From nobody Sat Aug 1 18:29:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F8F3A0A24 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 18:29:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVCMBjLBJc-B for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 18:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 443E53A0A12 for ; 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For example, a +sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them +restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer +from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being +received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent +congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs. We use expiry elsewhere, so maybe this is slightly clearer? ```suggestion congestion without depending on the expiry of PTOs. ``` > +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent +congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a +sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them +restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer +from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being +received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent +congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs. + +### Establishing Persistent Congestion + +A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at +least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and: + +* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent; + +* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the I think this is still ambiguous if more than 2 packets are lost, so I'm reusing language below. ```suggestion * the duration between the send times of the oldest and newest lost packet exceeds the ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3961#pullrequestreview-459613948 ----==_mimepart_5f261bde8d32f_486416f8547160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f261ef38ed43_148416f83183b0-- From nobody Sat Aug 1 19:05:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28B43A0AB6 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 19:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rV5EnJWLVAO8 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 19:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B8B83A0A9E for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 19:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441547A0057 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 19:05:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596333954; bh=gkNZKMbXIAsNfvmBazVt1IqOvW8iS9xxYb88bzsxYjA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jGW6Gxk0wzG2MX0j9MxAI/5EkDCtpjZhXlinNfYU034f9Z37ThtOwUxq+70AR7u5Y hm1xbr7p2WmqdNi2BBximflw3pwVLrwzZYy6PofnFf9D0cy4BrutiqB6vF/6O3W4MC 6J9qDWY5Lcysfit4TX0itw46LGtlqZz1T0UD1ePc= Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 19:05:53 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion period: text and pseudo-code don't agree (#3972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f261f81f283c_7aa616f81004af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 02:05:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f261f81f283c_7aa616f81004af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given what I've heard, I think this is heading in an editorial direction(fix the pseudocode), though that needs a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3972#issuecomment-667612818 ----==_mimepart_5f261f81f283c_7aa616f81004af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Fixes #3944

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I like the cautionary text. Just one suggestion but LGTM regardless. Thank you for working on this. > future RTT samples that are smaller than the new RTT to be included in smoothed_rtt. +Endpoints SHOULD set the min_rtt to the newest RTT sample after persistent +congestion is established. This is to allow a connection to reset its estimate +of min_rtt and smoothed_rtt ({{smoothed-rtt}}) after a disruptive network event, +and because it is possible that an increase in path delay resulted in persistent +congestion being incorrectly declared. + +Endpoints MAY set the min_rtt to the newest RTT sample at other times in the ```suggestion Endpoints MAY reestablish min_rtt at other times in the ``` I think it might be a good idea to imply that there could be other ways of refreshing min_rtt rather than just resetting it to the newest sample. 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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f2626ec907a8_3fec16f8302318-- From nobody Sat Aug 1 20:13:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC983A0B35 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 20:13:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8WfDmP9fGPO for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 20:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB4B33A0B34 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 20:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-52827f8.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-52827f8.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.108.24]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68D084008D for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2020 20:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596337979; bh=zTEqgHmarBEMQNhmdXhwGPyuxU/8asCeZ3hxH86aEv0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dJQqgqVwqexUQmKl4lYp7qHy6Bvtpvh/MiPpLYG+TtbTZd35VnbeVv26zhnUObq0E 42CcfR6KYHhFgea3nRblazW0PlWXpb1x55GrOPYc+GzmAvam8hqCo//5vu5w3yULdl i/HZIKy1jhqeM0AR4FON8cMM3Kn6U7U4VRVzgoU8= Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 20:12:59 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Desirable behavior when it takes time to derive the traffic keys for the next PN space (#3821) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f262f3bc6759_49bf16f81196994"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 03:13:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f262f3bc6759_49bf16f81196994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to fully digest everything above, so I apologize if I missed something important. The idea that you wouldn't acknowledge packets that can be processed while waiting for keys for queued packets is clearly unrealistic for a variety of reasons, so we should definitely remove any text that assumes otherwise. I'm unclear about why moving from handshake complete to confirmed is an improvement, given the example you cite seems to imply the server is retransmitting unnecessary data due to client delays, and for the server complete and confirmed happen at almost identical times. Prior to CFIN or 1-RTT being acknowledged, the client knows the server has only one of the two keys. PTO will retransmit the CFIN on the first PTO and the 1-RTT data on a subsequent PTO(assuming the first PTO doesn't send both). I agree we expect HANDSHAKE_DONE to make this irrelevant in practice, but I can't reason about why this change is an improvement based on the problem description. Can someone lay that out for me? I believe we should make normative changes to transport along the lines of S2. Specifically, I think we should say receivers SHOULD include the delay from the time an undecryptable packet is buffered to the time it's acknowledged in the ack_delay, as well as processing all buffered packets for a given encryption level before sending an ACK. Ideally, a receiver would process buffered packets after the full datagram being processed as well, since that allows senders to fully mitigate this issue, but we could leave that to a description, rather than normative text if people prefer. This provides more information to the sender, which it can ignore if it wants, and is much better than sending an Ack Delay of 0us in that case. It's a bit odd that we say a receiver SHOULD set the ack delay field to 0 for Initial and Handshake packets today. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'm trying to fully digest everything above, so I apologize if I missed something important.

The idea that you wouldn't acknowledge packets that can be processed while waiting for keys for queued packets is clearly unrealistic for a variety of reasons, so we should definitely remove any text that assumes otherwise.

I'm unclear about why moving from handshake complete to confirmed is an improvement, given the example you cite seems to imply the server is retransmitting unnecessary data due to client delays, and for the server complete and confirmed happen at almost identical times. Prior to CFIN or 1-RTT being acknowledged, the client knows the server has only one of the two keys. PTO will retransmit the CFIN on the first PTO and the 1-RTT data on a subsequent PTO(assuming the first PTO doesn't send both). I agree we expect HANDSHAKE_DONE to make this irrelevant in practice, but I can't reason about why this change is an improvement based on the problem description. Can someone lay that out for me?

I believe we should make normative changes to transport along the lines of S2. Specifically, I think we should say receivers SHOULD include the delay from the time an undecryptable packet is buffered to the time it's acknowledged in the ack_delay, as well as processing all buffered packets for a given encryption level before sending an ACK. Ideally, a receiver would process buffered packets after the full datagram being processed as well, since that allows senders to fully mitigate this issue, but we could leave that to a description, rather than normative text if people prefer. This provides more information to the sender, which it can ignore if it wants, and is much better than sending an Ack Delay of 0us in that case. It's a bit odd that we say a receiver SHOULD set the ack delay field to 0 for Initial and Handshake packets today.

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Sorry for the excessive review delay, it took me a while to fully swap this topic in. I believe recovery needs a pseudocode update before merge this. I think @martinthomson may have a different direction on the TLS changes, so it'd be good to figure those out. > @@ -518,14 +518,20 @@ or when Initial or Handshake keys are discarded. This ensures the PTO is always set based on the latest RTT information and for the last sent packet in the correct packet number space. +When setting the PTO timer, the ApplicationData packet number space (Section +4.1.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) MUST be ignored until the handshake is confirmed. Not +arming the PTO timer on ApplicationData prevents an endpoint from retransmitting +data in packets when the peer might not yet have the keys necessary to process +them or when the endpoint does not yet have the keys necessary to process their +acknowledgements. For instance, this can happen when a client retransmits data ```suggestion acknowledgements. 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Important thing to note here is that it could not just be Finished. It might include client certificates. Theoretically, client's handshake transcript might be too large so that it requires multiple round-trips to be sent. Specifically, is the concern is that the client will have it's Handshake data acknowledged and will spuriously PTO 1-RTT packets a few times over while waiting for the server to make 1-RTT receive keys available? Is this a problem that's been observed? It seems like it would in practice require client certs, since verifying only a CFIN should be very fast. Making the change to wait for handshake confirmed to PTO 1-RTT data doesn't seem harmful given the existence of HANDSHAKE_DONE, but I'm also not sure it's going to matter much in practice. It also adds an exception to the current rule that PTO is armed when the client isn't sure the server has completed address validation or there are bytes in flight. If the Handshake data has been acknowledged, but the 1-RTT data hasn't, you'd have bytes in flight but not arm the PTO if I understand correctly. Given there's still a SHOULD about sending packets from multiple PN spaces on PTO, including Handshake + 1RTT, I think this change will perform well, but I do have apprehension about seemingly small but subtle changes like this late in the process. > > Regarding ack_delay, I might not sure if I fully follow. But I think I agree that it would become reasonable for an endpoint to send a Handshake Ack with a non-zero ack-delay, if it buffered the handshake packet that was undecryptable at the moment that packet was received, and later processed it. It is a natural outcome of us changing the definition of ack-delay to the sum of undecryptable buffering delay and acknowledgement delay. > > As Initial packets would always be decryptable, I think "SHOULD set ack delay to 0" rule can remain for Initial packets. Agreed, the potential for delay is only for the first Handshake and 1-RTT ACKs. **My summary:** The issue is that ACKs for Handshake and 1-RTT packets could be delayed because the peer doesn't have the keys(either because it takes time to derive them, or it's missing crypto data to derive the next key). This creates two potential issues(neither of which effects correctness, but could be suboptimal): 1. Packets may be acknowledged later than expected, causing the peer to spuriously PTO. 2. The first RTT sample in Handshake and 1-RTT packet spaces could have substantial delay in excess of the 'no ack delay' in Handshake or max_ack_delay for 1-RTT, which inflates SRTT and RTTVar. Changing when to arm PTO for 1-RTT data mitigates one case of the 1st issue(the server being slow to make 1-RTT receive keys available), but I don't believe it helps otherwise with the issue, such as delays in generating Handshake keys. Are there any other design changes(besides complete->confirmed) being considered or suggested for the first issue that I'm missing? If there's no loss, the second issue fixes itself without harm, which is nice. And it's not as bad for ApplicationData, since that will have a non-0 max_ack_delay, which may be enough to absorb the endpoint delay generating keys or doing cert verification, though it won't typically be enough to adjust for a packet being lost and the data being PTO'd and then that making keys available. I think Jana's suggestion ack_delay to including the time packets were buffered is sensible, and ignoring max_ack_delay for the first sample in a PN space seems relatively safe given at least one prior sample. But what if there are no Initial ACKs received and ACK with the large ack_delay is the first ACK of the connection? I guess you're stuck with one bad sample and hope the next is better? The one change we've found mitigates this issue entirely is coalescing packets from the next PN space(Handshake or 1RTT) and then processing the full coalesced packet before processing all buffered packets and sending an ACK. That ensures there's one new packet being acknowledged and you get a non-delayed RTT sample. It doesn't seem onerous to add a "SHOULD process all packets in the current datagram and all buffered packets before sending an ACK to avoid generating multiple inflated RTT samples" to me? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3821#issuecomment-667724809 ----==_mimepart_5f272b2b4d10a_375016f84212de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm unclear about why moving from handshake complete to confirmed is an improvement, given the example you cite seems to imply the server is retransmitting unnecessary data due to client delays, and for the server complete and confirmed happen at almost identical times.

I think it is because the client cannot make an assumption on how long it would take for the server to verify the client's TLS handshake messages being sent using Handshake packets. Important thing to note here is that it could not just be Finished. It might include client certificates. Theoretically, client's handshake transcript might be too large so that it requires multiple round-trips to be sent.

Specifically, is the concern is that the client will have it's Handshake data acknowledged and will spuriously PTO 1-RTT packets a few times over while waiting for the server to make 1-RTT receive keys available? Is this a problem that's been observed? It seems like it would in practice require client certs, since verifying only a CFIN should be very fast.

Making the change to wait for handshake confirmed to PTO 1-RTT data doesn't seem harmful given the existence of HANDSHAKE_DONE, but I'm also not sure it's going to matter much in practice. It also adds an exception to the current rule that PTO is armed when the client isn't sure the server has completed address validation or there are bytes in flight. If the Handshake data has been acknowledged, but the 1-RTT data hasn't, you'd have bytes in flight but not arm the PTO if I understand correctly.

Given there's still a SHOULD about sending packets from multiple PN spaces on PTO, including Handshake + 1RTT, I think this change will perform well, but I do have apprehension about seemingly small but subtle changes like this late in the process.

Regarding ack_delay, I might not sure if I fully follow. But I think I agree that it would become reasonable for an endpoint to send a Handshake Ack with a non-zero ack-delay, if it buffered the handshake packet that was undecryptable at the moment that packet was received, and later processed it. It is a natural outcome of us changing the definition of ack-delay to the sum of undecryptable buffering delay and acknowledgement delay.

As Initial packets would always be decryptable, I think "SHOULD set ack delay to 0" rule can remain for Initial packets.

Agreed, the potential for delay is only for the first Handshake and 1-RTT ACKs.

My summary: The issue is that ACKs for Handshake and 1-RTT packets could be delayed because the peer doesn't have the keys(either because it takes time to derive them, or it's missing crypto data to derive the next key).

This creates two potential issues(neither of which effects correctness, but could be suboptimal):

  1. Packets may be acknowledged later than expected, causing the peer to spuriously PTO.
  2. The first RTT sample in Handshake and 1-RTT packet spaces could have substantial delay in excess of the 'no ack delay' in Handshake or max_ack_delay for 1-RTT, which inflates SRTT and RTTVar.

Changing when to arm PTO for 1-RTT data mitigates one case of the 1st issue(the server being slow to make 1-RTT receive keys available), but I don't believe it helps otherwise with the issue, such as delays in generating Handshake keys. Are there any other design changes(besides complete->confirmed) being considered or suggested for the first issue that I'm missing?

If there's no loss, the second issue fixes itself without harm, which is nice. And it's not as bad for ApplicationData, since that will have a non-0 max_ack_delay, which may be enough to absorb the endpoint delay generating keys or doing cert verification, though it won't typically be enough to adjust for a packet being lost and the data being PTO'd and then that making keys available. I think Jana's suggestion ack_delay to including the time packets were buffered is sensible, and ignoring max_ack_delay for the first sample in a PN space seems relatively safe given at least one prior sample. But what if there are no Initial ACKs received and ACK with the large ack_delay is the first ACK of the connection? I guess you're stuck with one bad sample and hope the next is better?

The one change we've found mitigates this issue entirely is coalescing packets from the next PN space(Handshake or 1RTT) and then processing the full coalesced packet before processing all buffered packets and sending an ACK. That ensures there's one new packet being acknowledged and you get a non-delayed RTT sample. It doesn't seem onerous to add a "SHOULD process all packets in the current datagram and all buffered packets before sending an ACK to avoid generating multiple inflated RTT samples" to me?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent
+congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a
+sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them
+restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer
+from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being
+received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent
+congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs.
+
+### Establishing Persistent Congestion
+
+A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
+least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+
+* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent;
+
+* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the

That's still not correct. The point here is that there's a contiguous period that is long enough, and the duration has to be between two packets that were marked lost, not necessarily the oldest and the newest packets. For example, consider that

  • packets 1-10 were sent,
  • all odd packets were marked lost: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9.
  • the duration between 1 and 9 was greater than the persistent congestion duration.

According to the existing design, this should not be considered persistent congestion, but with your proposed text, it will be.

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----==_mimepart_5f273132bbed_213616f81360934-- From nobody Sun Aug 2 14:40:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0253A0C9D for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:40:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.152 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2VUkwYPjZB1A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 483F13A0C9C for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847FF5203FD for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:40:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596404415; bh=36oOvv+DH+U/aUvWCrM8BfT/AA0nwQzRYkl4kPx0kfM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dbJ1bE2ZNkqI4Z5Sh6SBNHG/0on9ourekeWYmzamLVLPF/jjlJAhSe8wqqB+9hAb8 DQ6unUoaN7UjnkXb7ksCDYLzKWD8djsgp2x/aJP+SmgyCEhLvGlBckiTk43/292ZiI C/n9Kydo1B5OKUZYP5uezAwr2G3Y7KTDt3RjGoDQ= Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 14:40:15 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Desirable behavior when it takes time to derive the traffic keys for the next PN space (#3821) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2732bf74ed5_6a3416f8135026c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:40:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2732bf74ed5_6a3416f8135026c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett : I'm yet to process the messages above -- but this issue is the one that was covered in [this email thread on the list](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/KBxSt7rv2PIs6RyumXwRJ0KUK6Q/). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3821#issuecomment-667728044 ----==_mimepart_5f2732bf74ed5_6a3416f8135026c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett : I'm yet to process the messages above -- but this issue is the one that was covered in this email thread on the list.

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----==_mimepart_5f2732bf74ed5_6a3416f8135026c-- From nobody Sun Aug 2 14:42:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6183A0CA3 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lQw0Gp0LS5OW for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75DD23A0CA2 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9d2806a.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9d2806a.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B68E1E1A for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:42:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596404571; bh=twR2XYM8uKsHQik0fz1HW9BRsA42WX/2uM+DtNfWTZc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=U5AybKe/83Pi0T1+bOii61wRP5gPTUo2XBOjiZAglMjiqInV+nt+MWTogGWOic+iX dTB9SvWyfR+9gAAev/g3Lpi/+CvvRzzU6ASFY7xebAjq6P0T11mu6kkSrwF0xIbtl+ 1bzFQQrF8x7p1i4O1IBZtMia+r2TtE8zXr0pWSCM= Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 14:42:51 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion period: text and pseudo-code don't agree (#3972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f27335b96947_53f516f85401da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:42:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f27335b96947_53f516f85401da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I'm not wedded to the design change, and am happy for this to be an editorial one. I'll write up a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3972#issuecomment-667728273 ----==_mimepart_5f27335b96947_53f516f85401da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, I'm not wedded to the design change, and am happy for this to be an editorial one. I'll write up a PR.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Aug 2 14:54:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C2D3A0CD3 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wrTbxQcWl-cl for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A32393A0CD2 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7288400AA for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 14:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596405243; bh=61hSWUvJavdTJEpKP06Fj6ybH5yisDhPl/byBIOkUiQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=devg2HCQSO8OKWQekcgNjoaV9rBajFm1bBuc76CfXSP93c7lrmRzLuMnFmtq/1Qd5 N/r+7VwKSjAQcVQg8c9pI5emow9Z/0pWLyKj34EGC8+57bESkeRx7Jlnuvdagt7kmp YvMSVIxp02HhpZQrGiWtgzE2/0Q1dmVpdaDitkA8= Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 14:54:03 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow for other inputs than packets (#3873) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2735fb69739_79d16f88319d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:54:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2735fb69739_79d16f88319d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why isn't #3874 adequate for this? Specifically, isn't it enough to change the stance from synchronous to asynchronous? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3873#issuecomment-667729304 ----==_mimepart_5f2735fb69739_79d16f88319d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why isn't #3874 adequate for this? Specifically, isn't it enough to change the stance from synchronous to asynchronous?

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Based on agreement on the resolution in #3975, which introduces normative language, let's mark this design.

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@kazu-yamamoto pushed 1 commit.

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@kazu-yamamoto commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1129,6 +1129,10 @@ follows:
    smoothed_rtt = kInitialRtt
    rttvar = kInitialRtt / 2
    min_rtt = 0
+   // max_ack_delay is initialized to 0 and
+   // updated when transport parameters are exchanged.
+   // If a peer does not specify max_ack_delay,
+   // it is set to 25ms.

It's also fine with me. And done in 5956eaa.

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----==_mimepart_5f2759685a01a_70dc16f88808d0-- From nobody Sun Aug 2 17:42:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2262E3A0E53 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 17:42:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86HUkM4l8ugZ for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93C9E3A0E56 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EECB7A0088 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596415374; bh=cvvZ1W1IUEcN/z51fFyXwc+24M2BrEWKRODShEjRPr0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uTcFlS/ywCsp8d6Ais5/unTaVhGi5PZYeUyhSGYstoEPhPxGMWSIdbFV/kYXO+bzv emDWyjw7mw+560eB2xbTM/TZkB/jJQWpHUoT7nC7zZbGbts6xnw3UVJSbp3ZufjCKN GeOicqjy3WG6D/ft/lBTqm+E4xuP8vpBBXcJSiPw= Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 17:42:53 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Desirable behavior when it takes time to derive the traffic keys for the next PN space (#3821) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f275d8ded4ca_192016f814352cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 00:42:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f275d8ded4ca_192016f814352cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho > Specifically, is the concern is that the client will have it's Handshake data acknowledged and will spuriously PTO 1-RTT packets a few times over while waiting for the server to make 1-RTT receive keys available? Is this a problem that's been observed? It seems like it would in practice require client certs, since verifying only a CFIN should be very fast. I think the issue is about principles. I tend to agree that it would be fine for an endpoint to arm PTO timer for 1-RTT packets, when it knows that the peer is going to be able to handle them. However, if we are going to talk about such cases, then I might point out there are other similar cases that are missing in the draft, that might be as important as the case you point out: * A server can arm 1-RTT PTO timer when an abbreviated TLS handshake (a.k.a. resumption) is being used. This is because a server to assume that the client would obtain 1-RTT read keys almost immediately. * A client can arm PTO timer for 0-RTT packets, assuming that the server would be resuming the connection. My view is that all these are "optimizations" that an endpoint might attempt, based on the knowledge of the form of the TLS handshake being used. But they are just optimizations. I think it would be fine to talk about such optimizations, but at the same time think that we should provide safe and principled rules as baseline, so that endpoints following the recommendations do not end up sending bunch of unnecessary packets. > Given there's still a SHOULD about sending packets from multiple PN spaces on PTO, including Handshake + 1RTT, I think this change will perform well, but I do have apprehension about seemingly small but subtle changes like this late in the process. Yeah, I tend to think this as a bug fix. Existing PTO rules seem to assume that the client would spend time in processing the Handshake packets, but the server would not. But the reality is more nuanced, as pointed out by the client-certificate case as well as the examples shown above. And in case where the assumption is too aggressive (the client-cert case), we might see a number of unnecessary packets being sent. All that said, I do think that we should try to minimize the impact of the changes that we introduce to the drafts. That's why I think that something along the lines of "SHOULD NOT arm PTO timer for ApplicationData packets until the handshake is confirmed, unless the sender can assume that the peer would be capable of processing ApplicationData packets when they arrive." Clients arming PTO for 1-RTT packets when client-certificate is not used would fall into this exception, and therefore the design change would not affect the existing QUIC stacks, assuming that they do not use client certificates. Stacks that do use client certificates have to have this fix applied. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3821#issuecomment-667748606 ----==_mimepart_5f275d8ded4ca_192016f814352cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Specifically, is the concern is that the client will have it's Handshake data acknowledged and will spuriously PTO 1-RTT packets a few times over while waiting for the server to make 1-RTT receive keys available? Is this a problem that's been observed? It seems like it would in practice require client certs, since verifying only a CFIN should be very fast.

I think the issue is about principles.

I tend to agree that it would be fine for an endpoint to arm PTO timer for 1-RTT packets, when it knows that the peer is going to be able to handle them. However, if we are going to talk about such cases, then I might point out there are other similar cases that are missing in the draft, that might be as important as the case you point out:

* A server can arm 1-RTT PTO timer when an abbreviated TLS handshake (a.k.a. resumption) is being used. This is because a server to assume that the client would obtain 1-RTT read keys almost immediately.
* A client can arm PTO timer for 0-RTT packets, assuming that the server would be resuming the connection.

My view is that all these are "optimizations" that an endpoint might attempt, based on the knowledge of the form of the TLS handshake being used. But they are just optimizations.

I think it would be fine to talk about such optimizations, but at the same time think that we should provide safe and principled rules as baseline, so that endpoints following the recommendations do not end up sending bunch of unnecessary packets.

Given there's still a SHOULD about sending packets from multiple PN spaces on PTO, including Handshake + 1RTT, I think this change will perform well, but I do have apprehension about seemingly small but subtle changes like this late in the process.

Yeah, I tend to think this as a bug fix. Existing PTO rules seem to assume that the client would spend time in processing the Handshake packets, but the server would not. But the reality is more nuanced, as pointed out by the client-certificate case as well as the examples shown above. And in case where the assumption is too aggressive (the client-cert case), we might see a number of unnecessary packets being sent.

All that said, I do think that we should try to minimize the impact of the changes that we introduce to the drafts. That's why I think that something along the lines of "SHOULD NOT arm PTO timer for ApplicationData packets until the handshake is confirmed, unless the sender can assume that the peer would be capable of processing ApplicationData packets when they arrive." Clients arming PTO for 1-RTT packets when client-certificate is not used would fall into this exception, and therefore the design change would not affect the existing QUIC stacks, assuming that they do not use client certificates. Stacks that do use client certificates have to have this fix applied.

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But what if there are no Initial ACKs received and ACK with the large ack_delay is the first ACK of the connection? I guess you're stuck with one bad sample and hope the next is better?

That's correct. The resolution proposed by @janaiyengar does not mitigate that issue. By including queuing delay of unencryptable packets into ack_delay, the proposed resolution improves the quality of RTT samples. But as you say, it does not mitigate the case where that would be the first sample.

It doesn't seem onerous to add a "SHOULD process all packets in the current datagram and all buffered packets before sending an ACK to avoid generating multiple inflated RTT samples" to me?

I'm not sure if doing that mitigates the problem. The proposed resolution recommends endpoints to send ACK for a handshake message before spending time to process it. As an example, a client would ack the Handshake packets before starting to verify the certificate chain. And after that, it would send a Handshake packet (that contains ClientFinished only, no ack will be included), and a 1-RTT packet acking the 0.5-RTT data sent by the server.

If the Handshake ack reached the server, then the server would have a good min_rtt estimate. If it did not, then, the next sample that the server would receive is the ack for the 0.5-RTT packet(s). As the servers do not arm the PTO timer for 0.5-RTT data, it is hard to have a protocol mechanism that prevents the first 1-RTT ACKs sent by the client from having a ack delay field that reflects the amount of time spent for verifying the certificate chain.

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I only moved text so far, and not as far as @MikeBishop suggested. I can go farther here or in a follow-up PR. Fixes #3852 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979 -- Commit Summary -- * Make the ack-tracking examplary -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (50) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979 ----==_mimepart_5f2819b77bec9_794316f834794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's no longer normative and it's in a single section.

I only moved text so far, and not as far as @MikeBishop suggested. I can go farther here or in a follow-up PR.

Fixes #3852

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979

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  • Make the ack-tracking examplary

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This is pre-existing, but this sentence is weird, particularly in the context of the "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet..." above. Is this supposed to be ", and endpoint waits until..." without the MAY? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979#pullrequestreview-460062191 ----==_mimepart_5f281be73af12_59b616f887877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ack-eliciting packet has been received to include an ACK frame with outgoing
 frames.

This is pre-existing, but this sentence is weird, particularly in the context of the "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet..." above.

Is this supposed to be ", and endpoint waits until..." without the MAY?

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(The rest of this text is an edit of my last post on that issue). The issue is that ACKs for Handshake and 1-RTT packets could be delayed because the peer doesn't have the keys(either because it takes time to derive them, or it's missing crypto data to derive the next key). The first RTT sample in Handshake and 1-RTT packet spaces could have substantial delay in excess of the 'no ack delay' in Handshake or max_ack_delay for 1-RTT, which inflates SRTT and RTTVar. If there's no loss, this fixes itself without harm, which is nice. And it's not as bad for ApplicationData, since that will have a non-0 max_ack_delay, which may be enough to absorb the endpoint delay generating keys or doing cert verification, though it won't typically be enough to adjust for a packet being lost and the data being PTO'd and then that making keys available. In #3921, Jana's suggested changing ack_delay to including the time packets were buffered as well as and ignoring max_ack_delay for the first sample in a PN space. I think this is a sensible mitigation, though it doesn't guarantee the issue will not occur. If no Initial ACKs have been received and the ACK with the large ack_delay is the first ACK of the connection, then you still can't use ack_delay. The one change we've found mitigates this issue entirely is coalescing packets from the next PN space(Handshake or 1RTT) and then processing the full coalesced packet before processing all buffered packets and sending an ACK. That ensures there's one new packet being acknowledged and you get a non-delayed RTT sample. It doesn't seem onerous to add a "SHOULD process all packets in the current datagram and all buffered packets before sending an ACK to avoid generating multiple inflated RTT samples" to me? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'm splitting this from #3821 because the set of changes are disjoint from the current PR for that issue and I think having both issues in one is making it harder to follow. (The rest of this text is an edit of my last post on that issue).

The issue is that ACKs for Handshake and 1-RTT packets could be delayed because the peer doesn't have the keys(either because it takes time to derive them, or it's missing crypto data to derive the next key).

The first RTT sample in Handshake and 1-RTT packet spaces could have substantial delay in excess of the 'no ack delay' in Handshake or max_ack_delay for 1-RTT, which inflates SRTT and RTTVar.

If there's no loss, this fixes itself without harm, which is nice. And it's not as bad for ApplicationData, since that will have a non-0 max_ack_delay, which may be enough to absorb the endpoint delay generating keys or doing cert verification, though it won't typically be enough to adjust for a packet being lost and the data being PTO'd and then that making keys available.

In #3921, Jana's suggested changing ack_delay to including the time packets were buffered as well as and ignoring max_ack_delay for the first sample in a PN space. I think this is a sensible mitigation, though it doesn't guarantee the issue will not occur.

If no Initial ACKs have been received and the ACK with the large ack_delay is the first ACK of the connection, then you still can't use ack_delay.

The one change we've found mitigates this issue entirely is coalescing packets from the next PN space(Handshake or 1RTT) and then processing the full coalesced packet before processing all buffered packets and sending an ACK. That ensures there's one new packet being acknowledged and you get a non-delayed RTT sample. It doesn't seem onerous to add a "SHOULD process all packets in the current datagram and all buffered packets before sending an ACK to avoid generating multiple inflated RTT samples" to me?

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Clarifies that ack_delay includes anytime the packets were buffered and undecryptable, as well as allowing senders to better use those first ACKs if they choose.

Fixes #3980

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  • ack_delay in the first Handshake and 1RTT packet

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 3 08:38:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3863A0DC2 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 08:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WC-VAssB-MtT for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 08:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946C53A0D7B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 08:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AB152059B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596469087; bh=6Zoumf/+xAH+dLzmDZVbNvZ1ZgzGFb1KPYM+G7KNRqg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Nn7DgVW0xYNy0daP47/cabWPJqYmpjwzsAhbqcfjcpU2nwv165JqoCAAH+n5pWNlz AeHvJtXxJPFmb0KkgeYMZxRYy6qXPvgpooX5NcVZLOjYYbb3Gd7dMdPgL/KyQ+YD9w PqbLwNKrzgkTdgb/PBzLtSSAbik9MGkKYmq4MIMs= Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 08:38:07 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Desirable behavior when it takes time to derive the traffic keys for the next PN space (#3821) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f282f5fa7dba_27e16f81337fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 15:38:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f282f5fa7dba_27e16f81337fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I created a separate issue(#3980) and PR(#3981) for the inflated RTT problem, since the solution seems fairly disjoint. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I created a separate issue(#3980) and PR(#3981) for the inflated RTT problem, since the solution seems fairly disjoint.

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But what if there are no Initial ACKs received and ACK with the large ack_delay is the first ACK of the connection? I guess you're stuck with one bad sample and hope the next is better?

That's correct. The resolution proposed by @janaiyengar does not mitigate that issue. By including queuing delay of unencryptable packets into ack_delay, the proposed resolution improves the quality of RTT samples. But as you say, it does not mitigate the case where that would be the first sample.

It doesn't seem onerous to add a "SHOULD process all packets in the current datagram and all buffered packets before sending an ACK to avoid generating multiple inflated RTT samples" to me?

I'm not sure if doing that mitigates the problem. The proposed resolution recommends endpoints to send ACK for a handshake message before spending time to process it. As an example, a client would ack the Handshake packets before starting to verify the certificate chain. And after that, it would send a Handshake packet (that contains ClientFinished only, no ack will be included), and a 1-RTT packet acking the 0.5-RTT data sent by the server.

I agree that if you have both sets of keys, the transport should send an ACK and not wait for all async crypto processing to complete. This is similar to receiving a GET request at a proxy. The proxy acknowledges the GET immediately even if it has to go to a backend to respond. But that doesn't prevent greatly inflated RTT samples when the keys aren't immediately available.

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Fair point. As I mention above, there are other ways this could be dealt with, including advice on processing buffered packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent
+congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a
+sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them
+restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer
+from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being
+received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent
+congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs.
+
+### Establishing Persistent Congestion
+
+A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
+least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+
+* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent;
+
+* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the

There's a requirement that all packets between the largest and smallest are marked lost as well, so my suggested change would still not declare this as persistent congestion(assuming 2, 4, 6 or 8 were acknowledged).

I still think this is unclear if more than 2 packets are lost, so maybe you have a suggestion?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I think this is good now, but would like @janaiyengar to confirm.

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@ianswett : I'm yet to process the messages above -- but this issue was covered in this email thread on the list.

It's also above, but the inflight PR only attempts to address part of the problem, not the inflated RTT issue that I mentioned halfway through the issue.

Also, I'm finding it confusing to track what problems are trying to be solved and what ones are already largely solved, so I was hoping restating my understanding would allow you to correct me if I'm misunderstanding something.

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The text here (aside from needing a rebase) is OK for TLS. It's the asynchronous certificate validation stuff that bothers me and that can be done as the next step (a step for which it would be good to have this PR merged).

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I would prefer to explain how certificate validation can take time and block availability of keys.

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Thanks Ian. When you lay it out like this, it seems so obvious. I checked that we don't have citations for {{ack-tracking}}, so this works nicely. If you care about the "MAY", then we can fix that in another PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ack-eliciting packet has been received to include an ACK frame with outgoing
 frames.

or "can". I don't think that there is any use for the MAY, but I don't think that the sentence is inherently bad.

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I'm not sure about this at all. This is about delays that are added by a *sender* due to being unable to process a packet (primarily due to a lack of the necessary keys). So why not be clearer about this and talk about buffering and allow ACK Delay to exceed max_ack_delay by the time that the sender holds packets. Or, put another way, when processing an ACK frame, you allow subtract the time that you held the packet in a buffer from the current time in order to calculate the RTT sample. Then you absorb any costs you imposed. That means you don't need to concern yourself with the increase to ACK Delay. As it relates to buffering, and there might be multiple buffered packets, I don't think that you can make a rule for the first packet in a packet number space. > @@ -348,14 +348,22 @@ latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +The first ACK frame in the Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces +can be greatly delayed due to a lack of decryption keys at the time they're +received. For these two ACK frames, the max_ack_delay MAY be ignored if the +sender chooses. If the delayed ACK frame is the first RTT sample, ignoring The last sentence reads as imperative, but it's more of a "Note that if the delayed" > @@ -348,14 +348,22 @@ latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +The first ACK frame in the Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces +can be greatly delayed due to a lack of decryption keys at the time they're +received. For these two ACK frames, the max_ack_delay MAY be ignored if the It's not really the first, but any packets that are buffered, right? > - MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the - Initial and Handshake packet number space. + Initial and Handshake packet number space, except for the first ACK frame + received in Handshake. I think that we are again talking about packets that might have been buffered, not just the first. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3981#pullrequestreview-460431969 ----==_mimepart_5f28b85511502_6fb516f83308c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I'm not sure about this at all.

This is about delays that are added by a sender due to being unable to process a packet (primarily due to a lack of the necessary keys). So why not be clearer about this and talk about buffering and allow ACK Delay to exceed max_ack_delay by the time that the sender holds packets.

Or, put another way, when processing an ACK frame, you allow subtract the time that you held the packet in a buffer from the current time in order to calculate the RTT sample. Then you absorb any costs you imposed. That means you don't need to concern yourself with the increase to ACK Delay.

As it relates to buffering, and there might be multiple buffered packets, I don't think that you can make a rule for the first packet in a packet number space.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -348,14 +348,22 @@ latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
 peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
 incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
 
+The first ACK frame in the Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces
+can be greatly delayed due to a lack of decryption keys at the time they're
+received. For these two ACK frames, the max_ack_delay MAY be ignored if the
+sender chooses. If the delayed ACK frame is the first RTT sample, ignoring

The last sentence reads as imperative, but it's more of a "Note that if the delayed"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -348,14 +348,22 @@ latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
 peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
 incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
 
+The first ACK frame in the Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces
+can be greatly delayed due to a lack of decryption keys at the time they're
+received. For these two ACK frames, the max_ack_delay MAY be ignored if the

It's not really the first, but any packets that are buffered, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  - MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the
-  Initial and Handshake packet number space.
+  Initial and Handshake packet number space, except for the first ACK frame
+  received in Handshake.

I think that we are again talking about packets that might have been buffered, not just the first.

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Repeating this here, so that the PR comments don't get lost:

This is about a sender having to buffer packets that might contain ACK frames. Usually, this is because the sender doesn't have the keys necessary, so they hold the packets until they do.

When processing the ACK frame, some time might have passed. So we now have 5 times in play: when the largest acknowledged packet was a) sent, and b) received; and when the packet containing the ACK was c) sent, d) buffered, and e) processed. The critical difference here is that we now recognize the intentional delays at the sender in addition to intentional delays at the receiver.

The receiver calculates and transmit c - b and sends that in ACK Delay. We have a commitment that c - b <= max_ack_delay. That doesn't need to change.

The spec currently assumes that the sender calculates RTT as e - a - (c - b) (or e - a - min(c - b, max_ack_delay) to include the cap on receiver delay). That is, the time between when the ACK is processed and when the largest acknowledged was sent, less the ACK Delay. But that's wrong. It's d - a - (c - b) that we care about.

So all we need to say is that if the sender buffers packets for processing, then it needs to calculate RTT based on the time that the packet entered the buffer. That is, we capture any intentional delays added by the sender.

Then we don't have to worry about the max_ack_delay cap, because receiver behaviour always follows the contract.

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----==_mimepart_5f28bcd57bd03_3c7916f8118194-- From nobody Mon Aug 3 20:22:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2A13A09C7 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TcOxCIzUnpjG for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 101663A09C4 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3330340202 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596511372; bh=bfOKALcLw/4Yyhc2afTqaTiQzIvxqB9unmXKBeEqbSw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=IOwkJ3VWjQli8E7EKcSXOmjt273qk9my4YGIMtS6S1ElbiInUN9+MSnpr2ZNXo80W OWqzOIdlTFZbgUCFUbSr52XADHcrHCX98tt5ufpiyJaUWDAzKKI6UUUxO68QBAnnwp 416PHAaZNO/dssysJxa7ehUIW/1b4hxh0Qqfvwds= Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 20:22:52 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] d1d4fb: Fix Praveen's name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 03:22:55 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: d1d4fb1f33d6cdc5c130f2c2f310786fb8dd82ef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1d4fb1f33d6cdc5c130f2c2f310786fb8dd82ef Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-03 (Mon, 03 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix Praveen's name From nobody Mon Aug 3 20:23:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4CA3A09F7 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:23:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JpBXbytFxdji for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CCF03A09E7 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEACE600DB9 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:23:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596511426; bh=bv6C8NkcFi563vNCgz255ZtDJoFKrQu24Mp9a7UMqNo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=hM21d7NELyIJLqbnDhxB/rskIgZP69gsG7pQI5V5FBEGn1HzvK0zf2lJOrMBHE34C xZ33FBd98YOrcLO3Fvte2rNVKcBnGTQhB9kdtMR1lau+o2yRImXyFxuIycvn8uUceY OR8ZTNhRjZYx09wMT8gq9Juhd0MCLGPHkoqGeCDw= Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 20:23:46 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 8b0901: Script updating gh-pages from d1d4fb1f. 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Reopened #3969.

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----==_mimepart_5f28e4166feb_5da916f847476c-- From nobody Mon Aug 3 21:29:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0E53A0B3B for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-wFMsyPaH3Z for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A40313A0781 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f1f7af9.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f1f7af9.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.111.13]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2377E0401 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:29:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596515351; bh=qzdavu6ex9PCB09/JOce6Gzt7ZW9RpUxsFlP792t1zc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Lb6xI+qqLfW6DvzIOZ7WwAhHc3ReALjmSFC0VwKT3LNhHmJiURKYnfiOYaKdZNY9x LPKqfdtkXRyqkKteV78xxj/oDic3JJhuHkW8bpzXZbovTyFWTJtT49ztxxNhe2pC9A BeyPOc5Odl1JJcSuB181NQ+0bl9g8zgriVNYuJLo= Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 21:29:11 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] loss_detection_timer.update in recovery (#3969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f28e417e1ed9_5d3c16f82606f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:29:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f28e417e1ed9_5d3c16f82606f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand why `timeout - now()` can be negative. Suppose PTO for Initial is set. `SetLossDetectionTimer` is called even in Handshake but `GetPtoTimeAndSpace` returns Initial in this case. So, `loss_detection_timer.update` called in `SetLossDetectionTimer` *adjusts* the previous timer. It depends on timing (probably in thread programming), the value can be negative. When I modify my code so that `SetLossDetectionTimer` takes packet space and add some logic, I don't see warning for minus anymore. I don't have a strong opinion to modify the current pseudocode but I'm pointing out this for record. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3969#issuecomment-668372594 ----==_mimepart_5f28e417e1ed9_5d3c16f82606f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I understand why timeout - now() can be negative. Suppose PTO for Initial is set. SetLossDetectionTimer is called even in Handshake but GetPtoTimeAndSpace returns Initial in this case. So, loss_detection_timer.update called in SetLossDetectionTimer adjusts the previous timer. It depends on timing (probably in thread programming), the value can be negative.

When I modify my code so that SetLossDetectionTimer takes packet space and add some logic, I don't see warning for minus anymore. I don't have a strong opinion to modify the current pseudocode but I'm pointing out this for record.

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Sorry, I should correct that last bit: We only have to worry about the max_ack_delay cap when the packet that is being acknowledged might have been buffered. Thus, it makes sense to remove the cap for packets that might have been buffered (i.e., those that are sent prior to handshake confirmation).

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My previous review forgot that there were two cases:

  1. a packet is received and buffered and then (much) later processed and (even) later acknowledged

  2. a packet containing an ACK is received and then (much) later processed

The first can be handled by reporting a large ACK Delay value. For packets sent before handshake confirmation, keeping max_ack_delay unbounded is the only sensible way to deal with this.

The second is what this attempts to address. But I don't think that it needs to.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I was attempting to deal with the first issue where a receiver can't process an acknowledge a buffered packet until they keys are available.

Ideally there would be at most one of these inflated RTT samples, though I don't think we make any suggestions on how buffered packets should be processed when the keys are available.

The second issue hadn't occurred to me, because I don't think we've observed it yet in production. That would only happen if the server received an ACK in 1RTT before completing the handshake. As you said, an implementation could subtract the time the packet was buffered from the RTT.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -348,14 +348,22 @@ latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
 peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
 incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
 
+The first ACK frame in the Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces
+can be greatly delayed due to a lack of decryption keys at the time they're
+received. For these two ACK frames, the max_ack_delay MAY be ignored if the

Sure, though hopefully you're processing all buffered packets before sending an ACK.

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I'm still not sure I love this PR, but hopefully the text is now clearer.

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I had never considered the case when the sender has buffered a packet that contains an ACK frame until you pointed it out. The PR was intended to deal with the case when a peer receives packets it can't immediately decrypt and acknowledge. But I added a sentence about subtracting the amount of time buffered when processing a buffered packet containing an ACK. It can only happen for a server that hasn't reached handshake confirmed, so it's fairly rare. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3980#issuecomment-668662719 ----==_mimepart_5f297de281af2_626c16f8102411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Also from the PR. I had never considered the case when the sender has buffered a packet that contains an ACK frame until you pointed it out. The PR was intended to deal with the case when a peer receives packets it can't immediately decrypt and acknowledge.

But I added a sentence about subtracting the amount of time buffered when processing a buffered packet containing an ACK. It can only happen for a server that hasn't reached handshake confirmed, so it's fairly rare.

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----==_mimepart_5f29c3f8e1b66_5f1916f82045b8-- From nobody Tue Aug 4 13:45:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E3F3A0AEB for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:45:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.899 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wRrXTZ-hhANM for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CDF13A0ACC for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AC0520DA1 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 13:45:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596573919; bh=4l7q4Z9vNCc3kOHKy/nAkCCgrKyXN5Vv13YJpGQURw4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BZAQYFthS3xXkdk35p39oHE+y2n9/WHJBcP4XYcFgR/kGH7BG3PMOy4WzZ/XGNv07 gcp99OBa1wN2FyFm980VgOdk3xutOvrMdxR5X41K9u5ZJITjOx+Klid+qDYvi/PKdV DJv0o/RH7C54ix4oQ+CI6avvL/fckhVcrFhQTkSM= Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:45:19 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Processing buffered packets can cause hugely inflated RTT measurements (#3980) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f29c8df99216_5fc316f84167bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 20:45:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f29c8df99216_5fc316f84167bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems to me that this issue is an alternative resolution to one specific part of what is being proposed as the resolution to #3821. Specifically, quoting from https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3821#issuecomment-665393532, the approach proposed here is an alternative to the line being emphasized below. > S1. To solve the first problem, we already have a condition in the recovery draft to _not_ arm the PTO on 1-RTT data until the handshake is complete (Section 6.2.1). This is not quite adequate, since it still allows a client to arm a PTO timer on 1-RTT data on sending a CFIN and 1-RTT data, before ensuring that the server has received the CFIN. The proposed solution here is to change this condition from "handshake complete" to "handshake confirmed". Meaning that an endpoint only arms a PTO timer on 0-RTT or 1-RTT data when it knows that the peer has the keys necessary to read and write in 1-RTT, and can therefore respond with an ACK. > > We think this holds up, but we'd like to get this under everyone's eyes, to ensure that the discussion isn't missing subtle deadlock issues. > > S2. To solve the second problem, the proposal is to use ack_delay as reported by the endpoint that buffers the data appropriately. ack_delay is the amount of the time the information (regardless of that being the packet itself or the acknowledgement) being buffered intentionally. For this, we need the following: > > - endpoints MUST report an ack_delay that is the sum of the controlled delay (i.e. the duration of the data and the ack being buffered) > > - __endpoints ignore max_ack_delay for acknowledgements of packets that were sent prior to handshake confirmation. Those are the ones that might have been buffered at the peer until keys were ready.__ > > In addition, we explicitly recommend endpoints that asynchronously process handshake messages to buffer 1-RTT packets, instead of dropping them, as dropping packets has significant impact on congestion control. Note that this matches what those implementations already do. The proposed resolution in #3821 recommends the sender to retain one bit of constant for each packet it sends, and use it to see if ack_delay should be capped. The resolution proposed here is to retain a mutable bit for each packet number space, and flip that bit when the seder receives the first ack. Until that bit is flipped, the sender does not cap ack_delay. As correctly pointed out in the [original comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3980#issue-672131960), this approach relies on the receiver processing all the buffered packets at once then sending an ACK. I think that both approaches work, and do not have a strong preference among the two. I'd also note both approaches would work correctly once we adopt the basis of the latter approach; i.e. recommend the receiver to process all buffered packets before sending an ACK (the basis of the latter resolution. Therefore, it seems to me that the only question is if we want to have that recommendation. 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It seems to me that this issue is an alternative resolution to one spe= cific part of what is being proposed as the resolution to #3821. Specifical= ly, quoting from #3821 (comment), the approach proposed here is an a= lternative to the line being emphasized below.

S1. To solve the first problem, we already have a condition in the rec= overy draft to not arm the PTO on
1-RTT data until the handshake is complete (Section 6.2.1). This is not q= uite adequate, since it still allows
a client to arm a PTO timer on 1-RTT data on sending a CFIN and 1-RTT dat= a, before ensuring that the server
has received the CFIN. The proposed solution here is to change this condi= tion from "handshake complete" to
"handshake confirmed". Meaning that an endpoint only arms a PTO timer on = 0-RTT or 1-RTT data when it knows
that the peer has the keys necessary to read and write in 1-RTT, and can = therefore respond with an ACK.

We think this holds up, but we'd like to get this under everyone's eye= s, to ensure that the discussion isn't
missing subtle deadlock issues.

S2. To solve the second problem, the proposal is to use ack_delay as r= eported by the endpoint that buffers
the data appropriately. ack_delay is the amount of the time the informati= on (regardless of that being the
packet itself or the acknowledgement) being buffered intentionally. For t= his, we need the following:

  • endpoints MUST report an ack_delay that is the sum of the controlled d= elay (i.e. the duration of the data
    and the ack being buffered)

  • endpoints ignore max_ack_delay for acknowledgements of packets= that were sent prior to handshake
    confirmation. Those are the ones that might have been buffered at the pee= r until keys were ready.

In addition, we explicitly recommend endpoints that asynchronously pro= cess handshake messages to buffer
1-RTT packets, instead of dropping them, as dropping packets has signific= ant impact on congestion control.
Note that this matches what those implementations already do.

The proposed resolution in #3821 recommends the sender to retain one bi= t of constant for each packet it sends, and use it to see if ack_delay sh= ould be capped.

The resolution proposed here is to retain a mutable bit for each packe= t number space, and flip that bit when the seder receives the first ack. = Until that bit is flipped, the sender does not cap ack_delay. As correctl= y pointed out in the original comment, thi= s approach relies on the receiver processing all the buffered packets at = once then sending an ACK.

I think that both approaches work, and do not have a strong preference= among the two.

I'd also note both approaches would work correctly once we adopt the b= asis of the latter approach; i.e. recommend the receiver to process all b= uffered packets before sending an ACK (the basis of the latter resolution= .

Therefore, it seems to me that the only question is if we want to have= that recommendation. If the answer is yes, then both approaches would wo= rk, and the choice between the approaches becomes an editorial preference= (i.e. write down either or both).

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I actually updated the PR to align more closely with the original proposal after @mt pointed out that they weren't identical if all buffered packets weren't processed at once(which is something I'd implicitly assumed). I could go either way on that, but I do think it's easier to only special case the first ACK for a PN space rather than store a bit per packet. It also mitigates the issue for those that don't follow this new MAY.

However, one difference from the above is this doesn't rely on handshake confirmation, since this is just as much a problem for Handshake packets as it is 1-RTT packets, so I think we need to use a more general statement about the sender not knowing if the receiver has the keys to process the packets.

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I want to add some text about processing all buffered packets at once when new keys are available, but I'd like to merge PR #3979 first.

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I've incorporated changes discussed in #3821 (and those agreed on the mailing list). I haven't added pseudocode yet, will do that next. I also haven't squared these changes with #3980; will do that as well.

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Thanks for adding more to the PR, some initial comments. > @@ -338,27 +338,41 @@ mean variation. The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -For packets sent in the ApplicationData packet number space, a peer limits -any delay in sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no -greater than the value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. -Consequently, when a peer reports an Ack Delay that is greater than its -max_ack_delay, the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, -such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any -delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively -part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +When 0-RTT or 1-RTT ack-eliciting packets are received, a peer does not delay +acknowledging them any longer than the period it advertised in the max_ack_delay +transport parameter; see Section 18.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +However, an endpoint SHOULD use ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is ```suggestion However, an endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is ``` > -part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +When 0-RTT or 1-RTT ack-eliciting packets are received, a peer does not delay +acknowledging them any longer than the period it advertised in the max_ack_delay +transport parameter; see Section 18.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +However, an endpoint SHOULD use ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is +confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). 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@ianswett (swapping paragraphs being quoted)

However, one difference from the above is this doesn't rely on handshake confirmation, since this is just as much a problem for Handshake packets as it is 1-RTT packets, so I think we need to use a more general statement about the sender not knowing if the receiver has the keys to process the packets.

I am happy to see the issue addressed for all epochs if that's the preference of others.

It also mitigates the issue for those that don't follow this new MAY.

FWIW I tend to think that we should use SHOULD, especially if we are going to also cover the delay of Handshake ACKs.

Max-ack-delay of Handshake packets are assumed to be zero. Therefore, we would see the problem on any environment where the time required for processing a TLS handshake message is relatively greater than the path delay. Including datacenter networks where RTT is small, or slow IoT devices.

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More coming > @@ -338,27 +338,41 @@ mean variation. The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -For packets sent in the ApplicationData packet number space, a peer limits -any delay in sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no -greater than the value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. -Consequently, when a peer reports an Ack Delay that is greater than its -max_ack_delay, the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, -such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any -delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively -part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +When 0-RTT or 1-RTT ack-eliciting packets are received, a peer does not delay ```suggestion When 0-RTT or 1-RTT ack-eliciting packets are received, a peer MUST NOT delay ``` > Initial and Handshake packet number space. -- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in Ack Delay field of the ACK frame - and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter. +- MUST ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed, ```suggestion - SHOULD ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed, ``` > When adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an endpoint: -- MUST ignore the Ack Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the +- MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the ```suggestion - MAY ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the ``` > @@ -338,27 +338,41 @@ mean variation. 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These are not very crisply defined currently.

The congestion controller starts in slow start. Slow start is where the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold. Congestion avoidance is where the congestion window is at least the slow start threshold.

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Merging.

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For clarity sake, the proposed resolution is #3945.

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Merged #3963 into master.

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----==_mimepart_5f29e7fd17206_444b16f81685dd-- From nobody Tue Aug 4 15:58:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B873A11DF for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 15:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id edlMMnubiXpE for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 15:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 309C93A11C2 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 15:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756C55C0E83 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 15:58:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596581887; bh=fBFHiGq0ddOkL4NkZ5QZbwbAKb14Y83NgNUGC1rOdFM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=vKqGnpxCnS82xeJhQG/uyVaCyK8oBU8OPhj4VT3zg5cSPB04qNx4X3qI3Pp6gOvCI CQIUrFjHQDXoFi9ArhG6w2mv2VsCbKygJv1aXH1lqiE9tpzv8oTmpMDFq71Th0dI0u V5EkjXbBqtcPWmt5VA5ZmQ8CWtTDHiZgkvCMp+n0= Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 15:58:07 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f873eb: Error for frames in the wrong packet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 22:58:09 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Error for frames in the wrong packet Closes #3851. 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By preference, this talks about integrity protection and confidentiality protection as it relates to those packets that are protected using keys derived from TLS. For Initial packets this means avoid use of "packet protection" as much as possible (I'm sure that I have missed some of these). The same for Retry. This required some additional framing, but it wasn't too intrusive. Most of the changes are cosmetic. Closes #3887. Commit: 25264d07790fcb63f08d3400a9bb61aa6a4785c2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/25264d07790fcb63f08d3400a9bb61aa6a4785c2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-14 (Tue, 14 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- First initial Commit: 83e840eb0fdef5f972306477b8b9cc62fe355bb4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/83e840eb0fdef5f972306477b8b9cc62fe355bb4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-15 (Wed, 15 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- first Initial Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop Commit: 5782bf9aead14fee58252a587376e56bf62abf91 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5782bf9aead14fee58252a587376e56bf62abf91 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-16 (Thu, 16 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into less-protection Commit: c78921e5d3ff5d5ea37a398eccd8afd74872e71b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c78921e5d3ff5d5ea37a398eccd8afd74872e71b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-16 (Thu, 16 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Use text from master for this paragraph Commit: 1db24ca405c391ad6044260aeb196626b1c716d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1db24ca405c391ad6044260aeb196626b1c716d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-16 (Thu, 16 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Trailing whitespace, gah Commit: 05cb8f2eb7027a63f4697fccec69a18f194a405b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/05cb8f2eb7027a63f4697fccec69a18f194a405b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-20 (Mon, 20 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Lots of review comments These will need to be wrapped Co-authored-by: ianswett Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Co-authored-by: Kazuho Oku Commit: bca2743083bca2e8a7b85abb392b85675798c8fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bca2743083bca2e8a7b85abb392b85675798c8fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-20 (Mon, 20 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- wrap Commit: 92d1701ac1e5b1554dc1df4abf0c7af3a5b0d403 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/92d1701ac1e5b1554dc1df4abf0c7af3a5b0d403 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-21 (Tue, 21 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moor sugestions Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: 00d90fccb3fb8dfb3e831198629a63b0399052ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00d90fccb3fb8dfb3e831198629a63b0399052ad Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-21 (Tue, 21 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some more rearrangement Commit: 645d6f8be9824db6909f2a02131c21a690a30809 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/645d6f8be9824db6909f2a02131c21a690a30809 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-21 (Tue, 21 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Cleaner Commit: 7f190d7ec7885c46bc0a4e40a3535870af006b6d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7f190d7ec7885c46bc0a4e40a3535870af006b6d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-21 (Tue, 21 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split sentence; 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Resolution was not to do this.

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Commit: 1d16c413070758325fe6e40d33ab02da0548fc4e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d16c413070758325fe6e40d33ab02da0548fc4e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-05 (Wed, 05 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Sending PING will reset both idle timeouts Closes #3844. 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Sending PING will reset both idle timeouts for both endpoints. Closes #3798. Closes #3844. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3983 -- Commit Summary -- * Idle timeout doesn't drain * Sending PING will reset both idle timeouts -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3983.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3983.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3983 ----==_mimepart_5f29ef3938dfb_208e16f8360b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Idle timeout doesn't enter the draining period.

Sending PING will reset both idle timeouts for both endpoints.

Closes #3798.
Closes #3844.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3983

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  • Idle timeout doesn't drain
  • Sending PING will reset both idle timeouts

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It's more words, but it is far less ambiguous. Closes #3802. From nobody Tue Aug 4 17:02:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEED03A11FF for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S4kZoIVsVkfr for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD4793A11FE for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F99840039 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 17:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596585768; bh=LsaqQvfgf9XWtHzjxDMrVfoklV4XhfraDC17J0l4gx0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w0qnPdIWrFvO7/qTh3zH+CnXSyIa4+x8+GGo6YqmvrBi+lPksiOrBgGcU5P39zjJB OOJqXofw6csLE6Si4a336M7A0ZBDDR8iGF7BkKo4nvDjw1srBG5K/caU2LCydtSdV+ jzxlsOeFMsM4oJ/On7UBR/AJXrQ9u/kfoJP+Kt3c= Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 17:02:48 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit is path-bound (#3984) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f29f728c7b83_705e16f81037e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 00:02:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f29f728c7b83_705e16f81037e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This binds the spin-bit state to a network path, which aligns with intent better than the existing language. It's more words, but it is far less ambiguous. Closes #3802. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3984 -- Commit Summary -- * Spin bit is path-bound -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (29) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3984.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3984.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3984 ----==_mimepart_5f29f728c7b83_705e16f81037e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This binds the spin-bit state to a network path, which aligns with
intent better than the existing language. It's more words, but it is
far less ambiguous.

Closes #3802.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3984

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How about we refer to frames collectively always instead and say "X frames are formatted as shown in {{x}}."

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Yes, this is much better. Shame that it's so big, but that's unavoidable, I think.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame
-  and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter.
+- MAY ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed,

Do we want to say SHOULD here instead, given that buffering happens?

It means updating pseudocode, but the change is small.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1232,10 +1255,7 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space):
       IncludesAckEliciting(newly_acked_packets)):
     latest_rtt =
       now() - newly_acked_packets.largest().time_sent
-    ack_delay = 0
-    if (pn_space == ApplicationData):
-      ack_delay = ack.ack_delay
-    UpdateRtt(ack_delay)
+    UpdateRtt(ack.ack_delay)

We should change line ~1285 down there vv to:

  if handshake confirmed:
    ack_delay = min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame
-  and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter.
+- MAY ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed,

I think SHOULD is good.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame
-  and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter.
+- MAY ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed,

@ianswett may have an opinion here. I'll wait for it.

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Yes, this needs updates based on the resolution of #3821, but it is generally good.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +The server can receive 1-RTT packets containing ACK frames before the decryption
+keys are available. If the packet is buffered and later processed, the server
+MAY reduce the measured RTT by the amount of time the packet was buffered.

It's the client that has this issue most often, which happens with 0-RTT. But I would switch this to just use 'endpoint'.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

This is a weird MUST to add. It just does this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame
-  and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter.
+- MAY ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed,

+1 to changing it to SHOULD. As others have pointed out, there are cases that the delay is inevitable (e.g., due to a client doing OCSP cert validation).

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The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples -for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. Does this belong in the transport draft too? And maybe we can include Handshake packets by conditioning this: "acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial and Handshake packets immediately after processing them" > +available. When this is not the case, the peer MUST immediately acknowledge all +ack-eliciting Handshake packets, and MUST NOT delay acknowledgement of +ack-eliciting 0-RTT, or 1-RTT packets for any longer than the period that it +advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter (Section 18.2 of +{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). With the above change I suggest, you can move this out and talk about acknowledgment within 0 (Initial/Handshake) or max_ack_delay (0-RTT/1-RTT) of processing the packet. 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Let's be consistent with the other recommendations (i.e., SHOULD ignor= e max_ack_delay).

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Assuming that is, that Ian agrees with Kazuho and I about this needing= RECOMMENDED-strength text.

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These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. + +Prior to handshake confirmation, a peer might not have the packet protection I think decryption keys is better in this context, since protection keys implies the keys to send a packet, and the server has keys to send 0.5 RTT packets, but not process them. > -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. + +Prior to handshake confirmation, a peer might not have the packet protection +keys for Handshake, 0-RTT, or 1-RTT packets when they are received. It might +therefore buffer them and acknowledge them when the requisite keys become +available. When this is not the case, the peer MUST immediately acknowledge all The section on ACK behavior is in transport, let's not duplicate select parts of it here. > -packet in the correct packet number space. When the PTO expires and there are -no ack-eliciting packets in flight, the PTO is set from that moment. - -When ack-eliciting packets in multiple packet number spaces are in flight, -the timer MUST be set for the packet number space with the earliest timeout, -with one exception. The Application Data packet number space (Section 4.1.1 -of {{QUIC-TLS}}) MUST be ignored until the handshake completes. Not arming -the PTO for Application Data prevents a client from retransmitting a 0-RTT -packet on a PTO expiration before confirming that the server is able to -decrypt 0-RTT packets, and prevents a server from sending a 1-RTT packet on -a PTO expiration before it has the keys to process an acknowledgement. +When ack-eliciting packets in multiple packet number spaces are in flight, the +timer MUST be set to the earlier value of the Initial and Handshake packet +number spaces. + +An endpoint MUST NOT set its PTO timer for 0-RTT and 1-RTT packets until the ```suggestion An endpoint MUST NOT set its PTO timer for the ApplicationData packet number space until the ``` > -- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame - and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter. +- MAY ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed, I think that's ok, but is there a reason line 371 is a MAY instead of a SHOULD? I can't think of any. If it was a SHOULD, the the pseudocode should follow the SHOULDs. > @@ -1232,10 +1255,7 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space): IncludesAckEliciting(newly_acked_packets)): latest_rtt = now() - newly_acked_packets.largest().time_sent - ack_delay = 0 - if (pn_space == ApplicationData): - ack_delay = ack.ack_delay - UpdateRtt(ack_delay) + UpdateRtt(ack.ack_delay) GetPtoTimeAndSpace needs to be updated to use handshake confirmed as well > @@ -337,29 +337,47 @@ samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a mean variation. The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples -for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. This is already in the transport draft, so I'd be inclined to remove it, and if you want to add an informational comment about how Initial and Handshake packets are acknowledged immediately, feel free. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#pullrequestreview-461282623 ----==_mimepart_5f2a10ae6359c_606b16f87302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I think decryption keys is better in this context, since protection ke= ys implies the keys to send a packet, and the server has keys to send 0.5= RTT packets, but not process them.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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The section on ACK behavior is in transport, let's not duplicate selec= t parts of it here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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I think that's ok, but is there a reason line 371 is a MAY instead of = a SHOULD? I can't think of any. If it was a SHOULD, the the pseudocode = should follow the SHOULDs.

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I added a paragraph on local delays playing into the RTT estimate, which seems helpful. I'm happy to remove it if folks have a strong opinion that it should be.

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Let's not duplicate existing requirements on ACK behavior in recovery, given we decided to move it to transport and that text is still getting cleaned up.

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The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples -for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. Sounds reasonable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#discussion_r465425760 ----==_mimepart_5f2a114ea96e3_591416f81981d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame
-  and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter.
+- MAY ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed,

MAY is in recognition of the fact that an attacker can already tilt the calculation for RTT using Initial ACK, so we allow people to ignore that information, but we don't need to recommend it.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1232,10 +1255,7 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space):
       IncludesAckEliciting(newly_acked_packets)):
     latest_rtt =
       now() - newly_acked_packets.largest().time_sent
-    ack_delay = 0
-    if (pn_space == ApplicationData):
-      ack_delay = ack.ack_delay
-    UpdateRtt(ack_delay)
+    UpdateRtt(ack.ack_delay)

Good catch.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -337,29 +337,47 @@ samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
 mean variation.
 
 The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples
-for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field
-of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets
-sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in
-sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the
-value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when
-a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay,
-the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler
-latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
-peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
-incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay
+field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets.

Sounds reasonable.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

One point of confusion.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2712,8 +2712,11 @@ An implementation of QUIC might provide applications with an option to defer an
 idle timeout.  This facility could be used when the application wishes to avoid
 losing state that has been associated with an open connection, but does not
 expect to exchange application data for some time.  With this option, an
-endpoint could send a PING frame periodically to defer an idle timeout; see
-{{frame-ping}}.
+endpoint could send a PING frame ({{frame-ping}}) periodically, which will cause
+the peer to restart its idle timeout period.  Sending a packet containing a PING
+frame also restarts the idle timeout for the endpoint if this is the first
+ack-eliciting packet sent since receiving a packet or when an acknowledgment is

I'm confused about this last part. How you receive an acknowledgement without receiving a packet?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

Agreed, we can just drop this part of the change.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ack-eliciting packet has been received to include an ACK frame with outgoing
 frames.

Thanks, I think I'd rather not change it in this PR, but wanted to point out the awkwardness to reviewers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2712,8 +2712,11 @@ An implementation of QUIC might provide applications with an option to defer an
 idle timeout.  This facility could be used when the application wishes to avoid
 losing state that has been associated with an open connection, but does not
 expect to exchange application data for some time.  With this option, an
-endpoint could send a PING frame periodically to defer an idle timeout; see
-{{frame-ping}}.
+endpoint could send a PING frame ({{frame-ping}}) periodically, which will cause
+the peer to restart its idle timeout period.  Sending a packet containing a PING
+frame also restarts the idle timeout for the endpoint if this is the first
+ack-eliciting packet sent since receiving a packet or when an acknowledgment is

So it says that the idle time is restarted when an acknowledgment is received. Of course you need a packet for that, which is why the idle timeout restarts.

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@janaiyengar I would like to merge this. WDYT?

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What it was meant to point out was that it is easier to move traffic onto a path that you are on. What it fails to acknowledge is that it is also easier to move traffic *off* a path that you are on. In other words, the treatment of this in 21.12 is more thorough and we don't need to talk about limitations. Mike suggested that there is some duplication between this attack and the more comprehensive analysis in 21.12. That is true, but these serve different purposes. This is to describe attacks and the normative requirements on endpoints necessary to avoid them. The other section is a thorough and hollistic analysis. I couldn't see any truly straightforward changes. That doesn't mean that we won't find a way to clean this up, or that it would be undesirable to have fewer words, but I've not the time for that right now. Closes #3841. 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What it was meant to point out was that it is easier to move traffic onto a path that you are on. What it fails to acknowledge is that it is also easier to move traffic *off* a path that you are on. In other words, the treatment of this in 21.12 is more thorough and we don't need to talk about limitations. Mike suggested that there is some duplication between this attack and the more comprehensive analysis in 21.12. That is true, but these serve different purposes. This is to describe attacks and the normative requirements on endpoints necessary to avoid them. The other section is a thorough and hollistic analysis. I couldn't see any truly straightforward changes. That doesn't mean that we won't find a way to clean this up, or that it would be undesirable to have fewer words, but I've not the time for that right now. Closes #3841. 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This text could be read to imply that an off-path attacker is more
capable than an on-path attacker, which is rarely true. What it was
meant to point out was that it is easier to move traffic onto a path
that you are on. What it fails to acknowledge is that it is also easier
to move traffic off a path that you are on.

In other words, the treatment of this in 21.12 is more thorough and we
don't need to talk about limitations.

Mike suggested that there is some duplication between this attack and
the more comprehensive analysis in 21.12. That is true, but these serve
different purposes. This is to describe attacks and the normative
requirements on endpoints necessary to avoid them. The other section is
a thorough and hollistic analysis. I couldn't see any truly
straightforward changes. That doesn't mean that we won't find a way to
clean this up, or that it would be undesirable to have fewer words, but
I've not the time for that right now.

Closes #3841.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3985

Commit Summary

  • Strike confusing paragraph

File Changes

Patch Links:

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This isn't exactly clear, but nor do I think we need to include the fully worked logic that leads to it. This attempts to split the difference. Closes #3848. 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This isn't exactly clear, but nor do I think we need to include the fully worked logic that leads to it. This attempts to split the difference. Closes #3848. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3986 -- Commit Summary -- * More words on the minimum packet size requirement -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3986.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3986.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3986 ----==_mimepart_5f2a40596b842_165316f8945c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For stateless resets, we recommend a minimum packet size on ALL packets,
based on the maximum length of connection IDs that might be generated by
the same endpoint. This isn't exactly clear, but nor do I think we need
to include the fully worked logic that leads to it.

This attempts to split the difference.

Closes #3848.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3986

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  • More words on the minimum packet size requirement

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Given the large potential impact, the reader is otherwise left trying to guess why that's appropriate. This is reasonable. I don't know which document needs the text though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3987 ----==_mimepart_5f2a40bb525a5_3a4d16f8832db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@Ralith says in #3951:

Some clarifying language expressing that the ack delay is included in path validation/closing/draining timers/etc only for simplicity would be nice. Given the large potential impact, the reader is otherwise left trying to guess why that's appropriate.

This is reasonable. I don't know which document needs the text though.

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Let's close this one, because this title is really throwing me off. I opened #3987 for the specific suggestion.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2893,9 +2893,12 @@ difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of
 a connection ID.  To prevent a resulting stateless reset from being trivially
 distinguishable from a valid packet, all packets sent by an endpoint SHOULD be
 padded to at least 22 bytes longer than the minimum connection ID that the
-endpoint might use.  An endpoint that sends a stateless reset in response to a
-packet that is 43 bytes or less in length SHOULD send a stateless reset that is
-one byte shorter than the packet it responds to.
+endpoint might request that a peer include in the Destination Connection ID
+field.  This ensures that any stateless reset sent by the peer is
+indistinguishable from a valid packet sent to the endpoint.  An endpoint that

This is a bit repetitive to the text 4 paragraphs up, but I'm ok with that if it helps.

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----==_mimepart_5f2b26cc73551_261f16f847401-- From nobody Wed Aug 5 14:38:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BEF3A0FAE for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 14:38:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3p2is-QC9RV for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73DD93A0FAF for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C765340094 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 14:38:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596663507; bh=VZ7MPlOzFpkJWSJlpuVTfOlGc1F07es0QtBUBvMRONE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WeiGUq87nd0bPvTsCtKFhd7UR7sCEp2tOCpmfFF9b4g9Q3woxKYQNt16jONlbnvpY whOYU3sfjS7Im+7c+iINSFYylaWr3dNbihl7BSuEPYZTlCo+Q4y3w5QWs8Hc9V6fod f0gkRduqkPqijRoZ+x13X0kUtw/bt9tkJtammnUA= Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 14:38:27 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow endpoints to generate traffic keys asynchronously (#3874) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2b26d37c2b3_39b116f8440842"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 21:38:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2b26d37c2b3_39b116f8440842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1232,10 +1255,7 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space): IncludesAckEliciting(newly_acked_packets)): latest_rtt = now() - newly_acked_packets.largest().time_sent - ack_delay = 0 - if (pn_space == ApplicationData): - ack_delay = ack.ack_delay - UpdateRtt(ack_delay) + UpdateRtt(ack.ack_delay) Done. > @@ -337,29 +337,47 @@ samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a mean variation. The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples -for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. The text in the transport draft is weak. I'm moving this there and making it stronger. > +available. When this is not the case, the peer MUST immediately acknowledge all +ack-eliciting Handshake packets, and MUST NOT delay acknowledgement of +ack-eliciting 0-RTT, or 1-RTT packets for any longer than the period that it +advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter (Section 18.2 of +{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). I've restructured the text a bit differently, see what you think. > -for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets. + +Prior to handshake confirmation, a peer might not have the packet protection We use the term "packet protection keys" for both encryption and decryption keys, but I've made the "decrypting" more explicit now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#discussion_r466018540 ----==_mimepart_5f2b26d37c2b3_39b116f8440842 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1232,10 +1255,7 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space):
       IncludesAckEliciting(newly_acked_packets)):
     latest_rtt =
       now() - newly_acked_packets.largest().time_sent
-    ack_delay = 0
-    if (pn_space == ApplicationData):
-      ack_delay = ack.ack_delay
-    UpdateRtt(ack_delay)
+    UpdateRtt(ack.ack_delay)

Done.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -337,29 +337,47 @@ samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
 mean variation.
 
 The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses path latency after adjusting RTT samples
-for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field
-of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets
-sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in
-sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the
-value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when
-a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay,
-the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler
-latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
-peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
-incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay
+field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets.

The text in the transport draft is weak. I'm moving this there and making it stronger.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +available. When this is not the case, the peer MUST immediately acknowledge all
+ack-eliciting Handshake packets, and MUST NOT delay acknowledgement of
+ack-eliciting 0-RTT, or 1-RTT packets for any longer than the period that it
+advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter (Section 18.2 of
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}).

I've restructured the text a bit differently, see what you think.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field
-of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets
-sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in
-sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the
-value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when
-a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay,
-the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler
-latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
-peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
-incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay
+field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+A peer MUST immediately acknowledge all ack-eliciting Initial packets.
+
+Prior to handshake confirmation, a peer might not have the packet protection

We use the term "packet protection keys" for both encryption and decryption keys, but I've made the "decrypting" more explicit now.

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Thank you for working on this. Looks great to me. I just have one editorial preference, but that's definitely not a blocker.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -389,6 +398,13 @@ rttvar_sample = abs(smoothed_rtt - adjusted_rtt)
 rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * rttvar_sample
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+An endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when the
+corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a
+client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it cannot
+decrypt because 1-RTT packet protection keys are not yet available to it. In
+such cases, an endpoint SHOULD ignore such local delays in its round-trip time
+sample until the handshake is confirmed.

I would prefer this section moved above line 358 (i.e. "When adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an endpoint:"), and this SHOULD repeated in one of the bullet points, as we do for the ack-delay due to buffering on the receiver side.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if you chose to do that as a separate editorial path after merging this PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -389,6 +398,13 @@ rttvar_sample = abs(smoothed_rtt - adjusted_rtt)
 rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * rttvar_sample
 ~~~
 
+An endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when the
+corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a
+client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it cannot
+decrypt because 1-RTT packet protection keys are not yet available to it. In
+such cases, an endpoint SHOULD ignore such local delays in its round-trip time
+sample until the handshake is confirmed.

I'm fine with moving this further up, before the smoothed_rtt computation, but I don't think we want to include this in that list. That list is about adjusting the RTT sample based on reported ack delay, and it ends with "don't do it if the result is < min_rtt". The local buffering delay is quite different, in that it doesn't need this min_rtt protection. I'm moving it up but leaving it below the adjustment list.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Heh, apparently I can still approve this since I'm squatting on @kazuho's PR. So I'm approving this :-)

(@kazuho wanted to approve it but couldn't, so I'll approve on his behalf.)

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This PR is pretty wide-reaching and not isolated to traffic key generation I think we should re-title it before landing to avoid confusion. > -- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame - and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter. +- SHOULD ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed, You have "MAY ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed" above. > -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the +endpoint MAY ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section +4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they +occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint +can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily +inflating the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the +peer that are greater than its max_ack_delay are attributed to unintentional but ```suggestion peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to unintentional but ``` > +previous acknowledgements. Any delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are +therefore considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the +smoothed_rtt estimate. ```suggestion previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt and rttvar. ``` > When adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an endpoint: -- MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the - Initial and Handshake packet number space. +- MAY ignore the acknowledgement delay for Initial packets, Given we say you should acknowledge these immediately, why is this a MAY? I'm not aware of any issues this solves vs a MUST or SHOULD. > @@ -379,8 +387,9 @@ default values. On subsequent RTT samples, smoothed_rtt and rttvar evolve as follows: ~~~ -ack_delay = acknowledgement delay from ACK frame -ack_delay = min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay) +ack_delay = decoded ACK Delay field from ACK frame I think the old text was clearer in this case. ```suggestion ack_delay = acknowledgement delay from ACK frame ``` > @@ -389,6 +398,13 @@ rttvar_sample = abs(smoothed_rtt - adjusted_rtt) rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * rttvar_sample ~~~ +An endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when the I agree this would be better above. Also, I think we should make this tighter, since it only applies ACKs of 0-RTT and 0.5-RTT packets. > +An endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when the +corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a +client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it cannot +decrypt because 1-RTT packet protection keys are not yet available to it. In +such cases, an endpoint SHOULD ignore such local delays in its round-trip time +sample until the handshake is confirmed. ```suggestion An endpoint might receive packets in ApplicationData containing acknowledgements which cannot be processed immediately due to a lack of 1-RTT decryption keys. For example, a client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it cannot decrypt because 1-RTT packet protection keys are not yet available to it. In such cases, an endpoint SHOULD subtract the time the packet was buffered and unable to be decrypted from the round-trip time sample. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#pullrequestreview-462127379 ----==_mimepart_5f2b608845879_178216f83163d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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-previous acknowledgements. Any delays beyond =
the peer's max_ack_delay are=0D
-therefore considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated int=
o the=0D
-smoothed_rtt estimate.=0D
+previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are considered=0D=

+effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt an=
d=0D
+rttvar.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
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 an=0D
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-- MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in t=
he=0D
-  Initial and Handshake packet number space.=0D
+- MAY ignore the acknowledgement delay for Initial packets,=0D
=0D

Given we say you should acknowledge these immediately, why is this a M= AY? I'm not aware of any issues this solves vs a MUST or SHOULD.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -379,8 +387,9 @@ default values.=0D
 On subsequent RTT samples, smoothed_rtt and rttvar evolve as follows:=0D=

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 ~~~=0D
-ack_delay =3D acknowledgement delay from ACK frame=0D
-ack_delay =3D min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)=0D
+ack_delay =3D decoded ACK Delay field from ACK frame=0D
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I think the old text was clearer in this case.

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-ack_delay =3D decoded ACK Delay field from AC=
K frame=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -389,6 +398,13 @@ rttvar_sample =3D abs=
(smoothed_rtt - adjusted_rtt)=0D
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 ~~~=0D
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+An endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when the=0D=
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I agree this would be better above. Also, I think we should make this= tighter, since it only applies ACKs of 0-RTT and 0.5-RTT packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> +An endpoint might postpone the processing=
 of acknowledgements when the=0D
+corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example=
, a=0D
+client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it canno=
t=0D
+decrypt because 1-RTT packet protection keys are not yet available to it=
. In=0D
+such cases, an endpoint SHOULD ignore such local delays in its round-tri=
p time=0D
+sample until the handshake is confirmed.=0D
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. In=0D
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+lack of 1-RTT decryption keys. For example, a client might receive an=0D=

+acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it cannot decrypt because=0D
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+an endpoint SHOULD subtract the time the packet was buffered and=0D
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Looks great!

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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sample=0D
+  is smaller than the min_rtt.  This limits the underestimation of the=0D=

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+Additionaly, an endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgemen=
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+the corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For exa=
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+client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it canno=
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"RTT" is the term we use, I think?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 When adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an
 endpoint:
 
-- MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the
-  Initial and Handshake packet number space.
+- MAY ignore the acknowledgement delay for Initial packets,

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 When adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an
 endpoint:
 
-- MUST ignore the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame for packets sent in the
-  Initial and Handshake packet number space.
+- MAY ignore the acknowledgement delay for Initial packets,

Sorry, read it backwards. Nevermind.

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Thanks, @ianswett, changes made.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-- MUST use the lesser of the value reported in ACK Delay field of the ACK frame
-  and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter.
+- SHOULD ignore the peer's max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed,

Gah! That MAY should've been fixed. Fixed now.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -379,8 +387,9 @@ default values.
 On subsequent RTT samples, smoothed_rtt and rttvar evolve as follows:
 
 ~~~
-ack_delay = acknowledgement delay from ACK frame
-ack_delay = min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)
+ack_delay = decoded ACK Delay field from ACK frame

it's setting a variable, so spelling out that it is a decoded field seems more explicit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

What are we dropping? My suggestion or the MUST increase entirely? Dropping my suggestion is fine, but I would keep the MUST increase -- that's just the definition of Reno.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 5 22:35:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3355A3A0EB7 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 22:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U3Qp9UUXMhPu for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 22:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB1173A0E08 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 22:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182D2560D98 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 22:35:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596692117; bh=4mafVuNRZf8f4uCD71w/IWdF2vLQRzsvm45U2grFl7Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kbe8hp1/eCgSndD5mEn14u74TFe9bnwbIyZX6vsYihW3rwrO+c1/zaVvbzF/5H80z Vn80uH46kATUODO6/SapDlXswwSe6gAoOhI6+SxAJlNRgrxOuAKB5qprlucvTCtDSO 1UgQwZD7RdomStZOl1DwoekZqTsGgEv5MlpSFUJY= Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 22:35:17 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework section on persistent congestion (#3961) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2b969586b7_29bf16f874726"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 05:35:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2b969586b7_29bf16f874726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent +congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a +sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them +restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer +from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being +received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent +congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs. + +### Establishing Persistent Congestion + +A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at +least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and: + +* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent; + +* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the We can't require all packets between largest and smallest be acked; see my comment: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3961#discussion_r463907388. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent
+congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a
+sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them
+restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer
+from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being
+received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent
+congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs.
+
+### Establishing Persistent Congestion
+
+A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
+least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+
+* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent;
+
+* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the

We can't require all packets between largest and smallest be acked; see my comment: #3961 (comment).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

The removal of the first sentence is fine. (Though we need a definition of congestion avoidance, this isn't it.)

The original text here is fine without a MUST: "Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window". You don't need normative language, because it is definitional. If you use "MUST" you do so by identifying an actor and an action. This is saying what "congestion avoidance" is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

What I meant to say is that this is the definition of it. Congestion avoidance is simply the state of the controller where cwnd > ssthresh, this does not imply that the controller needs to increase by 1 packet size per round trip time. Reno isn't defined anywhere formally as a term, but it is an AIMD controller that "increases the congestion window by 1 packet size per round-trip time" and "decreases it by 0.5 when loss is encountered." My point was that to make our controller Reno, these two behaviors have to be MUSTs. Everything else is window dressing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

Now that I look at RFC 5681 a bit more carefully, we probably want to use language similar to what's used there:

   During congestion avoidance, cwnd is incremented by roughly 1 full-
   sized segment per round-trip time (RTT).  Congestion avoidance
   continues until congestion is detected.  The basic guidelines for
   incrementing cwnd during congestion avoidance are:

      * MAY increment cwnd by SMSS bytes

      * SHOULD increment cwnd per equation (2) once per RTT

      * MUST NOT increment cwnd by more than SMSS bytes

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

The important bit there is the MUST NOT. I don't think the MAY is useful, but the second and third statements are probably adequate.

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There wasn't much redundancy, but there was a little. 2. The closing and draining states only apply to immediate close. So I moved things up. Shortened the top-level immediate close text, and moved text specific to closing or draining to the corresponding sections. There were a few bits that could be cut, and a few that needed to be better aligned with existing text, but nothing major. Most of this is unmodified text. There are a few bits that I had to rewrite. I will add comments for those. Closes #3907. From nobody Wed Aug 5 23:57:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0696B3A0F5B for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 23:57:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2yF3YCATQzb8 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 23:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B5F3A0F4E for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 23:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0533840DD9 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2020 23:57:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596697061; bh=mpaU1GSxOcVPnB+EgrNnagHP1nuQ/peX936GRZ2D/Zo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ognVIxUaDd+hPBODc20XzUPvUo8BFEJblYrTlUHaAJduZUs/ySLKb5kT6TyZqmryU vje55DfC/BkvxAvnZ3SiiCOsPjfOrSPNkYIdke7pH9quqd0xa9opwJ+ABbMqUWP+J7 2tM01ZMCoXr5kb2v9UNCqPEZZwVJV6+SFqJadHAg= Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 23:57:41 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Closing and draining tidy (#3988) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2ba9e5d09db_57e316f8474951"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 06:57:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2ba9e5d09db_57e316f8474951 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took a careful look at the text here and found a few things: 1. There wasn't much redundancy, but there was a little. 2. The closing and draining states only apply to immediate close. So I moved things up. Shortened the top-level immediate close text, and moved text specific to closing or draining to the corresponding sections. There were a few bits that could be cut, and a few that needed to be better aligned with existing text, but nothing major. Most of this is unmodified text. There are a few bits that I had to rewrite. I will add comments for those. Closes #3907. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3988 -- Commit Summary -- * Closing and draining tidy -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (171) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3988.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3988.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I took a careful look at the text here and found a few things:

  1. There wasn't much redundancy, but there was a little.

  2. The closing and draining states only apply to immediate close.

So I moved things up. Shortened the top-level immediate close text, and
moved text specific to closing or draining to the corresponding
sections.

There were a few bits that could be cut, and a few that needed to be
better aligned with existing text, but nothing major. Most of this is
unmodified text.

There are a few bits that I had to rewrite. I will add comments for
those.

Closes #3907.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3988

Commit Summary

  • Closing and draining tidy

File Changes

Patch Links:

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After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. This is a new consolidated introduction. It's all the functional requirements that are relevant to this section. > +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when starting the closing period +and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram This changes to use MAY instead of "is allowed to". Otherwise, this changes only to remove the self-reference (and s/entering/starting). > +While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a new +source address, indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. New +packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification +attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid being used for an amplication +attack, an endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received +from unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to +unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the +address. This required a little better alignment with the other text above. The sentence "To avoid being used for an amplification attack" is now the same in both places. > +The draining state is entered once an endpoint receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE +frame, which indicates that its peer is closing or draining. While otherwise +identical to the closing state, an endpoint in the draining state MUST NOT send +any packets. Retaining packet protection keys is unnecessary once a connection +is in the draining state. We used to think that you could enter draining as a result of a stateless reset or idle timeout. That is no longer the case, so this just mentions CONNECTION_CLOSE directly. > An endpoint that receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MAY send a single packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a constant exchange of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until the closing period on either peer ended. -An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to -close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a -graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that -are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which -the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application -closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code -will be used to signal closure. +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing period to the draining period if it +receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or stateless reset, either of which indicate +that the peer is also closing or draining. The draining period SHOULD end when +the closing period would have ended. In other words, the endpoint can use the +same end time, but cease retransmission of the closing packet. + + +### Terminal Connection State This stuff is awkward. I will move it up into the introductory part instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3988#pullrequestreview-462234958 ----==_mimepart_5f2bab5a86261_675516f84297ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately enters the
-closing state.
+closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame,
+endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}.

This is a new consolidated introduction. It's all the functional requirements that are relevant to this section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when starting the closing period
+and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram

This changes to use MAY instead of "is allowed to".

Otherwise, this changes only to remove the self-reference (and s/entering/starting).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +While in the closing period, an endpoint could receive packets from a new
+source address, indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. New
+packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification
+attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid being used for an amplication
+attack, an endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received
+from unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to
+unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the
+address.

This required a little better alignment with the other text above. The sentence "To avoid being used for an amplification attack" is now the same in both places.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The draining state is entered once an endpoint receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE
+frame, which indicates that its peer is closing or draining. While otherwise
+identical to the closing state, an endpoint in the draining state MUST NOT send
+any packets. Retaining packet protection keys is unnecessary once a connection
+is in the draining state.

We used to think that you could enter draining as a result of a stateless reset or idle timeout. That is no longer the case, so this just mentions CONNECTION_CLOSE directly.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  An endpoint that receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MAY send a single packet
 containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate.  An endpoint MUST NOT
 send further packets, which could result in a constant exchange of
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until the closing period on either peer ended.
 
-An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
-close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negotiates a
-graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
-are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
-the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the application
-closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code
-will be used to signal closure.
+An endpoint MAY transition from the closing period to the draining period if it
+receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or stateless reset, either of which indicate
+that the peer is also closing or draining.  The draining period SHOULD end when
+the closing period would have ended.  In other words, the endpoint can use the
+same end time, but cease retransmission of the closing packet.
+
+
+### Terminal Connection State

This stuff is awkward. I will move it up into the introductory part instead.

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----==_mimepart_5f2bb015c2ed7_266b16f854870-- From nobody Thu Aug 6 00:24:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26D23A0FC2 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 00:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JvUF5dA0pKJp for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 00:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5E283A0FC1 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 00:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8289840D9B for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 00:24:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596698694; bh=ICPV2GQZ+YHH6BTJo3rZ0Cy+Jw+FaLQyJOTFCP4nblg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uONQgYEnQx44hc2xXizBGId5R5ofXoqz2qMBHjXIJEZ6X9i8ONNxUIh17yf6MARgl DnH45OTlVUpSmTZSQtHknYkzWCl5y6XgxmM5CAd6c61TISnDF9YM0UseIpqWxiiSLl szahFsUinrhpKIamzilQwILn9TOjdMQ4JyvjBtTk= Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 00:24:54 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Closing and draining tidy (#3988) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2bb046b9502_143f16f876253"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 07:24:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2bb046b9502_143f16f876253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to generate a +packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging +to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attributes to +the connection. + +An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the closing +state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasing +number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY +discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required +to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet +protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. This is factored fairly heavily. > +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing state +and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram +that is received. However, an endpoint that discards packet protection keys +cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid being used for an +amplication attack, such endpoints MUST limit the cumulative size of packets +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the cumulative size of the +packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize the state that an +endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same +packet. This is only factored lightly: use MAY in place of "is allowed to" use state instead of period remove self-reference > +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless +reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving +packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that are able +to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow +for faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting +new connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all +connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being handled +generically. For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response +to any further incoming packets. This stuff is mostly just reordered. The main change is to talk about states rather than periods, for consistency reasons. > +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless +reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving +packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that are able +to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow +for faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting +new connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all +connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being handled +generically. For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response +to any further incoming packets. + + +### Closing Connection State {#closing} + +An endpoint enters a closing state after initiating an immediate close. Removed a self-reference here, that's all. > -An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to -close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a -graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that -are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which -the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application -closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code -will be used to signal closure. +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it +receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or stateless reset, either of which indicate This is wrong. I'll fix that. > +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it +receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also +closing or draining. In this case, the draining state SHOULD end when the +closing state would have ended. In other words, the endpoint uses the same end +time, but cease retransmission of the closing packet. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to generate a
+packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging
+to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet containing a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attributes to
+the connection.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the closing
+state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasing
+number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received
+packets.
+
+The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient
+information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY
+discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required
+to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet
+protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

This is factored fairly heavily.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing state
+and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram
+that is received. However, an endpoint that discards packet protection keys
+cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid being used for an
+amplication attack, such endpoints MUST limit the cumulative size of packets
+containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the cumulative size of the
+packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize the state that an
+endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same
+packet.

This is only factored lightly:

use MAY in place of "is allowed to"

use state instead of period

remove self-reference

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negotiates a
+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the application
+closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code
+will be used to signal closure.
+
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded.
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state
+could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless
+reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving
+packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that are able
+to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow
+for faster resource recovery.  Servers that retain an open socket for accepting
+new connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early.
+
+Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all
+connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being handled
+generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response
+to any further incoming packets.

This stuff is mostly just reordered. The main change is to talk about states rather than periods, for consistency reasons.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless
+reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving
+packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that are able
+to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow
+for faster resource recovery.  Servers that retain an open socket for accepting
+new connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early.
+
+Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all
+connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being handled
+generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response
+to any further incoming packets.
+
+
+### Closing Connection State {#closing}
+
+An endpoint enters a closing state after initiating an immediate close.

Removed a self-reference here, that's all.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
-close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negotiates a
-graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
-are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
-the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the application
-closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code
-will be used to signal closure.
+An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it
+receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or stateless reset, either of which indicate

This is wrong. I'll fix that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it
+receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also
+closing or draining. In this case, the draining state SHOULD end when the
+closing state would have ended. In other words, the endpoint uses the same end
+time, but cease retransmission of the closing packet.

This bit used to say that you entered draining after getting a stateless reset, which was just flat wrong.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

Yes, a MUST NOT would be useful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

I would prefer to refer to RFC5681 rather than respecifying these normative requirement here.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I think we should stop using intentional delays and instead use only introduced delays. Intentional seems potentially confusing.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3688,11 +3694,13 @@ to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for getting a better
 estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed.  A packet might be

I think we should start using 'introduced delays' instead of 'intentionally introduced delays' because now we have two cases where the delay isn't really intentional: alarms which wake up late and lack of availability of decryption keys.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -379,8 +387,9 @@ default values.
 On subsequent RTT samples, smoothed_rtt and rttvar evolve as follows:
 
 ~~~
-ack_delay = acknowledgement delay from ACK frame
-ack_delay = min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)
+ack_delay = decoded ACK Delay field from ACK frame

I think the most correct clear option is "decoded acknowledgement delay from the ACK Delay field in the ACK frame", but that's quite long.

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@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}.
+
+An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negotiates a
+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the application
+closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code
+will be used to signal closure.
+
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded.
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state

prior to the exiting the closing or draining state I can't parse this. Is a comma missing or are there added/missing word?

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A packet might be held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed. An endpoint MUST NOT include delays that it does not control when populating the -ACK Delay field in an ACK frame. +ACK Delay field in an ACK frame, but endpoints SHOULD include buffering delays +caused by unavailability of decryption keys. Do we need to explain why this is a SHOULD? We could say that if a packet containing CRYPTO data from the previous PN was lost, the buffering delay will be > 1 RTT. That should be a very good motivation to follow this SHOULD. > -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the +endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section +4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they +occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint +can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily +inflating the smoothed_rtt estimate. It's not only smoothed_rtt, but also rttvar. ```suggestion inflating the RTT estimate. ``` > +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the +endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section +4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they +occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint +can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily +inflating the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the +peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to +unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the +peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are +considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt +estimate. Not sure where to put this, but do we need to recommend something along these lines: If you set an ack timer for `x ms`, you should advertise a max_ack_delay for `x ms + timer_granularity` in your transport parameters? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#pullrequestreview-462562593 ----==_mimepart_5f2c1328ed773_1cec16f896838 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's
+max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the
+endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section
+4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they
+occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint
+can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily
+inflating the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+
+After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the
+peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to
+unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the
+peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are
+considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt
+estimate.

I thought we already had something like this, but I agree with the sentiment. MsQuic does exactly this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -379,8 +387,9 @@ default values.
 On subsequent RTT samples, smoothed_rtt and rttvar evolve as follows:
 
 ~~~
-ack_delay = acknowledgement delay from ACK frame
-ack_delay = min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay)
+ack_delay = decoded ACK Delay field from ACK frame

Maybe something like ack_frame.ack_delay?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's
+max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the
+endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section
+4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they
+occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint
+can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily
+inflating the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+
+After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the
+peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to
+unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the
+peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are
+considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt
+estimate.

Safeguards are always up to the implementation... this includes any for the idle timeout as well. At any rate, the sender is protected by the rttvar.

I'd be open to an editorial PR that suggests this in the right place.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +endpoint might request that a peer include in the Destination Connection ID
+field.  This ensures that any stateless reset sent by the peer is
+indistinguishable from a valid packet sent to the endpoint.  An endpoint that
+sends a stateless reset in response to a packet that is 43 bytes or less in
+length SHOULD send a stateless reset that is one byte shorter than the packet it
+responds to.

This is difficult to parse. Suggested rephrase of the paragraph.

The resulting minimum size of 21 bytes does not guarantee that a stateless reset is
difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of
a connection ID. To achieve that end, the endpoint SHOULD pad all packets it sends 
to at least 22 bytes longer than the minimum connection ID that the
endpoint might request a peer to include in packets that the peer sends. 
This ensures that any stateless reset sent by the peer is
indistinguishable from a valid packet sent to the endpoint.  An endpoint that
sends a stateless reset in response to a packet that is 43 bytes or shorter
SHOULD send a stateless reset that is one byte shorter than the packet it
responds to.

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This isn't exactly clear, but nor do I think we need to include the fully worked logic that leads to it. This attempts to split the difference. Closes #3848. Commit: 34e7a39199388c97cf21d04470b9240a2c583292 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/34e7a39199388c97cf21d04470b9240a2c583292 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-07 (Fri, 07 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's rewording Commit: dbd0a7c3eedc269df6d6c499d7f9ed73ef6697a1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dbd0a7c3eedc269df6d6c499d7f9ed73ef6697a1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3986 from quicwg/sr-minimum More words on the minimum packet size requirement Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b4f08d1c60e3...dbd0a7c3eedc From nobody Thu Aug 6 18:44:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED423A0CB5 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 18:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DAG0t_Ke5fKa for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 525D83A0CA0 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f1f7af9.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f1f7af9.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.111.13]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B67A840E60 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 18:44:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1596764680; bh=oKweaiGE6pMlnT++qOH0rSxtpxw2g5PgG5ZYqQ1ABfk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mzmS01JfZbRz9mc9dbuMnxNjymotvgHUWp7JF2oVWr6zCRVuBTAVnmJJlqrIIym6o K1CA6Sz6trCABUVzZ6WouZIkmRcClM4EaFTduuQeUcJPQQL4Zt3XRARU4s/NHwsRl9 0js2Yii6TBfwZzK02ZfN4K8VnWKYmtu+MWEgEl9Y= Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 18:44:40 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Minimum packet size for stateless reset (#3848) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f2cb2081bd92_68eb16f83981"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 01:44:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f2cb2081bd92_68eb16f83981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #3848 via #3986. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 10 05:29:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E163A1529 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H7J138WDeWaw for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B7D33A0DD8 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FEB900051 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:29:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597062594; bh=AJ3OmD7KiBZmWRECYIA7Tx2PvcSRVbzdqP/HysJ8QZM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xxfNplBrBhq7PP7kXTmOBddDms/a99dmBlQml/G6dg2BHjwyCML98cIDt4bpczVfp 4YAomUqZQtW4MyA/MrNyvs0u7dGn0uA+LdGjhD2EJseY3tETeMxlBJx8CL8AtLs61x yPjC35HbvHlvIafCxshAKASZb0WEjNcDv4VSyXrw= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:29:54 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow server to enforce port-Retry packet numbering (#3989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f313dc2b2078_694416f85869"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:29:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f313dc2b2078_694416f85869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _(I first raised this issue on the [mailing list](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/D59v8K4Zem5Kb2zjQWyKsA_v1eI/).)_ There is the following `MUST NOT` in the transport draft: ``` A client MUST NOT reset the packet number for any packet number space after processing a Retry packet; Section 17.2.3 contains more information on this. ``` We should allow the server to abort the connection the the client violates this `MUST NOT`. The server can do so by including the packet number into the Retry token and comparing against it when the client sends packets that carry the token. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3989 ----==_mimepart_5f313dc2b2078_694416f85869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

(I first raised this issue on the mailing list.)

There is the following MUST NOT in the transport draft:

   A client MUST NOT reset the packet number for any packet number space
   after processing a Retry packet; Section 17.2.3 contains more
   information on this.

We should allow the server to abort the connection the the client violates this MUST NOT. The server can do so by including the packet number into the Retry token and comparing against it when the client sends packets that carry the token.

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Fixes issue #3989.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3990

Commit Summary

  • Let server abort on post-Retry packet number reset

File Changes

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3666,17 +3644,33 @@ validation at a sender and including a lower value than what was included in a
 previous ACK frame could cause ECN to be unnecessarily disabled; see
 {{ecn-validation}}.
 
+{{ack-tracking}} describes an exemplary approach for determining what packets
+to acknowledge in each ACK frame.  Though the goal of this algorithm is to
+generate an acknowledgment for every packet that is processed, it is still
+possible for acknowledgments to be lost.  A sender cannot expect to receive

Minor nit; I think the sender is right to expect this in the normal case, but it's not guaranteed and can't be relied upon.

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----==_mimepart_5f31637a93afd_63d116f81079e4-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 11:14:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F9A3A0A3F for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:14:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.552 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.552 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lZOVxjzFLi9d for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BF933A09F8 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF90600D94 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:14:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597083275; bh=GrmYl344OktW3AJGwA/MH+AUtAltoJtYP0/SEs6kcZA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RqfmUkYn4t/tJTzq7Dbywl+uaZnXtQmiQnimlCFdIniyUpE5dENEQ0agwu+FH08NB URWB05ls0TEA45XtYnv62dI1fef92Iop/oKEohsIf2fJ7F3OYUgr3FFjs11w38Ai8l F8l6Ittvqmapbsrto6ngcN7RxMPh5j0tregXZLi8= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:14:35 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reserved frame types error (#3991) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f318e8b9c416_4c8d16f811024f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:14:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f318e8b9c416_4c8d16f811024f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We currently say: > Frame types that were used in HTTP/2 where there is no corresponding HTTP/3 frame have also been reserved (Section 11.2.1). These frame types MUST NOT be sent, and receipt MAY be treated as an error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED. This text has two failings: - It doesn't specify whether the error is a stream error or a connection error - In #3955, it was argued that this violation is easily detected, and perhaps warrants a "MUST error" instead of a "MAY error" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3991 ----==_mimepart_5f318e8b9c416_4c8d16f811024f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We currently say:

Frame types that were used in HTTP/2 where there is no corresponding HTTP/3 frame have also been reserved (Section 11.2.1). These frame types MUST NOT be sent, and receipt MAY be treated as an error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.

This text has two failings:

  • It doesn't specify whether the error is a stream error or a connection error
  • In #3955, it was argued that this violation is easily detected, and perhaps warrants a "MUST error" instead of a "MAY error"

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----==_mimepart_5f318e8b9c416_4c8d16f811024f-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 11:15:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83EC3A0A3D for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rQbBESjhGYnF for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80FBB3A09F8 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C638B5E0044 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:15:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597083325; bh=olw8RS9TPbL9/ZIa4TQ2NQNb6OWEAdstzDzx1VAD5JE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gvSZEpxVZnf7DV6p5kSQuzhx3dTYfclBW+I+lKkSEnWBQcVvIwclMEHeFhFs9+ZVM 8t3I9mSLQPQreXDJP19z+OqDwk5xCsqiAxhhzWBEcngQYzMehi7StAB+rvrgB6iqxW 20mCTO3/LSrpgoiBNOnGSSzdQge6KZx15YR76gsc= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:15:25 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify HTTP/2 setting parameter reservation (#3955) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f318ebdb6adc_bca16f816434f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:15:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f318ebdb6adc_bca16f816434f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson, that goes back to the discussion we had around stream vs. connection errors. @kazuho's point, if I can summarize briefly, is that an intermediary might directly copy some things from its connection to the client onto its connection to the server, or vice versa. That led to the logic of using connection errors for things _definitely_ generated by your peer; settings are definitely generated by the peer, which argues for "MUST error," while frames might have come from upstream. However, I note that we currently don't specify whether receiving a reserved frame type is a stream or a connection error, so I've opened #3991 for that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3955#issuecomment-671509132 ----==_mimepart_5f318ebdb6adc_bca16f816434f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson, that goes back to the discussion we had around stream vs. connection errors. @kazuho's point, if I can summarize briefly, is that an intermediary might directly copy some things from its connection to the client onto its connection to the server, or vice versa. That led to the logic of using connection errors for things definitely generated by your peer; settings are definitely generated by the peer, which argues for "MUST error," while frames might have come from upstream.

However, I note that we currently don't specify whether receiving a reserved frame type is a stream or a connection error, so I've opened #3991 for that.

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----==_mimepart_5f318ebdb6adc_bca16f816434f-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 11:17:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866113A0A3F for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fa_Aq1m6xHMG for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 312B83A0A3D for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CB25E05A3 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:17:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597083421; bh=Px7Mzy0DZFIJEKg2QZOrX1N3bAO51cvd8bXp865gv+I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=vrhXVmruDTkEpRfmplHTo2jVpKETz9RjwWJ09xNhBtlqtdxNCjcJo/qZZ6q2jrc6R tFw55MVrOgSEhKfMhXqncFPzjl2/WXznHz8zQinTfz0oxjihidnO02tvjQSPgjVUKo icwGxCpmdisiWwNuhQKitHy2ybeqfaP1N0Kjna04= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:17:01 -0700 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 065a6b: Version field <-> Version is not invariant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:17:06 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/h2_settings_reserved Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 065a6bd49dc0ddc7a1fb6b7b8a2142834b0158af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/065a6bd49dc0ddc7a1fb6b7b8a2142834b0158af Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-06-24 (Wed, 24 Jun 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Version field <-> Version is not invariant ...it's just a Version field. This is a subtle one, but it follows from the work that others have been doing on greasing versions or providing additions to echconfig for QUIC connection establishment. It basically says that Version is for endpoints, not middleboxes. Commit: 6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a314a2fc473f776b55f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a314a2fc473f776b55f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-01 (Wed, 01 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Version is for endpoints Commit: f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Error for frames in the wrong packet Closes #3851. Commit: d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c0961effc56bd7966b393 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c0961effc56bd7966b393 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- change error to PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when receiving an invalid RCID frame Commit: 415ae7646ddd5d62810365215893bd9f4ebf55d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/415ae7646ddd5d62810365215893bd9f4ebf55d8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Prohibit reading 1-RTT before handshake complete This was never explicit for the client as it is usually not possible. Closes #3855 in a way that perhaps was not anticipated. Commit: 8d15c9b4a61a391541b7344166cb60f431bca1a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d15c9b4a61a391541b7344166cb60f431bca1a0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- 3x amplification limit for CONNECTION_CLOSE We weren't very concrete in saying how endpoints generate packets with CONNECTION_CLOSE, particularly those that throw away keys. We have a rather vague requirement. In short, follow the same rules we established for the handshake. Wording this as an aggregate number allows for stochastic reactions and larger CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. This way, if you get a 25-byte packet and respond with a 200-byte packet, you can do that, but you have to respond to 3 in 8 or fewer in that way. Note that this limit only applies if the endpoint throws away decryption keys. Endpoints with keys aren't blind amplifiers. Closes #3845. Commit: 2d92d2c893add972496120d364e881af55c70e11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d92d2c893add972496120d364e881af55c70e11 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-07-09 (Thu, 09 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- No RTT samples, no persistent congestion Fixes #3875 Commit: a38e49b3e25977f9dea8f0bc099e542f04004d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a38e49b3e25977f9dea8f0bc099e542f04004d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-14 (Tue, 14 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be clearer about protections This breaks down some of the packet protection text in favour of more specific language about the protections provided. By preference, this talks about integrity protection and confidentiality protection as it relates to those packets that are protected using keys derived from TLS. For Initial packets this means avoid use of "packet protection" as much as possible (I'm sure that I have missed some of these). The same for Retry. This required some additional framing, but it wasn't too intrusive. Most of the changes are cosmetic. Closes #3887. Commit: 25264d07790fcb63f08d3400a9bb61aa6a4785c2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/25264d07790fcb63f08d3400a9bb61aa6a4785c2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-14 (Tue, 14 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- First initial Commit: 414498f28aff12124a94fd5ffc5c7c2ece8105bf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/414498f28aff12124a94fd5ffc5c7c2ece8105bf Author: ianswett Date: 2020-07-14 (Tue, 14 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 83e840eb0fdef5f972306477b8b9cc62fe355bb4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/83e840eb0fdef5f972306477b8b9cc62fe355bb4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-15 (Wed, 15 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- first Initial Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop Commit: b10404aba157fc11c01b3cbd62b359988bb3d614 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b10404aba157fc11c01b3cbd62b359988bb3d614 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-15 (Wed, 15 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- 4-byte identifier rather than integer Commit: 4479b16ed2d268284f7777d5ceb0935fcbdfd950 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4479b16ed2d268284f7777d5ceb0935fcbdfd950 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-15 (Wed, 15 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md M protection-samples.js Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into version-not Identify VN using 0x00000000. Commit: 642cc0f0de4dd9160feea5b6727aeab5fdd4c306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/642cc0f0de4dd9160feea5b6727aeab5fdd4c306 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-15 (Wed, 15 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Fixup xref and s/numbers/values Commit: 6bfa25a4eda6b4efe52fb802940b0efb04d15f99 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bfa25a4eda6b4efe52fb802940b0efb04d15f99 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-07-15 (Wed, 15 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Current time PTO clarification This is a rephrase of @martinthomson suggestion. Fixes #3908 Commit: 5782bf9aead14fee58252a587376e56bf62abf91 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5782bf9aead14fee58252a587376e56bf62abf91 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-16 (Thu, 16 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into less-protection Commit: c78921e5d3ff5d5ea37a398eccd8afd74872e71b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c78921e5d3ff5d5ea37a398eccd8afd74872e71b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-16 (Thu, 16 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Use text from master for this paragraph Commit: 1db24ca405c391ad6044260aeb196626b1c716d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1db24ca405c391ad6044260aeb196626b1c716d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-16 (Thu, 16 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Trailing 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ianswett Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Co-authored-by: Kazuho Oku Commit: bca2743083bca2e8a7b85abb392b85675798c8fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bca2743083bca2e8a7b85abb392b85675798c8fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-20 (Mon, 20 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- wrap Commit: 13cfae81cd06270203423bbf93d6ce294dbc676e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13cfae81cd06270203423bbf93d6ce294dbc676e Author: ianswett Date: 2020-07-20 (Mon, 20 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- May use 64+bit CIDs as address validation Fixes #3834 Commit: 5a790e1484d9eef476a63248bd8b2b5a3f91cdee https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a790e1484d9eef476a63248bd8b2b5a3f91cdee Author: ianswett Date: 2020-07-20 (Mon, 20 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md A variation on @martinthomson 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draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: 8919206b422be7b3073d993086b4092d82328876 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8919206b422be7b3073d993086b4092d82328876 Author: Lars Eggert Date: 2020-07-30 (Thu, 30 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- ACK delay -> acknowledgment delay Commit: ee6f584ddd2631d19a94fe166e7bb172e6db3e3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee6f584ddd2631d19a94fe166e7bb172e6db3e3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-07-31 (Fri, 31 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into larse-recovery Commit: 0262fe31d9cc96e6a1684fba61b7ae7a2b011e68 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0262fe31d9cc96e6a1684fba61b7ae7a2b011e68 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This isn't exactly clear, but nor do I think we need to include the fully worked logic that leads to it. This attempts to split the difference. Closes #3848. 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[ci skip] Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/bc870256b725...b67fcda735cf From nobody Mon Aug 10 11:59:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258523A0B3A for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFdUNsu4ky8U for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 014483A0B39 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E775E0ECB for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597085951; bh=FOYKSbCJckTpubDNuvooVO97aqKYQa1Mz3RLpoluD0U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RltZaaxAJyox+Lfey65oKCGHK1tfX0E5KV4OFEYt4nGgDDJUbcHqRW00ZiOj4m3Nq DPeFqt6Xi1lzwak9kSiaD8CjhvQkQPd4Qqkata+XZDB95gkFW/W0NfCq36VSW8rmt3 e/iK9vkUs9giy6HLCEXI7e4nTRnBT13xLu1Kmf9U= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:59:11 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify simultaneous path validation (#3932) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3198ff8735a_34ba16f81944d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:59:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3198ff8735a_34ba16f81944d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note that while the server needs to respond to the probes (so the client can validate the paths), I don't think there's any requirement that the server continue to regard all those paths as validated. When the client actually migrates, if the server wants to treat the migration as an unvalidated path and initiate validation again, that seems fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3932#issuecomment-671530292 ----==_mimepart_5f3198ff8735a_34ba16f81944d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Note that while the server needs to respond to the probes (so the client can validate the paths), I don't think there's any requirement that the server continue to regard all those paths as validated. When the client actually migrates, if the server wants to treat the migration as an unvalidated path and initiate validation again, that seems fine.

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(#3953)=0D =0D * Application can reset stream or close connection even if no error occur= s.=0D =0D The application may reset a stream, for example, when a browser tab is=0D= closed or when the pushed resource is found in cache. It might close=0D the connection when the application is closed. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3666,17 +3644,33 @@ validation at a sender and including a lower value than what was included in a
 previous ACK frame could cause ECN to be unnecessarily disabled; see
 {{ecn-validation}}.
 
+{{ack-tracking}} describes an exemplary approach for determining what packets
+to acknowledge in each ACK frame.  Though the goal of this algorithm is to
+generate an acknowledgment for every packet that is processed, it is still
+possible for acknowledgments to be lost.  A sender cannot expect to receive

Thanks, I moved this up and tweaked the wording, since it's a general statement and not specific to ack-tracking.

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+1 to both changes from my perspective.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

If we're making a normative change, I'd argue for SHOULD

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----==_mimepart_5f31e44cd0c85_74c616f82468f7-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 17:25:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E432E3A0E55 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:25:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YTOtdoS-ZLYs for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BF3A3A0E54 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C521C340E09 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:25:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597105530; bh=HVQJjxmE9iYPMWPCWUtKLQVe2NlOMekD2wAkgkMSJkA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nAsYP2dY+P/AsZQgPZiHRX7J9sKh17tv4pM6HCwPYY21ys31E7eZM5z5UqeeoeSLz /TzMpjU80tPAAJBanAVcaPAWrgnNf6zKmmzKICPG0TrCRcyOgTDleVPTtOxbq8NqPI KNvIF5WkaE1SavsseLIHbv5l1Vnz6+KZX64I+ta8= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:25:30 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework section on persistent congestion (#3961) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f31e57ab6761_191916f82414b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 00:25:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f31e57ab6761_191916f82414b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. One more suggestion > +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent +congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a +sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them +restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer +from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being +received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent +congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs. + +### Establishing Persistent Congestion + +A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at +least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and: + +* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent; + +* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the Sorry for the confusion, I now have what you have in mind. If you put this bullet after the next one, I think this will be clearer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3961#pullrequestreview-464670452 ----==_mimepart_5f31e57ab6761_191916f82414b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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One more suggestion

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent
+congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a
+sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them
+restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer
+from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being
+received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent
+congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs.
+
+### Establishing Persistent Congestion
+
+A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
+least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+
+* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent;
+
+* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the

Sorry for the confusion, I now have what you have in mind.

If you put this bullet after the next one, I think this will be clearer.

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I'm going to argue that frames also need to definitely come from a peer. If SETTINGS definitely comes from an immediate peer, then transport-level intermediation is not valid. That is, you forward (HTTP) frames blindly at your own risk.

That is, if you indicate in SETTINGS that you understand an extension and then blindly forward frames related to that extension, you are responsible for the effects.

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I think that this might as well run through the design process. It's borderline, because this is about enforcement of an existing MUST, which you might argue comes with an implicit MAY enforce, but we do need to agree on the requirement level.

Note that this isn't completely trivial to implement. If a servers responds to packet 1 with Retry, it has to ignore packet 0 if it arrives with no token (or a NEW_TOKEN token). That's already a requirement, but a poor implementation of this requirement will fail, likely with low enough probability that the error won't be detected, especially when it is hidden by Alt-Svc.

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----==_mimepart_5f31ead019b5d_40ec16f88866fc-- From nobody Mon Aug 10 17:50:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EF43A0EB5 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rH4SDhjOALxw for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DDBB3A0EA3 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E37E1E10 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:49:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597106998; bh=BfRe9iMyLJN9TojyO0lGq9f5bVp3rJbvrHkBoRSHVD8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=U2zcqyV6TJfgaONdK+07q/zN1zLQzCjDuvlzc51qqxuK0MSJHwEnOOm1E5gH0kmIc sXIfoUJpzXndLRsSttPEFqdQdkp5J67+sfk7fSVnLNw323yjbgdmDh914H2HKRXgSV QelWFNpLAA3RfvJFJIh5e2GxN1m+PfuRrNOwtQGI= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:49:58 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify simultaneous path validation (#3932) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f31eb3659ba3_106616f83666ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 00:50:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f31eb3659ba3_106616f83666ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the paths aren't validated until the server explicitly validates them, so it seems like the cost is pretty minimal until the server decides to engage resources for that path. The server can also respond on the old path if the client is just probing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3932#issuecomment-671661091 ----==_mimepart_5f31eb3659ba3_106616f83666ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Well, the paths aren't validated until the server explicitly validates them, so it seems like the cost is pretty minimal until the server decides to engage resources for that path. The server can also respond on the old path if the client is just probing.

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This is a big change, but seems good. Some specific suggestions on improving the text. > + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless Given the situation, I believe reordered is correct. ```suggestion could cause reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless ``` > +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless +reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving +packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that are able ```suggestion packets do not induce a response, such as those that are able ``` > +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless +reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving +packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that are able +to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow +for faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting +new connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all +connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being handled +generically. For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response This sentence is not very helpful, so I'd remove it unless you have a better suggestion. > +connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being handled +generically. For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response This sentence is not very helpful, so I'd remove it unless you have a better suggestion. ```suggestion connection state. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response ``` > +While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new +source address, indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An +endpoint that discards information about validated addresses might be used to +create an amplification attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid being used +for an amplication attack, an endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard +packets received from unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of +packets it sends to unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it +receives from the address. Given other path migration constraints, this text seems odd. It's possible it could be fully removed. ```suggestion While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received from unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the address. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negot=
iates a=0D
+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages=
 that=0D
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, aft=
er which=0D
+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the applic=
ation=0D
+closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate erro=
r code=0D
+will be used to signal closure.=0D
+=0D
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connecti=
ons=0D
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discard=
ed.=0D
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
imeout=0D
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
+=0D
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draini=
ng state=0D
+could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stat=
eless=0D
=0D

Given the situation, I believe reordered is correct.

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-could cause delayed or reordered packets to g=
enerate an unnecessary stateless=0D
+could cause reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +close a connection.  This might be after =
the application protocols negotiates a=0D
+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages=
 that=0D
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, aft=
er which=0D
+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the applic=
ation=0D
+closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate erro=
r code=0D
+will be used to signal closure.=0D
+=0D
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connecti=
ons=0D
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discard=
ed.=0D
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
imeout=0D
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
+=0D
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draini=
ng state=0D
+could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stat=
eless=0D
+reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-ar=
riving=0D
+packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that a=
re able=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-packets on the connection do not induce a res=
ponse, such as those that are able=0D
+packets do not induce a response, such as those that are able=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +The closing and draining connection state=
s exist to ensure that connections=0D
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discard=
ed.=0D
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
imeout=0D
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
+=0D
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draini=
ng state=0D
+could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stat=
eless=0D
+reset. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that late-ar=
riving=0D
+packets on the connection do not induce a response, such as those that a=
re able=0D
+to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow=0D
+for faster resource recovery.  Servers that retain an open socket for ac=
cepting=0D
+new connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early.=0D
+=0D
+Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all=0D=

+connection state.  This results in new packets on the connection being h=
andled=0D
+generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in re=
sponse=0D
=0D

This sentence is not very helpful, so I'd remove it unless you have a = better suggestion.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +connection state.  This results in new pa=
ckets on the connection being handled=0D
+generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in re=
sponse=0D
=0D

This sentence is not very helpful, so I'd remove it unless you have a = better suggestion.

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-connection state.  This results in new packet=
s on the connection being handled=0D
-generically.  For instance, an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in re=
sponse=0D
+connection state.  An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +While in the closing state, an endpoint c=
ould receive packets from a new=0D
+source address, indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An=
=0D
+endpoint that discards information about validated addresses might be us=
ed to=0D
+create an amplification attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid bei=
ng used=0D
+for an amplication attack, an endpoint in the closing state MUST either =
discard=0D
+packets received from unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size=
 of=0D
+packets it sends to unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets=
 it=0D
+receives from the address.=0D
=0D

Given other path migration constraints, this text seems odd. It's pos= sible it could be fully removed.

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-While in the closing state, an endpoint could=
 receive packets from a new=0D
-source address, indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An=
=0D
-endpoint that discards information about validated addresses might be us=
ed to=0D
-create an amplification attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid bei=
ng used=0D
-for an amplication attack, an endpoint in the closing state MUST either =
discard=0D
-packets received from unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size=
 of=0D
-packets it sends to unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets=
 it=0D
-receives from the address.=0D
+While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new=
=0D
+source address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migrat=
ion}}.=0D
+An endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received fr=
om=0D
+unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends t=
o=0D
+unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from th=
e address.=0D
=0D =0D =0D

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I agree this isn't trivial to enforce. Which is why I favor "If you detect this, you SHOULD close the connection.", rather than any recommendation on detecting a violation.

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Aside from it not being trivial to enforce, I am not sure how much I like the idea of enforcing correctness for Initial packets. And that is because injection of Initial packets is the way for middleboxes to disrupt the connection.

IIRC, we have allowed endpoints to ignore suspicious Initial packets, and I tend to think that we do not need to suggest that an endpoint can (IMO needlessly) strict.

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Thanks Ian, I took the suggestions. Not sure about the reordering thing.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negotiates a
+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the application
+closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code
+will be used to signal closure.
+
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded.
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state
+could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless

Let's say that you send CONNECTION_CLOSE then drop state immediately. It's not clear whether packets you subsequently receive are the result of the peer just sending, delays, or reordering. Maybe we can just say "packets":

[...] could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in response to receiving a packet.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 11 05:43:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBC73A102C for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 05:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tvdwv0-xkT7A for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 05:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44EAC3A102A for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 05:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.47]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3941B520D45 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 05:42:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597149778; bh=HYde83adwd3roKNnaaq1NewDW7XWMGY/MIv5RTfD2uM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uOHnAc23LwK0FTCcFcDS+QY+waleDVnVIgS07UccNTMkgjUwkpZgXu9fClVHDCgxI JR6eCwQrZx8ShCzqiuKpFWvVvA7VhVh9yVtwnUgX3cSeWpEvjH6thagrH4eTuByjhc 7yyaPnlf8XDXHmNQSI7o12+Fvk8BpnMDXx5xvOwk= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 05:42:58 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow server to enforce port-Retry packet numbering (#3989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f32925227a24_1a5d16f81102bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:43:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f32925227a24_1a5d16f81102bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Note that this isn't completely trivial to implement. If a servers responds to packet 1 with Retry, it has to ignore packet 0 if it arrives with no token (or a NEW_TOKEN token). That's already a requirement How would the server know to ignore packet 0 in a *Stateless* Retry? I believe it would respond with another Retry packet instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3989#issuecomment-671923127 ----==_mimepart_5f32925227a24_1a5d16f81102bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Note that this isn't completely trivial to implement. If a servers responds to packet 1 with Retry, it has to ignore packet 0 if it arrives with no token (or a NEW_TOKEN token). That's already a requirement

How would the server know to ignore packet 0 in a Stateless Retry? I believe it would respond with another Retry packet instead.

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----==_mimepart_5f32925227a24_1a5d16f81102bd-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 06:46:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0283A1089 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 06:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dw4U9Ivse6cw for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E08C3A1088 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 06:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4D0560E0F for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 06:45:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597153557; bh=A6pMCq/HN7aPahHmVBnXoLeIrP4mx6MwrpuldJCWq1A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lck0XW2/dYU8dIV0v4FwzZquwX20cNJtuf0LKxFzMGzCktKIJQd6LtFNutrbyKAqS nnv0RahuyXkVe9RCRTH0U7w0JpPIk/R83BxAfzzZ4x0HFq09bIpVpYK7QuabwB+ae3 kclwWSL2ycDU5frVUwGljIuvkN4dRkBd9g/U3ysE= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 06:45:57 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Closing and draining tidy (#3988) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f32a1158ea75_78b316f8284695"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:46:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f32a1158ea75_78b316f8284695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. > + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state +could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless Sure, the new text works I think. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3988#discussion_r468590641 ----==_mimepart_5f32a1158ea75_78b316f8284695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negotiates a
+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the application
+closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code
+will be used to signal closure.
+
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded.
+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout
+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+
+Disposing of connection state prior to the exiting the closing or draining state
+could cause delayed or reordered packets to generate an unnecessary stateless

Sure, the new text works I think.

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I think this flows a lot better. Thanks for the time you put into this! > +Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining state +could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in +response to receiving a packet. Endpoints that have some alternative means to +ensure that late-arriving packets do not induce a response, such as those that +are able to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow for +faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new +connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all +connection state. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response +to any further incoming packets. + + +### Closing Connection State {#closing} + +An endpoint enters a closing state after initiating an immediate close. ```suggestion An endpoint enters the closing state after initiating an immediate close. ``` > @@ -2763,26 +2805,37 @@ Note: congestion control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting the final packet requires less state. -New packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification -attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid this, endpoints MUST either limit -transmission of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames to validated addresses or drop packets -without response if the response would be more than three times larger than the -received packet. +While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source +address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An +endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received from +unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to +unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the +address. + +An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing. A key +update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing state to +draining, but it otherwise has no impact. ```suggestion the draining state, but it otherwise has no impact. ``` > containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT Existing text, but "single packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame ... using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame" seems redundant. ```suggestion containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame before entering the draining state, using a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT ``` > +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it +receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also +closing or draining. In this case, the draining state SHOULD end when the +closing state would have ended. In other words, the endpoint uses the same end +time, but cease retransmission of the closing packet. ```suggestion An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also closing or draining. In this case, the draining state SHOULD end when the closing state would have ended. In other words, the endpoint uses the same end time, but ceases retransmission of the closing packet. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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If it's not trivial, it's verging on trivial. The "right" way to enforce this, as Dmitri notes, is to include the client's packet number in the Retry token. Upon receipt of any token, if it is a retry token, the server checks whether the containing packet number is less than or equal to that stored in the token. If it's not a retry token, no check is needed. This is completely stateless, so if packets get reordered, nothing breaks.

As to the point of modifying Initial packets, that's true. An attacker that can modify packets can always cause the handshake to fail; this is just another way. To use this for disruption by injecting a packet, the attacker has to observe the client's Initial, the server's Retry packet, and then fabricate an Initial with a lower packet number. Not a high bar, but an attacker that can observe the packets in both directions and inject packets can break things in many other ways, too.

I'm comfortable with MAY enforce (which I think is already implicit in a MUST NOT) at least, if people think one more integer encoded in the token is too high a bar for a stronger recommendation.

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I'm also fine with MAY. Honestly, I'm also fine with can.

I agree with Mike's comments that there are so many ways to interrupt the handshake at this stage, this is just another one, and likely not the easiest by far.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

MAY or SHOULD abort if detects, but no requirement that it attempt to detect seems like a reasonable compromise.

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What it was meant to point out was that it is easier to move traffic onto a path that you are on. What it fails to acknowledge is that it is also easier to move traffic *off* a path that you are on. In other words, the treatment of this in 21.12 is more thorough and we don't need to talk about limitations. Mike suggested that there is some duplication between this attack and the more comprehensive analysis in 21.12. That is true, but these serve different purposes. This is to describe attacks and the normative requirements on endpoints necessary to avoid them. The other section is a thorough and hollistic analysis. I couldn't see any truly straightforward changes. That doesn't mean that we won't find a way to clean this up, or that it would be undesirable to have fewer words, but I've not the time for that right now. Closes #3841. 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----==_mimepart_5f3311bb15a4d_af616f88815d-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 14:46:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7293A0D3B for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CndIeGylOAbz for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 756F43A0D37 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B745E0088 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:46:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597182395; bh=AVvfWrez4zc5XnVbojGBuXAok2y1rLwpm2krYPv8duc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GrL2LBKecHKfbGHuQCq5vuglHO0YltMHiK6kvJ+PJnIhcDamte07rmUN6EaygHc5t RH0x9TzqL3TZNzBd+VxydrNX2GclARp7892kUcxLfyMNaNIXGMSo5pkYEENke3vQuF y+LyzRO0lHUKhHVJUuMqVRivIlU+49bqvcXACkN4= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:46:35 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Strike confusing paragraph (#3985) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3311bb97efa_332a16f81533c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:46:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3311bb97efa_332a16f81533c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #3985 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3985#event-3645150429 ----==_mimepart_5f3311bb97efa_332a16f81533c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +This duration allows a sender to send as many packets, including some in
+response to PTO expiration, as TCP does with Tail Loss Probe ({{RACK}}), before
+establishing persistent congestion, as TCP does with a Retransmission Timeout
+({{?RFC5681}}).

slightly rephrased, but taken.

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For packets -sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the +endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section +4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they ```suggestion 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these acknowledgement delays, when they ``` > -sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the -value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when -a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay, -the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler -latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames. Any delays beyond the -peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and -incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. +for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the +endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section +4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they +occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint +can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily ```suggestion can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay to avoid unnecessarily ``` > -- MUST NOT apply the adjustment if the resulting RTT sample is smaller than the - min_rtt. This limits the underestimation that a misreporting peer can cause - to the smoothed_rtt. +- MUST use the lesser of the acknowledgement delay and the peer's max_ack_delay + after the handshake is confirmed, + +- MUST NOT apply the adjustments above if the resulting RTT sample is smaller ```suggestion - MUST NOT subtract the acknowledgement delay if the resulting RTT sample is smaller ``` > +Additionaly, an endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when +the corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a ```suggestion Additionaly, an endpoint might be unable to process acknowledgements when the corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a ``` > -- MUST NOT apply the adjustment if the resulting RTT sample is smaller than the - min_rtt. This limits the underestimation that a misreporting peer can cause - to the smoothed_rtt. +- MUST use the lesser of the acknowledgement delay and the peer's max_ack_delay + after the handshake is confirmed, + +- MUST NOT apply the adjustments above if the resulting RTT sample is smaller + than the min_rtt. This limits the underestimation of the smoothed_rtt because + of a misreporting peer. + +Additionaly, an endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when +the corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a +client might receive an acknowledgement for a 0-RTT packet that it cannot +decrypt because 1-RTT packet protection keys are not yet available to it. In +such cases, an endpoint SHOULD ignore such local delays in its RTT sample until ```suggestion such cases, an endpoint SHOULD subtract such local delays from its RTT sample until ``` > -The PTO value MUST be set to at least kGranularity, to avoid the timer expiring +When the PTO is armed for Initial or Handshake packet number spaces, the +max_ack_delay in the PTO period computation is set to 0, since the peer is This seems potentially at odds with the text above about ignoring max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed? > +field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the +endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section +4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they +occur, are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the handshake, the endpoint +can use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay and avoid unnecessarily +inflating the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the +peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to +unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the +peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are +considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt +estimate. I agree with @nibanks that I thought we already had text for that, though it'd be in transport. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +This design does not use consecutive PTO events to establish persistent
+congestion, since application patterns impact PTO expirations. For example, a
+sender that sends small amounts of data with silence periods between them
+restarts the PTO timer every time it sends, potentially preventing the PTO timer
+from expiring for a long period of time, even when no acknowledgments are being
+received. The use of a duration enables a sender to establish persistent
+congestion without depending on the occurrence of PTOs.
+
+### Establishing Persistent Congestion
+
+A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
+least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+
+* a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent;
+
+* the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the

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It's hard to pin down exactly what changes here substantively, but it's worth getting the eyes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3821#issuecomment-672302637 ----==_mimepart_5f331594669f5_b8516f81183a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think we should flag this as design and run the process. It's hard to pin down exactly what changes here substantively, but it's worth getting the eyes.

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Let's mark this as design and run the process.

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It basically says that Version is for=0D endpoints, not middleboxes.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a314a2fc473f776b55f0=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a3= 14a2fc473f776b55f0=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-01 (Wed, 01 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Version is for endpoints=0D =0D =0D Commit: f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2= 370d54f23b7f3b2d9a=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Error for frames in the wrong packet=0D =0D Closes #3851.=0D =0D =0D Commit: d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c0961effc56bd7966b393=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c09= 61effc56bd7966b393=0D Author: Marten Seemann =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D change error to PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when receiving an invalid RCID frame= =0D =0D =0D Commit: 415ae7646ddd5d62810365215893bd9f4ebf55d8=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/415ae7646ddd5d62810365= 215893bd9f4ebf55d8=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Prohibit reading 1-RTT before handshake complete=0D =0D This was never explicit for the client as it is usually not possible.=0D =0D Closes #3855 in a way that perhaps was not anticipated.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 8d15c9b4a61a391541b7344166cb60f431bca1a0=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d15c9b4a61a391541b734= 4166cb60f431bca1a0=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D 3x amplification limit for CONNECTION_CLOSE=0D =0D We weren't very concrete in saying how endpoints generate packets with=0D= CONNECTION_CLOSE, particularly those that throw away keys. 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What it was=0D meant to point out was that it is easier to move traffic onto a path=0D that you are on. What it fails to acknowledge is that it is also easier=0D= to move traffic *off* a path that you are on.=0D =0D In other words, the treatment of this in 21.12 is more thorough and we=0D= don't need to talk about limitations.=0D =0D Mike suggested that there is some duplication between this attack and=0D the more comprehensive analysis in 21.12. That is true, but these serve=0D= different purposes. This is to describe attacks and the normative=0D requirements on endpoints necessary to avoid them. The other section is=0D= a thorough and hollistic analysis. I couldn't see any truly=0D straightforward changes. That doesn't mean that we won't find a way to=0D= clean this up, or that it would be undesirable to have fewer words, but=0D= I've not the time for that right now.=0D =0D Closes #3841.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 4638bda40697497e0e8abf0587c071da68a5b7c3=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4638bda40697497e0e8abf= 0587c071da68a5b7c3=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-08-05 (Wed, 05 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D More words on the minimum packet size requirement=0D =0D For stateless resets, we recommend a minimum packet size on ALL packets,=0D= based on the maximum length of connection IDs that might be generated by=0D= the same endpoint. This isn't exactly clear, but nor do I think we need=0D= to include the fully worked logic that leads to it.=0D =0D This attempts to split the difference.=0D =0D Closes #3848.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 34e7a39199388c97cf21d04470b9240a2c583292=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/34e7a39199388c97cf21d0= 4470b9240a2c583292=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-08-07 (Fri, 07 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Jana's rewording=0D =0D =0D Commit: dbd0a7c3eedc269df6d6c499d7f9ed73ef6697a1=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dbd0a7c3eedc269df6d6c4= 99d7f9ed73ef6697a1=0D Author: Jana Iyengar =0D Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge pull request #3986 from quicwg/sr-minimum=0D =0D More words on the minimum packet size requirement=0D =0D =0D Commit: 1373d195146a5a0d5ea911816ecb6d813b129545=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1373d195146a5a0d5ea911= 816ecb6d813b129545=0D Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky =0D Date: 2020-08-10 (Mon, 10 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Application can reset stream or close connection even if no error occur= s. (#3953)=0D =0D * Application can reset stream or close connection even if no error occur= s.=0D =0D The application may reset a stream, for example, when a browser tab is=0D= closed or when the pushed resource is found in cache. It might close=0D the connection when the application is closed. These are not errors per=0D= se, even though the term "stream error" and "connection error" is used=0D= for these events, and they have an associated "error code".=0D =0D * Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D =0D * Jana's suggestion to pluralize errors.=0D =0D * Jana's suggestion to pluralize even more=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar =0D =0D * Mike's wording of "indicate a problem"=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D =0D Co-authored-by: Bence B=C3=A9ky =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar =0D =0D =0D Commit: b5cd992d874e880d803127f68704f63999efb53b=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b5cd992d874e880d803127= f68704f63999efb53b=0D Author: Jana Iyengar =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge pull request #3985 from quicwg/on-path-is-stronger=0D =0D Strike confusing paragraph=0D =0D =0D Commit: 7dfa49112b28391a6e8ef958f39eef2a5342e6e3=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7dfa49112b28391a6e8ef9= 58f39eef2a5342e6e3=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http/reject_terms=0D =0D =0D Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8a96637f0839...7df= a49112b28=0D From nobody Tue Aug 11 15:10:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3537F3A0D70 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HxUXGtEe-p4d for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 212983A0DA0 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166B05C03F4 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:09:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597183792; bh=sKVrAv4spNJ7vSSWV8xCqr+JxJlzf+eTxo7AhLZMjYo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YG9xDuhPMTs1Wn7tulpb85qwlAahdUuXlcJlwlK8BqckrTw+EeuYWKea+hx+eu0+l PaLMio3jQTcUxjg1ZUxOmWSnCcBAAk8te8wfMd4Pd1/KUjoLmxHJtEEjek9mRU5rBJ uuZCc/8sWUjrufNMk6GchfElB2lHp5/FXyYAH3X8= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:09:52 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rearrange discussion of cancellation and rejection (#3926) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f331730687e_28cc16f811400"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:10:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f331730687e_28cc16f811400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop pushed 1 commit. 7dfa49112b28391a6e8ef958f39eef2a5342e6e3 Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http/reject_terms -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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A few more comments, but this is looking good. > @@ -1225,17 +1249,15 @@ OnAckReceived(ack, pn_space): if (newly_acked_packets.empty()): return - // If the largest acknowledged is newly acked and - // at least one ack-eliciting was newly acked, update the RTT. + // Update the RTT if the largest acknowledged is newly acked + // and at least one ack-eliciting was newly acked. + ```suggestion ``` > @@ -499,9 +499,12 @@ handshake, new data is requested from TLS after providing received data. ### Encryption Level Changes As keys at a given encryption level become available to TLS, TLS indicates to -QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available. These -events are not asynchronous; they always occur immediately after TLS is provided -with new handshake bytes, or after TLS produces handshake bytes. +QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available. While +generating these keys, an endpoint SHOULD buffer received packets marked as +protected by the keys being generated, and process them once those keys become +available. If the keys are generated asynchronously, an endpoint MAY continue I think we expect implementations to do this typically, unless there's a reason not to? ```suggestion available. If the keys are generated asynchronously, an endpoint SHOULD continue ``` > @@ -3685,14 +3691,18 @@ packet with the largest packet number is received and the time an acknowledgment is sent. The endpoint encodes this acknowledgement delay in the ACK Delay field of an ACK frame; see {{frame-ack}}. This allows the receiver of the ACK frame to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for getting a better -estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed. A packet might be -held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed. An -endpoint MUST NOT include delays that it does not control when populating the -ACK Delay field in an ACK frame. - -Since the acknowledgement delay is not used for Initial and Handshake -packets, the ACK Delay field in acknowledgements for those packet types -SHOULD be set to 0. +estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed. + +A packet might be held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being I'd still like to strike the word 'intentionally' from above, since I don't think it's helpful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#pullrequestreview-465459308 ----==_mimepart_5f3318a6d8ad_b6316f81493dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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A few more comments, but this is looking good.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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-QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available=
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+QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available=
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+generating these keys, an endpoint SHOULD buffer received packets marked=
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+protected by the keys being generated, and process them once those keys =
become=0D
+available.  If the keys are generated asynchronously, an endpoint MAY co=
ntinue=0D
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I think we expect implementations to do this typically, unless there's= a reason not to?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 of an ACK frame; see {{frame-ack}}.  This allows the receiver of the ACK=
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I'd still like to strike the word 'intentionally' from above, since I = don't think it's helpful.

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----==_mimepart_5f3319dbcfe2a_7a1116f822347d-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 15:22:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64DF3A0D66 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LpERbFzRyz0v for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 558FF3A0D49 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EF8600E2D for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:22:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597184529; bh=P47aAaJw0TDbuC9MwCwQdQU7dFLdsGP78/PitPHLhWs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=k238fJhKwCbVrMZQ1Sfy1gCoELelGsyYWB6eEsNcZZbJSk8jFJG0Gxp/rwqRlngl2 Q9UfEBIa+sOjUGeCcSG9BkU6dlp00OGJgVeUrAQaYfyO1nN41TQgJetU2x/TQwSeeT x/+sh6tCa51h6k6f0W5w3HoPrqDxDECGjbEI0GeM= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:22:09 -0700 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 065a6b: Version field <-> Version is not invariant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:22:18 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/push_flow=0D Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts=0D Commit: 065a6bd49dc0ddc7a1fb6b7b8a2142834b0158af=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/065a6bd49dc0ddc7a1fb6b= 7b8a2142834b0158af=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-06-24 (Wed, 24 Jun 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Version field <-> Version is not invariant=0D =0D ...it's just a Version field.=0D =0D This is a subtle one, but it follows from the work that others have been=0D= doing on greasing versions or providing additions to echconfig for QUIC=0D= connection establishment. It basically says that Version is for=0D endpoints, not middleboxes.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a314a2fc473f776b55f0=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a3= 14a2fc473f776b55f0=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-01 (Wed, 01 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Version is for endpoints=0D =0D =0D Commit: f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2= 370d54f23b7f3b2d9a=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Error for frames in the wrong packet=0D =0D Closes #3851.=0D =0D =0D Commit: d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c0961effc56bd7966b393=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c09= 61effc56bd7966b393=0D Author: Marten Seemann =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D change error to PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when receiving an invalid RCID frame= =0D =0D =0D Commit: 415ae7646ddd5d62810365215893bd9f4ebf55d8=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/415ae7646ddd5d62810365= 215893bd9f4ebf55d8=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Prohibit reading 1-RTT before handshake complete=0D =0D This was never explicit for the client as it is usually not possible.=0D =0D Closes #3855 in a way that perhaps was not anticipated.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 8d15c9b4a61a391541b7344166cb60f431bca1a0=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d15c9b4a61a391541b734= 4166cb60f431bca1a0=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D 3x amplification limit for CONNECTION_CLOSE=0D =0D We weren't very concrete in saying how endpoints generate packets with=0D= CONNECTION_CLOSE, particularly those that throw away keys. We have=0D a rather vague requirement.=0D =0D In short, follow the same rules we established for the handshake.=0D Wording this as an aggregate number allows for stochastic reactions and=0D= larger CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. This way, if you get a 25-byte packet=0D= and respond with a 200-byte packet, you can do that, but you have to=0D respond to 3 in 8 or fewer in that way.=0D =0D Note that this limit only applies if the endpoint throws away decryption=0D= keys. Endpoints with keys aren't blind amplifiers.=0D =0D Closes #3845.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 3b24fdff91cd12c6da486ed48d52152f29928de2=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b24fdff91cd12c6da486e= d48d52152f29928de2=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D WGLC review nits=0D =0D =0D Commit: 7c7a75a193467119ebe42806694f42bdc1acb539=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7c7a75a193467119ebe428= 06694f42bdc1acb539=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Revert one=0D =0D =0D Commit: 2d92d2c893add972496120d364e881af55c70e11=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d92d2c893add972496120= d364e881af55c70e11=0D Author: ianswett =0D Date: 2020-07-09 (Thu, 09 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D No RTT samples, no persistent congestion=0D =0D Fixes #3875=0D =0D =0D Commit: a38e49b3e25977f9dea8f0bc099e542f04004d5a=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a38e49b3e25977f9dea8f0= bc099e542f04004d5a=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-14 (Tue, 14 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Be clearer about protections=0D =0D This breaks down some of the packet protection text in favour of more=0D specific language about the protections provided. 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These are not errors per=0D= se, even though the term "stream error" and "connection error" is used=0D= for these events, and they have an associated "error code".=0D =0D * Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D =0D * Jana's suggestion to pluralize errors.=0D =0D * Jana's suggestion to pluralize even more=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar =0D =0D * Mike's wording of "indicate a problem"=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D =0D Co-authored-by: Bence B=C3=A9ky =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar =0D =0D =0D Commit: b5cd992d874e880d803127f68704f63999efb53b=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b5cd992d874e880d803127= f68704f63999efb53b=0D Author: Jana Iyengar =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge pull request #3985 from quicwg/on-path-is-stronger=0D =0D Strike confusing paragraph=0D =0D =0D Commit: b9d2f19ff02163362a5c1cf1e4bd66544bf22f87=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b9d2f19ff02163362a5c1c= f1e4bd66544bf22f87=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Rearrange discussion of cancellation and rejection (#3926)=0D =0D * Rearrange discussion of cancellation and rejection=0D =0D * Bence's feedback=0D =0D * Break mega=0D =0D =0D Commit: a093f3ea6a97e039c2a9699ef0f0e35304309c53=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a093f3ea6a97e039c2a969= 9ef0f0e35304309c53=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http/push_flow=0D =0D =0D Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f1528a3f4a8e...a09= 3f3ea6a97=0D From nobody Tue Aug 11 15:22:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FCB3A0D47 for ; 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Since this spins off from https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3954 and https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3955 I'm going to assume from past discussion that there is sufficient interest in discussing this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3991#issuecomment-672327342 ----==_mimepart_5f331c8bb57d6_51916f8177263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This sounds like a design issue. Since this spins off from #3954 and #3955 I'm going to assume from past discussion that there is sufficient interest in discussing this.

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----==_mimepart_5f331c8bb57d6_51916f8177263-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 15:33:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58B3A0C59 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:33:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nMNdb6nMaEj for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CE953A064A for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1835C0DC6 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597185230; bh=HTVmxiwIFnvynbYs7MxwGPZX9YS7OW3nAJH+wzN5fKY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Nf/fIGDwlPWH8TsTXsSrBamgESLSW4aHFPxKot+1S48HL54eExbFP7VZfrpW9GbkD NLZIOzdaDBO6dVa+7ER0/wM5TjaImOaZTHAloVwDVoibiVvv4R1B8xrjlU6eZ8h9mS 0HdT1glqqtHvuA8leKVINEJp7xh34sUGtdLVMZJw= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:33:50 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gorry's issues on draft-recovery (#3992) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f331cce2e8ae_60e216f83399e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:33:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f331cce2e8ae_60e216f83399e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was filed a while ago (before WGLC ended), didn't want to drop it.=0D= =0D ```=0D ISSUE:=0D =0D 8.2. Traffic Analysis=0D /Packets that carry only ACK frames can be heuristically identified by =0D= observing packet size. Acknowledgement patterns may expose information =0D= about link characteristics or application behavior. Endpoints can use =0D= PADDING frames or bundle acknowledgments with other frames to reduce =0D leaked information./=0D - I think this needs a warning: This could also increase the return path = =0D traffic, which for asymmetric paths could impact the performance of the =0D= forward path or of other flows that share a restricted return path.=0D =0D ISSUE:=0D =0D /Re-ordering could be more common with QUIC than TCP, because network =0D= elements cannot observe and fix the order of out-of-order packets./=0D - They can if they add network-layer sequence numbers, as some =0D tunnels/encaps for example can... This seems like an odd statement. Is =0D= it necessary? If so, please explain more.=0D =0D ISSUE:=0D /When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves the =0D congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new congestion =0D= window, and then enters the recovery period./=0D - The requirement is that TCP needs to reduce after CE, The RFC series =0D= does not now say it needs to halve, it could for example follow the =0D reduction method specified in RFC8511. e.g. /When a loss or ECN-CE =0D marking is detected, the sender must reduce the cwnd. NewReno halves the = =0D congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new congestion =0D= window, and then enters the recovery period. [RFC8511] specifies an =0D alternate cwnd reduction./=0D =0D ISSUE:=0D Similar comment in 8.3:=0D /Though congestion controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE =0D markings as equivalent to loss [RFC8311], the exact response for each =0D= controller could be different. /=0D - This does not seem correct. Could I suggest:=0D /Congestion controllers respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their =0D= rate. Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss [RFC3168], but other = =0D responses can be specified (e.g. [RFC8511]) [RFC8311]. /=0D =0D ISSUE:=0D In B.5,=0D // Congestion avoidance.=0D congestion_window +=3D max_datagram_size * acked_packet.size=0D= / congestion_window=0D - is this calculation correct? I was thinking of what might happen when =0D= the PMTU is large and the sender generates a sequence of small packets=E2= =80=A6 =0D would this result in overestimating cwnd?=0D =0D ISSUE:=0D =0D /Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the =0D maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of =0D 14720 or twice the maximum datagram size./=0D =0D - I would like to revist this. We talked in Montreal and at that time I =0D= understood the equivalence to TCP for the case where a large MSS was =0D supported by the path, as per RFC6928. I have since revisited this topic = =0D and would like to suggest the present IETF advice for TCP is in fact =0D wrong for the large initial MSS case, and that this draft should not =0D perputate that mistake for QUIC. The issue comes when IW is initialiased = =0D for a path with a very large PMTU, but that PMTU is not in fact =0D supported by the path.=0D =0D - (i) I observe the TCP case where the path does actually support the =0D= large PMTU, and a receiver advertises an appropiately large MSS. The =0D path then uses the large MSS naturally and all is OK, but stands the =0D risk of (ii) below, since the path might not be the same as a previous =0D= case.=0D =0D - (ii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the =0D receiver advertises a large MSS, but the sender does not have a large =0D= MTU, the advertised large MSS changes the IW, and can vastly increase =0D= the number of packets in the initial window. This was not intended. It =0D= should not happen by default and can cause congestion and increase =0D latency. This is wrong.=0D =0D - (iii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the =0D receiver advertises a large MSS, the sender has a large MTU, but the =0D path does not support this large PMTU. Sending with the large MSS causes = =0D packet loss (or possibly IP-Frag if that was allowed). This was not =0D intended, and may well predjudice performance. Retransmission with a =0D more appropiate PMTU does not change the IW, which then sends too many =0D= segments/packets. For TCP it would probably have resulted in a RTO and =0D= collapsing cwnd. This can cause congestion and increase latency. This is = =0D wrong.=0D =0D ... So why was this was not seen as a real-life problem. I think the =0D advice in RFC6928 should have considered the impact of PMTU failure, but = =0D I conclude it doesn't normally hurt TCP. At the time this was written, =0D= few interfaces really did support more than a 1500B MTU (it may still be = =0D so), and MSS was often effectively limited by the server (sometimes by =0D= config). For servers that did advertise a larger MSS, or where the path =0D= supports less than 1500B, then MSS-clamping by routers along a path =0D would often have triggered. Still, the sender would normally receiver =0D= only a feasible advertised MSS.=0D =0D ... QUIC is different :-). There is no middlebox intervention for MSS =0D= clamping - therefore QUIC is unable to avoid (iii), and likely would be =0D= impacted by (ii). I therefore suggest that QUIC chooses either to =0D eliminate the /or twice the maximum datagram size./ clause, **or** =0D provides a requirement that if this datagram size is not confirmed, then = =0D the IW needs to be limited to 14720 B.=0D =0D ... Finally, I would expect QUIC to perform better if it were to set up =0D= the connection, and then immediately probe for the larger size, since =0D= DPLPMTUD is anyway needed to utliise a larger PMTU and avoid =0D blackholing. However, I don't think we need to explain this in the ID.=0D= =0D ---=0D =0D NiT:=0D /ACK delay/ /Ack Delay/ and /ack delay/ are both used, it seems the =0D /ACK/ is more consistent with other usage.=0D =0D NiT (Missing word):=0D /and are expected to at least as useful in QUIC/and are expected to be =0D= at least as useful in QUIC/=0D =0D REF:=0D =0D /When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting =0D= in the PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff =0D= factor is reset when an acknowledgement is received, except in the =0D following case./=0D - Please consider a reference to draft-ietf-tcpm-rto-consider-16, which =0D= provides BCP on use of timers?=0D =0D The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is =0D limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.=0D - what does /life/ mean here?=0D =0D /send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes./=0D - At what layer is the datagram size measured? Should this be a datagram = =0D with /payload 1200 bytes/?=0D =0D /Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicit= s /=0D - A cross reference would be valuable to the section on /coalesced packet= s/=0D =0D /If the sender wants to elicit a faster acknowledgement on PTO, it can =0D= skip a packet number to eliminate the ack delay./=0D - Explain: this causes the sender to see an out of order packet, which =0D= eliminates the ACK delay.=0D =0D /limited to the larger of 14720/=0D - Please add the word /bytes/?=0D =0D /Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets =0D= that might have arrived before the peer had packet protection keys to =0D= process those packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets =0D that were sent after the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet =0D= number space./=0D - Can you clarify what is intended by the word /ignore/? This is in a =0D= section on CC, so I was hoping that the word ignore meant that the =0D endpoint did not need to make a CC change, otherwise it MUST update the C= C?=0D =0D /7.7. Probe Timeout=0D Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. /=0D - Can you clarify what is intended by the word /blocked/? I was assuming = =0D the transmission was not constrained by the congestion controller?=0D - Would these packets consume flow credit, i.e. are they also not flow =0D= controlled?=0D =0D 7.8. Persistent Congestion=0D - Could you add text explaining what happens? I think I understand, but =0D= to be clear. If the persistent congestion persists, then I think the =0D congestion is not further reduced, but I would expect the PTO to =0D back-off the interval between packets exponentially, is that true? -=0D =0D Are appendix A and B normative or informative?=0D =0D Section A.5. On Sending a Packet; and section A.6. On Receiving a =0D Datagram. If the intention is to talk about datagrams in A.6, can A.5 =0D= explain that packets are sent in datagrams?=0D =0D Sections A.8, A.9, A.10 seem to be sender functions. It would perhaps =0D= avoid doubt to state this.=0D ```=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3992= ----==_mimepart_5f331cce2e8ae_60e216f83399e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=0D

This was filed a while ago (before WGLC ended), didn't want to drop it= .

=0D 
ISSUE:=0D
=0D
8.2. Traffic Analysis=0D
/Packets that carry only ACK frames can be heuristically identified by =0D=

observing packet size. Acknowledgement patterns may expose information =0D=

about link characteristics or application behavior. Endpoints can use =0D=

PADDING frames or bundle acknowledgments with other frames to reduce =0D
leaked information./=0D
- I think this needs a warning: This could also increase the return path =
=0D
traffic, which for asymmetric paths could impact the performance of the =0D=

forward path or of other flows that share a restricted return path.=0D
=0D
ISSUE:=0D
=0D
/Re-ordering could be more common with QUIC than TCP, because network =0D=

elements cannot observe and fix the order of out-of-order packets./=0D
- They can if they add network-layer sequence numbers, as some =0D
tunnels/encaps for example can... This seems like an odd statement. Is =0D=

it necessary? If so, please explain more.=0D
=0D
ISSUE:=0D
/When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves the =0D
congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new congestion =0D=

window, and then enters the recovery period./=0D
- The requirement is that TCP needs to reduce after CE, The RFC series =0D=

does not now say it needs to halve, it could for example follow the =0D
reduction method specified in RFC8511. e.g. /When a loss or ECN-CE =0D
marking is detected, the sender must reduce the cwnd. NewReno halves the =
=0D
congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new congestion =0D=

window, and then enters the recovery period. [RFC8511] specifies an =0D
alternate cwnd reduction./=0D
=0D
ISSUE:=0D
Similar comment in 8.3:=0D
/Though congestion controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE =0D
markings as equivalent to loss [RFC8311], the exact response for each =0D=

controller could be different. /=0D
- This does not seem correct. Could I suggest:=0D
/Congestion controllers respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their =0D=

rate. Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss [RFC3168], but other =
=0D
responses can be specified (e.g. [RFC8511]) [RFC8311]. /=0D
=0D
ISSUE:=0D
In B.5,=0D
           // Congestion avoidance.=0D
           congestion_window +=3D max_datagram_size * acked_packet.size=0D=

               / congestion_window=0D
- is this calculation correct? I was thinking of what might happen when =0D=

the PMTU is large and the sender generates a sequence of small packets=E2=
=80=A6 =0D
would this result in overestimating cwnd?=0D
=0D
ISSUE:=0D
=0D
/Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the =0D
maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of =0D
14720 or twice the maximum datagram size./=0D
=0D
- I would like to revist this. We talked in Montreal and at that time I =0D=

understood the equivalence to TCP for the case where a large MSS was =0D
supported by the path, as per RFC6928. I have since revisited this topic =
=0D
and would like to suggest the present IETF advice for TCP is in fact =0D
wrong for the large initial MSS case, and that this draft should not =0D
perputate that mistake for QUIC. The issue comes when IW is initialiased =
=0D
for a path with a very large PMTU, but that PMTU is not in fact =0D
supported by the path.=0D
=0D
- (i) I observe the TCP case where the path does actually support the =0D=

large PMTU, and a receiver advertises an appropiately large MSS. The =0D
path then uses the large MSS naturally and all is OK, but stands the =0D
risk of (ii) below, since the path might not be the same as a previous =0D=

case.=0D
=0D
- (ii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the =0D
receiver advertises a large MSS, but the sender does not have a large =0D=

MTU, the advertised large MSS changes the IW, and can vastly increase =0D=

the number of packets in the initial window. This was not intended. It =0D=

should not happen by default and can cause congestion and increase =0D
latency. This is wrong.=0D
=0D
- (iii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the =0D
receiver advertises a large MSS, the sender has a large MTU, but the =0D
path does not support this large PMTU. Sending with the large MSS causes =
=0D
packet loss (or possibly IP-Frag if that was allowed). This was not =0D
intended, and may well predjudice performance. Retransmission with a =0D
more appropiate PMTU does not change the IW, which then sends too many =0D=

segments/packets. For TCP it would probably have resulted in a RTO and =0D=

collapsing cwnd. This can cause congestion and increase latency. This is =
=0D
wrong.=0D
=0D
... So why was this was not seen as a real-life problem. I think the =0D
advice in RFC6928 should have considered the impact of PMTU failure, but =
=0D
I conclude it doesn't normally hurt TCP. At the time this was written, =0D=

few interfaces really did support more than a 1500B MTU (it may still be =
=0D
so), and MSS was often effectively limited by the server (sometimes by =0D=

config). For servers that did advertise a larger MSS, or where the path =0D=

supports less than 1500B, then MSS-clamping by routers along a path =0D
would often have triggered. Still, the sender would normally receiver =0D=

only a feasible advertised MSS.=0D
=0D
... QUIC is different :-). There is no middlebox intervention for MSS =0D=

clamping - therefore QUIC is unable to avoid (iii), and likely would be =0D=

impacted by (ii). I therefore suggest that QUIC chooses either to =0D
eliminate the /or twice the maximum datagram size./ clause, **or** =0D
provides a requirement that if this datagram size is not confirmed, then =
=0D
the IW needs to be limited to 14720 B.=0D
=0D
... Finally, I would expect QUIC to perform better if it were to set up =0D=

the connection, and then immediately probe for the larger size, since =0D=

DPLPMTUD is anyway needed to utliise a larger PMTU and avoid =0D
blackholing. However, I don't think we need to explain this in the ID.=0D=

=0D
---=0D
=0D
NiT:=0D
/ACK delay/ /Ack Delay/  and /ack delay/ are both used, it seems the =0D
/ACK/ is more consistent with other usage.=0D
=0D
NiT (Missing word):=0D
/and are expected to at least as useful in QUIC/and are expected to be =0D=

at least as useful in QUIC/=0D
=0D
REF:=0D
=0D
/When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting =0D=

in the PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff =0D=

factor is reset when an acknowledgement is received, except in the =0D
following case./=0D
- Please consider a reference to draft-ietf-tcpm-rto-consider-16, which =0D=

provides BCP on use of timers?=0D
=0D
The life of a connection that is experiencing consecutive PTOs is =0D
limited by the endpoint's idle timeout.=0D
- what does /life/ mean here?=0D
=0D
/send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes./=0D
- At what layer is the datagram size measured? Should this be a datagram =
=0D
with /payload 1200 bytes/?=0D
=0D
/Peers can also use coalesced packets to ensure that each datagram elicit=
s /=0D
- A cross reference would be valuable to the section on /coalesced packet=
s/=0D
=0D
/If the sender wants to elicit a faster acknowledgement on PTO, it can =0D=

skip a packet number to eliminate the ack delay./=0D
- Explain: this causes the sender to see an out of order packet, which =0D=

eliminates the ACK delay.=0D
=0D
/limited to the larger of 14720/=0D
- Please add the word /bytes/?=0D
=0D
/Endpoints MAY ignore the loss of Handshake, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT packets =0D=

that might have arrived before the peer had packet protection keys to =0D=

process those packets. Endpoints MUST NOT ignore the loss of packets =0D
that were sent after the earliest acknowledged packet in a given packet =0D=

number space./=0D
- Can you clarify what is intended by the word /ignore/? This is in a =0D=

section on CC, so I was hoping that the word ignore meant that the =0D
endpoint did not need to make a CC change, otherwise it MUST update the C=
C?=0D
=0D
/7.7. Probe Timeout=0D
Probe packets MUST NOT be blocked by the congestion controller. /=0D
- Can you clarify what is intended by the word /blocked/? I was assuming =
=0D
the transmission was not constrained by the congestion controller?=0D
- Would these packets consume flow credit, i.e. are they also not flow =0D=

controlled?=0D
=0D
7.8. Persistent Congestion=0D
- Could you add text explaining what happens? I think I understand, but =0D=

to be clear. If the persistent congestion persists, then I think the =0D
congestion is not further reduced, but I would expect the PTO to =0D
back-off the interval between packets exponentially, is that true? -=0D
=0D
Are  appendix A and B normative or informative?=0D
=0D
Section A.5.  On Sending a Packet; and section A.6.  On Receiving a =0D
Datagram. If the intention is to talk about datagrams in A.6, can A.5 =0D=

explain that packets are sent in datagrams?=0D
=0D
Sections A.8, A.9, A.10  seem to be sender functions. It would perhaps =0D=

avoid doubt to state this.=0D
=0D =0D

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----==_mimepart_5f331f9683161_41de16f81670dd-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 15:47:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AA33A0D83 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qszkfG_PV50B for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 373CA3A0D75 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B9F5E0EB3 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:47:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597186026; bh=ihTSuZZa0k6njrTfe2Jpx/+zpPEnoJZMWsHw785cyZ8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=e0XVHh3xtCjAn4PD1+W7k4sAWX2Yv+JbqYqM0MN3iWk+DLruD9xu9q2fZgH35s26K V7Udz+BUBd3ddeKkDGWa2gQxHdTC/I15DxuY2fEprLmjCU6d1N9IJKPPVguD32WAyg dey7tJWmvXP2XNbo9KD1WBQqLKmPc4RsP4HqMGss= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:47:06 -0700 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 065a6b: Version field <-> Version is not invariant Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:47:11 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/mbishop_wglc=0D Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts=0D Commit: 065a6bd49dc0ddc7a1fb6b7b8a2142834b0158af=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/065a6bd49dc0ddc7a1fb6b= 7b8a2142834b0158af=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-06-24 (Wed, 24 Jun 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Version field <-> Version is not invariant=0D =0D ...it's just a Version field.=0D =0D This is a subtle one, but it follows from the work that others have been=0D= doing on greasing versions or providing additions to echconfig for QUIC=0D= connection establishment. It basically says that Version is for=0D endpoints, not middleboxes.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a314a2fc473f776b55f0=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6b19c710bd1ea0df6553a3= 14a2fc473f776b55f0=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-01 (Wed, 01 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Version is for endpoints=0D =0D =0D Commit: f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2370d54f23b7f3b2d9a=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f873eb883eeaa3b9aabeb2= 370d54f23b7f3b2d9a=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Error for frames in the wrong packet=0D =0D Closes #3851.=0D =0D =0D Commit: d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c0961effc56bd7966b393=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1e84109bcf74cc2fb4c09= 61effc56bd7966b393=0D Author: Marten Seemann =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D change error to PROTOCOL_VIOLATION when receiving an invalid RCID frame= =0D =0D =0D Commit: 415ae7646ddd5d62810365215893bd9f4ebf55d8=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/415ae7646ddd5d62810365= 215893bd9f4ebf55d8=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Prohibit reading 1-RTT before handshake complete=0D =0D This was never explicit for the client as it is usually not possible.=0D =0D Closes #3855 in a way that perhaps was not anticipated.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 8d15c9b4a61a391541b7344166cb60f431bca1a0=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d15c9b4a61a391541b734= 4166cb60f431bca1a0=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-07-08 (Wed, 08 Jul 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D 3x amplification limit for CONNECTION_CLOSE=0D =0D We weren't very concrete in saying how endpoints generate packets with=0D= CONNECTION_CLOSE, particularly those that throw away keys. We have=0D a rather vague requirement.=0D =0D In short, follow the same rules we established for the handshake.=0D Wording this as an aggregate number allows for stochastic reactions and=0D= larger CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. This way, if you get a 25-byte packet=0D= and respond with a 200-byte packet, you can do that, but you have to=0D respond to 3 in 8 or fewer in that way.=0D =0D Note that this limit only applies if the endpoint throws away decryption=0D= keys. 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However, the data sent in these packets could be different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content. +A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the MAY SGTM -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3990#pullrequestreview-465480545 ----==_mimepart_5f3320e147995_6d0616f8523fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

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----==_mimepart_5f33211cac125_47c316f86611-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 15:56:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668AF3A0D8E for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8wSE7-TXht0T for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A4913A0D8C for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3691B840E81 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597186559; bh=CjjUroVxTPBVREhkIjYERUXvrY4+dgwr2bXaGn+pS1k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dNYVQr87u6tnmgD5AlauUwbf92XFF/gJBLVtM8MZlFgCv4QkgCYnCUoIPlUWDzqhm uQe71kc8eJHtllCd8EPQckSt9iRQQ7vafb5Ulvk0ii00oB4d6O60oRuIjRG8W0z+uP VmX2WRT0R9xUbNnCf4mT8CMo8CN8ohx+I7PoQ4w8= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:55:59 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow server to enforce post-Retry packet numbering (#3989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3321ff26dc4_1fc016f8123363"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:56:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3321ff26dc4_1fc016f8123363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that it is unlikely that servers detecting this behavior would help MITM attackers. My concern was mostly from a consistency standpoint regarding what we write down in spec. That said, I would not oppose to using a MAY here. It is already implied by the MUST NOT on the client-side, so to me it is an editorial change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3989#issuecomment-672337522 ----==_mimepart_5f3321ff26dc4_1fc016f8123363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree that it is unlikely that servers detecting this behavior would help MITM attackers. My concern was mostly from a consistency standpoint regarding what we write down in spec.

That said, I would not oppose to using a MAY here. It is already implied by the MUST NOT on the client-side, so to me it is an editorial change.

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3993 -- Commit Summary -- * MUST connection error -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3993.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3993.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3993 ----==_mimepart_5f33242d5275f_158e16f8229830 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #3991.

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:08:46 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3815975d373a2a1dcd9de0fe65e607bc96032dd7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3815975d373a2a1dcd9de0fe65e607bc96032dd7 Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-http.html M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html M http/h2_settings_reserved/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt M index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from d18fcbce. 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MUST respond with a connection error SGTM. Frames are hop-by-hop (compared to HTTP messages being end-to-end), therefore we can enforce this.

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----==_mimepart_5f332548edf36_245616f8799c0-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 16:10:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7993A0D89 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:10:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TA4K5cOMhvpP for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2200A3A0DAF for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1ac52d7.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1ac52d7.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628236000AB for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:10:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597187412; bh=N/MvGPHf9QPj3mYecjumUSkWBT8slSi8ZBrJWMD3GW8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=dcoRhSX0EbLcrgWihdViiGFHjeYihXGiPulxesj20d75UYRVs5CDtavMkpDxW0p1s WxNeQ54izqRjKhMhIlVfEEcQqOBfnXJHizv6mFG8g7lHoJWBR9oJ4MChBpQoq3aNG5 iMSN66/d1NXadVP0W3OXECwUUfvXXD5CCNQNmpz4= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:10:12 -0700 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 89ac29: Strike confusing paragraph Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:10:15 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/http/h2_settings_reserved=0D Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts=0D Commit: 89ac29735a54173093bcafa968f423aeeb45a6fc=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89ac29735a54173093bcaf= a968f423aeeb45a6fc=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2020-08-05 (Wed, 05 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Strike confusing paragraph=0D =0D This text could be read to imply that an off-path attacker is more=0D capable than an on-path attacker, which is rarely true. What it was=0D meant to point out was that it is easier to move traffic onto a path=0D that you are on. What it fails to acknowledge is that it is also easier=0D= to move traffic *off* a path that you are on.=0D =0D In other words, the treatment of this in 21.12 is more thorough and we=0D= don't need to talk about limitations.=0D =0D Mike suggested that there is some duplication between this attack and=0D the more comprehensive analysis in 21.12. That is true, but these serve=0D= different purposes. This is to describe attacks and the normative=0D requirements on endpoints necessary to avoid them. The other section is=0D= a thorough and hollistic analysis. I couldn't see any truly=0D straightforward changes. That doesn't mean that we won't find a way to=0D= clean this up, or that it would be undesirable to have fewer words, but=0D= I've not the time for that right now.=0D =0D Closes #3841.=0D =0D =0D Commit: 1373d195146a5a0d5ea911816ecb6d813b129545=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1373d195146a5a0d5ea911= 816ecb6d813b129545=0D Author: Bence B=C3=A9ky =0D Date: 2020-08-10 (Mon, 10 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Application can reset stream or close connection even if no error occur= s. (#3953)=0D =0D * Application can reset stream or close connection even if no error occur= s.=0D =0D The application may reset a stream, for example, when a browser tab is=0D= closed or when the pushed resource is found in cache. It might close=0D the connection when the application is closed. These are not errors per=0D= se, even though the term "stream error" and "connection error" is used=0D= for these events, and they have an associated "error code".=0D =0D * Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D =0D * Jana's suggestion to pluralize errors.=0D =0D * Jana's suggestion to pluralize even more=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar =0D =0D * Mike's wording of "indicate a problem"=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D =0D Co-authored-by: Bence B=C3=A9ky =0D Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop =0D Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar =0D =0D =0D Commit: b5cd992d874e880d803127f68704f63999efb53b=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b5cd992d874e880d803127= f68704f63999efb53b=0D Author: Jana Iyengar =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge pull request #3985 from quicwg/on-path-is-stronger=0D =0D Strike confusing paragraph=0D =0D =0D Commit: b9d2f19ff02163362a5c1cf1e4bd66544bf22f87=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b9d2f19ff02163362a5c1c= f1e4bd66544bf22f87=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Rearrange discussion of cancellation and rejection (#3926)=0D =0D * Rearrange discussion of cancellation and rejection=0D =0D * Bence's feedback=0D =0D * Break mega=0D =0D =0D Commit: f8b8804dfa1930b8022b7451d3e616f60ec377d3=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f8b8804dfa1930b8022b74= 51d3e616f60ec377d3=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Rework flow of Push ID (#3925)=0D =0D * Rework flow of Push ID=0D =0D * Feedback from Bence/Lucas=0D =0D * Apply suggestions from code review=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson =0D =0D * Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson =0D =0D * Not additional=0D =0D * Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Co-authored-by: ianswett =0D =0D * Rewrap=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson =0D Co-authored-by: ianswett =0D =0D =0D Commit: b1b5769211610986c16f97bb2201e06f694ef183=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1b5769211610986c16f97= bb2201e06f694ef183=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Editorial nits for HTTP (#3942)=0D =0D * HTTP WGLC review=0D =0D * Plural=0D =0D * Apply suggestions from code review=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson =0D =0D * Martin's suggestion=0D =0D Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson =0D =0D =0D Commit: a3e82f272c2eb28b04d08b9106a138d5ae02d0fc=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a3e82f272c2eb28b04d08b= 9106a138d5ae02d0fc=0D Author: Mike Bishop =0D Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-http.md=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http/h2_settings_rese= rved=0D =0D =0D Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d18fcbcede4e...a3e= 82f272c2e=0D From nobody Tue Aug 11 16:10:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326F13A0DAF for ; 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Thanks, @kazuho. This had shades of the tunneling discussion before, and I wasn't sure on which side of that fence you'd land.

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----==_mimepart_5f3326c5e48f8_518e16f815243c-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 16:22:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BBD3A0DEB for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:22:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6TXiibRIPssn for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D15C3A0DE8 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8C25C0E26 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:22:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597188128; bh=4ZN3uOZs4RyN1pDCOWOwWuJZHmlEX5tCHoiWQ/InDyQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hCwRk5sUraRsMbzWEnVXsCUtO9F8kHnLZJ6dzMDTmrw/wlZBwsW/pAqXQ0vCjg0E0 Nc3HzkyKas9SxLXYUq1aZEc7g8n34bOhXZYjZR2XYF1tI1aGVIuP92rWRJ089cFVvO QBhV3sCu9o+Tn3SIb9hUg+v8ziVddP6heq9ksz5c= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:22:08 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Spin bit is path-bound (#3984) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3328204fd10_536316f81529b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:22:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3328204fd10_536316f81529b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop approved this pull request. > -An endpoint resets its spin value to zero when sending the first packet of a -given connection with a new connection ID. This reduces the risk that transient -spin bit state can be used to link flows across connection migration or ID -change. +An endpoint resets the spin value for a network path to zero when sending the +first packet of a given connection with a new connection ID. This is fine for clients that use one CID for a period of time, then retires it and switches to another, then retires that and switches to another. For a client that uses one CID for a while, switches, switches back, etc. this will tend to correlate those CIDs. I think the wording we want here is "when changing the connection ID being used on that network path." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3984#pullrequestreview-465492118 ----==_mimepart_5f3328204fd10_536316f81529b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint resets its spin value to zero when sending the first packet of a
-given connection with a new connection ID. This reduces the risk that transient
-spin bit state can be used to link flows across connection migration or ID
-change.
+An endpoint resets the spin value for a network path to zero when sending the
+first packet of a given connection with a new connection ID.

This is fine for clients that use one CID for a period of time, then retires it and switches to another, then retires that and switches to another. For a client that uses one CID for a while, switches, switches back, etc. this will tend to correlate those CIDs.

I think the wording we want here is "when changing the connection ID being used on that network path."

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@MikeBishop Thank you for checking. As stated above, I think we can be strict regarding HTTP frames (especially the types), even though I tend to think that we need to be lax about HTTP messages (and how they are terminated).

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Commit: 1d16c413070758325fe6e40d33ab02da0548fc4e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d16c413070758325fe6e40d33ab02da0548fc4e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-05 (Wed, 05 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Sending PING will reset both idle timeouts Closes #3844. Commit: 5fa530168f5ee4040694bef74b62926d6ea57f43 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5fa530168f5ee4040694bef74b62926d6ea57f43 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split sentence Commit: 396f64ebdec2eb652392e557afcca66a726d7809 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/396f64ebdec2eb652392e557afcca66a726d7809 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Take two Commit: da6ebb55ca40db8d33be9218275a04a99536fd84 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da6ebb55ca40db8d33be9218275a04a99536fd84 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword restarting on ACK Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: 47f7f3e80e2c40cbd16dba93b78d447529b2eb8a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/47f7f3e80e2c40cbd16dba93b78d447529b2eb8a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3983 from quicwg/idle-timeout-corrections Two idle timeout corrections Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b1b576921161...47f7f3e80e2c From nobody Tue Aug 11 17:13:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7E83A0DDF for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mmAgXEkA0zaX for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63EC63A0D88 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66C5340DC1 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597191186; bh=kN//OG8/6gTLvp+pdvUclSzAl5HyU2ttzfSFQdPnJuM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w5h5K8oDkhp0E0SWkzq5mXuWAjfkzr6jpunQbObIMtoyTf/HJOCe6Y8crEdd7vf3Q jgtAb4E8zy6UApqvpVnEtt3idD/eemQ05yMPyIgs7iXqYEhI4RRmoxC0Pr7mMx5Gtx 0H/4PkeHn+MlF53k+D+5GJ8OHeIcn6EohBtifKgw= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:13:06 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Draining after Idle Timeout? 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This retains some of the extra details so that the change is limited to this change, but I made the empty frame description consistent throughout (with a little extra explanation for PADDING, which is first). Closes #3804. From nobody Tue Aug 11 17:27:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9C63A0DF6 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hp1LU7NW2IFX for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7C963A0DF1 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9B85C0026 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:27:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597192030; bh=dYrEhVSvPH/MtB86aXZn6P4S+PyCuGKOEG32s9O7YzQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SfkjMwxhrJLqHOy9Qvuv9TTXMQ891cAFKCENlk6ZIroRftDW3bC6+vNYuLRuVfpR0 NOoRhhvF/o71aRVlKUf7LtwgRTnTyOANH0nCzgZmEADgNKv/HjEkVBrOtaOGjHEnpb npfsnte1uBlOLJP1YlPVs9n9c8i7dpWULZ/jALBQ= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:27:10 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make frame format introductions consistent (#3994) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f33375e1c4a7_13ad16f81609d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:27:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f33375e1c4a7_13ad16f81609d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All references to figures that describe frame formats are changed to use the form: "X frames are formatted as shown in {{x}}." This retains some of the extra details so that the change is limited to this change, but I made the empty frame description consistent throughout (with a little extra explanation for PADDING, which is first). Closes #3804. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3994 -- Commit Summary -- * Make frame format introductions consistent -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (58) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3994.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3994.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3994 ----==_mimepart_5f33375e1c4a7_13ad16f81609d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

All references to figures that describe frame formats are changed to use
the form: "X frames are formatted as shown in {{x}}."

This retains some of the extra details so that the change is limited to
this change, but I made the empty frame description consistent
throughout (with a little extra explanation for PADDING, which is
first).

Closes #3804.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3994

Commit Summary

  • Make frame format introductions consistent

File Changes

Patch Links:

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 00:28:02 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5555eeeb7bd919f82f5b22d0b773fab1443caf80 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5555eeeb7bd919f82f5b22d0b773fab1443caf80 Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-http.html A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html A frame-format-intros/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt A frame-format-intros/index.html M index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from 1c99f22e. [ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 11 18:50:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F83A0E5A for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zGb7K7F7W9VT for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0231C3A0E5C for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA965C0E20 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597197001; bh=Ei1adOKlsgcoYnrkUkVGocdnkrlRB2PTO+dtefzMRzM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MAGYsXHTrvoQqRmh512tajd3Pa5wDxicgoNiYQlxPq4K+XBb0+sJWFshwmBWKlpBk NuSOJ4ayy+dgHE8SMrw8/1rTnT/8U0/eZf7vNLTImCiv9RFAO7gv7120Z1FJXdKDFX 8max3ccQyzzNrfHIJ9FcNmi4TQydRTxus0zgAznA= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 18:50:01 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gorry's issues on draft-recovery (#3992) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f334ac9bc733_32d816f8948b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:50:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f334ac9bc733_32d816f8948b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a design issue here regarding the initial congestion window that I would like to see split out into a new issue (which can be marked design). 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There is a design issue here regarding the initial congestion window that I would like to see split out into a new issue (which can be marked design). The rest appear to be things we can address with editorial changes.

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----==_mimepart_5f334ac9bc733_32d816f8948b5-- From nobody Tue Aug 11 23:29:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614363A1086 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.858 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.858 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, NUMERIC_HTTP_ADDR=1.242, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7HYTczlezu6s for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B332A3A1088 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D225C0E87 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:29:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597213757; bh=vBqX0NpiRMIMMb4QX2tB4Vi1YAOgvxKKzOLNT6ahAvs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a3jcWWhmBDF7h5SC5QH+jrT4dd4U62nwncZSi4XwdAPoFmiQPtCx9V8iaPM9hOabI k5yJP2GaVOg/dllhAXtMRQoEuBQFs+7z/Oq8cbwYwFkLNcukqVrAGCNwv8BLyT/5dI cup30xGB8HMxGNXZQ3B7d3Yy0/IaYACDaa5/OTEE= Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 23:29:17 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Request forgery attacks (#3995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f338c3dc0d5b_460c16f850599b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:29:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f338c3dc0d5b_460c16f850599b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable # What is server-side request forgery?=0D =0D Server-side request forgery (SSRF) is an attack technique where a malicio= us server takes advantage of a client that is in a privileged location of= the network to attack unprotected servers from the client location.=0D =0D This relies on there being a server that has no protections at all. This= server takes actions without authenticating the requester. That is, the= server assumes that because the request reached it, the request was auth= orized. These servers are often deployed with the assumption that access= to the network is tightly controlled and so rely on that access control = alone. Historically, these servers were very common in enterprise networ= ks, but that is no longer best practice. It is. however, still common to= find services deployed on loopback addresses that fail to properly authe= nticate requests.=0D =0D A simple example exploits bugs in URL parsing of clients to embed message= s. The attacker asks the client to navigate to `http://10.0.0.1=C2=A4\r\= nEXPLOIT BUG\r\n/`. The client connects to the IP address, ignoring the = junk, but includes all of the junk in the TLS Server Name Indication (SNI= ) field it sends. As a result, data that is controlled by the attacker i= s sent in the clear to the vulnerable server. For this style of attack, = the trick is finding a server that will read past the TLS junk that prece= des the instruction to find and execute the instruction. And don't laugh= , [it wasn't that hard to find servers that did this](https://www.adambar= th.com/papers/2011/huang-chen-barth-rescorla-jackson.pdf) (that paper des= cribes a form of SSRF as well, but the victim was a middlebox).=0D =0D With TLS (and presumably DTLS), is also possible to use [session IDs](htt= ps://github.com/jmdx/TLS-poison/) or session tickets to the same end, wit= hout relying on bugs in the client.=0D =0D SSRF often doesn't produce any feedback directly to the attacker, but it = can be used to establish control over the vulnerable host, which might le= ad to opening communication channels.=0D =0D # How QUIC enables SSRF=0D =0D >From the protocol side, the key enablers for SSRF are mechanisms that all= ow an endpoint to control the **destination address** and part of the **(= unencrypted) content of messages** sent by a peer. So what opportunities= are there for SSRF in QUIC?=0D =0D With some exceptions, QUIC offers few options for an adversary to send to= a destination address that does not understand QUIC. =0D =0D As far as controlling the content of messages goes, Initial protection us= ing the client-chosen Destination Connection ID is pretty effective, but = the same does not apply to other messages. The fact that this is an encr= ypted protocol doesn't help as much as you would like, thanks to use of X= OR-based stream ciphers. =0D =0D That means we need to examine the cases where destinations can be control= led, as those are where QUIC is most vulnerable.=0D =0D ## Controlling packet destination=0D =0D The destination for the very first Initial packets from a client is open = to server control. An attacker can, through control over the IP addresse= s returned by DNS or Alt-Svc, affect where connection attempts go.=0D =0D Once a connection is established, address validation is used to ensure th= at a target address is willing to communicate. However, address validati= on requires that some packets be sent to an address prior to validating i= t. As migration is currently only possible for a client, this means we n= eed to consider the potential for clients to mount this style of attack u= sing a server. This requires source address spoofing to fake a connectio= n migration.=0D =0D As servers are not permitted to initiate migration, preferred address is = the only way that a server can cause a client to send any other type of p= acket to an address that it does not control.=0D =0D For a completely new connection, we can assume that the victim doesn't su= pport QUIC and does not respond with valid QUIC messages. Therefore, it = is safe to assume that the client won't send any other type of message ot= her than Initial in cases other than when it migrates to a preferred addr= ess.=0D =0D ## Controlling content=0D =0D For content, the most obvious fields are the Destination Connection ID in= every packet and the Token field of Initial packets.=0D =0D Use of encryption for Initial messages and the randomized destination con= nection ID ensures that a server controls none of the message plaintext f= or Initial messages. This means that Initial messages are mostly safe. = The exception here is the Token field, which is server controlled.=0D =0D Encryption doesn't help a great deal. As the attacker has encryption key= s and we use ciphers that are effectively stream ciphers, an attacker has= a reasonable chance of predicting how encryption will transform a large = proportion of packets. An attacker that can control the content of frame= s and can predict the packet number that is used can therefore provide co= ntent that encrypts to ciphertext of its choosing. This relies on being = able to predict frame placement, but implementations are fairly consisten= t and so are expected to be somewhat predictable.=0D =0D Browsers in particular offer a number of ways for adversaries to control = client behavior. Similarly, servers often allow clients to create or alt= er content in ways that might be suited to this style of exploitation.=0D= =0D # Concrete attacks=0D =0D As altering content seems to be broadly feasible, our primary focus needs= to be on those cases where packets are sent to an address that has not b= een validated.=0D =0D This leaves three avenues to explore more: preferred address, address val= idation tokens in Initial packets, and spoofed migrations by a client.=0D= =0D ## Preferred address=0D =0D The preferred address is a pretty good SSRF enabler. The entire point is= to enable server specify an address, so controlling destination is trivi= al.=0D =0D For content, we only have short headers as a client cannot migrate prior = to confirming the handshake, after which we only use packets with short h= eaders.=0D =0D The effect is that a client will send a UDP datagram containing one uncon= trolled byte (this is in the range that includes all ASCII alphabet chara= cters) and then up to 20 attacker-controlled bytes to a destination of th= e attacker's choice. =0D =0D The remainder of the datagram cannot be directly controlled by the attack= er. However, the attacker has encryption keys and can probably predict t= he packet number. Therefore, if it can control the content of frames, it= has an opportunity to affect what appears in the encrypted datagram. Th= us we need to consider what might be included in this packet.=0D =0D If we look at probing frames, the packet likely contains PATH_CHALLENGE, = which is explicitly not controlled. Other likely candidates for inclusio= n in this packet are the other probing frames (PADDING, NEW_CONNECTION_ID= , and maybe PATH_RESPONSE), which offer an attacker limited options for c= ontrol, even if frame composition is attacker controlled. We can also as= sume here that the attacker is unable to effectively control the encoded = packet number, so it would have to work around those bytes.=0D =0D Frames that carry application data (STREAM or DATAGRAM) are definitely mo= re open to control. In some settings (browsers in particular) the conten= ts of these frames might be controlled by the attacker. Therefore, frame= s carrying application data offer the attacker the means of indirectly co= ntrolling large portions of plaintext. This only depends on being able t= o predict packet numbers and to know the likely placement of frames in th= e packet, both of which have to be regarded as easy. That said, if clien= ts refuse to migrate to a preferred address without first validating it, = this option will not be useful to an attacker.=0D =0D ## Initial tokens=0D =0D NEW_TOKEN provides a server with some ability to control both destination= and content. The attacker can alter DNS records or use Alt-Svc to selec= t a target.=0D =0D The server has less control over the Initial packet generally, but the to= ken is only limited in length by the size of the packets that carry it, s= o it provides a lot more space to play with than a connection ID. There = is a little more uncontrolled junk (at least 16 bytes) ahead of the token= than with preferred address. That junk is not likely to be a major barr= ier, especially with the extra space on offer. The TLS attacks mentioned= above deal with more than twice this amount of junk.=0D =0D Retry also provides an opportunity as the server selects the connection I= D and token. As the server is unable to change the IP address the client= uses after a Retry, Retry cannot be used to select a target.=0D =0D (As an aside for Retry, controlling the connection ID provides control ov= er the Initial encryption keys. In theory, this removes the defense offe= red by Initial protection as the server can choose connection IDs until e= ncryption produces the content it desires. As the client is required to = use the same CRYPTO frames, the attacker only has to iterate through valu= es until it gets what it wants. However, this control is limited to a sm= all number of bytes as the cost increases exponentially with the number o= f bits that the server wishes to control. Using the Token field is consi= derably easier.)=0D =0D ## Client spoofed migrations=0D =0D This case is the inverse of SSRF in that it is the client that performs t= he attack with the goal of using the privileged position of the server. = To mount the attack, the client needs to inject its payload into a connec= tion ID and then spoof its source address to match the intended target.=0D= =0D ## Observable effects=0D =0D All of these cases can be exploited without observable effect. Packets a= re sent as part of an existing connection that continues to operate norma= lly, or packets are sent as part of a connection establishment that is pe= rformed while another connection remains active (assuming that NEW_TOKEN = is used with Alt-Svc and not DNS targeting; DNS targeting could be more o= bvious). This means that the exploits have no natural pressures that for= ce them to be exposed. The victim might notice if the attacker has to tr= y many times to be successful or the endpoint that is mounting the attack= might notice unusual activity, but only if there are measures in place t= o look for an attack.=0D =0D Both preferred address and NEW_TOKEN do require that new connections be e= stablished, which might limit the rate at which an attacker can retry the= attack.=0D =0D Spoofing addresses is not limited in the same way. If the same connectio= n ID is used, then the attack is limited only by the rate at which the se= rver is willing to use the address (or addresses).=0D =0D # Do we care?=0D =0D Yes, we should care. Though it takes a horribly insecure configuration t= o be vulnerable to this sort of attack, that does not mean attacks won't = happen or that clients or the IETF won't be held responsible. See also t= he law of the internet: *blame attaches to the last thing that changed*.=0D= =0D Browsers are very careful in defending against this style of attack. COR= S is a horrible tax that every cross origin request pays for this. That = doesn't mean that only browsers need to worry about defenses.=0D =0D There are a lot of deployments that understand this attack well and have = deployed defenses for TCP. These likely include a suite of patterns that= can be used to identify and defend against known attacks. The risk with= QUIC is that these defenses are less mature or non-existent for UDP.=0D =0D This analysis assumes that removing any of these features that might be e= xploited this way is not desirable. It further assumes that adding new m= echanisms, particularly those that might degrade performance, is not tena= ble. These problems might be worth doing something about, but they are s= till largely the fault of servers that act on unauthenticated instruction= s. It should not be entirely up to QUIC to address these concerns.=0D =0D Anything that makes QUIC substantially worse to protect such servers is n= ot worth considering. For instance, control over cleartext could be achi= eved using [the masking technique employed by Web Sockets](https://tools.= ietf.org/html/rfc6455#section-5.3). Requiring additional round trips for= address validation might help narrow the options for attack. However, b= oth would likely adversely affect performance. That doesn't mean doing a= bsolutely nothing, as that would not be responsible.=0D =0D # What can we do?=0D =0D For NEW_TOKEN, we have a mitigation that seems pretty effective: don't se= nd the token. As the protocol does not depend on successful use of a tok= en, we can simply recommend that clients not include a token in Initial p= ackets when the server address changes. We might allow heuristics so tha= t tokens can be used when the server addresses stays within the same subn= et (of unspecified size) or same AS or something along those lines. That= should retain most of the value of the mechanism without dramatically in= creasing exposure. Even if heuristics are used, this would require that = the attacker be adjacent to the victim, which should be effective in blun= ting the attack.=0D =0D [BCP 38](https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38) seems like the best counterme= asure for attacks that use client address spoofing. Assuming that the at= tacker isn't in the same network, ingress filtering will easily prevent t= his attack. Aiming to prevent control over the cleartext of packets is d= ifficult and likely to be ineffective. =0D =0D Spoofing can be made to look like NAT rebinding. Insisting on address va= lidation prior to validating the address is an undesirable imposition tha= t will affect performance pretty badly relative to just making a new conn= ection. If we assume the use of ingress filtering where there are server= s that might be vulnerable, it should not be necessary to require address= validation.=0D =0D For spoofing, we could recommend that implementations not send toward an = address that has failed address validation for some period. This will li= mit the rate at which spoofing might be used.=0D =0D ## Preferred address mitigations=0D =0D Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a single crisp thing we can rec= ommend for preferred addresses.=0D =0D One possible option we have is to prohibit the use of preferred address t= o elevate privileges. That is, prevent a server from picking a preferred= address from a portion of the network that might have different protecti= ons. (Does anyone remember Microsoft's concept of Zones from Internet Ex= plorer days?) How we identify this elevation becomes challenging though,= and it is not always clear that an apparent "elevation" is truly illegit= imate.=0D =0D We might advise clients to avoid preferred addresses that go from an appa= rently public IP to a link-local or 1918 address, but that sort of restri= ction could affect real use cases in ways that we don't want. To give a = concrete example, an ISP might operate their network in a private address= range and use NAT for traffic that leaves the network. A server that is= hosted inside that network might be reachable using a public address (wh= ich might be unicast), but it could offer clients a more direct connectio= n using the preferred address mechanism that includes a private address.=0D= =0D Prohibiting use of loopback (127.0.01 or ::1) preferred addresses from no= n-loopback servers seems like it might be safe, but that too might preemp= tively exclude valid uses. I don't have any such use case right now, so = it seems like this is a reasonable recommendation. People who might even= tually discover a use case will need to deal with that recommendation.=0D= =0D You might consider sending a garbage long header packet prior to address = validation, but that doesn't really change the dynamics much. A long hea= der adds 5 more bytes ahead of the attacker-controlled connection ID. Th= at might make it marginally harder to exploit, but it's not enough of an = improvement to justify recommending it.=0D =0D We can prohibit the sending of non-probing frames to a preferred address = prior to address validation. That's a pretty big change, but I think tha= t it is reasonable given the attack. That reduces the amount of controll= ed cleartext to the connection ID, not the majority of the packet. Restr= icting to non-probing frames adds a performance hit if a client is forced= to migrate before acting on a preferred address, but that seems like a t= olerable loss.=0D =0D # Summary=0D =0D This seems like a lot. I've certainly written a lot of words. But I thi= nk that the attack is not that serious.=0D =0D The protections we might deploy for two of the three attacks aren't that = onerous, and we can do a little bit to mitigate risk for preferred addres= ses. The important thing here is to ensure that we document the risks. = This is one of those areas where building a protocol on top of UDP expose= s new operational risks.=0D =0D I'm proposing that we simply document the risks and add some small mitiga= tions provided that they don't cost much. I'll propose a PR with that pr= oposal.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3995= ----==_mimepart_5f338c3dc0d5b_460c16f850599b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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What is server-side request forgery?

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Server-side request forgery (SSRF) is an attack technique where a mali= cious server takes advantage of a client that is in a privileged location= of the network to attack unprotected servers from the client location.=0D

This relies on there being a server that has no protections at all. T= his server takes actions without authenticating the requester. That is, = the server assumes that because the request reached it, the request was a= uthorized. These servers are often deployed with the assumption that acc= ess to the network is tightly controlled and so rely on that access contr= ol alone. Historically, these servers were very common in enterprise net= works, but that is no longer best practice. It is. however, still common= to find services deployed on loopback addresses that fail to properly au= thenticate requests.

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A simple example exploits bugs in URL parsing of clients to embed mess= ages. The attacker asks the client to navigate to http://10.0.0.1=C2= =A4\r\nEXPLOIT BUG\r\n/. The client connects to the IP address, i= gnoring the junk, but includes all of the junk in the TLS Server Name Ind= ication (SNI) field it sends. As a result, data that is controlled by th= e attacker is sent in the clear to the vulnerable server. For this style= of attack, the trick is finding a server that will read past the TLS jun= k that precedes the instruction to find and execute the instruction. And= don't laugh, it wasn't that hard to find= servers that did this (that paper describes a form of SSRF as well, = but the victim was a middlebox).

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With TLS (and presumably DTLS), is also possible to use session IDs or session tickets to t= he same end, without relying on bugs in the client.

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SSRF often doesn't produce any feedback directly to the attacker, but = it can be used to establish control over the vulnerable host, which might= lead to opening communication channels.

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How QUIC enables SSRF

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From the protocol side, the key enablers for SSRF are mechanisms that = allow an endpoint to control the destination address and= part of the (unencrypted) content of messages sent by a= peer. So what opportunities are there for SSRF in QUIC?

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With some exceptions, QUIC offers few options for an adversary to send= to a destination address that does not understand QUIC.

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As far as controlling the content of messages goes, Initial protection= using the client-chosen Destination Connection ID is pretty effective, b= ut the same does not apply to other messages. The fact that this is an e= ncrypted protocol doesn't help as much as you would like, thanks to use o= f XOR-based stream ciphers.

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That means we need to examine the cases where destinations can be cont= rolled, as those are where QUIC is most vulnerable.

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Controlling packet destination

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The destination for the very first Initial packets from a client is op= en to server control. An attacker can, through control over the IP addre= sses returned by DNS or Alt-Svc, affect where connection attempts go.

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Once a connection is established, address validation is used to ensure= that a target address is willing to communicate. However, address valid= ation requires that some packets be sent to an address prior to validatin= g it. As migration is currently only possible for a client, this means w= e need to consider the potential for clients to mount this style of attac= k using a server. This requires source address spoofing to fake a connec= tion migration.

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As servers are not permitted to initiate migration, preferred address = is the only way that a server can cause a client to send any other type o= f packet to an address that it does not control.

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For a completely new connection, we can assume that the victim doesn't= support QUIC and does not respond with valid QUIC messages. Therefore, = it is safe to assume that the client won't send any other type of message= other than Initial in cases other than when it migrates to a preferred a= ddress.

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Controlling content

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For content, the most obvious fields are the Destination Connection ID= in every packet and the Token field of Initial packets.

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Use of encryption for Initial messages and the randomized destination = connection ID ensures that a server controls none of the message plaintex= t for Initial messages. This means that Initial messages are mostly safe= . The exception here is the Token field, which is server controlled.

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Encryption doesn't help a great deal. As the attacker has encryption = keys and we use ciphers that are effectively stream ciphers, an attacker = has a reasonable chance of predicting how encryption will transform a lar= ge proportion of packets. An attacker that can control the content of fr= ames and can predict the packet number that is used can therefore provide= content that encrypts to ciphertext of its choosing. This relies on bei= ng able to predict frame placement, but implementations are fairly consis= tent and so are expected to be somewhat predictable.

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Browsers in particular offer a number of ways for adversaries to contr= ol client behavior. Similarly, servers often allow clients to create or = alter content in ways that might be suited to this style of exploitation.=

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Concrete attacks

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As altering content seems to be broadly feasible, our primary focus ne= eds to be on those cases where packets are sent to an address that has no= t been validated.

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This leaves three avenues to explore more: preferred address, address = validation tokens in Initial packets, and spoofed migrations by a client.=

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Preferred address

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The preferred address is a pretty good SSRF enabler. The entire point= is to enable server specify an address, so controlling destination is tr= ivial.

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For content, we only have short headers as a client cannot migrate pri= or to confirming the handshake, after which we only use packets with shor= t headers.

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The effect is that a client will send a UDP datagram containing one un= controlled byte (this is in the range that includes all ASCII alphabet ch= aracters) and then up to 20 attacker-controlled bytes to a destination of= the attacker's choice.

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The remainder of the datagram cannot be directly controlled by the att= acker. However, the attacker has encryption keys and can probably predic= t the packet number. Therefore, if it can control the content of frames,= it has an opportunity to affect what appears in the encrypted datagram. = Thus we need to consider what might be included in this packet.

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If we look at probing frames, the packet likely contains PATH_CHALLENG= E, which is explicitly not controlled. Other likely candidates for inclu= sion in this packet are the other probing frames (PADDING, NEW_CONNECTION= _ID, and maybe PATH_RESPONSE), which offer an attacker limited options fo= r control, even if frame composition is attacker controlled. We can also= assume here that the attacker is unable to effectively control the encod= ed packet number, so it would have to work around those bytes.

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Frames that carry application data (STREAM or DATAGRAM) are definitely= more open to control. In some settings (browsers in particular) the con= tents of these frames might be controlled by the attacker. Therefore, fr= ames carrying application data offer the attacker the means of indirectly= controlling large portions of plaintext. This only depends on being abl= e to predict packet numbers and to know the likely placement of frames in= the packet, both of which have to be regarded as easy. That said, if cl= ients refuse to migrate to a preferred address without first validating i= t, this option will not be useful to an attacker.

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Initial tokens

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NEW_TOKEN provides a server with some ability to control both destinat= ion and content. The attacker can alter DNS records or use Alt-Svc to se= lect a target.

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The server has less control over the Initial packet generally, but the= token is only limited in length by the size of the packets that carry it= , so it provides a lot more space to play with than a connection ID. The= re is a little more uncontrolled junk (at least 16 bytes) ahead of the to= ken than with preferred address. That junk is not likely to be a major b= arrier, especially with the extra space on offer. The TLS attacks mentio= ned above deal with more than twice this amount of junk.

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Retry also provides an opportunity as the server selects the connectio= n ID and token. As the server is unable to change the IP address the cli= ent uses after a Retry, Retry cannot be used to select a target.

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(As an aside for Retry, controlling the connection ID provides control= over the Initial encryption keys. In theory, this removes the defense o= ffered by Initial protection as the server can choose connection IDs unti= l encryption produces the content it desires. As the client is required = to use the same CRYPTO frames, the attacker only has to iterate through v= alues until it gets what it wants. However, this control is limited to a= small number of bytes as the cost increases exponentially with the numbe= r of bits that the server wishes to control. Using the Token field is co= nsiderably easier.)

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Client spoofed migrations

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This case is the inverse of SSRF in that it is the client that perform= s the attack with the goal of using the privileged position of the server= . To mount the attack, the client needs to inject its payload into a con= nection ID and then spoof its source address to match the intended target= .

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Observable effects

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All of these cases can be exploited without observable effect. Packet= s are sent as part of an existing connection that continues to operate no= rmally, or packets are sent as part of a connection establishment that is= performed while another connection remains active (assuming that NEW_TOK= EN is used with Alt-Svc and not DNS targeting; DNS targeting could be mor= e obvious). This means that the exploits have no natural pressures that = force them to be exposed. The victim might notice if the attacker has to= try many times to be successful or the endpoint that is mounting the att= ack might notice unusual activity, but only if there are measures in plac= e to look for an attack.

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Both preferred address and NEW_TOKEN do require that new connections b= e established, which might limit the rate at which an attacker can retry = the attack.

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Spoofing addresses is not limited in the same way. If the same connec= tion ID is used, then the attack is limited only by the rate at which the= server is willing to use the address (or addresses).

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Do we care?

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Yes, we should care. Though it takes a horribly insecure configuratio= n to be vulnerable to this sort of attack, that does not mean attacks won= 't happen or that clients or the IETF won't be held responsible. See als= o the law of the internet: blame attaches to the last thing that chan= ged.

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Browsers are very careful in defending against this style of attack. = CORS is a horrible tax that every cross origin request pays for this. Th= at doesn't mean that only browsers need to worry about defenses.

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There are a lot of deployments that understand this attack well and ha= ve deployed defenses for TCP. These likely include a suite of patterns t= hat can be used to identify and defend against known attacks. The risk w= ith QUIC is that these defenses are less mature or non-existent for UDP.<= /p>=0D

This analysis assumes that removing any of these features that might b= e exploited this way is not desirable. It further assumes that adding ne= w mechanisms, particularly those that might degrade performance, is not t= enable. These problems might be worth doing something about, but they ar= e still largely the fault of servers that act on unauthenticated instruct= ions. It should not be entirely up to QUIC to address these concerns.=0D

Anything that makes QUIC substantially worse to protect such servers i= s not worth considering. For instance, control over cleartext could be a= chieved using the masking technique employed by Web Sockets. Req= uiring additional round trips for address validation might help narrow th= e options for attack. However, both would likely adversely affect perfor= mance. That doesn't mean doing absolutely nothing, as that would not be = responsible.

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What can we do?

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For NEW_TOKEN, we have a mitigation that seems pretty effective: don't= send the token. As the protocol does not depend on successful use of a = token, we can simply recommend that clients not include a token in Initia= l packets when the server address changes. We might allow heuristics so = that tokens can be used when the server addresses stays within the same s= ubnet (of unspecified size) or same AS or something along those lines. T= hat should retain most of the value of the mechanism without dramatically= increasing exposure. Even if heuristics are used, this would require th= at the attacker be adjacent to the victim, which should be effective in b= lunting the attack.

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BCP 38<= /a> seems like the best countermeasure for attacks that use client addres= s spoofing. Assuming that the attacker isn't in the same network, ingres= s filtering will easily prevent this attack. Aiming to prevent control o= ver the cleartext of packets is difficult and likely to be ineffective.=0D

Spoofing can be made to look like NAT rebinding. Insisting on address= validation prior to validating the address is an undesirable imposition = that will affect performance pretty badly relative to just making a new c= onnection. If we assume the use of ingress filtering where there are ser= vers that might be vulnerable, it should not be necessary to require addr= ess validation.

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For spoofing, we could recommend that implementations not send toward = an address that has failed address validation for some period. This will= limit the rate at which spoofing might be used.

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Preferred address mitigations

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Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a single crisp thing we can = recommend for preferred addresses.

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One possible option we have is to prohibit the use of preferred addres= s to elevate privileges. That is, prevent a server from picking a prefer= red address from a portion of the network that might have different prote= ctions. (Does anyone remember Microsoft's concept of Zones from Internet= Explorer days?) How we identify this elevation becomes challenging thou= gh, and it is not always clear that an apparent "elevation" is truly ille= gitimate.

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We might advise clients to avoid preferred addresses that go from an a= pparently public IP to a link-local or 1918 address, but that sort of res= triction could affect real use cases in ways that we don't want. To give= a concrete example, an ISP might operate their network in a private addr= ess range and use NAT for traffic that leaves the network. A server that= is hosted inside that network might be reachable using a public address = (which might be unicast), but it could offer clients a more direct connec= tion using the preferred address mechanism that includes a private addres= s.

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Prohibiting use of loopback (127.0.01 or ::1) preferred addresses from= non-loopback servers seems like it might be safe, but that too might pre= emptively exclude valid uses. I don't have any such use case right now, = so it seems like this is a reasonable recommendation. People who might e= ventually discover a use case will need to deal with that recommendation.=

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You might consider sending a garbage long header packet prior to addre= ss validation, but that doesn't really change the dynamics much. A long = header adds 5 more bytes ahead of the attacker-controlled connection ID. = That might make it marginally harder to exploit, but it's not enough of = an improvement to justify recommending it.

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We can prohibit the sending of non-probing frames to a preferred addre= ss prior to address validation. That's a pretty big change, but I think = that it is reasonable given the attack. That reduces the amount of contr= olled cleartext to the connection ID, not the majority of the packet. Re= stricting to non-probing frames adds a performance hit if a client is for= ced to migrate before acting on a preferred address, but that seems like = a tolerable loss.

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Summary

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This seems like a lot. I've certainly written a lot of words. But I = think that the attack is not that serious.

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The protections we might deploy for two of the three attacks aren't th= at onerous, and we can do a little bit to mitigate risk for preferred add= resses. The important thing here is to ensure that we document the risks= . This is one of those areas where building a protocol on top of UDP exp= oses new operational risks.

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I'm proposing that we simply document the risks and add some small mit= igations provided that they don't cost much. I'll propose a PR with that= proposal.

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Interesting.

In the issue you mention loopback but then goes on to use a local router address.
I was thinking loopback was on the clients machine.

It is often the case that documentation servers run on localhost to display content, and some applications may be written to either directly use a browser interface, or indirectly via electron to a local host.

These types of applications are generally not hardened and therefore comparatively easy to exploit. In the worst case, such application insists on running on port 80 or some other privileged port thereby having elevated permissions.

But, how does this new attack differ from a HTTP redirect from a random web server, where part of the url is designed til trigger a vulnerability?

I can see some level of same domain protection for HTTPS, but as far as I am aware, such protections to not apply to redirects.

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I would like to ask a question about quiche's congestion control algorithms.
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-An endpoint resets its spin value to zero when sending the first packet of a
-given connection with a new connection ID. This reduces the risk that transient
-spin bit state can be used to link flows across connection migration or ID
-change.
+An endpoint resets the spin value for a network path to zero when sending the
+first packet of a given connection with a new connection ID.

+1 to Mike

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This is a good improvement, but I disagree that it addresses #3804. That is specifically about the section headings, in which some are "X Frame" and others are "X Frames":

  1. Frame Types and Formats
    19.1. PADDING Frame
    19.2. PING Frame
    19.3. ACK Frames
    19.4. RESET_STREAM Frame
    19.5. STOP_SENDING Frame
    19.6. CRYPTO Frame
    19.7. NEW_TOKEN Frame
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----==_mimepart_5f340fe92fd8b_163f16f825252f-- From nobody Wed Aug 12 09:43:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A60F3A13C8 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y_RgztrafhW3 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47C2D3A13C1 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f1f7af9.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f1f7af9.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.111.13]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E15900023 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:43:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597250580; bh=KqIjuMMnNVri52jRixzyUilgdiQXyAHxKkx81gQGf0c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xy4ns1zuqMBIVhhsNb5qbYCQmVA4+blofG3QF3XtSXOt8F6BislyHfa4KeWC8t2bO LJ6sycjU71NMST8JqRqy0KkQgqTKT5/8K1OPlJCgINFteYCu1u/kbRH0aB0c4XZwJE OPuygInIYuHDGvxsLjSpWsLw+7atGHi5ODU1bfHw= Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:43:00 -0700 From: Junho Choi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Byte counting at Congestion avoidance (#3917) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f341c1427c38_26fb16f8370892"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: junhochoi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:43:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f341c1427c38_26fb16f8370892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would like to ask a question about quiche's congestion control algorithms. > Is there an algorithm that uses ECN marking to detect or control congestion? @Blandine11 If you have a quiche-specific question please open a new ticket on https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche/issues. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3917#issuecomment-672986483 ----==_mimepart_5f341c1427c38_26fb16f8370892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would like to ask a question about quiche's congestion control algorithms.
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@janaiyengar, sanity check please? I'll merge this soon either way.

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I had forgotten that bit. I made these plural and changed definitions from "the X frame" to "a[n] X frame". For the multi-valued types, we were also inconsistent with use of "or" vs. "and", so I changed that to match. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3994#issuecomment-673171607 ----==_mimepart_5f34865273a62_684816f8286a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My bad. I had forgotten that bit. I made these plural and changed definitions from "the X frame" to "a[n] X frame". For the multi-valued types, we were also inconsistent with use of "or" vs. "and", so I changed that to match.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

I am not sure if we want to adopt this PR (in current form).

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1094,7 +1094,9 @@ max_ack_delay:
 : The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay
   acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space. The
   actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers,
-  reordering, or lost ACK frames.
+  reordering, or lost ACK frames. max_ack_delay is initialized to 0 and
+  updated when transport parameters are exchanged. If a peer does not
+  specify max_ack_delay, it is set to 25ms.

As @martinthomson points out, this is a deviation from the definition of max_ack_delay in the transport draft, that says that the value defaults to 25ms and is updated when receiving the transport parameters from the peer.

We could have different definitions, but IMO it is unnecessary in this case, based on our agreement that persistent congestion is a connection-wide event and that it can be applied during the handshake.

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It's fairly hard to write this, particularly since the existing documentation is so sparse. Hopefully this is clear enough. I haven't had time to properly proof-read it, so it's probably not very good. But I thought I'd share what I got. This includes some basic countermeasures, but they aren't very good. I think that's OK, but we should discuss. Closes #3995. 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It's fairly hard to write this, particularly since the existing documentation is so sparse. Hopefully this is clear enough. I haven't had time to properly proof-read it, so it's probably not very good. But I thought I'd share what I got. This includes some basic countermeasures, but they aren't very good. I think that's OK, but we should discuss. Closes #3995. 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First cut at this, sorry about it being so long. It's fairly hard to
write this, particularly since the existing documentation is so sparse.
Hopefully this is clear enough. I haven't had time to properly
proof-read it, so it's probably not very good. But I thought I'd share
what I got.

This includes some basic countermeasures, but they aren't very good.
I think that's OK, but we should discuss.

Closes #3995.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3996

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  • Document request forgery

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I agree that NEW_TOKEN tokens and SPA are concerning. At the same time, I am not sure how much we have to worry about the encrypted payload being used as the attack vector. > Therefore, frames carrying application data offer the attacker the means of indirectly controlling large portions of plaintext. 1-RTT packet protection key that is being used for encrypting the frames is *not* controlled by the attacker. The key is derived from the input of both endpoints. I am not sure how practical it would be to assume that a rouge server can calculate what the corresponding plaintext would be for an encrypted text that it wants to use for the attack, when the encryption keys are not obtained until the handshake is performed. Regarding the amount of effort we should be spending to address this issue, I would point out that SSRF as we know today can induce a browser to send two types of TCP messages: 1) HTTP GET request (or preflight), 2) first flight of TLS over TCP. I think we can call close the issue if we can make certain that the QUIC packets that the browsers send is as controlled as either of the two patterns. Encrypted data meets the 2nd requirement. QUIC Initial packets are roughly as random and as binary as Client Hello of TLS over TCP. Encrypted part of QUIC packets are random and as binary as 0-RTT records of TLS over TCP. Therefore, I think what we need to discuss is limited to NEW_TOKEN tokens and the DCID of SPA. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3995#issuecomment-673325577 ----==_mimepart_5f34f2d0459cf_4a7f16f8137585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson Thank you for raising the issue.

I agree that NEW_TOKEN tokens and SPA are concerning. At the same time, I am not sure how much we have to worry about the encrypted payload being used as the attack vector.

Therefore, frames carrying application data offer the attacker the means of indirectly controlling large portions of plaintext.

1-RTT packet protection key that is being used for encrypting the frames is not controlled by the attacker. The key is derived from the input of both endpoints. I am not sure how practical it would be to assume that a rouge server can calculate what the corresponding plaintext would be for an encrypted text that it wants to use for the attack, when the encryption keys are not obtained until the handshake is performed.

Regarding the amount of effort we should be spending to address this issue, I would point out that SSRF as we know today can induce a browser to send two types of TCP messages: 1) HTTP GET request (or preflight), 2) first flight of TLS over TCP.

I think we can call close the issue if we can make certain that the QUIC packets that the browsers send is as controlled as either of the two patterns.

Encrypted data meets the 2nd requirement. QUIC Initial packets are roughly as random and as binary as Client Hello of TLS over TCP. Encrypted part of QUIC packets are random and as binary as 0-RTT records of TLS over TCP.

Therefore, I think what we need to discuss is limited to NEW_TOKEN tokens and the DCID of SPA.

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----==_mimepart_5f34f2d0459cf_4a7f16f8137585-- From nobody Thu Aug 13 01:05:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DF43A085A for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:05:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3VCqRlQquaU for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A45373A0854 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42BD90001F for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:05:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597305914; bh=rdqlnlFIuX1z4kqqVD5i2I3YtuALFfm8Swql0fNEga8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vViShLAAGTc+su3gKJ2/v6CF8+Mu1m6it489U0cOnGv2U427KRbaXeE4QZ84Gkti9 Gvwv5cSsa3NzZrdWT/gkYSB2uEcx3IULaYgvmKa0jnwevre0z5R6edOdUjO2EvaiOp gk3RhdTLB2SsB9UX+qdjseqNRqVsBWWjla/qUoAY= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 01:05:14 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Request forgery attacks (#3995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f34f43aa4c09_431e16f87787b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 08:05:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f34f43aa4c09_431e16f87787b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS. My bad, I think I missed the fact that we are using CTR mode for encryption. Yes, the server can control the bits that are sent by the client. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3995#issuecomment-673328505 ----==_mimepart_5f34f43aa4c09_431e16f87787b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PS. My bad, I think I missed the fact that we are using CTR mode for encryption. Yes, the server can control the bits that are sent by the client.

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Yes, loopback is same host. But local router addresses (the example was just an address from a private address range), are also potentially vulnerable. > It is often the case that documentation servers run on localhost to display content, and some applications may be written to either directly use a browser interface, or indirectly via electron, to a locally hosted server. Yes, but those servers rarely take instructions that have any real consequence, so they don't tend to be exploitable. That's not uniformly true of course. > These type of applications are generally not hardened and therefore comparatively easy to exploit. In the worst case, such applications insist on running on port 80 or some other privileged port, thereby having elevated permissions. Privileged ports can mean that the process serving that port is privileged, yes. But it doesn't have to mean that. Of course, if it is, then it can potentially do a lot of harm. > But, how does this new attack differ from a HTTP redirect from a random web server, where part of the url is designed til trigger a vulnerability? One thing with HTTP is that we don't really protect against this sort of thing very well. Mostly because the Internet and Web grew up together and people more or less assumed at first that this sort of thing was OK. So we generally allow attackers to make requests over HTTP. But it's only a subset of requests that are designated as "safe". Later, as we realized that some of the HTTP stuff was dangerous we added CORS. For those things we believe to be "dangerous", CORS effectively does the same thing that address validation does for QUIC: it checks whether the server is willing to accept a request using a "safe" check (an OPTIONS request which includes minimal attacker controlled content) before it makes any request with any of the "dangerous" content that might be controlled by an attacker. Of course, we would love not to have to do CORS. It's a horrible waste when most servers don't suffer from these problems to spend a whole round trip negotiating its use. The CSRF paper mentioned in the pull request is the one that basically started all of this. It's fairly accessible if you are interested in learning more. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In the issue you mention loopback but then goes on to use a local router address.
I was thinking loopback was on the clients machine.

Yes, loopback is same host. But local router addresses (the example was just an address from a private address range), are also potentially vulnerable.

It is often the case that documentation servers run on localhost to display content, and some applications may be written to either directly use a browser interface, or indirectly via electron, to a locally hosted server.

Yes, but those servers rarely take instructions that have any real consequence, so they don't tend to be exploitable. That's not uniformly true of course.

These type of applications are generally not hardened and therefore comparatively easy to exploit. In the worst case, such applications insist on running on port 80 or some other privileged port, thereby having elevated permissions.

Privileged ports can mean that the process serving that port is privileged, yes. But it doesn't have to mean that. Of course, if it is, then it can potentially do a lot of harm.

But, how does this new attack differ from a HTTP redirect from a random web server, where part of the url is designed til trigger a vulnerability?

One thing with HTTP is that we don't really protect against this sort of thing very well. Mostly because the Internet and Web grew up together and people more or less assumed at first that this sort of thing was OK. So we generally allow attackers to make requests over HTTP. But it's only a subset of requests that are designated as "safe".

Later, as we realized that some of the HTTP stuff was dangerous we added CORS. For those things we believe to be "dangerous", CORS effectively does the same thing that address validation does for QUIC: it checks whether the server is willing to accept a request using a "safe" check (an OPTIONS request which includes minimal attacker controlled content) before it makes any request with any of the "dangerous" content that might be controlled by an attacker.

Of course, we would love not to have to do CORS. It's a horrible waste when most servers don't suffer from these problems to spend a whole round trip negotiating its use.

The CSRF paper mentioned in the pull request is the one that basically started all of this. It's fairly accessible if you are interested in learning more.

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@martinthomson thanks for elaborating.
On local document servers: their parsers might not be hardened since it is" just local" and bad input, e.g. url > 512 characters might lead to a crash leading to arbitrary code execution. On privileged ports, yes, it is good praxis to not serve requests with privileged permissions.

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I think there are some errors (left comments), but this looks good. > +address validation; see {{address-validation}}. + +Outside of the encrypted portion of packets, QUIC offers an endpoint several +options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that a peer sends. The +Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over early bytes of every +packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial +packets offers a server control over other bytes of Initial packets; see +{{packet-initial}}. + +There are no measures in the protocol to prevent indirect control over the +encrypted portions of packets. it is necessary to assume that endpoints are +able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those +frames that convey application data, such as STREAM frames. Though this depends +to some degree on details of the application protocol, some control is possible +in many protocol usage contexts. As the attacker has access to packet +protection keys, they are able to predict how a peer will encrypt future ```suggestion protection keys, they are likely to be capable of predicting how a peer will encrypt future ``` While it is true that all the cipher-suites defined in the TLS drafts share this property, I do not think that is a prerequisite of AEAD ciphers in general? > +migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously +available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service +at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could +offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a +given range is not safe. + +Endpoints MAY choose to reduce the risk of request forgery by not including +values from NEW_TOKEN frames in Initial packets or by only sending non-probing ```suggestion values from NEW_TOKEN frames in Initial packets or by only sending probing ``` > +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this might +not constrain some attacks as it does not prevent an attacker from using the +Destination Connection ID field. + +Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of +servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However, +it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common +targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for +attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or that +match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints MAY +retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic without using +them. + +Note: + +: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient that ```suggestion : Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than ``` > +against attacks that use spoofing and originate from an external network. + + +### Generic Request Forgery Countermeasures {#forgery-generic} + +The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify +vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not always +possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps that QUIC +endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as, +depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitimate +uses. + +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or +migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or +migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously ```suggestion migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously ``` I'm not sure, but maybe this is the intent? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3996#pullrequestreview-466538355 ----==_mimepart_5f35300d2cfc8_381916f83900f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I think there are some errors (left comments), but this looks good.

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=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-protection keys, they are able to predict how=
 a peer will encrypt future=0D
+protection keys, they are likely to be capable of predicting how a peer =
will encrypt future=0D
=0D =0D

While it is true that all the cipher-suites defined in the TLS drafts = share this property, I do not think that is a prerequisite of AEAD cipher= s in general?

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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +migration to a non-loopback address if th=
e same service was previously=0D
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a se=
rvice=0D
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities c=
ould=0D
+offer an option to disable these protections.=0D
+=0D
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local addr=
ess=0D
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a gl=
obal,=0D
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt=
 at=0D
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely,=
 but=0D
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. En=
dpoints=0D
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge =
about=0D
+the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated address=
es in a=0D
+given range is not safe.=0D
+=0D
+Endpoints MAY choose to reduce the risk of request forgery by not includ=
ing=0D
+values from NEW_TOKEN frames in Initial packets or by only sending non-p=
robing=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-values from NEW_TOKEN frames in Initial packe=
ts or by only sending non-probing=0D
+values from NEW_TOKEN frames in Initial packets or by only sending probi=
ng=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +frames in packets prior to completing add=
ress validation. Note that this might=0D
+not constrain some attacks as it does not prevent an attacker from using=
 the=0D
+Destination Connection ID field.=0D
+=0D
+Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the locati=
on of=0D
+servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. Ho=
wever,=0D
+it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are c=
ommon=0D
+targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for=
=0D
+attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports =
or that=0D
+match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints M=
AY=0D
+retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic withou=
t using=0D
+them.=0D
+=0D
+Note:=0D
+=0D
+: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient that=0D=
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-: Modifying endpoints to apply these protecti=
ons is more efficient that=0D
+: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +against attacks that use spoofing and ori=
ginate from an external network.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Generic Request Forgery Countermeasures {#forgery-generic}=0D
+=0D
+The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify=0D=

+vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not a=
lways=0D
+possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps th=
at QUIC=0D
+endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as,=0D=

+depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitim=
ate=0D
+uses.=0D
+=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) of=
ten=0D
+lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or=
=0D
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections =
or=0D
+migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously=0D=
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-migration to a non-loopback address if the sa=
me service was previously=0D
+migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously=0D
=0D =0D

I'm not sure, but maybe this is the intent?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -Endpoints MUST count the number of received packets that fail authentication for
-each set of keys.  If the number of packets that fail authentication with the
-same key exceeds a limit that is specific to the AEAD in use, the endpoint MUST
-stop using those keys.  Endpoints MUST initiate a key update before reaching
-this limit.  If a key update is not possible, the endpoint MUST immediately
-close the connection.  Applying a limit reduces the probability that an attacker
-is able to successfully forge a packet; see {{AEBounds}} and {{ROBUST}}.
+Endpoints MUST count the number of encrypted packets for each set of keys. If
+the total number of encrypted packets with the same key exceeds the
+confidentiality limit for the selected AEAD, the endpoint MUST stop using those
+keys. Endpoints MUST initiate a key update before sending more protected packets
+than the confidentiality limit for the selected AEAD permits. If a key update
+is not possible or integrity limits are reached, the endpoint MUST stop using
+the connection and only send stateless resets in response receiving packets. It
+is RECOMMENDED that endpoints immediately close the connection with a connection
+error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION before reaching a state where key updates are

We can use AEAD_LIMIT_REACHED as Martin suggests below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION before reaching a state where key updates are
+not possible.
+
+For AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^25
+encrypted packets; see {{gcm-bounds}}. For AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the
+confidentiality limit is greater than the number of possible packets (2^62) and
+so can be disregarded. For AEAD_AES_128_CCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^23.5
+encrypted packets; see {{ccm-bounds}}. Applying a limit reduces the probability
+that an attacker can distinguish the AEAD in use from a random permutation; see
+{{AEBounds}}, {{ROBUST}}, and {{?GCM-MU=DOI.10.1145/3243734.3243816}}.
+
+In addition to counting packets sent, endpoints MUST count the number of
+received packets that fail authentication during the lifetime of a connection.
+If the total number of received packets that fail authentication within the
+connection, across all keys, exceeds the integrity limit for the selected AEAD,
+the endpoint MUST immediately close the connection and not process any more

AEAD_LIMIT_REACHED works for me!

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  • 950c6ae Add a new AEAD limits error code, and clearly differentiate between the usage limits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +is RECOMMENDED that endpoints immediately close the connection with a connection
+error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION before reaching a state where key updates are
+not possible.
+
+For AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^25
+encrypted packets; see {{gcm-bounds}}. For AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the
+confidentiality limit is greater than the number of possible packets (2^62) and
+so can be disregarded. For AEAD_AES_128_CCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^23.5
+encrypted packets; see {{ccm-bounds}}. Applying a limit reduces the probability
+that an attacker can distinguish the AEAD in use from a random permutation; see
+{{AEBounds}}, {{ROBUST}}, and {{?GCM-MU=DOI.10.1145/3243734.3243816}}.
+
+In addition to counting packets sent, endpoints MUST count the number of
+received packets that fail authentication during the lifetime of a connection.
+If the total number of received packets that fail authentication within the
+connection, across all keys, exceeds the integrity limit for the selected AEAD,

I took a stab at this. Please feel free to make suggestions or edits as you see fit!

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1094,7 +1094,9 @@ max_ack_delay:
 : The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay
   acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space. The
   actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers,
-  reordering, or lost ACK frames.
+  reordering, or lost ACK frames. max_ack_delay is initialized to 0 and
+  updated when transport parameters are exchanged. If a peer does not
+  specify max_ack_delay, it is set to 25ms.

Good point. How about a reference to the section max_ack_delay is discussed in transport instead of this change?

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify
+vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not always
+possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps that QUIC
+endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as,
+depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitimate
+uses.
+
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often
+lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or
+migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could
+offer an option to disable these protections.
+

That's nice, but in many scenarios any of the node addresses can be used to reach services local to the node, in the same way as loopback addresses. In server farm scenarios, this requires guessing the local IP of the specific server, but that can probably be done. Same for clients behind NAT.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1094,7 +1094,9 @@ max_ack_delay:
 : The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay
   acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space. The
   actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers,
-  reordering, or lost ACK frames.
+  reordering, or lost ACK frames. max_ack_delay is initialized to 0 and
+  updated when transport parameters are exchanged. If a peer does not
+  specify max_ack_delay, it is set to 25ms.

@ianswett That SGTM.

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@huitema commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or
+migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could
+offer an option to disable these protections.
+
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global,
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about
+the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a
+given range is not safe.
+

There is indeed a valid scenario for client and server discovering that they are behind the same NAT. Wasn't that scenario addressed in Web-RTC using a discovery protocol involving temporary names, in an attempt at privacy?

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I like the general text. I am worried that the response to these attacks may need to evolve over time as we understand them better. I was looking at ways to say that. No specific suggestion yet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Unlike other packets, packet protection provides good protection against
+control over the contents of Initial packets. The choice of an unpredictable
+Destination Connection ID by clients ensures that servers are unable to control
+any of the encryption portion of Initial packets.

Then I might concate the next paragraph to this and say

"However, the Token field is open to control and does allow a server to use clients to mount request forgery attacks."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

On the mailing list, I asked whether I should add "and the connection ID did not change" to the end of this sentence. Opinions?

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

I think not. Implementations that know they're likely to have a NAT rebinding (i.e. after quiescence) are advised to change the CID as well. That doesn't make it less a NAT rebinding.

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----==_mimepart_5f35654817a78_97e16f83684ec-- From nobody Thu Aug 13 09:09:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7C53A0E1A for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 423yLIuhfPe5 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A11263A0D2C for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD34560EDB for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:09:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597334978; bh=tIA7W1ntu05GQ/a8tGVjcfLuwFW9Mo6DX9d0as2Uog4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vLi/Ii/IsbYJmAE0OzTY9HLpAsuZW4HrN6lYp9dFNLzbM5xZqudFmR5jot52LUj3y 3+VT7SmGzdqGOYEuDDAWLwm3CzFE6qZn9eaQUwkmUInkzdMA86iJYmQVF1kc8umZyU 3LzKY+8OF4E35U3vTBWoxxJ0v+0ZS5lz9UgKLcXA= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:09:38 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3565c2db673_2ad416f84123e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:09:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3565c2db673_2ad416f84123e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because The point is that _if_ the CID changed, it was an active migration attempt, which indicates that the peer at least attempted to switch paths. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r470064350 ----==_mimepart_5f3565c2db673_2ad416f84123e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

The point is that if the CID changed, it was an active migration attempt, which indicates that the peer at least attempted to switch paths.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -499,9 +499,12 @@ handshake, new data is requested from TLS after providing received data.
 ### Encryption Level Changes
 
 As keys at a given encryption level become available to TLS, TLS indicates to
-QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available.  These
-events are not asynchronous; they always occur immediately after TLS is provided
-with new handshake bytes, or after TLS produces handshake bytes.
+QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available.  While
+generating these keys, an endpoint SHOULD buffer received packets marked as
+protected by the keys being generated, and process them once those keys become
+available.  If the keys are generated asynchronously, an endpoint MAY continue

I don't think this needs a recommendation. It's an optimization, and endpoints can do as they choose.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3685,14 +3691,18 @@ packet with the largest packet number is received and the time an acknowledgment
 is sent.  The endpoint encodes this acknowledgement delay in the ACK Delay field
 of an ACK frame; see {{frame-ack}}.  This allows the receiver of the ACK frame
 to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for getting a better
-estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed.  A packet might be
-held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed.  An
-endpoint MUST NOT include delays that it does not control when populating the
-ACK Delay field in an ACK frame.
-
-Since the acknowledgement delay is not used for Initial and Handshake
-packets, the ACK Delay field in acknowledgements for those packet types
-SHOULD be set to 0.
+estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed.
+
+A packet might be held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being

I'm leaving it there. I don't want to make any more editorial changes to existing text in this PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. For packets
-sent in the Application Data packet number space, a peer limits any delay in
-sending an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet to no greater than the
-value it advertised in the max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when
-a peer reports an acknowledgment delay that is greater than its max_ack_delay,
-the delay is attributed to reasons out of the peer's control, such as scheduler
-latency at the peer or loss of previous ACK frames.  Any delays beyond the
-peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered effectively part of path delay and
-incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate.
+for acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay
+field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+As the peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's
+max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), the
+endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake is confirmed (Section
+4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). Since these large acknowledgement delays, when they

If you remove the "large" qualifier, the sentence seems to suggest that ack delays are limited to the handshake. Leaving this out.

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----==_mimepart_5f3582a7e167b_689719641989dc-- From nobody Thu Aug 13 12:15:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1DD3A105B for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hRLXm5WMBvCV for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25BCC3A105A for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1FE340049 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597346096; bh=zlX2N9kcleHSXNl4+0FMzYOV6C0/hB26cugtc+jE4Eo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ldyf/HdV97B0YBi2Nxq8vIyeqSRB2Gfs6KLxA9ay8y9U6rcF1mnCg1mRgxkdiFo9i uonK7z2W6NZh+8W115hM/fw5bVcfRaXNhuPq+BtJQ3tGXmBwoT5nNkxeymWZbvNtoi Xq6smKlnDsUUBvPblTSIvo+IpIGFMoHTbvlAhV7g= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:56 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3591304bdd1_2ecb1964109067"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:14:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3591304bdd1_2ecb1964109067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > +endpoints. These actions are described on the assumption that potential targets +for request forgery attacks take no action to protect against these attacks. +While it would be ideal if target services implement better protections, such +as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goal of +this section is to describe what a QUIC implementation or deployment can do. + + +### Control Options for Endpoints + +QUIC offers some opportunities for endpoints to influence or control where +their peers send UDP datagrams. + +Control over the destination of UDP datagrams presents three options for +request forgery attack: + +* initial connection establishment ({{handshake}}), where a server is able to ```suggestion * initial connection establishment ({{handshake}}), where a DNS resolver is able to ``` The server itself has no such control; it's the DNS server that can be used to misdirect these packets. > +packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial +packets offers a server control over other bytes of Initial packets; see +{{packet-initial}}. + +There are no measures in the protocol to prevent indirect control over the +encrypted portions of packets. it is necessary to assume that endpoints are +able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those +frames that convey application data, such as STREAM frames. Though this depends +to some degree on details of the application protocol, some control is possible +in many protocol usage contexts. As the attacker has access to packet +protection keys, they are able to predict how a peer will encrypt future +packets. Successful control over datagram content then only requires that the +attacker be able to predict the packet number and placement of frames in +packets with some amount of reliability. + +Limiting control over datagram content is considered infeasible. The primary Eliminating it completely is infeasible. Limiting it certainly seems possible. As a simple precaution, an implementation might opt to break up large STREAM/CRYPTO frames and then randomize the order of frames while building the packet, distributing any padding to be added between frames instead of appending it. There's no requirement or even substantial performance impact if the stream bytes are out-of-order within the packet. > +sent prior to address validation. + + +### Request Forgery with Initial Packets + +Servers are assumed to be able to choose the IP address and port on which they +advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be +available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. + +Unlike other packets, packet protection provides good protection against +control over the contents of Initial packets. The choice of an unpredictable +Destination Connection ID by clients ensures that servers are unable to control +any of the encryption portion of Initial packets. ```suggestion any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. ``` > + +### Request Forgery with Initial Packets + +Servers are assumed to be able to choose the IP address and port on which they +advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be +available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. + +Unlike other packets, packet protection provides good protection against +control over the contents of Initial packets. The choice of an unpredictable +Destination Connection ID by clients ensures that servers are unable to control +any of the encryption portion of Initial packets. + +The only field in an Initial packets that is open to server control is the ```suggestion The only field in Initial packets that is open to server control is the ``` > +length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /56 in +IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is +successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connection was +made; see {{preferred-address}}. + +Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to change +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server address, +thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses + +Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then to migrate to after ```suggestion Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after ``` > +address validation; see {{address-validation}}. + +Outside of the encrypted portion of packets, QUIC offers an endpoint several +options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that a peer sends. The +Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over early bytes of every +packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial +packets offers a server control over other bytes of Initial packets; see +{{packet-initial}}. + +There are no measures in the protocol to prevent indirect control over the +encrypted portions of packets. it is necessary to assume that endpoints are +able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those +frames that convey application data, such as STREAM frames. Though this depends +to some degree on details of the application protocol, some control is possible +in many protocol usage contexts. As the attacker has access to packet +protection keys, they are able to predict how a peer will encrypt future I think that's true. An encryption algorithm that incorporated, say, an input salt would have unpredictable output even given predictable plaintext. Of course, that's probably equivalent to appending some random bytes to the input plaintext, then dropping those bytes following decryption. 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Bringing this to the issue as well, since it's not directly a comment on the text of the PR. It's perhaps a bit of a nuclear option, but if we're concerned about the peer being able to control the ciphertext by predicting the input plaintext, there seem to be some options for introducing entropy there:

  • Require the inclusion of a PATH_CHALLENGE frame (with its unpredictable data) in any packets we're concerned about; comparable to the PR's recommendation to send probing frames only until the path is validated.
  • Change our encryption model to append a certain amount of entropy before encrypting and drop those bytes after decrypting

Additionally, an implementation could deliberately break large CRYPTO/STREAM frames into smaller chunks and then randomize the order of frames within the packet. That's not a protocol change, but would make the packet ciphertext unpredictable even given an attacker who can predict what you will send in those frames.

I don't claim to have any specialty in cryptography, so I'd be happy (but also disappointed) to learn why those don't actually keep the attacker from potentially controlling the ciphertext.

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For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because ```suggestion unless the only change in the peer's address is its port number. Because ``` > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

Correctly predicting a NAT rebind isn't an "attempt" to switch paths. It's using the same path, but making a guess about what might have happened.

If you're not going to reset the congestion controller when the port changes without the peer realizing it, and you're not going to reset the congestion controller if the peer guesses they're about to get rebound but doesn't, then I don't think it makes sense to reset it if they guess and are right.

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We talked in Montreal and at that time I understood the equivalence to TCP for the case where a large MSS was supported by the path, as per RFC6928. I have since revisited this topic and would like to suggest the present IETF advice for TCP is in fact wrong for the large initial MSS case, and that this draft should not perputate that mistake for QUIC. The issue comes when IW is initialiased for a path with a very large PMTU, but that PMTU is not in fact supported by the path. - (i) I observe the TCP case where the path does actually support the large PMTU, and a receiver advertises an appropiately large MSS. The path then uses the large MSS naturally and all is OK, but stands the risk of (ii) below, since the path might not be the same as a previous case. - (ii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the receiver advertises a large MSS, but the sender does not have a large MTU, the advertised large MSS changes the IW, and can vastly increase the number of packets in the initial window. This was not intended. It should not happen by default and can cause congestion and increase latency. This is wrong. - (iii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the receiver advertises a large MSS, the sender has a large MTU, but the path does not support this large PMTU. Sending with the large MSS causes packet loss (or possibly IP-Frag if that was allowed). This was not intended, and may well predjudice performance. Retransmission with a more appropiate PMTU does not change the IW, which then sends too many segments/packets. For TCP it would probably have resulted in a RTO and collapsing cwnd. This can cause congestion and increase latency. This is wrong. ... So why was this was not seen as a real-life problem. I think the advice in RFC6928 should have considered the impact of PMTU failure, but I conclude it doesn't normally hurt TCP. At the time this was written, few interfaces really did support more than a 1500B MTU (it may still be so), and MSS was often effectively limited by the server (sometimes by config). For servers that did advertise a larger MSS, or where the path supports less than 1500B, then MSS-clamping by routers along a path would often have triggered. Still, the sender would normally receiver only a feasible advertised MSS. ... QUIC is different :-). There is no middlebox intervention for MSS clamping - therefore QUIC is unable to avoid (iii), and likely would be impacted by (ii). I therefore suggest that QUIC chooses either to eliminate the /or twice the maximum datagram size./ clause, **or** provides a requirement that if this datagram size is not confirmed, then the IW needs to be limited to 14720 B. ... Finally, I would expect QUIC to perform better if it were to set up the connection, and then immediately probe for the larger size, since DPLPMTUD is anyway needed to utliise a larger PMTU and avoid blackholing. However, I don't think we need to explain this in the ID. --- -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3997 ----==_mimepart_5f359a59df8c1_49ce196450345 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Broken off from Gorry's comments in #3992 per @martinthomson request

ISSUE:

/Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the
maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of
14720 or twice the maximum datagram size./

  • I would like to revist this. We talked in Montreal and at that time I
    understood the equivalence to TCP for the case where a large MSS was
    supported by the path, as per RFC6928. I have since revisited this topic
    and would like to suggest the present IETF advice for TCP is in fact
    wrong for the large initial MSS case, and that this draft should not
    perputate that mistake for QUIC. The issue comes when IW is initialiased
    for a path with a very large PMTU, but that PMTU is not in fact
    supported by the path.

  • (i) I observe the TCP case where the path does actually support the
    large PMTU, and a receiver advertises an appropiately large MSS. The
    path then uses the large MSS naturally and all is OK, but stands the
    risk of (ii) below, since the path might not be the same as a previous
    case.

  • (ii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the
    receiver advertises a large MSS, but the sender does not have a large
    MTU, the advertised large MSS changes the IW, and can vastly increase
    the number of packets in the initial window. This was not intended. It
    should not happen by default and can cause congestion and increase
    latency. This is wrong.

  • (iii) if the receiver interface supports a large MTU, and the the
    receiver advertises a large MSS, the sender has a large MTU, but the
    path does not support this large PMTU. Sending with the large MSS causes
    packet loss (or possibly IP-Frag if that was allowed). This was not
    intended, and may well predjudice performance. Retransmission with a
    more appropiate PMTU does not change the IW, which then sends too many
    segments/packets. For TCP it would probably have resulted in a RTO and
    collapsing cwnd. This can cause congestion and increase latency. This is
    wrong.

... So why was this was not seen as a real-life problem. I think the
advice in RFC6928 should have considered the impact of PMTU failure, but
I conclude it doesn't normally hurt TCP. At the time this was written,
few interfaces really did support more than a 1500B MTU (it may still be
so), and MSS was often effectively limited by the server (sometimes by
config). For servers that did advertise a larger MSS, or where the path
supports less than 1500B, then MSS-clamping by routers along a path
would often have triggered. Still, the sender would normally receiver
only a feasible advertised MSS.

... QUIC is different :-). There is no middlebox intervention for MSS
clamping - therefore QUIC is unable to avoid (iii), and likely would be
impacted by (ii). I therefore suggest that QUIC chooses either to
eliminate the /or twice the maximum datagram size./ clause, or
provides a requirement that if this datagram size is not confirmed, then
the IW needs to be limited to 14720 B.

... Finally, I would expect QUIC to perform better if it were to set up
the connection, and then immediately probe for the larger size, since
DPLPMTUD is anyway needed to utliise a larger PMTU and avoid
blackholing. However, I don't think we need to explain this in the ID.

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@martinthomson I moved the IW text into #3997, though I'm not sure I think it's worth revisiting.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

That's fair, but why would a peer change the CID for a NAT rebinding?

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Recovery says "QUIC begins every connection in slow start with the congestion window set to an initial value."

There's no mention of updating the initial congestion window, so at the beginning of the connection is currently the only time it's set.

QUIC advises setting do not fragment, and UDP typically gets dropped instead of fragmented in my experience even without the flag set, so I believe that simplifies the situation.

Given that, along the lines of (iii), I can imagine one potential issue is if the initial window is set to a large value based on some past information and then the MTU is decreased in order to allow the handshake to complete. Currently there's nothing saying that the IW should be re-calculated if the max packet size decreases during the handshake, and adding one would be along the lines of your second suggested option.

But I'm also fine with removing the twice max datagram size clause, but that seems like a larger departure from existing RFCs, which makes me hesitant.

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md#initial-and-minimum-congestion-window-initial-cwnd

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Fixes #3997 by specifying that IW should be updated if the max packet size decreases in order to complete the handshake.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Aug 13 13:49:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE7B3A03F6 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WI521GbBcjHH for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D69E3A03ED for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1AE3400AA for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597351787; bh=dJ1o6meP7r87V+85SgJzqeB0CsCYKFIinbbgFyH95QA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kr74cVR5VnBWF3qlC+iBrFfk594eLqfzD9O99cy5Z7hzYxBRz9dV51V2jGIEpIeKj Ngdiew9HAEpViMHnqM0JALthD6IpH0Di3Vy/iAIZoKAE1HL5W/Du8xCJvKuORtnOaf rbWWii5jDuUGy5tYyh3QfTs1WL/7H7Wecv4fa5CY= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 13:49:46 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f35a76aefc5f_35e719642775cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:49:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f35a76aefc5f_35e719642775cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because We encourage changing the CID and port to "force" a NAT rebinding if you've been idle (Section 9.5) in order to reduce linkability. In the same breath, we note that this might reset congestion controller state, so be careful about changing port too often. A conservative implementation of that guidance might change CID but not port, letting NAT rebindings happen if they happen. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

We encourage changing the CID and port to "force" a NAT rebinding if you've been idle (Section 9.5) in order to reduce linkability. In the same breath, we note that this might reset congestion controller state, so be careful about changing port too often. A conservative implementation of that guidance might change CID but not port, letting NAT rebindings happen if they happen.

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The endpoint encodes this acknowledgement delay in the ACK Delay field of an ACK frame; see {{frame-ack}}. This allows the receiver of the ACK frame to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for getting a better -estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed. A packet might be -held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed. An -endpoint MUST NOT include delays that it does not control when populating the -ACK Delay field in an ACK frame. - -Since the acknowledgement delay is not used for Initial and Handshake -packets, the ACK Delay field in acknowledgements for those packet types -SHOULD be set to 0. +estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed. + +A packet might be held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being Aside from "intentionally" being existing text, I would argue that we have to keep that word. As we have discussed elsewhere (e.g., #3970), any delay that is *not* intentionally introduced has to be accounted as path delay. As an example, [a delay caused by the timer waking up late](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874/#discussion_r466428681) should ideally be considered as part of the path delay (and hence be *not* included in the reported ack delay). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3874#discussion_r470357378 ----==_mimepart_5f35e4c030470_7aaf196412712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3685,14 +3691,18 @@ packet with the largest packet number is received and the time an acknowledgment
 is sent.  The endpoint encodes this acknowledgement delay in the ACK Delay field
 of an ACK frame; see {{frame-ack}}.  This allows the receiver of the ACK frame
 to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for getting a better
-estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed.  A packet might be
-held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed.  An
-endpoint MUST NOT include delays that it does not control when populating the
-ACK Delay field in an ACK frame.
-
-Since the acknowledgement delay is not used for Initial and Handshake
-packets, the ACK Delay field in acknowledgements for those packet types
-SHOULD be set to 0.
+estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed.
+
+A packet might be held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being

Aside from "intentionally" being existing text, I would argue that we have to keep that word. As we have discussed elsewhere (e.g., #3970), any delay that is not intentionally introduced has to be accounted as path delay. As an example, a delay caused by the timer waking up late should ideally be considered as part of the path delay (and hence be not included in the reported ack delay).

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This retains some of the extra details so that the change is limited to this change, but I made the empty frame description consistent throughout (with a little extra explanation for PADDING, which is first). Closes #3804. Commit: f5b4676f5b3b2fa10bbb80b4f6f52aa7fba1a286 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b4676f5b3b2fa10bbb80b4f6f52aa7fba1a286 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-13 (Thu, 13 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change the titles too Commit: 9259b971f1c7ccbdd097b52a145601cca5db243c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9259b971f1c7ccbdd097b52a145601cca5db243c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-14 (Fri, 14 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3994 from quicwg/frame-format-intros Make frame format introductions consistent Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/7352091313ea...9259b971f1c7 From nobody Thu Aug 13 18:25:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D563A0BE4 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:25:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Aug 13 18:39:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1057C3A0BE6 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4u_jk7dtlhDV for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06DAC3A0BE3 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F3600080 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597369176; bh=YSkBPLTjfEHVyTmEk7xs+qO+luHLBZqc5DDcWYd17Ks=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pt2etr2r5XvQRD4jSxnmrSWdQK931TFcpFqZNdbrKXBxQpvGn5peyy+6xzxrsGHfj A+LiCT+ngSTGZgNSbCHQgZ5d+MGpjL6bga6o+Eihvl1JZ2A5CSjAwt2DOm/fDsYGhW snd3uswJcCTqG/elVOakK5rE7wnHeyssWzhYwMbQ= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:39:36 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Request forgery attacks (#3995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f35eb5831e5b_28eb1964728bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 01:39:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f35eb5831e5b_28eb1964728bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adding PATH_CHALLENGE just adds a few unpredictable bytes, it doesn't really address the problem of control. For that, you need something like the masking in websockets. The problem with something like masking is that it adds a fixed overhead to packets because you need to tell the recipient what the unpredictable stuff was and the size is determined by the number of attempts you might allow (see below). Maybe that only applies to packets that are sent prior to address validation, so maybe you could repurpose one of the long header packet types (0-RTT?) to carry a masked payload in those cases, but it's a massive change. I don't even want to think about making that sort of change right now... The refragmenting idea is interesting. The analysis supports the view that it is unnecessary for CRYPTO. It might be too much work otherwise as well. Skipping a random offset for STREAM frames might work, but you have to work through all the ways that an adversary might try to game out whatever strategy you adopt. You need to ensure that the number of potential variations is at least the square of the number of attempts that an attacker might have (if you have 100 attempts, that's a minimum of 10,000 variations) or you hit the birthday bound and attacks become feasible in the aggregate. Getting variations that high isn't necessarily that easy. I'm not sure if it is worthwhile chasing that down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3995#issuecomment-673820730 ----==_mimepart_5f35eb5831e5b_28eb1964728bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Adding PATH_CHALLENGE just adds a few unpredictable bytes, it doesn't really address the problem of control. For that, you need something like the masking in websockets.

The problem with something like masking is that it adds a fixed overhead to packets because you need to tell the recipient what the unpredictable stuff was and the size is determined by the number of attempts you might allow (see below). Maybe that only applies to packets that are sent prior to address validation, so maybe you could repurpose one of the long header packet types (0-RTT?) to carry a masked payload in those cases, but it's a massive change. I don't even want to think about making that sort of change right now...

The refragmenting idea is interesting. The analysis supports the view that it is unnecessary for CRYPTO. It might be too much work otherwise as well. Skipping a random offset for STREAM frames might work, but you have to work through all the ways that an adversary might try to game out whatever strategy you adopt. You need to ensure that the number of potential variations is at least the square of the number of attempts that an attacker might have (if you have 100 attempts, that's a minimum of 10,000 variations) or you hit the birthday bound and attacks become feasible in the aggregate. Getting variations that high isn't necessarily that easy. I'm not sure if it is worthwhile chasing that down.

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Thanks :) I agree that it isn't worth re-opening, but we did sign on to at least discuss whether it is worth discussing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

So if we are forced to reset to the initial window after going idle, we can't reset the congestion controller and calculate an initial using the current path MTU? It seems to me like you might reasonably assume that an MTU is viable for longer than a congestion window.

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----==_mimepart_5f35ef39bcf54_75a719649568a-- From nobody Thu Aug 13 19:00:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47ED43A0BFF for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:00:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RbSFfFK5nKDH for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F050C3A0BF4 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF30840037 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597370402; bh=VgfjAkpBVFD7lazmxCHiMbBG4gbuUWjQftuHJAeZ8Sk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EgSD02I3edmz3bErMkp8nUL1K2QorJiETOVG5CD6FQDDMWO0bmWw/UDASxr8F0RMH uLJaok/UsDQXe9iwR/lWLU6s5RgV5aZ+CE8bT2YNZb2XSQYL+7U+bRssTiyPNePbDx kCKVrPr9X446ZXGHMIGC7TRNB2d0P6DWyqqGekBM= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:00:02 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC's Initial Congestion Window specification is incorrect (#3997) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f35f022877_1e62196419065"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 02:00:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f35f022877_1e62196419065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that - as a recommendation - this is fine. Like everything else we recommend in this draft, it is almost certainly not congruent with what implementations will do and that is OK. My suggestion is that those who want to look into this further do so and document their results in a draft that will be pursued independent of QUIC. At some point we have to say no to further refinement and that point has passed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3997#issuecomment-673841019 ----==_mimepart_5f35f022877_1e62196419065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that - as a recommendation - this is fine. Like everything else we recommend in this draft, it is almost certainly not congruent with what implementations will do and that is OK.

My suggestion is that those who want to look into this further do so and document their results in a draft that will be pursued independent of QUIC. At some point we have to say no to further refinement and that point has passed.

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----==_mimepart_5f35f022877_1e62196419065-- From nobody Thu Aug 13 19:58:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285A83A0C4C for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uDJ3s7BuVoKt for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BD83A0C49 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA8C340076 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597373880; bh=J83fiQkiY6Z8+v5gNuC5G43fsei7k5qDpi0ZJ8Lz9xU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y06Bb3Mi2QuMdgtt8QlnMa17bIhCdEd8ebALMmO+KTSMjz9hKYd8JN4jZ2OnIZDsx CIlPNI5tVL0o73UzNdn4HSy3ezPOIVhIuX82r2vg6kx7IwaywWvcAnakgcA6k9ksKE u2ZkiHHkiGeei+A6obYmoqnuefUWu1Pum1IAf0WA= Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:58:00 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Request forgery attacks (#3995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f35fdb8b9b0d_654319641398f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 02:58:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f35fdb8b9b0d_654319641398f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with what @martinthomson says. Among those two alternatives, masking (or re-encoding) might be a better solution. But as I stated on the mailing list, that does not need to happen now. We can wait and see if that's necessary, and if it turns out to be, define an extension for that purpose. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3995#issuecomment-673855484 ----==_mimepart_5f35fdb8b9b0d_654319641398f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I tend to agree with what @martinthomson says.

Among those two alternatives, masking (or re-encoding) might be a better solution. But as I stated on the mailing list, that does not need to happen now. We can wait and see if that's necessary, and if it turns out to be, define an extension for that purpose.

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@martinthomson pushed 3 commits.

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  • aaf51ff We assume this limitation, though it might not be necessarily true
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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Aug 14 00:01:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDE03A07F0 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 00:01:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwNp5H6N9pw1 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 00:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8382E3A0DAC for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 00:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0495C0201 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 00:01:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597388507; bh=f278VTH1E0qwjawlhmBOOl7Db/KjmRTlVPnXD0U/p/k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P3s2n1WIsDHsEkPF5j7hTt5DSjHhlvjoNJ9z/Q0mKP2WW9BJN/7hV0lDiBFZ/Ud1n ue8sN8Ogz/P75bYyeyKw7NHtcx+Mrh0d9qhfFxgo+D5RN5UO3jBpTUw1w1CDrr6Bvs GMiay4IZVpQTIMwrl8rHxk+scVmgJ7ghJd/+/yak= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 00:01:47 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3636db2e5f0_7775196447154"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:01:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3636db2e5f0_7775196447154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because This sounds like the address _includes_ the port number, which in my mental model it doesn't? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r470446059 ----==_mimepart_5f3636db2e5f0_7775196447154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

This sounds like the address includes the port number, which in my mental model it doesn't?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

I don't see how the text in Section 9.5 conflicts with the proposed change?

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QUIC seems to me to propose the first IETF CC that with a larger IW for datagrams,. If people in future do happen to use jumbo Ethernet frames, the case Ian describes is sufficiently gross that QUIC needs to suggest/require a remedy.

I think I'd be happy with either of Iain's 2 simple proposals.

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Gorry you wrote
"Retransmission with a
more appropiate PMTU does not change the IW, which then sends too many
segments/packets."

However, if you retransmit because you have experienced loss in the initial round, don't you anyway have to decrease your congestion window?

About this RFC6928 says:
"Furthermore, to limit any negative effect that a larger initial
window may have on links with limited bandwidth or buffer space,
implementations SHOULD fall back to RFC 3390 for the restart window
(RW) if any packet loss is detected during either the initial window
or a restart window, and more than 4 KB of data is sent."

So understanding would be that you are actually already supposed to kind or "reset" the initial window, no?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because
+port-only changes are commonly the result of NAT rebinding or other middlebox
+activity, the endpoint MAY instead retain its congestion control state and
+round-trip estimate in those cases instead of reverting to initial values.
+In cases where congestion control state
+retained from an old path is used on a new path with substantially different
+characteristics, a sender may transmit too aggressively until the congestion
+controller and the RTT estimator have adapted. Generally, implementations are
+advised to be cautious when using previous values on a new path.

This last sentence sounds like it generally good advise to reuse (just be cautious about it). I don't think that is a general good advise for all kind of value. For some it might be (with cautious) but in any case I would need more words that this in order to give any recommendation.

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----==_mimepart_5f36864abac3_71fc1964160414-- From nobody Fri Aug 14 05:41:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42893A10A8 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0jwrz0VlzXeD for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3C13A10A7 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DADBE0043 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597408900; bh=2eS133hRU+wyj/FfRZCpiUT2vl8sVSUWvcrFi9CfRZE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MhFWJtU8rTd2Rngumvc8ysrDrX16tiakPHZEcWPwE+ZG3N2M60qT0helcwjCJxfy4 T0zPk4X8Fg+EA8aO3twzVdmkWXZ2Q33YJBMx+ljOzar1CEBatOxB+tZijGfu5ouQDr lOQBFaai+SskC/enqmr8IDfHviOEmtQmc/L7CkZ4= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 05:41:40 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f368684c7de_71e619641016d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 12:41:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f368684c7de_71e619641016d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mirjak commented on this pull request. > -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because +port-only changes are commonly the result of NAT rebinding or other middlebox +activity, the endpoint MAY instead retain its congestion control state and +round-trip estimate in those cases instead of reverting to initial values. +In cases where congestion control state +retained from an old path is used on a new path with substantially different +characteristics, a sender may transmit too aggressively until the congestion +controller and the RTT estimator have adapted. Generally, implementations are +advised to be cautious when using previous values on a new path. Sorry I know this sentence was there in the old text but given we ware looking at this we should either remove this part of give more advise/pointers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r470599403 ----==_mimepart_5f368684c7de_71e619641016d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mirjak commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because
+port-only changes are commonly the result of NAT rebinding or other middlebox
+activity, the endpoint MAY instead retain its congestion control state and
+round-trip estimate in those cases instead of reverting to initial values.
+In cases where congestion control state
+retained from an old path is used on a new path with substantially different
+characteristics, a sender may transmit too aggressively until the congestion
+controller and the RTT estimator have adapted. Generally, implementations are
+advised to be cautious when using previous values on a new path.

Sorry I know this sentence was there in the old text but given we ware looking at this we should either remove this part of give more advise/pointers.

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@larseggert commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because
+port-only changes are commonly the result of NAT rebinding or other middlebox
+activity, the endpoint MAY instead retain its congestion control state and
+round-trip estimate in those cases instead of reverting to initial values.
+In cases where congestion control state
+retained from an old path is used on a new path with substantially different
+characteristics, a sender may transmit too aggressively until the congestion
+controller and the RTT estimator have adapted. Generally, implementations are
+advised to be cautious when using previous values on a new path.

I read that sentence completely differently, but maybe "implementations should be careful when using" is clearer?

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Ah, I missed that we're dealing with stream ciphers, so you can't rely on a few unpredictable bytes on the input to scramble the entire output. That does reduce the effectiveness of both ideas.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Aug 14 11:39:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FB83A1167 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HqzDAt6o4_Ks for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF1A3A0FCA for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4E6520F12 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597430353; bh=U82AbTFco3/RlzGnVq5tz17O6BNYsLpSGKsEVRPQK+o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fzSEIF2Z6bfiGd0KGjjinfzNxTdh58y8DRk+FmhTTu6UwENLKLiNJSnIUNbvxI/a1 BS0nNlRbncQ+MBSJmDjrBMJvufz1tcIb7JeorZ0KURt9lASw2H8Vh335jtZ5ej2z+7 A84Df3gyWRcczdJYcRN+gaIdM4yyqAW8LSo8YrE8= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:39:13 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f36da517ccd9_2dfb19645045fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:39:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f36da517ccd9_2dfb19645045fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because [Section 1.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-terms-and-definitions): > Address: > When used without qualification, the tuple of IP version, IP address, and UDP port number that represents one end of a network path. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

Section 1.2:

Address:
When used without qualification, the tuple of IP version, IP address, and UDP port number that represents one end of a network path.

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----==_mimepart_5f36da517ccd9_2dfb19645045fa-- From nobody Fri Aug 14 11:53:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD0D3A11E3 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:53:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7NXk2x-Gn_Wq for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498B73A11D6 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2827B5210C3 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:53:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597431188; bh=u/Wc6csI8SS8VdjggJTW6uyyNRgbSVjZeJENLmqjS/4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XyO++EzxMsOEsUc0bsyOoNLGvmonr0v7vIQv7GVH8zm2RiWLjUgwiA+Ozcgzv44oq kU4FnbOl1BCnGtZHdc11YSR+ToB0/JQ0YJsZ/lXCOj/OCSaLMm2UvU9WsQ5ikRrN+a X/i4PIwde1qCdCc5xx2g/yp6hkVqqAUFmwzV92ow= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:53:08 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC's Initial Congestion Window specification is incorrect (#3997) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f36dd9418727_4b491964376670"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:53:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f36dd9418727_4b491964376670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, I don't have a strong opinion on what to do here, and I'm personally fine with doing nothing as well, but I wrote up the PR that seems most inline with existing RFCs from my reading. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3997#issuecomment-674222224 ----==_mimepart_5f36dd9418727_4b491964376670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FWIW, I don't have a strong opinion on what to do here, and I'm personally fine with doing nothing as well, but I wrote up the PR that seems most inline with existing RFCs from my reading.

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----==_mimepart_5f36dd9418727_4b491964376670-- From nobody Fri Aug 14 11:57:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110A03A11EC for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FTlgkXpN9MWl for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FC813A11E6 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F48256005E for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597431446; bh=4ZBL3SfkB6y1MWzzDY6dnPXvs/UEc64C8L8auPassIM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=17/n7dJ4gq/7/9l2JN69GRWe+lnlxTSgUlE6M7Ordw5gAQpFvsM2XggpHW0Fr52o6 Mh7BTF39d8GbdRfoF1KnnTKqBkfdCrztTwgoaYTTER8O7F3skjuP3LY2Er0pqxyQYA QULSD9aPLymVvpTMjCSlLUsUDzQIrsW3GEfkRE4A= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:26 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f36de9680583_241e196488437b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:57:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f36de9680583_241e196488437b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because Right, but @janaiyengar's change makes it sound like the _port_ is _in_ the address. Maybe "unless the only change in the peer's endpoint is its port number"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r470812811 ----==_mimepart_5f36de9680583_241e196488437b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

Right, but @janaiyengar's change makes it sound like the port is in the address. Maybe "unless the only change in the peer's endpoint is its port number"?

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

I don't think "endpoint" would be wrong, but "address" per the definition in this document does include the port number.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

Whether an endpoint passively experiences or deliberately forces a NAT rebind is indistinguishable at the server side. Changing CID tells you nothing more than that they wanted to reduce their linkability if they got rebound. A change in CID doesn't imply a path change; a change in endpoint address is the only reliable guide on that.

We're saying that you SHOULD reset unless there's a change that's broader than the port, because a port-only change is very likely to be the same path. A CID change is even less likely to indicate a path change. Therefore, it should not be a cause for resetting the congestion controller.

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Can we merge this soon. I'm worried about it developing conflicts.

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----==_mimepart_5f36edbec5044_3ea219642226e4-- From nobody Fri Aug 14 13:08:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6BB3A0645 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xg3MaEVu0fZF for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A02D3A05DE for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5151E90260D for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:08:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597435689; bh=MQyQZjmQPCuYyFrXHSP/kQ+Y9uoSyXfZE/y7xCfKah4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pQyfNWPvdyRa8jGXlbPxCIqoihG16QJjmEoBf7hq2x56XGliHuAuPhJjjX4ugWO41 vN/4XIlxo16Z8BDzWyGh+bSRY09FBd0+sRy/Of2V6G9h1fD36V5pt8fokZnJRSbb/I PWDZJGAI5NZ9BINjKvAbtOXfbaEQOWGkuaf3ijsM= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:08:09 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Push and Cache Interaction (#3530) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f36ef29422c6_74b419649866e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:08:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f36ef29422c6_74b419649866e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @royfielding, have you had a chance to review the draft? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3530#issuecomment-674251702 ----==_mimepart_5f36ef29422c6_74b419649866e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@royfielding, have you had a chance to review the draft?

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#3573 changed Transport and HTTP to use a different presentation format. QPACK still uses the ASCII art version, which is consistent with HPACK. We should explore what it would look like with the new format as well.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Aug 14 15:16:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EBA3A03F4 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 15:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2kJCwRYsYP6y for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 15:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEACE3A03ED for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491DC6003DC for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 15:16:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597443379; bh=ndHswIEwptssJ7D5ewTq4mT8LqsjFk0K9P2x9IsNLdQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PvzmO9pjLeIFJ7B7I/M6k7C5zY6sgeLhj17VqH4HbpQAyfTKaeObiRuHwtDjCCvpv u20ILJ8qw1yMQsuWXOUk2tvxWStQf07eK68cTe3ymB653SXvPaKqSh031XpHo2144y +Ycu+s9Cd6AvrMcRVKAsNSgXW56FGJxtDA2kcSmI= Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 15:16:19 -0700 From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f370d33397d7_66011964543bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:16:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f370d33397d7_66011964543bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @igorlord commented on this pull request. > + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an +unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. + +Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks +that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value +when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received. + +Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server This MUST NOT is qualified by the subsequent text to a point of being unenforceable, especially due to "shared prefix of a sufficient length". Since it is up to implementations to choose what "sufficient" is, an implementation could deem "/0", to be "sufficient" and it would be valid. Since this is unenforceable, it probably warrants a "SHOULD NOT". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3996#pullrequestreview-467902038 ----==_mimepart_5f370d33397d7_66011964543bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@igorlord commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an
+unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to
+control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount
+request forgery attacks.
+
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.
+
+Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks
+that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value
+when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received.
+
+Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server

This MUST NOT is qualified by the subsequent text to a point of being unenforceable, especially due to "shared prefix of a sufficient length". Since it is up to implementations to choose what "sufficient" is, an implementation could deem "/0", to be "sufficient" and it would be valid. Since this is unenforceable, it probably warrants a "SHOULD NOT".

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@igorlord commented on this pull request.

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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +=0D
+The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify=0D=

+vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not a=
lways=0D
+possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps th=
at QUIC=0D
+endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as,=0D=

+depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitim=
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+uses.=0D
+=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) of=
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+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections =
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+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a se=
rvice=0D
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities c=
ould=0D
+offer an option to disable these protections.=0D
+=0D
=0D

@huitema This is certainly a way to mount an attack on services t= hat assume that they are serving friendly clients and the network perimet= er is secure. It happens, especially when services listen only on RFC191= 8/unique-local or link-local IPs. It happens even more often with servic= es only listen to loopback and, therefore, think they are immune to any t= hreats coming from outside of the host.

=0D

That's why I'd generalize this from "non-loopback -> loopback" to =E2= =80=9Cglobally routable IP space=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9CRFC1918/unique-l= ocal IP space=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9Clink-local=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9C= loopback=E2=80=9D.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

I agree with your second sentence, but I'm a bit confused about what you're asking.

The intent of the text to to say if you start with max datagram size X and drop down to X/2, because packets of size X aren't making it to the peer, then you should recalculate the initial window based on X/2.

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The case I'm concerned about is an ACK arrives with PN 10, then PN 9 arrives. I do not believe PN 9 should not be considered 'out-of-order' and trigger an immediate ACK. Recovery is designed with this case in mind, but when re-reading this text, I thought it was unclear. From nobody Sun Aug 16 12:46:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73AB3A10E2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jCAaezEa4Yk2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 668723A10E1 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C005E0EAA for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597607164; bh=H5/t4wrCG/pQTQmWAPkFMyUdQL+vIT0e+g7llLPrXI0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=et4J6cPTpUNaQDUgoqABTfhra+pF4rkmjEraKHeYh4w+oBMYmBSX57LLfv2KmJ10M 2EQaxhQ5r9Rtx030Hd33bIrjsEau+zyyVaz6p2Scy27HEFcIEenlsSL2yUfCrT9mQD kBcgrGl2eb7rDeADuVmejpvOTSg2c7GlfyM1HRoQ= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:46:04 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f398cfc88c04_3cf2196415324f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:46:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f398cfc88c04_3cf2196415324f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe this was the existing intent, so not filing an issue, people can feel free to disagree. The case I'm concerned about is an ACK arrives with PN 10, then PN 9 arrives. I do not believe PN 9 should not be considered 'out-of-order' and trigger an immediate ACK. Recovery is designed with this case in mind, but when re-reading this text, I thought it was unclear. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000 -- Commit Summary -- * Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000 ----==_mimepart_5f398cfc88c04_3cf2196415324f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe this was the existing intent, so not filing an issue, people can feel free to disagree.

The case I'm concerned about is an ACK arrives with PN 10, then PN 9 arrives. I do not believe PN 9 should not be considered 'out-of-order' and trigger an immediate ACK. Recovery is designed with this case in mind, but when re-reading this text, I thought it was unclear.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000

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----==_mimepart_5f398e0767e32_4b1319642039d5-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 12:51:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ED43A10E3 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aFppy24qJxpg for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 259173A10E2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66445340041 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:51:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597607510; bh=wg+3SsIfGRExfP72jVHThjCU3K11TmiHluEEdIcYb74=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Vy75qR6ncZTdruhP3Z3QhoovBwxKwqdiwAx6RNqXVyr+Slm8NcPxFe4exjMB++6uk tRlKMO7pEsMhfcVh8fAaF17Op1HyJxbb/I3Mq/zSkIHIq2BWAUIFvNORw8gSqwBV+H iSjuEf87SH4uNL6xq66J5dpYwy5nJQlDofSlwjHQ= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:51:50 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f398e56566cc_7bbb196478579"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:51:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f398e56566cc_7bbb196478579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, how would you recommend implementing this logic, assuming you already have the general logic? Keep a flag `LastPacketReceivedWasAckEliciting` and only trigger the immediate ACK if that is `true`? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000#issuecomment-674569854 ----==_mimepart_5f398e56566cc_7bbb196478579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Also, how would you recommend implementing this logic, assuming you already have the general logic? Keep a flag LastPacketReceivedWasAckEliciting and only trigger the immediate ACK if that is true?

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----==_mimepart_5f398e56566cc_7bbb196478579-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 12:53:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C483A10E3 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9vI8RIJMbKJM for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04C483A10E2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249DC560094 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:53:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597607632; bh=aw1kLifNPyjXQ7fTLvCD4uzuPqbey0uJRcOZcsEnW9k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YsUPz37BY2cHBrGexoiOrcFWBkh+H4zAtMZjpK96eVBlid9ZoXyaeUvx4CtKHu9Fo h+JjHBewGLAPAaw71+vIVe3u7CMWVdvPCRG87OnY2jLXQXmBl5uG214ETLefyxkSDo xzfIxbKPsUytxvLO6QvhtPSuA1B6k79qvy0QxmxE= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:53:52 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Offload should not delay ACKs (#4001) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f398ed014c93_11c419643518ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:53:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f398ed014c93_11c419643518ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The existing text mostly covers this, but I don't think it's always as clear as it could be. If one is doing various offloads(pacing/crypto/etc) and those cause the sender to decide to send a batch of packets at once, the sender should not have to wait until all those packets are released to send an ACK. The simple way to think about this is "ACK-only packets don't affect acknowledgement behavior", which matches with TCP and most of our existing text. I think this will end up being editorial and I believe the only clarification necessary is #4000 but I'd appreciate other peoples thoughts on whether this is something worth thinking about and whether there are any other changes necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4001 ----==_mimepart_5f398ed014c93_11c419643518ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The existing text mostly covers this, but I don't think it's always as clear as it could be.

If one is doing various offloads(pacing/crypto/etc) and those cause the sender to decide to send a batch of packets at once, the sender should not have to wait until all those packets are released to send an ACK.

The simple way to think about this is "ACK-only packets don't affect acknowledgement behavior", which matches with TCP and most of our existing text.

I think this will end up being editorial and I believe the only clarification necessary is #4000 but I'd appreciate other peoples thoughts on whether this is something worth thinking about and whether there are any other changes necessary.

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The code that sends ACK frames would track the largest received ack-eliciting packet to determine if packets are out of order, not the largest received packet.

This is similar to PTO, which is armed from the largest ack-eliciting packet, not the largest packet.

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----==_mimepart_5f398fee2933a_79781964101542a-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 13:00:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C799F3A10EF for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:00:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qpKgfH0Gtm3v for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D0793A10EB for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E869B560D6E for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:00:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597608009; bh=/+qu5SphjlYNTXhGaq27MqGJMFp7/Zn0q9vOjIvo+8c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GnC1SDMMBbUuhfw+BQeaSy+kTgpHt/AfTALbhWKM2pjpEsaP24cE1+35PN85k1a9K usJ47qKUulfzjxz/s0n25eZ9DSuYvjFYhGFjptsC/7Q2r/lh9dwFsTK9+VzFWNr8kP OwOEdtxuAiMQ5mWJsCTHMg7dNiwUba1NSdH/H8s0= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:00:09 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f399049d9123_317b196437156b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:00:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f399049d9123_317b196437156b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text is already very clear that if you receive an ACK-only packet out of order, you MUST NOT send an ACK. The goal if this PR is to clarify that ACK-only packets don't count when deciding when ack-eliciting packets are out-of-order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000#issuecomment-674570787 ----==_mimepart_5f399049d9123_317b196437156b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The text is already very clear that if you receive an ACK-only packet out of order, you MUST NOT send an ACK. The goal if this PR is to clarify that ACK-only packets don't count when deciding when ack-eliciting packets are out-of-order.

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I share the view that this has been the intent, and that it is editorial.

Loss recovery is an interaction between sender sending data vs. receiver sending acks. We might have two endpoints doing loss recovery at the same time, when both sides are sending data. But that should not affect how loss recovery works.

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I think we need to change section 1.2 too. There, we have a pretty clear definition of what out-of-order means, that does not align with what we want to say.

Out-of-order packet: a packet that does not increase the largest received packet number for its packet number space (Section 12.3) by exactly one. (section 1.2)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

So I'm concerned about other places we use the initial window. One is where you go idle and decide to reset the congestion window. Another is where you move to a new path. The former is interesting in this case because the MTU might carry across. The latter, less so.

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Commit: 9663dc9ab37d0ec82b45d542e461573ff06f0cbe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9663dc9ab37d0ec82b45d542e461573ff06f0cbe Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-03 (Mon, 03 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: f6ffebe16738c836b4bcaf174e2ca6776ab37072 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6ffebe16738c836b4bcaf174e2ca6776ab37072 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-10 (Mon, 10 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move a sentence up and tweak Based on @MikeBishop note Commit: 52c7327ab465fefd41d53c983e41419606bc9b9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52c7327ab465fefd41d53c983e41419606bc9b9c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3979 from quicwg/ianswett-ack-tracking-examplary Make the ack-tracking examplary Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9259b971f1c7...52c7327ab465 From nobody Sun Aug 16 18:44:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EBE3A12D3 for ; 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----==_mimepart_5f39e0f7c8c97_2cb196415787af-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 18:44:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037DB3A12D6 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZcMtkBhYE5IW for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011E73A12D3 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1B6E1D50 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:44:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597628664; bh=HRFBiEvt5N5TzpKAn+UjcbtF9eKkhIgCChpY0O9zqAE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OcxBPfHFuBho0Jcp6j6o2kX7rY/mjiot4slaqcan+zlfjTbMd/W9Zzi+2rttPtOif 6F4fEZ39JeZp6e/zOHtS0syNVSD2gN+mDVsQgEk0+GZuJuZf+t5IYZBASo4XyOyr4R R35gCToP/bMXq9x1erZ0qSNzQw9D6L4cSHcxBBFQ= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:44:24 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make the ack-tracking examplary (#3979) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f39e0f829588_27eb196431485b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 01:44:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f39e0f829588_27eb196431485b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #3979 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979#event-3659862201 ----==_mimepart_5f39e0f829588_27eb196431485b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Merged #3979 into master.

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----==_mimepart_5f39e0f829588_27eb196431485b-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 18:45:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D623A12DA for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:45:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uy7e8nnoubgt for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A4D63A12D3 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58260340CF4 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:45:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597628701; bh=3lvA03JGgnJ1YpFsILbxR76vAZAi7FASGtEgu6DWPAc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zIl3S4lcg0cHMRqfZNq7e/QGuvzIfd0wUM4PN6NwYfGHU7g+zOJHcdug9B/XqJfGp 0FK2yR4NJnQayIyCxgDA8fnZ9qMDxkRfSZuMjGRxcTnsIJ252bMzJLeGJqWADdZ82W ZhETvbPMFErUX9JCxR9yxW92LrD7JFPrerAJfA98= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:45:01 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make the ack-tracking examplary (#3979) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f39e11d48ffb_672e196458374a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 01:45:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f39e11d48ffb_672e196458374a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, @janaiyengar lost the chance to fix the PR. We are - of course - still open for editorial improvements in the form of new pull requests though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979#issuecomment-674614387 ----==_mimepart_5f39e11d48ffb_672e196458374a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yep, @janaiyengar lost the chance to fix the PR. We are - of course - still open for editorial improvements in the form of new pull requests though.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Aug 16 19:05:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824483A12DF for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:05:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RmC5-riiwfcu for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3FC53A12D9 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2E8520025 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:05:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597629908; bh=m9AHQY2W0wJT/U7dXSlROauHGzdXSpl0yX6lmjgxY6g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oHYEQPESCdAI4saijz4c3XnrDsyFss7lYliRno1Ci3VKCo/XfP8FC/sBzp7cPqW4K vOVYE91tJCpbGvFmf/2qtBfA0aqHFMuCEdCb78r1BVIcgLTAcRhXDKLWQR0atXHvVg 7KMeMI/9rOCZ7HxOrzV24k1G02GUlpDIDUpcHrP4= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:05:08 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f39e5d47db9c_495e19642799e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:05:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f39e5d47db9c_495e19642799e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Followup on my [review comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000#pullrequestreview-468121792), I think what we need to do is to clarify that the scope of out-of-order packets is limited to ack-eliciting packets. We can say that a out-order packet is defined as "a newly received ack-eliciting packet carrying a packet number that is either smaller than those of any previously-received ack-eliciting packets, or is more than one greater than any of those packets." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000#issuecomment-674618540 ----==_mimepart_5f39e5d47db9c_495e19642799e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Followup on my review comment, I think what we need to do is to clarify that the scope of out-of-order packets is limited to ack-eliciting packets.

We can say that a out-order packet is defined as "a newly received ack-eliciting packet carrying a packet number that is either smaller than those of any previously-received ack-eliciting packets, or is more than one greater than any of those packets."

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----==_mimepart_5f39e5d47db9c_495e19642799e6-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 20:35:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206843A0890 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:35:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.006 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.006 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iMxz0dACWEl8 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC80B3A086E for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B6467A0D70 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:35:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597635354; bh=WzjjAgaLKt6AF15BAiylTFxRF/7UNkxN5zboe4MIw4E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fTT1MgmEvCnpMc9jf1AKiVPVflxtW+9GPbkv8QTWbJeUIUvwbvms010y+VbAsDF/2 EOF0Ar1ADfPJb3zmebXg7WOu3D/QqrszY7ZHZF/s1ghums9rZsXJQJDFx50r5o7qau Q/GJlmTV8P5kkfr+x7nIjn3SxRcFEBZhX8AzOsmY= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:35:53 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f39fb19d8726_484e1964754014"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 03:35:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f39fb19d8726_484e1964754014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do you tell if the absent packets are ack-eliciting? I mean, most scenarios we use this definition are for the receiver, which can't know whether a missing packet is ack-eliciting. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000#issuecomment-674638169 ----==_mimepart_5f39fb19d8726_484e1964754014 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How do you tell if the absent packets are ack-eliciting? I mean, most scenarios we use this definition are for the receiver, which can't know whether a missing packet is ack-eliciting.

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@janaiyengar, you can add this to your review load.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a01a4b1ed_792919645305ec-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 21:09:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BCF3A08EC for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vBLqFXv_Q061 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73F1B3A08E5 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0D9E1E02 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:09:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597637356; bh=D333AXqLrOgtROgBkOZSoEKeLcBQGeW3Kn8MijEam4k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IrWy0SKwMisvHJnR+gZcFzEZ3iJlIgFah/JrtSRs/ypf7LoMsA+O6LkrvztPc4WTQ 0tMHdzN2fdV4lAE4tiTXWXIdoJepyPbjmCqZAvM/CSSTVoVb2lsIJl0F8s8k8H5Tc8 7iZwTGzoT4V9oZZE2r6kxNCUaaJclWW3WQ/QHaz4= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:09:16 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify simultaneous path validation (#3932) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a02ec8f91e_6ff2196415531"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 04:09:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a02ec8f91e_6ff2196415531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett, do you want to think about how you reached your conclusion here and see if there is something we can do to avoid that? It seems to me that the cost to a server is limited by how many paths it wants to probe, not how many the client probes, so the state is well managed. It's a little less neat if the client actively migrates multiple times. But I would say that the server can abandon probes to keep the number of active probes down to at most 2 (one for the most recent *validated* path, one for the most recent *active* path). Is that something we need to explain more thoroughly? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3932#issuecomment-674644455 ----==_mimepart_5f3a02ec8f91e_6ff2196415531 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett, do you want to think about how you reached your conclusion here and see if there is something we can do to avoid that? It seems to me that the cost to a server is limited by how many paths it wants to probe, not how many the client probes, so the state is well managed.

It's a little less neat if the client actively migrates multiple times. But I would say that the server can abandon probes to keep the number of active probes down to at most 2 (one for the most recent validated path, one for the most recent active path). Is that something we need to explain more thoroughly?

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----==_mimepart_5f3a02ec8f91e_6ff2196415531-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 21:13:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF453A08FC for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idENjNpOhatL for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30C873A08F5 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7245E0ED2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597637579; bh=Lu8KmgaQXbWxvmYDWOG0FZzO6zaUdjzFmP/itglD+Vc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d39xLw3bjg57PdKq9HOAoGWfwSdKajXwh2fFHlWh7ek67OtZ9ty2PZXfrKgwrLHmT YaWDIzQHnDwnhJskgm4SZOWc+WRbLcxdOJbrnbHxfBji1P2We7iNBF/OsEz39sgJxx pYfE2CxSiNk/rDdk1NyGfcFcgRcY7EF19EklszCo= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:12:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Minor inconsistency of error when MAX_STREAMS exceeds 2^60 (#3781) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a03cb20eb8_1cd6196410391ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 04:13:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a03cb20eb8_1cd6196410391ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to drop #3792. I agree with the comments suggesting that FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR is the right answer. Note that you might still receive a different error, as we permit endpoints that detect multiple errors to send any that it detects, and this case clearly justifies use of STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3781#issuecomment-674645070 ----==_mimepart_5f3a03cb20eb8_1cd6196410391ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm going to drop #3792. I agree with the comments suggesting that FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR is the right answer.

Note that you might still receive a different error, as we permit endpoints that detect multiple errors to send any that it detects, and this case clearly justifies use of STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR.

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Closes #3781. 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Closes #3781. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4002 -- Commit Summary -- * Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4002.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4002.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4002 ----==_mimepart_5f3a04675b5d0_5ae1964466433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is an error that can be detected in frame parsing without
additional context.

Closes #3781.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4002

Commit Summary

  • Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60

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This sentence structure was unnecessarily byzantine.

Closes #3902.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a090f14751_3fa9196410511d4-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 21:53:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920243A093A for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LvrEpyDiA-Ld for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64DEF3A0937 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DCF560E1B for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597640013; bh=+HIS2r5HzujI9QsTS8+BKADDeGQ4BrsGXpW7t7c+/5U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ji4/Sk6+EWHxPP9dnW3vL/yhu3XZ/FlbhJnyu+SjMOPRl+ZPJ1cPVChaRwaEm0C9j 8jUKsiHlz/eWhwr2Zr6Lv1phgpVRYZ+6sl2Hv2hIfEIKVuqQc3jyW1KhfkxgWcXne2 LPZ10FsAV9iOQGfvi3d77JwoCLrU40PwpcA8Q/co= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:53:33 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Two reasons to exceed bytes in flight (#4004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a0d4d72833_281b196497871a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 04:53:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a0d4d72833_281b196497871a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It might pay to reconcile: > An endpoint MUST NOT send a packet if it would cause bytes_in_flight (see {{vars-of-interest}}) to be larger than the congestion window, unless the packet is sent on a PTO timer expiration; see {{pto}}. And > When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window. Now, you might implement the latter using PTO machinery, but that text doesn't really suggest that in any way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4004 ----==_mimepart_5f3a0d4d72833_281b196497871a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It might pay to reconcile:

An endpoint MUST NOT send a packet if it would cause bytes_in_flight (see
{{vars-of-interest}}) to be larger than the congestion window, unless the packet
is sent on a PTO timer expiration; see {{pto}}.

And

When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight
now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window.

Now, you might implement the latter using PTO machinery, but that text doesn't really suggest that in any way.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a0d4d72833_281b196497871a-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 22:01:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0933A0948 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:01:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08zPJQ44yyYP for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10B53A0945 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCB3E1E11 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597640509; bh=POx02JXYaLM68Q+x3VM0AQBzVisYeiJCWBTrxFiOlE8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p23R6OKS5zwmc4AF7LozhX5oqGeMb9aHYP20l1YTa487DSaCrKVEYbbfRHzCctF0P quuLe6fhfqeDZuJoxtKiQ1nqCiatXMoui4Yf6U61mxYRaeMU/ydaDX9M0t+vexb1q7 iELTFRnmFoxr3LoPHKvvg5jKluyrSFeznygE7g4I= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:01:49 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define slow start and congestion avoidance (#3982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a0f3dcc290_664619643766bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 05:01:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a0f3dcc290_664619643766bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, do people prefer to think of this as a two-state system, or three states: ![image](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/67641/90358813-71612a00-e09a-11ea-8a05-63dc5672170e.png) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3982#issuecomment-674656304 ----==_mimepart_5f3a0f3dcc290_664619643766bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

BTW, do people prefer to think of this as a two-state system, or three states:
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----==_mimepart_5f3a0f3dcc290_664619643766bd-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 22:04:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E172F3A094C for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1X_z1cICjmb for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE0C3A0948 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E190A5C004F for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:04:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597640661; bh=+GMHg8SyRnTtPtOMhGhcNfTkkzZFTwHg1XOKUuw0KIo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uDMbIAlTVFOhSvBXylY4DlshCZeYel3USG/M6cgc3UuSBwp7Bag58642PIKsbCxRo i6IFKqCw1XF7aUp+/qESHtCgXpxBzqwEZ5VqOjiBtUQ6ziqplVwln9tvndBnRS4dFh Cb8K/nx9MkHeTv7Vbrvkywo1YNeZtbFk0j93JSSg= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:04:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MUST NOT bundle, etc. (#3853) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a0fd5d07b2_e6919642717b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 05:04:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a0fd5d07b2_e6919642717b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For some reason, this text is already in the draft. I note that @huitema's concern about 1-RTT looping remains. I'm going to close *this* and let those who want to deal with the looping do so (that smells a little design-y, unfortunately). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3853#issuecomment-674657166 ----==_mimepart_5f3a0fd5d07b2_e6919642717b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For some reason, this text is already in the draft. I note that @huitema's concern about 1-RTT looping remains. I'm going to close this and let those who want to deal with the looping do so (that smells a little design-y, unfortunately).

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In #4000 (comment), @martinthomson asks:

How do you tell if the absent packets are ack-eliciting? I mean, most scenarios we use this definition are for the receiver, which can't know whether a missing packet is ack-eliciting.

I think we need to think about two possibilities: an ack-eliciting packet overtaking ack-only packet, and an ack-only packet overtaking an ack-eliciting packet.

If the former happens, the receiver can do nothing but send an immediate ack, because it cannot tell if the yet-missing packet is ack-only. But in the opposite case, the receiver can tell that it was an ack-only packet, because it has already received that packet.

IIUC, @ianswett's point is that we'd frequently see the latter when pacing is used, and therefore that we should address the issue.

IMO, this issue is an artifact of us using one packet number space for loss recovery in both directions. The problem cannot be cleanly solved unless we use different packet number spaces for ack-eliciting packets and ack-only packets. That said, I do think that it is a good idea to minimize the impact of the problem, and that the proposed clarification works fine in that respect.

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The definitions are new. The text on how the congestion window increases is just tweaked. The reaction to loss is moved to the congestion avoidance section, to avoid repetition. Closes #3982. 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@martinthomson I've left my two cents regarding that concern on the issue comment.

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The definitions are new. The text on how the congestion window increases is just tweaked. The reaction to loss is moved to the congestion avoidance section, to avoid repetition. Closes #3982. 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The definitions are new. The text on how the congestion window increases is just tweaked. The reaction to loss is moved to the congestion avoidance section, to avoid repetition. Closes #3982. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005 -- Commit Summary -- * Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (37) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005 ----==_mimepart_5f3a10e4f1439_178d1964224023a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This essentially rewrites these small sections.

The definitions are new. The text on how the congestion window
increases is just tweaked. The reaction to loss is moved to the
congestion avoidance section, to avoid repetition.

Closes #3982.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005

Commit Summary

  • Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance

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That is also consistent with what our stack implements. That is, we only ever send an immediate acknowledgement when we receive ack-eliciting packets. I can't see how you would do otherwise, frankly. However, I think that attempting to define "out-of-order" is the problem. I just searched the transport document for this and we don't use the definition. Therefore, I suggest that we say what we mean when it comes to describing how to immediately acknolwedge packets. That is, > An endpoint SHOULD generate and send an ACK frame without delay when it receives an ack-eliciting packet either: > * when the packet has a packet number less than any other ack-eliciting packet that has been received; or > * when the packet has a packet number larger than any other ack-eliciting packet that has been received and there is an apparent gap between that other packet and this packet. Or something like that. 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That's a reasonable analysis of this situation. That is also consistent with what our stack implements. That is, we only ever send an immediate acknowledgement when we receive ack-eliciting packets. I can't see how you would do otherwise, frankly.

However, I think that attempting to define "out-of-order" is the problem. I just searched the transport document for this and we don't use the definition. Therefore, I suggest that we say what we mean when it comes to describing how to immediately acknolwedge packets. That is,

An endpoint SHOULD generate and send an ACK frame without delay when it receives an ack-eliciting packet either:

  • when the packet has a packet number less than any other ack-eliciting packet that has been received; or
  • when the packet has a packet number larger than any other ack-eliciting packet that has been received and there is an apparent gap between that other packet and this packet.

Or something like that.

The out-of-order definition can go.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a137ba6534_42d51964753771-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 23:25:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8C73A09D1 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:25:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FZAQ--oZaaTq for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 067723A0AF9 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCD7580E80 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:25:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597645528; bh=Sr6FlPw0DUTeeHJHe5LNrzPP8RydfGpQ4lwxwdIHYe4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Bq8PaiRizJsV2ud4Ok4E19J4+E2g7AFWRxRZA+z9aBa69UXKpj1VdR76VDP/rzfFU BH1MEQUlAfmS2kQan4Vd8bUFFeRopaQ6ZkYps2ULc8jvk61vW0Z+n9pya652tGEwJu friYH3MSn1IUw3xztOyvGZfH8BPQGXDcHRYCz2zk= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:25:27 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Two reasons to exceed bytes in flight (#4004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a22d7cd8a2_1b5d1964352991"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:25:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a22d7cd8a2_1b5d1964352991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where does this second sentence come from? I'm pretty sure I haven't implemented anything like this in quic-go. Should I? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4004#issuecomment-674685176 ----==_mimepart_5f3a22d7cd8a2_1b5d1964352991 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Where does this second sentence come from? I'm pretty sure I haven't implemented anything like this in quic-go. Should I?

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----==_mimepart_5f3a22d7cd8a2_1b5d1964352991-- From nobody Sun Aug 16 23:45:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E0C3A09F2 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IX6TvUFmheUV for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FB893A09F1 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE788401EB for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:45:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597646725; bh=JZUVE66YJG2s3KbSX2eB3cLM+5Pf9bjxJkE5JJagXlg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xWmaLrzg1gkYxjXIjWvcIW6iT7d0MkczWaDNWXPGNLTPIEoxU61eGaJvTAFMeWsUp GbYnn/0AHuIfiz89gN8F0a3FueCcBXRAgJpejvOYHqI4IvkZDdX+vYjPuMYO8Uomap O4obuJOCReqvOBdyEiyu4+nXM3ELSk/4uGaW/sjg= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 23:45:25 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Two reasons to exceed bytes in flight (#4004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a27859c340_71e119642261c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:45:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a27859c340_71e119642261c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sentence is the the definition of the [recovery period](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-7.5-3). We haven't implemented that either, and I was wondering if it truly helps. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4004#issuecomment-674693657 ----==_mimepart_5f3a27859c340_71e119642261c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That sentence is the the definition of the recovery period. We haven't implemented that either, and I was wondering if it truly helps.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a27859c340_71e119642261c9-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 02:13:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73453A1422 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XXYU3G5a8Gp9 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 663E83A1414 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A874B5E0EC6 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:13:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597655605; bh=HNTrp3kxnsWkS/l/eKTi5RlVW2+0a+6CVs3DeB1Mkxs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qFNADflRqfZmJb81uJyuGZfJij5/U7hwjlUB6cGvaPxgLePC7PmfyNaLZAVgxVjvc QPklnEXjlJqG8Cfox/qGk8CPw7d+FRRIEh+z/RTDjxZIdrrjlnL3dMKOaMcYRw5PTo PrqR8O9XzNUW+MqIs5h/ynjtacKsNinkCOs78V4w= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:13:25 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC's Initial Congestion Window specification is incorrect (#3997) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a4a3599e31_dab196468261c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:13:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a4a3599e31_dab196468261c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Mirja on what TCP should do, and that such paths are recommended to reset IW to RW. That seems safe. My point was slightly different, we could consider for QUIC that the reduction might allow IW (cwnd) to be recomputed based on the actual PMTU. The PR seems to be heading this direction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3997#issuecomment-674762059 ----==_mimepart_5f3a4a3599e31_dab196468261c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with Mirja on what TCP should do, and that such paths are recommended to reset IW to RW. That seems safe. My point was slightly different, we could consider for QUIC that the reduction might allow IW (cwnd) to be recomputed based on the actual PMTU. The PR seems to be heading this direction.

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@gorryfair approved this pull request.

Thanks: I'd be happy with the proposed text. This text doesn't go as far as RFC6928, but to me the need to reduce the cwnd/IW is clear.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a4ac7b06cf_648b19641375a2-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 02:31:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3D73A145D for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQ5stwpGL8TV for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E618D3A145C for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3763840E47 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:31:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597656688; bh=rnLz+hEqWFR8sEKfHP7SHdC0IL0bpTC80nV3RA1DuUo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=b6dN2p08YtBSZ3XVoE9n2v0mYM3rr4d+j+KdtTc2rzdFR/9FCmkHHcanJTVCzpNf7 ZfBRMe5/5K2msClwTEzVt1Z66hgc4xtmslDISGBW6QWQps80Sy4TBNGO+chV1vKDCI A1aSO8PbzHmRH3qES5DEPqljT3TPdfQ8sDy3fHZg= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:31:28 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Two reasons to exceed bytes in flight (#4004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a4e70b4539_8fc196419277d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:31:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a4e70b4539_8fc196419277d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For TCP this second case if important because as long as you don't retransmit the lost packet you will not get any ACK that acknowledges new data. I guess we don't need that for QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4004#issuecomment-674771574 ----==_mimepart_5f3a4e70b4539_8fc196419277d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For TCP this second case if important because as long as you don't retransmit the lost packet you will not get any ACK that acknowledges new data. I guess we don't need that for QUIC.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a4e70b4539_8fc196419277d-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 02:36:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043613A1461 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3GTMCMXzhKOY for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAE6A3A145F for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFDC900D16 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:36:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597656987; bh=bT0n9ACXQ74glrpDgVPj/pU/bypv1v2tjhxMe9boQk0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=S2sDuW8HkgtYxIg656YJQ7a1Y3zNxr+hKajHrAhhjSSQv06v9OYLyz/HjCBLqkavg Fz05W3VjOxzBgAfOomiOhzfht3C1Vsu6wjsQIkffE/v6t5DHHflYgoWA44fWyoLn3S 5LOyh4+Ra4ZUdMWUr+NUWrHrwAFBW5j5u2fnZryY= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 02:36:27 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance (#4005) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a4f9bcc820_21ef19647278ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:36:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a4f9bcc820_21ef19647278ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mirjak commented on this pull request. > -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion +window is at or above the slow start threshold. + +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per +congestion window acknowledged. + +When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or +when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the +congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and +enters the recovery period. I'm just realising this now but this is actually not how TCP works. When you enter recovery you halve the ssthresh (basically to remember the right value for later). Then what TCP does is that is keeps sending one new packet for each ACK received (conservation principle: not know which or how many packets have been ACKed but know there must be at least one successful received and leaving the network) and then when all losses are repaired it sets the cwnd to ssthresh and leaves recovery. If you halve cwnd immediately when entering recovery, you can't send data for half an RTT until you received enough ACKs to be below the cwnd. This is usually not what you want. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005#pullrequestreview-468312505 ----==_mimepart_5f3a4f9bcc820_21ef19647278ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

I'm just realising this now but this is actually not how TCP works. When you enter recovery you halve the ssthresh (basically to remember the right value for later). Then what TCP does is that is keeps sending one new packet for each ACK received (conservation principle: not know which or how many packets have been ACKed but know there must be at least one successful received and leaving the network) and then when all losses are repaired it sets the cwnd to ssthresh and leaves recovery. If you halve cwnd immediately when entering recovery, you can't send data for half an RTT until you received enough ACKs to be below the cwnd. This is usually not what you want.

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Fixes #4004

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  • Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND

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----==_mimepart_5f3a8a48ce490_703b196423989b-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 06:48:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC7A3A1569 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FEngb8KmJICI for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E2FF3A1566 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835FE01F0 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:48:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597672102; bh=dvRSlbi6jQwAISmwPUyEvhdH3NMo08qZzmVBZ3SgiZA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sB6AJ4hHzzC7YSU+J+TZavtDDXrqprWlEYdsp8AtRSMgr4ijxvfOBMp+LvBiA8OQ3 V8HeWDOcD6lp5FvbKA4fqrJs4qBFxRFsTazkjBIqtSv9AXW8XffrPSbZMauE71+kfz wcIJ2Br4psewjP6lkQQsXY47OzqOzbcR0whxWbF0= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:48:21 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Two reasons to exceed bytes in flight (#4004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a8aa5ed716_68c819643147e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:48:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a8aa5ed716_68c819643147e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The second sentence was added later in #3483, and the MUST wasn't updated, so I'll fix that. Chromium currently implements PRR(RFC6937), which is a more complex variant of this which is designed to keep the ACK clock going. I thought we discussed adding an informative reference to PRR when we added this text, and I'm not sure why we didn't. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4004#issuecomment-674892606 ----==_mimepart_5f3a8aa5ed716_68c819643147e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The second sentence was added later in #3483, and the MUST wasn't updated, so I'll fix that.

Chromium currently implements PRR(RFC6937), which is a more complex variant of this which is designed to keep the ACK clock going. I thought we discussed adding an informative reference to PRR when we added this text, and I'm not sure why we didn't.

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The initial window is +not recalculated at any other time. Is your specific concern that you pick a max datagram size during the handshake, and then do PMTUD and find the path supports a larger datagram size, but you never increase the initial congestion window? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3998#discussion_r471494928 ----==_mimepart_5f3a8c32be5ff_436119642108ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

Is your specific concern that you pick a max datagram size during the handshake, and then do PMTUD and find the path supports a larger datagram size, but you never increase the initial congestion window?

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#3483 seems to be the wrong issue you are pointed to...

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----==_mimepart_5f3a8e119dd68_1aa51964283885-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 07:03:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A893A0C4D for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3yb_Uzu08uu for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7550F3A0C06 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FA6E007C for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:03:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597673001; bh=0XiTPK9cZwKHwMSTeDaElJEuzYxkXM7HBcDSGnFj5yo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oelqmx1fLKlFIs05M6Cp7vsXElFlAOb/BeLOkYWdOxiw7ATUfmDU5s0wMzL5i8UnO ie8vHWzlKw/VVlu0dqNn/jSF9i/Utp06nDXQL1WNaRiv6x4hLbrZNXCADH80v0YGzb rBx0CR6Xr/ZCfKnETM2xuqPl/3Z90bR6/Ncdf9OA= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 07:03:21 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify simultaneous path validation (#3932) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a8e29a2c22_6ee219642148b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:03:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a8e29a2c22_6ee219642148b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read this text quite a bit, but not end-to-end in quite a long time, so I believe that's the cause of my confusion. I'm planning to re-read all the path validation and connection migration text and I'll send out a PR if there are points that I think I are unclear. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3932#issuecomment-674900819 ----==_mimepart_5f3a8e29a2c22_6ee219642148b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have read this text quite a bit, but not end-to-end in quite a long time, so I believe that's the cause of my confusion.

I'm planning to re-read all the path validation and connection migration text and I'll send out a PR if there are points that I think I are unclear.

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Good catch, it's #3443

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Good thought on getting rid of 'out-of-order', that should help.

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----==_mimepart_5f3a996bac2b0_4016196448259-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 08:10:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672A93A10DD for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:10:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vRPuTNFvOReV for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEC233A10C2 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DDC521567 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597677018; bh=0AQMwqvcN/nrVbC447N+X6gmLZRsjvEYRWEzIOnEB6I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Cl4QyB5ze3MjWr9i1+gLbpxaNQX+KX9zzmz+coJNuEXAsFbqTyjy+jc7MHumJKJbk oJdM1flzG34sZaFts4p8/vgeuCGhQ33HQIqibK4S3JqLPORFpzr+JLBfXfM+rASCVR V2LTEKFrfm+/SpTeL1Znygw8pUwlmPWyZgmfX5DM= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:10:17 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance (#4005) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3a9dd9e9b05_7a7319642283a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:10:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3a9dd9e9b05_7a7319642283a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett approved this pull request. This is likely to conflict with #3978 > ## Congestion Avoidance -Slow start exits to congestion avoidance. Congestion avoidance uses an -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion +window is at or above the slow start threshold. + +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per +congestion window acknowledged. + +When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or +when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the ```suggestion when the ECN-CE marking is detected, the congestion controller halves the ``` > -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion +window is at or above the slow start threshold. + +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per +congestion window acknowledged. + +When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or +when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the +congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and +enters the recovery period. I think you're correct, do you have a good RFC reference handy? I couldn't easily find this text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This is likely to conflict with #3978

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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Having read this text, I think your comment on the issue is correct --= there are three states here.

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...because the ICW is less than SSThresh, presumably? Might be worth = mentioning that explicitly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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 ## Congestion Avoidance=0D
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+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the conges=
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+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (=
AIMD)=0D
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I was about to say we could simplify the second bullet, but that would miss the case of:

  • N-3: last received ack-eliciting packet
  • N-2: lost
  • N-1: ACK-only packet
  • N: Newly received

We want to send an immediate ACK on receipt of N, but not N-1. Nor do we want one on the late receipt of N-2.

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----==_mimepart_5f3aa4ec3cc05_5b851964114fd-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 08:43:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BBD3A10DD for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZWxyCt1Teczj for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 791A83A0D00 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4945840930 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597679000; bh=dV9akndIPHIX3a1Va8T1VpnwcG4mx5u0LCHJOcJR04I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yheQwgm9dAfmfuDbEiczWvnQjL+2dPVUign4SF1MjeQ2+G5MBlEyl4w0vvfQS1s8E zVpyAR20rEC1v+UOG299KNgykqjWjRCvOrT5E+VLsk3VwAmcaFzWAX40g3jK9wn3aM w+aqQ3oatzsxrMn2GL3L2JSx10FK++F9WPcq658U= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 08:43:20 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3aa5989339b_4c9f1964238ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:43:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3aa5989339b_4c9f1964238ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > What are the downsides of not doing this and generally having logic that triggers an immediate ACK if any out-of-order packet is received? @nibanks, if I'm understanding correctly, the concern is that an implementation that sends ACK-only packets immediately but paces others will routinely have ACK-only packets skipping ahead of ACK-eliciting packets. If you react to all reordering, you'll send a lot of unneeded immediate ACKs when interacting with such an implementation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4000#issuecomment-674956818 ----==_mimepart_5f3aa5989339b_4c9f1964238ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What are the downsides of not doing this and generally having logic that triggers an immediate ACK if any out-of-order packet is received?

@nibanks, if I'm understanding correctly, the concern is that an implementation that sends ACK-only packets immediately but paces others will routinely have ACK-only packets skipping ahead of ACK-eliciting packets. If you react to all reordering, you'll send a lot of unneeded immediate ACKs when interacting with such an implementation.

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What are the downsides of not doing this and generally having logic that triggers an immediate ACK if any out-of-order packet is received?

@nibanks, if I'm understanding correctly, the concern is that an implementation that sends ACK-only packets immediately but paces others will routinely have ACK-only packets skipping ahead of ACK-eliciting packets. If you react to all reordering, you'll send a lot of unneeded immediate ACKs when interacting with such an implementation.

Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks.

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@MikeBishop has it right. It doesn't cause a correctness issue, but it could result in a large number of unnecessary ACK-only packets being sent.

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Minor editorial nits.

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Editorial, since these are purely statements about the properties of the design. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4008 -- Commit Summary -- * No encoder memory for blocked -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4008.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4008.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4008 ----==_mimepart_5f3ad99bd47ca_2cc31964352a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Per discussion on Slack, expanding this discussion in the Security Considerations to be more accurate. Editorial, since these are purely statements about the properties of the design.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Noticed that the Security Considerations seems to have come in after and without the "field sections" terminology, so I did a pass through there. This will probably have a few conflicts with #4007. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4009 -- Commit Summary -- * The field police strike again -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (115) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4009.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4009.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4009 ----==_mimepart_5f3adeb85d8f1_2b9319641709e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Noticed that the Security Considerations seems to have come in after and without the "field sections" terminology, so I did a pass through there. This will probably have a few conflicts with #4007.

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I ended up largely taking @martinthomson suggestion from #4001 (comment), and no longer relying on out-of-order, but didn't remove the definition entirely. I can if people prefer.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 17 15:01:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627203A1271 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:01:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81DM8NsrFDSe for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F2FD3A1272 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E09A340EA0 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:00:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597701659; bh=tbzsNENebZOj/CgRLoGG2GuRZkpZ+qo0vjGLlKKtstE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NjZqXnnY9u0E96AJsXM5Jz/HGRzRkheWp42I5kAads9JfmKxvxwuFZgEGnKkJg6jB 57eh/N3yBRUqgQ5qykK/jQpqzit1tejvZ6qZJ1POKZdkdT+58411c4eGDvBkWMuY2e uvauXm/MsiCnyo6iC1QqpxkYVBCxWHV7pruAoJmQ= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:00:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Out of order relative to other ack-eliciting packets (#4000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3afe1b3eaa7_613b196469143"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:01:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3afe1b3eaa7_613b196469143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. Thanks for writing this down. > +* When the received packet has a packet number less than another ack-eliciting + packet that has been received. +* When the packet has a packet number larger than any other ack-eliciting packet + that has been received and there are missing packets between that other packet + and this packet. I think that this list construction shouldn't be capitalized: ```suggestion * when the received packet has a packet number less than another ack-eliciting packet that has been received, or * when the packet has a packet number larger than the highest-numbered ack-eliciting packet that has been received and there are missing packets between that packet and this packet. ``` > +The endpoint SHOULD NOT continue sending ACK frames immediately unless one of +the above criteria are satisfied. This is something I'm less comfortable with, because the delayed-ack draft immediately has us violate this. 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Thanks for writing this down.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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umber less than another ack-eliciting=0D
+  packet that has been received.=0D
+* When the packet has a packet number larger than any other ack-elicitin=
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+  that has been received and there are missing packets between that othe=
r packet=0D
+  and this packet.=0D
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I think that this list construction shouldn't be capitalized:

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-* When the received packet has a packet numbe=
r less than another ack-eliciting=0D
-  packet that has been received.=0D
-* When the packet has a packet number larger than any other ack-elicitin=
g packet=0D
-  that has been received and there are missing packets between that othe=
r packet=0D
-  and this packet.=0D
+* when the received packet has a packet number less than another ack-eli=
citing=0D
+  packet that has been received, or=0D
+* when the packet has a packet number larger than the highest-numbered=0D=

+  ack-eliciting packet that has been received and there are missing pack=
ets between=0D
+  that packet and this packet.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +The endpoint SHOULD NOT continue sending =
ACK frames immediately unless one of=0D
+the above criteria are satisfied.=0D
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This is something I'm less comfortable with, because the delayed-ack d= raft immediately has us violate this. I would be more comfortable if thi= s said that an endpoint only sends an immediate acknowledgment if it has = received two or more unacknowledged ack-eliciting packets or something li= ke that.

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----==_mimepart_5f3b05bb611af_703b196410867-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 15:33:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589063A12E5 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TzkzxDxlRv5P for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FD43A12E0 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479D456019A for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597703627; bh=VS2yaECJoXU/TwGPmIIQfGoQEDFdPNAUEeklmJrZLVY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SmLiSujFOf3eHF5a//Kw8i0KCNPiyRgq0p+/YQ1SdxOKY7pqt0O18iJsCim/HQpwG F9BWjbHf6pQvfkcX9TyJBez/8HWJaktu2d3XeFhOpbFFdQqYsG8C9Q7ctJmbJwFXwM fMqvxFs1ImcGOGJ9YdwWt1gpXd4eCL/6Q7CFTe9M= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:33:47 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance (#4005) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3b05cb3754a_2d6619642001b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 22:33:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3b05cb3754a_2d6619642001b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > ## Congestion Avoidance -Slow start exits to congestion avoidance. Congestion avoidance uses an -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion +window is at or above the slow start threshold. + +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per +congestion window acknowledged. + +When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or +when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the Taking Mike's suggestion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005#discussion_r471811021 ----==_mimepart_5f3b05cb3754a_2d6619642001b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the

Taking Mike's suggestion.

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The only thing that I think this will clobber (and so I need to capture) are the MUST statements that define AIMD. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005#issuecomment-675148846 ----==_mimepart_5f3b067163a0a_29ac1964316917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'll rebase this on #3978 when that lands. The only thing that I think this will clobber (and so I need to capture) are the MUST statements that define AIMD.

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An encoder allocates memory to track all dynamic table references in unacknowledged representations. Implementations can directly limit the amount of state memory by only using as many references to the dynamic table as it wishes to track; no signaling to the decoder is required.

This is true, but this is also obvious, at least once you start implementing the encoder. Too, there is the natural limit on dynamic references: it is the function of the product of the number of allowed streams and the number of entries in the dynamic table (which itself is a function of the table size).

I am concerned that this new verbiage puts the wrong thought into the head of the implementer; we should not encourage this. Limiting the number of dynamic table references (done out of memory conservation zeal) affects compression performance directly -- it worsens it.

Perhaps we can tack on the following sentence to the end of the paragraph:

Note that limiting the number of references is likely to affect performance negatively.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum packet

It's maximum datagram size, is it not?

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(#3999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3b2f489a02b_6ecd19642973df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 01:30:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3b2f489a02b_6ecd19642973df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can't use varints, but you could define `(p)` to indicate that the integer is prefixed. As far as I know, we don't need to indicate the size of the prefix and can rely on the prefixed integer ending on a byte boundary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3999#issuecomment-675197884 ----==_mimepart_5f3b2f489a02b_6ecd19642973df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

You can't use varints, but you could define (p) to indicate that the integer is prefixed. As far as I know, we don't need to indicate the size of the prefix and can rely on the prefixed integer ending on a byte boundary.

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This variable is used to avoid declaring persistent congestion based on packets that were sent prior to this time. Note that I removed the lame check in `InPersistentCongestion`. This avoids the implication that you need to propagate a signal that says "this is the first RTT sample" all the way from the ACK handling code. That signal is now propagated using the new variable. Closes #3972. 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This variable is used to avoid declaring persistent congestion based on packets that were sent prior to this time. Note that I removed the lame check in `InPersistentCongestion`. This avoids the implication that you need to propagate a signal that says "this is the first RTT sample" all the way from the ACK handling code. That signal is now propagated using the new variable. Closes #3972. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010 -- Commit Summary -- * Persistent congestion pseudocode to match text -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (22) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This adds a new variable first_rtt_sample that records when the first
RTT was recorded. This variable is used to avoid declaring persistent
congestion based on packets that were sent prior to this time.

Note that I removed the lame check in InPersistentCongestion. This
avoids the implication that you need to propagate a signal that says
"this is the first RTT sample" all the way from the ACK handling code.
That signal is now propagated using the new variable.

Closes #3972.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010

Commit Summary

  • Persistent congestion pseudocode to match text

File Changes

Patch Links:

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I'm OK with that, though I would qualify with "compression performance", as performance has other dimensions that the extra state might impinge upon.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 17 18:59:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3CE3A15CC for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xb1Raff147S8 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20FB43A15BF for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F66F56019B for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597715960; bh=Vcd37fykJvfTcIqGaMK73DY0pAwigCzW0SjFEKYlAS8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PPjrtdowTEE2HrRjRI7v9v6jDHlVGISwBWVIFbTGF3uAVPf6cW/H05QDMvC4TUmf4 ZfdvLRyeo3nTiqBIpz3RRRLQUCQ43e80rXXEsMDK5uBg4Nxbk6/Kly8RiD/USEL+Zu GF9kDaMdK1ONRJikmUyvhHXC4CAxhtfPFjsZBQQQ= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:59:20 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK SC: No encoder memory for blocked (#4008) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3b35f8eb68_517519649596a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 01:59:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3b35f8eb68_517519649596a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another thing to note is that sometimes dynamic table references do not have to have their own objects in the encoder. For examples, they are [virtually free](https://github.com/litespeedtech/ls-qpack/blob/v2.2.0/lsqpack.c#L255L256) in ls-qpack. (Everyone reading this in 2022: you're welcome) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4008#issuecomment-675204976 ----==_mimepart_5f3b35f8eb68_517519649596a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Another thing to note is that sometimes dynamic table references do not have to have their own objects in the encoder. For examples, they are virtually free in ls-qpack.

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Yeah, compression performance qualification is a good suggestion.

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Previously, the only inputs we acknowledged were the handshake bytes, but this recognizes two more: the signal from the client to start handshaking, and - for async validation - a signal that a certificate is OK or not. Closes #3873. 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Previously, the only inputs we acknowledged were the handshake bytes, but this recognizes two more: the signal from the client to start handshaking, and - for async validation - a signal that a certificate is OK or not. Closes #3873. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4011 -- Commit Summary -- * Describe inputs to TLS more clearly -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (18) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4011.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4011.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4011 ----==_mimepart_5f3b37895f85b_2fbb196438074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This clarifies the TLS interface by explaining that TLS only generates
outputs (handshake bytes or keying material) in response to inputs.
Previously, the only inputs we acknowledged were the handshake bytes,
but this recognizes two more: the signal from the client to start
handshaking, and - for async validation - a signal that a certificate is
OK or not.

Closes #3873.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4011

Commit Summary

  • Describe inputs to TLS more clearly

File Changes

Patch Links:

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These -events are not asynchronous; they always occur immediately after TLS is provided -with new handshake bytes, or after TLS produces handshake bytes. +QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available. + +The events that cause new keys to be available are not asynchronous; they +always occur immediately after TLS is provided with inputs. Inputs are either +new handshake bytes or new instructions. The two instructions that this +document relies upon are the initial signal to start the handshake and - if the +TLS implementation allows asynchronous certificate validation - an indication This seems to assume that certificate validation is done "outside" of the TLS library if it's done asynchronously. I can imagine a design where certificate validation happens "inside" the TLS stack, where the QUIC stack still decides to not block on the result. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -499,9 +499,17 @@ handshake, new data is requested from TLS after providing received data.
 ### Encryption Level Changes
 
 As keys at a given encryption level become available to TLS, TLS indicates to
-QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available.  These
-events are not asynchronous; they always occur immediately after TLS is provided
-with new handshake bytes, or after TLS produces handshake bytes.
+QUIC that reading or writing keys at that encryption level are available.
+
+The events that cause new keys to be available are not asynchronous; they
+always occur immediately after TLS is provided with inputs. Inputs are either
+new handshake bytes or new instructions. The two instructions that this
+document relies upon are the initial signal to start the handshake and - if the
+TLS implementation allows asynchronous certificate validation - an indication

This seems to assume that certificate validation is done "outside" of the TLS library if it's done asynchronously. I can imagine a design where certificate validation happens "inside" the TLS stack, where the QUIC stack still decides to not block on the result.

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Weren't we going to say that the traffic keys might get generated asynchronously in #3874? I wonder how this PR interacts with #3874.

I see this PR calling out three types of events (i.e. generation of CH, input of handshake bytes, completion of certificate validation) as the "inputs," then claim that TLS provides the keys "synchronously" in relation to such events. That works as a definition, but I am not sure if it is easy to comprehend.

I think my preference would be to talk about (a)synchronicity from the viewpoint of a transport. It would be easier to say that TLS might provide keys "asynchronously" from what the transport provides as input, then point out that key generation (possibly in relation to certificate verification) might take some time.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 17 21:05:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638943A1714 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2Ma30KOX5Ul for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355433A1713 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478245201FC for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:05:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597723529; bh=SMHU05xR4zsIWgltCrTicxBfuMK15VP8bhVi41z0dRM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l12X9ubfFRRJ1hO/EI0VWvKDTy62gh6Vi6FzHwzAfkuhaUFK2eMJPOROFkJEVoAMo WkWpNtqbVLSWtCGQ+lP+vhc+pa5RCYB5ttduTp45R+VSBytK09HFUPQ+mqMiuUW95u nraOj51d3PtC21TjVH8QYtwY49JhGNsnnllxaRJI= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:05:29 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe inputs to TLS more clearly (#4011) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3b5389372d6_1bda19641717c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 04:05:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3b5389372d6_1bda19641717c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To answer both questions, I am planning on integrating the text from #3874 as well. That would cover the case where the TLS stack has to disappear for some time before it produces new outputs, however that manifests. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4011#issuecomment-675236487 ----==_mimepart_5f3b5389372d6_1bda19641717c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To answer both questions, I am planning on integrating the text from #3874 as well. That would cover the case where the TLS stack has to disappear for some time before it produces new outputs, however that manifests.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1514,6 +1517,7 @@ variables as follows:
    bytes_in_flight = 0
    congestion_recovery_start_time = 0
    ssthresh = infinite
+   first_rtt_sample = never

Yeah, but that means understanding that 0 is not a valid time, and I don't know if that is true. But I guess that is the convention, so I'll fix it.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
-     congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+     pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+
+     // Only look for persistent congestion if the period
+     // starts after getting the first RTT sample.
+     assert(first_rtt_sample is not never)
+     if (largest_lost.time_sent - pc_period > first_rtt_sample):

largest_lost is the name of the variable we have. This says that the span of length pc_period that ends at the time that the largest lost was sent must start after we first got an RTT sample.

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----==_mimepart_5f3b5af5771ff_427a196420809d-- From nobody Mon Aug 17 21:40:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679FA3A173D for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:40:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EM-COZYGjs9h for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4483A3A173A for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E45B840BFB for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:40:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597725621; bh=Xze4jcDGdoXoN+R0wz8sZLVyx89YY/pXYIgZ6Zwpudg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XdJ+AfEnnGdDDuWhm6PRS0+uA/P7Gj4nro82qkUqFhUcqQOP5TlZ1t5a2+jBjjCXu VIhTzZC6kz+wFAD4D0t1w2UmwFOo7onqyqFXrEnUi58lMG1gXCizd94hi3b2TPboyK d1JDP30ywY25yWY+FS49NFSDPcaqArZQi3g+5UJ0= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 21:40:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion pseudocode to match text (#4010) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3b5bb5ebed_5d3d1964209812"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 04:40:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3b5bb5ebed_5d3d1964209812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) + max_ack_delay - congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold + pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold + + // Only look for persistent congestion if the period + // starts after getting the first RTT sample. + assert(first_rtt_sample is not never) + if (largest_lost.time_sent - pc_period > first_rtt_sample): FWIW, this is AllPacketsLost is not a fair representation of the algorithm in the latest PR. Only the largest ack-eliciting packet is relevant, and the function needs to ensure that it only considers the first ack-eliciting packet. But I guess we're abstracting over much of that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010#discussion_r471909397 ----==_mimepart_5f3b5bb5ebed_5d3d1964209812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
-     congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+     pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+
+     // Only look for persistent congestion if the period
+     // starts after getting the first RTT sample.
+     assert(first_rtt_sample is not never)
+     if (largest_lost.time_sent - pc_period > first_rtt_sample):

FWIW, this is AllPacketsLost is not a fair representation of the algorithm in the latest PR. Only the largest ack-eliciting packet is relevant, and the function needs to ensure that it only considers the first ack-eliciting packet. But I guess we're abstracting over much of that.

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Also, the extra indent made it really hard to fit within the (paltry) line length limit for figures. 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This wasn't consistent before. Also, the extra indent made it really
hard to fit within the (paltry) line length limit for figures.

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I'm not sure we need that. Since variable-size fields are defined to end on byte boundaries, we could simply note them as (N..) for an N-bit prefix. The prefix is an artifact of how the field is encoded.

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LG, but I want to leave some of the empty lines. > - - // Do not increase congestion window in recovery period. - if (InCongestionRecovery(acked_packet.time_sent)): - return - - if (congestion_window < ssthresh): - // Slow start. - congestion_window += acked_packet.sent_bytes - else: - // Congestion avoidance. - congestion_window += - max_datagram_size * acked_packet.sent_bytes - / congestion_window +InCongestionRecovery(sent_time): + return sent_time <= congestion_recovery_start_time +OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets): These are different methods, so I'd like to keep a blank line between them. ```suggestion OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets): ``` > - return - - if (congestion_window < ssthresh): - // Slow start. - congestion_window += acked_packet.sent_bytes - else: - // Congestion avoidance. - congestion_window += - max_datagram_size * acked_packet.sent_bytes - / congestion_window +InCongestionRecovery(sent_time): + return sent_time <= congestion_recovery_start_time +OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets): + for acked_packet in acked_packets: + OnPacketAcked(acked_packet) +OnPacketAcked(acked_packet): ```suggestion OnPacketAcked(acked_packet): ``` > - // Collapse congestion window if persistent congestion - if (InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets.largest())): - congestion_window = kMinimumWindow +InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost): + // Persistent congestion cannot be declared on the + // first RTT sample. + if (is first RTT sample): + return false + pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) + + max_ack_delay + congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold + // Determine if all packets in the time period before the + // largest newly lost packet, including the edges and + // across all packet number spaces, are marked lost. + return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, congestion_period) +OnPacketsLost(lost_packets): ```suggestion OnPacketsLost(lost_packets): ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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LG, but I want to leave some of the empty lines.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> -=0D
-    // Do not increase congestion window in recovery period.=0D
-    if (InCongestionRecovery(acked_packet.time_sent)):=0D
-      return=0D
-=0D
-    if (congestion_window < ssthresh):=0D
-      // Slow start.=0D
-      congestion_window +=3D acked_packet.sent_bytes=0D
-    else:=0D
-      // Congestion avoidance.=0D
-      congestion_window +=3D=0D
-        max_datagram_size * acked_packet.sent_bytes=0D
-        / congestion_window=0D
+InCongestionRecovery(sent_time):=0D
+  return sent_time <=3D congestion_recovery_start_time=0D
+OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets):=0D
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These are different methods, so I'd like to keep a blank line between = them.

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-OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets):=0D
+=0D
+OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets):=0D
=0D =0D =0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> -      return=0D
-=0D
-    if (congestion_window < ssthresh):=0D
-      // Slow start.=0D
-      congestion_window +=3D acked_packet.sent_bytes=0D
-    else:=0D
-      // Congestion avoidance.=0D
-      congestion_window +=3D=0D
-        max_datagram_size * acked_packet.sent_bytes=0D
-        / congestion_window=0D
+InCongestionRecovery(sent_time):=0D
+  return sent_time <=3D congestion_recovery_start_time=0D
+OnPacketsAcked(acked_packets):=0D
+  for acked_packet in acked_packets:=0D
+    OnPacketAcked(acked_packet)=0D
+OnPacketAcked(acked_packet):=0D
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-OnPacketAcked(acked_packet):=0D
+=0D
+OnPacketAcked(acked_packet):=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> -     // Collapse congestion window if per=
sistent congestion=0D
-     if (InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets.largest())):=0D
-       congestion_window =3D kMinimumWindow=0D
+InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost):=0D
+  // Persistent congestion cannot be declared on the=0D
+  // first RTT sample.=0D
+  if (is first RTT sample):=0D
+    return false=0D
+  pto =3D smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +=0D
+    max_ack_delay=0D
+  congestion_period =3D pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold=0D
+  // Determine if all packets in the time period before the=0D
+  // largest newly lost packet, including the edges and=0D
+  // across all packet number spaces, are marked lost.=0D
+  return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, congestion_period)=0D
+OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):=0D
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-OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):=0D
+=0D
+OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum packet

Yup, fixed.

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LG, one suggestion on ssthresh init. > @@ -763,24 +763,33 @@ The RECOMMENDED value is 2 * max_datagram_size. ## Slow Start -While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the -number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting -in exponential growth of the congestion window. +The congestion controller is in slow start any time the congestion window is +below the slow start threshold. The congestion controller begins in slow start. +1 to this suggestion, since I had the same thought. ssthresh is initialized to infinity, which is in the pseudocode, but not in this text I'm now noticing. ```suggestion below the slow start threshold. The congestion controller begins in slow start because the slow start threshold is initialized to an infinite value. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 18 08:42:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6223A0DC4 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LJAP4PTgV3lA for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 935073A0DC3 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC294560EFE for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:42:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597765370; bh=rr/Wjoc0GhwzdkU1ib49QM7X15iBJ7uMVjYT+W6yojk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZOui7VpZxQttD6JCiK/aX82QViBATEcdR4wmtJzBTF9r/jFN6b5QvFSU3nkrgPrYu jx9ApewJxLZmAxWYgFQyAy7AUzadwQ2HuaPJsw/CilNJHsSTszXjB3F7K3IVgFiVT/ EaTHkKBGMChuBa7jQooC8d2HHx6AuUYoXGepBsLg= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:42:50 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] New layout format in QPACK (#4013) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3bf6facc5b5_2d211964138762"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:42:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3bf6facc5b5_2d211964138762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Switches QPACK to the layout format from #3573 to match the other QUIC documents. Along the way, it renames the single-letter field names to be more comprehensible (T=Table, H=Huffman-Coded, S = Sign). For consistency of focus, please discuss editorial / consistency issues here and take "should we make this change" to the issue. Fixes #3999. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4013 -- Commit Summary -- * New layout format in QPACK -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (281) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4013.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4013.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4013 ----==_mimepart_5f3bf6facc5b5_2d211964138762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Switches QPACK to the layout format from #3573 to match the other QUIC documents. Along the way, it renames the single-letter field names to be more comprehensible (T=Table, H=Huffman-Coded, S = Sign).

For consistency of focus, please discuss editorial / consistency issues here and take "should we make this change" to the issue.

Fixes #3999.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4013

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  • New layout format in QPACK

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
-     congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+     pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+
+     // Only look for persistent congestion if the period
+     // starts after getting the first RTT sample.
+     assert(first_rtt_sample is not never)
+     if (largest_lost.time_sent - pc_period > first_rtt_sample):

Yes, we're glossing over a few implementation details with AreAllPacketsLost() below, but I think this is detailed enough.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I was thinking @janaiyengar was going to fix this in #3961, but that PR is large enough so I'm happy to have a separate fix.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The endpoint SHOULD NOT continue sending ACK frames immediately unless one of
+the above criteria are satisfied.

This is an effort to keep the existing text, but rework it to refer to the criteria that's been reworked to no longer mention out of order.

Specifically, the existing text is "The endpoint SHOULD NOT continue sending ACK frames immediately unless more ack-eliciting packets are received out of order."

The goal of this text is: you should send one immediate ACK if the above happens, but don't keep sending immediate ACKs for every subsequent ack-eliciting packet, because that would be excessive.

Suggestions welcome.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 18 10:49:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B413A09C4 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tHeHJ5SaTwk5 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFD5B3A09BB for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD04840D96 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:49:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597772986; bh=n8Ll2Pu2WiIKITnK/R0qiEkalf/Dux7k16yxMDvyh0c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DWI2JrSv0xpE5IJfbuhDieiE0Tqazs2tboeJ63+sswsdPW+uG1CncrgDkEphkWPdS r+USwqsdWLLygDos3/nyaVbfQ2NPjyr4XPgix53szN8Pcx7zDMC6ujuDFg/9EPMFVT 8GvBZ9jJ9bSnBF/jjkLgvb7cvKfvZiYEWyH8Lg14= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 10:49:46 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should QPACK use the new layout? 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I don't like this change. It will be more helpful to the future implementers if the QPACK spec looks similar to the HPACK spec.

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----==_mimepart_5f3c14ba1ddd0_73f01964127568-- From nobody Tue Aug 18 12:26:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A933A0AD9 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:26:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kvQJcFaHVQ45 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8E183A0ABB for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E895C01EF for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:26:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597778782; bh=niKWS2l/s9aTZwJX6Ty+IKs3nvtOQkzn3Ru0k5ONOTc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rnQGFT9CV+DQN+6WROegdCgRPFDk/viN8glCOfe1tfytgroMOpkvlkeadJbUbvm8a TLU7LVVwOHhdKDYrDia7mjqojM+vM9+3GZxn9F/Ag9VkELshW1jS9L5/11ErZ1CprN ECZItEsxFdFNoDNLvCEO6psyUiT6WCybkqsp3Blo= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 12:26:22 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should QPACK use the new layout? (#3999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3c2b5ed1ca8_5a281964104549"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 19:26:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3c2b5ed1ca8_5a281964104549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find the traditional use of a "byte grid" a bit nonsensical when many fields span boundaries and the alignments are a falsity. I'd never implemented HPACK and so never realised this, I've only recently found it a minor nuisance while working on QPACK. As a recent implementer of QPACK, I did find it useful to reference back and forth with HPACK and compare that to implementations of prefixed-integer handling. I don't find this new format particularly useful. While it might be consistent with the other documents, QPACK seems distinct with a very loose coupling to any other of the QUIC docs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3999#issuecomment-675668585 ----==_mimepart_5f3c2b5ed1ca8_5a281964104549 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I find the traditional use of a "byte grid" a bit nonsensical when many fields span boundaries and the alignments are a falsity. I'd never implemented HPACK and so never realised this, I've only recently found it a minor nuisance while working on QPACK.

As a recent implementer of QPACK, I did find it useful to reference back and forth with HPACK and compare that to implementations of prefixed-integer handling. I don't find this new format particularly useful. While it might be consistent with the other documents, QPACK seems distinct with a very loose coupling to any other of the QUIC docs.

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It's more words, but it is far less ambiguous. Closes #3802. 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Agreed that we can't take the proposed text. I've suggested some text. (apologies about not getting to this sooner, I was trying to prioritize the design issues assuming that I'd have gotten to the editorial ones sooner than now.) > @@ -1094,7 +1094,9 @@ max_ack_delay: : The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space. The actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers, - reordering, or lost ACK frames. + reordering, or lost ACK frames. max_ack_delay is initialized to 0 and + updated when transport parameters are exchanged. If a peer does not + specify max_ack_delay, it is set to 25ms. I'd suggest some text like this, to avoid repeating the details here. ``` The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space, as defined by the eponymous transport parameter (Section 18.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Note that the actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers, reordering, or lost ACK frames. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3938#pullrequestreview-469772612 ----==_mimepart_5f3c3151c5038_7af51964179210 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

Agreed that we can't take the proposed text. I've suggested some text.

(apologies about not getting to this sooner, I was trying to prioritize the design issues assuming that I'd have gotten to the editorial ones sooner than now.)

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1094,7 +1094,9 @@ max_ack_delay:
 : The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay
   acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space. The
   actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers,
-  reordering, or lost ACK frames.
+  reordering, or lost ACK frames. max_ack_delay is initialized to 0 and
+  updated when transport parameters are exchanged. If a peer does not
+  specify max_ack_delay, it is set to 25ms.

I'd suggest some text like this, to avoid repeating the details here.

The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay acknowledgments
for packets in the Application Data packet number space, as defined by the eponymous
transport parameter (Section 18.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Note that the actual
ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers, reordering, or lost
ACK frames.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Additionaly, an endpoint might postpone the processing of acknowledgements when
+the corresponding decryption keys are not immediately available. For example, a

This is a useful distinction -- endpoints that are unable to process acks because keys aren't there can simply drop those packets too. That won't reflect in the delay.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-The PTO value MUST be set to at least kGranularity, to avoid the timer expiring
+When the PTO is armed for Initial or Handshake packet number spaces, the
+max_ack_delay in the PTO period computation is set to 0, since the peer is

I've changed the text to be a bit clearer, but this text is still ok and useful for Initial packets and useful if the implementation doesn't follow the SHOULD above or harmless for Handshake packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1362,9 +1362,14 @@ allows (see {{eviction}}).
 A decoder can limit the amount of state memory used for blocked streams by
 setting an appropriate value for the maximum number of blocked streams.  In
 HTTP/3, this is realized by setting an appropriate value for the
-QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS parameter.  An encoder can limit the amount of state
-memory by only using as many blocked streams as it wishes to support; no
-signaling to the decoder is required.
+QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS parameter.  Streams which risk becoming blocked consume no
+additional state memory on the encoder.
+
+An encoder allocates memory to track all dynamic table references in
+unacknowledged representations.  Implementations can directly limit the amount

representations are not acknowledged, encoded field section blocks are, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1362,9 +1362,14 @@ allows (see {{eviction}}).
 A decoder can limit the amount of state memory used for blocked streams by
 setting an appropriate value for the maximum number of blocked streams.  In
 HTTP/3, this is realized by setting an appropriate value for the
-QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS parameter.  An encoder can limit the amount of state
-memory by only using as many blocked streams as it wishes to support; no
-signaling to the decoder is required.
+QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS parameter.  Streams which risk becoming blocked consume no
+additional state memory on the encoder.
+
+An encoder allocates memory to track all dynamic table references in
+unacknowledged representations.  Implementations can directly limit the amount
+of state memory by only using as many references to the dynamic table as it

Subject/pronoun agreement: "Implementations can...as it wishes". Perhaps "An implementation can..."

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Just update the ascii art to remove the little indices?

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 18 13:58:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AE43A0C57 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tn7u7UWZa2Sl for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23DD53A0C5D for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC80E0050 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:58:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597784295; bh=ak1FoxU4BDgWow5AIsokBWK5603Y7hcnpby2SggIJ3o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Iv9OGhnnd9HF36VhxsZm5yCLyrk/tpjGrAPq76YtGGj9blij54hVk69QJELbr0z7Q V/AhfxKYzXUrI2kZ5F3VpNpWeYFh8pn4T4lBfF8NW5zKSe82CsDkb+poQ6byZ1Pfqg m2iewhv1aAMdJBI2mkALCfLWhsH/Iqs7owdAlqVw= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:58:15 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3c40e77c0d8_78f31964164630"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:58:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3c40e77c0d8_78f31964164630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because @MikeBishop: I see your point. The concern @larseggert was trying to address was that in some carrier-grade NATs, it is possible that what appears as a port change might actually be a path change on the private side of the CGNAT, but your point is that CID change cannot be assumed to be a good proxy for path change. At a minimum, we don't have experience with this yet, so we can't assume it. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other here. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

@MikeBishop: I see your point. The concern @larseggert was trying to address was that in some carrier-grade NATs, it is possible that what appears as a port change might actually be a path change on the private side of the CGNAT, but your point is that CID change cannot be assumed to be a good proxy for path change. At a minimum, we don't have experience with this yet, so we can't assume it.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other here. In practice, I completely expect people to treat port changes as same path. Given @MikeBishop's point about CID changes also not reflecting a path change, I would suggest leaving the PR as it is.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

I was proposing two changes:

  • we've used endpoint and peer as the two sides. Because you've used "endpoint" for this end, I'm suggesting using "peer" for the other end.
  • we've used address to mean IP and port, so saying "the change in the address" was simply to clarify that the "only" is scoped to the address (and not to other things, like CID). Your current text says "the only change is" without saying the only change to what.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because
+port-only changes are commonly the result of NAT rebinding or other middlebox
+activity, the endpoint MAY instead retain its congestion control state and
+round-trip estimate in those cases instead of reverting to initial values.
+In cases where congestion control state
+retained from an old path is used on a new path with substantially different
+characteristics, a sender may transmit too aggressively until the congestion
+controller and the RTT estimator have adapted. Generally, implementations are
+advised to be cautious when using previous values on a new path.

This is not a recommendation. The advise there seems appropriate to me; is there specific other advise that is needed?

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----==_mimepart_5f3c4243d6111_b931964416483-- From nobody Tue Aug 18 14:09:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0E03A0C94 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id koVWO9OurBLD for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3463A0CA3 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D839D8403D6 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597784972; bh=aoqkWpFbgXTEWdZGEC2pubH22iGmY9ar/EFAuWIOasI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zJjdBsqXsaCPb4RmIpGr1TsU4lgEVd4pPyI/YDS0XUCqj7oL09Yajp4Y6c2lqa4KI TqwZXo2UwS11NqgNwD/ALAKaoFmJbcCUnh7aYwE5YGYjbOpmc210pSjRCxbhZ9HaKr ZzQE1Hq9Qm3li6NaP4n3qOa+GvEqyIxnEa7Go5jA= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 14:09:32 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make the ack-tracking examplary (#3979) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3c438cc8f51_34c6196422288c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 21:09:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3c438cc8f51_34c6196422288c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. Sorry about dropping this one. I'm fine with it, and happy to make editorials one later. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3979#pullrequestreview-469832586 ----==_mimepart_5f3c438cc8f51_34c6196422288c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Sorry about dropping this one. I'm fine with it, and happy to make editorials one later.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

I agree with @martinthomson. This can be made more general than just the handshake. Whenever there is a use of an IW, for bursts as an example, this recommendation applies. Is there a reason to make it specific to the handshake only?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

@mirjak -- this document does not make normative references to RFC 5681.

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Congestion avoidance uses an -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram +size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion +window faster. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, the sender MUST +reduce the cwnd. NewReno halves the congestion window, sets the slow start ```suggestion reduce the congestion window. NewReno halves the congestion window, sets the slow start ``` > ## Congestion Avoidance -Slow start exits to congestion avoidance. Congestion avoidance uses an -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram +size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion +window faster. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, the sender MUST +reduce the cwnd. NewReno halves the congestion window, sets the slow start +threshold to the new congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +[RFC8511] specifies an alternate cwnd reduction. ```suggestion ``` Why do we need to specify this? 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // largest newly lost packet, including the edges and
      // across all packet number spaces, are marked lost.
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, congestion_period)
+     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, pc_period)

This needs to change. The idea now is that there's a window of packet loss that is pc_period long in time. The comment up there needs to change too.

How about:

// Determine if all packets were lost in a period long enough
// to declare persistent congestion.
return AreAllPacketsLostInPeriod(lost_packets, pc_period)

You'll have to change the parameter to InPersistentCongestion() to be lost_packets, but that's easily done, since this function is called from OnPacketsLost().

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // largest newly lost packet, including the edges and
      // across all packet number spaces, are marked lost.
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, congestion_period)
+     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, pc_period)

Because lost_packets is from a single PN space, I believe passing it in is insufficient and potentially misleading.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Let's do this here instead of the other unicorning PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
-     congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+     pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+
+     // Only look for persistent congestion if the period
+     // starts after getting the first RTT sample.
+     assert(first_rtt_sample is not never)
+     if (largest_lost.time_sent - pc_period > first_rtt_sample):

See my comment below. You can change the param here to lost_packets. I would suggest the following:

We could make AreAllPacketsLostInPeriod() return the starting point of the persistent congestion period, and use that up here. Meaning call that function first and then check to see if that period starts after first_rtt_sample.

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Changes to the text looks good to me.

As @martinthomson suggested, I think we can remove the definition of "out-of-order packet" in section 1.2 now that we do not rely on it.

The draft assumes that people understand what "out-of-order delivery" means, when we discuss about frames or stream IDs arriving out-of-order. We can rely on that for packets too.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -532,7 +532,7 @@ delay sending an acknowledgement.
 
 When the PTO is armed for Initial or Handshake packet number spaces, the
 max_ack_delay in the PTO period computation is set to 0, since the peer is
-expected to acknowledge these packets immediately; see 13.2.1 of
+expected to not delay these packets intentionally; see 13.2.1 of

After a re-read, I think I was thinking this was a problem for packets in ApplicationData, but after re-thinking this, I don't think there's an issue there. I posted this 1 minute before our editors meeting, so I suspect I was a bit rushed.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 18 15:07:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E8B3A0E1D for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:07:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D-hvBP1GwaQi for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ACDC3A0857 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843365E0E7C for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:07:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597788450; bh=1bq2KqO8+yl7Lf6pY/rcafqocM8kVcepR+0ebE302Nk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=S4CjmsTs4NpI7UJy7YO6A1TYWn7s7RUdK7skOgljuP7ULHbuEBGC69qzdQgnsbvD3 rvNaGV/VM6dHScVPt1eRWd9bd7e49ZCQm4agah8OVSqDoQ5wu9GRyImjm94QKHj4NW NyPix17LA9HW6ozOGncjiKt4pjwwYlvUH5iIsSQw= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:07:30 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update initial congestion window on MTU decrease (#3998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3c5122740ff_4ccf19641078f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:07:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3c5122740ff_4ccf19641078f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. > +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake, +the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size. +This avoids overly large initial congestion windows. The initial window is +not recalculated at any other time. Not really, I was attempting to make the smallest change that fixed the issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3998#discussion_r472520483 ----==_mimepart_5f3c5122740ff_4ccf19641078f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

Not really, I was attempting to make the smallest change that fixed the issue.

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(#3999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3c53fbe7efd_720f196411464a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:19:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3c53fbe7efd_720f196411464a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a fan of the new layout either, but I can't tell if that's just bias because I'm used to the old format. 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I'm not a fan of the new layout either, but I can't tell if that's just bias because I'm used to the old format. Do others agree with @LPardue's framing of the coupling with HPACK vs the other QUIC drafts?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1225,12 +1225,12 @@ a linear-time attack.
 ## Applicability to QPACK and HTTP
 
 QPACK mitigates but does not completely prevent attacks modeled on CRIME [CRIME]
-by forcing a guess to match an entire header field value, rather than individual
+by forcing a guess to match an entire field value, rather than individual

i think it has to match a field line, not field value (here and below)? And technically the original HPACK text should have said entire header (you have to match the name and value).

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Commit: 6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Restore line breaks Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: 5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4012 from quicwg/pseudocode-indent Remove indent from all pseudocode Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f1b8397e2423...5cfacde25abe From nobody Tue Aug 18 15:34:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9794C3A0E7D for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v2BEx68P1VQs for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74E6C3A0E84 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C233F5E079F for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:34:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597790085; bh=pL8vOZ6sPoeI1o9gQ/YbuVtcwSwV2bFUgcihyNEA+Ls=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XAxqgh1LvyYuI23pDhS2g5sl2eR715XcqTWi6Sz7KvJjNdmrpKiK7XyPu59Kz9PxL KUvpuKYGXLu0eoYGqNemnSjjDowsCVnkF6qTePlgtGIFZBXtSO1zGeedgunoqGbu3w iib9Lv2YH5TvlXe9j3Z1XlCHPktCaU+XBunLTlCQ= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:34:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove indent from all pseudocode (#4012) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3c5785b1233_3c3319641218fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:34:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3c5785b1233_3c3319641218fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #4012 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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If the encoder inserted entries in the dynamic table while encoding the field -section, Required Insert Count will be greater than the Base, so the encoded -difference is negative and the sign bit is set to 1. If the field section was -not encoded using representations that reference the most recent entry in the -table and did not insert any new entries, the Base will be greater than the -Required Insert Count, so the delta will be positive and the sign bit is set to +section and is referencing them, Required Insert Count will be greater than the +Base, so the encoded difference is negative and the sign bit is set to 1. If +the field section was not encoded using representations that reference the most +recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, the Base will be +greater than the Required Insert Count, so the delta will be positive and the +sign bit is set to 0. 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -998,11 +994,12 @@ That is:
 
 A single-pass encoder determines the Base before encoding a field section.  If
 the encoder inserted entries in the dynamic table while encoding the field
-section, Required Insert Count will be greater than the Base, so the encoded
-difference is negative and the sign bit is set to 1.  If the field section was
-not encoded using representations that reference the most recent entry in the
-table and did not insert any new entries, the Base will be greater than the
-Required Insert Count, so the delta will be positive and the sign bit is set to
+section and is referencing them, Required Insert Count will be greater than the
+Base, so the encoded difference is negative and the sign bit is set to 1.  If
+the field section was not encoded using representations that reference the most
+recent entry in the table and did not insert any new entries, the Base will be
+greater than the Required Insert Count, so the delta will be positive and the
+sign bit is set to
 0.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 To improve compression performance of this option, certain entries might be
 tagged as being public. For example, a web browser might make the values of the
 Accept-Encoding header field available in all requests.
 
-An encoder without good knowledge of the provenance of header fields might
-instead introduce a penalty for a header field with many different values, such
-that a large number of attempts to guess a header field value results in the
-header field not being compared to the dynamic table entries in future messages,
-effectively preventing further guesses.
+An encoder without good knowledge of the provenance of field values might
+instead introduce a penalty for a field name with many different values, such

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

@janaiyengar just explained to me why this difference exists, and I found the argument convincing. I don't know whether this is worth calling out though, it seems like it might be a little tricky to get down in text.

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This is a fine conversion, but I'm ambivalent on it.

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There is still a "cheat" here in a function I called `FindLargestContiguousLoss`, which requires comments. I did manage to address the problem of doing this across packet number spaces by introducing a global variable. That variable now collects all lost packets into a single place. However, doing that means that you need to clear it out occasionally, or you declare persistent congestion all the time. This only clears it out each time you declare persistent congestion, which is massively inefficient. I hope people realize that, but it didn't seem appropriate as the best fix I could come up with requires breaking down the clean separation of congestion control and loss recovery parts. (That fix is to reset this persistent congestion collection if the largest acknowledged increases, but after running the persistent congestion check. That requires that the loss recovery code and congestion control code be interleaved in awkward ways. 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It's more words, but it is far less ambiguous. Closes #3802. Commit: 0f5dfe5233f25c139741c60783da398a7ad5261f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f5dfe5233f25c139741c60783da398a7ad5261f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-13 (Thu, 13 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- First packet with a given connection ID Commit: 74dff6511f32ec8a7cde61034cf36abd7846fd64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74dff6511f32ec8a7cde61034cf36abd7846fd64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 This is an error that can be detected in frame parsing without additional context. Closes #3781. Commit: 9bc7cc65b763016e2b80e54fb55ea26825ce7c60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9bc7cc65b763016e2b80e54fb55ea26825ce7c60 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND Fixes #4004 Commit: e3639acf3d41ca4729c9a49e51ca6b397e2e7246 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e3639acf3d41ca4729c9a49e51ca6b397e2e7246 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Remove indent from all pseudocode This wasn't consistent before. Also, the extra indent made it really hard to fit within the (paltry) line length limit for figures. Commit: 1c0affd6a24eb300b9f23f942a4982195ace5b3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c0affd6a24eb300b9f23f942a4982195ace5b3d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3984 from quicwg/spin-path Spin bit is path-bound Commit: f1b8397e2423f22f17957af7268624bb566c1289 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1b8397e2423f22f17957af7268624bb566c1289 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK SC: No encoder memory for blocked (#4008) * No encoder memory for blocked * Caution * @afrind's feedback Commit: 6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Restore line breaks Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: 5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4012 from quicwg/pseudocode-indent Remove indent from all pseudocode Commit: 3e5744a7f7ea72f02ae1ebf101624e3d5f7d58b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e5744a7f7ea72f02ae1ebf101624e3d5f7d58b7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Nits on QPACK (#4007) * Nits * Update draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md fix wrap Co-authored-by: afrind Commit: 383bdd1212480dc405d489d2ccd9e9664ee3c0f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/383bdd1212480dc405d489d2ccd9e9664ee3c0f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4002 from quicwg/more-than-2-60 Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 Commit: b0be3ff870d54298d367009bd952240971e1da18 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b0be3ff870d54298d367009bd952240971e1da18 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4006 from quicwg/ianswett-cwnd-limit-consistency Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND Commit: 2c029b3b8e4ad14f98c24c2b1a2b4ea4285886db https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c029b3b8e4ad14f98c24c2b1a2b4ea4285886db Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into pc-starts-now Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f14448146246...2c029b3b8e4a From nobody Tue Aug 18 18:06:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0593A1082 for ; 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If anyone implements this directly, the (CPU) performance will be terrible, but I believe that it matches the text better. Anyone interested in how I think this might be implemented without deviating too much from the pseudocode can look at the commit comments, but there are probably much better approaches. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010#issuecomment-675794032 ----==_mimepart_5f3c7b9c42167_565c19649938f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just so the change is logged for everyone, I've completely rewritten the InPersistentCongestion function based on feedback. AreAllPacketsLost is no longer.

If anyone implements this directly, the (CPU) performance will be terrible, but I believe that it matches the text better. Anyone interested in how I think this might be implemented without deviating too much from the pseudocode can look at the commit comments, but there are probably much better approaches.

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----==_mimepart_5f3cc8724a619_1938196444582f-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 00:47:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5B83A10F1 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:47:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWpnaLjXDlKd for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE1F3A10F4 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FA85E001C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:47:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597823249; bh=ot5u1/ggy+SbgR1NxZJOAdC79knHWPPFw2USwbYiS9I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kfLkkherUTNVRYXEvTVC3SuUurAC1nMDAIBHOPupIuT6i+mVy0OHvmi7VWCcxe0As bZf0nwDAhjUFXHE8FT9adagsm0BwQ4rrLjcPDeMny4TFGH+u1AVmXonkGds9qhcshW V89I7lkGIy5MjsbDWokBuGx/ZNmDtBdOQ01UVvhM= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:47:29 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3cd911c03dc_106a19641445ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:47:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3cd911c03dc_106a19641445ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. Thank you for writing this up! A few comments; almost all are editorial suggestions. Only a couple of questions. > @@ -6357,6 +6357,217 @@ this behavior. An endpoint can then immediately close the connection with a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close}}. +## Request Forgery Attacks + +A request forgery attack occurs where one endpoint causes its peer to perform ```suggestion A request forgery attack occurs where an endpoint causes its peer to perform ``` > @@ -6357,6 +6357,217 @@ this behavior. An endpoint can then immediately close the connection with a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close}}. +## Request Forgery Attacks + +A request forgery attack occurs where one endpoint causes its peer to perform +some unwanted action, such as issuing a request. Request forgery attacks aim to I'm not clear on the terminology here, but isn't "request forgery" by definition limited to the action of issuing a request? If so, maybe this could be "causes its peer to issue a request towards a victim, where the request is crafted by the endpoint to inflict damage on the victim.". > +forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization conferred +by their peer's location in the network. ```suggestion forgery attack is often used to exploit any implicit authorization conferred on the peer by the victim due to the peer's location in the network. ``` > @@ -6357,6 +6357,217 @@ this behavior. An endpoint can then immediately close the connection with a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close}}. +## Request Forgery Attacks + +A request forgery attack occurs where one endpoint causes its peer to perform +some unwanted action, such as issuing a request. Request forgery attacks aim to +provide an attacker with access to certain capabilities of its peer that might +otherwise be unavailable to the attacker. For a networking protocol, a request +forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization conferred +by their peer's location in the network. + +For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to influence +what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a ```suggestion what packets the peer sends, and to which target. If an attacker can target a ``` > +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. ```suggestion ``` This seems unnecessary. Not a strong suggestion, but this could be removed with little loss of useful information. > +otherwise be unavailable to the attacker. For a networking protocol, a request +forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization conferred +by their peer's location in the network. + +For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to influence +what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a +vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform +actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the +attacker. + +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. + +As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an ```suggestion Since this version of QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an ``` > +forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization conferred +by their peer's location in the network. + +For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to influence +what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a +vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform +actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the +attacker. + +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. + +As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an +attacker can select the IP address and port to which a peer sends UDP datagrams ```suggestion attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams ``` > +by their peer's location in the network. + +For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to influence +what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a +vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform +actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the +attacker. + +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. + +As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an +attacker can select the IP address and port to which a peer sends UDP datagrams +and also controls some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of ```suggestion and can control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of ``` > +the data sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over +ciphertext. An attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a I don't understand this -- how does the attack include control over ciphertext? I had assumed the interesting attacks here were through the unencrypted parts of the packet. > +UDP datagram to a host that will perform some action based on content in the +datagram that the attacker is able to control or influence. ```suggestion UDP datagram to a host causing it to perform some action based on content in the datagram that the attacker is able to control or influence. ``` > +While it would be ideal if target services implement better protections, such +as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goal of +this section is to describe what a QUIC implementation or deployment can do. ```suggestion While target services are encouraged to implement better protections, such as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goal of this section describes mitigations that can be employed unilaterally by a QUIC implementation or deployment. ``` > +QUIC offers some opportunities for endpoints to influence or control where +their peers send UDP datagrams. ```suggestion QUIC offers some opportunities for an attacker to influence or control where its peer sends UDP datagrams. ``` > +Control over the destination of UDP datagrams presents three options for +request forgery attack: ```suggestion ``` Remove this and move the colon to the end of the previous sentence. > +These three options all involve cases where an endpoint sends datagrams to a +host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent prior to +address validation; see {{address-validation}}. ```suggestion In all three cases, the attacker can cause its peer to send datagrams to a victim that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent by the peer prior to address validation; see {{address-validation}}. ``` > +* initial connection establishment ({{handshake}}), where a server is able to + choose where a client sends datagrams, for example by populating DNS records; + +* preferred addresses ({{preferred-address}}), where a server is able to choose + where a client sends datagrams; and + +* spoofed connection migrations ({{address-spoofing}}), where a client is able + to use source address spoofing to select where a server sends subsequent + datagrams. + +These three options all involve cases where an endpoint sends datagrams to a +host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent prior to +address validation; see {{address-validation}}. + +Outside of the encrypted portion of packets, QUIC offers an endpoint several +options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that a peer sends. The ```suggestion options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that its peer sends. The ``` > +Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over early bytes of every +packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial ```suggestion Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over bytes that appear early in packets sent by the peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial ``` > +* spoofed connection migrations ({{address-spoofing}}), where a client is able + to use source address spoofing to select where a server sends subsequent + datagrams. + +These three options all involve cases where an endpoint sends datagrams to a +host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent prior to +address validation; see {{address-validation}}. + +Outside of the encrypted portion of packets, QUIC offers an endpoint several +options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that a peer sends. The +Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over early bytes of every +packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial +packets offers a server control over other bytes of Initial packets; see +{{packet-initial}}. + +There are no measures in the protocol to prevent indirect control over the ```suggestion There are no measures in this version of QUIC to prevent indirect control over the ``` > +encrypted portions of packets. It is necessary to assume that endpoints are +able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those This sentence is unclear -- to what end is it necessary to assume this? (I'm having some trouble understadning the rest of this para too, I'll try it again tomorrow.) > +This section assumes that limiting control over datagram content is not +feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limiting I am assuming you mean to say that limiting this for the purposes of mitigating is not feasible. Perhaps phrase it as "It is reasonable to assume that mitigations that require limitations on datagram content are not feasible. Therefore, the focus of the mitigations ..." > +the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior to address validation for request +forgery. ```suggestion the ways in which datagrams that are sent prior to address validation can be used for request forgery. ``` > +able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those +frames that convey application data, such as STREAM frames. Though this depends +to some degree on details of the application protocol, some control is possible +in many protocol usage contexts. As the attacker has access to packet protection +keys, they are likely to be capable of predicting how a peer will encrypt future +packets. Successful control over datagram content then only requires that the +attacker be able to predict the packet number and placement of frames in packets +with some amount of reliability. + +This section assumes that limiting control over datagram content is not +feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limiting +the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior to address validation for request +forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Initial Packets ```suggestion ### Request Forgery with Client Initial Packets ``` > +Servers are assumed to be able to choose the IP address and port on which they +advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be ```suggestion An attacker acting as a server can choose the IP address and port on which it advertises its availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be ``` > +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. ```suggestion other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC. ``` An endpoint that does not understand QUIC cannot be willing to accept QUIC connections. > +feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limiting +the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior to address validation for request +forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Initial Packets + +Servers are assumed to be able to choose the IP address and port on which they +advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be +available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an ```suggestion servers to control the content of Initial packets from clients. A client choosing an ``` > +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. Split the para at "However" and combine with the following para. > +available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an +unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. + +Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks "Clients however are not ..." > +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an +unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. + +Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks +that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value ```suggestion that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value ``` > + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an +unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. + +Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks +that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value +when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received. + +Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server ```suggestion Therefore, clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server ``` > + +Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server +address in an Initial packet that is sent to a different server address. As +strict equality might reduce the utility of this mechanism, clients MAY employ +heuristics that result in different server addresses being treated as +equivalent, such as treating addresses with a shared prefix of sufficient +length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /56 in +IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is +successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connection was +made; see {{preferred-address}}. + +Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to change +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server address, ```suggestion packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's address, ``` > +The Destination Connection ID field of packets that the client sends to a +preferred address can be used for request forgery. merge with previous para > +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server address, +thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses + +Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after +confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}. + +The Destination Connection ID field of packets that the client sends to a +preferred address can be used for request forgery. + +A client SHOULD NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to Why not a MUST NOT? What reasons do we have to allow this to happen? > +This document does not offer any additional specific countermeasures that can +be implemented by endpoints aside from the generic measures described in +{{forgery-generic}}. Why is this paragraph useful? It doesn't seem to follow from the previous text, so it seems to be out of place. Did you mean to connect it in some way? Also, the requirements above _are_ countermeasures, aren't they? > +vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not always +possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps that QUIC "However, this is not always possible when deploying QUIC." This seems to suggest that it's a weakness of QUIC. I suspect what you are trying to say is that perhaps "However, this may not always be within the control of the QUIC deployment. This section outlines steps that QUIC endpoints could take to unilaterally protect against such attacks." > +by endpoints aside from the generic measures described in {{forgery-generic}}. +However, countermeasures for address spoofing at the network level, in +particular ingress filtering {{?BCP38=RFC2267}}, are especially effective +against attacks that use spoofing and originate from an external network. + + +### Generic Request Forgery Countermeasures {#forgery-generic} + +The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify +vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not always +possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps that QUIC +endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as, +depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitimate +uses. + +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often ```suggestion Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often ``` > +depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitimate +uses. + +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or +migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or +migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously +available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service +at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could +offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints ```suggestion that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints ``` > + +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or +migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or +migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously +available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service +at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could +offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a ```suggestion the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a ``` > + + +### Generic Request Forgery Countermeasures {#forgery-generic} + +The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify +vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not always +possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps that QUIC +endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as, +depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitimate +uses. + +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or +migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or +migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously +available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service ```suggestion available at a different address, or if the address was was provided by a service ``` > +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this might +not constrain some attacks as it does not prevent an attacker from using the +Destination Connection ID field. ```suggestion frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this does not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field for an attack. ``` > +attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or that +match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints MAY +retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic without using +them. ```suggestion attacks. Endpoints MAY avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not send datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination address. Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic without using them. ``` > +not constrain some attacks as it does not prevent an attacker from using the +Destination Connection ID field. + +Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of +servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However, +it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common +targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for +attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or that +match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints MAY +retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic without using +them. + +Note: + +: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than + deploying network-based protections, as endpoints don't need to perform ```suggestion deploying network-based protections, as endpoints do not need to perform ``` > + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an +unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. + +Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks +that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value +when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received. + +Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server Since there's a large escape hatch below, I agree that perhaps a SHOULD NOT is better here. The following text effectively explains why this isn't a MUST NOT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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+A request forgery attack occurs where one endpoint causes its peer to pe=
rform=0D
+some unwanted action, such as issuing a request. Request forgery attacks=
 aim to=0D
+provide an attacker with access to certain capabilities of its peer that=
 might=0D
+otherwise be unavailable to the attacker. For a networking protocol, a r=
equest=0D
+forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization co=
nferred=0D
+by their peer's location in the network.=0D
+=0D
+For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to inf=
luence=0D
+what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a=
=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-what their peer sends, and where it is sent. =
If an attacker can target a=0D
+what packets the peer sends, and to which target. If an attacker can tar=
get a=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +For example, cross-site request forgery {=
{?CSRF=3DDOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}=0D
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include author=
ization=0D
+cookies {{?COOKIE=3DRFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information a=
nd=0D
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CS=
RF=3DDOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}=0D
-exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include author=
ization=0D
-cookies {{?COOKIE=3DRFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information a=
nd=0D
-actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.=0D
=0D =0D

This seems unnecessary. Not a strong suggestion, but this could be rem= oved with little loss of useful information.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +otherwise be unavailable to the attacker.=
 For a networking protocol, a request=0D
+forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization co=
nferred=0D
+by their peer's location in the network.=0D
+=0D
+For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to inf=
luence=0D
+what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a=
=0D
+vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform=
=0D
+actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by t=
he=0D
+attacker.=0D
+=0D
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=3DDOI.10.1145/1455770.14=
55782}}=0D
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include author=
ization=0D
+cookies {{?COOKIE=3DRFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information a=
nd=0D
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.=0D
+=0D
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one whe=
re an=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack mod=
ality of concern is one where an=0D
+Since this version of QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of=
 concern is one where an=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +forgery attack is often used to gain acce=
ss to implicit authorization conferred=0D
+by their peer's location in the network.=0D
+=0D
+For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to inf=
luence=0D
+what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a=
=0D
+vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform=
=0D
+actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by t=
he=0D
+attacker.=0D
+=0D
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=3DDOI.10.1145/1455770.14=
55782}}=0D
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include author=
ization=0D
+cookies {{?COOKIE=3DRFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information a=
nd=0D
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.=0D
+=0D
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one whe=
re an=0D
+attacker can select the IP address and port to which a peer sends UDP da=
tagrams=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-attacker can select the IP address and port t=
o which a peer sends UDP datagrams=0D
+attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams=0D=
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +by their peer's location in the netwo=
rk.=0D
+=0D
+For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to inf=
luence=0D
+what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a=
=0D
+vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform=
=0D
+actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by t=
he=0D
+attacker.=0D
+=0D
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=3DDOI.10.1145/1455770.14=
55782}}=0D
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include author=
ization=0D
+cookies {{?COOKIE=3DRFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information a=
nd=0D
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.=0D
+=0D
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one whe=
re an=0D
+attacker can select the IP address and port to which a peer sends UDP da=
tagrams=0D
+and also controls some of the unprotected content of those packets. As m=
uch of=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-and also controls some of the unprotected con=
tent of those packets. As much of=0D
+and can control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As muc=
h of=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +the data sent by QUIC endpoints is protec=
ted, this includes control over=0D
+ciphertext. An attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to s=
end a=0D
=0D

I don't understand this -- how does the attack include control over c= iphertext? I had assumed the interesting attacks here were through the un= encrypted parts of the packet.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +UDP datagram to a host that will perform =
some action based on content in the=0D
+datagram that the attacker is able to control or influence.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-UDP datagram to a host that will perform some=
 action based on content in the=0D
-datagram that the attacker is able to control or influence.=0D
+UDP datagram to a host causing it to perform some action based on conten=
t in the=0D
+datagram that the attacker is able to control or influence.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +While it would be ideal if target service=
s implement better protections, such=0D
+as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goa=
l of=0D
+this section is to describe what a QUIC implementation or deployment can=
 do.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-While it would be ideal if target services im=
plement better protections, such=0D
-as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goa=
l of=0D
-this section is to describe what a QUIC implementation or deployment can=
 do.=0D
+While target services are encouraged to implement better protections, su=
ch=0D
+as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goa=
l of=0D
+this section describes mitigations that can be employed unilaterally by =
a QUIC=0D
+implementation or deployment.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +QUIC offers some opportunities for endpoi=
nts to influence or control where=0D
+their peers send UDP datagrams.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-QUIC offers some opportunities for endpoints =
to influence or control where=0D
-their peers send UDP datagrams.=0D
+QUIC offers some opportunities for an attacker to influence or control w=
here=0D
+its peer sends UDP datagrams.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +Control over the destination of UDP datag=
rams presents three options for=0D
+request forgery attack:=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Control over the destination of UDP datagrams=
 presents three options for=0D
-request forgery attack:=0D
=0D =0D

Remove this and move the colon to the end of the previous sentence.=0D =0D

=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +These three options all involve cases whe=
re an endpoint sends datagrams to a=0D
+host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent pri=
or to=0D
+address validation; see {{address-validation}}.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-These three options all involve cases where a=
n endpoint sends datagrams to a=0D
-host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent pri=
or to=0D
-address validation; see {{address-validation}}.=0D
+In all three cases, the attacker can cause its peer to send datagrams to=
 a=0D
+victim that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent b=
y=0D
+the peer prior to address validation; see {{address-validation}}.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +* initial connection establishment ({{han=
dshake}}), where a server is able to=0D
+  choose where a client sends datagrams, for example by populating DNS r=
ecords;=0D
+=0D
+* preferred addresses ({{preferred-address}}), where a server is able to=
 choose=0D
+  where a client sends datagrams; and=0D
+=0D
+* spoofed connection migrations ({{address-spoofing}}), where a client i=
s able=0D
+  to use source address spoofing to select where a server sends subseque=
nt=0D
+  datagrams.=0D
+=0D
+These three options all involve cases where an endpoint sends datagrams =
to a=0D
+host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent pri=
or to=0D
+address validation; see {{address-validation}}.=0D
+=0D
+Outside of the encrypted portion of packets, QUIC offers an endpoint sev=
eral=0D
+options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that a peer sends. =
The=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-options for controlling the content of UDP da=
tagrams that a peer sends. The=0D
+options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that its peer sends=
. The=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +Destination Connection ID field offers di=
rect control over early bytes of every=0D
+packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial=
=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Destination Connection ID field offers direct=
 control over early bytes of every=0D
-packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial=
=0D
+Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over bytes that ap=
pear early=0D
+in packets sent by the peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in I=
nitial=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +* spoofed connection migrations ({{addres=
s-spoofing}}), where a client is able=0D
+  to use source address spoofing to select where a server sends subseque=
nt=0D
+  datagrams.=0D
+=0D
+These three options all involve cases where an endpoint sends datagrams =
to a=0D
+host that might not understand QUIC. That is, these packets are sent pri=
or to=0D
+address validation; see {{address-validation}}.=0D
+=0D
+Outside of the encrypted portion of packets, QUIC offers an endpoint sev=
eral=0D
+options for controlling the content of UDP datagrams that a peer sends. =
The=0D
+Destination Connection ID field offers direct control over early bytes o=
f every=0D
+packet sent by a peer; see {{connection-id}}. The Token field in Initial=
=0D
+packets offers a server control over other bytes of Initial packets; see=
=0D
+{{packet-initial}}.=0D
+=0D
+There are no measures in the protocol to prevent indirect control over t=
he=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-There are no measures in the protocol to prev=
ent indirect control over the=0D
+There are no measures in this version of QUIC to prevent indirect contro=
l over the=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +encrypted portions of packets. It is nece=
ssary to assume that endpoints are=0D
+able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially tho=
se=0D
=0D

This sentence is unclear -- to what end is it necessary to assume thi= s? (I'm having some trouble understadning the rest of this para too, I'll= try it again tomorrow.)

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +This section assumes that limiting contro=
l over datagram content is not=0D
+feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limi=
ting=0D
=0D

I am assuming you mean to say that limiting this for the purposes of m= itigating is not feasible. Perhaps phrase it as "It is reasonable to assu= me that mitigations that require limitations on datagram content are not = feasible. Therefore, the focus of the mitigations ..."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +the ways to use datagrams that are sent p=
rior to address validation for request=0D
+forgery.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior=
 to address validation for request=0D
-forgery.=0D
+the ways in which datagrams that are sent prior to address validation ca=
n be used=0D
+for request forgery.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +able to control the contents of frames th=
at a peer sends, especially those=0D
+frames that convey application data, such as STREAM frames. Though this =
depends=0D
+to some degree on details of the application protocol, some control is p=
ossible=0D
+in many protocol usage contexts. As the attacker has access to packet pr=
otection=0D
+keys, they are likely to be capable of predicting how a peer will encryp=
t future=0D
+packets. Successful control over datagram content then only requires tha=
t the=0D
+attacker be able to predict the packet number and placement of frames in=
 packets=0D
+with some amount of reliability.=0D
+=0D
+This section assumes that limiting control over datagram content is not=0D=

+feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limi=
ting=0D
+the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior to address validation for =
request=0D
+forgery.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Request Forgery with Initial Packets=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-### Request Forgery with Initial Packets=0D
+### Request Forgery with Client Initial Packets=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +Servers are assumed to be able to choose =
the IP address and port on which they=0D
+advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assume=
d to be=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Servers are assumed to be able to choose the =
IP address and port on which they=0D
-advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assume=
d to be=0D
+An attacker acting as a server can choose the IP address and port on whi=
ch it=0D
+advertises its availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed=
 to be=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +other types of packet to a destination th=
at does not understand QUIC and is=0D
+willing to accept connections.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-other types of packet to a destination that d=
oes not understand QUIC and is=0D
-willing to accept connections.=0D
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC.=0D=
=0D =0D

An endpoint that does not understand QUIC cannot be willing to accept = QUIC connections.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +feasible. The focus of the mitigations in=
 subsequent sections is on limiting=0D
+the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior to address validation for =
request=0D
+forgery.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Request Forgery with Initial Packets=0D
+=0D
+Servers are assumed to be able to choose the IP address and port on whic=
h they=0D
+advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assume=
d to be=0D
+available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implici=
t in=0D
+the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not se=
nd=0D
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and=
 is=0D
+willing to accept connections.=0D
+=0D
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficu=
lt for=0D
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an=0D=
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-servers to control the content of Initial pac=
kets. A client choosing an=0D
+servers to control the content of Initial packets from clients. A client=
 choosing an=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +control any of the encrypted portion of I=
nitial packets. However, the Token=0D
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients t=
o mount=0D
+request forgery attacks.=0D
+=0D
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) of=
fers=0D
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.=0D
=0D

Split the para at "However" and combine with the following para.

=0D= =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +available for use in this sort of attack.=
 The address validation implicit in=0D
+the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not se=
nd=0D
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and=
 is=0D
+willing to accept connections.=0D
+=0D
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficu=
lt for=0D
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an=0D=

+unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable =
to=0D
+control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the To=
ken=0D
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients t=
o mount=0D
+request forgery attacks.=0D
+=0D
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) of=
fers=0D
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery at=
tacks=0D
=0D

"Clients however are not ..."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +the handshake ensures that - for a new co=
nnection - a client will not send=0D
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and=
 is=0D
+willing to accept connections.=0D
+=0D
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficu=
lt for=0D
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an=0D=

+unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable =
to=0D
+control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the To=
ken=0D
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients t=
o mount=0D
+request forgery attacks.=0D
+=0D
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) of=
fers=0D
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery at=
tacks=0D
+that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a =
value=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-that rely on the Token field can be avoided i=
f clients do not include a value=0D
+that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a =
value=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +=0D
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficu=
lt for=0D
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an=0D=

+unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable =
to=0D
+control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the To=
ken=0D
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients t=
o mount=0D
+request forgery attacks.=0D
+=0D
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) of=
fers=0D
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery at=
tacks=0D
+that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a =
value=0D
+when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was re=
ceived.=0D
+=0D
+Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one ser=
ver=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a N=
EW_TOKEN frame from one server=0D
+Therefore, clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame f=
rom one server=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +=0D
+Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one ser=
ver=0D
+address in an Initial packet that is sent to a different server address.=
 As=0D
+strict equality might reduce the utility of this mechanism, clients MAY =
employ=0D
+heuristics that result in different server addresses being treated as=0D=

+equivalent, such as treating addresses with a shared prefix of sufficien=
t=0D
+length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /5=
6 in=0D
+IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is=0D
+successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connect=
ion was=0D
+made; see {{preferred-address}}.=0D
+=0D
+Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to =
change=0D
+the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the=0D=

+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the c=
lient.=0D
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Ini=
tial=0D
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server ad=
dress,=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-packets. However, the exchange of a Retry pac=
ket validates the server address,=0D
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's =
address,=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +The Destination Connection ID field of pa=
ckets that the client sends to a=0D
+preferred address can be used for request forgery.=0D
=0D

merge with previous para

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +the Token field. After sending a Retry, t=
he server can also control the=0D
+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the c=
lient.=0D
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Ini=
tial=0D
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server ad=
dress,=0D
+thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request for=
gery.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses=0D
+=0D
+Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to a=
fter=0D
+confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}.=0D
+=0D
+The Destination Connection ID field of packets that the client sends to =
a=0D
+preferred address can be used for request forgery.=0D
+=0D
+A client SHOULD NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior=
 to=0D
=0D

Why not a MUST NOT? What reasons do we have to allow this to happen?=0D =0D

=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +This document does not offer any addition=
al specific countermeasures that can=0D
+be implemented by endpoints aside from the generic measures described in=
=0D
+{{forgery-generic}}.=0D
=0D

Why is this paragraph useful? It doesn't seem to follow from the previ= ous text, so it seems to be out of place. Did you mean to connect it in s= ome way?

=0D

Also, the requirements above are countermeasures, aren't they= ?

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +vulnerable services to use strong authent=
ication. However, this is not always=0D
+possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps th=
at QUIC=0D
=0D

"However, this is not always possible when deploying QUIC." This seems= to suggest that it's a weakness of QUIC. I suspect what you are trying t= o say is that perhaps "However, this may not always be within the control= of the QUIC deployment. This section outlines steps that QUIC endpoints = could take to unilaterally protect against such attacks."

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +by endpoints aside from the generic measu=
res described in {{forgery-generic}}.=0D
+However, countermeasures for address spoofing at the network level, in=0D=

+particular ingress filtering {{?BCP38=3DRFC2267}}, are especially effect=
ive=0D
+against attacks that use spoofing and originate from an external network=
.=0D
+=0D
+=0D
+### Generic Request Forgery Countermeasures {#forgery-generic}=0D
+=0D
+The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify=0D=

+vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not a=
lways=0D
+possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps th=
at QUIC=0D
+endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as,=0D=

+depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitim=
ate=0D
+uses.=0D
+=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) of=
ten=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Services offered over loopback interfaces (th=
at is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) often=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1=
 or the IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +depending on circumstances, they could in=
terfere with or prevent legitimate=0D
+uses.=0D
+=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) of=
ten=0D
+lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or=
=0D
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections =
or=0D
+migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously=0D
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a se=
rvice=0D
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities c=
ould=0D
+offer an option to disable these protections.=0D
+=0D
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local addr=
ess=0D
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a gl=
obal,=0D
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt=
 at=0D
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely,=
 but=0D
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. En=
dpoints=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-that carries a significant risk of interferin=
g with legitimate cases. Endpoints=0D
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. End=
points=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) of=
ten=0D
+lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or=
=0D
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections =
or=0D
+migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously=0D
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a se=
rvice=0D
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities c=
ould=0D
+offer an option to disable these protections.=0D
+=0D
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local addr=
ess=0D
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a gl=
obal,=0D
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt=
 at=0D
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely,=
 but=0D
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. En=
dpoints=0D
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge =
about=0D
+the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated address=
es in a=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-the network that indicates that sending datag=
rams to unvalidated addresses in a=0D
+the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses i=
n a=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +=0D
+=0D
+### Generic Request Forgery Countermeasures {#forgery-generic}=0D
+=0D
+The most effective defense against request forgery attacks is to modify=0D=

+vulnerable services to use strong authentication. However, this is not a=
lways=0D
+possible when deploying QUIC. This section outlines some others steps th=
at QUIC=0D
+endpoints could take. These additional steps are all discretionary as,=0D=

+depending on circumstances, they could interfere with or prevent legitim=
ate=0D
+uses.=0D
+=0D
+Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, ::1 or 127.0.0.1) of=
ten=0D
+lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or=
=0D
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections =
or=0D
+migration to a loopback address if the same service was previously=0D
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a se=
rvice=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-available over a different interface or the a=
ddress was provided by a service=0D
+available at a different address, or if the address was was provided by =
a service=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +frames in packets prior to completing add=
ress validation. Note that this might=0D
+not constrain some attacks as it does not prevent an attacker from using=
 the=0D
+Destination Connection ID field.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-frames in packets prior to completing address=
 validation. Note that this might=0D
-not constrain some attacks as it does not prevent an attacker from using=
 the=0D
-Destination Connection ID field.=0D
+frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this=
 does=0D
+not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field f=
or=0D
+an attack.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid se=
nding datagrams to these ports or that=0D
+match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints M=
AY=0D
+retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic withou=
t using=0D
+them.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sendin=
g datagrams to these ports or that=0D
-match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints M=
AY=0D
-retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic withou=
t using=0D
-them.=0D
+attacks. Endpoints MAY avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not sen=
d=0D
+datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination =
address.=0D
+Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be prob=
lematic=0D
+without using them.=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +not constrain some attacks as it does not=
 prevent an attacker from using the=0D
+Destination Connection ID field.=0D
+=0D
+Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the locati=
on of=0D
+servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. Ho=
wever,=0D
+it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are c=
ommon=0D
+targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for=
=0D
+attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports =
or that=0D
+match these patterns prior to validating the target address. Endpoints M=
AY=0D
+retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be problematic withou=
t using=0D
+them.=0D
+=0D
+Note:=0D
+=0D
+: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than=0D=

+  deploying network-based protections, as endpoints don't need to pe=
rform=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-  deploying network-based protections, as end=
points don't need to perform=0D
+  deploying network-based protections, as endpoints do not need to perfo=
rm=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

=0D 
> +=0D
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficu=
lt for=0D
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an=0D=

+unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable =
to=0D
+control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the To=
ken=0D
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients t=
o mount=0D
+request forgery attacks.=0D
+=0D
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) of=
fers=0D
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.=0D
+=0D
+Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery at=
tacks=0D
+that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a =
value=0D
+when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was re=
ceived.=0D
+=0D
+Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one ser=
ver=0D
=0D

Since there's a large escape hatch below, I agree that perhaps a SHOUL= D NOT is better here. The following text effectively explains why this is= n't a MUST NOT.

=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

My comment related to the handshake because I saw that as most important. I agree though with Jana, a change of PMTU can require that the IW is updated, given that IW is also used after the handshake and might be cached for future connections. Could we change the final sentence in the PR to say something like: The initial window SHOULD also be recalculated when a change of the path MTU is detected.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

I think the MUST requirement is that the cwnd is set to ssthresh when LEAVING recovery. In order to decrement the cwnd gradually we could say that only one new packet for two ACKed ones should be send which then would be mostly inline with TCP or we can leave the detailed scheme to the implementation and just put some warnings to not overload the link in recovery. Alternatively you could also e.g. halve the cwnd and then pace out packets over one RTT (which is assume is what implementation do right now?)

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Thanks Jana, I started applying these, then realized that I needed to rewrap and make other tweaks, so I've just made most of these changes, verbatim, as part of a manual commit. > + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an +unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to +control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token +field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount +request forgery attacks. + +Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers +the only option for request forgery during connection establishment. + +Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks +that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value +when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received. + +Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server I'm at SHOULD NOT on my copy already. I guess I forgot to push it. > +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. I wanted to connect this with something that has a lot of existing documentation and explanatory material. I found relatively little good material on the subject. > +otherwise be unavailable to the attacker. For a networking protocol, a request +forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization conferred +by their peer's location in the network. + +For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to influence +what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a +vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform +actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the +attacker. + +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. + +As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an I think I will pass on this one. QUIC (this version, or invariants) run over UDP. > +the data sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over +ciphertext. An attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a We use a stream cipher, which is essentially an XOR with a predictable sequence. If you know what the sequence is (this is trivial if you have the keys, just encrypt all zero values), then you know what the transform is and then, you can choose plaintext that is the XOR of the ciphertext you want. > +encrypted portions of packets. It is necessary to assume that endpoints are +able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those This goes back to the encryption-by-XOR from above. If I can control plaintext and make some good guesses about where it might appear, then I can control ciphertext. > +This section assumes that limiting control over datagram content is not +feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limiting It would also be reasonable to implement some countermeasures that prevented control over datagram content. The ciphertext fix does costs a lot though (it's a major change to the protocol that likely has a significant performance impact or requires the use of new ciphers) and it is not sufficient either as there are other more serious problems, like the SPA+connection ID one that I think we've agreed is too valuable a feature to dispense with (and options without this exposure are likely intractable for some server deployments). I could write all of that down, but I thought it better to just state the assumption. > +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is +willing to accept connections. I think that was supposed to be "....or is not willing to accept a QUIC connection" > +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server address, +thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses + +Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after +confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}. + +The Destination Connection ID field of packets that the client sends to a +preferred address can be used for request forgery. + +A client SHOULD NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to I'm good with MUST NOT. > +This document does not offer any additional specific countermeasures that can +be implemented by endpoints aside from the generic measures described in +{{forgery-generic}}. 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Thanks Jana,

I started applying these, then realized that I needed to rewrap and make other tweaks, so I've just made most of these changes, verbatim, as part of a manual commit.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an
+unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are unable to
+control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets. However, the Token
+field is open to server control and does allow a server to use clients to mount
+request forgery attacks.
+
+Use of tokens provided with the NEW_TOKEN frame ({{validate-future}}) offers
+the only option for request forgery during connection establishment.
+
+Clients are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame. Request forgery attacks
+that rely on the Token field can be avoided if clients do not include a value
+when the server address has changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received.
+
+Clients MUST NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from one server

I'm at SHOULD NOT on my copy already. I guess I forgot to push it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization
+cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.

I wanted to connect this with something that has a lot of existing documentation and explanatory material. I found relatively little good material on the subject.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +otherwise be unavailable to the attacker. For a networking protocol, a request
+forgery attack is often used to gain access to implicit authorization conferred
+by their peer's location in the network.
+
+For request forgery to be effective, an attacker needs to be able to influence
+what their peer sends, and where it is sent. If an attacker can target a
+vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might perform
+actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the
+attacker.
+
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization
+cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.
+
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an

I think I will pass on this one. QUIC (this version, or invariants) run over UDP.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the data sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over
+ciphertext. An attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a

We use a stream cipher, which is essentially an XOR with a predictable sequence. If you know what the sequence is (this is trivial if you have the keys, just encrypt all zero values), then you know what the transform is and then, you can choose plaintext that is the XOR of the ciphertext you want.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +encrypted portions of packets. It is necessary to assume that endpoints are
+able to control the contents of frames that a peer sends, especially those

This goes back to the encryption-by-XOR from above. If I can control plaintext and make some good guesses about where it might appear, then I can control ciphertext.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This section assumes that limiting control over datagram content is not
+feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limiting

It would also be reasonable to implement some countermeasures that prevented control over datagram content. The ciphertext fix does costs a lot though (it's a major change to the protocol that likely has a significant performance impact or requires the use of new ciphers) and it is not sufficient either as there are other more serious problems, like the SPA+connection ID one that I think we've agreed is too valuable a feature to dispense with (and options without this exposure are likely intractable for some server deployments).

I could write all of that down, but I thought it better to just state the assumption.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is
+willing to accept connections.

I think that was supposed to be "....or is not willing to accept a QUIC connection"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the
+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client.
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server address,
+thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request forgery.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses
+
+Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after
+confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field of packets that the client sends to a
+preferred address can be used for request forgery.
+
+A client SHOULD NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to

I'm good with MUST NOT.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document does not offer any additional specific countermeasures that can
+be implemented by endpoints aside from the generic measures described in
+{{forgery-generic}}.

These countermeasures are not comprehensive. Hence "additional". Re-reading this though, I felt the need to reword...

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----==_mimepart_5f3d284cd6929_754219641517cd-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 06:26:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1713E3A09CC for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4qqbIHK_84uA for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD6BB3A09DA for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C66600049 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:26:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597843613; bh=qIppBDQy7c8jogGVYM3261+zDuOK3di/MKBxUkV1UBI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nVvxLULSjgRcNIH+qkPOWKquOUIhrybYU58BcC+C9zBHyVLer37gtQphNh1jnA5xk uWgboiJ/OWK6JcgO0i33f/E0cJi1oGOqg+xDopR1v4jmMmVtQIe29YAGFhCJgvFBGX BaJ4o05ltzTcbBB+rWZh8NygKDoTkutQdQgW6eXE= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:26:53 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Field Terminology in QPACK Security Considerations (#4009) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d289dd06bc_13131964152252"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:26:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d289dd06bc_13131964152252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > To improve compression performance of this option, certain entries might be tagged as being public. For example, a web browser might make the values of the Accept-Encoding header field available in all requests. -An encoder without good knowledge of the provenance of header fields might -instead introduce a penalty for a header field with many different values, such -that a large number of attempts to guess a header field value results in the -header field not being compared to the dynamic table entries in future messages, -effectively preventing further guesses. +An encoder without good knowledge of the provenance of field values might +instead introduce a penalty for a field name with many different values, such Shorthand, I think. What it's trying to express is that if there are many field lines in the dynamic table which have the same field name and distinct values, you might with some probability ignore the dynamic table when encoding. The more entries, the higher the probability you should ignore them all to frustrate an attacker. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4009#discussion_r473027526 ----==_mimepart_5f3d289dd06bc_13131964152252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
 To improve compression performance of this option, certain entries might be
 tagged as being public. For example, a web browser might make the values of the
 Accept-Encoding header field available in all requests.
 
-An encoder without good knowledge of the provenance of header fields might
-instead introduce a penalty for a header field with many different values, such
-that a large number of attempts to guess a header field value results in the
-header field not being compared to the dynamic table entries in future messages,
-effectively preventing further guesses.
+An encoder without good knowledge of the provenance of field values might
+instead introduce a penalty for a field name with many different values, such

Shorthand, I think. What it's trying to express is that if there are many field lines in the dynamic table which have the same field name and distinct values, you might with some probability ignore the dynamic table when encoding. The more entries, the higher the probability you should ignore them all to frustrate an attacker.

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It's more words, but it is far less ambiguous. Closes #3802. Commit: 0f5dfe5233f25c139741c60783da398a7ad5261f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f5dfe5233f25c139741c60783da398a7ad5261f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-13 (Thu, 13 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- First packet with a given connection ID Commit: 74dff6511f32ec8a7cde61034cf36abd7846fd64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74dff6511f32ec8a7cde61034cf36abd7846fd64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 This is an error that can be detected in frame parsing without additional context. Closes #3781. Commit: 9bc7cc65b763016e2b80e54fb55ea26825ce7c60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9bc7cc65b763016e2b80e54fb55ea26825ce7c60 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND Fixes #4004 Commit: e3639acf3d41ca4729c9a49e51ca6b397e2e7246 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e3639acf3d41ca4729c9a49e51ca6b397e2e7246 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Remove indent from all pseudocode This wasn't consistent before. Also, the extra indent made it really hard to fit within the (paltry) line length limit for figures. Commit: 1c0affd6a24eb300b9f23f942a4982195ace5b3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c0affd6a24eb300b9f23f942a4982195ace5b3d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3984 from quicwg/spin-path Spin bit is path-bound Commit: f1b8397e2423f22f17957af7268624bb566c1289 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1b8397e2423f22f17957af7268624bb566c1289 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK SC: No encoder memory for blocked (#4008) * No encoder memory for blocked * Caution * @afrind's feedback Commit: 6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Restore line breaks Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: 5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4012 from quicwg/pseudocode-indent Remove indent from all pseudocode Commit: 3e5744a7f7ea72f02ae1ebf101624e3d5f7d58b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e5744a7f7ea72f02ae1ebf101624e3d5f7d58b7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Nits on QPACK (#4007) * Nits * Update draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md fix wrap Co-authored-by: afrind Commit: 383bdd1212480dc405d489d2ccd9e9664ee3c0f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/383bdd1212480dc405d489d2ccd9e9664ee3c0f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4002 from quicwg/more-than-2-60 Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 Commit: b0be3ff870d54298d367009bd952240971e1da18 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b0be3ff870d54298d367009bd952240971e1da18 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4006 from quicwg/ianswett-cwnd-limit-consistency Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND Commit: 5c66536a04d8741f21b1a7a726c6013f35ea7363 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5c66536a04d8741f21b1a7a726c6013f35ea7363 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into qpack/new_layout Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2b023e3ed0f9...5c66536a04d8 From nobody Wed Aug 19 06:33:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE443A09F0 for ; 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#4009 reborn, because I can't get GitHub to reopen the pull request.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4015

Commit Summary

  • The field police strike again
  • Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into qpack/fields-again

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An attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a @janaiyengar, I agree with you that full control seems a little far-fetched, but depending on the protocol and the scenario, partial control seems really plausible. At the most basic, consider an echo service over QUIC; you have complete control over the contents of the STREAM frames the peer sends, and if you know the peer's implementation, the packet formation is likely predictable as well unless they deliberately randomize it. Couple that with victims who will skip junk bytes.... I think Martin's correct that, while no attacker will actually have 100% control over the ciphertext, which parts they do control will be difficult to guarantee. So we have to evaluate the attack as if they have control over all of it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the data sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over
+ciphertext. An attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a

@janaiyengar, I agree with you that full control seems a little far-fetched, but depending on the protocol and the scenario, partial control seems really plausible. At the most basic, consider an echo service over QUIC; you have complete control over the contents of the STREAM frames the peer sends, and if you know the peer's implementation, the packet formation is likely predictable as well unless they deliberately randomize it. Couple that with victims who will skip junk bytes....

I think Martin's correct that, while no attacker will actually have 100% control over the ciphertext, which parts they do control will be difficult to guarantee. So we have to evaluate the attack as if they have control over all of it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +While it would be ideal if target services implement better protections, such
+as strong authentication that does not rely on implicit signals, the goal of
+this section is to describe what a QUIC implementation or deployment can do.

If you take Jana's suggestion, the goal of

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I went through @gorryfair's original list of things, and crossed those out that I think are overtaken by edits, or for which I have a proposal in #4016. There are still others in the list that need someone to take a look.

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I think I will just break out the remaining things into their own issues. @gorryfair you owe me beer! :-)

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(Broken out of #3214.)

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(Broken out of #3241.)

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(Broken out of #3214.)

Servers that do not support a particular version
are unlikely to be able to decrypt the payload of the packet.
Servers SHOULD NOT attempt to decode or decrypt/

  • This seems like tuning? Or is the intention to protect the endpoint from an attack, please explain the SHOULD.

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(Broken out of #3214.)

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=0D= multiple QUIC versions SHOULD pad the first packet they send to the
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= =0D This ensures that the server responds if there is a mutually
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An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does
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(Broken out of #3214.)

MUST respond
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(Broken out of #3214.)

9.2. Initiating Connection Migration/

  • I assert the new path may not have the same RTT, because the path could traverse a different set of network devices or be subject to different policies that influence forwarding behaviour. These are not currently listed here, but are the basis for some later text in 9.3.1. Can we mention here?

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----==_mimepart_5f3d396f60217_3e1519649939f-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 07:40:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823033A0C21 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:40:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X-ENKREVyLQG for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22F933A0BB0 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C049025F6 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:40:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597848013; bh=86mnHtbdDBt9xanhqcjyxUKenGthAxMC+dD1pptMot0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jMNxdLjNTbBasVINGXMwW98Rg1eT0s3qncBgffrMNpJ8RBTJDXO+WanprHGn2EYFP sTrwOcYgivArZUs/o8CVVjpR5Dho7Mb8rwP0420D0JUtngflZ6Lwh/ERvYf5BQ6ZKa qSaX4edzaCTWK0HcX2r+T+kRae+uGhBBYC1tWZK0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:40:13 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] This statement is dangerous (#4027) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d39cd5413f_57851964286053"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:40:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d39cd5413f_57851964286053 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Broken out of #3214.)=0D =0D This statement is dangerous:=0D >However, an implementor should=0D > only deviate from these requirements after careful consideration of=0D= > the performance implications of doing so./=0D - Let me argue this statement needs to be replaced by:=0D - =E2=80=9CThe requirements described are baed on consideration of=0D the performance implications and the on other flows that could share n= etwork capacity=E2=80=9D.=0D - I strongly argue that implementors how do not implement a PS do not con= form to that PS. That happens, but I don=E2=80=99t see the point in a spe= c saying if you don=E2=80=99t comply you=E2=80=99re still compliant.=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4027= ----==_mimepart_5f3d39cd5413f_57851964286053 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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(Broken out of #3214.)

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This statement is dangerous:

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(Broken out of #3214.)

In Section 13.4

An endpoint
validates the use of ECN on the path, both during connection
establishment and when migrating to a new path (Section 9)./

  • I think the QUIC endpoint MAY also validate ECN is still support by the path during communication. This may be necessary when ECN is enabled, but a path change results in there no longer being support.
  • I think this needs to also be permitted in Section 13.4.2, allowing QUIC to suspend ECN usage for a path or to an endpoint for which it currently has a connection.

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(Broken out of #3214.)

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Even if validation fails, an endpoint MAY revalidate ECN on the same=0D path at any later time in the connection./

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(Broken out of #3214.)

Prior to validating the client address, servers MUST NOT send more
than three times as many bytes as the number of bytes they have
received./

  • So, let me understand - does that include retransmissions? or is this constrain within the PTO or something?

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OK, I think this is all the ones that #4016 didn't cover yet. I will leave this open to discuss the resolution in #4016, but please also look at the new tickets.

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I think this is probably OBE and we should close this.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

If we're going to make a change, I think it needs to be on #3978, which is a design PR that's going to be sent out for consensus call soon.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If the maximum datagram size is decreased in order to complete the handshake,
+the initial congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new smaller size.
+This avoids overly large initial congestion windows.  The initial window is
+not recalculated at any other time.

@gorryfair I updated the PR to be more general and the first sentence now says
"If the maximum datagram size changes during the connection, the initial
congestion window SHOULD be recalculated with the new size."

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +feasible. The focus of the mitigations in subsequent sections is on limiting
+the ways to use datagrams that are sent prior to address validation for request
+forgery.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Initial Packets
+
+Servers are assumed to be able to choose the IP address and port on which they
+advertise their availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be
+available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in
+the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC and is
+willing to accept connections.
+
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for
+servers to control the content of Initial packets. A client choosing an

I think it's useful to clarify that this is not about the Initial packets from the server, which are trivially controllable.

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Noticed while reading text for a different issue; this appears to be the only instance of this construction in the documents.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 19 12:29:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D677B3A0D7E for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rHijpm3Z_UcT for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F3CA3A0D7C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A635840EFD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:29:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597865378; bh=b1PKF6Esif2QsA86FHMOxX89MgP15ToM2vTpUzBWRm0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zi/Az5hJWOiS6dNQ0YDzlpHEx9lOqPcLOm/0xM1Whzw83p1RFnaJqf7xvHaMycwPO FEuMnqvcw/SHm+t4lMEtO+HwllMf3XsUCm5fHyysDWjrN/s3KlELtzvhFvVISri/R9 EfWp8Ki5gdDsHlsLicnqZW2q61eDPn0irWjLwOH0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 12:29:38 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix some of the nits in #3214 (#4016) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d7da23b4d9_1f6319642188b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:29:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d7da23b4d9_1f6319642188b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @MikeBishop commented on this pull request.=0D =0D =0D =0D > +The definition of new transport parameters ({{new-transport-parameters= }}) is=0D +REQUIRED to specify whether they MUST, MAY, or MUST NOT be stored for 0-= RTT. A=0D =0D ```suggestion=0D The definition of a new transport parameter ({{new-transport-parameters}}= ) is=0D REQUIRED to specify whether it MUST, MAY, or MUST NOT be stored for 0-RTT= . A=0D ```=0D I think the singular reads better, especially with the change in keyword.= =0D =0D > @@ -1889,7 +1891,7 @@ confirms that the client received the Initial pac= ket from the server. Once the=0D server has successfully processed a Handshake packet from the client, it= can=0D consider the client address to have been validated.=0D =0D -Additionally, a server MAY consider the client address valididated if th= e=0D +Additionally, a server MAY consider the client address validated if the=0D= =0D =F0=9F=98=84=0D =0D > -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}. Not= e that=0D -this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing I= P=0D -packet, which is not possible on all platforms.=0D =0D I'm not sure about this one. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +The definition of new transport parameter=
s ({{new-transport-parameters}}) is=0D
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RTT. A=0D
+The definition of a new transport parameter ({{new-transport-parameters}=
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+REQUIRED to specify whether it MUST, MAY, or MUST NOT be stored for 0-RT=
T. A=0D
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I think the singular reads better, especially with the change in keywo= rd.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -1889,7 +1891,7 @@ confirms that the cl=
ient received the Initial packet from the server.  Once the=0D
 server has successfully processed a Handshake packet from the client, it=
 can=0D
 consider the client address to have been validated.=0D
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-Additionally, a server MAY consider the client address valididated if th=
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+Additionally, a server MAY consider the client address validated if the=0D=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-a=
cks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that=0D
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing I=
P=0D
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.=0D
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I'm not sure about this one. IIRC, we were pretty deliberate about ad= ding this text to note that compliance with the ECN guidance was conditio= nal on OS support for doing so.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing IP
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.

Yes, added in response to #2156 (PR #2201).

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The previous paragraph seems pretty clear about exactly those points.

Endpoints MUST be able to deliver stream data to an application as an ordered byte-stream. Delivering an ordered byte-stream requires that an endpoint buffer any data that is received out of order, up to the advertised flow control limit.

I'm not seeing the issue here.

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Fixes #4019.

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In particular, different packet protection keys might be used for different versions. Servers that do not support a particular version are unlikely to be able to decrypt the payload of the packet. Servers SHOULD NOT attempt to decode or decrypt a packet from an unknown version, but instead send a Version Negotiation packet, provided that the packet is sufficiently long. I'm having trouble seeing what's needed here. The endpoint has received a packet professing to be in a version it does not understand. It can't know the semantics or encoding of any field there -- and the paragraph already explains that. Yes, I'm sure there are potential attacks in interpreting a packet of unknown provenance and unknown semantics against a different set of semantics and expectations, but I'm not convinced we need to explain them. The text recommends sending a Version Negotiation packet, which seems like the only sensible response. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The first packet for an unsupported version can use different semantics and
encodings for any version-specific field. In particular, different packet
protection keys might be used for different versions. Servers that do not
support a particular version are unlikely to be able to decrypt the payload of
the packet. Servers SHOULD NOT attempt to decode or decrypt a packet from an
unknown version, but instead send a Version Negotiation packet, provided that
the packet is sufficiently long.

I'm having trouble seeing what's needed here. The endpoint has received a packet professing to be in a version it does not understand. It can't know the semantics or encoding of any field there -- and the paragraph already explains that. Yes, I'm sure there are potential attacks in interpreting a packet of unknown provenance and unknown semantics against a different set of semantics and expectations, but I'm not convinced we need to explain them. The text recommends sending a Version Negotiation packet, which seems like the only sensible response.

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----==_mimepart_5f3d824a2335b_75c919642028de-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 13:00:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBA53A0A64 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQZQUDmj5E7h for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BDD43A0A66 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9A9560065 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:00:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597867230; bh=Zf4uqjRRPOKi2NmX9EtrWPXQvbB/xVMM4JZ/1OeKZbU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fMqjxhkqz+dis0kpbuEDGmI+vXTPytARVBie3NSaFzEJP1IMMsQ89jTKLE6JmpCP7 RSW3b4mQcaXc2KVFhxcieMkQ3Va+3pbz4fwDh1MMD5HbcSQSMmiEKtGcsZcGv3If2c mTeftsFkAx7bHkwbn/qUfGp0hdjCjJkSBaa9dvQ0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:00:30 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Client that does not PAD does not negotiate? (#4021) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d84de4f340_7efa19641797aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:00:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d84de4f340_7efa19641797aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, a client that does not pad to at least the minimum packet size for some version the server supports will not receive a Version Negotiation packet in response. The corresponding server text is in 5.2.2: > If a server receives a packet that indicates an unsupported version but is large enough to initiate a new connection for any supported version, the server SHOULD send a Version Negotiation packet as described in Section 6.1. A server MAY limit the number of packets to which it responds with a Version Negotiation packet. Servers MUST drop smaller packets that specify unsupported versions. This is both to prevent an attack vector from spoofed packets, and to reduce the risk that a non-QUIC packet will trigger Version Negotiation in response. There is a slight risk that the client might only support version of QUIC with smaller minima and the connection attempt will time out instead of discovering via VN that there are no mutually supported versions. However, if there is any overlap, compliance with this SHOULD enables the client to trigger the server's VN response. Yes, this aligns with the guidance in Section 8.1: > Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as necessary. and Section 14: > A client MUST expand the payload of all UDP datagrams carrying Initial packets to at least the smallest allowed maximum packet size (1200 bytes) by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet or by coalescing the Initial packet; see Section 12.2. > ... > A server MUST discard an Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram with a payload that is less than the smallest allowed maximum packet size of 1200 bytes. However, those are in regards to a packet from *this* QUIC version, while the text you're asking about regards packets when the peer's QUIC version is unknown as of yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Yes, a client that does not pad to at least the minimum packet size for some version the server supports will not receive a Version Negotiation packet in response. The corresponding server text is in 5.2.2:

If a server receives a packet that indicates an unsupported version but is large enough to initiate a new connection for any supported version, the server SHOULD send a Version Negotiation packet as described in Section 6.1. A server MAY limit the number of packets to which it responds with a Version Negotiation packet. Servers MUST drop smaller packets that specify unsupported versions.

This is both to prevent an attack vector from spoofed packets, and to reduce the risk that a non-QUIC packet will trigger Version Negotiation in response. There is a slight risk that the client might only support version of QUIC with smaller minima and the connection attempt will time out instead of discovering via VN that there are no mutually supported versions. However, if there is any overlap, compliance with this SHOULD enables the client to trigger the server's VN response.

Yes, this aligns with the guidance in Section 8.1:

Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as necessary.

and Section 14:

A client MUST expand the payload of all UDP datagrams carrying Initial packets to at least the smallest allowed maximum packet size (1200 bytes) by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet or by coalescing the Initial packet; see Section 12.2.
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A server MUST discard an Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram with a payload that is less than the smallest allowed maximum packet size of 1200 bytes.

However, those are in regards to a packet from this QUIC version, while the text you're asking about regards packets when the peer's QUIC version is unknown as of yet.

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From 7.4.1:

A client need not store a transport parameter it cannot process.

If the client doesn't understand a TP, it doesn't store it and ignores it.

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----==_mimepart_5f3d91b9bc3c5_742196415739f-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 13:57:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9643A0E2C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RSjONc0hh1JI for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEA423A0E2D for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D71600DF4 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:57:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597870647; bh=mZqLzo7TWhSWgTnhqP0Jl3sq4KXWxah7vUNXZRwQEOs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XGrPKLZSEzz5/AtnmWw7+tYALL7AFgUFKagOtbYw4K6/JsIMiue1gVjzhGVZaLCJi Oeb542a0n75VX/dr5w6QDkDl4TZe1CVXyAajNqe+EiWsMtc2eIHb4BPNOcUhezHd83 xPAsgd7zg7F1LVKe37yy3/kALljuYxCcvHR9gzPs= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:57:26 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Suspect this needs to not delay? (#4025) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d9236ecd89_430b19642529c4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:57:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d9236ecd89_430b19642529c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These frames aren't subject to flow control, so the only reason it would be unable to send something is congestion control. The frame that it echos back needs to be enqueued for sending; if it takes some time to actually hit the network, that's fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4025#issuecomment-676696278 ----==_mimepart_5f3d9236ecd89_430b19642529c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

These frames aren't subject to flow control, so the only reason it would be unable to send something is congestion control. The frame that it echos back needs to be enqueued for sending; if it takes some time to actually hit the network, that's fine.

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----==_mimepart_5f3d9236ecd89_430b19642529c4-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 14:00:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580383A0E32 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qTAMcOiQ9SX for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5724B3A0E31 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE3F340DE6 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597870821; bh=0FzxmIYc7m/I5kwXnM6tGYG4mbVPBiS/OnZQpBWY/IU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Bhhc69kImypIu5HdlDntFRZJ5xMhMsAO68KUE5GZ1E7vAFxcBYo/7h7anIBJKqUfI aJYplKGD4cbUqWFz/p7IEqAhMr/leZ58d18f0/oANvmeKS51YnHGyR2rbja4NVbkuV s0o3VBJmBZP0yfn1LJpfswghNAOHo/Zq/0X5aqc8= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:00:21 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] New path may not have the same RTT (#4026) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d92e55d9ba_5aca196416721"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:00:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d92e55d9ba_5aca196416721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the RTT not included in the reset of the congestion controller? > When migrating, the new path might not support the endpoint's current sending rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller, as described in Section 9.4. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4026#issuecomment-676697856 ----==_mimepart_5f3d92e55d9ba_5aca196416721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is the RTT not included in the reset of the congestion controller?

When migrating, the new path might not support the endpoint's current sending rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller, as described in Section 9.4.

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Section 9.4 reads:

"The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the
old path. Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to
congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path."

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Fixes #4026

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 19 14:50:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68FB3A0E67 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nqtPI6n7mM38 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7F4E3A0E66 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A97A900088 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597873816; bh=4z/KjSF7FO47pAhR2fwqoH0pHj4ix9V9RahOExYKUSo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=06+xRD76v1X8pPevVcvFeQdhSd1AzFdoZ/C6o41/+wvT3ndxOgXzHbQ7TEN+PHntg Shx9fpHukOFGKyGBBzifaG12Up74dRMASZ2vf3EdSVu6obgqhRJs/uOtMU9/toY4XV DZ/uK/ZevzcHoAp9PSKOj+okkXgCRrDbbkj/PeG0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:50:15 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] New path may not have the same RTT (#4026) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3d9e97ef687_48b21964348da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:50:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3d9e97ef687_48b21964348da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent a PR to add "and RTT estimate" to that sentence to make this completely clear. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I sent a PR to add "and RTT estimate" to that sentence to make this completely clear.

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@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

I don't see the point of this. The state transitions are currently only on things that move an endpoint out of that state. This transition is not one such.

I'll note that if this is to become an exhaustive FSM, that would be unreadable and not particularly useful.

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----==_mimepart_5f3d9ef4c7dd6_2bc619642428c4-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 15:10:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E11B3A0EB6 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fnCGhSxuNKXB for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38A453A0FDD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A00E560E10 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:10:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597875006; bh=C01xk5ubNruzbW20NOaBfscvwSP1Au5vWHfEWQfwzHo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Tw4ck8jd+b2wnwHmWhRVtt7YRBpPlPuB7WH7jLHDRxDkSsG6grMo8OUkoAHDuqNf8 iLrDYBx6MmFnNxYoQvdU7kzJ2DLCBqb+5bDysFp4fOvhFePk4vxQrZBw6kQyIyxJdd YWPOPfP83jTo/gJfpqyLz8TNVQegXxmiG/2OvbM4= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:10:06 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix for #3835 (#4014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3da33e56a98_5a971964754c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:10:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3da33e56a98_5a971964754c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also don't think this is necessary, but I'd like @martinthomson opinion -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4014#issuecomment-676751705 ----==_mimepart_5f3da33e56a98_5a971964754c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also don't think this is necessary, but I'd like @martinthomson opinion

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I think this is close with no action, personally.

If it's ignored, then it cannot be stored.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 19 15:42:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F3A3A0E4A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAJjurYFQCcQ for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6F283A043E for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FE05608B4 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:42:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597876964; bh=oVAZdP16qOw75oXtlX/s1GdddkmeChlo0y7pTLlovVU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N+kYMlwNEU5DacyuZrhUdu3FxYDmrX+ehEHlZZTuVSLy85tfcq0WVtlnX1H4PPRuJ EZrid4HO429x7AkcyRhUNMPfmWPwTSsaf2r77I2LJPQd+WrrDQp4W6KlUCgbKDSm6Z 4ltsui+vPz6SLZEvJg7v1t9odO/ig5Dp/w1Xkr3w= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:42:44 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Uncapped ACK Delay and RTT estimates (#4035) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3daae42727_7588196425693d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:42:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3daae42727_7588196425693d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When reported ACK Delay would cause the RTT sample to go below min_rtt, we ignore the ACK Delay. In general, I think that this provides the right incentives to report delays accurately. If the true minimum RTT is lower than the observed value, you add a few samples that are inflated by up to max_ack_delay. However...during the handshake, where we don't have an effective cap on ACK Delay, so we effectively have unbound inflation. And min_rtt is likely not well established. Should we discard these samples instead? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4035 ----==_mimepart_5f3daae42727_7588196425693d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

When reported ACK Delay would cause the RTT sample to go below min_rtt, we ignore the ACK Delay. In general, I think that this provides the right incentives to report delays accurately. If the true minimum RTT is lower than the observed value, you add a few samples that are inflated by up to max_ack_delay.

However...during the handshake, where we don't have an effective cap on ACK Delay, so we effectively have unbound inflation. And min_rtt is likely not well established. Should we discard these samples instead?

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----==_mimepart_5f3daae42727_7588196425693d-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 15:46:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91503A0EC6 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wXZUK3NCm0rP for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 829B83A0EC5 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDC69000A0 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597877192; bh=JZIhcVQcmzZDAFxL7LrAWw4JGhDHVkL8x1F3yynNf1I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RdBagS7c1Ve5GavetuSxaXPJO65TQh2T3bW0MxBaHqP97qgtJxfjAHsXe/W7EvHZO G0utnq4D9lYyoD2oSgSskhSRhZLC0GjDnXMm5YAR+zj5IW6XMZoZzx3ZySYnhe/+UY 6CBsrWDNPUxlJMsiiHkoBWilXi+cH5H5NxUpllh0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:46:32 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implying sequencing (#4018) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dabc8bf4a0_2a8219641325f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:46:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dabc8bf4a0_2a8219641325f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find this text at all. Even by searching for a substring "frames in mu" or "order to make". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4018#issuecomment-676787312 ----==_mimepart_5f3dabc8bf4a0_2a8219641325f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5f3dac81720b0_755419641990aa-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 15:51:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609783A0ECE for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:51:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1rDz7EvwK1qB for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FC523A0EC7 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9161D340076 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:51:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597877468; bh=hRMKZcfwx+BzU54sdEvgeZbmSpLn1BxoUj8KsHOFZEE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=khretEF9Ykeru5BFKE0j45K1X8AXLizfobpB5Os38Y1fFjt3urRXrfspwZKaDOEFX e26FEFvAjlOiFjm++u1WVHlAuaiQgSGVyQuRk1M7qZs4z3zRNoiuQYhTwRYaCTF++i NvluXJSfoMTUu83M7fEWhOirFd5FiiJPdJEFHlpM= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:51:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN "not quite enough" (#4022) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dacdc81be6_6408196412869d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:51:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dacdc81be6_6408196412869d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the level of support that we rely upon. If the path does not provide ECN-CE marking, that's OK, because the congestion controller responds to loss just as well as marking. If it doesn't have L4S support, that's not something we care about. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4022#issuecomment-676789101 ----==_mimepart_5f3dacdc81be6_6408196412869d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is the level of support that we rely upon. If the path does not provide ECN-CE marking, that's OK, because the congestion controller responds to loss just as well as marking. If it doesn't have L4S support, that's not something we care about.

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Closes #4025. 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Closes #4025. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036 -- Commit Summary -- * "don't delay" for PATH_RESPONSE -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036 ----==_mimepart_5f3db5f4e3fc1_671f1964126481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is the maximal version of a clarification of this text.

Closes #4025.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036

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  • "don't delay" for PATH_RESPONSE

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Thus an endpoint can migrate to a new local address without first validating the peer's address. When migrating, the new path might not support the endpoint's current sending -rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller, as described in -{{migration-cc}}. +rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller and rtt estimate, ```suggestion rate. Therefore, the endpoint resets its congestion controller and RTT estimate, ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4034#pullrequestreview-471031522 ----==_mimepart_5f3db6253cb28_75c019642152b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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This removes duplicate text and replaces it with a forward reference. Closes #4028. From nobody Wed Aug 19 16:37:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FCD3A0DAC for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6GXoYdq2QMVo for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07F2A3A0DA5 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C910900064 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:37:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597880257; bh=WqMdnb7PFTnTn8aYwa4R7rusMGc7SS0VzjcARqFn+ks=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J8q9RwkPa5rhtxkD1yDNYDAhpqcRBjUTekgGthVcnGIJD3cqYu+G1O6IQ56ricSOE HR7vBt8rszKpNQgk0tDgBJDcbUw+TEvD24I9Nek87Kv3BA1p0EnAwhVSH3W/CIFpg4 EvaYUa1KsBoUK/lH2vg74gLzlbBwg73vz0tpaGIQ= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:37:37 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] This statement is dangerous (#4027) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3db7c13ce00_1341196493296"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:37:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3db7c13ce00_1341196493296 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd suggest this is already fixed per @martinthomson comment -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'd suggest this is already fixed per @martinthomson comment

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 19 16:43:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962693A0FCA for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:43:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RsKsroVzvwHi for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 140D03A0FD8 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC96840030 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:43:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597880592; bh=vjguFt4Vl6GFHeoixRo2Moi26fwWpwucfrcvu/xVzIY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AHjFvOX7hXJZRds8WdYMozNBZgQ7vLxNMCL20dpqkzGYsud5OHcAXz3feHtaPuaP2 wtQVmlJrQ3YXq2Awbzcmx6/u5nb8LvIE1a7tf2i+k/O5cfP2YvAz+l0yjTPysJwjTq e1XyXi/lB8wOUpd9GO7rb3Z5buZ6PGcSqoQ0vBbU= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:43:12 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Uncapped ACK Delay and RTT estimates (#4035) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3db9104cf38_4b53196492732"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:43:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3db9104cf38_4b53196492732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is a potential issue, but I'd like to see this addressed in #3874 with some text to advise this is a potential issue that MAY be solved by ignoring RTT samples. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think this is a potential issue, but I'd like to see this addressed in #3874 with some text to advise this is a potential issue that MAY be solved by ignoring RTT samples.

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----==_mimepart_5f3db9104cf38_4b53196492732-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 17:02:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654543A0D87 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.693 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.693 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2A8gG2YYA31F for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9EA73A0FA7 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466667A003E for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597881742; bh=fjUsfJbl9VG8upO1FqmlgjycEFdZK6MWF2om6rGdTY0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ioA428YS4nZ5MJy5Ncd5bEtMAgqc/P4Cckj10m/6BHuf32t5WpBaLNxmvY+8Am9jj 9OgIANqq7lYgITz73vcT1L5oy5Y0v4mSjWyButrS03o8qBwSS6ClBoxCadovICrDT1 kyvn39E/nuDf1LJbaQ0jtmq/95OrOeU+J1bKUi8M= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Revalidation for ECN (#4037) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dbd8df331b_16ba19648245d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:02:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dbd8df331b_16ba19648245d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's OK to try to validate ECN again if it fails. This removes duplicate text and replaces it with a forward reference. Closes #4028. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4037 -- Commit Summary -- * Revalidation for ECN -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4037.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4037.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4037 ----==_mimepart_5f3dbd8df331b_16ba19648245d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's OK to try to validate ECN again if it fails.

This removes duplicate text and replaces it with a forward reference.

Closes #4028.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4037

Commit Summary

  • Revalidation for ECN

File Changes

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----==_mimepart_5f3dbd8df331b_16ba19648245d-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 17:02:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6A43A0FA7 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mYkh3aKIkeLi for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4FAB3A0F14 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0785C03F2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597881759; bh=g6u0sVzBN3QFSgvBttyUJyFZ5vQqGBr8oOEPN+/oPDU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o0lZXuxaaGlr3wOV8UsQhdRcGzkeymwzdc3NBHQ5DXHYPflCHMFtqEwlLuMaNeqZ3 kwTaoiv1daEpShboPGXbbtyI3ZhgtjCRRL9LJmWYsHhDRABRI9JRul7B4BW3w/0hYp +eID/6mY/GuCENQZzYzIEcEzEhSAtKKdSK+TtQV0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:02:39 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allowing QUIC to suspend ECN usage (#4028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dbd9fbdbbd_4c5319649049"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:02:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dbd9fbdbbd_4c5319649049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize, but I don't understand the "suspend" comment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4028#issuecomment-676820622 ----==_mimepart_5f3dbd9fbdbbd_4c5319649049 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I apologize, but I don't understand the "suspend" comment.

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Why would it not? QUIC generally doesn't regard retransmissions as special in any way; calling that out here would be weird.

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Closes #3902. Commit: 1110c21395abc64b475f3ef40c51e7b1e3196f97 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1110c21395abc64b475f3ef40c51e7b1e3196f97 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4003 from quicwg/split-initial-close Split conditions for Initial CONNECTION_CLOSE Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/cc444bc7f729...1110c21395ab From nobody Wed Aug 19 17:16:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01873A0FAE for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UH-DZuP6T5is for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70AEE3A0FAD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA787600079 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:16:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597882586; bh=RB5We3oTr8X6UnPFuwOCqMeERcePTGu35rx/w6PaC54=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=a5qoNy/+/3bNXIzAelJyY9cbYvsi7gzLMNGF7/24Wy85sw74iiMjMNPipJohamz0b 272rBcwuky7Wp7k84Wz1O1/pklJ9RMlgwF6XvnaHfyQ8VIVwCUtmukahX8CpCJeXRf L3zxkYy32qLAGvQyIo3DOM8fLmyGzmKuBNSHYzjI= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:16:26 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial Fix for QUIC-Transport (#3902) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dc0da9add1_780a196451536"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:16:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dc0da9add1_780a196451536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #3902 via #4003. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 19 17:18:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED4B3A0F52 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Z8G8V70Qf2Y for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0E293A0F54 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52BB340E1B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597882679; bh=dRmvdNysl6koj+tg6xvQWtbKY33dw449lQtxTES4ZAI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Hxf2ZpA/A2Z3I63ERLddt7f+Q1BcLd+WzAmGgbYVpmXTqInB8Ce5ww35fl87vWUY1 b7sBF8XKaAGy+m0OaddpPzy7ViF1CfqGDSk71OCh0Id+X841ue/MWP5KUZhOizuY4Z dbKP22oduZDEQitJyto0p3GVBHBadGDOfVtxiuoM= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:17:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance (#4005) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dc137d65dc_2bd4196464297"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:18:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dc137d65dc_2bd4196464297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion +window is at or above the slow start threshold. + +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per +congestion window acknowledged. + +When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or +when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the +congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and +enters the recovery period. Yes. This PR is intended to be a strictly editorial conversion. I hope that I have faithfully translated the text from #3978. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

Yes. This PR is intended to be a strictly editorial conversion. I hope that I have faithfully translated the text from #3978.

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What Mike said applies also. > +port reuse. An endpoint MUST NOT use an IP address and port pair for multiple +connections unless it is certain that those protocol features are not in use. This misses the zero-length connection ID qualification, which is the key point. > @@ -1232,7 +1232,9 @@ cannot be reverted. Valid packets sent to clients always include a Destination Connection ID that matches a value the client selects. Clients that choose to receive zero-length connection IDs can use the local address and port to identify a -connection. Packets that do not match an existing connection are discarded. +connection. 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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f3dc2b77e31_505e19641021ed-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 17:28:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F523A0FBE for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:28:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J_TUF4pyrzwd for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C6883A0FBD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c73936b.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c73936b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.13]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32B65C059C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:28:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597883322; bh=RERq2tFzF94ZYCapKju3klTCJubiQX072Iw0+Nms/EA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XgWlxZd1fp/M0n5p9hk2B5HNbNaWsYJy/HYnF8rKXOWCOmf6wGLYTO/9H8HhspNMT FCUQ3hY7WJTuKrR6uesa8y84EyPhfyc/04msbwjpHDT05iT09TMxIIlDqjMTiiYZMW /BvL7XZiwK3Y+FuPw20qKF8VQeKOk0556GLtTFvI= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:28:42 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix for #3835 (#4014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dc3ba8dff2_7f41196445911"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:28:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dc3ba8dff2_7f41196445911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson requested changes on this pull request. I didn't want to do this. I believe that more now that I've seen this. These are both wrong, which demonstrates how this is non-trivial. That's why this was originally limited to transitions. > + | Recv STREAM / STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED / RESET_STREAM + | Create Bidirectional Stream (Sending) + | Recv MAX_STREAM_DATA / STOP_SENDING (Bidirectional) + | Create Higher-Numbered Stream + v + +-------+ + | Recv | Recv RESET_STREAM + +->| |-----------------------. +Recv | +-------+ | +STREAM | | | | + +----+ | Recv STREAM + FIN | + v | + +-------+ | + | Size | Recv RESET_STREAM | + | Known |---------------------->| + +-------+ | You receive STREAM frames here as well. > + +->| |-----------------------. +Recv | +-------+ | +STREAM | | | | + +----+ | Recv STREAM + FIN | + v | + +-------+ | + | Size | Recv RESET_STREAM | + | Known |---------------------->| + +-------+ | + | | + | Recv All Data | + v v + +-------+ Recv RESET_STREAM +-------+ + | Data |--- (optional) --->| Reset | + | Recvd | Recv All Data | Recvd | + +-------+<-- (optional) ----+-------+ And here, in case of reordering or spurious retransmission. > + | STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED | + | | + | Peer Creates | + | Bidirectional Stream | + v | + +-------+ | + | Send | Send RESET_STREAM | + +-->| |---------------------->| +Send | +-------+ | +STREAM | | | | + +-----+ | Send STREAM + FIN | + v v + +-------+ +-------+ + | Data | Send RESET_STREAM | Reset | + | Sent |------------------>| Sent | + +-------+ +-------+ You send STREAM frames here too when packets get declared lost. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4014#pullrequestreview-471049698 ----==_mimepart_5f3dc3ba8dff2_7f41196445911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I didn't want to do this. I believe that more now that I've seen this. These are both wrong, which demonstrates how this is non-trivial. That's why this was originally limited to transitions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +              | Recv STREAM / STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED / RESET_STREAM
+              | Create Bidirectional Stream (Sending)
+              | Recv MAX_STREAM_DATA / STOP_SENDING (Bidirectional)
+              | Create Higher-Numbered Stream
+              v
+          +-------+
+          | Recv  | Recv RESET_STREAM
+       +->|       |-----------------------.
+Recv   |  +-------+                       |
+STREAM |    | |                           |
+       +----+ | Recv STREAM + FIN         |
+              v                           |
+          +-------+                       |
+          | Size  | Recv RESET_STREAM     |
+          | Known |---------------------->|
+          +-------+                       |

You receive STREAM frames here as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +       +->|       |-----------------------.
+Recv   |  +-------+                       |
+STREAM |    | |                           |
+       +----+ | Recv STREAM + FIN         |
+              v                           |
+          +-------+                       |
+          | Size  | Recv RESET_STREAM     |
+          | Known |---------------------->|
+          +-------+                       |
+              |                           |
+              | Recv All Data             |
+              v                           v
+          +-------+ Recv RESET_STREAM +-------+
+          | Data  |--- (optional) --->| Reset |
+          | Recvd |  Recv All Data    | Recvd |
+          +-------+<-- (optional) ----+-------+

And here, in case of reordering or spurious retransmission.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +               |      STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED  |
+               |                           |
+               | Peer Creates              |
+               |      Bidirectional Stream |
+               v                           |
+           +-------+                       |
+           | Send  | Send RESET_STREAM     |
+       +-->|       |---------------------->|
+Send   |   +-------+                       |
+STREAM |     | |                           |
+       +-----+ | Send STREAM + FIN         |
+               v                           v
+           +-------+                   +-------+
+           | Data  | Send RESET_STREAM | Reset |
+           | Sent  |------------------>| Sent  |
+           +-------+                   +-------+

You send STREAM frames here too when packets get declared lost.

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It seems to me that people want the current simple pseudocode rather than complex code with corner cases removed. So, let's close this hoping that new programmers would refer to this issue when necessary.

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----==_mimepart_5f3dd12acd56a_31dc19641289d9-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 18:53:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABF23A101E for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKHqQa_EunBd for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0D3C3A1018 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FCB34001C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:53:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597888395; bh=db9+7IsKYklcN+NRWCUFwHUSCDrkDYOXj/XDb51YnMA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ofr2xskfJjG5Xh6eVy8xGpI+JShKtQwlJVtzGvbF4J0z8BzbEiss6zC1LGr2yvmeV MhLA/0q4+TI/lJgP0hR68kJ5Rd0PnfHn5N+AAGBt5BRPDIv8UMXO5tIYRf3EzfFgog QGvdPVuG4jKzXmOx4LPst47gDiTi7SlQQ+rl3c70= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 18:53:15 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance (#4005) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dd78bb42eb_35d119642893dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:53:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dd78bb42eb_35d119642893dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson This is a very good change. Why don't you include the diagram in #4005. I drew the same diagram when I tried to understand the recovery draft. :-) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4005#issuecomment-676849391 ----==_mimepart_5f3dd78bb42eb_35d119642893dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson This is a very good change. Why don't you include the diagram in #4005. I drew the same diagram when I tried to understand the recovery draft. :-)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1232,7 +1232,9 @@ cannot be reverted.
 Valid packets sent to clients always include a Destination Connection ID that
 matches a value the client selects.  Clients that choose to receive
 zero-length connection IDs can use the local address and port to identify a
-connection.  Packets that do not match an existing connection are discarded.
+connection.  Packets that do not match an existing connection, based on
+Destination Connection ID or, if zero-length, local IP address and port,

"this value is"

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----==_mimepart_5f3de03bb9106_19ea196414397d-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 19:55:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0103A1089 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2YJD-VXk4d77 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F00813A1088 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249E084005C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597892153; bh=EF0ith72QuoUVpny8cKaPiPx9N7Ed4fwP0sorSPCCaE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l/ctMY+nDD/Pv/A2E/juo2rD14Q3pUCdGJnZQS0R2lbCuzu1PucfsOnXE7ZP+s7zo AWhIdadrLN/VW7uDPO2SxKbxfkqGjI5ZbtFFuuQXKQjf7hrZhzlytbyGaG20LJg/HI hOg4RNF3pF/ZQzkJ7V0ULEMMTQmzyn5QRGsaavP0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:55:53 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixing max_ack_delay (#3938) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3de63913a0d_5aa419641909c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:55:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3de63913a0d_5aa419641909c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that I am still confused. In recovery, `max_ack_delay` is used in three places: - RTT calculation - PTO calculation - Persistent congestion Sec 18.2 of transport says that `max_ack_delay` is default to 25ms and updated if a peer specifies the TP. Sec 13.2.1 of transport says there is a special rule: "For Initial and Handshake packets, a max_ack_delay of 0 is used." According to the context, this rule is applied to both RTT calculation and PTO calculation. In the pseudocode of recovery, `max_ack_delay` is set to 0 initially. But I think that 25ms should be used for persistent congestion. The special rule is use for PTO calculation, which is good. But RTT calculation just depends on the initial value of 0. Isn't it necessary to consider packet number space? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3938#issuecomment-676892583 ----==_mimepart_5f3de63913a0d_5aa419641909c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that I am still confused.

In recovery, max_ack_delay is used in three places:

  • RTT calculation
  • PTO calculation
  • Persistent congestion

Sec 18.2 of transport says that max_ack_delay is default to 25ms and updated if a peer specifies the TP.

Sec 13.2.1 of transport says there is a special rule: "For Initial and Handshake packets, a max_ack_delay of 0 is used." According to the context, this rule is applied to both RTT calculation and PTO calculation.

In the pseudocode of recovery, max_ack_delay is set to 0 initially. But I think that 25ms should be used for persistent congestion.

The special rule is use for PTO calculation, which is good.

But RTT calculation just depends on the initial value of 0. Isn't it necessary to consider packet number space?

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@ianswett @janaiyengar I would like to hear your opinions about the suggestion above.

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----==_mimepart_5f3dea5f31fbf_501b19641057e9-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 20:29:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C12C3A10B2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:29:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WpFlHF_U53_K for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55F9E3A10B0 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3B2900050 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:29:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597894195; bh=DBBiAmd1OdydL6p+/TzL/iJ8hi4nKbqccjCyuWLITRs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ds+4OQEqtq710v1er7m6WEgEg9cB2zY9cUtyLHekK6wT6xWE9Nwixxrrs/G+hQGCp vCIgLz7bHbMI1LzScMnC3r4SLi484Qp+rKuz8VjylzK2YCs5knhp/hGYWv96TCrvkJ D2UcHIXXWoTFjvgjLxWFlKn7UOHXRMwEnAxLu8fU= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:29:55 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixing max_ack_delay (#3938) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3dee333b615_229f19641508dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:29:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3dee333b615_229f19641508dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazu-yamamoto Nice catch regarding inconsistencies. > In the pseudocode of recovery, `max_ack_delay` is set to 0 initially. Maybe this is the only error that we have? I think it might be a good idea to * remove this initialization from the pseudo code, and * within the definition of `max_ack_delay` at [A.3 of recovery](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-a.3), add a reference to the Transport Parameter definition in the transport doc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3938#issuecomment-676942748 ----==_mimepart_5f3dee333b615_229f19641508dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazu-yamamoto Nice catch regarding inconsistencies.

In the pseudocode of recovery, max_ack_delay is set to 0 initially.

Maybe this is the only error that we have? I think it might be a good idea to

  • remove this initialization from the pseudo code, and
  • within the definition of max_ack_delay at A.3 of recovery, add a reference to the Transport Parameter definition in the transport doc.

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Right, the problem is that this PR doesn't exhaustively list all loops, but doing so will make this state machine unreadable and useless. The existing FSM shows transitions out of a state, not all the ones that keep the endpoint within that state.

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This has been around for a week now and I've heard no serious concerns but a fair bit of support. I'm marking this proposal-ready.

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There isn't a "default". The sentence up there was in fact added later to allow endpoints to deliver out of order. As @MikeBishop notes, the para before it says that in-order is necessary. We aren't requiring anything of the API, so a default delivery mode does not make sense.

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@kazu-yamamoto, I think that you might want to look at #4010. If you could review that, it might help.

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----==_mimepart_5f3df96cbbc57_102b196439443-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 21:48:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424193A0B6B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id npAPt7WgT--n for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30B783A0B6A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1dbcc59.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1dbcc59.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083C1560031 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:48:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597898919; bh=tI1w9hfkXPmL0v9nPCFTHWPwPyemmVVPXTpwIs7ezUs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HzemuU9d2si+8P0YVsT5U+d1EGy8NGtxJ7hyKA/LVbw1WvsiduyhtogoutPaBVT7v yyKwb30bAkpI6I8IMCMOuHzq19vQ/CS56ds/n2oGEQQ0GHzKttUDPnVG4iozRdIzgX TQPiGFVN1xHKFqI8HNw4eRgRR+BtdGH/ei2YgBzY= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:48:38 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Uncapped ACK Delay and RTT estimates (#4035) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e00a6ec879_32e81964675823"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:48:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e00a6ec879_32e81964675823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy to have this rolled into #3874 as long as we can do so expediently. I don't want a design issue floating around after this next batch of consensus calls. @janaiyengar do you think that something could be done? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4035#issuecomment-677057747 ----==_mimepart_5f3e00a6ec879_32e81964675823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Happy to have this rolled into #3874 as long as we can do so expediently. I don't want a design issue floating around after this next batch of consensus calls. @janaiyengar do you think that something could be done?

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----==_mimepart_5f3e00a6ec879_32e81964675823-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 22:16:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEC63A0141 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:16:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6FtYale64gDG for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937ED3A012A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01445E020B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597900604; bh=z0o5O3sd6zT0BihxZZh+gQ/TXqNsR3Cxd8tq6Bur5ms=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TW+p29cJdCDkSPhwr/asmO7bxgHAt7W/j9OcE90M3oM+esy2By/UK0OpUzPof0Bpt B73//1dx8Ji3MR/83b4MQSiIXpf8kpaAP1sSfXagGtaYQRwah8D5PZffwII+z2b83B 87m9UbXQAuuhFJX+1fV46P4IB3W/wS4pwgiFJ4V0= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:16:44 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Uncapped ACK Delay and RTT estimates (#4035) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e073cab2fa_5abf1964201868"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:16:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e073cab2fa_5abf1964201868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to think that if we are going to have some advice, it would be something like "MAY ignore the first ACK sample for Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces." IIRC, @ianswett suggested something like that somewhere. Though, if we are going to have something like that, I think we also need to state that using a bad RTT sample might still better than relying on initial RTT of 333ms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4035#issuecomment-677102320 ----==_mimepart_5f3e073cab2fa_5abf1964201868 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I tend to think that if we are going to have some advice, it would be something like "MAY ignore the first ACK sample for Handshake and ApplicationData packet number spaces." IIRC, @ianswett suggested something like that somewhere.

Though, if we are going to have something like that, I think we also need to state that using a bad RTT sample might still better than relying on initial RTT of 333ms.

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  • remove this initialization from the pseudo code, and

Agreed.

  • within the definition of max_ack_delay at A.3 of recovery, add a reference to the Transport Parameter definition in the transport doc.

@janaiyengar suggested a good text. I'm planning to adopt it.

It seems to me that you assume that the calculation of smooth RTT in the pseudocode is correct. If it is correct, I think Sec 13.2.1 of transport should say that the special rule is only applied to RTO calculation, not to RTT calculation.

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@martinthomson Thanks. I will try to review it.

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  • 952952a Martin's concern in #4035

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----==_mimepart_5f3e0a536cd84_6edf19644545bb-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 22:30:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4933A0522 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:30:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ydF2zUAbnx6V for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E4423A0475 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8840A340E29 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597901417; bh=JIW0nVD7dcvpMt37Ny6YM5iWwsQjDHqaRTLlv+R7XQg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O3C5fsHw1l3YkI6RjQrWWX8i9xJtWiWeOXNiv8ZCzOARbrlqmBUjYf327gPA8M3JB 4/7DnqUA0HfdBGT8gQjFqFxU9aeQTC2p0229+0tdhxuAjbhxSEPc6eSKtqtIMQWXKa g8B5v4DRnYRlzSCP2onwMbHffbGAeIXfnIjSc1nQ= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:30:17 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixing max_ack_delay (#3938) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e0a69798d6_6d0d1964270231"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:30:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e0a69798d6_6d0d1964270231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If it is correct, I think Sec 13.2.1 of transport should say that the special rule is only applied to RTO calculation, not to RTT calculation. I think that the pseudo code gives you what the transport draft says. When processing an Initial or a Handshake packet, `ack_delay` being passed to the UpdateRtt function of the pseudo code is always set to zero. That effectively eliminates the side effect caused by a non-zero `max_ack_delay`. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3938#issuecomment-677141111 ----==_mimepart_5f3e0a69798d6_6d0d1964270231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If it is correct, I think Sec 13.2.1 of transport should say that the special rule is only applied to RTO calculation, not to RTT calculation.

I think that the pseudo code gives you what the transport draft says. When processing an Initial or a Handshake packet, ack_delay being passed to the UpdateRtt function of the pseudo code is always set to zero. That effectively eliminates the side effect caused by a non-zero max_ack_delay.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e0a69798d6_6d0d1964270231-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 22:42:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012223A077A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.006 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.006 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzPD-OUBEo-U for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE07C3A0772 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8461580E71 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:42:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597902139; bh=XJ45ZRkYSUaSP8zAiyFC+a/Eo098VOE9uSEMCZAbDKU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eqguv2Vclk9C2nqhJBNEciVpUME3DJ8pLAkserc3SJuOcEnkJpBMxxRcszv89hPBh lH6qxG/9dCOrJbE9NuiJTN6Ao56HbsDG+IlsTFflnAndVei7PDtlr46kqNHn1NIfOk cj6oVAFfArUuDAxaHf5LQSfbYRB0Yklb8LNsQDv4= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:42:18 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixing max_ack_delay (#3938) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e0d3aa2070_a7d1964634648"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:42:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e0d3aa2070_a7d1964634648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. I understand. But honestly, it is difficult at least for me to understand the intention of the pseudocode. If `UpdateRTT` had a guard clause where `ack_delay` is set to 0 if the packet space is Initial or Handshake, it would much help. But this function does not take the packet space as argument, sigh. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3938#issuecomment-677174800 ----==_mimepart_5f3e0d3aa2070_a7d1964634648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

OK. I understand. But honestly, it is difficult at least for me to understand the intention of the pseudocode. If UpdateRTT had a guard clause where ack_delay is set to 0 if the packet space is Initial or Handshake, it would much help. But this function does not take the packet space as argument, sigh.

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The endpoint can therefore use them without limiting them to the max_ack_delay, avoiding unnecessary inflation of the RTT estimate. +Ignoring max_ack_delay at the beginning of the connection can lead to a +substantially inflated smoothed_rtt. Therefore, prior to handshake confirmation, I do not think that this sentence is correct. Ignoring `max_ack_delay` is a way to prevent inflation of SRTT. The problem here is that ignoring `max_ack_delay` is not enough, if `min_rtt` is not established. > +The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses RTT samples after adjusting them for +acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field of +the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. + +The peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's +max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). To +account for this, the endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake +is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). When they occur, these large +acknowledgement delays are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the +handshake. The endpoint can therefore use them without limiting them to the +max_ack_delay, avoiding unnecessary inflation of the RTT estimate. + +Ignoring max_ack_delay at the beginning of the connection can lead to a +substantially inflated smoothed_rtt. Therefore, prior to handshake confirmation, +an endpoint MAY ignore RTT samples if subtracting the acknowledgement delay +causes the sample to be less than the min_rtt. I'm not sure if I follow this sentence. I thought that adjusted_rtt can never become smaller than min_rtt, and that would continue to be the case with this PR? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -348,6 +348,11 @@ acknowledgement delays are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the
 handshake. The endpoint can therefore use them without limiting them to the
 max_ack_delay, avoiding unnecessary inflation of the RTT estimate.
 
+Ignoring max_ack_delay at the beginning of the connection can lead to a
+substantially inflated smoothed_rtt. Therefore, prior to handshake confirmation,

I do not think that this sentence is correct. Ignoring max_ack_delay is a way to prevent inflation of SRTT. The problem here is that ignoring max_ack_delay is not enough, if min_rtt is not established.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +The calculation of smoothed_rtt uses RTT samples after adjusting them for
+acknowledgement delays. These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field of
+the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+
+The peer might report acknowledgement delays that are larger than the peer's
+max_ack_delay during the handshake (Section 13.2.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). To
+account for this, the endpoint SHOULD ignore max_ack_delay until the handshake
+is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). When they occur, these large
+acknowledgement delays are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the
+handshake. The endpoint can therefore use them without limiting them to the
+max_ack_delay, avoiding unnecessary inflation of the RTT estimate.
+
+Ignoring max_ack_delay at the beginning of the connection can lead to a
+substantially inflated smoothed_rtt. Therefore, prior to handshake confirmation,
+an endpoint MAY ignore RTT samples if subtracting the acknowledgement delay
+causes the sample to be less than the min_rtt.

I'm not sure if I follow this sentence. I thought that adjusted_rtt can never become smaller than min_rtt, and that would continue to be the case with this PR?

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I've added some text in #3874 (commit) that should capture this point.

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@kazu-yamamoto pushed 3 commits.

  • 76f3262 adopting Jana's suggestion.
  • 3d56267 removing the initialization code of max_ack_delay.
  • 175a16c adding a comment about ack_delay.

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I updated this PR. Please review this again.

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I'm fine with dropping this - I just wanted to move the resolution along by preparing a PR that demonstrated (part of, I guess) the changes needed. @ekr?

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@larseggert commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The definition of new transport parameters ({{new-transport-parameters}}) is
+REQUIRED to specify whether they MUST, MAY, or MUST NOT be stored for 0-RTT. A

No, MUST == REQUIRED. (I think you are thinking of RECOMMENDED?)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing IP
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +port reuse. An endpoint MUST NOT use an IP address and port pair for multiple
+connections unless it is certain that those protocol features are not in use.

Tried to address this.

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@janaiyengar Thank you for the changes. The updated text looks good to me.

  • it explains how ack-delay can entirely be ignored,
  • it talks about ack-delay, rather than max_ack_delay (ack-delay of 24ms can still be substantially large compared to actual RTT), and
  • the advice uses "can", implying that there could be other ways of working around the problem.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e1bb090786_35fa1964223560-- From nobody Wed Aug 19 23:47:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A0C3A08B0 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6c4hlbw4HhwN for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06F043A08AB for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D2856058F for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:47:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597906036; bh=NxRfg7G0vTbZLETgt4ELI1zTpVUgc85z/oZHm/pnQpM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uvT08I7+2NtNRuhGwVHCy+vMn9O9NYIAFTn6XyNFS1nxFTR/2hHAx9TDrnFwucVjC yT/x/bW0FjsQPKStFDEWOXTeUr1JvklfIXg9oFiFANLmV3Fkc25fHJ39g45htAFqWF fOABMI/1wou+9Yzs+Q4GlRnF4/O7CoUoXwf4fVNw= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:47:16 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion pseudocode to match text (#4010) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e1c7422d03_10a319643746e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:47:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e1c7422d03_10a319643746e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazu-yamamoto commented on this pull request. > - // first RTT sample. - if (is first RTT sample): - return false +InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets): + // Consider lost packets across all packet number spaces. + pc_lost.append(lost_packets) + + // Disregard packets sent prior to getting an RTT sample. + assert(first_rtt_sample != 0) + for lost in pc_lost: + if lost.time_sent <= first_rtt_sample: + pc_lost.remove(lost) + + // Find the largest contiguous set of lost packets that + // starts and ends with an ack-eliciting packet. + (first, last) = FindLargestContiguousLoss(pc_lost) I cannot imagine how to detect contiguity for all packet spaces. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010#pullrequestreview-471289880 ----==_mimepart_5f3e1c7422d03_10a319643746e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -  // first RTT sample.
-  if (is first RTT sample):
-    return false
+InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets):
+  // Consider lost packets across all packet number spaces.
+  pc_lost.append(lost_packets)
+
+  // Disregard packets sent prior to getting an RTT sample.
+  assert(first_rtt_sample != 0)
+  for lost in pc_lost:
+    if lost.time_sent <= first_rtt_sample:
+      pc_lost.remove(lost)
+
+  // Find the largest contiguous set of lost packets that
+  // starts and ends with an ack-eliciting packet.
+  (first, last) = FindLargestContiguousLoss(pc_lost)

I cannot imagine how to detect contiguity for all packet spaces.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
     max_ack_delay
-  congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
-  // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
-  // largest newly lost packet, including the edges and
-  // across all packet number spaces, are marked lost.
-  return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, congestion_period)
+  pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+  return (last.time_sent - first.time_sent) > pc_period

From the recovery draft, it is not certain which is correct, > or >=.

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It would be necessary to use much resource to implement the detection of persistent congestion described here because of "across all packet spaces". So, let me ask a basic question. What is the motivation to define persistent congestion across all packet spaces? Isn't it good enough to limit persistent congestion only to 1-RTT?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
     max_ack_delay
-  congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
-  // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
-  // largest newly lost packet, including the edges and
-  // across all packet number spaces, are marked lost.
-  return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost, congestion_period)
+  pc_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
+  return (last.time_sent - first.time_sent) > pc_period

#3961 says "exceed". So, > should be correct.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing IP
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.

But if the platform doesn't allow access to the ECN bits, the QUIC stack will not be able to use ECN at all. So why scope this to an endpoint?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3892,6 +3889,7 @@ errors are detected.
 Endpoints validate ECN for packets sent on each network path independently.  An
 endpoint thus validates ECN on new connection establishment, when switching to a
 server's preferred address, and on active connection migration to a new path.
+If validation fails, an endpoint could also periodically attempt validation.

Why is this a could. Ignoring ECN is inappropriate and dangerous to the health of other flows. (If a flow received CE-marks it could reasonably assume ECN is working, if it see nothing it needs at some point to recheck this works.)

I'd expect this to be needed: Why therefore is this not a SHOULD?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3843,11 +3843,8 @@ instead of dropping it.  Endpoints react to congestion by reducing their sending
 rate in response, as described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
 To use ECN, QUIC endpoints first determine whether a path supports ECN marking
-and the peer is able to access the ECN codepoint in the IP header.  A network
-path does not support ECN if ECN marked packets get dropped or ECN markings are
-rewritten on the path. An endpoint validates the use of ECN on the path, both
-during connection establishment and when migrating to a new path
-({{migration}}).
+and the peer is able to access the ECN codepoint in the IP header; see
+{{ecn-validation}}.

I think the new text is wrong. Support by the endpoint isn't sufficient. The path validation is required to use ECN, and this spec needs to say this for each new path.

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Yes - this includes other uses of the network.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e2b9b827c5_33ca19642648d9-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 00:54:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE903A09B0 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:54:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a9J2lDrRKBsQ for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 037703A09AB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508A3600D94 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:54:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597910095; bh=9lJGyBfSYg23SNa0LxKs9MhTjsSq2hNluplQeUZZNrE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bjhUi3VjOEcd0s9Vlx7XLsBlpH3YagshPZHnf1jsRr8G80WeQmN1HxOfRAscuMvZh utuVZJyRJRNrHnawFqxKt4jo35ZRb5rlG2BNXbBPYmIVgbp8Nx4gjfk8E2CtSz16K0 Q/Hk0VT29tV0baSfO6VXliXK+hSLy6hTO0uFPW8M= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:54:55 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework section on persistent congestion (#3961) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e2c4f40b2c_23419642477ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 07:54:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e2c4f40b2c_23419642477ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazu-yamamoto I'm not sure if the amount of state an endpoint needs to retain changes depending on if persistent congestion is a connection-wide event. FWIW, we had some discussion regarding the complexity in #3939, and my take is https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3939#issuecomment-662808337. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3961#issuecomment-677437685 ----==_mimepart_5f3e2c4f40b2c_23419642477ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@kazu-yamamoto I'm not sure if the amount of state an= endpoint needs to retain changes depending on if persistent congestion i= s a connection-wide event. FWIW, we had some discussion regarding the com= plexity in #3939, and my take is #3939 (comment).

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= ----==_mimepart_5f3e2c4f40b2c_23419642477ac-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 00:59:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92C03A09B1 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:59:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWCREX2CXxN6 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A82AA3A085A for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6878401FF for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:59:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597910358; bh=jllb32M3CAC8ws4rhkB2fXnQRWSkCwtq21UtNdDDP90=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mh/QhuZGD4UyYkHxoyerMWGazmuf8Mq4YoZEBJvb5hweAfXlHP/ouChfy/QwoJaoG hdU4YHtxhlV+um3SqFTIcP4Vmk5P7IeOE38Q2fps3NAkiaRqwu9kvWzEu6X5glGzMs WNRS341uEGddb16ixCKOptSLrWw8zwZCx/P1g+JI= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 00:59:18 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN "not quite enough" (#4022) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e2d56d0c23_5a7f196427342c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 07:59:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e2d56d0c23_5a7f196427342c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No. I think this is not the same understanding of what it means to say "verify support for ECN". What I see as validation, is the act of setting a CE code point and seeing this echoed by the remote endpoint. To me this can be done at the sending endpoint and the resulting ECN feedback can safely ignored from a CC perspective when it refers to the packet was intentionally CE-marked. (This does not confirm the devices on path observe or remark, simply that if a known CE-mark is inserted by the sender, this is in fact observed by the receiver and generates a response to the sender. I agree that knowledge whether the path updates ECT-marks is not a part of the spec.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4022#issuecomment-677440399 ----==_mimepart_5f3e2d56d0c23_5a7f196427342c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

No. I think this is not the same understanding of what it means to say "verify support for ECN". What I see as validation, is the act of setting a CE code point and seeing this echoed by the remote endpoint. To me this can be done at the sending endpoint and the resulting ECN feedback can safely ignored from a CC perspective when it refers to the packet was intentionally CE-marked.

(This does not confirm the devices on path observe or remark, simply that if a known CE-mark is inserted by the sender, this is in fact observed by the receiver and generates a response to the sender. I agree that knowledge whether the path updates ECT-marks is not a part of the spec.)

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I agree with the logic in this thread, but this seems far too subtle/clever and others will be confused at this point. However, I read this as the remote checks that the minimum size is sufficient. That means not padding this breaks the protocol. Why doesn't that require a MUST for any version (sec 14). If it doesn't then this doesn't yet explain under what cases the present "SHOULD" can be violated.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e30d68d2c9_3a6f196449624f-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:23:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA723A09D9 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WPcIeafL1HHZ for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 847583A09D4 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648BE1EE3 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:23:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597911782; bh=xrCCCUr5nSlxJ+QA6mWFY+tA5e6qg+v8LdR5RcFb6l4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A4Lr85tSPN4gB+Bx9SNfLNmIimRD7OOH77EBYdjQWiO6rjjiJHqzaY4g4TGuyRu/W 6vl9Fwd8K3eFtT2vRDyvn+h6rgvS6FnRcjaMlPGMKyLJiYH/6zHwDw0yQ55IiVOFKg zKavs7xmwW/9ZSa2aX68dRIEeF7si8P3R+x3h2u0= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:23:02 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implying sequencing (#4018) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e32e6a6a9d_5908196431677"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:23:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e32e6a6a9d_5908196431677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This particular text appears to have been edited, thanks. There's still other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... this might be misread as an ordering requirement, but I think is intend to be: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./ and /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... seem like /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./ This also is potentially misread: /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data in order to cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./ and could be /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data that cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./ and perhaps this also: /An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data in order to force the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./ would be clearer as /An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data so that it forces the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4018#issuecomment-677454242 ----==_mimepart_5f3e32e6a6a9d_5908196431677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This particular text appears to have been edited, thanks.

There's still other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding:

/Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... this might be misread as an ordering requirement, but I think is intend to be: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./

and
/Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... seem like /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./

This also is potentially misread: /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data in order to cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./ and could be /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data that cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./

and perhaps this also:
/An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data in order to force the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./ would be clearer as /An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data so that it forces the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./

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----==_mimepart_5f3e32e6a6a9d_5908196431677-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:26:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B713A09D9 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:26:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AksTlU-ohmXg for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C43D53A084E for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126FF5C0E4C for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:26:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597911999; bh=dLTksZYXxTZC6hSGrCQMKPp3Jow+tojq+Zl4/49EPNU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nviTyEcyGadB8l1uN5sll5T/CVpn8AEm4RMEs8ZTYcHQEv1Psmq/1dt8NRVcLqtWM eqcBpArc8rwEOeWByT3cYY9Ch0TFUKAeD6EzuNsrrfxvWX3lDQ2gDglinz5oxb4ECD KhIKK+idNYExcZD1+m2dU4oo9mY6Em+nHKLNEwHw= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:26:38 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implying sequencing (#4018) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e33bee713a_17d919644540f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:26:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e33bee713a_17d919644540f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gorryfair, you *please* need to open new issues for these things, one for each. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4018#issuecomment-677455889 ----==_mimepart_5f3e33bee713a_17d919644540f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gorryfair, you please need to open new issues for these things, one for each.

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This was a question, close with no action is fine.

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Closed #4024.

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WFM, and resolves the original NiT.

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Seems resolved by the PR

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So would a resolution be "An end point can verify support for ECN by observing whether the ACK frames acknowledging the first packets it sends carry ECN counters"?

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For the benefit of others reviewing this: This seems to refer to 8.4 Path Validation Responses.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2174,8 +2174,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
-On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond by echoing the
+data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.  An
+endpoint MUST NOT delay transmission of a packet containing a PATH_RESPONSE
+frame unless constrained by congestion control.

Can you actually be constrained by congestion control on a new path?

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@gorryfair commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing IP
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.

OK! SO what I intended to be clear about was if a platform can't receive ECN marks, then use of ECN can't be enabled to this endpoint.

I too would like to leave the note.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e36ea5c2a4_2043196420618-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:41:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5113A09FD for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lH6UnAiQ3hYT for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A2CA3A09F1 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3466F900401 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:41:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597912878; bh=n8bQBmFu/+1DBKtFKSEx9rasCoWS5Bavr9ycnhqvTCo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jAzF8uB5aOCJA9sL4CY4mmQ1M1qcjglT1w4gYk6wJ4vm/CdnaMQzIESxHEiCAt6bK 9JOrE1jZOYfYCmvCDYI/cAo+lkU49SM7wDiqlBb8eW1KXE8pZzAK6XGYIPusQHAnMo HBLjyCj3iVE+nsCcHTYe2k6IbxpnTf6MPEsA1f8o= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:41:18 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] This seems like tuning (#4020) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e372e25c5c_770019644457f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:41:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e372e25c5c_770019644457f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This refers to [5.2.2 Server Packet Handling](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-server-packet-handling). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4020#issuecomment-677462649 ----==_mimepart_5f3e372e25c5c_770019644457f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5f3e372e25c5c_770019644457f8-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:44:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836113A0A34 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:44:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fQ3WDjn3pULt for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D8343A0A2D for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D825E0F18 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:44:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597913065; bh=vSU5mUkICbquwnK0S4f+hm+Rlyb4chp6aLIskfaL2iw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iAyAnc0UxxtfULwAkNQCM61njNEPZioYTibPF9CNgGQuEOLixA6xaeWtc9p9fOzDh M22xVjfJZhE9h+i7q5D6ozYYIRCCsdPgs70AVKHCtZoKDvTFIBlcRLRGmbrljoXwcz nTDDSPUvjIwO6KPNfODeJ01aYkR412sqQ1MHxFlI= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:44:25 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "in order" might be misunderstood as an ordering requirement (1) (#4038) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e37e962d5f_28c51964157499"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:44:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e37e962d5f_28c51964157499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... this might be misread as an ordering requirement, but I think is intend to be: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4038 ----==_mimepart_5f3e37e962d5f_28c51964157499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding:

/Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... this might be misread as an ordering requirement, but I think is intend to be: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./

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----==_mimepart_5f3e37e962d5f_28c51964157499-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:45:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2921F3A0A35 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snlivoQPo6n9 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12F853A0A34 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c73936b.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c73936b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.13]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0175E0F7F for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:45:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597913124; bh=a9XS/d8Q6DCwdvJ4UoPvy4FGvYPtjv/L90RWTOMeO4s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y01vuvLzb/XtFOWgvqEWfWNVUt5Nb0wA5/63qitSUmfmdFtATFIkdVeU7kqZhFn/Y LXgd4EgZ+q7DFIvVTnQOdA/kvH64TKZcIH3JHKM9jf1LUu7q1vAW079U536tAAXpR5 0oqP/XH94nQf9RALLwUvx7opidn0nI2idecfdDUQ= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:45:24 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "in order" might be misunderstood as an ordering requirement (2) (#4039) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e38242afc9_43b01964277656"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:45:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e38242afc9_43b01964277656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding: /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... seem like /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4039 ----==_mimepart_5f3e38242afc9_43b01964277656 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding:

/Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet./ ... seem like /Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet./

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----==_mimepart_5f3e38242afc9_43b01964277656-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:46:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8A73A0A2D for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3f-_OJjvKVu for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73F593A0A35 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C46900092 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:46:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597913179; bh=AEtyEmXmYBmFAaQbGbFscNDRbUEb7F0MKWIxm295Vpw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=euCjwRQk8qJfvTRrZ0RWLy+WfKOMGgkDm0+KNomUkb/WSqx/vj+b7gSjdLR0TGE5v OquI7YrMskAkS58a/mQRaAl1DsrP7gdPb3tkhfMSKc0M+UCkmByW3R6KXOsSPgrBA+ VBlfX1KCTHQJdU+o6m3DCvVdLTXTuHzhzLyTC+bU= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:46:19 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "in order" might be misunderstood as an ordering requirement (3) (#4040) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e385b9400b_ae51964534230"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:46:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e385b9400b_ae51964534230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding: This also is potentially misread: /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data in order to cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./ and could be /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data that cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4040 ----==_mimepart_5f3e385b9400b_ae51964534230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding:

This also is potentially misread: /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data in order to cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./ and could be /An adversarial sender might intentionally send fragments of stream data that cause disproportionate receive buffer memory commitment and/or creation of a large and inefficient data structure./

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----==_mimepart_5f3e385b9400b_ae51964534230-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 01:47:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE1C3A0A39 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:47:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aTsMl3qmzeY for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03A3B3A0A36 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B5F7A0E28 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:47:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597913221; bh=iXuk2phIrIm5FDwWYwgSSyaJyBm79jNz/B89MrL0tnk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R7AuntJoBgUl+1vBMhxmd09xsgik1hYh7gB6yG/iW3G2fexzsxkr5iKjfVjOkUqxQ YD+FKZwDyR4qEYU+n5uzGlK346MHNHohefVQ4Iq52RoencOnaImzL889IbxQ2HgT8k Vjbo2X8u0PRe/7O+A80WdiVq/9vESrx4WzR/vnhA= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 01:47:01 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "in order" might be misunderstood as an ordering requirement (4) (#4041) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e38853e3d9_20019645847b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:47:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e38853e3d9_20019645847b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding: /An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data in order to force the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./ would be clearer as /An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data so that it forces the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4041 ----==_mimepart_5f3e38853e3d9_20019645847b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are other uses of "in order" that the editors may like to address to avoid potential misunderstanding:

/An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data in order to force the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./ would be clearer as /An adversarial receiver might intentionally not acknowledge packets containing stream data so that it forces the sender to store the unacknowledged stream data for retransmission./

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing IP
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.

I added a paragraph to the previous section to clarify this.

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The current text no longer exists, so this issue can be closed.

However, this was a generic editorial comment to the editors ... and several instances still exist. I'll follow the recommendation to raise 4 issues to address the 4 cases I currently see.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -subsequent ACK frames; see {{generating-acks}} and {{frame-ack}}.  Note that
-this requires being able to read the ECN codepoints from the enclosing IP
-packet, which is not possible on all platforms.

That new text has resolved this NiT.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e3b42d1299_17e3196470078a-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 02:03:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7C83A0A4D for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:03:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kbT9Sbr7hGrC for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47DAE3A0A40 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838D36003DA for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:03:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597914194; bh=O/cV631OkVkmb6PwODcM85d0MurY31pEW0OH/Cs0hDI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nKasrpKp4bcMDcMbXu47BOCMe0vtW20fuJMEPOS/gWJTjN2VMc/RGMXqdVWRnN3wx tPgqamLJyi0wzaCiXBC1dJMlj7NDfeg5MsuIBi8ljhUz/9nTrjLA0LzqjJDzfpRg6M ZbiqoF7TSf9fcdgnl/1AEzZrUoCLsO1JMa4Ek5Rg= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:03:14 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "in order" might be misunderstood as an ordering requirement (1) (#4038) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e3c5273c32_5e74196455223c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:03:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e3c5273c32_5e74196455223c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, it's more readable to quote with `>`, e.g., > Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet. this might be misread as an ordering requirement, but I think is intend to be: > Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4038#issuecomment-677473766 ----==_mimepart_5f3e3c5273c32_5e74196455223c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FYI, it's more readable to quote with >, e.g.,

Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions in order to properly form a version negotiation packet.

this might be misread as an ordering requirement, but I think is intend to be:

Servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions to properly form a version negotiation packet.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e3c5273c32_5e74196455223c-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 02:09:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602993A0A47 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:09:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DMhvAJZClP37 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F1A73A0869 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE84520050 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:08:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597914539; bh=WdYtDyH7wuGSR5xgWxKUr0/j6CfVWzK6coBBYQ5jifw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M91HO0leeRjIv7FAfwyDM3BUHA9cYiArJy1S9yHNjPUWwyDsinmBv/+0/mqtH6wg4 A87kDgKRZBaxFZrxOK2RPqZH951z4JoQWA/71Cj24VnB5rbcJhf2g+cIXa0iwuvQh2 w5M/bypLLctBMB8i+Ay/RpmFVO2LDFwajGdboMXc= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:08:59 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN "not quite enough" (#4022) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e3dab4ff83_5d011964510865"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:09:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e3dab4ff83_5d011964510865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm, I recall that proposal .... That's a different approach to what I said, and doesn't check that CE is correctly interpreted, but I think there is only a slim chance that CE-only is not correctly reported (I guess a server could in principle cheat and refuse to report CE-marks - but I have no evidence to suggest we currently need this). So ... I think my answer is "YES"! Can we explain this out a little, and state that QUIC does this. I'm assuming that this refers independently for each direction of transmission. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4022#issuecomment-677476746 ----==_mimepart_5f3e3dab4ff83_5d011964510865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hmmmm, I recall that proposal .... That's a different approach to what I said, and doesn't check that CE is correctly interpreted, but I think there is only a slim chance that CE-only is not correctly reported (I guess a server could in principle cheat and refuse to report CE-marks - but I have no evidence to suggest we currently need this).

So ... I think my answer is "YES"! Can we explain this out a little, and state that QUIC does this. I'm assuming that this refers independently for each direction of transmission.

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If you'd like more text than what I proposed above, could you craft that text?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3892,6 +3889,7 @@ errors are detected.
 Endpoints validate ECN for packets sent on each network path independently.  An
 endpoint thus validates ECN on new connection establishment, when switching to a
 server's preferred address, and on active connection migration to a new path.
+If validation fails, an endpoint could also periodically attempt validation.

An endpoint receiving CE marks should always feed them back to the sender. Validation is about actively marking packets as ECT by the sender. However, I think it would be nice to be more explicit and add a reference to the respective section at least.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3843,11 +3843,8 @@ instead of dropping it.  Endpoints react to congestion by reducing their sending
 rate in response, as described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
 To use ECN, QUIC endpoints first determine whether a path supports ECN marking
-and the peer is able to access the ECN codepoint in the IP header.  A network
-path does not support ECN if ECN marked packets get dropped or ECN markings are
-rewritten on the path. An endpoint validates the use of ECN on the path, both
-during connection establishment and when migrating to a new path
-({{migration}}).
+and the peer is able to access the ECN codepoint in the IP header; see
+{{ecn-validation}}.

I'm also in favour or keep this text here. It's a bit of redundant but I think it's useful to make this clear from the beginning.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

Why? The reason why we stick to Reno is because that's the only RFC we have. Rather than re-specifying everything here we should reply on what is specified there, so people understand what's congestion control specific (and could be changed by other congestion controllers) and what's a default requirement to implement QUIC.

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Though congestion -controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE markings as equivalent to loss -({{?RFC8311}}), the exact response for each controller could be different. -Failure to correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore -difficult to detect. +Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers +respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary. +Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other +responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}). Failure to +correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore difficult to +detect. I actually don't really understand the intention of the last sentence. This is also true for lost base congestion control or even controller which are not based on loss at all. > ## Congestion Avoidance -Slow start exits to congestion avoidance. Congestion avoidance uses an -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases -the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window -acknowledged. When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves -the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new -congestion window, and then enters the recovery period. +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) +approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram +size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion This MUST NOT kind of already says that QUICv1 cannot implement Cubic. Is that what we want? > @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting in exponential growth of the congestion window. -QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. -When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start -threshold is set to the new congestion window. QUIC re-enters slow start -any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold, -which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared. +QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon +increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion +window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion Restating this here: With https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5681#section-4.3 ssthresh is reduced upon entering recover but cwnd is set to ssthresh when leaving recovery. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3978#pullrequestreview-471487896 ----==_mimepart_5f3e5977ba14f_7c9c196489178 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mirjak commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -996,11 +998,12 @@ Reporting additional ECN-CE markings will cause a sender to reduce their sending
 rate, which is similar in effect to advertising reduced connection flow control
 limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so.
 
-Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use.  Though congestion
-controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE markings as equivalent to loss
-({{?RFC8311}}), the exact response for each controller could be different.
-Failure to correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore
-difficult to detect.
+Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers
+respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary.
+Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other
+responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}). Failure to
+correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore difficult to
+detect.

I actually don't really understand the intention of the last sentence. This is also true for lost base congestion control or even controller which are not based on loss at all.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram
+size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion

This MUST NOT kind of already says that QUICv1 cannot implement Cubic. Is that what we want?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

Restating this here: With https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5681#section-4.3 ssthresh is reduced upon entering recover but cwnd is set to ssthresh when leaving recovery.

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I think the point is if a path changes happens without the sender noticing and suddenly because of misconfiguration alll packets get CE marked you want to detect that and disable ECN. However, if that is something we want to recommend I think we further need to specify this. Another case that is easier to detect would be you only set ECT(0) packets but suddenly get feedback for ECT(1) marks. For that case to detect you basically would need to "run" the validation continuously.

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Having that said I'm not sure how likely this case is. I guess we could recommend to re-start validation if e.g. the RTT jumps suddenly as this might be an indication of path change. Again, not sure how likely this case is.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e5add7235e_4f25196476362-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 04:14:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150993A095A for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:14:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nb_Vpxcum8RP for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 206DE3A092F for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1ac52d7.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1ac52d7.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3A434003D for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:14:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597922092; bh=5Rhp40PK6r1iWqjDjLs6D/1ku78xkwvGcLdME9ajA2s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=G1nXrVB+mfmzxRY36wAc8POQ9FSvd4dxGzMt+dziToWcMRPWbiLS7XOOB+FxBcjVN da9q3Ru/+qqcsXHyQo0jp/eE1VR8tnDW1/pSoKuvgXyh7WFoyuIg2nbn/il/hnTehV AKxW5FNEa4rWuMXSI9dbauaz2nGZ5ANlNgU71nkA= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:14:52 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allowing QUIC to suspend ECN usage (#4028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e5b2cfb09_406d1964288547"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:14:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e5b2cfb09_406d1964288547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we don't know how likely these ECN misconfigs are and what to do about them, maybe we remain silent on the issue? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4028#issuecomment-677540640 ----==_mimepart_5f3e5b2cfb09_406d1964288547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since we don't know how likely these ECN misconfigs are and what to do about them, maybe we remain silent on the issue?

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(I have yet to receive a single CE mark on any packet reaching my public server. I set it up so I get an email when that happens.)

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----==_mimepart_5f3e5b66573d5_1ed5196429783a-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 04:52:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9CC3A09E0 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7rLbCTxnLoaM for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7B333A09D8 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2375E0ECB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:52:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597924328; bh=YGCY6mb50kZ94ZxgQuMcMWSjfOV2Uwe6WHKF0bGrsOA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XwuKWNA0/1Ean0WfWxjODGErQIfg0uaAhkfkM0XAcHqeVOoYy5swrQKgPo9ZtiPUp mbsdB7OJ38OtLou2UZ/d04XjuIMcsP/4LcfiQdyahGhUOwqkjk6BTKCUDxpUSIZ6z3 5EXv51rpZP0YA3RZf+T0KjFhw9H96X3kEZcHW5go= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:52:07 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allowing QUIC to suspend ECN usage (#4028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e63e7f0037_3f5319642098b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:52:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e63e7f0037_3f5319642098b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My original point was not calling for a new "test" (I'm also unsure about adding extra tests for pathologies before we know they are needed), but simply a request that a "QUIC endpoint MAY/SHOULD validate ECN is still support by the path during communication"... and as mentioned, this can be simply realised by checking the ECN counters continue to reflect packets that are being sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4028#issuecomment-677590385 ----==_mimepart_5f3e63e7f0037_3f5319642098b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My original point was not calling for a new "test" (I'm also unsure about adding extra tests for pathologies before we know they are needed), but simply a request that a "QUIC endpoint MAY/SHOULD validate ECN is still support by the path during communication"... and as mentioned, this can be simply realised by checking the ECN counters continue to reflect packets that are being sent.

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But that ongoing validation is already in the spec in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-29#section-13.4.2.2, right?

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Closed #4017.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e74cc16d3b_4b3d19641551a3-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 06:05:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA723A091C for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1ZX22cp9wRp for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1561E3A08C4 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCD9902639 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:05:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597928730; bh=XuHZXRcdHEC18rc8wQyxT3KY2pYtJFQ6+A8GQZJRDBM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TNOI4bpwgnBeqQLDxXZ9tKbs49udytgPpQ0oMSgtkkq8x5c9kYO8znHMt/B1Ac0Ua exf7UDdJu7wbvvkNUdw3Luzpj3PxaJiuBErY0tCojXEEQyVQGvAth5LrSE8Fn4bG9s CX4EI5IO6KDsSDAZqKq2KExWO420lQuySH5Jo2pY= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 06:05:30 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allowing QUIC to suspend ECN usage (#4028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e751adbdbd_6dc419642576d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:05:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e751adbdbd_6dc419642576d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. I've reread that text and the current text is fine with me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4028#issuecomment-677652356 ----==_mimepart_5f3e751adbdbd_6dc419642576d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes. I've reread that text and the current text is fine with me.

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Bashed and I believe I'm fine with the current rev.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f3e80c5ca90a_d95196411984a-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 09:03:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF323A0831 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRZ_AoASCbiO for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 761613A082E for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFE4560068 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597939403; bh=hi0DkHg2wJVbg4qqU5I4sIs2eZLLtoQ5nSx/qZKxhGI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HC6EnYg9TKb2wUaIkOEmz8n9Y99yMDiu7L1MRL/V4etdGvJooL5ub/sgVVDm8WQYv kVGokoMeJqdc/NnvD0OkQ2hkzvgoHxYEUrJ4X6MonAV9cqUbVhgRwc+m/bPieVjjCw oH+BnMJ/F3TOCeHQzgCkhYZPJ3wgfJIeBWEJGWps= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:03:23 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] "don't delay" for PATH_RESPONSE (#4036) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3e9ecb5c1ea_5d7219641266f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:03:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3e9ecb5c1ea_5d7219641266f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett approved this pull request. This LG, but so did the old text. > @@ -2174,8 +2174,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. ## Path Validation Responses -On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by -echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. +On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond by echoing the +data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. An +endpoint MUST NOT delay transmission of a packet containing a PATH_RESPONSE +frame unless constrained by congestion control. You can use PATH_CHALLENGE on existing paths as well, in which case congestion control could be a constraint. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036#pullrequestreview-471764746 ----==_mimepart_5f3e9ecb5c1ea_5d7219641266f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett approved this pull request.

This LG, but so did the old text.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2174,8 +2174,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
-On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond by echoing the
+data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.  An
+endpoint MUST NOT delay transmission of a packet containing a PATH_RESPONSE
+frame unless constrained by congestion control.

You can use PATH_CHALLENGE on existing paths as well, in which case congestion control could be a constraint.

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----==_mimepart_5f3e9ecb5c1ea_5d7219641266f-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 11:01:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEF13A0FCB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q554BUM_T2EQ for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10F23A0FCA for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67E090266F for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597946490; bh=Xs/CRhue8a6gm3kbdTUMsbGuqzQiErd45KhUQS7WF/s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JDPLMTTZMTLyTw1lBBCbELvW7O0KqtOn1EHVfxaGYFyj+ChQ+MiMGEqJqNt81C59X uWQKILUebUl7+e2hSORfQ41toqWAdzi5BPih42ZuAEAKuc2C3zFI08/D08pljbg8o2 Ac0xEVLMOHkk26Fh/hITEVr3bj8Qls5MUOtysht4= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:01:30 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Client that does not PAD does not negotiate? (#4021) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3eba7ac6f2f_17a81964264827"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:01:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3eba7ac6f2f_17a81964264827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not padding breaks the protocol, so there's a MUST in Section 14. That MUST *does* apply to all versions that the client supports; the client obviously can't know the details of versions it doesn't support, including any the server supports, so that's all it can reference. There's no minimum first-packet size in the invariants. The server SHOULD send Version Negotiation in response to a packet of unknown version but an appropriate size; if it doesn't, the client won't know what versions it supports, but it might choose not to do so every time. (Hence the "MAY limit" in the next sentence.) Is the thing that's missing for you a linkage between "SHOULD send" and "MAY limit"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4021#issuecomment-677814200 ----==_mimepart_5f3eba7ac6f2f_17a81964264827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not padding breaks the protocol, so there's a MUST in Section 14. That MUST does apply to all versions that the client supports; the client obviously can't know the details of versions it doesn't support, including any the server supports, so that's all it can reference. There's no minimum first-packet size in the invariants.

The server SHOULD send Version Negotiation in response to a packet of unknown version but an appropriate size; if it doesn't, the client won't know what versions it supports, but it might choose not to do so every time. (Hence the "MAY limit" in the next sentence.)

Is the thing that's missing for you a linkage between "SHOULD send" and "MAY limit"?

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"in order to" seems like a well-known construction, so I'm not concerned about its existence. Your rewording loses the implication of "SHOULD... because you'll need to...."

Though I see your point that this sentence could be parsed as "reading in order" being the thing servers SHOULD be able to do. Perhaps "In order to properly form X, servers SHOULD Y"?

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Also, this seems to be the same sentence as #4038?

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----==_mimepart_5f3ebf6844e40_12dd19646088f5-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 11:26:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB073A1202 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:25:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P_14PcYdFegM for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 921BA3A1201 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F78600944 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:25:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597947957; bh=EnP1OUSFpV6ltDpndV/7z/J32Mw4QnF7h77DmaD6mfQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=RSZejbN4HrpxgjYHmsrwOP3auerS/kPOmODnphOiuUcZ7VngdyzBfRuhzbCGno7A6 zBjSW0xHyOoNFvtjIZvFu2EUD+jdAnHzL077a83DNl+h625G1mQxh8YNLcxdmbABfT Bfuy9XkoRWBKVapcQMYIdpQUS3AdSogf40Q5LuUc= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:25:57 -0700 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0f0370: Holy orders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:26:00 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/transport/orders Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0f037059ce57c231ad11df0d0fcf1708454e25ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f037059ce57c231ad11df0d0fcf1708454e25ce Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Holy orders From nobody Thu Aug 20 11:26:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEBE3A1209 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:26:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vja0-bLbN2PK for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A2863A1207 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94834520037 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:26:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597947973; bh=sb9S2bhEGeuTL505aOa726icXMijQd8ufpPRC8cyR24=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=cstdSyCxZaHCxHriURxUQT+spfn9Sll/CasF/J4fZ0wb0LQXmRbxZTGpXAzwCDiiy YrOXIvd5dTGo4rE/3Vjf7wX0Ih/r9+Z8vojUUy1YS7/LKG422oeur/9vBO76T5sRbd XMndaQOR4Ep6YJYH67bBaAxnhVlm1JPQ2udt1W2c= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:26:13 -0700 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 31ae62: Holy orders, Batman! 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Aug 20 11:31:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A33A124D for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:31:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JsJGmpu205fD for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10CD03A1252 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427425E0401 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:31:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597948265; bh=Esl+/djnycbp4BWgqUcr++5nFYoywUtVmZ2aZk78HfI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VPhR3gnyDSzcHqdOXj2TGa4yd+kIz45AtaeAqVUbIq3+LHfEuXcIfeCHvHLaxYfUX UMSj2w496g+Q+Ish1icD+N1TEcZFrEWJ/NYgdcYiRjgspqQpxXrFZ5vAYGmttAfSgc U0VbgT9l0hL/+BNnshHp9XEQBMOX94eIhYk6gdtk= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:31:05 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Less confusing "in order to" (#4042) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3ec16930ed0_698e1964323317"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:31:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3ec16930ed0_698e1964323317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #4038. Fixes #4039. Fixes #4040. Fixes #4041. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4042 -- Commit Summary -- * Holy orders, Batman! -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (25) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4042.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4042.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4042 ----==_mimepart_5f3ec16930ed0_698e1964323317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #4038.
Fixes #4039.
Fixes #4040.
Fixes #4041.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4042

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  • Holy orders, Batman!

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----==_mimepart_5f3ec329c7456_4af11964448c-- From nobody Thu Aug 20 11:54:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B583A12EE for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4nXccyF1Thgc for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 336123A12FB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269895C092F for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597949633; bh=N1lYif19iwx13PiB7pl/uVZ/wcMBmFiKDMryo4fbN0Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=K3GRqfLNn7hWIF4Une46+jSzZNisJGF2onPCHS/5k6RYQMb5vcbu8uFFUT+b2f8iK ZXayMd6JkQcoZtuHkN4MpzYnGekdupvCgb2ghVHqwdQuqXEOsuOxri6fM+5vYokrmq ytLuEY/QbThStMWbgiccxE5oIDDeqSSgWHAfalOk= Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:53:53 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "in order" might be misunderstood as an ordering requirement (2) (#4039) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3ec6c116fae_550c1964995550"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:54:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3ec6c116fae_550c1964995550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That works for me - starting with the construction seems clear.=0D =0D Gorry =0D =0D =0D > On 20 Aug 2020, at 19:11, Mike Bishop wrote:= =0D > =0D > =EF=BB=BF=0D > "in order to" seems like a well-known construction, so I'm not concerne= d about its existence. Your rewording loses the implication of "SHOULD...= because you'll need to...."=0D > =0D > Though I see your point that this sentence could be parsed as "reading = in order" being the thing servers SHOULD be able to do. Perhaps "In order= to properly form X, servers SHOULD Y"?=0D > =0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you authored the thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or unsubscribe.=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4039#issuecomment-677838558= ----==_mimepart_5f3ec6c116fae_550c1964995550 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=0D That works for me - starting with the construction seems clear.
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=0D > "in order to" seems like a well-known construction, so I&#= 39;m not concerned about its existence. Your rewording loses the implicat= ion of "SHOULD... because you'll need to...."
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=0D > Though I see your point that this sentence could be parsed as "= reading in order" being the thing servers SHOULD be able to do. Perh= aps "In order to properly form X, servers SHOULD Y"?
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All looks clear to me.

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The new PR appears to have all the in orders in good order then!

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Closed #4039.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

That's not the reason we stick with Reno -- we have RFC 8312 (Cubic) as well. Reno is simple, which is why we went with it. To be clear, this is not a default requirement for QUIC. It's stated that some congestion controller is necessary, and we specify one, but implementations can use others (Section 7.)

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QUIC re-enters slow start -any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold, -which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared. +QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon +increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion +window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion That's what TCP does, but that's not necessary in QUIC. Consider what happens in TCP: until the sender leaves recovery, it cannot grow the cwnd, and since the left edge of the cwnd is anchored to the cumulative ack point, the sender cannot send anything new. It can only keep retransmitting. In other words, the cwnd governs how much data to send and also _which data to send_. To allow for a sender to send new data, TCP allows inflating the cwnd which is deflated on leaving recovery, which in the best case is 1 RTT after loss. QUIC deliberately avoids this problem, and the cwnd is not anchored to a left edge. It's an abstract limit on the bytes in flight, and says nothing about which data can be sent. So, as data gets acked, and as the bytes in flight reduces to 1/2 the value at loss, the sender can start sending again. This would happen 1/2 RTT after loss. So at the end of the "recovery period", i.e., 1 RTT after loss: - TCP would have sent nothing if its cwnd were reduced immediately on loss. - QUIC would have been sending for 1/2 RTT (it would send as much as is allowed by the new cwnd basically). This is also why simply referencing 5681 won't do. The semantics of cwnd are different. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3978#discussion_r474349285 ----==_mimepart_5f3f1b6075f5a_631e196418165b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

That's what TCP does, but that's not necessary in QUIC. Consider what happens in TCP: until the sender leaves recovery, it cannot grow the cwnd, and since the left edge of the cwnd is anchored to the cumulative ack point, the sender cannot send anything new. It can only keep retransmitting. In other words, the cwnd governs how much data to send and also which data to send. To allow for a sender to send new data, TCP allows inflating the cwnd which is deflated on leaving recovery, which in the best case is 1 RTT after loss.

QUIC deliberately avoids this problem, and the cwnd is not anchored to a left edge. It's an abstract limit on the bytes in flight, and says nothing about which data can be sent. So, as data gets acked, and as the bytes in flight reduces to 1/2 the value at loss, the sender can start sending again. This would happen 1/2 RTT after loss.

So at the end of the "recovery period", i.e., 1 RTT after loss:

  • TCP would have sent nothing if its cwnd were reduced immediately on loss.
  • QUIC would have been sending for 1/2 RTT (it would send as much as is allowed by the new cwnd basically).

This is also why simply referencing 5681 won't do. The semantics of cwnd are different.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram
+size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion

It does not, since this document allows an endpoint to implement a different controller than the one specified here. See Section 7:

If an endpoint uses a different controller than that specified in this document, the chosen controller MUST conform to the congestion control guidelines specified in Section 3.1 of [RFC8085].

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

We're chartered to use a Standard congestion controller, and RFC 8312 is Informational. But as you say, people are perfectly able to plug in other congestion controllers instead; this is merely "a default scheme," in the language of the charter.

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@martinthomson Thank you for all the efforts that have gone into this PR.

Rereading it, I wonder if we should be talking about 0-RTT too, I think that 0-RTT can be also used as an attack vector. The attacker has the knowledge regarding the packet protection keys that will be used for 0-RTT, and it is easy to guess what packet number will be used.

Based on that, much like NEW_TOKEN tokens, I think it might be the case that we have to recommend to not use 0-RTT when the client resumes a connection to a different server address.

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Due to the controversy over this, I imposed these constraints on myself to try to be as conservative as possible. - Absolutely no design changes on things which are already standardized, just editorial changes, and very simple extrapolation of the existing design. (I never ever considered the former at this time, just documenting this for posterity. - Anything that is not UDP (over IP) is deemed experimental. The size limitations I figure may not make sense for other transports / during other experiments, so I call that out. - When UDP was mentioned in some interesting way that generalized (e.g. something that separately mentions IP address and UDP port), I provide the general language (plain "address", but also provide the UDP common case as before so no specificity is lost. The purpose of this exercise is *not* to get QUIC over UDP "more ready for production", as that would slow down the WG for little gain, but rather to call out the dependencies that currently do exist so as to be sure there is no unintentional coupling. I fully leave to others to decide what coupling is intenional or unintentional, and whether anything at all is cause for concern. ---- In this first commit, I just audited all the occurrence of "UDP". If this looks good, I would then go back and likewise scan for "port" "IPv4", and "IPv6". My one regret is that in keeping the line length the same, I made the diff more complicated than it would otherwise be. Do you all have a process for that? You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043 -- Commit Summary -- * WIP: Begin lightly abstracting over the use of UDP as the underlying transport -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (280) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043 ----==_mimepart_5f3f5699ce136_33041964379882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Based on recent mailing list feedback that this might possibly be OK, I
decided to take a crack at reducing the "hard coding" of UDP in the
spirit of other RFCs which strive to be agnostic to the underlying
protocol.

Due to the controversy over this, I imposed these constraints on myself
to try to be as conservative as possible.

  • Absolutely no design changes on things which are already standardized,
    just editorial changes, and very simple extrapolation of the existing
    design. (I never ever considered the former at this time, just
    documenting this for posterity.

  • Anything that is not UDP (over IP) is deemed experimental. The size
    limitations I figure may not make sense for other transports / during
    other experiments, so I call that out.

  • When UDP was mentioned in some interesting way that generalized (e.g.
    something that separately mentions IP address and UDP port), I provide
    the general language (plain "address", but also provide the UDP common
    case as before so no specificity is lost.

The purpose of this exercise is not to get QUIC over UDP "more ready
for production", as that would slow down the WG for little gain, but
rather to call out the dependencies that currently do exist so as to be
sure there is no unintentional coupling. I fully leave to others to
decide what coupling is intenional or unintentional, and whether
anything at all is cause for concern.

In this first commit, I just audited all the occurrence of "UDP". If
this looks good, I would then go back and likewise scan for "port"
"IPv4", and "IPv6".

My one regret is that in keeping the line length the same, I made the
diff more complicated than it would otherwise be. Do you all have a
process for that?

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043

Commit Summary

  • WIP: Begin lightly abstracting over the use of UDP as the underlying transport

File Changes

Patch Links:

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All of this makes sense, but it was the sentence in section 6 which I found unclear, which says: "Clients that support multiple QUIC versions SHOULD pad the first packet they send to the largest of the minimum packet sizes across all versions they support." That made me ask what happens when they support a version and didn't pad to the min size required by that version?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -263,6 +266,17 @@ Application:
 
 : An entity that uses QUIC to send and receive data.
 
+Underlying transport protocol:
+
+: The underlying protocol with which QUIC packet are sent.  The underlying
+  transport protocol is conventionally UDP over IP.
+
+Underlying transport datagram:
+
+: A message of the underlying transport protocol, which when used by QUIC will
+  contain multiple QUIC packets. Calling this a "datagram" and not a "packet"
+  emphasizes the message-oriented nature of the underlying transport, and helps
+  distinguish these from QUIC packets.

Are you suggesting that that the underling transport has to be message based? That seems to be a large caveat that restricts the value of these changes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2725,7 +2747,7 @@ longer than the time negotiated using the max_idle_timeout transport parameter;
 see {{termination}}.  However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier than
 that.  Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interval,
 experience shows that sending packets every 30 seconds is necessary to prevent
-the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows
+the majority of middleboxes from losing state for underlying-transport flows

I don't believe we can make this claim generically, since the cited work does not.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3205,6 +3230,29 @@ Packets with the short header are designed for minimal overhead and are used
 after a connection is established and 1-RTT keys are available; see
 {{short-header}}.
 
+## Underlying Transport Protocol {#underlying-transport-protocol}
+
+The underlying protocol is the protocol with which QUIC packet are sent.
+
+This protocol SHOULD NOT have automatic retransmission, ordering, congestion
+control, or other such mechanisms that would overlap with those provided by QUIC
+and therefore not actually enhance the overall quality of service.  This
+protocol SHOULD be message-oriented.

This answers my earlier point (sorry for not reading in completeness). Are there many examples of IP-based, message-based, Internet transport protocols? My sense is that the scope of these changes are putting it in the "Yah Ain't Gonna Need It" bracket.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

I still don't understand what the problem of referring RFC5681 normatively is?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

Also for TCP it was always possible to send new data because of the packet conservation principle as when you receive an ACK that doesn't ack new data you still know that at least one packet was received and you can reduce your bytes_in_flight by one packet. The thing that TCP does by reducing the cwnd gradually over the recovery RTT is that you don't have the effect you describe above where your don't send anything for half an RTT and then keep sending with exactly the same rate as previously for the second half on the RTT and overload the network again. This is a feature that should be conserved with QUIC as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram
+size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion

Then I don't see why this need to be a normative requirement.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram
+size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion

Similar as we don't require normatively in the next part that the congestion needs be halved on loss/CE mark.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

Early in the QUIC process, the preference of the working group was to have the recovery document be complete enough that one can implement from it, and to only reference TCP RFCs informationally. I think that was the right decision both because there are some differences between QUIC and TCP and because not all the text in TCP RFCs is relevant here. As such, if there are important requirements, they should be specified in this document.

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So let's say a hypothetical client supports versions with the following minimum packet sizes to open a connection:

  • A: 1250 bytes
  • B: 1200 bytes
  • C: 1720 bytes

The client is trying to open a connection with version B, so they MUST send at least 1200 bytes. However, if the server only supports A and C, this won't provoke a Version Negotiation packet and the connection attempt will time out. That's not incorrect, because the server doesn't support the attempted version.

The client SHOULD send at least 1720 bytes, because that guarantees the packet is large enough to trigger a Version Negotiation packet in the event there's any overlap in their supported version sets. It's only a SHOULD, not a MUST, because there might be legitimate reasons a client would opt not to send a 1720-byte packet, such as expecting a 1500-byte MTU on the network.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -996,11 +998,12 @@ Reporting additional ECN-CE markings will cause a sender to reduce their sending
 rate, which is similar in effect to advertising reduced connection flow control
 limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so.
 
-Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use.  Though congestion
-controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE markings as equivalent to loss
-({{?RFC8311}}), the exact response for each controller could be different.
-Failure to correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore
-difficult to detect.
+Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers
+respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary.
+Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other
+responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}). Failure to
+correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore difficult to
+detect.

This text is pre-existing, but I agree it doesn't say anything important and probably could be removed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram
+size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion

I don't have a strong opinion on this, but I see @mirjak point. If we're going to keep this, I think we should be clear that this MUST NOT only applies to NewReno.

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----==_mimepart_5f3fda9ad2633_56c419641510b1-- From nobody Fri Aug 21 07:39:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682183A0989 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3yXBT4PG9hl for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16C503A097C for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFB5E1E03 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:39:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598020748; bh=nSWEQFgwWZ9AdV0YggphhJ4i7qJPr8EcTOFBvdFZIqk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OuLlDP4VIfHd0IL0eb0sIzTX8n3pOCGJnU/YqQXRJ0Lnhc+dsPCK573ZMcHG8wnet d0AlN/wV3X1dOZyTn11mGrW5u0PeBkrFBTvCKG34guwt6oK58AunHSf1PUOW9lt4Se nYbssyjVlTQpkljA7mcgOMVF54Ojhtgf5+An0rDY= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:39:08 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] WIP: Begin lightly abstracting over the use of UDP as the underlying transport (#4043) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f3fdc8c2db17_62b1964127366"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 14:39:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f3fdc8c2db17_62b1964127366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. An interesting foray. I think this generalizes some pieces that really are UDP-specific, and would need to be redefined (or at least reconsidered) in other aspects. > @@ -1902,10 +1917,12 @@ that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain packets that are all discarded. -Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP -payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as -necessary. A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more -data prior to completing address validation. +Clients MUST ensure that underlying transports datagrams containing Initial +packets have payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the +datagram as necessary. (The payload is the assembled QUIC packets, and does not +include any headers associated with the underlying protocol that are also part +of the datagram.) A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send +more data prior to completing address validation. I feel like the anti-amplification features -- minimum initial size, the 3x limit, etc. -- really are UDP-focused because they mitigate attacks we know are common with UDP. A different transport might have such concerns, or might not. Perhaps, rather than generalizing these requirements, we should instead condition them on UDP. > @@ -2526,13 +2543,16 @@ routing of packets across multiple network paths will also allow activity on those paths to be linked by entities other than the peer. A client might wish to reduce linkability by employing a new connection ID and -source UDP port when sending traffic after a period of inactivity. Changing the -UDP port from which it sends packets at the same time might cause the packet to -appear as a connection migration. This ensures that the mechanisms that support -migration are exercised even for clients that do not experience NAT rebindings -or genuine migrations. Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its -congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed -infrequently. +source address when sending traffic after a period of inactivity. (In +conventional situations using UDP, the client cannot freely vary the IP address, With IPv6 privacy addresses, this might not be true. > +conventional situations using UDP, the client cannot freely vary the IP address, +but can much more readily change the UDP port. Since an address for QUIC when +using UDP is the tuple of the IP address and UDP port, changing the source port +along constitutes changing the QUIC address.) So changing the address from which +it sends packets at the same time might cause the packet to appear as a +connection migration. This ensures that the mechanisms that support migration This seems really wordy explaining why this is useful for UDP while still trying to generalize. You already changed the specific of UDP port to "source address"; probably all you need to add is that "When the underlying transport protocol is UDP, changing the source port is sufficient." It might also be the case that changing the source address isn't possible with the alternate transport, so this is an "if supported by the underlying protocol" thing. (For that matter, the CID itself might be irrelevant on a transport where addresses can't change.) > @@ -3205,6 +3230,29 @@ Packets with the short header are designed for minimal overhead and are used after a connection is established and 1-RTT keys are available; see {{short-header}}. +## Underlying Transport Protocol {#underlying-transport-protocol} + +The underlying protocol is the protocol with which QUIC packet are sent. ```suggestion The underlying protocol is the protocol over which QUIC packets are sent. ``` > +The underlying protocol MUST contain both a source and destination address: +while the underlying protocol is free to route datagrams by whichever means it +chooses, and futhermore a source address isn't strictly necessary to route a +datagram, the QUIC implementation needs to be able to inspect both addresses for +to implement connection migration. ```suggestion The underlying protocol MUST contain both a source and destination address, as the QUIC implementation needs to be able to inspect both addresses in order to support connection migration. ``` > +An underlying datagram MUST correspond to a single IP packet, if it is sent over +IP. That means IP fragmentation MUST NOT be used. When using IPv4 +({{!IPv4=RFC0791}}), the DF bit MUST be set to prevent fragmentation on the +path. I'm not certain QUIC generically has this requirement across all underlying transports. The requirement is that datagrams be delivered whole to QUIC; if they were fragmented and reassembled along the way, that's irrelevant. For UDP, we don't fragment because we want to be able to assess the maximum packet size; for some other transport, we might be able to query the maximum size directly or have effectively-infinite maximum size. In fact, given the way encryption overhead decreases with larger units of encryption, we might find that very large datagrams perform really well in certain environments with certain transports, even in the presence of fragmentation. > +The QUIC packet size is just the total size of the QUIC header and protected +payload. It follows that the sizes of any other headers that are part of the +underlying datagram and associated with underlying protocols are not counted. ```suggestion The QUIC packet size includes the QUIC header and protected payload, but not the headers of any underlying protocol. ``` > @@ -4030,12 +4086,16 @@ address of the client; see {{address-validation}}. ## Path Maximum Transmission Unit Much of the work referenced here is specific to UDP. I'd leave this as UDP-specific and merely note that a QUIC implementation on a different transport might need to use similar techniques to learn the properties of the path. > : The maximum UDP payload size parameter is an integer value that limits the - size of UDP payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive. UDP packets - with payloads larger than this limit are not likely to be processed by the - receiver. + size of underlying datagram payloads that the endpoint is willing to receive. + Datagrams with payloads larger than this limit are not likely to be processed A parameter that's specifically named UDP doesn't tell you anything about other underlying protocols. Either the parameter becomes generic (i.e. renamed, perhaps `max_datagram_size`) or it remains specific to UDP and other parameters might be defined for other contexts. > @@ -6669,7 +6736,7 @@ attacker to establish connectivity on a given path. An on-path attacker can: - Inspect packets -- Modify IP and UDP packet headers +- Modify underlying transport headers (e.g. UDP and IP headers) Here again, it's really going to depend on what that underlying transport is. This security analysis assumes UDP/IP; I think the safest statement is that QUIC over another transport needs its own security analysis to see what attackers might be able to do. > @@ -3205,6 +3230,29 @@ Packets with the short header are designed for minimal overhead and are used after a connection is established and 1-RTT keys are available; see {{short-header}}. +## Underlying Transport Protocol {#underlying-transport-protocol} + +The underlying protocol is the protocol with which QUIC packet are sent. + +This protocol SHOULD NOT have automatic retransmission, ordering, congestion +control, or other such mechanisms that would overlap with those provided by QUIC +and therefore not actually enhance the overall quality of service. This +protocol SHOULD be message-oriented. Personally, I'm reviewing this through the mental model of two additional transports: - Message-based Websockets across an HTTP proxy - Local datagram sockets for IPC Websockets are clearly going to provide all those services which an underlying transport SHOULD NOT have, but that's just the suck you live with if that's your only way to speak QUIC to an endpoint. Local sockets, on the other hand, mean that a lot of the machinery within QUIC simply won't be needed -- but if you're porting over a protocol that's already built atop QUIC, that might be okay. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043#pullrequestreview-472519287 ----==_mimepart_5f3fdc8c2db17_62b1964127366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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An interesting foray. I think this generalizes some pieces that reall= y are UDP-specific, and would need to be redefined (or at least reconside= red) in other aspects.

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I feel like the anti-amplification features -- minimum initial size, t= he 3x limit, etc. -- really are UDP-focused because they mitigate attacks= we know are common with UDP. A different transport might have such conc= erns, or might not. Perhaps, rather than generalizing these requirements= , we should instead condition them on UDP.

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With IPv6 privacy addresses, this might not be true.

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This seems really wordy explaining why this is useful for UDP while st= ill trying to generalize. You already changed the specific of UDP port t= o "source address"; probably all you need to add is that "When the underl= ying transport protocol is UDP, changing the source port is sufficient."<= /p>=0D

It might also be the case that changing the source address isn't possi= ble with the alternate transport, so this is an "if supported by the unde= rlying protocol" thing. (For that matter, the CID itself might be irrele= vant on a transport where addresses can't change.)

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Here again, it's really going to depend on what that underlying transp= ort is. This security analysis assumes UDP/IP; I think the safest statem= ent is that QUIC over another transport needs its own security analysis t= o see what attackers might be able to do.

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The resetting of min RTT is also specified with LEDBAT or BBR, which differ from each other and from this proposed spec. This is a complex issue, because resetting min RTT in LEDBAT "because of congestion" is a variation of the latecomer advantage. But as long as the text applies only to RENO as specified here, then I am fine with it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -996,11 +998,12 @@ Reporting additional ECN-CE markings will cause a sender to reduce their sending
 rate, which is similar in effect to advertising reduced connection flow control
 limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so.
 
-Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use.  Though congestion
-controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE markings as equivalent to loss
-({{?RFC8311}}), the exact response for each controller could be different.
-Failure to correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore
-difficult to detect.
+Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers
+respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary.
+Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other
+responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}). Failure to
+correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore difficult to
+detect.

Yes I think we should remove it because it almost sounds like an incentive to deviate which we don't want to encourage.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ## Congestion Avoidance
 
-Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance uses an
-Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that typically increases the congestion window by one maximum datagram
+size per congestion window acknowledged, and MUST NOT increase the congestion

Updated to start the sentence with NewReno to make it a bit clearer.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -996,11 +998,12 @@ Reporting additional ECN-CE markings will cause a sender to reduce their sending
 rate, which is similar in effect to advertising reduced connection flow control
 limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so.
 
-Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use.  Though congestion
-controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE markings as equivalent to loss
-({{?RFC8311}}), the exact response for each controller could be different.
-Failure to correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore
-difficult to detect.
+Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers
+respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary.
+Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other
+responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}). Failure to
+correctly respond to information about ECN markings is therefore difficult to
+detect.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Aug 21 13:06:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2B23A1187 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xm-NU4THmHOf for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA06F3A1186 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F48E0DD4 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:06:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598040401; bh=Rrtyb+QOWC3zXJhMWYLGsSC2ckdPBMpAs52eupKbuPk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A6/qkzScRrny3DRnEM2RUUy1s0RWGw/VIJX49dLLvwVhWttzhApp7AEdYdTKw3PcF 8w/AZsVnaBaVP0qSA+camXmL9UVruahqh031KTbfEbtmYtUCYy98d4FxwklxJpo8Sw JmPIX6MfCVSzo3Rp2XjCs6IBwotJ6XU06Jmk3Htw= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:06:41 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion pseudocode to match text (#4010) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f40295112d91_77251964150623"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:06:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f40295112d91_77251964150623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I have implemented this in Haskell quic. 1) With this pseudocode, *global* sequence number (unique and contiguous across the packet number space) is necessary to find the largest contiguity. In Haskell implementation, no additional field is necessary because packet numbers are unique globally. 2) It seems to me that `pc_lost` is over engineering if it is used only to detect persistent congestion. However, this structure can be also used to prevent spurious retransmission due to reordering, pointed out @kazuho. For example, if an endpoint receives ACK 1,3 and then ACK 2, the current pseudo code interprets that packet 2 is lost. If we use `pc_lost` as lost packet candicates and delay the decision, this issue can be resolved. So, we can justify the introduction of `pc_lost`. :-) 3) `pc_lost` consumes much resource because it is cleared only when persistent congestion happens. But, if we use `pc_lost` as lost packet candidates, it should be reduced when retransmission. Since the pseudocode does not describe how retransmission is implemented, we can left how to reduce `pc_lost` as implementation dependent and need not to implement it in this pseudocode. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010#issuecomment-678469958 ----==_mimepart_5f40295112d91_77251964150623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson I have implemented this in Haskell quic.

  1. With this pseudocode, global sequence number (unique and contiguous across the packet number space) is necessary to find the largest contiguity. In Haskell implementation, no additional field is necessary because packet numbers are unique globally.

  2. It seems to me that pc_lost is over engineering if it is used only to detect persistent congestion. However, this structure can be also used to prevent spurious retransmission due to reordering, pointed out @kazuho. For example, if an endpoint receives ACK 1,3 and then ACK 2, the current pseudo code interprets that packet 2 is lost. If we use pc_lost as lost packet candicates and delay the decision, this issue can be resolved. So, we can justify the introduction of pc_lost. :-)

  3. pc_lost consumes much resource because it is cleared only when persistent congestion happens. But, if we use pc_lost as lost packet candidates, it should be reduced when retransmission. Since the pseudocode does not describe how retransmission is implemented, we can left how to reduce pc_lost as implementation dependent and need not to implement it in this pseudocode.

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I know we have consensus and are ready to merge this PR, but... have we considered what error code the server shall use? Implementing this, the easiest for me is INVALID_TOKEN. Is that the obvious intent here?

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Aug 23 17:19:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213A93A07B3 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.081 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.081 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id euCiS0fBnTIh for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16C3D3A0796 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E75DE007A for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598228361; bh=NlwiGpPgeK2tpdJDwSMsZvx7F9gK4ovz5BQcLu5w+0I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RTVrBxKpcGlAKY9/dihGskkYZiyNBCwFb6v9KyZMOicgIKpl2xR1Q/G1ZwooGRW5w 4ggihZijWxQVJNZY7ncU62ExGD/UX3gNU+HA1elnYwTJCmcWMjLHhbMTkJ+3DJmIdq 9NKHtP1gUPrW2QJIktoRV9OwhWPu8ckD4EcYEHII= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:19:21 -0700 From: Kazu Yamamoto Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework section on persistent congestion (#3961) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4307893cece_32c71964405798"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazu-yamamoto X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 00:19:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4307893cece_32c71964405798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have implemented this algorithm based on the pseudocode in #4010. As I said in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010#issuecomment-678469958, it was not difficult for Haskell quic to implement this since the data structure was able to be reused. However, I'm not sure if it is easy to implement this algorithm for all implementations and benefits outweighs its complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3961#issuecomment-678845617 ----==_mimepart_5f4307893cece_32c71964405798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have implemented this algorithm based on the pseudocode in #4010. = As I said in #4010 (comment), it was not difficult for Haskell qu= ic to implement this since the data structure was able to be reused. Howe= ver, I'm not sure if it is easy to implement this algorithm for all imple= mentations and benefits outweighs its complexity.

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@kazu-yamamoto commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1092,9 +1092,10 @@ min_rtt:
 
 max_ack_delay:
 : The maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay
-  acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number space. The
-  actual ack_delay in a received ACK frame may be larger due to late timers,
-  reordering, or lost ACK frames.
+  acknowledgments for packets in the Application Data packet number
+  space, as defined by the eponymous transport parameter (Section 18.2
+  of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Note that the actual ack_delay in a received
+  ACK frame may be larger due to late timers, reordering, or lost

Thanks. Fixed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3892,6 +3889,7 @@ errors are detected.
 Endpoints validate ECN for packets sent on each network path independently.  An
 endpoint thus validates ECN on new connection establishment, when switching to a
 server's preferred address, and on active connection migration to a new path.
+If validation fails, an endpoint could also periodically attempt validation.

This is a could and not a SHOULD because making a recommendation would require us to make that recommendation actionable. That means describing the circumstances under which revalidation is desirable.

I realize that not all routes are static, but you would have to establish a case for revalidation in order to make any sort of statement with normative force.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3843,11 +3843,8 @@ instead of dropping it.  Endpoints react to congestion by reducing their sending
 rate in response, as described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
 To use ECN, QUIC endpoints first determine whether a path supports ECN marking
-and the peer is able to access the ECN codepoint in the IP header.  A network
-path does not support ECN if ECN marked packets get dropped or ECN markings are
-rewritten on the path. An endpoint validates the use of ECN on the path, both
-during connection establishment and when migrating to a new path
-({{migration}}).
+and the peer is able to access the ECN codepoint in the IP header; see
+{{ecn-validation}}.

I don't see how this text contradicts. Given that it is old, all I'm reading from this feedback is a preference to keep text that better belongs in the referenced section. And that section already concentrates on the path aspects (dropping, corruption).

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INVALID_TOKEN seems wrong to me. Why not PROTOCOL_VIOLATION?

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Aug 23 19:10:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15853A093C for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jpN7Btx2jTgE for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C1433A093B for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EEF840069 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:10:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598235040; bh=aR87SMujWJ/DwuHZ28OfylnA1Ind8/UDmRA0Bis5/5c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nA5u7BQYudKQ+h3bw8InRpTagmdSJJJjNDfWFtiEk/hC7cePFYYJ3aNKcRomt/cwk PNUdrvIqhvZGHhOdB48rRMkDxT7O3FYRdSHnamh/TZ/AcwvWaSw7TqtJ23+bUk05eH yj4/sivA8RenWNrb2FucuKWdviU4MkIUkw8YBDYg= Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:10:40 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4321a066759_5129196422043"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 02:10:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4321a066759_5129196422043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A server might be able to control 0-RTT content, but it can't control 0-RTT keys because those are derived from the ClientHello, which includes a nonce value the server can't predict (ClientHello.random). 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A server might be able to control 0-RTT content, but it can't control 0-RTT keys because those are derived from the ClientHello, which includes a nonce value the server can't predict (ClientHello.random). I note here that this is true for our TLS integration, but might not be true for other cryptographic handshakes.

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@martinthomson Thanks. Of course you are correct. I was only think about Early Secret, a value that can be estimated by the server. But in this case, it is client_early_traffic_secret that matters, and that incorporates ClientHello.

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Thanks for reviewing @kazu-yamamoto.

Regarding the global sequence space, I figure that you can do this without a global sequence number in other ways. For instance, you could track the sending time of all outstanding packets or you could enter all outstanding packets into a linked list, either of which allows you to establish a total ordering. (In the absence of a single sequence number space, I decided not to do a total global ordering on the basis that detecting persistent congestion during the handshake was not so important.)

For the other points, the goal of this is to explain above any requirement to be performant. You can, as I suggest in commit comments, drop pc_lost more often to limit the overhead. It is a fair bit more complex to fit into the spec though.

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Regarding the global sequence space, I figure that you can do this without a global sequence number in other ways. For instance, you could track the sending time of all outstanding packets or you could enter all outstanding packets into a linked list, either of which allows you to establish a total ordering.

Yes. I think that this is what @kazuho explains in #3939 (comment).

(It seems to me that this assumes entries can be marked to detect contiguity. But it is very hard to implement marking in Haskell. Marking is a destructive operation which is not allowed in purely functional data structure.)

What I pointed out is that there is no such data structure in the current pseudocode. (sent_packets is separated into three.) Probably, global sequence number is one of the easiest approaches.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3892,6 +3889,7 @@ errors are detected.
 Endpoints validate ECN for packets sent on each network path independently.  An
 endpoint thus validates ECN on new connection establishment, when switching to a
 server's preferred address, and on active connection migration to a new path.
+If validation fails, an endpoint could also periodically attempt validation.

To be clear: I suggest we keep the text that says: "An endpoint validates the use of ECN on the path, both during connection establishment and when migrating to a new path ({{migration}})."

... Although the simplest way to do this is to monitor an increase in the ECN counters reported.

I suspect there have been too many threads/issues related to ECN text (some have diverged and some concluded with no action) and those people (me included) involved should now read a clean version of the ECN text. I do not expect this text to be hard to finalise.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3892,6 +3889,7 @@ errors are detected.
 Endpoints validate ECN for packets sent on each network path independently.  An
 endpoint thus validates ECN on new connection establishment, when switching to a
 server's preferred address, and on active connection migration to a new path.
+If validation fails, an endpoint could also periodically attempt validation.

This appears immediately above:

It is possible for faulty network devices to corrupt or erroneously drop packets with ECN markings. To provide robust connectivity in the presence of such devices, each endpoint independently validates ECN counts and disables ECN if errors are detected.

This would seem to suffice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that MUST increase the congestion window by one maximum packet size
+per congestion window acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is

Thanks for trying to make that clearer. However, the normative language for reduction is most less strict (MUST reduce) and not specifying a concrete algorithm. I think that would be also the better approach for the increase behaviour. However, it's probably less clear what this minimum requirement is. So I would still prefer to just not use normative language here and just say NewReno does increase by one maximum packet size per congestion window acknowledged.

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Regarding the global sequence space, I figure that you can do this without a global sequence number in other ways. For instance, you could track the sending time of all outstanding packets or you could enter all outstanding packets into a linked list, either of which allows you to establish a total ordering. (In the absence of a single sequence number space, I decided not to do a total global ordering on the basis that detecting persistent congestion during the handshake was not so important.)

Mvfst has always stored outstanding packets in a single sequence container. It makes the ACK handling code a little bit more complicated since we have multiple PN spaces in a single sequence, but it makes things like this nominally easier to implement. That being said there's still considerable complexity (and as @martinthomson says, likely CPU cost). I'm very curious how many people are going to bother implementing this rather than just throwing up our hands and not declaring persistent congestion across PN spaces.

Probably having the pseudocode is the right thing to do though, and as always implementations will do what they think is actually necessary.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:53:17 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/not-delay Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts From nobody Mon Aug 24 17:53:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFB13A0C18 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:53:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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An +endpoint MUST NOT delay transmission of a packet containing a PATH_RESPONSE +frame unless constrained by congestion control. It's true to say that any constraint is unlikely, but not impossible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4036#discussion_r476015497 ----==_mimepart_5f44610041863_5ef81964783cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2174,8 +2174,10 @@ it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 ## Path Validation Responses
 
-On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond immediately by
-echoing the data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+On receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE frame, an endpoint MUST respond by echoing the
+data contained in the PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.  An
+endpoint MUST NOT delay transmission of a packet containing a PATH_RESPONSE
+frame unless constrained by congestion control.

It's true to say that any constraint is unlikely, but not impossible.

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The spec says that "congestion avoidance" after "slow start". However, it seems to me that pseudocode enters "recovery" after "slow start".

When packets are lost, OnCongestionEvent is called:

OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
  // Start a new congestion event if packet was sent after the
  // start of the previous congestion recovery period.
  if (!InCongestionRecovery(sent_time)):
    congestion_recovery_start_time = now()
    congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
    congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
    ssthresh = congestion_window
    // A packet can be sent to speed up loss recovery.
    MaybeSendOnePacket()

This function sets congestion_recovery_start_time if the state is not "recovery", which means either "slow start" or "congestion avoidance". So, "recovery" starts after "slow start".

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QUIC re-enters slow start -any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold, -which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared. +QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon +increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion +window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion Let me start by saying that QUIC doesn't have to be precisely the same as TCP -- this is why we are not normatively referencing RFC 5681. Even if this is a behavior difference from deployed TCP, this is not a reduction in quality. What is the change you're proposing? That said, what you say isn't true in TCP. Specifically, RFC 5681 says (in Section 4.3): ``` That is, when the first loss in a window of data is detected, ssthresh MUST be set to no more than the value given by equation (4). Second, until all lost segments in the window of data in question are repaired, the number of segments transmitted in each RTT MUST be no more than half the number of outstanding segments when the loss was detected. ``` That last sentence is critical. With just RFC 5681, TCP will do exactly as QUIC does. This isn't true of Linux TCP however, which uses rate halving... the PRR document (RFC 6937, Section 1) goes through this is some detail, and is in fact one of the reasons for PRR's existence. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3978#discussion_r476030650 ----==_mimepart_5f44666bb9c74_214d1964177c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

Let me start by saying that QUIC doesn't have to be precisely the same as TCP -- this is why we are not normatively referencing RFC 5681. Even if this is a behavior difference from deployed TCP, this is not a reduction in quality. What is the change you're proposing?

That said, what you say isn't true in TCP. Specifically, RFC 5681 says (in Section 4.3):

   That is, when the first loss in a window of data is detected,
   ssthresh MUST be set to no more than the value given by equation (4).
   Second, until all lost segments in the window of data in question are
   repaired, the number of segments transmitted in each RTT MUST be no
   more than half the number of outstanding segments when the loss was
   detected.

That last sentence is critical. With just RFC 5681, TCP will do exactly as QUIC does. This isn't true of Linux TCP however, which uses rate halving... the PRR document (RFC 6937, Section 1) goes through this is some detail, and is in fact one of the reasons for PRR's existence.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD) approach that increases
-the congestion window by one maximum packet size per congestion window
-acknowledged.  When a loss or ECN-CE marking is detected, NewReno halves
-the congestion window, sets the slow start threshold to the new
-congestion window, and then enters the recovery period.
+The congestion controller is in congestion avoidance any time the congestion
+window is at or above the slow start threshold.
+
+Congestion avoidance uses an Additive Increase Multiplicative Decrease (AIMD)
+approach that increases the congestion window by one maximum packet size per
+congestion window acknowledged.
+
+When first entering congestion avoidance, when a packet is declared lost, or
+when the ECN-CE count is detected, the congestion controller halves the
+congestion window, reduces the slow start threshold to the resulting size, and
+enters the recovery period.

(This is being discussed in #3978.)

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It's fewer words, even with the extra references. Closes #3671. From nobody Mon Aug 24 18:48:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771FB3A104C for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=0.726, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ln_-lRpjJ0EK for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55DFB3A08A9 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1dbcc59.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1dbcc59.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FCEE009F for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598320091; bh=ChPQk2gsDWZhRWOvlBzrx2iZ7Lx9i3vlnLeCJ8Y7sSE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Lmfqn6D+pOOHDYPFMQ6OmHpvSUlRlYRZ2adgq079EVxRjl738vszPz0a7zmZ39Y1/ iD1vTsiIeLWB/83KFUqW2iVoUY7mL8vNWbd/ahC7Wl4nXOsgY0rDC7yExKScR9aRUY ceJCHIdywqiIHYiGpvwslocbnEvnn7bIpcjN7T5c= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:11 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use handshake confirmation in recovery (#4046) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f446ddb735b7_7d80196417318b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 01:48:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f446ddb735b7_7d80196417318b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This avoids redefinition of the conditions for handshake confirmation. It's fewer words, even with the extra references. Closes #3671. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4046 -- Commit Summary -- * Use handshake confirmation in recovery -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (15) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4046.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4046.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4046 ----==_mimepart_5f446ddb735b7_7d80196417318b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This avoids redefinition of the conditions for handshake confirmation.
It's fewer words, even with the extra references.

Closes #3671.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 24 18:49:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8944E3A1047 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:49:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s3_OIQ7RM638 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 267653A08A9 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550C85C0E4C for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598320139; bh=cDAEUqwFK7WExvmzcWWH8nm0T3n1TF5QNA7z0F0PBM0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zzVgyLMWaV3T3EMcvClORcYNtKUbb7dFkwlfk+HN4q0rUy9d1Ur5YUAuyqXE/4xCG d14O89HCim8BrCsoNS9pisw/L5j0VhGvj74TPhtIR4F1uGJwY+kXoBvHIf9TkO08Sh EmKZcw+suoaLH3wvX7/+4RrEx0Z0uTwUWOzwcv/k= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:48:59 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion pseudocode to match text (#4010) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f446e0b45b7f_4cf31964195897"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 01:49:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f446e0b45b7f_4cf31964195897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1605,26 +1619,36 @@ ProcessECN(ack, pn_space): Invoked when DetectAndRemoveLostPackets deems packets lost. ~~~ -InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost): - // Persistent congestion cannot be declared on the - // first RTT sample. - if (is first RTT sample): - return false +InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets): + // Consider lost packets across all packet number spaces. Perhaps suggest that pc_lost could be time-indexed instead of pn-indexed > + // Find the largest contiguous set of lost packets that + // starts and ends with an ack-eliciting packet. + (first, last) = FindLargestContiguousLoss(pc_lost) You want the (first, last) around the largest _period_ of loss, not the largest set of lost packets. Perhaps `FindLargestLossPeriod` ? > - // first RTT sample. - if (is first RTT sample): - return false +InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets): + // Consider lost packets across all packet number spaces. + pc_lost.append(lost_packets) + + // Disregard packets sent prior to getting an RTT sample. + assert(first_rtt_sample != 0) + for lost in pc_lost: + if lost.time_sent <= first_rtt_sample: + pc_lost.remove(lost) + + // Find the largest contiguous set of lost packets that + // starts and ends with an ack-eliciting packet. + (first, last) = FindLargestContiguousLoss(pc_lost) @kazu-yamamoto : you can use time indexing for this purpose. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4010#pullrequestreview-474037338 ----==_mimepart_5f446e0b45b7f_4cf31964195897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1605,26 +1619,36 @@ ProcessECN(ack, pn_space):
 Invoked when DetectAndRemoveLostPackets deems packets lost.
 
 ~~~
-InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost):
-  // Persistent congestion cannot be declared on the
-  // first RTT sample.
-  if (is first RTT sample):
-    return false
+InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets):
+  // Consider lost packets across all packet number spaces.

Perhaps suggest that pc_lost could be time-indexed instead of pn-indexed

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +  // Find the largest contiguous set of lost packets that
+  // starts and ends with an ack-eliciting packet.
+  (first, last) = FindLargestContiguousLoss(pc_lost)

You want the (first, last) around the largest period of loss, not the largest set of lost packets. Perhaps FindLargestLossPeriod ?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -  // first RTT sample.
-  if (is first RTT sample):
-    return false
+InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets):
+  // Consider lost packets across all packet number spaces.
+  pc_lost.append(lost_packets)
+
+  // Disregard packets sent prior to getting an RTT sample.
+  assert(first_rtt_sample != 0)
+  for lost in pc_lost:
+    if lost.time_sent <= first_rtt_sample:
+      pc_lost.remove(lost)
+
+  // Find the largest contiguous set of lost packets that
+  // starts and ends with an ack-eliciting packet.
+  (first, last) = FindLargestContiguousLoss(pc_lost)

@kazu-yamamoto : you can use time indexing for this purpose.

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It's fewer words, even with the extra references. Closes #3671. Commit: 0d467cdc3a1aedf5ba726c6b903e0930a2966bc2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d467cdc3a1aedf5ba726c6b903e0930a2966bc2 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-24 (Mon, 24 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4046 from quicwg/recovery-confirmed Use handshake confirmation in recovery Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/03e7b26a8e01...0d467cdc3a1a From nobody Mon Aug 24 18:52:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523973A105C for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:52:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doNbJOWSp5kL for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 520223A105A for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9d2806a.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9d2806a.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B6A900AD9 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:52:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598320337; bh=yHCIIKk0+3Vbc2HBfrXxlMVKe9NIoA018yuTUq1ui48=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vf9hIucxB1QGboj+awFGC76sMJmSZNB+xrwKwE/sITmjE1RDcC9GIJfNrtmrNBLOl Fki0pEJRKDuRRRxCwKd8FEthBSP8Ervr/Zqtf+UW9Lt3RWaSqJWl90Km3w6pvUS8qU 2Tf0w168LbzC5pZ2gaXpUIo/jmZQGbpEPPHCjkmw= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:52:17 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use "handshake confirmed" in recovery draft (#3671) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f446ed1738f4_15301964114657"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 01:52:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f446ed1738f4_15301964114657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #3671 via #4046. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This rolls up the normative statements in #3978, so why don't we wait for that to land first.

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It's more words, but it is far less ambiguous. Closes #3802. Commit: 0f5dfe5233f25c139741c60783da398a7ad5261f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f5dfe5233f25c139741c60783da398a7ad5261f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-13 (Thu, 13 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- First packet with a given connection ID Commit: 74dff6511f32ec8a7cde61034cf36abd7846fd64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/74dff6511f32ec8a7cde61034cf36abd7846fd64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 This is an error that can be detected in frame parsing without additional context. Closes #3781. Commit: 2f9e359892127972e75ea8603cc9be2d2cdea2e5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2f9e359892127972e75ea8603cc9be2d2cdea2e5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split conditions for Initial CONNECTION_CLOSE This sentence structure was unnecessarily byzantine. Closes #3902. Commit: 9bc7cc65b763016e2b80e54fb55ea26825ce7c60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9bc7cc65b763016e2b80e54fb55ea26825ce7c60 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-17 (Mon, 17 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND Fixes #4004 Commit: e3639acf3d41ca4729c9a49e51ca6b397e2e7246 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e3639acf3d41ca4729c9a49e51ca6b397e2e7246 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Remove indent from all pseudocode This wasn't consistent before. Also, the extra indent made it really hard to fit within the (paltry) line length limit for figures. Commit: 1c0affd6a24eb300b9f23f942a4982195ace5b3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c0affd6a24eb300b9f23f942a4982195ace5b3d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3984 from quicwg/spin-path Spin bit is path-bound Commit: f1b8397e2423f22f17957af7268624bb566c1289 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1b8397e2423f22f17957af7268624bb566c1289 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- QPACK SC: No encoder memory for blocked (#4008) * No encoder memory for blocked * Caution * @afrind's feedback Commit: 6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6e660ba5d10acfc45b7091fc072e589db03f9d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Restore line breaks Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: 5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cfacde25abe020cb100583cdde3c051ea0096b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4012 from quicwg/pseudocode-indent Remove indent from all pseudocode Commit: 3e5744a7f7ea72f02ae1ebf101624e3d5f7d58b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e5744a7f7ea72f02ae1ebf101624e3d5f7d58b7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Nits on QPACK (#4007) * Nits * Update draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md fix wrap Co-authored-by: afrind Commit: 383bdd1212480dc405d489d2ccd9e9664ee3c0f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/383bdd1212480dc405d489d2ccd9e9664ee3c0f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4002 from quicwg/more-than-2-60 Use FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for stream limits >2^60 Commit: b0be3ff870d54298d367009bd952240971e1da18 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b0be3ff870d54298d367009bd952240971e1da18 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-18 (Tue, 18 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4006 from quicwg/ianswett-cwnd-limit-consistency Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND Commit: 2be72c589170f618a8477d38480de9f282c6a60b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2be72c589170f618a8477d38480de9f282c6a60b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Remove stray parenthesis Commit: d86ca4c000f9d73cf79820ef2c5b2122b6cabc96 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d86ca4c000f9d73cf79820ef2c5b2122b6cabc96 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST not => MUST NOT Commit: aad0988cfcbb0d50021588831a7feb5c0bdf12c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aad0988cfcbb0d50021588831a7feb5c0bdf12c0 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4031 from quicwg/transport/cap-NOT MUST not => MUST NOT Commit: 63dd3d8bee4c39bfa3c61796d21c6077b5b9e0c9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/63dd3d8bee4c39bfa3c61796d21c6077b5b9e0c9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More context for "violation" Commit: d34abedb401f2ccb4972700b9b53005b80377ac1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d34abedb401f2ccb4972700b9b53005b80377ac1 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Absent means not provided Commit: d964adb29dc0a10726d603c5582d932101b0ba25 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d964adb29dc0a10726d603c5582d932101b0ba25 Author: ianswett Date: 2020-08-19 (Wed, 19 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- And rtt estimate Fixes #4026 Commit: 63edcfe0669af7b68a9dc54f7fdf608f63666c9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/63edcfe0669af7b68a9dc54f7fdf608f63666c9c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4033 from quicwg/transport/what-is-absence Absent means not provided Commit: 89f7a96ca0b15b6732cd38588a57f3b440fdd0d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89f7a96ca0b15b6732cd38588a57f3b440fdd0d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4032 from quicwg/transport/define-violation More context for "flow control violation" Commit: 673c405d123055849041628d20def250feb56174 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/673c405d123055849041628d20def250feb56174 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- "don't delay" for PATH_RESPONSE This is the maximal version of a clarification of this text. Closes #4025. Commit: be659eeb336cbebb9472debc74e6f3ab37c5d27a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be659eeb336cbebb9472debc74e6f3ab37c5d27a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Upcase RTT Commit: cc444bc7f72905dafc39acf0cd549f7e828ec6dd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc444bc7f72905dafc39acf0cd549f7e828ec6dd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4034 from quicwg/ianswett-and-rtt-estimate And rtt estimate Commit: 1110c21395abc64b475f3ef40c51e7b1e3196f97 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1110c21395abc64b475f3ef40c51e7b1e3196f97 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4003 from quicwg/split-initial-close Split conditions for Initial CONNECTION_CLOSE Commit: 31ae623274bf0beb8158cf5364bea9eed51bb2bf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31ae623274bf0beb8158cf5364bea9eed51bb2bf Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Holy orders, Batman! Commit: f7eda584c5fa8722002976dc283de8d63d6bf8df https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f7eda584c5fa8722002976dc283de8d63d6bf8df Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-24 (Mon, 24 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Not UDP packets Commit: 132a3994ec52b59a4b323d8c353241f33ce11417 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/132a3994ec52b59a4b323d8c353241f33ce11417 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-24 (Mon, 24 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4042 from quicwg/transport/orders Less confusing "in order to" Commit: 7e28b670d75d1dc846bfa4bf26f073cc97e735fc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e28b670d75d1dc846bfa4bf26f073cc97e735fc Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-24 (Mon, 24 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4044 from quicwg/udp-packets Not UDP packets Commit: 03e7b26a8e0116912322d3ee0a57ffe4074b8800 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03e7b26a8e0116912322d3ee0a57ffe4074b8800 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-25 (Tue, 25 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4036 from quicwg/not-delay "don't delay" for PATH_RESPONSE Commit: 4478c2b99a2c5207451c52366b3d05482ca4f7f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4478c2b99a2c5207451c52366b3d05482ca4f7f4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-25 (Tue, 25 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into define-ss-ca Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/bb961751b316...4478c2b99a2c From nobody Mon Aug 24 18:58:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB69D3A1084 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:58:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pnTqFUbhnMBz for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C19773A1062 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E76520D4B for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598320735; bh=6buOsOHZ5nrAFt5dEazoieB0L8J9EBfD+xr8y3sHpbY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GsPuQ1Bj4d8N3xcRGuTYbAkAcFdCb0uwSLZIRXZcg+HSyGGfH6dUetBdWJKQa0QJt z0Pxb1rzAADvMsrsiQyeC43FibOogf+FbNvHLFQ+f8Els7DIgr3ncuc/NGtYfB96XA LDUI2c9hHRC5msPo1lI86LUxyltHKtxoU+mdGAnQ= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:58:54 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance (#4005) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44705eeb31d_4ca11964269618"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 01:58:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44705eeb31d_4ca11964269618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson pushed 1 commit. 4478c2b99a2c5207451c52366b3d05482ca4f7f4 Merge branch 'master' into define-ss-ca -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think we should wait for #3961 before merging this.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 24 19:01:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1DF3A106D for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 19:01:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iQRwbKcwIcRt for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 19:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA1653A1064 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 19:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D733403F6 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 19:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598320909; bh=+du8GMELfhS9iUgK2cetivG2Au7i6PLDat+LW3lR7QA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O2kt3+DEA1DZStLGw4jYoG7PZUVpnnM/iQmlr4dsBuUBjo5yVVgiENuqW9DkrnmM2 /lKbLZOKKsPJDymKsJFPwx1NkcHhm6X1C+eEdhvPnUwYQNJs/89EEVUbTSAw12Ne29 Of8mXLCgHkcT5Gd6s+JMy57XbM1C+ILtS3R6Zz9w= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 19:01:48 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework section on persistent congestion (#3961) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44710cf3689_4cd01964325999"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:01:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44710cf3689_4cd01964325999 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This resolves a design issue, so flagging it so that it doesn't get merged accidentally. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This resolves a design issue, so flagging it so that it doesn't get merged accidentally.

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@martinthomson : This is part of the consensus call, so we need to wait for that to complete.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Thank you, @kazu-yamamoto !

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I'd like to merge this, @kazu-yamamoto ; can you fix the conflicts?

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Resolved :)

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@martinthomson Thanks. I think that it's @janaiyengar's turn now.

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I'm very curious how many people are going to bother implementing this rather than just throwing up our hands and not declaring persistent congestion across PN spaces.

@mjoras Please read #3972 (comment)

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This issue has a long and storied history. We were originally of the view that only one packet needed to include a token (which you can see in the discussion of #1649). However, the resolution of that issue in #1794 was very clear: every Initial packet needs to include a token.

That introduced a regression as it grouped the token with the connection ID, and we caught that in #1830. However, the fix to that in #1929 reverted the token changes along with the connection ID changes. Since then, this error has gone unnoticed.

Most people will have seen the stronger normative requirement here:

This token MUST be repeated by the client in all Initial packets it sends for that connection after it receives the Retry packet.

To my knowledge, every implementation includes the token in every Initial packet, changing only when a Retry is received. We should reconcile the text.

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That's wrong. From nobody Mon Aug 24 23:49:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8153A076F for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.082 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.082 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UdPj6ydMl1mw for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97B923A074B for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2E2560E3B for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598338148; bh=hRITbuEJA1II9E5PFcrdumRFjS6071Ykja1FStojsPI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Igs/GGfoEZMGrPmAqLEmGZpNlcW/6p24/2yGkRUvrb/XXMKbacoVzrGliRXvlznDt BuL3yb1WYI4FnbfB0hU8JfvYaCJgCzWneDvroX7lW3wtKS1AJWAV4NaeGhsClb5bxR KmJUQZBCtlpE2Qzi8JXxLGV8nyfUY55A9/BkqU00= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retry is allowed if the token comes from NEW_TOKEN (#4048) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44b464ca1b2_2eb91964131263"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:49:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44b464ca1b2_2eb91964131263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original text here might be read to imply that a server can't send Retry if it receives an Initial that contains a token that came from NEW_TOKEN. That's wrong. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4048 -- Commit Summary -- * Retry is allowed if the token comes from NEW_TOKEN -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4048.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4048.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4048 ----==_mimepart_5f44b464ca1b2_2eb91964131263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The original text here might be read to imply that a server can't send
Retry if it receives an Initial that contains a token that came from
NEW_TOKEN. That's wrong.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4048

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  • Retry is allowed if the token comes from NEW_TOKEN

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----==_mimepart_5f44b464ca1b2_2eb91964131263-- From nobody Mon Aug 24 23:49:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596683A0789 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.082 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.082 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KgUg5mcKrklU for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8D13A074B for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764178401F1 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598338157; bh=uXSzSYj1zYpRdmxzTYP1ze7A5Ef/KsOd9CGgtIUdx3A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TmKEscyN4U/r3smMd/irkg7a+spAndkYbX9lX3v1cwc/luZ5GXxUzem+Q8d9Y5v4E BzvQ1kR4CTG7nIfSQpQo/rvHY0r+nk2MUifHbfeAzSxOePhUIzC2XFO9gBq+jrx0ZF ekpdBUbZDrBW/HkCL8IerJj8wPnXqBMUqg4psfE0= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:49:17 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Tokens go in all Initial packets after Retry (#4049) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44b46d66612_7b9c1964167385"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:49:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44b46d66612_7b9c1964167385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See the issue for the sorry history of this mistake. Closes #4047. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4049 -- Commit Summary -- * Tokens go in all Initial packets after Retry -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (19) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4049.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4049.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4049 ----==_mimepart_5f44b46d66612_7b9c1964167385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

See the issue for the sorry history of this mistake.

Closes #4047.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 24 23:51:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928203A07FE for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7CBNbyqVQjrj for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 731CA3A07C0 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241B8840D3D for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:51:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598338262; bh=M1mCFINxDOc+x7b47vWSqxYfE2tkEloHtY+GuaPUOZA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MOWsshcBNYj5JoetR0z5ryypkbt+oLkaaVaJCJmmTy0Py6D/aHqeR9Eda+WlpH4nd xzAMueyFcDJV8H3TyWTeesBbGGn2RWS+qHiRBh5ZoZabbH2Rqua6LU/AIdbTBwTnfQ uWxlLbMWi68y3Urb5c8z1ekgVKY0DybDHomc0PMw= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:51:02 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Tokens are repeated in Initial packets (#4047) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44b4d614a0d_22d41964379076"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:51:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44b4d614a0d_22d41964379076 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > To my knowledge, every implementation includes the token in every Initial packet, changing only when a Retry is received. We should reconcile the text. FWIW, that's what the interop runner tests for in the Retry test case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4047#issuecomment-679838950 ----==_mimepart_5f44b4d614a0d_22d41964379076 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To my knowledge, every implementation includes the token in every Initial packet, changing only when a Retry is received. We should reconcile the text.

FWIW, that's what the interop runner tests for in the Retry test case.

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----==_mimepart_5f44b67e57fc_1dba19641425229-- From nobody Mon Aug 24 23:58:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BCE3A0841 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:58:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfxFXvqelLC2 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0BA63A083D for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF071340DBD for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:58:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598338719; bh=VqXUyfikagJ1DqCohkc8+xQI1SfWXz4VZwu3poxPD6M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TKdGVkaQT56WVuzwfmWxqmnKo5IWF125Y0lzoH9+uXzSxTfc+TxyaVsQeAFTut+kh 2O3oWr1DDY+E0LFUaMU8J6QAqIMpyrcQDXv0rhafPSehXE1/jpUv/bv30BfkxaOUGe 9VRA8s4BM1msOooxzgcfOu6y3/yOfQ9/UfvQP0hc= Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:58:39 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Try again to use ECN? (#4029) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44b69fbe559_66641964895745"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 06:58:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44b69fbe559_66641964895745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gorryfair are you OK with #4037? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4029#issuecomment-679842018 ----==_mimepart_5f44b69fbe559_66641964895745 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gorryfair are you OK with #4037?

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Do we have a plan for this one?

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@ekr the discussion on #4014 seems to close tjhis with no action - agreed?

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I'm looking for two things:

(i) I think this ought to clarify the intention for the SHOULD, I suspect it is clear to those working on this part, but not clear to me why this is a recommendation - i.e., specifically can you give me a use-case of why the Server would otherwise USE information from a packet from an unknown version, unless the intention is to say the server shouldn't waste resources to do try to do this?
(ii) I think this implies understanding of Section 14.1 later in the spec, and a ref would help.

So...

  • Is it equally true that..
    "Servers MUST NOT use the contents of a packet with an unknown version, and SHOULD NOT decrypt this packet, but instead send a Version Negotiation packet, provided that
    the packet is sufficiently long (see Section 14.1)."?

  • Or perhaps simply explain something like:
    "Servers SHOULD NOT commit resources to attempt to decode or decrypt a packet from an
    unknown version, but instead send a Version Negotiation packet, provided that
    the packet is sufficiently long (see Section 14.1)."?

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----==_mimepart_5f44d5a911485_1d81196418796b8-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 02:24:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AA13A0BD9 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tbiwkOIndnR3 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED0EB3A0E52 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EB2E0761 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598347434; bh=eZETyhUWQRTNIF8mdJ61728KBq1BbKQzCfwQul9Xg1U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UmdxQJmAey1WUPSnpDLvWBcqbCWY/OU0sEl80RcY1YkBChNMrkdiUEqdfP4aNz+4m o9H19cztePHDFvM6UGPQuA9wLrIYwYUW06c7gIeUSwzUTK4m+SdhtbGB3/kMuSEJK/ Ly+03h0CBhBcPQNxHcdiDgGLU8ee5+z1cYPKlYO4= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 02:23:54 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add some MUSTs to congestion control (#3978) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f44d8aa12bfd_308d1964106775"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:24:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f44d8aa12bfd_308d1964106775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mirjak commented on this pull request. > @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting in exponential growth of the congestion window. -QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter. -When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start -threshold is set to the new congestion window. QUIC re-enters slow start -any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold, -which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared. +QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon +increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion +window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion This text from RFC5681 is fine and if you want we can take over that language. That text does not say that you need to immediately need to halve the cwnd but you can't transmit more than half the cwnd _over the whole RTT_. That's also what rate halving does actually but by reducing gradually over one RTT you avoid not sending anything for half an RTT and then send full rate in the second half (what the originally fast recovery did as nicely explain in section 1 of RFC6937). PRR addresses a different problem of rate halving which is that you actually might reduce too much (e.g. for cubic when you only want to reduce by 30%, or when multiple packets are lost). PRR still uses rate halving but then goes back into SS to make sure you reach your ssthresh quickly in case you have reduced too much. This is also what is specified for QUIC at the moment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3978#discussion_r476307745 ----==_mimepart_5f44d8aa12bfd_308d1964106775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

This text from RFC5681 is fine and if you want we can take over that language. That text does not say that you need to immediately need to halve the cwnd but you can't transmit more than half the cwnd over the whole RTT. That's also what rate halving does actually but by reducing gradually over one RTT you avoid not sending anything for half an RTT and then send full rate in the second half (what the originally fast recovery did as nicely explain in section 1 of RFC6937). PRR addresses a different problem of rate halving which is that you actually might reduce too much (e.g. for cubic when you only want to reduce by 30%, or when multiple packets are lost). PRR still uses rate halving but then goes back into SS to make sure you reach your ssthresh quickly in case you have reduced too much. This is also what is specified for QUIC at the moment.

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The recovery draft currently has the following text:

When slow start is exited, the congestion
window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion
window.

However, in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5681#section-4.3 ssthresh is reduced upon entering recovery but cwnd is set to ssthresh when leaving recovery.

There is more discussion on this already in PR #3978 and PR #4005.

@ianswett proposed by email the following alternative wording:

MUST reduce the CWND to the ssthresh by the time recovery is exited and implementations MAY use a variety of mechanisms to reduce bytes in flight, including reducing it immediately, packet conservation, PRR(RFC6937) or decreasing the pacing rate.

@janaiyengar noted this text from RFC5861 which works as well:

   Second, until all lost segments in the window of data in question are
   repaired, the number of segments transmitted in each RTT MUST be no
   more than half the number of outstanding segments when the loss was
   detected.

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I think PR 4037 needs surgery. The intent seems pretty clear. I believe root cause of the comments originate from text that isn't perfected. There's lots of colloquial terminology mistakes wrt ECN, some repetition, a few para ordering problems and few sentences needing polish. If we fix all these then maybe (nearly) all the issues will disappear.

@martinthomson ... can I offer to edit the PR text in this section?

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  • Fix Push ID description: replace comma with "and"

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 25 08:18:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426DD3A0E37 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:18:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QH4eB6Gd7OFq for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 118983A0DF6 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621CE600E70 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:18:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598368702; bh=mQaQGojfuFKWuFbfa2yZOqu67IOLqsQ2jvReSUTEvp0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dUjCZTYGtT5e7phc4MN8ENHy9wXMFM5SxrmRv6Xtqe/Udkhl7CxsXyJdzSYJOXSSf JGYpChorJWFv3COtl0uFspRoZ/puIv1cxesK/JnxqrhWL5FR65jHI2oMwho5ZFuGFn J5Xl59VlXSNQRrtXXNLCtZXAql/W0X4MF9VAGXKg= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:18:22 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP nitpick: checkng for maximum Push ID (#4052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f452bbe53183_4f7b1964129187"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:18:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f452bbe53183_4f7b1964129187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Section 4.4 of the HTTP-29 I-D](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-29#section-4.4) states: ``` Server push is only enabled on a connection when a client sends a MAX_PUSH_ID frame; see Section 7.2.7. A server cannot use server push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame. A client sends additional MAX_PUSH_ID frames to control the number of pushes that a server can promise. A server SHOULD use Push IDs sequentially, starting at 0. A client MUST treat receipt of a push stream with a Push ID that is greater than the maximum Push ID as a connection error of type H3_ID_ERROR. ``` The case when the client has not sent a _MAX_PUSH_ID_ frame is not covered. (In this case, the client should treat the receipt of any frame with a Push ID as an error.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4052 ----==_mimepart_5f452bbe53183_4f7b1964129187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 4.4 of the HTTP-29 I-D states:

   Server push is only enabled on a connection when a client sends a
   MAX_PUSH_ID frame; see Section 7.2.7.  A server cannot use server
   push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  A client sends
   additional MAX_PUSH_ID frames to control the number of pushes that a
   server can promise.  A server SHOULD use Push IDs sequentially,
   starting at 0.  A client MUST treat receipt of a push stream with a
   Push ID that is greater than the maximum Push ID as a connection
   error of type H3_ID_ERROR.

The case when the client has not sent a MAX_PUSH_ID frame is not covered. (In this case, the client should treat the receipt of any frame with a Push ID as an error.)

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Personally, the "nonsense" of a byte grid doesn't bother me as much with H/QPACK as with others, and I think I've figured out why:

  • Things are presented one byte at a time instead of four bytes at a time.
  • Prefixed integers will take up the indicated portion of a byte if they fit, but might spill over to additional bytes which come before the next byte shown.
  • QUIC fields were presented four bytes at a time, containing varints which messed with four-byte alignment, so the byte grid never made sense.

I kind of wish there were a better way of indicating visually where these possible extra bytes would fall (=== vs. ---?) but the + in the field length is a strong clue. If folks think the old format is better to stay in sync with HPACK, that's fine -- I just wanted to have the PR and make sure it was a decision instead of inertia.

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Do others agree with @LPardue's framing of the coupling with HPACK vs the other QUIC drafts?

I do.

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----==_mimepart_5f452e186616c_7b2f1964240256-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 08:47:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFD23A0F19 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AkUxgpITm3-m for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E2DD3A0ED9 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C85D840048 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598370432; bh=hkp0mTqQwT4u3/YLzxi3Wqp2N8sXe+6byQXxg+mwnI0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A608w49b4ZNKjmpWom8X9IxftLkJtXycBQNAow0Gh9KmuJYQGlmSQ6hFDawQK2iWb xkk6sbRgmKWlesxnwkUcbyBfKBx7FoC8LQkqIgTvxvcXILGAnIlegHerCtp+qZYqzk dASfjtNMGXTPj46RrhAyHeeayNjZS8FX2eaRYPNA= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:47:12 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP nitpick: checkng for maximum Push ID (#4052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4532808d748_6dc81964931fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:47:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4532808d748_6dc81964931fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is some other text that kinda marks the error case: ``` The maximum Push ID is unset when a connection is created, meaning that a server cannot push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame. ``` One interpretation is that since any value of ID is greater than `unset`, then the error condition holds. But I agree with Dmitri that we could probably make this clearer with some editorializing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4052#issuecomment-680107843 ----==_mimepart_5f4532808d748_6dc81964931fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is some other text that kinda marks the error case:

  The maximum Push ID is unset when a connection is created, meaning
  that a server cannot push until it receives a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.

One interpretation is that since any value of ID is greater than unset, then the error condition holds. But I agree with Dmitri that we could probably make this clearer with some editorializing.

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since any value of ID is greater than unset

That's a big stretch. Does it hold in languages that have a NaN, such as JavaScript? E.g., can one write assert(0 > NaN);?

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Since it starts as unset, and MAX_PUSH_ID can only increase the value then in this world, 0 must be greater than unset

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Fundamentally, it's a caution against assumptions which could prove incorrect, such as "this looks like an unencrypted TLS ClientHello, so I can go find the field that contains...." The server will either process information in a way that could be used maliciously, or the server will generate a response that won't be understood by the client. Ideally, this would be a MUST, except that it's entirely unenforceable by the client what the server does internally.

Perhaps the right solution here is to remove the normative language with regard to that piece:

The first packet for an unsupported version can use different semantics and encodings for any version-specific field. In particular, different packet protection keys might be used for different versions. Servers that do not support a particular version are unlikely to be able to decrypt the payload of the packet. Servers SHOULD respond with a Version Negotiation packet, provided that the packet datagram is sufficiently long.

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----==_mimepart_5f4534406f689_2e3819642182e7-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 09:05:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E743F3A0F9F for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.629, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnmlFbE580yq for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 648723A0F9D for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755BB34059B for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598371505; bh=LMAqd4pEaxbnkJK5GOib7CcL28lcxl+P8rcomFCG6U0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eSiJxO4jBeKpMZdw/7SId5P/5jN4snY9j7G/PzGTafnkfPruhipmaL/h5PrtTpfO/ kfVo4eR+NyuzRBDhayIkRwWopmUL40TbT9fAEeHA0Eiw3RhFiVIiuh9zmf5ypwc/tR zQZXrAIj1LebZtcLd4wasxE9tu9VkQGWIhy2MjZw= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:05 -0700 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] This seems like tuning (#4020) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4536b16361d_6ef19642509d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:05:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4536b16361d_6ef19642509d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That approach seems fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4020#issuecomment-680118557 ----==_mimepart_5f4536b16361d_6ef19642509d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That approach seems fine.

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----==_mimepart_5f4536b16361d_6ef19642509d9-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 09:05:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1543A0F9D for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wy5E4iSdJSsm for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 033A13A0F97 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AA69027D3 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598371527; bh=e5BUah72cCcOkAGZZ6Jvxo9+TEQxHu8OTJgK47LuEeA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N0A+oupHTZy4JwafU2oXtNKzb7l+6bpa3rn1dJtM4KEv6ND+vj+dbHEg1ypvMO/LW rHrRFFtJc15J6XnSNCT9sSVj4mgd+B9thfRDZHM4RlqNlqZCvYVILsGjvrGf9tDPiD PdD5K+wf5dn/o+o/+hTLMica2lFEnCJ05AVMG1Jk= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:05:27 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP nitpick: checkng for maximum Push ID (#4052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4536c7409cd_41e01964203710"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:05:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4536c7409cd_41e01964203710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is "unset?" <DmitriMode>If 0 is a valid value, then "unset" means `UINT64_MAX`, which is *not* smaller than 0. That is, it is not true that `UINT64_MAX < 0`, which is what the text says.</DmitriMode> -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4052#issuecomment-680118827 ----==_mimepart_5f4536c7409cd_41e01964203710 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What is "unset?" <DmitriMode>If 0 is a valid value, then "unset" means UINT64_MAX, which is not smaller than 0. That is, it is not true that UINT64_MAX < 0, which is what the text says.</DmitriMode>

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Sure, but then it makes it very hard to send a MAX_PUSH_ID that doesn't decrease the value.

I think we agree that it would help the doc to fix your original nitpick.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 25 13:13:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145AF3A0B7B for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:13:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=0.726, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u2B11XE0fpn5 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD3EF3A0B75 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BA9340079 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598386381; bh=u/56381diKakvM7zYgPBIz4YvFiBUdUSZTCc/4MHlvM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xGX2qgPp+cxEnON3jfv7AeRvIymi2zaf4VMA0ZOQp82dfQ4nDaoHreEhlvuDM7zyW fy0rcw7UAeBCZ0kxD77u5lrTUcbSrg1dB46BD6r30VRY7yzoKg7zYKvVVGuaIM3qk4 VCAG3R9OUcDL3Ji9EgASQ90bveOX/sUR5mbzTpOE= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:13:01 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] SHOULD NOT attempt to parse -> unlikely to be able (#4053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4570cd14617_45661964850ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:13:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4570cd14617_45661964850ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #4020; instead of saying servers SHOULD NOT attempt to parse unknown versions, stick with the factual statement that they will likely be unable to do so. Flips the SHOULD to the second half of the sentence, the expected response. I believe this is editorial, since we're not modifying expected behavior, but it's touching normative language, so please speak up if you're not convinced. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053 -- Commit Summary -- * Convert a SHOULD NOT to a SHOULD -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053 ----==_mimepart_5f4570cd14617_45661964850ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #4020; instead of saying servers SHOULD NOT attempt to parse unknown versions, stick with the factual statement that they will likely be unable to do so. Flips the SHOULD to the second half of the sentence, the expected response.

I believe this is editorial, since we're not modifying expected behavior, but it's touching normative language, so please speak up if you're not convinced.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053

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  • Convert a SHOULD NOT to a SHOULD

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----==_mimepart_5f4570cd14617_45661964850ca-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 13:32:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CA53A0B93 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dk_7ryVo7n-l for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FC893A0B92 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB7A5C0E83 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598387565; bh=MWO2sR4c7gYZCpNSz9tJ4/8EJikUmL1HOJrvi0naQiE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kIwnBsVc0J0L09l5UzopcOTn4S6z2nTaKZ3M3bN3B5EYTrgqxXuB74EIZAXMBhRM8 /N1XaWYsAdn1s0rOy+D+1WULh7Pu6ajjEe9auAwbRilH0yPeRB78D3kPwhh4+lol6u ktAFp0ZNafmC1rV8+bcNuRnWCLoVgn8mrSlOAS68= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:32:45 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP nitpick: checkng for maximum Push ID (#4052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f45756d2cdb2_5c62196421367d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:32:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f45756d2cdb2_5c62196421367d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unset is negative one? The frame sets a `push_allowed` boolean? I see a couple possible doc fixes. The most minimal change is to simply state that it is also an error to receive anything that uses a Push ID if no MAX_PUSH_ID frame has been sent. That's compatible and consistent with the intent of the current design. Alternatively, we could define MAX_PUSH_ID to tell the recipient *how many* Push IDs they can use; 0 is the initial value, and sending 0 leaves push disabled. That's consistent with QUIC's MAX_STREAMS et al. but would be a breaking change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4052#issuecomment-680254905 ----==_mimepart_5f45756d2cdb2_5c62196421367d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Unset is negative one? The frame sets a push_allowed boolean?

I see a couple possible doc fixes. The most minimal change is to simply state that it is also an error to receive anything that uses a Push ID if no MAX_PUSH_ID frame has been sent. That's compatible and consistent with the intent of the current design.

Alternatively, we could define MAX_PUSH_ID to tell the recipient how many Push IDs they can use; 0 is the initial value, and sending 0 leaves push disabled. That's consistent with QUIC's MAX_STREAMS et al. but would be a breaking change.

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----==_mimepart_5f45756d2cdb2_5c62196421367d-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 13:37:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0513F3A0B94 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0N5OveAu3oW for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8A763A0B79 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984F560DA1 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598387852; bh=AdPnRkddTieNp8pN5ktOp0mVRKOEt1FlgHodUowwjjo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GYE8AimyLL5dTBXaKgI/0HVM1ERHZoqxULofXQw9xQzCqKMXYHYFkBvOHofwMMJoA 5Kq3DJ2AUSpU/fPmA8ZC9L/faMq1M4+3e9OI2792FxC675t2by03Jpc2K42lq76/6E y6IL9uCbmFZ0Br+mvwgzM8BMIZHWHt+55bGikBB0= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:37:32 -0700 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP nitpick: checkng for maximum Push ID (#4052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f45768cd99d3_3db71964239767"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:37:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f45768cd99d3_3db71964239767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I vote for the simplest approach: > [...] state that it is also an error to receive anything that uses a Push ID if no MAX_PUSH_ID frame has been sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4052#issuecomment-680257063 ----==_mimepart_5f45768cd99d3_3db71964239767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I vote for the simplest approach:

[...] state that it is also an error to receive anything that uses a Push ID if no MAX_PUSH_ID frame has been sent.

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----==_mimepart_5f45768cd99d3_3db71964239767-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 13:45:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF333A0BA1 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.629, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XqPnpZtaw2ms for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07AB63A0BA0 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E42B5C0048 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598388302; bh=6OKaFaheHfqMZ5/FMq/VInbzMmdpIPENWwkKbY1p9Lk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B0f1NY4O9YgXDkeYTL815UtsZPdszje/yWXV1F0gK8velTMeZ/CHNfjHL0U7v2RyL itHQFel9U48kyc1RxwQG8jHYcngTz9IUpGWlaETdxHUT/mJJB85EUfFEN3K/B+3pCy 9eQiUnG6FZUVsrienaKGZgJopfXy3vfkrE3QWv9g= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:45:02 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP nitpick: checkng for maximum Push ID (#4052) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f45784e3edf5_464a1964237375"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:45:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f45784e3edf5_464a1964237375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +1 let's keep it simple -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4052#issuecomment-680260326 ----==_mimepart_5f45784e3edf5_464a1964237375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

+1 let's keep it simple

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 25 13:57:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6945F3A0BCA for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.082 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.082 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aTDUTRoTx7S3 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB0523A0BC4 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11730E0DB7 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:57:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598389027; bh=jc3TsfsD/aHMQICqFaTGNXeMhZcEzX3cLCNFLRfyBpE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=s851tv8O6Tpwvlt5GQMxkOWua9SPF1cq76R6LkfPkH05NKycIZwduWTaOL21eCitg 4o0SjGDmAJ3yCw7o6reVIvCbmXvNupVjZYmOw7EPCd34udXX2UL3AstfwFGuF4TUyg v+hIiyXFYAtgE1HGlPenCTTwZGTc+/i4yuFeE7Zs= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:57:07 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handle unset Maximum Push ID (#4054) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f457b2331e3_556d19644622fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:57:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f457b2331e3_556d19644622fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #4052. Probably editorial since this is what was previously intended, but still touching a MUST. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4054 -- Commit Summary -- * Handle unset Maximum Push ID -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4054.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4054.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4054 ----==_mimepart_5f457b2331e3_556d19644622fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #4052. Probably editorial since this is what was previously intended, but still touching a MUST.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4054

Commit Summary

  • Handle unset Maximum Push ID

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Aug 25 15:16:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504D23A03F5 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KSvBVJw5SWnc for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D066C3A03F4 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D819B340E87 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598393766; bh=FQ2BE6JCecNu9+sl42piUxgPuQIdbzqgDDm73yEhdzE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yxayupl7a9MDzlyhAQ3J/MCtNNf3++MLpcpGWWIEwXX/V5H/McZxPZm2gmMkj9wTv m4gmt0WY9Hz7Qfhcy2EQKMiV3+r7G9Q7eCTN+Nnmk6xEqidToRAYbKHiz0wa1Uwdxx SsRoM9KuSm3NbRReIwIKum+C1AzTVPUe2ibU7m4A= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:16:06 -0700 From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should QPACK use the new layout? (#3999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f458da6c40d1_621b1964103099"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:16:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f458da6c40d1_621b1964103099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like we have a preference for the existing layout over the new one. Closing this issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Sounds like we have a preference for the existing layout over the new one. Closing this issue.

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Following #3999.

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A server might not send a Version Negotiation packet if the datagram it receives is smaller than the minimum size specified in a different version.
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@marten-seemann : Yes, that's what sent us off on this chase :-)

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Closes #4047. 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This discussion belongs in #3944, since #3978 hasn't been merged yet. Let's move this there.

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This would be excellent to add after we've merged the normatives in #3978.

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----==_mimepart_5f45948c79f63_2cee1964368737-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 15:46:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBE93A0819 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.629, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Shqgv2D37sbX for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E246D3A0816 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01251520930 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:46:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598395566; bh=SkXGQ9Qbe4hfu/yB1FHmQci/6XLQc3r6aCisKZTy5sY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P+VBarA7bdLKN1DpCTLxE+rXRok+jZXNJXONmoDE3kopYBOlGIhVADh3JopCltI7A mAMlc10wqYEkxQvraaoouzW2U3SnuuXcgGGEKrbjX7iOwiNzOJPlVXfpfct2wlgafh PVOvTHiqxkyiXdJtyfrg8gj3UN8T3YoiA9WtKdME= Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:46:05 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define slow start and congestion avoidance (#3982) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4594ade4cf2_7acc1964232038"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 22:46:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4594ade4cf2_7acc1964232038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, I think now that this really is 3 states. Your FSM works for me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3982#issuecomment-680305951 ----==_mimepart_5f4594ade4cf2_7acc1964232038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

FWIW, I think now that this really is 3 states. Your FSM works for me.

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@kazu-yamamoto : you are right; perhaps this could be made part of #3982?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

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But I'm talking about the pseudocode. My implementation based on the pseudocode enters "recovery" after "slow start". That's why I noticed this issue. We should fix the pseudocode somehow. (To fix this bug, I introduced a variable to hold the state explicitly in Haskell quic.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4045#issuecomment-680344591 ----==_mimepart_5f45aab4bf69d_2a92196437316f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar Better definition of each state is welcome. But I'm talking about the pseudocode. My implementation based on the pseudocode enters "recovery" after "slow start". That's why I noticed this issue. We should fix the pseudocode somehow. (To fix this bug, I introduced a variable to hold the state explicitly in Haskell quic.)

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  • Add some MUSTs
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Attempt to define slow start/congestion avoidance
  • detected/increased
  • Integrate the changes from #3978
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • ssthresh being initiallly infinite means that you start in slow start
  • Clarify NewReno
  • Remove a sentence
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
  • Reword congestion signal response
  • Merge branch 'master' into define-ss-ca
  • Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/ianswett-must-new-reno' into define-ss-ca
  • A Congestion Control state machine

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The language in the draft was confusing. Hopefully #4055 helps there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4045#issuecomment-680352463 ----==_mimepart_5f45ac3567193_706d19645317c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Entering recovery after slow start is correct. The language in the draft was confusing. Hopefully #4055 helps there.

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Thanks for doing this -- a few minor comments. Overall LGTM, but let's wait until iterations on #3978 end and we know where that lands. > + +The sender exits slow start and enters a recovery period when a packet is lost +or when the ECN-CE count reported by its peer increases. + +A sender re-enters slow start any time the congestion window is less than the +slow start threshold, which only occurs after persistent congestion is +declared. + +### Recovery Period {#recovery-period} + +A sender enters the recovery period when it detects the loss of a packet or the +ECN-CE count reported by its peer increases. A sender that is already in a +recovery period stays in it and does not re-enter it. + +On entering a recovery period, a sender MUST set the slow start threshold to +the half the value of the congestion window at the moment that loss is ```suggestion half the value of the congestion window at the moment that loss is ``` > The recovery period aims to limit congestion window reduction to once per round -trip. Therefore during recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged -irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter. +trip. Therefore during a recovery period, the congestion window remains does ```suggestion trip. Therefore during a recovery period, the congestion window does ``` > +sent during the recovery period is acknowledged. This is slightly different +from TCP's definition of recovery, which ends when the lost packet that started +recovery is acknowledged. ```suggestion sent during the recovery period is acknowledged. This is slightly different from TCP's definition of recovery, which ends when the lost segment that started recovery is acknowledged ({{?RFC5681}}). ``` > ~~~ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time): - // Start a new congestion event if packet was sent after the - // start of the previous congestion recovery period. - if (!InCongestionRecovery(sent_time)): - congestion_recovery_start_time = now() - congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor - congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow) - ssthresh = congestion_window - // A packet can be sent to speed up loss recovery. - MaybeSendOnePacket() + // No reaction when recovery period. ```suggestion // No reaction if already in a recovery period. ``` > + v + +------------+ Loss or +------------+ + | Congestion | ECN-CE increase | Recovery | + | Avoidance |------------------>| Period | + +------------+ +------------+ + ^ | + | | + +----------------------------+ + Acknowledgment of packet + sent during recovery +~~~ +{: #fig-cc-fsm title="Congestion Control States and Transitions"} + +These states and the transitions between them are described in subsequent +sections. + Perhaps add a note about persistent congestion, since that's not an explicit state in this machine. Maybe something like "Note that a sender can declare persistent congestion in any of these states (see {{persistent-congestion}}), after which it enters slow start.". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4055#pullrequestreview-475071512 ----==_mimepart_5f45b01377803_931196449758d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks for doing this -- a few minor comments. Overall LGTM, but let's= wait until iterations on #3978 end and we know where that lands.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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+The sender exits slow start and enters a recovery period when a packet i=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-trip. Therefore during a recovery period, the=
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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-sent during the recovery period is acknowledg=
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-recovery is acknowledged.=0D
+sent during the recovery period is acknowledged. This is slightly differ=
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+from TCP's definition of recovery, which ends when the lost segment that=
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-  // No reaction when recovery period.=0D
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Perhaps add a note about persistent congestion, since that's not an ex= plicit state in this machine. Maybe something like "Note that a sender ca= n declare persistent congestion in any of these states (see {{persistent-= congestion}}), after which it enters slow start.".

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The language in the draft was confusing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+~~~
+                 Start or         +------------+
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |
+                                  +------------+
+                                        |
+                                Loss or |
+                        ECN-CE increase |
+                                        v
+ +------------+     Loss or       +------------+
+ | Congestion |  ECN-CE increase  |  Recovery  |
+ | Avoidance  |------------------>|   Period   |
+ +------------+                   +------------+

It would be nice if you drew what happens in Recovery Period in the case of Loss or ECN-CE increase. In my understanding, Recovery Period continues and both cwin and ssthresh are not changed. I'm not sure if congestion_recovery_start_time is changed.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+~~~
+                 Start or         +------------+
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |
+                                  +------------+
+                                        |
+                                Loss or |
+                        ECN-CE increase |
+                                        v
+ +------------+     Loss or       +------------+
+ | Congestion |  ECN-CE increase  |  Recovery  |
+ | Avoidance  |------------------>|   Period   |
+ +------------+                   +------------+

Nothing happens. The only real actions occur on entry (and maybe on exit, depending on when you decide to apply the congestion window decrease). The text and pseudocode capture this; I had trouble fitting anything more into the diagram.

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Closed #4045.

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After merging #4055, the pseudocode matches the language. Let's close this.

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Let's leave this open until #4055 merges then.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+~~~
+                 Start or         +------------+
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |
+                                  +------------+
+                                        |
+                                Loss or |
+                        ECN-CE increase |
+                                        v
+ +------------+     Loss or       +------------+
+ | Congestion |  ECN-CE increase  |  Recovery  |
+ | Avoidance  |------------------>|   Period   |
+ +------------+                   +------------+

OK.

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@mirjak commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+~~~
+                 Start or         +------------+
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |
+                                  +------------+
+                                        |
+                                Loss or |
+                        ECN-CE increase |
+                                        v
+ +------------+     Loss or       +------------+
+ | Congestion |  ECN-CE increase  |  Recovery  |
+ | Avoidance  |------------------>|   Period   |
+ +------------+                   +------------+

Shouldn't this also show how to transition out of recovery?

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@mirjak commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -during the recovery period is acknowledged.  This is slightly different from
-TCP's definition of recovery, which ends when the lost packet that started
-recovery is acknowledged.
+A NewReno sender enters the recovery period when it detects loss or an ECN-CE
+mark is received. A recovery period ends when a packet sent during the recovery
+period is acknowledged.
+
+A sender that is already in a recovery period stays in it and does not re-enter
+it.
+
+On entering recovery, a sender MUST do the following:
+
+* set the slow start threshold to half the value of the congestion window at the
+  moment that loss is detected, and
+
+* set the congestion window to the new value of the slow start

This still say that you have to set the cwnd to ssthresh when entering recovery. Saying that you have to do this when entering recovery and then saying that you may do it it later seems confusing.

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----==_mimepart_5f461fbf74d46_3465196416237-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 02:36:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F983A1134 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mt4ud-BCUs4b for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93CB13A1133 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3706840093 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:36:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598434581; bh=PvavDdds92rjQTUdSLYW836h6O+ftvdhvY1w6JVi8Tc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=02e1gb5MuKAJ+kWbkzTn9g6Jbm79abYw14DpYCWtM2evSDrTjk54cfiqOZkAHG6Uc JCBaBZKHAqoJM+U5nZ14APGd+KDS2k9d8377i3uudElN1M/ORRSb86OD04hTw6tjQi Xhv6sYjnEN6XLFmZeRO7nK14Kt+L3gC6/IXZ146c= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:36:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 2a9667: fix nits; reorder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:36:24 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gorry-ecn-rewrite Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 2a96678726bdd6b4c36589de9761854c5475826c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2a96678726bdd6b4c36589de9761854c5475826c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-26 (Wed, 26 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fix nits; reorder From nobody Wed Aug 26 02:37:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F9F3A113A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:37:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pVNa8oXTFGLK for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A033F3A1137 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C435E600A70 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:37:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598434642; bh=DX9Sh9UKKnlpLAJbpTJe4HS0nfCDGu/AIWBtSB2cVVg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=az8l9ZhvGysOj79ZEq/kTdpTZRQUDliRw63Ux6HmzgpDUmsGCxWRZGoQmNwaQW/7D DPblTW64hxQ4wZpbon6zyAKZrrUBLozw/L/WN0Mc+EUSY3BqMc2nF45jO1sw8Tcsfh NnOe8baaJKbLJCy77aTpK3F8YhAuoSas40MWW90c= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:37:22 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] e37fb1: Script updating gh-pages from 2a966787. 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Closed #4050.

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----==_mimepart_5f4639d555a11_2f011964160170-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:30:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56BB3A0BDE for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AOTPEdFuvY6e for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A36A43A0BE4 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8A95E020B for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598437845; bh=frbQf0iCCeP21B2W8AtikguVvGNdzSlOmAsHfJKqnH0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=R78wFFFdnwBwr7z4jfTkDY4RHpjDhIMCmPGYNAyzHi9ih7RocuHm0CUXAGoGCpZGW QjAdI8PB2qK4wvsezvmSzDJWNqYYI5RI908cocl90+PXB/IhkUQm9vRmmi+VNA/q8J iQKosTybRLBo9IDnV533ipLW+9vz4bJ9nx0wGAtw= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:30:45 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When to reduce cwnd in recovery (#4050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4639d5cc021_2a901964119812"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:30:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4639d5cc021_2a901964119812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll close this one, since we have #3944 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4050#issuecomment-680797723 ----==_mimepart_5f4639d5cc021_2a901964119812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'll close this one, since we have #3944

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This looks like it should go into -recovery, since -transport mostly only refers to max_ack_delay as a TP, except in Section 13.2.1 ("sending-acknowledgements"), but that text is very general.

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----==_mimepart_5f463d3557d1b_287519641261d3-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:47:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2B83A0B4A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:47:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Thb0wFAMTTKE for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BD063A08F5 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C749956008E for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:47:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598438874; bh=Tmss1jBplw3AAwMvRETPSZ0V4sxqwV4W7Ia0CjG+Boo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TzZnvsUcRxdcqqn6obkRle0+T/r0V4udS1CdNEP1oB7qM6zMBek1DeQwlq3zmBllV APs45sLBiEwwhQqssSoM4XO9leVyL9XRWpXugskUGdtm+a3nGX6pBCOwI2AWDlGkG8 Vz0gxgmQKJ/WW6d5VaU2uaVOUoznNojIpFc87Wo0= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:47:54 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow for other inputs than packets (#3873) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f463ddab7c76_8ee1964769bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:47:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f463ddab7c76_8ee1964769bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should this become proposal-ready? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3873#issuecomment-680804993 ----==_mimepart_5f463ddab7c76_8ee1964769bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5f463ddab7c76_8ee1964769bb-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:48:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6973A0B4A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:48:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mlm7BiwFWr1w for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA38A3A08F5 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CE3840E78 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:48:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598438900; bh=VNjaDoEQT9OUMN6e6BkoZaqY3PNThJLxVnagfvoTaiI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=varlY9cebZL00NcggCzjn/xiaoJr45HakbUXQMYa0eAcN0XhQCXZSTlVCdw6BlnBQ 4Nq5nwdp7MiU8bHVUjjp91t+oNgU8TeuZwEmHgKYKerIJSGvTS3j2utZab4zubPQf4 bF5ehRvrdbX1OZycubSIeLfN4q5YgsX8s/uv2rPY= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:48:20 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion period: text and pseudo-code don't agree (#3972) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f463df4b753e_1ab819641806e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:48:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f463df4b753e_1ab819641806e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Should this become proposal-ready? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3972#issuecomment-680805234 ----==_mimepart_5f463df4b753e_1ab819641806e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5f463df4b753e_1ab819641806e2-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:50:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A06B3A0BCB for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:50:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P8FaPcs4l0UL for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77C773A0BD2 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39389025F5 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598439035; bh=97NhPuMlmZj/HTufFn2CSrJQE56vpuwE5kHUjdpmzUI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=If8mjNPO3PlZ52V1KGDslMJPZdSocXaR6Iwq5fcQSk1SDtfabeWU9XDxFLmVI8mKJ OWvwIL0RPu/e/gbbWVR5ekqzv7mxoC0PrrXOZNDooCiuKegL96U0pPgXli/kcvt4ZP pEmiPXa3MiuJ/wPAQJW/+Eu7KOmUR2vpnFFdYrKs= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:50:35 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK could use some examples (#1454) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f463e7bb42b4_1afa1964368b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:50:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f463e7bb42b4_1afa1964368b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This has been sitting around for almost two years. *If* we think that adding examples is a good idea, can we make this happen now? Or can we close with no action? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1454#issuecomment-680806170 ----==_mimepart_5f463e7bb42b4_1afa1964368b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This has been sitting around for almost two years. If we think that adding examples is a good idea, can we make this happen now? Or can we close with no action?

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Looks like this is good to go.

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----==_mimepart_5f463eec2f56c_1b2196410231c-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:56:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7978B3A0E1D for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:56:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9PbOCbkN9ZV for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74D433A0E1A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64143340E28 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598439400; bh=pND6rzhGdkRlwXqAY1WrGEkzYC9itXq76TVs7e/uORc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VJwQP4pt1eGcpOa1oOFqIatNCW0rTYez49RmvB5bh/37S1rTyobfSsz8vAKWrwy8z g8OzJv6XX1hIMHPweD09rKjH+UamQocCtwEj2jMm8uIjiEgHEagXvl0oCuFPdPRnAp OxwmI4fJYLMQBKPEt5gw6Z1yeu+UPkJWnGhmXGTU= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:56:40 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The QUIC-TLS draft should define anti-forgery limits for packet lengths up to 2^16 (#3701) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f463fe852d3b_c1b1964610b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:56:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f463fe852d3b_c1b1964610b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone care to prepare a PR for this one? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3701#issuecomment-680808548 ----==_mimepart_5f463fe852d3b_c1b1964610b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Anyone care to prepare a PR for this one?

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----==_mimepart_5f463fe852d3b_c1b1964610b1-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 03:58:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6850D3A0DB9 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:58:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TUfVEH5G1aGK for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 347CF3A0BBE for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C90C9025AB for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:58:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598439492; bh=J/IvhWvLUqFy0xim4rUJI1MJuapekp5j3FuNOCvDeck=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NZb16TYpgpZroz36EAfmjKYynoVfjnpQWpRSeyCbGAUGU1/KI8qf4hYrdzPg7rMkO 3rEvJ1Tc+Xdz2BvTzi7MLjZRWOcoU/is8HIZpyjd1gTJXjKdlu7bwEcqHoROnPTrIh r+cVdcgHydPgZTRcBT4RzaKjBpd/PBx8DAJM9vp0= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 03:58:12 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Tweak the split between quic-transport and quic-tls drafts (#3717) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4640445d40b_4c1b19646962c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:58:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4640445d40b_4c1b19646962c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since @DavidSchinazi volunteered to prepare a PR, please let him know when the working copies are stable enough for this shuffling to happen without much pain. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3717#issuecomment-680809184 ----==_mimepart_5f4640445d40b_4c1b19646962c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since @DavidSchinazi volunteered to prepare a PR, please let him know when the working copies are stable enough for this shuffling to happen without much pain.

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Can we make progress in this one?

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----==_mimepart_5f46408840fa9_63c91964469f2-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 04:09:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3838F3A0EF2 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pX8sZFH2idaS for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8893A3A0EF0 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C068252074D for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:09:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598440171; bh=4a9S0843oJO0AStjZHOepXmJYi1qIVe6vMF0awofCqw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vXLNpO6MYnhhzU7IeEOe03LJmmEVX+tnUqoCYpkKKZkAZH2zQxoATxVqpwa0XGcEc Nif0spcIH0F71wI7hToBXf2i5A2HvRdzzF2EsZJ4S8W8lV9lomvgIo2k0FdO4noFHM 7VT7TwowpPok0P5lg24pv+apsf5QhOp+WqM9h9AE= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 04:09:31 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK could use some examples (#1454) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4642ebb05a8_71281964114199"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:09:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4642ebb05a8_71281964114199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a recent implementer, I found the offline QPACK tests very useful. I don't know if textual examples are a good idea. There's a challenge to make them clear, concise and complete. But if you're going to add some, then perhaps also think about including one with "out of order delivery" where HEADERS arrive before their required inserts. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1454#issuecomment-680813912 ----==_mimepart_5f4642ebb05a8_71281964114199 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As a recent implementer, I found the offline QPACK tests very useful.

I don't know if textual examples are a good idea. There's a challenge to make them clear, concise and complete. But if you're going to add some, then perhaps also think about including one with "out of order delivery" where HEADERS arrive before their required inserts.

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Follow-up to #3573.

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  • Fix caption of Figure 10: MAX_PUSH_ID Frame

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |=0D
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |=0D
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+                                Loss or |=0D
+                        ECN-CE increase |=0D
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-            persistent congestion |   Slow     |=0D
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-                                  +------------+=0D
-                                        |=0D
-                                Loss or |=0D
-                        ECN-CE increase |=0D
-                                        v=0D
+            Start                 +------------+=0D
+             (O)----------------->|   Slow     |=0D
+       +------------------------->|   Start    |=0D
+       |                          +------------+=0D
+       | Persistent                     |=0D
+       | congestion             Loss or |=0D
+       |                ECN-CE increase |=0D
+       |                                v=0D
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It's probably worth calling persistent congestion out as a separate tr= ansition rather than a restart. Though it's more complex than that, sinc= e I believe persistent congestion is also checked only on a loss event.=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  =0D
-## Recovery Period {#recovery-period}=0D
+A sender enters the recovery period when it detects the loss of a packet=
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+ECN-CE count reported by its peer increases. A sender that is already in=
 a=0D
+recovery period stays in it and does not re-enter it.=0D
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Switching between "the"/"a" here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> -threshold is set to the new congestion wi=
ndow.  QUIC re-enters slow start=0D
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,=0D=

-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.=0D
+~~~=0D
+                 Start or         +------------+=0D
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |=0D
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |=0D
+                                  +------------+=0D
+                                        |=0D
+                                Loss or |=0D
+                        ECN-CE increase |=0D
+                                        v=0D
+ +------------+     Loss or       +------------+=0D
+ | Congestion |  ECN-CE increase  |  Recovery  |=0D
+ | Avoidance  |------------------>|   Period   |=0D
+ +------------+                   +------------+=0D
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Looks like that's been added.

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(#4057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f46987aaac20_7cff196488141"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:14:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f46987aaac20_7cff196488141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In HTTP/2, only DATA frames are flow controlled. In HTTP/3, all frames are sent on STREAM frames, meaning that all frames are flow controlled. This is fine but it might bite people that make wrong assumptions, just like the differences in stream ordering would. HTTP/3 appendix A provides Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2, and includes a section on Frame Types. So I expected to see some coverage about the flow control differences there but I did not. I'm marking this as editorial because I don't want any change to HTTP/3. Just looking for some exposition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4057 ----==_mimepart_5f46987aaac20_7cff196488141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In HTTP/2, only DATA frames are flow controlled. In HTTP/3, all frames are sent on STREAM frames, meaning that all frames are flow controlled. This is fine but it might bite people that make wrong assumptions, just like the differences in stream ordering would.

HTTP/3 appendix A provides Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2, and includes a section on Frame Types. So I expected to see some coverage about the flow control differences there but I did not.

I'm marking this as editorial because I don't want any change to HTTP/3. Just looking for some exposition.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -during the recovery period is acknowledged.  This is slightly different from
-TCP's definition of recovery, which ends when the lost packet that started
-recovery is acknowledged.
+A NewReno sender enters the recovery period when it detects loss or an ECN-CE
+mark is received. A recovery period ends when a packet sent during the recovery
+period is acknowledged.
+
+A sender that is already in a recovery period stays in it and does not re-enter
+it.
+
+On entering recovery, a sender MUST do the following:
+
+* set the slow start threshold to half the value of the congestion window at the
+  moment that loss is detected, and
+
+* set the congestion window to the new value of the slow start

Good point - fixed

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:29:06 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 23dd580e62d723461842986ebdd77ee26da23371 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/23dd580e62d723461842986ebdd77ee26da23371 Author: Kazu Yamamoto Date: 2020-07-22 (Wed, 22 Jul 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- adding comment for max_ack_delay. Commit: 5956eaa304742a74dd96c6315f9f55b133e23cd4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5956eaa304742a74dd96c6315f9f55b133e23cd4 Author: Kazu Yamamoto Date: 2020-08-03 (Mon, 03 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- moving a comment from code to its definition. Commit: 76f3262f9c6b3a7f8ef9e7d7aed8c2505486430c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/76f3262f9c6b3a7f8ef9e7d7aed8c2505486430c Author: Kazu Yamamoto Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- adopting Jana's suggestion. Commit: 3d5626733b33b844e9e7d66a3e8bcc3ce187a5fb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3d5626733b33b844e9e7d66a3e8bcc3ce187a5fb Author: Kazu Yamamoto Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- removing the initialization code of max_ack_delay. Commit: 175a16cae6018ac4d9bdc308f4773b9d5b174171 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/175a16cae6018ac4d9bdc308f4773b9d5b174171 Author: Kazu Yamamoto Date: 2020-08-20 (Thu, 20 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- adding a comment about ack_delay. Commit: 544efe50534d4dea3ac11993846ff8ffd32992eb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/544efe50534d4dea3ac11993846ff8ffd32992eb Author: Kazu Yamamoto Date: 2020-08-24 (Mon, 24 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- fixing the typo pointed out by kazuho. Commit: 215b1bb3d5c6b3b161c85977342bbf6721a129cf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/215b1bb3d5c6b3b161c85977342bbf6721a129cf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-25 (Tue, 25 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into fixi-max-ack-delay Commit: cca47c5970e8aea1c51aa55036f45f59d2e8630e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cca47c5970e8aea1c51aa55036f45f59d2e8630e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-26 (Wed, 26 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 8e9d757e75713326c13ccaf851d8e2aa8d56a290 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e9d757e75713326c13ccaf851d8e2aa8d56a290 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-26 (Wed, 26 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3938 from kazu-yamamoto/fixi-max-ack-delay Fixing max_ack_delay Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/6de735dd0629...8e9d757e7571 From nobody Wed Aug 26 12:29:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325753A08E1 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:29:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ps_AbUFb5Xdb for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94B713A08DB for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F7A7A0048 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:29:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598470154; bh=/ukdfh+GR8pyHCepKKXHFPpCKdgKhCMaHIECVyu/yaw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=s/ze4Z2shOSlzTSdWrGWcfy7HTR9z8TFOtGYA68hkL7u/ZPsFIiThfDLErbslWy7Z FaXVBC6NRAlrP8ZAHKraS3bapooVgjoLJ6VmNBJ18d9pNs0zouteF8QF5j/86CDQSC j5cgZYJ4FzkG3N1lX5LuuzwdVGQKCgUrsSfnBQxQ= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:29:13 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fixing max_ack_delay (#3938) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f46b809d5ac7_237e1964438093"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:29:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f46b809d5ac7_237e1964438093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #3938 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@larseggert : Since this is a pseudo-code issue, it should = be an editorial change (the pseudo code is in the appendix). #4010 will= fix this issue, but that is waiting on #3961, which is included in the= latest consensus call.

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@mjoras: Really, this is only during the handshake that multiple pn spaces even matters, so in terms of implementations or impact, I think this matters little. Many use single PN space -- we do too -- so implementing this is fairly trivial, but because the pseudo code is being more explicit in the separation of PN spaces, this particular piece is a bit tricky.

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@larseggert : This is an editorial issue, so no.

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----==_mimepart_5f46d46e3e6bd_1ced196422874d-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 14:34:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE633A0838 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xRehdIc_c6P5 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80EA33A0898 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB95F5C0747 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598477691; bh=mPWDriS36FZ9Upei/L8X4c39wmaN6pk6hMh7RwtQeso=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BGZAKt68lAuWZSq8mpi8qwsPzeTEG44PXImeeUBD0QmfAp2cpD6J+m8j2gLM4pq23 1zlNSqCMAu46WbpSW/z26ipXUq2Sut4Kayuy4pE2eE4WuC9jrtywvhJn0gWbMeRzu3 JNwC0g0uS4uisjy7I8pQrRkqVKjnqobgvCtR67+Q= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:34:51 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explain why we include max_ack_delay in some timers (#3987) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f46d57bbb084_352219642656ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:34:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f46d57bbb084_352219642656ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would suggest that this should go where a value of X PTOs is suggested for each specific timer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3987#issuecomment-681136036 ----==_mimepart_5f46d57bbb084_352219642656ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would suggest that this should go where a value of X PTOs is suggested for each specific timer.

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----==_mimepart_5f46d57bbb084_352219642656ce-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 14:52:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C22E3A08DB for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sNpHcy0rpEKT for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D81A3A08AD for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE91840D76 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598478735; bh=SZ+LueotyWPnYYH66kLhtwVnzTrxAAsd+DLAK26doJw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=chyJ2e8uPF/isg9c1YEEj8f0bmp/9SXHCdGgLcCZenjHHEXZkkC3cVyymuxv3qXW1 sOYkKh46Qa/IcLsjK2sL0zMLFGFMtHR2NfaknGKdYl2M3gkUMWOIFDZnf3O1ApVHKg YxCQyh7fiGvCpYQ+UyeaREbe8T3CXDmboVcmPKHM= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:52:15 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5e8c04: Retry is allowed if the token comes from NEW_TOKEN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:52:18 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5e8c0480c1b67c1db489d59a27fb0b3d13d9c7fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e8c0480c1b67c1db489d59a27fb0b3d13d9c7fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-25 (Tue, 25 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Retry is allowed if the token comes from NEW_TOKEN The original text here might be read to imply that a server can't send Retry if it receives an Initial that contains a token that came from NEW_TOKEN. That's wrong. Commit: 1d94d9924da161c01b59837fad4dcdb5ea44ceb8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d94d9924da161c01b59837fad4dcdb5ea44ceb8 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-26 (Wed, 26 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4048 from quicwg/no-retry-after-retry Retry is allowed if the token comes from NEW_TOKEN Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b3e2cee3cdac...1d94d9924da1 From nobody Wed Aug 26 14:52:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7E53A08D1 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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That is what the text below the figure says. It's not a new state because then you are in Slow Start again. I think that is the only sensible solution here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4055#discussion_r477636499 ----==_mimepart_5f46e75114c14_3c6f1964147858 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +                 Start or         +------------+
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |
+                                  +------------+
+                                        |
+                                Loss or |
+                        ECN-CE increase |
+                                        v

When you encounter persistent congestion, you reset the state machine. That is what the text below the figure says. It's not a new state because then you are in Slow Start again. I think that is the only sensible solution here.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Aug 26 17:24:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5BD3A0BC7 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DBoomSnifE0E for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A1293A0BC2 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6429990008A for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:24:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598487889; bh=UfIaeyv0sXluLFdYr4xDapWSxPQiMnSZrfz9FWOGeiY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Asv5lb0TvPyqQWrqyjQoC/9aY6TE6HxvmA6RwCIouID0GAwLFqV1PYWmG6tPuE2gJ c/+TyHnSFmt1BgdzwUQY+6k3LINlApQuOliDq3z7Wy+e4lx1n5zGqSHH6/3G6jVSCn BEnvGkGDvYS6iG7q1via8OdG/uHOrYh7o74yDt1s= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:24:49 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] More exposition for VN elicitation by padding (#4058) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f46fd51539a1_5cca1964141539"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 00:24:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f46fd51539a1_5cca1964141539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was not clear to me that the current text was insufficient, but hopefully this is more sufficient. Closes #4021. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058 -- Commit Summary -- * More exposition for VN elicitation by padding -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058 ----==_mimepart_5f46fd51539a1_5cca1964141539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It was not clear to me that the current text was insufficient, but
hopefully this is more sufficient.

Closes #4021.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058

Commit Summary

  • More exposition for VN elicitation by padding

File Changes

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Actually, it seems like there should be a normative MUST NOT attempt.

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----==_mimepart_5f46ff6fab72a_3431196423717a-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 17:36:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F583A0BE6 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ti0BZ1u3GM8E for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7566D3A0BE7 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839FC84059D for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:35:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598488557; bh=N5cRBzkZw1brTZ+LPpF7cHhhOLFUetHiU0qdmB/OJYg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1sP7qkOIbFxPMnvptk1HwmDd1vp31kklk+urE4JWDRcInIyEKNuf3udxRYOphOi/P 7IMY1jeJp+4JuylRG9a5uGNR74JcIyDdVbcKDdziJnlTgCOO1RMqSixLdvL24UtJRa N1dfv87kv4gxS2BENcYhVGV2MYpnSSmuJqTsS6+A= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:35:57 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SHOULD NOT attempt to parse -> unlikely to be able (#4053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f46ffed738b0_751319642388c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 00:36:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f46ffed738b0_751319642388c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have said "cannot". The contents are unknown, after all. Attempting to prohibit someone from doing something impossible seems like it might be unnecessary (or at least futile). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053#issuecomment-681194139 ----==_mimepart_5f46ffed738b0_751319642388c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would have said "cannot". The contents are unknown, after all. Attempting to prohibit someone from doing something impossible seems like it might be unnecessary (or at least futile).

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----==_mimepart_5f46ffed738b0_751319642388c0-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 19:15:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4A13A0C5B for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eWLNHbu0NxPZ for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 406CB3A0CA8 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A9F560CF4 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598494523; bh=A8AabuK2tPkqewbPaH6x+/GUX+9kt/mzT6o96Sc2Cgs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mjRc9aeNSIIoXvZGmVqatLJ0KtCaJ3cL2d8TzWvuiWYayIoZToFPwuHXmCNRXwk9u aM6JlYKEABGrkCGB+wuwjyUta/tyRele8/9N2xVviGSKq9jiHyXWR9dV8fKDqRwXlm 3eUIFVU5l2qSw1xKm53twr9cpqCyD4jF4vY6Wa/M= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:23 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SHOULD NOT attempt to parse -> unlikely to be able (#4053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f47173b692fb_2b9c1964307151"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:15:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f47173b692fb_2b9c1964307151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why do you say it's impossible? You could simply hope that version n+1 was the same as version n in terms of structure and try to parse it as that, ignoring the version number. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053#issuecomment-681301377 ----==_mimepart_5f47173b692fb_2b9c1964307151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why do you say it's impossible? You could simply hope that version n+1 was the same as version n in terms of structure and try to parse it as that, ignoring the version number.

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----==_mimepart_5f47173b692fb_2b9c1964307151-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 19:19:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462F43A0B84 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:18:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id do9G2rn_BcIW for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20E383A0B7B for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6D49003FC for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:18:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598494737; bh=9Pa6qMQ/3GEy9yV4r5Hpy4D2FBEmrRXWr8j0OuKlnwM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zywpugD4bBtuPhhKWt29K/cwju6nKLOJ0DZydpkgo+b0vQjoHYCZkO6wQRwLNhwwn 4seTaVRO/d7Z09pIBzm46irbKEDguHUCJ8iUDqGkOHnPH/LswJKuh0oo+bxe2xhZuF vF7L6DZ4urMq21bwWISSu2MnMQPPkrFTzUBoJKW8= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:18:56 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More exposition for VN elicitation by padding (#4058) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f471810ee89f_7acd196486558"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:18:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f471810ee89f_7acd196486558 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann approved this pull request. Not sure if we really need this... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058#pullrequestreview-476339757 ----==_mimepart_5f471810ee89f_7acd196486558 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann approved this pull request.

Not sure if we really need this...

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----==_mimepart_5f471810ee89f_7acd196486558-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 19:37:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228B33A0C73 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:37:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Mm3sw2xPKpO for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF4DD3A0B84 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABABE1E43 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:37:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598495870; bh=TjL4078WrGkSZL8j3PP8MSLap5ZhuD6qZbRr3C4zzm8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hRc8E+GHNo7vTE+2s+NTyA/lTI3CI1s63sNYKcukn9b4ZDIHyLRsdbWtdbVM9EO8s G6aEz8QhMazEH238ArJl1rLnSdwMdV06tULIiub1g5+dr1qjwKlklQiVvZaF0V1qiL 9xu4UBSprDds0AFO1Kx7H71ylkYvgzpy1mNeZESM= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:37:50 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More exposition for VN elicitation by padding (#4058) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f471c7ec9ff1_31471964346426"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:37:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f471c7ec9ff1_31471964346426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think enough opinions suggesting that we don't need this might lead me to close the PR over Gorry's objections, but I am sensitive to the fact that most people here are perhaps a little *too* familiar with the protocol already. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4058#issuecomment-681308454 ----==_mimepart_5f471c7ec9ff1_31471964346426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think enough opinions suggesting that we don't need this might lead me to close the PR over Gorry's objections, but I am sensitive to the fact that most people here are perhaps a little too familiar with the protocol already.

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----==_mimepart_5f471c7ec9ff1_31471964346426-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 22:49:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE57A3A0D62 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:49:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CBMPNIFH_sm1 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61CFE3A0D61 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90599902618 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:49:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598507353; bh=73tx6LuU4W5v2hYxY1Gn9YAIG54xMObvcyoik8IUwCA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EEPdHjHqYUkM05t4XxlJRjzvkzYby959AIbyWV3FbfDy/qVVhUP3PxTnWH5PGKXNL ykfsk21BOPIz92roHQ28uWJr1HAbx3M5x8MS0jVUZrlqL0BMFHkLG5qbBmdW5ofYfU 44vyN3DRxAdwQQHHSJDeYT/GUuJ/d+yF2fkD2IZo= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:49:13 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Closing and draining tidy (#3988) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4749597e441_44671964173b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 05:49:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4749597e441_44671964173b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. LGTM, just a large number of small nits. > -amount of time before responding to a received packet. - -An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the -closing period ({{draining}}) and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in -response to any UDP datagram that is received. However, an endpoint without the -packet protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid -creating an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST limit the -cumulative size of packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the -cumulative size of the packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize -the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY -send the exact same packet. +closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a ```suggestion close a connection. This might be after the application protocol negotiates a ``` > - -An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the -closing period ({{draining}}) and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in -response to any UDP datagram that is received. However, an endpoint without the -packet protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid -creating an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST limit the -cumulative size of packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the -cumulative size of the packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize -the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY -send the exact same packet. +closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that ```suggestion graceful shutdown. The application protocol can exchange messages that ``` > -An endpoint is allowed to drop the packet protection keys when entering the -closing period ({{draining}}) and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in -response to any UDP datagram that is received. However, an endpoint without the -packet protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid -creating an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST limit the -cumulative size of packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the -cumulative size of the packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize -the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY -send the exact same packet. +closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which ```suggestion are needed for both application endpoints to agree that the connection can be closed, after which ``` > -closing period ({{draining}}) and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in -response to any UDP datagram that is received. However, an endpoint without the -packet protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid -creating an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST limit the -cumulative size of packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the -cumulative size of the packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize -the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY -send the exact same packet. +closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application ```suggestion the application requests that QUIC close the connection. When QUIC consequently ``` > -response to any UDP datagram that is received. However, an endpoint without the -packet protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid -creating an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST limit the -cumulative size of packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the -cumulative size of the packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize -the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY -send the exact same packet. +closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code ```suggestion closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an application-supplied error code ``` > -packet protection keys cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid -creating an unwitting amplification attack, such endpoints MUST limit the -cumulative size of packets containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the -cumulative size of the packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize -the state that an endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY -send the exact same packet. +closing state; see {{closing}}. After receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, +endpoints enter the draining state; see {{draining}}. + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. ```suggestion will be used to signal closure to the peer. ``` > + +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining state +could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in ```suggestion could cause could result in an endpoint generating a stateless reset unnecessarily when ``` > +An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to +close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a +graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application +closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining state +could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in +response to receiving a packet. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ```suggestion it receives a late-arriving packet. Endpoints that have some alternative means to ``` > +will be used to signal closure. + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining state +could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in +response to receiving a packet. Endpoints that have some alternative means to +ensure that late-arriving packets do not induce a response, such as those that +are able to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow for +faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new +connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all ```suggestion Once its closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all ``` > + +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining state +could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in +response to receiving a packet. Endpoints that have some alternative means to +ensure that late-arriving packets do not induce a response, such as those that +are able to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow for +faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new +connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all +connection state. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response ```suggestion connection state. The endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response ``` > +The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connections +close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discarded. +These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe Timeout +(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining state +could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in +response to receiving a packet. Endpoints that have some alternative means to +ensure that late-arriving packets do not induce a response, such as those that +are able to close the UDP socket, MAY end these states earlier to allow for +faster resource recovery. Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new +connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early. + +Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all +connection state. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response +to any further incoming packets. ```suggestion to any further incoming packets belonging to this connection. ``` > +### Closing Connection State {#closing} + +An endpoint enters the closing state after initiating an immediate close. + +In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to generate a +packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging +to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attributes to +the connection. + +An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the closing +state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasing +number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient ```suggestion An endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient ``` > + +An endpoint enters the closing state after initiating an immediate close. + +In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to generate a +packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging +to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attributes to +the connection. + +An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the closing +state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasing +number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY ```suggestion information to identify packets for a closing connection; the endpoint MAY ``` > + +In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to generate a +packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as belonging +to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attributes to +the connection. + +An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the closing +state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasing +number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY +discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required +to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet ```suggestion to process any received frame. An endpoint MAY retain packet ``` All frames are in packets. > +the connection. + +An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the closing +state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasing +number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY +discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required +to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet +protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing state +and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram ```suggestion and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any UDP datagram ``` > +number of received packets or amount of time before responding to received +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY +discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required +to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet +protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing state +and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram +that is received. However, an endpoint that discards packet protection keys +cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid being used for an +amplication attack, such endpoints MUST limit the cumulative size of packets +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the cumulative size of the ```suggestion it sends to three times the cumulative size of the ``` > +packets. + +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY +discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required +to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet +protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing state +and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram +that is received. However, an endpoint that discards packet protection keys +cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid being used for an +amplication attack, such endpoints MUST limit the cumulative size of packets +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the cumulative size of the +packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize the state that an ```suggestion packets that are received and attributed to the connection. To minimize the state that an ``` > +The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are sufficient +information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MAY +discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not required +to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packet +protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint MAY drop packet protection keys when entering the closing state +and send a packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response to any UDP datagram +that is received. However, an endpoint that discards packet protection keys +cannot identify and discard invalid packets. To avoid being used for an +amplication attack, such endpoints MUST limit the cumulative size of packets +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to 3 times the cumulative size of the +packets that cause those packets to be sent. To minimize the state that an +endpoint maintains for a closing connection, endpoints MAY send the exact same +packet. ```suggestion packet in response to any received packet. ``` > @@ -2763,26 +2805,37 @@ Note: congestion control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting the final packet requires less state. -New packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification -attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid this, endpoints MUST either limit -transmission of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames to validated addresses or drop packets -without response if the response would be more than three times larger than the -received packet. +While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source +address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An +endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received from +unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to +unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the ```suggestion an unvalidated address to three times the size of packets it receives from that ``` > @@ -2763,26 +2805,37 @@ Note: congestion control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting the final packet requires less state. -New packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification -attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid this, endpoints MUST either limit -transmission of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames to validated addresses or drop packets -without response if the response would be more than three times larger than the -received packet. +While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source +address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An +endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received from +unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to ```suggestion an unvalidated address or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to ``` > @@ -2763,26 +2805,37 @@ Note: congestion control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting the final packet requires less state. -New packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification -attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid this, endpoints MUST either limit -transmission of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames to validated addresses or drop packets -without response if the response would be more than three times larger than the -received packet. +While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source +address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An +endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received from +unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to +unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the +address. + +An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing. A key ```suggestion An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing (Section 6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}). A key ``` > @@ -2763,26 +2805,37 @@ Note: congestion control, which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting the final packet requires less state. -New packets from unverified addresses could be used to create an amplification -attack; see {{address-validation}}. To avoid this, endpoints MUST either limit -transmission of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames to validated addresses or drop packets -without response if the response would be more than three times larger than the -received packet. +While in the closing state, an endpoint could receive packets from a new source +address, possibly indicating a connection migration; see {{migration}}. An +endpoint in the closing state MUST either discard packets received from +unvalidated addresses or limit the cumulative size of packets it sends to +unvalidated addresses to 3 times the size of packets it receives from the +address. + +An endpoint is not expected to handle key updates when it is closing. A key +update might prevent the endpoint from moving from the closing state to +the draining state, but it otherwise has no impact. ```suggestion the draining state, since the endpoint will not be able to process subsequently received packets, but it otherwise has no impact. ``` > +NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets, which +could result in a constant exchange of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until either +endpoint exits the closing state. ```suggestion NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets. Doing so could result in a constant exchange of CONNECTION_CLOSE frames until one of the endpoints exits the closing state. ``` > +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it +receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also ```suggestion An endpoint MAY enter the draining state from the closing state if it receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also ``` > -An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to -close a connection. This might be after the application protocols negotiates a -graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that -are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which -the application requests that the connection be closed. When the application -closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an appropriate error code -will be used to signal closure. +An endpoint MAY transition from the closing state to the draining state if it +receives a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, which indicates that the peer is also +closing or draining. In this case, the draining state SHOULD end when the +closing state would have ended. In other words, the endpoint uses the same end +time, but ceases retransmission of the closing packet. ```suggestion time, but ceases transmission of any packets on this connection. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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LGTM, just a large number of small nits.

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-close a connection.  This might be after the =
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-are needed to cause both endpoints to agree t=
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> -closing period ({{draining}}) and send a =
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+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the applic=
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-the application requests that the connection =
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> -response to any UDP datagram that is rece=
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+graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages=
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+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, aft=
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-closes the connection, a CONNECTION_CLOSE fra=
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d to=0D
+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negot=
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+the application requests that the connection be closed.  When the applic=
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+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discard=
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+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
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+Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining s=
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+could cause could result in an generating unnecessary stateless reset in=
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-could cause could result in an generating unn=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +An immediate close can be used after an a=
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+close a connection.  This might be after the application protocols negot=
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+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connecti=
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+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
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+(PTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
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+Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining s=
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-response to receiving a packet.  Endpoints th=
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> +will be used to signal closure.=0D
+=0D
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connecti=
ons=0D
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+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
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+Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining s=
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-Once the closing or draining state ends, an e=
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> +=0D
+The closing and draining connection states exist to ensure that connecti=
ons=0D
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discard=
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+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
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-connection state.  An endpoint MAY send a sta=
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> +The closing and draining connection state=
s exist to ensure that connections=0D
+close cleanly and that delayed or reordered packets are properly discard=
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+These states SHOULD persist for at least three times the current Probe T=
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+=0D
+Disposing of connection state prior to exiting the closing or draining s=
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+ensure that late-arriving packets do not induce a response, such as thos=
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+connections SHOULD NOT end the closing or draining states early.=0D
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+Once the closing or draining state ends, an endpoint SHOULD discard all=0D=

+connection state.  An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response=0D=

+to any further incoming packets.=0D
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-to any further incoming packets.=0D
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+=0D
+An endpoint enters the closing state after initiating an immediate close=
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+In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to gen=
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+packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as be=
longing=0D
+to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet conta=
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+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attrib=
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+the connection.=0D
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> +=0D
+An endpoint enters the closing state after initiating an immediate close=
.=0D
+=0D
+In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to gen=
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+packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as be=
longing=0D
+to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet conta=
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+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attrib=
utes to=0D
+the connection.=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the c=
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+number of received packets or amount of time before responding to receiv=
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+packets.=0D
+=0D
+The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are suffi=
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+information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MA=
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-information to identify packets for a closing=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +=0D
+In the closing state, an endpoint retains only enough information to gen=
erate a=0D
+packet containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and to identify packets as be=
longing=0D
+to the connection. An endpoint in the closing state sends a packet conta=
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+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in response to any incoming packet that it attrib=
utes to=0D
+the connection.=0D
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+An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the c=
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+number of received packets or amount of time before responding to receiv=
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+packets.=0D
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+The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are suffi=
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+information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MA=
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+discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not r=
equired=0D
+to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packe=
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-to process the frames contained in packets. A=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +the connection.=0D
+=0D
+An endpoint SHOULD limit the rate at which it generates packets in the c=
losing=0D
+state. For instance, an endpoint could wait for a progressively increasi=
ng=0D
+number of received packets or amount of time before responding to receiv=
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+packets.=0D
+=0D
+The endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are suffi=
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+information to identify packets for a closing connection; an endpoint MA=
Y=0D
+discard all other connection state. An endpoint that is closing is not r=
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+to process the frames contained in packets. An endpoint MAY retain packe=
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+protection keys for incoming packets to allow it to read and process a=0D=

+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.=0D
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----==_mimepart_5f474f9487480_5c5e1964208239-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 23:15:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA4D3A0D7B for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 23:15:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5AgS_hCEVZMc for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 23:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69E073A0D76 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 23:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22315E0764 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 23:15:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598508948; bh=8pOs5wfWpKautI1H2i7iRqqNA5lSlK5g1Q2S8wbOaC0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Nq7h8JvA1FGdKIouVTqNAsqdDxZb64yfxc5WdQ09pHryR2stYWgsKIzHSZvCFwbtB jyrOv3CwMe13FdgNxYPmg81ZuH8W/oriRXqf40NVnBGhf1qYME/RPpXPzPavifgDPL 7Ta53sxcQNqKHf0b614TcGfSdtRB/YRlV8cEABuI= Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 23:15:48 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 45e033: Closing and draining tidy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 06:15:51 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 45e033da8f481d3d0b85e335a4cf3beda602f1e3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/45e033da8f481d3d0b85e335a4cf3beda602f1e3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Closing and draining tidy I took a careful look at the text here and found a few things: 1. There wasn't much redundancy, but there was a little. 2. The closing and draining states only apply to immediate close. So I moved things up. Shortened the top-level immediate close text, and moved text specific to closing or draining to the corresponding sections. There were a few bits that could be cut, and a few that needed to be better aligned with existing text, but nothing major. Most of this is unmodified text. There are a few bits that I had to rewrite. I will add comments for those. Closes #3907. Commit: 0c9512f6e81837cd4adba3ed670d3376dd072f73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0c9512f6e81837cd4adba3ed670d3376dd072f73 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove self-reference Commit: d44244caca3fd09297fd467bf89bb3908eb90188 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d44244caca3fd09297fd467bf89bb3908eb90188 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move general stuff into introductory piece And a few grammar fixes Commit: 43176fb5cd31d1c0f26c9be3a774dcb2f32eb6ff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/43176fb5cd31d1c0f26c9be3a774dcb2f32eb6ff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Better factoring of closing state introduction Also stop using 'closing period', which is confusing. Commit: cb1bca7cf8468a98a5153e1931a5c7536c8a824c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cb1bca7cf8468a98a5153e1931a5c7536c8a824c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-06 (Thu, 06 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove mention of stateless reset Commit: a31d8dcdc8e35ff2d62899054aca458c71a31645 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a31d8dcdc8e35ff2d62899054aca458c71a31645 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- s/the// Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: 6aef5e42b482cb9a3efeab78fd6f3a92c79cf6b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6aef5e42b482cb9a3efeab78fd6f3a92c79cf6b1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's cleanup Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: e980fc772bdfff04801b7f8febb1d68385655060 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e980fc772bdfff04801b7f8febb1d68385655060 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-11 (Tue, 11 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Maybe we don't need to specify reordering/delay at all Commit: e127ccad5d2285df6f7556b914871f70c4d577f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e127ccad5d2285df6f7556b914871f70c4d577f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Small tweaks Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop Commit: 37a2d522f133bf26cd8064d0264d05ce7243bb54 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/37a2d522f133bf26cd8064d0264d05ce7243bb54 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-12 (Wed, 12 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrap Commit: 6cc520dad75038f046b05e785cecd9869bcf3306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6cc520dad75038f046b05e785cecd9869bcf3306 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-27 (Thu, 27 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Many little nits Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: f6c037d97b3e700569347af0d6c8a596eacd265b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6c037d97b3e700569347af0d6c8a596eacd265b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-08-27 (Thu, 27 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Wrap Commit: 7e359d21d1621612a2a6fb8e6fc71807f027ec20 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e359d21d1621612a2a6fb8e6fc71807f027ec20 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-08-26 (Wed, 26 Aug 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3988 from quicwg/closing-draining-refactor Closing and draining tidy Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1d94d9924da1...7e359d21d162 From nobody Wed Aug 26 23:16:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B333A0D79 for ; 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(#4021) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4771b3e4d06_592519643167cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 08:41:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4771b3e4d06_592519643167cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you know what to expect, to me the text just needs to explain what you expect can happen. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think you know what to expect, to me the text just needs to explain what you expect can happen.

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@gorryfair does #4058 resolve this issue for you?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -767,20 +767,22 @@ While in slow start, QUIC increases the congestion window by the
 number of bytes acknowledged when each acknowledgment is processed, resulting
 in exponential growth of the congestion window.
 
-QUIC exits slow start upon loss or upon increase in the ECN-CE counter.
-When slow start is exited, the congestion window halves and the slow start
-threshold is set to the new congestion window.  QUIC re-enters slow start
-any time the congestion window is less than the slow start threshold,
-which only occurs after persistent congestion is declared.
+QUIC MUST exit slow start and enter congestion avoidance upon loss or upon
+increase in the ECN-CE counter. When slow start is exited, the congestion
+window halves and the slow start threshold is set to the new congestion

Looks good now! Thanks!

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This text seems to answer my question - Since this in section 6, I'd have also preferred adding a forward reference to the later section 14.1 to get the details.

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----==_mimepart_5f47785a75aa8_6eb11964470783-- From nobody Thu Aug 27 02:40:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98F53A0857 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:40:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTBhYaDKRzMn for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4927E3A0844 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008D7E059F for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:40:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598521201; bh=y3KYirjIjLIb7qhPFFb7zMKyGTW6pkOQn3tD3EjpjHw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bJcx1sFEAm67e5WjHwIVGHngmhAETVoj2IRLIwSy9cynjuxIe9scDTCCwm+exVqXU nq6BK42OpCV2HFI6iG4jn7czw1itkaVPRLyb9UisGPUDVFtSHgL/62f2fdhGZPkbE4 Z/N3YcA7Da+tCcflTiGJmdD2QstjYCIJDCkOAgZo= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 02:40:00 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gorry's ECN rewrite (#4059) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f477f70e51f6_6f461964139128"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:40:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f477f70e51f6_6f461964139128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This contains a lot of changes, but these seem to all be editorial. @gorryfair is unable to engage here for a little while, but we should take that opportunity to provide feedback. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4059 -- Commit Summary -- * Gorry's ECN rewrite, verbatim * fix nits; reorder -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (194) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4059.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4059.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4059 ----==_mimepart_5f477f70e51f6_6f461964139128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This contains a lot of changes, but these seem to all be editorial.

@gorryfair is unable to engage here for a little while, but we should take that opportunity to provide feedback.

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Commit Summary

  • Gorry's ECN rewrite, verbatim
  • fix nits; reorder

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----==_mimepart_5f479acfa3327_578b196421107-- From nobody Thu Aug 27 07:33:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EA13A0C31 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 07:33:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmBW_cFlWVgV for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA75D3A0BE4 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C726340E91 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 07:33:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598538794; bh=RetOYULOFwbtdQRKZmkeukfuXHOm1ZumuKxz7N1f4To=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h6LSMBTMK2SG+XnVSypxOmr4NwCfjFvDz/nBtPxuyHFddihcUKHhfn8sFx8Grg7P8 zKNNgmhYUN+jYHFHMI+1gK8518fA77WWaupV0/P7D1s2dCpnZn1wptAk7xMpvJp/en MBhqgMD4vC13ZjMYwXTxFOYl4+h7iuB0+BbbHLPI= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 07:33:14 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SHOULD NOT attempt to parse -> unlikely to be able (#4053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f47c42ad148_330b19643991d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 14:33:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f47c42ad148_330b19643991d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which is why the PR says "unlikely," not "impossible." But the impossible thing is for the server to know whether it's doing things correctly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4053#issuecomment-681987340 ----==_mimepart_5f47c42ad148_330b19643991d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Which is why the PR says "unlikely," not "impossible." But the impossible thing is for the server to know whether it's doing things correctly.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Aug 27 09:00:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5DF63A0F78 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3zhQW3rxPQmi for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD5B73A0F65 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E767EE0403 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598544003; bh=UN04PyBwjZmReQdLvuxdpAl7QDrNMZbvbUlECXsg130=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UszxSA8+gGvyycSMTIIxTnZ1lcv7zfbGHfIuRxFzo8Vx8Mlp11WvhUsxUNZXUJhfl yADuic+Oodgejr5lr6WV+ctna78BmHDWEU+5KbFtcgsQ0ptS2527jIQnieExYy73e4 RVyt4VG34V0BilOVLd/jcH/ZO1g+F5a0T9uv7izo= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:00:03 -0700 From: araya Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] http editorial fix: Fix the value of MAX_PUSH_ID Frame Type (#4060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f47d883d85b8_2df51964885bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: arayaryoma X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:00:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f47d883d85b8_2df51964885bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found an erratum for the value of MAX_PUSH_ID Frame Type in the draft. The value must be `0xD` (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#frame-types-iana-frames). You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4060 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix the value of MAX_PUSH_ID Frame Type -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4060.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4060.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4060 ----==_mimepart_5f47d883d85b8_2df51964885bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I found an erratum for the value of MAX_PUSH_ID Frame Type in the draft. The value must be 0xD (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#frame-types-iana-frames).

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4060

Commit Summary

  • Fix the value of MAX_PUSH_ID Frame Type

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It's certainly not a new state for the congestion controller; it's an event, much like loss. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4055#discussion_r478605668 ----==_mimepart_5f47f789a399d_52f31964409ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +                 Start or         +------------+
+            persistent congestion |   Slow     |
+        (O)---------------------->|   Start    |
+                                  +------------+
+                                        |
+                                Loss or |
+                        ECN-CE increase |
+                                        v

Good point. It's certainly not a new state for the congestion controller; it's an event, much like loss.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Aug 27 14:38:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9113A1393 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 14:38:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CRh_oHZHAkW6 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 14:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9768F3A138F for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 14:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85CE5C0749 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 14:38:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598564294; bh=45Uu2PSH3PmPq52pbheCGVp+Nzk0HoAF0Mi/6U/B/3M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oynUj/dnWn+hgeoc8wsRIDKR9P7PY+tRjFGuvzEmA0tW4WburfcahRkxSU8y8osNw OBQkY5DSclKkwXJie14VhqbRheNLtyP/YuWcUPeJ9ck7WtyfkftMbIqKfhynSUj0ha m3rV6N3I5KjpLdJ7h+jXLhHFpNVv8wtQ9p8DaHKs= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 14:38:14 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SHOULD NOT attempt to parse -> unlikely to be able (#4053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4827c69705c_46b8196441802"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:38:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4827c69705c_46b8196441802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, but my point is that we should prohibit trying, not just give people advice that it's dumb. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Right, but my point is that we should prohibit trying, not just give people advice that it's dumb.

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In https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/fWbftfhTopjo6O2YjIZZwRQ92GM/ I questioned whether QUIC should be standardized requiring the underlying transport to be UDP.

The main thrust of my argument was that even assuming virtually QUIC usage in practice would be over IP, we might get a nicer RFC text by being somewhat open-ended and instead being forced to spell out the relevant properties of the underlying transport.

The response was mostly skeptical, but with just allowing that it might work out that I started an attempt in #4043

Since then, @MikeBishop brought up that other transports might actually be useful in practice, like:

  • Message-based Websockets across an HTTP proxy
  • Local datagram sockets for IPC

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -263,6 +266,17 @@ Application:
 
 : An entity that uses QUIC to send and receive data.
 
+Underlying transport protocol:
+
+: The underlying protocol with which QUIC packet are sent.  The underlying
+  transport protocol is conventionally UDP over IP.
+
+Underlying transport datagram:
+
+: A message of the underlying transport protocol, which when used by QUIC will
+  contain multiple QUIC packets. Calling this a "datagram" and not a "packet"
+  emphasizes the message-oriented nature of the underlying transport, and helps
+  distinguish these from QUIC packets.

Based on the feedback thread, I was trying to be super conservative, even if that risks an "any color as long as it's black" situation where UDP is basically the only protocol that meets the requirements.

If you think this is too cautious, I'm perfectly fine dropping it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2725,7 +2747,7 @@ longer than the time negotiated using the max_idle_timeout transport parameter;
 see {{termination}}.  However, state in middleboxes might time out earlier than
 that.  Though REQ-5 in {{?RFC4787}} recommends a 2 minute timeout interval,
 experience shows that sending packets every 30 seconds is necessary to prevent
-the majority of middleboxes from losing state for UDP flows
+the majority of middleboxes from losing state for underlying-transport flows

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Thanks for the feedback so far, just knocked off the easy stuff. I'll next switch to conditioning a lot of this stuff on UDP in particular as suggested.

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FYI, I converted this to a draft PR for now so we can track it better.

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  • fix dangling ref to HTTP11

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The address validation implicit in +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC or is not +willing to accept a QUIC connection. + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets sent by clients. A client +choosing an unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are +unable to control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets from clients. I don't believe that this is correct as written if there is a Retry because the server gets to control the next DCID. I don't think that this is relevant because you would need a round trip to make it work (I think!) but... > +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to +validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the +options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams. + +This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific +to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic +measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation. + + +### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration + +Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent +connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address. + +The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently +sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery. Actually, I think not just DCID. Consider a (contrived) protocol in which the server was able to dictate the contents of the client's plaintext message. Because the server knows the keys, it can then produce any ciphertext of its choice. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +used for request forgery.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Client Initial Packets
+
+An attacker acting as a server can choose the IP address and port on which it
+advertises its availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be
+available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in
+the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC or is not
+willing to accept a QUIC connection.
+
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for
+servers to control the content of Initial packets sent by clients. A client
+choosing an unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are
+unable to control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets from clients.

I don't believe that this is correct as written if there is a Retry because the server gets to control the next DCID. I don't think that this is relevant because you would need a round trip to make it work (I think!) but...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to
+validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the
+options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams.
+
+This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific
+to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic
+measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration
+
+Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent
+connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently
+sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery.

Actually, I think not just DCID. Consider a (contrived) protocol in which the server was able to dictate the contents of the client's plaintext message. Because the server knows the keys, it can then produce any ciphertext of its choice.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to
+validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the
+options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams.
+
+This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific
+to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic
+measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration
+
+Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent
+connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently
+sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery.

While the above is contrived, the server does have control of some things. For instance, I can control some of the content of GETs or ACKs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

I don't object to this particular decision, but I would have assumed that you could always abort a connection whenever the peer violates a MUST. No?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +that an attacker can distinguish the AEAD in use from a random permutation; see
+{{AEBounds}}, {{ROBUST}}, and {{?GCM-MU=DOI.10.1145/3243734.3243816}}.
+
+In addition to counting packets sent, endpoints MUST count the number of
+received packets that fail authentication during the lifetime of a connection.
+If the total number of received packets that fail authentication within the
+connection, across all keys, exceeds the integrity limit for the selected AEAD,
+the endpoint MUST immediately close the connection with a connection error of
+type AEAD_LIMIT_REACHED and not process any more packets.
+
+For AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the integrity limit is 2^54 forged
+packets; see {{gcm-bounds}}. For AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the integrity limit is
+2^36 forged packets; see {{AEBounds}}. For AEAD_AES_128_CCM, the integrity limit
+is 2^23.5 forged packets; see {{ccm-bounds}}. Applying this limit reduces the
+probability that an attacker can successfully forge a packet; see {{AEBounds}},
+{{ROBUST}}, and {{?GCM-MU}}.

Nit: I wouldn't use "forged" here but rather "invalid". We don't know why they are invalid.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

Yes, that is generally true, and this makes it more explicit without adding any requirement on the server.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

Hmm... So I read this the opposite way, which is that an explicit mention like this implies that there is not a general rule

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +the acknowledgement delay or in the endpoint's min_rtt estimate.  Therefore,
+prior to handshake confirmation, an endpoint can ignore RTT samples if adjusting
+the RTT sample for acknowledgement delay causes the sample to be less than the
+min_rtt.
+
+After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the
+peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to
+unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the
+peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are
+considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the RTT
+estimate.
+
+Therefore, when adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement
+delays, an endpoint:
+
+- MAY ignore the acknowledgement delay for Initial packets,

If I understand correctly, this leads to a higher current_rtt measurement. It would be nice if the paragraph above included a motivation for that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +the acknowledgement delay or in the endpoint's min_rtt estimate.  Therefore,
+prior to handshake confirmation, an endpoint can ignore RTT samples if adjusting
+the RTT sample for acknowledgement delay causes the sample to be less than the
+min_rtt.
+
+After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the
+peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to
+unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the
+peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are
+considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the RTT
+estimate.
+
+Therefore, when adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement
+delays, an endpoint:
+
+- MAY ignore the acknowledgement delay for Initial packets,

This shouldn't because the peer is expected to ack these immediately. Added text and a reference.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -348,6 +348,13 @@ acknowledgement delays are likely to be non-repeating and limited to the
 handshake. The endpoint can therefore use them without limiting them to the
 max_ack_delay, avoiding unnecessary inflation of the RTT estimate.
 
+Note however that a large acknowledgement delay can result in a substantially

This connects it to the previous para, which is useful I think.

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This results in a negligible 1 to 3 block overestimation of the number of operations. -## Confidentiality Limits +## Analysis AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM Usage Limits {#gcm-bounds} Should this be Analysis *of* AEAD_... ? > +simplifying assumptions: + +- The number of ciphertext blocks an attacker uses in forgery attempts is +bounded by v * l, the number of forgery attempts and the size of each packet (in +blocks). + +- The amount of offline work done by an attacker does not dominate other factors +in the analysis. + +The bounds in {{?GCM-MU}} are tighter and more complete than those used in +{{AEBounds}}, which allows for larger limits than those described in {{?TLS13}}. + + +### Confidentiality Limit + +For confidentiality, Theorum (4.3) in {{?GCM-MU}} establish that - for a single s/establish/establishes/ ? > @@ -1552,30 +1549,40 @@ number of attempts to forge packets. TLS achieves this by closing connections after any record fails an authentication check. In comparison, QUIC ignores any packet that cannot be authenticated, allowing multiple forgery attempts. -Endpoints MUST count the number of received packets that fail authentication for -each set of keys. If the number of packets that fail authentication with the -same key exceeds a limit that is specific to the AEAD in use, the endpoint MUST -stop using those keys. Endpoints MUST initiate a key update before reaching -this limit. If a key update is not possible, the endpoint MUST immediately -close the connection. Applying a limit reduces the probability that an attacker -is able to successfully forge a packet; see {{AEBounds}} and {{ROBUST}}. +Endpoints MUST count the number of encrypted packets for each set of keys. If I'll second that. IKEv2 simultaneous key update is so complicated that most configurations I've seen intentionally use different limits on both endpoints to reduce the odds of a simultaneous rekey. In QUIC however, simultaneous rekey has the same complexity as regular rekey so I don't think it's worth working around. > +is RECOMMENDED that endpoints immediately close the connection with a connection +error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION before reaching a state where key updates are +not possible. + +For AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^25 +encrypted packets; see {{gcm-bounds}}. For AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the +confidentiality limit is greater than the number of possible packets (2^62) and +so can be disregarded. For AEAD_AES_128_CCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^23.5 +encrypted packets; see {{ccm-bounds}}. Applying a limit reduces the probability +that an attacker can distinguish the AEAD in use from a random permutation; see +{{AEBounds}}, {{ROBUST}}, and {{?GCM-MU=DOI.10.1145/3243734.3243816}}. + +In addition to counting packets sent, endpoints MUST count the number of +received packets that fail authentication during the lifetime of a connection. +If the total number of received packets that fail authentication within the +connection, across all keys, exceeds the integrity limit for the selected AEAD, New text looks great to me, thanks! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3789#pullrequestreview-477989779 ----==_mimepart_5f4965a37d8cc_5f981964140929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@DavidSchinazi approved this pull request.

Overall I think this is ready to merge. I left some small editorial nits

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -2281,7 +2293,89 @@ the associated data and ciphertext. This results in a negligible 1 to 3 block
 overestimation of the number of operations.
 
 
-## Confidentiality Limits
+## Analysis AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM Usage Limits {#gcm-bounds}

Should this be Analysis of AEAD_... ?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +simplifying assumptions:
+
+- The number of ciphertext blocks an attacker uses in forgery attempts is
+bounded by v * l, the number of forgery attempts and the size of each packet (in
+blocks).
+
+- The amount of offline work done by an attacker does not dominate other factors
+in the analysis.
+
+The bounds in {{?GCM-MU}} are tighter and more complete than those used in
+{{AEBounds}}, which allows for larger limits than those described in {{?TLS13}}.
+
+
+### Confidentiality Limit
+
+For confidentiality, Theorum (4.3) in {{?GCM-MU}} establish that - for a single

s/establish/establishes/ ?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1552,30 +1549,40 @@ number of attempts to forge packets. TLS achieves this by closing connections
 after any record fails an authentication check. In comparison, QUIC ignores any
 packet that cannot be authenticated, allowing multiple forgery attempts.
 
-Endpoints MUST count the number of received packets that fail authentication for
-each set of keys.  If the number of packets that fail authentication with the
-same key exceeds a limit that is specific to the AEAD in use, the endpoint MUST
-stop using those keys.  Endpoints MUST initiate a key update before reaching
-this limit.  If a key update is not possible, the endpoint MUST immediately
-close the connection.  Applying a limit reduces the probability that an attacker
-is able to successfully forge a packet; see {{AEBounds}} and {{ROBUST}}.
+Endpoints MUST count the number of encrypted packets for each set of keys. If

I'll second that. IKEv2 simultaneous key update is so complicated that most configurations I've seen intentionally use different limits on both endpoints to reduce the odds of a simultaneous rekey. In QUIC however, simultaneous rekey has the same complexity as regular rekey so I don't think it's worth working around.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +is RECOMMENDED that endpoints immediately close the connection with a connection
+error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION before reaching a state where key updates are
+not possible.
+
+For AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^25
+encrypted packets; see {{gcm-bounds}}. For AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the
+confidentiality limit is greater than the number of possible packets (2^62) and
+so can be disregarded. For AEAD_AES_128_CCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^23.5
+encrypted packets; see {{ccm-bounds}}. Applying a limit reduces the probability
+that an attacker can distinguish the AEAD in use from a random permutation; see
+{{AEBounds}}, {{ROBUST}}, and {{?GCM-MU=DOI.10.1145/3243734.3243816}}.
+
+In addition to counting packets sent, endpoints MUST count the number of
+received packets that fail authentication during the lifetime of a connection.
+If the total number of received packets that fail authentication within the
+connection, across all keys, exceeds the integrity limit for the selected AEAD,

New text looks great to me, thanks!

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

We certainly don't mention a general rule anywhere, but we can't stop an endpoint from enforcing MUSTs on its own. I think it's useful to explicitly call it out out here because this is the sort of place where we want to call explicit attention.

I would have liked a SHOULD here, but calling it out with a MAY is still useful I think.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

We certainly don't mention a general rule anywhere, but we can't stop an endpoint from enforcing MUSTs on its own.

Well, we can't stop them in the "no protocol police" sense, but we certainly can have a MUST-level rule that forbids it.

I think it's useful to explicitly call it out out here because this is the sort of place where we want to call explicit attention.

Why?

My general point is that text should do work. And if there is already a general rule permitting to you to error on MUST violations then why does this text need to be there? And working backward from that one might infer that no such rule exists.

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----==_mimepart_5f496b8bb17c5_246d196418465e-- From nobody Fri Aug 28 13:53:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5182E3A0C35 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O-A-exHYFvPN for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 739F23A0C48 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665595C0E89 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:53:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598648019; bh=QOsYVDuw695V6u6P9XBablQ2CVte8NQ00f42iO+lM2U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Woue94c3+EjkgCp2IyFJ45M/L+5hP4LCVE5jhDY4V7gpG5Py5Kc+B/CpSGY2h7XMf VnX3FOoUMZi4AJT0ehHTf+zyT9BcCUSfNhMxsVjP+IjKiq/QkGV63dn2upFyukHkVN Sv8Uxo6qc4oOjqPL9/5wuVIPtp7VxGgpVn2pyg5I= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:53:39 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f496ed35630a_622c1964118937"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:53:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f496ed35630a_622c1964118937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi requested changes on this pull request. Overall I do think that this PR is going in the right direction, but I don't think it's quite ready to be merged yet. > + +Therefore, clients SHOULD NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from +one server address in an Initial packet that is sent to a different server +address. As strict equality might reduce the utility of this mechanism, clients +MAY employ heuristics that result in different server addresses being treated +as equivalent, such as treating addresses with a shared prefix of sufficient +length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /56 in +IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is +successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connection was +made; see {{preferred-address}}. + +Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to change +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's Do we have text that explicitly mandates that replies to a RETRY packet MUST be sent to the same address? > +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's +address, thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request +forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses + +Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after +confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}. The Destination Connection +ID field of packets that the client sends to a preferred address can be used +for request forgery. + +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to Seeing this normative requirement in Security Considerations makes me uneasy as an implementer might miss it. Could we instead move the `MUST NOT` to the section that defines preferred_address and then only reference it here? > + +This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific +to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic +measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation. + + +### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration + +Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent +connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address. + +The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently +sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery. + +A server that only sends probing packets ({{probing}}) to an address prior to +address validation provides an attacker with only limited control over the I do find it somewhat ironic that address validation might make this worse: the client sending a PATH_CHALLENGE to the server can pretty much guarantee that the server will send a PATH_RESPONSE with client-provided content to the client's spoofed source address. Should we mention that? > +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the +IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent +connection attempts or migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT +allow connections or migration to a loopback address if the same service was +previously available at a different interface or if the address was provided by +a service at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these +capabilities could offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a +given range is not safe. The recommendation in this paragraph is confusing to me. It somewhat concludes that this is a problem but contradicts itself in saying that implementers should both not allow migration and not refuse migration. I would prefer we figure out which strategy is best and recommend it instead of this. > +what packets the peer sends and where these packets are sent. If an attacker +can target a vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might +perform actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the +attacker. + +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. + +As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an +attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams and can +control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of the data +sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over ciphertext. An +attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a UDP datagram to +a host that will perform some action based on content in the datagram. Could we add a paragraph here that provides examples of real harm? What protocols are both UDP-based and non-authenticated in a way that would make them vulnerable to a request forgery from a QUIC stack? > +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this does +not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field for an +attack. + +Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of +servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However, +it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common +targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for +attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not +send datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination +address. Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be +problematic without using them. + +Note: + +: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than This depends on what you mean by efficient. Some of the recommendations in this section will add a round-trip which is not efficient. > +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or +migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or +migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously +available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service +at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could +offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a +given range is not safe. + I think you're referring to [draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates). For us to do something like that we'd need a way to convey hostnames in preferred_address or elsewhere, and I'm not sure we should be doing that. > +used for request forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Client Initial Packets + +An attacker acting as a server can choose the IP address and port on which it +advertises its availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be +available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in +the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send +other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC or is not +willing to accept a QUIC connection. + +Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for +servers to control the content of Initial packets sent by clients. A client +choosing an unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are +unable to control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets from clients. This is mentioned in the last paragraph of this section. Perhaps we just need to reference that here? > +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to +validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the +options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams. + +This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific +to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic +measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation. + + +### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration + +Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent +connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address. + +The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently +sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery. Isn't that prevented by address validation? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@DavidSchinazi requested changes on this pull request.

Overall I do think that this PR is going in the right direction, but I don't think it's quite ready to be merged yet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Therefore, clients SHOULD NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from
+one server address in an Initial packet that is sent to a different server
+address. As strict equality might reduce the utility of this mechanism, clients
+MAY employ heuristics that result in different server addresses being treated
+as equivalent, such as treating addresses with a shared prefix of sufficient
+length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /56 in
+IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is
+successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connection was
+made; see {{preferred-address}}.
+
+Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to change
+the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the
+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client.
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's

Do we have text that explicitly mandates that replies to a RETRY packet MUST be sent to the same address?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the
+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client.
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's
+address, thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request
+forgery.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses
+
+Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after
+confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}. The Destination Connection
+ID field of packets that the client sends to a preferred address can be used
+for request forgery.
+
+A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to

Seeing this normative requirement in Security Considerations makes me uneasy as an implementer might miss it. Could we instead move the MUST NOT to the section that defines preferred_address and then only reference it here?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific
+to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic
+measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration
+
+Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent
+connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently
+sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery.
+
+A server that only sends probing packets ({{probing}}) to an address prior to
+address validation provides an attacker with only limited control over the

I do find it somewhat ironic that address validation might make this worse: the client sending a PATH_CHALLENGE to the server can pretty much guarantee that the server will send a PATH_RESPONSE with client-provided content to the client's spoofed source address. Should we mention that?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the
+IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent
+connection attempts or migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT
+allow connections or migration to a loopback address if the same service was
+previously available at a different interface or if the address was provided by
+a service at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these
+capabilities could offer an option to disable these protections.
+
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global,
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about
+the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a
+given range is not safe.

The recommendation in this paragraph is confusing to me. It somewhat concludes that this is a problem but contradicts itself in saying that implementers should both not allow migration and not refuse migration. I would prefer we figure out which strategy is best and recommend it instead of this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +what packets the peer sends and where these packets are sent. If an attacker
+can target a vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might
+perform actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the
+attacker.
+
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization
+cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.
+
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an
+attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams and can
+control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of the data
+sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over ciphertext. An
+attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a UDP datagram to
+a host that will perform some action based on content in the datagram.

Could we add a paragraph here that provides examples of real harm? What protocols are both UDP-based and non-authenticated in a way that would make them vulnerable to a request forgery from a QUIC stack?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this does
+not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field for an
+attack.
+
+Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of
+servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However,
+it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common
+targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for
+attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not
+send datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination
+address. Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be
+problematic without using them.
+
+Note:
+
+: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than

This depends on what you mean by efficient. Some of the recommendations in this section will add a round-trip which is not efficient.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or
+migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could
+offer an option to disable these protections.
+
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global,
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about
+the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a
+given range is not safe.
+

I think you're referring to draft-ietf-rtcweb-mdns-ice-candidates. For us to do something like that we'd need a way to convey hostnames in preferred_address or elsewhere, and I'm not sure we should be doing that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +used for request forgery.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Client Initial Packets
+
+An attacker acting as a server can choose the IP address and port on which it
+advertises its availability, so Initial packets from clients are assumed to be
+available for use in this sort of attack. The address validation implicit in
+the handshake ensures that - for a new connection - a client will not send
+other types of packet to a destination that does not understand QUIC or is not
+willing to accept a QUIC connection.
+
+Initial packet protection (Section 5.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) makes it difficult for
+servers to control the content of Initial packets sent by clients. A client
+choosing an unpredictable Destination Connection ID ensures that servers are
+unable to control any of the encrypted portion of Initial packets from clients.

This is mentioned in the last paragraph of this section. Perhaps we just need to reference that here?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to
+validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the
+options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams.
+
+This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific
+to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic
+measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration
+
+Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent
+connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently
+sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery.

Isn't that prevented by address validation?

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I think that this PR makes the spec harder to read, with no obvious benefit. If someone wants to standardize QUIC over another medium, they'll have to write some sort of document for that, and simply saying "replace UDP with X" in that document should be good enough. I'd strongly prefer we didn't make the spec more generic at the cost of readability.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +      bytes_acked += acked_packet.sent_bytes
+      if (bytes_acked >= congestion_window):
+        bytes_acked -= congestion_window
+        congestion_window += max_datagram_size

I implemented ABC for cubic in quiche cloudflare/quiche#624 and did some evaluation:
Measured using quiche apps (quiche-server and quiche-client) in 5mbps/60ms rtt/0% loss. Also last highlighted row is when I changed MAX_DATAGRAM_SIZE to 1350 to match with what quiche apps use (quiche has MAX_DATAGRAM_SIZE constant).

Screen Shot 2020-08-28 at 5 21 49 PM

You can see it can save some amount of sent packets (3.8% for cubic, 6.7% for reno, 9.3% for cubic and 1350 mss aligned) with slightly faster download time.

I think it's up to editors for deciding to merge this PR not, but I believe it's good for implementers to start with less issue.

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Thank you for the intellectual exercise, @Ericson2314. Having seen the accompanying #4043, I'm convinced now that this is not a direction we should pursue, for at least two reasons:

  • All implementers of QUIC today are doing this for UDP. Reading the text with the generalization makes it less concrete and, as @DavidSchinazi notes, less readable for the most common usage case that we are targeting with QUICv1.
  • It is not clear to me what the driving use-case of such a generalization is, and therefore who benefits from this generalization.
  • Without an implementation of it on a different underlying protocol, I'm wary that this would catch all the assumptions we've made.

When there is a need, it's easy enough to do a document that maps QUIC to a different underlying transport. Until then, this generalization seems unnecessary.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4807,6 +4807,8 @@ responding to a Retry packet. However, the data sent in these packets could be
 different than what was sent earlier. Sending these new packets with the same
 packet number is likely to compromise the packet protection for those packets
 because the same key and nonce could be used to protect different content.
+A server MAY abort the connection if it detects that the client reset the

My argument for why here is because this PN reuse can be a security issue.

That said, you're right that it's not as principled as I would like it to be; there also isn't such a general rule, and you make a good point that it might be useful to have a general rule.

Given that we don't have such a rule at the moment, I would be happy to take this text in and evaluate this with other MAYs in the general sense if there's enough interest to do it. Would you mind filing a separate issue for this?

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----==_mimepart_5f49ad3f75649_57731964178ac-- From nobody Fri Aug 28 18:23:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC27A3A0EE6 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rcVNGTAST21e for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89CBB3A0EE2 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f7e7fd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E365C0A58 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:23:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598664229; bh=7iok7RqqtR8ucFwffzPMCJmtetedyrEoQZDqM7+ZK/E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cnmVNevIvMSxVAnGizuo3J70d6JFubQn6IN0HT02bDVpnjhuzm0KzUxL7bSZjSZYF xjqe+M4+FNVRYnSgrTYTKesat4qNcOQrDaV2wUbdF3PYon4Dx1JkyE6U32F8dNL9K0 WhlzlI46rM8kFY5RSzG8aZw4zhTHBPpc5v+BXZzs= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:23:49 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Byte counting at Congestion avoidance (#3917) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f49ae25682ac_745c196411389d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 01:23:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f49ae25682ac_745c196411389d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > + bytes_acked += acked_packet.sent_bytes + if (bytes_acked >= congestion_window): + bytes_acked -= congestion_window + congestion_window += max_datagram_size I'm surprised to see these differences, @junhochoi -- why are the lost packets so different? Why's there any loss when the network has 0% loss? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3917#discussion_r479590127 ----==_mimepart_5f49ae25682ac_745c196411389d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +      bytes_acked += acked_packet.sent_bytes
+      if (bytes_acked >= congestion_window):
+        bytes_acked -= congestion_window
+        congestion_window += max_datagram_size

I'm surprised to see these differences, @junhochoi -- why are the lost packets so different? Why's there any loss when the network has 0% loss?

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@junhochoi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +      bytes_acked += acked_packet.sent_bytes
+      if (bytes_acked >= congestion_window):
+        bytes_acked -= congestion_window
+        congestion_window += max_datagram_size

@janaiyengar it's basically loss by congestion. e.g. https://blog-cloudflare-com-assets.storage.googleapis.com/2020/05/cubic-hs.png (cubic+hystart case). All values are median number over 10 run. And lost packet here is the number of lost packets detected by quiche sender, so actual packet loss may be lower than that.

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A few comments, but this seems to reduce text and is largely useful. Thank you, @gorryfair ! > -Erroneous application of ECN marks in the network can result in degraded -connection performance. An endpoint that receives an ACK frame with ECN -counts therefore validates the counts before using them. It performs this -validation by comparing newly received counts against those from the last -successfully processed ACK frame. Any increase in ECN counts is validated -based on the markings that were applied to packets that are newly -acknowledged in the ACK frame. +Erroneous application of CE-marks by the network can result in degraded ```suggestion Erroneous application of ECN-CE markings by the network can result in degraded ``` > with an ECT(0) marking. Similarly, ECN validation fails if the sum of the increases to ECT(1) and ECN-CE counts is less than the number of newly acknowledged packets sent with an ECT(1) marking. These checks can detect -removal of ECN markings in the network. +remarking of ECN CE-markings by the network. ```suggestion remarking of ECN-CE markings by the network. ``` > -If an ACK frame newly acknowledges a packet that the endpoint sent with either -ECT(0) or ECT(1) codepoints set, ECN validation fails if ECN counts are not -present in the ACK frame. This check detects a network element that zeroes out -ECN bits or a peer that is unable to access ECN markings. +If an ACK frame newly acknowledges a packet that the endpoint sent setting +either the ECT(0) or ECT(1) codepoint, ECN validation fails if the ECN counts ```suggestion either the ECT(0) or ECT(1) codepoint, ECN validation fails if the corresponding ECN counts ``` > +frame. This is why ECN counts are permitted to be larger than the value +corresponding to the largest acknowledged packet number. The old text makes sense to me, but I don't understand this proposed text. 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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f49b44157a96_98d1964216d6-- From nobody Fri Aug 28 19:46:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FA03A0F46 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QXuOyeNJ5StP for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5F8D3A0F43 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62B060001C for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598669156; bh=qnwtFIv01NLJ0LhPpKid6EKpFpTzuIYgsBTtGDi5eds=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GvJN3LYscqPSnRfdt4J8/dwpEA9XDW3TWWN/q++Dc/BzSazhUj6sscvXq+uL6w9V9 AMYIq7rIdWb0JzL8PxhPjcJkoUtD4PJMBnbUvHbB3PnUfKQzjhxvMmsJ+wiZlF+Bh3 beW+ToXd9OkL21beYUTRBkzkv5RBUZfEpPdrIQ8E= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:45:56 -0700 From: John Ericson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Generalizing QUIC to allow underlying tranports other than UDP (#4061) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f49c164a63a8_2f54196410574f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ericson2314 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 02:45:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f49c164a63a8_2f54196410574f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a bit confused by the association with concreteness with legibility. To me, this sounds like saying "I prefer to read assembly than C because it's more concrete w.r.t. the machine code". A higher-level description to me better conveys concepts like purpose behind a mechnaism, which cannot in-general be recovered easily from the low-level description, and furthermore no low-level details are actually being removed (It's like C with an appending containing the disassembly, to continue my earlier analogy). I do understand that a standard can be revised, and so only talking about UDP now doesn't prevent talking about other underlying transports later once they are tried out. But just that there is a risk of specifying the details of other transports without experience, there is the risk of ending up with a "non-portable" protocol that is much more tightly bound to UDP than intended. That can also be a difficult situation to recover from. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4061#issuecomment-683224746 ----==_mimepart_5f49c164a63a8_2f54196410574f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am a bit confused by the association with concreteness with legibility. To me, this sounds like saying "I prefer to read assembly than C because it's more concrete w.r.t. the machine code". A higher-level description to me better conveys concepts like purpose behind a mechnaism, which cannot in-general be recovered easily from the low-level description, and furthermore no low-level details are actually being removed (It's like C with an appending containing the disassembly, to continue my earlier analogy).

I do understand that a standard can be revised, and so only talking about UDP now doesn't prevent talking about other underlying transports later once they are tried out. But just that there is a risk of specifying the details of other transports without experience, there is the risk of ending up with a "non-portable" protocol that is much more tightly bound to UDP than intended. That can also be a difficult situation to recover from.

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----==_mimepart_5f49c164a63a8_2f54196410574f-- From nobody Fri Aug 28 20:05:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7903A0F57 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:05:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYzbyzN3PZch for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E5BC3A0C68 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5419025D8 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598670337; bh=AqYe0fslYQIFV/odPksnT1yq3RLICl0R7ue0K9m0JGs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c4hN7DH0srHMvMGrOGa/6mq9G1k5+c4hO7jC/u2IsBQsIUZ5qV24uHAk37kMmfX7z yzrEC6t6gIofUBX0rqhONanEZ7TwEaJUXYOGtKm1W6Y88O/7EkKq2zF686D0/FE+yR IDRI9ofFn8fycAWYdfyPNnx553H/Bkz5tgLM1KN8= Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:05:36 -0700 From: John Ericson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] WIP: Begin lightly abstracting over the use of UDP as the underlying transport (#4043) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f49c600f0768_3666196417443"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ericson2314 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 03:05:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f49c600f0768_3666196417443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @LPardue @MikeBishop So, going the basic thrust of both your comments so far, We'd end up with fewer constraints on the underlying protocol (e.g. need not be message-origin) and a good bit of information being conditioned on UDP only (ECN, MTU discovery and associated limits and restrictions, etc.). I see very different conclusions one might make based on that, such as: 1. Negative: Meaningfully generalizing QUIC is too difficult because so much is UDP specific, and we'd need to make sure the remainder stands on its own. 2. Neutral: Fine to just continue conditioning sections on being UDP-specific, and just leave fleshing out the remainder for other transports as a future exercise. 3. Positive: It's great there are so many UDP-specific details we can cut away. It would be good to reorder or even split the document to make UDP-specific vs UDP-agnostic a prominent axis around which the standard is organized. I think before I put too much more work with it, would be good to confirm whether you agree with this analysis, and if so, which outlook you both take. Most of the broad feedback is still negative, so I don't want to just stir emotions while beating a dead horse. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4043#issuecomment-683226997 ----==_mimepart_5f49c600f0768_3666196417443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@LPardue @MikeBishop So, going the basic thrust of both your comments so far, We'd end up with fewer constraints on the underlying protocol (e.g. need not be message-origin) and a good bit of information being conditioned on UDP only (ECN, MTU discovery and associated limits and restrictions, etc.). I see very different conclusions one might make based on that, such as:

  1. Negative: Meaningfully generalizing QUIC is too difficult because so much is UDP specific, and we'd need to make sure the remainder stands on its own.

  2. Neutral: Fine to just continue conditioning sections on being UDP-specific, and just leave fleshing out the remainder for other transports as a future exercise.

  3. Positive: It's great there are so many UDP-specific details we can cut away. It would be good to reorder or even split the document to make UDP-specific vs UDP-agnostic a prominent axis around which the standard is organized.

I think before I put too much more work with it, would be good to confirm whether you agree with this analysis, and if so, which outlook you both take. Most of the broad feedback is still negative, so I don't want to just stir emotions while beating a dead horse.

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Could you elaborate on how we might end tying QUIC too closely to UDP? I'm not sure I see how renaming things would help.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks for updating this while I was gone, looks like a good resolution.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 The recovery period aims to limit congestion window reduction to once per round
 trip. Therefore during recovery, the congestion window remains unchanged
 irrespective of new losses or increases in the ECN-CE counter.
 
-When entering recovery, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in flight
-now exceeds the recently reduced congestion window.  This speeds up loss
+When entering a recovery period, a single packet MAY be sent even if bytes in

I find this paragraph a bit odd given the adjusted text about when to reduce CWND, but I guess it's fine.

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----==_mimepart_5f4a832498e88_697619641619fd-- From nobody Sat Aug 29 09:33:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A963A0DCD for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yj_4c7cvHhDp for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B913A0DCB for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cf59896.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B9D5E0E78 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598718829; bh=W0ahF7HXKo3vJrlsAswECzG7jYFLGbH/a+2gzYgRqpA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rH7GwuMg57IeYYop+va+Ta0Xki1yB7SHTrSITLmBzpm3awmX882F6fshE4fakPGqF o2k3FZMfaBPXxOFpc2mbwqk+7EP7tfJ2dUh43GeZI+AMH/37tdJbzNHwkSWwzWx2uF 7ous4GCu7NsY4h7EOBE1pmzRGUm9KZNlW8vKOEC4= Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:33:49 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND (#4006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4a836d996b4_2ae819646170"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:33:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4a836d996b4_2ae819646170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may want to revert this once #3978 lands -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4006#issuecomment-683312851 ----==_mimepart_5f4a836d996b4_2ae819646170 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +frame.  This is why ECN counts are permitted to be larger than the value
+corresponding to the largest acknowledged packet number.

(I couldn't clearly understand the old text in the old context... but expect the intention was fine.) Could someone propose a new sentence following the structure of the old one?

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Aug 30 20:29:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576643A0DE9 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:29:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PT9ds1KVTUD8 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E70243A0DE8 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-bb778fb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0A760007B for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:29:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598844570; bh=eocbxuwuvO+EsHfT7+DX/VeKXNeTwMpIeGW7FbT7ASo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xME9PWIP2YgJ5jaSFPal8gz/yVJeqHXLmvS4t/DcwgLI4qFhKiKOShP9uYxd2z+Lx OY+AMlmu/tCc+8LqmPILFqBBY7XUI1CiEp/mdO9MxtJSmSBTiOTwMyroKT25yMDXrm E1IDlj+grM2q40c1DDeBz1up1GSQ48YHvETk9sVU= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:29:30 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4c6e9a18fd6_55d81964526ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 03:29:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4c6e9a18fd6_55d81964526ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or +migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or +migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously +available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service +at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could +offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a +given range is not safe. + I agree with David. I don't see any way that the MDNS thing would make sense except in a very narrow domain (which WebRTC is). Nothing stopping someone from defining an extension, of course. > +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to +validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the +options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams. + +This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific +to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic +measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation. + + +### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration + +Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent +connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address. + +The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently +sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery. No, this is general, but it is mentioned above. I will add a reminder. > + +Therefore, clients SHOULD NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from +one server address in an Initial packet that is sent to a different server +address. As strict equality might reduce the utility of this mechanism, clients +MAY employ heuristics that result in different server addresses being treated +as equivalent, such as treating addresses with a shared prefix of sufficient +length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /56 in +IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is +successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connection was +made; see {{preferred-address}}. + +Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to change +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's > The design of QUIC relies on endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake. An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is confirmed, as defined in section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS]. Not sure if that is enough, as [this](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-9-2) is not directly a requirement, but more of an assumption. > +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the +Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client. +This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial +packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's +address, thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request +forgery. + + +### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses + +Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after +confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}. The Destination Connection +ID field of packets that the client sends to a preferred address can be used +for request forgery. + +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to I think that repetition will do. > + +This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific +to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic +measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation. + + +### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration + +Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent +connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address. + +The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently +sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery. + +A server that only sends probing packets ({{probing}}) to an address prior to +address validation provides an attacker with only limited control over the I considered it, but thought that the generic text was enough. Note also that there is no guarantee that PATH_RESPONSE is sent on the same path. > +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the +IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent +connection attempts or migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT +allow connections or migration to a loopback address if the same service was +previously available at a different interface or if the address was provided by +a service at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these +capabilities could offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a +given range is not safe. Yes, it acknowledges the problem, but this explicitly does not fix it (I don't know how you might read otherwise). The SHOULD NOT exists to prohibit reactionary solutions that don't work. Do you have a solution you would prefer? > +what packets the peer sends and where these packets are sent. If an attacker +can target a vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might +perform actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the +attacker. + +For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}} +exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization +cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and +actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site. + +As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an +attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams and can +control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of the data +sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over ciphertext. An +attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a UDP datagram to +a host that will perform some action based on content in the datagram. I don't have anything concrete. Any example would be hard to describe with anything other than "this person/organization did something really unwise". Given the absence of a news-worthy example that would be easy to reference, this is really just a request to search for someone to shame. > +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this does +not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field for an +attack. + +Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of +servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However, +it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common +targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for +attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not +send datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination +address. Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be +problematic without using them. + +Note: + +: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than I must be very confused, but your round trip point seems wrong. The key point here is that the round trip is not safe, so any time you attempt that you are exposing services to a potential attack. The point of this text is to describe heuristics that *might* block attacks without sending a packet at all. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent connection attempts or
+migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT allow connections or
+migration to a non-loopback address if the same service was previously
+available over a different interface or the address was provided by a service
+at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these capabilities could
+offer an option to disable these protections.
+
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global,
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate cases. Endpoints
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about
+the network that indicates that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a
+given range is not safe.
+

I agree with David. I don't see any way that the MDNS thing would make sense except in a very narrow domain (which WebRTC is). Nothing stopping someone from defining an extension, of course.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to
+validating that address; see {{address-validation}}. This greatly reduces the
+options that a server has to control the encrypted portion of datagrams.
+
+This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific
+to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic
+measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration
+
+Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent
+connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently
+sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery.

No, this is general, but it is mentioned above. I will add a reminder.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Therefore, clients SHOULD NOT send a token received in a NEW_TOKEN frame from
+one server address in an Initial packet that is sent to a different server
+address. As strict equality might reduce the utility of this mechanism, clients
+MAY employ heuristics that result in different server addresses being treated
+as equivalent, such as treating addresses with a shared prefix of sufficient
+length as being functionally equivalent (for instance, /24 in IPv4 or /56 in
+IPv6). In addition, clients SHOULD treat a preferred address that is
+successfully validated as equivalent to the address on which the connection was
+made; see {{preferred-address}}.
+
+Sending a Retry packet ({{packet-retry}}) offers a server the option to change
+the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the
+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client.
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's

The design of QUIC relies on endpoints retaining a stable address for the duration of the handshake. An endpoint MUST NOT initiate connection migration before the handshake is confirmed, as defined in section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS].

Not sure if that is enough, as this is not directly a requirement, but more of an assumption.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the Token field. After sending a Retry, the server can also control the
+Destination Connection ID field of subsequent Initial packets from the client.
+This also might allow indirect control over the encrypted content of Initial
+packets. However, the exchange of a Retry packet validates the server's
+address, thereby preventing the use of subsequent Initial packets for request
+forgery.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Preferred Addresses
+
+Servers can specify a preferred address, which clients then migrate to after
+confirming the handshake; see {{preferred-address}}. The Destination Connection
+ID field of packets that the client sends to a preferred address can be used
+for request forgery.
+
+A client MUST NOT send non-probing frames to a preferred address prior to

I think that repetition will do.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+This document does not offer any additional countermeasures that are specific
+to use of preferred addresses and can be implemented by endpoints. The generic
+measures described in {{forgery-generic}} could be used as further mitigation.
+
+
+### Request Forgery with Spoofed Migration
+
+Clients are able to present a spoofed source address as part of an apparent
+connection migration to cause a server to send datagrams to that address.
+
+The Destination Connection ID field in any packets that a server subsequently
+sends to this spoofed address can be used for request forgery.
+
+A server that only sends probing packets ({{probing}}) to an address prior to
+address validation provides an attacker with only limited control over the

I considered it, but thought that the generic text was enough. Note also that there is no guarantee that PATH_RESPONSE is sent on the same path.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the
+IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent
+connection attempts or migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT
+allow connections or migration to a loopback address if the same service was
+previously available at a different interface or if the address was provided by
+a service at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these
+capabilities could offer an option to disable these protections.
+
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global,
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about
+the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a
+given range is not safe.

Yes, it acknowledges the problem, but this explicitly does not fix it (I don't know how you might read otherwise). The SHOULD NOT exists to prohibit reactionary solutions that don't work.

Do you have a solution you would prefer?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +what packets the peer sends and where these packets are sent. If an attacker
+can target a vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might
+perform actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the
+attacker.
+
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization
+cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.
+
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an
+attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams and can
+control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of the data
+sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over ciphertext. An
+attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a UDP datagram to
+a host that will perform some action based on content in the datagram.

I don't have anything concrete. Any example would be hard to describe with anything other than "this person/organization did something really unwise". Given the absence of a news-worthy example that would be easy to reference, this is really just a request to search for someone to shame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this does
+not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field for an
+attack.
+
+Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of
+servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However,
+it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common
+targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for
+attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not
+send datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination
+address. Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be
+problematic without using them.
+
+Note:
+
+: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than

I must be very confused, but your round trip point seems wrong. The key point here is that the round trip is not safe, so any time you attempt that you are exposing services to a potential attack. The point of this text is to describe heuristics that might block attacks without sending a packet at all.

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As @DavidSchinazi is likely one of the first people to want an abstraction, his opposition is worth paying attention to.

For me, this discussion highlights how abstractions aren't free. They aren't free in terms of the time that I need to spend in order to review changes, then maintain them. I appreciate that someone is willing to do the work to create the abstraction, but remember that you are asking editors to maintain that abstraction. Other such "gifts" have turned out to be extremely expensive in the past as well.

People have talked about comprehension. I think that the pull request demonstrates a small regression in comprehension. That might be improved, but, to my previous point, that's not work that I was planning on doing.

Either way, I've taken a look at the work so far and the number of subtle errors makes me disinclined to accept the gift.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
 Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.
 
-On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST
+On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD

Why was this changed to a MUST? I thought if there is "unless" condition, MUST is the right choice.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change in the peer's address is its port number.  Because
+port-only changes are commonly the result of NAT rebinding or other middlebox
+activity, the endpoint MAY instead retain its congestion control state and
+round-trip estimate in those cases instead of reverting to initial values.
+In cases where congestion control state
+retained from an old path is used on a new path with substantially different
+characteristics, a sender may transmit too aggressively until the congestion

Not necessarily - if the new path has more capacity than the old one, the sender would not send to aggressively.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
 Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.
 
-On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST
+On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD

It was changed to SHOULD because we added the "unless" clause. This is exactly what a SHOULD is for?

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----==_mimepart_5f4cd6acbf43f_339819642963f9-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 05:02:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A203A12C3 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:02:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id imigBtYu9ewv for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0261D3A12B1 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36900E1EFB for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598875376; bh=zcxnzYUjqg00qX6twAyNLKWM91rXFgmI/Z6OXxlx6w0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BO2D+jdc0EA/k93TLPid3Uuve9q99EIm4S8IC0R3Dt7TaQb8+PoXNQT5pNo/akfZM wB1ff9orfMT8o5hBv72h1raR5pEAKu0ZV6PFJbO7vUzrSIB8TXVHoadYeilQMtrfw7 RNLkV/LwcxwyhGYq7hd1DOqdXsmoqIpArlg+HtBc= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:02:56 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4ce6f025b84_5b0d19641545d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:02:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4ce6f025b84_5b0d19641545d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mirjak commented on this pull request. > @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path. Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path. -On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST +On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD This is a thing I'm never sure about but I would use MUST with an explicit exception. While SHOULD would mean there might be more exceptions... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r480083617 ----==_mimepart_5f4ce6f025b84_5b0d19641545d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
 Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.
 
-On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST
+On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD

This is a thing I'm never sure about but I would use MUST with an explicit exception. While SHOULD would mean there might be more exceptions...

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----==_mimepart_5f4ce6f025b84_5b0d19641545d6-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 05:48:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DFD3A130F for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:48:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4RmU0nwpxl07 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD4CA3A130E for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0078B520E34 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:48:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598878094; bh=dvRZCAXfy5PSTrFlwBJ3q+0VqVDlpiVSxpiTQckqUA8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=y1Oue0As1Ei3oUTuv/Q+AjQ0isGmzH23wf0rqYKRe4+3p8A05iUUyiDMVIUHJjDcW LxGbE2wj/72uscmQ+T1W1rpONEPJkEuam2ik0Ec/l7//eeW+rHtlJEu89WiKPdJ4jT ZwsFk68iLlZnsEgVm9NmAM1Q2FzviEmNMkvjPE9Q= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 05:48:13 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4cf18de5025_5b0d1964378338"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:48:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4cf18de5025_5b0d1964378338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert commented on this pull request. > @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path. Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path. -On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST +On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD I was under the impression that a MUST with an exception was a SHOULD, per 2119. I have no problems if that understanding is wrong, although a MUST...unless just feels odd. What do others think? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r480106563 ----==_mimepart_5f4cf18de5025_5b0d1964378338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@larseggert commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
 Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.
 
-On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST
+On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD

I was under the impression that a MUST with an exception was a SHOULD, per 2119. I have no problems if that understanding is wrong, although a MUST...unless just feels odd. What do others think?

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I'm seeing quite a bit of pushback on the issue and #4061. People who are in favor of making this change should please state their case soon.

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----==_mimepart_5f4cf78596b26_161319645036e6-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 07:32:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AD13A13F9 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JluOoZFYgbAC for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 449FF3A13F8 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB24A560427 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598884316; bh=SFd9kWqndXZ0ECYWKJHtowEba5iDCgh2pSUroSI3r3I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YcR7NyVX6rw7ER3wZK5UX/QzcG6I/LN5zOheP18AssmadGKsY4cYqyMIVwALjgEXE 9AX8QZurhClhvMe4s4aY812TpSTUxgceAd53PeGM7enUagN+iE0rxlmpTcpNqfU1Xv KfvpgyPkBUtuB2ZUZDndxOZ0aJb7J7RgOSDLdBlg= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 07:31:56 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4d09dccad42_48361964379476"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:32:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4d09dccad42_48361964379476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert commented on this pull request. > immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) -unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is -valid for the new path. For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in -only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the -new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this -determination will be imperfect. If the determination is incorrect, the -congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new -path. Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous -values on a new path. +unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number. Because @MikeBishop is there something left to resolve here? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r480170434 ----==_mimepart_5f4d09dccad42_48361964379476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

@MikeBishop is there something left to resolve here?

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 31 09:27:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38393A1759 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7_KygTLez5N for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 383C93A1754 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CDB90002C for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:27:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598891221; bh=smwp83yYI172m2JqEKpN+nVBUokyZPfpaUoN7Ya1utY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SsiHBh1lNRsAC7HL8PKcIW4hboszJx0EmH9/G3QM0U+ErWXQkuLgVPeCkHQTka20k jW7Z3dHW+olrlcGgCi1lJgSpPqoyg6LZP5AjNSG5b0vLkP8PfUmcO5q31PYQtqntdu lIo/IHSECJWl51E+GsHC9EjCQGkyogFJ4ZJPVHJ0= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 09:27:01 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move/duplicate no server migration text (#4063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4d24d574e47_649319647287f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:27:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4d24d574e47_649319647287f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 9.6 says: Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left for future work. If a client receives packets from a new server address not indicated by the preferred_address transport parameter, the client SHOULD discard these packets. However, this is after several sections which describe how connection migration works generically from either side, including this text in 9.3. Receiving a packet from a new peer address containing a non-probing frame indicates that the peer has migrated to that address. In response to such a packet, an endpoint MUST start sending subsequent packets to the new peer address and MUST initiate path validation (Section 8.2) to verify the peer's ownership of the unvalidated address. Which is confusing and in fact arguably contradictory. I would propose that we add a sentence to the top of 9.3 that explains that while the text is generic, it actually only applies to servers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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9.6 says:

Migrating a connection to a new server address mid-connection is left
for future work. If a client receives packets from a new server
address not indicated by the preferred_address transport parameter,
the client SHOULD discard these packets.

However, this is after several sections which describe how connection migration works generically from either side, including this text in 9.3.

Receiving a packet from a new peer address containing a non-probing
frame indicates that the peer has migrated to that address.
In response to such a packet, an endpoint MUST start sending
subsequent packets to the new peer address and MUST initiate path
validation (Section 8.2) to verify the peer's ownership of the
unvalidated address.

Which is confusing and in fact arguably contradictory. I would propose that we add a sentence to the top of 9.3 that explains that while the text is generic, it actually only applies to servers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +      bytes_acked += acked_packet.sent_bytes
+      if (bytes_acked >= congestion_window):
+        bytes_acked -= congestion_window
+        congestion_window += max_datagram_size

Are these controlled at the bottleneck or is this uncontrolled loss on the Internet? The number of packets lost seem quite different, and I'm trying to understand why those loss numbers are so different.

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Currently, the Path Validation Responses subsection does not specify which path a PATH_RESPONSE needs to be sent over. That was somewhat surprising to me, as I had expected it to be scoped to the path that PATH_CHALLENGE was received on. If it isn't, could we add a sentence to the Path Validation Responses subsection to explicitly state that a PATH_RESPONSE is not scoped to a given path (and ideally explaining why it isn't)?

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----==_mimepart_5f4d41c820d5b_5d5219642803ba-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 11:32:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEF83A1880 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:32:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2m2ynLH8fMu1 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6A253A0D4D for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC52484002C for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598898754; bh=w6wRebD4R7X6CxZsXR0/KBc6KqlKS6+8vBsWeerSQQI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oS69WWPSl4UomJd/0fHa8U/wHKWVGbFHbXufS0Mg4Ha4LXp/kcYVWKFQYKdwg1Ici vKa7a23+MfOFUS04n/texb83EgIqdStsO6cc4XsmywBHIPCOxjSlkbgSZ9wqQSiBqQ +biAG30fx/skOchYjHj41NNHeTquivjoxIMFV4HQ= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:32:34 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Cite the second reason bytes_in_flight might exceed CWND (#4006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4d42429b45f_17e619642694cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:32:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4d42429b45f_17e619642694cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #3978 still allows you to reduce the cwnd on entering recovery, so I think this text is still good. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4006#issuecomment-683953301 ----==_mimepart_5f4d42429b45f_17e619642694cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#3978 still allows you to reduce the cwnd on entering recovery, so I think this text is still good.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +what packets the peer sends and where these packets are sent. If an attacker
+can target a vulnerable service with a controlled payload, that service might
+perform actions that are attributed to the attacker's peer, but decided by the
+attacker.
+
+For example, cross-site request forgery {{?CSRF=DOI.10.1145/1455770.1455782}}
+exploits on the Web cause a client to issue requests that include authorization
+cookies {{?COOKIE=RFC6265}}, allowing one site access to information and
+actions that are intended to be restricted to a different site.
+
+As QUIC runs over UDP, the primary attack modality of concern is one where an
+attacker can select the address to which its peer sends UDP datagrams and can
+control some of the unprotected content of those packets. As much of the data
+sent by QUIC endpoints is protected, this includes control over ciphertext. An
+attack is successful if an attacker can cause a peer to send a UDP datagram to
+a host that will perform some action based on content in the datagram.

I'm not trying to shame anyone. I'm trying to ascertain whether this change is the right one: we're worsening the performance of the protocol (by requiring extra round-trips in some scenarios) and if the attack is purely theoretical then we shouldn't do that. Having a concrete example of actual harm would help motivate the performance degradation.

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@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +frames in packets prior to completing address validation. Note that this does
+not prevent an attacker from using the Destination Connection ID field for an
+attack.
+
+Endpoints are not expected to have specific information about the location of
+servers that could be vulnerable targets of a request forgery attack. However,
+it might be possible over time to identify specific UDP ports that are common
+targets of attacks or particular patterns in datagrams that are used for
+attacks. Endpoints MAY choose to avoid sending datagrams to these ports or not
+send datagrams that match these patterns prior to validating the destination
+address. Endpoints MAY retire connection IDs containing patterns known to be
+problematic without using them.
+
+Note:
+
+: Modifying endpoints to apply these protections is more efficient than

It's definitely possible that I'm the one confused. In my understanding, we have two ways of solving the "QUIC endpoint is sending attacker-controlled data to unvalidated address" issue:

  1. the QUIC endpoint limits what it sends before validation
  2. a magical network appliance verifies that the QUIC endpoint isn't sending evil packets where it shouldn't

I do agree with you that we want (1) instead of (2), but saying that (1) is more efficient than (2) isn't necessarily true if you measure efficiency as QUIC performance, because (1) can add a round trip but (2) doesn't

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"there is the risk of ending up with a "non-portable" protocol that is much more tightly bound to UDP than intended."

QUIC was meant to run on UDP, and there was no intention to make this protocol portable in this working group. The first sentence of the working group's charter says: "The QUIC working group will provide standards-track specifications for a UDP-based, stream-multiplexing, encrypted transport protocol, based on pre-standardization implementation and deployment experience."

This suggests to me that building a portable version of QUIC is outside the scope of the working group.

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----==_mimepart_5f4d4db1c5090_6286196424933b-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 12:28:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FF03A1903 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:28:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4g391AUGna42 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E51B3A1900 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B1F5E0574 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598902111; bh=sxtSGWrIkkN/rPpiIQu0SSqbJ8aKxEkufaz7Lqdrvjs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=auS/fqCWFpjhN/+celNWRysfa4uj2IB4XwU+jckAA8KbzEa5FwbO74Aw/5Mc+oRoz 4bf/xziIXnmbQuWzbUYml7+owFiE8egUY9To2c0BdH1+M9vlup/reyCglX2P0aasrI SV8ZZdjACwHErEQ//3n0EELvEEa3klDy4hU/8xio= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:28:31 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4d4f5f896c9_57601964605737"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 19:28:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4d4f5f896c9_57601964605737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path. Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path. -On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST +On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD We've used "MUST ... unless" in the document to carve out specific exceptions. RFC 2119 says that violating a SHOULD is allowed if the implementer knows what they're doing. "MUST ... unless" is more prescriptive -- it says that the implementer can ignore the MUST only under the exceptional condition. In this instance, I agree with @mirjak that "MUST ... unless" is the intent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r480348791 ----==_mimepart_5f4d4f5f896c9_57601964605737 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2432,17 +2432,18 @@ The capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.
 Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT
 estimation for the new path.
 
-On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint MUST
+On confirming a peer's ownership of its new address, an endpoint SHOULD

We've used "MUST ... unless" in the document to carve out specific exceptions. RFC 2119 says that violating a SHOULD is allowed if the implementer knows what they're doing. "MUST ... unless" is more prescriptive -- it says that the implementer can ignore the MUST only under the exceptional condition.

In this instance, I agree with @mirjak that "MUST ... unless" is the intent.

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@ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

This is likely good, but I'm worried this is becoming overly complex and implementation dependent.

I'd actually suggest we remove pseudocode for InPersistentCongestion() and leave it up to implementers.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 31 16:46:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F283A19DA for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RDfc9yYaAmpO for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD0D63A1096 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0f78100.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136659001F3 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598917567; bh=YeReF4QIYDcFveXn+q40wIQLQvx0VtRni6XueitsxlA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=131tZyPdOQL89FiH31uFk6LNiyiTseM2YcHAw29ox9n4T+BIaEf4KCfWqcvQBeEkg bVM2EkZ5Jl6ZU0fTgMTCcnGzxs7OoaPkiz5YRLy8r7naswc45t0jon1fNDj/I29wFq Gih7xOhQxsHulfrJhL7gHsCccUFldHOiTjh6PGD4= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 16:46:07 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document request forgery (#3996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4d8bbf2ffa_40191964873c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:46:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4d8bbf2ffa_40191964873c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the +IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent +connection attempts or migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT +allow connections or migration to a loopback address if the same service was +previously available at a different interface or if the address was provided by +a service at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these +capabilities could offer an option to disable these protections. + +Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address +{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global, +unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at +request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but +that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints +SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about +the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a +given range is not safe. Huh. I just reread the paragraph, and now it I agree with you that it mentions the issue and warns against reactionary solutions. I guess I must have misread it last time around, apologies. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3996#discussion_r480476588 ----==_mimepart_5f4d8bbf2ffa_40191964873c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Services offered over loopback interfaces (that is, the IPv6 address ::1 or the
+IPv4 address 127.0.0.1) often lack proper authentication. Endpoints MAY prevent
+connection attempts or migration to a loopback address. Endpoints SHOULD NOT
+allow connections or migration to a loopback address if the same service was
+previously available at a different interface or if the address was provided by
+a service at a non-loopback address. Endpoints that depend on these
+capabilities could offer an option to disable these protections.
+
+Similarly, endpoints could regard a change in address to link-local address
+{{?RFC4291}} or an address in a private use range {{?RFC1918}} from a global,
+unique-local {{?RFC4193}}, or non-private address as a potential attempt at
+request forgery. Endpoints could refuse to use these addresses entirely, but
+that carries a significant risk of interfering with legitimate uses. Endpoints
+SHOULD NOT refuse to use an address unless they have specific knowledge about
+the network indicating that sending datagrams to unvalidated addresses in a
+given range is not safe.

Huh. I just reread the paragraph, and now it I agree with you that it mentions the issue and warns against reactionary solutions. I guess I must have misread it last time around, apologies.

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This may be stupid and is definitely editorial, but should we provide advice for an endpoint to not do the following:

CID for connection 1: 0x34a3f036
CID for connection 2: 0x34a3f036a2
?

It would be crazy to do this intentionally, but if an endpoint randomly generates CIDs with differing lengths, it probably ought to catch the case, or otherwise implement trial decryption.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Aug 31 22:45:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912343A0C28 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kPgaqYl-r_5x for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 695193A0BF1 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca235ff.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1D2520746 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598939122; bh=jRjifHGTuQXkFY/AhIYw+AUy3Jtqa6qWpVc2cOh2eOY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tyTTECfb/oukrp7HpGS4CuhdBQX2PeG7L5eXIXF0HhiSNTR2pS/SdNDfjzIhJeSRp OaPERAt9dG4trct5wcyIYd2JBGLtyvXo1PYAE3nOKxOrJ9LoQVP+1Gc0lhu7afjw9H nMuQydg53p1fllHtRIR0aj+Qi9qtQVy2wLO+XRcM= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:45:22 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move/duplicate no server migration text (#4063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4ddff25941f_50901964335555"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 05:45:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4ddff25941f_50901964335555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this enough? > This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses, except as described in Section 9.6. This appears in [the top of Section 9](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-9-6) (that's paragraph 6, not sub-section 6 in case you look at the URL). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4063#issuecomment-684361776 ----==_mimepart_5f4ddff25941f_50901964335555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Is this enough?

This document limits migration of connections to new client addresses, except as described in Section 9.6.

This appears in the top of Section 9 (that's paragraph 6, not sub-section 6 in case you look at the URL).

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----==_mimepart_5f4ddff25941f_50901964335555-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 23:07:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584E83A0C5A for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:07:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VV82FeySZ5R2 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E3C13A0C57 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EEAE0DA8 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:07:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1598940437; bh=KGv2526Ros498org1bJAkXnE5Db6D0FQd+UuGwTg2gs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lI94+AZ5QIm2dhAPUWgBuz4qnpZUpXZaexoMy5F/pF2OyHcOwic/a0nbyMyBm+n9v tMwUkxwsoHd72X1j2WOc/JmF+Ir/qOII6PN7BFCYl4cHJmfWWky2YDU7vqOvRjJ9Wk cGFove/fy7XGAZYNAlPuRvuGvjJBHfJ5v0xrrCaU= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:07:17 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid generating overlapping CIDs? (#4065) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f4de51526967_44e51964223454"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 06:07:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f4de51526967_44e51964223454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't quite see the problem. In a long header, there is the CID length, so there is no confusion. In a short header, the implementation needs a way to derive the CID length implicitly, e.g., by only using one length or through some other means. That means an implementation can always distinguish the two? In other words, when it can't, it's buggy. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4065#issuecomment-684406704 ----==_mimepart_5f4de51526967_44e51964223454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't quite see the problem. In a long header, there is the CID length, so there is no confusion. In a short header, the implementation needs a way to derive the CID length implicitly, e.g., by only using one length or through some other means. That means an implementation can always distinguish the two? In other words, when it can't, it's buggy.

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@martinduke's example is clearly ambiguous, but I don't think we need to document it. It's pretty clear that connections wouldn't survive very long if this happened.

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[... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 06:45:31 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0b7bc2acf5094ab1874fce2b1f8e419e56f1ffb2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0b7bc2acf5094ab1874fce2b1f8e419e56f1ffb2 Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-09-01 (Tue, 01 Sep 2020) Changed paths: M archive.json Log Message: ----------- Script updating archive at 2020-09-01T06:45:10Z. [ci skip]