use user_canceled TLS alert to abort the connection during the handshake. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3164 -- Commit Summary -- * 0x1d only in 1-RTT; suggest user_canceled alert -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3164.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3164.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3164 ----==_mimepart_5db79650d889c_e713feabfccd96012647a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As discussed in #3158, use of application-level close is problematic in Initial / Handshake packets.

This PR address the issue by limiting the use of that to 1-RTT packets, at the same time advising applications to use user_canceled TLS alert to abort the connection during the handshake.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3164

Commit Summary

  • 0x1d only in 1-RTT; suggest user_canceled alert

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----==_mimepart_5db79650d889c_e713feabfccd96012647a-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 19:06:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5970012008D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:06:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id POzYIETgTtLA for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 883891200EB for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60A48C0783 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:06:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572314814; bh=31s3MmfuajwDdryngZXMj9+0CGZ9ZcZZpYU+5LpNmdM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JudwPdDPyOyDQZ43zCdFdcghfae+wog7ABem3UnIQZ9a2cktKvq+BrToKivE04Lm4 GrA2w+Rb8+5f13o3Y92MQPSKSAcmQFAEQ4w22ZWEsbxWEyHf7EHfCm+ikCxc79rySa znWHGOC+/AiDbUuO3SJTVWuPuvs74PU6EpqWJzXc= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:06:54 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Application close should be disallowed in Initial or Handshake (#3158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db79ebec6992_5a243fc7946cd96486375"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:06:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db79ebec6992_5a243fc7946cd96486375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree with making a change. We discussed this exact topic when we allowed CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, and it was decided at the time that if an application wanted to terminate the connection at this stage, it may do so. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158#issuecomment-547223456 ----==_mimepart_5db79ebec6992_5a243fc7946cd96486375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I disagree with making a change. We discussed this exact topic when we allowed CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, and it was decided at the time that if an application wanted to terminate the connection at this stage, it may do so.

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= ----==_mimepart_5db7a1181acf3_7e073fe55c8cd96812651d-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 19:28:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BBA120133 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:28:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XxeKprlUW2u3 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC4B3120033 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:28:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572316100; bh=sL/UAeoEHchXc4KclJn7sweh8KdPGc/Q+y0hPKniroQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zV4pgP/Dmm5aS+Xk3A46MqEYKoRbN9iUBMRzrqoSJOToYnF68sFillq+izNtNswVi MBfP5YV1WdC5JYnmVa05LrFFtdgZroHYA913hp9n8pB6QFh7hE1mlrJ7njnO9ITaE2 fPdRZcKhwYrD7xvqAF0y3WMTe7TvrZlnD6y28n9g= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Application close should be disallowed in Initial or Handshake (#3158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7a3c4de57e_5f6a3fe8520cd96818434b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 02:28:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7a3c4de57e_5f6a3fe8520cd96818434b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't seem to find the discussion right now. I believe a lot of it was in person at the time as well. Things may be difficult in some scenarios, but we can leave the decision on how to handle things up to the application layer. For the 0-RTT scenario, you can use a generic application error code. There's no ALPN ambiguity there, right, since they have to use the same one as previous? I don't think we should add extra restrictions at the transport layer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158#issuecomment-547228218 ----==_mimepart_5db7a3c4de57e_5f6a3fe8520cd96818434b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I can't seem to find the discussion right now. I believe a lot of it was in person at the time as well. Things may be difficult in some scenarios, but we can leave the decision on how to handle things up to the application layer. For the 0-RTT scenario, you can use a generic application error code. There's no ALPN ambiguity there, right, since they have to use the same one as previous? I don't think we should add extra restrictions at the transport layer.

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Would it make sense to allow connection-level CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT, while forbidding it in Initial and Handshake?

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I think this is the right way to go, since during the non-0-RTT handshake, the peers don't agree on the application protocol.
However, I've written in #3158 (comment), I think we might need a way to communicate an application-level error code for 0-RTT connections.

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This recommendation has been made a few times, but we have thus far resisted it on the basis of it not working with client authentication.

The suggestion that the server might offer proof that it didn't do something bad is new. If I were inclined to take that suggestion seriously, I would instead say that the server should use an exporter to generate something. You could even see how this might make its way into the proposed HANDSHAKE_DONE frame.

But I don't think that this needs this level of mechanism. This is something that servers just need to do on their own. Just like having a good source of randomness for their key generation, the consequences of failure here are that they might be open to attack.

I have no problem with test suites that purposefully "drop" critical packets to reveal misbehaving servers. That might be better than adding mechanism.

That said, the server can just withhold ACK frames until it sees the whole handshake, even if it processes the entire handshake. A server could answer requests from 1-RTT until clients start looking for that happening. Ultimately, we can't stop the server from performing processing if it offers no reliable proof of that happening. And I don't think that it's worth trying.

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@marten-seemann I assume you mean application-level CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT.

I do not have a strong opinion on that, though I might point out that allowing that creates a wired state; a client would might send CONNECTION_CLOSE before it knows if the server has accepted or rejected 0-RTT. The question here is if the client is required to retransmit CONNECTION_CLOSE in 1-RTT when the server rejects 0-RTT.

Considering that, I think we can just forbid the use of application-close in 0-RTT. The client can either wait for the handshake to complete then send an application-level close in 1-RTT, or it can close the connection using a QUIC-level close during the handshake (without exposing why).

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Closes #3163.

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This was clearly just a miss on the wording. I don't think that the intent was ever to require that streams be kept around indefinitely. Sure, some stacks might be able to send RESET_STREAM at a whim, but it's not necessary

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I'd just like to point out that the only sane approach here is to use ASN.1 with PER so that we can get bit-level alignment. I believe that with care it shouldn't matter whether we pick the aligned or unaligned variant.

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Based on the discussion in #3111, this PR implements greasi= ng using the NEW_TOKEN frame as the conveyor.

It defines defines three properties: Alternative Version Number, Packe= t Type Modifier, Initial Salt, for obfuscating the version number field a= nd the long header packet type, as well as encrypting the Initial packet = payload.

Those three properties are carried by a NEW_TOKEN frame, and a client = uses those "alternative initial sets" when resuming a connection using a = NEW_TOKEN token. A server that is not interested in greasing or encryptin= g the Initial packets can advertise the values defined in the specificati= on as the "alternative initial sets," and the client behavior would be th= e same as it is now (with the only difference being that the format of NE= W_TOKEN frame has changed).

Closes #2496, closes #3111, an alterna= tive to #2573.

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----==_mimepart_5db7bbb360740_7133fe6746cd960682e4-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 21:12:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C763F120046 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X__qPFbKPqlU for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 839F712008C for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2D596068D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:12:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572322333; bh=tkzFlwh5rjfjOVinXA6Bv1UUl42YLc4S+QZc/3nnEHY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YyVEg8YKl/aKvUk7e/KzEsYoC022EZ9o8P8Gh7kHC6p4r6LxIgVfbpijAwXd0ipv+ Nk9g/hJsYCN2+lNwmi4PfHl20YY64ymVa1ZWLvjx7Ef7VOrtllAKEnAQnyIe8a+uOt xbVq0SX5WxZdaXT1GE8L7hU2nq35L3/NrRCrH2o8= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 21:12:13 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Backoff on CONNECTION_CLOSE (#3157) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7bc1dd087a_58803fe616ecd95c1103c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 04:12:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7bc1dd087a_58803fe616ecd95c1103c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson requested changes on this pull request. > @@ -2379,15 +2379,23 @@ terminate the connection immediately. A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. -After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing -state. During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE -frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet -containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. To minimize the state that an endpoint -maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet. -However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a -CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase -the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or -increase the time between packets. +After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the +closing state. + +During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame +SHOULD respond to any incoming packet that can be decrypted with another packet The "that can be decrypted" is new. If you keep it, then it needs to be paired with something in the following paragraph that allows the endpoint to send the prebuilt packet in response to any received packet. > -However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a -CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase -the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or -increase the time between packets. +After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the +closing state. + +During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame +SHOULD respond to any incoming packet that can be decrypted with another packet +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. Such an endpoint SHOULD limit the number +of packets it generates containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. For instance, an +endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it receives +before sending additional packets or increase the time between packets. + +An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the +closing period ({{draining}}). However, an endpoint without the packet This probably blows the line length limit, but this is what I'm thinking. ```suggestion closing period ({{draining}}) and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram that is received. However, an endpoint without the packet ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3157#pullrequestreview-308266995 ----==_mimepart_5db7bc1dd087a_58803fe616ecd95c1103c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In addition to my previous point that the notations of HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 should better be aligned, I'm inclined to argue that using three different notations in three related drafts (QUIC, TLS, HTTP/3) would be a nightmare.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2379,15 +2379,23 @@ terminate the connection immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame causes all
 streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be
 implicitly reset.
 
-After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter the closing
-state.  During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame SHOULD respond to any packet that it receives with another packet
-containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To minimize the state that an endpoint
-maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same packet.
-However, endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase
-the number of packets that it receives before sending additional packets or
-increase the time between packets.
+After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
+closing state.
+
+During the closing period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame
+SHOULD respond to any incoming packet that can be decrypted with another packet

Could you please elaborate a bit more?

My understanding is that we need "that can be decrypted." The reason we are adding MUST for endpoints that drop the keys when entering the closing state is because they cannot validate the packet using the keys. In this paragraph, we are talking about the flip side. That means that the endpoints MUST validate the incoming packets by unprotecting them.

Or are you specifically suggesting that we need to talk about how duplicates are to be handled?

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@nibanks Thank you for checking.

Things may be difficult in some scenarios, but we can leave the decision on how to handle things up to the application layer.

The problem is that then there would be two requirements:

  • Application protocols MUST define a generic error code that can be exposed unencrypted.
  • QUIC stacks need to provide an API that tells the application if a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is going to be sent using Initial packets. Each application needs to consult that in order to determine the error code to be sent.

For the 0-RTT scenario, you can use a generic application error code. There's no ALPN ambiguity there, right, since they have to use the same one as previous?

There is. The case is where there is an error in the 0-RTT data that the client sends, and the server responds with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. In this case, there is no ambiguity on the server-side, as the server has committed to processing a particular application protocol. However, there is an issue on the client-side. The client cannot tell which application protocol has been selected, as the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (carried in either Initial or Handshake) may arrive before it receives the Encrypted Extensions handshake message that carries the name of the negotiated protocol. We can say that a server sending an application-level close before the client sends an 1-RTT packet is an alternative way of negotiating the protocol. But are we really going to say that? I think it's too complicated.

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I agree with @nibanks there is an age old discussion on handling errors in early connection. Simply forbidding them without understanding this would be unfortunate.

Consider errors in early handshake where the server does not wish to proceed. It doesn't like the client, it doesn't have the resources, it is about to reboot, or whatever. It can either drop the packets or wait if it cannot close immediately. It doesn't want to wait so it drops. Drops then probably results in unnecessary resets.

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----==_mimepart_5db7ca2758cbe_3c673fde520cd968894dd-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 22:21:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659D1120044 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bCwbY_F1f6_j for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C468120043 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E467A060D for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:21:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572326505; bh=dmScpTf2MHW0NuU78eHfvyoolWxQqgW3ZYoz0auyJHs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dQX6JfBqtQFEOihkGuJEAjBLXGK6mlEAcSjGKk3xUW3Dw28g/lCApkmGF7+BV6MOb iP2IvJ4ERPOsbggzwvb5LavteVaSWbiFRwAnbzfoWuvHYKDRX/Z3w+E27c4JRE28ii P3FZvJNXZKjyGU8k1eMV29ejSPjIdZm2nlc1SRPk= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:21:45 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify the client's PTO code by allowing the server to send a PING (#3161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7cc693f522_75ac3fc8962cd960756c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:21:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7cc693f522_75ac3fc8962cd960756c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In a strict sense, this means that a client can use N bytes to trigger the server to send 3N + epsilon bytes I think this might be concerning, though I could well be wrong. Consider the case of an attacker acting as a client, using the IP address of a victim as the source address. The attacker can spoof an Initial packet that carries a Client Hello and another Initial packet that carries an ACK for the server's Initial packet that carried the Server Hello. An attacker can build the correct second packet assuming that the server uses the DCID of the client's Initial packet as it's CID (or the CID is zero length), and that the server's first packet number can be guessed. If that ACK contains a delay that indicate to the server that the RTT is very small (e.g., 1ms), then the PTO could be as small as that value. Then, if the server's connection timeout is say 1000ms, the server might send 1000 packets to the victim before dropping the connection. Am I missing something? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3161#issuecomment-547261010 ----==_mimepart_5db7cc693f522_75ac3fc8962cd960756c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In a strict sense, this means that a client can use N bytes to trigger the server to send 3N + epsilon bytes

I think this might be concerning, though I could well be wrong.

Consider the case of an attacker acting as a client, using the IP address of a victim as the source address. The attacker can spoof an Initial packet that carries a Client Hello and another Initial packet that carries an ACK for the server's Initial packet that carried the Server Hello. An attacker can build the correct second packet assuming that the server uses the DCID of the client's Initial packet as it's CID (or the CID is zero length), and that the server's first packet number can be guessed.

If that ACK contains a delay that indicate to the server that the RTT is very small (e.g., 1ms), then the PTO could be as small as that value. Then, if the server's connection timeout is say 1000ms, the server might send 1000 packets to the victim before dropping the connection.

Am I missing something?

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I like this approach, thanks for writing this up @kazuho.

While greasing helps against a passive attacker, it only helps against an active attacker if the set of of alternative version numbers is large, so large that the attacker can't obtain all alternatives by connecting to the server (a reasonable number of times).

An easy way to do this is to derive alternative version numbers by applying a transformation on the version number, e.g. use every number that fulfils hash(salt || alternative version number) mod 4 == 0 as an alternative. This would generate a huge set of alternative version numbers. In that case, the server would probably also want to encode the initial salt into the token.

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#3108 removes the TLS presentation language, so at least we're down to two different notations.

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Consider errors in early handshake where the server does not wish to proceed. It doesn't like the client, it doesn't have the resources, it is about to reboot, or whatever. It can either drop the packets or wait if it cannot close immediately. It doesn't want to wait so it drops. Drops then probably results in unnecessary resets.

@mikkelfj That's not what this issue is about. CONNECTION_CLOSE using a transport error would still be permitted in Initial and Handshake. This is only about application-level error codes.

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----==_mimepart_5db7dae72064a_7953ffa19ecd9681988ab-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 23:32:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D16120048 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:32:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XJQ_hApVkqqi for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72B72120020 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B5A6606B6 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:32:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572330737; bh=UzTC4S6Zc8JTbn5wVxVN3Z1bTMna3QYyRQsposj9bmc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RztuU8oVn2khQ2oIajUUd6vibyUM2vsk+5RecVwGOm/b+978FVVCnuIt6cN3LOHiM B4DHd69jPs6KZQ8FAn6ft6aiEheOPAuooI2jOz4U89GKPTePGr2YXrP9TIo3kW/SQQ YiqO24mlpzb17g4wDAnTVNREk1Pq4ov0rqgJH0j8= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:32:17 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Replace use of the TLS presentation language with QUIC encoding (#3108) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7dcf190808_92e3fb2b1ccd960474248"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 06:32:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7dcf190808_92e3fb2b1ccd960474248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > ~~~ - struct { - opaque ipv4Address[4]; - uint16 ipv4Port; - opaque ipv6Address[16]; - uint16 ipv6Port; - opaque connectionId<0..20>; - opaque statelessResetToken[16]; - } PreferredAddress; + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Address (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| IPv4 Port (16) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Seriously, I believe the diagram should be left as-is. IIUC, our convention is to wrap the lines in cases where the following field is bigger than 32-bits. Or do we want to wrap the Version field of long header packets? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3108#discussion_r339910157 ----==_mimepart_5db7dcf190808_92e3fb2b1ccd960474248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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-   struct {
-     opaque ipv4Address[4];
-     uint16 ipv4Port;
-     opaque ipv6Address[16];
-     uint16 ipv6Port;
-     opaque connectionId<0..20>;
-     opaque statelessResetToken[16];
-   } PreferredAddress;
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Seriously, I believe the diagram should be left as-is.

IIUC, our convention is to wrap the lines in cases where the following field is bigger than 32-bits. Or do we want to wrap the Version field of long header packets?

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----==_mimepart_5db7dcf190808_92e3fb2b1ccd960474248-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 23:53:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BC7120048 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4r5gy2ZAzw1 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49060120020 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDE4960617 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:53:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572332007; bh=k/CeDAr/v7S727g7Q79bffUuzw0y8tFBDsaVlY7Q8ms=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=n843741VPzjcna2a2GK6T+BOigwHujyNYDMi2KvM43Ojf98GOTPjrHpnb64WmthxK 3p84Itv9e10+r6USXpsxFptcjYE2jb9FYaC4l/LOHKVPecxMlcM8TAdUmZfWzPf8cS wFSGMuULYMUwC7A8Q02t1ng1kRFMB9+ylew8iCms= Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 23:53:27 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7e1e76ca59_7c663fb5e8ecd960240196"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 06:53:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7e1e76ca59_7c663fb5e8ecd960240196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann I'm not sure if that actually works. Because how a token is embedded in an Initial packet depends on the actual version of the QUIC packet that the server is processing. Therefore, I think that the server needs to first consult the version number on the wire, then use that to determine where the token is to decrypt the initial salt contained in the token. Or are you suggesting something different? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#issuecomment-547282565 ----==_mimepart_5db7e1e76ca59_7c663fb5e8ecd960240196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann I'm not sure if that actually works.

Because how a token is embedded in an Initial packet depends on the actual version of the QUIC packet that the server is processing. Therefore, I think that the server needs to first consult the version number on the wire, then use that to determine where the token is to decrypt the initial salt contained in the token.

Or are you suggesting something different?

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----==_mimepart_5db7e1e76ca59_7c663fb5e8ecd960240196-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 00:17:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D271200F6 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ma0Yo1uSPWaf for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 725951200F4 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8F51C0CA4 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:17:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572333473; bh=vOkPx+9346ZUPQVYcEWIL7D9VAgevATtcX23wIbxRGA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VumQ1Dq/918bV/SNKAYA2eZxTKno1ohMKDz9AXk4TMz2lU3jBRmNDUHwAuqCJru23 W4d6lYTY6woH7vQBfIsIL8lqqHBnkLBhAhYLvDQuWnxQ1TiC/5qagsmRur671IFcUh 3VtNZoU73IJ61dT7dsJV7eydQnYxC0ykmSwRi1tM= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 00:17:53 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The method of identifying "the same server" (#3155) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db7e7a1aeb9b_cce3fbffdccd95c63173"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:17:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db7e7a1aeb9b_cce3fbffdccd95c63173 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, the discussion here relates to issue #3111 (PR #3166). If we are to say that the scope of a token is tied to the identity of the server (i.e. server certificate), it becomes impractical to use token-based greasing for hosts that are not hosted by multiple entities (i.e. multi-CDN use-case). This is because owners of such hosts would not want to see an additional round-trip due to Version Negotiation packet being sent in response to an unknown version. If we are to say that the scope of a token is a tuple of the server identity and the server address, maybe that becomes an non-issue, as we can assume that the tuple uniquely identifies the operator of the server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3155#issuecomment-547288801 ----==_mimepart_5db7e7a1aeb9b_cce3fbffdccd95c63173 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FWIW, the discussion here relates to issue #3111 (PR #3166).

If we are to say that the scope of a token is tied to the identity of the server (i.e. server certificate), it becomes impractical to use token-based greasing for hosts that are not hosted by multiple entities (i.e. multi-CDN use-case). This is because owners of such hosts would not want to see an additional round-trip due to Version Negotiation packet being sent in response to an unknown version.

If we are to say that the scope of a token is a tuple of the server identity and the server address, maybe that becomes an non-issue, as we can assume that the tuple uniquely identifies the operator of the server.

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Ah I see. I agree that application errors should not happen at that level.

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So with improved understanding, I think the correct approach is for send a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION the other direction, but since that is kind of pointless, all you can do it is to report a protocol violation the client. It would be wrong to forward the error code because that would promote bad behaviour and assumptions on application level design that might not hold in general.

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A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces, the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout. +Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple packet number +spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across all spaces to I've updated the PR to no longer arm PTO for ApplicationData until the handshake is complete. On the server side, it's pretty obvious you shouldn't arm it, since the server doesn't have receive keys to process 1-RTT ACKs. I think this achieves what you originally might have hoped and solves the silliest case(server sending a 1-RTT PTO) above. PTAL. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -477,6 +477,9 @@ limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
 A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent.
 When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout.
+Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple packet number
+spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across all spaces to

I've updated the PR to no longer arm PTO for ApplicationData until the handshake is complete. On the server side, it's pretty obvious you shouldn't arm it, since the server doesn't have receive keys to process 1-RTT ACKs. I think this achieves what you originally might have hoped and solves the silliest case(server sending a 1-RTT PTO) above.

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----==_mimepart_5db82a7dab9c_44e3fa488ecd9681773e5-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 05:04:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB0C120154 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:04:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VeV53uZDGsDc for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E167120041 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8819196056A for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:04:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572350682; bh=PGm4XBvBdzr6a+XWMrDNMcCdzWFkuooGhYtzT3kSP38=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wu5ws+j2McoNe6vfy5YO6GvINJ+/gUPhwXYrDIIeOL6y0McBtYwKOwDcyejsauWjy VWo6No8sco2HIPdRRk/EPfJwtkiR9ac+RxaWdc6/ohH37QBor3pF4ZTUZaAcP4jASP gqk2oNVz7MknUyFjBdgmx78xBzBqor6a+1wEg3gM= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 05:04:42 -0700 From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Improve language on blocking entries. (#3131) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db82ada7927c_5aff3fd8392cd96c141188"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 12:04:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db82ada7927c_5aff3fd8392cd96c141188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The phrase "until its [the entry's] insertion has been acknowledged" is not ambiguous. I don't agree that there is confusion to begin with. > After re-reading the PR, I agree that this phrase is not ambigous. I'm reverting this part. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#issuecomment-547387897 ----==_mimepart_5db82ada7927c_5aff3fd8392cd96c141188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The phrase "until its [the entry's] insertion has been acknowledged" is not ambiguous. I don't agree that there is confusion to begin with.

After re-reading the PR, I agree that this phrase is not ambigous. I'm reverting this part.

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This removes the text that you have to track references. Of course you do to accomplish what this section describes. Do we want a normative term somewhere?

The following sentence from the old text that I propose to remove:

An encoder MUST ensure that a header block which references a dynamic table
entry is not processed by the decoder after the referenced entry has been
evicted.

is redundant with the following sentence that I am leaving untouched:

An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry.

(Redundant in the sense that the second sentence implies the first.) I do not believe that removing the first sentence while leaving the second one relaxes normative requirements on the encoder, nor do I believe that keeping both sentences makes the draft clearer.

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Yeah sorry I should have recognised you were providing a simple example not the whole shebang. I will point out that this format begins to resemble @rmarx qlog definition in TypeScript notation. If we really did want to change things, he'd probably be interested in aligning them if possible.

For what it's worth, @nharper's example would look a bit like this in TypeScript notation:

class StreamFrame implements Frame {
 stream_id:varint;
 offset?:varint;
 length?:varint;
 data:Array<byte> = new Array<byte>(length);
}

interface GenericFrame {
 frame_type:varint,
 frame:Frame
}

interface Packet {
 frames:Array<GenericFrame>
}

I've been using this in qlog mainly for convenience but am willing to move to another format down the line if qlog actually gets adopted and this type of flexible format is used in other QUIC drafts.

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The problem is that then there would be two requirements:

  • Application protocols MUST define a generic error code that can be exposed unencrypted.
  • QUIC stacks need to provide an API that tells the application if a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is going to be sent using Initial packets. Each application needs to consult that in order to determine the error code to be sent.

For the first bullet, that's a decision for the application protocols.

For the second, I'd argue you don't need any special API. If the app terminates the connection before the "handshake complete" notification then any error code it would pass down to the QUIC API would not be sent in a 1-RTT packet. That state is enough for the app to make an intelligent decision. Another option is to have an API flag that indicate the application close is allowed to be send unencrypted.

There is. The case is where there is an error in the 0-RTT data that the client sends, and the server responds with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. In this case, there is no ambiguity on the server-side, as the server has committed to processing a particular application protocol. However, there is an issue on the client-side. The client cannot tell which application protocol has been selected, as the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (carried in either Initial or Handshake) may arrive before it receives the Encrypted Extensions handshake message that carries the name of the negotiated protocol. We can say that a server sending an application-level close before the client sends an 1-RTT packet is an alternative way of negotiating the protocol. But are we really going to say that? I think it's too complicated.

If you assume this is not the common case, then I don't think we need optimize for it. The app just closes the connection after the handshake completes.

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The sender of GOAWAY needs to continue accepting incoming streams up to the indicated ID, yes.

If we decide the other semantic is useful, it's easy enough to define another frame (SOFT_GOAWAY, IN_CONCLUSION, etc.) in-spec or as an extension that simply hints to the other side that they should start cleaning up, but doesn't fully prohibit new streams.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4412,9 +4412,10 @@ The following transport parameters are defined:
 original_connection_id (0x0000):
 
 : The value of the Destination Connection ID field from the first Initial packet
-  sent by the client.  This transport parameter is only sent by a server.  A
-  server MUST include the original_connection_id transport parameter if it sent
-  a Retry packet.
+  sent by the client.  This transport parameter is only sent by a server.  This
+  is the same value sent in the "Original Destination Connection ID" field of a
+  Retry packet (see {{packet-retry}}).  A server MUST include the

Can you point to the specific text you're looking at?

David's text in #3120:

value of the Destination Connection ID from the Initial packet that this Retry is in response to.

Text here:

value of the Destination Connection ID field from the first Initial packet sent by the client

These seem to indicate the same Initial packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5830,17 +5830,18 @@ IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Transport Parameters" under a
 "QUIC Protocol" heading.
 
 The "QUIC Transport Parameters" registry governs a 16-bit space.  This space is
-split into two spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values with the
-first byte in the range 0x00 to 0xfe (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the
-Specification Required policy {{!RFC8126}}.  Values with the first byte 0xff are
-reserved for Private Use {{!RFC8126}}.
+split into three spaces that are governed by different policies.  Values between
+0x0000 and 0x003f (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the Standards Action or IESG

Not even an I-D on the Datatracker. If you can point to a URL of a document somewhere that describes it, that's sufficient for Specification Required.

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----==_mimepart_5db85ff8c1439_62f63fc0882cd96c566fb-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 09:05:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA1912006E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:05:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kDnQqBQ4CyMe for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48A1812002F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F63A1C063A for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572365152; bh=Gj8OOEJtC07XY/UJdhMqBFBIIZsB+8qsptsAu5hnQeU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xQvF4dGe2eTq1XHaP+UFT1/g+a0iW0oNL6JRVFzRQtP3JNQPiL1Oq06ElsXBSzABe 1C/m/8RZuftgOAj7ckpDvs0YIolsE/S2NOnGIIqtPgmuBFBNdg7XVjdA3Usp2fuPXI /kB8wyfe4Orq2srty2UzAZFGSaI71S05lefmNALU= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 09:05:52 -0700 From: Antoine Delignat-Lavaud Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake completion (#3159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8636090fd1_3eb63fcb43ccd96013734e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ad-l X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:05:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8636090fd1_3eb63fcb43ccd96013734e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To help decide whether this is likely to be a problem, I decided to run an experiment. I wrote a very simple patch to OpenSSL to disable sending a finished: ```diff diff --git a/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c b/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c index a11ba60..9681787 100644 --- a/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c +++ b/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c @@ -439,6 +439,7 @@ static WRITE_TRAN ossl_statem_client13_write_transition(SSL *s) return WRITE_TRAN_CONTINUE; case TLS_ST_CR_FINISHED: if (s->early_data_state == SSL_EARLY_DATA_WRITE_RETRY || s->early_data_state == SSL_EARLY_DATA_FINISHED_WRITING) st->hand_state = TLS_ST_PENDING_EARLY_DATA_END; @@ -446,8 +447,8 @@ static WRITE_TRAN ossl_statem_client13_write_transition(SSL *s) && s->hello_retry_request == SSL_HRR_NONE) st->hand_state = TLS_ST_CW_CHANGE; else - st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT - : TLS_ST_CW_FINISHED; + st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT : TLS_ST_OK; return WRITE_TRAN_CONTINUE; case TLS_ST_PENDING_EARLY_DATA_END: @@ -459,8 +460,9 @@ static WRITE_TRAN ossl_statem_client13_write_transition(SSL *s) case TLS_ST_CW_END_OF_EARLY_DATA: case TLS_ST_CW_CHANGE: - st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT - : TLS_ST_CW_FINISHED; + st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT : TLS_ST_OK; return WRITE_TRAN_CONTINUE; case TLS_ST_CW_CERT: ``` I checked with `openssl s_client -msg` to check that the patch works as expected. Then, I tried to connect to various public h3-23 endpoints listed on https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/Implementations using the ngtcp2 client built with my patched OpenSSL. The point of the experiment is to check which servers would acknowledge the short packets that I sent. Note that there can be false negatives in this experiment if the server is passing the 1-RTT data to the application but withholding the ACKS (this is insecure because the application may make unsafe side effects based on the received data, e.g. a POST/DELETE request). Two servers on the list clearly implement a wrong behavior: - quic.tech:4433 straight up acknowledged the 1-RTT packet in a short packet ``` I00000042 0xfd9df02263e4eeab1552a84d0e608bfa91 frm rx 0 Short(0x70) ACK(0x02) largest_ack=0 ack_delay=15(1919) ack_block_count=0 I00000042 0xfd9df02263e4eeab1552a84d0e608bfa91 frm rx 0 Short(0x70) ACK(0x02) block=[0..0] block_count=0 ``` - http3-test.litespeedtech.com: acknowledges the client 1-RTT packet, but does that in an handshake packet (!) ``` I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f pkt rx pkn=5 dcid=0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f scid=0x4b54982b8489544f type=Handshake(0x02) len=22 k=0 I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f frm rx 5 Handshake(0x02) ACK(0x02) largest_ack=0 ack_delay=0(0) ack_block_count=0 I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f frm rx 5 Handshake(0x02) ACK(0x02) block=[0..0] block_count=0 I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f pkt read packet 56 left 0 ``` It seems very likely that some implementations will ignore this requirement in practice (and understandably so, as buffering the 1-RTT packets is expensive), to the point that I think it is worth making the correct behavior verifiable by the client (as it somewhat exposes the client in the downgrade case, although a complete exploit seems unlikely with a signature, and difficult with a PSK binder) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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To help decide whether this is likely to be a problem, I decided to run an experiment. I wrote a very simple patch to OpenSSL to disable sending a finished:

diff --git a/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c b/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c
index a11ba60..9681787 100644
--- a/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c
+++ b/ssl/statem/statem_clnt.c
@@ -439,6 +439,7 @@ static WRITE_TRAN ossl_statem_client13_write_transition(SSL *s)
         return WRITE_TRAN_CONTINUE;

     case TLS_ST_CR_FINISHED:
         if (s->early_data_state == SSL_EARLY_DATA_WRITE_RETRY
                 || s->early_data_state == SSL_EARLY_DATA_FINISHED_WRITING)
             st->hand_state = TLS_ST_PENDING_EARLY_DATA_END;
@@ -446,8 +447,8 @@ static WRITE_TRAN ossl_statem_client13_write_transition(SSL *s)
                  && s->hello_retry_request == SSL_HRR_NONE)
             st->hand_state = TLS_ST_CW_CHANGE;
         else
-            st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT
-                                                        : TLS_ST_CW_FINISHED;
+            st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT : TLS_ST_OK;
         return WRITE_TRAN_CONTINUE;

     case TLS_ST_PENDING_EARLY_DATA_END:
@@ -459,8 +460,9 @@ static WRITE_TRAN ossl_statem_client13_write_transition(SSL *s)

     case TLS_ST_CW_END_OF_EARLY_DATA:
     case TLS_ST_CW_CHANGE:
-        st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT
-                                                    : TLS_ST_CW_FINISHED;
+        st->hand_state = (s->s3.tmp.cert_req != 0) ? TLS_ST_CW_CERT : TLS_ST_OK;
         return WRITE_TRAN_CONTINUE;

     case TLS_ST_CW_CERT:

I checked with openssl s_client -msg to check that the patch works as expected. Then, I tried to connect to various public h3-23 endpoints listed on https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/Implementations using the ngtcp2 client built with my patched OpenSSL. The point of the experiment is to check which servers would acknowledge the short packets that I sent. Note that there can be false negatives in this experiment if the server is passing the 1-RTT data to the application but withholding the ACKS (this is insecure because the application may make unsafe side effects based on the received data, e.g. a POST/DELETE request).

Two servers on the list clearly implement a wrong behavior:

  • quic.tech:4433 straight up acknowledged the 1-RTT packet in a short packet
I00000042 0xfd9df02263e4eeab1552a84d0e608bfa91 frm rx 0 Short(0x70) ACK(0x02) largest_ack=0 ack_delay=15(1919) ack_block_count=0
I00000042 0xfd9df02263e4eeab1552a84d0e608bfa91 frm rx 0 Short(0x70) ACK(0x02) block=[0..0] block_count=0
  • http3-test.litespeedtech.com: acknowledges the client 1-RTT packet, but does that in an handshake packet (!)
I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f pkt rx pkn=5 dcid=0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f scid=0x4b54982b8489544f type=Handshake(0x02) len=22 k=0
I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f frm rx 5 Handshake(0x02) ACK(0x02) largest_ack=0 ack_delay=0(0) ack_block_count=0
I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f frm rx 5 Handshake(0x02) ACK(0x02) block=[0..0] block_count=0
I00000618 0x7d6af4994dbcab77dba708cb2ab0ef553f pkt read packet 56 left 0

It seems very likely that some implementations will ignore this requirement in practice (and understandably so, as buffering the 1-RTT packets is expensive), to the point that I think it is worth making the correct behavior verifiable by the client (as it somewhat exposes the client in the downgrade case, although a complete exploit seems unlikely with a signature, and difficult with a PSK binder)

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PTO always uses exponential backoff, so if the first PTO was 1ms, that'd be ~10 PTOs, not 1000.

In terms of total bytes sent, 10 packets with a 1 byte payload are still smaller than a single full-sized packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The idle timeout is a value in milliseconds that is encoded as an integer; see
-  ({{idle-timeout}}).  If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle
-  timeout is disabled.
+: The max idle timeout is a value in milliseconds that is encoded as an integer;
+  see ({{idle-timeout}}).  If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle
+  timeout is disabled unless the peer specifies a max idle timeout.

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A connection will time out if no packets are sent or received for a period -longer than the time specified in the idle_timeout transport parameter (see -{{termination}}). However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier than -that. Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interval, -experience shows that sending packets every 15 to 30 seconds is necessary to -prevent the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows. +longer than the time specified in the max_idle_timeout transport parameter Thanks, I went for negotiated using. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099#discussion_r340205193 ----==_mimepart_5db8700ee771d_6f33f9b566cd960270922 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4593,11 +4595,12 @@ endpoints send PING frames without coordination can produce an excessive number
 of packets and poor performance.
 
 A connection will time out if no packets are sent or received for a period
-longer than the time specified in the idle_timeout transport parameter (see
-{{termination}}).  However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier than
-that.  Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interval,
-experience shows that sending packets every 15 to 30 seconds is necessary to
-prevent the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows.
+longer than the time specified in the max_idle_timeout transport parameter

Thanks, I went for negotiated using.

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ya in hindsight, the keyschedule for TLS 1.3 might have derived client_application_traffic_secret_0 from the same handshake context as resumption_master_secret. Maybe in TLS 1.4? ;)

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Yes... without changing the 1.3 key schedule QUIC could also use the exporter MS as the client 1-RTT traffic secret.

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----==_mimepart_5db877a0a658f_6c253f9fb02cd96027291d-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 10:41:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF0B1200F5 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id miDraWpcIetA for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8375120018 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C038C0783 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:41:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572370888; bh=6RPiaa0NnNG1b7fK3nsHFvS2+wYzf4xZG2cydc7fdao=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IJhkal2T/sUWE1BnlOTEYoCsAruTZmTPZNrGp6FKp+UMmuX4hxoAfR4S2iU0dbQR5 hb3aIB0YRcDwGj6OYvXyQVQUqgBbMgVdJOU8YeXghpyydm19WIBb/81lpFsNKk03aD WM5Hlrb8pg74LJoFQHd9I04GVnb2tIxryV0Zsiws= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:41:27 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db879c7e4ce2_60323fcec2ecd968435b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:41:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db879c7e4ce2_60323fcec2ecd968435b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. Thanks for writing this up! I like the token approach but we might need to tighten how this interacts with version negotiation. > @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints. Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint. +# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial} + +In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC +packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used, +which is comprised of: + +* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented + on wire in place of the version number specified in this document. This value + MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}). + +* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise + exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake, Shouldn't this be `to the Long Packet Type field of` instead of `to the most significant bits of` ? > + 0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted + and before they are decrypted. + +* Alternative initial salt; a 16-byte binary blob that is to be used in place of + the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. + +A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}}. +The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with +which it can be used. + +Typically, a server would pre-allocate a set of unused version numbers as the +alternative version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a +packet type modifier chosen at random. Then, when issuing a token using a +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a +pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then +encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and I might be worth adding a bit more detail to how the token is encrypted, perhaps `which is then encrypted using a key only known to the server` > +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a +pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then +encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and +the alternative initial set. + +When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the +alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of +the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it +advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type +modifier to recover the correct packet type. If the recovered packet type is an +Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts +the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to +decrypt the payload of the Initial packet. + +When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can +send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default In the current spec, the client fails the connection upon receipt of a Version Negotiation packet. So this has a dependency on the version downgrade prevention extension. But assuming the presence of a version negotiation mechanism with downgrade prevention, I think we have an issue here. If the server rotates the key it uses to encrypt the alternative initial salt, and then receives a token it can no longer decrypt, it sends a version negotiation packet, and the client tries again with QUICv1. This is likely to trip the version downgrade prevention mechanism - how do we distinguish between a server that has forgotten their key and an attacker that is trying to force a downgrade to QUICv1? > @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. This protection does not provide confidentiality or integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection against off-path attackers. +Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum. This is because when a Seeing a checksum here makes me uncomfortable. We're adding a checksum to retry packets because they have no other mechanism to detect corruption. Initial packets on the other hand have an auth tag, so a corrupted token will cause the deprotection to fail. In an ideal world we should handle that like any other corruption on the initial packet. But I think this goes back to my other question about version negotiation, I think there be dragons. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

Thanks for writing this up! I like the token approach but we might need to tighten how this interacts with version negotiation.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints.  Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.
 
 
+# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial}
+
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC
+packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used,
+which is comprised of:
+
+* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented
+  on wire in place of the version number specified in this document.  This value
+  MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}).
+
+* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise
+  exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake,

Shouldn't this be to the Long Packet Type field of instead of to the most significant bits of ?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted
+  and before they are decrypted.
+
+* Alternative initial salt; a 16-byte binary blob that is to be used in place of
+  the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}}.
+The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with
+which it can be used.
+
+Typically, a server would pre-allocate a set of unused version numbers as the
+alternative version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a
+packet type modifier chosen at random.  Then, when issuing a token using a
+NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and

I might be worth adding a bit more detail to how the token is encrypted, perhaps which is then encrypted using a key only known to the server

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet type is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default

In the current spec, the client fails the connection upon receipt of a Version Negotiation packet. So this has a dependency on the version downgrade prevention extension.

But assuming the presence of a version negotiation mechanism with downgrade prevention, I think we have an issue here. If the server rotates the key it uses to encrypt the alternative initial salt, and then receives a token it can no longer decrypt, it sends a version negotiation packet, and the client tries again with QUICv1. This is likely to trip the version downgrade prevention mechanism - how do we distinguish between a server that has forgotten their key and an attacker that is trying to force a downgrade to QUICv1?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection
 against off-path attackers.
 
+Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum.  This is because when a

Seeing a checksum here makes me uncomfortable. We're adding a checksum to retry packets because they have no other mechanism to detect corruption. Initial packets on the other hand have an auth tag, so a corrupted token will cause the deprotection to fail. In an ideal world we should handle that like any other corruption on the initial packet. But I think this goes back to my other question about version negotiation, I think there be dragons.

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This direction is starting to sound reasonable.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+which it can be used.=0D
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At a minimum, "be associated with." But better, I think, to say that = the token MUST permit the server to recover the base version number assoc= iated with the obfuscated version, the salt, and the mask. Exactly how t= he server arranges that is an implementation detail.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +  0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is a=
pplied after the packets are encrypted=0D
+  and before they are decrypted.=0D
+=0D
+* Alternative initial salt; a 16-byte binary blob that is to be used in =
place of=0D
+  the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.=0D
+=0D
+A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-tok=
en}}.=0D
+The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number=
 with=0D
+which it can be used.=0D
+=0D
+Typically, a server would pre-allocate a set of unused version numbers a=
s the=0D
+alternative version numbers, associating each of those version numbers w=
ith a=0D
+packet type modifier chosen at random.  Then, when issuing a token using=
 a=0D
+NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by ca=
lling a=0D
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is=
 then=0D
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated t=
oken and=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that c=
omprises of the generated token and=0D
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that contains the generated token=
 and=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC=
-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or=0D
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protecti=
on=0D
 against off-path attackers.=0D
 =0D
+Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum.  This is because w=
hen a=0D
=0D

I second the question here; the checksum doesn't appear to serve a pur= pose not already covered here.

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Isn't this concern why we designed the Retry mechanism in the first place? If we are concerned about address spoofing attacks, the simple solution might be to generalize retry. As in, "if the server can predict that its first flight will contain more than 3 times the amount of data received with the client's Initial packets, then it SHOULD verify the source address using Retry."

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This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe -congestion. The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is -limited by the endpoint's idle timeout. - -A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A -sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it -knows that more ack-eliciting packets will be sent within a short period of -time. +congestion. Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple +packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across +all spaces to prevent excess load on the network. The life of a connection that "For example, a timeout in the Initial packet number space doubles the length of the timeout in the Handshake number space." > When a PTO timer expires, the PTO period MUST be set to twice its current value. This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe -congestion. The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is -limited by the endpoint's idle timeout. - -A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A -sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it -knows that more ack-eliciting packets will be sent within a short period of -time. +congestion. Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple +packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across +all spaces to prevent excess load on the network. The life of a connection that There is also some conceptual subtlety that I suspect people could mess up. If I'm coalescing my probes, then there is *never* a timeout at the higher levels -- each time, the junior level times out and a new high-level packet is sent that resets that level. Misinterpreting this paragraph might mean that coalescing three probes could result in three bitshifts of the PTO. This doesn't have to be in this PR, but when I reread this draft when everything's landed, hopefully it's in here somewhere. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3066#pullrequestreview-308797198 ----==_mimepart_5db89c692c2eb_3a593fc5692cd968519eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When a PTO timer expires, the PTO period MUST be set to twice its current
 value. This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because
 the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe
-congestion.  The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is
-limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
-
-A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A
-sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it
-knows that more ack-eliciting packets will be sent within a short period of
-time.
+congestion.  Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple
+packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across
+all spaces to prevent excess load on the network. The life of a connection that

"For example, a timeout in the Initial packet number space doubles the length of the timeout in the Handshake number space."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When a PTO timer expires, the PTO period MUST be set to twice its current
 value. This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because
 the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe
-congestion.  The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is
-limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
-
-A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A
-sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it
-knows that more ack-eliciting packets will be sent within a short period of
-time.
+congestion.  Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple
+packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across
+all spaces to prevent excess load on the network. The life of a connection that

There is also some conceptual subtlety that I suspect people could mess up.

If I'm coalescing my probes, then there is never a timeout at the higher levels -- each time, the junior level times out and a new high-level packet is sent that resets that level.

Misinterpreting this paragraph might mean that coalescing three probes could result in three bitshifts of the PTO.

This doesn't have to be in this PR, but when I reread this draft when everything's landed, hopefully it's in here somewhere.

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My concern is that the current anti-deadlock mechanism is fairly awkward and rarely needed, which makes me concerned it will be incorrectly implemented. By sending a PING only packet, the server is essentially informing the client it has something to send, but can't send it due to the amplification limit.

The deadlock happens when the client's Initial is acknowledged, but the client doesn't receive the server's Initial, so it can't decrypt any handshake packets. In this state, the client has nothing to send. It can happen even if the server's first flight fits into 3 packets. But it's expected that typically servers will bundle their ACK of the client's Initial with the server Initial, and this will be rare in practice.

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(#3132) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8aab21f62a_b9f3f82258cd96c5870"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:10:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8aab21f62a_b9f3f82258cd96c5870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afrind commented on this pull request. > -If a header block was potentially blocking, the encoder infers from receiving a -Header Acknowledgement instruction ({{header-acknowledgement}}) that the decoder -has received all dynamic table state necessary to process that header block. If -the Required Insert Count of the acknowledged header block is greater than the -current Known Received Count, the encoder updates the Known Received Count to -the value of the Required Insert Count of the acknowledged header block. +The Known Received Count is the total number of acknowledged dynamic table +insertions and duplications. It is updated using Header Acknowledgement I'm not sure it was wrong before to say it's the number acknowledged by the decoder. The decoder updates as it acknowledges, the encoder updates as it receives acknowledgements. Without it, you need to read further to clarify that this is not the insert+dup count as sent by the encoder. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3132#pullrequestreview-308833858 ----==_mimepart_5db8aab21f62a_b9f3f82258cd96c5870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-If a header block was potentially blocking, the encoder infers from receiving a
-Header Acknowledgement instruction ({{header-acknowledgement}}) that the decoder
-has received all dynamic table state necessary to process that header block.  If
-the Required Insert Count of the acknowledged header block is greater than the
-current Known Received Count, the encoder updates the Known Received Count to
-the value of the Required Insert Count of the acknowledged header block.
+The Known Received Count is the total number of acknowledged dynamic table
+insertions and duplications.  It is updated using Header Acknowledgement

I'm not sure it was wrong before to say it's the number acknowledged by the decoder. The decoder updates as it acknowledges, the encoder updates as it receives acknowledgements. Without it, you need to read further to clarify that this is not the insert+dup count as sent by the encoder.

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@ianswett: Fair. Due to the risk of amplification attacks, the server is probably not willing to retransmit Initial packets on timer. In that case, the current spec is a bit too lose. It should say that "If the sender is not willing to retransmit Initial packets due to protection against amplification attacks, it MUST NOT acknowledge the client's initial packet." So basically, either the server verifies the client's address with the Retry/Token mechanism, or it MUST NOT acknowledge client initial packets before continuity can be verified by obtaining an ACK from the client.

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----==_mimepart_5db8ab20c6799_77db3f95beecd96469784-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 14:13:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BA2120289 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22L3qwnrwz52 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A9EC12006D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:13:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572383603; bh=kB3C9XcRB3ryePi8KJnyOwPfW4YMjffuYu/LgIdK0oM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ciWb2lPCesVUFPodM9HbVEjkST4NL419JbWoUN7SeYyTEBp5AeFaJMObgwTLpd7Lx rdAjuRjqu7d7edgFrSKbATk9vTHm76E45554LahWWLU3sWRGCE4TT1QrGdD+Jy8gjQ 6LvGBqh5FdSGp6/OyHdt8Vo8ybcIMBRFkpjRMSho= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make language of representations consistent. (#3133) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8ab73d5a32_bb63f82258cd96c70548"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:13:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8ab73d5a32_bb63f82258cd96c70548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afrind commented on this pull request. > @@ -965,9 +965,8 @@ entry. ### Indexed Header Field -An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static -table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the -decoded header list. +An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in the static table, +or an entry in the dynamic table with an absolute index less than the Base. I now find the comparison of absolute index and "Base" (which I assert is a count) to be awkward. Does it read better with > less than the *value of* the Base -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3133#pullrequestreview-308837957 ----==_mimepart_5db8ab73d5a32_bb63f82258cd96c70548 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -965,9 +965,8 @@ entry.
 
 ### Indexed Header Field
 
-An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static
-table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the
-decoded header list.
+An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in the static table,
+or an entry in the dynamic table with an absolute index less than the Base.

I now find the comparison of absolute index and "Base" (which I assert is a count) to be awkward. Does it read better with

less than the value of the Base

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That's an interesting suggestion, but I think it require some non-trivial changes to the server's logic in addition to not sending ACKs? Something similar to what's described in #3080.

It may be worth opening up an issue for allowing the server to not arm a timer until the path has been validated, because I think that's a wider issue than just this PR?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -965,9 +965,8 @@ entry.
 
 ### Indexed Header Field
 
-An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static
-table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the
-decoded header list.
+An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in the static table,
+or an entry in the dynamic table with an absolute index less than the Base.

We can tackle this in another PR. This is all goodness so I'm merging now :)

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 29 14:20:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F2A120119 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vfRYkbxTvEPx for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25E2012006D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:20:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572384034; bh=1pWJ2DQXQ3oUtnCN3iQ23HVLQwFFEkaWd5BWaJx0mb8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VOQyEXCqc4HjZBSQT7eVjHWBpDxOMoeW/cPos0vO4lxDwv+TKO0KIZgoAG3s6+0mh qcWv2+zPuScnTbaxiqMxKxIWOsD1JffkjtRbAxi53unlU0D8rbNjU7IzC2nMuJiPhj BhPhz4OJ7QWK4NZE9sxGB1eEmiTpoiSVyZmzTmIY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake completion (#3159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8ad22568e9_1b1a3fc80bccd96460024"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:20:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8ad22568e9_1b1a3fc80bccd96460024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ad-l Thank you for sharing the results. This is very interesting. FWIW, I do not think QUIC stacks using picotls would have the issue, as picotls hands out the 1-RTT read key only after processing ClientFinished... but I can see that the API might vary between the TLS stacks. Though, if we are to have a protocol design that enforces the server to wait for CF, just bundling CF in every 1-RTT packet is not enough. I'd argue that CF should include some bits that is unpredictable by the server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159#issuecomment-547634533 ----==_mimepart_5db8ad22568e9_1b1a3fc80bccd96460024 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ad-l Thank you for sharing the results. This is very interesting. FWIW, I do not think QUIC stacks using picotls would have the issue, as picotls hands out the 1-RTT read key only after processing ClientFinished... but I can see that the API might vary between the TLS stacks.

Though, if we are to have a protocol design that enforces the server to wait for CF, just bundling CF in every 1-RTT packet is not enough. I'd argue that CF should include some bits that is unpredictable by the server.

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I agree that having the server repeat a PING on timer may also work, and that the ACK of the randomly chosen Server's CID would make a reasonable address ownership test. ACK of the PING would naturally unlock any transmission that is pending address ownership.

Kazuho objects that this his hackable if the chosen Server's CID is guessable. We don't have a "non-guessable" requirement in the spec. In that case, the natural fix is the challenge/response mechanism.

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PTO always uses exponential backoff, so if the first PTO was 1ms, that'd be ~10 PTOs, not 1000.

Ah. Thank you for pointing that out. Though it seems that the amount of the data that the server can send could go like 4x the amount of data that the client has sent rather than the current 3x.

To paraphrase, I think what we might be trading here is the initial amount of data the server can send vs. the capability of sending PINGs. My view is that the former is a scarce resource, and that I'd prefer having the more space in the former even if requires us to have some complexity.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When a PTO timer expires, the PTO period MUST be set to twice its current
 value. This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because
 the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe
-congestion.  The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is
-limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
-
-A sender computes its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent. A
-sender might choose to optimize this by setting the timer fewer times if it
-knows that more ack-eliciting packets will be sent within a short period of
-time.
+congestion.  Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple
+packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across
+all spaces to prevent excess load on the network. The life of a connection that

Hopefully it's clearer now.

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OnPacketSent() already sets the timer, and SendPacketsAsCongestionControllerAllows may not actually send a packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3047#pullrequestreview-308854923 ----==_mimepart_5db8b32669c8c_6a433fed01ccd96c100987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    pto_count = 0
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   SetLossDetectionTimer()

we should delete this. OnPacketSent() already sets the timer, and SendPacketsAsCongestionControllerAllows may not actually send a packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints.  Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.
 
 
+# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial}
+
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC
+packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used,
+which is comprised of:
+
+* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented
+  on wire in place of the version number specified in this document.  This value
+  MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}).
+
+* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise
+  exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake,

Definitely Yes! I missed the fact that we had a name for the two bits. Thank you.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    pto_count = 0
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   SetLossDetectionTimer()

The ack may update the RTT, so I think we should keep this unless we add a return value to SendPacketsAsCongestionControllerAllows() indicating whether a packet was sent?

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----==_mimepart_5db8b3d970617_52bd3fdc5f4cd968389fe-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 14:52:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518FD120112 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:52:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXi3JhvSYoSt for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 247D612001E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:52:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572385962; bh=v40GC+DdEvuJcCOJ3dH+Xa55WOwT4wYtXcrme2J3DdM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YpUKk3T8BFbg1vZ4d7iotZGBhVREOMLDWzEhq8Ovu60B7uccEuIptKZzfu44hqsca jkzzOvxBl7F8CxUatO3WrvPbmvNsS6VbbgkVJPYEGfALmLoYSXZef2EbVJbkZzMcHF JAHDNNzESMrgGI++HNOfFTCKr2VYzvqIKAE9Bm4Y= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8b4aa24e5d_b7b3ffb1e4cd96c19967f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:52:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8b4aa24e5d_b7b3ffb1e4cd96c19967f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a +pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then +encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and +the alternative initial set. + +When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the +alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of +the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it +advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type +modifier to recover the correct packet type. If the recovered packet type is an +Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts +the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to +decrypt the payload of the Initial packet. + +When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can +send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default This PR has a built-in downgrade prevention mechanism. The requirement we have in this PR is that each NEW_TOKEN token that the server issues is linked to a particular alternative version number. When a server receives an Initial packet with an alternative version number it recognizes but with a token it cannot use, the server sends a VN. The client reconnects using V1, but the text in the PR requires the client to continue using the token. Then, when the server receives the V1 packet with the token, and can in fact use the token and finds out that the token was in fact being issued for a version other than V1, the server generates a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR. In short, it is a downgrade attack if VN was issued while the token was usable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340344021 ----==_mimepart_5db8b4aa24e5d_b7b3ffb1e4cd96c19967f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet type is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default

This PR has a built-in downgrade prevention mechanism.

The requirement we have in this PR is that each NEW_TOKEN token that the server issues is linked to a particular alternative version number.

When a server receives an Initial packet with an alternative version number it recognizes but with a token it cannot use, the server sends a VN. The client reconnects using V1, but the text in the PR requires the client to continue using the token. Then, when the server receives the V1 packet with the token, and can in fact use the token and finds out that the token was in fact being issued for a version other than V1, the server generates a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR.

In short, it is a downgrade attack if VN was issued while the token was usable.

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Like @kazuho, our TLS doesn't even deliver the receive keys until it gets Finished. Rather than mess with the spec or rely on various QUIC implementations to do it right, I think it's best to fix the various TLS implementations (or, more specifically, their QUIC-facing secret export API) to do this correctly. There are relatively few of these and it's a problem specific to TLS 1.3.

The ability to coalesce sent packets is optional and the spec goes to great pains to not require sending them at any point, which has caused much suffering for @ianswett. Moreover, I am not at all convinced that coalescing Finished solves the problem.

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Fixes #3041 From nobody Tue Oct 29 15:00:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E805E1200C1 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xFIKZoHsVicG for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60EBC12001E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFC01C0B3F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:00:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572386433; bh=34QW5AtDuOYJVVMyzE/yhP8JY9OOI3y6WJ/WzJeEqSw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vPS5K+ij8yjYFJNw26chZx9Mlh9/w32YUY/4fSzsnN0ncS7s2/FyTp4M5i7zsWlc5 LNWHYxlhmAxBm9Evxzh3XWljj8zC/I5vaRXvTjhdfClbJAcwj3YIEE9StVkrVKrJqF L+6oK3ZBCylm2X8gBX++TiFi1YBoANy2dCqIhuo8= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:00:33 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] kMaxDatagramSize -> max_datagram_size (#3167) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8b6819c808_7d313fec040cd96c142950"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:00:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8b6819c808_7d313fec040cd96c142950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clarifies that this is the maximum datagram size currently in use on the connection. Fixes #3041 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3167 -- Commit Summary -- * kMaxDatagramSize -> max_datagram_size -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (19) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3167.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3167.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3167 ----==_mimepart_5db8b6819c808_7d313fec040cd96c142950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Clarifies that this is the maximum datagram size currently in use on the connection.

Fixes #3041

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3167

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  • kMaxDatagramSize -> max_datagram_size

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    pto_count = 0
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   SetLossDetectionTimer()

Ah, yes, we might have to reset the timer to reflect the new RTT. But then shouldn't the RTT update code go above this?

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@kazuho An Initial ping is maybe 45 bytes. So 10 pings makes the amplification ~3.4.

I was under the impression that the 3 multiplier was semi-arbitrary, so I'm unconcerned about a fractional increase.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    pto_count = 0
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   SetLossDetectionTimer()

It's above on line 1024.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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My mistake. I saw the UpdateRTT definition below and got confused.

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   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.=0D
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+The application-specific variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1d) can onl=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1258,6 +1254,11 @@ kPersistentCongestionThreshold:
 Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
 are described in this section.
 
+max_datagram_size:
+: The sender's current maximum payload size. Does not include UDP or IP
+  overhead.  The max datagram size is used for calculating initial and
+  minimum congestion windows. The RECOMMENDED value is 1200 bytes.

This can't be less than 1200. Worth adding?

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When the server receives a Token that is corrupted, it may want to close the connection quickly. This issue suggests adding a new error code to indicate the token is corrupted, INVALID_TOKEN.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
-   struct {
-     opaque ipv4Address[4];
-     uint16 ipv4Port;
-     opaque ipv6Address[16];
-     uint16 ipv6Port;
-     opaque connectionId<0..20>;
-     opaque statelessResetToken[16];
-   } PreferredAddress;
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                       IPv4 Address (32)                       |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|         IPv4 Port (16)        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

I second @martinthomson's suggestion.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +| CID Length (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                      Connection ID (*)                      ...

Same here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1258,6 +1254,11 @@ kPersistentCongestionThreshold:
 Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
 are described in this section.
 
+max_datagram_size:
+: The sender's current maximum payload size. Does not include UDP or IP
+  overhead.  The max datagram size is used for calculating initial and
+  minimum congestion windows. The RECOMMENDED value is 1200 bytes.

Done, PTAL.

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This PR makes transport parameters consistent with the rest of the document. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169 -- Commit Summary -- * make transport parameters varint -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (98) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169 ----==_mimepart_5db8c2306d00e_33c33fcd0d0cd96490031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Now that transport parameters are represented using QUIC encoding (as opposed to TLS presentation language), the remaining 16-bit fields stick out like sore thumbs. This PR makes transport parameters consistent with the rest of the document.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169

Commit Summary

  • make transport parameters varint

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Also, this covers what needs to be retained across this transition better. Basically, the only thing that needs to go is the congestion and loss recovery state. The rest can stay; in fact, the crypto handshake has to stay. Closes #2058. * cannot/MUST NOT potato/tomato Co-Authored-By: ianswett From nobody Tue Oct 29 15:57:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A800120112 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GZkRuBd46Ou9 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC2A0120118 for ; 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Closed #2058 via #3148.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 29 16:04:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18339120119 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CL0D4rbQ1MGT for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E594D120128 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:04:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572390249; bh=Yr5SKUGpG/0v5rtTM0m5kgFbUb6JG9HrHo1Wdyv1tRY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iaymNjqJMmDo1amcgyJ+tEUO3a2Os58GewDddEu6ICNGjH1SnqYWE3aTcjBvituMl KDSNMUN1OLI8yTOWSZqAlqgIcYmP8UZWM4xR0HKYzIRnpJgpGpmfMJzz3EbLrxevea 9sAumf0fcvzakcIvcM0LEokbuOuFr2flUgu+WNVU= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8c5692b3fa_400f3f9f9d8cd96814977a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:04:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8c5692b3fa_400f3f9f9d8cd96814977a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by = calling a +pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is= then +encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated t= oken and +the alternative initial set. + +When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and= the +alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number f= ield of +the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it +advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet t= ype +modifier to recover the correct packet type. If the recovered packet ty= pe is an +Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server de= crypts +the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that = to +decrypt the payload of the Initial packet. + +When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt= , it can +send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the d= efault Let's assume the presence of an on-path attacker that can drop, forge and= rewrite packets. This attacker is interested in parsing the SNI and ALPN= . The attacker lets the client's first QUICv1 connection through, and the= client gets a token with alternate version and salts, under the cover of= encryption. Some time later, the client wants to open a second connectio= n and sends an obfuscated initial with the new version and salt. The atta= cker can pretty easily figure out that the first packet is an Initial eve= n with the 2bit XOR. The attacker modifies some bits in the token, and re= computes the checksum then sends the modified packet to the server, leavi= ng the version intact. The server verifies the checksum then fails to dec= rypt the token. The server sends VN. The client then retries with QUICv1 = using its original token. The attacker performs the same modification on = that token, and recomputes the checksum and initial auth tag, then sends = the packet to the server. The server will again fail to decrypt the token= , it sends a retry, the client tries again with the retry token, which th= e attacker leaves alone, and the connection successfully establishes with= QUICv1. The **attacker has successfully forced a downgrade** to QUICv1 a= nd was able to extract SNI and ALPN. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the=
 alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is=
 then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated t=
oken and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and=
 the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number f=
ield of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet t=
ype
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet ty=
pe is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server de=
crypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that =
to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt=
, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the d=
efault

Let's assume the presence of an on-path attacker that can drop, forge = and rewrite packets. This attacker is interested in parsing the SNI and A= LPN. The attacker lets the client's first QUICv1 connection through, and = the client gets a token with alternate version and salts, under the cover= of encryption. Some time later, the client wants to open a second connec= tion and sends an obfuscated initial with the new version and salt. The a= ttacker can pretty easily figure out that the first packet is an Initial = even with the 2bit XOR. The attacker modifies some bits in the token, and= recomputes the checksum then sends the modified packet to the server, le= aving the version intact. The server verifies the checksum then fails to = decrypt the token. The server sends VN. The client then retries with QUIC= v1 using its original token. The attacker performs the same modification = on that token, and recomputes the checksum and initial auth tag, then sen= ds the packet to the server. The server will again fail to decrypt the to= ken, it sends a retry, the client tries again with the retry token, which= the attacker leaves alone, and the connection successfully establishes w= ith QUICv1. The attacker has successfully forced a downgrade to QUICv1 and was able to extract SNI and ALPN.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. > @@ -4412,9 +4412,10 @@ The following transport parameters are defined: original_connection_id (0x0000): : The value of the Destination Connection ID field from the first Initial packet - sent by the client. This transport parameter is only sent by a server. A - server MUST include the original_connection_id transport parameter if it sent - a Retry packet. + sent by the client. This transport parameter is only sent by a server. This + is the same value sent in the "Original Destination Connection ID" field of a + Retry packet (see {{packet-retry}}). A server MUST include the I might have misremembered, sorry. In #3120, the text I was concerned about was > If the server sends a Retry packet, it MUST include the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial packet in the transport parameter. But you didn't touch that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3149#pullrequestreview-308889421 ----==_mimepart_5db8c864e45ed_70eb3fc82a4cd95c736da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4412,9 +4412,10 @@ The following transport parameters are defined:
 original_connection_id (0x0000):
 
 : The value of the Destination Connection ID field from the first Initial packet
-  sent by the client.  This transport parameter is only sent by a server.  A
-  server MUST include the original_connection_id transport parameter if it sent
-  a Retry packet.
+  sent by the client.  This transport parameter is only sent by a server.  This
+  is the same value sent in the "Original Destination Connection ID" field of a
+  Retry packet (see {{packet-retry}}).  A server MUST include the

I might have misremembered, sorry. In #3120, the text I was concerned about was

If the server sends a Retry packet, it MUST include the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial packet in the transport parameter.

But you didn't touch that.

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Does not include UDP or IP + overhead. The max datagram size is used for calculating initial and + minimum congestion windows. The RECOMMENDED value is 1200 bytes, may be I think this is actually wrong. (i) It's used for computing cwnd increases as well, but I would drop that list, and (ii) we don't need to recommend 1200, we need to require at least 1200, in keeping with the transport draft. ```suggestion The sender's current maximum payload size. Does not include UDP or IP overhead. The max datagram size is used for calculating minimum congestion windows. An endpoint sets the value of this variable based on its PMTU, with a minimum value of 1200 bytes (see Section 14 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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+: The sender's current maximum payload size. Does not include UDP or=
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+  minimum congestion windows. The RECOMMENDED value is 1200 bytes, may b=
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I think this is actually wrong. (i) It's used for computing cwnd incre= ases as well, but I would drop that list, and (ii) we don't need to recom= mend 1200, we need to require at least 1200, in keeping with the transpor= t draft.

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Thanks for doing this. I wonder if we have any place where we can state the principle that drives this. That is, "after the time indicated in max_idle_timeout, the endpoint will no longer send nor accept packets." > -processed successfully. The timer is also restarted when sending a packet -containing frames other than ACK or PADDING (an ack-eliciting packet; see -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other ack-eliciting packets have been sent -since last receiving a packet. Restarting when sending packets ensures that -connections do not prematurely time out when initiating new activity. - -The value for an idle timeout can be asymmetric. The value advertised by an -endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that -endpoint. An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within a -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint advertises a different max idle timeout, but the effective value ```suggestion Each endpoint advertises a different max_idle_timeout, but the effective value ``` > -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other ack-eliciting packets have been sent -since last receiving a packet. Restarting when sending packets ensures that -connections do not prematurely time out when initiating new activity. - -The value for an idle timeout can be asymmetric. The value advertised by an -endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that -endpoint. An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within a -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint advertises a different max idle timeout, but the effective value +is determined by taking the minimum of the two advertised values. By announcing +a max idle timeout, endpoints commit to initiating an immediate close ```suggestion a max_idle_timeout, endpoints commit to initiating an immediate close ``` > -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint advertises a different max idle timeout, but the effective value +is determined by taking the minimum of the two advertised values. By announcing +a max idle timeout, endpoints commit to initiating an immediate close +({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons a connection prior to the effective value. + +An endpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer is +received and processed successfully. The timer is also restarted when sending +a packet containing frames other than ACK or PADDING (an ack-eliciting packet; +see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other ack-eliciting packets have been +sent since last receiving a packet. Restarting when sending packets ensures +that connections do not prematurely time out when initiating new activity. + +An endpoint that sends packets near the end of its peer's idle timeout period ```suggestion An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout period ``` > @@ -2344,28 +2344,30 @@ source address. ## Idle Timeout {#idle-timeout} -If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection is silently closed and the state is -discarded when it remains idle for longer than both the advertised +If the idle timeout is enabled by either peer, a connection is silently closed +and the state is discarded when it remains idle for longer than the max idle timeout (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and three times the ```suggestion max_idle_timeout (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and three times the ``` > @@ -2344,28 +2344,30 @@ source address. ## Idle Timeout {#idle-timeout} -If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection is silently closed and the state is -discarded when it remains idle for longer than both the advertised +If the idle timeout is enabled by either peer, a connection is silently closed +and the state is discarded when it remains idle for longer than the max ```suggestion and the state is discarded when it remains idle for longer than the ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks for doing this.

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I wonder if we have any place where we can state the principle that dr= ives this. That is, "after the time indicated in max_idle_timeout, the e= ndpoint will no longer send nor accept packets."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+Each endpoint advertises a different max idle timeout, but the effective=
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+Each endpoint advertises a different max idle timeout, but the effective=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will=0D=

-know what information can be retried.=0D
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+({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons a connection prior to the effective=
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Commit: 234249cb96e21ea564a37e7e1dc2107b7acfe1bb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/234249cb96e21ea564a37e7e1dc2107b7acfe1bb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-29 (Tue, 29 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3165 from quicwg/reset-after-fin Don't require RESET_STREAM on terminated streams Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/6e803f135d2d...234249cb96e2 From nobody Tue Oct 29 16:25:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB5A1200A3 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5xZG2a6OKRyo for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9544120128 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444952C130D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572391520; bh=/DOKi5daPdtk23Carrq4JBRywXvMOmJKP1yu1LuWWrQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=SPQtyz3DQFF1vtdPOeGgCEdkiRXSy0w1gfqC9gcgxs2e5kqsdK7I8cdkrvFlsqrmM wP/8kToaZWFxtH3g+xHai+0D1Sofx0sIgyxBfZsKeS32/KVQmAaAnphv6UIogB7RKJ vXPdJhO+DI52gbs5RYHLLht1HmruS+yg42XHeRD4= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:20 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:25:22 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/reset-after-fin Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts From nobody Tue Oct 29 16:25:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32CF120128 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUbw_sUPxQbd for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BFB512006D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A6B52050C for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572391528; bh=JW+yjRP/sz5qE5vdr5ySOHdVmRijhpdmZYx49VDPE3s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ds7DWjH/bE1WBUkCI20yNi5dheaiUeqfCmpk29aYUXJNMxtlGVpgQRMjID5twXmjr aOrOvQYwmOegu46gZmE06X6sWlglosGYQTCyFwhqBkBKbyOgA5lg/LbRGBnyEtRWBt nPPE6eEs6gw8tXdMtQgE4BxYCpiJXGw+Uqyt0jXU= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:25:28 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport API: Reset after FIN? 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This might be receptive to an interop-level test. Dropping Handshake packets from the client should lead to a situation where the client provides ample temptation for the server to break this rule.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet type is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default

Yes, this offers an almost trivial downgrade attack, but this isn't a scenario that we agreed to cover. It does seem to be a little bit too trivial an attack though.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I thought that we had consensus to leave these alone.

I do have one comment in the spirit of the PR though.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4571,10 +4565,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
 +                                                               +
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 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| CID Length (8)|

I think that this change is unnecessary, but you missed a varint.

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----==_mimepart_5db8cd5c2a176_73d53f7fd80cd964167a8-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 16:39:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A6C12006D for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i_A0rNq_0EEK for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 855E812006B for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.47]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4EA6E0040 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:39:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572392391; bh=FcY9pgaMFQv62fmxah+T30FHYv9zd6iPPe8+65RskcI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ruDvAig5MVQtEqEaKFlBBnU5c1Rrb19pWxgld1KcZC1mmnMubIM2MDKg28eiJYG6r cxIbGXuT4DWcXpf6U6Ee9Q2KN7vkxBMyCs3h+div9Nt3CNatECqC03OZ0hlk4V+MTa 5tIWrzJx6TNvgYcXMWN+ZMQXzVdlUnBR3PcRp58Q= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:39:51 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameters varint (#3169) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8cdc7ca9a3_41743fa6cf0cd96486255"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:39:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8cdc7ca9a3_41743fa6cf0cd96486255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > @@ -4571,10 +4565,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d): + + | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| CID Length (8)| Connection ID lengths use a 1-byte encoding throughout the document (long headers, NEW_CONNECTION_ID). I'd rather keep this consistent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169#discussion_r340375849 ----==_mimepart_5db8cdc7ca9a3_41743fa6cf0cd96486255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4571,10 +4565,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| CID Length (8)|

Connection ID lengths use a 1-byte encoding throughout the document (long headers, NEW_CONNECTION_ID). I'd rather keep this consistent.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4571,10 +4565,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
 +                                                               +
 |                                                               |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| CID Length (8)|

Ahh, right. In consistency FTW.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 29 17:14:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46CB120096 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SMkdw-PcQvRF for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1CE412008B for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:14:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572394489; bh=HcfVsrOURa1CVmb5KpiNA247kqEabBgdYHsVOPkoaIM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gEtuWyiTL0jJXGGw16+id7AEn1c9KGEFOv4DBCcsh0QCfrdHHkFl5jUtFMJYoNGly kRX7gbln9l4QI7oLRS2/apVjQl04Njzc6IjA7M0m/M6Al6gBDvnjYf90qEq/4kxUHG jI1t1u0Yq31+nytheFlUR/AbRV3FiDAGDtNXGgYQ= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix handling of Retry in recovery (#3148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8d5f91361c_12353f85914cd960956c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 00:14:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8d5f91361c_12353f85914cd960956c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > +## Handling Retry Packets + +A Retry packet causes a client to send another Initial packet, effectively +restarting the connection process. A Retry packet indicates that the Initial +was received, but not processed. A Retry packet cannot be treated as an +acknowledgment. + +Clients that receive a Retry packet reset congestion control and loss recovery +state, including resetting any pending timers. Other connection state, in +particular cryptographic handshake messages, is retained; see Section 17.2.5 of +{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +The client MAY compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period from +when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation packet +is received. The client MAY use this value in place of its default for the +initial RTT estimate. @mikkelfj's point, IIUC, is that connection ID based routing within your server infrastructure could route your new Initial to a server that is far off. I think this is a legitimate use case, but using this sample as the initial RTT value is fine I'd argue, even if it is wrong some times. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +## Handling Retry Packets
+
+A Retry packet causes a client to send another Initial packet, effectively
+restarting the connection process.  A Retry packet indicates that the Initial
+was received, but not processed.  A Retry packet cannot be treated as an
+acknowledgment.
+
+Clients that receive a Retry packet reset congestion control and loss recovery
+state, including resetting any pending timers.  Other connection state, in
+particular cryptographic handshake messages, is retained; see Section 17.2.5 of
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+The client MAY compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period from
+when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation packet
+is received.  The client MAY use this value in place of its default for the
+initial RTT estimate.

@mikkelfj's point, IIUC, is that connection ID based routing within your server infrastructure could route your new Initial to a server that is far off. I think this is a legitimate use case, but using this sample as the initial RTT value is fine I'd argue, even if it is wrong some times. It is not expected to be the common case, and you replace it in the RTT estimate with the first actual measured value anyways.

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----==_mimepart_5db8e0a518216_770e3fa83b4cd95c122052-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 18:25:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9087120059 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VudpxK_A_Sx5 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27C7512003E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:25:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572398707; bh=mLTB1/aLYmzxIDz9b38SoYUH5wYSk037qCmedAeRbBo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NDmye43mS9bNzpfX3O5kd0Iq1kLSy0ufNuf8g48lgiG79GIKpy/+hCnrcFcbGObK9 oeCKiJFSUbuHeNgg+0rzSUoOJzfxsSNGcYIZekKEU8mZ5zLiqrCrXfSfAJ70LOqOle BD8XNJAZHZl1RRDojhjsBD0KjptFZWAvcPNVvt7E= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8e67365d2c_14113fa74b2cd9681890d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:25:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8e67365d2c_14113fa74b2cd9681890d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a +pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then +encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and +the alternative initial set. + +When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the +alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of +the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it +advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type +modifier to recover the correct packet type. If the recovered packet type is an +Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts +the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to +decrypt the payload of the Initial packet. + +When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can +send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default @DavidSchinazi That's obviously the case. Thank you for pointing that out. I think what the PR fails to state that a Retry token needs to inherit the properties of the NEW_TOKEN token included in the Initial packet that trigerred the Retry. One way doing that is to embed the NEW_TOKEN token in the Retry token. The reason why we need the NEW_TOKEN token to be embedded in the Retry token is not only because there is an attack that you describe. It is necessary because when the server receives the first Initial packet from client that carries the alternative version, and responds with a Retry packet that carries that alternative version, and the client in response sends an Initial packet that carries the Retry token using an Initial packet with the alternative version, the server needs to extract the alternative initial salt (and other information) from the Retry token. I'd update the PR to clarify that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340396154 ----==_mimepart_5db8e67365d2c_14113fa74b2cd9681890d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet type is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default

@DavidSchinazi That's obviously the case. Thank you for pointing that out.

I think what the PR fails to state that a Retry token needs to inherit the properties of the NEW_TOKEN token included in the Initial packet that trigerred the Retry. One way doing that is to embed the NEW_TOKEN token in the Retry token.

The reason why we need the NEW_TOKEN token to be embedded in the Retry token is not only because there is an attack that you describe. It is necessary because when the server receives the first Initial packet from client that carries the alternative version, and responds with a Retry packet that carries that alternative version, and the client in response sends an Initial packet that carries the Retry token using an Initial packet with the alternative version, the server needs to extract the alternative initial salt (and other information) from the Retry token.

I'd update the PR to clarify that.

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Without changing the 1.3 key schedule QUIC could use the exporter MS to derive the client 1-RTT traffic secret.

@ad-l How does this help? Can't the exporter MS derived at the same time as the traffic secrets?

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----==_mimepart_5db8e6eaa3ab4_757e3fcf4becd95c635cb-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 18:31:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B68B1200F7 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:31:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XomTsnP9teS7 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 753A412003E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:31:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572399099; bh=7zAj8XdBwhttobLjoCR3XfaLQQ6x8d5oVpC0PyODyoo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J+BOUZZxYsuEoFg9FmpKV6fAoSZpUMxGQ4FF7XnYwvmtpM+NtUBCg74A7cF3CSPHP E9UUatn+F98Y42mww3LvuygY411rKficERcZJh0IHDtLFmkCGcve3LsR++jXzibzvG np1HKyKOIDHDZFl6lD5D18cKKbNiNSbg9tz/BTYg= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify the client's PTO code by allowing the server to send a PING (#3161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8e7fb9fbeb_3c4b3fde770cd95c41354"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:31:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8e7fb9fbeb_3c4b3fde770cd95c41354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of thoughts. First, this change is not necessarily an overall simplification. It makes things slightly simpler at the client, but it adds about as much code to the server. Additional code has to be added at the server to the PTO response to only send a PING and not a retransmission when the path is not yet validated. Second, I think it does open up an interesting attack vector that is currently absent. @kazuho notes that there is amplification, but I don't think byte amplification is the interesting one here, since the total load is going to be < 1 MTU. The interesting amplification here is packet amplification, which is a useful attack since UDP and packet processing costs at endpoints / clients is a relatively high cost. And you can get a fair number of packets back from the server for spoofing a couple of packets, in spite of the exponential backoff. I'll grant that the attack is a bit of a stretch, and does require that the attacker guess the server's CID and packet number. Though, as @kazuho pointed out to me offline, we allow the server to use a zero-length CID. I don't think this change is necessary. And on balance, I don't think this change is a good one. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3161#issuecomment-547700025 ----==_mimepart_5db8e7fb9fbeb_3c4b3fde770cd95c41354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have a couple of thoughts. First, this change is not necessarily an overall simplification. It makes things slightly simpler at the client, but it adds about as much code to the server. Additional code has to be added at the server to the PTO response to only send a PING and not a retransmission when the path is not yet validated.

Second, I think it does open up an interesting attack vector that is currently absent. @kazuho notes
that there is amplification, but I don't think byte amplification is the interesting one here, since the total load is going to be < 1 MTU. The interesting amplification here is packet amplification, which is a useful attack since UDP and packet processing costs at endpoints / clients is a relatively high cost. And you can get a fair number of packets back from the server for spoofing a couple of packets, in spite of the exponential backoff.

I'll grant that the attack is a bit of a stretch, and does require that the attacker guess the server's CID and packet number. Though, as @kazuho pointed out to me offline, we allow the server to use a zero-length CID.

I don't think this change is necessary. And on balance, I don't think this change is a good one.

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----==_mimepart_5db8e7fb9fbeb_3c4b3fde770cd95c41354-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 18:50:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B31312009E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:50:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dc2DJpOZDehq for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3489120059 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A451C004A for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:50:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572400239; bh=4OltEucm3LPhpLGW3DqcnYEndXNx3Ws6T5lzoh6GZZc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zJ0NINYgdkr4PO/4KQyHhTEY9YHPkaa3XwooBkznSv3FZCQxSfjxqkdNquN8W+aYP bn1KEykGl/j6jjKjmOQQPJePlSttSdGVs11ggPFXWDHak+DjCj2+1kfWGRzpmgNl13 v+2k971Y2PaQhZ6p0DiV+LX8Hf4fWJ3IbEviFsnM= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:50:39 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible (#3057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8ec6f58f88_32a13fd54bacd96418597"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:50:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8ec6f58f88_32a13fd54bacd96418597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for opening other issues, @ianswett. I'm going to merge this, since I think it's a net betterment over what we have. We can continue the other discussions on the other issues/PRs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3057#issuecomment-547703832 ----==_mimepart_5db8ec6f58f88_32a13fd54bacd96418597 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for opening other issues, @ianswett. I'm going to merge this, since I think it's a net betterment over what we have. We can continue the other discussions on the other issues/PRs.

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Commit: df8c4feb8412cdc5060f427eb3e64672db56e0db https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/df8c4feb8412cdc5060f427eb3e64672db56e0db Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-23 (Mon, 23 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- unacknowledged data Commit: 0236874f3a51eb4166b9070a21f1acd8dae432b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0236874f3a51eb4166b9070a21f1acd8dae432b1 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-24 (Tue, 24 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 3662405decdc750cb97d7b1bd3eab1ad62abc0ff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3662405decdc750cb97d7b1bd3eab1ad62abc0ff Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-24 (Thu, 24 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: 6a225b8bfc8b8aad98fa0ffee512f59940db48b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a225b8bfc8b8aad98fa0ffee512f59940db48b5 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-24 (Thu, 24 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: 886db2af9e5c70a553dcf1d71d34fbe75c963a2d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/886db2af9e5c70a553dcf1d71d34fbe75c963a2d Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-24 (Thu, 24 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 997e49fb8553d82031c4dca65604eb0ead7dcac8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/997e49fb8553d82031c4dca65604eb0ead7dcac8 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-10-30 (Wed, 30 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3057 from quicwg/ianswett-must-retransmit PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/234249cb96e2...997e49fb8553 From nobody Tue Oct 29 18:51:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0358C120059 for ; 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Closed #3056 via #3057.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 29 18:56:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7CC1200A3 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:56:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JlxBdmbY-z1d for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0BC12009E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8B22C118A for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:56:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572400577; bh=I1pJQKeWDEXC5a3VFNLveoUSTzt6Bf5sOC4tbxbLDfM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mUrjp8n4Ez6wfZ66bQ1DXWKxt6ycusSTvjL8ZTsHq57njnnZNPICoVuzh6wqwoz9l pQlbU0N1J70vwxu202asP+JEAnnbVjmay9x19Xe53SP20XmnmEEn6ez11xqJpK5e7b Zhm1IKwzdksKZuRTs7i908cnEqYOYF0x8y6IPmOI= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:56:17 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify the client's PTO code by allowing the server to send a PING (#3161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db8edc1df945_55923fe3530cd96c42083"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:56:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db8edc1df945_55923fe3530cd96c42083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do like the idea of sending a PING frame from the server as a signal to the client that it is blocked. I think we can suggest that as an optimization that a clever server might implement _under_ the 3x limit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3161#issuecomment-547704961 ----==_mimepart_5db8edc1df945_55923fe3530cd96c42083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I do like the idea of sending a PING frame from the server as a signal to the client that it is blocked. I think we can suggest that as an optimization that a clever server might implement under the 3x limit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1119,7 +1125,7 @@ PeerNotAwaitingAddressValidation():
          has received 1-RTT ACK
 
 SetLossDetectionTimer():
-  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestLossTime()
+  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_times)

Did you forget to push your fix?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  : The time the most recent ack-eliciting packet was sent.
 
 largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
-loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
+loss_times\[kPacketNumberSpace]:

Revert this change. We use singular for other arrays, which reads better to me anyways.

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I do like the idea of sending a PING frame from the server as a signal to the client that it is blocked. I think we can suggest that as an optimization that a clever server might implement under the 3x limit, or when it reaches the 3x limit.

While endpoints can do that, I am not sure if it is a good idea to endorse such a behavior in the specification.

The reason we have so far been fine with having the 3x limit being applied until the Handshake packets are exchanged is because we assume that the size of ServerHello would not be that large compared to the size of the ClientHello, and therefore that the chance of hitting 3x limit before path validation is minimal. It's a hack.

If we are to address the corner cases that the server hits after sending 3x amount of data, then I think we should fix the hack than putting another hack (i.e. the PING that signals 3x limit) above the existing hack.

I mean, if we think that defining a way that allows the server to unblock the 3x limit is important, we should be considering allowing the use of PATH_CHALLENGE / PATH_RESPONSE frames in Initial packets.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet type is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default

@martinthomson I think the design principle behind this PR that I have are:

  • passive attack does not reveal the payload
  • active attack can lead to the payload being revealed, but is detectable by the endpoints and thereby disrupts the handshake
  • handshake falls back to v1 when the server forgets the token encryption key

As I think the issue pointed out by @DavidSchinazi is addressable (see my comment above), I think we might stick to the principle and how it evolves. If we conclude that the design based on the principle is simple enough, then we'd be fine. If not, we can consider the alternatives.

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@kazuho pushed 2 commits.

  • d16700d use list for implementation guidance, applying @DavidSchnazi's suggestions
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted
+  and before they are decrypted.
+
+* Alternative initial salt; a 16-byte binary blob that is to be used in place of
+  the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}}.
+The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with
+which it can be used.
+
+Typically, a server would pre-allocate a set of unused version numbers as the
+alternative version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a
+packet type modifier chosen at random.  Then, when issuing a token using a
+NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and

Thanks. Makes sense. Adopted in d16700d.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted
+  and before they are decrypted.
+
+* Alternative initial salt; a 16-byte binary blob that is to be used in place of
+  the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
+
+A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}}.
+The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with
+which it can be used.
+
+Typically, a server would pre-allocate a set of unused version numbers as the
+alternative version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a
+packet type modifier chosen at random.  Then, when issuing a token using a
+NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and

Applied in 6158bd9.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with
+which it can be used.

Thank you for the suggestions. Make sense. Applied in 06bd108.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints.  Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.
 
 
+# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial}
+
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC
+packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used,
+which is comprised of:
+
+* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented
+  on wire in place of the version number specified in this document.  This value
+  MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}).
+
+* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise
+  exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake,

Fixed in 7eded0a.

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----==_mimepart_5db90901e96cc_47fd3f9e8e2cd96090312-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 20:55:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B6D120821 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qme7KJL2yBbw for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA16E120052 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D078C10D0 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572407753; bh=XEtY6pap5FD4Lfc5bGut2omb7/AIPwd7o+XqDLZeLdk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bo2uj4mAZ3Sf2LuPAmbdEHEhaZDgQS3KA5gMA6V76kG2bDtBBMgZpM59V4k+wKkLD 6nt9iJ1dd4QllORahS1unWePvbuHw4ImOTH0ucJP8TsxjCx55htcSSKBiZHG36q0ce Q10exQZoIs46OqSnxqUs7rMg0TThPbVI8O1YRCCI= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:55:53 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db909c99a98e_155a3fe81fccd96c83220"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 03:55:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db909c99a98e_155a3fe81fccd96c83220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. I'm concerned about the lack of any sort of commitment here. Let's say that I pack some entropy into my tokens. Using that along with a static key that I have configured I can regenerate the 21 bytes I need to decode the Initial packet that I receive. I advertise any version (maybe except for v1, but in practice you can provide a different salt for v1 off the NEW_TOKEN salt). The same static key (in reality, something derived from it, my key hygiene isn't that poor) is used to remove protection from tokens. That works, but only until I lose the key. When that happens, I will start to receive packets with tokens that I can't parse. But now I have a packet that I can't process, is that a version that I don't understand, or a packet that I can't decrypt? The natural path here is toward the latter, because the server likely has a new key that is used to create new salts for all those versions. This is a whole lot easier if we force the server to commit, because then the server has to manage the fallback case. It makes this more brittle, in the sense that you need to make the static key more durable, but I think that it would be reasonable to expect a server to do that. They probably have to manage session ticket keys in this way. > @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints. Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint. +# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial} + +In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC +packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used, +which is comprised of: + +* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented + on wire in place of the version number specified in this document. This value + MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}). + +* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise + exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake, We have two choices for the placement of these bits in the NEW_TOKEN. 0bXXTTXXXX or 0bXXXXXXTT. The former might be easier to apply, the latter might be easier to explain. > @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints. Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint. +# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial} + +In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC +packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used, +which is comprised of: + +* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented + on wire in place of the version number specified in this document. This value + MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}). + +* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise + exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake, + 0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted + and before they are decrypted. So... This isn't totally clear. There are two "encryption" or "decryption" operations that might apply: the AEAD for packet protection and the masking for header protection. I think that you mean to say that the value you feed into the AAD for packet protection is unmodified and this alteration only applies afterwards. However, I would prefer it if were applied to the raw values so that the XOR is also authenticated by packet protection. 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I'm concerned about the lack of any sort of commitment here.

Let's say that I pack some entropy into my tokens. Using that along with a static key that I have configured I can regenerate the 21 bytes I need to decode the Initial packet that I receive. I advertise any version (maybe except for v1, but in practice you can provide a different salt for v1 off the NEW_TOKEN salt). The same static key (in reality, something derived from it, my key hygiene isn't that poor) is used to remove protection from tokens.

That works, but only until I lose the key. When that happens, I will start to receive packets with tokens that I can't parse.

But now I have a packet that I can't process, is that a version that I don't understand, or a packet that I can't decrypt? The natural path here is toward the latter, because the server likely has a new key that is used to create new salts for all those versions.

This is a whole lot easier if we force the server to commit, because then the server has to manage the fallback case. It makes this more brittle, in the sense that you need to make the static key more durable, but I think that it would be reasonable to expect a server to do that. They probably have to manage session ticket keys in this way.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints.  Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.
 
 
+# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial}
+
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC
+packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used,
+which is comprised of:
+
+* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented
+  on wire in place of the version number specified in this document.  This value
+  MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}).
+
+* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise
+  exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake,

We have two choices for the placement of these bits in the NEW_TOKEN. 0bXXTTXXXX or 0bXXXXXXTT. The former might be easier to apply, the latter might be easier to explain.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints.  Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.
 
 
+# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial}
+
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC
+packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used,
+which is comprised of:
+
+* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented
+  on wire in place of the version number specified in this document.  This value
+  MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}).
+
+* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise
+  exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake,
+  0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted
+  and before they are decrypted.

So... This isn't totally clear. There are two "encryption" or "decryption" operations that might apply: the AEAD for packet protection and the masking for header protection.

I think that you mean to say that the value you feed into the AAD for packet protection is unmodified and this alteration only applies afterwards.

However, I would prefer it if were applied to the raw values so that the XOR is also authenticated by packet protection. Then you have a clear order of operations for applying this information that matches the order of fields:

  1. encode the packet
  2. replace the version
  3. mask the type (if long header)
  4. apply packet and header protection using the new salt

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +## Handling Retry Packets
+
+A Retry packet causes a client to send another Initial packet, effectively
+restarting the connection process.  A Retry packet indicates that the Initial
+was received, but not processed.  A Retry packet cannot be treated as an
+acknowledgment.
+
+Clients that receive a Retry packet reset congestion control and loss recovery
+state, including resetting any pending timers.  Other connection state, in
+particular cryptographic handshake messages, is retained; see Section 17.2.5 of
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+The client MAY compute an RTT estimate to the server as the time period from
+when the first Initial was sent to when a Retry or a Version Negotiation packet
+is received.  The client MAY use this value in place of its default for the
+initial RTT estimate.

I tend to agree. I note that the goal would ordinarily to pick a server that is closer to the client. In those cases, this will just produce a different overestimation of RTT. Hopefully it is still less than 1 second.

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I think that #3166 is good enough. There are lots of ways to slice this and what is proposed there seems like the most tractable. I'm sure that it's not perfect, but I don't think that there will be a perfect answer here.

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My bad for leading you astray there. I forgot that only the resumption secret is spun off after the client Finished. Yes, an exporter doesn't help.

(As an aside, I'm fairly made exporters that way to allow them to be used with QUIC. Bit of a fail there in retrospect.)

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----==_mimepart_5db90aede7548_6fe93fd430ccd960775ef-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 21:01:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7686120821 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:01:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yjhTQMMhEyj2 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ED3C120052 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D62B520050 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:01:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572408115; bh=EIv+hfU5cg49IC//n975+Lrbo1buTzdHA//cNc7SORE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WJbv3Eu2me5lRNeWN2LKDGrnbghbGxG+7nmNGybQA2mHT1xIjvax5i43SVyO/FPZ+ 0BJ5aAcVBPG4taDScvo7D5vhMdu6psEV6+EEE2GYdjJ6qvcYuN4bBU/uqzqB4nD0Ua Er4/xqDYwH4RF8VqxqE3vzM8rls30aXOFl3pZNuY= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:01:55 -0700 From: Antoine Delignat-Lavaud Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake completion (#3159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db90b333ee07_155c3fe81fccd96c340d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ad-l X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 04:01:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db90b333ee07_155c3fe81fccd96c340d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > @ad-l How does this help? Can't the exporter MS derived at the same time as the traffic secrets? Sorry, for some reason I was convinced that exporter master includes client finished, but after double checking, this is only the case of resumption master (honestly I think this is wrong because exporter are used for binding authentication and they pretty much fail at binding client authentication. I would suggest this is fixed in future TLS). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159#issuecomment-547729843 ----==_mimepart_5db90b333ee07_155c3fe81fccd96c340d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ad-l How does this help? Can't the exporter MS derived at the same time as the traffic secrets?

Sorry, for some reason I was convinced that exporter master includes client finished, but after double checking, this is only the case of resumption master (honestly I think this is wrong because exporter are used for binding authentication and they pretty much fail at binding client authentication. I would suggest this is fixed in future TLS).

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The ability to coalesce sent packets is optional and the spec goes to great pains to not require sending them at any point, which has caused much suffering for @ianswett. Moreover, I am not at all convinced that coalescing Finished solves the problem.

I agree, coalescing Finished is just a way to avoid server being blocked. The proper fix to the problem is to ensure that the client traffic secret for 1-RTT is derived from a transcript that includes client finished, as Subodh suggests. Unfortunately, only the TLS resumption master secret includes it.

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----==_mimepart_5db90bc42efb7_117e3fe0b24cd95c240355-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 21:41:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94428120827 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:41:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lP8Xo8w92b8G for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42F5112003E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026426E0453 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:41:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572410485; bh=Mm96omDOSIhpH38kyhE4zMnG5ak40oS53jkw8SCvX7Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HgZS+WDY4Xr8fkKFRvyh3HEkkJuP+hdGwT2L/loBH+LByOr6/1Kilm7FDVIyFzp9P S9PC4/aU7aYEo9Zyk+4UCplCpvfGYtsTGK37MQV0zXRbBQCfLuNMuEoz5h/GuTSjRh xQWBZTy44QJE8Q/iYMrpG46k29cmAVT31sFQ3c8M= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:41:24 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake completion (#3159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db91474e78be_3bcd3f853f8cd968133687"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 04:41:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db91474e78be_3bcd3f853f8cd968133687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would it be unreasonable to derive the client's 1-RTT send key from the resumption master secret then? I guess one downside of this approach is that we'd be using different key derivation paths for server and client, since the server needs to be able to send 0.5-RTT data. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159#issuecomment-547736383 ----==_mimepart_5db91474e78be_3bcd3f853f8cd968133687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Would it be unreasonable to derive the client's 1-RTT send key from the resumption master secret then?
I guess one downside of this approach is that we'd be using different key derivation paths for server and client, since the server needs to be able to send 0.5-RTT data.

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I'd advise against doing anything like that. A change to the key schedule is very disruptive.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC=
-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protecti=
on
 against off-path attackers.
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+Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum.  This is because w=
hen a

We need Token Checksum so that the server can easily determine if ther= e was a bit flip on the wire when it receives an invalid token.

The PR (up until of 7eded0a) requires the server to drop the packet if there wa= s a bit flip on the wire. OTOH, if it was an unusable token (rather than = a bit flip), the server responds with a VN. This distinction is necessary= to prevent bit flips from being mis-detected as an downgrade attack (see= #3166 (comment)).

That said, I agree that this change is intrusive. Considering that we = need to require certain properties for the token (see #3166= (comment)), we might as well state that a NEW_TOKEN token should be = generated in a way that the server can detect bit flips even it has lost = the keys to decrypt the token. In practice, that can be easily achieved b= y attaching CRC32 (or zero-key GMAC).

But finally, this entire discussion is based on the assumption that we= need a downgrade path, which @martinthomson disputes in #3166 (review).

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Is it disruptive because we'd all have to update our implementations (I imagine it would just be one more HKDF call a QUIC stack would perform when the TLS stacks hands it the 1-RTT keys, wouldn't it?), or are there any cryptographic reasons not to do this?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2721,6 +2721,66 @@ between endpoints.  Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.
 
 
+# Alternative Initial Set {#alternative-initial}
+
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC
+packets, a server can announce an alternative set of initial values to be used,
+which is comprised of:
+
+* Alternative version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented
+  on wire in place of the version number specified in this document.  This value
+  MUST NOT be a reserved version ({{versions}}).
+
+* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that is to be applied as a bit-wise
+  exclusive or (XOR) to the most significant bits of the Initial, Handshake,
+  0-RTT, and Retry packets. This XOR is applied after the packets are encrypted
+  and before they are decrypted.

Thanks for arguing for that. I had somehow thought that that's impossible, but I do not know why. Addressed in 14469be.

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My feeble crypto brain says it would be fine, but it feels like enough of a deviation from TLS1.3 to need a formal security analysis.

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----==_mimepart_5db920524f0cd_69aa3fbc04acd96020321f-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 22:35:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC36A120089 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:35:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KTNd4w2J4xja for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0752712003E for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550CCA0C4C for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:35:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572413735; bh=b4z00mcAIg40FLDcniAN3eI8xYMXGiqXX0UK2OLI8hM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kO32WxePiOG3aP6RIVsVK1mINRe5vaku634U9BNCAXEVrhHA8t5LuHnO5HrLMjxE3 oookOfDerJGCmsQRxfIoIp1s2kc0vueBcYQMSu3WuImI7e2gZrFgb/WxtmNslo50Ha JHQTQAS1sK+YUstlx+iQs/1ZxNe+EPbbVC/jmqR8= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:35:35 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db9212745740_4d6f3f9aabccd960822f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:35:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db9212745740_4d6f3f9aabccd960822f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson > This is a whole lot easier if we force the server to commit, because then the server has to manage the fallback case. It makes this more brittle, in the sense that you need to make the static key more durable, but I think that it would be reasonable to expect a server to do that. They probably have to manage session ticket keys in this way. I agree that it would be a much easier if we require the servers to commit. At the same time, I think session ticket encryption keys are not something we should compare with. This is because the impact of losing access to alternative initial salt leads to handshake timeout, while the loss of session ticket encryption key merely leads to a full handshake. We have had this discussion in ESNI, and we ended up adding a fallback (i.e. esni_retry_request) due to a request from one of the largest deployments of TLS. That's why I have so far thought that a fallback is necessary. That said, it might be possible that we have different requirements than ESNI. After all, this alternative set thing is about giving the servers the *option* to issue different initial salts to every recurring connection. A server that advertises an alternative set does not need to work that way; deployments that might lose the key can issue a static initial salt that works across all the connections, and that would still be a win for us. Considering these aspects, I am tempted to drop downgrade from this PR and see how it goes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#issuecomment-547745701 ----==_mimepart_5db9212745740_4d6f3f9aabccd960822f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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This is a whole lot easier if we force the server to commit, because then the server has to manage the fallback case. It makes this more brittle, in the sense that you need to make the static key more durable, but I think that it would be reasonable to expect a server to do that. They probably have to manage session ticket keys in this way.

I agree that it would be a much easier if we require the servers to commit.

At the same time, I think session ticket encryption keys are not something we should compare with. This is because the impact of losing access to alternative initial salt leads to handshake timeout, while the loss of session ticket encryption key merely leads to a full handshake. We have had this discussion in ESNI, and we ended up adding a fallback (i.e. esni_retry_request) due to a request from one of the largest deployments of TLS. That's why I have so far thought that a fallback is necessary.

That said, it might be possible that we have different requirements than ESNI.

After all, this alternative set thing is about giving the servers the option to issue different initial salts to every recurring connection. A server that advertises an alternative set does not need to work that way; deployments that might lose the key can issue a static initial salt that works across all the connections, and that would still be a win for us.

Considering these aspects, I am tempted to drop downgrade from this PR and see how it goes.

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Figure 5 of quic-tls is pretty clear on what should happen, but I think that section could use some normative text.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5503,6 +5503,12 @@ Reason Phrase:
   zero length if the sender chooses to not give details beyond the Error Code.
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
+The application-specific variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1d) can only be
+sent using an 1-RTT packet ({{QUIC-TLS}}; section 4).  An application can close
+the connection during the handshake by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type
+0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a ("user_canceled" alert; see {{?TLS13}}) in an
+Initial or a Handshake packet.

Definitely! Applied in c0b9c93. Thank you.

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@nibanks

The problem is that then there would be two requirements:

  • Application protocols MUST define a generic error code that can be exposed unencrypted.
  • QUIC stacks need to provide an API that tells the application if a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is going to be sent using Initial packets. Each application needs to consult that in order to determine the error code to be sent.

For the first bullet, that's a decision for the application protocols.

At the very least, the transport draft needs to suggest that, otherwise an application protocol might leak information through APPLICATION_CLOSE frames carried in Initial packets.

For the second, I'd argue you don't need any special API. If the app terminates the connection before the "handshake complete" notification then any error code it would pass down to the QUIC API would not be sent in a 1-RTT packet. That state is enough for the app to make an intelligent decision. Another option is to have an API flag that indicate the application close is allowed to be send unencrypted.

Requiring such interaction seems more complicated than just forbidding the use of APPLICATION_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake packets in favor of CONNECTION_CLOSE(user_canceled). How a QUIC stack enforces that is an implementation issue, but for example, when an application instructs the QUIC stack to close the connection, the stack can decide which of the two frames to send based on the current state.

If you assume this is not the common case, then I don't think we need optimize for it. The app just closes the connection after the handshake completes.

I'd dispute that this is an optimization. This is about addressing a security concern that we have so far left open.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 29 23:44:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C20E12008F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6aHYZDnMaS3O for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 283C3120043 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651D6A05FF for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:44:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572417863; bh=lWmpU/ecGdcA1Y6jyQ+USsAYDsLEw1iHAA1+ddRo1os=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N1nO16nV7lUSjvqh7Rr4NjM8Drr1vKypljyoJJdHg9mxWuokYg1Utu4lnjGIpKdBq c/n3fhiy+Okg2yQlEVhWdCOoSeFqR7hnuHSxWIg7tfVC7S+e4SvoUo/G9MwNq5Ay3g aL5wGB3iKWA9ZnQGdTBeOiTcA1HAZQyL77MI/Llc= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:44:23 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite key update section (#3050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db9314754fa9_3c173f7e13acd96c1701b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:44:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db9314754fa9_3c173f7e13acd96c1701b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. @ekr, I think that it is up to us to work out what the key update side channel looks like. (Sorry for leaving these comments pending for so long, I thought that I had posted them already. > This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST NOT send a TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent -key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the -current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet My bad. Refactoring collateral. > -In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of -specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}. +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate} + +Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection. An +endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret +and using that to protect new packets. The endpoint creates a new write secret +from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}. This +uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku". The We are. That's the KDF TLS provides. To your point below, the label is "tls13 quic ku". When we get TLS 1.4, assuming that it makes minimal changes, we'll use HKDF-Expand-Label with "tls14 quic ku". > +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate} + +Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection. An +endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret +and using that to protect new packets. The endpoint creates a new write secret +from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}. This +uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku". The +corresponding key and IV are created from that secret as defined in +{{protection-keys}}. The header protection key is not updated. + +For example, to update write keys with TLS 1.3, HKDF-Expand-Label is used as: + +~~~ +secret_ = HKDF-Expand-Label(secret_, "quic ku", + "", Hash.length) +~~~ See above. We're not changing the label the KDF uses internally. Elsewhere we have "tls13 " + "quic iv" or "quic key" or "quic hp". > +The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and +IV to protect all subsequent packets. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an +acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current +key phase. This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another +can be initiated. + +Note: + +: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are + derived solely from the TLS handshake state. + +The endpoint that initiates a key update also updates the keys that it uses for +receiving packets. These keys will be needed to process packets the peer sends +after updating. This is part of the removal of timing side channels. I know that you think that's overcomplex, but I am current disinclined to agree. More later. > + +Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing +side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see +{{header-protect-analysis}}). Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in +place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys +will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove +packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be +rejected. + +The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could +reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY perform this process as +part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by +an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase +bit in certain packets. Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next +set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update +completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}. I disagree. I agree with you that the leak is minor. And that acquiring the signal might be difficult (but nor do I think that it's impossible). However, I think that the fix is cheap. As long as you aren't resource-constrained, you just ensure that you always have the next set of keys available. The recommendation is really only around deferring that processing. It's not zero effort, but I doubt that "a lot more complicated" is accurate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3050#pullrequestreview-300403036 ----==_mimepart_5db9314754fa9_3c173f7e13acd96c1701b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

@ekr, I think that it is up to us to work out what the key update side channel looks like.

(Sorry for leaving these comments pending for so long, I thought that I had posted them already.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST NOT send a
 TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
-key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
-current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet

My bad. Refactoring collateral.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of
-specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}.
+## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The

We are. That's the KDF TLS provides.

To your point below, the label is "tls13 quic ku". When we get TLS 1.4, assuming that it makes minimal changes, we'll use HKDF-Expand-Label with "tls14 quic ku".

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The
+corresponding key and IV are created from that secret as defined in
+{{protection-keys}}.  The header protection key is not updated.
+
+For example, to update write keys with TLS 1.3, HKDF-Expand-Label is used as:
+
+~~~
+secret_<n+1> = HKDF-Expand-Label(secret_<n>, "quic ku",
+                                 "", Hash.length)
+~~~

See above. We're not changing the label the KDF uses internally.

Elsewhere we have "tls13 " + "quic iv" or "quic key" or "quic hp".

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and
+IV to protect all subsequent packets.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an
+acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current
+key phase.  This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another
+can be initiated.
+
+Note:
+
+: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are
+  derived solely from the TLS handshake state.
+
+The endpoint that initiates a key update also updates the keys that it uses for
+receiving packets.  These keys will be needed to process packets the peer sends
+after updating.

This is part of the removal of timing side channels. I know that you think that's overcomplex, but I am current disinclined to agree. More later.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing
+side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see
+{{header-protect-analysis}}).  Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in
+place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys
+will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove
+packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be
+rejected.
+
+The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
+reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
+an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
+bit in certain packets.  Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next
+set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
+completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.

I disagree.

I agree with you that the leak is minor. And that acquiring the signal might be difficult (but nor do I think that it's impossible).

However, I think that the fix is cheap. As long as you aren't resource-constrained, you just ensure that you always have the next set of keys available. The recommendation is really only around deferring that processing. It's not zero effort, but I doubt that "a lot more complicated" is accurate.

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This overhauls the system for IANA registries to use a unified scheme that allows provisional registration. This seems pretty complicated in terms of nailing down all the corner cases, but it is fairly simple in practice:

  • Provisional registration is easy, it only requires that the requester provide contact information and (ideally) the codepoint they want. They could provide more, but at their discretion.

  • Permanent registration requires that you fill out the fields.

Experts are required for both, but only really to prevent spam. We have a few more requirements for permanent registrations of frame types, but that is more for the purposes of advice, because sending an new frame leads to protocol errors if you haven't agreed to that in the past.

I've sketched out a strawman for a codepoint reclamation process. That advises that experts try to find some use of the codepoint. There is a date on registrations that can guide the selection of codepoints to reclaim, but these can be updated any time by anyone who wants to keep the registration "live".

I wanted to sketch this out for transport first, but I intend to update this PR with changes to the HTTP draft if these policies are agreeable.

Closes #3109. Closes #3020.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3170

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  • Allow provisional registrations for all registries

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----==_mimepart_5db9318b5b1fb_5f643fefeeecd95c2137e5-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 23:55:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269B1120857 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BfOV1hpYrDK3 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C52011200C7 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9979A6E153F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:55:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572418533; bh=btrczv+bjLeAnLVkGRG9CxWdPoJDC+ojr9Fh+rjlWB8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yYWqZ/ssFlTJz+qqkFjOQsqLCGIJArnnjQGy+/o0Wj11sj3PP/JmeVhDySMYUijIf lH2W9DarlulEI2ROFAlANSzoxJ6Aapj3K1YFb2nyHdvOf69YPWh0eIXrKnpQ4+cQBL DHTL/dbT2CagKgOOJS0BgDWY4QOYRagWRQLtjgzg= Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 23:55:33 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake completion (#3159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db933e58acae_609e3fc6d00cd95c1451ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:55:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db933e58acae_609e3fc6d00cd95c1451ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > are there any cryptographic reasons not to do this? If we did something like this, it would likely trigger completely new analysis of the protocol. The thing that concerns me is that it would reduce or eliminate key separation between resumption keys and traffic keys, which is a concern. We'd be better off creating a new "secret" with the same transcript being input to its expansion. But that smells a lot like defining TLS 1.4 to me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159#issuecomment-547763004 ----==_mimepart_5db933e58acae_609e3fc6d00cd95c1451ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

are there any cryptographic reasons not to do this?

If we did something like this, it would likely trigger completely new analysis of the protocol. The thing that concerns me is that it would reduce or eliminate key separation between resumption keys and traffic keys, which is a concern. We'd be better off creating a new "secret" with the same transcript being input to its expansion. But that smells a lot like defining TLS 1.4 to me.

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@kazuho pushed 4 commits.

  • 4e95ee6 clarify how a server can opt-out
  • bacab50 Revert "protect token using checksum (reusing text from #3120 by @DavidSchinazi)"
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  • 3f4e7cc server always announce (though it can effectively opt-out)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection
 against off-path attackers.
 
+Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum.  This is because when a

The checksum is very useful in situations where a bridge forwards a connection over an alternative medium such as USB or Bluetooth. The Retry and VN packets are the only packets that don't have self-integrity checks and such a bridge would be forced to provide additional framing. This framing is tolerable for VN because it is universal, but for Retry it requires version knowledge. It is much simpler if packets can just be forwarded with no knowledge other than length.

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Maybe we need to add an API recommendation (not requirement) that says that "an application could be allowed to close a connection during handshake using a transport connection close frame". This is similar to my earlier suggestion that an application could be allowed to reject incoming connections because the server is busy or whatever - this suggestion was not accepted as a requirement because it isn't necessary, but it is still a good thing to support. The question is then, how is the connection taken down - i.e. silently or with a transport close?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5503,6 +5503,12 @@ Reason Phrase:
   zero length if the sender chooses to not give details beyond the Error Code.
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
+The application-specific variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1d) can only be
+sent using an 1-RTT packet ({{QUIC-TLS}}, Section 4).  An application that
+wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake can send a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a ("user_canceled" alert; see
+{{?TLS13}}) in an Initial or a Handshake packet.
+

Applications cannot send frames so this requires that the API supports it, which I think they should be recommended to support, but not necessarily be required to support.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5503,6 +5503,12 @@ Reason Phrase:
   zero length if the sender chooses to not give details beyond the Error Code.
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
+The application-specific variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1d) can only be
+sent using an 1-RTT packet ({{QUIC-TLS}}, Section 4).  An application that
+wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake can send a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a ("user_canceled" alert; see
+{{?TLS13}}) in an Initial or a Handshake packet.
+

Good point. Addressed in eb30e2a.

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Could contact information be replaced with a domain name. There is much abuse of contact information and domain names can have private contact information? Also, maintaining an email address is harder over time. I realize the field contact field doesn't say email, but that is sort of implied.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a
+pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then
+encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and
+the alternative initial set.
+
+When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the
+alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of
+the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it
+advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type
+modifier to recover the correct packet type.  If the recovered packet type is an
+Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts
+the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to
+decrypt the payload of the Initial packet.
+
+When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can
+send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default

373257b clarifies that the alternative initial set would (or should) be available through the Retry token. The text is kept informative, as the PR no longer allows a downgrade.

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@marten-seemann it's disruptive also because of possible ongoing hardware design. That said, if it is important enough to fix ...

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----==_mimepart_5db94146c7d2d_3c283f7e13acd96c448959-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 01:14:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD461200B5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:14:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GCaoURHKyEsb for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56196120090 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96EB1C025F for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:14:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572423267; bh=QUlwWf4nCiaAX+8Ggibq1be0kkc+pjQX1L3heMkkRMY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RipzcfksjZ+EzuHTBNFZKHhy/OSS9Eq4eXCyiM4CE6OanJmx5+3W+Qf7+kYJ/Ydlh SqdHfZ9IfiXn9DXtip5U3b8DIRBMtLS79uBsxSBoP8aRhiDGIvDod93cLXl9rwX2Hn Oekol42u3MNVmHkh8p+rcsdzZRUgSJ3u/Xf19v1s= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:14:27 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add retry integrity tag (#3120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db94663b9d7e_64333f830facd95c795787"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 08:14:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db94663b9d7e_64333f830facd95c795787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho approved this pull request. Thank you for writing this up. Looks good to me. I do not have a strong opinion regarding if we should encipher the token (using a fixed key) to enforce the client to consult the integrity tag. It's good in terms of enforcing verification. It does not change the complexity of the design. There would be a performance penalty when using a software cipher (i.e. when you do *not* have AESNI). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#pullrequestreview-309019991 ----==_mimepart_5db94663b9d7e_64333f830facd95c795787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho approved this pull request.

Thank you for writing this up. Looks good to me.

I do not have a strong opinion regarding if we should encipher the token (using a fixed key) to enforce the client to consult the integrity tag. It's good in terms of enforcing verification. It does not change the complexity of the design. There would be a performance penalty when using a software cipher (i.e. when you do not have AESNI).

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----==_mimepart_5db94663b9d7e_64333f830facd95c795787-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 02:11:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA2F1208C5 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 02:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wz8_j6wspj_X for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 02:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69A0C1200E0 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 02:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 02:11:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572426702; bh=Hm/k09Miefp2e/wgne4215x1aI74nXqWHlGv37Ynm6Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=flRzk8an0O8/yWDnwARdcEQVQyAcez7QRaTSG6daFZijy3pNB3N72C8w7/A7JM3X5 xb3xLb5Z3baBqB8EhN29FlYZRB6LmSnyWm+sJeDuR7NEoMSeLSkwlRWvr7DBLnVHEq d9LNOeb2Kk7LCOSfUbOLGy9jwrb25jIzTr9sD/xg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db953ce8f282_623b3fcf15acd964528546"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 09:11:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db953ce8f282_623b3fcf15acd964528546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. This protection does not provide confidentiality or integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection against off-path attackers. +Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum. This is because when a The checksum can be provided by the server on its own. The only reason you would provide a separate field for one is so that the client can validate it. But the client can ensure that the NEW_TOKEN was not modified through packet protection. Good to see this was removed :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340497714 ----==_mimepart_5db953ce8f282_623b3fcf15acd964528546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3940,6 +4007,19 @@ described in {{QUIC-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection
 against off-path attackers.
 
+Additionally, the token is accompanied by a checksum.  This is because when a

The checksum can be provided by the server on its own. The only reason you would provide a separate field for one is so that the client can validate it. But the client can ensure that the NEW_TOKEN was not modified through packet protection. Good to see this was removed :)

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----==_mimepart_5db953ce8f282_623b3fcf15acd964528546-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 05:45:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54463120811 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:45:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HrAQrGC9aakt for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABC321201E0 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 05:45:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572439532; bh=3gfjbrrg4phLphQU4Jzl5fhrdEJ263XjsuO2rl4LC6E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PPswNiRdrHFs+VVQb4R8ORk9lbV/NdAlpyLS0UbqFHoDR9/RSYPYBUdHOTi34zzYO pTNzbjtEhkrOH+Uva6WRbc3mk/IGHlYrzZzyI/Pi84yVUuD4+ouiod9/YOBzSKcfNX t2OXxOMA3+Nw9ti7lEnnI5T+l93V5M0tPt50LQIU= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add retry integrity tag (#3120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db985eccbcaf_31743fe4612cd96092383b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:45:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db985eccbcaf_31743fe4612cd96092383b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There would be a performance penalty when using a software cipher (i.e. when you do not have AESNI). Yes, this is also a concern I have but it might not be worth the complexity. A use case goes like: Embedded microcontroller links to hub via bluetooh and does not have an IP network of its own, but it does have a complete QUIC endpoint that the hub should not interfere with other than deliver to the proper IP remote endpoint and attach a local IP. The device is constrained and only supports ChaCha/Poly crypto. The exception is then the Retry packet (and possibly the Initial packet, I don't recall). This requires additional software which may be a problem in limited flash storage even if the initial slowdown is otherwise acceptable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#issuecomment-547883959 ----==_mimepart_5db985eccbcaf_31743fe4612cd96092383b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There would be a performance penalty when using a software cipher (i.e. when you do not have AESNI).

Yes, this is also a concern I have but it might not be worth the complexity.

A use case goes like:

Embedded microcontroller links to hub via bluetooh and does not have an IP network of its own, but it does have a complete QUIC endpoint that the hub should not interfere with other than deliver to the proper IP remote endpoint and attach a local IP.

The device is constrained and only supports ChaCha/Poly crypto. The exception is then the Retry packet (and possibly the Initial packet, I don't recall). This requires additional software which may be a problem in limited flash storage even if the initial slowdown is otherwise acceptable.

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I added a bit more detail about why it cannot be treated as an acknowledgement. From nobody Wed Oct 30 06:38:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567A41200DE for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4uG_v2AJm5o for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16BD212003F for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572442684; bh=Y0NypXdK4FSLk4Ags15p8INs3rgAFp0DjrJaeBqwMQQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=UAAK0qz+2QeVMhf/u+Is5dzMfG2FxcNBNd7awljPBWACx10Tnmz+i6rkxuruunGH4 ByWyrK9i20l34iM/u4RO9UU98nFFmnoFPU/HzY7gEwVrYtYZCXubeXzuaASCLhf+Qj ysLR+DNplNotED8JMsFJEeejEBux1j9h1yzR9r2w= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 4c022d: Script updating gh-pages from e67136d3. 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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 30 06:38:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7F112090A for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 37F4w0FEhbtu for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22F6912003F for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E39CA043C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572442687; bh=ihMcOzDMnoxJ9A+AORcdt/GhfwWENyTKr07IIFeq1E0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bAcJICrHGi9mfciknb7vR+gO4BQqem2vxMT9l6gb89kPND8t3RtQplz6hp81x+Icb n8wfVM6BDqHhnqxYYveGVFptzY/iFN7Mp9dAX/Pw/+9Lj3PdyRxrOQyra2GdbAPmpk pyw1pT+xjFFhAzUJP0cZFk2hK8UBOgqiD3eQPpto= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:38:07 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retry MUST NOT -> cannot be treated as an acknowledgement (#3171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db9923f3ffed_113f3fee7aecd968101276"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:38:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db9923f3ffed_113f3fee7aecd968101276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't notice this change @martinthomson PR #3148, but I think the older text is more correct. I added a bit more detail about why it cannot be treated as an acknowledgement. https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3148/files/af478ca2727121b53a0c03c21965c39c961ab9b5..3a6f65f82156772609b98c180809db4230c06aac You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3171 -- Commit Summary -- * Retry MUST NOT -> cannot be treated as an acknowledgement -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3171.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3171.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3171 ----==_mimepart_5db9923f3ffed_113f3fee7aecd968101276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I didn't notice this change @martinthomson PR #3148, but I think the older text is more correct. I added a bit more detail about why it cannot be treated as an acknowledgement.

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3148/files/af478ca2727121b53a0c03c21965c39c961ab9b5..3a6f65f82156772609b98c180809db4230c06aac

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3171

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@kazuho Ok. You've convinced me that it is just easier (and probably safer) to restrict application close to 1-RTT. Though, I'd like to point out, there's nothing preventing an implementation from doing it anyways.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-If a header block was potentially blocking, the encoder infers from receiving a
-Header Acknowledgement instruction ({{header-acknowledgement}}) that the decoder
-has received all dynamic table state necessary to process that header block.  If
-the Required Insert Count of the acknowledged header block is greater than the
-current Known Received Count, the encoder updates the Known Received Count to
-the value of the Required Insert Count of the acknowledged header block.
+The Known Received Count is the total number of acknowledged dynamic table
+insertions and duplications.  It is updated using Header Acknowledgement

That's a good point. I'm reverting most of this paragraph. Sorry for the churn.

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@bencebeky pushed 2 commits.

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Acting on @bencebeky's suggestion.

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In #3159 it's becoming clear that some QUIC server implementations are using their 1RTT receive keys before getting CFIN, which is not supposed to happen.

IMO, there are going to be plenty of hacky QUIC implementations but only a handful of TLS implementations, especially TLS implementations that have the special APIs required for QUIC. This is the narrow waist where we should enforce good behavior.

Figure 5 of quic-tls shows that we shouldn't deliver the keys that early, but there's no normative language. I will file a PR shortly for quic-tls that imposes this requirement, so that QUIC implementations can't possibly mess this up.

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Thank you, this greatly improves clarity.

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Fix for #3173.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

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This change has been suggested by afrind at
#3133 (comment) on
the basis that the Base is a count, and comparing an index to a count
feels awkward.

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  • Compare indices to the _value of the_ base.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -965,9 +965,8 @@ entry.
 
 ### Indexed Header Field
 
-An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in either the static
-table or the dynamic table and causes that header field to be added to the
-decoded header list.
+An indexed header field representation identifies an entry in the static table,
+or an entry in the dynamic table with an absolute index less than the Base.

I do not feel strongly, but I was happy to draft #3175 to address this.

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This review _suggests_ changes, not "requires" them. > An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an -existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry. In order to avoid -this, an encoder that uses the dynamic table has to keep track of blocking -entries. +existing entry) unless all entries that would be evicted are evictable. In That a bit of a roundabout way of stating that encoder might not be able to free up enough room due to non-evictable entries. Perhaps instead of ".. unless..." > ...if the dynamic table does not have enough room and one or more entries that would need to be evicted to make room are not evictable. > -A dynamic table entry is considered blocking and cannot be evicted until its -insertion has been acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged -references to the entry. In particular, a dynamic table entry that has never -been referenced can still be blocking. +A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it The heading says this section is about limits on insertions, yet it begins with limits on evictions. It would be better to start with something like > Insertion of the dynamic table entry may not be possible if the table contains entries that cannot be evicted. [Explanation follows.] -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3172#pullrequestreview-309404880 ----==_mimepart_5db9cec154720_76cc3fb1504cd95c153554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov requested changes on this pull request.

This review suggests changes, not "requires" them.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an
-existing entry) if doing so would evict a blocking entry.  In order to avoid
-this, an encoder that uses the dynamic table has to keep track of blocking
-entries.
+existing entry) unless all entries that would be evicted are evictable.  In

That a bit of a roundabout way of stating that encoder might not be able to free up enough room due to non-evictable entries.

Perhaps instead of ".. unless..."

...if the dynamic table does not have enough room and one or more entries that would need to be evicted to make room are not evictable.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-A dynamic table entry is considered blocking and cannot be evicted until its
-insertion has been acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged
-references to the entry.  In particular, a dynamic table entry that has never
-been referenced can still be blocking.
+A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it

The heading says this section is about limits on insertions, yet it begins with limits on evictions. It would be better to start with something like

Insertion of the dynamic table entry may not be possible if the table contains entries that cannot be evicted. [Explanation follows.]

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Incorporated, though the parenthetical reads even more awkwardly now. Suggestions on improving that (or consensus to drop it) are welcome.

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This is one possible design, for a server that wants to do minimal work. A server could, however, extract the salt and put it in the Retry token, no? We should word this as a suggested implementation, not as the only one.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,8 +2740,10 @@ which is comprised of:
   the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
 
 A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}}.
-The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with
-which it can be used.
+The token MUST permit the server to recover at least the alternative version
+number being associated to the token.  This property can be achieved for example

It MUST be able to recover the salt as well, I think. It's possible that version number maps directly to salt -- but then, that's one implementation of being able to recover it.

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----==_mimepart_5db9e7e865df9_57493fcdea0cd968122686-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 12:56:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77E7120914 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:56:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P4Aq4sz5X9pY for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03B1E120909 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:56:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572465414; bh=AsXijYoZFoVXDaNe4TJKW1Y+blZmPlLIfR+or7Hmx+w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C/15IweyNS6OeuAvJfgk4+/sI+CLcxPz/3SYdwByDV8KPrhrSBUqvU5kbf0L74ZYW 9bpNgUj8E42CukHCcyMk2DifBLZENroB9GwTppqE1bRSb8FkDd+xT4Zwq3t5qMBFZe AbUbcgqY5lZrRE0Nm8bsmgJDwRmkl6Y5P+ulswtQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db9eb06561d6_beb3f9d2accd95c2134de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:56:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db9eb06561d6_beb3f9d2accd95c2134de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. I can see both sides with regard to a fallback path. A MitM that wanted to force you back to v1 could manufacture a VN packet in response to versions it doesn't understand, swallowing the Initial or the server's actual reply. Prohibiting fallback means that such a MitM can only prevent connections, not inspect the ClientHello. That said, I'm dubious that most clients will not fall back at all. The alternative is falling back to TCP, which is even more inspectable, or total connection failure. History shows that total connection failure is not an outcome most clients or servers are comfortable with. I think what we really want is a fallback path where an intermediary's attempt at interference becomes visible; endpoints can decide how to proceed in that situation without the spec telling them. But then we're back to designing QUIC's version negotiation and downgrade protection mechanism, something we said we weren't going to do in v1. > @@ -4970,6 +5080,30 @@ The NEW_TOKEN frame is as follows: NEW_TOKEN frames contain the following fields: +Lifetime: + +: Indicates the lifetime of the values contained in this frame in milliseconds. + An endpoint MUST NOT use the values provided by this frame, once the time that ```suggestion An endpoint MUST NOT use the values provided by this frame once the time that ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#pullrequestreview-309480916 ----==_mimepart_5db9eb06561d6_beb3f9d2accd95c2134de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I can see both sides with regard to a fallback path. A MitM that want= ed to force you back to v1 could manufacture a VN packet in response to v= ersions it doesn't understand, swallowing the Initial or the server's act= ual reply. Prohibiting fallback means that such a MitM can only prevent = connections, not inspect the ClientHello.

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That said, I'm dubious that most clients will not fall back at all. T= he alternative is falling back to TCP, which is even more inspectable, or= total connection failure. History shows that total connection failure i= s not an outcome most clients or servers are comfortable with.

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I think what we really want is a fallback path where an intermediary's= attempt at interference becomes visible; endpoints can decide how to pro= ceed in that situation without the spec telling them. But then we're bac= k to designing QUIC's version negotiation and downgrade protection mechan= ism, something we said we weren't going to do in v1.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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I don't think we should weaken the core protocol just because H3 (usually) needs TCP fallback.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -draining state before the packets arrive.  If a peer could timeout within a
-Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to
-test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely.  Note
-that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will
-know what information can be retried.
+Each endpoint advertises a different max idle timeout, but the effective value
+is determined by taking the minimum of the two advertised values. By announcing
+a max idle timeout, endpoints commit to initiating an immediate close
+({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons a connection prior to the effective value.
+
+An endpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer is
+received and processed successfully.  The timer is also restarted when sending
+a packet containing frames other than ACK or PADDING (an ack-eliciting packet;
+see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other ack-eliciting packets have been
+sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting when sending packets ensures
+that connections do not prematurely time out when initiating new activity.

If you're going to explain why you restart when sending, you might need to explain why you don't restart when sending subsequent packets. Perhaps "when sending one or more packets" might help point this explanation at bursts, rather than at individual packets?

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In Sec. 14.1, current transport draft said that:
"Each pair of local and remote addresses could have a different PMTU. QUIC implementations that implement any kind of PMTU discovery therefore SHOULD maintain a maximum packet size for each combination of local and remote IP addresses."

However, if only UDP port changes, ECMP could cause traffic to be routed through different physical paths, which potentially have different PMTUs. I wonder if Maximum packet size should be per 4-tuple instead.

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----==_mimepart_5db9f825bdd62_acf3fc64aacd960295630-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 14:16:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1800C120924 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zsqx6vm4H2OE for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CDFC12091B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A7F1C2F94 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572470181; bh=C1CtjSDpqNPDzq4gWzY7clnRXS+fhjgxizHKhg/qxfw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HtTxtD2mHbsMqjbGbDbiBkxAXtbO3OBoOlHtwx+7tPlNlA97YfpqQGrwluwpDGb/I UKTBH0USvCGNPAZ4qwGYzoedYE11oB3cIy+4X6P993kktoQAnHOMgRYrm37Ngbuhh6 4aD3LW+sSS4NKqeljtjhgwXKCHBVHxH0oFNwmlX0= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:16:21 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow provisional registrations for all registries (#3170) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5db9fda5425b4_76d63fd62b4cd95c1103c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:16:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5db9fda5425b4_76d63fd62b4cd95c1103c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > +accurate representation of any deployed usage. + + +### Permanent Registrations {#iana-permanent} + +Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy +{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified. The designated expert(s) verify that +a specification exists and is readily accessible. Expert(s) are encouraged to +be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or +actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally +dubious). The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on +permanent registrations. + +The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where +registrations are governed by a different registration policy. For instance, +the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for typo: stricter > +Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy +{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified. The designated expert(s) verify that +a specification exists and is readily accessible. Expert(s) are encouraged to +be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or +actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally +dubious). The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on +permanent registrations. + +The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where +registrations are governed by a different registration policy. For instance, +the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for +codepoints in the range from 0 to 63. + +Any stricter requirements for permanent registrations do not prevent provisional +registrations for affected codepoints. For instance, a provisional registration +for a frame type {{iana-frames}} of 61 could be requested. I think this example contradicts these two statements from this PR? > The "QUIC Frame Types" registry [...] values between 0x00 and 0x3f are assigned using Standards Action or IESG Approval. > Provisional registrations require Expert Review. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3170#pullrequestreview-309521923 ----==_mimepart_5db9fda5425b4_76d63fd62b4cd95c1103c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +accurate representation of any deployed usage.
+
+
+### Permanent Registrations {#iana-permanent}
+
+Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy
+{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified.  The designated expert(s) verify that
+a specification exists and is readily accessible.  Expert(s) are encouraged to
+be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or
+actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally
+dubious).  The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on
+permanent registrations.
+
+The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where
+registrations are governed by a different registration policy.  For instance,
+the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for

typo: stricter

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy
+{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified.  The designated expert(s) verify that
+a specification exists and is readily accessible.  Expert(s) are encouraged to
+be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or
+actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally
+dubious).  The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on
+permanent registrations.
+
+The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where
+registrations are governed by a different registration policy.  For instance,
+the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for
+codepoints in the range from 0 to 63.
+
+Any stricter requirements for permanent registrations do not prevent provisional
+registrations for affected codepoints.  For instance, a provisional registration
+for a frame type {{iana-frames}} of 61 could be requested.

I think this example contradicts these two statements from this PR?

The "QUIC Frame Types" registry [...] values between 0x00 and 0x3f are assigned using Standards Action or IESG Approval.

Provisional registrations require Expert Review.

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@kazuho encrypting using AES-GCM with an all-zero key and all-zero nonce is just a XOR operation between a known string and the cleartext so the performance cost is very low.

@mikkelfj QUICv1 uses AES-GCM for Initial packets so all QUIC clients need AES-GCM support. You're free to build a different version of QUIC that only uses ChaChaPoly, but that won't impact the design of QUICv1.

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@DavidSchinazi on AES-GCM that is not correct: The crypto part yes, but you do not encrypt you only GHASH because it is AEAD only. GHASH is a 128-bit carryless multiplication over a Galois Field which completes the checksum. If you CLMUL instructions this is efficient, otherwise not so much. That is where Poly1305 is a gain. CLMUL is not very common on misc. controllers even if they have other accelerations, at least for the time being. E.g. ESP8266.

I agree that AES-GCM is the right choice given the circumstances but I think Poly1305 would be better for initial and retry because it would work in a broader range. The benefit of AES-GCM is that highly loaded servers will have the necessary accelleration and may slow down on AES-GCM - even if this is a tiny fraction of the overall connection cost, it may be important as it fends of noise from the broader internet.

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@junhochoi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When a PTO timer expires, the PTO period MUST be set to twice its current
 value. This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because
 the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe
-congestion.  The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is
-limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
+congestion.  Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple
+packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across
+all spaces to prevent excess load on the network.  For example, a timeout in
+the Initial packet number space doubles the length of the timeout in the
+Handshake packet number space.

If I understand correctly,
When Initial PTO is 10ms and Handshake PTO is 15ms:
when Initial PTO expires, Initial PTO becomes 10ms and Handshake PTO becomes 30ms

Does it means Handshake PTO need to be re-armed at the point of Initial PTO expiration?
It may mean that Handshake PTO never be fired if Initial PTO keeps firing. There is other
text L544 saying that Initial and Handshake ack-eliciting packet should be sent at
Initial PTO expires. Then probably Handshake PTO need to be rearmed because we sent
Handshake ack-eliciting packet.
So for me it looks like now Initial PTO dominates Handshake PTO until Initial phase is complete.
Is my understanding correct?

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----==_mimepart_5dba0827ac3dd_11723f817f0cd95c14876e-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 15:24:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39866120B62 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RvsWjPK7yvo9 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D510F120B69 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:24:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572474273; bh=tl8tqhBZBU36gK4OYMz9VQ5GwnAvZVidKHgwG7vd/XA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eYgjGYFx0Sok8ukav+gznoHa3cuCczuXs6bXWw0t5jogbU7BLY4RgPit25OUy5jdn CplEUljabsBrmiTPAA0gQT76OrUSbe+REKJzDxwsDxcwgXXwQcZj1XP9cSV6KYwImT NSugOl0zpHWOLZkl0TfQk74oMDvqTofz65SFh3rc= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify the scope of a NEW_TOKEN token (#3156) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba0da1d4c3_54f63fd6790cd96c299335"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:24:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba0da1d4c3_54f63fd6790cd96c299335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -1698,10 +1698,13 @@ encrypted form in the token. It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful. -If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection -to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the -Token field of its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to -validate the client address without an additional round trip. +A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable to any server that the +connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the +certificate). When connecting to a server for which the client retains an +applicable and unused token, it SHOULD include that token in the Token field of +its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to validate the +client address without an additional round trip. A client MUST NOT include a +token that is not applicable to the server that it is connecting to. What happens if it does anyway? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3156#pullrequestreview-309557851 ----==_mimepart_5dba0da1d4c3_54f63fd6790cd96c299335 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1698,10 +1698,13 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different
 connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 
-If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
-Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable to any server that the
+connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the
+certificate).  When connecting to a server for which the client retains an
+applicable and unused token, it SHOULD include that token in the Token field of
+its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to validate the
+client address without an additional round trip.  A client MUST NOT include a
+token that is not applicable to the server that it is connecting to.

What happens if it does anyway?

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Probably a bit overkill, but since it wasn't explicitly stated + I thought we had replaced "octets" with bytes everywhere else.

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  • Further specify frame Length field

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I'm going to have this PR match the algorithm used for Initial, and stick with AES-GCM. Feel free to file a separate issue to discuss using ChaChaPoly for both.

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I think it is way too late to make such a change, which is why I wrote that given the circumstances I agree with the design choice.

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----==_mimepart_5dba131f71789_36333ffb134cd968179189-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 16:11:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F84F120232 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WILx09XEcXwF for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30054120018 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34150C605FB for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572477109; bh=wprk5re/isM/SrbaWrBmaS1PXlG5XRtR9Yfpoxeal3s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MNoyRSMOaxWPOtTg/7jWBI0iN2d4vgPHyspsLe0aVbdvvxYHZomH1ZIfnAfX2UihX OsBBspL4oX1Kb/eYNNWjoW8atBqMYzxLZaDiteWq6W6n3iK9AetCYaQxxnoYb3LNw3 YXatsNn5+lzTScVc3mNBEW79Qbk6HLbZHUy0LWYE= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:11:49 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retry MUST NOT -> cannot be treated as an acknowledgement (#3171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba18b5249e1_15993fc7d60cd9643007ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:11:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba18b5249e1_15993fc7d60cd9643007ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. Seems fine. I don't think that this is the reason though. I'd say that this is more because Retry doesn't indicate that the contents of the Initial were successfully processed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3171#pullrequestreview-309574173 ----==_mimepart_5dba18b5249e1_15993fc7d60cd9643007ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Seems fine. I don't think that this is the reason though. I'd say that this is more because Retry doesn't indicate that the contents of the Initial were successfully processed.

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I like that this class of problem is naturally assumed to require some sort of protocol change. As I said on #3159, maybe those implementations can fix their bug.

#3174 is a pragmatic sort of fix that would make this an editorial issue. I'd like that, but it sounds like there is a strong desire to go all nuclear on this. We should discuss that, or its spectre will haunt us.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy
+{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified.  The designated expert(s) verify that
+a specification exists and is readily accessible.  Expert(s) are encouraged to
+be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or
+actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally
+dubious).  The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on
+permanent registrations.
+
+The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where
+registrations are governed by a different registration policy.  For instance,
+the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for
+codepoints in the range from 0 to 63.
+
+Any stricter requirements for permanent registrations do not prevent provisional
+registrations for affected codepoints.  For instance, a provisional registration
+for a frame type {{iana-frames}} of 61 could be requested.

You clipped the key piece of the first quote:

Permanent registrations in this registry are assigned using [...] except for values between 0x00 and 0x3f [...] which are assigned using Standards Action or IESG Approval [...]

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Oh I see what you mean. That's a keen observation. Though, I think that observation also shows the reason some of us thought use of encryption to be beneficial to be pointless. IIUC, https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120#pullrequestreview-304931396 suggested using encryption, because it would prevent implementations from using the token without checking the tag. The assumption behind is that AEAD-decryption is going to be an atomic operation. But as you point out, in this particular case, there is a interesting optimization where endpoints can have a pre-built XOR vector, and just do GCM. Doesn't that reduce the motivation to use encryption, as it is a complexity to apply XOR? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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encrypting using AES-GCM with an all-zero key and all-zero nonce is just a XOR operation between a known string and the cleartext so the performance cost is very low.

Oh I see what you mean. That's a keen observation. Though, I think that observation also shows the reason some of us thought use of encryption to be beneficial to be pointless.

IIUC, #3120 (review) suggested using encryption, because it would prevent implementations from using the token without checking the tag. The assumption behind is that AEAD-decryption is going to be an atomic operation.

But as you point out, in this particular case, there is a interesting optimization where endpoints can have a pre-built XOR vector, and just do GCM.

Doesn't that reduce the motivation to use encryption, as it is a complexity to apply XOR?

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@martinthomson I updated the text to reflect both the lack of processing and packet number.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -328,8 +328,11 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption
-  level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at QUIC layer (type
+  0x1c) MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
+
+- CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling application errors (type 0x1d) MUST only be
+  sent in 1-RTT level.

Thank you for the suggestions. When with the most verbose and easy to understand one.

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One reason to use encryption was some implementations(@larseggert ?) already had an AES-GCM implementation, and didn't want to add another hash or crypto function.

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----==_mimepart_5dba1e4ce6f19_430a3fd9154cd96040554a-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 16:38:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A0812001E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:38:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92O_Ct-zJnjb for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E019120018 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:38:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572478686; bh=EA3Z6SgtuSBVD2+S1+3L70WdxEggRSB4bLkXcwQ17es=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ig+IbDwiLWTueiWyqOtnnM/L7qVjUbmV3YgLGr+F2QSdTELIyCwmXXMcO7QVJNHdg TjZovmBXZ6ztEcZD7VI8lJnqWMP81KyG+f2hFwzgE+qZGI+ekFHX+4MOzJVht4nlZy D2WqpQjfhtjN49EqsvRCurAAbHJAyc37Mt5A0s1c= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba1ede80980_14493fcb3f4cd96c3324c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:38:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba1ede80980_14493fcb3f4cd96c3324c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I understand the latest text correctly, it's saying: - NEW_TOKEN carries a lifetime - if a server wants to use alternative salts, it MUST ensure that it has access to its decryption key for the lifetime of that token, otherwise handshake timeouts could occur I don't think that'll work for our deployment. We're interested in deploying alternative salts, but our mechanism to share keys across our fleet of servers isn't infallible: it's possible that one server gets a new key before another server, and if a client hits these two servers in the wrong order, they could end up in a state where the server cannot decrypt the token. This is fine for the current uses of QUIC NEW_TOKENs and TLS session tickets, because both of those will resolve themselves in-band (via RETRY, or full handshake). Therefore I really think we need a graceful mechanism to handle this, similar to what was added to ESNI. The question then becomes: can we design a fallback mechanism that isn't vulnerable to a simple downgrade attack. Here's a straw-man: - when the server sees an initial token (the one from NEW_TOKEN, not from retry) that it cannot decrypt, it sends a RETRY. - the server takes the non-decryptable token it received from the client, and sends it encrypted inside the retry token in the server's RETRY - the client tries again, but this time with QUICv1 (no obfuscation) and the retry token, but we add a new transport parameter where the client sends the first token it used on this connection This would allow the server to detect when someone messed with the token in flight, and would then close the connection. So it mitigates the downgrade attack I described [earlier](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340366571). This straw-man has many downsides, including: - we're back to needing a checksum on the token - an attacker can still see the SNI, but they can't do so without it being detected. This might be acceptable because the attacker can still force a downgrade to TLS/TCP today Anyway, I'm not sure this straw-man is the way to go, but perhaps the idea of repeating tokens in transport parameters might be worth exploring to help detect this class of attack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#issuecomment-548156716 ----==_mimepart_5dba1ede80980_14493fcb3f4cd96c3324c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If I understand the latest text correctly, it's saying:

  • NEW_TOKEN carries a lifetime
  • if a server wants to use alternative salts, it MUST ensure that it has access to its decryption key for the lifetime of that token, otherwise handshake timeouts could occur

I don't think that'll work for our deployment. We're interested in deploying alternative salts, but our mechanism to share keys across our fleet of servers isn't infallible: it's possible that one server gets a new key before another server, and if a client hits these two servers in the wrong order, they could end up in a state where the server cannot decrypt the token. This is fine for the current uses of QUIC NEW_TOKENs and TLS session tickets, because both of those will resolve themselves in-band (via RETRY, or full handshake).

Therefore I really think we need a graceful mechanism to handle this, similar to what was added to ESNI. The question then becomes: can we design a fallback mechanism that isn't vulnerable to a simple downgrade attack.

Here's a straw-man:

  • when the server sees an initial token (the one from NEW_TOKEN, not from retry) that it cannot decrypt, it sends a RETRY.
  • the server takes the non-decryptable token it received from the client, and sends it encrypted inside the retry token in the server's RETRY
  • the client tries again, but this time with QUICv1 (no obfuscation) and the retry token, but we add a new transport parameter where the client sends the first token it used on this connection

This would allow the server to detect when someone messed with the token in flight, and would then close the connection. So it mitigates the downgrade attack I described earlier.

This straw-man has many downsides, including:

  • we're back to needing a checksum on the token
  • an attacker can still see the SNI, but they can't do so without it being detected. This might be acceptable because the attacker can still force a downgrade to TLS/TCP today

Anyway, I'm not sure this straw-man is the way to go, but perhaps the idea of repeating tokens in transport parameters might be worth exploring to help detect this class of attack.

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----==_mimepart_5dba1ede80980_14493fcb3f4cd96c3324c-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 16:45:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26F21200F3 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vumxpx4kJtq8 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BDB6120018 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:45:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572479128; bh=i5EyPjoxSsrfFm2i66ATSfwUVgLoyIg3BJ/fgMGbMJ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sUmxafKP/FevID8gMdQyKDrViKMzDgTVyXD1mo4q9ee13u4hfWq2a89JfsFfFLpHy gvQH9y7QdlqvIjHwWhKOmP65Iu9eoT6C9rtlGqXIK+9ieaRTvxg8ZCC18nN+79VW+4 kOVsabCuWNiJ5eYoUvmktj0svP39Siyvaaa1czJM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Application close should be disallowed in Initial or Handshake (#3158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba20985e7de_26183fb081ccd960245975"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:45:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba20985e7de_26183fb081ccd960245975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Though, I'd like to point out, there's nothing preventing an implementation from doing it anyways. I agree with that observation. I think the specification does not clarify what should be done when a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is invalid. For example, we do not define how an endpoint should react when it receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with a Reason that goes beyond the end of the packet payload. I think there are two logical ways of handing the situation: * a) An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame acts as if it received a valid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. * b) An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame responds with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame carrying an appropriate error code. We can mandate either a or b, or leave it up to the implementors (saying nothing in the text). Leaving it unspecified is a valid option here because the connection would promptly close regardless. Anyways, I think the problem deserves a separate issue, _if_ some of us are interested in mandating a specific behavior. Personally, I do not care. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158#issuecomment-548158430 ----==_mimepart_5dba20985e7de_26183fb081ccd960245975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Though, I'd like to point out, there's nothing preventing an implementation from doing it anyways.

I agree with that observation.

I think the specification does not clarify what should be done when a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is invalid. For example, we do not define how an endpoint should react when it receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with a Reason that goes beyond the end of the packet payload.

I think there are two logical ways of handing the situation:

  • a) An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame acts as if it received a valid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.
  • b) An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame responds with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame carrying an appropriate error code.

We can mandate either a or b, or leave it up to the implementors (saying nothing in the text). Leaving it unspecified is a valid option here because the connection would promptly close regardless.

Anyways, I think the problem deserves a separate issue, if some of us are interested in mandating a specific behavior. Personally, I do not care.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy
+{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified.  The designated expert(s) verify that
+a specification exists and is readily accessible.  Expert(s) are encouraged to
+be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or
+actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally
+dubious).  The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on
+permanent registrations.
+
+The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where
+registrations are governed by a different registration policy.  For instance,
+the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for
+codepoints in the range from 0 to 63.
+
+Any stricter requirements for permanent registrations do not prevent provisional
+registrations for affected codepoints.  For instance, a provisional registration
+for a frame type {{iana-frames}} of 61 could be requested.

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

If we decide to allow provisional in [0, 63], then we should add text explaining how the Expert Reviewer should handle those requests, because (unless I missed another sentence) it sounds like they're currently instructed to grant all values except for the first unassigned value. I worry that [0, 63] will fill up pretty quickly if we allow provisional use.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi Re downgrade prevention, I think we are converging on the same design (my design being the one that I had on this PR before dropping the downgrade). Regarding the attack, I do not think we need to require the original token to be sent in a TP. Let me explain why: * This PR requires the server that sends a Retry token to embed the the alternative sets of a NEW_TOKEN token in the Retry token (i.e. typically, NEW_TOKEN token found in an Initial packet that triggered the Retry would be embedded as-is in the Retry token). * This PR used to require the client to continue sending the NEW_TOKEN token when downgrade happens. We can resurrect that requirement. If we combine these two requirements, it would be possible for the server to detect a downgrade even if Retry was sent after downgrade, as the Retry token would convey the NEW_TOKEN token that the client originally submitted. Re checksum, one way to solve this is to suggest servers advertising alternatives sets to embed a checksum to the tokens, using an key-less algorithm. For example, a server can build a NEW_TOKEN token as a combination of AES-CBC (encryption) and SHA256 (checksum). Anyways, I think I might open a separate PR that describes the design with downgrade prevention, as having a PR would help us discuss the issues. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#issuecomment-548161732 ----==_mimepart_5dba246097bf7_6d983ff7558cd96c2545fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@DavidSchinazi Re downgrade prevention, I think we are converging on the same design (my design being the one that I had on this PR before dropping the downgrade).

Regarding the attack, I do not think we need to require the original token to be sent in a TP. Let me explain why:

  • This PR requires the server that sends a Retry token to embed the the alternative sets of a NEW_TOKEN token in the Retry token (i.e. typically, NEW_TOKEN token found in an Initial packet that triggered the Retry would be embedded as-is in the Retry token).
  • This PR used to require the client to continue sending the NEW_TOKEN token when downgrade happens. We can resurrect that requirement.

If we combine these two requirements, it would be possible for the server to detect a downgrade even if Retry was sent after downgrade, as the Retry token would convey the NEW_TOKEN token that the client originally submitted.

Re checksum, one way to solve this is to suggest servers advertising alternatives sets to embed a checksum to the tokens, using an key-less algorithm. For example, a server can build a NEW_TOKEN token as a combination of AES-CBC (encryption) and SHA256 (checksum).

Anyways, I think I might open a separate PR that describes the design with downgrade prevention, as having a PR would help us discuss the issues.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Permanent registrations in QUIC registries require Specification Required policy
+{{!RFC8126}}, unless otherwise specified.  The designated expert(s) verify that
+a specification exists and is readily accessible.  Expert(s) are encouraged to
+be biased towards approving registrations unless they are abusive, frivolous, or
+actively harmful (not merely aesthetically displeasing, or architecturally
+dubious).  The creation of a registry MAY specify additional constraints on
+permanent registrations.
+
+The creation of a registries MAY identify a range of codepoints where
+registrations are governed by a different registration policy.  For instance,
+the registries for 62-bit codepoints in this document have stricted policies for
+codepoints in the range from 0 to 63.
+
+Any stricter requirements for permanent registrations do not prevent provisional
+registrations for affected codepoints.  For instance, a provisional registration
+for a frame type {{iana-frames}} of 61 could be requested.

I share that worry, but I'm trying to let those go. The main pressure here is that if things start filling up, then we start ejecting registrations sooner.

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----==_mimepart_5dba296d8f03e_7e163f90aa2cd95c5064a9-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 17:24:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30BA12022C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:24:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Na7T9PNfYlC for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89160120018 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:23:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572481439; bh=PBcEj02ESNSktQ1vcTtR4TzlqAiMtTei/HOeWKkUVSY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nU513anLW0vgK0miPEYA59If3Rf9FUJA9Zu7rGkND4PX6kFo4l/Qyv09Exrz/ZxFx E+KaH+JN1exHKUzss5BNyNjIGqq3Ggc2yL5qlloy4wA0crJLQawJaYcHC2I+ja6Kmb IQQS97tM3Gh9E4u4E9CcL6IgYq5fbLDQO/53YvmI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Further specify frame Length field (#3177) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba299f592a2_24fe3f9ae04cd960304750"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:24:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba299f592a2_24fe3f9ae04cd960304750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3177#pullrequestreview-309593894 ----==_mimepart_5dba299f592a2_24fe3f9ae04cd960304750 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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So though there is a simple and easy optimization, many implementations will have AES-GCM available, but won't have an independent GHASH on tap. And getting the mask requires effort. And client's can't predict how many bytes of mask they need, so they would have to get quite a few. I'm speculating here, but I tend to think that this puts a thumb on the scale in the right way.

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I added a bit more detail about why it cannot be treated as an acknowledgement. * Martin's reason * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson From nobody Wed Oct 30 18:04:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5670012006D for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 18:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HztgYB2pXC57 for ; 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This seems fine, though I was a little concerned about levying requirements on TLS stacks in this way, it seems like a reasonable thing to recommend. > @@ -504,6 +504,9 @@ client could interleave ACK frames that are protected with Handshake keys with 0-RTT data and the server needs to process those acknowledgments in order to detect lost Handshake packets. +A TLS implementation MUST NOT provide a 1-RTT decrypt secret to QUIC until it +has received a Finished message from the peer. ```suggestion the TLS handshake is complete. ``` Receiving a Finished message is not sufficient, as you have to verify it. Also, at least in our stack, verifying the Finished is not the only condition we hold handshake completion on. We also wait until the certificate is marked as "OK", which is an asynchronous process and so might happen after validating the Finished. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson Yeah, my train of thought as a server stack developer that happens to also work as a client was that I might be interested in having a pre-built XOR mask on the server-side. Then, I might expand that constant vector to the 1,200 bytes, and use it for decoding the Retry packets too.

That said, I do agree that not all stack developers would (think and) actually implement that way. So I agree that there's some value in encrypting the token rather than just applying GMAC, at the cost of as small as requiring XOR on the server-side.

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Commit: 2b4ef854d52baa13c35346b87496804b448837da https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/2b4ef854d52baa13c35346b87496804b448837da Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2019-10-31 (Thu, 31 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M interim-20-02/arrangements.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' of github.com:quicwg/wg-materials Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/compare/24b7f35f668b...2b4ef854d52b From nobody Wed Oct 30 19:35:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3221200FE for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWyLV_lGWTqZ for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B48C1200F3 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:35:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572489311; bh=4OdEy5OFc7ZqNRWQJOyxM96vBP5YVZUv7u6CnwEl4XQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HyIStuMhIRakD8GBRoE9jXYBvkW78zONlSHUs3R9DTZG+Ctwws9G3v9HFrf3p9kcu 8C6gpnMHX7tvrbF2HOGVcl1ne6pEFGEoGXYatEHNODZOVyYXQMfyOI+IcnyQZJ31lr HJwTYRzNDWIWfgVTRXZfMMLgyTpQobjUsSIj5LV0= From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Layout of PreferredAddress (#2944) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba485f32924_68843feb9b6cd95c282077"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 02:35:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba485f32924_68843feb9b6cd95c282077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2944. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:29:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572499748; bh=/C/ZIYRjSJnGFUc5PnxOILzjTKdXUWoRAIroJT5G+Lk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=FS6RZjp8GAaHm6lRPazJzaATFk4sC8IHmGJVNqpI7DHFWQLWlMKwmfjvQOn3zgvyM NOAx5ES4ZQR2D0amVwGrJBrDcomouXECc9EpiY0kKZhbH3HEyebvWCYV/dnPhSnX/1 DbxLU+Wffq77Cs3svnoqhbrgzYg6X+za9m+M53yA= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] e9f4ad: CONNECTION_CLOSE is non-ack-eliciting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:29:10 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: e9f4ada542c1bc1ab77cf2bd2009b50f94a379d5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e9f4ada542c1bc1ab77cf2bd2009b50f94a379d5 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-16 (Wed, 16 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- CONNECTION_CLOSE is non-ack-eliciting Commit: f7eed75fae81d12988dc0a121db1245307f8e53d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f7eed75fae81d12988dc0a121db1245307f8e53d Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-16 (Wed, 16 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- @ianswett's suggestions Commit: ca86dd1a53df738dce6100c44adeb31c8f3c5a46 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca86dd1a53df738dce6100c44adeb31c8f3c5a46 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-22 (Tue, 22 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: c1be5113976a998ad86795b54808587159591fbb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1be5113976a998ad86795b54808587159591fbb Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-22 (Tue, 22 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: af7a8767450f28452a8f0cfc274950e30d801cce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/af7a8767450f28452a8f0cfc274950e30d801cce Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-22 (Tue, 22 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- wordwrap Commit: fc3a844fbcb5c19cc48c76cd39e7f78e3e2a25f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc3a844fbcb5c19cc48c76cd39e7f78e3e2a25f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-30 (Wed, 30 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3098 from kazuho/kazuho/connection-close-not-ack-eliciting CONNECTION_CLOSE is non-ack-eliciting Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/6c72970d780f...fc3a844fbcb5 From nobody Wed Oct 30 22:29:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F15B120119 for ; 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:29:28 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 39c57edf6215964673155837dcf97880cac2fb63 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/39c57edf6215964673155837dcf97880cac2fb63 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Perform stateless reset token comparisons in constant time Otherwise information about the token might leak. As @mikkelfj says, there is no strict need to compare across the entire set of values. That could leaks two things: that the inbound packet was dropped and the total number of stateless reset tokens. Both are things that we might care about, but will probably find prohibitive to protect. Closes #2152. Commit: c42516d7681ebbd61839bf83910dd37fc05465b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c42516d7681ebbd61839bf83910dd37fc05465b1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be a little clearer about what is being protected Commit: 3bd85b455bad9d6e6196f6f04454701661d077f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3bd85b455bad9d6e6196f6f04454701661d077f8 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- add example that uses PRF Commit: 03979a0235d6fd3ff79555911c79bc5c10e2b61a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03979a0235d6fd3ff79555911c79bc5c10e2b61a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix stateless reset ordering; use datagrams This removes the strict requirement on processing order for stateless reset. This allows endpoints to decide whether to process every packet this way or to just treat those that fail to be processed for other reasons. This also switches to detection on a *datagram* basis. Closes #3085. Commit: 354183119367ddc2f08ae4604c1323600d5bfe4c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/354183119367ddc2f08ae4604c1323600d5bfe4c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword again Commit: 562ac4e7deaf80d50082f89507e72d9b5b71ecc6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/562ac4e7deaf80d50082f89507e72d9b5b71ecc6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- duplicates are just duplicate packet numbers Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: a5ecd238daf0f59a35460085c8b05a2c6011243a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5ecd238daf0f59a35460085c8b05a2c6011243a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- compares Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: 0b654d69abd679010d3640b7a63d8488bc81f0ff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0b654d69abd679010d3640b7a63d8488bc81f0ff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- any packet Commit: 59a8238dd289a5c7e54a40ca9a791227ae69284d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/59a8238dd289a5c7e54a40ca9a791227ae69284d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-15 (Tue, 15 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Apply Jana's suggestion Commit: 963d9161da75d43f9500818c8f012a84100d38ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/963d9161da75d43f9500818c8f012a84100d38ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-16 (Wed, 16 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplicate requirement as being bad/nonsensical Commit: 8c571ff653275f2319e181dd11ce49a4f678060e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c571ff653275f2319e181dd11ce49a4f678060e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-30 (Wed, 30 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2993 from quicwg/ct-sr Stateless reset comparisons (constant time/any order/datagram) Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fc3a844fbcb5...8c571ff65327 From nobody Wed Oct 30 22:29:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFB1120128 for ; 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@marten-seemann, did you want to fix the examples listed in #3042 (comment) or shall I?

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I think it's worth noting this, though I tend to agree with @martinthomson that we cannot write this down using an normative language because that is a requirement of TLS.

That said, I actually wonder if we can have a section discussing Implementation Pitfalls. TLS 1.3 has an appendix dedicated to that (see RFC 8446, Appendix C), and it has been extremely helpful to me. I think it would be nice to have something like that in the QUIC drafts.

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Though consensus has been declared, I talked to @ekr about reviewing this and I will wait for that review before merging.

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----==_mimepart_5dba7214815fd_6c4f3f9330ccd960476049-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 22:44:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C34A1200C4 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QQs-5ZgvfF_G for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC00120047 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B687B6E12A4 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:44:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572500648; bh=DyJtWJIDkYf37/vS7sUSiq39Txc3W+qgQm+sgJoVGqk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IlI1ZQ8KeUg8hoPlvAGvSwKx/jpz3A+BRwG23Qsy6yKXR7KcrMV8B4IkSyx6oeGiH MDXhVwp31sU9nItlVlpw/SsS3M4RsbFTZj/BYdOSh0p/FssdfnX50zUcGAI6snCLjr 0Iax4wNcaPtAoYp/sLp5wqjxvUheSbgL+XQiRMwI= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 22:44:08 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS MUST NOT deliver server 1RTT Rx keys until getting Finished (#3173) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba74a8a7be9_472e3f95398cd96844321c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:44:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba74a8a7be9_472e3f95398cd96844321c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure of the rules here, but this requirement is on the=0D QUIC-specific interfaces. People already have to modify TLS to comply wit= h=0D quic-tls.=0D =0D On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 10:32 PM Kazuho Oku wrot= e:=0D =0D > I think it's worth noting this, though I tend to agree with @martinthom= son=0D > that we cannot write this down using= =0D > an normative language because that is a requirement of TLS.=0D >=0D > That said, I actually wonder if we can have a section discussing=0D > Implementation Pitfalls. TLS 1.3 has an appendix dedicated to that (see= RFC=0D > 8446, Appendix C ),=0D= > and it has been extremely helpful to me. I think it would be nice to ha= ve=0D > something like that in the QUIC drafts.=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or unsubscribe=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3173#issuecomment-548225144= ----==_mimepart_5dba74a8a7be9_472e3f95398cd96844321c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure of the rules here, but this requirement is on the
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  • 75735e0 @MikeBishop's suggestions; https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340822271

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,8 +2740,10 @@ which is comprised of:
   the initial salt defined in section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
 
 A server advertises these values using a NEW_TOKEN frame {{frame-new-token}}.
-The token MUST include or associated with the alternative version number with
-which it can be used.
+The token MUST permit the server to recover at least the alternative version
+number being associated to the token.  This property can be achieved for example

Good point! Fixed in 757e5e0.

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Yes, the entire list if about one possible design, and it is been clarified as such in the sentence that precedes the list.

I have moved "typically" to the beginning of the sentence that it would be more prominent (had a typo too).

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----==_mimepart_5dba7c4861f26_14873feb812cd95c616495-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 23:52:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98C512006B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:52:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oYUsRRw14YIT for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86F3712013C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6A9520C4F for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:52:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572504726; bh=5Tv+ARxyzyTwmltmnVqbJjdiw9iRUo0exCGYSPNtgis=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C8NqB9BFddFYOXmXhJBlHTpnRsHJZFRlTWuxE6JCPxfm1iNAFL1v9FVTV/Ipvu+1e rAhSzC50EooBeekoOSehcHsqYgQzkl2mnW6NUlmvEP2vrABh2b06kbBgmzYtNSMgOW b73XaWkaDl6e4ECjmDgsl992+yGw9fURBFGLHNkg= Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:52:06 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS MUST NOT deliver server 1RTT Rx keys until getting Finished (#3173) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba8496be42e_46293fe8cdecd95c53457b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:52:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba8496be42e_46293fe8cdecd95c53457b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm not sure of the rules here, but this requirement is on the QUIC-specific interfaces. IIUC, This requirement comes from the TLS handshake protocol defined in section 4 of RFC 8446 (specifically, [section 4.4.4](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-4.4.4)). TLS 1.3, DTLS 1.3, and QUIC all share the same handshake protocol. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3173#issuecomment-548238886 ----==_mimepart_5dba8496be42e_46293fe8cdecd95c53457b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not sure of the rules here, but this requirement is on the QUIC-specific interfaces.

IIUC, This requirement comes from the TLS handshake protocol defined in section 4 of RFC 8446 (specifically, section 4.4.4). TLS 1.3, DTLS 1.3, and QUIC all share the same handshake protocol.

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----==_mimepart_5dba8496be42e_46293fe8cdecd95c53457b-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 00:09:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960AC1200A1 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:09:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TTkBrirVU25w for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7B5112008D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD60A044C for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:09:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572505741; bh=eQ5NkIZBiUWx4Q9GH4UPIvzQi2T9POtklon2svgimUw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f2dtgIC/pEHf0E+qvBSidSW4zoVny/ewtTgVqBEcTize5m7YumQJ2iIy5aOMKGJgN aBGH79af+mjuWP6nOO8U8+ouIbP65bdZWhJkIy6A3G1afD6q0WZb4FNofgecyVU62V /T400oiynEXRlUmoG/IKSd9F508MdgQn2IJkWMTI= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:09:01 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (downgradable variant) (#3178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba888ddf2fa_2b293fbbbe4cd95c99352d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:09:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba888ddf2fa_2b293fbbbe4cd95c99352d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There seem to be split views on if the greasing should be downgradable. This PR is a variant of #3166 that allows downgrade. The design rationale is that a downgrade attack by a middlebox should be detectable, though it reveals the payload of the Initial packet. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3178 -- Commit Summary -- * first cut * editorial * define downgrade prevention * clarify the requirement when building a token * editorial * protect token using checksum (reusing text from #3120 by @DavidSchinazi) * use list for implementation guidance, applying @DavidSchnazi's suggestions * clarify what can be associated with the token, adopting @MikeBishop's suggestion * s/comprises of/contains/ (@MikeBishop) * use "Long Packet Type" (@DavidSchinazi) * swap reserved bits and packet type modifier (suggested by @martinthomson) * long packet types when encoded in a long header packet is an XOR (@martinthomson) * clarify how a server can opt-out * Revert "protect token using checksum (reusing text from #3120 by @DavidSchinazi)" * no more downgrade * server always announce (though it can effectively opt-out) * delete VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR (once again) * clarify how to handle Retry, as well as stating that a fixed mapping bet. versions and salts is better than nothing * add Lifetime field * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md * @MikeBishop's suggestions; https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340822271 * oops, amend the previous commit * fix typo, emphasize that this is just an example * Rephrase as "seeding"; The default of "alternative" being the standard values has been confusing * define the downgrade process; that lets the server detect downgrade attack -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (162) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3178.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3178.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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There seem to be split views on if the greasing should be downgradable.

This PR is a variant of #3166 that allows downgrade.

The design rationale is that a downgrade attack by a middlebox should be detectable, though it reveals the payload of the Initial packet.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3178

Commit Summary

  • first cut
  • editorial
  • define downgrade prevention
  • clarify the requirement when building a token
  • editorial
  • protect token using checksum (reusing text from #3120 by @DavidSchinazi)
  • use list for implementation guidance, applying @DavidSchnazi's suggestions
  • clarify what can be associated with the token, adopting @MikeBishop's suggestion
  • s/comprises of/contains/ (@MikeBishop)
  • use "Long Packet Type" (@DavidSchinazi)
  • swap reserved bits and packet type modifier (suggested by @martinthomson)
  • long packet types when encoded in a long header packet is an XOR (@martinthomson)
  • clarify how a server can opt-out
  • Revert "protect token using checksum (reusing text from #3120 by @DavidSchinazi)"
  • no more downgrade
  • server always announce (though it can effectively opt-out)
  • delete VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR (once again)
  • clarify how to handle Retry, as well as stating that a fixed mapping bet. versions and salts is better than nothing
  • add Lifetime field
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
  • @MikeBishop's suggestions; https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340822271
  • oops, amend the previous commit
  • fix typo, emphasize that this is just an example
  • Rephrase as "seeding"; The default of "alternative" being the standard values has been confusing
  • define the downgrade process; that lets the server detect downgrade attack

File Changes

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So I've created #3178 that adds downgradability on top of this PR, hoping that we can figure out a downgradable design that works and consider the costs.

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----==_mimepart_5dba8a2934fb2_65453fd3278cd964613460-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 00:53:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E751201EA for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:53:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MbieFaxjty0L for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33C771200E3 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:52:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572508379; bh=rzFAWtmEPHpK4LbFSDiJ2GRql0O3QJaA+NrR51LN6qc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=evg2XTyXmh9DkIwjzxD9orImQXZSCw6/8Hv5AzoOyjsJybPUL+iAwPwmI2Z4jnZqX ZJBiUn46wRCdizAF9tSXFhmhHEkDHcmD38JI90YSVAmP/DEyoDFUntBfMPnxDNP0Q/ V4Bt0auZMYKeYiid9ZLWiZbrubtfrC7TenjMhRIs= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Duplicate NEW_TOKEN should only be on same connection (#3179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba92db4e4cf_68e3ffcfc8cd96070952b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:53:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba92db4e4cf_68e3ffcfc8cd96070952b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > An endpoint might receive multiple NEW_TOKEN frames that contain the same token value. Endpoints are responsible for discarding duplicate values, which might be used to link connection attempts; see Section 8.1.2. This text does not forbid the server from sending the same token on multiple connections. Consequently the client has a hard, or impossible, task of excluding duplicates. At least if you only read that section. Later the text says: >The token MUST NOT include information that would allow it to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was issued. This suggests that the token MUST indeed be unique, but in a roundabout manner. It would be helpful to make the initial paragraph clearer by stating the that the duplicate token can only happen on the same connection and that the server MUST ensure different connections use different tokens. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3179 ----==_mimepart_5dba92db4e4cf_68e3ffcfc8cd96070952b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

An endpoint might receive multiple NEW_TOKEN frames that contain the same token value. Endpoints are responsible for discarding duplicate values, which might be used to link connection attempts; see Section 8.1.2.

This text does not forbid the server from sending the same token on multiple connections. Consequently the client has a hard, or impossible, task of excluding duplicates. At least if you only read that section.

Later the text says:

The token MUST NOT include information that would allow it to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was issued.

This suggests that the token MUST indeed be unique, but in a roundabout manner.

It would be helpful to make the initial paragraph clearer by stating the that the duplicate token can only happen on the same connection and that the server MUST ensure different connections use different tokens.

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----==_mimepart_5dba92db4e4cf_68e3ffcfc8cd96070952b-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 01:25:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B9512084F for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AsigiKoiTNPP for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FBCF12084A for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:25:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572510303; bh=XSVRTPE/+xq1pL8HxDphtEsaTkvCpEeF+jlLiHW97Ts=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I+kwqZQNDlE+XrLkXzvTHXMUa6cXiB9rc0/OOqazFOH5Wls2cDm3oqHOlAU4Hn5Jq n/kTrV0mCj1Fqgxb+wR6eLV5hjTZJmMX5t5/YjQ0LkYcy4K9J4zRGzi46sunrbopAN JH/ZzbMquzkvZSslXtov/TFKKXmy6QgjfOZFr74A= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba9a5f4efb7_d7c3feb096cd96c7579e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:25:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba9a5f4efb7_d7c3feb096cd96c7579e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > @@ -2721,6 +2724,96 @@ between endpoints. Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint. +# Seeding {#seeding} + +In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC +packets, a server can announce a set of alternative initial values to be used, +which is comprised of: + +* Version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented on wire in + place of the version number specified in this document. This value MUST NOT + be a reserved version ({{versions}}). + +* Packet type modifier; a two-bit value that obfuscates the Long Packet Type of + a long header packet ({{long-header}}). The long packet type bits of a long + header packet is encoded as an bti-wise exclusive or (XOR) of the packet type ```suggestion header packet is encoded as an bit-wise exclusive or (XOR) of the packet type ``` > + +The rest of this section applies to the servers that advertise non-default +values as their seeds. + + +## Server Behavior + +Typically, a server that advertises the alternative seeds would act in the +following steps: + +* The server pre-allocates a set of unused version numbers as the alternative + version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a packet type + modifier chosen at random. + +* When issuing a NEW_TOKEN token, the server generates the alternative initial + salt by calling a pseudo-random function. Then it builds a token that There is no need to use a pseudo-random function if the server has access to better randomness (but to be fair this is for a typical implementation). I would just say it generates a cryptographically secure random number. > +values as their seeds. + + +## Server Behavior + +Typically, a server that advertises the alternative seeds would act in the +following steps: + +* The server pre-allocates a set of unused version numbers as the alternative + version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a packet type + modifier chosen at random. + +* When issuing a NEW_TOKEN token, the server generates the alternative initial + salt by calling a pseudo-random function. Then it builds a token that + embeds the alternative seeds including the initial salt being generated. The + token will be encrypted using a key known only to the server, thereby ```suggestion token will be encrypted using a key known only to the server, or server cluster, thereby ``` > +## Server Behavior + +Typically, a server that advertises the alternative seeds would act in the +following steps: + +* The server pre-allocates a set of unused version numbers as the alternative + version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a packet type + modifier chosen at random. + +* When issuing a NEW_TOKEN token, the server generates the alternative initial + salt by calling a pseudo-random function. Then it builds a token that + embeds the alternative seeds including the initial salt being generated. The + token will be encrypted using a key known only to the server, thereby + conforming to the requirements in {{validate-future}}. After that, the server + sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that contains the generated token and the seeds that + have been embedded to that token. ```suggestion have been embedded into that token. ``` > + have been embedded to that token. + +* When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the + seeds, the server first checks if the version number field of the incoming + packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it advertises, then if + that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type modifier to recover + the correct packet type. If the recovered packet type is an Initial packet + and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts the embedded + token and recovers the initial salt, uses that to decrypt the payload of the + Initial packet. + +* When sending a Retry in response to an Initial packet carrying an alternative + version number, the server embeds the NEW_TOKEN token found in the Initial + packet within the retry token it issues. Once the server receives a response + from the client carrying that retry token and the path is validated, it + decrypts the NEW_TOKEN token embedded in the retry token to recover the ```suggestion decrypts the NEW_TOKEN token embedded within the retry token to recover the ``` > + packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it advertises, then if + that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type modifier to recover + the correct packet type. If the recovered packet type is an Initial packet + and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts the embedded + token and recovers the initial salt, uses that to decrypt the payload of the + Initial packet. + +* When sending a Retry in response to an Initial packet carrying an alternative + version number, the server embeds the NEW_TOKEN token found in the Initial + packet within the retry token it issues. Once the server receives a response + from the client carrying that retry token and the path is validated, it + decrypts the NEW_TOKEN token embedded in the retry token to recover the + alternative initial salt that is to be used for unprotecting the packet + payload. + +Instead of associating a new alternative initial salt to every NEW_TOKEN token, ```suggestion Instead of associating a new alternative initial salt with every NEW_TOKEN token, ``` > +* When sending a Retry in response to an Initial packet carrying an alternative + version number, the server embeds the NEW_TOKEN token found in the Initial + packet within the retry token it issues. Once the server receives a response + from the client carrying that retry token and the path is validated, it + decrypts the NEW_TOKEN token embedded in the retry token to recover the + alternative initial salt that is to be used for unprotecting the packet + payload. + +Instead of associating a new alternative initial salt to every NEW_TOKEN token, +a server might map a fixed salt to each of the alternative version numbers it +issues. Such design is not recommended, as an active attacker might build a +list of known alternative version numbers and their initial salts and use that +list to decrypt the payload of Initial packets using those alternative version +numbers. But still, having a set of version numbers and initial salts used +concurrently is considered better than just using the default values of QUIC in +terms of preventing ossification. I am not comfortable with the slack given here. While it does improve things when salt is reused, it also gives the client a false sense of security. It would be better if the client could be certain that it does indeed sent private information on the wire. For example it might create an initial connection to bootstrap safety, similar to if it connected to a secure DNS with crypto keys (TBD), and then reconnects to send confidential informational information. Taking this one further, it would be advantageous if a token could be used across different server certificates so the initial certificate could be "harmless" in order to enhance privacy. > +issues. Such design is not recommended, as an active attacker might build a +list of known alternative version numbers and their initial salts and use that +list to decrypt the payload of Initial packets using those alternative version +numbers. But still, having a set of version numbers and initial salts used +concurrently is considered better than just using the default values of QUIC in +terms of preventing ossification. + +A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotitation packet in response to a long +header packet with an alternative version number it has advertised. + + +## Distributing the Seeds + +This specification defines how the seeds are used as well as how they are +advertised using a NEW_TOKEN frame. Other specifications MAY define other +methods for distributing or deducing these seeds. What are "other specifications"? Another QUIC version? > @@ -2721,6 +2724,96 @@ between endpoints. Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint. +# Seeding {#seeding} + +In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of QUIC +packets, a server can announce a set of alternative initial values to be used, +which is comprised of: + +* Version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented on wire in + place of the version number specified in this document. This value MUST NOT + be a reserved version ({{versions}}). It is not very clear from this text if the intention is to generate a new representation of the same version in which the token was generated, or there is indeed a new version. Since this does not cover version negotiation, it presumably refers to the same version. But that could change as versions get added and perhaps V1 should be prepared for that (I'm not sure I am getting this right). @MikeBishop alluded to something similar in an earlier comment AFAIR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#pullrequestreview-309698002 ----==_mimepart_5dba9a5f4efb7_d7c3feb096cd96c7579e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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+## Distributing the Seeds=0D
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+This specification defines how the seeds are used as well as how they ar=
e=0D
+advertised using a NEW_TOKEN frame.  Other specifications MAY define oth=
er=0D
+methods for distributing or deducing these seeds.=0D
=0D

What are "other specifications"? Another QUIC version?

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2721,6 +2724,96 @@ between endpoints. =
 Application protocols SHOULD define rules for handling=0D
 streams that are prematurely cancelled by either endpoint.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
+# Seeding {#seeding}=0D
+=0D
+In order to avoid ossification of the cleartext and obfuscated fields of=
 QUIC=0D
+packets, a server can announce a set of alternative initial values to be=
 used,=0D
+which is comprised of:=0D
+=0D
+* Version number; a 32-bit unsigned number that is to be presented on wi=
re in=0D
+  place of the version number specified in this document.  This value MU=
ST NOT=0D
+  be a reserved version ({{versions}}).=0D
=0D

It is not very clear from this text if the intention is to generate a = new representation of the same version in which the token was generated, = or there is indeed a new version. Since this does not cover version negot= iation, it presumably refers to the same version. But that could change a= s versions get added and perhaps V1 should be prepared for that (I'm not = sure I am getting this right). @MikeBishop alluded to someth= ing similar in an earlier comment AFAIR.

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----==_mimepart_5dba9b8213dc1_445e3f9e342cd960102596a-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 01:31:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB273120876 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZUcgUu-eW8I for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42E58120048 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13CCA0C4E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:31:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572510684; bh=yPqljnwc/UhOMuSNsmCIZZa9SZ3fAOMJATfUAcD3v9g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LYBZKqPPkoz/bA4gFWlNP+85FTIOiHgs3JAispBymJE+9q5IV4yaDm4gKZbbFI3cp q9a84MUghX3pRCSNgda+0eE4iv7MnmeRYxFzBAw3+9Jw2miSUvYzUFE+l8pIpG1n+Q ljjwHbXW9rT2A4Pb61nWx+Sm4TrJWiqKZg61pP+o= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 01:31:24 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The method of identifying "the same server" (#3155) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dba9bdcc35b2_65263fd3278cd96413644a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:31:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dba9bdcc35b2_65263fd3278cd96413644a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I wrote in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166/files#r341003819 I think there is an aspect of certificate privacy where you can reconnect with a different server certificate after you obtain a secret salt. Making "same server" too narrow would prevent the privacy benefits of such an approach.` Publishing a link between such certificates would kind of defeat the point, so there is a chicken/egg problem here. However, if the client has out of band knowledge of another domain that works, it should be allowed to use it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3155#issuecomment-548264247 ----==_mimepart_5dba9bdcc35b2_65263fd3278cd96413644a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As I wrote in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166/files#r341003819
I think there is an aspect of certificate privacy where you can reconnect with a different server certificate after you obtain a secret salt. Making "same server" too narrow would prevent the privacy benefits of such an approach.`

Publishing a link between such certificates would kind of defeat the point, so there is a chicken/egg problem here. However, if the client has out of band knowledge of another domain that works, it should be allowed to use it.

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XOR'ing with zero keys provides no confidentiality and just adds overhead. It is fine to use AES-GCM to tap into the GHASH logic by adding only authenticated additional data. But requiring a large static buffer of zero encrypted data is just overhead. For servers it harms expensive L1 cache and for embedded devices it would require encryption as usual.

As I said before GHASH is not the ideal hash for broader use, but given what we have it makes sense for authenticated additional data.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +values as their seeds.
+
+
+## Server Behavior
+
+Typically, a server that advertises the alternative seeds would act in the
+following steps:
+
+* The server pre-allocates a set of unused version numbers as the alternative
+  version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a packet type
+  modifier chosen at random.
+
+* When issuing a NEW_TOKEN token, the server generates the alternative initial
+  salt by calling a pseudo-random function.  Then it builds a token that
+  embeds the alternative seeds including the initial salt being generated.  The
+  token will be encrypted using a key known only to the server, thereby

Thank you for the suggestions. All the proposed editorial changes made sense except this one, I've applied them.

Regarding this suggestion, I think we do not need to be general here, as this is about how a "typical server" would behave.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* When sending a Retry in response to an Initial packet carrying an alternative
+  version number, the server embeds the NEW_TOKEN token found in the Initial
+  packet within the retry token it issues.  Once the server receives a response
+  from the client carrying that retry token and the path is validated, it
+  decrypts the NEW_TOKEN token embedded in the retry token to recover the
+  alternative initial salt that is to be used for unprotecting the packet
+  payload.
+
+Instead of associating a new alternative initial salt to every NEW_TOKEN token,
+a server might map a fixed salt to each of the alternative version numbers it
+issues.  Such design is not recommended, as an active attacker might build a
+list of known alternative version numbers and their initial salts and use that
+list to decrypt the payload of Initial packets using those alternative version
+numbers.  But still, having a set of version numbers and initial salts used
+concurrently is considered better than just using the default values of QUIC in
+terms of preventing ossification.

It would be better if the client could be certain that it does indeed sent private information on the wire.

At the moment, we never provide that certainty. The only way to provide that is to send a public key in the NEW_TOKEN frame and do a DH to determine the initial salt.

We can do that, but that's essentially about porting ESNI to QUIC. My assumption has so far been that such an effort would require time, and it would be better to do that as a separet draft (e.g., https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kazuho-quic-authenticated-handshake/).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +issues.  Such design is not recommended, as an active attacker might build a
+list of known alternative version numbers and their initial salts and use that
+list to decrypt the payload of Initial packets using those alternative version
+numbers.  But still, having a set of version numbers and initial salts used
+concurrently is considered better than just using the default values of QUIC in
+terms of preventing ossification.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a Version Negotitation packet in response to a long
+header packet with an alternative version number it has advertised.
+
+
+## Distributing the Seeds
+
+This specification defines how the seeds are used as well as how they are
+advertised using a NEW_TOKEN frame.  Other specifications MAY define other
+methods for distributing or deducing these seeds.

HTTP/3 defining Alt-Svc, SVCB / HTTPSSVC DNS records, ESNI, to name a few.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The rest of this section applies to the servers that advertise non-default
+values as their seeds.
+
+
+## Server Behavior
+
+Typically, a server that advertises the alternative seeds would act in the
+following steps:
+
+* The server pre-allocates a set of unused version numbers as the alternative
+  version numbers, associating each of those version numbers with a packet type
+  modifier chosen at random.
+
+* When issuing a NEW_TOKEN token, the server generates the alternative initial
+  salt by calling a pseudo-random function.  Then it builds a token that

Yes, the intent here is to recommend CSPRNG. Applied in febd899.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1698,10 +1698,13 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 It is unlikely that the client port number is the same on two different
 connections; validating the port is therefore unlikely to be successful.
 
-If the client has a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame on a previous connection
-to what it believes to be the same server, it SHOULD include that value in the
-Token field of its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to
-validate the client address without an additional round trip.
+A token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame is applicable to any server that the
+connection is considered authoritative for (e.g., server names included in the
+certificate).  When connecting to a server for which the client retains an
+applicable and unused token, it SHOULD include that token in the Token field of
+its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to validate the
+client address without an additional round trip.  A client MUST NOT include a
+token that is not applicable to the server that it is connecting to.

We have a normative text below, suggesting that says: if the token is invalid then the server SHOULD proceed as if the client did not have a validated address, including potentially sending a Retry.

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However, if the client has out of band knowledge of another domain that works, it should be allowed to use it.

I think I tend to agree with this statement. And aside from the privacy benefits, I'd note that there is a performance benefit that I am interested in (i.e. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kazuho-quic-address-bound-token-00).

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quic.tech:4433 straight up acknowledged the 1-RTT packet in a short packet

This is on purpose btw. We process the 1-RTT packet (as in, we decrypt it), but do not process the frames it contains until the handshake is complete. The reasoning behind this was to avoid having to buffer potentially invalid 1-RTT packets.

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Wouldn't this prevent the server from sending 0.5 RTT responses to 0-RTT?

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Or, well, sending 0.5 RTT at all, not just for 0-RTT.

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This is on purpose btw. We process the 1-RTT packet (as in, we decrypt it), but do not process the frames it contains until the handshake is complete. The reasoning behind this was to avoid having to buffer potentially invalid 1-RTT packets.
If you don't look at the frames but acknowledge the packets when do you stop buffering them? When the server is out of memory?

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There's a limit on the number of packets buffered, something like "initial congestion window"-amount of packets.

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@ghedo the transport spec says you MUST not acknowledge a packet until it's been processed.

Given you're limiting the number of buffered packets, I don't see any obvious gain from trying to decrypt them before buffering them. The buffer will be cleared when the handshake completes no matter what.

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----==_mimepart_5dbae08ec9466_2cef3ff99aacd96420938db-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 06:28:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF371200B7 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q5R7cuH_9RQz for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 912E5120048 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 06:28:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572528508; bh=Q6ZViUeh/vYbhU9M76foYe9Nuad7lEgpkbpaL+UFgq0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J/zcUkEVapeMtlt1YRZfMAIVLelK2jMvQFNzIjah1A1ZT/qJ0GTWE9bF4wuafPYdP HadCPRq2muh8b/u7d2kcJcaGLBxCWRuZHfgVRG65ZQp6EQX8OPz3ADF5Knt/aDzrV3 lTPuuOx6IoCyJ0nBWa0wsQN5CG0uzbhdYG83QpEM= From: Alessandro Ghedini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server should not accept 1-RTT traffic before handshake completion (#3159) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dbae17cd03d4_7fa03ffc824cd95c3592f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ghedo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:28:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dbae17cd03d4_7fa03ffc824cd95c3592f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, but that doesn't mean I should still buffer junk packets if I can avoid it.... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3159#issuecomment-548374531 ----==_mimepart_5dbae17cd03d4_7fa03ffc824cd95c3592f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I should still buffer junk packets if I can avoid it....

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As for the not ackng, sure, but that's a separate problem.

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As for the not ackng, sure, but that's a separate problem.

Agree it's off topic, but it's still very interesting for security research. I would never have expected implementations to do this and the security implications for stream integrity can be very surprising in some scenarios (such as compromised PSK), so thanks for clarifying that.

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@ianswett can you point me where the draft says that? I can't seem to be able to find it in https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.13.2

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It's the first sentence in 13.1:
"A packet MUST NOT be acknowledged until packet protection has been successfully removed and all frames contained in the packet have been processed."

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Sure, you can't ACK or process a packet before the key space is valid, but you can buffer them. There is not point in buffering garbage. Forcing keys to only be available after the key space is confirmed amounts to babysitting and there are plenty other things any endpoint can do wrong. Receiving an early ACK is ofcourse a protocol violation.

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In interesting aside: how do you deal with max ack delay when you buffer packets that cannot be processed yet?

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@ghedo Regardless of if we should use the normative language in QUIC-TLS, I think that RFC 8446, Section 4.4.4 clarifies what the requirements are, i.e.:

  • do not use the 1-RTT keys until the Finished is received
  • with the exception of 0-RTT
  • and also with the exception of 0.5-RTT, while keeping in mind that the peer's identity or liveness has not been asserted.

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@ghedo No, just the receive keys.

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@kazuho I understand that the key applicability is a general property of TLS1.3; however QUIC is the only one where the secret is actually consumed outside of TLS. quic-tls defines this interface and we have the right to impose constraints on it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1119,7 +1125,7 @@ PeerNotAwaitingAddressValidation():
          has received 1-RTT ACK
 
 SetLossDetectionTimer():
-  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestLossTime()
+  loss_time, _ = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_times)

I fixed it by defining loss_times, but I'll revert that if you don't like it. I prefer plurals, but I'll keep them consistent and singular for now.

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While I'm fully supportive of the spirit of this PR, I still have some comments on here that haven't been addressed (for example the implementation guidance text was apparently accidentally removed)

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  When a PTO timer expires, the PTO period MUST be set to twice its current
 value. This exponential reduction in the sender's rate is important because
 the PTOs might be caused by loss of packets or acknowledgements due to severe
-congestion.  The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is
-limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.
+congestion.  Even when there are ack-eliciting packets in-flight in multiple
+packet number spaces, the exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across
+all spaces to prevent excess load on the network.  For example, a timeout in
+the Initial packet number space doubles the length of the timeout in the
+Handshake packet number space.

The Initial and Handshake timeouts should always be the same length, because neither uses the peer's max_ack_delay. But they could be started from different points in time.

As long as you send both at once, then the Initial PTO dominates.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -328,8 +328,11 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption
-  level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at QUIC layer (type

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@martinduke As said, it is not only QUIC. DTLS 1.3 also uses the TLS 1.3 handshake protocol while having a different packetization layer ("records" in TLS term).

That said, I am fine with letting the editors of the QUIC-TLS draft decide.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

Thank you for the PR. I agree that giving a warning to the implementors in the QUIC-TLS draft is the right choice.

I am fine with the PR aside from the editorial concern below.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -504,6 +504,9 @@ client could interleave ACK frames that are protected with Handshake keys with
 0-RTT data and the server needs to process those acknowledgments in order to
 detect lost Handshake packets.
 
+A TLS implementation MUST NOT provide a 1-RTT decrypt secret to QUIC until it
+the TLS handshake is complete.

As stated in #3173 (comment), I do not think we should be using a normative word here, as this is a requirement in the TLS 1.3 handshake protocol (specifycally the one stated in section 4.4.4).

QUIC is a user of the TLS handshake protocol (like DTLS 1.3), and we should not repeat what the TLS handshake protocol already requires you to do.

That said, I am fine with editors making the choice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -504,6 +504,9 @@ client could interleave ACK frames that are protected with Handshake keys with
 0-RTT data and the server needs to process those acknowledgments in order to
 detect lost Handshake packets.
 
+A TLS implementation MUST NOT provide a 1-RTT decrypt secret to QUIC until it
+the TLS handshake is complete.

I'm persuaded by Kazuho's argument here. I don't think that we need the whole appendix, but a note on this might be worth adding.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 31 15:32:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB6D12086F for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sopsk3EJyt4F for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2524120825 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:32:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572561129; bh=50B2uUDq8TqrScRIJ+ViUY2hLy1aoa4PWLk924Sp2rU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JkPE/Oau2zHDAJv5FTO41wPZmLjYhbPuhqqqL51U4EeGa6BpOVN398t4b731eQqHP 2gBOv5R2NPqnbY3bXlfbcEWR+cjGY25IywJAfDKGToPMmZcTCXWP49m6Z7F6TEs3qw DHfzqhWOkaWlHbwC3noVsBC6Jp2JVBvQdylCGIzM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite key update section (#3050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dbb60e96c0_68693fa1882cd9681608e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:32:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dbb60e96c0_68693fa1882cd9681608e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My bad @DavidSchinazi. 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My bad @DavidSchinazi. I had restored that text in my local copy, but failed to push.

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@DavidSchinazi approved this pull request.

Thanks for adding back the implementation text. I like the new text.

I would personally prefer to see all the timing side-channel text in its own subsection, because it makes the more important part of the spec harder to read, and I don't see this attack as important enough to warrant worrying about when trying to understand key updates.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys so that packets sent by its peer prior to
+receiving the key update can be processed.  Discarding old keys too early can
+cause delayed packets to be discarded.  Discarding packets will be interpreted
+as packet loss by the peer and could adversely affect performance.
+
+
+## Responding to a Key Update
+
+A peer is permitted to initiate a key update after receiving an acknowledgement
+of a packet in the current key phase.  If a packet is received with a key phase
+that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it
+sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the
+corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations
+about generating these keys.
+
+An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate

I'm not parsing this sentence well. What does it mean?

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Discarding old keys too early can +cause delayed packets to be discarded. Discarding packets will be interpreted +as packet loss by the peer and could adversely affect performance. + + +## Responding to a Key Update + +A peer is permitted to initiate a key update after receiving an acknowledgement +of a packet in the current key phase. If a packet is received with a key phase +that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it +sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the +corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations +about generating these keys. + +An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate I cut it. It isn't necessary. The point was to say that you need to generate the same keys for reading that your peer uses for writing. But it was full of fail. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys so that packets sent by its peer prior to
+receiving the key update can be processed.  Discarding old keys too early can
+cause delayed packets to be discarded.  Discarding packets will be interpreted
+as packet loss by the peer and could adversely affect performance.
+
+
+## Responding to a Key Update
+
+A peer is permitted to initiate a key update after receiving an acknowledgement
+of a packet in the current key phase.  If a packet is received with a key phase
+that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it
+sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the
+corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations
+about generating these keys.
+
+An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate

I cut it. It isn't necessary.

The point was to say that you need to generate the same keys for reading that your peer uses for writing. But it was full of fail.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 31 16:53:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37731200D8 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FTySi1k-LjMP for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937181200B9 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:53:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572565994; bh=wK0dhe5z9ObTFqR2oB1xZbhoAVYSguZdHT+cwfg0rEk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hUcd2nfyVcXBfbV9S8AsrouJJX+67DMeHKMNqSQC/9Kbv0FcHSS2hjQCeJr+Yfz3W 5VaMURHU5uKE1vlUzPNlu5jdiyeBJ53qumJAEPq+5U7SVaqNw/GcjlmqgYQcU8jnos CFVU3TreVIGG3QXaAbk0tHVLDSzWaIGKE/eUlzME= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport and TLS changelog for -24 (#3180) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dbb73eae2776_d343ffd66ccd960150057"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 23:53:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dbb73eae2776_d343ffd66ccd960150057 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't merged #3050 yet, but I anticipate doing so soon. 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I haven't merged #3050 yet, but I anticipate doing so soon.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 31 21:06:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585881200C5 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nqMIQ3JMyZ-g for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AA3712006D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5897A6A0BE9 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:06:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572581191; bh=V3c+Wp8qq3ufJ+VT0LqAjmvdJGqIVXNsUjSMZhKCnuo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TuDWKXEbutK5y3T6/WsBkemE28RE/Ksvl0W2q5Mqy0oBn7XrjxcL3L7mJqfRRO+Tr cZygdu3102w+GRXACkyYHFD6t6+wluN+Xsra32Q1Bj1Vu/XGA5WhSe/y27MiQz6RDB axBH1fAfyOIeoa/FzgMdp7hK4iUjZK7POuJO6FXo= Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 21:06:31 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite key update section (#3050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dbbaf4749f8e_7e583f820e8cd960487262"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 04:06:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dbbaf4749f8e_7e583f820e8cd960487262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. A few nits. I've asked @kazuho if he could take another look as well. > +corresponding key and IV are created from that secret as defined in +{{protection-keys}}. The header protection key is not updated. + +For example, to update write keys with TLS 1.3, HKDF-Expand-Label is used as: + +~~~ +secret_ = HKDF-Expand-Label(secret_, "quic ku", + "", Hash.length) +~~~ + +The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and +IV to protect all subsequent packets. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an +acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current +key phase. This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another ```suggestion key phase. This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another key update ``` > +receiving packets. These keys will be needed to process packets the peer sends +after updating. + +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys so that packets sent by its peer prior to +receiving the key update can be processed. Discarding old keys too early can +cause delayed packets to be discarded. Discarding packets will be interpreted +as packet loss by the peer and could adversely affect performance. + + +## Responding to a Key Update + +A peer is permitted to initiate a key update after receiving an acknowledgement +of a packet in the current key phase. If a packet is received with a key phase +that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it +sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the +corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations It might be kinder to the reader if you could split this 3-line sentence into two sentences. > +its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting confirmation. An endpoint MAY +treat consecutive key updates as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. + +An endpoint that receives an acknowledgement that is carried in a packet +protected with old keys where any acknowledged packet was protected with newer +keys MAY treat that as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. This +indicates that a peer has received and acknowledged a packet that initiates a +key update, but has not updated keys in response. + + +## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation} + +Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing +side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see +{{header-protect-analysis}}). Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in +place of discarded keys when key updates are not yet permitted; using dummy keys ```suggestion place of discarded keys when key updates are not yet permitted. 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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1153,8 +1174,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionTimeout follows:
 
 ~~~
 OnLossDetectionTimeout():
-  loss_time, pn_space = GetEarliestLossTime()
-  if (loss_time != 0):
+  earliest_loss_time, pn_space =
+    GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_times)

This should be loss_time instead of loss_times. loss_time is a global variable.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -328,8 +328,11 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption
-  level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at QUIC layer (type

Thanks! Applied in 408ba48.

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----==_mimepart_5dbbc1a3dc293_436a3fbf162cd96c6744ed-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 22:38:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E1D12012C for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:38:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bfwG-_StUoMM for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B478212001E for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:38:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1572586681; bh=Qc2wkdCFS6pl13GO9T8qvJY8/7zL8yEYbqO3gMklRc0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QW4PXFm0cpMlUeZ088VcoxtOOzqRIEfGWNK0StbzvgEkbTnLqjaGbLFHe5+5E7Akr 17f7Y3fx5oAH5ufVEd9ihM4uRobvxAKNddQLO1iTD4xvSZA0pMA6iBej1dBUT6mVfe 9ZNhTy7pYLwTbhiCUzsjvfyMD75CllNOlcZCcACE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify the scope of a NEW_TOKEN token (#3156) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dbbc4b9c1a18_6dd83f933aecd968417913"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 05:38:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dbbc4b9c1a18_6dd83f933aecd968417913 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho pushed 1 commit. e0a60c778340168e734cb229d12ec7257f736192 add unless, based on the discussion starting from https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3155#issuecomment-548264247 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. View it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3156/files/3d68e2be216d2ca28a28221f1f86bc91ffde7fa0..e0a60c778340168e734cb229d12ec7257f736192 ----==_mimepart_5dbbc4b9c1a18_6dd83f933aecd968417913 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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