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    For the purpose of verifying that an Initial packet is larger than the required minimum, all bytes count.
    For all other purposes, including congestion control and amplification control, only valid packets count.
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I don't agree that these bytes shouldn't count for amplification control. Amplification control is about received byes, and these are bytes.

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For the purpose of verifying that an Initial packet is larger than the required minimum, all bytes count.<br>
For all other purposes, including congestion control and amplification control, only valid packets count.<br>
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<p>I don't agree that these bytes shouldn't count for amplification control. Amplification control is about received byes, and these are bytes.</p>

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Or a subsequent GOAWAY frame clarifies their status.

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<p>Or a subsequent GOAWAY frame clarifies their status.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 3880d5ca06d822cf1efeb0455b4ddda0ea41d7d0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3880d5ca06d822cf1efeb0455b4ddda0ea41d7d0
  Author: Dmitri Tikhonov <dtikhonov@litespeedtech.com>
  Date:   2020-01-30 (Thu, 30 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Clarify that minimal varint encoding applies to ALL frame types

Fixes issue #3402


  Commit: 8fa211026107bcc1282aa724fc8464624557dbfb
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-01 (Sat, 01 Feb 2020)

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  Merge pull request #3403 from dtikhonov/202001301348-clarify-minimal-encoding

Clarify that minimal varint encoding applies to ALL frame types


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5507dd1d77d4...8fa211026107


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Merged #3403 into master.

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Thanks for this.  It's a lot clearer this way.

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<p>Thanks for this.  It's a lot clearer this way.</p>

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Mike's advice is almost perfect, though I would point out that an issue does give us more opportunity to discuss things in a place that isn't a PR, so issues for the category of more intricate editorial changes can be useful.

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<p>Mike's advice is almost perfect, though I would point out that an issue does give us more opportunity to discuss things in a place that isn't a PR, so issues for the category of more intricate editorial changes can be useful.</p>

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  Add forward references to packet number spaces

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The description here was a little over enthusiastic: it only enters the
&quot;Send&quot; state when something is sent.

Closes #2636.
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  * Simplify initial sending part state

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5)

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<p>The description here was a little over enthusiastic: it only enters the<br>
"Send" state when something is sent.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #2636.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="435291855" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2636" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2636/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2636">#2636</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Simplify initial sending part state</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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Wow, that sat there for ages.  I made a PR.

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<p>Wow, that sat there for ages.  I made a PR.</p>

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So far, we haven't tied the server's knowledge of the client's address to anything about a CID, and a lot of the attacks against migration involve an actor on the network changing the path & address from which the server thinks the packets are coming, even if the client does not actually change anything. I haven't thought this all the way through yet, but it seems as though trying to have the server issue "address-specific" CIDs leads us into some potentially tricky territory.

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<p>So far, we haven't tied the server's knowledge of the client's address to anything about a CID, and a lot of the attacks against migration involve an actor on the network changing the path &amp; address from which the server thinks the packets are coming, even if the client does not actually change anything. I haven't thought this all the way through yet, but it seems as though trying to have the server issue "address-specific" CIDs leads us into some potentially tricky territory.</p>

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@erickinnear made me realize the nature of the hazard here.

It seems fairly natural for an server to bind connection IDs to the current socket address.  That is part of why we have new connection IDs attached to the preferred address and the forced retirement.  After all, if the server uses a different target address, the hash at a load balancer could change and cause packets to be badly routed.  Not including the target address in the hash would work, but it would force connection IDs to be bigger.

But this all assumes that you never expect the server to migrate.  If the server ever wanted to migrate, then the client is stuck with a bunch of unusable connection IDs for its own migrations.

We decided that only clients can initiate migration in this version, which might mean that we don't need to worry about this case.  We decided not to allow server migration primarily to avoid having to deal with the complex problems that ICE handles.  But it was only the lack of mechanisms, not a structural constraint.  Now it seems like we have a structural constraint that would prevent server migration.

At a minimum, it seems like we should probably acknowledge this constraint somehow.

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<p>It seems fairly natural for an server to bind connection IDs to the current socket address.  That is part of why we have new connection IDs attached to the preferred address and the forced retirement.  After all, if the server uses a different target address, the hash at a load balancer could change and cause packets to be badly routed.  Not including the target address in the hash would work, but it would force connection IDs to be bigger.</p>
<p>But this all assumes that you never expect the server to migrate.  If the server ever wanted to migrate, then the client is stuck with a bunch of unusable connection IDs for its own migrations.</p>
<p>We decided that only clients can initiate migration in this version, which might mean that we don't need to worry about this case.  We decided not to allow server migration primarily to avoid having to deal with the complex problems that ICE handles.  But it was only the lack of mechanisms, not a structural constraint.  Now it seems like we have a structural constraint that would prevent server migration.</p>
<p>At a minimum, it seems like we should probably acknowledge this constraint somehow.</p>

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I agree with @DavidSchinazi here. Any alternative is ok, but the draft should say whether servers can expect that the client might switch DCID and whether the clients can expect the server to send NCID w/ RPT>0 before the handshake is complete.

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<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/DavidSchinazi/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/DavidSchinazi">@DavidSchinazi</a> here. Any alternative is ok, but the draft should say whether servers can expect that the client might switch DCID and whether the clients can expect the server to send NCID w/ RPT&gt;0 before the handshake is complete.</p>

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Unlike the other transport parameter definitions, there is no type specified for the `active_connection_id_limit` parameter. I will assume that the type is an integer (like the other numeric-like transport parameters) and submit a PR to adjust the wording so that it is in line with the other transport parameter descriptions, if that's ok?

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<p>Unlike the other transport parameter definitions, there is no type specified for the <code>active_connection_id_limit</code> parameter. I will assume that the type is an integer (like the other numeric-like transport parameters) and submit a PR to adjust the wording so that it is in line with the other transport parameter descriptions, if that's ok?</p>
<p>Thanks for all the great work that you are all doing on getting QUIC specified!</p>

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  * Fix #3405: Specify that active_connection_id_limit TP is an integer

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3)

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  <li>Fix #3405: Specify that active_connection_id_limit TP is an integer</li>
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Good catch! Looks like all the other values have a type either implicitly or explicitly stated. `active_connection_id_limit` is indeed intended to be an integer, a PR to that effect would be great.

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<p>Good catch! Looks like all the other values have a type either implicitly or explicitly stated. <code>active_connection_id_limit</code> is indeed intended to be an integer, a PR to that effect would be great.</p>

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> I don't agree that these bytes shouldn't count for amplification control. Amplification control is about received byes, and these are bytes.

Does that mean random garbage (that's not appended to a QUIC packet) is supposed to count as well? That would require implementations to do 5-tuple tracking.

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<p>Does that mean random garbage (that's not appended to a QUIC packet) is supposed to count as well? That would require implementations to do 5-tuple tracking.</p>

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> I don't agree that these bytes shouldn't count for amplification control.
> Amplification control is about received byes, and these are bytes.
>
> Does that mean random garbage (that's not appended to a QUIC packet) is
> supposed to count as well? That would require implementations to do 5-tuple
> tracking.
>
That doesn't seem to follow necessarily. If a UDP datagram contains a valid
QUIC packet, count the bytes of the datagram. Otherwise, drop the datagram.

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On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 6:18 AM Marten Seemann &lt;notifications@github.com&gt;<br>
wrote:<br>
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&gt; I don&#39;t agree that these bytes shouldn&#39;t count for amplification control.<br>
&gt; Amplification control is about received byes, and these are bytes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Does that mean random garbage (that&#39;s not appended to a QUIC packet) is<br>
&gt; supposed to count as well? That would require implementations to do 5-tuple<br>
&gt; tracking.<br>
&gt;<br>
That doesn&#39;t seem to follow necessarily. If a UDP datagram contains a valid<br>
QUIC packet, count the bytes of the datagram. Otherwise, drop the datagram.<br>
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IIRC we discussed and agreed that amplification control happens an the UDP datagram level. The rational was that unless we do so, clients using 0-RTT by coalescing Initial and 0-RTT packets into a single datagram would see inferior performance.

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<p>IIRC we discussed and agreed that amplification control happens an the UDP datagram level. The rational was that unless we do so, clients using 0-RTT by coalescing Initial and 0-RTT packets into a single datagram would see inferior performance.</p>

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My point is I think this is the wrong direction. I think n=2 is unnecessarily restrictive as a default, and does have unwanted performance impacts in some places. 

I think the case of loss for a burst of one packet that you mention is handed by the timer. The congestion impact is minor.

While I agree for n=2 the method doesn't make much difference, for n=10, it would make a difference - because I'd expect it to be Important to be able to robustly detect and respond after congestion, I'm not sure it matters if the intention is to send DupACK+k immediate ACks or to send ACKs more frequently for some proportion of a RTT. 

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<p>My point is I think this is the wrong direction. I think n=2 is unnecessarily restrictive as a default, and does have unwanted performance impacts in some places.</p>
<p>I think the case of loss for a burst of one packet that you mention is handed by the timer. The congestion impact is minor.</p>
<p>While I agree for n=2 the method doesn't make much difference, for n=10, it would make a difference - because I'd expect it to be Important to be able to robustly detect and respond after congestion, I'm not sure it matters if the intention is to send DupACK+k immediate ACks or to send ACKs more frequently for some proportion of a RTT.</p>

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I actually don't think this is editorial. The CID match requirement is clearly technical and, as has been noted before, this would cause problems with Neqo's padding strategy.

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<p>I actually don't think this is editorial. The CID match requirement is clearly technical and, as has been noted before, this would cause problems with Neqo's padding strategy.</p>

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The intent is that RFC7540 is an informative reference after this PR and #3352.  Goes a long way toward fixing #3264.

It&#39;s intended to be purely editorial, despite the normative language -- these are requirements which were previously incorporated by reference to RFC 7540 and are now explicitly stated in the document.  However, some of the imported requirements didn&#39;t have specifications about what you do if they&#39;re not met, so I did have to add that text.

The Security Considerations of RFC7540 are substantial.  If we think it&#39;s worth not simply referencing 7540 for that discussion, that deserves its own PR.  Opinions on the value of that are welcome here, however.

@royfielding, GitHub doesn&#39;t let me directly request your review, but I would appreciate it.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407

-- Commit Summary --

  * Import most H2 references

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (102)

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<p>The intent is that RFC7540 is an informative reference after this PR and <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="551023981" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3352" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3352/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3352">#3352</a>.  Goes a long way toward fixing <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="524733935" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3264" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3264/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3264">#3264</a>.</p>
<p>It's intended to be purely editorial, despite the normative language -- these are requirements which were previously incorporated by reference to RFC 7540 and are now explicitly stated in the document.  However, some of the imported requirements didn't have specifications about what you do if they're not met, so I did have to add that text.</p>
<p>The Security Considerations of RFC7540 are substantial.  If we think it's worth not simply referencing 7540 for that discussion, that deserves its own PR.  Opinions on the value of that are welcome here, however.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/royfielding/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/royfielding">@royfielding</a>, GitHub doesn't let me directly request your review, but I would appreciate it.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Import most H2 references</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>
    (102)
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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This came up in the room as well.  The current proposal is:

If a packet is successfully processed, then the bytes of the datagram that it was contained in count toward the amplification limit.

There is some question about whether servers are permitted to include other datagrams that are sent on the same path.  This might be easier for some people to manage, but @marten-seemann is concerned that it could lead to inconsistencies and therefore bugs.  Personally, I find the idea that purely junk datagrams MAY be counted to be acceptable.

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<p>This came up in the room as well.  The current proposal is:</p>
<p>If a packet is successfully processed, then the bytes of the datagram that it was contained in count toward the amplification limit.</p>
<p>There is some question about whether servers are permitted to include other datagrams that are sent on the same path.  This might be easier for some people to manage, but <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/marten-seemann/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/marten-seemann">@marten-seemann</a> is concerned that it could lead to inconsistencies and therefore bugs.  Personally, I find the idea that purely junk datagrams MAY be counted to be acceptable.</p>

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>From an interop discussion with @martinduke and @kazuho.

HTTP/1.1 [requires](https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-latest.html#header.host) the presence of a Host header:
> A client MUST send a Host header field in all HTTP/1.1 request messages. If the target URI includes an authority component, then a client MUST send a field value for Host that is identical to that authority component, excluding any userinfo subcomponent and its "@" delimiter (Section 2.5.1). If the authority component is missing or undefined for the target URI, then a client MUST send a Host header field with an empty field value.
If no Host header is present, the section on [Effective Request URI](https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-latest.html#h1.effective.request.uri) describes how you determine what host is being asked for, ending with "heuristics" if it's an HTTP/1.0 request.

HTTP/2 says that you generate an `:authority` pseudo-header if sending direct-to-H2 and carry through the Host header if you're relaying HTTP/1.1.  There is no discussion about what to do with an HTTP/1.0 (or 0.9) request being relayed over HTTP/2, which wouldn't have a Host header; you're neither required to generate or send one, even an empty one, nor are you given guidance about how to figure it out.

HTTP/3 carries forward the H2 language (currently by reference, and explicitly after #3407).  Do we want to have some guidance here?  Or does this issue instead belong in https://httpwg.org/http-core/ to move some of the existing guidance to be HTTP version-independent?

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<p>From an interop discussion with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinduke/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinduke">@martinduke</a> and <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a>.</p>
<p>HTTP/1.1 <a href="https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-latest.html#header.host" rel="nofollow">requires</a> the presence of a Host header:</p>
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<p>A client MUST send a Host header field in all HTTP/1.1 request messages. If the target URI includes an authority component, then a client MUST send a field value for Host that is identical to that authority component, excluding any userinfo subcomponent and its "@" delimiter (Section 2.5.1). If the authority component is missing or undefined for the target URI, then a client MUST send a Host header field with an empty field value.<br>
If no Host header is present, the section on <a href="https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-messaging-latest.html#h1.effective.request.uri" rel="nofollow">Effective Request URI</a> describes how you determine what host is being asked for, ending with "heuristics" if it's an HTTP/1.0 request.</p>
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<p>HTTP/2 says that you generate an <code>:authority</code> pseudo-header if sending direct-to-H2 and carry through the Host header if you're relaying HTTP/1.1.  There is no discussion about what to do with an HTTP/1.0 (or 0.9) request being relayed over HTTP/2, which wouldn't have a Host header; you're neither required to generate or send one, even an empty one, nor are you given guidance about how to figure it out.</p>
<p>HTTP/3 carries forward the H2 language (currently by reference, and explicitly after <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="559629981" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3407" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407">#3407</a>).  Do we want to have some guidance here?  Or does this issue instead belong in <a href="https://httpwg.org/http-core/" rel="nofollow">https://httpwg.org/http-core/</a> to move some of the existing guidance to be HTTP version-independent?</p>
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@MikeBishop Thank you for looking into the problem.

Regarding if (or how) we should handle the issue, I think my weak preference goes to having one rule for both HTTP/2 and HTTP/3. That would be less surprising to the users, and would also be helpful to implementations. It could well be the case for an HTTP server to have a common logic of handing pseudo headers (or lack of) between HTTP/2 and HTTP/3.

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<p>Regarding if (or how) we should handle the issue, I think my weak preference goes to having one rule for both HTTP/2 and HTTP/3. That would be less surprising to the users, and would also be helpful to implementations. It could well be the case for an HTTP server to have a common logic of handing pseudo headers (or lack of) between HTTP/2 and HTTP/3.</p>

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To add normative language to Martin's statement, "If a packet is successfully processed, then the bytes of the datagram that it was contained in MUST count toward the amplification limit."

Additionally, I'd suggest if the long header matches, but it's not processable(ie: 0-RTT), then it SHOULD count and pure junk MAY count.  As such clients cannot rely on non processable packets to increase amplification limits.

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<p>To add normative language to Martin's statement, "If a packet is successfully processed, then the bytes of the datagram that it was contained in MUST count toward the amplification limit."</p>
<p>Additionally, I'd suggest if the long header matches, but it's not processable(ie: 0-RTT), then it SHOULD count and pure junk MAY count.  As such clients cannot rely on non processable packets to increase amplification limits.</p>

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Host is an HTTP/1.x header field (it was just late to the party), so HTTP/1.0 includes it as an extension. And that requirement is specific to HTTP/1.1, so would theoretically not apply to HTTP/1.2 (and that was intended): it was a short term requirement imposed by the IESG because they wanted to require deployment and didn't understand that it was already deployed.

In general, I don't understand why ":authority" exists (as opposed to always using ":host"), but I think the HTTP requirement is simply that the identifying data must be present somewhere in the request.

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<p>Host is an HTTP/1.x header field (it was just late to the party), so HTTP/1.0 includes it as an extension. And that requirement is specific to HTTP/1.1, so would theoretically not apply to HTTP/1.2 (and that was intended): it was a short term requirement imposed by the IESG because they wanted to require deployment and didn't understand that it was already deployed.</p>
<p>In general, I don't understand why ":authority" exists (as opposed to always using ":host"), but I think the HTTP requirement is simply that the identifying data must be present somewhere in the request.</p>

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I share @ianswett's concern regarding 0-RTT packets.

At the moment, [section 8.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-8.1-4) states:
> In order to avoid this causing a handshake deadlock, clients SHOULD send a packet upon a probe timeout, as described in [QUIC-RECOVERY]. If the client has no data to retransmit and does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes.

As you can see, we do not require the probe to be an Initial packet. They could be purely 0-RTT packets. If we are to allow an endpoint calculate amplification factor at QUIC packet level, we need to change this provision.

And that change should require the client to send probes as Initial packets that are large enough. It cannot simply be a packet that contains only one byte PADDING (or PING).

To me, that seems a bit too complicated.

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<p>I share <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a>'s concern regarding 0-RTT packets.</p>
<p>At the moment, <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-8.1-4" rel="nofollow">section 8.1</a> states:</p>
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<p>In order to avoid this causing a handshake deadlock, clients SHOULD send a packet upon a probe timeout, as described in [QUIC-RECOVERY]. If the client has no data to retransmit and does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes.</p>
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<p>As you can see, we do not require the probe to be an Initial packet. They could be purely 0-RTT packets. If we are to allow an endpoint calculate amplification factor at QUIC packet level, we need to change this provision.</p>
<p>And that change should require the client to send probes as Initial packets that are large enough. It cannot simply be a packet that contains only one byte PADDING (or PING).</p>
<p>To me, that seems a bit too complicated.</p>

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All client Initial packets are in full-sized datagrams, based on my understanding, so a PING is fine in practice.

And the PTO is never armed for 0-RTT, so the probe packets would not be 0-RTT.  That being said, I'm a bit concerned those are SHOULDs and not MUSTs.


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<p>All client Initial packets are in full-sized datagrams, based on my understanding, so a PING is fine in practice.</p>
<p>And the PTO is never armed for 0-RTT, so the probe packets would not be 0-RTT.  That being said, I'm a bit concerned those are SHOULDs and not MUSTs.</p>

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I would not be in favor of reopening this.

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<p>I would not be in favor of reopening this.</p>

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":authority" exists for the purpose of always transporting the equivalent of the `absolute-form`, with ":scheme" and ":path" transporting the rest.  It's mostly a consistency thing, I think.  If you have a "Host" header instead, that's acceptable, too.

So should we say that the target authority MUST be present in either "Host" or ":authority", or do we leave it alone?

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<p>":authority" exists for the purpose of always transporting the equivalent of the <code>absolute-form</code>, with ":scheme" and ":path" transporting the rest.  It's mostly a consistency thing, I think.  If you have a "Host" header instead, that's acceptable, too.</p>
<p>So should we say that the target authority MUST be present in either "Host" or ":authority", or do we leave it alone?</p>

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Just to clarify the proposal was that if you decide to enable ECN, you should just do it and only disable if you notice a failure, instead of having the more complicated probing logic that we have right now (in the appendix I think)

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<p>Just to clarify the proposal was that if you decide to enable ECN, you should just do it and only disable if you notice a failure, instead of having the more complicated probing logic that we have right now (in the appendix I think)</p>

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> And the PTO is never armed for 0-RTT, so the probe packets would not be 0-RTT. That being said, I'm a bit concerned those are SHOULDs and not MUSTs.

Yeah, I am concerned that it might be fragile to rely on the behavior of recovery. Moreover, if the client has large amount of data to send, it'd me natural for that client to continue sending datagrams, each of them consisting of a tiny Initial packet and a large 0-RTT packet.

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Well, assuming we still allow requests for URIs that do not have an authority component (e.g, a URN or similar), I think it is better to just leave it alone. OTOH, folks are still going to ask what needs to be sent when the request target doesn't have an authority component, so that ought to be defined somewhere here more sensibly than it was for 1.1.

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<p>Well, assuming we still allow requests for URIs that do not have an authority component (e.g, a URN or similar), I think it is better to just leave it alone. OTOH, folks are still going to ask what needs to be sent when the request target doesn't have an authority component, so that ought to be defined somewhere here more sensibly than it was for 1.1.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-01-28 (Tue, 28 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M interim-20-02/agenda.md

  Log Message:
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  Add discussion of ack delay extension to agenda

This extension has seen discussion on the mailing list and there's fairly strong interest among implementers in getting this in along with v1.


  Commit: e4d0357847136921bc090b2b9e9d5b5dcafce678
      https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/e4d0357847136921bc090b2b9e9d5b5dcafce678
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  Date:   2020-02-04 (Tue, 04 Feb 2020)

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  Merge pull request #139 from janaiyengar/patch-1

Add discussion of ack delay extension to agenda


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ekr commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1814,10 +1814,13 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP

I agree with @kazuho: suppose that one has a scheme where you store tokens, then the token wouldn't contain this information. Isn't the requirement here that the token be *bound* to an IP.

> @@ -1814,10 +1814,13 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.  Servers MUST ensure that
+replay of tokens is prevented or limited.  For instance, servers might limit the
+time over which a token is accepted.  Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MAY omit
+the client port and allow for use over a longer period.  Tokens MAY include
+additional information about clients to further narrow applicability or reuse.

This is actually a pretty confusing situation that the document sees to handle badly.

Suppose that a client connects with address 1.2.3.4 and the server issues a NEW_TOKEN with address 1.2.3.4. When the client comes back it has 5.6.7.8. The server might accept the token for purposes of anti-DoS (e.g., it might otherwise send Retry), but should not accept it for the purposes of exempting the client from the anti-amplification limits. 

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r374672269">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1814,10 +1814,13 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
</pre>
<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a>: suppose that one has a scheme where you store tokens, then the token wouldn't contain this information. Isn't the requirement here that the token be <em>bound</em> to an IP.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r374674750">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1814,10 +1814,13 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.  Servers MUST ensure that
+replay of tokens is prevented or limited.  For instance, servers might limit the
+time over which a token is accepted.  Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MAY omit
+the client port and allow for use over a longer period.  Tokens MAY include
+additional information about clients to further narrow applicability or reuse.
</pre>
<p>This is actually a pretty confusing situation that the document sees to handle badly.</p>
<p>Suppose that a client connects with address 1.2.3.4 and the server issues a NEW_TOKEN with address 1.2.3.4. When the client comes back it has 5.6.7.8. The server might accept the token for purposes of anti-DoS (e.g., it might otherwise send Retry), but should not accept it for the purposes of exempting the client from the anti-amplification limits.</p>

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> -Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet.  Any
-additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types
-include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.  This avoids
-problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in
+response to an Initial packet from the server. Once a client has received an
+Initial packet from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent packet it
+receives with a different Source Connection ID.
+
+A client MUST change the DCID value it sends in response to only the first

```suggestion
A client MUST change the Destination Connection ID value it uses for sending packets in response to only the first
```

> -additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types
-include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.  This avoids
-problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in
+response to an Initial packet from the server. Once a client has received an
+Initial packet from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent packet it
+receives with a different Source Connection ID.
+
+A client MUST change the DCID value it sends in response to only the first
+received Initial or Retry packet.  A server MUST set its DCID value based on the

```suggestion
received Initial or Retry packet.  A server MUST set the Destination Connection ID it uses for sending packets based on the
```

> -problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in
+response to an Initial packet from the server. Once a client has received an
+Initial packet from the server, it MUST discard any subsequent packet it
+receives with a different Source Connection ID.
+
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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Add loss bits presentation


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Christian, if you have something in mind, I suggest that a PR would be a good way to get what you want.

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This is weird in that it assumes some context that isn't provided:

> Recovery is a period of time beginning with detection of a lost packet or an increase in the ECN-CE counter. Because QUIC does not retransmit packets, it defines the end of recovery as a packet sent after the start of recovery being acknowledged.

Perhaps instead:

> A recovery period is entered when loss or ECN-CE marking of a packet is detected.  The recovery period ends when a packet sent during the recovery period is acknowledged.

This "Because QUIC does not retransmit packets" thing is unnecessary.  I'll open a PR.

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<p>This is weird in that it assumes some context that isn't provided:</p>
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<p>Recovery is a period of time beginning with detection of a lost packet or an increase in the ECN-CE counter. Because QUIC does not retransmit packets, it defines the end of recovery as a packet sent after the start of recovery being acknowledged.</p>
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<p>Perhaps instead:</p>
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<p>A recovery period is entered when loss or ECN-CE marking of a packet is detected.  The recovery period ends when a packet sent during the recovery period is acknowledged.</p>
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<p>This "Because QUIC does not retransmit packets" thing is unnecessary.  I'll open a PR.</p>

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Closes #3409.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3410

-- Commit Summary --

  * Redefine recovery period

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (9)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3409.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="559751573" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3409" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3409/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3409">#3409</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Redefine recovery period</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    (9)
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Discussed in ZRH. Difference to be explained as an editorial comment.


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Specifically, we'll add some text that describes how PTO in QUIC is different than RTO and TLP in TCP.

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I do not want to change the existing algorithm, because the app-limited case is the case when the sender is strictly less aggressive than the congestion controller limits, so I believe it's less likely to cause issues for the network.

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<p>I do not want to change the existing algorithm, because the app-limited case is the case when the sender is strictly less aggressive than the congestion controller limits, so I believe it's less likely to cause issues for the network.</p>
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If non-normative, then non-design.

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<p>If non-normative, then non-design.</p>

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After more discussion, I think Jana's right and we should close this with no action.  The min_rtt in QUIC recovery is used for a very specific purpose(preventing 'silly' SRTTs due to ack_delay) and not meant for other purposes.

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<p>After more discussion, I think Jana's right and we should close this with no action.  The min_rtt in QUIC recovery is used for a very specific purpose(preventing 'silly' SRTTs due to ack_delay) and not meant for other purposes.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/padding-advice
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  Tweak traffic analysis text

This text was pretty good and more or less covered the problem already,
but I think that this might be slightly better.

Closes #2905.



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This text was pretty good and more or less covered the problem already,
but I think that this might be slightly better.

@MikeBishop, if you don&#39;t like this, close this AND #2905.

Closes #2905.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3411

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  * Tweak traffic analysis text

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (6)

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<p>This text was pretty good and more or less covered the problem already,<br>
but I think that this might be slightly better.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a>, if you don't like this, close this AND <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="469323941" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2905" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2905/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2905">#2905</a>.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #2905.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="469323941" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2905" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2905/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2905">#2905</a>.</p>

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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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My plan is:
1) Keep a single pto_count.
2) Reset it when a packet number space is dropped, since that is an indication of forward progress.
3) Re-arm the loss detection timer when dropping a packet number space in case it was armed for the space being dropped.
4) Add some more explanatory text about how pto_count and multiple packet number spaces interact.

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<p>My plan is:</p>
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<li>Keep a single pto_count.</li>
<li>Reset it when a packet number space is dropped, since that is an indication of forward progress.</li>
<li>Re-arm the loss detection timer when dropping a packet number space in case it was armed for the space being dropped.</li>
<li>Add some more explanatory text about how pto_count and multiple packet number spaces interact.</li>
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We've done some of this, but it is now up to Alan and Mike.

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  Branch: refs/heads/initial-bidi-send-state
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bccab939fc7f42eef2132a3a2bd2c711f7386541
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-04 (Tue, 04 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Missing thingamabob



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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: f0d067dbf9cc5bdb4f8fa38695aa857005edab5b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0d067dbf9cc5bdb4f8fa38695aa857005edab5b
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-11-12 (Tue, 12 Nov 2019)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Simplify initial sending part state

The description here was a little over enthusiastic: it only enters the
"Send" state when something is sent.

Closes #2636.


  Commit: bccab939fc7f42eef2132a3a2bd2c711f7386541
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bccab939fc7f42eef2132a3a2bd2c711f7386541
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-04 (Tue, 04 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Missing thingamabob


  Commit: 19e1c75ee39a5c32f349dbf7ee1537c13c007dae
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3404 from quicwg/initial-bidi-send-state

Simplify initial sending part state


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/14f7494ab1f6...19e1c75ee39a


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I think https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-failed-path-validation answers this.  Let's close.

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<p>I think <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-failed-path-validation" rel="nofollow">https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-failed-path-validation</a> answers this.  Let's close.</p>

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Closed #1277.

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Discussed in editors meeting - this feels like a design issue.

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<p>Discussed in editors meeting - this feels like a design issue.</p>

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I don't agree that the method is robust to path changes that result in a larger RTT. I can read the latest draft and see if the comment still applies.

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<p>I don't agree that the method is robust to path changes that result in a larger RTT. I can read the latest draft and see if the comment still applies.</p>

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Based on the feedback here, I think that the overwhelming sense is that people don't want to do this.  This has also been discussed before (see #485) and I'm not aware of anything that has changed in that time. 

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<p>Based on the feedback here, I think that the overwhelming sense is that people don't want to do this.  This has also been discussed before (see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="224997334" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/485" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/485/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/485">#485</a>) and I'm not aware of anything that has changed in that time.</p>
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Fixes #2597
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3412

-- Commit Summary --

  * Change 2 SHOULDs to MUSTs in transport to agree with recovery

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #2597.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="431224282" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2597" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2597/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2597">#2597</a></p>

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  <li>Change 2 SHOULDs to MUSTs in transport to agree with recovery</li>
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>From @gorryfair in #3214, this is not a nit:

>> Prior to validating the client address, servers MUST NOT send more
than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes they have
received.

> So, let me understand - does that include retransmissions? or is this constrain within the PTO or something?

I think that the intent was that the server limit its sending, including PTO.


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<p>From <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/gorryfair/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/gorryfair">@gorryfair</a> in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="521098384" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3214" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3214/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3214">#3214</a>, this is not a nit:</p>
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<p>Prior to validating the client address, servers MUST NOT send more<br>
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<p>So, let me understand - does that include retransmissions? or is this constrain within the PTO or something?</p>
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  Changed paths:
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  Change 2 SHOULDs to MUSTs in transport to agree with recovery

Fixes #2597


  Commit: ed17e109cad61e5afc72a1bb7583c8ff83acee36
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  Merge pull request #3412 from quicwg/ianswett-should-must

Change 2 SHOULDs to MUSTs in transport to agree with recovery


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I think the text is clear that sending PADDING is allowed at any time. I'm closing this with no action.

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<p>I think the text is clear that sending PADDING is allowed at any time. I'm closing this with no action.</p>

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ekr commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1527,8 +1527,10 @@ Where HTTP/2 employs PADDING frames and Padding fields in other frames to make a
 connection more resistant to traffic analysis, HTTP/3 can either rely on
 transport-layer padding or employ the reserved frame and stream types discussed
 in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
-different results in terms of the granularity of padding, the effect of packet
-loss and recovery, and how an implementation might control padding.
+different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
+arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
+padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
+control padding.

How about a citation to https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wood-pearg-website-fingerprinting/

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3411#discussion_r374757282">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1527,8 +1527,10 @@ Where HTTP/2 employs PADDING frames and Padding fields in other frames to make a
 connection more resistant to traffic analysis, HTTP/3 can either rely on
 transport-layer padding or employ the reserved frame and stream types discussed
 in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
-different results in terms of the granularity of padding, the effect of packet
-loss and recovery, and how an implementation might control padding.
+different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
+arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
+padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
+control padding.
</pre>
<p>How about a citation to <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wood-pearg-website-fingerprinting/" rel="nofollow">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wood-pearg-website-fingerprinting/</a></p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1814,10 +1814,13 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP

maybe it doesn't use that word, but that is what it says

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r374757399">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1814,10 +1814,13 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
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<p>maybe it doesn't use that word, but that is what it says</p>

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@martinthomson thinks cognitive load is increased by ITO and it's not that much shorter, so let's not do that.

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There have been changes to the relevant text, and this might be further helped by #3327. I'm closing this.

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<p>There have been changes to the relevant text, and this might be further helped by <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="546658449" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3327" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327">#3327</a>. I'm closing this.</p>

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@kazuho, you seem to have an idea of what to do here, can you maybe propose text?  I'm not sure if we need text, but I'd be happy to look at some.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-04 (Tue, 04 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix broken reference to recovery



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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1527,8 +1527,10 @@ Where HTTP/2 employs PADDING frames and Padding fields in other frames to make a
 connection more resistant to traffic analysis, HTTP/3 can either rely on
 transport-layer padding or employ the reserved frame and stream types discussed
 in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
-different results in terms of the granularity of padding, the effect of packet
-loss and recovery, and how an implementation might control padding.
+different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
+arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
+padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
+control padding.

That seems like a different problem.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3411#discussion_r374760612">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1527,8 +1527,10 @@ Where HTTP/2 employs PADDING frames and Padding fields in other frames to make a
 connection more resistant to traffic analysis, HTTP/3 can either rely on
 transport-layer padding or employ the reserved frame and stream types discussed
 in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
-different results in terms of the granularity of padding, the effect of packet
-loss and recovery, and how an implementation might control padding.
+different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
+arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
+padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
+control padding.
</pre>
<p>That seems like a different problem.</p>

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This guidance is in the document now: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-8.6

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> @@ -3136,12 +3136,10 @@ This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
 
 In order to assist loss detection at the sender, an endpoint SHOULD send an ACK
 frame immediately on receiving an ack-eliciting packet that is out of order. The

@martinthomson Not sure about "when an ack-eliciting packet arrives with a packet number that more than one greater than **any** previously received packet". If a delayed packet has been received, would not you want to notify the other endpoint ASAP, in case it did not retransmit the data, yet?

I'd think "out of order" means "_any packet with a packet number other than one greater then the largest previously received packet number_".  (Or, optimizing a bit, "_any ack-eliciting packet with a packet number other than one greater then the largest previously received packet number, or a non-ack-eliciting packet with a packet number more than one greater then the largest previously received packet number_".)

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<p><b>@igorlord</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3361#discussion_r374899742">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3136,12 +3136,10 @@ This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.
 
 In order to assist loss detection at the sender, an endpoint SHOULD send an ACK
 frame immediately on receiving an ack-eliciting packet that is out of order. The
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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> Not sure about "when an ack-eliciting packet arrives with a packet number that more than one greater than <strong>any</strong> previously received packet". If a delayed packet has been received, would not you want to notify the other endpoint ASAP, in case it did not retransmit the data, yet?</p>
<p>I'd think "out of order" means "<em>any packet with a packet number other than one greater then the largest previously received packet number</em>".  (Or, optimizing a bit, "<em>any ack-eliciting packet with a packet number other than one greater then the largest previously received packet number, or a non-ack-eliciting packet with a packet number more than one greater then the largest previously received packet number</em>".)</p>

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I think this statement should be normative. Not sure if this is a design issue or not.


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> @@ -410,8 +410,9 @@ time threshold MUST be set to at least kGranularity.  The time threshold is:
 max(kTimeThreshold * max(smoothed_rtt, latest_rtt), kGranularity)
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-If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet be declared
-lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time.
+When an ACK frame is received and unacknowledged packets sent prior to the

This is slightly less correct, because a loss detection timer could be set for one packet, and then it could be declared lost, and then when it is, the timer may be re-armed for the next packet to be declared lost.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3390#discussion_r374949504">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -410,8 +410,9 @@ time threshold MUST be set to at least kGranularity.  The time threshold is:
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-If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet be declared
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+When an ACK frame is received and unacknowledged packets sent prior to the
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<p>This is slightly less correct, because a loss detection timer could be set for one packet, and then it could be declared lost, and then when it is, the timer may be re-armed for the next packet to be declared lost.</p>

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ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

There are cases 1ms is too large a min granularity, so this is not a good change as is.



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<p><b>@ianswett</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>There are cases 1ms is too large a min granularity, so this is not a good change as is.</p>

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I believe this is an improvement, though I&#39;m unsure all the comments are included.  PTAL.

Fixes #3184 
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3414

-- Commit Summary --

  * Improve Idle Timeout text

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (33)

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<p>I believe this is an improvement, though I'm unsure all the comments are included.  PTAL.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3184.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="516747889" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3184" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3184/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3184">#3184</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Improve Idle Timeout text</li>
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> +other ack-eliciting frames to test for liveness before sending any data that
+cannot be retried safely.  Note that it is likely that only applications or
+application protocols will know what information can be retried.

I don't understand this "retried safely" concept. What is an example of something unsafe to be retried?

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<p><b>@nibanks</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3414#discussion_r374976274">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +other ack-eliciting frames to test for liveness before sending any data that
+cannot be retried safely.  Note that it is likely that only applications or
+application protocols will know what information can be retried.
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<p>I don't understand this "retried safely" concept. What is an example of something unsafe to be retried?</p>

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  Reset PTO and loss detection timer when discarding keys

Fixes #3272 

This doesn't add normative statements, but it could if people would like.



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Fixes #3272 

This doesn&#39;t add normative statements, but it could if people would like.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3415

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  * Reset PTO and loss detection timer when discarding keys

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (3)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3272.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="527547433" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3272" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3272/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3272">#3272</a></p>
<p>This doesn't add normative statements, but it could if people would like.</p>

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  <li>Reset PTO and loss detection timer when discarding keys</li>
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Whatever the language about outside padding, an endpoint must not discard the entire datagram, just because data after a long-header packet looks unparseable to it. It is possible that the client is trying a 0-RTT resumption with packet coalescing using a QUIC version/extension that is unknown to the server.  The right behavior is to process packets that are understood (which may result in version negotiation) and stop processing that datagram.

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<p>Whatever the language about outside padding, an endpoint must not discard the entire datagram, just because data after a long-header packet looks unparseable to it. It is possible that the client is trying a 0-RTT resumption with packet coalescing using a QUIC version/extension that is unknown to the server.  The right behavior is to process packets that are understood (which may result in version negotiation) and stop processing that datagram.</p>

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There are two routes that we can take:
1. Specify clearly what 'delay` refers to in the below statement, which is done in #3351
```
Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses. 
```
OR
2. Change MUST pace to SHOULD and remove the 10 MSS burst size limit and provide general recommendation if an implementation doesn't pace. Something like:
```
Implementations SHOULD either use pacing or use another mechanism 
(for example, limit congestion window increase as specified by RFC 3465)
to introduce delay between successive transmissions. Implementations
that don't pace are at risk of underutilizing the network.
```

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<p>There are two routes that we can take:</p>
<ol>
<li>Specify clearly what 'delay` refers to in the below statement, which is done in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="550442699" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3351" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3351/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3351">#3351</a></li>
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<pre><code>Sending multiple packets into the network without any delay between them
creates a packet burst that might cause short-term congestion and losses. 
</code></pre>
<p>OR<br>
2. Change MUST pace to SHOULD and remove the 10 MSS burst size limit and provide general recommendation if an implementation doesn't pace. Something like:</p>
<pre><code>Implementations SHOULD either use pacing or use another mechanism 
(for example, limit congestion window increase as specified by RFC 3465)
to introduce delay between successive transmissions. Implementations
that don't pace are at risk of underutilizing the network.
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Remove HTTP_ prefix



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This addresses the concerns that I expressed in issue #3395 
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  * Added a word of caution.

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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I'm sympathetic to saying MUST pace, and I like the formatlization that @martinthomson suggests. I've heard some pushback on saying MUST pace in the past, but it might be worth giving it a shot again. @erickinnear @tfpauly : What do you think?

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<p>I'm sympathetic to saying MUST pace, and I like the formatlization that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> suggests. I've heard some pushback on saying MUST pace in the past, but it might be worth giving it a shot again. <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/erickinnear/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/erickinnear">@erickinnear</a> <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/tfpauly/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/tfpauly">@tfpauly</a> : What do you think?</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4634,10 +4628,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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+| CID Length (8)|
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What's the rationale for reordering the contents of this TP payload in this PR?

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169#discussion_r375133230">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4634,10 +4628,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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<p>What's the rationale for reordering the contents of this TP payload in this PR?</p>

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I wouldn't characterize changes to make the design of the protocol self-consistent as gratuitous; this seems like it'll reduce implementation confusion. And changing this encoding in future versions seems like a good place for parser vulnerabilities to hide, so I'm in favor of making this change.

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<p>I wouldn't characterize changes to make the design of the protocol self-consistent as gratuitous; this seems like it'll reduce implementation confusion. And changing this encoding in future versions seems like a good place for parser vulnerabilities to hide, so I'm in favor of making this change.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to make this change and apply #3169.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to make this change and apply <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="514276296" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3169" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169">#3169</a>.</p>

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rpaulo commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4634,10 +4628,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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+| CID Length (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                      Connection ID (*)                      ...
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This came from https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2944 since they were both cosmetic.   

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169#discussion_r375140804">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4634,10 +4628,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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+| CID Length (8)|
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> @@ -4634,10 +4628,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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+| CID Length (8)|
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Based on feedback from the room, I've reverted that change.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169#discussion_r375143495">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4634,10 +4628,14 @@ preferred_address (0x000d):
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+| CID Length (8)|
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                      Connection ID (*)                      ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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Following feedback from the room, I've reverted the preferred_address part of this change, and as far as I know this is ready to merge once we confirm consensus on the list.

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Discussion of the preferred_address requires an issue, so whomever is a proponent for that please create one.

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> @@ -1530,7 +1530,8 @@ in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
 different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
 arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
 padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
-control padding.
+control padding. See {{I-D,draft-wood-pearg-website-fingerprinting}} for

```suggestion
control padding. See {{SITE-FP=I-D.draft-wood-pearg-website-fingerprinting}} for
```

> @@ -1530,7 +1530,8 @@ in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
 different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
 arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
 padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
-control padding.
+control padding. See {{I-D,draft-wood-pearg-website-fingerprinting}} for
+more information on the use of tradffic analysis for website fingerprinting.

```suggestion
more information on the use of traffic analysis for website fingerprinting.
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@LPardue the preferred_address change is discussed in issue #2944.

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -3700,7 +3700,9 @@ when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
 Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). This is safe
+because of the additional safeguards against loss of Handshake packets in

The reason Initial keys can be discarded is because the endpoint knows the peer has Handshake keys, so this new statement is confusing to me.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3416#discussion_r375148740">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3700,7 +3700,9 @@ when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
 Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). This is safe
+because of the additional safeguards against loss of Handshake packets in
</pre>
<p>The reason Initial keys can be discarded is because the endpoint knows the peer has Handshake keys, so this new statement is confusing to me.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to talk it over over lunch.

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This "unparseable PAD" looks like a "kindness of strangers" issue. An implementer may want to do that because it looks like it will save 3 CPU cycles somewhere, but that only works if all other implementation agree that it is a good idea. Experience shows that they don't. So just accept that this will just not work well.   

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<p>This "unparseable PAD" looks like a "kindness of strangers" issue. An implementer may want to do that because it looks like it will save 3 CPU cycles somewhere, but that only works if all other implementation agree that it is a good idea. Experience shows that they don't. So just accept that this will just not work well.</p>

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That said... I will note that @martinthomson 's formalization allows for a burst at the _end_ of an RTT. Consider for example when a single ACK is received that acknowledges an entire window. That would be legal by this definition. I think that's ok.

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<p>That said... I will note that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> 's formalization allows for a burst at the <em>end</em> of an RTT. Consider for example when a single ACK is received that acknowledges an entire window. That would be legal by this definition. I think that's ok.</p>

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"For the purposes of avoiding amplification prior to address validation, servers MUST count the bytes received in datagrams that are uniquely attributed to a connection.  This includes datagrams that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain discarded packets."

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@martinthomson "that are uniquely attributable to a connection" is vague and will differ by implementation (for example, one implementation will not even try to attribute a packet with an invalid "SCID Len" but another will).

How about: "... well-formed packets that are uniquely attributable to a connection" ?

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<p>How about: "... well-formed packets that are uniquely attributable to a connection" ?</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is @martinthomson's quoted comment above. 

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a>'s quoted comment above.</p>

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MT "packets that are discarded, including when those packets are the sole packets in the datagram"

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<p>MT "packets that are discarded, including when those packets are the sole packets in the datagram"</p>

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This is just about this one paragraph:

> To reduce the chances of misinterpreting congestive loss as packets dropped by a faulty network element, an endpoint could set the ECT(0) codepoint in the first ten outgoing packets on a path, or for a period of three RTTs, whichever occurs first.

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<p>To reduce the chances of misinterpreting congestive loss as packets dropped by a faulty network element, an endpoint could set the ECT(0) codepoint in the first ten outgoing packets on a path, or for a period of three RTTs, whichever occurs first.</p>
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The [Interop Matrix](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D0tW89vOoaScs3IY9RGC0UesWGAwE6xyLk0l4JtvTVg/edit#gid=1303503263) shows that out of 14 implementations doing active tests, only 3 demonstrate ECN support. No ill will, but major places like AWS or the Windows OS do not support ECN, so it is not clear what more text in the spec would change.

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action.

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To me it seems that there is confusion regarding what "retire" means.

I'd argue that when receiving a NCID frame carrying a retirement request, the receiver can promptly stop using CIDs that are to be retired, and stop recognizing the Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with the CIDs being retired. At the same time, it could well be the case that the receiver might not be able to send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames at that point (due to CWND being restricted, etc.).

Considering this, I think what we should do is be clear about the distinction. To be precise we can change the following existing text:
> Upon receipt, the peer MUST first retire the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs. Failure to retire the connection IDs within approximately one PTO can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.

to:
> Upon receipt, the peer MUST promptly stop using the corresponding connection IDs and stop recognizing Stateless Reset Tokens associated with those connection IDs. Failure to doing so within approximately one PTO can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly. After stopping use of those connection IDs and Stateless Reset Tokens, the receiver MUST send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames to indicate the peer that those have been retired.

We can also change the 1PTO and 3PTO requirement, but I do not see a reason.

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<p>To me it seems that there is confusion regarding what "retire" means.</p>
<p>I'd argue that when receiving a NCID frame carrying a retirement request, the receiver can promptly stop using CIDs that are to be retired, and stop recognizing the Stateless Reset Tokens that are associated with the CIDs being retired. At the same time, it could well be the case that the receiver might not be able to send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames at that point (due to CWND being restricted, etc.).</p>
<p>Considering this, I think what we should do is be clear about the distinction. To be precise we can change the following existing text:</p>
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<p>Upon receipt, the peer MUST first retire the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs. Failure to retire the connection IDs within approximately one PTO can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.</p>
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<p>to:</p>
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<p>Upon receipt, the peer MUST promptly stop using the corresponding connection IDs and stop recognizing Stateless Reset Tokens associated with those connection IDs. Failure to doing so within approximately one PTO can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly. After stopping use of those connection IDs and Stateless Reset Tokens, the receiver MUST send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames to indicate the peer that those have been retired.</p>
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<p>We can also change the 1PTO and 3PTO requirement, but I do not see a reason.</p>

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I assume you mean ordering by TP number. I don't like that, because applications typically refer to parameters by name, not by number. For example, a plausible implementation is to have a structure holding parameters in some logical order, and code that goes through that structure and encode the parameters with only symbolic references to their TP number. Adding a sort makes the code much more complicated.

As for fingerprinting, I am not sure you can beat it with just reordering. Reordering drops the space from N! to N^2, that's better but not sufficient. The "sufficient" answer would be to create "anonymity sets", i.e. a small set of combined "profiles" specifying values or absence for all TP. 

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<p>I assume you mean ordering by TP number. I don't like that, because applications typically refer to parameters by name, not by number. For example, a plausible implementation is to have a structure holding parameters in some logical order, and code that goes through that structure and encode the parameters with only symbolic references to their TP number. Adding a sort makes the code much more complicated.</p>
<p>As for fingerprinting, I am not sure you can beat it with just reordering. Reordering drops the space from N! to N^2, that's better but not sufficient. The "sufficient" answer would be to create "anonymity sets", i.e. a small set of combined "profiles" specifying values or absence for all TP.</p>

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I will make a proposal for an editorial PR for the paragraph mention above to make it sounds less scary that this risk exists.

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<p>I will make a proposal for an editorial PR for the paragraph mention above to make it sounds less scary that this risk exists.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action.

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My +1 goes to the proposal.

Enforcing the sender to send TPs in ascending order of TP IDs is much easier than trying to detect duplicates when TPs can arrive in any order.

Now that we've agreed to depart from TLS-based design, my preference is to fix this unnecessary complexity on the receiver side at the same time.

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<p>My +1 goes to the proposal.</p>
<p>Enforcing the sender to send TPs in ascending order of TP IDs is much easier than trying to detect duplicates when TPs can arrive in any order.</p>
<p>Now that we've agreed to depart from TLS-based design, my preference is to fix this unnecessary complexity on the receiver side at the same time.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action.

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Let's keep it simple: no migration before Handshake Done, period.
That would include prohibit NCID in 0-RTT


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<p>Let's keep it simple: no migration before Handshake Done, period.<br>
That would include prohibit NCID in 0-RTT</p>

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ekr commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1527,8 +1527,10 @@ Where HTTP/2 employs PADDING frames and Padding fields in other frames to make a
 connection more resistant to traffic analysis, HTTP/3 can either rely on
 transport-layer padding or employ the reserved frame and stream types discussed
 in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
-different results in terms of the granularity of padding, the effect of packet
-loss and recovery, and how an implementation might control padding.
+different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
+arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
+padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
+control padding.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3411#discussion_r375207515">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1527,8 +1527,10 @@ Where HTTP/2 employs PADDING frames and Padding fields in other frames to make a
 connection more resistant to traffic analysis, HTTP/3 can either rely on
 transport-layer padding or employ the reserved frame and stream types discussed
 in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
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-loss and recovery, and how an implementation might control padding.
+different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
+arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether
+padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might
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Should this be reopened now that everybody is rewriting their transport parameter code anyway (#3169)?

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<p>Should this be reopened now that everybody is rewriting their transport parameter code anyway (<a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="514276296" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3169" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169">#3169</a>)?</p>

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@huitema The problem is not that simple.

Consider the case where the server receives ClientFinished and sends two 1-RTT packets, the first packet containing HANDSHAKE_DONE, and the second packet containing an NCID with RPT set to 1.

If the first 1-RTT packet gets lost, the client receives a request to retire the connection ID before *it* confirms the handshake.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/huitema/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/huitema">@huitema</a> The problem is not that simple.</p>
<p>Consider the case where the server receives ClientFinished and sends two 1-RTT packets, the first packet containing HANDSHAKE_DONE, and the second packet containing an NCID with RPT set to 1.</p>
<p>If the first 1-RTT packet gets lost, the client receives a request to retire the connection ID before <em>it</em> confirms the handshake.</p>

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Requiring RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID has lead to all sorts of corner cases.  For instance, a server can force a client to retire the connection ID that is still in use for the handshake.  (We're uncertain yet as to whether the newly provided connection ID usable here, so this only *might* cause genuine problems.)

More to the point, this design assumes things about the nature of connection IDs and routing infrastructure that imply a coupling between path and endpoint state.  The reason you might want to retire a connection ID forcibly in this fashion is that it is no longer usable for routing purposes (or that it results in suboptimal routing, perhaps where packets need to be bounced between nodes in a cluster).

All of this implies that the address tuple is part of the routing assessment.  That makes this feature fragile and it also creates some uncertainty about whether it is possible to build such a system without having a stateless reset oracle.

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<p>Requiring RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID has lead to all sorts of corner cases.  For instance, a server can force a client to retire the connection ID that is still in use for the handshake.  (We're uncertain yet as to whether the newly provided connection ID usable here, so this only <em>might</em> cause genuine problems.)</p>
<p>More to the point, this design assumes things about the nature of connection IDs and routing infrastructure that imply a coupling between path and endpoint state.  The reason you might want to retire a connection ID forcibly in this fashion is that it is no longer usable for routing purposes (or that it results in suboptimal routing, perhaps where packets need to be bounced between nodes in a cluster).</p>
<p>All of this implies that the address tuple is part of the routing assessment.  That makes this feature fragile and it also creates some uncertainty about whether it is possible to build such a system without having a stateless reset oracle.</p>

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Fixes #3419.

The SHOULD is guidance for future extensions; if we&#39;d like to downgrade that to non-normative, that&#39;s also fine.
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  * Extension dragons

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3419.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560302416" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3419" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3419/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3419">#3419</a>.</p>
<p>The SHOULD is guidance for future extensions; if we'd like to downgrade that to non-normative, that's also fine.</p>

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Thanks for doing this David.  I can't see any problem with this, but we have to wait the full consensus call cycle before it lands.



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<p>Thanks for doing this David.  I can't see any problem with this, but we have to wait the full consensus call cycle before it lands.</p>

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Just to clarify, my understanding of the problem here isn't `RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID` itself, but rather that an issuer of a CID can send `RetirePriorTo` to require that the consumer MUST retire the CID immediately?

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<p>Just to clarify, my understanding of the problem here isn't <code>RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID</code> itself, but rather that an issuer of a CID can send <code>RetirePriorTo</code> to require that the consumer MUST retire the CID immediately?</p>

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The corresponding mechanism in BBR uses a 10 seconds interval. Quite different from the 600 seconds mentioned above.

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I think I'd prefer a design that meets the two requirements stated below:
* A server should not be required to withhold NCID frames until it receives an ACK for HANDSHAKE_DONE.
* A client should be allowed to use the original CID until the handshake is confirmed.

The intention is to minimize additional complexity to existing (and future) QUIC stacks.

One solution that meets these requirements is to state that a NCID frame confirms the handshake, exactly the same way as HANDSHAKE_DONE frame does. That would be a trivial change to any of the QUIC stacks, and there would be no ambiguity regarding the state changes.

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<p>I think I'd prefer a design that meets the two requirements stated below:</p>
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<li>A server should not be required to withhold NCID frames until it receives an ACK for HANDSHAKE_DONE.</li>
<li>A client should be allowed to use the original CID until the handshake is confirmed.</li>
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<p>The intention is to minimize additional complexity to existing (and future) QUIC stacks.</p>
<p>One solution that meets these requirements is to state that a NCID frame confirms the handshake, exactly the same way as HANDSHAKE_DONE frame does. That would be a trivial change to any of the QUIC stacks, and there would be no ambiguity regarding the state changes.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action. Possible new Editorial PR to explain that `min_rtt` is only used to provide a safety feature and having a potentially stale value is therefore not terrible.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action. Possible new Editorial PR to explain that <code>min_rtt</code> is only used to provide a safety feature and having a potentially stale value is therefore not terrible.</p>

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LPardue commented on this pull request.



> @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
 with the one transport parameter.
 
+Extensions that modify or replace core protocol functionality (including frame

do we want to be specific about **this** version?

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3421#discussion_r375239560">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
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<p>do we want to be specific about <strong>this</strong> version?</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action. In addition, potential new Editorial issue to clean up existing text. Discussion on removing Retire-Prior-To is in #3420.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action. In addition, potential new Editorial issue to clean up existing text. Discussion on removing Retire-Prior-To is in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560321272" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3420" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3420/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3420">#3420</a>.</p>

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> Upon receipt, the peer MUST first retire the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.

It is not obvious from this, but the intent here is to allow NEW_CONNECTION_ID to exceed the limit from active_connection_id_limit.

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<p>It is not obvious from this, but the intent here is to allow NEW_CONNECTION_ID to exceed the limit from active_connection_id_limit.</p>

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@martinthomson 
> More to the point, this design assumes things about the nature of connection IDs and routing infrastructure that imply a coupling between path and endpoint state.

I'm not sure if I follow what you state here.

Much like a TLS server having a master key that encrypts TLS session tickets, a server might have a master key that is used for encrypting all the CIDs, and it rotates that key periodically. In such a design (which I'd assume to be pretty normal), there is nothing related to paths.

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<p>I'm not sure if I follow what you state here.</p>
<p>Much like a TLS server having a master key that encrypts TLS session tickets, a server might have a master key that is used for encrypting all the CIDs, and it rotates that key periodically. In such a design (which I'd assume to be pretty normal), there is nothing related to paths.</p>

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MsQuic also uses CIDs and RetirePriorTo to encode "on machine" routing information, such as per-CPU partitioning. When we rebalance load across these partitions, we generate new CIDs to match.

I also don't quite understand the point of this issue. If the problem is just that we don't want CIDs to change before a certain time, I'm fine with adding some extra restrictions on that. But I'm very strongly against removing this feature (assuming that's the goal of this issue).

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<p>MsQuic also uses CIDs and RetirePriorTo to encode "on machine" routing information, such as per-CPU partitioning. When we rebalance load across these partitions, we generate new CIDs to match.</p>
<p>I also don't quite understand the point of this issue. If the problem is just that we don't want CIDs to change before a certain time, I'm fine with adding some extra restrictions on that. But I'm very strongly against removing this feature (assuming that's the goal of this issue).</p>

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This isn't about being bound to addresses, though.  It's about anything in the server infrastructure changing.  That could be rotation of the keys used to encrypt a structure to produce packet IDs.  I think there's a separate discussion about whether CIDs can be bound to server IPs for preferred addresses, but that's covered by #3354 already.

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<p>This isn't about being bound to addresses, though.  It's about anything in the server infrastructure changing.  That could be rotation of the keys used to encrypt a structure to produce packet IDs.  I think there's a separate discussion about whether CIDs can be bound to server IPs for preferred addresses, but that's covered by <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="551168076" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3354" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354">#3354</a> already.</p>

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I'm going to merge this.

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<p>I'm going to merge this.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to clarify that issuing a CID means being prepared to seeing it used at any time. Additional Editorial issue on packetization issues.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to clarify that issuing a CID means being prepared to seeing it used at any time. Additional Editorial issue on packetization issues.</p>

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@kazuho:  The reason for "first retire... and then...." is to enable working within the CID limit.  If you're at the limit already, the server can ask you to retire everything and give you a new one.  That does mean there are "limit + 1" CIDs outstanding at that time.  Looks like Martin has opened #3422 to make this clearer.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-retransmit-frames-is-hard
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  Changed paths:
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  Point out that the payload size could decrease

And this could make retransmitting frames complex.



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And this could make retransmitting frames complex.
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  * Point out that the payload size could decrease

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8)

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<p>And this could make retransmitting frames complex.</p>

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It looks like this isn't going anywhere, but I want to record that this PR will result in a deadlock. If all the client's handshake packets are lost, it will already have discarded the Initial Keys and it therefore can't process an Initial PING. The server needs to send a Handshake PING as well.

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<p>It looks like this isn't going anywhere, but I want to record that this PR will result in a deadlock. If all the client's handshake packets are lost, it will already have discarded the Initial Keys and it therefore can't process an Initial PING. The server needs to send a Handshake PING as well.</p>

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The alternative would be to add it to the list of things to remember, but yes, we should fix it.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-retransmit-frames-is-hard
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  Changed paths:
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14837e6e26ee52b4e222d8614878601bec97b1fd  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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I realized there is one major benefit of keeping the existing design, which is the client is guaranteed to have at least one RTT measurement in this circumstance, whereas the server may not.

For this reason, I'm inclined to close this with no action unless others feel strongly otherwise.

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<p>I realized there is one major benefit of keeping the existing design, which is the client is guaranteed to have at least one RTT measurement in this circumstance, whereas the server may not.</p>
<p>For this reason, I'm inclined to close this with no action unless others feel strongly otherwise.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is in #3145, which should include corresponding updates to the pseudocode.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="511685541" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3145" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145">#3145</a>, which should include corresponding updates to the pseudocode.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Waiting for HTTP changes to materialize.



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> @@ -3374,9 +3374,11 @@ priorities specified by the application indicate otherwise (see
 
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+copies of frames from lost packets.  A sender which retransmits copies of frames
+must deal with decreases in available payload size due to change in packet
+number length, connection ID length, and Path MTU.  A receiver MUST accept

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> @@ -552,10 +569,18 @@ an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT
 method is used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote
 host for similar purposes.
 
-A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The
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-{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2.

I think it would be simpler for a reader to assume everything functions in the same manner as HTTP/2, and only note when it doesn't.  Likewise, this document defines HTTP/3, so no need to repeat that either. IOW, an editorial suggestion I would go with:

  `A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:`

just to make it much easier to read.

Actually, I would begin the paragraph with a one-line description of the method from http-core Semantics, with a normative reference, like

`The CONNECT method requests that the recipient establish a tunnel to the destination origin server identified by the request-target (Section X.x of [ref:Semantics]).  A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:`


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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r375300826">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -552,10 +569,18 @@ an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT
 method is used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote
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-request MUST be formatted as described in Section 8.3 of {{!HTTP2}}. A CONNECT
-request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
-{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2.
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<p>I think it would be simpler for a reader to assume everything functions in the same manner as HTTP/2, and only note when it doesn't.  Likewise, this document defines HTTP/3, so no need to repeat that either. IOW, an editorial suggestion I would go with:</p>
<p><code>A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:</code></p>
<p>just to make it much easier to read.</p>
<p>Actually, I would begin the paragraph with a one-line description of the method from http-core Semantics, with a normative reference, like</p>
<p><code>The CONNECT method requests that the recipient establish a tunnel to the destination origin server identified by the request-target (Section X.x of [ref:Semantics]).  A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:</code></p>

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royfielding commented on this pull request.



> @@ -598,11 +623,11 @@ HTTP/3 does not support the HTTP Upgrade mechanism (Section 6.7 of [RFC7230]) or
 
 ## Server Push
 
-Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}} which permits
+Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}} which permits

Likewise, 

`Server push is an interaction mode that allows a server to push ...`

the history is not important (and also described at the end of para).

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<p><b>@royfielding</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r375303062">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -598,11 +623,11 @@ HTTP/3 does not support the HTTP Upgrade mechanism (Section 6.7 of [RFC7230]) or
 
 ## Server Push
 
-Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}} which permits
+Server push is an interaction mode introduced in HTTP/2 {{?HTTP2}} which permits
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<p>Likewise,</p>
<p><code>Server push is an interaction mode that allows a server to push ...</code></p>
<p>the history is not important (and also described at the end of para).</p>

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Repeating what I said earlier: it's not clear to me that not being able to arm the PTO timer when at the limit implies that PTO packets count against the amplification limit. The reason is that you could have *already* armed the PTO timer at the time you hit the limit. E.g., you might be streaming 0.5RTT and so send Initial, Handshake, arm timer, <wait> 0.5RTT.



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<p>Repeating what I said earlier: it's not clear to me that not being able to arm the PTO timer when at the limit implies that PTO packets count against the amplification limit. The reason is that you could have <em>already</em> armed the PTO timer at the time you hit the limit. E.g., you might be streaming 0.5RTT and so send Initial, Handshake, arm timer,  0.5RTT.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/remember-acil
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2a80a79c162a0a718262f974464fccb74a76636
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-05 (Wed, 05 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remember active_connection_id_limit for 0-RTT

Simple.  It appears as though I missed this when @marten-seeman added
this transport parameter.  We shouldn't make more exceptions for 0-RTT.

Closes #3423.



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LPardue commented on this pull request.



>  Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not "https," the client
 MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme.  If the client intends
 to make requests for an origin whose scheme is "http", this means that it MUST
 obtain a valid `http-opportunistic` response for the origin as described in
 {{!RFC8164}} prior to making any such requests.  Other schemes might define
 other mechanisms.
 
+Servers are encouraged to maintain open connections for as long as possible but
+are permitted to terminate idle connections if necessary.  When either endpoint
+chooses to close the QUIC connection, the terminating endpoint SHOULD first send
+a GOAWAY frame ({{connection-shutdown}}) so that both endpoints can reliably
+determine whether previously sent frames have been processed and gracefully
+complete or terminate any necessary remaining tasks.

The text here requires both endpoints can send GOAWAY, which I think means a dependency on https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r375308063">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not &quot;https,&quot; the client
 MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme.  If the client intends
 to make requests for an origin whose scheme is &quot;http&quot;, this means that it MUST
 obtain a valid `http-opportunistic` response for the origin as described in
 {{!RFC8164}} prior to making any such requests.  Other schemes might define
 other mechanisms.
 
+Servers are encouraged to maintain open connections for as long as possible but
+are permitted to terminate idle connections if necessary.  When either endpoint
+chooses to close the QUIC connection, the terminating endpoint SHOULD first send
+a GOAWAY frame ({{connection-shutdown}}) so that both endpoints can reliably
+determine whether previously sent frames have been processed and gracefully
+complete or terminate any necessary remaining tasks.
</pre>
<p>The text here requires both endpoints can send GOAWAY, which I think means a dependency on <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="510763179" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3129" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129">#3129</a></p>

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Simple.  It appears as though I missed this when @marten-seeman added
this transport parameter.  We shouldn&#39;t make more exceptions for 0-RTT.

Closes #3423.
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  * Remember active_connection_id_limit for 0-RTT

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8)

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<p>Simple.  It appears as though I missed this when @marten-seeman added<br>
this transport parameter.  We shouldn't make more exceptions for 0-RTT.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3423.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560369661" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3423" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3423/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3423">#3423</a>.</p>

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  <li>Remember active_connection_id_limit for 0-RTT</li>
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> @@ -659,6 +704,15 @@ CANCEL_PUSH frame, the client can abort reading the stream with an error code of
 H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED. This asks the server not to transfer additional data and
 indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt.
 
+Pushed responses that are cacheable (see Section 3 of {{!RFC7234}}) can be

This is okay for now, but it should be improved eventually to talk about browser state separately from the cache. IOW, define push as part of the browser history (prehistory) because this is entirely separate from a cache (even if they use the same storage handles).

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<p><b>@royfielding</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r375308615">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -659,6 +704,15 @@ CANCEL_PUSH frame, the client can abort reading the stream with an error code of
 H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED. This asks the server not to transfer additional data and
 indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt.
 
+Pushed responses that are cacheable (see Section 3 of {{!RFC7234}}) can be
</pre>
<p>This is okay for now, but it should be improved eventually to talk about browser state separately from the cache. IOW, define push as part of the browser history (prehistory) because this is entirely separate from a cache (even if they use the same storage handles).</p>

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Post-discussion and having re-read, I believe the current text covers this for NEW_CONNECTION_ID:

- The client has already issued one CID during the handshake, which might be zero-length
- Sending NEW_CONNECTION_ID is forbidden if you are using zero-length CIDs; receipt of one is a protocol violation
- The default value of `active_connection_id` applies until the server's value is received, which is two if the client is using non-zero-length CIDs
- Exceeding the limit is a protocol violation

It also covers it for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID:
- The client has exactly one CID for the server during 0-RTT
- It is a protocol violation for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID to retire the CID used by the containing packet

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<p>Post-discussion and having re-read, I believe the current text covers this for NEW_CONNECTION_ID:</p>
<ul>
<li>The client has already issued one CID during the handshake, which might be zero-length</li>
<li>Sending NEW_CONNECTION_ID is forbidden if you are using zero-length CIDs; receipt of one is a protocol violation</li>
<li>The default value of <code>active_connection_id</code> applies until the server's value is received, which is two if the client is using non-zero-length CIDs</li>
<li>Exceeding the limit is a protocol violation</li>
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<p>It also covers it for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID:</p>
<ul>
<li>The client has exactly one CID for the server during 0-RTT</li>
<li>It is a protocol violation for RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID to retire the CID used by the containing packet</li>
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huitema commented on this pull request.



> @@ -3700,7 +3700,9 @@ when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
 Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). This is safe
+because of the additional safeguards against loss of Handshake packets in

The peer having Handshake keys is not sufficient. The peer also needs to ensure that packets are repeated.


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<p><b>@huitema</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3416#discussion_r375309655">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3700,7 +3700,9 @@ when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
 Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). This is safe
+because of the additional safeguards against loss of Handshake packets in
</pre>
<p>The peer having Handshake keys is not sufficient. The peer also needs to ensure that packets are repeated.</p>

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LPardue commented on this pull request.



> @@ -552,10 +569,18 @@ an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT
 method is used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote
 host for similar purposes.
 
-A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The
-request MUST be formatted as described in Section 8.3 of {{!HTTP2}}. A CONNECT
-request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
-{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2.
+The request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The ":method" pseudo-header field is set to "CONNECT"
+- The ":scheme" and ":path" pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The ":authority" pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+- The request stream is not closed at the end of the request

IIUC this PR has a change in normative text from "MUST NOT be closed" to "is not closed". The issue that this PR addresses  is marked editorial.

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r375310605">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -552,10 +569,18 @@ an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT
 method is used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote
 host for similar purposes.
 
-A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The
-request MUST be formatted as described in Section 8.3 of {{!HTTP2}}. A CONNECT
-request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
-{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2.
+The request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The &quot;:method&quot; pseudo-header field is set to &quot;CONNECT&quot;
+- The &quot;:scheme&quot; and &quot;:path&quot; pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The &quot;:authority&quot; pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+- The request stream is not closed at the end of the request
</pre>
<p>IIUC this PR has a change in normative text from "MUST NOT be closed" to "is not closed". The issue that this PR addresses  is marked editorial.</p>

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LPardue commented on this pull request.



> @@ -552,10 +569,18 @@ an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT
 method is used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote
 host for similar purposes.
 
-A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The
-request MUST be formatted as described in Section 8.3 of {{!HTTP2}}. A CONNECT
-request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
-{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2.
+The request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The ":method" pseudo-header field is set to "CONNECT"
+- The ":scheme" and ":path" pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The ":authority" pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+- The request stream is not closed at the end of the request

Perhaps the "MUST be constructed" is intended to maintain the intent of the previous text. I don't think it achieves that because the stream lifetime is independent from the message.

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r375312125">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -552,10 +569,18 @@ an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT
 method is used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote
 host for similar purposes.
 
-A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The
-request MUST be formatted as described in Section 8.3 of {{!HTTP2}}. A CONNECT
-request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
-{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/3 functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2.
+The request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The &quot;:method&quot; pseudo-header field is set to &quot;CONNECT&quot;
+- The &quot;:scheme&quot; and &quot;:path&quot; pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The &quot;:authority&quot; pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+- The request stream is not closed at the end of the request
</pre>
<p>Perhaps the "MUST be constructed" is intended to maintain the intent of the previous text. I don't think it achieves that because the stream lifetime is independent from the message.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-retransmit-frames-is-hard
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7d0e132f8bc9faee4563cad25fbb198c2cc85508  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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Editorial PR on packetization challenges with retransmitted frames is #3424.

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<p>Editorial PR on packetization challenges with retransmitted frames is <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560379550" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3424" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3424/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3424">#3424</a>.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to prepare a PR that clarifies the consequences for both sides on what happens when an endpoint sends a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame, and for the receiver for what it means if it doesn't retire. Also, remove PTO from text related to retirement.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to prepare a PR that clarifies the consequences for both sides on what happens when an endpoint sends a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame, and for the receiver for what it means if it doesn't retire. Also, remove PTO from text related to retirement.</p>

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  * Clarify zero-length CIDs and active_connection_id_limit TP

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Clarify zero-length CIDs and active_connection_id_limit TP</li>
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The current language defining the active_connection_id_limit transport parameter refers to "a zero-length connection ID is being used". It's unclear whether the zero-length CID is the CID of the sender of the TP or the receiver of the TP. Since this TP limits how many CIDs the peer can send, the references to using a zero-length CID only make sense if it's the peer using a zero-length CID, but it would be useful to clean up that language.

I've created PR #3426 to clarify this language, including that checking whether the peer is using a zero-length CID can only be done by the server.

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<p>The current language defining the active_connection_id_limit transport parameter refers to "a zero-length connection ID is being used". It's unclear whether the zero-length CID is the CID of the sender of the TP or the receiver of the TP. Since this TP limits how many CIDs the peer can send, the references to using a zero-length CID only make sense if it's the peer using a zero-length CID, but it would be useful to clean up that language.</p>
<p>I've created PR <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560461896" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3426" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426">#3426</a> to clarify this language, including that checking whether the peer is using a zero-length CID can only be done by the server.</p>

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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I think that I have larger concerns than this addresses. The special case for the server only highlighted that.   

>    active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  When the client
+  is using a zero-length connection ID, the server MUST NOT send the
+  active_connection_id_limit parameter.

I would say here that the server MAY omit the parameter.  Sending a fixed set of transport parameters is a good practice. 

> @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
+  Unless the peer is using a zero-length connection ID, the value of the

I would instead prefer to say that the value is assumed to be zero if the peer requests that a zero length CID be used.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>I think that I have larger concerns than this addresses. The special case for the server only highlighted that.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375371794">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;    active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  When the client
+  is using a zero-length connection ID, the server MUST NOT send the
+  active_connection_id_limit parameter.
</pre>
<p>I would say here that the server MAY omit the parameter.  Sending a fixed set of transport parameters is a good practice.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375372491">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
+  Unless the peer is using a zero-length connection ID, the value of the
</pre>
<p>I would instead prefer to say that the value is assumed to be zero if the peer requests that a zero length CID be used.</p>

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@janaiyengar I think requiring pacing makes good sense, with some formalization of what that means.

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -3700,7 +3700,9 @@ when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
 Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). This is safe
+because of the additional safeguards against loss of Handshake packets in

The packets need to be repeated to avoid deadlock and to ensure the handshake completes, but not in order to be sure that the CRYPTO data sent in Initial has arrived.

I suspect I'm missing something here?

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3416#discussion_r375413847">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3700,7 +3700,9 @@ when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
 Section 4.10 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
+control state (see Sections 5.3.1.2 and 6.9 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). This is safe
+because of the additional safeguards against loss of Handshake packets in
</pre>
<p>The packets need to be repeated to avoid deadlock and to ensure the handshake completes, but not in order to be sure that the CRYPTO data sent in Initial has arrived.</p>
<p>I suspect I'm missing something here?</p>

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  Changed paths:
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I think the thought was that if you want microsecond resolution, the ack-frequency draft is what you should implement, since it can be sent after an RTT measurement of the path has been made.

But I'd be happy to discuss this tomorrow when we discuss ack-frequency.

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<p>I think the thought was that if you want microsecond resolution, the ack-frequency draft is what you should implement, since it can be sent after an RTT measurement of the path has been made.</p>
<p>But I'd be happy to discuss this tomorrow when we discuss ack-frequency.</p>

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So the interesting case is when 0-RTT is accepted, but address validation is not?  And therefore, the server can process 0-RTT packets but cannot send much in response?

If so, I hadn't considered that, but I could document that case in recovery if it's helpful?

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<p>So the interesting case is when 0-RTT is accepted, but address validation is not?  And therefore, the server can process 0-RTT packets but cannot send much in response?</p>
<p>If so, I hadn't considered that, but I could document that case in recovery if it's helpful?</p>

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I'm happy to merge this as is, but I'll give it 24hrs in case others have comments.

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> @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
 with the one transport parameter.
 
+Extensions that modify or replace core protocol functionality (including frame

We don't yet know about the portability of extensions across versions.  I'm kind of inclined to just leave that topic for future-us.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3421#discussion_r375509181">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
 with the one transport parameter.
 
+Extensions that modify or replace core protocol functionality (including frame
</pre>
<p>We don't yet know about the portability of extensions across versions.  I'm kind of inclined to just leave that topic for future-us.</p>

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> @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
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+1, this document only discusses this version. Any other version is future work

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3421#discussion_r375510330">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
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+Extensions that modify or replace core protocol functionality (including frame
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Over supper, @marten-seemann wanted to know _why_ a client would include a new connection ID in its 0-RTT packets.  The answer is that the client's handshake CID has no associated SRT.  If the client wants the ability to send stateless resets, it might very well put NCID(N=1, RPT=1) in its 0-RTT flight.  The server will retire the handshake connection ID in 0.5-RTT and begin using the CID with an associated token.

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<p>Over supper, <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/marten-seemann/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/marten-seemann">@marten-seemann</a> wanted to know <em>why</em> a client would include a new connection ID in its 0-RTT packets.  The answer is that the client's handshake CID has no associated SRT.  If the client wants the ability to send stateless resets, it might very well put NCID(N=1, RPT=1) in its 0-RTT flight.  The server will retire the handshake connection ID in 0.5-RTT and begin using the CID with an associated token.</p>

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> @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
 with the one transport parameter.
 
+Extensions that modify or replace core protocol functionality (including frame

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3421#discussion_r375537429">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5710,6 +5710,12 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
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Draft 25 section 5.3 says:

> An HTTP/3 implementation can immediately close the QUIC connection at
   any time.  This results in sending a QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to
   the peer; the error code in this frame indicates to the peer why the
   connection is being closed.

This doesn't specifically tie down H3-initiated closure to only use the application variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (0x1d). This gets a bit strange when combined with later guidance to use H3 error codes or treat unknown error codes as `H3_NO_ERROR`

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<p>Draft 25 section 5.3 says:</p>
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<p>An HTTP/3 implementation can immediately close the QUIC connection at<br>
any time.  This results in sending a QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to<br>
the peer; the error code in this frame indicates to the peer why the<br>
connection is being closed.</p>
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<p>This doesn't specifically tie down H3-initiated closure to only use the application variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (0x1d). This gets a bit strange when combined with later guidance to use H3 error codes or treat unknown error codes as <code>H3_NO_ERROR</code></p>

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nharper commented on this pull request.



>    active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  When the client
+  is using a zero-length connection ID, the server MUST NOT send the
+  active_connection_id_limit parameter.

I was trying to keep this an editorial PR - saying that the server MAY omit the parameter changes normative language, which I thought would make it design.

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<p><b>@nharper</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375698120">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;    active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  When the client
+  is using a zero-length connection ID, the server MUST NOT send the
+  active_connection_id_limit parameter.
</pre>
<p>I was trying to keep this an editorial PR - saying that the server MAY omit the parameter changes normative language, which I thought would make it design.</p>

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The summary of our discussion over dinner last night is that there are various mechanisms a server could employ, but they all depend on one key point:  Both endpoints are under joint control, because they're cooperating to handle the connection.  Therefore, it's possible to generate a CID that each endpoint will be able to work with.  (There are various approaches to generating such a CID, which are implementation-specific; one or more approaches might be described in the QUIC-LB draft.)

That means we don't need to separate CIDs by endpoint; if the migration is successful, the server could choose to issue CIDs that aren't valid on the handshake endpoint, which is now out of the picture.

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<p>The summary of our discussion over dinner last night is that there are various mechanisms a server could employ, but they all depend on one key point:  Both endpoints are under joint control, because they're cooperating to handle the connection.  Therefore, it's possible to generate a CID that each endpoint will be able to work with.  (There are various approaches to generating such a CID, which are implementation-specific; one or more approaches might be described in the QUIC-LB draft.)</p>
<p>That means we don't need to separate CIDs by endpoint; if the migration is successful, the server could choose to issue CIDs that aren't valid on the handshake endpoint, which is now out of the picture.</p>

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Seems like a great task for V2: define a policy for handling CID. Or we could try do that in V1 and ship in 2021.

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<p>Seems like a great task for V2: define a policy for handling CID. Or we could try do that in V1 and ship in 2021.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action. New Editorial issue to be opened to explain the intended use of `preferred_address` and the CID it contains. 

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is to close with no action. New Editorial issue to be opened to explain the intended use of <code>preferred_address</code> and the CID it contains.</p>

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An important point to capture here is that the server is responsible for ensuring that the connection IDs are not bound to one or other address at this stage (if migration is successful, later ones might be).  Thus, the connection ID in the transport parameter is no different to any other connection ID; it only exists here because using the new address is unusable without more connection IDs being available.

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<p>An important point to capture here is that the server is responsible for ensuring that the connection IDs are not bound to one or other address at this stage (if migration is successful, later ones might be).  Thus, the connection ID in the transport parameter is no different to any other connection ID; it only exists here because using the new address is unusable without more connection IDs being available.</p>

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In the description of active_connection_id_limit, we require that the server make the value of the transport parameter conditional on the choice of connection ID from the client.

In the past, we have had the principle that either endpoint not condition its choice of transport parameter values based on anything from its peer.  We should maintain this principle throughout.

This means changing the definition of active_connection_id_limit;  @larseggert had a sense that there was another.

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<p>In the description of active_connection_id_limit, we require that the server make the value of the transport parameter conditional on the choice of connection ID from the client.</p>
<p>In the past, we have had the principle that either endpoint not condition its choice of transport parameter values based on anything from its peer.  We should maintain this principle throughout.</p>
<p>This means changing the definition of active_connection_id_limit;  <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/larseggert/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/larseggert">@larseggert</a> had a sense that there was another.</p>

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In TLS draft, we state that _all other frame types MUST only be sent in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels_, then state that it is impossible to send some of those frames in 0-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE, NEW_TOKEN, PATH_RESPONSE, RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID).

As it seems that we think use of these frames in 0-RTT to be forbidden, I think we should be clear about that.

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<p>In TLS draft, we state that <em>all other frame types MUST only be sent in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels</em>, then state that it is impossible to send some of those frames in 0-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE, NEW_TOKEN, PATH_RESPONSE, RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID).</p>
<p>As it seems that we think use of these frames in 0-RTT to be forbidden, I think we should be clear about that.</p>

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closes #3430.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * clarify that HANDSHAKE_DONE, NEW_TOKEN, PATH_RESPONSE, RCID frames MUST NOT be sent in 0-RTT

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (8)

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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3431.diff

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3430.">closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560871330" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3430" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3430/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3430">#3430</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>clarify that HANDSHAKE_DONE, NEW_TOKEN, PATH_RESPONSE, RCID frames MUST NOT be sent in 0-RTT</li>
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@larseggert 
> Proposed resolution is to close with no action. New Editorial issue to be opened to explain the intended use of `preferred_address` and the CID it contains.

Please do note that this issue points out to other editorial concerns (see the original problem statement). I'd prefer seeing them being addressed to (and we have a WIP text in #3354).

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Two things need to be clarified around SPA:
- The CID is not path-specific; it's there to ensure that the client has a second CID before the handshake completes.  If the client opts not to migrate, the client can use that CID on the 
- The IP addresses in the SPA are only for use in the transition post-handshake; the client should not cache the IP addresses for any other use.

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<p>Two things need to be clarified around SPA:</p>
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<li>The CID is not path-specific; it's there to ensure that the client has a second CID before the handshake completes.  If the client opts not to migrate, the client can use that CID on the</li>
<li>The IP addresses in the SPA are only for use in the transition post-handshake; the client should not cache the IP addresses for any other use.</li>
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>  
-Note that it is not possible to send the following frames in 0-RTT for various
-reasons: ACK, CRYPTO, HANDSHAKE_DONE, NEW_TOKEN, PATH_RESPONSE, and

Where did ACK go?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3431#discussion_r375722577">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Note that it is not possible to send the following frames in 0-RTT for various
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>  
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And CRYPTO.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3431#discussion_r375722806">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
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We've added new transport parameters since we wrote section 7.3.1.  The following TPs are neither MUST NOT remember nor MUST remember:
- max_idle_timeout
- max_packet_size
- max_ack_delay
- disable_active_migration

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<p>We've added new transport parameters since we wrote section 7.3.1.  The following TPs are neither MUST NOT remember nor MUST remember:</p>
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<li>max_packet_size</li>
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-Note that it is not possible to send the following frames in 0-RTT for various
-reasons: ACK, CRYPTO, HANDSHAKE_DONE, NEW_TOKEN, PATH_RESPONSE, and

ACK and CRYPTO are already explicitly called out. See the text above.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3431#discussion_r375728572">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Note that it is not possible to send the following frames in 0-RTT for various
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<p>ACK and CRYPTO are already explicitly called out. See the text above.</p>

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Our current posture is to be selective about what transport parameters are remembered.  Clients and servers are required to remember a select set of parameters.

@MikeBishop described a more principled approach: remember any transport parameter that the client could transgress with 0-RTT packets.  The implied corollary here is that operation of 0-RTT is not constrained relative to 1-RTT.

Based on that principle, we already have one transport parameter that violates that.  `max_packet_size` is one of those.

I think that we will always have a split here between connection-specific stuff (original destination connection ID, preferred address) and stuff that is necessary for 0-RTT (flow control limits).  Having a principle that we can use to guide that decision would help a great deal.

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<p>Our current posture is to be selective about what transport parameters are remembered.  Clients and servers are required to remember a select set of parameters.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> described a more principled approach: remember any transport parameter that the client could transgress with 0-RTT packets.  The implied corollary here is that operation of 0-RTT is not constrained relative to 1-RTT.</p>
<p>Based on that principle, we already have one transport parameter that violates that.  <code>max_packet_size</code> is one of those.</p>
<p>I think that we will always have a split here between connection-specific stuff (original destination connection ID, preferred address) and stuff that is necessary for 0-RTT (flow control limits).  Having a principle that we can use to guide that decision would help a great deal.</p>

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> @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
+  Unless the peer is using a zero-length connection ID, the value of the

Rather than "assumed to be zero," just say that value of the TP is not used in that case.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375734438">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
+  Unless the peer is using a zero-length connection ID, the value of the
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<p>Rather than "assumed to be zero," just say that value of the TP is not used in that case.</p>

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The exception for CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT is just odd.  We currently exclude things from 0-RTT only because they are impossible.

As @marten-seemann says, "feel free to send me a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when I send CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT".

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<p>The exception for CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT is just odd.  We currently exclude things from 0-RTT only because they are impossible.</p>
<p>As <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/marten-seemann/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/marten-seemann">@marten-seemann</a> says, "feel free to send me a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when I send CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT".</p>

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See also #3435.

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<p>See also <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560910861" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435">#3435</a>.</p>

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The original text was correct.  These were not prohibited, they were impossible.

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<p>The original text was correct.  These were not prohibited, they were impossible.</p>

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Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is written up in #3425.

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<p>Discussed in ZRH. Proposed resolution is written up in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560429994" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3425" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3425/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3425">#3425</a>.</p>

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I see @martinthomson was faster than me in #3435. 

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Closed #3436.

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@martinthomson If that is the case, I think we need to change table 3 of the transport draft, it currently states HANDSHAKE_DONE can appear only in an 1-RTT packet.

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IIRC, the rationale behind forbidding use of CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet was that the client should send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial or Handshake packet. I am fine with allowing use of CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT, as long as that advice is kept (or stated).

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I'd like to understand what your argument is here. Is it that you *must not* condition your response, or merely that it is not necessary to.

For instance, you suppose we have a set of extensions that exist and that those extensions need to be jointly agreed on whether they will be done. The client supports some set E_c and the set of extensions E_s. The client clearly sends E_c. Is your argument that the server must send E_s and not E_c \cap E_s and the client must compute the intersection? Or that it might send either?





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<p>I'd like to understand what your argument is here. Is it that you <em>must not</em> condition your response, or merely that it is not necessary to.</p>
<p>For instance, you suppose we have a set of extensions that exist and that those extensions need to be jointly agreed on whether they will be done. The client supports some set E_c and the set of extensions E_s. The client clearly sends E_c. Is your argument that the server must send E_s and not E_c \cap E_s and the client must compute the intersection? Or that it might send either?</p>

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After sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the client is supposed to enter the draining state and stop sending other than to repeat the connection close.  However, the server might reject 0-RTT, in which case the server doesn't know the connection has been closed.  I see the principle for including it, but I agree with @kazuho that we should advise clients that it's kinder to send the CONNECTION_CLOSE at other encryption levels as well / instead to ensure the server can read it.

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<p>After sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the client is supposed to enter the draining state and stop sending other than to repeat the connection close.  However, the server might reject 0-RTT, in which case the server doesn't know the connection has been closed.  I see the principle for including it, but I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> that we should advise clients that it's kinder to send the CONNECTION_CLOSE at other encryption levels as well / instead to ensure the server can read it.</p>

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It seemed to me that the principle MT was espousing was that we don't forbid any frames in 0-RTT and just note in the draft the frames where some other rule made it impossible to send a conformant frame in 0-RTT. 

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<p>It seemed to me that the principle MT was espousing was that we don't forbid any frames in 0-RTT and just note in the draft the frames where some other rule made it impossible to send a conformant frame in 0-RTT.</p>

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Yeah I notice that [table 3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#table-3) marks frames that can only be sent by a server<sup>1</sup> as `___1`, even though the TLS draft says they are not forbidden in 0-RTT. IMO that's confusing, but I think I can live with status quo.

1: NEW_TOKEN, HANDSHAKE_DONE

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<p>Yeah I notice that <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#table-3" rel="nofollow">table 3</a> marks frames that can only be sent by a server<sup>1</sup> as <code>___1</code>, even though the TLS draft says they are not forbidden in 0-RTT. IMO that's confusing, but I think I can live with status quo.</p>
<p>1: NEW_TOKEN, HANDSHAKE_DONE</p>

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It's not forbidden, it's impossible -- or more precisely, it's a protocol violation to send them for other reasons.  HANDSHAKE_DONE and NEW_TOKEN frames are sent only by servers, and servers don't send 0-RTT.  A client sending them at any time is forbidden.

PATH_RESPONSE is sent only in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE; PATH_CHALLENGE can only be sent in 0-RTT or 1-RTT, and servers don't send 0-RTT.  Therefore, the client can't be responding to a PATH_CHALLENGE while it's still sending 0-RTT.

RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID can't retire the CID of its own packet.  Until the transport parameters have been parsed, the client only has one CID for the server, so it's illegal to retire it.  Once the transport parameters have been parsed, in the "simple" handshake flow, the client shouldn't be sending 0-RTT.  If the handshake requires an extra round-trip, is it possible to keep sending 0-RTT after having processed the Server Hello?

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<p>It's not forbidden, it's impossible -- or more precisely, it's a protocol violation to send them for other reasons.  HANDSHAKE_DONE and NEW_TOKEN frames are sent only by servers, and servers don't send 0-RTT.  A client sending them at any time is forbidden.</p>
<p>PATH_RESPONSE is sent only in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE; PATH_CHALLENGE can only be sent in 0-RTT or 1-RTT, and servers don't send 0-RTT.  Therefore, the client can't be responding to a PATH_CHALLENGE while it's still sending 0-RTT.</p>
<p>RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID can't retire the CID of its own packet.  Until the transport parameters have been parsed, the client only has one CID for the server, so it's illegal to retire it.  Once the transport parameters have been parsed, in the "simple" handshake flow, the client shouldn't be sending 0-RTT.  If the handshake requires an extra round-trip, is it possible to keep sending 0-RTT after having processed the Server Hello?</p>

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@MikeBishop yes, I think that is what I was saying.

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There's already text about sending connection close in the highest encryption level the sender knows the peer can process.  When 0-RTT is sent, the client doesn't know whether the server can process the packets.

See text starting with
 "When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that the peer
   will process the frame.  Generally, this means sending the frame in a
   packet with the highest level of packet protection to avoid the
   packet being discarded."
in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-25#section-10.3

I think the existing text advises clients not do this, but making it illegal is silly.

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<p>There's already text about sending connection close in the highest encryption level the sender knows the peer can process.  When 0-RTT is sent, the client doesn't know whether the server can process the packets.</p>
<p>See text starting with<br>
"When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that the peer<br>
will process the frame.  Generally, this means sending the frame in a<br>
packet with the highest level of packet protection to avoid the<br>
packet being discarded."<br>
in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-25#section-10.3" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-25#section-10.3</a></p>
<p>I think the existing text advises clients not do this, but making it illegal is silly.</p>

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Fixes #3428.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Application-layer close

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3428.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560693941" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3428" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3428/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3428">#3428</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Application-layer close</li>
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This goes most of the way to solving my perceived problem. I do wonder if we should also add a little bit more text to section 8 in this paragraph

> An endpoint MAY choose to treat a stream error as a connection error
   under certain circumstances.  Implementations need to consider the
   impact on outstanding requests before making this choice.

Perhaps just a reference e.g. "Implementations need to consider the impact on outstanding requests before making this choice, see {immediate-application-closure}."

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<p>This goes most of the way to solving my perceived problem. I do wonder if we should also add a little bit more text to section 8 in this paragraph</p>
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<p>An endpoint MAY choose to treat a stream error as a connection error<br>
under certain circumstances.  Implementations need to consider the<br>
impact on outstanding requests before making this choice.</p>
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<p>Perhaps just a reference e.g. "Implementations need to consider the impact on outstanding requests before making this choice, see {immediate-application-closure}."</p>

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19e5189c0519c9207a6e81699ea3e802924ad875  Ignore value if zero; clean up some other language.


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nharper commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
+  Unless the peer is using a zero-length connection ID, the value of the

I've changed this to say that the TP is ignored if an endpoint is using a zero-len CID.

>    active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  When the client
+  is using a zero-length connection ID, the server MUST NOT send the
+  active_connection_id_limit parameter.

The MUST NOT is gone, leaving an implicit MAY.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375779940">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
+  Unless the peer is using a zero-length connection ID, the value of the
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<p>I've changed this to say that the TP is ignored if an endpoint is using a zero-len CID.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375780232">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;    active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  When the client
+  is using a zero-length connection ID, the server MUST NOT send the
+  active_connection_id_limit parameter.
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> Perhaps just a reference e.g. "Implementations need to consider the impact on outstanding requests before making this choice, see {immediate-application-closure}."

But that section doesn't discuss the impact on outstanding requests, and it seems irrelevant to this topic.  Can you expand on the connection you see?

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<p>Perhaps just a reference e.g. "Implementations need to consider the impact on outstanding requests before making this choice, see {immediate-application-closure}."</p>
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<p>But that section doesn't discuss the impact on outstanding requests, and it seems irrelevant to this topic.  Can you expand on the connection you see?</p>

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Remember ing max_ack_delay is useless I believe, because Initial and Handshake packets use an max_ack_delay of kAlarmGranularity.

I would not want to remember disable_active_migration or max_idle_timeout if at all possible.

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<p>Remember ing max_ack_delay is useless I believe, because Initial and Handshake packets use an max_ack_delay of kAlarmGranularity.</p>
<p>I would not want to remember disable_active_migration or max_idle_timeout if at all possible.</p>

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erickinnear commented on this pull request.



> -from the server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
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-A client MUST only change the value it sends in the Destination Connection ID in
-response to the first packet of each type it receives from the server (Retry or
-Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet.  Any
-additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types
-include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.  This avoids
-problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in

Given the resolution of #3348, we should likely update this to not set an expectation that you change twice maximum, technically they can change as many times as you give them CIDs / as many times as they want to switch between all active CIDs.

The reference to {{issue-cid}} later will point people at some clarification about this too, so that looks great.

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<p><b>@erickinnear</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3349#discussion_r375782321">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -from the server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
-
-A client MUST only change the value it sends in the Destination Connection ID in
-response to the first packet of each type it receives from the server (Retry or
-Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet.  Any
-additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types
-include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.  This avoids
-problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in
</pre>
<p>Given the resolution of <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="549958627" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348">#3348</a>, we should likely update this to not set an expectation that you change twice maximum, technically they can change as many times as you give them CIDs / as many times as they want to switch between all active CIDs.</p>
<p>The reference to {{issue-cid}} later will point people at some clarification about this too, so that looks great.</p>

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My understanding of the argument is that we shouldn't force servers to condition their TPs based on the client's Initial packet (possibly including TPs). E.g. the server currently needs to condition its active_connection_id_limit TP based on whether the client's Initial had a zero-len SCID; PR #3426 relaxes that constraint.

Assuming we have some future sets of TPs for extensions (and these TPs are advertised values, not negotiated values) E_c on the client and E_s on the server: The server could always send E_s (so it doesn't have to condition its response), or the server could send E_c \cap E_s, and in either case the client will ignore values sent by the server not in E_c. For future extensions that have negotiated transport params, the server will have to condition those values based on what the client sent.

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<p>My understanding of the argument is that we shouldn't force servers to condition their TPs based on the client's Initial packet (possibly including TPs). E.g. the server currently needs to condition its active_connection_id_limit TP based on whether the client's Initial had a zero-len SCID; PR <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560461896" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3426" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426">#3426</a> relaxes that constraint.</p>
<p>Assuming we have some future sets of TPs for extensions (and these TPs are advertised values, not negotiated values) E_c on the client and E_s on the server: The server could always send E_s (so it doesn't have to condition its response), or the server could send E_c \cap E_s, and in either case the client will ignore values sent by the server not in E_c. For future extensions that have negotiated transport params, the server will have to condition those values based on what the client sent.</p>

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to me, the choice to promote a stream error to a connection error is the choice to promote it to an immediate application close. Therefore the present statement about "impact on outstanding requests" is really about how to do/decide on graceful close with GOAWAY. If that is not the case, then I don't understand what other consierations my endpoint should make

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Note also the editorial changes in #3354, which are great and still needed: this adds a little bit more to the reference from those changes to do the key clarifying for #3348.

The remaining clarification about `preferred_address` is coming in the SPA PRs, but I wanted to look at this paragraph in one place.

Closes #3348.
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<p>Note also the editorial changes in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="551168076" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3354" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354">#3354</a>, which are great and still needed: this adds a little bit more to the reference from those changes to do the key clarifying for <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="549958627" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348">#3348</a>.</p>
<p>The remaining clarification about <code>preferred_address</code> is coming in the SPA PRs, but I wanted to look at this paragraph in one place.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3348.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="549958627" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3348">#3348</a>.</p>

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> @@ -1036,9 +1036,9 @@ be used again and requests that the peer replace it with a new connection ID
 using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
 
 As discussed in {{migration-linkability}}, each connection ID MUST be used on
-packets sent from only one local address.  An endpoint that migrates away from a
-local address SHOULD retire all connection IDs used on that address once it no
-longer plans to use that address.
+packets sent from only one local address, and MUST NOT be used across multiple
+paths that are opened intentionally.  An endpoint SHOULD retire connection IDs
+as they become unusable.

I'd tend to agree here.

I think the normative text in question is: 
> ##### Section 9.5 Privacy Implications of Connection Migration
> ...
> An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID if it initiates connection migration as
described in {{initiating-migration}} or probes a new network path as described
in {{probing}}.  An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID in response to a
change in the address of a peer if the packet with the new peer address uses an
active connection ID that has not been previously used by the peer.

This seems to me like: 
> each connection ID MUST be used on packets sent from only one local address

still has value as normative text (although it would likely be better all in one place).

Not sure the new text improves on what's there now, does:
> , and MUST NOT be used across multiple paths that are opened intentionally.

add anything to clarity of this point?

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<p><b>@erickinnear</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354#discussion_r375789360">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1036,9 +1036,9 @@ be used again and requests that the peer replace it with a new connection ID
 using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
 
 As discussed in {{migration-linkability}}, each connection ID MUST be used on
-packets sent from only one local address.  An endpoint that migrates away from a
-local address SHOULD retire all connection IDs used on that address once it no
-longer plans to use that address.
+packets sent from only one local address, and MUST NOT be used across multiple
+paths that are opened intentionally.  An endpoint SHOULD retire connection IDs
+as they become unusable.
</pre>
<p>I'd tend to agree here.</p>
<p>I think the normative text in question is:</p>
<blockquote>
<h5>Section 9.5 Privacy Implications of Connection Migration</h5>
<p>...<br>
An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID if it initiates connection migration as<br>
described in {{initiating-migration}} or probes a new network path as described<br>
in {{probing}}.  An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID in response to a<br>
change in the address of a peer if the packet with the new peer address uses an<br>
active connection ID that has not been previously used by the peer.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This seems to me like:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>each connection ID MUST be used on packets sent from only one local address</p>
</blockquote>
<p>still has value as normative text (although it would likely be better all in one place).</p>
<p>Not sure the new text improves on what's there now, does:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>, and MUST NOT be used across multiple paths that are opened intentionally.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>add anything to clarity of this point?</p>

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

This is good.  Thanks for putting this together Nick.

> @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less
+  than 2. If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
+  If an endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the
+  active_connection_id_limit value received from its peer is ignored and
+  not used.

```suggestion
  not used, as NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames can't be sent by a peer that opts for
  a zero-length connection ID.
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As max_idle_timeout and disable_active_migration can only ever apply after the handshake is complete, remembrance is unnecessary.

max_ack_delay is annoying because it implies a particular acknowledgment schedule for 0-RTT that might not be compatible with the path, but setting it to the absolute minimum is problematic also.

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<p>As max_idle_timeout and disable_active_migration can only ever apply after the handshake is complete, remembrance is unnecessary.</p>
<p>max_ack_delay is annoying because it implies a particular acknowledgment schedule for 0-RTT that might not be compatible with the path, but setting it to the absolute minimum is problematic also.</p>

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See also #3434.

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<p>See also <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560890955" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3434" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3434/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3434">#3434</a>.</p>

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66894f8b39ba2c10a626972497de31e5c19b6f6a  Explain why parameter is ignored in certain cases.


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MAY send a fixed set (so MAY NOT condition the response I guess) or that it is not necessary to.

So managing intersection of incompatible extensions is one case where conditioning might seem to be necessary, but that can be resolved by establishing precedence for instance.

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<p>MAY send a fixed set (so MAY NOT condition the response I guess) or that it is not necessary to.</p>
<p>So managing intersection of incompatible extensions is one case where conditioning might seem to be necessary, but that can be resolved by establishing precedence for instance.</p>

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nharper commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less
+  than 2. If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
+  If an endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the
+  active_connection_id_limit value received from its peer is ignored and
+  not used.

I slightly tweaked the suggested change: s/peer/endpoint/ and s/can't/cannot/.

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<p><b>@nharper</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r375799554">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,11 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less
+  than 2. If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
+  If an endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the
+  active_connection_id_limit value received from its peer is ignored and
+  not used.
</pre>
<p>I slightly tweaked the suggested change: s/peer/endpoint/ and s/can't/cannot/.</p>

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> @@ -1036,9 +1036,9 @@ be used again and requests that the peer replace it with a new connection ID
 using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
 
 As discussed in {{migration-linkability}}, each connection ID MUST be used on
-packets sent from only one local address.  An endpoint that migrates away from a
-local address SHOULD retire all connection IDs used on that address once it no
-longer plans to use that address.
+packets sent from only one local address, and MUST NOT be used across multiple
+paths that are opened intentionally.  An endpoint SHOULD retire connection IDs
+as they become unusable.

Ah, I see later some of this is covered :)

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<p><b>@erickinnear</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354#discussion_r375801092">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1036,9 +1036,9 @@ be used again and requests that the peer replace it with a new connection ID
 using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
 
 As discussed in {{migration-linkability}}, each connection ID MUST be used on
-packets sent from only one local address.  An endpoint that migrates away from a
-local address SHOULD retire all connection IDs used on that address once it no
-longer plans to use that address.
+packets sent from only one local address, and MUST NOT be used across multiple
+paths that are opened intentionally.  An endpoint SHOULD retire connection IDs
+as they become unusable.
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OK - I missed the part of the meeting discussing that: I concur that  if QUIC never uses this variable for other things, then the current specific use of min_rtt in the latest rev does note the problem above.

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<p>OK - I missed the part of the meeting discussing that: I concur that  if QUIC never uses this variable for other things, then the current specific use of min_rtt in the latest rev does note the problem above.</p>

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I'm going to re-open this so that we can let the process run, but thanks for acknowledging this Gorry.

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<p>I'm going to re-open this so that we can let the process run, but thanks for acknowledging this Gorry.</p>

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Reopened #2923.

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<p>Reopened <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="471329458" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2923" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2923/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2923">#2923</a>.</p>

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> It's not forbidden, it's impossible -- or more precisely, it's a protocol violation to send them for other reasons.

Does that mean I can't send a FRAME_PARSING error? That would complicate things quite a bit, since I'd have to build extra tracking logic e.g. for a HANDSHAKE_DONE that is not sent in 1-RTT.

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<p>Does that mean I can't send a FRAME_PARSING error? That would complicate things quite a bit, since I'd have to build extra tracking logic e.g. for a HANDSHAKE_DONE that is not sent in 1-RTT.</p>

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I looked through the existing transport parameters for what currently conflicts with a fixed profile of transport parameters. I've only found one (apart from the already discussed active_connection_id_limit): original_connection_id. This field is necessarily dependent on what the client sends. The only way to avoid this is to not send Retry packets so you don't need to send this TP. The rest of the transport parameters appear to be independent of what the peer sent.

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<p>I looked through the existing transport parameters for what currently conflicts with a fixed profile of transport parameters. I've only found one (apart from the already discussed active_connection_id_limit): original_connection_id. This field is necessarily dependent on what the client sends. The only way to avoid this is to not send Retry packets so you don't need to send this TP. The rest of the transport parameters appear to be independent of what the peer sent.</p>

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Why bother?  The client can't send HANDSHAKE_DONE, so you only need to check the role of the endpoint when receiving it.

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<p>Why bother?  The client can't send HANDSHAKE_DONE, so you only need to check the role of the endpoint when receiving it.</p>

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@ad-l has noted in the past that we don't authenticate the connection IDs that are exchanging during the handshake.  This complicates analysis of header protection (for details, see the upcoming paper).  We already authenticate the connection ID that the client first uses if there is a Retry packet sent, but we don't otherwise authenticate the connection IDs that are signaled in the Source Connection ID field.

The question here is whether we should be more careful about authenticating these.  

@nharper also points out in #3429 that the ODCID transport parameter is an odd duck.  If we use transport parameters to authenticate connection IDs, we might be better served by restoring a fixed header to the transport parameters so that we can more cleanly address that issue.

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  Allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT

This allows us to avoid treating 0-RTT specially more generally.

The advice on where to send CONNECTION_CLOSE seems ornate, but it
reduces to "send CONNECTION_CLOSE in every space you have keys for".

Closes #3435.



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This allows us to avoid treating 0-RTT specially more generally.

The advice on where to send CONNECTION_CLOSE seems ornate, but it
reduces to &quot;send CONNECTION_CLOSE in every space you have keys for&quot;.

Closes #3435.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440

-- Commit Summary --

  * Allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (5)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (45)

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<p>This allows us to avoid treating 0-RTT specially more generally.</p>
<p>The advice on where to send CONNECTION_CLOSE seems ornate, but it<br>
reduces to "send CONNECTION_CLOSE in every space you have keys for".</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3435.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560910861" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435">#3435</a>.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440/files#diff-1">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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There is also something interesting about the ODCID transport parameter. If no retry happens, then the DCID gets authenticated, however if a retry does happen then an attacker can tamper with the new SCID in the RETRY packet. 

Also our QUIPS paper is on ePrint https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/114 and section 3.4 has some relevant details

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<p>There is also something interesting about the ODCID transport parameter. If no retry happens, then the DCID gets authenticated, however if a retry does happen then an attacker can tamper with the new SCID in the RETRY packet.</p>
<p>Also our QUIPS paper is on ePrint <a href="https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/114" rel="nofollow">https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/114</a> and section 3.4 has some relevant details</p>

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> if the client opts not to migrate ...
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Section 9.6.1 says "Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD select one of the two server's preferred addresses ..."

If the server is telling the client to migrate to a SPA, should this be changed to "the client MUST select one of the two server's preferred addresses ..."?

If the text remains a SHOULD, and the client stays on the old server address, what can the server do if it is only willing to continue with the new connection on the SPA? The server could close the initial connection using the old server address but there isn't a transport error code (e.g. MIGRATION_ERROR) that would explicitly tell the client why the connection is being closed.

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<p>if the client opts not to migrate ...</p>
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<p>Section 9.6.1 says "Once the handshake is finished, the client SHOULD select one of the two server's preferred addresses ..."</p>
<p>If the server is telling the client to migrate to a SPA, should this be changed to "the client MUST select one of the two server's preferred addresses ..."?</p>
<p>If the text remains a SHOULD, and the client stays on the old server address, what can the server do if it is only willing to continue with the new connection on the SPA? The server could close the initial connection using the old server address but there isn't a transport error code (e.g. MIGRATION_ERROR) that would explicitly tell the client why the connection is being closed.</p>

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ianswett approved this pull request.



> @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
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-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less

```suggestion
  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST NOT be less
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ianswett approved this pull request.



> -least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be
-unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in
-Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake.  These packets
-can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.
+* A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+  {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether
+  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame of type
+  0x1c in an Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive
+  the close signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* A peer might be unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send

Suggestion to reorder this sentence: "Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake and 1-RTT packets."

> +* A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+  {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether
+  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame of type
+  0x1c in an Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive
+  the close signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* A peer might be unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send
+  CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the
+  handshake.
+
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frames that are sent in multiple packets can be coalesced into

```suggestion
CONNECTION_CLOSE frames sent in multiple packets can be coalesced into
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What about stateless_reset_token?  I doubt many servers would send a static value (or not send it at all).

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<p>What about stateless_reset_token?  I doubt many servers would send a static value (or not send it at all).</p>

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> In the past, we have had the principle that either endpoint not condition its choice of transport parameter values based on anything from its peer. We should maintain this principle throughout.

@martinthomson Where did we use this principle in the past? I can't remember that we said anything like that.
Since we're using transport parameters to negotiate extensions (and extensions might use the value of the TP to negotiate *something*), I don't think this is a viable principle to follow.

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<p>In the past, we have had the principle that either endpoint not condition its choice of transport parameter values based on anything from its peer. We should maintain this principle throughout.</p>
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Since we're using transport parameters to negotiate extensions (and extensions might use the value of the TP to negotiate <em>something</em>), I don't think this is a viable principle to follow.</p>

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> @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by

Maybe add "in any packet type", considering that the original issue was if the CID of a Handshake packet can change?

Note: CID of a server-sent Initial packet might also use a CID delivered by a NCID frame, when 0-RTT is being used.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3438#discussion_r376276943">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by
</pre>
<p>Maybe add "in any packet type", considering that the original issue was if the CID of a Handshake packet can change?</p>
<p>Note: CID of a server-sent Initial packet might also use a CID delivered by a NCID frame, when 0-RTT is being used.</p>

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@marten-seemann IIRC the most recent occasion that we discussed this principle is when we changed the name of `idle-timeout` to `max-idle-timeout`.

The reason we changed the name was specifically due to this principle. Each endpoint declares its maximum, instead of conditioning its value on the others. That's why it's now called max-idle-timeout, and why we require each endpoint to calculate the minimum of the two.

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<p>The reason we changed the name was specifically due to this principle. Each endpoint declares its maximum, instead of conditioning its value on the others. That's why it's now called max-idle-timeout, and why we require each endpoint to calculate the minimum of the two.</p>

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My understanding is that the principle was you shouldn't be required to condition TPs based on data from the peer, not that one is precluded from doing so.

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<p>My understanding is that the principle was you shouldn't be required to condition TPs based on data from the peer, not that one is precluded from doing so.</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by

Discard-Initial currently says:
"A client stops both sending and processing Initial packets when it sends its first Handshake packet."

If a client processed an Initial, Handshake and 0.5RTT from the server, then it could start using the CID in NEW_CONNECTION_ID in Initial packet if it sent the Initial packet right before the Handshake packet.

Of course, if the Initial was dropped it wouldn't matter, so this is a bit irrelevant, but I wanted to make sure others realized it was not just Handshake, because I missed that previously.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3438#discussion_r376329586">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by
</pre>
<p>Discard-Initial currently says:<br>
"A client stops both sending and processing Initial packets when it sends its first Handshake packet."</p>
<p>If a client processed an Initial, Handshake and 0.5RTT from the server, then it could start using the CID in NEW_CONNECTION_ID in Initial packet if it sent the Initial packet right before the Handshake packet.</p>
<p>Of course, if the Initial was dropped it wouldn't matter, so this is a bit irrelevant, but I wanted to make sure others realized it was not just Handshake, because I missed that previously.</p>

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Fixes #3259 by documenting the core difference between TCP&#39;s RTO and QUIC&#39;s PTO.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3259.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="524688552" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3259" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3259/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3259">#3259</a> by documenting the core difference between TCP's RTO and QUIC's PTO.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-ack-delay-exponent
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  Date:   2020-02-07 (Fri, 07 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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92fda61c7efec9753fc8d003593aebec2c8776e6  Jana's suggestion


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> @@ -315,14 +315,17 @@ samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
 mean variation.
 
 The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples
-for ACK delays.  For packets sent in the ApplicationData packet number space,
-a peer limits any delay in sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting
-packet to no greater than the value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport
-parameter.  Consequently, when a peer reports an Ack Delay that is greater than
-its max_ack_delay, the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control,
-such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any
-delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively
-part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+for ACK delays. ACK delays are communicated in the ack_delay field of the

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3362#discussion_r376663900">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -315,14 +315,17 @@ samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
 mean variation.
 
 The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples
-for ACK delays.  For packets sent in the ApplicationData packet number space,
-a peer limits any delay in sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting
-packet to no greater than the value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport
-parameter.  Consequently, when a peer reports an Ack Delay that is greater than
-its max_ack_delay, the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer&#39;s control,
-such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any
-delays beyond the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively
-part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+for ACK delays. ACK delays are communicated in the ack_delay field of the
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bd755b267dcc9ca301058d6806523bb39a35d19e  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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Could you please describe in a couple of sentences what you decided in ZRH? Just for people who are curious what is happening with these new promising web standards.

IMHO, the best possible solution is to introduce HTTP-specific DNS record which will describe available HTTP versions as well as the preferred one. It even could be used to make an actual HTTP/3 connection when a user opens an `http://` URL. So, even old HTTP links to website which moved to HTTPS recently will be opened through HTTPS.

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<p>Could you please describe in a couple of sentences what you decided in ZRH? Just for people who are curious what is happening with these new promising web standards.</p>
<p>IMHO, the best possible solution is to introduce HTTP-specific DNS record which will describe available HTTP versions as well as the preferred one. It even could be used to make an actual HTTP/3 connection when a user opens an <code>http://</code> URL. So, even old HTTP links to website which moved to HTTPS recently will be opened through HTTPS.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  Remove "Ingnoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets



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Now that QUIC has separate packet number spaces, it's impossible to declare a packet lost without the relevant keys being present at both peers, because an ACK needs to be sent by one and processed by the other.

So this text is OBE and potentially confusing.



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Now that QUIC has separate packet number spaces, it&#39;s impossible to declare a packet lost without the relevant keys being present at both peers, because an ACK needs to be sent by one and processed by the other.

So this text is OBE and potentially confusing.
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  * Remove &quot;Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets&quot;

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<p>Now that QUIC has separate packet number spaces, it's impossible to declare a packet lost without the relevant keys being present at both peers, because an ACK needs to be sent by one and processed by the other.</p>
<p>So this text is OBE and potentially confusing.</p>

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Similar to TCP as described in Section 5 of RFC 6675

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<p>Similar to TCP as described in Section 5 of RFC 6675</p>
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@gorryfair You appear to be saying that if we substantially changed the current ACK guidance, this might be suboptimal.  Is that correct?

I don't believe the current guidance is optimal in almost any circumstance, so I would really like to change it.  Also, I don't believe we'll end up changing the ACK behavior substantially in the core drafts at this point, so I believe we should proceed with guidance we think works well with the existing draft without being substantially sub-optimal if a receiver does unilaterally decide to ACK less frequently.

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>From @janaiyengar and @MikeBishop comments on #3099 

Fixes #3184
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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (21)

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Clarifies why a client might send a Handshake packet, as well as improving the surrounding anti-deadlock text.

Fixes #2598
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<p>Clarifies why a client might send a Handshake packet, as well as improving the surrounding anti-deadlock text.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #2598.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="431224941" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2598" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2598/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2598">#2598</a></p>

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The "SHOULD" is intentional.  A server cannot rely on clients moving.

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<p>The "SHOULD" is intentional.  A server cannot rely on clients moving.</p>

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> @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST NOT be less

How about "MUST be at least 2"?

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r376818692">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST NOT be less
</pre>
<p>How about "MUST be at least 2"?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/close-0rtt
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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I guess that "fixed" is the wrong term.  More to the point that the transport parameters don't necessarily depend on what a peer does.  That accounts for the stateless reset case, because that only "depends" on local choices.

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<p>I guess that "fixed" is the wrong term.  More to the point that the transport parameters don't necessarily depend on what a peer does.  That accounts for the stateless reset case, because that only "depends" on local choices.</p>

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> @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by

Both those Initial cases are interesting, but probably not worth extra text :)

The "any packet type" comment is worth the text.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3438#discussion_r376819248">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by
</pre>
<p>Both those Initial cases are interesting, but probably not worth extra text :)</p>
<p>The "any packet type" comment is worth the text.</p>

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> @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)
+  // Remove any unacknowledged packets from flight.
+  foreach packet in sent_packets[pn_space]:
+    if packet.in_flight
+      bytes_in_flight -= size
+      packet.in_flight = false

You don't really need to do anything for objects that are being disposed of.  But I guess that this is equivalent to `sent_packets[pn_space].clear()`.

> @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)

Don't you use ApplicationData?

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3415#discussion_r376819466">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)
+  // Remove any unacknowledged packets from flight.
+  foreach packet in sent_packets[pn_space]:
+    if packet.in_flight
+      bytes_in_flight -= size
+      packet.in_flight = false
</pre>
<p>You don't really need to do anything for objects that are being disposed of.  But I guess that this is equivalent to <code>sent_packets[pn_space].clear()</code>.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3415#discussion_r376819798">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)
</pre>
<p>Don't you use ApplicationData?</p>

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> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than the
+congestion controller allowed.

Phrasing here suggests "than the congestion controller allows" or "than the congestion controller in TCP allowed" or something else.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r376822232">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it&#39;s less aggressive than the
+congestion controller allowed.
</pre>
<p>Phrasing here suggests "than the congestion controller allows" or "than the congestion controller in TCP allowed" or something else.</p>

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Finding this sort of skew is hard without regular, thorough reviewing.  Good that we caught it now.



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<p>Finding this sort of skew is hard without regular, thorough reviewing.  Good that we caught it now.</p>

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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I think that the shift in the explanation misses the important point for a lesser one.

> @@ -2420,20 +2420,21 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
-flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Only restarting when sending after receipt of a packet ensures the idle timeout
+is not excessively lengthened past the time the peer's timeout has expired.

This sentence doesn't really capture what the original text was attempting to explain.  That is, the original text intended to explain that a reset on receipt is insufficient because local attempts to restart communication might still result in the idle timeout period lapsing.  This says something different.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>I think that the shift in the explanation misses the important point for a lesser one.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3444#discussion_r376823660">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2420,20 +2420,21 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
-flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Only restarting when sending after receipt of a packet ensures the idle timeout
+is not excessively lengthened past the time the peer&#39;s timeout has expired.
</pre>
<p>This sentence doesn't really capture what the original text was attempting to explain.  That is, the original text intended to explain that a reset on receipt is insufficient because local attempts to restart communication might still result in the idle timeout period lapsing.  This says something different.</p>

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> @@ -1626,14 +1626,14 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a situation in
+which the server cannot send due to the anti-amplification limit
+and the client has no data to send because client Initial data has been
+acknowledged and it does not yet have Handshake data to send. In order to avoid

This long compound sentence probably needs to be split up.

> Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if the client does not send additional Initial packets.  The server can reaches its anti-amplification limit (see {{xxx}}), but the client has received and acknowledged Initial packets without having a need to send a Handshake packet.  In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not received enough from the client.  To prevent this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO; see Section XX of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  If [...]

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r376824142">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,14 +1626,14 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a situation in
+which the server cannot send due to the anti-amplification limit
+and the client has no data to send because client Initial data has been
+acknowledged and it does not yet have Handshake data to send. In order to avoid
</pre>
<p>This long compound sentence probably needs to be split up.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if the client does not send additional Initial packets.  The server can reaches its anti-amplification limit (see {{xxx}}), but the client has received and acknowledged Initial packets without having a need to send a Handshake packet.  In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not received enough from the client.  To prevent this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO; see Section XX of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  If [...]</p>
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove "Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets"

Now that QUIC has separate packet number spaces, it's impossible to declare a packet lost without the relevant keys being present at both peers, because an ACK needs to be sent by one and processed by the other.

So this text is OBE and potentially confusing.


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  Merge pull request #3442 from quicwg/ianswett-remove-ignoring-loss

Remove "Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets"


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Then perhaps a cautionary note such as "If the client opts not to migrate to a preferred address, the server may [lower case] decide to close the connection (e.g. SERVER_BUSY)".

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<p>Then perhaps a cautionary note such as "If the client opts not to migrate to a preferred address, the server may [lower case] decide to close the connection (e.g. SERVER_BUSY)".</p>

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erickinnear commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by

Good call, "during the handshake" is unclear in referring to a time or a packet type. Updated!

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<p><b>@erickinnear</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3438#discussion_r376897984">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by
</pre>
<p>Good call, "during the handshake" is unclear in referring to a time or a packet type. Updated!</p>

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8e532b07e8f56cc31ca53a84325ba5539d5a603c  Note that CIDs are valid in any packet type


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> @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by

Settled on just noting "any packet type" since the presence of Initial and Handshake packets implies that you're using these during the handshake.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3438#discussion_r376898730">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1002,7 +1002,9 @@ When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets that carry this
 connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
 the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}).  Connection IDs that are issued and not
-retired are considered active; any active connection ID can be used.
+retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any
+time, including during the handshake.  This includes the connection ID issued by
</pre>
<p>Settled on just noting "any packet type" since the presence of Initial and Handshake packets implies that you're using these during the handshake.</p>

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> @@ -2194,11 +2194,13 @@ linked by any other entity.
 At any time, endpoints MAY change the Destination Connection ID they send to a
 value that has not been used on another path.
 
-An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID if it initiates connection migration as
-described in {{initiating-migration}} or probes a new network path as described
-in {{probing}}.  An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID in response to a
-change in the address of a peer if the packet with the new peer address uses an
-active connection ID that has not been previously used by the peer.
+An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID when it initiates connection migration
+as described in {{initiating-migration}} or {{preferred-address}}, or when it
+probes a new network path as described in {{probing}}, and MUST NOT reuse

Writing down the results of a discussion in ZRH about stating this in terms of endpoints (not client/server) and addresses (not paths):
- An endpoint MUST NOT reuse a CID when sending from more than one local address
- An endpoint MUST NOT reuse a CID when sending to more than one destination address

With the following exceptions/additions:
- An endpoint SHOULD NOT respond to a newly seen incoming CID with an outgoing CID that it has used before (should since it may not have a new one to use)
- An endpoint MAY skip switching if it has strong reason to believe that the remote endpoint didn't try to change (i.e. if CID didn't change and only port changed, it's likely NAT rebinding), although this exception is only necessary if it doesn't have a new one to use

(Modulo some wording tweaks)

I *think* this is the current state of the text, just rearranging to collapse the separate requirements into one cluster that's hopefully easy to understand. Will incorporate this into the SPA PR if that seems reasonable to you.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3354#discussion_r376900327">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2194,11 +2194,13 @@ linked by any other entity.
 At any time, endpoints MAY change the Destination Connection ID they send to a
 value that has not been used on another path.
 
-An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID if it initiates connection migration as
-described in {{initiating-migration}} or probes a new network path as described
-in {{probing}}.  An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID in response to a
-change in the address of a peer if the packet with the new peer address uses an
-active connection ID that has not been previously used by the peer.
+An endpoint MUST use a new connection ID when it initiates connection migration
+as described in {{initiating-migration}} or {{preferred-address}}, or when it
+probes a new network path as described in {{probing}}, and MUST NOT reuse
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<p>Writing down the results of a discussion in ZRH about stating this in terms of endpoints (not client/server) and addresses (not paths):</p>
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<li>An endpoint MUST NOT reuse a CID when sending from more than one local address</li>
<li>An endpoint MUST NOT reuse a CID when sending to more than one destination address</li>
</ul>
<p>With the following exceptions/additions:</p>
<ul>
<li>An endpoint SHOULD NOT respond to a newly seen incoming CID with an outgoing CID that it has used before (should since it may not have a new one to use)</li>
<li>An endpoint MAY skip switching if it has strong reason to believe that the remote endpoint didn't try to change (i.e. if CID didn't change and only port changed, it's likely NAT rebinding), although this exception is only necessary if it doesn't have a new one to use</li>
</ul>
<p>(Modulo some wording tweaks)</p>
<p>I <em>think</em> this is the current state of the text, just rearranging to collapse the separate requirements into one cluster that's hopefully easy to understand. Will incorporate this into the SPA PR if that seems reasonable to you.</p>

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Looking great! One minor wording suggestion.

> @@ -3374,9 +3374,11 @@ priorities specified by the application indicate otherwise (see
 
 Even though a sender is encouraged to assemble frames containing up-to-date
 information every time it sends a packet, it is not forbidden to retransmit
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+copies of frames from lost packets.  A sender which retransmits copies of frames
+must deal with decreases in available payload size due to change in packet

Lowercase `must` makes me read this oddly, how about: 
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In fixing #3435, I realized that it was tricky to send an application-level close in 0-RTT because of the need to potentially send a close in Initial or Handshake packets. However, the same applies to 0.5-RTT. The client might not have 1-RTT keys when the server sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE in a short header packet.

Rather than try to remap application errors onto transport errors to solve this, just let the application signal an error any time.  Sure, both 0-RTT and 0.5-RTT both have in common the lack of input from a peer, so signaling an error seems unnecessary, but the restriction we have only exists because we aren't sure that the condition is valid. But it might be. Imagine that an application error condition could be triggered by TLS extensions or transport parameters. Or maybe the endpoint just doesn't want to continue.

Lifting the restriction should simplify a lot of things.

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<p>In fixing <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560910861" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3435">#3435</a>, I realized that it was tricky to send an application-level close in 0-RTT because of the need to potentially send a close in Initial or Handshake packets. However, the same applies to 0.5-RTT. The client might not have 1-RTT keys when the server sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE in a short header packet.</p>
<p>Rather than try to remap application errors onto transport errors to solve this, just let the application signal an error any time.  Sure, both 0-RTT and 0.5-RTT both have in common the lack of input from a peer, so signaling an error seems unnecessary, but the restriction we have only exists because we aren't sure that the condition is valid. But it might be. Imagine that an application error condition could be triggered by TLS extensions or transport parameters. Or maybe the endpoint just doesn't want to continue.</p>
<p>Lifting the restriction should simplify a lot of things.</p>

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I am not sure if that is the correct thing to do.

IIRC, the reason we have limited use of application CONNECTION_CLOSE to 1-RTT is because the error code is part of the application protocol, and because the role of QUIC as a transport protocol is to provide "encryption" to the application protocol. That's what we agreed late last year, see #3158.

The flip side of allowing application close to be sent using Initial packets is that every application protocol using QUIC would be required to specify the error codes that can be sent using Initial packets or not, because the error code sent using an Initial packet would be observable.

I would argue that *that* would be a complexity.

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<p>I am not sure if that is the correct thing to do.</p>
<p>IIRC, the reason we have limited use of application CONNECTION_CLOSE to 1-RTT is because the error code is part of the application protocol, and because the role of QUIC as a transport protocol is to provide "encryption" to the application protocol. That's what we agreed late last year, see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="513186819" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3158">#3158</a>.</p>
<p>The flip side of allowing application close to be sent using Initial packets is that every application protocol using QUIC would be required to specify the error codes that can be sent using Initial packets or not, because the error code sent using an Initial packet would be observable.</p>
<p>I would argue that <em>that</em> would be a complexity.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-discard-keys-pto
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/578d2b79af642126ee9be062851b621c8e0751ae
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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578d2b79af642126ee9be062851b621c8e0751ae  Martin's suggestions


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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)

Of course, fixed.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3415#discussion_r377111272">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
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+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
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+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than the
+congestion controller allowed.

Updated to compare to a non-app limited connection.  Tell me if that works.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r377115892">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it&#39;s less aggressive than the
+congestion controller allowed.
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60d963764b61248ce1fe4150086ccb09f04056ac  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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9230db89612af823a292500816cd2427646debd8  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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kazuho commented on this pull request.



> @@ -328,8 +328,7 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at the QUIC layer
-  (type 0x1c) MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
 
 - CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling application errors (type 0x1d) MUST only be
   sent in packets at the 1-RTT encryption level.

For consistency, should we strike this point to allow the use of application-level CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in 0-RTT? Looking at the changes proposed for the transport draft, I believe that that is the intent.

> @@ -328,8 +328,7 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at the QUIC layer
-  (type 0x1c) MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.

I am not sure if this change is correct, because this would mean that CONNECTION_CLOSE is allowed only in 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.

I think what we need to do here is add CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1c) to the point above that talks about PADDING and PING frames.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r376851373">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -328,8 +328,7 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at the QUIC layer
-  (type 0x1c) MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
 
 - CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling application errors (type 0x1d) MUST only be
   sent in packets at the 1-RTT encryption level.
</pre>
<p>For consistency, should we strike this point to allow the use of application-level CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in 0-RTT? Looking at the changes proposed for the transport draft, I believe that that is the intent.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r376851844">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -328,8 +328,7 @@ encryption levels:
 
 - PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CRYPTO frames and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames signaling errors at the QUIC layer
-  (type 0x1c) MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
+- CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level except 0-RTT.
</pre>
<p>I am not sure if this change is correct, because this would mean that CONNECTION_CLOSE is allowed only in 0-RTT and 1-RTT levels.</p>
<p>I think what we need to do here is add CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1c) to the point above that talks about PADDING and PING frames.</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)
+  // Remove any unacknowledged packets from flight.
+  foreach packet in sent_packets[pn_space]:
+    if packet.in_flight
+      bytes_in_flight -= size
+      packet.in_flight = false

Good point, I changed it to clear().

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3415#discussion_r377110334">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1432,6 +1434,26 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
        congestion_window = kMinimumWindow
 ~~~
 
+## Upon dropping Initial or Handshake keys
+
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, packets from the space
+are discarded and loss detection state is updated.
+
+Pseudocode for OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded follows:
+
+~~~
+OnPacketNumberSpaceDiscarded(pn_space):
+  assert(pn_space != 1RTT)
+  // Remove any unacknowledged packets from flight.
+  foreach packet in sent_packets[pn_space]:
+    if packet.in_flight
+      bytes_in_flight -= size
+      packet.in_flight = false
</pre>
<p>Good point, I changed it to clear().</p>

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> @@ -1626,14 +1626,14 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a situation in
+which the server cannot send due to the anti-amplification limit
+and the client has no data to send because client Initial data has been
+acknowledged and it does not yet have Handshake data to send. In order to avoid

Thanks, I tried to rewrite based on your suggestion.  Tell me what you think.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r377218857">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,14 +1626,14 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a situation in
+which the server cannot send due to the anti-amplification limit
+and the client has no data to send because client Initial data has been
+acknowledged and it does not yet have Handshake data to send. In order to avoid
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<p>Thanks, I tried to rewrite based on your suggestion.  Tell me what you think.</p>

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I don't read the text this way. It lists a handful of TPs that clients MUST NOT remember and it says that all others MUST be remembered. I read this as saying that max_packet_size is on the list.

Obviously, servers must be allowed to provide a smaller subsequent max_packet_size if necessary, which is how the text currently reads.

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<p>I don't read the text this way. It lists a handful of TPs that clients MUST NOT remember and it says that all others MUST be remembered. I read this as saying that max_packet_size is on the list.</p>
<p>Obviously, servers must be allowed to provide a smaller subsequent max_packet_size if necessary, which is how the text currently reads.</p>
<p>I suggest we close this with no action.</p>

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I don't read the text this way. In the fourth paragraph it says that "A client that attempts to send 0-RTT data MUST remember all other transport parameters used by the server." [i.e. all but a short list of obviously insane TPs listed in the previous paragraph.

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<p>I don't read the text this way. In the fourth paragraph it says that "A client that attempts to send 0-RTT data MUST remember all other transport parameters used by the server." [i.e. all but a short list of obviously insane TPs listed in the previous paragraph.</p>
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Thanks. Struggling a little with that second sentence though. 

> @@ -1626,13 +1626,16 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets. The server can
+reach its anti-amplification limit, but the clients Initial data has been

This is missing an apostrophe on Clients. But more seriously, it looks like a sentence fragment. 

Maybe move the part about the client not sending up into this sentence. 

> The server can reach its anti-amplification limit, but the client has no reason to send more packets as all the data it has sent has been acknowledged.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks. Struggling a little with that second sentence though.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r377264774">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,13 +1626,16 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets. The server can
+reach its anti-amplification limit, but the clients Initial data has been
</pre>
<p>This is missing an apostrophe on Clients. But more seriously, it looks like a sentence fragment.</p>
<p>Maybe move the part about the client not sending up into this sentence.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The server can reach its anti-amplification limit, but the client has no reason to send more packets as all the data it has sent has been acknowledged.</p>
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> @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST NOT be less

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<p><b>@nharper</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r377271038">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST NOT be less
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Yeah, I was writing based on memory, and you are right that the text strongly skews toward remembering by default.

However, I don't agree that reducing `max_packet_size` is safe.  Unless you are suggesting that 0-RTT has to use the minimum size always.  What we have now is that clients and servers have to remember `max_packet_size`, but they aren't specifically required to avoid clients violating new restrictions.  That's weird.

I would suggest then that we make this editorial in order to capture the aforementioned principle and then I will open another issue to track `max_packet_size` constraints.

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<p>Yeah, I was writing based on memory, and you are right that the text strongly skews toward remembering by default.</p>
<p>However, I don't agree that reducing <code>max_packet_size</code> is safe.  Unless you are suggesting that 0-RTT has to use the minimum size always.  What we have now is that clients and servers have to remember <code>max_packet_size</code>, but they aren't specifically required to avoid clients violating new restrictions.  That's weird.</p>
<p>I would suggest then that we make this editorial in order to capture the aforementioned principle and then I will open another issue to track <code>max_packet_size</code> constraints.</p>

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In #3434, we discussed remembering transport parameters.  The spec currently implicitly requires that `max_packet_size` be remembered.  However, it does not explicitly prohibit servers from accepting 0-RTT when it plans to reduce the value of this transport parameter.  That might lead to clients sending 0-RTT packets that are too big for the server.

I see two options:

1. Require that the server not accept 0-RTT if it plans to reduce this value.

2. Require that the client use the minimum value (1200) for 0-RTT.

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<p>In <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560890955" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3434" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3434/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3434">#3434</a>, we discussed remembering transport parameters.  The spec currently implicitly requires that <code>max_packet_size</code> be remembered.  However, it does not explicitly prohibit servers from accepting 0-RTT when it plans to reduce the value of this transport parameter.  That might lead to clients sending 0-RTT packets that are too big for the server.</p>
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>> Connection IDs MUST NOT contain any information that can be used by an external observer (that is, one that does not cooperate with the issuer) to correlate them with other connection IDs for the same connection.
> I think it's worth paying particular attention to the phrase "external observer" as that is defined nowhere else in the RFC and, at least as far as I'm concerned, can be used by companies whose primary source of income involves tracking people and selling access to data gleaned from tracking people, since they might be able to claim that they are not an external observer.

This seems like we can avoid confusion with a simple s/external observer/entities other than endpoints/.  However, we need to be careful to allow load balancers to do this at some level.

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<p>Connection IDs MUST NOT contain any information that can be used by an external observer (that is, one that does not cooperate with the issuer) to correlate them with other connection IDs for the same connection.<br>
I think it's worth paying particular attention to the phrase "external observer" as that is defined nowhere else in the RFC and, at least as far as I'm concerned, can be used by companies whose primary source of income involves tracking people and selling access to data gleaned from tracking people, since they might be able to claim that they are not an external observer.</p>
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<p>This seems like we can avoid confusion with a simple s/external observer/entities other than endpoints/.  However, we need to be careful to allow load balancers to do this at some level.</p>

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There are three separate questions here:
1) Can a client exceed the previous max_packet_size in 0RTT? Clearly not.
2) Does the server have to do anything if it receives packets that exceed the old value? This isn't clear to me.
3) Is the server allowed to advertise a lower max_packet_size in its new TPs? I can imagine some use cases to motivate a "yes", and it has the advantage of being what the text already says.

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<p>There are three separate questions here:</p>
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<li>Can a client exceed the previous max_packet_size in 0RTT? Clearly not.</li>
<li>Does the server have to do anything if it receives packets that exceed the old value? This isn't clear to me.</li>
<li>Is the server allowed to advertise a lower max_packet_size in its new TPs? I can imagine some use cases to motivate a "yes", and it has the advantage of being what the text already says.</li>
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I will note that we already had this discussion in #2467 (and it was the two of us!)

What are the use cases where max_packet_size would change?
- the server interface has changed and can't accept these anymore -- I would think this was de facto going to result in not accepting 0RTT if the packets were too large. I'm not sure why we would reject 0RTT packets that happened to fall under the new limit, in this case.
- the max_packet_size is being set for some other reason -- perhaps to match an MTU on the other side of a proxy, to reduce copying. Again, as a proxy implementer I'd probably take the data but dictate that future packets be correctly sized.

Is there some other use case I'm not aware of?

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<p>I will note that we already had this discussion in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="410529962" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2467" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2467/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2467">#2467</a> (and it was the two of us!)</p>
<p>What are the use cases where max_packet_size would change?</p>
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<li>the server interface has changed and can't accept these anymore -- I would think this was de facto going to result in not accepting 0RTT if the packets were too large. I'm not sure why we would reject 0RTT packets that happened to fall under the new limit, in this case.</li>
<li>the max_packet_size is being set for some other reason -- perhaps to match an MTU on the other side of a proxy, to reduce copying. Again, as a proxy implementer I'd probably take the data but dictate that future packets be correctly sized.</li>
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I do not like the idea of option 2.

I think 1 is likely ok, though if the server can process the 0-RTT packets, it's just sub-optimal performance-wise(as in @martinduke  second example) then it's a bit annoying to have to choose between not decreasing the MTU and rejecting 0-RTT.

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<p>I do not like the idea of option 2.</p>
<p>I think 1 is likely ok, though if the server can process the 0-RTT packets, it's just sub-optimal performance-wise(as in <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinduke/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinduke">@martinduke</a>  second example) then it's a bit annoying to have to choose between not decreasing the MTU and rejecting 0-RTT.</p>

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I don't think this is entirely correct. 0-RTT packets can still arrive before the ClientHello, and a server might have dropped those packets.

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<p>I don't think this is entirely correct. 0-RTT packets can still arrive before the ClientHello, and a server might have dropped those packets.</p>

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Thanks for pointing me here, Martin. :)

Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to the [second definition of Merrian-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation), seems to imply that even just two parties (one first-party and one third-party, for example) are cooperating on something, especially considering the example underneath given involves trade and economy.

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<p>Thanks for pointing me here, Martin. :)</p>
<p>Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to the <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation" rel="nofollow">second definition of Merrian-Webster</a>, seems to imply that even just two parties (one first-party and one third-party, for example) are cooperating on something, especially considering the example underneath given involves trade and economy.</p>

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On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:31 AM D. Ebdrup <notifications@github.com> wrote:

> Thanks for pointing me here, Martin. :)
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> Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to the second definition of
> Merrian-Webster <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation>,
> seems to imply that even just two parties (one first-party and one
> third-party, for example) are cooperating on something, especially
> considering the example underneath given involves trade and economy.
>

I agree with your definition, but I don't understand your point.


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&gt; Thanks for pointing me here, Martin. :)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to the second definition of<br>
&gt; Merrian-Webster &lt;https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation&gt;,<br>
&gt; seems to imply that even just two parties (one first-party and one<br>
&gt; third-party, for example) are cooperating on something, especially<br>
&gt; considering the example underneath given involves trade and economy.<br>
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I agree with your definition, but I don&#39;t understand your point.<br>


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> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:31 AM D. Ebdrup ***@***.***> wrote: Thanks for pointing me here, Martin. :) Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to the second definition of Merrian-Webster <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation>, seems to imply that even just two parties (one first-party and one third-party, for example) are cooperating on something, especially considering the example underneath given involves trade and economy.
> I agree with your definition, but I don't understand your point.

My point in the initial email to Martin was that the language seems to provide for companies to share Connection ID data, or data derived from it, with third parties -  so long as the companies have legal contracts defining that they are cooperating. That doesn't seem, to me at least, to be a good idea when a bit of more precise use of language (such as the regular expression above by Martin, with a modification to allow for load-balancers, as rightly pointed out) could very easily nip it in the butt, as it were. :)

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<p>On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:31 AM D. Ebdrup <em><strong>@</strong></em>.***&gt; wrote: Thanks for pointing me here, Martin. :) Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to the second definition of Merrian-Webster <a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation" rel="nofollow">https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation</a>, seems to imply that even just two parties (one first-party and one third-party, for example) are cooperating on something, especially considering the example underneath given involves trade and economy.<br>
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<p>My point in the initial email to Martin was that the language seems to provide for companies to share Connection ID data, or data derived from it, with third parties -  so long as the companies have legal contracts defining that they are cooperating. That doesn't seem, to me at least, to be a good idea when a bit of more precise use of language (such as the regular expression above by Martin, with a modification to allow for load-balancers, as rightly pointed out) could very easily nip it in the butt, as it were. :)</p>

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> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:31 AM D. Ebdrup *@*.***> wrote: Thanks for
> pointing me here, Martin. :) Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to
> the second definition of Merrian-Webster
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation, seems to imply
> that even just two parties (one first-party and one third-party, for
> example) are cooperating on something, especially considering the example
> underneath given involves trade and economy.
> I agree with your definition, but I don't understand your point.
>
> My point in the initial email to Martin was that the language seems to
> provide for companies to share Connection ID data, or data derived from it,
> with third parties - so long as the companies have legal contracts defining
> that they are cooperating.
>
Yes, or without contracts for that matter. The point of "cooperating" is
not to restrict commercial agreements but to technically define the privacy
properties we expect CID construction to provide.


> That doesn't seem, to me at least, to be a good idea when a bit of more
> precise use of language (such as the regular expression above by Martin,
> with a modification to allow for load-balancers, as rightly pointed out)
> could very easily nip it in the butt, as it were. :
>
I'm not particularly a huge fan of tracking either, but that's not the
issue here. We're not the protocol police and this text is not about
setting business policy. It's a technical requirement to forbid designs
which would be insecure.


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On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 7:05 AM D. Ebdrup &lt;notifications@github.com&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:31 AM D. Ebdrup *@*.***&gt; wrote: Thanks for<br>
&gt; pointing me here, Martin. :) Cooperation, to me and seemingly according to<br>
&gt; the second definition of Merrian-Webster<br>
&gt; https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cooperation, seems to imply<br>
&gt; that even just two parties (one first-party and one third-party, for<br>
&gt; example) are cooperating on something, especially considering the example<br>
&gt; underneath given involves trade and economy.<br>
&gt; I agree with your definition, but I don&#39;t understand your point.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My point in the initial email to Martin was that the language seems to<br>
&gt; provide for companies to share Connection ID data, or data derived from it,<br>
&gt; with third parties - so long as the companies have legal contracts defining<br>
&gt; that they are cooperating.<br>
&gt;<br>
Yes, or without contracts for that matter. The point of &quot;cooperating&quot; is<br>
not to restrict commercial agreements but to technically define the privacy<br>
properties we expect CID construction to provide.<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; That doesn&#39;t seem, to me at least, to be a good idea when a bit of more<br>
&gt; precise use of language (such as the regular expression above by Martin,<br>
&gt; with a modification to allow for load-balancers, as rightly pointed out)<br>
&gt; could very easily nip it in the butt, as it were. :<br>
&gt;<br>
I&#39;m not particularly a huge fan of tracking either, but that&#39;s not the<br>
issue here. We&#39;re not the protocol police and this text is not about<br>
setting business policy. It&#39;s a technical requirement to forbid designs<br>
which would be insecure.<br>


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Reverts quicwg/base-drafts#3442

I think this text needs clarification, but the reason I removed it was incorrect, because the reason these packets end up being declared lost is due to the timing of key availability and a peer dropping any packets it cannot decrypt immediately.  So the packets were in fact &#39;lost&#39;, but by the peer, not the network.

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<p>Reverts <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562172288" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3442" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3442/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3442">#3442</a></p>
<p>I think this text needs clarification, but the reason I removed it was incorrect, because the reason these packets end up being declared lost is due to the timing of key availability and a peer dropping any packets it cannot decrypt immediately.  So the packets were in fact 'lost', but by the peer, not the network.</p>
<p>Sorry for the churn.</p>

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Good point, I'll revert it for now and then create a PR to improve the text some and clarify exactly what case is being accomadated.
See #3449

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<p>Good point, I'll revert it for now and then create a PR to improve the text some and clarify exactly what case is being accomadated.<br>
See <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="563285174" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3449" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3449/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3449">#3449</a></p>

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marten-seemann approved this pull request.

The commit seems to change no files (?).



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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>The commit seems to change no files (?).</p>

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Interesting, that's my first time using revert.  I'll manually revert it I guess.

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<p>Interesting, that's my first time using revert.  I'll manually revert it I guess.</p>

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Short version:  The http-core draft is [contemplating changes](https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/pull/266) that describe the authoritative endpoint as being any endpoint that has the right certificate.  Alt-Svc and other mechanisms can give you additional ways to discover an authoritative endpoint to send requests to.

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<p>Short version:  The http-core draft is <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/pull/266" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http-core/pull/266/hovercard">contemplating changes</a> that describe the authoritative endpoint as being any endpoint that has the right certificate.  Alt-Svc and other mechanisms can give you additional ways to discover an authoritative endpoint to send requests to.</p>
<p>As to a DNS record, please see the <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop/dns-alt-svc/">SVCB and HTTPS</a> records (naming still TBD) which have been adopted by DNSop, which support exposing whether an endpoint supports TLS/TCP or QUIC.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-restore-undecryptable
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  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Restore "Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets"

And add some clarification.

Reverts #3442 with some additional changes



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And add some clarification.

Reverts #3442 with some additional changes
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450

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  * Restore &quot;Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets&quot;

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (11)

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<p>And add some clarification.</p>
<p>Reverts <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562172288" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3442" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3442/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3442">#3442</a> with some additional changes</p>

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Restore &quot;Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets&quot;</li>
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I guess that makes sense, and I don't really have an answer to it - I'm still just not sure about the phrasing, but there's nothing else I can come up with, beyond more precise language (which is one of the things I think RFCs are an excellent example of).

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<p>I guess that makes sense, and I don't really have an answer to it - I'm still just not sure about the phrasing, but there's nothing else I can come up with, beyond more precise language (which is one of the things I think RFCs are an excellent example of).</p>
<p>Thank you, at least, for taking the time to think about it.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-second-initial
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  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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91ced9e8d46e8d9b4a649f106bb5fd555b2fa818  Kazuho comments and remove one sentence


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ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks Kazuho, I made some minor updates, but can make further ones if you think they're needed.

> @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake
+keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.

True, suggestion taken.

> @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake
+keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. A client MAY send an ack-eliciting packet with no
+CRYPTO data if all Initial data has been acknowledged.  The PTO can only be
+shortened once in this way. Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation
+with exponential backoff.

Good question.  It is aimed at the case when there are no RTT estimates, but I think there are a few cases like the one you're outlining where speeding up retransmission of the Initial2 data from a standard PTO is sensible, even if the server gets an ACK of Initial1.  The PTO in this case is expected to be 3*RTT (SRTT + 4*RTTVar) vs 1*RTT if you follow this optimization.  Given that, any suggestions on changes?

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks Kazuho, I made some minor updates, but can make further ones if you think they're needed.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r377799020">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client&#39;s estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake
+keys it may assume some or all of the server&#39;s Initial packets were lost.
</pre>
<p>True, suggestion taken.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r377807179">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -519,6 +519,26 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client&#39;s estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake packets prior to obtaining Handshake
+keys it may assume some or all of the server&#39;s Initial packets were lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. A client MAY send an ack-eliciting packet with no
+CRYPTO data if all Initial data has been acknowledged.  The PTO can only be
+shortened once in this way. Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation
+with exponential backoff.
</pre>
<p>Good question.  It is aimed at the case when there are no RTT estimates, but I think there are a few cases like the one you're outlining where speeding up retransmission of the Initial2 data from a standard PTO is sensible, even if the server gets an ACK of Initial1.  The PTO in this case is expected to be 3<em>RTT (SRTT + 4</em>RTTVar) vs 1*RTT if you follow this optimization.  Given that, any suggestions on changes?</p>

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Should we restrict this to retransmittable frames that were lost in the packet? If it was a small packet, can I pack to the MTU? What about pure ACKs that I've declared lost?

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<p>Should we restrict this to retransmittable frames that were lost in the packet? If it was a small packet, can I pack to the MTU? What about pure ACKs that I've declared lost?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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  Make host specification more precise

This doesn't come out and say "don't use IP literals in SNI" because RFC
6066 does that amply.  Instead, it says that unless you have something
better, use SNI for domain names.  This turns out to be shorter than
what we had previously.

Closes #3324.



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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17f91c31a30849dfd227582f0adf8f0831c266a3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Make host specification more precise (#3326)

This doesn't come out and say "don't use IP literals in SNI" because RFC
6066 does that amply.  Instead, it says that unless you have something
better, use SNI for domain names.  This turns out to be shorter than
what we had previously.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 55dd0c287b2c2172314a2c1027683e990033cb12
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55dd0c287b2c2172314a2c1027683e990033cb12
  Author: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE (#3309)

* Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE

* wrap

* one or more

* Apply suggestions from code review

Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>

* Update "identical" definition

* Apply suggestions from code review from Lucas

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* Apply suggestions from Janacode review

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* Add motivation for duplicate push ids

* Apply suggestions from mbishop code review

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* Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md per mbishop

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* Use less

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  Clarify and split the "malformed" definition (#3352)

* Import more RFC7540 header text

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* Missed a multi-paragraph

* Missed some HTTP/2s

* Invalid message sequences are also malformed

* Review feedback

* Martin's feedback

* Framing errors are connection-fatal

* Reconcile with #3309



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<p>Closed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="549888170" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3345" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3345/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3345">#3345</a> via <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="551023981" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3352" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3352/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3352">#3352</a>.</p>

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Those are great questions.  There are two goals in my mind.  The first is to ensure loss recovery is not unnecessarily slower than TCP.  The second is to ensure this behavior isn't significantly more aggressive than TCP.  But within those bounds, I'm inclined to not be too restrictive, if that makes sense?  Suggestions welcome if you think they'd be an improvement.

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<p>Those are great questions.  There are two goals in my mind.  The first is to ensure loss recovery is not unnecessarily slower than TCP.  The second is to ensure this behavior isn't significantly more aggressive than TCP.  But within those bounds, I'm inclined to not be too restrictive, if that makes sense?  Suggestions welcome if you think they'd be an improvement.</p>

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Well the pedantic answer is that TCP would only detect a loss if there was something in the bytestream. the QUIC equivalents would then be any packet that contained STREAM, CRYPTO, MAX_STREAM_DATA, etc, plus any packet that flipped the key update bit. But not ACK, MAX_DATA, and other things that are in the TCP header. That is obviously a dumb way to approach things.

I don't actually have a strong opinion on this one way of the other, but if I read the draft correctly, the loss of an ACK-only packet will affect cwnd in QUIC but not TCP (granted, a cwnd-constrained endpoint sending pure ACKs is a corner case). So I guess I'd err on the side of permitting the packet in response to loss of an ACK, as we're already quite a bit less aggressive than TCP in that case.

Anyway, do we want any normative language against, say, using this permission to send high-priority new data instead of the lost data?

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<p>Well the pedantic answer is that TCP would only detect a loss if there was something in the bytestream. the QUIC equivalents would then be any packet that contained STREAM, CRYPTO, MAX_STREAM_DATA, etc, plus any packet that flipped the key update bit. But not ACK, MAX_DATA, and other things that are in the TCP header. That is obviously a dumb way to approach things.</p>
<p>I don't actually have a strong opinion on this one way of the other, but if I read the draft correctly, the loss of an ACK-only packet will affect cwnd in QUIC but not TCP (granted, a cwnd-constrained endpoint sending pure ACKs is a corner case). So I guess I'd err on the side of permitting the packet in response to loss of an ACK, as we're already quite a bit less aggressive than TCP in that case.</p>
<p>Anyway, do we want any normative language against, say, using this permission to send high-priority new data instead of the lost data?</p>

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>  Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not "https," the client
 MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme.  If the client intends
 to make requests for an origin whose scheme is "http", this means that it MUST
 obtain a valid `http-opportunistic` response for the origin as described in
 {{!RFC8164}} prior to making any such requests.  Other schemes might define
 other mechanisms.
 
+Servers are encouraged to maintain open connections for as long as possible but
+are permitted to terminate idle connections if necessary.  When either endpoint
+chooses to close the QUIC connection, the terminating endpoint SHOULD first send
+a GOAWAY frame ({{connection-shutdown}}) so that both endpoints can reliably
+determine whether previously sent frames have been processed and gracefully
+complete or terminate any necessary remaining tasks.

Possibly, but not a hard one.  GOAWAY permits the endpoints to agree on state, so I'm content not to order them.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r377953019">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not &quot;https,&quot; the client
 MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme.  If the client intends
 to make requests for an origin whose scheme is &quot;http&quot;, this means that it MUST
 obtain a valid `http-opportunistic` response for the origin as described in
 {{!RFC8164}} prior to making any such requests.  Other schemes might define
 other mechanisms.
 
+Servers are encouraged to maintain open connections for as long as possible but
+are permitted to terminate idle connections if necessary.  When either endpoint
+chooses to close the QUIC connection, the terminating endpoint SHOULD first send
+a GOAWAY frame ({{connection-shutdown}}) so that both endpoints can reliably
+determine whether previously sent frames have been processed and gracefully
+complete or terminate any necessary remaining tasks.
</pre>
<p>Possibly, but not a hard one.  GOAWAY permits the endpoints to agree on state, so I'm content not to order them.</p>

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> @@ -659,6 +704,15 @@ CANCEL_PUSH frame, the client can abort reading the stream with an error code of
 H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED. This asks the server not to transfer additional data and
 indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt.
 
+Pushed responses that are cacheable (see Section 3 of {{!RFC7234}}) can be

Push isn't part of the cache, but it does use the definition of "cacheable" -- do you think it should be pointing elsewhere?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r377953464">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -659,6 +704,15 @@ CANCEL_PUSH frame, the client can abort reading the stream with an error code of
 H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED. This asks the server not to transfer additional data and
 indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt.
 
+Pushed responses that are cacheable (see Section 3 of {{!RFC7234}}) can be
</pre>
<p>Push isn't part of the cache, but it does use the definition of "cacheable" -- do you think it should be pointing elsewhere?</p>

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Adding language against sending new data or data besides data that's been lost couples the "can I send" with "what should I send" questions more than I would like unless it's absolutely critical.

FYI, to be declared lost, it must be in-flight: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md#acknowledgement-based-detection-ack-loss-detection
"A packet is declared lost if it meets all the following conditions:
  * The packet is unacknowledged, in-flight, and was sent prior to an acknowledged packet."

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<p>Adding language against sending new data or data besides data that's been lost couples the "can I send" with "what should I send" questions more than I would like unless it's absolutely critical.</p>
<p>FYI, to be declared lost, it must be in-flight: <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md#acknowledgement-based-detection-ack-loss-detection">https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md#acknowledgement-based-detection-ack-loss-detection</a><br>
"A packet is declared lost if it meets all the following conditions:</p>
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<li>The packet is unacknowledged, in-flight, and was sent prior to an acknowledged packet."</li>
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afrind commented on this pull request.

Sorry this got ignored for so long.  Can you rebase it and I can merge it?  There's one minor comment inline

>  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of

I don't know that we need to say this, since the previous sentence explicitly says 'references to the entry in unacknowledged header blocks' and header blocks do not appear on the encoder stream.

Or maybe the sentence should just indicate that headers on the encoder stream that reference other headers do not count as a reference.

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Sorry this got ignored for so long.  Can you rebase it and I can merge it?  There's one minor comment inline</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#discussion_r377955554">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of
</pre>
<p>I don't know that we need to say this, since the previous sentence explicitly says 'references to the entry in unacknowledged header blocks' and header blocks do not appear on the encoder stream.</p>
<p>Or maybe the sentence should just indicate that headers on the encoder stream that reference other headers do not count as a reference.</p>

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  Import most H2 references


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: ab8059efd222e058c7cd7335840c7a7d45c5a859
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab8059efd222e058c7cd7335840c7a7d45c5a859
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  Tweak traffic analysis text (#3411)

This text was pretty good and more or less covered the problem already,
but I think that this might be slightly better.

Closes #2905.



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After some discussion, the "in-flight" condition here leads to an odd requirement.

> A packet is declared lost if it meets all the following conditions:
> * The packet is unacknowledged, in-flight, and was sent prior to an acknowledged packet.
> * [other stuff]

This says that lost ACK-only packets cannot be declared lost.  This buries a potential signal that might drive a congestion controller.

This comes from TCP.  In TCP, detecting loss of an ACK is impossible, but in QUIC, we can.  But this requirement essentially forbids that.  Implementations don't seem to be consistent on this point.

@ianswett says that if we change this, we should also mandate the acknowledgment of ACK-only packets when sending an ACK for other ACK-eliciting packets.

We could simply say that this is good and recognize that this requirement is consistent with not requiring ACKs for these.  Or we could take the signal and declare them lost.

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<p>After some discussion, the "in-flight" condition here leads to an odd requirement.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>A packet is declared lost if it meets all the following conditions:</p>
<ul>
<li>The packet is unacknowledged, in-flight, and was sent prior to an acknowledged packet.</li>
<li>[other stuff]</li>
</ul>
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<p>This says that lost ACK-only packets cannot be declared lost.  This buries a potential signal that might drive a congestion controller.</p>
<p>This comes from TCP.  In TCP, detecting loss of an ACK is impossible, but in QUIC, we can.  But this requirement essentially forbids that.  Implementations don't seem to be consistent on this point.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> says that if we change this, we should also mandate the acknowledgment of ACK-only packets when sending an ACK for other ACK-eliciting packets.</p>
<p>We could simply say that this is good and recognize that this requirement is consistent with not requiring ACKs for these.  Or we could take the signal and declare them lost.</p>

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That text was added as a compromise, basically reminding implementations that choosing to blow up their connection will lose any requests in flight, so you should have a good reason.

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<p>That text was added as a compromise, basically reminding implementations that choosing to blow up their connection will lose any requests in flight, so you should have a good reason.</p>

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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Just a nit, but LGTM.

> @@ -687,6 +687,12 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight
+now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window.  This speeds up loss
+recovery if the data in the lost packet is retransmitted and is similar to TCP
+as described in Section 5 of {{?RFC6675}}.  If further packets are lost after
+already in recovery, the congestion window MUST be observed as normal.

nit: "If further packets are lost while the sender is in recovery, sending any packets in response MUST obey the congestion window limit."

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Just a nit, but LGTM.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3443#discussion_r377961026">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -687,6 +687,12 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight
+now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window.  This speeds up loss
+recovery if the data in the lost packet is retransmitted and is similar to TCP
+as described in Section 5 of {{?RFC6675}}.  If further packets are lost after
+already in recovery, the congestion window MUST be observed as normal.
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<p>nit: "If further packets are lost while the sender is in recovery, sending any packets in response MUST obey the congestion window limit."</p>

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Ah, I think we're fine then.

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<p>Ah, I think we're fine then.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: 2af27a157234152c1b19d68ea827b5cfd31901bc
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  Merge pull request #3421 from quicwg/transport/extension_dragons

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> +other ack-eliciting frames to test for liveness before sending any data that
+cannot be retried safely.  Note that it is likely that only applications or
+application protocols will know what information can be retried.

You could cite RFC 8470...

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3414#discussion_r377965147">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +other ack-eliciting frames to test for liveness before sending any data that
+cannot be retried safely.  Note that it is likely that only applications or
+application protocols will know what information can be retried.
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  Log Message:
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  Redefine recovery period

Closes #3409.


  Commit: 27db33c26bc5cba57ba54c15425bbb7348aac46f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27db33c26bc5cba57ba54c15425bbb7348aac46f
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  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

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  Merge pull request #3410 from quicwg/recovery-period-dfn

Redefine recovery period


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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> -of transport and security experience, and implements mechanisms that make it
-attractive as a modern general-purpose transport.  The QUIC protocol is
-described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-
-QUIC implements the spirit of existing TCP congestion control and loss recovery
-mechanisms, described in RFCs, various Internet-drafts, and also those prevalent
-in the Linux TCP implementation.  This document describes QUIC congestion
-control and loss recovery, and where applicable, attributes the TCP equivalent
-in RFCs, Internet-drafts, academic papers, and/or TCP implementations.
-
+QUIC is a new multiplexed and secure transport protocol atop UDP, specified in
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. This document describes congestion control and loss
+recovery for QUIC. Mechanisms described in this document follow the spirit
+of existing TCP congestion control and loss recovery mechanisms, described in
+RFCs, various Internet-drafts, or academic papers, and also those prevalent in
+the Linux TCP implementation.

Do we need to privilege Linux, or can we simply say "TCP implementations"?

```suggestion
TCP implementations.
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  Fix #3405: Specify that active_connection_id_limit TP is an integer


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Fix #3405: Specify that active_connection_id_limit TP is an integer


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Eric Kinnear <ekinnear@apple.com>
  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Clarify that you can use any issued CID at any time, even during the handshake


  Commit: 8e532b07e8f56cc31ca53a84325ba5539d5a603c
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  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

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  Note that CIDs are valid in any packet type


  Commit: d105908807a6d5891ce81cdf3235bfd184322c5c
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  Merge pull request #3438 from erickinnear/ek/cid_during_handshake

#3348 Clarify that you can use any issued CID at any time, even during the handshake


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Ugh, editorial changes for a design issue.  Reopened for consensus calling.

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<p>Ugh, editorial changes for a design issue.  Reopened for consensus calling.</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client

```suggestion
When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate data in a CRYPTO frame, it can assume the client
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too

```suggestion
did not receive all of the server's CRYPTO data sent in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing

```suggestion
To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send a packet containing
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion

```suggestion
### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as

```suggestion
unacknowledged CRYPTO data, subject to path validation limits, earlier than the PTO period.
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. The PTO MUST only be shortened once in this way.

```suggestion
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. The PTO MUST only be shortened once in this way.
+Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation with exponential backoff.

```suggestion
```

> @@ -519,6 +519,25 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. The PTO MUST only be shortened once in this way.
+Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation with exponential backoff.
+
+Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure each datagram elicits at least

```suggestion
Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicits at least
```

> +### Speeding Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. The PTO MUST only be shortened once in this way.
+Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation with exponential backoff.
+
+Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing a PING and PADDING with 0-RTT data packets and a server can

```suggestion
containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
```

> +
+When a server receives duplicate Initial CRYPTO data, it can assume the client
+did not receive all Initial CRYPTO data or the client's estimated RTT is too
+small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining
+Handshake keys it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were
+lost.
+
+To speed handshake completion, either peer MAY send a packet containing
+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits, as
+though the PTO expired. The PTO MUST only be shortened once in this way.
+Subsequently, the PTO uses the normal calculation with exponential backoff.
+
+Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing a PING and PADDING with 0-RTT data packets and a server can
+coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING with one or more packets in

```suggestion
coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
```

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+unacknowledged Initial CRYPTO data subject to the path validation limits=
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  add note on pacing and editorialze


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  add a reference to sec 6.9 without recommendation


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  Merge pull request #3301 from quicwg/jri/flow-control

Don't recommend 3 RTTs of credit (and other editorial)


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This is trickier than I had imagined.  Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE is
probably fine, but it's harder to do this correctly now.  You can't just
send an unauthenticated CONNECTION_CLOSE because that might disrupt a
real connection.  So there are two goals in tension:

1. Don't kill an active connection (attempt) unnecessarily.

2. Provide feedback about errors.

The observation is that an attacker can disrupt connections by eliciting
a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so feedback naturally leads to an exposure to a DoS
attack.  That's unfortunate, but we have established that we don't care
about DoS by an on-path attacker prior to handshake completion.
Anything we do here has got to be best effort.

DoS prevention would say that you just discard junk, and that is
probably the right answer.  But we have a number of cases where the
robustness of the system depends on getting feedback.

Either way, we agreed to allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, so the
exposure exists anyway.  So this contains advice.  Maybe too much
advice, but I thought that I'd see what people thought.

Closes #3269.


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  Does this help?


  Commit: e99cd67f95601f37b2b6930f28693b7d3a1044aa
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e99cd67f95601f37b2b6930f28693b7d3a1044aa
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
    A metadata.min.js

  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'master' into close-small-initial


  Commit: f302f3ec69913684ce35c61df7fb0fd9a461e3bf
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f302f3ec69913684ce35c61df7fb0fd9a461e3bf
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Stateless immediate close

This says that immediate close when you don't have state doesn't have to
establish state.  Thus, if an endpoint has to immediately close, which
can do so without entering the closing period, which would establish
state.  It makes a general statement, which is that during the handshake
- that is, for unauthenticated inputs - packets can be discarded rather
than causing an immediate close.

This greatly simplifies the text for a small initial.  Now it only needs
to say "MUST discard, MAY immediate close as well".


  Commit: 7864bda6e4dd98d9e033ce49be4350d849b7f361
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7864bda6e4dd98d9e033ce49be4350d849b7f361
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Rewording suggestions

Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 47228989491e2cdf3606c5d9745c43fb8aac2afd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/47228989491e2cdf3606c5d9745c43fb8aac2afd
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Rewrap


  Commit: 6971443498f64d31ec7bebeadfe2215e21c4b19a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6971443498f64d31ec7bebeadfe2215e21c4b19a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Refer to fields properly


  Commit: 5020e34e82d19398cb90acb3a450d6e140e4bf9a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5020e34e82d19398cb90acb3a450d6e140e4bf9a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
    R initial-protection.js
    R metadata.min.js
    A protection-samples.js

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Merge branch 'master' into close-small-initial


  Commit: f45e58d6934099faa40a8d569e50b2bcf21015db
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f45e58d6934099faa40a8d569e50b2bcf21015db
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Merge pull request #3292 from quicwg/close-small-initial

Define stateless CONNECTION_CLOSE


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/922bd62ad235...f45e58d69340


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Date:   2019-12-17 (Tue, 17 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Allow use of token after client address change


  Commit: 42a4c290e6752593fead4059be6f71ef9fe0cde6
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

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  Merge pull request #3308 from quicwg/jri/token

Allow use of token after client address change


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f45e58d69340...42a4c290e675


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This makes the text more concrete.  Much more concrete.

Closes #2125.


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@ekr and @kazuho would you mind taking a look at these changes.  I considered doing a follow-up, but I'm going to ask the chairs to re-run the consensus call for this instead.

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Chairs,

This is an odd one.  Late comments mean that I think we need to re-do the process on this.  Do you want `proposal-ready` again, or what?

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<p>This is an odd one.  Late comments mean that I think we need to re-do the process on this.  Do you want <code>proposal-ready</code> again, or what?</p>

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Seems like we have covered this one.  Closing with no action.

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<p>Seems like we have covered this one.  Closing with no action.</p>

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<p>Looks good.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Generally good.  A few corner cases seem problematic though.

> -requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!HTTP2}}.
+{{frame-push-promise}}) on the request stream which generated the push. This
+allows the server push to be associated with a client request.
+
+Not all requests can be pushed.  A server MAY push requests which have the
+following properties:
+
+- cacheable (see Section 4.2.3 of [RFC7231])
+- safe (see Section 4.2.1 of [RFC7231])
+- does not include a request body
+
+Clients SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame upon receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame
+carrying a request which is not cacheable, is not known to be safe, or that
+indicates the presence of a request body.  If the pushed response arrives on a
+push stream, this MAY be treated as a stream error of type
+H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR.

This is a bit weird in the sense that some of this is just an error.  If I get a PUSH_PROMISE with `Content-Length > 0`, why would I cancel it rather than treat that as an error?  

Whether something is "cacheable" might be unknowable based on the request alone, but some errors are pretty sharp.  There are other cases which are less clear too, such as `Content-Type` maybe indicating the presence of a request body, so I get how this might be tricky to handle in the general case.

> -{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+In HTTP/1.x, CONNECT is used to convert an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel
+to a remote host. In HTTP/2 and HTTP/3, the CONNECT method is used to establish
+a tunnel over a single stream.
+
+A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The ":method" pseudo-header field is set to "CONNECT"
+- The ":scheme" and ":path" pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The ":authority" pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+
+A CONNECT request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
+{{malformed}}).  The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the
+request.

This last sentence can go.  It is entirely valid for the request stream to be closed without sending anything, though it is admittedly not always very useful.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Generally good.  A few corner cases seem problematic though.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r377984635">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!HTTP2}}.
+{{frame-push-promise}}) on the request stream which generated the push. This
+allows the server push to be associated with a client request.
+
+Not all requests can be pushed.  A server MAY push requests which have the
+following properties:
+
+- cacheable (see Section 4.2.3 of [RFC7231])
+- safe (see Section 4.2.1 of [RFC7231])
+- does not include a request body
+
+Clients SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame upon receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame
+carrying a request which is not cacheable, is not known to be safe, or that
+indicates the presence of a request body.  If the pushed response arrives on a
+push stream, this MAY be treated as a stream error of type
+H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR.
</pre>
<p>This is a bit weird in the sense that some of this is just an error.  If I get a PUSH_PROMISE with <code>Content-Length &gt; 0</code>, why would I cancel it rather than treat that as an error?</p>
<p>Whether something is "cacheable" might be unknowable based on the request alone, but some errors are pretty sharp.  There are other cases which are less clear too, such as <code>Content-Type</code> maybe indicating the presence of a request body, so I get how this might be tricky to handle in the general case.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r377985897">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+In HTTP/1.x, CONNECT is used to convert an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel
+to a remote host. In HTTP/2 and HTTP/3, the CONNECT method is used to establish
+a tunnel over a single stream.
+
+A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The &quot;:method&quot; pseudo-header field is set to &quot;CONNECT&quot;
+- The &quot;:scheme&quot; and &quot;:path&quot; pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The &quot;:authority&quot; pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+
+A CONNECT request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
+{{malformed}}).  The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the
+request.
</pre>
<p>This last sentence can go.  It is entirely valid for the request stream to be closed without sending anything, though it is admittedly not always very useful.</p>

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kazuho commented on this pull request.

@martinthomson Thank you for the ping. LGTM modulo the point below.

> @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.

Would it make sense to change "though..." to something like: "unless the server can assume that the address change happened within the same network (e.g., NAT rebinding)."?

The reason I suggest this change is because client address might change due to reasons other than NAT, for example, DHCP or SLAAC.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> Thank you for the ping. LGTM modulo the point below.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r377993404">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.
</pre>
<p>Would it make sense to change "though..." to something like: "unless the server can assume that the address change happened within the same network (e.g., NAT rebinding)."?</p>
<p>The reason I suggest this change is because client address might change due to reasons other than NAT, for example, DHCP or SLAAC.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.

I think that new mappings at a NAT are all I really want to allow for here, recognizing that this is likely indistinguishable from a new address from SLAAC or a DHCP lease.

We shouldn't really want a server to spray packets at unwitting hosts within the network just because another one of those hosts has a valid token, more so for large carrier-grade NATs.  But nor can we realistically prevent that, so this needs to be a little squishy.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r377995957">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.
</pre>
<p>I think that new mappings at a NAT are all I really want to allow for here, recognizing that this is likely indistinguishable from a new address from SLAAC or a DHCP lease.</p>
<p>We shouldn't really want a server to spray packets at unwitting hosts within the network just because another one of those hosts has a valid token, more so for large carrier-grade NATs.  But nor can we realistically prevent that, so this needs to be a little squishy.</p>

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I do not think we need to allow ACK-only packets to be declared lost in the specification. That's something an implementation _might_ do.

At the same time, I'd point out that QUIC is designed on the premise that "acknowledgment of ACK-only packets when sending an ACK for other ACK-eliciting packets." The most prominent example is [section 13.2.4](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-limiting-ack-ranges); the entire section is based on the assumption that an endpoint behaves that way. Therefore, we should be clear about the requirement, if we aren't already clear about that.

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<p>I do not think we need to allow ACK-only packets to be declared lost in the specification. That's something an implementation <em>might</em> do.</p>
<p>At the same time, I'd point out that QUIC is designed on the premise that "acknowledgment of ACK-only packets when sending an ACK for other ACK-eliciting packets." The most prominent example is <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-limiting-ack-ranges" rel="nofollow">section 13.2.4</a>; the entire section is based on the assumption that an endpoint behaves that way. Therefore, we should be clear about the requirement, if we aren't already clear about that.</p>

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> @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.

Thank you for the response. To me it seems that what we are actually looking for is an upper-case SHOULD that limits the scope of NEW_TOKEN tokens to one IP address. IMO that is the basis that we need to state. In addition, we can talk about when the scope can be wider, but that is less important.

I am not sure where the upper-case SHOULD should go into. It could be this section or [section 8.1.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-address-validation-for-futu). But assuming that it is the former, maybe we can replace this paragraph with something as simple as: "Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is stable."

WDYT?

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r378005184">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.
</pre>
<p>Thank you for the response. To me it seems that what we are actually looking for is an upper-case SHOULD that limits the scope of NEW_TOKEN tokens to one IP address. IMO that is the basis that we need to state. In addition, we can talk about when the scope can be wider, but that is less important.</p>
<p>I am not sure where the upper-case SHOULD should go into. It could be this section or <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-address-validation-for-futu" rel="nofollow">section 8.1.3</a>. But assuming that it is the former, maybe we can replace this paragraph with something as simple as: "Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is stable."</p>
<p>WDYT?</p>

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We should at least recognize that ACK-only packets can be declared lost.  One interpretation of the current text is that ACK-only packets MUST NOT be declared lost.

The reason that you might not want to declare these as lost that is that the requirements for acknowledging ACK-only packets are (necessarily) more loose than ACK-eliciting packets.  But I believe that it is simpler to allow code to declare them lost.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you have one fewer condition if you ignore whether a packet is in flight or not when doing loss detection.  It is also likely better to mark lost ACKs as lost as it means that you don't ignore a potential congestion signal.

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<p>We should at least recognize that ACK-only packets can be declared lost.  One interpretation of the current text is that ACK-only packets MUST NOT be declared lost.</p>
<p>The reason that you might not want to declare these as lost that is that the requirements for acknowledging ACK-only packets are (necessarily) more loose than ACK-eliciting packets.  But I believe that it is simpler to allow code to declare them lost.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you have one fewer condition if you ignore whether a packet is in flight or not when doing loss detection.  It is also likely better to mark lost ACKs as lost as it means that you don't ignore a potential congestion signal.</p>

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The problem is that a loss event has impact on CC, which applies to the amount of data the endpoint sends.

IIUC, the basis of CC is that an endpoint throttles the bandwidth *it* uses based on the loss rate of data *it* sent. However, generation of ACKs is not controlled by the endpoint. It's controlled by the peer.

Consider the case of in-flight wifi that uses a satellite link. The client (web browser) could be sending far more ACK-only packets than ACK-eliciting packets. In such case, I am concerned about the impact of taking loss of ACK-only packets into calculation.

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<p>The problem is that a loss event has impact on CC, which applies to the amount of data the endpoint sends.</p>
<p>IIUC, the basis of CC is that an endpoint throttles the bandwidth <em>it</em> uses based on the loss rate of data <em>it</em> sent. However, generation of ACKs is not controlled by the endpoint. It's controlled by the peer.</p>
<p>Consider the case of in-flight wifi that uses a satellite link. The client (web browser) could be sending far more ACK-only packets than ACK-eliciting packets. In such case, I am concerned about the impact of taking loss of ACK-only packets into calculation.</p>

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I don't follow that argument.

There's a simpler one: if sending packets causes congestion such that loss (or ECN-CE marking) occurs, then ignoring that signal means that you will likely create more congestion.

I don't see how the relationship to inbound packets is relevant here.  There are many ways in which the rate of outbound packets might be determined by inbound packets.  Servers answers requests, after all.  And if ACK-only packets are the dominant use of a link, then deliberately ignoring signals from them likely only drives send rates up to unsustainable levels; and that's on top of not counting those packets toward limits (something that is necessary).

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<p>I don't follow that argument.</p>
<p>There's a simpler one: if sending packets causes congestion such that loss (or ECN-CE marking) occurs, then ignoring that signal means that you will likely create more congestion.</p>
<p>I don't see how the relationship to inbound packets is relevant here.  There are many ways in which the rate of outbound packets might be determined by inbound packets.  Servers answers requests, after all.  And if ACK-only packets are the dominant use of a link, then deliberately ignoring signals from them likely only drives send rates up to unsustainable levels; and that's on top of not counting those packets toward limits (something that is necessary).</p>

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Let my paraphrase.

> There's a simpler one: if sending packets causes congestion such that loss (or ECN-CE marking) occurs, then ignoring that signal means that you will likely create more congestion.

Are you arguing that an endpoint SHOULD throttle the rate in which it sends ACK-only packets, when some of those ACK-only packets are being lost?

I would assume that your answer is no, and that is because send-rate of ACKs are not controlled by the endpoint. It is controlled by the peer that is sending data.

Up until now, CC is per-direction. An endpoint sends data at a rate controlled by ACKs sent by peer in response. The other side does the same thing, individually.

While I do not dispute the fact that *ideally* we should take the loss of ACK-only packets into consideration, my argument is that we are not at that point (yet), because we do not control the send-rate of ACK-only packets.

Using the loss of ACK-only packets without controlling the send-rate of ACK-only packets based on their loss essentially means that we are going to prioritize emission of ACKs above data. This would be a departure from the per-direction CC design that we have now.

As I stated in my previous comment, I am concerned about the negative impacts that the change in design might cause.

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<p>Let my paraphrase.</p>
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<p>There's a simpler one: if sending packets causes congestion such that loss (or ECN-CE marking) occurs, then ignoring that signal means that you will likely create more congestion.</p>
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<p>Are you arguing that an endpoint SHOULD throttle the rate in which it sends ACK-only packets, when some of those ACK-only packets are being lost?</p>
<p>I would assume that your answer is no, and that is because send-rate of ACKs are not controlled by the endpoint. It is controlled by the peer that is sending data.</p>
<p>Up until now, CC is per-direction. An endpoint sends data at a rate controlled by ACKs sent by peer in response. The other side does the same thing, individually.</p>
<p>While I do not dispute the fact that <em>ideally</em> we should take the loss of ACK-only packets into consideration, my argument is that we are not at that point (yet), because we do not control the send-rate of ACK-only packets.</p>
<p>Using the loss of ACK-only packets without controlling the send-rate of ACK-only packets based on their loss essentially means that we are going to prioritize emission of ACKs above data. This would be a departure from the per-direction CC design that we have now.</p>
<p>As I stated in my previous comment, I am concerned about the negative impacts that the change in design might cause.</p>

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> Using the loss of ACK-only packets without controlling the send-rate of ACK-only packets based on their loss essentially means that we are going to prioritize emission of ACKs above data. This would be a departure from the per-direction CC design that we have now.

Can't find the text right now, but I thought that ack-only packets are not blocked by the congestion controller. At least that's what I implemented in quic-go.

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<p>Using the loss of ACK-only packets without controlling the send-rate of ACK-only packets based on their loss essentially means that we are going to prioritize emission of ACKs above data. This would be a departure from the per-direction CC design that we have now.</p>
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<p>Can't find the text right now, but I thought that ack-only packets are not blocked by the congestion controller. At least that's what I implemented in quic-go.</p>

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@marten-seemann is right.  You don't allow ACK-only packets to be limited by the congestion controller.  I believe that don't is "can't" in practice.

And we should prioritize acknowledgements over data.  There's a point where you can't do anything but ACK, but that's the case no matter what we decide here.

All I'm saying is that loss of an ACK-only packet is a signal that we are being encouraged to ignore right now, for no good reason.

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<p>And we should prioritize acknowledgements over data.  There's a point where you can't do anything but ACK, but that's the case no matter what we decide here.</p>
<p>All I'm saying is that loss of an ACK-only packet is a signal that we are being encouraged to ignore right now, for no good reason.</p>

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> @marten-seemann is right. You don't allow ACK-only packets to be limited by the congestion controller. I believe that don't is "can't" in practice.

Agreed.

> And we should prioritize acknowledgements over data. There's a point where you can't do anything but ACK, but that's the case no matter what we decide here.
> 
> All I'm saying is that loss of an ACK-only packet is a signal that we are being encouraged to ignore right now, for no good reason.

Yeah. I might agree that there is "no good reason" to agree. But my argument is that simply saying that an endpoint MAY take loss of ACK-only packets into consideration does not fix the problem.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but CC is designed as a feedback loop between send-rate adjustment and loss observation. Including loss of ACK-only packets to the latter, without adjusting the send-rate of ACK-only packets is going to change the equation.

Let's consider an example. Consider the case of a satellite link that has 1000ms RTT, 1Mb/s downstream bandwidth. When the downstream path is fully utilized, there would be ~100 downstream packets per second (or per RTT), which means that there would be ~50 ACKs being sent to upstream.

Let's assume that the loss rate of packets sent to upstream is 2%, regardless of the packet size. Under the status quo, CWND to upstream would be ~8 packets, because on average one loss would be observed per every 50 ACK-eliciting packets being sent. However, if we are to take into consideration the loss of ACK-only packets, the outcome would be that packet loss would be observed at a probability of 70% for each RTT. I think that would lead us to a CWND size of 2 packets or below.

One might argue that the loss rate is actually proportional to the size of packets, rather than the number of packets. So let's assume that the size of an ACK-only packet is typically 100 bytes. That does move a needle a bit, but I think the problem still exists. Assume that MTU is 1400 bytes, loss rate being 10% / MTU, ACK-eliciting packet are always full-sized, and that ACK-only packets are 50 bytes long. In status quo, I think that CWND would be somewhere between 2 MTU to 3 MTU (because the loss rate is 10% / MTU). But once we take the loss of ACK-only packets into consideration, the observed loss rate per RTT becomes 1.5x~2x, because the amount of data being sent per RTT increases by 50*50=2500 bytes. That would lead to a noticeable reduction of CWND size.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/marten-seemann/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/marten-seemann">@marten-seemann</a> is right. You don't allow ACK-only packets to be limited by the congestion controller. I believe that don't is "can't" in practice.</p>
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<p>Agreed.</p>
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<p>And we should prioritize acknowledgements over data. There's a point where you can't do anything but ACK, but that's the case no matter what we decide here.</p>
<p>All I'm saying is that loss of an ACK-only packet is a signal that we are being encouraged to ignore right now, for no good reason.</p>
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<p>Yeah. I might agree that there is "no good reason" to agree. But my argument is that simply saying that an endpoint MAY take loss of ACK-only packets into consideration does not fix the problem.</p>
<p>Please correct me if I am wrong, but CC is designed as a feedback loop between send-rate adjustment and loss observation. Including loss of ACK-only packets to the latter, without adjusting the send-rate of ACK-only packets is going to change the equation.</p>
<p>Let's consider an example. Consider the case of a satellite link that has 1000ms RTT, 1Mb/s downstream bandwidth. When the downstream path is fully utilized, there would be ~100 downstream packets per second (or per RTT), which means that there would be ~50 ACKs being sent to upstream.</p>
<p>Let's assume that the loss rate of packets sent to upstream is 2%, regardless of the packet size. Under the status quo, CWND to upstream would be ~8 packets, because on average one loss would be observed per every 50 ACK-eliciting packets being sent. However, if we are to take into consideration the loss of ACK-only packets, the outcome would be that packet loss would be observed at a probability of 70% for each RTT. I think that would lead us to a CWND size of 2 packets or below.</p>
<p>One might argue that the loss rate is actually proportional to the size of packets, rather than the number of packets. So let's assume that the size of an ACK-only packet is typically 100 bytes. That does move a needle a bit, but I think the problem still exists. Assume that MTU is 1400 bytes, loss rate being 10% / MTU, ACK-eliciting packet are always full-sized, and that ACK-only packets are 50 bytes long. In status quo, I think that CWND would be somewhere between 2 MTU to 3 MTU (because the loss rate is 10% / MTU). But once we take the loss of ACK-only packets into consideration, the observed loss rate per RTT becomes 1.5x~2x, because the amount of data being sent per RTT increases by 50*50=2500 bytes. That would lead to a noticeable reduction of CWND size.</p>

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dtikhonov requested changes on this pull request.



>  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of

I don't agree with introducing the concept of "an unacknowledged reference on the encoder stream."  In the current version of the draft (12), the term "unacknowledged reference" always implies a reference from the header block.  In addition, only insertions and header blocks can be acknowledged.

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<p><b>@dtikhonov</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#discussion_r378265470">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of
</pre>
<p>I don't agree with introducing the concept of "an unacknowledged reference on the encoder stream."  In the current version of the draft (12), the term "unacknowledged reference" always implies a reference from the header block.  In addition, only insertions and header blocks can be acknowledged.</p>

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I'd prefer to keep this as is, because I think ensuring everything works correctly with an updated design is going to be a bit complex and potentially error prone, and I don't see any value in the change.

For example, when an ACK is lost, if the CWND is reduced, that doesn't reduce the rate of ACKs, it just reduces the rate of sending future data.  Because ACKs do not count towards bytes in flight, the congestion window would never increase if a peer is only sending ACKs, so we'd be putting peers in a situation that the CWND could decrease, but never increase.  That alone seems sub-optimal.

FWIW, I do believe we discussed this at length a few years ago and ended up where we did because of (at least) three points:
1) ACKs are not required to be acknowledged, even once.
2) This is very similar to what TCP does.
3) Congestion controlling ACKs is a research topic.

@martinthomson We track lost packets for a while in case they were declared lost too early, so the existing design is quite natural and a bit simpler.

If in QUICv2/etc we think it's worth making ACK-only packets congestion controlled and count towards bytes in flight, I think that would be a more holistically appealing design.  I also think it's quite a bit of work and research to get right.

But I do think we should make this point a bit clearer in recovery and articulate why this choice was made.

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<p>I'd prefer to keep this as is, because I think ensuring everything works correctly with an updated design is going to be a bit complex and potentially error prone, and I don't see any value in the change.</p>
<p>For example, when an ACK is lost, if the CWND is reduced, that doesn't reduce the rate of ACKs, it just reduces the rate of sending future data.  Because ACKs do not count towards bytes in flight, the congestion window would never increase if a peer is only sending ACKs, so we'd be putting peers in a situation that the CWND could decrease, but never increase.  That alone seems sub-optimal.</p>
<p>FWIW, I do believe we discussed this at length a few years ago and ended up where we did because of (at least) three points:</p>
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<li>ACKs are not required to be acknowledged, even once.</li>
<li>This is very similar to what TCP does.</li>
<li>Congestion controlling ACKs is a research topic.</li>
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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> We track lost packets for a while in case they were declared lost too early, so the existing design is quite natural and a bit simpler.</p>
<p>If in QUICv2/etc we think it's worth making ACK-only packets congestion controlled and count towards bytes in flight, I think that would be a more holistically appealing design.  I also think it's quite a bit of work and research to get right.</p>
<p>But I do think we should make this point a bit clearer in recovery and articulate why this choice was made.</p>

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I agree with Martin, there is no reason to ignore loss of ACKs as a signal. What you do with this information is a different question. There have been proposals for "ACK congestion control" in the past which basically means that you may adjust your ACK rate (e.g. if you send an ACK for every second packet you could easily reduce that rate if possible by your indicated max ack delay). I'm not saying we should specify any "ACK congestion control" but we should definitely make it possible to enable future experimentation on this.

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<p>I agree with Martin, there is no reason to ignore loss of ACKs as a signal. What you do with this information is a different question. There have been proposals for "ACK congestion control" in the past which basically means that you may adjust your ACK rate (e.g. if you send an ACK for every second packet you could easily reduce that rate if possible by your indicated max ack delay). I'm not saying we should specify any "ACK congestion control" but we should definitely make it possible to enable future experimentation on this.</p>

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I'd be happy to add text that says:
"You MAY detect the loss of ACK-only packets and use that information to adjust the congestion controller or the rate of ACK-only packets being sent, but this document does not describe a mechanism for doing so."

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<p>I'd be happy to add text that says:<br>
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -687,6 +687,12 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight
+now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window.  This speeds up loss
+recovery if the data in the lost packet is retransmitted and is similar to TCP
+as described in Section 5 of {{?RFC6675}}.  If further packets are lost after
+already in recovery, the congestion window MUST be observed as normal.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3443#discussion_r378351929">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -687,6 +687,12 @@ The recovery period limits congestion window reduction to once per round trip.
 During recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged irrespective of new
 losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
+When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight
+now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window.  This speeds up loss
+recovery if the data in the lost packet is retransmitted and is similar to TCP
+as described in Section 5 of {{?RFC6675}}.  If further packets are lost after
+already in recovery, the congestion window MUST be observed as normal.
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HTTP-core is making some terminology changes that HTTP/3 should track:
- In https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/245#issuecomment-581870588, "non-final" responses are "interim" responses
- In https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/312, terminology around header, field, value is changing

Related to #1523, but this is more than just pointing at the new documents.

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<p>HTTP-core is making some terminology changes that HTTP/3 should track:</p>
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<li>In <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="488111425" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/245" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http-core/issues/245/hovercard?comment_id=581870588&amp;comment_type=issue_comment" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/245#issuecomment-581870588">httpwg/http-core#245 (comment)</a>, "non-final" responses are "interim" responses</li>
<li>In <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560257406" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/312" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http-core/issues/312/hovercard" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/312">httpwg/http-core#312</a>, terminology around header, field, value is changing</li>
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<p>Related to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="338648153" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1523" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1523/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1523">#1523</a>, but this is more than just pointing at the new documents.</p>

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In fairness, the outcome documented on that issue and the minutes from Cupertino was that, if we decide to make *this* change, the modified layout would be considered as part of it.

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<p>In fairness, the outcome documented on that issue and the minutes from Cupertino was that, if we decide to make <em>this</em> change, the modified layout would be considered as part of it.</p>

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> @@ -2420,20 +2420,21 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
-flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Only restarting when sending after receipt of a packet ensures the idle timeout
+is not excessively lengthened past the time the peer's timeout has expired.

I think the change is in response to [my comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099/files/e4dd819fb3939e82c668b52076f7d89d500b8e3f#r340837260), that you also need to clarify why it's not sufficient to reset it on every packet you send.  Basically, we've chosen a more complicated condition than "on receive" or "on send," and we should justify why the simpler conditions don't work.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3444#discussion_r378465590">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2420,20 +2420,21 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
-flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Only restarting when sending after receipt of a packet ensures the idle timeout
+is not excessively lengthened past the time the peer&#39;s timeout has expired.
</pre>
<p>I think the change is in response to <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099/files/e4dd819fb3939e82c668b52076f7d89d500b8e3f#r340837260">my comment</a>, that you also need to clarify why it's not sufficient to reset it on every packet you send.  Basically, we've chosen a more complicated condition than "on receive" or "on send," and we should justify why the simpler conditions don't work.</p>

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ianswett approved this pull request.

This seems fine, though I'm curious what the intent is if a GOAWAY is sent with the incorrect stream type?

> -the GOAWAY frame, those requests will not be processed and MAY be retried by the
-client on a different connection.  The client MAY cancel these requests.  It is
-RECOMMENDED that the server explicitly reject such requests (see
-{{request-cancellation}}) in order to clean up transport state for the affected
-streams.
-
-Requests on Stream IDs less than the Stream ID in the GOAWAY frame might have
-been processed; their status cannot be known until a response is received, the
-stream is reset individually, or the connection terminates.  Servers MAY reject
-individual requests on streams below the indicated ID if these requests were not
-processed.
+connection and initiate a graceful connection close.  Endpoints initiate the
+graceful shutdown of a connection by sending a GOAWAY frame ({{frame-goaway}}).
+The GOAWAY frame contains an identifier that indicates to the receiver the range
+of requests or pushes that were or might be processed in this connection.  The
+server sends a client-initiated bidirectional Stream ID; the client sends a Push

To be clear, this means if I don't want to accept more requests, I can just increment the largest request's stream ID by 1 and send it, as it seems like there is no requirement to send the correct type of stream ID?  If so, you could remove this sentence and not imply that one is supposed to send the correct type.

>  
 ~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                          Stream ID (i)                      ...
+|                  Stream ID/Push ID (i)                      ...

Sometimes using one ID space and sometimes using the other still seems odd to me, but it's where we're at.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This seems fine, though I'm curious what the intent is if a GOAWAY is sent with the incorrect stream type?</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129#discussion_r378387359">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -the GOAWAY frame, those requests will not be processed and MAY be retried by the
-client on a different connection.  The client MAY cancel these requests.  It is
-RECOMMENDED that the server explicitly reject such requests (see
-{{request-cancellation}}) in order to clean up transport state for the affected
-streams.
-
-Requests on Stream IDs less than the Stream ID in the GOAWAY frame might have
-been processed; their status cannot be known until a response is received, the
-stream is reset individually, or the connection terminates.  Servers MAY reject
-individual requests on streams below the indicated ID if these requests were not
-processed.
+connection and initiate a graceful connection close.  Endpoints initiate the
+graceful shutdown of a connection by sending a GOAWAY frame ({{frame-goaway}}).
+The GOAWAY frame contains an identifier that indicates to the receiver the range
+of requests or pushes that were or might be processed in this connection.  The
+server sends a client-initiated bidirectional Stream ID; the client sends a Push
</pre>
<p>To be clear, this means if I don't want to accept more requests, I can just increment the largest request's stream ID by 1 and send it, as it seems like there is no requirement to send the correct type of stream ID?  If so, you could remove this sentence and not imply that one is supposed to send the correct type.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3129#discussion_r378466546">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 ~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                          Stream ID (i)                      ...
+|                  Stream ID/Push ID (i)                      ...
</pre>
<p>Sometimes using one ID space and sometimes using the other still seems odd to me, but it's where we're at.</p>

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If the server isn't willing at all to handle connections on its published IP address, then (naively) it shouldn't accept connections on that IP address and should publish the other one instead.  The scenario this targets is that it's somehow *better* for the client to use a different address, but that other address can't necessarily be known in advance.

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<p>If the server isn't willing at all to handle connections on its published IP address, then (naively) it shouldn't accept connections on that IP address and should publish the other one instead.  The scenario this targets is that it's somehow <em>better</em> for the client to use a different address, but that other address can't necessarily be known in advance.</p>

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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

This feels a little sticky:
- App-level CLOSE MUST only be sent in 0-RTT or 1-RTT
- If you're sending a CLOSE in 0-RTT, you OUGHT TO repeat it in an Initial packet, except that you can't if it's application-level.

Does that explicitly mean sending two different error codes at the two levels?

> -client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
-least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be
-unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in
-Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake.  These packets
-can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.
+* A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+  {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether
+  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame of type
+  0x1c in an Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive
+  the close signal, even if the application error code might not be received.

In a handshake that requires multiple flights (HRR, client certs, etc.), the client might also have Handshake keys but not 1-RTT keys.  This isn't the common case, but I believe it's still permitted?

Also, why are the other two SHOULDs, while this is merely a statement about likely outcomes?

> @@ -5680,10 +5689,10 @@ Reason Phrase:
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
 The application-specific variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1d) can only be
-sent using an 1-RTT packet ({{QUIC-TLS}}, Section 4).  When an application
-wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake, an endpoint can send a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a ("user_canceled"
-alert; see {{?TLS13}}) in an Initial or a Handshake packet.
+sent using 0-RTT or 1-RTT packets ({{QUIC-TLS}}, Section 4).  When an
+application wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake, an endpoint
+can send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a
+("user_canceled" alert; see {{?TLS13}}) in an Initial or a Handshake packet.

This feels slightly at odds with the above advice to repeat the frame in both 0-RTT and Initial.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>This feels a little sticky:</p>
<ul>
<li>App-level CLOSE MUST only be sent in 0-RTT or 1-RTT</li>
<li>If you're sending a CLOSE in 0-RTT, you OUGHT TO repeat it in an Initial packet, except that you can't if it's application-level.</li>
</ul>
<p>Does that explicitly mean sending two different error codes at the two levels?</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r378469461">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
-least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be
-unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in
-Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake.  These packets
-can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.
+* A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+  {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether
+  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame of type
+  0x1c in an Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive
+  the close signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
</pre>
<p>In a handshake that requires multiple flights (HRR, client certs, etc.), the client might also have Handshake keys but not 1-RTT keys.  This isn't the common case, but I believe it's still permitted?</p>
<p>Also, why are the other two SHOULDs, while this is merely a statement about likely outcomes?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r378471077">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5680,10 +5689,10 @@ Reason Phrase:
   This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}.
 
 The application-specific variant of CONNECTION_CLOSE (type 0x1d) can only be
-sent using an 1-RTT packet ({{QUIC-TLS}}, Section 4).  When an application
-wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake, an endpoint can send a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a (&quot;user_canceled&quot;
-alert; see {{?TLS13}}) in an Initial or a Handshake packet.
+sent using 0-RTT or 1-RTT packets ({{QUIC-TLS}}, Section 4).  When an
+application wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake, an endpoint
+can send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a
+(&quot;user_canceled&quot; alert; see {{?TLS13}}) in an Initial or a Handshake packet.
</pre>
<p>This feels slightly at odds with the above advice to repeat the frame in both 0-RTT and Initial.</p>

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And this could make retransmitting frames complex.


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Merged #3424 into master.

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> or the rate of ACK-only packets being sent

I wasn't suggesting that we do this bit.  Just the other piece.

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> If the server isn't willing at all to handle connections on its published IP address, then (naively) it shouldn't accept connections on that IP address and should publish the other one instead. 
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I thought the use case in section 9.6 was pretty clear -- "This is particularly useful when clients initially connect to an address shared by multiple servers but [the server] would prefer to use a unicast address to ensure connection stability".

Migrating to a unicast address avoids having to perform connection-based routing through a load balancer.

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<p>I thought the use case in section 9.6 was pretty clear -- "This is particularly useful when clients initially connect to an address shared by multiple servers but [the server] would prefer to use a unicast address to ensure connection stability".</p>
<p>Migrating to a unicast address avoids having to perform connection-based routing through a load balancer.</p>

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Thank you, @kazuho, for raising a point that I had completely forgotten! I remember now why I had not wanted ACK loss to drive the congestion controller. I think @kazuho and @ianswett are saying similar things, but the short of it is this: the congestion controller assumes that cwnd amount of data is in flight when it reacts to loss, reducing the cwnd. However, the cwnd has nothing to do with the amount of ACKs that are in flight, and as a result, the reduction of the cwnd in response makes no sense in this case.

(It does make an increasing amount of sense to use as the traffic in this direction is increasingly dominated by ack-eliciting data, but that also makes it increasingly likely that a congestive loss will be of an ack-eliciting packet.)

We should not change the design here. I'm fine with @ianswett's proposed addition, but I don't think we should use the loss of ACKs as a congestion signal that affects the congestion window.

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Clarifies that losing ACK-only packets is detectable in QUIC, but this draft specifies no response to their loss.

Fixes #3451
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  * ACK-only packets are not congestion controlled

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<p>Clarifies that losing ACK-only packets is detectable in QUIC, but this draft specifies no response to their loss.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3451.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="563597284" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3451" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3451/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3451">#3451</a></p>

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  <li>ACK-only packets are not congestion controlled</li>
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kazuho approved this pull request.

:+1: Thank you for the PR. LGTM, and to me it seems that the add text is at the right location.

Using the loss of ACK-only packets is one way of deviating from CC that is described in this document, and therefore it seems correct to me to have that stated right after the general requirements regarding CC when one chooses a design that is different from what is being specified in quic-recovery.



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  Commit: df34dc8c55d83997e9eeb942eb489ddf12a5e32e
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  Date:   2020-01-20 (Mon, 20 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reference 19.3 of transport


  Commit: 92fda61c7efec9753fc8d003593aebec2c8776e6
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  Jana's suggestion


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  Merge pull request #3362 from quicwg/ianswett-ack-delay-exponent

Ack delays are adjusted by ack_delay_exponent


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The testing of that feature is going to be interesting. Besides the case of servers that just don't negotiate 0-RTT because they don't feel like it today, there is also the case of 0-RTT packets being lost. The loss is not guaranteed to be detected before the TLS handshake complete. A bad faith server could just ignore any 0-RTT packet that carries a connection close request, and do as if it was not received. I get the desire of treating 0-RTT just like 1-RTT, but the number of corner cases is going to be fun.

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<p>The testing of that feature is going to be interesting. Besides the case of servers that just don't negotiate 0-RTT because they don't feel like it today, there is also the case of 0-RTT packets being lost. The loss is not guaranteed to be detected before the TLS handshake complete. A bad faith server could just ignore any 0-RTT packet that carries a connection close request, and do as if it was not received. I get the desire of treating 0-RTT just like 1-RTT, but the number of corner cases is going to be fun.</p>

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huitema approved this pull request.

That's fine. I don't know whether we want to mention ack-of-ack and ack-range pruning here. Probably not. But it should be very clear that while ACK only packets do not trigger acks, the packet numbers should be included in the ack ranges.



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<p><b>@huitema</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>That's fine. I don't know whether we want to mention ack-of-ack and ack-range pruning here. Probably not. But it should be very clear that while ACK only packets do not trigger acks, the packet numbers should be included in the ack ranges.</p>

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Are there any interop issues with this? Implementations keep tab of what is going on in all kind of ways. Many use "ack of ack" mechanisms to notice which ack have been acknowledged by the peer and which ack ranges can be safely pruned. Some do what Mirja described. Some don't care. Please do not try to overspecify this. 

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Let's be clear: we have a problem of this shape already.  A server can sent CONNECTION_CLOSE prior to confirming that the client has the keys necessary to interpret it.  It might even have good cause to do so.

Ignoring signals is always possible; these signals exist largely as a courtesy, so that endpoints don't dedicate resources to connections their peer no longer wants.

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<p>Let's be clear: we have a problem of this shape already.  A server can sent CONNECTION_CLOSE prior to confirming that the client has the keys necessary to interpret it.  It might even have good cause to do so.</p>
<p>Ignoring signals is always possible; these signals exist largely as a courtesy, so that endpoints don't dedicate resources to connections their peer no longer wants.</p>

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That is an entirely reasonable objection.  The question then becomes: what do we do when we have a desire to signal an application-level error, but we aren't sure that the peer can receive a packet that is amply protected?

For instance, if a server accepts 0-RTT only to find that the contents are gibberish, it might signal in a 1-RTT packet with the appropriate application CONNECTION_CLOSE, but it has no guarantee that this will be readable to a client.

I suspect that the right answer is to switch to a transport-level CONNECTION_CLOSE with a different error code in that case.

Allowing application CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT would still make sense then, if only to keep the API surface consistent.

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<p>That is an entirely reasonable objection.  The question then becomes: what do we do when we have a desire to signal an application-level error, but we aren't sure that the peer can receive a packet that is amply protected?</p>
<p>For instance, if a server accepts 0-RTT only to find that the contents are gibberish, it might signal in a 1-RTT packet with the appropriate application CONNECTION_CLOSE, but it has no guarantee that this will be readable to a client.</p>
<p>I suspect that the right answer is to switch to a transport-level CONNECTION_CLOSE with a different error code in that case.</p>
<p>Allowing application CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT would still make sense then, if only to keep the API surface consistent.</p>

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> I suspect that the right answer is to switch to a transport-level CONNECTION_CLOSE with a different error code in that case.

Agreed. FWIW, we state the following, which I think is the right advice.
_When an application wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake, an endpoint can send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a ("user_canceled" alert; see [TLS13]) in an Initial or a Handshake packet. ([section 19.19](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19-7))_

> Allowing application CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT would still make sense then, if only to keep the API surface consistent.

No objection from me.

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<p>I suspect that the right answer is to switch to a transport-level CONNECTION_CLOSE with a different error code in that case.</p>
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<p>Agreed. FWIW, we state the following, which I think is the right advice.<br>
<em>When an application wishes to abandon a connection during the handshake, an endpoint can send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame (type 0x1c) with an error code of 0x15a ("user_canceled" alert; see [TLS13]) in an Initial or a Handshake packet. (<a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19-7" rel="nofollow">section 19.19</a>)</em></p>
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<p>Allowing application CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT would still make sense then, if only to keep the API surface consistent.</p>
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To add to what @martinthomson has pointed out, the server possibly ignoring frames contained in 0-RTT packet is not limited to CONNECTION_CLOSE.

While I have a mixed feeling about allowing most if not all 1-RTT frames in 0-RTT too, it is my understanding that that has been the principle we have agreed. I would very much prefer applying the principle everywhere rather than making decisions on a case-by-case basis.

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<p>While I have a mixed feeling about allowing most if not all 1-RTT frames in 0-RTT too, it is my understanding that that has been the principle we have agreed. I would very much prefer applying the principle everywhere rather than making decisions on a case-by-case basis.</p>

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@huitema the statement that ACK only packets should be included in ACKs is in transport: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-25#section-13.2.1
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I agree with @kazuho. Just use the CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the generic user_canceled TLS alert.

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This is an editorial change marking clear that ECN-based black-holing is rather unlikely today.
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  * In an unlikely event of emergency.... set ECN marks

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11)

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<p>This is an editorial change marking clear that ECN-based black-holing is rather unlikely today.</p>

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  <li>In an unlikely event of emergency.... set ECN marks</li>
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This is actually a behaviour that has been observed a few time on the Internet. In TCP this case is encounter as ECN will be disabled if the SYN is CE marked (as the SYN should always be Not-ECT these days). I just realised that this validation is rather easy to detect if any Not-ECT have been sent, I think it would be good to mention is explicitly.
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  * Add handling of all packets marked as CE

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7)

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<p>This is actually a behaviour that has been observed a few time on the Internet. In TCP this case is encounter as ECN will be disabled if the SYN is CE marked (as the SYN should always be Not-ECT these days). I just realised that this validation is rather easy to detect if any Not-ECT have been sent, I think it would be good to mention is explicitly.</p>

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Currently, the "Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets" section indicates that some loss can be ignored, but now that we have multiple packet number spaces, I think we can constrain the set of ignorable losses to those below the smallest acknowledged packet in a packet number space.

Ignoring the loss of a subsequently sent packet was not the intent.

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<p>Currently, the "Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets" section indicates that some loss can be ignored, but now that we have multiple packet number spaces, I think we can constrain the set of ignorable losses to those below the smallest acknowledged packet in a packet number space.</p>
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Reverts quicwg/base-drafts#3442
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<p>Reverts <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562172288" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3442" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3442/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3442">#3442</a></p>

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Ok, manually reverted and I created an issue for what is now possibly a design change.

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<p>Ok, manually reverted and I created an issue for what is now possibly a design change.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-restore-undecryptable
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 6f9f8d7ffca4eed3373bb9f64261f85fd5f76b1a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6f9f8d7ffca4eed3373bb9f64261f85fd5f76b1a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-09 (Mon, 09 Dec 2019)

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  Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial

This is trickier than I had imagined.  Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE is
probably fine, but it's harder to do this correctly now.  You can't just
send an unauthenticated CONNECTION_CLOSE because that might disrupt a
real connection.  So there are two goals in tension:

1. Don't kill an active connection (attempt) unnecessarily.

2. Provide feedback about errors.

The observation is that an attacker can disrupt connections by eliciting
a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so feedback naturally leads to an exposure to a DoS
attack.  That's unfortunate, but we have established that we don't care
about DoS by an on-path attacker prior to handshake completion.
Anything we do here has got to be best effort.

DoS prevention would say that you just discard junk, and that is
probably the right answer.  But we have a number of cases where the
robustness of the system depends on getting feedback.

Either way, we agreed to allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, so the
exposure exists anyway.  So this contains advice.  Maybe too much
advice, but I thought that I'd see what people thought.

Closes #3269.


  Commit: ffa7f98abc53f92a0e98fe927e65cea492736e4c
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019)

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  Add point about off-path packets to handshake DoS section


  Commit: 173d00664bd9c547cd042401621e80bed802e7dc
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reword


  Commit: a2f06723986f303023c8fcfc8bd9c3a5ddb5368c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2f06723986f303023c8fcfc8bd9c3a5ddb5368c
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019)

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  Log Message:
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  Does this help?


  Commit: e99cd67f95601f37b2b6930f28693b7d3a1044aa
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e99cd67f95601f37b2b6930f28693b7d3a1044aa
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

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  Merge branch 'master' into close-small-initial


  Commit: f302f3ec69913684ce35c61df7fb0fd9a461e3bf
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

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  Stateless immediate close

This says that immediate close when you don't have state doesn't have to
establish state.  Thus, if an endpoint has to immediately close, which
can do so without entering the closing period, which would establish
state.  It makes a general statement, which is that during the handshake
- that is, for unauthenticated inputs - packets can be discarded rather
than causing an immediate close.

This greatly simplifies the text for a small initial.  Now it only needs
to say "MUST discard, MAY immediate close as well".


  Commit: 7864bda6e4dd98d9e033ce49be4350d849b7f361
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7864bda6e4dd98d9e033ce49be4350d849b7f361
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Rewording suggestions

Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Rewrap


  Commit: 6971443498f64d31ec7bebeadfe2215e21c4b19a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6971443498f64d31ec7bebeadfe2215e21c4b19a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2019-12-11 (Wed, 11 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Refer to fields properly


  Commit: 94754815fe5d11140f77cebe979ff954e8598574
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/94754815fe5d11140f77cebe979ff954e8598574
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-13 (Fri, 13 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  add note on pacing and editorialze


  Commit: bb2988130cf981e813f5378b9f908c3b09f134ca
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb2988130cf981e813f5378b9f908c3b09f134ca
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-14 (Sat, 14 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  remove pacing recommendation


  Commit: 6bea25dc982beacbecf4576ff2945a8e89ede4f7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bea25dc982beacbecf4576ff2945a8e89ede4f7
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-16 (Mon, 16 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  add a reference to sec 6.9 without recommendation


  Commit: b361a8bef74a08a3f29392432648d3450a028037
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  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-17 (Tue, 17 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Ian's suggestions


  Commit: 957a750bc54c397cacd65040f07710cd051d596f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/957a750bc54c397cacd65040f07710cd051d596f
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-17 (Tue, 17 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Allow use of token after client address change


  Commit: 906c77f51c88d60d0de9f98fed0b9591192923ad
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/906c77f51c88d60d0de9f98fed0b9591192923ad
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-18 (Wed, 18 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  rephrase and slight shuffle


  Commit: d626db6f961f3e5a48b6e4891ff5fa1af2827fec
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d626db6f961f3e5a48b6e4891ff5fa1af2827fec
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-19 (Thu, 19 Dec 2019)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Ian's suggestions


  Commit: 960c980f8e64b4eb9d63b51078024f1e81f6ca5a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/960c980f8e64b4eb9d63b51078024f1e81f6ca5a
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-01-17 (Fri, 17 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Ack delays are adjusted by ack_delay_exponent

Fixes #3355


  Commit: b215bd3ad1d3138504559c58f54a3da895ccc679
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b215bd3ad1d3138504559c58f54a3da895ccc679
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-01-20 (Mon, 20 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  adjusted?


  Commit: df34dc8c55d83997e9eeb942eb489ddf12a5e32e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/df34dc8c55d83997e9eeb942eb489ddf12a5e32e
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-01-20 (Mon, 20 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reference 19.3 of transport


  Commit: d0d15f8b3acdc5ecb0153ff7eb4333ed0c3992e9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d0d15f8b3acdc5ecb0153ff7eb4333ed0c3992e9
  Author: Will Hawkins <whh8b@obs.cr>
  Date:   2020-02-03 (Mon, 03 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix #3405: Specify that active_connection_id_limit TP is an integer


  Commit: 881369f834fca559ffd2b57e6dfde74de83e638f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/881369f834fca559ffd2b57e6dfde74de83e638f
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-04 (Tue, 04 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Redefine recovery period

Closes #3409.


  Commit: ce9a03f47093c1196d24e53f5d3eb62645f1e435
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce9a03f47093c1196d24e53f5d3eb62645f1e435
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2020-02-05 (Wed, 05 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Extension dragons


  Commit: 2af27a157234152c1b19d68ea827b5cfd31901bc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2af27a157234152c1b19d68ea827b5cfd31901bc
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2020-02-05 (Wed, 05 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Not just frames


  Commit: 93bb69a13bdd015dcd30402921b3670b0622efd0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/93bb69a13bdd015dcd30402921b3670b0622efd0
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-05 (Wed, 05 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Point out that the payload size could decrease

And this could make retransmitting frames complex.


  Commit: 14837e6e26ee52b4e222d8614878601bec97b1fd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/14837e6e26ee52b4e222d8614878601bec97b1fd
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-05 (Wed, 05 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 7d0e132f8bc9faee4563cad25fbb198c2cc85508
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7d0e132f8bc9faee4563cad25fbb198c2cc85508
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-05 (Wed, 05 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


  Commit: 92fda61c7efec9753fc8d003593aebec2c8776e6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/92fda61c7efec9753fc8d003593aebec2c8776e6
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-07 (Fri, 07 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Jana's suggestion


  Commit: 059773ce1e6cb04fe9f5b2a97ff3eb292e7df1fd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/059773ce1e6cb04fe9f5b2a97ff3eb292e7df1fd
  Author: Eric Kinnear <ekinnear@apple.com>
  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Clarify that you can use any issued CID at any time, even during the handshake


  Commit: 8e532b07e8f56cc31ca53a84325ba5539d5a603c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e532b07e8f56cc31ca53a84325ba5539d5a603c
  Author: Eric Kinnear <ekinnear@apple.com>
  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Note that CIDs are valid in any packet type


  Commit: 60d963764b61248ce1fe4150086ccb09f04056ac
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  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


  Commit: 9230db89612af823a292500816cd2427646debd8
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  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

Co-Authored-By: Eric Kinnear <32474881+erickinnear@users.noreply.github.com>


  Commit: 359c9b3b9ecf225f8e4809297b72e43d6f3b3859
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/359c9b3b9ecf225f8e4809297b72e43d6f3b3859
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Require QUICv1 (#3323)


  Commit: 17f91c31a30849dfd227582f0adf8f0831c266a3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17f91c31a30849dfd227582f0adf8f0831c266a3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Make host specification more precise (#3326)

This doesn't come out and say "don't use IP literals in SNI" because RFC
6066 does that amply.  Instead, it says that unless you have something
better, use SNI for domain names.  This turns out to be shorter than
what we had previously.

Closes #3324.


  Commit: 55dd0c287b2c2172314a2c1027683e990033cb12
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55dd0c287b2c2172314a2c1027683e990033cb12
  Author: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE (#3309)

* Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE

* wrap

* one or more

* Apply suggestions from code review

Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>

* Update "identical" definition

* Apply suggestions from code review from Lucas

Co-Authored-By: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>

* Apply suggestions from Janacode review

Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>

* Add motivation for duplicate push ids

* Apply suggestions from mbishop code review

Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>

* Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md per mbishop

Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>

* Use less

Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
Co-authored-by: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 367f668ee518b2be51c5661eaf17c753531cedb8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/367f668ee518b2be51c5661eaf17c753531cedb8
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarify and split the "malformed" definition (#3352)

* Import more RFC7540 header text

* Extraneous frames aren't malformed messages; they're worse

* Missed a multi-paragraph

* Missed some HTTP/2s

* Invalid message sequences are also malformed

* Review feedback

* Martin's feedback

* Framing errors are connection-fatal

* Reconcile with #3309


  Commit: ab8059efd222e058c7cd7335840c7a7d45c5a859
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab8059efd222e058c7cd7335840c7a7d45c5a859
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Tweak traffic analysis text (#3411)

This text was pretty good and more or less covered the problem already,
but I think that this might be slightly better.

Closes #2905.


  Commit: 99baf78ddfd42cbd422a8a76fbdca7b3d8f8ff7c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99baf78ddfd42cbd422a8a76fbdca7b3d8f8ff7c
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3421 from quicwg/transport/extension_dragons

Here be dragons


  Commit: 27db33c26bc5cba57ba54c15425bbb7348aac46f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27db33c26bc5cba57ba54c15425bbb7348aac46f
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-11 (Tue, 11 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3410 from quicwg/recovery-period-dfn

Redefine recovery period


  Commit: 9f7a4a6d07b2908c852c88106c1b2dcd404a187f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f7a4a6d07b2908c852c88106c1b2dcd404a187f
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3406 from hawkinsw/active_connection_id_limit_type

Fix #3405: Specify that active_connection_id_limit TP is an integer


  Commit: d105908807a6d5891ce81cdf3235bfd184322c5c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d105908807a6d5891ce81cdf3235bfd184322c5c
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #3438 from erickinnear/ek/cid_during_handshake

#3348 Clarify that you can use any issued CID at any time, even during the handshake


  Commit: 922bd62ad23517c7d6faf0397333485ec9db5da6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/922bd62ad23517c7d6faf0397333485ec9db5da6
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3301 from quicwg/jri/flow-control

Don't recommend 3 RTTs of credit (and other editorial)


  Commit: 5020e34e82d19398cb90acb3a450d6e140e4bf9a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5020e34e82d19398cb90acb3a450d6e140e4bf9a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
    R initial-protection.js
    R metadata.min.js
    A protection-samples.js

  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'master' into close-small-initial


  Commit: f45e58d6934099faa40a8d569e50b2bcf21015db
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f45e58d6934099faa40a8d569e50b2bcf21015db
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3292 from quicwg/close-small-initial

Define stateless CONNECTION_CLOSE


  Commit: 42a4c290e6752593fead4059be6f71ef9fe0cde6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/42a4c290e6752593fead4059be6f71ef9fe0cde6
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3308 from quicwg/jri/token

Allow use of token after client address change


  Commit: 7d8e0a25b338a6d6a935b9e1ce93da82cabf0549
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7d8e0a25b338a6d6a935b9e1ce93da82cabf0549
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-13 (Thu, 13 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3424 from quicwg/ianswett-retransmit-frames-is-hard

Point out that the payload size could decrease


  Commit: 40d902ea4a4c4c2227963b629b4bdcfdde56407d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/40d902ea4a4c4c2227963b629b4bdcfdde56407d
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-12 (Wed, 12 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3362 from quicwg/ianswett-ack-delay-exponent

Ack delays are adjusted by ack_delay_exponent


  Commit: 60d233b35db56b601859b9b633347bdec0f3c37f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60d233b35db56b601859b9b633347bdec0f3c37f
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-13 (Thu, 13 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Restore "Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets"

Reverts #3442 manually


  Commit: 6f83adf98a19660a59eeb10ea6900a409def81c1
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6f83adf98a19660a59eeb10ea6900a409def81c1
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-13 (Thu, 13 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'master' into ianswett-restore-undecryptable


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1885d3f63c64...6f83adf98a19


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martinthomson approved this pull request.

I might have to put in a lint for HTAB...

> @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive, and 1-RTT packets	cannot be processed until the handshake completes.

An errant tab here.
```suggestion
arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
```

> @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive, and 1-RTT packets	cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY	ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might

and here
```suggestion
Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
```

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450#discussi=
on_r379175902">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases =
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-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	=0D
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-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	=0D
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available=
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+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packet=
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<pre style=3D"color: #555">-arrive, and 1-RTT packets	cannot be processed=
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</pre>=0D
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<hr>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450#discussi=
on_r379175945">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases =
in the ECN-CE counter.=0D
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 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	=0D
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-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	=0D
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ets	=0D
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	=
=0D
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	=0D
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive=
 before	=0D
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	=0D
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martinthomson approved this pull request.

I think that this is OK.  I don't know why CI is complaining; I can sort that out though.

> @@ -3485,10 +3485,13 @@ packets on a new path to a peer:
 * If all packets that were sent with the ECT(0) codepoint are eventually deemed
   lost {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, validation is deemed to have failed.
 
-To reduce the chances of misinterpreting congestive loss as packets dropped by a
-faulty network element, an endpoint could set the ECT(0) codepoint in the first
-ten outgoing packets on a path, or for a period of three RTTs, whichever occurs
-first.
+During the initial deployment of ECN an implementation bug was observed that
+led to black-holing of ECN-marked packet (mostly in home router equipment).
+While this case if unlikely in the Internet today, if this is as a concern for

```suggestion
While this case is unlikely in the Internet today, if this is as a concern for
```

Did you want to cite the study paper here to support this statement?

> @@ -3485,10 +3485,13 @@ packets on a new path to a peer:
 * If all packets that were sent with the ECT(0) codepoint are eventually deemed
   lost {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, validation is deemed to have failed.
 
-To reduce the chances of misinterpreting congestive loss as packets dropped by a
-faulty network element, an endpoint could set the ECT(0) codepoint in the first
-ten outgoing packets on a path, or for a period of three RTTs, whichever occurs
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+During the initial deployment of ECN an implementation bug was observed that
+led to black-holing of ECN-marked packet (mostly in home router equipment).
+While this case if unlikely in the Internet today, if this is as a concern for
+a certain network, an endpoint could set the ECT(0) codepoint only in, e.g., the

I would strike "for a certain network" here.

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Thanks for doing this.  

This is a design change and needs a corresponding issue.

A few typos and suggestions below.

> @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,

```suggestion
Another special case is when all packets are marked ECN-CE,
```

> @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,
+independtly of the initial codepode used, including Not-ECT. In this case

```suggestion
independent of the marking used, including Not-ECT. In this case
```

> @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,
+independtly of the initial codepode used, including Not-ECT. In this case
+it could be a network element overwriting the ECN field of all packets and

Let's not say why we think this is happening and go straight to the action:

> If a peer indicates that all received packets are ECN-CE marked, endpoints MAY treat this as an ECN validation failure and ignore any ECN-CE counts in acknowledgments.

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I've updated this one to fix the other issue as well.  And yes @MikeBishop, that means multiple error codes.  That's a little ugly, but otherwise we have cases where CONNECTION_CLOSE is initiated by the application in a way that the peer can't consume it.  We either let the connection die without CONNECTION_CLOSE, do some mapping, or we leak application state into "cleartext".  I like the explicit signal.

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<p>I've updated this one to fix the other issue as well.  And yes <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a>, that means multiple error codes.  That's a little ugly, but otherwise we have cases where CONNECTION_CLOSE is initiated by the application in a way that the peer can't consume it.  We either let the connection die without CONNECTION_CLOSE, do some mapping, or we leak application state into "cleartext".  I like the explicit signal.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/encoder-deadlock-fc
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-14 (Fri, 14 Feb 2020)

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  Deadlocks, and how to avoid them

Much belated, this attempts to address the concerns about deadlocking.
Basically, this says that you should avoid instructions that don't have
flow control credit.  It doesn't say how an encoder might learn what
limits are, but we've seen a range of tactics being used in
implementations and I don't want to get into transport API debates.

This doesn't cover the memory exhaustion attack that @kazuho suggests on
the issue; I think that is better covered more generally by the
connection-level flow control limits.

Closes #1420.



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Much belated, this attempts to address the concerns about deadlocking.
Basically, this says that you should avoid instructions that don&#39;t have
flow control credit.  It doesn&#39;t say how an encoder might learn what
limits are, but we&#39;ve seen a range of tactics being used in
implementations and I don&#39;t want to get into transport API debates.

This doesn&#39;t cover the memory exhaustion attack that @kazuho suggests on
the issue; I think that is better covered more generally by the
connection-level flow control limits.

Closes #1420.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3458

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  * Deadlocks, and how to avoid them

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (20)

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<p>Much belated, this attempts to address the concerns about deadlocking.<br>
Basically, this says that you should avoid instructions that don't have<br>
flow control credit.  It doesn't say how an encoder might learn what<br>
limits are, but we've seen a range of tactics being used in<br>
implementations and I don't want to get into transport API debates.</p>
<p>This doesn't cover the memory exhaustion attack that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> suggests on<br>
the issue; I think that is better covered more generally by the<br>
connection-level flow control limits.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #1420.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="329885649" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1420" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1420/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1420">#1420</a>.</p>

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I debated adding another paragraph:

> These deadlocks can be rectified by cancellation of the affected streams, though is not possible for the encoder stream.

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<p>I debated adding another paragraph:</p>
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<p>These deadlocks can be rectified by cancellation of the affected streams, though is not possible for the encoder stream.</p>
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kazuho commented on this pull request.

So the proposed changes are the following two?
* allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT
* use APPLICATION_CLOSE instead of "user_cancelled"?

Assuming that is the case, changes to the transport draft looks good to me modulo the point below. I think my comments to the TLS draft still holds.

> +  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an
+  Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive the close
+  signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT
+  packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and
+  1-RTT packets.  A server SHOULD also send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial
+  packet.
+
+An CONNECTION_CLOSE of type 0x1d MUST be replaced by a CONNECTION_CLOSE of type
+1c when sending the frame in Initial packets. Otherwise, information about the

Maybe change to "in Initial or Handshake packets"?

I think we need to call out Handshake packets too, because a client cannot tell if it is talking to a legitimate server when it sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame using a Handshake packet.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>So the proposed changes are the following two?</p>
<ul>
<li>allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in 0-RTT</li>
<li>use APPLICATION_CLOSE instead of "user_cancelled"?</li>
</ul>
<p>Assuming that is the case, changes to the transport draft looks good to me modulo the point below. I think my comments to the TLS draft still holds.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r379218531">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an
+  Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive the close
+  signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT
+  packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and
+  1-RTT packets.  A server SHOULD also send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial
+  packet.
+
+An CONNECTION_CLOSE of type 0x1d MUST be replaced by a CONNECTION_CLOSE of type
+1c when sending the frame in Initial packets. Otherwise, information about the
</pre>
<p>Maybe change to "in Initial or Handshake packets"?</p>
<p>I think we need to call out Handshake packets too, because a client cannot tell if it is talking to a legitimate server when it sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame using a Handshake packet.</p>

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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Frame placement by packet number space

Describe where frames can appear in terms of packet number spaces rather
than encryption levels.  This makes it slightly easier to explain
overall.  We still need encryption levels as a concept, but they are
localized to the TLS doc now.


  Commit: a7f2033d821e85766450dc3f75eb033458828b9c
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  Log Message:
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  Remove some more encryption level stuff


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> @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.

(Oops, missed this comment.)

I didn't want to recommend that the IP address remain constant as NAT does not always limit itself to port changes over time.  However, I suspect that the right answer in that case is to not assume that the address is valid.  NATs that use multiple addresses often serve many clients, so the risk of amplification is heightened.

That said, I do like the brevity of what you have.  I'll use that, but I do want to keep the Retry sentence (that's important).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r379254861">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1829,10 +1829,21 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
+
+Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
+even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
+NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
+same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
+mappings at a NAT.
</pre>
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<p>I didn't want to recommend that the IP address remain constant as NAT does not always limit itself to port changes over time.  However, I suspect that the right answer in that case is to not assume that the address is valid.  NATs that use multiple addresses often serve many clients, so the risk of amplification is heightened.</p>
<p>That said, I do like the brevity of what you have.  I'll use that, but I do want to keep the Retry sentence (that's important).</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/what-to-validate
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55dfc6f01ac290121e8693e5fb66dea0c37e253b
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  A little less detail


  Commit: 01b60ac478f8476a016232d95b82b1d8603983ff
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/01b60ac478f8476a016232d95b82b1d8603983ff
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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Section 5.2.1 of -recovery-25 says:

>   When the PTO is armed for Initial or Handshake packet number spaces,
>   the max_ack_delay is 0, as specified in 13.2.5 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].

However, Section 13.2.5 of -transport-25 doesn't actually say that (anymore?) Section 13.2.1 says

> For Initial and Handshake packets, a max_ack_delay of 0 is used.

so I guess at least the reference is incorrect.

But since Section 19.3 only has a SHOULD for encoding zero

>   Because the receiver
>      doesn't use the ACK Delay for Initial and Handshake packets, a
>      sender SHOULD send a value of 0.

and the pseudo code simply uses the encoded ACK delay, if the ACK sender doesn't encode zero, the ACK receiver will compute its RTT based on the encoded ACK delay.

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<p>Section 5.2.1 of -recovery-25 says:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>When the PTO is armed for Initial or Handshake packet number spaces,<br>
the max_ack_delay is 0, as specified in 13.2.5 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].</p>
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<p>However, Section 13.2.5 of -transport-25 doesn't actually say that (anymore?) Section 13.2.1 says</p>
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<p>For Initial and Handshake packets, a max_ack_delay of 0 is used.</p>
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<p>so I guess at least the reference is incorrect.</p>
<p>But since Section 19.3 only has a SHOULD for encoding zero</p>
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<p>Because the receiver<br>
doesn't use the ACK Delay for Initial and Handshake packets, a<br>
sender SHOULD send a value of 0.</p>
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<p>and the pseudo code simply uses the encoded ACK delay, if the ACK sender doesn't encode zero, the ACK receiver will compute its RTT based on the encoded ACK delay.</p>

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> @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,
+independtly of the initial codepode used, including Not-ECT. In this case
+it could be a network element overwriting the ECN field of all packets and

I theory this could also be a valid congestion signal. Even if packets were marked Not-ECT there could one element that overwrite it to ECT and another later on that is actually congested and marks validly all packets as CE (I know it's rathe unlikely, just saying...). I found it kind of important to say that this is problematic as it could also conceal valid signals. How about:

"If this is caused by a network element erroneously overwriting the ECN code point field, it will also conceals actual congestion information. Therefore, if a peer indicates that all received packets are ECN-CE marked, endpoints MAY treat this as an ECN validation failure and ignore any ECN-CE counts in acknowledgments."

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3455#discussion_r379364866">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,
+independtly of the initial codepode used, including Not-ECT. In this case
+it could be a network element overwriting the ECN field of all packets and
</pre>
<p>I theory this could also be a valid congestion signal. Even if packets were marked Not-ECT there could one element that overwrite it to ECT and another later on that is actually congested and marks validly all packets as CE (I know it's rathe unlikely, just saying...). I found it kind of important to say that this is problematic as it could also conceal valid signals. How about:</p>
<p>"If this is caused by a network element erroneously overwriting the ECN code point field, it will also conceals actual congestion information. Therefore, if a peer indicates that all received packets are ECN-CE marked, endpoints MAY treat this as an ECN validation failure and ignore any ECN-CE counts in acknowledgments."</p>

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c1aa5d318ad7e895e41bcf868b4d7f413781b3f3  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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<p><a href="https://github.com/mirjak" class="user-mention">@mirjak</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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I though giving a paper reference is not necessarily needed. The latest measurement we did and published is from 2017 in this paper (table 1):

https://www.research-collection.ethz.ch/bitstream/handle/20.500.11850/317151/tma-traceroute.pdf

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<p>I though giving a paper reference is not necessarily needed. The latest measurement we did and published is from 2017 in this paper (table 1):</p>
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ekr commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1834,10 +1834,9 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
-NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
-same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
-mappings at a NAT.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
+include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
+stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.

I don't really understand the second sentence. What's an example of information that would allow the server to verify if the client address is stable.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r379436798">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1834,10 +1834,9 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
-NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
-same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
-mappings at a NAT.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
+include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
+stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
</pre>
<p>I don't really understand the second sentence. What's an example of information that would allow the server to verify if the client address is stable.</p>

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Fix the section reference

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (2)

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The intent is to use 0 as a peer max_ack_delay for the Initial and Handshake packet number spaces.

The pseudocode says:
 ack_delay = min(Ack Delay in ACK Frame, max_ack_delay)

So for Initial and Handshake, min(Ack Delay, 0) = 0 

The text in the "Estimating smoothed RTT and RTTVar" section is fairly clear I think?
"- MUST ignore the Ack Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the
   Initial and Handshake packet number space."

I fixed the section reference in #3460 



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<p>The intent is to use 0 as a peer max_ack_delay for the Initial and Handshake packet number spaces.</p>
<p>The pseudocode says:<br>
ack_delay = min(Ack Delay in ACK Frame, max_ack_delay)</p>
<p>So for Initial and Handshake, min(Ack Delay, 0) = 0</p>
<p>The text in the "Estimating smoothed RTT and RTTVar" section is fairly clear I think?<br>
"- MUST ignore the Ack Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the<br>
Initial and Handshake packet number space."</p>
<p>I fixed the section reference in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="565395430" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3460" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3460/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3460">#3460</a></p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks for adding this!

> @@ -281,6 +281,26 @@ table entries which have been acknowledged, but this could mean using
 literals. Since literals make the header block larger, this can result in the
 encoder becoming blocked on congestion or flow control limits.
 
+### Avoiding Flow Control Deadlocks
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+Encoding using blocked streams can interact with flow control to produce

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I can also confirm that it verifies in Wireshark. (Likewise for the samples in Appendix A.)

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<p>I can also confirm that it verifies in Wireshark. (Likewise for the samples in Appendix A.)</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-second-initial
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-15 (Sat, 15 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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Thanks for writing this.

> @@ -331,6 +331,11 @@ respective HTTP control stream (see {{control-streams}}).
 
 ## Connection Reuse
 
+HTTP/3 connections are persistent.  For best performance, it is expected that

I think "persistent across multiple requests." or something similar would be clearer.

>  Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not "https," the client
 MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme.  If the client intends
 to make requests for an origin whose scheme is "http", this means that it MUST
 obtain a valid `http-opportunistic` response for the origin as described in
 {{!RFC8164}} prior to making any such requests.  Other schemes might define
 other mechanisms.
 
+Servers are encouraged to maintain open connections for as long as possible but
+are permitted to terminate idle connections if necessary.  When either endpoint
+chooses to close the QUIC connection, the terminating endpoint SHOULD first send

Would "HTTP/3 session," make more sense than QUIC connection, given we're talking about an HTTP/3 layer GOAWAY?

>  those listed here.
 
+TODO:  This is going to be a big import, probably worthy of its own PR.

Leftover?  If not, I'm not sure what this TODO is exactly indicating.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for writing this.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r376536732">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -331,6 +331,11 @@ respective HTTP control stream (see {{control-streams}}).
 
 ## Connection Reuse
 
+HTTP/3 connections are persistent.  For best performance, it is expected that
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<p>I think "persistent across multiple requests." or something similar would be clearer.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r376538907">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not &quot;https,&quot; the client
 MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme.  If the client intends
 to make requests for an origin whose scheme is &quot;http&quot;, this means that it MUST
 obtain a valid `http-opportunistic` response for the origin as described in
 {{!RFC8164}} prior to making any such requests.  Other schemes might define
 other mechanisms.
 
+Servers are encouraged to maintain open connections for as long as possible but
+are permitted to terminate idle connections if necessary.  When either endpoint
+chooses to close the QUIC connection, the terminating endpoint SHOULD first send
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<p>Would "HTTP/3 session," make more sense than QUIC connection, given we're talking about an HTTP/3 layer GOAWAY?</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r379841541">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  those listed here.
 
+TODO:  This is going to be a big import, probably worthy of its own PR.
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<p>Leftover?  If not, I'm not sure what this TODO is exactly indicating.</p>

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> @@ -1626,13 +1626,16 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets. The server can
+reach its anti-amplification limit, but the clients Initial data has been

Thanks for the suggestion, I took it and then tweaked it.  PTAL.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r379845294">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,13 +1626,16 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets. The server can
+reach its anti-amplification limit, but the clients Initial data has been
</pre>
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> @@ -2420,20 +2420,21 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
-flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Only restarting when sending after receipt of a packet ensures the idle timeout
+is not excessively lengthened past the time the peer's timeout has expired.

Thanks, I added back the original sentence, since as you point out, something was lost.  PTAL.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3444#discussion_r379846025">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2420,20 +2420,21 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
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 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
-flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Only restarting when sending after receipt of a packet ensures the idle timeout
+is not excessively lengthened past the time the peer&#39;s timeout has expired.
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If there are bytes_in_flight, then always do a standard PTO.
If not, it must be a client which is unsure if the peer has completed address validation.

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If there are bytes_in_flight, then always do a standard PTO.
If not, it must be a client which is unsure if the peer has completed address validation.

Fixes #3070
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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (14)

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<p>If there are bytes_in_flight, then always do a standard PTO.<br>
If not, it must be a client which is unsure if the peer has completed address validation.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3070.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="498582452" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3070" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3070/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3070">#3070</a></p>

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I updated the pseudocode in #3461 to always prefer the standard PTO response unless it's the client anti-deadlock case.  I believe this matches the text much better now.  It keeps the two cases when 1 packet is sent for anti-deadlock, but that matches the normative text.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-adaptive-loss
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  Date:   2020-02-15 (Sat, 15 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Clarify adaptive loss thresholds

Fixes #3389 by clarifying that one may start with a smaller time threshold, not a smaller packet threshold.



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Fixes #3389 by clarifying that one may start with a smaller time threshold, not a smaller packet threshold.
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  * Clarify adaptive loss thresholds

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (9)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3389.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="554093981" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3389" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3389/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3389">#3389</a> by clarifying that one may start with a smaller time threshold, not a smaller packet threshold.</p>

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I think @martinthomson was going to write a more crisp definition of a pacer and remove this reference?

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Clarifies a few points and moves the initial window recommendation from the pseudocode to the text.

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Clarifies a few points and moves the initial window recommendation from the pseudocode to the text.  I could take this a bit farther, but I&#39;d like suggestions on what&#39;s currently missing in this PR.

Fixes #3088
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<p>Clarifies a few points and moves the initial window recommendation from the pseudocode to the text.  I could take this a bit farther, but I'd like suggestions on what's currently missing in this PR.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3088.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="506183900" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3088" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3088/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3088">#3088</a></p>

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Hi @jrudolph I wrote #3463 which fixes some obvious errors I found, but I think more could be done.

Can you take a look and tell me what other points you'd like added or moved up from the pseudocode?

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<p>Hi <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/jrudolph/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/jrudolph">@jrudolph</a> I wrote <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="565804882" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3463" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3463/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3463">#3463</a> which fixes some obvious errors I found, but I think more could be done.</p>
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> @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server's CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.

What is the consequence of the client assuming server initials were lost? What would it do in this case to speed up the handshake?

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r379854831">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server&#39;s CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client&#39;s estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server&#39;s Initial packets were lost.
</pre>
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> +
+* A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+  {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether
+  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an
+  Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive the close
+  signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT
+  packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and
+  1-RTT packets.  A server SHOULD also send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial
+  packet.

Could we simplify these 3 points by just saying:
```An endpoint SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE in all encryption levels that it possesses keys for.```

> +  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an
+  Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive the close
+  signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT
+  packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and
+  1-RTT packets.  A server SHOULD also send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial
+  packet.
+
+An CONNECTION_CLOSE of type 0x1d MUST be replaced by a CONNECTION_CLOSE of type
+1c when sending the frame in Initial packets. Otherwise, information about the
+application state might be revealed. Endpoints SHOULD use the APPLICATION_ERROR
+code when performing this conversion.

What happens to the reason phrase? Can we mandate endpoints to clear it when using the APPLICATION_ERROR?

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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r379885825">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+* A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+  {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether
+  the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD
+  send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure
+  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an
+  Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive the close
+  signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT
+  packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and
+  1-RTT packets.  A server SHOULD also send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial
+  packet.
</pre>
<p>Could we simplify these 3 points by just saying:<br>
<code>An endpoint SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE in all encryption levels that it possesses keys for.</code></p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3440#discussion_r379885903">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  that at least one of them is processable by the client.
+
+* A client that sends CONNECTION_CLOSE in a 0-RTT packet cannot be assured of
+  the server has accepted 0-RTT and so sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an
+  Initial packet makes it more likely that the server can receive the close
+  signal, even if the application error code might not be received.
+
+* Prior to confirming the handshake, a peer might be unable to process 1-RTT
+  packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and
+  1-RTT packets.  A server SHOULD also send CONNECTION_CLOSE in an Initial
+  packet.
+
+An CONNECTION_CLOSE of type 0x1d MUST be replaced by a CONNECTION_CLOSE of type
+1c when sending the frame in Initial packets. Otherwise, information about the
+application state might be revealed. Endpoints SHOULD use the APPLICATION_ERROR
+code when performing this conversion.
</pre>
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The text is slightly ambiguous on the topic of whether pure-ACK packets are to be acknowledged.

Section "13.2.  Generating Acknowledgements" implies that they are ACKed later:

> Packets that are not ack-eliciting are only acknowledged when an ACK frame is sent for other reasons.

Section "13.2.1.  Sending ACK Frames" implies that they SHOULD but not MUST be ACKed:

> Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once

and

> [all] packets marked with the ECN Congestion Experienced (CE) codepoint in the IP header SHOULD be acknowledged immediately

It seems strange NOT to acknowledge all packets when sending an ACK frame. What benefit is there to NOT doing so? And if there is no benefit, why not require the protocol implementations to be more predictable?

What specific response a specific congestion controller has as a reaction to a lost / EC-marked pure-ACK packet is an implementation matter, of course.

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<p>The text is slightly ambiguous on the topic of whether pure-ACK packets are to be acknowledged.</p>
<p>Section "13.2.  Generating Acknowledgements" implies that they are ACKed later:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Packets that are not ack-eliciting are only acknowledged when an ACK frame is sent for other reasons.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Section "13.2.1.  Sending ACK Frames" implies that they SHOULD but not MUST be ACKed:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Every packet SHOULD be acknowledged at least once</p>
</blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote>
<p>[all] packets marked with the ECN Congestion Experienced (CE) codepoint in the IP header SHOULD be acknowledged immediately</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It seems strange NOT to acknowledge all packets when sending an ACK frame. What benefit is there to NOT doing so? And if there is no benefit, why not require the protocol implementations to be more predictable?</p>
<p>What specific response a specific congestion controller has as a reaction to a lost / EC-marked pure-ACK packet is an implementation matter, of course.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,
+independtly of the initial codepode used, including Not-ECT. In this case
+it could be a network element overwriting the ECN field of all packets and

WFM s/conceals/conceal/

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3455#discussion_r379941823">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -3517,6 +3517,13 @@ use the following steps on receiving an ACK frame to validate ECN.
   corresponding ECT codepoint that are newly acknowledged in this ACK frame.
   This step detects any erroneous network remarking from ECT(0) to ECT(1) (or
   vice versa).
+  
+Another special case is when all packets are indicatd as CE marked,
+independtly of the initial codepode used, including Not-ECT. In this case
+it could be a network element overwriting the ECN field of all packets and
</pre>
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> @@ -1834,10 +1834,9 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
-NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
-same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
-mappings at a NAT.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
+include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
+stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.

== on IP and port would be one example, but the emphemeral port example clearly leads to just IP == IP.

Should we just say "IP MUST be the same" instead?  That's not good always (see CGNAT) and I want to avoid creating the impression that this is sufficient, even if it might be sufficient.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r379941990">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1834,10 +1834,9 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
-NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
-same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
-mappings at a NAT.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
+include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
+stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
</pre>
<p>== on IP and port would be one example, but the emphemeral port example clearly leads to just IP == IP.</p>
<p>Should we just say "IP MUST be the same" instead?  That's not good always (see CGNAT) and I want to avoid creating the impression that this is sufficient, even if it might be sufficient.</p>

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> @@ -1179,20 +1179,20 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
     return
 
-  if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):
+  if (bytes_in_flight > 0):
+    // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
+    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.
+    _, pn_space = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(
+      time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet)
+    SendOneOrTwoAckElicitingPackets(pn_space)
+  else:

```suggestion
  else if client:
```

Otherwise, the server might hit this path if it has sent HelloRetryRequest and had it acknowledged.  In that case, the server has to sit tight.  It's a perverse scenario, but PQ is coming...

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> @@ -1179,20 +1179,20 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
     return
 
-  if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):
+  if (bytes_in_flight > 0):
+    // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
+    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.
+    _, pn_space = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(
+      time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet)
+    SendOneOrTwoAckElicitingPackets(pn_space)
+  else:

Oh, this might need all the original constraints as well, otherwise this path will be hit by a quiescent client all the time.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3461#discussion_r379944712">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1179,20 +1179,20 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
     return
 
-  if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):
+  if (bytes_in_flight &gt; 0):
+    // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
+    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.
+    _, pn_space = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(
+      time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet)
+    SendOneOrTwoAckElicitingPackets(pn_space)
+  else:
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<p>Oh, this might need all the original constraints as well, otherwise this path will be hit by a quiescent client all the time.</p>

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That is a different solution to the one I imagined, but a better one.  You forgot some conditions in the pseudocode though.

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<p>That is a different solution to the one I imagined, but a better one.  You forgot some conditions in the pseudocode though.</p>

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I was [advocating for a crisper definition](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-574962313).

If the formula I described is acceptable, then I'm happy to contribute text, but I hadn't planned to.

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<p>I was <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094#issuecomment-574962313" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3094/hovercard">advocating for a crisper definition</a>.</p>
<p>If the formula I described is acceptable, then I'm happy to contribute text, but I hadn't planned to.</p>

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kazuho commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1834,10 +1834,9 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
-NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
-same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
-mappings at a NAT.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
+include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
+stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.

Yeah one way of moving forward would be to state the intent along with how it might be implemented, rather than using RFC 2119 words for explaining how it should be implemented.

For example: "MUST validate that the network path between the peers have not changed (e.g., client's IP address is stable)."

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r379945192">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1834,10 +1834,9 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed.  A token that was provided in
-NEW_TOKEN cannot be used for address validation if the client address is not the
-same, though servers MAY allow for the possibility of changes arising from new
-mappings at a NAT.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
+include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
+stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
</pre>
<p>Yeah one way of moving forward would be to state the intent along with how it might be implemented, rather than using RFC 2119 words for explaining how it should be implemented.</p>
<p>For example: "MUST validate that the network path between the peers have not changed (e.g., client's IP address is stable)."</p>

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  Changed paths:
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7918097aca5334aaabf4c8298070063adc27cc5d  Add assert


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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1179,20 +1179,20 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
     return
 
-  if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):
+  if (bytes_in_flight > 0):
+    // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
+    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.
+    _, pn_space = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(
+      time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet)
+    SendOneOrTwoAckElicitingPackets(pn_space)
+  else:

The alarm shouldn't be armed in those case, as stated above in the normative text
"If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been received from the client."

Would you like some pseudocode added to the "Setting the Loss Detection Timer" pseudocode?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3461#discussion_r379951368">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1179,20 +1179,20 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
     return
 
-  if (endpoint is client without 1-RTT keys):
+  if (bytes_in_flight &gt; 0):
+    // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
+    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.
+    _, pn_space = GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(
+      time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet)
+    SendOneOrTwoAckElicitingPackets(pn_space)
+  else:
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<p>The alarm shouldn't be armed in those case, as stated above in the normative text<br>
"If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been received from the client."</p>
<p>Would you like some pseudocode added to the "Setting the Loss Detection Timer" pseudocode?</p>

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Oh, I see how this all fits together now. I think that it's entirely too clever.

I suspect that some commentary is going to be needed to explain that the PTO timer isn't armed when

a: the server hits address validation limits (the new text), and
b: the endpoint has nothing to send (except when the client isn't sure that the server has completed validation)

> +  if (IsServerWhichReachedAddressValidationLimit()):
+    loss_detection_timer.cancel()
+    return

The odd mix of pseudo-prose and undefined functions is starting to get noticeable.

```
    if (server is at anti-amplification limit):
```

And later:

```
    if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &&
        peer not awaiting address validation):
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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Oh, I see how this all fits together now. I think that it's entirely too clever.</p>
<p>I suspect that some commentary is going to be needed to explain that the PTO timer isn't armed when</p>
<p>a: the server hits address validation limits (the new text), and<br>
b: the endpoint has nothing to send (except when the client isn't sure that the server has completed validation)</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3461#discussion_r379964881">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  if (IsServerWhichReachedAddressValidationLimit()):
+    loss_detection_timer.cancel()
+    return
</pre>
<p>The odd mix of pseudo-prose and undefined functions is starting to get noticeable.</p>
<pre><code>    if (server is at anti-amplification limit):
</code></pre>
<p>And later:</p>
<pre><code>    if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &amp;&amp;
        peer not awaiting address validation):
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I understood the `max_ack_delay` in the `MIN` to be the value of the transport parameter?

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<p>I understood the <code>max_ack_delay</code> in the <code>MIN</code> to be the value of the transport parameter?</p>

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4886482ddea3d3fc25269f1731f3d0e1d2afdaff  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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Not for Initial and Handshake PN spaces.  Would it be helpful to have a comment above the min() in the pseudocode?

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<p>Not for Initial and Handshake PN spaces.  Would it be helpful to have a comment above the min() in the pseudocode?</p>

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The recovery draft says:
"Resumed connections over the same
   network SHOULD use the previous connection's final smoothed RTT value
   as the resumed connection's initial RTT."
I wonder if we should change this to a MAY, as there is also a temporal aspect. Or maybe we should say more about this?

Also note that draft-ietf-tcpm-2140bis is probably related.

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<p>The recovery draft says:<br>
"Resumed connections over the same<br>
network SHOULD use the previous connection's final smoothed RTT value<br>
as the resumed connection's initial RTT."<br>
I wonder if we should change this to a MAY, as there is also a temporal aspect. Or maybe we should say more about this?</p>
<p>Also note that draft-ietf-tcpm-2140bis is probably related.</p>

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Draft says:
"   Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the
   amount of data it can send is limited to three times the amount of
   data received, as specified in Section 8.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].  If
   no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
   datagrams have been received from the client.

   Since the server could be blocked until more packets are received
   from the client, it is the client's responsibility to send packets to
   unblock the server until it is certain that the server has finished
   its address validation (see Section 8 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]).  That is,
   the client MUST set the probe timer if the client has not received an
   acknowledgement for one of its Handshake or 1-RTT packets."

I guess most of this can just be removed and replaced with a pointer to section 9 of the transport draft?

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<p>Draft says:<br>
"   Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the<br>
amount of data it can send is limited to three times the amount of<br>
data received, as specified in Section 8.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].  If<br>
no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until<br>
datagrams have been received from the client.</p>
<p>Since the server could be blocked until more packets are received<br>
from the client, it is the client's responsibility to send packets to<br>
unblock the server until it is certain that the server has finished<br>
its address validation (see Section 8 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]).  That is,<br>
the client MUST set the probe timer if the client has not received an<br>
acknowledgement for one of its Handshake or 1-RTT packets."</p>
<p>I guess most of this can just be removed and replaced with a pointer to section 9 of the transport draft?</p>

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I believe this section was mistakenly on the wrong level. I also added a reference to a later section to the last sentence. Alternatively this sentence could just be removed as this is normatively specified later on.
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<p>I believe this section was mistakenly on the wrong level. I also added a reference to a later section to the last sentence. Alternatively this sentence could just be removed as this is normatively specified later on.</p>

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  <li>Timeout handshake section in recovery draft</li>
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The draft says:
"To allow the client to
   improve its RTT estimate, the new packet that it sends MUST be ack-
   eliciting.  If Handshake keys are available to the client, it MUST
   send a Handshake packet, and otherwise it MUST send an Initial packet
   in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes."
Is the second sentence actually needed (in this draft). What are the other options?

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"To allow the client to<br>
improve its RTT estimate, the new packet that it sends MUST be ack-<br>
eliciting.  If Handshake keys are available to the client, it MUST<br>
send a Handshake packet, and otherwise it MUST send an Initial packet<br>
in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes."<br>
Is the second sentence actually needed (in this draft). What are the other options?</p>

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> @@ -1834,9 +1834,18 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
-include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
-stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MUST
+include information that allows the server to verify that the client IP address
+has not changed from when the token was issued.

I think this text would be a lot clearer if you moved the first sentence to the end and wrote it as:

"Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
even if the client address has changed. However, if the address has changed, the
server MUST adhere to the anti-amplification limits found in XXX"

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r380308721">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1834,9 +1834,18 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
-include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
-stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MUST
+include information that allows the server to verify that the client IP address
+has not changed from when the token was issued.
</pre>
<p>I think this text would be a lot clearer if you moved the first sentence to the end and wrote it as:</p>
<p>"Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,<br>
even if the client address has changed. However, if the address has changed, the<br>
server MUST adhere to the anti-amplification limits found in XXX"</p>

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I removed this text because it was duplicated with text further below in the same section (but different normative requirements). I assume this was an oversight and the text further down is the more current one (at least it makes for sense to me). 

However, I&#39;m not sure if this sentence is still needed, and if so why:
&quot;In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer
expired, the sender SHOULD send ack-eliciting packets from other packet
number spaces with in-flight data, coalescing packets if possible.&quot;
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<p>I removed this text because it was duplicated with text further below in the same section (but different normative requirements). I assume this was an oversight and the text further down is the more current one (at least it makes for sense to me).</p>
<p>However, I'm not sure if this sentence is still needed, and if so why:<br>
"In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer<br>
expired, the sender SHOULD send ack-eliciting packets from other packet<br>
number spaces with in-flight data, coalescing packets if possible."<br>
????</p>

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I also just noticed that there is this sentence in the "sending probe packets" section:
"   Alternatively, instead of sending an ack-eliciting packet, the sender
   MAY mark any packets still in flight as lost."

and this sentence in the next "detection loss" section:
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   NOT cause prior unacknowledged packets to be marked as lost."

So maybe that first sentence should have be removed as well? Not sure what is intended here...?

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<p>I also just noticed that there is this sentence in the "sending probe packets" section:<br>
"   Alternatively, instead of sending an ack-eliciting packet, the sender<br>
MAY mark any packets still in flight as lost."</p>
<p>and this sentence in the next "detection loss" section:<br>
"   A PTO timer expiration event does not indicate packet loss and MUST<br>
NOT cause prior unacknowledged packets to be marked as lost."</p>
<p>So maybe that first sentence should have be removed as well? Not sure what is intended here...?</p>

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I also just noticed that there is this sentence in the "sending probe packets" section:
" Alternatively, instead of sending an ack-eliciting packet, the sender
MAY mark any packets still in flight as lost."

and this sentence in the next "detection loss" section:
" A PTO timer expiration event does not indicate packet loss and MUST
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So maybe that first sentence should have be removed as well? Not sure what is intended here...?

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<p>I also just noticed that there is this sentence in the "sending probe packets" section:<br>
" Alternatively, instead of sending an ack-eliciting packet, the sender<br>
MAY mark any packets still in flight as lost."</p>
<p>and this sentence in the next "detection loss" section:<br>
" A PTO timer expiration event does not indicate packet loss and MUST<br>
NOT cause prior unacknowledged packets to be marked as lost."</p>
<p>So maybe that first sentence should have be removed as well? Not sure what is intended here...?</p>

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I would agree with switching to MAY. Even mentioning this leads to some incentive to implement, so the effect on implementation is similar. But we really don't need to recommend something like this.

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<p>I would agree with switching to MAY. Even mentioning this leads to some incentive to implement, so the effect on implementation is similar. But we really don't need to recommend something like this.</p>

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I'm happy to change it to a MAY.

FWIW, "TCP Control Block Interdependence" is not a good name for that draft in my opinion.  And it seems like almost none of the potential considerations are TCP-specific, so is the reason this is in tcpm a historical quirk?

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<p>I'm happy to change it to a MAY.</p>
<p>FWIW, "TCP Control Block Interdependence" is not a good name for that draft in my opinion.  And it seems like almost none of the potential considerations are TCP-specific, so is the reason this is in tcpm a historical quirk?</p>

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> @@ -1834,9 +1834,18 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
-include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
-stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MUST
+include information that allows the server to verify that the client IP address
+has not changed from when the token was issued.

That works.  I think that is better, though I want to be more precise about "address" vs. "IP address" here.  "Address" in this doc refers to IP+port, and I think that we do want to allow clients to choose different ephemeral ports or to be behind a NAT without absolutely requiring servers to use address validation.  I know that adds a bit of uncertainty to this, but it's a compromise.

I've replaced "address" with "IP address" and then replaced the long note with a shorter sentence explaining that IP alone is not perfect.  I think that we might need wider discussion on this one point.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r380460915">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1834,9 +1834,18 @@ SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
 address and port in client packets remains constant.
 
 Servers might use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet,
-even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames SHOULD
-include information that allows the server to verify if the client address is
-stable, but might allow for different NAT bindings or ephemeral port selection.
+even if the client address has changed. Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MUST
+include information that allows the server to verify that the client IP address
+has not changed from when the token was issued.
</pre>
<p>That works.  I think that is better, though I want to be more precise about "address" vs. "IP address" here.  "Address" in this doc refers to IP+port, and I think that we do want to allow clients to choose different ephemeral ports or to be behind a NAT without absolutely requiring servers to use address validation.  I know that adds a bit of uncertainty to this, but it's a compromise.</p>
<p>I've replaced "address" with "IP address" and then replaced the long note with a shorter sentence explaining that IP alone is not perfect.  I think that we might need wider discussion on this one point.</p>

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That would at least help me (pointing out it is NOT the value of the TP, although the name is the same.)

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Fix grammer: for indicate -&gt; to indicate

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (2)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Fix grammer: for indicate -&gt; to indicate</li>
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Or "for indicating" :man_shrugging: not sure what the most appropriate one is.

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ekr commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1829,10 +1829,24 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.

As you suggest in your comment, I think i would remove "port" here, as there are not that many applications where returning clients will have the same port.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r380706973">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1829,10 +1829,24 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
</pre>
<p>As you suggest in your comment, I think i would remove "port" here, as there are not that many applications where returning clients will have the same port.</p>

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I noticed the pseudocode before UpdateRtt() already makes this fairly clear.  I can fold the pn_space check into UpdateRtt if you think it would read more clearly?

>     ack_delay = 0
>     if (pn_space == ApplicationData):
>       ack_delay = ack.ack_delay
>     UpdateRtt(ack_delay)

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<p>I noticed the pseudocode before UpdateRtt() already makes this fairly clear.  I can fold the pn_space check into UpdateRtt if you think it would read more clearly?</p>
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<pre><code>ack_delay = 0
if (pn_space == ApplicationData):
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huitema approved this pull request.

This text addresses the concerns in issue #3395, and would remove the need for PR #3416. I like it. I am just a tiny bit concerned with the implications of sending a Ping that would force an Initial or Handshake response.

> -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 

Yes. The next question is, what content shall the client place in the Initial or Handshake packet? Just PAD? Ping and PAD?

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<p><b>@huitema</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This text addresses the concerns in issue <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="554924786" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3395" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3395/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3395">#3395</a>, and would remove the need for PR <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560218498" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3416" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3416/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3416">#3416</a>. I like it. I am just a tiny bit concerned with the implications of sending a Ping that would force an Initial or Handshake response.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r380801972">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 
</pre>
<p>Yes. The next question is, what content shall the client place in the Initial or Handshake packet? Just PAD? Ping and PAD?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 2c5f8fcfc00e4b470564dbfc6ac4f9046d98c974
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c5f8fcfc00e4b470564dbfc6ac4f9046d98c974
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-18 (Tue, 18 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  Deadlocks, and how to avoid them (#3458)

* Deadlocks, and how to avoid them

Much belated, this attempts to address the concerns about deadlocking.
Basically, this says that you should avoid instructions that don't have
flow control credit.  It doesn't say how an encoder might learn what
limits are, but we've seen a range of tactics being used in
implementations and I don't want to get into transport API debates.

This doesn't cover the memory exhaustion attack that @kazuho suggests on
the issue; I think that is better covered more generally by the
connection-level flow control limits.

Closes #1420.

* Taking Ian's suggestion and rearranging slighty



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Creating PR on behalf of @martinthomson. This is a tweak to the text suggested in #3333.

Closes #3333.
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  * Count entire datagram for anti-amplification

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7)

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  <li>Count entire datagram for anti-amplification</li>
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> @@ -1829,10 +1829,24 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.

As this is just for Retry, we can include port. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3327#discussion_r381038185">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1829,10 +1829,24 @@ tokens that would be accepted by the server.  Only the server requires access to
 the integrity protection key for tokens.
 
 There is no need for a single well-defined format for the token because the
-server that generates the token also consumes it.  A token could include
-information about the claimed client address (IP and port), a timestamp, and any
-other supplementary information the server will need to validate the token in
-the future.
+server that generates the token also consumes it.  Tokens sent in Retry packets
+SHOULD include information that allows the server to verify that the source IP
+address and port in client packets remains constant.
</pre>
<p>As this is just for Retry, we can include port.</p>

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> -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 

It seems to me that this doesn't matter.  Probing generally goes for ack-eliciting, and some might favour sending data over just a PING, but if the server only needs more bytes, it shouldn't matter if this is PADDING, PING, or CRYPTO. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r381039296">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 
</pre>
<p>It seems to me that this doesn't matter.  Probing generally goes for ack-eliciting, and some might favour sending data over just a PING, but if the server only needs more bytes, it shouldn't matter if this is PADDING, PING, or CRYPTO.</p>

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huitema commented on this pull request.



> -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 

I would favor pure pad, personally, so as to not require its own ack, retransmit, etc. Also, sending it with the proper DCID will get the server out of the DOD amplification control mode.

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<p><b>@huitema</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r381050679">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 
</pre>
<p>I would favor pure pad, personally, so as to not require its own ack, retransmit, etc. Also, sending it with the proper DCID will get the server out of the DOD amplification control mode.</p>

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Ah, so we are not limiting `max_ack_delay`, we are overwriting `ack_delay`.

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<p>Ah, so we are not limiting <code>max_ack_delay</code>, we are overwriting <code>ack_delay</code>.</p>

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@ianswett I assume you actually meant to put this comment on issue #3464 ?

However, let me answer anyway: draft-ietf-tcpm-2140bis as the name says is a bis document, so it does have the title and scope from rfc2140. I agree that this is not TCP specific, however, then it would not be a bis doc anymore but a new document. That is probably something that could be discussed in tcpm. Feel free to raise that point there!

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> I assume you actually meant to put this comment on issue <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="566424727" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3464" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3464/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3464">#3464</a> ?</p>
<p>However, let me answer anyway: draft-ietf-tcpm-2140bis as the name says is a bis document, so it does have the title and scope from rfc2140. I agree that this is not TCP specific, however, then it would not be a bis doc anymore but a new document. That is probably something that could be discussed in tcpm. Feel free to raise that point there!</p>

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The text you quote is about path validation during connection establishment, not about path validation during connection migration. Not sure that pointing to Section 9 of -transport is appropriate?

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<p>The text you quote is about path validation during connection establishment, not about path validation during connection migration. Not sure that pointing to Section 9 of -transport is appropriate?</p>

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Ah, sorry was mapping this wrongly... I guess we could still remove some of the text and only point to 8.1. Anyway the text is correct/inline with the transport draft and I close the issue!

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<p>Ah, sorry was mapping this wrongly... I guess we could still remove some of the text and only point to 8.1. Anyway the text is correct/inline with the transport draft and I close the issue!</p>

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  Fix the section reference

In recovery for max_ack_delay of 0.

Came from #3459


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  Merge pull request #3460 from quicwg/ianswett-ref

Fix the section reference


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"needed to make 0-RTT work" has slightly fuzzy boundaries, though.  A more concrete rendering of the principle is that the client needs to remember any limit which it might exceed prior to receiving the actual limit in the ServerHello.  The possible solutions for any given TP, then, are to structurally ensure that the client can't exceed it in 0-RTT or to remember it.

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<p>"needed to make 0-RTT work" has slightly fuzzy boundaries, though.  A more concrete rendering of the principle is that the client needs to remember any limit which it might exceed prior to receiving the actual limit in the ServerHello.  The possible solutions for any given TP, then, are to structurally ensure that the client can't exceed it in 0-RTT or to remember it.</p>

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> @@ -661,19 +662,27 @@ receives packets with the Congestion Experienced codepoint.
 
 ## Slow Start
 
-QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon loss or
-upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. QUIC re-enters slow start any time the
-congestion window is less than ssthresh, which only occurs after persistent
-congestion is declared. While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion
-window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is
-processed.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start with the congestion window set to
+an initial value.  The RECOMMENDED initial value is the minimum of
+10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).  This follows
+the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing the byte limit to

The justification is repeated in Appendix B.1. I like it better here, but maybe make B.1 more concise and just point to here?

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3463#discussion_r381513171">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -661,19 +662,27 @@ receives packets with the Congestion Experienced codepoint.
 
 ## Slow Start
 
-QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon loss or
-upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. QUIC re-enters slow start any time the
-congestion window is less than ssthresh, which only occurs after persistent
-congestion is declared. While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion
-window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is
-processed.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start with the congestion window set to
+an initial value.  The RECOMMENDED initial value is the minimum of
+10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).  This follows
+the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing the byte limit to
</pre>
<p>The justification is repeated in Appendix B.1. I like it better here, but maybe make B.1 more concise and just point to here?</p>

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I would like someone to articulate what harm is done if the server were to accept 0-RTT when the max_packet_size has decreased.

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<p>I would like someone to articulate what harm is done if the server were to accept 0-RTT when the max_packet_size has decreased.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-cc-self-contained
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Separate out initial and min congestion window



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> @@ -661,19 +662,27 @@ receives packets with the Congestion Experienced codepoint.
 
 ## Slow Start
 
-QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon loss or
-upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. QUIC re-enters slow start any time the
-congestion window is less than ssthresh, which only occurs after persistent
-congestion is declared. While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion
-window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is
-processed.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start with the congestion window set to
+an initial value.  The RECOMMENDED initial value is the minimum of
+10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).  This follows
+the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing the byte limit to

SG, I made B.1 more consise and gave this and the min CWND their own sub-section.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3463#discussion_r381527501">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -661,19 +662,27 @@ receives packets with the Congestion Experienced codepoint.
 
 ## Slow Start
 
-QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon loss or
-upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. QUIC re-enters slow start any time the
-congestion window is less than ssthresh, which only occurs after persistent
-congestion is declared. While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion
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-processed.
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+10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).  This follows
+the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing the byte limit to
</pre>
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MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



> -{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+In HTTP/1.x, CONNECT is used to convert an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel
+to a remote host. In HTTP/2 and HTTP/3, the CONNECT method is used to establish
+a tunnel over a single stream.
+
+A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The ":method" pseudo-header field is set to "CONNECT"
+- The ":scheme" and ":path" pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The ":authority" pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+
+A CONNECT request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
+{{malformed}}).  The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the
+request.

I think it's useful as an exception to the more general requirement that the stream get closed at the end of the request.  But yes, we can reword it to something like "MAY not be closed."  (I would say "need not be closed," except that an exception to a MUST elsewhere feels like it needs its own normative language.)

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r381547589">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -{{malformed}}). The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request.
+In HTTP/1.x, CONNECT is used to convert an entire HTTP connection into a tunnel
+to a remote host. In HTTP/2 and HTTP/3, the CONNECT method is used to establish
+a tunnel over a single stream.
+
+A CONNECT request MUST be constructed as follows:
+
+- The &quot;:method&quot; pseudo-header field is set to &quot;CONNECT&quot;
+- The &quot;:scheme&quot; and &quot;:path&quot; pseudo-header fields are omitted
+- The &quot;:authority&quot; pseudo-header field contains the host and port to connect to
+  (equivalent to the authority-form of the request-target of CONNECT requests
+  (see Section 5.3 of [RFC7230]))
+
+A CONNECT request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed (see
+{{malformed}}).  The request stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the
+request.
</pre>
<p>I think it's useful as an exception to the more general requirement that the stream get closed at the end of the request.  But yes, we can reword it to something like "MAY not be closed."  (I would say "need not be closed," except that an exception to a MUST elsewhere feels like it needs its own normative language.)</p>

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>  those listed here.
 
+TODO:  This is going to be a big import, probably worthy of its own PR.

"worthy of its own PR" => #3407 addresses all imports *except* Security Considerations.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r381548109">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  those listed here.
 
+TODO:  This is going to be a big import, probably worthy of its own PR.
</pre>
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> -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 

A proper, updated DCID isn't guaranteed to unblock the server. That is why we haven't expressly allowed for that to be used.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r381551611">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 
</pre>
<p>A proper, updated DCID isn't guaranteed to unblock the server. That is why we haven't expressly allowed for that to be used.</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server's CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.

The client sending a packet can trigger this mechanism if the server implements it and it ensures the server is not blocked by the amplification factor.  I could add more detail in the second paragraph if it's helpful?

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r381597621">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server&#39;s CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client&#39;s estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server&#39;s Initial packets were lost.
</pre>
<p>The client sending a packet can trigger this mechanism if the server implements it and it ensures the server is not blocked by the amplification factor.  I could add more detail in the second paragraph if it's helpful?</p>

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huitema commented on this pull request.



> -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 

I am not asking for a change in the current text. This PR is fine.

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445#discussion_r381625040">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an
+Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes if it does not have
+Handshake keys, and otherwise send a Handshake packet.
 
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<p>I am not asking for a change in the current text. This PR is fine.</p>

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@martinduke 
> I would like someone to articulate what harm is done if the server were to accept 0-RTT when the max_packet_size has decreased.

Consider the case where the original value of max_packet_size was 9000, and client sending 0-RTT packets of 9000 bytes. If the server's max_packet_size goes down to 1280 and the server accepts 0-RTT, the client would consider the 0-RTT packets it has sent to be lost. I think that would halve CWND (to 5 MTU) and we'd exit slow start. This negative impact is likely to be greater than the benefit we'd get from 0-RTT.

That said, I am not sure if I like the framing of the discussion, or the current definition of `max_packet_size`.

I think we might be conflating the maximum size of QUIC packets and the maximum size of UDP datagrams, and I might argue that what matters in reality is the size of UDP datagrams.

As `max_packet_size` is a limit at the QUIC packet level, the transport draft allows a sender to send (and therefore requires a receiver to not discard) a UDP datagram that contains multiple QUIC packets being colesced, each of those QUIC packets being as large as `max_packet_size`. A server might send a UDP datagram that is 3x of `max_packet_size` (datagram consisting of full-sized Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT packet). Once a client receives the TP, it might send a UDP datagram that is 2x of `max_packet_size` (consisting of full-sized Handshake and 1-RTT packet).

Are we fine with that? Shouldn't we better change the TP to `max_datagram_size`?

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<p>I would like someone to articulate what harm is done if the server were to accept 0-RTT when the max_packet_size has decreased.</p>
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<p>Consider the case where the original value of max_packet_size was 9000, and client sending 0-RTT packets of 9000 bytes. If the server's max_packet_size goes down to 1280 and the server accepts 0-RTT, the client would consider the 0-RTT packets it has sent to be lost. I think that would halve CWND (to 5 MTU) and we'd exit slow start. This negative impact is likely to be greater than the benefit we'd get from 0-RTT.</p>
<p>That said, I am not sure if I like the framing of the discussion, or the current definition of <code>max_packet_size</code>.</p>
<p>I think we might be conflating the maximum size of QUIC packets and the maximum size of UDP datagrams, and I might argue that what matters in reality is the size of UDP datagrams.</p>
<p>As <code>max_packet_size</code> is a limit at the QUIC packet level, the transport draft allows a sender to send (and therefore requires a receiver to not discard) a UDP datagram that contains multiple QUIC packets being colesced, each of those QUIC packets being as large as <code>max_packet_size</code>. A server might send a UDP datagram that is 3x of <code>max_packet_size</code> (datagram consisting of full-sized Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT packet). Once a client receives the TP, it might send a UDP datagram that is 2x of <code>max_packet_size</code> (consisting of full-sized Handshake and 1-RTT packet).</p>
<p>Are we fine with that? Shouldn't we better change the TP to <code>max_datagram_size</code>?</p>

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At the moment, the max_packet_size Transport Parameter is a size limit of "a packet," and we seem to interpret that it means "a QUIC packet." I am not sure if that has been our intent.

IIUC, the reason we have this TP is to tell the peer the maximum size of a "UDP datagram" that the endpoint can handle. Not the maximum size of a "QUIC packet."

The problem with having this limit being defined at QUIC packet-level is that it allows the sender to send a coalesced packet that consists of multiple QUIC packets, each of them consuming max_packet_size bytes.

For example, when responding to a client-sent Initial, a server is allowed to send a coalesced packet containing one Initial, one Handshake, one 1-RTT packet, each of them in full size, and expect the client to not drop the coalesced packet, assuming that the network can handle jumbo packets<sup>1</sup>.

This means that a QUIC stack needs to be prepared of handling UDP datagrams at most `3 * max_packet_size` bytes.

I do not think we would want to do that. Therefore, the proposal is to change the definition of the TP from max_packet_size to max_datagram_size.

As an alternative, we can change it to max_ip_packet_size, but considering the BSD socket API, I think that max_datagram_size would be a more natural fit.

[1] Note that there is a performance incentive to configure QUIC endpoints to send jumbo packets.

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<p>At the moment, the max_packet_size Transport Parameter is a size limit of "a packet," and we seem to interpret that it means "a QUIC packet." I am not sure if that has been our intent.</p>
<p>IIUC, the reason we have this TP is to tell the peer the maximum size of a "UDP datagram" that the endpoint can handle. Not the maximum size of a "QUIC packet."</p>
<p>The problem with having this limit being defined at QUIC packet-level is that it allows the sender to send a coalesced packet that consists of multiple QUIC packets, each of them consuming max_packet_size bytes.</p>
<p>For example, when responding to a client-sent Initial, a server is allowed to send a coalesced packet containing one Initial, one Handshake, one 1-RTT packet, each of them in full size, and expect the client to not drop the coalesced packet, assuming that the network can handle jumbo packets<sup>1</sup>.</p>
<p>This means that a QUIC stack needs to be prepared of handling UDP datagrams at most <code>3 * max_packet_size</code> bytes.</p>
<p>I do not think we would want to do that. Therefore, the proposal is to change the definition of the TP from max_packet_size to max_datagram_size.</p>
<p>As an alternative, we can change it to max_ip_packet_size, but considering the BSD socket API, I think that max_datagram_size would be a more natural fit.</p>
<p>[1] Note that there is a performance incentive to configure QUIC endpoints to send jumbo packets.</p>

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I've opened #3471 to discuss the issue described in my comment right above.

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<p>I've opened <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="568328533" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3471" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3471/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3471">#3471</a> to discuss the issue described in my comment right above.</p>

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This seems like a reasonable change to me.

I assume this requires changing some of the surrounding text, not just the TP name, which would make it a design change I believe?

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<p>This seems like a reasonable change to me.</p>
<p>I assume this requires changing some of the surrounding text, not just the TP name, which would make it a design change I believe?</p>

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I agree. This seems like a good change, though I had already interpreted this value as "max UDP payload size" in the msquic code. I went back and looked at the text, and it's not 100% clear whether it was supposed to be for a QUIC packet or UDP datagram. It does say 'packet", not "datagram", but that word has been used interchangeably in the past...
```
max_packet_size (0x0003):
The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size
of packets that the endpoint is willing to receive. This indicates that packets
larger than this limit will be dropped. The default for this parameter is the
maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527. Values below 1200 are invalid.
This limit only applies to protected packets (Section 12.1).
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You might argue that it was always supposed to be UDP datagram payload length and call this editorial to clarify that, but calling it design is probably best.

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<p>I agree. This seems like a good change, though I had already interpreted this value as "max UDP payload size" in the msquic code. I went back and looked at the text, and it's not 100% clear whether it was supposed to be for a QUIC packet or UDP datagram. It does say 'packet", not "datagram", but that word has been used interchangeably in the past...</p>
<pre><code>max_packet_size (0x0003):
The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size
of packets that the endpoint is willing to receive. This indicates that packets
larger than this limit will be dropped. The default for this parameter is the
maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527. Values below 1200 are invalid.
This limit only applies to protected packets (Section 12.1).
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<p>You might argue that it was always supposed to be UDP datagram payload length and call this editorial to clarify that, but calling it design is probably best.</p>

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Regarding the original issue, I think I prefer something different than the two options being suggested.

3. Do not require any behavior on the client-side. Allow servers process packets (or datagrams) larger than the advertised limit.

As stated in my previous comment, there is a risk of seeing inferior performance when the client uses a large packet size that was advertised by the previous connection which is greater than the new max_packet_size, and if the server accepts 0-RTT. But the fact is that by sending a packet that is larger than 1200 bytes, the client is already taking the risk that 0-RTT packets might get dropped (by the network).

Also, I do not see why endpoints have to be required to drop packets (or datagrams) that is greater than the advertised value.

I think we can simply say that max_packet_size (or max_datagram_size) is an advisory value, much like max_idle_timeout.

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<p>Regarding the original issue, I think I prefer something different than the two options being suggested.</p>
<ol start="3">
<li>Do not require any behavior on the client-side. Allow servers process packets (or datagrams) larger than the advertised limit.</li>
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<p>As stated in my previous comment, there is a risk of seeing inferior performance when the client uses a large packet size that was advertised by the previous connection which is greater than the new max_packet_size, and if the server accepts 0-RTT. But the fact is that by sending a packet that is larger than 1200 bytes, the client is already taking the risk that 0-RTT packets might get dropped (by the network).</p>
<p>Also, I do not see why endpoints have to be required to drop packets (or datagrams) that is greater than the advertised value.</p>
<p>I think we can simply say that max_packet_size (or max_datagram_size) is an advisory value, much like max_idle_timeout.</p>

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I like @kazuho's suggestion, and I especially agree with the point about already risking the network dropping the packet if it's more than 1200 bytes.

There's no need to say you must drop the packet if it's bigger. If you ended up being able to receive the packet successfully even though it was more than you advertised, go ahead and process it.

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<p>I like <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a>'s suggestion, and I especially agree with the point about already risking the network dropping the packet if it's more than 1200 bytes.</p>
<p>There's no need to say you must drop the packet if it's bigger. If you ended up being able to receive the packet successfully even though it was more than you advertised, go ahead and process it.</p>

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I agree that clarifying this would be helpful. However, I think the term "datagram" is already very overloaded (for example we have a [DATAGRAM frame](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram)), how about something very explicit such as `max_udp_payload_size`?

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<p>I agree that clarifying this would be helpful. However, I think the term "datagram" is already very overloaded (for example we have a <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram" rel="nofollow">DATAGRAM frame</a>), how about something very explicit such as <code>max_udp_payload_size</code>?</p>

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bencebeky commented on this pull request.



>  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of

I have a slight preference of adding an explicit note that encoder stream references do not count, to make sure no one unnecessarily implements tracking for them (like I foolishly did).  But I'm flexible as far as wording is concerned, and do not insist on adding this note if you don't believe it adds any value.  Let me know what you think.

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<p><b>@bencebeky</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#discussion_r382175737">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of
</pre>
<p>I have a slight preference of adding an explicit note that encoder stream references do not count, to make sure no one unnecessarily implements tracking for them (like I foolishly did).  But I'm flexible as far as wording is concerned, and do not insist on adding this note if you don't believe it adds any value.  Let me know what you think.</p>

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>  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of

I agree with your observation, thank you.  I removed "unacknowledged" from this sentence.  Does it read better?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#discussion_r382175763">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of
</pre>
<p>I agree with your observation, thank you.  I removed "unacknowledged" from this sentence.  Does it read better?</p>

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6ba50d14c4b3e879518a33716c17da4d0de0e031  Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into bencebeky-qpack-blocking
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I propose dropping this PR, as it is superseded by #3445 

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<p>I propose dropping this PR, as it is superseded by <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562228098" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3445" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3445">#3445</a></p>

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I still think that we have an issue with Retire Connection ID. The current spec allows to send "Retire Connection ID 0" in a 0 RTT packet if the 0-RTT packet is sent to the Initial CID. It is different from CID #0, so that meets the text in 5.1.2 -- but that would cause the handshake to fail. I would like to treat any such RCID as a protocol violation.

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<p>I still think that we have an issue with Retire Connection ID. The current spec allows to send "Retire Connection ID 0" in a 0 RTT packet if the 0-RTT packet is sent to the Initial CID. It is different from CID #0, so that meets the text in 5.1.2 -- but that would cause the handshake to fail. I would like to treat any such RCID as a protocol violation.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: d116e03baea1a4012f5d4ab20ee5619a7cca3d03
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d116e03baea1a4012f5d4ab20ee5619a7cca3d03
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-20 (Thu, 20 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Add a no-op changelog for recovery since -25


  Commit: fea5aea293a99bcdd31bb70d5b18c5c298b45a98
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fea5aea293a99bcdd31bb70d5b18c5c298b45a98
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-20 (Thu, 20 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Http since -25 changelog


  Commit: e4a4a5f5171e8a1ec2b4ca60a6fc8d3264221123
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e4a4a5f5171e8a1ec2b4ca60a6fc8d3264221123
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  Date:   2020-02-20 (Thu, 20 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  qpack changelog


  Commit: df32bc8402a900e09390e7e41c7f7cef8f8a9516
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  Date:   2020-02-20 (Thu, 20 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Commit: bac73750cfde8b0f73d1dc4ba5602b5968e70e8e
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  Date:   2020-02-20 (Thu, 20 Feb 2020)

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3472 from quicwg/ianswett-noop-recovery-changelog

Add a changelog for http, qpack, tls, and recovery since -25


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5f29a7d639eb...bac73750cfde


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I suppose the only normative change from the existing text would be that clients MAY forget the value from previous connections when sending 0RTT. While I don't have a strong opinion on this, I think I'd prefer to just close this with no action, or at most an editorial change, thus forcing clients to remember the value. Freeing the client is not a lot of value add for protocol churn at this stage.

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<p>I suppose the only normative change from the existing text would be that clients MAY forget the value from previous connections when sending 0RTT. While I don't have a strong opinion on this, I think I'd prefer to just close this with no action, or at most an editorial change, thus forcing clients to remember the value. Freeing the client is not a lot of value add for protocol churn at this stage.</p>

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I like the change, but would strongly encourage us to just make it editorial. This is a very clear case of "we know what we meant."

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<p>I like the change, but would strongly encourage us to just make it editorial. This is a very clear case of "we know what we meant."</p>

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@martinduke want to write a PR and that should clarify whether it's editorial or not?

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To highlight David's point, the DATAGRAM draft has s TP named `max_datagram_frame_size` - these two in coexistence would be unfortunate.

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<p>To highlight David's point, the DATAGRAM draft has s TP named <code>max_datagram_frame_size</code> - these two in coexistence would be unfortunate.</p>

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Fixes #3471 with the aim of being editorial. Assuming one used the only sensible interpretation of the parameter definition, there shouldn&#39;t be an code change except renaming the parameter in logs and stats.

Also took @DavidSchinazi&#39;s recommendation to avoid the overloaded word &quot;datagram.&quot;
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  * renamed max_packet_size to max_udp_size

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (17)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3471.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="568328533" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3471" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3471/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3471">#3471</a> with the aim of being editorial. Assuming one used the only sensible interpretation of the parameter definition, there shouldn't be an code change except renaming the parameter in logs and stats.</p>
<p>Also took <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/DavidSchinazi/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/DavidSchinazi">@DavidSchinazi</a>'s recommendation to avoid the overloaded word "datagram."</p>

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Well that was a very annoying merge conflict. Sorry for the noise.

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<p>Well that was a very annoying merge conflict. Sorry for the noise.</p>

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>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.

I would change this sentence to something like `This indicates that UDP packets whose payload is larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.`


>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
+  The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.
+  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This limit only applies to protected packets

What was the rationale for this text: `This limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).` ? Given the new clarification, I think we should just remove this sentence.

> @@ -4584,13 +4584,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
   reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for the connection ID negotiated during the
   handshake.
 
-max_packet_size (0x0003):
+max_udp_size (0x0003):

I think `max_udp_payload_size` is clearer than `max_udp_size` but this is still better than `max_packet_size`.

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<p><b>@DavidSchinazi</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382309380">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
</pre>
<p>I would change this sentence to something like <code>This indicates that UDP packets whose payload is larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.</code></p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382309787">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
+  The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.
+  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This limit only applies to protected packets
</pre>
<p>What was the rationale for this text: <code>This limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).</code> ? Given the new clarification, I think we should just remove this sentence.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382310044">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4584,13 +4584,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
   reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for the connection ID negotiated during the
   handshake.
 
-max_packet_size (0x0003):
+max_udp_size (0x0003):
</pre>
<p>I think <code>max_udp_payload_size</code> is clearer than <code>max_udp_size</code> but this is still better than <code>max_packet_size</code>.</p>

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>  
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+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382322415">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
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-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
</pre>
<p>agreed.</p>

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> @@ -4584,13 +4584,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
   reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for the connection ID negotiated during the
   handshake.
 
-max_packet_size (0x0003):
+max_udp_size (0x0003):

I like short names but if this in the consensus I'll change it.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382322665">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4584,13 +4584,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
   reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for the connection ID negotiated during the
   handshake.
 
-max_packet_size (0x0003):
+max_udp_size (0x0003):
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>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
+  The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.
+  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This limit only applies to protected packets

I have no idea. Maybe @martinthomson or @janaiyengar knows?

I'm happy to remove it, if it's a mistake.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382322877">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
+  The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.
+  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This limit only applies to protected packets
</pre>
<p>I have no idea. Maybe <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> or <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/janaiyengar/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/janaiyengar">@janaiyengar</a> knows?</p>
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>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.

I think we need to talk about both UDP payload size and QUIC packet size, because they are different things.

I would assume that we'd all agree that an endpoint is allowed to process UDP datagrams that are larger than the advertised maximum. The endpoint cannot consider that as a protocol violation, because UDP datagrams are not authenticated.

Contrary to that, certain QUIC packets are "protected," and an endpoint _can_ report a protocol violation if it receives a protected QUIC packet that can be decrypted, but is larger than the advertised maximum. If such check needs to be done (or should not be done) is under debate in #3447.

The new text says that "packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed."

I'd interpret this as "a receiver MAY process packets larger than this limit", and therefore would consider that this PR at the moment is trying to also close #3447, by implying that "a receiver MUST NOT close the connection when it receives a QUIC packet that is greater than the advertised limit."

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382324193">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
</pre>
<p>I think we need to talk about both UDP payload size and QUIC packet size, because they are different things.</p>
<p>I would assume that we'd all agree that an endpoint is allowed to process UDP datagrams that are larger than the advertised maximum. The endpoint cannot consider that as a protocol violation, because UDP datagrams are not authenticated.</p>
<p>Contrary to that, certain QUIC packets are "protected," and an endpoint <em>can</em> report a protocol violation if it receives a protected QUIC packet that can be decrypted, but is larger than the advertised maximum. If such check needs to be done (or should not be done) is under debate in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562840949" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447">#3447</a>.</p>
<p>The new text says that "packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed."</p>
<p>I'd interpret this as "a receiver MAY process packets larger than this limit", and therefore would consider that this PR at the moment is trying to also close <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562840949" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447">#3447</a>, by implying that "a receiver MUST NOT close the connection when it receives a QUIC packet that is greater than the advertised limit."</p>

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DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.



>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.

Are we really concerned about nodes performing this check? My understanding is that we added this transport parameter in the first place to allow folks to read UDP into a fixed-size stack buffer, and this allows an endpoint to communicate the size of that buffer to its peer. If I'm able to decrypt this packet it means I'm able to read and process it, so I shouldn't be sending a lower transport parameter. I think the sentence I propose above makes it clear that this is advisory and should not be enforced.

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<p><b>@DavidSchinazi</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382332227">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
</pre>
<p>Are we really concerned about nodes performing this check? My understanding is that we added this transport parameter in the first place to allow folks to read UDP into a fixed-size stack buffer, and this allows an endpoint to communicate the size of that buffer to its peer. If I'm able to decrypt this packet it means I'm able to read and process it, so I shouldn't be sending a lower transport parameter. I think the sentence I propose above makes it clear that this is advisory and should not be enforced.</p>

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> While I don't have a strong opinion on this, I think I'd prefer to just close this with no action, or at most an editorial change, thus forcing clients to remember the value. Freeing the client is not a lot of value add for protocol churn at this stage.

I think the counter argument would be that it does not cause churn, because clients that are willing to remember the value can.

Also, assuming that we agree that "max_packet_size" was in fact "max_udp_payload_size" (as we've been discussing in #3473), I'd point out that applying the "max_udp_payload_size" of the previous connection is going to be pretty complex. A client should not be sending a coalesced datagram that is greater than "max_udp_payload_size" until it learns that peer's maximum for the current connection. Therefore, a client would be having different limits on the packet size depending of if it is generating a coalesced packet.

I am not sure if we should design our protocol based on such a complex (and IMO fragile) design.

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<p>While I don't have a strong opinion on this, I think I'd prefer to just close this with no action, or at most an editorial change, thus forcing clients to remember the value. Freeing the client is not a lot of value add for protocol churn at this stage.</p>
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<p>I think the counter argument would be that it does not cause churn, because clients that are willing to remember the value can.</p>
<p>Also, assuming that we agree that "max_packet_size" was in fact "max_udp_payload_size" (as we've been discussing in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="568612850" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3473" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473">#3473</a>), I'd point out that applying the "max_udp_payload_size" of the previous connection is going to be pretty complex. A client should not be sending a coalesced datagram that is greater than "max_udp_payload_size" until it learns that peer's maximum for the current connection. Therefore, a client would be having different limits on the packet size depending of if it is generating a coalesced packet.</p>
<p>I am not sure if we should design our protocol based on such a complex (and IMO fragile) design.</p>

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>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.

@DavidSchinazi I totally agree with your rationale. However, #3447 discusses about enforcing the maximum at the QUIC packet level.

Anyways, regarding enforcement, I think what we need to build consensus, before discussing how it should be baked into the specification. And that might be out-of-scope for a PR that aims to be editorial. Based on that view, I think it is fine to just talk about UDP payload size here, and that having only the text you proposed is fine.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382334497">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
</pre>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/DavidSchinazi/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/DavidSchinazi">@DavidSchinazi</a> I totally agree with your rationale. However, <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="562840949" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3447">#3447</a> discusses about enforcing the maximum at the QUIC packet level.</p>
<p>Anyways, regarding enforcement, I think what we need to build consensus, before discussing how it should be baked into the specification. And that might be out-of-scope for a PR that aims to be editorial. Based on that view, I think it is fine to just talk about UDP payload size here, and that having only the text you proposed is fine.</p>

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This was never intended to be a limit on datagram size.  That is, it was intended to be a limit on the length of ciphertext passed to the AEAD.

That said, this is probably the right approach.  The size of the buffers you need to catch a UDP packet are probably more relevant than the size of the AEAD inputs.

I do note, however, that the construction of the Retry packet is such that the inputs to the AEAD might be greater in length than the packet itself.  And Retry has to be sent without even looking at the client's limits.  Maybe we need to say that Retry needs to be no more than 1179 bytes in length (to allow for the largest possible connection ID to be added).  That shouldn't be a problem in practice, as there is strong motivation for the Retry token to be much shorter than that - to the point that an 1179-byte Retry probably will have a token that doesn't allow for any data in an Initial packet - but we should be clearer about our limits.

Please don't claim that this is an editorial change.  It is not.

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<p>This was never intended to be a limit on datagram size.  That is, it was intended to be a limit on the length of ciphertext passed to the AEAD.</p>
<p>That said, this is probably the right approach.  The size of the buffers you need to catch a UDP packet are probably more relevant than the size of the AEAD inputs.</p>
<p>I do note, however, that the construction of the Retry packet is such that the inputs to the AEAD might be greater in length than the packet itself.  And Retry has to be sent without even looking at the client's limits.  Maybe we need to say that Retry needs to be no more than 1179 bytes in length (to allow for the largest possible connection ID to be added).  That shouldn't be a problem in practice, as there is strong motivation for the Retry token to be much shorter than that - to the point that an 1179-byte Retry probably will have a token that doesn't allow for any data in an Initial packet - but we should be clearer about our limits.</p>
<p>Please don't claim that this is an editorial change.  It is not.</p>

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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

See the issue for a discussion of how this limit might lead to the need for additional text regarding Retry packets.

>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of

```suggestion
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+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
+  The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.
+  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This limit only applies to protected packets

See the issue for rationale.  However, with this change it can be removed.  It does create the issue I mentioned about Retry though.

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I don't like @kazuho's proposed change.  The point of this is to express a limitation of the endpoint.  If the endpoint only has X bytes of memory for receiving packets, then it can use this limit.  Absent this, we can't ever hope to have big endpoints talking to little ones.  We will end up with middleboxes (hello CoAP).

If the limit exists at a server and the client ignores it for 0-RTT, then the effect is that 0-RTT doesn't get through.  I would rather just say that client's are expected to remember it and then if they don't they can wear the consequences.  But that can be a protocol violation.

The problem here is that we now have protection for Initial packets and no way to signal that there is a limit.  Our only real protection there is that the limit manifests in much the same way as having a lower MTU because Initial packets don't get through.

This matters especially if clients start remembering or inferring path MTU.  I don't remember us ever expressly allowing this sort of thing, but it seems like a reasonable thing that might happen when probing can be quite costly and wasteful.

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<p>I don't like <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a>'s proposed change.  The point of this is to express a limitation of the endpoint.  If the endpoint only has X bytes of memory for receiving packets, then it can use this limit.  Absent this, we can't ever hope to have big endpoints talking to little ones.  We will end up with middleboxes (hello CoAP).</p>
<p>If the limit exists at a server and the client ignores it for 0-RTT, then the effect is that 0-RTT doesn't get through.  I would rather just say that client's are expected to remember it and then if they don't they can wear the consequences.  But that can be a protocol violation.</p>
<p>The problem here is that we now have protection for Initial packets and no way to signal that there is a limit.  Our only real protection there is that the limit manifests in much the same way as having a lower MTU because Initial packets don't get through.</p>
<p>This matters especially if clients start remembering or inferring path MTU.  I don't remember us ever expressly allowing this sort of thing, but it seems like a reasonable thing that might happen when probing can be quite costly and wasteful.</p>

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<p>Thanks for doing this Ian.</p>

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> I don't like @kazuho's proposed change. The point of this is to express a limitation of the endpoint. If the endpoint only has X bytes of memory for receiving packets, then it can use this limit. Absent this, we can't ever hope to have big endpoints talking to little ones. We will end up with middleboxes (hello CoAP).

Yes, I share the view that the sender should adhere to the receiver's advertised limit. But that does not mean that exceeding the limit needs to trigger a protocol violation, or if the receiver should be allowed to trigger that.

I might argue that, in practice, receivers would not trigger protocol violation when it receives a QUIC packet that is larger than the advertised maximum. This is because the receiver has to decrypt the packet that is larger than its limit in order to check that the packet was not spoofed. But is there an incentive to have a buffer that is larger than the advertised maximum just for this purpose? I do not think so. I'd assume that endpoints would simply advertise its buffer size.

I think we just have different view points. One way of viewing this TP is that it is an ordinary TP, and therefore that when 0-RTT is being used, the resumed connection inherits this TP too from the previous connection.

The other way of viewing this TP is that it is an optimization of PMTUD, that lets a receiver advertise the maximum size of a datagram that is capable of processing. PMTUD needs to be applied per each connection (or to be precise per each path), regardless of if 0-RTT is used. If we view the TP this way, it can be considered something that kicks in when the TP is received for every connection.

IMO the latter view is simpler in terms of implementation complexity, and has no downsides.

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<p>I don't like <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a>'s proposed change. The point of this is to express a limitation of the endpoint. If the endpoint only has X bytes of memory for receiving packets, then it can use this limit. Absent this, we can't ever hope to have big endpoints talking to little ones. We will end up with middleboxes (hello CoAP).</p>
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<p>Yes, I share the view that the sender should adhere to the receiver's advertised limit. But that does not mean that exceeding the limit needs to trigger a protocol violation, or if the receiver should be allowed to trigger that.</p>
<p>I might argue that, in practice, receivers would not trigger protocol violation when it receives a QUIC packet that is larger than the advertised maximum. This is because the receiver has to decrypt the packet that is larger than its limit in order to check that the packet was not spoofed. But is there an incentive to have a buffer that is larger than the advertised maximum just for this purpose? I do not think so. I'd assume that endpoints would simply advertise its buffer size.</p>
<p>I think we just have different view points. One way of viewing this TP is that it is an ordinary TP, and therefore that when 0-RTT is being used, the resumed connection inherits this TP too from the previous connection.</p>
<p>The other way of viewing this TP is that it is an optimization of PMTUD, that lets a receiver advertise the maximum size of a datagram that is capable of processing. PMTUD needs to be applied per each connection (or to be precise per each path), regardless of if 0-RTT is used. If we view the TP this way, it can be considered something that kicks in when the TP is received for every connection.</p>
<p>IMO the latter view is simpler in terms of implementation complexity, and has no downsides.</p>

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If we are to impose a limit on the maximum size of Retry packets, I think a value much smaller than 1179 should be chosen. This is because a Retry token that is as large as that would leave almost no space for payload in Initial packet sent in response to the Retry packet.

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<p>If we are to impose a limit on the maximum size of Retry packets, I think a value much smaller than 1179 should be chosen. This is because a Retry token that is as large as that would leave almost no space for payload in Initial packet sent in response to the Retry packet.</p>

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@igorlord I'm not sure there is a contradiction here. You want to acknowledge all packets eventually because as you say, it is odd to have to bypass an ACK frame. But you don't want certain frames to actively initiate ACKS. I think this is covered in the three sentences that you quote.

The odd special case is when the connection terminates. What if there are pending ACKs that you don't want to acknowledge?

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<p>The odd special case is when the connection terminates. What if there are pending ACKs that you don't want to acknowledge?</p>

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@igorlord The reason it's a SHOULD is both because it's not designed to be required for QUIC to function correctly and because of the case when no ACK frame is sent prior to a connection close.

The only advantages I can think of would arise in extremely simple implementations, such as those which only track 1 ack range.  In that case, a receiver which received an ACK-only packet and then an ack-eliciting packet with a gap between the two would want to only acknowledge the ack-eliciting packet.  

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<p>The only advantages I can think of would arise in extremely simple implementations, such as those which only track 1 ack range.  In that case, a receiver which received an ACK-only packet and then an ack-eliciting packet with a gap between the two would want to only acknowledge the ack-eliciting packet.</p>

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> @@ -4584,13 +4584,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
   reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for the connection ID negotiated during the
   handshake.
 
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OK, I'm going to take 3 thumbs up as "consensus" for this cosmetic issue, and will fix it in the next commit.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382701891">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4584,13 +4584,14 @@ stateless_reset_token (0x0002):
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<p>OK, I'm going to take 3 thumbs up as "consensus" for this cosmetic issue, and will fix it in the next commit.</p>

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@martinthomson I always assumed this was the equivalent of the TCP MSS option, rather than something to do with AEAD. Even if we decide to do nothing else, we should probably add some more text about what this is communicating and how to set it. But now the last sentence about unprotected packets make sense, so thanks for the insight.

But it seems we're converging on a TCP MSS-like purpose instead.

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FWIW, I had assumed it was UDP payload size, since I need to ensure receive buffers are large enough.

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<p>FWIW, I had assumed it was UDP payload size, since I need to ensure receive buffers are large enough.</p>

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I really don't think we should place a limit on retry token size. This is very much a case of
> - Doctor! It hurts when I put my hand on the hot stove!
> - Don't do that, then!"

Also, I don't see
> - My AES-GCM-128 code cannot handle inputs that are 1221 bytes long!

as a real world problem, and we shouldn't engineer around this theoretical.

I would very much be in favor of making this `max_udp_payload_size` and making it apply to all packet types.

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<p>I really don't think we should place a limit on retry token size. This is very much a case of</p>
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<p>I would very much be in favor of making this <code>max_udp_payload_size</code> and making it apply to all packet types.</p>

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@mikkelfj, @ianswett Thanks, the SHOULD in "Section "13.2.1. Sending ACK Frames" being a SHOULD due to connection termination makes sense, but it would benefit for being explicit that it is the only case when packets may never get ACKed.

@ianswett Some implementations might not care about loss of ACK-only packets, while others may care about such losses. For the latter ones, knowing of such losses is as required for correct functioning as knowing of loss of packets with DATAGRAMs (what bytes count toward a congestion window is not the only implementation concern).

I do not think that there is any burden on even the simplest implementation. If the simplest implementation detects a gap, it can send a packet with an ACK. If that gap was detected due to a receipt of an non-ack-eliciting packet, a PING frame could be included with the resulting ACK (to satisfy "_An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet._"

The bottom line is that building in a "loss ambiguity" into the protocol without a great reason is a mistake. TCP has a retransmission ambiguity, and we know it is a problem.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/mikkelfj/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/mikkelfj">@mikkelfj</a>, <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> Thanks, the SHOULD in "Section "13.2.1. Sending ACK Frames" being a SHOULD due to connection termination makes sense, but it would benefit for being explicit that it is the only case when packets may never get ACKed.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> Some implementations might not care about loss of ACK-only packets, while others may care about such losses. For the latter ones, knowing of such losses is as required for correct functioning as knowing of loss of packets with DATAGRAMs (what bytes count toward a congestion window is not the only implementation concern).</p>
<p>I do not think that there is any burden on even the simplest implementation. If the simplest implementation detects a gap, it can send a packet with an ACK. If that gap was detected due to a receipt of an non-ack-eliciting packet, a PING frame could be included with the resulting ACK (to satisfy "<em>An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet.</em>"</p>
<p>The bottom line is that building in a "loss ambiguity" into the protocol without a great reason is a mistake. TCP has a retransmission ambiguity, and we know it is a problem.</p>

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>  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.

I've applied @DavidSchinazi's original rewording suggestion but am leaving this conversation open as the subject has drifted off.

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3473#discussion_r382734956">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-: The maximum packet size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
-  packets that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that packets
-  larger than this limit will be dropped.  The default for this parameter is the
-  maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.  Values below 1200 are invalid.  This
-  limit only applies to protected packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+: The maximum udp size parameter is an integer value that limits the size of
+  UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive.  This indicates that
+  packets larger than this limit are likely not to be processed by the receiver.
</pre>
<p>I've applied <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/DavidSchinazi/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/DavidSchinazi">@DavidSchinazi</a>'s original rewording suggestion but am leaving this conversation open as the subject has drifted off.</p>

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Removes guidance on specific times in favor of descriptions of what the CID issuer might have to do if it can no longer support outstanding CIDs.

I believe the impact of this is editorial, but I touched normative statements, so if anyone disagrees please scream.

Fixes #3420.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove timing guidance

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (29)

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<p>Removes guidance on specific times in favor of descriptions of what the CID issuer might have to do if it can no longer support outstanding CIDs.</p>
<p>I believe the impact of this is editorial, but I touched normative statements, so if anyone disagrees please scream.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3420.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560321272" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3420" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3420/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3420">#3420</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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Fixes #3408.
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  * One of &#39;host&#39; or &#39;:authority&#39; is required

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (7)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3408.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="559641389" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3408" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3408/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3408">#3408</a>.</p>

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I don't know that there's much here to "take on" beyond clarifying what our design principles are, and maybe writing those down somewhere for designers of future transport parameters.  The principle here is that TPs are independent declarations by each side, not negotiations.

I've noticed as we get further and further into this process, we have a number of principles which haven't been written down which have guided our design -- and we keep revisiting them because only the resulting design is explicit.  I'm wondering if those principles belong... somewhere.  An appendix, a published draft, etc. even if not enshrined in an RFC.

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<p>I don't know that there's much here to "take on" beyond clarifying what our design principles are, and maybe writing those down somewhere for designers of future transport parameters.  The principle here is that TPs are independent declarations by each side, not negotiations.</p>
<p>I've noticed as we get further and further into this process, we have a number of principles which haven't been written down which have guided our design -- and we keep revisiting them because only the resulting design is explicit.  I'm wondering if those principles belong... somewhere.  An appendix, a published draft, etc. even if not enshrined in an RFC.</p>

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I agree with Mike. I noticed we already state this design principle in section 7.3: "These declarations are made unilaterally by each endpoint."

Taking on/resolving this issue brings transport parameters back in line with the stated property of them being declarations, not negotiated. I think this is a worthwhile change.

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<p>I agree with Mike. I noticed we already state this design principle in section 7.3: "These declarations are made unilaterally by each endpoint."</p>
<p>Taking on/resolving this issue brings transport parameters back in line with the stated property of them being declarations, not negotiated. I think this is a worthwhile change.</p>

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@LPardue, I'm going to go ahead and merge this, since it addresses the original issue and stands by itself.  If you think we need additional text elsewhere, can you open a separate issue?

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I think you need both pieces of logic anyway.  If a peer sends HANDSHAKE_DONE in a Handshake frame, that's an error regardless of role.  You need to check the packet type on receipt.  If a client sends HANDSHAKE_DONE, that's an error regardless of packet type.  You need to check the peer's role on receipt.

The assertion here is that we don't need to expand the packet type check to overlap with the role check.  Then we get into discussion about which of multiple overlapping errors you should use.  We've done that already.

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<p>I think you need both pieces of logic anyway.  If a peer sends HANDSHAKE_DONE in a Handshake frame, that's an error regardless of role.  You need to check the packet type on receipt.  If a client sends HANDSHAKE_DONE, that's an error regardless of packet type.  You need to check the peer's role on receipt.</p>
<p>The assertion here is that we don't need to expand the packet type check to overlap with the role check.  Then we get into discussion about which of multiple overlapping errors you should use.  We've done that already.</p>

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  Changed paths:
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  make transport parameters varint


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  Merge pull request #3169 from DavidSchinazi/varinttp

Make transport parameters varint


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  Commit: 15612646cc9e36ade7043fc93c4114c0221712c7
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I caught Ian adding these once, then failed to catch it a second time.
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  * Remove tabs from recovery draft
  * Lint HTAB

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<p>Recovery LG, I'll let Mike review the lint change.</p>

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I realize QUIC is fairly tied to UDP, notably in all transport text. But if you want to modify QUIC to run over a separate channel like over a bluetooth bus, would you then invent a new transport parameter for that, or would packet size be the right choice? If so, renaming to UDP might have some consequences.

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<p>I realize QUIC is fairly tied to UDP, notably in all transport text. But if you want to modify QUIC to run over a separate channel like over a bluetooth bus, would you then invent a new transport parameter for that, or would packet size be the right choice? If so, renaming to UDP might have some consequences.</p>

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Could we possibly use the term segment as in max_segment_size to refer to the UDP payload size including aggregated packets in one payload? Using such a term is transport media neutral and would work over non-UDP media as well.

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<p>Could we possibly use the term segment as in max_segment_size to refer to the UDP payload size including aggregated packets in one payload? Using such a term is transport media neutral and would work over non-UDP media as well.</p>

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@mikkelfj Note that the name of the document is "QUIC: A UDP-Based Multiplexed and Secure Transport".

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> @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be at least 2.
+  If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  If an
+  endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the active_connection_id_limit
+  value received from its peer is ignored and not used, as
+  NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames cannot be sent by an endpoint that opts for a
+  zero-length connection ID.
 

Is the parameter also ignored in future connections where TP is stored?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r382903890">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be at least 2.
+  If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  If an
+  endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the active_connection_id_limit
+  value received from its peer is ignored and not used, as
+  NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames cannot be sent by an endpoint that opts for a
+  zero-length connection ID.
 
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<p>Is the parameter also ignored in future connections where TP is stored?</p>

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mikkelfj commented on this pull request.



> @@ -2420,20 +2420,22 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Restarting when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time
+out when initiating new activity.  Only restarting when sending after receipt of
+a packet ensures the idle timeout is not excessively lengthened past the time
+the peer's timeout has expired.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid
+an idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
 flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.

Perhaps clarify that it is the application that decides when to keep a connection alive.

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<p><b>@mikkelfj</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3444#discussion_r382905436">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2420,20 +2420,22 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Restarting when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time
+out when initiating new activity.  Only restarting when sending after receipt of
+a packet ensures the idle timeout is not excessively lengthened past the time
+the peer&#39;s timeout has expired.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid
+an idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
 flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
</pre>
<p>Perhaps clarify that it is the application that decides when to keep a connection alive.</p>

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@martinthomson I think it is good to have a clear definition of what pacing means when QUIC has that as a requirement for one operational mode. I'm not sure it is really helpful by itself in guiding the user towards queueing disciplines such as deficit round robin. I'd prefer at least a mention of such an algorithm as one way to achieve the desired behaviour rather then referring to qdisc. Such a name can searched and Wikipedia will answer.

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Catching up on old PR's: The text says that the client can consider the handshake done when receiving a handshake done frame. Such a frame can only be sent in 1-RTT and the server can only send it when it completes the handshake. However, a MITM could inject a handshake done packet earlier in the flow.

Even if the client is required to reject early handshake done frames, it might be a good idea to make it explicit that a handshake done packet MUST NOT be trusted before 1-RTT.

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<p>Catching up on old PR's: The text says that the client can consider the handshake done when receiving a handshake done frame. Such a frame can only be sent in 1-RTT and the server can only send it when it completes the handshake. However, a MITM could inject a handshake done packet earlier in the flow.</p>
<p>Even if the client is required to reject early handshake done frames, it might be a good idea to make it explicit that a handshake done packet MUST NOT be trusted before 1-RTT.</p>

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Is there a risk of amplification attacks if an attacker sends bad packets during handshake that triggers a connection close, possible to a spoofed address. Sorry, not really up to speed on handshake details, just want to make sure this isn't overlooked. I think it should be OK, since it would be below a factor 3.

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<p>Is there a risk of amplification attacks if an attacker sends bad packets during handshake that triggers a connection close, possible to a spoofed address. Sorry, not really up to speed on handshake details, just want to make sure this isn't overlooked. I think it should be OK, since it would be below a factor 3.</p>

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MITM or not, the client will terminate the connection with a Protocol Violation error if it receives a Handshake Done frame before sending the last handshake frame. 
We spent time debugging that during the Zurich interop.

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<p>MITM or not, the client will terminate the connection with a Protocol Violation error if it receives a Handshake Done frame before sending the last handshake frame.<br>
We spent time debugging that during the Zurich interop.</p>

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This is probably right.  The effect of exceeding this limit is most likely that the packet will be dropped.  So it looks like an MTU limitation that exists regardless of the path.

Encouraging clients to remember this is still the right thing to do though.  The alternative is terrible performance, as only some 0-RTT packets - the small ones - end up getting through.

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<p>This is probably right.  The effect of exceeding this limit is most likely that the packet will be dropped.  So it looks like an MTU limitation that exists regardless of the path.</p>
<p>Encouraging clients to remember this is still the right thing to do though.  The alternative is terrible performance, as only some 0-RTT packets - the small ones - end up getting through.</p>

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The text already says this, but we lost track of it.  This hopefully
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Closes #3429.



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I have read through https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3120 and related issues (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014)
and wonder if we can have it similar to Initial Packet encryption instead. I understand we already have consensus but wonder if we can make the protocol simpler.

In initial packet, the initial AEAD is calculated from Destination CID. So I propose we remove pseudo-packet concept and build AEAD from Original Destination CID to encrypt the retry token just like Initial packet encrypting its token, packet number and payload.

I see the benefits are:
- Consistent packet encryption mechanism, more code resuse (please)
- No additional buffer to build pseudo-packet
- Easier to have custom protocol (or next version) to use chosen AEAD, i.e. CHACHA20_POLY1305
- Can apply to other packets in future (e.g Version Negotiation)

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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Thanks for doing this.  I think that it's the right general approach, but I have some things that I'd like to see.

> -An endpoint MAY discard a connection ID for which retirement has been requested
-once an interval of no less than 3 PTO has elapsed since an acknowledgement is
-received for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame requesting that retirement.  Until
-then, the endpoint SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain the
-connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and

pedantic nit: stopping use and sending RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID are two discrete actions.

> -then, the endpoint SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain the
-connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
+then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.
+Failure to retire the connection IDs promptly can cause failure of the
+connection, either because the endpoint closed the connection or can no longer

"the endpoint" here is ambiguous.

> -connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
+then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.
+Failure to retire the connection IDs promptly can cause failure of the
+connection, either because the endpoint closed the connection or can no longer
+associate these connection IDs with the active connection.

I think that you might want to say "Failure to retire connection IDs promptly when requested can result in connection failures as peer might be unable to continue use of the corresponding connection IDs, resulting in either closing the connection or a stateless reset."  Or similar.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for doing this.  I think that it's the right general approach, but I have some things that I'd like to see.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3474#discussion_r382948956">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -An endpoint MAY discard a connection ID for which retirement has been requested
-once an interval of no less than 3 PTO has elapsed since an acknowledgement is
-received for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame requesting that retirement.  Until
-then, the endpoint SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain the
-connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
</pre>
<p>pedantic nit: stopping use and sending RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID are two discrete actions.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3474#discussion_r382948987">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -then, the endpoint SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain the
-connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
+then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.
+Failure to retire the connection IDs promptly can cause failure of the
+connection, either because the endpoint closed the connection or can no longer
</pre>
<p>"the endpoint" here is ambiguous.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3474#discussion_r382949056">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
+then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.
+Failure to retire the connection IDs promptly can cause failure of the
+connection, either because the endpoint closed the connection or can no longer
+associate these connection IDs with the active connection.
</pre>
<p>I think that you might want to say "Failure to retire connection IDs promptly when requested can result in connection failures as peer might be unable to continue use of the corresponding connection IDs, resulting in either closing the connection or a stateless reset."  Or similar.</p>

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

Yep, this is better.

> @@ -4549,7 +4549,6 @@ values of N are reserved to exercise the requirement that unknown transport
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As others have noted, this can be a UDP-specific value.  If we start to push this over different substrates (ATM anyone?) then a different transport parameter might be better.  Making this UDP-specific means that we can apply clean constraints on the value.

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<p>As others have noted, this can be a UDP-specific value.  If we start to push this over different substrates (ATM anyone?) then a different transport parameter might be better.  Making this UDP-specific means that we can apply clean constraints on the value.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be at least 2.
+  If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  If an
+  endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the active_connection_id_limit
+  value received from its peer is ignored and not used, as
+  NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames cannot be sent by an endpoint that opts for a
+  zero-length connection ID.
 

See #3425 for that.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r382949442">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4697,11 +4697,12 @@ active_connection_id_limit (0x000e):
   to store. This value includes the connection ID received during the handshake,
   that received in the preferred_address transport parameter, and those received
   in NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames.
-  Unless a zero-length connection ID is being used, the value of the
-  active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be no less than 2. If this
-  transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.
-  When a zero-length connection ID is being used, the active_connection_id_limit
-  parameter MUST NOT be sent.
+  The value of the active_connection_id_limit parameter MUST be at least 2.
+  If this transport parameter is absent, a default of 2 is assumed.  If an
+  endpoint uses a zero-length connection ID, the active_connection_id_limit
+  value received from its peer is ignored and not used, as
+  NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames cannot be sent by an endpoint that opts for a
+  zero-length connection ID.
 
</pre>
<p>See <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="560429994" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3425" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3425/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3425">#3425</a> for that.</p>

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> @@ -2420,20 +2420,22 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Restarting when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time
+out when initiating new activity.  Only restarting when sending after receipt of
+a packet ensures the idle timeout is not excessively lengthened past the time
+the peer's timeout has expired.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid
+an idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
 flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.

That's only true to the extent that the application controls what activity is generated.  An application needs to communicate its intent.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3444#discussion_r382949761">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2420,20 +2420,22 @@ close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
 value.
 
 An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is received
-and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending
-an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
-ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
-when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
-initiating new activity.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid an
-idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
+and processed successfully.  The idle timer is also restarted when sending the
+first ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after receiving a packet.
+Restarting when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time
+out when initiating new activity.  Only restarting when sending after receipt of
+a packet ensures the idle timeout is not excessively lengthened past the time
+the peer&#39;s timeout has expired.  An endpoint might need to send packets to avoid
+an idle timeout if it is unable to send application data due to being blocked on
 flow control limits; see {{flow-control}}.
</pre>
<p>That's only true to the extent that the application controls what activity is generated.  An application needs to communicate its intent.</p>

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove tabs from recovery draft
  * Transport parameters can be declared unilaterally

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (16)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11)

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Yes, amplification using CONNECTION_CLOSE is impossible because we require that - if you don't apply other rate limiting methods - the closing packet you send is smaller than the packet you receive.  That is, the factor is <1 in that case.  If you apply other rate limiting methods, then the 3x limit would apply, though it would be unlikely that you would ever have cause to hit that limit.

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<p>Yes, amplification using CONNECTION_CLOSE is impossible because we require that - if you don't apply other rate limiting methods - the closing packet you send is smaller than the packet you receive.  That is, the factor is &lt;1 in that case.  If you apply other rate limiting methods, then the 3x limit would apply, though it would be unlikely that you would ever have cause to hit that limit.</p>

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This idea was discussed and dismissed.  The problem here is that the HKDF application required to get the keys is significantly more expensive than applying the AEAD.  The cost of producing a Retry was considered important enough not to take this cost.

The pseudo-packet is relatively inexpensive in practice.  Allocating an extra 21 bytes and pre-filling the connection ID in that space doesn't end up costing that much.

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<p>This idea was discussed and dismissed.  The problem here is that the HKDF application required to get the keys is significantly more expensive than applying the AEAD.  The cost of producing a Retry was considered important enough not to take this cost.</p>
<p>The pseudo-packet is relatively inexpensive in practice.  Allocating an extra 21 bytes and pre-filling the connection ID in that space doesn't end up costing that much.</p>

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> @@ -554,8 +554,11 @@ The following pseudo-header fields are defined for requests:
 
 All HTTP/3 requests MUST include exactly one value for the ":method", ":scheme",
 and ":path" pseudo-header fields, unless it is a CONNECT request ({{connect}}).
-An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header fields or contains invalid
-values for those fields is malformed ({{malformed}}).
+If the ":scheme" pseudo-header field identifies a scheme which has a mandatory
+authority component (including "http" and "https"), the request MUST contain
+either an ":authority" pseudo-header field or a "Host" header field; these
+fields MUST NOT be empty. An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header

I find the wording `; these fields MUST NOT be empty.` to be slightly ambiguous because it just follows a sentence that says that they may be omitted. Perhaps something like `; additionally, if these headers are sent, their values MUST NOT be empty.`?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3475#discussion_r382952793">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -554,8 +554,11 @@ The following pseudo-header fields are defined for requests:
 
 All HTTP/3 requests MUST include exactly one value for the &quot;:method&quot;, &quot;:scheme&quot;,
 and &quot;:path&quot; pseudo-header fields, unless it is a CONNECT request ({{connect}}).
-An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header fields or contains invalid
-values for those fields is malformed ({{malformed}}).
+If the &quot;:scheme&quot; pseudo-header field identifies a scheme which has a mandatory
+authority component (including &quot;http&quot; and &quot;https&quot;), the request MUST contain
+either an &quot;:authority&quot; pseudo-header field or a &quot;Host&quot; header field; these
+fields MUST NOT be empty. An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header
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<p>I find the wording <code>; these fields MUST NOT be empty.</code> to be slightly ambiguous because it just follows a sentence that says that they may be omitted. Perhaps something like <code>; additionally, if these headers are sent, their values MUST NOT be empty.</code>?</p>

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> -## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
-
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets
+
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY
+ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before
+the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3478#discussion_r382955848">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
-
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets
+
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY
+ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before
+the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.
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[draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13) has now been published as [RFC8740](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8740).
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  * Update reference to RFC8740

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (2)

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<p><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13" rel="nofollow">draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13</a> has now been published as <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8740" rel="nofollow">RFC8740</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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>From comment https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3426#discussion_r382903890
How is the TP to be remembered when it is to be ignored when 0 length CID is received?

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How is the TP to be remembered when it is to be ignored when 0 length CID is received?</p>

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erickinnear approved this pull request.

Thanks for writing this up! 

> -An endpoint MAY discard a connection ID for which retirement has been requested
-once an interval of no less than 3 PTO has elapsed since an acknowledgement is
-received for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame requesting that retirement.  Until
-then, the endpoint SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain the
-connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and

How about: 
```
Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST stop using the 
corresponding connection IDs and retire them with RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames 
before adding the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs. 
This ordering allows an endpoint that has already supplied its peer with as many 
connection IDs as allowed by the active_connection_id_limit transport parameter 
to replace those connection IDs with new ones as necessary.
```

We'd discussed adding some extra text making it very obvious the point about the ordering enabling replacing a full limit, and having that text might make it easier to reword the first sentence further.

This still loses the idea that it may take a little while to stop using the CIDs (FWIW, I don't think we need to care about that part, the only real requirement here is that you retire them, and if you generate R_CID then you must have drained your outbound processing by the time the frame gets there).

> -connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
+then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.
+Failure to retire the connection IDs promptly can cause failure of the
+connection, either because the endpoint closed the connection or can no longer
+associate these connection IDs with the active connection.

+1 this seems to capture it, otherwise I'd be a bit unsure what "because the endpoint closed the connection" meant and why that was my fault.

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<p><b>@erickinnear</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for writing this up!</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3474#discussion_r382963612">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -An endpoint MAY discard a connection ID for which retirement has been requested
-once an interval of no less than 3 PTO has elapsed since an acknowledgement is
-received for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame requesting that retirement.  Until
-then, the endpoint SHOULD be prepared to receive packets that contain the
-connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
</pre>
<p>How about:</p>
<pre><code>Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST stop using the 
corresponding connection IDs and retire them with RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames 
before adding the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs. 
This ordering allows an endpoint that has already supplied its peer with as many 
connection IDs as allowed by the active_connection_id_limit transport parameter 
to replace those connection IDs with new ones as necessary.
</code></pre>
<p>We'd discussed adding some extra text making it very obvious the point about the ordering enabling replacing a full limit, and having that text might make it easier to reword the first sentence further.</p>
<p>This still loses the idea that it may take a little while to stop using the CIDs (FWIW, I don't think we need to care about that part, the only real requirement here is that you retire them, and if you generate R_CID then you must have drained your outbound processing by the time the frame gets there).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3474#discussion_r382963701">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -connection ID that it has requested be retired.  Subsequent incoming packets
-using that connection ID could elicit a response with the corresponding
-stateless reset token.
+An endpoint might need to stop accepting previously issued connection IDs in
+certain circumstances.  Such an endpoint can cause its peer to retire connection
+IDs by sending a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame with an increased Retire Prior To
+field.  The endpoint SHOULD continue to accept the previously issued connection
+IDs until they are retired by the peer.  If the endpoint can no longer process
+the indicated connection IDs, it MAY close the connection.
+
+Upon receipt of an increased Retire Prior To field, the peer MUST first stop
+using the corresponding connection IDs using RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames and
+then add the newly provided connection ID to the set of active connection IDs.
+Failure to retire the connection IDs promptly can cause failure of the
+connection, either because the endpoint closed the connection or can no longer
+associate these connection IDs with the active connection.
</pre>
<p>+1 this seems to capture it, otherwise I'd be a bit unsure what "because the endpoint closed the connection" meant and why that was my fault.</p>

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2fa2b972b25fa08cff394ac32ec07aaf0bc057e0  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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If HKDF-Expand-Label is expensive, can we use ODCID such as first 128 bit as the secret key and the remain as the nonce? Or can we generalize it and say SHA256 of user data (ODCID in this case) will be AEAD key and nonce?

WRT pseudo packet. I think on client side, I still need to allocate memory for a copy of received retry packet plus odcid to verify the integrity tag.

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<p>If HKDF-Expand-Label is expensive, can we use ODCID such as first 128 bit as the secret key and the remain as the nonce? Or can we generalize it and say SHA256 of user data (ODCID in this case) will be AEAD key and nonce?</p>
<p>WRT pseudo packet. I think on client side, I still need to allocate memory for a copy of received retry packet plus odcid to verify the integrity tag.</p>

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> -## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
-
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets
+
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY
+ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before
+the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.

This is unrelated content. I will trim this commit from the PR.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3478#discussion_r383016766">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
-
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets
+
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be
+available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets
+cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY
+ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before
+the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.
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<p>This is unrelated content. I will trim this commit from the PR.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 41b3967ae5fcfe974912139de243b0d91b595082
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41b3967ae5fcfe974912139de243b0d91b595082
  Author: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-02-22 (Sat, 22 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Update reference to RFC8740


  Commit: ea0cd3e665e5f6f1b5cbf05736a8c7c670a18844
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-23 (Sun, 23 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #3479 from DavidSchinazi/rfc8740

Update reference to RFC8740


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/6e13a0be0d54...ea0cd3e665e5


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Thanks! Beat me to it.

(8470 and 8740 both relate to the same sort of thing.  Not at all confusing.)

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<p>Thanks! Beat me to it.</p>
<p>(8470 and 8740 both relate to the same sort of thing.  Not at all confusing.)</p>

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Merged #3479 into master.

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Those options were also suggested.  I think that the extra AES operation (or operations) was regarded as "too expensive".

If you pull incoming packets into a buffer starting at position 21, you can pre-fill the extra stuff.  It's not great, but it can work.

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<p>Those options were also suggested.  I think that the extra AES operation (or operations) was regarded as "too expensive".</p>
<p>If you pull incoming packets into a buffer starting at position 21, you can pre-fill the extra stuff.  It's not great, but it can work.</p>

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Thanks for merging. Yeah I had a similar double-take w.r.t 8470 vs 8740

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<p>Thanks for merging. Yeah I had a similar double-take w.r.t 8470 vs 8740</p>

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This has been discussed at considerable length as @martinthomson nicely summarized, so I don't see a reason to change the previous consensus now.

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<p>This has been discussed at considerable length as <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> nicely summarized, so I don't see a reason to change the previous consensus now.</p>

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The end of #3451 strayed into whether you could expect ACKs for non-ack-eliciting packets and why it was a SHOULD not a MUST to ACK every ACK-only packet at least once.

I'm filing this to add some text about cases when you definitely would not expect to receive an ACK of an ACK-only packet(ie: connection close and dropping PN space) and clarify that a sender cannot rely on receiving an acknowledgement of every packet, whether it's ack-eliciting or not, because ACKs get lost.

It's also possible there needs to be more clarity around "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet." since I intended to disallow Igor's suggestion when I wrote that.

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<p>The end of <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="563597284" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3451" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3451/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3451">#3451</a> strayed into whether you could expect ACKs for non-ack-eliciting packets and why it was a SHOULD not a MUST to ACK every ACK-only packet at least once.</p>
<p>I'm filing this to add some text about cases when you definitely would not expect to receive an ACK of an ACK-only packet(ie: connection close and dropping PN space) and clarify that a sender cannot rely on receiving an acknowledgement of every packet, whether it's ack-eliciting or not, because ACKs get lost.</p>
<p>It's also possible there needs to be more clarity around "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet." since I intended to disallow Igor's suggestion when I wrote that.</p>

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> I do not think that there is any burden on even the simplest implementation. If the simplest implementation detects a gap, it can send a packet with an ACK. If that gap was detected due to a receipt of an non-ack-eliciting packet, a PING frame could be included with the resulting ACK (to satisfy "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet."

Your solution very much goes against what I intended for that text, so I filed #3480 to clarify what I meant and add some more text about what can be expected of ACKs.  I think it makes sense to continue discussion on that issue, if there is further discussion, because this issue is about whether ACK-only packets can be declared lost, not about acknowledgement reliability.

In particular, acknowledgements are not guaranteed to be received.  Almost all packets get acknowledged, but a sender can never rely on all packets being acknowledged, even of ACK-eliciting packets.

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<p>I do not think that there is any burden on even the simplest implementation. If the simplest implementation detects a gap, it can send a packet with an ACK. If that gap was detected due to a receipt of an non-ack-eliciting packet, a PING frame could be included with the resulting ACK (to satisfy "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps which precede the received packet."</p>
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<p>Your solution very much goes against what I intended for that text, so I filed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="569906648" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3480" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3480/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3480">#3480</a> to clarify what I meant and add some more text about what can be expected of ACKs.  I think it makes sense to continue discussion on that issue, if there is further discussion, because this issue is about whether ACK-only packets can be declared lost, not about acknowledgement reliability.</p>
<p>In particular, acknowledgements are not guaranteed to be received.  Almost all packets get acknowledged, but a sender can never rely on all packets being acknowledged, even of ACK-eliciting packets.</p>

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> @@ -1486,6 +1485,10 @@ QUIC includes the encoded transport parameters in the cryptographic handshake.
 Once the handshake completes, the transport parameters declared by the peer are
 available.  Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer.
 
+Transport parameters are declarations that are made unilaterally by each

I'd prefer this two paragraphs up closer to where it was.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3478#discussion_r383314331">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1486,6 +1485,10 @@ QUIC includes the encoded transport parameters in the cryptographic handshake.
 Once the handshake completes, the transport parameters declared by the peer are
 available.  Each endpoint validates the value provided by its peer.
 
+Transport parameters are declarations that are made unilaterally by each
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<p>I'd prefer this two paragraphs up closer to where it was.</p>

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http-core PR is merged; unparking.

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> @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 

How would that (not) impact the congestion controller?

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<p><b>@mikkelfj</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450#discussion_r383411724">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 
</pre>
<p>How would that (not) impact the congestion controller?</p>

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@martinduke pushed 2 commits.

64710472cca748614f36ece3ad206416120e8e27  MT's suggestion and resolve conflict
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Editors, I believe the latest commit covers all open concerns about the PR.

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (2)

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386aa992eda08abec37fab725b6d85f9f4ab0e4c  Fix trailing whitespaces


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> @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450#discussion_r383484552">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 
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#3348 added the " Connection IDs that are issued and not retired are considered active; any active connection ID is valid for use at any time, in any packet type. "

As far as I can tell there is not text specifying that an issued connection ID cannot be used with subsequent connections. The introduction to connection ID's state that there must not be correlation across connections, but if an issued connection ID was never consumed, there would be no correlation because it was transmitted encrypted.

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<p>As far as I can tell there is not text specifying that an issued connection ID cannot be used with subsequent connections. The introduction to connection ID's state that there must not be correlation across connections, but if an issued connection ID was never consumed, there would be no correlation because it was transmitted encrypted.</p>

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Marking this as design to avoid accidental closure of the linked issue (which is design).  Including this change in changelogs won't hurt either, though it is extremely minor.

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The text already says this, but we lost track of it.  This hopefully
clarifies that.

Closes #3429.



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I've suggested some symbolic references.

> @@ -112,9 +112,9 @@ The QUIC transport protocol incorporates stream multiplexing and per-stream flow
 control, similar to that provided by the HTTP/2 framing layer. By providing
 reliability at the stream level and congestion control across the entire
 connection, it has the capability to improve the performance of HTTP compared to
-a TCP mapping.  QUIC also incorporates TLS 1.3 at the transport layer, offering
-comparable security to running TLS over TCP, with the improved connection setup
-latency of TCP Fast Open {{?RFC7413}}.
+a TCP mapping.  QUIC also incorporates TLS 1.3 {{?RFC8446}} at the transport

```suggestion
a TCP mapping.  QUIC also incorporates TLS 1.3 {{?TLS13=RFC8446}} at the transport
```
(note line wrapping is again likely needed here)

> @@ -112,9 +112,9 @@ The QUIC transport protocol incorporates stream multiplexing and per-stream flow
 control, similar to that provided by the HTTP/2 framing layer. By providing
 reliability at the stream level and congestion control across the entire
 connection, it has the capability to improve the performance of HTTP compared to
-a TCP mapping.  QUIC also incorporates TLS 1.3 at the transport layer, offering
-comparable security to running TLS over TCP, with the improved connection setup
-latency of TCP Fast Open {{?RFC7413}}.
+a TCP mapping.  QUIC also incorporates TLS 1.3 {{?RFC8446}} at the transport
+layer, offering comparable security to running TLS over TCP, with the improved
+connection setup latency of TCP Fast Open {{?RFC7413}}.

```suggestion
connection setup latency of TCP Fast Open {{?TFO=RFC7413}}.
```

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> @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 

If you send a packet you consume bytes in flight. If you do not get an ack for that packet, eventually it is lost. I'm not sure what it means to ignore in that context unless you complete ignore an earlier packet space. But perhaps the text refers to ignoring received packets, not sent packets. In that case I would say drop, not ignore.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450#discussion_r383529337">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 
</pre>
<p>If you send a packet you consume bytes in flight. If you do not get an ack for that packet, eventually it is lost. I'm not sure what it means to ignore in that context unless you complete ignore an earlier packet space. But perhaps the text refers to ignoring received packets, not sent packets. In that case I would say drop, not ignore.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/connection-scope-id
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  Scope connection IDs to the current connection

This isn't strictly necessary, as it might be implied by the definition
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Closes #3484.



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This isn&#39;t strictly necessary, as it might be implied by the definition
of a connection ID.

I tried tweaking the connection ID definition, but it is hard to say anything concrete because of the way that addressing can also be used in combination with connection IDs to identify a connection at an endpoint.  So I left that alone.

Closes #3484.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3485

-- Commit Summary --

  * Scope connection IDs to the current connection

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7)

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<p>This isn't strictly necessary, as it might be implied by the definition<br>
of a connection ID.</p>
<p>I tried tweaking the connection ID definition, but it is hard to say anything concrete because of the way that addressing can also be used in combination with connection IDs to identify a connection at an endpoint.  So I left that alone.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3484.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="570129630" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3484" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3484/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3484">#3484</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Scope connection IDs to the current connection</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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Besides the motivation of minimizing exceptions in 0-RTT, I'm not sure why we're making this change?  Remembering more TPs makes server upgrades and config changes potentially more disruptive, as has been discussed, and there's no critical use case for the client to send NEW_CONNECTION_ID in 0-RTT.



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<p>Besides the motivation of minimizing exceptions in 0-RTT, I'm not sure why we're making this change?  Remembering more TPs makes server upgrades and config changes potentially more disruptive, as has been discussed, and there's no critical use case for the client to send NEW_CONNECTION_ID in 0-RTT.</p>

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marten-seemann approved this pull request.

Not really sure if this is necessary. The text around this sentence implies that connection IDs identify one connection (which shouldn't be too surprising in the first place). It's only when you take this one sentence out of context, that the "problem" of #3484 occurs.



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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Not really sure if this is necessary. The text around this sentence implies that connection IDs identify one connection (which shouldn't be too surprising in the first place). It's only when you take this one sentence out of context, that the "problem" of <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="570129630" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3484" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3484/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3484">#3484</a> occurs.</p>

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I agree with @ianswett. Although a client could decide to not remember the active_connection_id_limit (and would then not not be able to send more than one CID in 0-RTT packets), the server needs to store this value in order to decide whether to accept or to reject 0-RTT. This seems like a bit of a hassle for something that doesn't provide any real-world benefits.



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<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a>. Although a client could decide to not remember the active_connection_id_limit (and would then not not be able to send more than one CID in 0-RTT packets), the server needs to store this value in order to decide whether to accept or to reject 0-RTT. This seems like a bit of a hassle for something that doesn't provide any real-world benefits.</p>

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72a7800ada823d4944d5c6a9536f98169d778f6b  Use symbolic reference for TFO


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I agree that a connection ID identifies one session, and due to forbidden correlation, it is clear that a connection ID in use cannot proliferate. However, this is not implied for newly issued connection IDs. There is precedence for new tokens which do apply to new connections, so I think it is worth being precise here.

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<p>I agree that a connection ID identifies one session, and due to forbidden correlation, it is clear that a connection ID in use cannot proliferate. However, this is not implied for newly issued connection IDs. There is precedence for new tokens which do apply to new connections, so I think it is worth being precise here.</p>

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@martinduke, that's a good point that the list doesn't have to be exhaustive.  The text says clients MUST NOT remember certain parameters and MUST remember all others.  So perhaps the more apt question is whether any of these unmentioned TPs belong in the MUST-NOT list.

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@martinduke, that's a good point that the list doesn't have to be exhaustive.  The text says clients MUST NOT remember certain parameters and MUST remember all others.  So perhaps the more apt question is whether any of these unmentioned TPs belong in the MUST-NOT list.

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>     3. Is the server allowed to advertise a lower max_packet_size in its new TPs? I can imagine some use cases to motivate a "yes", and it has the advantage of being what the text already says.

> the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data

I think it's fairly clear that the client *could* violate the server's max packet size in 0-RTT so this would seem to apply.  But since the penalty for that is dropped packets, rather than connection errors, I agree that it shouldn't have to apply.

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<pre><code>3. Is the server allowed to advertise a lower max_packet_size in its new TPs? I can imagine some use cases to motivate a "yes", and it has the advantage of being what the text already says.
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<p>I think it's fairly clear that the client <em>could</em> violate the server's max packet size in 0-RTT so this would seem to apply.  But since the penalty for that is dropped packets, rather than connection errors, I agree that it shouldn't have to apply.</p>

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@martinthomson I have trouble seeing why this isn't safe.

Let's say that we change the rule to say that servers MUST reject 0RTT if max_udp_payload_size has decreased. Then the client will send its Initial, plus a bunch of 0RTT, and then get a server extension that indicates that the server isn't accepting early data. A sensible congestion controller will then disregard the inevitable 0RTT packet losses.

If we allow 0RTT in this case, the client will send the same thing. The server doesn't get, or chooses to drop, any datagram that exceeds the new max size. A sensible congestion controller will see the updated TP and disregard 0RTT packet losses that exceeded the new max size.

The second scenario doesn't strike me as any more problematic than the other.

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<p>Let's say that we change the rule to say that servers MUST reject 0RTT if max_udp_payload_size has decreased. Then the client will send its Initial, plus a bunch of 0RTT, and then get a server extension that indicates that the server isn't accepting early data. A sensible congestion controller will then disregard the inevitable 0RTT packet losses.</p>
<p>If we allow 0RTT in this case, the client will send the same thing. The server doesn't get, or chooses to drop, any datagram that exceeds the new max size. A sensible congestion controller will see the updated TP and disregard 0RTT packet losses that exceeded the new max size.</p>
<p>The second scenario doesn't strike me as any more problematic than the other.</p>

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>  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of

This might be a (very old!) holdover from when inserts weren't always on a single stream.  In that case, you might have an unacknowledged insert that depended on another entry for the field name.  But as they *are* on a single stream, the insert that causes an eviction can only arrive after the insert that has the dependency has already been processed.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3131#discussion_r383977630">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ### Limits on Dynamic Table Insertions {#blocked-insertion}
 
 Inserting entries into the dynamic table might not be possible if the table
 contains entries which cannot be evicted.
 
 A dynamic table entry cannot be evicted immediately after insertion, even if it
 has never been referenced. Once the insertion of a dynamic table entry has been
-acknowledged and there are no outstanding unacknowledged references to the
-entry, the entry becomes evictable.
+acknowledged and there are no outstanding references to the entry in
+unacknowledged header blocks, the entry becomes evictable.  Note that
+unacknowledged references on the encoder stream do not preclude the eviction of
</pre>
<p>This might be a (very old!) holdover from when inserts weren't always on a single stream.  In that case, you might have an unacknowledged insert that depended on another entry for the field name.  But as they <em>are</em> on a single stream, the insert that causes an eviction can only arrive after the insert that has the dependency has already been processed.</p>

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> -from the server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
-
-A client MUST only change the value it sends in the Destination Connection ID in
-response to the first packet of each type it receives from the server (Retry or
-Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet.  Any
-additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types
-include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.  This avoids
-problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in

Perhaps: "This means that a client might have to change the connection ID it puts in the Destination Connection ID field twice during connection establishment, [..]"

These changes are mandatory, so it is appropriate to point to those as being special.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3349#discussion_r384035721">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -from the server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
-
-A client MUST only change the value it sends in the Destination Connection ID in
-response to the first packet of each type it receives from the server (Retry or
-Initial); a server MUST set its value based on the Initial packet.  Any
-additional changes are not permitted; if subsequent packets of those types
-include a different Source Connection ID, they MUST be discarded.  This avoids
-problems that might arise from stateless processing of multiple Initial packets
-producing different connection IDs.
-
-The connection ID can change over the lifetime of a connection, especially in
-response to connection migration ({{migration}}); see {{issue-cid}} for details.
+the SCID supplied by the server as the DCID for subsequent packets, including
+all subsequent 0-RTT packets. This means that a client might change the DCID
+twice during connection establishment, once in response to a Retry and once in
</pre>
<p>Perhaps: "This means that a client might have to change the connection ID it puts in the Destination Connection ID field twice during connection establishment, [..]"</p>
<p>These changes are mandatory, so it is appropriate to point to those as being special.</p>

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The meeting notes record that there was a 12 to 1 vote for saving the value instead of using the default of 2.
https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-20-02/minutes.md#3423-active_connection_id_limit-is-unknown-for-0-rtt-1

I believe I was convinced by the argument that a server could just always use the default and never change it, so it doesn't really matter for servers.

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<p>The meeting notes record that there was a 12 to 1 vote for saving the value instead of using the default of 2.<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-20-02/minutes.md#3423-active_connection_id_limit-is-unknown-for-0-rtt-1">https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-20-02/minutes.md#3423-active_connection_id_limit-is-unknown-for-0-rtt-1</a></p>
<p>I believe I was convinced by the argument that a server could just always use the default and never change it, so it doesn't really matter for servers.</p>

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After looking back at the notes(linked on the issue), I see we had fairly strong agreement on this at the time, so I'm willing to let that stand, even if it's not what I think is the optimal choice.

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<p>After looking back at the notes(linked on the issue), I see we had fairly strong agreement on this at the time, so I'm willing to let that stand, even if it's not what I think is the optimal choice.</p>

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Modulo clearing the reason phrase, this looks good.



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<p>Modulo clearing the reason phrase, this looks good.</p>

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> -requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!HTTP2}}.
+{{frame-push-promise}}) on the request stream which generated the push. This
+allows the server push to be associated with a client request.
+
+Not all requests can be pushed.  A server MAY push requests which have the
+following properties:
+
+- cacheable (see Section 4.2.3 of [RFC7231])
+- safe (see Section 4.2.1 of [RFC7231])
+- does not include a request body
+
+Clients SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame upon receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame
+carrying a request which is not cacheable, is not known to be safe, or that
+indicates the presence of a request body.  If the pushed response arrives on a
+push stream, this MAY be treated as a stream error of type
+H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR.

Requests can be cacheable, but have answers which turn out not to be cacheable.  The distinction we settled on for H2 was that you can only promise cacheable requests, but the response need not be cacheable.

Yes, all of this is an error.  The question is whether:
- it needs to be a stream error on the response that contains the push
- it can be detected at the right layer for that to happen

My reasoning is primarily that, if you need to decompress and examine the headers to determine whether something is in error, an immediate stream error is not the right response to mandate.  Instead, you mark the push as invalid -- cancel it, and reject the push stream if it purports to arrive.

Really, this is a case of the push being malformed, and the idea is to define a response to malformed pushes that's commensurate with malformed responses -- don't use it.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3407#discussion_r384102031">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!HTTP2}}.
+{{frame-push-promise}}) on the request stream which generated the push. This
+allows the server push to be associated with a client request.
+
+Not all requests can be pushed.  A server MAY push requests which have the
+following properties:
+
+- cacheable (see Section 4.2.3 of [RFC7231])
+- safe (see Section 4.2.1 of [RFC7231])
+- does not include a request body
+
+Clients SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame upon receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame
+carrying a request which is not cacheable, is not known to be safe, or that
+indicates the presence of a request body.  If the pushed response arrives on a
+push stream, this MAY be treated as a stream error of type
+H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR.
</pre>
<p>Requests can be cacheable, but have answers which turn out not to be cacheable.  The distinction we settled on for H2 was that you can only promise cacheable requests, but the response need not be cacheable.</p>
<p>Yes, all of this is an error.  The question is whether:</p>
<ul>
<li>it needs to be a stream error on the response that contains the push</li>
<li>it can be detected at the right layer for that to happen</li>
</ul>
<p>My reasoning is primarily that, if you need to decompress and examine the headers to determine whether something is in error, an immediate stream error is not the right response to mandate.  Instead, you mark the push as invalid -- cancel it, and reject the push stream if it purports to arrive.</p>
<p>Really, this is a case of the push being malformed, and the idea is to define a response to malformed pushes that's commensurate with malformed responses -- don't use it.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/http/references
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  Changed paths:
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  Fix typo in transport draft changelog


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Fix typo in transport draft changelog


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  Lint HTAB

I caught Ian adding these once, then failed to catch it a second time.
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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  Transport parameters can be declared unilaterally

The text already says this, but we lost track of it.  This hopefully
clarifies that.

Closes #3429.


  Commit: e28286096182fa8b57a8607da90ce73144b3f105
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  Merge pull request #3478 from quicwg/unilateral-tp

Unilateral Transport Parameters


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/86f72a783870...4a202220895c


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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

I would prefer to keep the original text. We could perhaps add a sentence at the top of the paragraph, saying something like this: "It is expected to be rare that a faulty network element drops packets carrying ECT(0) or ECT(1) codepoints. However, to reduce the chances of ..."



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<p>I would prefer to keep the original text. We could perhaps add a sentence at the top of the paragraph, saying something like this: "It is expected to be rare that a faulty network element drops packets carrying ECT(0) or ECT(1) codepoints. However, to reduce the chances of ..."</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I like the first paragraph.  I'd lose the second.

> @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server's CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
+
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
+a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
+subject to address validation limits. (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}})

```suggestion
subject to address validation limits; see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
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> +Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
+coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
+its first flight.

I'm not sure about this paragraph.  It is implying something about packet composition into datagrams that is inconsistent with our general approach.

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

a few suggestions

> @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more

```suggestion
acknowledgements for all the data it has sent, it has no reason to send more
```

> @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server

```suggestion
the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets. This can happen because the server
```

> @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received

```suggestion
can reach its anti-amplification limit, and if the client has received
```

> @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not

```suggestion
additional packets, the server will be unable to send more data because it has not
```

> @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly
 constrained by the amplification restriction.
 
-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent

```suggestion
received enough data from the client or has not validated the client's address. To prevent
```

> -Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, can cause
-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;

```suggestion
this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout (PTO, 
```

> -a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data to send
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this causing a
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as
-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit and does
-not have Handshake keys, it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of
-at least 1200 bytes.  If the client has Handshake keys, it SHOULD send a
-Handshake packet.
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadlock if
+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets.  The server
+can reach its anti-amplification limit, but if the client has received
+acknowledgements for all the data is has sent, it has no reason to send more
+packets. In this case, where the client would otherwise not send any
+additional packets, the server will be unable to send because it has not
+received enough from the client or validated the clients address. To prevent
+this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout, or PTO;
+see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. In this case, the client MUST send an

```suggestion
see Section 5.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). Specifically, the client MUST send an
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<hr>=0D
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on_r384191595">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at lea=
st 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as=0D
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overl=
y=0D
 constrained by the amplification restriction.=0D
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-Packet loss, in particular loss of a Handshake packet from the server, c=
an cause=0D
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to send=0D
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this caus=
ing a=0D
-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as=0D=

-described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. If the client has no data to retransmit =
and does=0D
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m of=0D
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-Handshake packet.=0D
+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadl=
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<pre style=3D"color: #555">-the client does not send additional Initial o=
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+the client does not send additional Initial or Handshake packets. This c=
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<hr>=0D
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on_r384191935">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at lea=
st 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as=0D
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overl=
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 constrained by the amplification restriction.=0D
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-a situation in which the server cannot send when the client has no data =
to send=0D
-and the anti-amplification limit is reached. In order to avoid this caus=
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-handshake deadlock, clients MUST send a packet upon a probe timeout, as=0D=

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and does=0D
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m of=0D
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+Loss of an Initial or Handshake packet from the server can cause a deadl=
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<hr>=0D
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on_r384192225">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1626,14 +1626,17 @@ payloads of at lea=
st 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as=0D
 necessary. Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overl=
y=0D
 constrained by the amplification restriction.=0D
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d38e8c0f0d7376c66a1c0c64111177879321cb50
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-24 (Mon, 24 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Scope connection IDs to the current connection

This isn't strictly necessary, as it might be implied by the definition
of a connection ID.

Closes #3484.


  Commit: 51fdf4251200fb0daf02d2014e6be72e4683f413
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51fdf4251200fb0daf02d2014e6be72e4683f413
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-25 (Tue, 25 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3485 from quicwg/connection-scope-id

Scope connection IDs to the current connection


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4a202220895c...51fdf4251200


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> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,

```suggestion
RTO period computation.  QUIC's PTO period includes the peer's maximum expected acknowledgement delay (max_ack_delay, Section XX),
```

> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses

```suggestion
instead of using a fixed minimum period.  Unlike TCP, which collapses
```

> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window

```suggestion
the congestion window upon expiry of an RTO, QUIC does not change the congestion window
```

> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is

```suggestion
and instead sends probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
```

> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though

I don't think this is similar to F-RTO... I would remove this previous sentence.

> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than if the
+connection was not application limited.

I'm not sure I understand this last sentence... how is app-limited relevant here?

> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than if the
+connection was not application limited.
+
+A single packet loss at the tail does not indicate persistent congestion, so
+QUIC defines a time-based definition (see {{persistent-congestion}}) to

```suggestion
QUIC specifies a time-based definition (see {{persistent-congestion}}) to
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+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP=0D
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+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, whic=
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+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP=0D
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> @@ -659,21 +660,37 @@ treats a Congestion Experienced(CE) codepoint in the IP header as a signal of
 congestion. This document specifies an endpoint's response when its peer
 receives packets with the Congestion Experienced codepoint.
 
+## Initial and Minimum Congestion Window {#initial-cwnd}
+
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start with the congestion window set to
+an initial value.  The RECOMMENDED initial value is the minimum of
+10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).  This follows

Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of 14720 or twice the maximum datagram size.

> @@ -1257,10 +1274,7 @@ and common practice.
 kInitialWindow:
 : Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes.
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3463#discussion_r384192955">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -659,21 +660,37 @@ treats a Congestion Experienced(CE) codepoint in the IP header as a signal of
 congestion. This document specifies an endpoint&#39;s response when its peer
 receives packets with the Congestion Experienced codepoint.
 
+## Initial and Minimum Congestion Window {#initial-cwnd}
+
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start with the congestion window set to
+an initial value.  The RECOMMENDED initial value is the minimum of
+10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).  This follows
</pre>
<p>Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of 14720 or twice the maximum datagram size.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3463#discussion_r384193995">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1257,10 +1274,7 @@ and common practice.
 kInitialWindow:
 : Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes.
   The RECOMMENDED value is the minimum of 10 * max_datagram_size and
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<p>use min(10 * max_datagram_size, max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)))</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarify adaptive loss thresholds

Fixes #3389 by clarifying that one may start with a smaller time threshold, not a smaller packet threshold.


  Commit: d71905f1cccff82204ee98afb9c4532be3348541
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  Merge pull request #3462 from quicwg/ianswett-adaptive-loss

Clarify adaptive loss thresholds


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/51fdf4251200...d71905f1cccf


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Closed #3389 via #3462.

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<p>Closed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="554093981" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3389" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3389/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3389">#3389</a> via <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="565799736" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3462" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3462/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3462">#3462</a>.</p>

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I think that is not strong enough. I think "unlikely" is a bit stronger but I also think you need to provide some reasoning why this case is discussed as all (if it is unlikely). I would really like people to understand the situation rather than indicate to implement something complicated that is probably not needed which might cause some people not implement ECN support at all.

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<p>I think that is not strong enough. I think "unlikely" is a bit stronger but I also think you need to provide some reasoning why this case is discussed as all (if it is unlikely). I would really like people to understand the situation rather than indicate to implement something complicated that is probably not needed which might cause some people not implement ECN support at all.</p>

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  HTTP/3: Add RFC8446 reference for TLS 1.3. (#3483)

* Add RFC8446 reference

* Fix formatting reported by CircleCI

* Fix trailing whitespaces

* Use  symbolic references

Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>

* Use symbolic reference for TFO

Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>

* Fix line wrapping

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> @@ -554,8 +554,11 @@ The following pseudo-header fields are defined for requests:
 
 All HTTP/3 requests MUST include exactly one value for the ":method", ":scheme",
 and ":path" pseudo-header fields, unless it is a CONNECT request ({{connect}}).
-An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header fields or contains invalid
-values for those fields is malformed ({{malformed}}).
+If the ":scheme" pseudo-header field identifies a scheme which has a mandatory
+authority component (including "http" and "https"), the request MUST contain
+either an ":authority" pseudo-header field or a "Host" header field; these
+fields MUST NOT be empty. An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header

Works for me.  While I was at it, we don't specify that they need to match, so I've added that, too.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3475#discussion_r384528162">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -554,8 +554,11 @@ The following pseudo-header fields are defined for requests:
 
 All HTTP/3 requests MUST include exactly one value for the &quot;:method&quot;, &quot;:scheme&quot;,
 and &quot;:path&quot; pseudo-header fields, unless it is a CONNECT request ({{connect}}).
-An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header fields or contains invalid
-values for those fields is malformed ({{malformed}}).
+If the &quot;:scheme&quot; pseudo-header field identifies a scheme which has a mandatory
+authority component (including &quot;http&quot; and &quot;https&quot;), the request MUST contain
+either an &quot;:authority&quot; pseudo-header field or a &quot;Host&quot; header field; these
+fields MUST NOT be empty. An HTTP request that omits mandatory pseudo-header
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<p>Works for me.  While I was at it, we don't specify that they need to match, so I've added that, too.</p>

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> @@ -1625,8 +1625,11 @@ consider the client address to have been validated.
 Prior to validating the client address, servers MUST NOT send more than three
 times as many bytes as the number of bytes they have received.  This limits the
 magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
-addresses.  In determining this limit, servers only count the size of
-successfully processed packets.
+addresses.  For the purposes of avoiding amplification prior to address
+validation, servers MUST count all of the payload bytes received in datagrams
+that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams

This feels a little duplicative, but the emphasis might be appropriate.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3470#discussion_r384542491">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1625,8 +1625,11 @@ consider the client address to have been validated.
 Prior to validating the client address, servers MUST NOT send more than three
 times as many bytes as the number of bytes they have received.  This limits the
 magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
-addresses.  In determining this limit, servers only count the size of
-successfully processed packets.
+addresses.  For the purposes of avoiding amplification prior to address
+validation, servers MUST count all of the payload bytes received in datagrams
+that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams
</pre>
<p>This feels a little duplicative, but the emphasis might be appropriate.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/close-0rtt
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 032b88e613631aa31d1d9f3e1ab58ce722cc876a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/032b88e613631aa31d1d9f3e1ab58ce722cc876a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

032b88e613631aa31d1d9f3e1ab58ce722cc876a  Reason phrase needs to be cleared


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Yes, I would like to return to `proposal-ready`.  I just wasn't sure that this was permissible.

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<p>Yes, I would like to return to <code>proposal-ready</code>.  I just wasn't sure that this was permissible.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/padding-advice
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  Add citation to website fingerprinting draft (#3417)

* Add citation to website fingerprinting draft

* Apply suggestions from code review

Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>

* Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md

* Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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Merged #3417 into padding-advice.

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  Merge pull request #2 from dtikhonov/201809120124-fix-typos

Fix a typo and a pasto


  Commit: d7d63086d8341ebe731abf0d8cf9d66fb5d0db16
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/d7d63086d8341ebe731abf0d8cf9d66fb5d0db16
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #3 from dtikhonov/201809120132-fix-link-to-routing-algorithms

Fix link to Routing Algorithms section


  Commit: de71cddfacfe37951b3bb714444e12b33ee9eb4b
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/de71cddfacfe37951b3bb714444e12b33ee9eb4b
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Minor grammatical fixes.


  Commit: 0951aa48bf7b152e6da768098da0bff43ac1a5da
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/0951aa48bf7b152e6da768098da0bff43ac1a5da
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Address #4 and #5

Fix Routing Bits field for plaintext CID algorithm.

Clarify language for setting the routing bits.


  Commit: e7ba73f55c05f1d5b5e63e57d1d4c09c924ec74b
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/e7ba73f55c05f1d5b5e63e57d1d4c09c924ec74b
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #6 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-2

Address Dmitri's Issues


  Commit: d4f9c465c728fb0eee73ec36eda1229373e3887d
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/d4f9c465c728fb0eee73ec36eda1229373e3887d
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-17 (Mon, 17 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fixing problems with formatting.


  Commit: 61c418d8bf11fcee660a2350f2dffd03b6592b88
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/61c418d8bf11fcee660a2350f2dffd03b6592b88
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-17 (Mon, 17 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
    A .circleci/config.yml
    A .gitignore
    A .travis.yml
    A CONTRIBUTING.md
    A LICENSE.md
    A Makefile

  Log Message:
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  Add git stuff


  Commit: b1091622dc3a1e82a4a8cabb9a7dfa7e89cc6145
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/b1091622dc3a1e82a4a8cabb9a7dfa7e89cc6145
  Author: root <root@ubuntu-client.pdsea.f5net.com>
  Date:   2018-09-17 (Mon, 17 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Minor fixes to get into rfc format


  Commit: 05423b2457a1cfa1141e56cb4cddaaca7e1fd60d
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/05423b2457a1cfa1141e56cb4cddaaca7e1fd60d
  Author: root <root@ubuntu-client.pdsea.f5net.com>
  Date:   2018-09-17 (Mon, 17 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  More markdown adjustments


  Commit: 71383289de8041dcaccab12d84122498925ec837
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/71383289de8041dcaccab12d84122498925ec837
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-24 (Mon, 24 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Guarantee Servers at least 16 CID bits

If they're willing to have a long enough CID, servers should get at least 16 bits for their own purposes.


  Commit: c7f3ac45dcb1140527468fb4e5315bc0e1afe553
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/c7f3ac45dcb1140527468fb4e5315bc0e1afe553
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Add support for multiple simultaneous configs

This resolves #8 and #12


  Commit: 07bf48b8c1472c09bb1dbc757cdc94c7c425ee1d
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/07bf48b8c1472c09bb1dbc757cdc94c7c425ee1d
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  clarified routing bitmask field.


  Commit: 9ce3a4dbcb5566fe58cdc3e977e726403316002b
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/9ce3a4dbcb5566fe58cdc3e977e726403316002b
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  whitespace


  Commit: 22b4d695c59a6fb52f9b33751637955522e44c30
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/22b4d695c59a6fb52f9b33751637955522e44c30
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  resolved Dmitri's issue


  Commit: 67f51d4f088be1fb208f6cb5f5f685c11925c4ab
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/67f51d4f088be1fb208f6cb5f5f685c11925c4ab
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Update change log


  Commit: 58502015bdffc937872229d9e50ee0c86c25a3b0
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/58502015bdffc937872229d9e50ee0c86c25a3b0
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #13 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-4

Add support for multiple simultaneous configs


  Commit: 3668b3fe570104d0f4d116ad3b266f0a2d9f324b
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/3668b3fe570104d0f4d116ad3b266f0a2d9f324b
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  rewrote to be clearer.


  Commit: 83722d7b17c7a3fd00c652596de4a9396aae4fd8
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/83722d7b17c7a3fd00c652596de4a9396aae4fd8
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'master' into martinduke-patch-3


  Commit: 5855664843c5d1a7ba1437282e5b093e1b33b7b1
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/5855664843c5d1a7ba1437282e5b093e1b33b7b1
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #11 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-3

Guarantee Servers at least 16 CID bits


  Commit: b043cc7444f648b88c1b09dc83025d1afbd014b1
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/b043cc7444f648b88c1b09dc83025d1afbd014b1
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-19 (Fri, 19 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Specify minimum size for AES-CTR nonce.

Resolves #14. Also limit plaintext to CIDs to >= 8B, leaving at least 5e18 combinations of routing bits for attackers to deal with.


  Commit: 6065fab9e47662a2cc6361bd04616f2d4d422fbd
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/6065fab9e47662a2cc6361bd04616f2d4d422fbd
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-20 (Sat, 20 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Add rules to plaintext CID

A few additional rules should make this even more robust to analysis.

The odd number foils this attack: I connect to a server and conduct a bunch of migrations to get lots of new connection IDs. If the divisor is an even number, the last bit of the routing mask will *always* be the same. This dramatically reduces the number of combinations I need to consider when deciphering the routing mask, and right away divides the server pool into two detectable halves.


  Commit: 5bbceddad7765afb6aed0cd2efb17667e75f1423
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/5bbceddad7765afb6aed0cd2efb17667e75f1423
  Author: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2018-10-26 (Fri, 26 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Message Format Refactor


  Commit: a15d12c633cca4c178ceeacfaedf053e8e693362
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/a15d12c633cca4c178ceeacfaedf053e8e693362
  Author: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2018-10-26 (Fri, 26 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge upstream/master


  Commit: 1757131f1b73c1dc1dacb1820d5474f97a67e130
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/1757131f1b73c1dc1dacb1820d5474f97a67e130
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-27 (Sat, 27 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #15 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-5

Specify minimum size for AES-CTR nonce.


  Commit: eb02a78c328016b33b5b6f5fbf801af34aa40129
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/eb02a78c328016b33b5b6f5fbf801af34aa40129
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-27 (Sat, 27 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #16 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-6

Add rules to plaintext CID


  Commit: 7220ae87d3eb7bd870cccd2ce44ca663a3651ccc
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/7220ae87d3eb7bd870cccd2ce44ca663a3651ccc
  Author: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2018-10-29 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Martin's comments


  Commit: 0f3ab87a760e015eed9f8f4ea95db87c7782417e
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/0f3ab87a760e015eed9f8f4ea95db87c7782417e
  Author: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2018-10-29 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'master' into pr/message-formats


  Commit: 8297b0a730fb82e73349a1d5b773fb9e17f9e039
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/8297b0a730fb82e73349a1d5b773fb9e17f9e039
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-10-29 (Mon, 29 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #17 from nibanks/pr/message-formats

Packet/Message Format Refactor


  Commit: e999e5751c67e55e67dcef91d6e588c4f39935ad
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/e999e5751c67e55e67dcef91d6e588c4f39935ad
  Author: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2018-10-30 (Tue, 30 Oct 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Copy Transport Draft Format


  Commit: 2a32339d4c53d9c6a00e6b7b2d5ff3cbbdb4c496
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/2a32339d4c53d9c6a00e6b7b2d5ff3cbbdb4c496
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #22 from nibanks/pr/formatting-cleanup

Copy Transport Draft Format


  Commit: a5af0fd119cb312ca4a31fdf465d763a3ae5de57
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/a5af0fd119cb312ca4a31fdf465d763a3ae5de57
  Author: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Use New Version Number


  Commit: 427134ac7dd76107858de49c876884b65f491ee2
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/427134ac7dd76107858de49c876884b65f491ee2
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Revise the algorithm

Resolves #19 and #21.  Also takes the design in PR #23 and explains it in a format consistent with the other algorithms.


  Commit: 833fcbc8d314af21557b4acc997bb596c616cb62
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/833fcbc8d314af21557b4acc997bb596c616cb62
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix broken sentence


  Commit: 6a368b5653bb5efb807cde860cb9233e30e10fb5
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/6a368b5653bb5efb807cde860cb9233e30e10fb5
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Typos, another broken sentence.


  Commit: d75afceb9047a3e2d9dd1e8a9c34d1c8af493474
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/d75afceb9047a3e2d9dd1e8a9c34d1c8af493474
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  typos


  Commit: 322206b7ca59a4f28b24a1d6841d60cdc59782f6
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/322206b7ca59a4f28b24a1d6841d60cdc59782f6
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Revert to 5-tuple if no config.

Resolves Issue #24


  Commit: 57d4e889eeec61027f9872801039268ca3f07af1
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/57d4e889eeec61027f9872801039268ca3f07af1
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-13 (Tue, 13 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #26 from nibanks/pr/new-version

Use New Version Number


  Commit: 08b7c6155ef39ed72b7dd9d1b723288276a5c237
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/08b7c6155ef39ed72b7dd9d1b723288276a5c237
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-14 (Wed, 14 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Addressed Kazuho's Issues


  Commit: ece8d2a1610f21a2c895df30d7d2ed84698b9553
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/ece8d2a1610f21a2c895df30d7d2ed84698b9553
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #27 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-6

Add Block Cipher CID, Revise and Rename ECID


  Commit: 4dbd41047cf9669a551f5d73a2a47794afcae55a
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/4dbd41047cf9669a551f5d73a2a47794afcae55a
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-19 (Mon, 19 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #28 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-7

Revert to 5-tuple if no config.


  Commit: 31954fb08271c930d4d82148b89320cd10f63bbe
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/31954fb08271c930d4d82148b89320cd10f63bbe
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-20 (Tue, 20 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Make config rotation part of the config 

Even if all out-of-band, you can't build the CID without them. Fixes #25


  Commit: 51d07f2f690f374815e6cea1a09d4f03c0c5586a
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/51d07f2f690f374815e6cea1a09d4f03c0c5586a
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-20 (Tue, 20 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Mentioned single-server attacks

Resolves #18


  Commit: 9984f2afb93be599a5d89b1529ec81da9dede3d5
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/9984f2afb93be599a5d89b1529ec81da9dede3d5
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #31 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-9

Mentioned single-server attacks


  Commit: f98c90b38792e08c3ecebdffbae7135fe1778aa6
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/f98c90b38792e08c3ecebdffbae7135fe1778aa6
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-11-30 (Fri, 30 Nov 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #30 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-8

Make config rotation part of the config


  Commit: fdb6f68a167936f857c73c5e2a1da3dbb8bc03aa
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/fdb6f68a167936f857c73c5e2a1da3dbb8bc03aa
  Author: Rui Paulo <rpaulo@apple.com>
  Date:   2018-12-07 (Fri, 07 Dec 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix references.


  Commit: ec84436605ac4766d1364164d0b53f186a5cdfdc
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/ec84436605ac4766d1364164d0b53f186a5cdfdc
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Limits on scid config


  Commit: 26600a2467944f3476356748aec2d7c574aa03f6
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/26600a2467944f3476356748aec2d7c574aa03f6
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #32 from rpaulo/master

Fix references.


  Commit: 88407dd9e4bd3256e862bde1fc4b730505126d2f
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/88407dd9e4bd3256e862bde1fc4b730505126d2f
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #33 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-10

Limits on scid config


  Commit: d9e776a628fe1d27c7ec2464cf41714bf5da5bbe
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/d9e776a628fe1d27c7ec2464cf41714bf5da5bbe
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update changelog


  Commit: 0a5406d4424b1972df050f7738f9330f23cbce37
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/0a5406d4424b1972df050f7738f9330f23cbce37
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018)

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  Fix document name


  Commit: baed36823168381eafe1a3b8f2f93898ccb1e8dd
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  Author: root <root@ubuntu-client.pdsea.f5net.com>
  Date:   2018-12-10 (Mon, 10 Dec 2018)

  Changed paths:
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  fix draft sumission errors


  Commit: 7dea34b3ef4b012b49cf37dfb55893b9f62c8c15
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/7dea34b3ef4b012b49cf37dfb55893b9f62c8c15
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-04-22 (Mon, 22 Apr 2019)

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  Created Obvious encoding

Resolving #36


  Commit: e52f636b05985973c61ba2fef73b424f31580487
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/e52f636b05985973c61ba2fef73b424f31580487
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-04-26 (Fri, 26 Apr 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

Fix #35. Rename "packet number encryption" to header protection, and change the algorithm from AES-CTR to AES-ECB to match (this is not a functional change, just how it's described)


  Commit: d8efd1223260769a14ab3643789b14c304973346
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/d8efd1223260769a14ab3643789b14c304973346
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-05-01 (Wed, 01 May 2019)

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  Merge pull request #39 from martinduke/martinduke-patch-11

Created Obvious encoding


  Commit: 29d7e2ce55e1ee681b0418fb6b6a31f2f85e2ea9
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/29d7e2ce55e1ee681b0418fb6b6a31f2f85e2ea9
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-05-01 (Wed, 01 May 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #40 from martinduke/origin/martinduke-patch-12

Update terminology to match QUIC header protection


  Commit: 6e7f3ace23039629a60a8748e151ceac4c7768ac
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/6e7f3ace23039629a60a8748e151ceac4c7768ac
  Author: root <root@ubuntu-client.pdsea.f5net.com>
  Date:   2019-05-10 (Fri, 10 May 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  minor problems with compile


  Commit: c8a49672669c9765b7345911d15b1fd7a82fade1
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/c8a49672669c9765b7345911d15b1fd7a82fade1
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-08-16 (Fri, 16 Aug 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Resolve #44 (20B CIDs) and #38 (CID Diagrams)


  Commit: f8686972c39f38827497292c6ce082099227175f
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/f8686972c39f38827497292c6ce082099227175f
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-08-19 (Mon, 19 Aug 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  added CIDL self-encoding


  Commit: 120e18b730e2ae1f8f1f7b1c04480527ffe2b1dc
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/120e18b730e2ae1f8f1f7b1c04480527ffe2b1dc
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-08-19 (Mon, 19 Aug 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  update changelog


  Commit: 415c983bb21f244352258cc249fe60ad4f9ca057
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/415c983bb21f244352258cc249fe60ad4f9ca057
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-08-26 (Mon, 26 Aug 2019)

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  Merge pull request #47 from martinduke/mduke-issue-41

Optional CID length self-encoding


  Commit: 13fab85d252f39be146decb61115d040ccceb82f
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/13fab85d252f39be146decb61115d040ccceb82f
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-10-09 (Wed, 09 Oct 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  added retry services


  Commit: 05cd579337e3a9a60aeda63121d5295943aafdbd
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/05cd579337e3a9a60aeda63121d5295943aafdbd
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-10-09 (Wed, 09 Oct 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Update draft-duke-quic-load-balancers.md

Co-Authored-By: Nick Banks <nibanks@microsoft.com>


  Commit: 1b0e34ca4cbfc856713d9d22a13b2cc7e8916ed0
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/1b0e34ca4cbfc856713d9d22a13b2cc7e8916ed0
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-10-09 (Wed, 09 Oct 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Addressed Nick's first comments


  Commit: 9897e70b1f771678d3bc0fad02ec74756cea123a
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/9897e70b1f771678d3bc0fad02ec74756cea123a
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-10-09 (Wed, 09 Oct 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Added spacing to token diagram


  Commit: 56443b79e5d97fbbe32d85a7ee825092dd0cdce9
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/56443b79e5d97fbbe32d85a7ee825092dd0cdce9
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-10-12 (Sat, 12 Oct 2019)

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  Merge pull request #49 from martinduke/mduke-retry-encoding

added retry services


  Commit: a785521896d8aa813662475b1162ad56fee1ff71
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-10-31 (Thu, 31 Oct 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Sowmini's comments


  Commit: 29ddc3b702847f93fe76743cbc4275b98b972b1d
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/29ddc3b702847f93fe76743cbc4275b98b972b1d
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-10-31 (Thu, 31 Oct 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  fix nits in commit


  Commit: 05ac368406afa92fe9f7cb5776c3c560fadb7509
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/05ac368406afa92fe9f7cb5776c3c560fadb7509
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-11-01 (Fri, 01 Nov 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #52 from martinduke/mduke-present-better

Address Sowmini Varadhan's comments


  Commit: 3eae575b9d92c392f32974a192027754bb42f089
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/3eae575b9d92c392f32974a192027754bb42f089
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-11-04 (Mon, 04 Nov 2019)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  handling of unmappable DCIDs


  Commit: 4a617be749f9b371bc13e5213ac170adee45bed8
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/4a617be749f9b371bc13e5213ac170adee45bed8
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-11-04 (Mon, 04 Nov 2019)

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  Merge pull request #54 from martinduke/mduke-forward-nomap

handling of unmappable DCIDs


  Commit: 433bfb946ed9756ce037006d8db7d9c65c90fd19
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-11-04 (Mon, 04 Nov 2019)

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  Log Message:
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  editorial nits for draft-06 submission


  Commit: 455da4189855d862ed480c70731785d39e052fdb
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/455da4189855d862ed480c70731785d39e052fdb
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-12-05 (Thu, 05 Dec 2019)

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  removed protocol


  Commit: 38ed45f769800daf83a777dddad72351e4a02a68
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2019-12-05 (Thu, 05 Dec 2019)

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  Addressed Nick's nit


  Commit: cf94dd693fca786420a1556d999cf691926ffa48
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/cf94dd693fca786420a1556d999cf691926ffa48
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2019-12-13 (Fri, 13 Dec 2019)

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  Merge pull request #57 from martinduke/mduke-remove-protocol

removed protocol


  Commit: 47d37a4438665957c4b795676fa6e374aad68e04
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2020-01-28 (Tue, 28 Jan 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  added file


  Commit: 464080b74b0a87d6328a76ef90c15f440da3b1fc
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  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-01-28 (Tue, 28 Jan 2020)

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  Merge pull request #59 from martinduke/ietf-migration

added file


  Commit: ed7a2c7cf921d8426bb0ff29478654d1bc78c902
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2020-01-29 (Wed, 29 Jan 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Integrate protocol removal into ietf draft


  Commit: ab898cf9e4624509841ebc7c655d619c86e6978e
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/ab898cf9e4624509841ebc7c655d619c86e6978e
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2020-01-29 (Wed, 29 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Deleted individual draft


  Commit: 568bfa12852a731f9c757ec6878f52e2c8319774
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2020-01-29 (Wed, 29 Jan 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Add historical description of in-band protocol


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/compare/ebbde1aed01a%5E...568bfa12852a


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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This reverts commit 8148836fd0f3130fa760bb5497274e156c8fd588
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This reverts commit 963e332663cb6ffb6ac4d7367a1dae1b35e5ea6e
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  Branch: refs/heads/nibanks/update-readme
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 8c52fd83cb5a0228dd696e45f556617e8156036f
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-09 (Sun, 09 Feb 2020)

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  Clarify client anti-amplification response

Clarifies why a client might send a Handshake packet, as well as generally tries to improve the anti-deadlock text.

Fixes #2598


  Commit: 6138a07267ab9a28d00eaec8f3699cf60a6dc7fe
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-09 (Sun, 09 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 2793b5c477c8ef4672c5d056510d685f83b0bf90
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2793b5c477c8ef4672c5d056510d685f83b0bf90
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-09 (Sun, 09 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Simplify


  Commit: a6e821584e80f2fa5efe02a21aba0926131d7a4d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a6e821584e80f2fa5efe02a21aba0926131d7a4d
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-09 (Sun, 09 Feb 2020)

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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 321c59afbcf01afa80373633c9ec2058a9088cf8
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Reworked Martin's suggestion


  Commit: 86ae5b47c6f73a1356b211cf4db0a6b2dcd23d85
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86ae5b47c6f73a1356b211cf4db0a6b2dcd23d85
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-15 (Sat, 15 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Martin's suggestion reworded


  Commit: 55d617658fd32b95c54f27e75d1bab5739032537
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Jana's suggestions

Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 9124ab1f5e462d386eec478e3813cfccec00148a
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 52649b9ecb3d4ddf3325e5db8891e7a2e6d95813
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52649b9ecb3d4ddf3325e5db8891e7a2e6d95813
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 1bc588fe9dc0227b2aeda8a6311f22ea7c2157a2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1bc588fe9dc0227b2aeda8a6311f22ea7c2157a2
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 1a952f91d3f8d371e5fadfb2a56fb8c63ff6d5de
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a952f91d3f8d371e5fadfb2a56fb8c63ff6d5de
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 1e60a825e535c3d1fddff7c3121b60a9bae1db40
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e60a825e535c3d1fddff7c3121b60a9bae1db40
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: b19b38b5fcb9e4c24fbdf95328fa7f6c726a5180
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b19b38b5fcb9e4c24fbdf95328fa7f6c726a5180
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 47ba99c5eba017e53d1fd1b01cc8d6386cdffbd3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/47ba99c5eba017e53d1fd1b01cc8d6386cdffbd3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #3445 from quicwg/ianswett-why-send-handshake

Clarify client anti-amplification response


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/bf46a9b1e6bc...47ba99c5eba0


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Merged #3445 into master.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-pto-vs-rto
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  Changed paths:
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d8dd73a087b177f3fa68f1dea49dff6d7f3a73fd  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-second-initial
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  Date:   2020-02-26 (Wed, 26 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
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28959f9e29563bd0e7dff9185d760a8c1fb0175b  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> +Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
+coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
+its first flight.

Thanks, I'm hoping to write text that's consistent with our approach(ie: one should not assume anything about other QUIC packets that happen to be in the same datagram) and yet note that implementations may want to bundle a small packet(ie: a PING) along with another packet in order to ensure one of the two receives an acknowledgement.  Feel free to suggest clearer text.

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r384902427">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
+coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
+its first flight.
</pre>
<p>Thanks, I'm hoping to write text that's consistent with our approach(ie: one should not assume anything about other QUIC packets that happen to be in the same datagram) and yet note that implementations may want to bundle a small packet(ie: a PING) along with another packet in order to ensure one of the two receives an acknowledgement.  Feel free to suggest clearer text.</p>

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> +Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
+coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
+its first flight.

I guess that I misread it, but here is an alternative...

An endpoint can coalesce packet from multiple packet number spaces with a probe. This allows the peer can drive loss recovery even when it is unable to process some packet types. Endpoints can include a PING frame in packets from spaces other than the one that caused the probe to be sent.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r385127395">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicits at least
+one acknowledgement.  For example, clients can coalesce an Initial packet
+containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
+coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
+its first flight.
</pre>
<p>I guess that I misread it, but here is an alternative...</p>
<p>An endpoint can coalesce packet from multiple packet number spaces with a probe. This allows the peer can drive loss recovery even when it is unable to process some packet types. Endpoints can include a PING frame in packets from spaces other than the one that caused the probe to be sent.</p>

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Clarifies exactly what the implications of not arming PTO for ApplicationData prior to handshake complete.

This came from a discussion with a coworker who read the transport and recovery drafts, but not TLS.
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  * Clarify not arming PTO for ApplicationData before completion

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (7)

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<p>Clarifies exactly what the implications of not arming PTO for ApplicationData prior to handshake complete.</p>
<p>This came from a discussion with a coworker who read the transport and recovery drafts, but not TLS.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486</a></p>

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  <li>Clarify not arming PTO for ApplicationData before completion</li>
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> @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the client

Just to clarify a bit more and clean up the run-on sentence.

ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
before it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486#discussion_r385443259">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the client
</pre>
<p>Just to clarify a bit more and clean up the run-on sentence.</p>
<p>ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client<br>
from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted<br>
0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before<br>
before it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.</p>

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  Changed paths:
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> @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the client

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486#discussion_r385444250">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the client
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Looks fine, but is there a reason to not require this?

> @@ -531,6 +531,9 @@ bytes.
 
 Initial packets and Handshake packets could be never acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
+When Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, the PTO and loss detection timers
+are reset, because discarding keys indicates forward progress and the loss

```suggestion
MUST be reset, because discarding keys indicates forward progress and the loss
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yangfanud commented on this pull request.



> @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+before it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.

redundant before?

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<p><b>@yangfanud</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486#discussion_r385451295">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+before it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.
</pre>
<p>redundant before?</p>

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Thanks! I think this is much clearer from implementation perspective.

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<p>Thanks! I think this is much clearer from implementation perspective.</p>

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> @@ -643,6 +643,12 @@ If an endpoint uses a different controller than that specified in this document,
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+Similar to TCP, Packets only containing ACK frames do not count towards bytes

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Similar to TCP, packets containing only ACK frames do not count towards bytes
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> @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server's CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.

Wait, do you mean "receives and successfully decrypts Handshake or 1-RTT", or I just get something that is marked as such?

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<p><b>@martinduke</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3080#discussion_r385454136">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -519,6 +519,24 @@ bytes.
 Initial packets and Handshake packets may never be acknowledged, but they are
 removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 
+### Speeding Up Handshake Completion
+
+When a server receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data,
+it can assume the client did not receive all of the server&#39;s CRYPTO data sent
+in Initial packets, or the client&#39;s estimated RTT is too small. When a
+client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
+it may assume some or all of the server&#39;s Initial packets were lost.
</pre>
<p>Wait, do you mean "receives and successfully decrypts Handshake or 1-RTT", or I just get something that is marked as such?</p>

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> @@ -635,7 +635,8 @@ sooner, as soon as handshake keys are available (see Section 4.10.1 of
 
 # Congestion Control {#congestion-control}
 
-This document specifies a Reno congestion controller for QUIC {{?RFC6582}}.
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Make congestion control more self-contained

Clarifies a few points and moves the initial window recommendation from the pseudocode to the text.

Fixes #3088


  Commit: 7660a51226fe6ba10b0793a88466954b0210e580
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  Separate out initial and min congestion window


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  MT's comments and minimize text in the appendix


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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  Merge pull request #3463 from quicwg/ianswett-cc-self-contained

Make congestion control more self-contained


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206ae8519c0eca337314a958ab181b9255b98643  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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  Editorial: More concise intro text

Just a proposal but I would prefer to remove the advertising slang ("decades of transport and security experience" and "makes it attractive").


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Editorial: More concise intro text (recovery)


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36da8076286a15451100e0de314338cee9b6c005  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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I'm fine with requiring it, given it's already a design issue.

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92a01a90676235a986f80b80234fd4f178517df8  remove extra 'before'


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> @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
-from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before before it has the keys to process
-a 1-RTT packet.
+ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+before it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486#discussion_r385469775">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -476,9 +476,10 @@ When ack-eliciting packets are in-flight in multiple packet number spaces,
 the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout,
 except for ApplicationData, which MUST be ignored until the handshake
 completes; see Section 4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  Not arming the PTO for
-ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake and prevents the server
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-a 1-RTT packet.
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+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+before it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.
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<p>Fixed, thanks!</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 

#3415 makes that extra clear I think.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3450#discussion_r385471040">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -690,12 +690,14 @@ losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
 ## Ignoring Loss of Undecryptable Packets	
 
-During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be	
-available when a packet arrives. In particular, Handshake and 0-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the Initial packets arrive, and 1-RTT packets	
-cannot be processed until the handshake completes.  Endpoints MAY	
-ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might arrive before	
-the peer has packet protection keys to process those packets.	
+During the handshake, some packet protection keys might not be available when
+a packet arrives and the receiver can choose to drop the packet. In particular,
+Handshake and 0-RTT packets cannot be processed until the Initial packets
+arrive and 1-RTT packets cannot be processed until the handshake completes.
+Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets that might
+have arrived before the peer has packet protection keys to process those
+packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets that were sent after
+the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet number space.
 
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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Looks good, thanks @martinduke !



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<p>Looks good, thanks <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinduke/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinduke">@martinduke</a> !</p>

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> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r385495450">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
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> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than if the
+connection was not application limited.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r385495457">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it&#39;s less aggressive than if the
+connection was not application limited.
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

One suggestion, but the rest LGTM.

> +window whenever the timer expires.  In practice, this is similar to TCP with
+F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the congestion window was
+not fully utilized prior to the probe timeout expiring. Though this is slightly
+more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than if the connection was
+not application limited.

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Some editorializing

> +ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.

```suggestion
ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents a client
from retransmitting a 0-RTT encrypted packet on a PTO expiration before
confirming that the server is able to decrypt 0-RTT packets, and prevents
a server from sending a 1-RTT-encrypted packet on a PTO expiration before
it has the keys to process an acknowledgement received in a 1-RTT-enrypted
packet.
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> +ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3486#discussion_r385586033">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +ApplicationData prioritizes completing the handshake, prevents the client
+from sending a 0-RTT packet on a PTO before it knows the server has accepted
+0-RTT, and prevents the server from sending a 1-RTT packet on a PTO before
+it has the keys to process a 1-RTT acknowledgment.
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> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than if the
+connection was not application limited.

If you weren't app-limited, then you wouldn't have CWND free to send more packets after the PTO expires.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r385732718">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
+this is slightly more aggressive than TCP RTO, it&#39;s less aggressive than if the
+connection was not application limited.
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> @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer's max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP's RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r385733412">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,6 +228,23 @@ QUIC endpoints measure the delay incurred between when a packet is received and
 when the corresponding acknowledgment is sent, allowing a peer to maintain a
 more accurate round-trip time estimate (see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).
 
+### Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
+
+QUIC uses a probe timeout (see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s
+RTO timeout.  QUIC PTO includes the peer&#39;s max_ack_delay in the calculation,
+instead of relying upon a fixed minimum RTO.  Unlike TCP&#39;s RTO, which collapses
+the congestion window upon expiry, QUIC does not change the congestion window
+and instead allows sending probe packets whenever the timer expires.  This is
+similar to TCP with F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the
+congestion window was not fully utilized when the probe timeout expires. Though
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> +window whenever the timer expires.  In practice, this is similar to TCP with
+F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the congestion window was
+not fully utilized prior to the probe timeout expiring. Though this is slightly
+more aggressive than TCP RTO, it's less aggressive than if the connection was
+not application limited.

This sentence is part of the purpose of this PR from my perspective, so I think we need something along these lines.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3441#discussion_r385733700">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +window whenever the timer expires.  In practice, this is similar to TCP with
+F-RTO, but it does allow more packets to be sent when the congestion window was
+not fully utilized prior to the probe timeout expiring. Though this is slightly
+more aggressive than TCP RTO, it&#39;s less aggressive than if the connection was
+not application limited.
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<p>This sentence is part of the purpose of this PR from my perspective, so I think we need something along these lines.</p>

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This is not only a performance problem or a potential deadlock.

If the encoder sends an unnecessarily large Required Insert Count but does not consider the stream blocked if the Known Insert Count is at least as large as the actual Required Insert Count, and the decoder does not start decoding until the Known Insert Count reaches the Required Insert Count received in the header block prefix (therefore it does not realize that the stream is in fact not blocked), then the encoder and the decoder might have a different idea about the number of blocked streams.  This might result in the decoder closing the connection due to SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS violation.

Of course is the encoder uses the same incorrect value for sending as Required Insert Count and for bookkeeping of blocked streams then this problem does not arise.

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<p>This is not only a performance problem or a potential deadlock.</p>
<p>If the encoder sends an unnecessarily large Required Insert Count but does not consider the stream blocked if the Known Insert Count is at least as large as the actual Required Insert Count, and the decoder does not start decoding until the Known Insert Count reaches the Required Insert Count received in the header block prefix (therefore it does not realize that the stream is in fact not blocked), then the encoder and the decoder might have a different idea about the number of blocked streams.  This might result in the decoder closing the connection due to SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS violation.</p>
<p>Of course is the encoder uses the same incorrect value for sending as Required Insert Count and for bookkeeping of blocked streams then this problem does not arise.</p>

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Fixes #3305.
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  * Make Required Insert Count mismatch error pharagraph less &quot;obtuse&quot;.

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (11)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #3305.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="538946368" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3305" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3305/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3305">#3305</a>.</p>

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  <li>Make Required Insert Count mismatch error pharagraph less &quot;obtuse&quot;.</li>
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> Which part is obtuse? Should I replace '...the value defined in Section 2.1.3.' and '...smaller/larger than expected' with a restatement of the expected values? I'm pretty sure it used to say that and we changed it to this. Or would moving it to another section make it easier to find?
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I created issue #3487 to see what such a restatement would look like.  For the record, I do not think this is necessary, as I do not find this paragraph ambigous, but of course this does not mean that a software developer new to QPACK would be able to immediately understand it.

Moving it to another section, like to 2.1.3 (within the encoder section), might help the text flow better.  However, since this paragraph is discussing requirements on the decoder, the subsection where it is right now is probably the most suitable one.

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<p>Which part is obtuse? Should I replace '...the value defined in Section 2.1.3.' and '...smaller/larger than expected' with a restatement of the expected values? I'm pretty sure it used to say that and we changed it to this. Or would moving it to another section make it easier to find?</p>
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<p>I created issue <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="572818483" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3487" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3487/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3487">#3487</a> to see what such a restatement would look like.  For the record, I do not think this is necessary, as I do not find this paragraph ambigous, but of course this does not mean that a software developer new to QPACK would be able to immediately understand it.</p>
<p>Moving it to another section, like to 2.1.3 (within the encoder section), might help the text flow better.  However, since this paragraph is discussing requirements on the decoder, the subsection where it is right now is probably the most suitable one.</p>

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Restating the definition of Required Insert Count in the first sentence is probably not necessary.  However, I believe rewording the second and the third sentences is an improvement.

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<p>Restating the definition of Required Insert Count in the first sentence is probably not necessary.  However, I believe rewording the second and the third sentences is an improvement.</p>

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  Deleted leftover reference to config method


  Commit: ee1de5bcac2628e6bef279e0cfff5475f6d6a39f
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  Merge pull request #1 from quicwg/mduke-cleanup-config-method

Deleted leftover reference to config method


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  Commit: bc77d7d6891cc91c53a76b102dab739cf62cd5f1
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  Merge pull request #3 from quicwg/mduke-multi-tier

Explain how load balancer chains might work


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  Branch: refs/heads/mduke-fix-readme
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers
  Commit: 71eaee5dc0dfa7ae89ee95da05fec0424e5cae99
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/71eaee5dc0dfa7ae89ee95da05fec0424e5cae99
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2020-02-28 (Fri, 28 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M CONTRIBUTING.md
    M README.md

  Log Message:
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  Branch: refs/heads/mduke-fix-readme
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers
  Commit: 1a3b46205dc5bb05d9d9a3deb71cbb758b51e295
      https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers/commit/1a3b46205dc5bb05d9d9a3deb71cbb758b51e295
  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2020-02-28 (Fri, 28 Feb 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M README.md

  Log Message:
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  Missed on path reference


