From nobody Thu Oct 1 22:40:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560193A0E54 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8RDuivOyWWEV for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8D983A0E51 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-69d0eb1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.103.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CC3DF5C0590 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:40:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601617240; bh=PdGrRgQSewbD/+J9//5CYjG6TreoXtPfa0vmf/J+X/U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Z6NJByS3yTbfj5+7+g/xxRDx7/8DyBw80gQZ613m2AQ4fLOOCDXjy07YiskW5XPF5 ti0U1vFqegwoBfYMMPK0nZ4lxYTu+1RAf4CMtQZUQ8ph8O3ii6GTNMDWrtNMH9Knf1 FmQapByvasLypJlWSrwGBxCW+CrBZQ645NZ500UQ= Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 22:40:40 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ec3afc: Update AEAD limits for larger packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 05:40:43 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/large-packet-limits Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: ec3afc34f4e358e446f4077eb3473f5a1fccf534 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ec3afc34f4e358e446f4077eb3473f5a1fccf534 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-02 (Fri, 02 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update AEAD limits for larger packets The analysis describes conditions where higher limits might be allowed, and provides a formula in each case that can be used to determine other limits more readily. The number of changes I've made here are somewhat frightening. This is why I resisted doing this. This will need careful double-checking. The actual numbers don't concern me much, it's the changes to the structure that need to be looked at. Some of the changes are editorial, but they still need extra eyes. Closes #3701. 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 1 22:42:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B683A0A8E for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vjfauK2HViO6 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 569EE3A0A26 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a7f7939.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.37]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8FC2B340079 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601617344; bh=D4Gl8yQ+omSdc5stIUdHD2pXcEAqLx1aMSIcnRsn5xM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=lagNIkNUTJ48HpW9/YynTPaZI8eeCKkD6ZzDQPoj77gYE2vHRasvpo3B4uz7+gZ+D c2qCA4Xasv4szoVQWx74sS5mbNB35MdYgup+3f3vXGu2FxZENB006N9fXas2Ze61e0 DSLSb8gyEJPm9f/vBNuHiVRhF3N2FnlkbdkEnZjE= Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 22:42:24 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 71e352: Update AEAD limits for larger packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 05:42:27 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/large-packet-limits Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 71e352d3a416de5b2810eb575c23208de07ad8e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71e352d3a416de5b2810eb575c23208de07ad8e2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-02 (Fri, 02 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update AEAD limits for larger packets The analysis describes conditions where higher limits might be allowed, and provides a formula in each case that can be used to determine other limits more readily. The number of changes I've made here are somewhat frightening. This is why I resisted doing this. This will need careful double-checking. The actual numbers don't concern me much, it's the changes to the structure that need to be looked at. Some of the changes are editorial, but they still need extra eyes. Closes #3701. 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The number of changes I've made here are somewhat frightening. This is why I resisted doing this. This will need careful double-checking. The actual numbers don't concern me much, it's the changes to the structure that need to be looked at. Some of the changes are editorial, but they still need extra eyes. Closes #3701. 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The number of changes I've made here are somewhat frightening. This is why I resisted doing this. This will need careful double-checking. I think that this is better, but I'm not sure that I feel happy about having spent the time. The actual numbers don't concern me much, anyone can subtract 2, but the changes to the structure really need to be looked at. Some of the changes are editorial, but they still need extra eyes. Closes #3701. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4175 -- Commit Summary -- * Update AEAD limits for larger packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (109) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4175.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4175.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The analysis describes conditions where higher limits might be allowed, and provides a formula in each case that can be used to determine other limits more readily.

The number of changes I've made here are somewhat frightening. This is why I resisted doing this. This will need careful double-checking. I think that this is better, but I'm not sure that I feel happy about having spent the time.

The actual numbers don't concern me much, anyone can subtract 2, but the changes to the structure really need to be looked at. Some of the changes are editorial, but they still need extra eyes.

Closes #3701.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4175

Commit Summary

  • Update AEAD limits for larger packets

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----==_mimepart_5f7723ccb9487_349819f0249580-- From nobody Fri Oct 2 06:35:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F663A1629 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 06:35:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLsMnmNrzwSB for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C1723A1627 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 06:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fa7043e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5701A9003F9 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 06:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601645743; bh=YX3RfVlQL+C2PaeERd8M6V5rM2rWfTF9yCK8MbLzbHg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GwKJt1XstXTRDFzSU+KZbtXd8vvcma1slgkfcLKM0EvWxAucBgdo5Jo3oNy/cJENC VOOsv1LAPmfDiUoYrQaawWxw+2lwVwFrZ+ShP3qEu2E5jEiMtAOWESaApsD5++UDdj hkdwDUojadqcTZEa7wafVepIp+bOk/nuothMANg4= Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 06:35:43 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery-31 erronous references to external docs (#4176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f772caf47e24_6c2a19f0167718"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 13:35:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f772caf47e24_6c2a19f0167718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So there are a couple of section references in the doc that points the wrong section in other documents. - Section 6.2.1: "A sender SHOULD restart its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS]), or when Initial or Handshake keys are discarded (Section 9 of [QUIC-TLS])", should that last ref be to section 4.9 in QUIC-TLS?" - Section 6.4: "see Section 4.8 of [QUIC-TLS])" This is now Section 4.9. - Section B.2: max_datagram_size: The sender's current maximum payload size. Does not include UDP or IP overhead. The max datagram size is used for congestion window computations. An endpoint sets the value of this variable based on its PMTU (see Section 14.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]), with a minimum value of 1200 bytes." Should that Section 14.1 reference be to 14.2. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4176 ----==_mimepart_5f772caf47e24_6c2a19f0167718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So there are a couple of section references in the doc that points the wrong section in other documents.

  • Section 6.2.1: "A sender SHOULD restart its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting packet is sent or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS]), or when Initial or Handshake keys are discarded (Section 9 of [QUIC-TLS])", should that last ref be to section 4.9 in QUIC-TLS?"

  • Section 6.4: "see Section 4.8 of [QUIC-TLS])" This is now Section 4.9.

  • Section B.2: max_datagram_size: The sender's current maximum payload size. Does not include UDP or IP overhead. The max datagram size is used for congestion window computations. An endpoint sets the value of this variable based on its PMTU (see Section 14.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]), with a minimum value of 1200 bytes." Should that Section 14.1 reference be to 14.2.

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The recovery draft have significant amount of pseudo code. Per the IETF trust legal provision (TLP) (https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.pdf) code components have a specific license. The TLP is also clear that anything enclosed in and is to be considered code components. Thus for clarity of identification I would propose that the psudocode in this document uses these tags.

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A normative reference necessary to follow if one selects to use the optional method. - Sectiom 7.3.2: "Implementations MAY reduce the congestion window immediately upon entering a recovery period or use other mechanisms, such as Proportional Rate Reduction ([PRR]), to reduce the congestion window more gradually." Another case of a suggested mechanism, which if one is to follow it requires one to read that PPR reference. Secondly, why the alternative reference style. - Section 8.3: "Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ([RFC3168]), but other responses can be specified, such as ([RFC8511]) or ([RFC8311])." So RFC3168 is the normative specification for the treat it equal to loss. RFC8511 is the TCP alternative back-off an experimental specification for the alternative. And RFC8311 is the process for performing other experiments with alternative responses. I judge all necessary depending on what one intendeds to do. So to my understanding this results in two downrefs to experimental specifications. I think that is acceptable in the context they are used in this document. But to be tried in IETF last call. However, I think I don't want to generally recommend them to be acceptable as downrefs so I have no intentions to promote them for the Downref registry. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178 ----==_mimepart_5f7737cc6c3c5_475d19f01021a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In Recovery-31 there are several references that I judge as normative and not informative ones.

  • Section 7.8: "A sender MAY use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of [RFC7661] to determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized." A normative reference necessary to follow if one selects to use the optional method.

  • Sectiom 7.3.2: "Implementations MAY reduce the congestion window immediately upon entering a recovery period or use other mechanisms, such as Proportional Rate Reduction ([PRR]), to reduce the congestion window more gradually." Another case of a suggested mechanism, which if one is to follow it requires one to read that PPR reference. Secondly, why the alternative reference style.

  • Section 8.3: "Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ([RFC3168]), but other responses can be specified, such as ([RFC8511]) or ([RFC8311])." So RFC3168 is the normative specification for the treat it equal to loss. RFC8511 is the TCP alternative back-off an experimental specification for the alternative. And RFC8311 is the process for performing other experiments with alternative responses. I judge all necessary depending on what one intendeds to do.

So to my understanding this results in two downrefs to experimental specifications. I think that is acceptable in the context they are used in this document. But to be tried in IETF last call. However, I think I don't want to generally recommend them to be acceptable as downrefs so I have no intentions to promote them for the Downref registry.

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@DavidSchinazi approved this pull request.

This PR is exactly what I was hoping for, thanks for writing it. As far as I can tell, it's correct. It also fully addresses my concerns from #3701.

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----==_mimepart_5f774cbb87a61_13bd19f0872ef-- From nobody Fri Oct 2 10:31:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119943A11F3 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9j4Y_yWatcqv for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B1223A113B for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145F7560F2B for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601659869; bh=2vdp9Ui1co28p2TcpwF9mLfs3QCaF0OFIUiBRhp+XZc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h/W9BU3EylvEd4RehI1z6gd4Gev9d807xdQHbewc1bCqAUmzs0JuInadcH/iQc5WJ ql/hZEEA4OuWu1V9rvyuVoi5CqiK24k/LQyjGv3m7Ma/kjKKBE1VrnGov+CtXZXdSf x0zuA1+LVojB5QGepU/6Cxv5SY38Vx4U4fYNvwTI= Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 10:31:09 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Use of and tags (#4177) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7763dd4ca7_2fc519f0510ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 17:31:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7763dd4ca7_2fc519f0510ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does this also apply to pseudocode? Because the TLP defines code as "intended to be directly processed by a computer", which this pseudocode cannot be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4177#issuecomment-702862518 ----==_mimepart_5f7763dd4ca7_2fc519f0510ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Does this also apply to pseudocode? Because the TLP defines code as "intended to be directly processed by a computer", which this pseudocode cannot be.

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4179 -- Commit Summary -- * Make refs normative -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4179.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4179.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4179 ----==_mimepart_5f778fb77488d_482c19f02505a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closes #4178.

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Commit Summary

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #4176. 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Closes #4176.

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Commit Summary

  • Fix external references

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 20:59:32 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3b20819339efd62017bb01c5b2e401b317d89f40 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b20819339efd62017bb01c5b2e401b317d89f40 Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-10-02 (Fri, 02 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M index.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-http.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html A jri/fixrefs/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt A jri/fixrefs/index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from bcd64aae. 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I have the same question as Lars. https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/Code-Components-List-4-23-09.txt does not seem to include pseudo code.

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----==_mimepart_5f7795b71e02a_33f919f028208d-- From nobody Sun Oct 4 06:49:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555713A08B8 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2020 06:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yIlNf66cxW3c for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2020 06:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A8CC3A08BA for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2020 06:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D39F5200A0 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2020 06:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601819366; bh=CJ/z1fzbNbAeKm9mv0xJbvpSY5vYF6DWpcjJROINObo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DkUnVQU8T2veE3HagTEae7f7Url8NTALqwe8xi1wsAVW9zlLGnCiQ37Ne9RiYKx6R 40ksqMVaCoeyo6I99dmn9IasfUd/p3gUVVKSyep1lN+2UptMaMVn7KnnDULmF8qWzi DaR4x9PzukOFFnQ2A0iPBbzDgkS8hCVfYsMcYeMY= Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 06:49:26 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make references normative (#4179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f79d2e61ab07_93619f02589927"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:49:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f79d2e61ab07_93619f02589927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett approved this pull request. I'm not the expert on what should be normative, but these were intentionally marked as informative references since they're all TCP specific RFCs. The pipeACK reference in particular seems like an odd one. If this is what the chairs want, then I'm ok with it as an editor, but these choices were intentional. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4179#pullrequestreview-501625377 ----==_mimepart_5f79d2e61ab07_93619f02589927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett approved this pull request.

I'm not the expert on what should be normative, but these were intentionally marked as informative references since they're all TCP specific RFCs. The pipeACK reference in particular seems like an odd one.

If this is what the chairs want, then I'm ok with it as an editor, but these choices were intentional.

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From nobody Mon Oct 5 13:43:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933763A0F9B for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u5-wSG17T1Dr for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 13:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1929F3A0AE6 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 13:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0F4840079 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 13:43:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601930616; bh=QNiczQzzA5vObWbqfMgQiPZZK/XIVMh27I2iwW5Yisg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p3R1JhgoyvJ0Ga8xbo75gbSkNRUKlYxnHbTZuMzsgGkwZ1ZaZJ2S6r1BVgyksFUgn 9U8hIxwPuKouYw2Svdikp+dUuRJccfNaEsjOaqFmoqtpVW401pbsd18IBsmJzovohA hBQKoszme1ggDzG/+t2++1K1p+cEsClMsnixtwxE= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 13:43:36 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make references normative (#4179) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7b85781be0a_552319f058238"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 20:43:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7b85781be0a_552319f058238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke requested changes on this pull request. I see what @gloinul is saying, but I also see some wiggle room in RFC 3967, Section 1.1: - When a reference to an example is made, such a reference need not be normative. For example, text such as "an algorithm such as the one specified in [RFCxxxx] would be acceptable" indicates an informative reference, since that cited algorithm is just one of several possible algorithms that could be used. I am also somewhat concerned that trying to get the downrefs into the registry is more likely to run into trouble (Sec 3) This procedure should not be used if the proper step is to move the document to which the reference is being made into the appropriate category. It is not intended as an easy way out of normal process. Rather, the procedure is intended for dealing with specific cases where putting particular documents into the required category is problematic and unlikely ever to happen. Anyway, if we decide to proceed the PR is fine modulo my comment below. > @@ -1133,8 +1133,8 @@ limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so. Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary. -Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other -responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}). +Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{!RFC3168}}), but other This section doesn't have normative language, so I don't see a need for these references to be normative. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4179#pullrequestreview-502402830 ----==_mimepart_5f7b85781be0a_552319f058238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke requested changes on this pull request.

I see what @gloinul is saying, but I also see some wiggle room in RFC 3967, Section 1.1:

  • When a reference to an example is made, such a reference need not
    be normative. For example, text such as "an algorithm such as the
    one specified in [RFCxxxx] would be acceptable" indicates an
    informative reference, since that cited algorithm is just one of
    several possible algorithms that could be used.

I am also somewhat concerned that trying to get the downrefs into the registry is more likely to run into trouble (Sec 3)

This procedure should not be used if the proper step is to move the
document to which the reference is being made into the appropriate
category. It is not intended as an easy way out of normal process.
Rather, the procedure is intended for dealing with specific cases
where putting particular documents into the required category is
problematic and unlikely ever to happen.

Anyway, if we decide to proceed the PR is fine modulo my comment below.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1133,8 +1133,8 @@ limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so.
 
 Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Congestion controllers
 respond to reports of ECN-CE by reducing their rate, but the response may vary.
-Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{?RFC3168}}), but other
-responses can be specified, such as ({{?RFC8511}}) or ({{?RFC8311}}).
+Markings can be treated as equivalent to loss ({{!RFC3168}}), but other

This section doesn't have normative language, so I don't see a need for these references to be normative.

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----==_mimepart_5f7b85781be0a_552319f058238-- From nobody Mon Oct 5 16:51:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B563A136E for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yjuPEwyh8xa for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D9A73A136D for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC3E56074E for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601941903; bh=qFL6+lJR7y4Gxi1nFE0ESHVfthKTWAf2M/HvbcQtXAM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FYaqAmY8pIFg3PWX/b+BsECGitMr08rlCpyC/+z8+YvlhFCwgp8pt4kYtzcFK7IJM KDLDrYx2g4Wp6CcXICZg9xCeassyDe5qVsyhzv2zdu0UCEkLqOMce5SNINQ+GOPXX/ rmWcsEVZ8uQ+WFGUxJKQrNruIZWjssXuQ9WmU1OU= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 16:51:43 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7bb18f4c6f2_7e0219f01286dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 23:51:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7bb18f4c6f2_7e0219f01286dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Moving discussion from the PR to the issue. - @ianswett says: I'm not the expert on what should be normative, but these were intentionally marked as informative references since they're all TCP specific RFCs. The pipeACK reference in particular seems like an odd one. If this is what the chairs want, then I'm ok with it as an editor, but these choices were intentional. - @martinduke says: I see what @gloinul is saying, but I also see some wiggle room in RFC 3967, Section 1.1: When a reference to an example is made, such a reference need not be normative. For example, text such as "an algorithm such as the one specified in [RFCxxxx] would be acceptable" indicates an informative reference, since that cited algorithm is just one of several possible algorithms that could be used. I am also somewhat concerned that trying to get the downrefs into the registry is more likely to run into trouble (Sec 3) This procedure should not be used if the proper step is to move the document to which the reference is being made into the appropriate category. It is not intended as an easy way out of normal process. Rather, the procedure is intended for dealing with specific cases where putting particular documents into the required category is problematic and unlikely ever to happen. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-703948760 ----==_mimepart_5f7bb18f4c6f2_7e0219f01286dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Moving discussion from the PR to the issue.

I'm not the expert on what should be normative, but these were intentionally marked as informative references since they're all TCP specific RFCs. The pipeACK reference in particular seems like an odd one.

If this is what the chairs want, then I'm ok with it as an editor, but these choices were intentional.

I see what @gloinul is saying, but I also see some wiggle room in RFC 3967, Section 1.1:

When a reference to an example is made, such a reference need not
be normative. For example, text such as "an algorithm such as the
one specified in [RFCxxxx] would be acceptable" indicates an
informative reference, since that cited algorithm is just one of
several possible algorithms that could be used.
I am also somewhat concerned that trying to get the downrefs into the registry is more likely to run into trouble (Sec 3)

This procedure should not be used if the proper step is to move the
document to which the reference is being made into the appropriate
category. It is not intended as an easy way out of normal process.
Rather, the procedure is intended for dealing with specific cases
where putting particular documents into the required category is
problematic and unlikely ever to happen.

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----==_mimepart_5f7bb18f4c6f2_7e0219f01286dc-- From nobody Mon Oct 5 16:54:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C0E3A13BA for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jVKC6wBphdJJ for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC1C93A13B7 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52AB900DBB for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 16:54:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601942065; bh=b6jSAiYFYOwJxQS6VzyFI8SxI64LWRWuD5fduMke6AA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ai8sfxIk6Pw7mWAQsKuai+wS0Swp+CG4NbMjhypbooXKXFtSHjuVxAtGg63LC4x3A zmF9SKEj25w6fLD382Eo2qbCUKIvrMzcpbCv7Zh/P5bR+fUtxj+L7eP0Crp40mGpEK Ob4L7xEhmRErTAkv1RoXqU0itpm++JLj++1NI8Tw= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 16:54:25 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7bb231c43f3_78f719f010686c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 23:54:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7bb231c43f3_78f719f010686c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for digging up the relevant text, @martinduke. Based on that text from RFC 3967, it doesn't seem like we _need_ to make these references normative. I agree that the pipeACK reference is odd, but I think that's probably because of the use of MAY there. I'm happy to replace the MAY with a can -- it is meant to present an option, not a permission -- and make that reference informative as well. @gloinul : thoughts? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-703949424 ----==_mimepart_5f7bb231c43f3_78f719f010686c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for digging up the relevant text, @martinduke. Based on that text from RFC 3967, it doesn't seem like we need to make these references normative.

I agree that the pipeACK reference is odd, but I think that's probably because of the use of MAY there. I'm happy to replace the MAY with a can -- it is meant to present an option, not a permission -- and make that reference informative as well.

@gloinul : thoughts?

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I don't think that any of these need to be made normative either. Each of these is exemplary only.

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Client sends: * datagram (1200 bytes), carrying Initial (Hello). * step 2. In response, the server sends: * datagram (1200 bytes), carrying Initial (Hello) and a Handshake packe= t that contains the first half of handshake-level TLS messages (i.e. Encr= yptedExtensions, Certificate, CertificateVerify, Finished). * datagram (500 bytes), carrying Initial (PING) and a Handshake packet = that contains the latter half of the handshake-level TLS messages. The first datagram gets lost, the second datagram reaches the client. * step 3. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends: * datagram (tiny), carrying Initial (ACK). * step 4. When the server receives the packet, it learns the RTT, and arm= s the time-based loss detection timer. In a fraction of RTT, that timer f= ires, and the server sends what have been sent in step 2. The first of the two datagrams sent in step 4 gets lost, the second one r= eaches the client. * step 5. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends an= ACK, as it did in step 3. As we can see, we have an infinite loop that cannot make progress. This example might sound a little strange, as the server arms the time-ba= sed loss detection timer for Handshake packets when receiving an ACK for = the Initial packet. Though I would point out that the specification is la= x on how an endpoint might use an Initial ACK to drive loss recovery of o= ther packet number spaces; see [the third paragraph of section 6.2.3 of t= he recovery draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recover= y.html#section-6.2.3-3). We might pretend that the MAY in [the second paragraph of section 6.2.3](= https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-6.2.= 3-2) restricts alternative loss signals (i.e. duplicate CRYPTO frames, re= ceipt of Handshake packets before obtaining Handshake keys) from being ap= plied to anything other than Initial PN space. But even in that case, I t= hink we still have a failure mode. If the size of ServerHello is slightly= above the MTU, if the server is designed to embed ACK in the first Initi= al packet for each send event, and if the client skips packet numbers upo= n observing possible loss, the size of the server-sent ACK frame increase= s two for every Initial packet that the client sends. This means that for= each round-trip, the space that can be used for sending CRYPTO data will= decrease by 2 bytes for the first Initial packets that the server sends = in each iteration. These 2 bytes will be sent as tiny packets, and they w= ill reach the client, while the full-size packet gets consistently droppe= d. In other words, the failure mode in this case is that there would be a= ping-pong between the endpoints, and only 2 bytes of data can be exchang= ed per each round-trip. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Consider the following scenario, assuming that the MTU from the client= to the server is 1200 bytes, and the MTU from the server to client is 10= 00 bytes.

  • step 1. Client sends:
    • datagram (1200 bytes), carrying Initial (Hello).
  • step 2. In response, the server sends:
    • datagram (1200 bytes), carrying Initial (Hello) and a Handshake packe= t that contains the first half of handshake-level TLS messages (i.e. Encr= yptedExtensions, Certificate, CertificateVerify, Finished).
    • datagram (500 bytes), carrying Initial (PING) and a Handshake packet = that contains the latter half of the handshake-level TLS messages.

The first datagram gets lost, the second datagram reaches the client.<= /p>

  • step 3. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends:=
    • datagram (tiny), carrying Initial (ACK).
  • step 4. When the server receives the packet, it learns the RTT, and a= rms the time-based loss detection timer. In a fraction of RTT, that timer= fires, and the server sends what have been sent in step 2.

The first of the two datagrams sent in step 4 gets lost, the second on= e reaches the client.

  • step 5. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends = an ACK, as it did in step 3.

As we can see, we have an infinite loop that cannot make progress.

=

This example might sound a little strange, as the server arms the time= -based loss detection timer for Handshake packets when receiving an ACK f= or the Initial packet. Though I would point out that the specification is= lax on how an endpoint might use an Initial ACK to drive loss recovery o= f other packet number spaces; see the th= ird paragraph of section 6.2.3 of the recovery draft.

We might pretend that the MAY in the = second paragraph of section 6.2.3 restricts alternative loss signals = (i.e. duplicate CRYPTO frames, receipt of Handshake packets before obtain= ing Handshake keys) from being applied to anything other than Initial PN = space. But even in that case, I think we still have a failure mode. If th= e size of ServerHello is slightly above the MTU, if the server is designe= d to embed ACK in the first Initial packet for each send event, and if th= e client skips packet numbers upon observing possible loss, the size of t= he server-sent ACK frame increases two for every Initial packet that the = client sends. This means that for each round-trip, the space that can be = used for sending CRYPTO data will decrease by 2 bytes for the first Initi= al packets that the server sends in each iteration. These 2 bytes will be= sent as tiny packets, and they will reach the client, while the full-siz= e packet gets consistently dropped. In other words, the failure mode in t= his case is that there would be a ping-pong between the endpoints, and on= ly 2 bytes of data can be exchanged per each round-trip.

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= ----==_mimepart_5f7bfc13158b6_66ee19f0329724-- From nobody Mon Oct 5 22:14:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81F93A1121 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 22:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PzzZOEvhJ8-T for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 22:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7FB03A0EAA for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 22:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d1d6e31.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7955801F2 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2020 22:14:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601961264; bh=TpRFUn/V6+3A9d5nfEhTpxJUY5tX8oMsK+DEBrj6vgM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GZoCBAYbLy5nbwozL2ywBbQMkZP5W2bM52KeGKlojqDqZmnhZKI9Kp6W0X+lrZ2ge cDlZ0ti7vc2WgP272qnUy1DBdAWu8r+lEron5k7ufEEAlLdlegMqQLOJ4vrkRbbG9D rhU5xEA2QDbwDYeQ8T27Scqhd8gwn5y+uSKxsyLQ= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 22:14:24 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7bfd3088790_43e119f0531635"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 05:14:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7bfd3088790_43e119f0531635 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding possible solution, I think the most straightforward fix would be to requires servers to always send full-sized datagrams, until the path is validated. We can be limit that requirements to endpoints that use something other than ACK or time threshold for retransmission. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-704031814 ----==_mimepart_5f7bfd3088790_43e119f0531635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Regarding possible solution, I think the most straightforward fix would be to requires servers to always send full-sized datagrams, until the path is validated. We can be limit that requirements to endpoints that use something other than ACK or time threshold for retransmission.

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step 3. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends:
datagram (tiny), carrying Initial (ACK).

Minor correction here: the client will send a 1200 byte Initial packet. Though this doesn't stop the problem from persisting.

I think that the proposed remedy is out of proportion to the problem. This is not a situation that we would expect to be common (this is an IPv4 only path, for starters). Do you have evidence of a path with an asymmetric, sub-1200 byte MTU?

You could say that this is a problem if the initial state is 1400/1200 path MTU and the first Initial from the client is 1400, but the ACK is 1200. But then endpoints are allowed to send less than 1400, so the correct response there is "don't do that". It's just that we have a minimum packet size of 1200, so the correct reaction is "don't do QUIC" on that path. The problem being that you don't necessarily get to that point easily.

(I'm not following the 2 bytes per round trip thing fully, but it seems like it's 2 useless bytes. If I'm write, you assume that the server doesn't trim its ACK frames. Ours will. Even without ACK from the client, it will trim before the size of the ACK increases by another byte: after 32 round trips when the largest acknowledged reaches 64. But the client is sending ACK frames, so the server can stop sending ACK ranges. So we likely stop making progress well before the two bytes per round trip get anywhere. This is probably a distraction from the main topic though...)

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I think that the handshake timeout is a common response that ties up a bunch of these problems neatly.

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The problem here is that the endpoints would exchange packets rapidly until the handshake times out. As an example, if the handshake timeout is 10 seconds and the RTT is 10ms, a server might transmit 1700 datagrams (10 seconds / 10 ms * 2 datagrams * 9/8; where 9/8 is the loss recovery threshold). @martinthomson: >> step 3. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends: >> datagram (tiny), carrying Initial (ACK). > > Minor correction here: the client will send a 1200 byte Initial packet. Though this doesn't stop the problem from persisting. Thank you for the correction. > I think that the proposed remedy is out of proportion to the problem. This is not a situation that we would expect to be common (this is an IPv4 only path, for starters). Do you have evidence of a path with an asymmetric, sub-1200 byte MTU? This is a fair point; I'll see if I can get some information. > (I'm not following the 2 bytes per round trip thing fully, but it seems like it's 2 useless bytes. If I'm write, you assume that the server doesn't trim its ACK frames. Ours will. Even without ACK from the client, it will trim before the size of the ACK increases by another byte: after 32 round trips when the largest acknowledged reaches 64. But the client is sending ACK frames, so the server can stop sending ACK ranges. So we likely stop making progress well before the two bytes per round trip get anywhere. This is probably a distraction from the main topic though...) (The server's ACK never reaches the client, as it is always coalesced with the CRYPTO frame. Therefore, a client cannot ACK the ACK. Eventually, the server will fail to build the ACK frame as the number of gaps become too large, but until then, there would be a ping-pong. But if we think that the behavior explained in the main topic is conformant to the specification, this is just a distraction as you point out.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Handshake timeout is the last resort. The problem here is that the endpoints would exchange packets rapidly until the handshake times out. As an example, if the handshake timeout is 10 seconds and the RTT is 10ms, a server might transmit 1700 datagrams (10 seconds / 10 ms * 2 datagrams * 9/8; where 9/8 is the loss recovery threshold).

@martinthomson:

step 3. In response to the datagram being received, the client sends:
datagram (tiny), carrying Initial (ACK).

Minor correction here: the client will send a 1200 byte Initial packet. Though this doesn't stop the problem from persisting.

Thank you for the correction.

I think that the proposed remedy is out of proportion to the problem. This is not a situation that we would expect to be common (this is an IPv4 only path, for starters). Do you have evidence of a path with an asymmetric, sub-1200 byte MTU?

This is a fair point; I'll see if I can get some information.

(I'm not following the 2 bytes per round trip thing fully, but it seems like it's 2 useless bytes. If I'm write, you assume that the server doesn't trim its ACK frames. Ours will. Even without ACK from the client, it will trim before the size of the ACK increases by another byte: after 32 round trips when the largest acknowledged reaches 64. But the client is sending ACK frames, so the server can stop sending ACK ranges. So we likely stop making progress well before the two bytes per round trip get anywhere. This is probably a distraction from the main topic though...)

(The server's ACK never reaches the client, as it is always coalesced with the CRYPTO frame. Therefore, a client cannot ACK the ACK. Eventually, the server will fail to build the ACK frame as the number of gaps become too large, but until then, there would be a ping-pong. But if we think that the behavior explained in the main topic is conformant to the specification, this is just a distraction as you point out.)

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@martinthomson: We sadly have evidence of path MTU being set (for some ASes) to < 1200 bytes. It's a small enough fraction and this ought to be fixed, but it exists. Basically we should end up not doing QUIC under these conditions.

The core of the problem is that the failure mode here is a slow death. This handshake is ultimately going to fail, but potentially after a lot of wasted packets, depending on implementation details. @kazuho's proposed fix is to drive this partial failure to deliver packets to complete failure, which is really what ought to happen.

The proposed solution has the server effectively doing PMTU validation during the first RTT along with path validation by forcing all packets to be max size, ensuring that there are no small packets don't reach the client. Commonly, this should end up only padding the last packet in the first flight from the server, and if you're not careful, the packet carrying the ACK of the client's Initial.

I see this as an optimization of a failure case that exists but is uncommon. Some text that draws caution to this point in the PMTU section and suggests what a server can do might be useful.

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----==_mimepart_5f7c07761752_4b0b19f025542b-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 02:55:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BA43A0E6B for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 02:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wYbmbXMKKv4M for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 02:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 212CF3A0E6E for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 02:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A115E042F for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 02:55:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601978102; bh=5a7QHzNICZwCod9jYh3dHuD0fY24vGfRUj9hmoac194=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GLwv549lnDcEGP/ZgsyPTdlJDRqftGM58fV4l3X8tZmUFKzi98O0DvvTfTQJl5+9e yi96bxxpz08Fe74AzQqzhRwWP1zLSKQ8SMIC87oZ8V4fWFiClYV/HbRYVPHa9Lj28t zma1vOr0au+7zEAdjqbbMiuhUTXf6EJ0lFC9H/ww= Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 02:55:02 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7c3ef61a142_55f119f0175818"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 09:55:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7c3ef61a142_55f119f0175818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think at last RFC3168 should be referenced normatively somewhere (probably section 7.1 though) because you need to know what the ECN bits are in order to do anything with it. I guess because of section 7.1. RFC8311 should also be a normative reference. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-704161480 ----==_mimepart_5f7c3ef61a142_55f119f0175818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think at last RFC3168 should be referenced normatively somewhere (probably section 7.1 though) because you need to know what the ECN bits are in order to do anything with it. I guess because of section 7.1. RFC8311 should also be a normative reference.

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Thanks, @martinthomson! I checked the derivations and produced the same results.

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----==_mimepart_5f7c6eee43921_98319b4874ba-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 07:10:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C413A09D1 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 07:10:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78B7RZOzNZbN for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 772D83A09CE for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 07:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b2150d3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F098560E94 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 07:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1601993426; bh=7De5cVAOWji5qnorUzSis+5e+1Gr72jpjUOt+YGseu4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d8EhRzfDossQoOQajYVAz1gr9Fd50Ac7ZYbBTNZsjYY+Q9iqdkw96bBlV7IvssOev L7HasAwZXDdNqH6OiIa46CEzXMd0VJY7iTci+GnFi+UPzNhtPV6zZIhYpqv0hTvXBF YEToRyNdcGNtkK2u52gJ084JF5Ai83uofTNpFJsM= Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 07:10:26 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7c7ad27560f_2f519f0199190"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:10:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7c7ad27560f_2f519f0199190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mirjak RFC3168 is already a normative reference in the transport doc, which in my view is appropriate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-704295324 ----==_mimepart_5f7c7ad27560f_2f519f0199190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mirjak RFC3168 is already a normative reference in the transport doc, which in my view is appropriate.

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Was wondering about this as well given the transport doc is of course a normative reference of this doc. However, as this doc uses terms like CE also directly itself I think the right practice is to also have it as a normative reference here, and as you have to read it no matter what, it definitely shouldn't hurt.

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FWIW, Google's implementation avoids this problem by adding padding to ensure that all UDP datagrams containing Initial packets that we generate are at least 1200 bytes long - on both client and server. I would personally be in favor of making that a MUST in the spec, since verifying the MTU during the handshake is one of the important advantages of QUIC over TCP. If we do not solve this issue normatively, then users will be burdened with a noticeable timeout when they access servers that don't do this on networks with low server-to-client MTUs, which exist.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f7cb397e2af6_46019b47639-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 14:01:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89293A14DD for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6Dw_C8w2eY5 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E43DA3A14D8 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-0eea13f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.26]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0FE520082 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602018097; bh=ViPD62xJ1Q8umA0xJj85Gs3SUYlHg3MuhlgRSgRsLdM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OnQNOxfxJSbA9nfXPdzFEtCZjRClVnrLqMAhMA0FNWpG8AalyGj0bEXbaVl4h3err s1feS4NFTAxIdIAn1HsObmTtSvxsTMpz6hwXoqNwOX/BNHx8G67lPzDO7KdX9EiWtd 6f4zuMc1QFJfLrzWQ+gJ89PwRnNtw2gdiypaV9P8= Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:01:37 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7cdb31b0d_80119f010633"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 21:01:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7cdb31b0d_80119f010633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Section 7.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-7.1) talks about ECN-CE markings, but really all of Section 7 talks about a response to an increase in ECN-CE count by the peer, which is defined in the transport doc. This does point to a small editorial issue. The text in Section 4.1 says: ``` This document specifies an endpoint's response when its peer receives packets with the ECN-CE codepoint. ``` This really should be: ``` This document specifies an endpoint's response when the peer-reported ECN-CE count increases. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-704550273 ----==_mimepart_5f7cdb31b0d_80119f010633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 7.1 talks about ECN-CE markings, but really all of Section 7 talks about a response to an increase in ECN-CE count by the peer, which is defined in the transport doc. This does point to a small editorial issue. The text in Section 4.1 says:

This document specifies an endpoint's response when its peer receives packets with the ECN-CE codepoint.

This really should be:

This document specifies an endpoint's response when the peer-reported ECN-CE count increases.

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Good point on the editorial issue.

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----==_mimepart_5f7cdbd839146_45a419f0208132-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 14:09:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14143A14E7 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id apu_OQAZPIoW for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 929663A14E6 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-22f6f83.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D8855840D4E for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:09:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602018571; bh=yOaGyh386kLy1fV11CafBnsIRi5EoTYA2o8nIVXOzWo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EyNwBaOE8vwimcNsMfTcH6rLzU2SVjRk/sNfjA5fFV+Ri6JuFRfJCGR4Z0FMXRAes 50AWqXpLTiJFyx4JtbOyxBa93YpmTgN6YIVtz16ifLtRhTTt62HVXEMsnoioGu/8n+ wFLCr7INNObNrMe4jiAAYxoEKiMxbvT3UA/vIva8= Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:09:31 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7cdd0bd4fee_219419b498082"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 21:09:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7cdd0bd4fee_219419b498082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With that change, the only thing we're left with is [Section 8.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#name-misreporting-ecn-markings). This does require an understanding of ECN, and it has RFC 2119 keywords, but it's really an optional mechanism that is suggested. We could remove the RFC 2119 words there, since they're really unnecessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-704554030 ----==_mimepart_5f7cdd0bd4fee_219419b498082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

With that change, the only thing we're left with is Section 8.3. This does require an understanding of ECN, and it has RFC 2119 keywords, but it's really an optional mechanism that is suggested. We could remove the RFC 2119 words there, since they're really unnecessary.

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FWIW, I think there's another failure mode that might be more disastrous.

What if the client has a TLS session ticket, and resumption succeeds? In that case, the server's first flights carrying Initial and Handshake packets might not be a full-sized datagram. The first full-sized datagrams can be 1-RTT packets.

I think that means that if a client tries to resume a QUIC connection by using a TLS session ticket from a address for which the return path has a MTU less than 1200 bytes, we might see the connection being stuck. IIUC, this would happen for clients doing happy eyeball too, as the handshake for HTTP/3 will complete before HTTP/2.

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FWIW, Google's implementation avoids this problem by adding padding to ensure that all UDP datagrams containing Initial packets that we generate are at least 1200 bytes long - on both client and server.

We do this too. This ensures clients on weird networks simply fallback to TCP.

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----==_mimepart_5f7cf3ead919c_5a19b41326f5-- From nobody Tue Oct 6 17:29:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8210A3A155F for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QktLqds4R_di for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 082203A1563 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FD76006BB for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602030568; bh=br8oRXDT9cQ/dnWeESgIzfbXvi09KctlRDdf8L2rXrI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uN7NdRMDtTdoqyG7HQwcHYJKFAdE2qTCLyBij5aaSSoae5iYNQjP6Y9nOOu1v5AMg D+GhUcSJnoYqr5yP4OmEG3h/P2LBooAJrHGspJH+rDWCqqgYtt2ZG16tD8+UzpvTvf Y4vac9UvTuX3HGENoYLzaMDX0h+PlEVYBzcUZ5xc= Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 17:29:28 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update AEAD limits for larger packets (#4175) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7d0be8b3eec_76fa19f0136138"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 00:29:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7d0be8b3eec_76fa19f0136138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -2404,37 +2421,33 @@ no more than: (2l * q)^2 / 2^n ~~~ -For a target advantage of 2^-57, this results in the relation: - -~~~ -q <= 2^24.5 -~~~ - -That is, endpoints cannot protect more than 2^23 packets with the same set of -keys without causing an attacker to gain a larger advantage than the target of -2^-57. Note however that the integrity limits further constrain this value. +The integrity limit in Theorem 1 in {{?CCM-ANALYSIS}} provides an attacker a +strictly higher advantage for the same number of messages. As the targets I'm trying to say that the "value of the goal" is the same. I think that this is correct. I think that you might say "target advantages for A and B", but I think that "advantages" means something else and so I avoided the plural. Maybe instead "As the target for both the confidentiality advantage and integrity advantage is the same, ..." ? My grammar skillz aren't up to this, clearly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4175#discussion_r500669756 ----==_mimepart_5f7d0be8b3eec_76fa19f0136138 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -2404,37 +2421,33 @@ no more than:
 (2l * q)^2 / 2^n
 ~~~
 
-For a target advantage of 2^-57, this results in the relation:
-
-~~~
-q <= 2^24.5
-~~~
-
-That is, endpoints cannot protect more than 2^23 packets with the same set of
-keys without causing an attacker to gain a larger advantage than the target of
-2^-57.  Note however that the integrity limits further constrain this value.
+The integrity limit in Theorem 1 in {{?CCM-ANALYSIS}} provides an attacker a
+strictly higher advantage for the same number of messages. As the targets

I'm trying to say that the "value of the goal" is the same. I think that this is correct.

I think that you might say "target advantages for A and B", but I think that "advantages" means something else and so I avoided the plural.

Maybe instead "As the target for both the confidentiality advantage and integrity advantage is the same, ..." ?

My grammar skillz aren't up to this, clearly.

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This discussion suggests two safeguards:

  1. Clients should have a handshake timer that causes them to abandon a connection that has not reached the "confirmed" state. Clients should abandon a connection at this time even if it has made progress toward that goal. If they do not, any hole in the specification or implementation that allows for liminal states will result in that state being persistent.

  2. Servers should ensure that all packets they send are at least 1200 bytes until address validation is complete. This will ensure that the path supports the minimum MTU that QUIC requires. Other mechanisms can then kick in to ensure that QUIC isn't used on that path.

Both of these can be enacted separately in terms of pull requests on the specification. I'm reluctant - at this stage - to make these carry normative force in the sense that we use the M-word, but both recommendations seem likely to be adopted.

I will also point out that this is an IPv4-specific problem unless we allow for unbounded use of IP header extensions.

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@martinthomson Regarding the two safeguards, I am in favor of having the latter, but I am not sure if we need the former. The former does not prevent a failure mode that I pointed out in #4183 (comment), that prevents the connection from making progress after the handshake is complete.

So I think just having the latter is fine. Regarding how strong the safeguard should be, I think my preference goes to using a SHOULD. While I think every server should be sending full-size packets until the path is validated, I am not sure if there's any benefit in allowing the client to verify that the server is doing that. At the same time, there is no reason to prohibit the server that thinks it knows the path MTU from sending smaller packets.

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I agree with @kazuho. We've previously decided we aren't really in the business of suggesting "higher level" behaviors like this. If we did we should probably also codify things like TCP fallbacks. Instead we trust people will do those on their own. I think a "handshake timeout" falls in a similar bucket of an obvious idea people will implement in practice (and there are obvious analogs in the TCP world in the form of connection timeouts, which may or may not include TLS).

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My point is that RFC3168 should be normative because not matter what you need to understand what an ECN-CE mark is and that is defined/specified in RFC3168.

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Mirja has a point, see https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/normative-informative-references/

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Normative references specify documents that must be read to understand or implement the technology in the new RFC, or whose technology must be present for the technology in the new RFC to work.

-transport is a normative reference. So 3168 is already (transitively) a normative reference. The question is whether this specific text requires anything from 3168 to understand. I don't see that it does, especially given the suggested change, which talks about a concept defined in -transport, not 3168.

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@ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

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----==_mimepart_5f7db1bc2ce78_5719b488687-- From nobody Wed Oct 7 10:44:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2531A3A0CF2 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 10:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIQT97UOvtSx for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 10:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C103A0CEC for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-40f7cf7.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.112.13]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1DEE1520EC1 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602092681; bh=hEs+ou7pdpxqEEqRCgLqZOr7AZRLe1mMVso5ApIMC/I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DcBjmet9X3UB/IKlGee0jMulxZfCHCqmhlxZW2MQ5bkgt21mNjszQChjHNBhplBzL mxZlHWOmgBaMa8VhVwJAphm2ssGnrHwSFYeo+OHgu01+AlIXsV+9kLpvXdF0mKtB2v wB1UM0cDGmqixTx7Rmj/QQ+2DqnNHqss0NfoSVhY= Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 10:44:41 -0700 From: Luca Niccolini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix contributor last name (#4184) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7dfe8919b64_5f19b4154795"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: lnicco X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:44:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7dfe8919b64_5f19b4154795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am extremely grateful for appearing in this list! just a minor fix You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4184 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix contributor last name -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4184.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4184.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4184 ----==_mimepart_5f7dfe8919b64_5f19b4154795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am extremely grateful for appearing in this list!
just a minor fix

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Addresses #4178.

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  • Fix external references
  • ECN counts, not ECN

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1122,10 +1122,10 @@ A receiver can misreport ECN markings to alter the congestion response of a
 sender.  Suppressing reports of ECN-CE markings could cause a sender to
 increase their send rate.  This increase could result in congestion and loss.
 
-A sender MAY attempt to detect suppression of reports by marking occasional
-packets that they send with ECN-CE.  If a packet sent with ECN-CE is not
+A sender can detect suppression of reports by marking occasional packets that it

Most, if not all of this whole section seems like it should be in transport, since it discusses disabling ECN?

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However, that list does include ABNF and TLS Presentation Language, which raises the question of whether it applies to our bespoke packet layout language.

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----==_mimepart_5f7e19d87524_3819b4182435-- From nobody Wed Oct 7 12:52:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC0B3A0AF6 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZUomgWzsg1nq for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3965E3A09E4 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7819a69.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.102.16]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1A1F060006E for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:52:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602100354; bh=NgBHJefZXc7FQmfgJIQFebNhee2j2v11ZOStMsftQiQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iwL+7y8PTGHilsxfhvKxuxdqYo209C24RjOg5A70Et1ISEMpk6tUaZu+PP4CjX3sI Ecm3Y9QCYruTUdzxgedO8EKFnHLsaiVn7FbwiXZgk/HjnIcyr6cA1vMTYw0rhhzf01 CBleA3q+vvj9xeO5flIyHexaw+fMBKLkvep+M67g= Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 12:52:34 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] update refs for -12 of http core drafts (#4182) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7e1c8216d7a_5619b496637"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 19:52:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7e1c8216d7a_5619b496637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request. Thanks for doing this scrub, Julian. A few things here where I think there might be a more appropriate reference. > @@ -306,7 +306,7 @@ HTTP relies on the notion of an authoritative response: a response that has been determined to be the most appropriate response for that request given the state of the target resource at the time of response message origination by (or at the direction of) the origin server identified within the target URI. Locating an -authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 6.4 of +authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 6.1.3 of ```suggestion authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 4.3 of ``` > @@ -407,7 +407,7 @@ subjectAltName field of the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}. For a host that is an IP address, the client MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field of the certificate. If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST NOT consider the server -authoritative for origins containing that hostname or address. See Section 6.4 +authoritative for origins containing that hostname or address. See Section 6.1.3 ```suggestion authoritative for origins containing that hostname or address. See Section 4.3 ``` > @@ -459,8 +459,8 @@ An HTTP message (request or response) consists of: 3. optionally, the trailer field section, if present, sent as a single HEADERS frame. -Header and trailer field sections are described in Section 5 of {{!SEMANTICS}}; -the payload body is described in Section 7.3.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}}. +Header and trailer field sections are described in Section 5.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}; Section 5.4 is about headers only, not trailers. This may need to explicitly reference 5.4 and 5.6 to get the equivalent context. > @@ -729,7 +729,7 @@ A request or response that includes a payload body can include a Content-Length header field. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1773,7 +1773,7 @@ attack on a plaintext protocol.
 ## Intermediary Encapsulation Attacks
 
 The HTTP/3 field encoding allows the expression of names that are not valid
-field names in the syntax used by HTTP (Section 5.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}}). Requests
+field names in the syntax used by HTTP (Section 5.4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}}). Requests

This paragraph needs to be rewrapped.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1122,10 +1122,10 @@ A receiver can misreport ECN markings to alter the congestion response of a
 sender.  Suppressing reports of ECN-CE markings could cause a sender to
 increase their send rate.  This increase could result in congestion and loss.
 
-A sender MAY attempt to detect suppression of reports by marking occasional
-packets that they send with ECN-CE.  If a packet sent with ECN-CE is not
+A sender can detect suppression of reports by marking occasional packets that it

The attack is on the congestion controller, so it's fine to have it here I think.

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So we don't need to annotate any ABNF or TLS Presentation language thi= s way. It's automatically licensed as code.

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For the pseudocode, explicitly licensing it under the code license wou= ld be good. Using the annotations would not be. There has to be a bette= r way. Perhaps we could use words. Or, we could ask for a change to the= XML format so that any block of preformatted text could be annotated wit= h a code license. I'm sure that would be popular.

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@MikeBishop, we could ask the trust to add the packet layou= ts to their list, but it is explicitly and deliberately not code:

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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I think that this is the most appropriate response.

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The license might provide some extra protection, but do we think the p= seudo code needs this? @martinthomson: Can you say more a= bout why you think explicitly licensing the pseudo code is good?

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The license terms for text aren't that great. The code license is intended to allow for extraction and modification in ways that the text does not. As the pseudocode has already been extracted and modified (and deployed based on that), we should probably ensure that the more liberal license formally applies.

So yes, let's just add text saying "the pseudocode in this document is licensed as a "Code Component", see [blah]."

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----==_mimepart_5f7e59faa7cca_5719b41180c3-- From nobody Wed Oct 7 17:55:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF86F3A00E0 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.24 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.24 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JrBO-jYEnbKZ for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E49313A0855 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d588c94.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.18]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 865415E0031 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602118484; bh=2xa4aZ/vLu1RmNH7KqgX6rJ3/8hQv2vojQjvuwPGpZk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lL6uzQgThGmcEZLk2Mwp4TuLhmGdU6c0pmSJIBnZw5X5T6t7R/KsdM6ehb7CQ3uYD 3jCMtWI+aYf+57jb2V5Q3sx6I/Jv/+sAZ6bT+v96EF/A7X9HKbMt/3e/7Vn7Ut6pd7 Du+6qUXxKvWjCplH8yl57kjayz9DKPdA1a0bzjnQ= Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:54:44 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Use of and tags (#4177) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7e635482603_4919b493440"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 00:55:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7e635482603_4919b493440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We'll need to include the BSD boilerplate, right? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4177#issuecomment-705269028 ----==_mimepart_5f7e635482603_4919b493440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We'll need to include the BSD boilerplate, right?

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----==_mimepart_5f7e635482603_4919b493440-- From nobody Wed Oct 7 17:57:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5849E3A0112 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJoQO2-RpSyr for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04BC93A084D for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-9b81986.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.122.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9E60EE0D77 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:56:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602118592; bh=ll2bs9CqYNK49rQ0vXFvVq4gvE4P0b/FuN8aY364c0o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kHcBnlDfiXAbwrfci+UJtMIR2o+K84WJcgQf90lVvWUNM8jN2ZZ8iE/09kCkxOzBC Pb0akBe2KRihEUabTHESibuEf+eZJqFtbGNg0+iOrjioRvT00iIZGOd/OJmnqmLEWV dLPphfA73zbv86baMzC8bLj5cTKtIv5I6ofUWRME= Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 17:56:32 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Congestion control actions are on ECN-CE counts, not on ECN-CE markings (#4185) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7e63c09b4ea_3b19b4370c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 00:57:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7e63c09b4ea_3b19b4370c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #4185 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4185#event-3853055940 ----==_mimepart_5f7e63c09b4ea_3b19b4370c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Merged #4185 into master.

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Since future QUIC versions might have different CID length requirements for Initial packets (or however that packet type will be called in that version), we already require servers to be able to send Version Negotiation packets with CIDs longer than 20 bytes (which is the maximum length that v1 allows).

We need to clarify that this also applies to the minimum CID length, which is 8 byte for the DCID in v1. A future version of QUIC might relax this limit, so a server also needs to generate a VN packet if it receives a packet with an unknown version and a shorter DCID, otherwise it won't be possible to roll out such a QUIC version.

This is coming out of a Slack discussion with @DavidSchinazi and @nibanks, as well as recent tests on the interop runner. It turns out that 2 server implementations on the interop runner didn't get this right, and at least one server implementation that's not on the interop runner, but is running QUIC in production.

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Fixes #4186.

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Commit Summary

  • add text about CID lengths to the invariants
  • clarify that future QUIC versions might have different CID length requirements

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
-As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1
-limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer
-than 20 bytes.
+Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of
+connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not

@martinthomson Isn't the second sentence (i.e., "Other versions might allow connection IDs to be longer.") excessive? The next sentence covers that, I think.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
-As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1
-limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer
-than 20 bytes.
+Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of
+connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not
+be required to have a minimum lengths, and might be longer than 20 bytes.  A
+server therefore MUST respond with a Version Negotiation packets for all
+lengths of connection IDs allowed by the layout defined here.

I'm not sure if "MUST send" is the correct phrase here. This would be a contradiction to what we already have in section 5.2.2, states, quote: if a server receives a packet that indicates an unsupported version but is large enough to initiate a new connection for any supported version, the server SHOULD send a Version Negotiation packet as described in Section 6.1.

I think what we need to say here is that the CID length rules do not apply to other protocol versions, and no more.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
-As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1
-limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer
-than 20 bytes.
+Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of
+connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not
+be required to have a minimum lengths, and might be longer than 20 bytes.  A
+server therefore MUST respond with a Version Negotiation packets for all
+lengths of connection IDs allowed by the layout defined here.

PS. Therefore I think that this paragraph can be as simple as something like: Note that version-specific rules for QUIC packets (e.g., limits on connection ID lengths) SHOULD NOT influence the decision of whether or not to send Version Negotiation packets, because they might change between the versions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
-As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1
-limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer
-than 20 bytes.
+Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of
+connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not
+be required to have a minimum lengths, and might be longer than 20 bytes.  A
+server therefore MUST respond with a Version Negotiation packets for all
+lengths of connection IDs allowed by the layout defined here.

That works for me also. (I wasn't sure about the "MUST" for that reason, but I couldn't find the right words.) A "MUST NOT" would work for your suggestion:

Version-specific rules for QUIC packets MUST NOT influence a server decision about whether to send a Version Negotiation packet.

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Closes #4183.

The recommendation is written so that it would prevent the two failure modes discussed in the issue:

  • client and server doing ping-pong due to only the tail of the server-sent packets reaching the client
  • the connection getting stuck after the handshake is complete, when Initial and Handshake packets will be small (particularly when TLS session tickets are used)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188

Commit Summary

  • server sends full-size datagrams until the path is validated

File Changes

Patch Links:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT
+packets it sends so that their UDP payload size will be at least 1200 bytes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT

You don't need to pad Handshake packets, if you consistently pad Initials: Without the ServerHello, the client won't be able to decrypt the Handshake packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT

This is necessary to prevent the ping-pong that is being described in the issue which is caused by the receipt of a Handshake packet triggering a retransmission.

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@martinthomson Thank you for the review.

I think that this is better moved to Section 14.1, with a reference back to this section instead. The purpose of this section is to talk about address validation, not the minimum MTU guarantee, which is what this recommendation safeguards.

Is the suggestion to move also the client-side padding requirement in section 8.1 (MUST pad Initial packets) to section 14.1? The intent of adding the text to section 8.1 was so that the paragraph goes like:

  • client MUST pad all Initial packets
  • servers can send a Retry
  • servers SHOULD pad packets until the path is being validated.

I'm fine with expanding the last bullet point to cover both endpoints, though I thin we might want to keep the first bullet point and the third point in the same section?

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----==_mimepart_5f7ec1e1a93e6_602419b45101ab-- From nobody Thu Oct 8 00:48:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B53E3A0E2F for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-E0KRC132EB for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2558B3A0E2E for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-b530b80.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.109.41]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3F3EB520E3F for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 00:48:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602143290; bh=TC3DjOTZWeT3HcIOa9yy5wqALz+c/N7UIb9gc9snUS4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ShsGPr7hdAMrr66HXCQMl8HTl1U5334LTxQ9wcFeqK8RbW2BdkMTNbIJ0t9t775Pa YevtpKeqrV6OCSUY3F3r9HJoymskv2hcnEqVNBsmGJOv4l9WIuJkHerC0A0S1lruuc e5YiCgVbS1EbuwLdMlQ6K2+Qb9kPr7cZCIsvqAdc= Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 00:48:10 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify CID length requirements for VN packets (#4187) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7ec43a3bd14_5519b4977813"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 07:48:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7ec43a3bd14_5519b4977813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could we also maybe add a pointer to the requirement that a DCID in an Initial must be eight bytes to Section 17.2? Because at the moment, it's buried in Section 7.2, where I didn't find it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4187#issuecomment-705395200 ----==_mimepart_5f7ec43a3bd14_5519b4977813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Could we also maybe add a pointer to the requirement that a DCID in an Initial must be eight bytes to Section 17.2? Because at the moment, it's buried in Section 7.2, where I didn't find it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT

If you pad all Initial packets (meaning: all datagrams containing Initial), you don't need to pad Handshake packets. An undecryptable packet doesn't reset any timers, so if won't lead to the ping-pong you describe.

This is easier to implement (for me at least), since I can use the same logic for packing packets on the client and server side: Pad all packets that contain an Initial.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -2404,37 +2421,33 @@ no more than:
 (2l * q)^2 / 2^n
 ~~~
 
-For a target advantage of 2^-57, this results in the relation:
-
-~~~
-q <= 2^24.5
-~~~
-
-That is, endpoints cannot protect more than 2^23 packets with the same set of
-keys without causing an attacker to gain a larger advantage than the target of
-2^-57.  Note however that the integrity limits further constrain this value.
+The integrity limit in Theorem 1 in {{?CCM-ANALYSIS}} provides an attacker a
+strictly higher advantage for the same number of messages. As the targets

Or plural works in that last arrangement, so "As the targets for the confidentiality advantage and the integrity advantage are the same...." I think any of them are fine, so long as they agree in number. What stuck out to me was "targets advantage" more than anything else.

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It sounds like "until address validation is complete" might not be sufficient. The Initial token provides validation, but doesn't exercise the path MTU. We should clarify that even if the address is validated by a NEW_TOKEN token (i.e. the anti-amplification limit is waived), the server should send 1200-byte datagrams until some in-connection address validation has also succeeded.

However, that feels like a new concept that I'm a little hesitant to try introducing.

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"until address validation is complete" sounds complex and error-prone, why not simply apply the requirement to initial packets like we do on the client?

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> +A server MUST NOT apply any restrictions to the length of the connection IDs
+when deciding whether to send a Version Negotiation Packet, even if it only
+supports QUIC versions that restrict the acceptable lengths of connection IDs.
+

Personally, when I was looking for the rules of when or when not to send a VN packet, I went to the Invariants doc. And I didn't really find much. IMO, the invariants doc should have all the generic rules: which fields to validate, which lengths to ignore (CIDs) and which to enforce (UDP payloads). As we get more QUIC versions, implementers shouldn't have to go searching through every document out there (ideally).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
-As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1
-limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer
-than 20 bytes.
+Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of
+connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not
+be required to have a minimum lengths, and might be longer than 20 bytes.  A
+server therefore MUST respond with a Version Negotiation packets for all
+lengths of connection IDs allowed by the layout defined here.

I don't think we should say a server MUST send a VN. Makes it sound like it's a protocol violation if I don't respond to a flood of packets, each with their own VN packet. For instance, if MsQuic receives a burst of packets from an endpoint, it generally sends a single VN packet in response.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT

I agree with @marten-seemann. If the first flight pads in both directions, ACKs of those packets should be enough to validate the 1200 MTU requirement, and further packets shouldn't be required to pad, right?

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----==_mimepart_5f7f2d9985f71_5819b41211d9-- From nobody Thu Oct 8 08:41:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525BD3A0DAE for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RmWaVklZ8sEW for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 08:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F177F3A0A64 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-60bf0e5.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E0DE3600D75 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 08:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602171683; bh=M2zSufb81yZJ3Nz4ul8D4SgvTZbhYuq8lTpfBRrcXkc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JWD8OzW5VgxhnnF7jqolycdp+MP3qAxcaJjRu0g/7V4/CCPcCFf7XLE+AhcasPXui fqg6GO5fNcV2iWzYPd0djxq4wMIrDuUXocwYUHvnhYgoW/wJxkwwtdG/S2WZwTRqmV L2S/2U732uPSMHoHDnWmU4rBiI/Ux7bJiXVWzluc= Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 08:41:23 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify CID length requirements for VN packets (#4187) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7f3323d996f_4719b41011a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:41:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7f3323d996f_4719b41011a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. I think this is a good improvement, but some wordsmithing could still be done. > +connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not +be required to have a minimum lengths, and might be longer than 20 bytes. A ```suggestion connection IDs. In particular, connection IDs might have a smaller minimum length or a greater maximum length. A ``` > @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path attacker. -As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1 -limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer -than 20 bytes. +Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of +connection IDs larger than version 1. In particular, connection IDs might not +be required to have a minimum lengths, and might be longer than 20 bytes. A +server therefore MUST respond with a Version Negotiation packets for all +lengths of connection IDs allowed by the layout defined here. ```suggestion lengths of connection IDs allowed by the layout defined in Section 5.1 of {{QUIC-INVARIANTS}}. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4187#pullrequestreview-504910797 ----==_mimepart_5f7f3323d996f_4719b41011a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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#4185 has made these editorial changes; @gloinul, can you see if anything else needs to be done here?

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To continue the discussion from the PR...

@marten-seemann points out that the handshake never moves on if you pad the Initial. @kazuho then points out that we currently recommend that clients re-send their Initial if they see a Handshake packet that they can't decrypt (I keep forgetting that because we haven't implemented that bit yet, ...). I think that perhaps that we might take Marten's suggestion and tweak the recommendation about re-sending Initials at the client. If the client limits the number of Initial packets it sends this way, we avoid an infinite cycle.

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I think that this comes from the `\sigma*B/2^n` term in Bad3 in [the paper](https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/993.pdf), but I want to make sure that my understanding is correct in that we are treating `\sigma*B` as `\sigma^2` in the single-user case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4175#pullrequestreview-505247543 ----==_mimepart_5f7fa333b5106_4f19b4107762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -2337,18 +2352,19 @@ distinguishing advantage between a real and random AEAD algorithm gained by an
 attacker is:
 
 ~~~
-2 * (q * l)^2 / 2^128
+2 * (q * l)^2 / 2^n

I forgot to call this out. @chris-wood, can you check that this is right here? I think that this comes from the \sigma*B/2^n term in Bad3 in the paper, but I want to make sure that my understanding is correct in that we are treating \sigma*B as \sigma^2 in the single-user case.

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----==_mimepart_5f7fa333b5106_4f19b4107762-- From nobody Thu Oct 8 16:47:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A1A3A1030 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 16:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S7FIndRAFc5F for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E2583A102D for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 16:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-667df83.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.103.35]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 233A1600938 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 16:47:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602200838; bh=k9w/KvThPx81Pplak/EEzKqDQK1pyr5QOJx7y7fytHs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GKA9BC7Zc+TC/VGGwrpll32EaxtmumwnuQ1lKqUYQtIUvi9i5dIMzHQTBlAtHuX8w s7xzatkrzq+x8KaC6k3XSPq0cAvG2ADQ2JbTNvc7cQPr/aS2y9WuddnrojKRJWFVYW VEGkmHERBaIQFW71ZjeaMFymY4zngP2DB2ioOc2s= Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 16:47:18 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7fa5061fb64_4f19b41009f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 23:47:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7fa5061fb64_4f19b41009f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see {{validate-future}}). +Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT @marten-seemann @nibanks I'm not sure if I agree. Let me start by pointing out the basics that I think is true, before I dive into the details of the recovery draft: * When the path MTU is below 1200 bytes, it is better to make sure that none of the packets reach the client rather than letting some pass through, because client might extend their timeout if they receive some packets from the server. * Machinery defined in the transport draft should not depend on the specifics of the recovery draft. * What we are trying to provide is a recommendation (SHOULD), and that should be the best practice rather than the minimum that an endpoint is supposed to do. And because it is merely a recommendation, endpoints can adopt alternative strategies. Regarding the specifics of the recovery draft, [the second paragraph of the recovery draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-6.2.3-2) states that an server MAY retransmit CRYPTO data before the PTO timer expires, when it receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data. The question is if this paragraph prohibits servers from retransmitting Handshake packets (or 1-RTT packets) containing CRYPTO data. If such action is prohibited, then we will not have ping-pong. If such action is _not_ prohibited, we might see ping-ping if we only pad datagrams carrying Initial packets. That is because if only the Handshake packets (or the 1-RTT packets) reach the client, the client is explicitly allowed to retransmit Initial packets containing CRYPTO data. My understanding is that such action is _not_ prohibited. In fact, I would argue that the intent of this section is to allow such an action. Consider the case where the server sent three datagrams in its first flight: 1) a full-sized datagram carrying an Initial and a Handshake packet, 2) a full-sized datagram carrying a Handshake packet, 3) a half-sized datagram carrying a Handshake packet. When the server receives an Initial carrying duplicate CRYPTO data, the draft states that it can assume that the Initial that the server sent has been lost. What does that exactly mean? The natural assumption would be that either or both of datagrams _2_ and _3_ reached the client, but _1_ did not. It is far less likely that the client received all the three datagrams, but there was a bit flip in the Initial packet, and that the client is buffering the Handshake packets it was unable to decrypt. Then, why should a server limit the retransmission to only Initial data? To summarize, my understanding is that section 6.2.3 of the recovery draft suggests that the server MAY retransmit Handshake packets when receiving an Initial packet that contain duplicate CRYPTO data. Therefore, there's the possibility that we would see a ping-pong even with a server that is following the recommendations in the recovery draft, unless it pads all packets that it sends until the path is validated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#discussion_r502082470 ----==_mimepart_5f7fa5061fb64_4f19b41009f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the path is validated, a server SHOULD pad the Initial, Handshake, 1-RTT

@marten-seemann @nibanks I'm not sure if I agree.

Let me start by pointing out the basics that I think is true, before I dive into the details of the recovery draft:

  • When the path MTU is below 1200 bytes, it is better to make sure that none of the packets reach the client rather than letting some pass through, because client might extend their timeout if they receive some packets from the server.
  • Machinery defined in the transport draft should not depend on the specifics of the recovery draft.
  • What we are trying to provide is a recommendation (SHOULD), and that should be the best practice rather than the minimum that an endpoint is supposed to do. And because it is merely a recommendation, endpoints can adopt alternative strategies.

Regarding the specifics of the recovery draft, the second paragraph of the recovery draft states that an server MAY retransmit CRYPTO data before the PTO timer expires, when it receives an Initial packet containing duplicate CRYPTO data.

The question is if this paragraph prohibits servers from retransmitting Handshake packets (or 1-RTT packets) containing CRYPTO data. If such action is prohibited, then we will not have ping-pong. If such action is not prohibited, we might see ping-ping if we only pad datagrams carrying Initial packets. That is because if only the Handshake packets (or the 1-RTT packets) reach the client, the client is explicitly allowed to retransmit Initial packets containing CRYPTO data.

My understanding is that such action is not prohibited. In fact, I would argue that the intent of this section is to allow such an action.

Consider the case where the server sent three datagrams in its first flight: 1) a full-sized datagram carrying an Initial and a Handshake packet, 2) a full-sized datagram carrying a Handshake packet, 3) a half-sized datagram carrying a Handshake packet.

When the server receives an Initial carrying duplicate CRYPTO data, the draft states that it can assume that the Initial that the server sent has been lost. What does that exactly mean? The natural assumption would be that either or both of datagrams 2 and 3 reached the client, but 1 did not. It is far less likely that the client received all the three datagrams, but there was a bit flip in the Initial packet, and that the client is buffering the Handshake packets it was unable to decrypt.

Then, why should a server limit the retransmission to only Initial data?

To summarize, my understanding is that section 6.2.3 of the recovery draft suggests that the server MAY retransmit Handshake packets when receiving an Initial packet that contain duplicate CRYPTO data. Therefore, there's the possibility that we would see a ping-pong even with a server that is following the recommendations in the recovery draft, unless it pads all packets that it sends until the path is validated.

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Closes #4177.

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@martinthomson Thank you for the re-review, back reference has been added in 8ec73e1.

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@MikeBishop I share your concern and the hesitation. And I think we can stick to discussing path validation.

My point would be that we do not say how endpoints should act when the MTU of a validated path goes below 1200 bytes mid-connection. Then, why do we need to talk about revalidating path MTU when the client reconnects with a valid token? Note that the lifetime of a QUIC connection can be longer than the lifetime of a NEW_TOKEN token.

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@martinthomson I would not oppose to tweaking the MAY= that allows client to retransmit ClientHello when receiving a Handshake = or a 1-RTT packet for which the client does not have keys. If we do that,= I agree that the server-side recommendation can be reduced to Initial pa= ckets only.

That said, if we are fine with changing the specification on both the = client- and server-side, my preference would be to recommend both endpoin= ts padding all datagrams up to 1200 bytes until the path is validated (or= there is a guarantee that the peer has validated), as @mart= inthomson suggested in #4188 (comment). Doing so eliminates t= he chance of having ping-pong, regardless of the recovery algorithm adopt= ed by endpoints.

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= ----==_mimepart_5f7facb3abe0b_3d19b4785fe-- From nobody Thu Oct 8 17:24:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95DB3A1074 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wj7QTZH14Xga for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 997843A1071 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-eb51911.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.103.36]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CE207340798 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:24:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602203073; bh=T5q+xG+XkVhdK4/gZvyFKuVJ2B/LnKEquDBcEVrSFNc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VSQ4pUfxX46da8ej+S89REDV44TtFUNlA2mfbyPUxCJjJyTAyuAQ6dhr30WYFMZfn OWQWUFuVIvkhLXRmXy4G5B91jUWiX8mX7ZTOeoiop9vPEsNJc8gR+oWv9XDk7wUOu5 YLfqL8qg7F5BmZpM8cTMtU2pNYbo/tI4JZadXw3I= Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:24:33 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7fadc1ca583_5d19b4103528"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 00:24:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7fadc1ca583_5d19b4103528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason I prefer the Initial-only padding is that it is principled: it says that you can't start a connection with small packets, from either side. And the cost is only tweaking an optional optimization. Padding every packet might be better, and I don't think we should look to prohibit it, but I don't think that it is necessary to even recommend it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-705896324 ----==_mimepart_5f7fadc1ca583_5d19b4103528 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The reason I prefer the Initial-only padding is that it is principled: it says that you can't start a connection with small packets, from either side. And the cost is only tweaking an optional optimization. Padding every packet might be better, and I don't think we should look to prohibit it, but I don't think that it is necessary to even recommend it.

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  • 97b8798 reduce the recommendation of padding to Initial packets only; restrict the number of packets being sent pre-PTO

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Fair enough. I've updated the PR, please take a look.

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Huh, it looks like you've changed your recommendation to only Initial packets. I think that ought to be all packets. > @@ -4099,8 +4104,9 @@ bytes. A server MAY also immediately close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close-hs}}. -The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the -address of the client; see {{address-validation}}. +Until the server validates the client address, a server MUST also limit the ```suggestion Until the server validates the client address, it MUST limit the ``` > +the number of bytes it sends and SHOULD pad the Initial packets; see +{{address-validation}}. ```suggestion number of bytes it sends, and it SHOULD ensure that the UDP payload of all datagrams it sends at least 1200 bytes; see {{address-validation}}. ``` > @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing Why is this necessary? > @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see {{validate-future}}). +Until the client address is validated, servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams +containing Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes. Doing so I would revert this to what you had earlier... I don't think there's a good reason to not recommend padding all packets, since client behavior is uncertain here. The SHOULD here means that implementations can deviate from this recommendation, as long as they know what they're doing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#pullrequestreview-505289821 ----==_mimepart_5f7fbc8c464b2_3519b479771 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Ugh apologies, I've been having this discussion on the PR. I would argue that a different principle is in order here: that if the problem is an MTU problem, then you want complete failure, not partial failures. Sending packets that are < 1200 bytes risks partial failures of all kinds.

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@janaiyengar I tend to share your concern, though, I might point out that an endpoint ought to be prepared to receive peer's small-sized packets, unless we use a MUST. Do we want to state that both sides MUST start with sending full-sized packets until it receives an ACK from the peer?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the client address is validated, servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams
+containing Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes.  Doing so

Retry can validate the client's address, so the ping-pong could still happen in that case.

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That optimization doesn't seem unreasonable, so I'd prefer to account for it.

Why don't we tie it to dropping of Handshake keys on the server side? This might be slightly inefficient in the case of HRR, but we don't have to introduce another flavor of path validation.

We do have a similar issue for connection migration, don't we? You could probe the path using a small packet, switch to that path, and then discover that the MTU is too low to support 1280 byte packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1943,6 +1943,11 @@ the client during connection establishment with a Retry packet (see
 {{validate-retry}}) or in a previous connection using the NEW_TOKEN frame (see
 {{validate-future}}).
 
+Until the client address is validated, servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams
+containing Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes.  Doing so

@marten-seemann Wow. That's true. Addressed in bd089c9.

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----==_mimepart_5f7fd7b642c6b_4c19b424055d-- From nobody Thu Oct 8 20:23:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A98D3A12E4 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:23:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5FJC5Pwt2cZu for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1809F3A12E9 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-33977dc.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 26B085E0F84 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:23:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602213815; bh=mPAbtZIyV8ZSgflydySnA2ZpP5WLp0TM0OtIX59zfQg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PNXJTHL4JxjkDHET2GP3C+YWHg4MSPccBVXz72sbE7RUUJoUmmzGc5Fjgmr0WugZi 9etMxjVz+fqIZxzDJCfESlSLYuTVAD6dDXxAMObDcZcvQhvBOEZSmCTTyMXVAI2if/ tTgSzUy/+8tcy03i3/mAW/RojxkNWrjek1/df8os= Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 20:23:35 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f7fd7b715633_6019b426118c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 03:23:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f7fd7b715633_6019b426118c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is something we want to address with "get an ACK, drop the padding", then I could live with that. But I can't pad 1-RTT packets the way I want to there. I'd still prefer to say Initial-only, but I could live with the ACK-based arrangement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-705945224 ----==_mimepart_5f7fd7b715633_6019b426118c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If this is something we want to address with "get an ACK, drop the padding", then I could live with that. But I can't pad 1-RTT packets the way I want to there.

I'd still prefer to say Initial-only, but I could live with the ACK-based arrangement.

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I tend to agree with what @martinthomson suggested earlier; limit how many times an endpoint can retransmit packets before PTO timer expires. That's what the PR says now.

Sending something before PTO is fine only when packet loss is rare. If we repeatedly see packets being dropped, then the sender has to reduce the send rate.

@marten-seemann Do you have any issue with that?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the number of bytes it sends and SHOULD pad the Initial packets; see
+{{address-validation}}.

I want to keep the Initial piece.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

This is the optimization that leads to the infinite regress. This is attempting to say "A client MUST limit the number of times it sends Initial packets in response to packets it cannot process."

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@marten-seemann Do you have any issue with that?

In fact, I do. Implementing a limit for the number times you can retransmit data seems like a lot of additional complexity (as you have to lift that limit at some point to achieve reliable data delivery).

Unrelated to that: I noticed an interesting interplay with the amplification limit here: We might end up in a situation where the server has less than a full packet size worth of credit in its amplification limit, and normally would send a smaller packet. It seems like this situation will occur exactly when we're worried about asymmetric MTUs, so in practice the amplification limit will not be 3, but, 2.x.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> +A server MUST NOT apply any restrictions to the length of the connection IDs
+when deciding whether to send a Version Negotiation Packet, even if it only
+supports QUIC versions that restrict the acceptable lengths of connection IDs.
+

I agree with @nibanks here, and I like @martinthomson's suggestion in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4187/files#r501426920. I'll use that here instead of in -transport.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> +A server MUST NOT apply any restrictions to the length of the connection IDs
+when deciding whether to send a Version Negotiation Packet, even if it only
+supports QUIC versions that restrict the acceptable lengths of connection IDs.
+

Done in 05cc5d9.

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In fact, I do. Implementing a limit for the number times you can retransmit data seems like a lot of additional complexity (as you have to lift that limit at some point to achieve reliable data delivery).

Could you elaborate a bit more please, because I'm not sure how it would be?

When sending the first flight, the server would have arm PTO timer (or would have postponed arming the timer when it had reached the amplification limit). Receipt of a duplicate CRYPTO data is a MAY that allows the server to have a special path for triggering what would have happened when PTO timer should have fired. I do not think the complexity changes a lot if we add a counter that restricts the invocation of that special path (in practice, I think that the counter can be one, meaning that it is a boolean flag for each connection).

Unrelated to that: I noticed an interesting interplay with the amplification limit here: We might end up in a situation where the server has less than a full packet size worth of credit in its amplification limit, and normally would send a smaller packet. It seems like this situation will occur exactly when we're worried about asymmetric MTUs, so in practice the amplification limit will not be 3, but, 2.x.

I would not call this a 2.x situation. Rather, I would say that the server is guaranteed to have a send window of 3600 bytes. If the client sends Initial packets greater than 1200 bytes, then the server might have more room which it cannot use, when the server decides to stick to 1200 bytes. But that's fine, because servers should not be built under the assumption that the client would always be sending Initial packets greater than 1200 bytes.

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When sending the first flight, the server would have arm PTO timer (or would have postponed arming the timer when it had reached the amplification limit). Receipt of a duplicate CRYPTO data is a MAY that allows the server to have a special path for triggering what would have happened when PTO timer should have fired. I do not think the complexity changes a lot if we add a counter that restricts the invocation of that special path (in practice, I think that the counter can be one, meaning that it is a boolean flag for each connection).

That sounds complex to me. I'd prefer to have a solution that doesn't require use to modify the retransmission logic. I feel like this is a symptom of using the wrong requirement for padding packets.

I would not call this a 2.x situation. Rather, I would say that the server is guaranteed to have a send window of 3600 bytes. If the client sends Initial packets greater than 1200 bytes, then the server might have more room which it cannot use, when the server decides to stick to 1200 bytes. But that's fine, because servers should not be built under the assumption that the client would always be sending Initial packets greater than 1200 bytes.

Now let's say the server sends 1280 packets. It can send two of those packets, and then is left with 1040 bytes. The MTU probing requirement now says that a full-size packet has to be sent, whereas the amplification limit requires to not send a full-size packet.

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The agreement in number between "The pseudocode" and "Components" is j= arring. I'd go either....

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We now describe an example implementation of the loss detection mechanisms described in {{loss-detection}}. +The pseudocode in this section is licensed as Code Components; see the I'm using "segments", see if that works. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4189#discussion_r502713627 ----==_mimepart_5f80f5011bf78_4a19b434722a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1150,6 +1150,9 @@ This document has no IANA actions.
 We now describe an example implementation of the loss detection mechanisms
 described in {{loss-detection}}.
 
+The pseudocode in this section is licensed as Code Components; see the

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -316,6 +316,9 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
+Version-specific rules for QUIC packets MUST NOT influence a server decision

Are you saying that all QUIC servers need to send version negotiation packets in response to an 8-byte packet from an unknown version? That sounds like an amplification vector.

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@marten-seemann

That sounds complex to me. I'd prefer to have a solution that doesn't require use to modify the retransmission logic. I feel like this is a symptom of using the wrong requirement for padding packets.

It seems to me that you are seeking for something impossible, or am I missing something?

Are you suggesting that all packets, regardless of the packet type, should be padded up to at least 1200 bytes until the endpoint receives an ACK? IIUC that's the only way to retain the existing retransmission rules (e.g., endpoint MAY retransmit CRYPTO data when receiving a packet for which it does not have keys).

But doing so would have negative consequences on what a server can send. At the moment, the PR says pad Initial packets. That means that in practice, a server can send datagrams containing Handshake packets of any size. Therefore, the server can fully utilize the 3x window even when there is a mismatch between the endpoints' MTU, if the server is fine with not prepending Initial packets to every Handshake packet it sends.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -316,6 +316,9 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
+Version-specific rules for QUIC packets MUST NOT influence a server decision

The text in the transport doc is fine; this is, as David says, a little sketchy without the minimum length constraint. A prefix of "other than the minimum packet size, ..." might work, I guess.

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I think that this is OK, but I want to point out that the pseudocode is pretty useless without the bits around it that explain when it is used and how. Why not just label the entire section as a code component?

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I will note that it was never my intention to let any of theses Experimental or informational TCP specs to be added into the downref registry by this last call.

So, the pipeack reference needs to be reformulated to not be a normative one. As currently stated it is a clear normative reference per IESG Statement ([https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/normative-informative-references/]) , and especially
"Note 1: Even references that are relevant only for optional features must be classified as normative if they meet the above conditions for normative references. " You need to find a formulation that normative describes what the implementation MAY do, and then you can exemplify with the TCP version.

Then one in Section 7.3.2 I can accept as still being informative as the MAY statement is related to the primary aspect of the sentence and the reference to PPR is exemplifying. Still this is very much on the border and may still generate a comment in IESG.

For RFC 3168 I don't understand why not making it to a normative one. There are no issues with its status as it is proposed standard. And simply the security consideration section still implies that you need to know what a ECN-CE mark is to interpret this. So please make this one normative.

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----==_mimepart_5f84498adb7f0_5f19b4173054-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 05:53:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C056B3A1491 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.241 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.241 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lL2-CoGb-LGq for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3FF43A1493 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4586ef9.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.110.60]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DD942E090A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602507231; bh=fhtsfCJPqKsXJDbNbUl4Z/EWU2Sqw18sZNaubXYgiZQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1vJnPbW7AoFReEJ2qfdE+ahKOPHEhFBdau8Mg/sjM+uwpWArgoH9bm5TQ8nb7Y95u hGF6X4otrPxth39VuIZNO+ayHpo12DrNBO6r3KjnoZBLbF0yLmHnv0jZhcGB1QVkUD XHiC6XYygXhBbe3fZpuWCT2qBCMbUBmHX0F+L9HY= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 05:53:51 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8451dfdaa52_1d319b4105332"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:53:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8451dfdaa52_1d319b4105332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm ok with RFC 3168 being normative, but would like to avoid making the others normative. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-707101934 ----==_mimepart_5f8451dfdaa52_1d319b4105332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm ok with RFC 3168 being normative, but would like to avoid making the others normative.

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@ianswett if pipeack is not normative then a reformulation is necessary of that sentence in Section 7.8 to not state is as a mechanism that MAY be implemented.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Came up in #4178 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4190 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify that pipeACK is an example -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4190.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4190.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Came up in #4178

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  • Clarify that pipeACK is an example

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 12 07:03:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2963A14F9 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:03:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ga7c1bDfam2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFCB53A1363 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f7521d4.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EBF82E0D78 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602511421; bh=INS1KjFmyE5/AuZvL6J9ik83R7K4kiYNbBavSscpVyE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SLtXh99FZ2/U0a1HFNHZMOGOapTF60M5/er1olkIcUk336MpvdlNLt9EYQVwSa69z AH0WXY8aj2JA7KVyjRlrf99ZnGY4ZoLaoBfjhA1JJ6uDQS9NbiCv2dSmL79bipzrR7 ibEGjAtxJA7rZsPNQhlzn/SL+FYXKF17kaBDDbcI= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:03:41 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84623de79f5_4219b420772b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:03:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84623de79f5_4219b420772b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The sentence currently has a can, not a MAY: "A sender can use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}} to determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized." But I sent out PR #4190 to make it clearer that pipeACK is an example, PTAL and see if that helps. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-707140398 ----==_mimepart_5f84623de79f5_4219b420772b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The sentence currently has a can, not a MAY:
"A sender can use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}} to
determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized."

But I sent out PR #4190 to make it clearer that pipeACK is an example, PTAL and see if that helps.

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This can happen due to insufficient application data or flow control limits. -A sender can use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}} to -determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized. +A sender can use a variety of mechnaisms to determine if the congestion window ```suggestion A sender can use a variety of mechanisms to determine if the congestion window ``` > @@ -1086,8 +1086,9 @@ the congestion window SHOULD NOT be increased in either slow start or congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient application data or flow control limits. -A sender can use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}} to -determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized. +A sender can use a variety of mechnaisms to determine if the congestion window +is sufficiently utuilized. For example, the pipeACK method described in ```suggestion is sufficiently utilized. For example, the pipeACK method described in ``` > @@ -1086,8 +1086,9 @@ the congestion window SHOULD NOT be increased in either slow start or congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient application data or flow control limits. -A sender can use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}} to -determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized. +A sender can use a variety of mechnaisms to determine if the congestion window +is sufficiently utuilized. For example, the pipeACK method described in +Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}}. I would actually rephrase this part completely (or maybe just remove it entirely as there is another reference two paragraphs down). RFC7661 mainly uses the term "application-limited", however, it does not really propose a mechanism to exactly _detect_ that a connection is application-limited, but rather proposes additional mechanism to even decrease the congestion window when no validated. It further says that the cwnd window MUST NOT be increase when not cwnd-limited and that cwnd-limitation is detected based on FlightSize (or other mechanism, see also section 4.5.3 of RFC7661) as also described in the previous paragraph in the recovery draft: ``` A sender that is not cwnd-limited MUST NOT increase the cwnd when ACK packets are received in this phase ``` So I don't think RFC7661 actually provides any different meachanism to detect if the cwnd is sufficiently utilised. Please note also that RFC7661 actually says MUST NOT while the QUIC recovery draft has only a SHOULD NOT... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4190#pullrequestreview-506656684 ----==_mimepart_5f8468b810c59_5a19b41243c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I would actually rephrase this part completely (or maybe just remove i= t entirely as there is another reference two paragraphs down). RFC7661 ma= inly uses the term "application-limited", however, it does not really pro= pose a mechanism to exactly detect that a connection is applicat= ion-limited, but rather proposes additional mechanism to even decrease th= e congestion window when no validated. It further says that the cwnd wind= ow MUST NOT be increase when not cwnd-limited and that cwnd-limitation is= detected based on FlightSize (or other mechanism, see also section 4.5.3= of RFC7661) as also described in the previous paragraph in the recovery = draft:

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So I don't think RFC7661 actually provides any different meachanism to= detect if the cwnd is sufficiently utilised.

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Please note also that RFC7661 actually says MUST NOT while the QUIC re= covery draft has only a SHOULD NOT...

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In Section 5.3:

After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported by the peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are attributed to unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous acknowledgements. Therefore, these extra delays are considered effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the RTT estimate.

I don't understand the motivation behind this statement. Assuming that the peer is measuring their actual ack_delay, i.e. it has a sample for arrival_time[psn_highest_acked] and then when creating the ack and calculating the ack_delay it will do time(now) - arrival_time[psn_highest_acked] and that is then larger than max_ack_delay. Then this has nothing to do with the path, only with the peer implementation and its capability of waking up to report the ack when additional reception is not forcing it to ACK earlier than max_ack_delay. Thus, by capping the use of ack_delay to max_ack_delay then in certain transmission conditions the RTT will be inflated, and in others not.

I would guess that the impact of this is in most cases minimal. However, from a factual stand point it appear to me as non true statement. Does this needs be changed?

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 12 07:52:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7353A1543 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LaURzceiJUVl for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0DA63A1535 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d85249f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.24.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B9DFE56005C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:43:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602513816; bh=5xc05vKZn4lAgLWICanWn5+D0u9eh9TcMmRH7pTZCUE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TqMYEYxbk1Dgy+NXQEbufeni4q1eUBiI6QT/JlxLygPEG1f+ki2kZ8/A0T4pqR+xs h+DG5xIf1HfKQBtqYuL4T6EIMC1cEXu5/Ea2742TSBJ1gXKYz4mDylk4LXly6VIvA/ e5xOQhn1QYSBcfqgHtoYw2pETjS2r0zpjnmGkZOU= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:43:36 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Initial Smoothed_RTT values (#4192) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f846b98b694f_5919b424055"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:52:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f846b98b694f_5919b424055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Section 5.3: "When there are no samples for a network path, and on the first RTT sample for the network path: smoothed_rtt = rtt_sample rttvar = rtt_sample / 2 Before any RTT samples are available, the initial RTT is used as rtt_sample. On the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample. This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or default values." First of all this text uses "rtt_sample" while other places with the exception of the pseudo code uses latest_rtt variable. There are two issues with that. First that the value of rtt_sample is state dependent. If there exist an latest_rtt then that is used, if not the initial rtt. As the initial RTT is defined in Section 6.2.2 I think a forward reference is in place. Finally, should this calculation in cases where latest_rtt exists be using min_ack_delay? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4192 ----==_mimepart_5f846b98b694f_5919b424055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In Section 5.3:

"When there are no samples for a network path, and on the first RTT sample for the network path:

smoothed_rtt = rtt_sample
rttvar = rtt_sample / 2

Before any RTT samples are available, the initial RTT is used as rtt_sample. On the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample. This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or default values."

First of all this text uses "rtt_sample" while other places with the exception of the pseudo code uses latest_rtt variable. There are two issues with that. First that the value of rtt_sample is state dependent. If there exist an latest_rtt then that is used, if not the initial rtt. As the initial RTT is defined in Section 6.2.2 I think a forward reference is in place.

Finally, should this calculation in cases where latest_rtt exists be using min_ack_delay?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1086,8 +1086,9 @@ the congestion window SHOULD NOT be increased in either slow start or
 congestion avoidance. This can happen due to insufficient application data
 or flow control limits.
 
-A sender can use the pipeACK method described in Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}} to
-determine if the congestion window is sufficiently utilized.
+A sender can use a variety of mechnaisms to determine if the congestion window
+is sufficiently utuilized.  For example, the pipeACK method described in
+Section 4.3 of {{?RFC7661}}.

Good point, I'll remove this paragraph.

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The time threshold loss detection timer is expected to both expire earlier than the PTO and be less likely to spuriously retransmit data." What does "MUST NOT be set" means. The time threshold loss detection 6.1.2 only occurs if there is acknowledgement received by the sender sufficient late after the transmission. Thus, PTO timer needs to always be set. because even if Time Threshold timer fires it might not declare a loss. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4193 ----==_mimepart_5f8475fddeb65_4919b466834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 6.2.1:

"The probe timer MUST NOT be set if the time threshold (Section 6.1.2) loss detection timer is set. The time threshold loss detection timer is expected to both expire earlier than the PTO and be less likely to spuriously retransmit data."

What does "MUST NOT be set" means. The time threshold loss detection 6.1.2 only occurs if there is acknowledgement received by the sender sufficient late after the transmission. Thus, PTO timer needs to always be set. because even if Time Threshold timer fires it might not declare a loss.

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----==_mimepart_5f8475fddeb65_4919b466834-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 08:41:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBAE3A0E55 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBR9mz1FP0l5 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B15B83A0E4A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-48efd5b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.122.34]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8870C5E0EAD for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602517292; bh=h2Q7oWlylmqLU4DnGGEay+NUmKMxkFttBYKqmGO/2IQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=u4xcpdMJ9emHc5n2iv6UsJGHKJt1+G1YoI8ckvKIYoWcgX3FEUeLFLYKJQWII45Ng H62NwE2QbUTWOA4AVw55N6CBfigs6fT9Mt2mFyO29YziEJDHWD21ls1KV4K5wdNwfN tsPIMlMqXQ20PzJSVKDDVKV1Lr0J25uj51OlNGqI= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:32 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Initial Smoothed_RTT values (#4192) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84792c84c17_5d19b41234e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:41:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84792c84c17_5d19b41234e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like to add that there are some structural issues in Section 6.2.1 and 6.2.2 where the initial value depends on both section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4192#issuecomment-707196237 ----==_mimepart_5f84792c84c17_5d19b41234e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I like to add that there are some structural issues in Section 6.2.1 and 6.2.2 where the initial value depends on both section.

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----==_mimepart_5f84792c84c17_5d19b41234e4-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 08:41:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D237B3A132F for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lpC1I1tUi8gl for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F223A0E4A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-5629143.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.65]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C2D6B340EE7 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602517308; bh=6YRbAFE66wRHU+xXLm6aMiwHlVdpcU9cB9D7nWCS1WI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CePRz339yThhbPF/Me60SFNMxb+/RrE0WjB8i2AAWZmiuapzUYALcMCyQEZ6UctKf g3U/uoONiKTemDCp3lMxfBQyipEHQsSFbqg75ufCaStelH3LRbEnrIjJLlxp3jpHV2 AzKiIRdQlv5V+A35c0MRAnAMy45SXrxBJPrgU7mU= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:41:48 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: PTO time MUST NOT be set and interaction with time threshold (#4193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84793cbe810_4619b414023c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:41:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84793cbe810_4619b414023c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It means if the time threshold timer is armed, you are not supposed to arm the PTO timer. If the Time Threshold timer fires and doesn't declare a loss, then I would consider that a bug. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4193#issuecomment-707196385 ----==_mimepart_5f84793cbe810_4619b414023c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It means if the time threshold timer is armed, you are not supposed to arm the PTO timer.

If the Time Threshold timer fires and doesn't declare a loss, then I would consider that a bug.

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----==_mimepart_5f84793cbe810_4619b414023c-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 08:48:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33D23A1582 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LBvxli_rhPd7 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E22F3A0E5B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3a60f09.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.73]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9450C5C0074 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:48:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602517704; bh=67mQa7xirazuv9DKrWedMaoxH39JAwpJgBaU7rRNOQQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Pm0REIjAHvTpoTigldyw4cCtsUF211y4S/zT7Z4W5d/0a3ze0MrUVeL/hoGjMuJ1q P04sUk2Cfqem2ijfC/ZgZEu22UEaKglPyo/tMt7qJl65/i6jEQ4ktcDIF8jJi556Tl MlRgaWScRZJLglZmIub+poENzJGFedJu+jE01et4= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 08:48:24 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery-31: Motivation for max_ack_delay statement (#4191) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f847ac8906b3_6019b415993c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:48:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f847ac8906b3_6019b415993c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, it is not a direct function of the path, but it is included in the path delay as represented by the RTT estimates. I'm not sure of a better way to say this, but @janaiyengar might have a suggestion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4191#issuecomment-707199907 ----==_mimepart_5f847ac8906b3_6019b415993c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Right, it is not a direct function of the path, but it is included in the path delay as represented by the RTT estimates.

I'm not sure of a better way to say this, but @janaiyengar might have a suggestion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -316,6 +316,9 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
+Version-specific rules for QUIC packets MUST NOT influence a server decision

Or scope the MUST NOT specifically to CID interpretation.

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Section 7.

"Unlike TCP, QUIC can detect the loss of these packets and MAY use that information to adjust the congestion controller or the rate of ACK-only packets being sent, but this document does not describe a mechanism for doing so."

So is there need to say anything that if one does this it needs to be adjusted in both directions, i.e. it is not okay to only use it to speed up, and not slow down.

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Section 7.6.1:

The RECOMMENDED value for kPersistentCongestionThreshold is 3, which is approximately equivalent to two TLPs before an RTO in TCP.

Any values that needs to be explicitly forbidden? For example does it need a sentence saying that it MUST be larger than X? I would think that 1 would be to low and allow slow start after just one RTT+variations? I understand that likely would give the application bad behavior but likely also have negative impact on other applications if the QUIC stack ends up doing slow start crashing into the wall and then slow starting again?

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(#4196) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8484d758499_4f19b4845e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:31:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8484d758499_4f19b4845e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This issue will list a number of minor editorial things that should be checked and likely addressed with some editorial fixes: 1. Section 5.3: "These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]." This text implies that the computation of the delay is described in Section 19.3 of QUIC-TRANSPORT. However, I don't think it is described the calculation, only the definition of the field. Please reformulate to imply only field definition not calculation. 2. Section 5.3: "On the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample. This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or default values." I think this intended to cover cases where path changes are detected. But it is not well expressed. Does this need a reformulation and a reference into QUIC-TRANSPORT where it states when such a reset should occur? 3. Section 6.1: "Either its packet number is kPacketThreshold smaller than an acknowledged packet" Nitpicking, assuming no PN gaps in transmission. Does that need a note? 4. Section 6.2.4: "An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram or transmit data from multiple packet number spaces." This last part, I assume intended to generate additional datagrams to prevent single loss to impact. However, due to coalescing this is unclear in this context. 5. Section 7: "Endpoints can unilaterally choose a different algorithm to use, such as Cubic ([RFC8312])." I think this sentence should be explicit that in needs to be sender-based algorithms. I think we need to have the requirement on performing congestion control on the sender unless there has been explicit agreement with the receiver that they will do it. 6. Section 7.2: "Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of 14720 bytes or twice the maximum datagram size." "maximum datagram size" is not used in Transport there need to be alignment here of what name to use. Transport has Maximum Packet Size, which appears to match the definition in the appendix of max_datagram_size. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4196 ----==_mimepart_5f8484d758499_4f19b4845e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This issue will list a number of minor editorial things that should be checked and likely addressed with some editorial fixes:

  1. Section 5.3: "These delays are computed using the ACK Delay field of the ACK frame as described in Section 19.3 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]." This text implies that the computation of the delay is described in Section 19.3 of QUIC-TRANSPORT. However, I don't think it is described the calculation, only the definition of the field. Please reformulate to imply only field definition not calculation.
  2. Section 5.3: "On the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample. This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or default values." I think this intended to cover cases where path changes are detected. But it is not well expressed. Does this need a reformulation and a reference into QUIC-TRANSPORT where it states when such a reset should occur?
  3. Section 6.1: "Either its packet number is kPacketThreshold smaller than an acknowledged packet" Nitpicking, assuming no PN gaps in transmission. Does that need a note?
  4. Section 6.2.4: "An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram or transmit data from multiple packet number spaces." This last part, I assume intended to generate additional datagrams to prevent single loss to impact. However, due to coalescing this is unclear in this context.
  5. Section 7: "Endpoints can unilaterally choose a different algorithm to use, such as Cubic ([RFC8312])." I think this sentence should be explicit that in needs to be sender-based algorithms. I think we need to have the requirement on performing congestion control on the sender unless there has been explicit agreement with the receiver that they will do it.
  6. Section 7.2: "Endpoints SHOULD use an initial congestion window of 10 times the maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), limited to the larger of 14720 bytes or twice the maximum datagram size." "maximum datagram size" is not used in Transport there need to be alignment here of what name to use. Transport has Maximum Packet Size, which appears to match the definition in the appendix of max_datagram_size.

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----==_mimepart_5f8484d758499_4f19b4845e7-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 09:41:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7759F3A14EF for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:41:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1y6AdGx4iCtg for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E3573A13E3 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-480a777.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.122.36]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9F23AE0D71 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:41:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602520871; bh=8PjT2UX8PI26JD5FLEjI1oyEXL5ULLb+eaV7Qf5DEwc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PTS43CbyWY3VM6P/ZYSkktF/Dab+vZAaTb2O1/cKGBdTMiPaQ+l/EP/OjDMrZLUbM tjmUu1vinG30wVsmtxgPtRqVinFtdimuMy/I0VUSefRGkj9jLpkmrkQ6ctTw3BHJd7 2iPh4WZ4lC637qeeDnI1PhfXGTKqyc8qIHHoedAE= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:41:11 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Use of and tags (#4177) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8487279bc0c_5519b4930ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:41:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8487279bc0c_5519b4930ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar I think so. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4177#issuecomment-707227792 ----==_mimepart_5f8487279bc0c_5519b4930ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar I think so.

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----==_mimepart_5f8487966bc91_5219b4109625-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 09:45:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FF83A13B5 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:45:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gc7O9epELzZJ for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA5EC3A13B3 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-0cf6174.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.58]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BFA1C5E0F99 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602521122; bh=nIhh1/GhXGJ3ZZkEBDTaM3cRWF7Js6zXGasIAK+BYm8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B6mPX5xJJdMbcLk4iq7Jz/gyPnXeMqalu3Bf0eA6ZbuFx/9EsMY6DCg4861590cjL sj9CbLFPq8GqHNHZTUOgqC674ZHWGodxiwxwxcn7sq1yNxv7bN3pfB0KNntMvjUY2h UxnufeN3GknX9bxwKQMmWDAN+t9Gqi9ef4deLHig= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:45:22 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Normative References (#4178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f848822bc1c5_5e19b41763f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:45:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f848822bc1c5_5e19b41763f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett what PR #4190 proposes removing that first sentence do resolve the pipeack to me. So merging #4190, and moving RFC3168 to normative will resolve this issue to my understanding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4178#issuecomment-707229833 ----==_mimepart_5f848822bc1c5_5e19b41763f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett what PR #4190 proposes removing that first sentence do resolve the pipeack to me.
So merging #4190, and moving RFC3168 to normative will resolve this issue to my understanding.

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Thanks! I'll update PR #4190 to include moving RFC3168 to normative.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 12 09:52:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F3E3A159B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73v6WOmr0lT5 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54A013A1573 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-983ed7a.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.118.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 719CAE0065 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602521552; bh=3yCZvkBVGvqFxCGEQhRIlSlZ1abwCAfW7D+s3o+qhhg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0jKTX+YiP+WZGQ3iRRAbsEqrHOW69EvTobHTXZlE0g9Zyh9xkEwvSJfg4yQL9A46O KxlBmhWg3RoRN1GhJguVd0ru82sGLLbMKozsM2FpWkiHd+7CFS7wjtNr930nmbzNEX DCf9fq5tlcqyDz0zgGgvoBT5Moo0v235p/q2qFKU= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 09:52:32 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: PTO time MUST NOT be set and interaction with time threshold (#4193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8489d06e15a_4c19b415671"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:52:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8489d06e15a_4c19b415671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the above text about loss timer is only when one are under the condition created by this Section 6.1.2 sentence? "If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet be declared lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time." Does the formulation in 6.1.2 need to be improved, possibly naming the timer? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4193#issuecomment-707233351 ----==_mimepart_5f8489d06e15a_4c19b415671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So the above text about loss timer is only when one are under the condition created by this Section 6.1.2 sentence?

"If packets sent prior to the largest acknowledged packet cannot yet be declared lost, then a timer SHOULD be set for the remaining time."

Does the formulation in 6.1.2 need to be improved, possibly naming the timer?

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----==_mimepart_5f848d0eb9e7e_aa519b416174c-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 10:45:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53CD3A15D7 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:45:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 703Kk0qBIDX4 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EDCA3A15D6 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-48efd5b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.122.34]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76F7B5E0FB0 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602524741; bh=buwA1k58rX13yg3/dZwCRliLu7O1vUbeKYYOAboGB2I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sFGxVww7ukK4ydPM2yK8tm+dB6XJiCzju/Zupwo81rKFcJZ1xB7WFlJNZxCuNfajk Dudh9ig3Sawpj/+NDGcazcI5KSTFzxYhYkK65cVpXmgLTh9pm75Oa8LnkKo2khwnUF YlMs4NJzbeUcYrWXea/YekuANxLmuxuZk4Tsjlxk= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:45:41 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84964573e41_105319b4213e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:45:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84964573e41_105319b4213e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why is the server putting an Initial PING in its second packet? While legal, this is unnecessary behavior that allows the infinite loop to occur. That seems like another "don't do that" kind of thing. Without that PING, both sides will time out quickly. Now, if the server hello spills into two packets, that's a different thing. But I think we might have enough time before ServerHello gets that big for the any paths with this problem to be fixed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707259231 ----==_mimepart_5f84964573e41_105319b4213e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why is the server putting an Initial PING in its second packet? While legal, this is unnecessary behavior that allows the infinite loop to occur. That seems like another "don't do that" kind of thing. Without that PING, both sides will time out quickly.

Now, if the server hello spills into two packets, that's a different thing. But I think we might have enough time before ServerHello gets that big for the any paths with this problem to be fixed.

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----==_mimepart_5f84964573e41_105319b4213e8-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 10:53:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF813A15DA for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ign3URrb8X_C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A889C3A15D9 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-53d1eda.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.114.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A32005C058E for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:53:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602525234; bh=BksUotRSryBU1sPrF5wcnoKXDdnvx8NXugtjx8c5IMg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DGj/rnClDTdg2VGrpvrqyMFXPHj3984RL7ht4JgwNXf341K5MeoMcHUe5VgKC5djk JXqjzADxzblh4Upo2LHCQJVt6Syl6hva5xcMu+Y5o9iR5VnaTLqc/DJiZxVJ+wI9OI FAV1E0d4KziOW73Df6IwdCp+ROQAavPq/lo/GXos= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:53:54 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8498329f49f_4819b424028c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:53:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8498329f49f_4819b424028c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be comfortable with saying "any datagram that contains an Initial Packet MUST be at least 1200 Bytes unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame." This just makes client and server requirements symmetric, and will have little practical impact on servers that aren't doing weird things. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707263115 ----==_mimepart_5f8498329f49f_4819b424028c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would be comfortable with saying "any datagram that contains an Initial Packet MUST be at least 1200 Bytes unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame." This just makes client and server requirements symmetric, and will have little practical impact on servers that aren't doing weird things.

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----==_mimepart_5f8498329f49f_4819b424028c-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:30:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB6A3A05D0 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X1eXs7uKqNRm for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A9823A0408 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-724d17f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.122.71]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C5988600E26 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:30:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602531049; bh=8vJV9OP62hJVA4OcL6kzmY97GczZHXJTwwwcJVGK8Gg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AQsHBwGsl/VJYX/CzuivzmtfYViBq1sqNXdVdH0GFcvkJaVsGBacN6MbXmYuM9vPA AkQ+miWufdFgyGVvquc1+befkdkDyKHudaT1Az3R1sxmCsnw43WggbQD0ooVBxI0SE bUyIjRKt+QY8Ad62AnIzOzfTr77Mew/CMmNoXavU= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:30:49 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: PTO time MUST NOT be set and interaction with time threshold (#4193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84aee9c23a5_5119b45413b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:30:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84aee9c23a5_5119b45413b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can see the confusion. This can either be a single timer or multiple, and sometimes we refer to it one way and sometimes as separately named timers, ie "The time threshold loss detection timer" We can either be more consistent about naming the timers or stop naming the timers entirely. Would you prefer the former? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4193#issuecomment-707305473 ----==_mimepart_5f84aee9c23a5_5119b45413b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I can see the confusion. This can either be a single timer or multiple, and sometimes we refer to it one way and sometimes as separately named timers, ie "The time threshold loss detection timer"

We can either be more consistent about naming the timers or stop naming the timers entirely. Would you prefer the former?

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----==_mimepart_5f84aee9c23a5_5119b45413b-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:50:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B243A084B for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GBk0ggx0qtT6 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 016583A0844 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fc79caa.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.23.65]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 434F6340DC0 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602532197; bh=pUnSx6SmGOmu2lpJbxRJxYKTx+yPDJ7wm69XTiaj5bM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FjSUlwC5mAn7kyLxozEq9z/gh6HIqkSf9+7PGnrMXNuQRf/e50+NHWAx91bilAn2V RPTAtnkej0R0hgOX0F2dPR+ovPR8iiNapf9v81aEjffVsNPGT+jnTuAutoXgfKmz4Y ELNdRb/g7exr35xy38QPwSqWSypcj3OqEKzSc3F8= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:49:57 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery-31: Motivation for max_ack_delay statement (#4191) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84b365400a7_4d19b417822d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:50:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84b365400a7_4d19b417822d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gloinul : Yes, that is correct, and that is exactly the intention. What is not intentional delay at the peer is considered part of the "path". The model we have is as follows. A sender wants to separate intentional delays at the peer from unintentional delays, since it can then do a better estimate for loss detection by not counting the ack delay in the EWMA. This leads to an issue where the peer can intentionally or unintentionally misreport actual ack delays, causing the estimated RTT to be incorrectly small. To avoid this, we have two checks: - all RTT samples, after adjusting for ack delay, are limited to being the measured min RTT, and - any reported ack delay has to be smaller than the peer's promised max ack delay. The question here is not whether the unintentional delay belongs in the path or not, but whether it ought to be removed from the path RTT, since we explicitly remove the reported ack delay from the RTT sample. Since this is unintentional (or uncontrolled) delay, we consider it part of the path, and part of the EWMA. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4191#issuecomment-707313397 ----==_mimepart_5f84b365400a7_4d19b417822d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gloinul : Yes, that is correct, and that is exactly the intention. What is not intentional delay at the peer is considered part of the "path".

The model we have is as follows. A sender wants to separate intentional delays at the peer from unintentional delays, since it can then do a better estimate for loss detection by not counting the ack delay in the EWMA.

This leads to an issue where the peer can intentionally or unintentionally misreport actual ack delays, causing the estimated RTT to be incorrectly small.

To avoid this, we have two checks:

  • all RTT samples, after adjusting for ack delay, are limited to being the measured min RTT, and
  • any reported ack delay has to be smaller than the peer's promised max ack delay.

The question here is not whether the unintentional delay belongs in the path or not, but whether it ought to be removed from the path RTT, since we explicitly remove the reported ack delay from the RTT sample. Since this is unintentional (or uncontrolled) delay, we consider it part of the path, and part of the EWMA.

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Commit: 8ac0c4276325c37afbfa57cfbb0d3e39abe40f71 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8ac0c4276325c37afbfa57cfbb0d3e39abe40f71 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-08 (Thu, 08 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Apply suggestions from code review Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson Commit: c24e60714a4fb8170284be9f33c94971e6b7fb85 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c24e60714a4fb8170284be9f33c94971e6b7fb85 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-09 (Fri, 09 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop Commit: 51ebab59453aae1bd8fd45a3e160abe6859ff7a3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51ebab59453aae1bd8fd45a3e160abe6859ff7a3 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-09 (Fri, 09 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- pseudocode segments Commit: 8f0a34a1286443a197f618bd8358a12719bd3098 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8f0a34a1286443a197f618bd8358a12719bd3098 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4189 from quicwg/jri/license Pseudo code is code component Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d83bcb90127e...8f0a34a12864 From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:54:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59293A08AE for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:54:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SPBKrBWirNQH for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCB4A3A08A6 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ea956fd.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.56]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1681D520E81 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602532472; bh=swUZx/ELuTDbXF4EBPjFzT6N2wz8rgDgAP4tQfsczfI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nHD+TsRiG7utKGsi/e6y2sERPlq5Hlmss3Hm5sAfMWZCynbTPYFmhRVnbO2Ex3qIU 9CPjcW5AV85qPYt26wQU4PQV9MRxJoKsVnBV0hfgntyTi9WrOt2vuQZF7NzAT8WOU8 5xqh6LL/HLxxYB8HauBuh++/9R6dKjbwuOieDFXI= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:54:32 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Use of and tags (#4177) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84b47813667_3f19b445915"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:54:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84b47813667_3f19b445915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #4177 via #4189. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5f84b47850705_137119b4499c5-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:56:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BFB3A08AB for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ypU9_wVrA4bt for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C00EC3A08A6 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-2c3ce2a.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.112.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 019CA560D69 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602532560; bh=SoCDZ5ZSUVAdohyPnm8b403TV8UN+u/Ty9iqLJ4p1/s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=je7jio4ffGulZJqPtERPBMCFH3FrnwyrZptVfP5W2X5T6FeqEDrRaesAFxIVk70WT u3RVUEI/RCz/7SgaqMbe9kfy7KCRowlBEumwrieQ9vFzYhX/hIUle5QNItOMc0Vrwt 6rAAHjKJsRaBf853LhQnbbIOiD7NtUocN7qCsMFs= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:55:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] addd64: Script updating gh-pages from 8f0a34a1. 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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:56:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579B13A08AE for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QAM9htIcTqTf for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 219C33A08AD for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ca56ed5.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.110.37]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 66B8152092D for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602532611; bh=rRwQHdR5F+aU3hiRAxsha0bbXjuOPoqEi4MWoL1T96c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=movBAlQ94y5GJBPLAN7vhe7eCmHGFkaMzTe3FJOnLHUv+OpiM9za6sy7S7iuY7sCV TI+jDt7sTxGdYQEdxMAEJC8YPL+JEp3p+YXTyLgAJrfQ+RiRuZX+TcW+gHuzy8Mpr1 kQC3qehKV0ex++D+M5o80L+oHstxOk2VXL3LyyQQ= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:56:51 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pseudo code is code component (#4189) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84b503637ed_5c19b4921fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:56:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84b503637ed_5c19b4921fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson : The point of the issue was to protect the pseudo code under the license. The explanatory text doesn't need to be licensed any differently than the text in the rest of the document, IMO. I'm happy to take an editorial PR to change this as you would like though, if you think it's useful enough. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4189#issuecomment-707316368 ----==_mimepart_5f84b503637ed_5c19b4921fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson : The point of the issue was to protect the pseudo code under the license. The explanatory text doesn't need to be licensed any differently than the text in the rest of the document, IMO. I'm happy to take an editorial PR to change this as you would like though, if you think it's useful enough.

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@larseggert @LPardue : I believe this is purely editorial, but I'd like to confirm.

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Closing in favor of #4190

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Why is the server putting an Initial PING in its second packet? While legal, this is unnecessary behavior that allows the infinite loop to occur. That seems like another "don't do that" kind of thing.

We explicitly suggest that such optimization makes sense, because it gives the server a RTT estimate and to run time-based loss detection; please refer to the third paragraph of section 6.2.3 of the recovery draft.

I would be comfortable with saying "any datagram that contains an Initial Packet MUST be at least 1200 Bytes unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame."

That's certainly an option, though I see at least two problems:

  • A MUST is going to be a breaking change, because it implies that the peer can test and reject packets that do not conform to the requirement. I'm not sure if we want to make a breaking change that is not strictly necessary, at this moment.
  • Padding all Initial packets hurt performance, because the server's send window is restricted to 3x of what it has received from the client. For non-coalescing servers, padding Initial packets to full size would mean that it would have ~900 bytes less space to send the certificate chain in the first three packets (assuming that ServerHello is around 2x0 bytes). Or servers would lose one MTU of send window when sending an ACK-only Initial packet. I tend to prefer giving servers freedom regarding how (and if) they would implement defense against paths with MTUs being too small.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1920,10 +1920,12 @@ that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams
 that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain
 packets that are all discarded.
 
-Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP
-payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary.
-A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to
-send more data prior to completing address validation.
+Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial
+packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as
+necessary.  A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more

Maybe it would be better to limit the scope and say servers SHOULD pad Initial packets that carry crypto data.

The problem of padding all Initial packets is that ACK-only Initial packets consume full MTU, when the send window is still controlled by the amplification limit.

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@kazuho my proposed text wouldn't require most servers to pad Initial Packets. In general it will coalesce the Initial Packet with a Handshake to get to 1200.

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----==_mimepart_5f84c8e1e15b0_5319b4948a8-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 14:22:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5413A09E4 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a1_I1CjSNo4d for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55C6F3A09E0 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a54a6e8.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.87]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 607BF5E0F6C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:22:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602537743; bh=+uk5qOxTiUbj3i33qlamAR2KSoeEXHDFbxM1V5/8oOw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lOBxc7wwPHFM1rPZ0hAXcvJP1UA92+Gd0k9T73BQDqhjQ1tguIg168xYZ6oWVKbCx TzoQq4vC0uQq00MKuQ0nOb77+I3hSl93/uw8Bd2cQjiDQauinHfe0VJQYeBFHKF14Y HrLXeCP9AqGrySOYjDes+3NPY2b14uq+m8AWxus4= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:22:23 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84c90f5cdec_5b19b41213d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:22:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84c90f5cdec_5b19b41213d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As for MUST vs SHOULD, I don't have a strong opinion but I'm attracted to the idea of the client and server requirements being symmetric, although in practice the client will have to pad and the server won't. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707352070 ----==_mimepart_5f84c90f5cdec_5b19b41213d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As for MUST vs SHOULD, I don't have a strong opinion but I'm attracted to the idea of the client and server requirements being symmetric, although in practice the client will have to pad and the server won't.

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----==_mimepart_5f84c90f5cdec_5b19b41213d5-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 14:56:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6AE3A0A68 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:56:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iXV6FzaH_9K1 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01A2A3A0A4A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-0b9e139.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.43]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 308F8600D46 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602539770; bh=QwAvfPhIu+t/gwkmeh6HwbY6+jMYP73G5Tiouc1zlKM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1y1GQyRAVUR1Eal5Zx4TDzenr1sxLJpshxdpduTpiEUG2xDUlMhHqr6jKqrVmkpsq 1Lixhu/XbziAUngMEbCt+4FCIlVG1rhcAEnF/wpY31UJWn04YxE3P6vZUAuohPUQ2y jU342xEMUbYwFWCWuBt0YOL22r+at+7PQGyQmuKE= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:56:10 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84d0fa2c0e4_3f19b439650"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:56:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84d0fa2c0e4_3f19b439650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like @martinduke's proposal of `any datagram that contains an Initial Packet MUST be at least 1200 Bytes unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.`. To respond to @kazuho: - I think a MUST isn't going to be problematic here, we can tell clients to not enforce this MUST for now. Getting the final spec in the right shape is more important than what implementors will do before we ship the spec - I don't think we should take into consideration the performance of servers that don't coalesce - coalescing is pretty much required for performance - If a server is about to send an INITIAL-ACK-only packet, it should coalesce as much of its full first flight with that as possible! The requirement for 1200 bytes doesn't mean they have to be wasted PADDING bytes -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707365600 ----==_mimepart_5f84d0fa2c0e4_3f19b439650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I like @martinduke's proposal of any datagram that contains an Initial Packet MUST be at least 1200 Bytes unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame..

To respond to @kazuho:

  • I think a MUST isn't going to be problematic here, we can tell clients to not enforce this MUST for now. Getting the final spec in the right shape is more important than what implementors will do before we ship the spec
  • I don't think we should take into consideration the performance of servers that don't coalesce - coalescing is pretty much required for performance
  • If a server is about to send an INITIAL-ACK-only packet, it should coalesce as much of its full first flight with that as possible! The requirement for 1200 bytes doesn't mean they have to be wasted PADDING bytes

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----==_mimepart_5f84d0fa2c0e4_3f19b439650-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 15:08:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3703A0B40 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kqsNwx8Y-qSQ for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D864B3A08DC for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4c2557c.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.24.90]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AAA7056002A for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:08:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602540504; bh=02kmVrRmrsiWNljCsRMFsYJX23t1u5qlV+I1L+dSPQM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M7t98K1U4LMGMnj86Iuvvqpk9tnx32dHYLsbksYZnbhYpO6lI8L0ic51wc43bD5O1 wB+DXHfe/6TsqTl13BVRh0OhGpmtdSU1JYX4scENCd61N99Znh2T5IXXqQVc4nCLeV 8SlVN6vsA1Mgq2W6FJd7gjzf73B9LbnoA2dYB0PA= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:08:24 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84d3d8a7130_36a19b412397c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:08:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84d3d8a7130_36a19b412397c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies, I'm catching up on this. I support @martinduke suggestion and I believe it's either exactly what we do today or what we intend to do. It seems this aligns with @mjoras implementation experience as well. In terms of the fast Initial retransmission optimization, I thought there was already text that caused that to only be exercised once per connection, to avoid various ping-pong issues? If not, I'd support adding that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707369846 ----==_mimepart_5f84d3d8a7130_36a19b412397c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Apologies, I'm catching up on this. I support @martinduke suggestion and I believe it's either exactly what we do today or what we intend to do. It seems this aligns with @mjoras implementation experience as well.

In terms of the fast Initial retransmission optimization, I thought there was already text that caused that to only be exercised once per connection, to avoid various ping-pong issues? If not, I'd support adding that.

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----==_mimepart_5f84d3d8a7130_36a19b412397c-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 15:11:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625103A0B41 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JcyFj0gTt7X9 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86B463A0B40 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fb13474.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.53]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B3C0F900D5C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602540667; bh=cELtOFsE7jguwRf4P+lUCwzELKdyDAdFNe5gfHWCb2w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vLE368smFaaAU0hln4k9CMGoIVMqMNpzHHXCqq3XLHeSIw+Ywl94qqQ60g4h2c0J2 Mrf7eGYc63PPhJzRgNP8WggFNu9/Zn3ME7BhUfT/9pPxhRZBMlzzQKR9ZMgejBdxk3 2W6AbGJOXUkNxb0eUM6Y23dzWtL2hF6Yq726hBrc= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:11:07 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84d47bb068f_43519b41666c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:11:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84d47bb068f_43519b41666c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing FWIW, I am happy with this being limited to once. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#discussion_r503559444 ----==_mimepart_5f84d47bb068f_43519b41666c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

FWIW, I am happy with this being limited to once.

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----==_mimepart_5f84d47bb068f_43519b41666c5-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 15:19:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F023A0B65 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7iqKbrX_09Os for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 966A23A0B5C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c75490e.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.113.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C656E600DE8 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:19:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602541143; bh=WCMauaEKWhbRmOy+w1/+SqadqWWE4tvDqaAFgYBzdVM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c+ic3ePeqTrE0wqIcN//95N/NEax7B62YotKeRRuPr0OMQJa+b70tSS96HXKX9/Zo W4rAXeC4LpY872XRSPBBrJ1uqv/gpJ2AtOV+PZLJrFoyLqdMjw/dI+aqtrDII7Zkwp 5DTxtlgjlCu/9bZn+ysNBKDcI1w3tZ9cyIrdjxyM= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:19:03 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84d657c1916_4519b4624f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:19:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84d657c1916_4519b4624f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. Some comments, but I agree this is a real issue, which for some reason I thought we already dealt with correctly. > +Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial +packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as +necessary. A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more @martinduke suggestion: ```suggestion Any datagram that contains an Initial packet MUST be at least 1200 Bytes unless the packet contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more ``` > @@ -4099,8 +4101,9 @@ bytes. A server MAY also immediately close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close-hs}}. -The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the -address of the client; see {{address-validation}}. +Until the server validates the client address, it MUST limit the I don't think this change is necessary anymore. > @@ -1920,10 +1920,12 @@ that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain packets that are all discarded. -Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP -payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary. -A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to -send more data prior to completing address validation. +Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial +packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as +necessary. A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more I think making a carve-out for ACK-only packets sounds attractive, but it could result in the client sending an Initial, getting it acknowledged, but not receiving the server's Initial. Then things get complex to reason about. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I lean towards not being overly proscriptive here. We could elaborate on the pros and cons of smaller and larger values if you think that is necessary? Exponential backoff is clearly critical, but it's less clear to me that the CWND really needs to be collapsed in these situations.

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As it stands, the statement uses the neutral word 'adjust' which does not imply up or down. I think this is appropriate and given this is more of a research project, I'd prefer to keep the text approximately as is.

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----==_mimepart_5f84e0a455fc2_5719b4138126-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 16:20:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CAC3A0CE1 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DOB4qPyDbRX3 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9402C3A0CDC for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-48ab108.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.14]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B52EE5207F4 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602544820; bh=XV3THi2wmUltugdUKYHjhTlAlSKWP3Q5134kLlHve+c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GvkAp4Xhv3UkwoLmlftcfWauRlKjo8glykrkVtWGcaUyht8n1CIPbMHdS49P+cT8/ P0rtR2vai3JHgzUlNPgf5KiAeBdFaNAhVnv9SUQhM4PxFm+pJHZXfMAKA8fv5E+h9b tAcB8WPUtEUKQG3tQ8o4VytgUaqaGYyHcT1WVYFE= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:20:20 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84e4b4b0332_5f19b4944eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 23:20:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84e4b4b0332_5f19b4944eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would respond to @DavidSchinazi as I think his comments breaks ups the point in a very good way. > * I think a MUST isn't going to be problematic here, we can tell clients to not enforce this MUST for now. Getting the final spec in the right shape is more important than what implementors will do before we ship the spec If we are going to make the specification in the right shape, I actually (slightly) prefer requiring servers (or both endpoints) to always use full-sized packets until they receive an ACK (or until some later point; e.g., path being validated). Doing so gives us the guarantee that none of the packets would pass through a path that cannot handle QUIC traffic. Compared to that, just requiring Initial to be padded is a half-baked solution, especially when we consider the fact that we suggest the receipt of Handshake packets implies the loss of Initial packets. > * I don't think we should take into consideration the performance of servers that don't coalesce - coalescing is pretty much required for performance My understanding has been that non-coalescing endpoints are considered first-class citizens; I would rather not revisit the requirements (or what we consider as reasonable) at this stage. > * If a server is about to send an INITIAL-ACK-only packet, it should coalesce as much of its full first flight with that as possible! The requirement for 1200 bytes doesn't mean they have to be wasted PADDING bytes The problem with ACK-only packet is not in the first flight. It is in the second flight. The problem of mandating all Initial packets to be padded is that, when loss of ServerHello is involved, we might start seeing servers spending 3 RTTs to complete the handshake rather than 2 RTTs. Consider the case where the size of the server's certificate chain is between 2 MTU and 3 MTU. When receiving the client's first Initial packet, the server sends a three datagrams: Initial+Handshake, Handshake, Handshake. Let's say that at least the first datagram was lost. Assuming that the endpoints do not implement the MAY in [section 6.2.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#name-speeding-up-handshake-compl), the client retransmits the Initial packet when its PTO timer expires. At 50% probability, this packet will be delivered to the server before the server's PTO timer expires for the server's first flight. That means that the server will be sending an ACK-only packet at 50% probability, in which case, there would be only 2 MTU worth of window when the server's PTO timer expires, meaning that the server will be incapable of sending all the TLS handshake messages in its second flight. I'm not sure if this is the only problem that we have. Anyways, to summarize, my hesitation against a "MUST pad all Initial packets" is that it is likely going to have unnecessary negative consequences on the handshake latency; my preference goes to minimizing the impact of the change at a moment when we are rolling out QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707392731 ----==_mimepart_5f84e4b4b0332_5f19b4944eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would respond to @DavidSchinazi as I think his comments breaks ups the point in a very good way.

  • I think a MUST isn't going to be problematic here, we can tell clients to not enforce this MUST for now. Getting the final spec in the right shape is more important than what implementors will do before we ship the spec

If we are going to make the specification in the right shape, I actually (slightly) prefer requiring servers (or both endpoints) to always use full-sized packets until they receive an ACK (or until some later point; e.g., path being validated). Doing so gives us the guarantee that none of the packets would pass through a path that cannot handle QUIC traffic.

Compared to that, just requiring Initial to be padded is a half-baked solution, especially when we consider the fact that we suggest the receipt of Handshake packets implies the loss of Initial packets.

  • I don't think we should take into consideration the performance of servers that don't coalesce - coalescing is pretty much required for performance

My understanding has been that non-coalescing endpoints are considered first-class citizens; I would rather not revisit the requirements (or what we consider as reasonable) at this stage.

  • If a server is about to send an INITIAL-ACK-only packet, it should coalesce as much of its full first flight with that as possible! The requirement for 1200 bytes doesn't mean they have to be wasted PADDING bytes

The problem with ACK-only packet is not in the first flight. It is in the second flight.

The problem of mandating all Initial packets to be padded is that, when loss of ServerHello is involved, we might start seeing servers spending 3 RTTs to complete the handshake rather than 2 RTTs.

Consider the case where the size of the server's certificate chain is between 2 MTU and 3 MTU. When receiving the client's first Initial packet, the server sends a three datagrams: Initial+Handshake, Handshake, Handshake. Let's say that at least the first datagram was lost.

Assuming that the endpoints do not implement the MAY in section 6.2.3, the client retransmits the Initial packet when its PTO timer expires.

At 50% probability, this packet will be delivered to the server before the server's PTO timer expires for the server's first flight. That means that the server will be sending an ACK-only packet at 50% probability, in which case, there would be only 2 MTU worth of window when the server's PTO timer expires, meaning that the server will be incapable of sending all the TLS handshake messages in its second flight.

I'm not sure if this is the only problem that we have.

Anyways, to summarize, my hesitation against a "MUST pad all Initial packets" is that it is likely going to have unnecessary negative consequences on the handshake latency; my preference goes to minimizing the impact of the change at a moment when we are rolling out QUIC.

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Google has always been padding all Initial packets to full size, so if this causes major issues, it'd be helpful to see an A/B experiment that demonstrated the problem.

To me, the issues you're outlining are related to the amplification factor, which I agree is fairly conservative and it would not be surprising if a larger number(ie: 5 or 10) is accepted as the norm in server deployments.

As you stated, if servers do implement the MAY, this is not a significant issue.

I'm unclear on why "MUST pad all Initial packets" could be an issue. Typically Initial packets are coalesced with Handshake packets, so the padding is either nonexistent or not that significant.

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Doing so gives us the guarantee that none of the packets would pass through a path that cannot handle QUIC traffic. > > Compared to that, just requiring Initial to be padded is a half-baked solution, especially when we consider the fact that we suggest the receipt of Handshake packets implies the loss of Initial packets. I don't think I understand this. Putting the requirement on INITIAL packets is a complete solution - it's not possible to decrypt a packet from any other packet number space without having first successfully decrypted and parsed at least one INITIAL packet. Am I missing something? > > > * I don't think we should take into consideration the performance of servers that don't coalesce - coalescing is pretty much required for performance > > My understanding has been that non-coalescing endpoints are considered first-class citizens; I would rather not revisit the requirements (or what we consider as reasonable) at this stage. I'll agree with that, but non-coalescing endpoints aren't getting the performance they could get with coalescing regardless of this issue, so if they care about performance they can implement it. > The problem with ACK-only packet is not in the first flight. It is in the second flight. > > The problem of mandating all Initial packets to be padded is that, when loss of ServerHello is involved, we might start seeing servers spending 3 RTTs to complete the handshake rather than 2 RTTs. > > Consider the case where the size of the server's certificate chain is between 2 MTU and 3 MTU. When receiving the client's first Initial packet, the server sends a three datagrams: Initial+Handshake, Handshake, Handshake. Let's say that at least the first datagram was lost. > > Assuming that the endpoints do not implement the MAY in [section 6.2.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#name-speeding-up-handshake-compl), the client retransmits the Initial packet when its PTO timer expires. > > At 50% probability, this packet will be delivered to the server before the server's PTO timer expires for the server's first flight. That means that the server will be sending an ACK-only packet at 50% probability, in which case, there would be only 2 MTU worth of window when the server's PTO timer expires, meaning that the server will be incapable of sending all the TLS handshake messages in its second flight. Can you elaborate? If the server receives a retransmission of the ClientHello, and this server cares about the number of round trips involved in handshakes, then it should retransmit its ServerHello with this ACK because that's a pretty good signal that the ServerHello was lost. > I'm not sure if this is the only problem that we have. That's totally fair, but I have the same intuition with any ACK-based or path-validation-based solution because they're way harder to reason about. > Anyways, to summarize, my hesitation against a "MUST pad all Initial packets" is that it is likely going to have unnecessary negative consequences on the handshake latency; my preference goes to minimizing the impact of the change at a moment when we are rolling out QUIC. Given that multiple widely deployed stacks operate this way today, I'm not convinced about these negative consequences being a problem in reality. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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If we are going to make the specification in the right shape, I actually (slightly) prefer requiring servers (or both endpoints) to always use full-sized packets until they receive an ACK (or until some later point; e.g., path being validated). Doing so gives us the guarantee that none of the packets would pass through a path that cannot handle QUIC traffic.

Compared to that, just requiring Initial to be padded is a half-baked solution, especially when we consider the fact that we suggest the receipt of Handshake packets implies the loss of Initial packets.

I don't think I understand this. Putting the requirement on INITIAL packets is a complete solution - it's not possible to decrypt a packet from any other packet number space without having first successfully decrypted and parsed at least one INITIAL packet. Am I missing something?

  • I don't think we should take into consideration the performance of servers that don't coalesce - coalescing is pretty much required for performance

My understanding has been that non-coalescing endpoints are considered first-class citizens; I would rather not revisit the requirements (or what we consider as reasonable) at this stage.

I'll agree with that, but non-coalescing endpoints aren't getting the performance they could get with coalescing regardless of this issue, so if they care about performance they can implement it.

The problem with ACK-only packet is not in the first flight. It is in the second flight.

The problem of mandating all Initial packets to be padded is that, when loss of ServerHello is involved, we might start seeing servers spending 3 RTTs to complete the handshake rather than 2 RTTs.

Consider the case where the size of the server's certificate chain is between 2 MTU and 3 MTU. When receiving the client's first Initial packet, the server sends a three datagrams: Initial+Handshake, Handshake, Handshake. Let's say that at least the first datagram was lost.

Assuming that the endpoints do not implement the MAY in section 6.2.3, the client retransmits the Initial packet when its PTO timer expires.

At 50% probability, this packet will be delivered to the server before the server's PTO timer expires for the server's first flight. That means that the server will be sending an ACK-only packet at 50% probability, in which case, there would be only 2 MTU worth of window when the server's PTO timer expires, meaning that the server will be incapable of sending all the TLS handshake messages in its second flight.

Can you elaborate? If the server receives a retransmission of the ClientHello, and this server cares about the number of round trips involved in handshakes, then it should retransmit its ServerHello with this ACK because that's a pretty good signal that the ServerHello was lost.

I'm not sure if this is the only problem that we have.

That's totally fair, but I have the same intuition with any ACK-based or path-validation-based solution because they're way harder to reason about.

Anyways, to summarize, my hesitation against a "MUST pad all Initial packets" is that it is likely going to have unnecessary negative consequences on the handshake latency; my preference goes to minimizing the impact of the change at a moment when we are rolling out QUIC.

Given that multiple widely deployed stacks operate this way today, I'm not convinced about these negative consequences being a problem in reality.

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But that does not necessary mean that the specification is giving good advice. In fact, the draft is very lux about when you can retransmit during the handshake; what you have as an evidence is that _one_ pair of endpoints implementing particular strategy works fine. That's very different from making sure that any pair of endpoints implementing various "reasonable" strategies work fine. >> If we are going to make the specification in the right shape, I actually (slightly) prefer requiring servers (or both endpoints) to always use full-sized packets until they receive an ACK (or until some later point; e.g., path being validated). Doing so gives us the guarantee that none of the packets would pass through a path that cannot handle QUIC traffic. >> >> Compared to that, just requiring Initial to be padded is a half-baked solution, especially when we consider the fact that we suggest the receipt of Handshake packets implies the loss of Initial packets. > > I don't think I understand this. Putting the requirement on INITIAL packets is a complete solution - it's not possible to decrypt a packet from any other packet number space without having first successfully decrypted and parsed at least one INITIAL packet. Am I missing something? Consider the case where all the following stands: * server sends full-sized Initial packets, that gets dropped * server transmits half-sized Handshake packets, that is not dropped * client retransmits CRYPTO data when receiving a Handshake packet before obtaining Handshake keys (*) * server retransmits Initial and Handshake packets when it receives duplicate CRYPTO data (**) This set of behavior is permitted in status quo, and that causes ping-pong. This is one of the issue we are trying to resolve. We can provide guidelines that would not cause ping-pong. But that's fragile when endpoints are incentivized to use signals other than ACKs to trigger retransmission. A more reliable way of preventing ping-pong is to prevent not only Initial packets but also Handshake packets and 1-RTT packets from passing through. > If the server receives a retransmission of the ClientHello, and this server cares about the number of round trips involved in handshakes, then it should retransmit its ServerHello with this ACK because that's a pretty good signal that the ServerHello was lost. I'm happy to point out that we already have that advice in the recovery draft. However, it is a MAY. I'm not sure if we can assume that all the QUIC servers to implement such strategy. What I do not understand is the benefit of using a MUST rather than "SHOULD pad Initial packets," when using a MUST can hurt the performance of endpoints that obey to the specification. 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@ianswett @DavidSchinazi I understand that you are not having issues with your deployments (and I am glad to hear that). But that does not necessary mean that the specification is giving good advice. In fact, the draft is very lux about when you can retransmit during the handshake; what you have as an evidence is that one pair of endpoints implementing particular strategy works fine. That's very different from making sure that any pair of endpoints implementing various "reasonable" strategies work fine.

If we are going to make the specification in the right shape, I actually (slightly) prefer requiring servers (or both endpoints) to always use full-sized packets until they receive an ACK (or until some later point; e.g., path being validated). Doing so gives us the guarantee that none of the packets would pass through a path that cannot handle QUIC traffic.

Compared to that, just requiring Initial to be padded is a half-baked solution, especially when we consider the fact that we suggest the receipt of Handshake packets implies the loss of Initial packets.

I don't think I understand this. Putting the requirement on INITIAL packets is a complete solution - it's not possible to decrypt a packet from any other packet number space without having first successfully decrypted and parsed at least one INITIAL packet. Am I missing something?

Consider the case where all the following stands:

  • server sends full-sized Initial packets, that gets dropped
  • server transmits half-sized Handshake packets, that is not dropped
  • client retransmits CRYPTO data when receiving a Handshake packet before obtaining Handshake keys (*)
  • server retransmits Initial and Handshake packets when it receives duplicate CRYPTO data (**)

This set of behavior is permitted in status quo, and that causes ping-pong. This is one of the issue we are trying to resolve.

We can provide guidelines that would not cause ping-pong. But that's fragile when endpoints are incentivized to use signals other than ACKs to trigger retransmission. A more reliable way of preventing ping-pong is to prevent not only Initial packets but also Handshake packets and 1-RTT packets from passing through.

If the server receives a retransmission of the ClientHello, and this server cares about the number of round trips involved in handshakes, then it should retransmit its ServerHello with this ACK because that's a pretty good signal that the ServerHello was lost.

I'm happy to point out that we already have that advice in the recovery draft. However, it is a MAY. I'm not sure if we can assume that all the QUIC servers to implement such strategy.

What I do not understand is the benefit of using a MUST rather than "SHOULD pad Initial packets," when using a MUST can hurt the performance of endpoints that obey to the specification.

Are you implying that some clients consider the server as alive when it receives the first packet that is decryptable, rather than when receiving the first packet that is bound to the connection (e.g., an undecryptable Handshake packet)?

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----==_mimepart_5f84f4a594c8f_4719b41468b4-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 17:38:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4054C3A0A10 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hzpG-iVUU_1T for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF39C3A09EC for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-b90b667.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.100.63]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 54BF752009E for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:37:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602549479; bh=uNMevsk8x6Z47s6zu3xjfTsVEnLidiJvcd01lWh3yII=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PtZRKdM+jwxSVavY+ZGTTOQ4hwkyey/5GnXR/0Du14OKIbY32VFHQ4K0ULHMWAPeI rNT47K8Ev0gypaj6MEyynvkZ81z/iGhxTT9LHjGtoTj7he6qD8ElyL5WqsKMsk9sDd gL6+FxtycDKMBCmF5VcXGtS776fWgF/L45L5ps6Q= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:37:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f84f6e750976_42f19b415219b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 00:38:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f84f6e750976_42f19b415219b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aside from Kazuho, who seems to want *more* packets to be padded, it seems like the current trend is toward more strongly mandating padding of Initial to >=1200 bytes. If we go with MUST, then I think we need to consider enforcement options at the client. I was happy with SHOULD on the understanding that this is a niche problem, but if we want to engage with the enforcement question, then I can live with MUST. The tweaks I'm seeing open are: 1. An exception for CONNECTION_CLOSE. This is good. 2. An exception for non-ack-eliciting Initial packets. This seems less necessary. I can see how it is appealing, but all these exclusions are mounting up and it's getting complicated. For David's benefit, the ACK-only carveout would allow a server to receive an Initial, send an ACK, then later send its own flight without having that ACK contribute too much toward the amplification limit. If the server has to go elsewhere to get certificates or signatures, that early ACK might be useful to a client; it gets min_rtt primed with a good value. The alternative is suppressing the ACK to avoid spending the 1200 bytes. Maybe we could unify these if we designated CONNECTION_CLOSE as non-ack-eliciting. Then we have an exception, and cause not to have the client enforce a minimum size on Initial-carrying datagrams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707415698 ----==_mimepart_5f84f6e750976_42f19b415219b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Aside from Kazuho, who seems to want more packets to be padded, it seems like the current trend is toward more strongly mandating padding of Initial to >=1200 bytes. If we go with MUST, then I think we need to consider enforcement options at the client. I was happy with SHOULD on the understanding that this is a niche problem, but if we want to engage with the enforcement question, then I can live with MUST.

The tweaks I'm seeing open are:

  1. An exception for CONNECTION_CLOSE. This is good.

  2. An exception for non-ack-eliciting Initial packets. This seems less necessary. I can see how it is appealing, but all these exclusions are mounting up and it's getting complicated.

For David's benefit, the ACK-only carveout would allow a server to receive an Initial, send an ACK, then later send its own flight without having that ACK contribute too much toward the amplification limit. If the server has to go elsewhere to get certificates or signatures, that early ACK might be useful to a client; it gets min_rtt primed with a good value. The alternative is suppressing the ACK to avoid spending the 1200 bytes.

Maybe we could unify these if we designated CONNECTION_CLOSE as non-ack-eliciting. Then we have an exception, and cause not to have the client enforce a minimum size on Initial-carrying datagrams.

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@martinthomson FWIW, my first preference goes to "SHOULD pad Initial", as that causes least amount of changes to existing stacks.

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When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing I implemented this last week, and it isn't quite as good if you only do it once. It's better than zero, but multiple times is also OK. The unlimited thing is the main problem. > @@ -1920,10 +1920,12 @@ that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain packets that are all discarded. -Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP -payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary. -A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to -send more data prior to completing address validation. +Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial +packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as +necessary. A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more I don't think that the special rules for ACK-only is enough to justify an exception. I could tolerate non-ack-eliciting packets being exempt from this padding rule, but it seems unnecessary. We already have one exception. > +Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial +packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as +necessary. A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more This CONNECTION_CLOSE thing is great. It also means that it avoids us having to grapple with enforcement of the minimum size at the client. Or at least, we can more directly recommend against enforcement. > @@ -4099,8 +4101,9 @@ bytes. A server MAY also immediately close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close-hs}}. -The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the -address of the client; see {{address-validation}}. +Until the server validates the client address, it MUST limit the I think that this is just a mistake. As we worked out, validation of the client address is not the signal we want (see Retry). There are two separate statements here: > The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the address of the client. And > The server MUST pad any datagram containing an Initial packet, unless it contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. (Or SHOULD for the second, depending on your priors.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#discussion_r503602206 ----==_mimepart_5f84fce45c54c_4d19b4766a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

I implemented this last week, and it isn't quite as good if you only do it once. It's better than zero, but multiple times is also OK. The unlimited thing is the main problem.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1920,10 +1920,12 @@ that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams
 that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain
 packets that are all discarded.
 
-Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP
-payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary.
-A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to
-send more data prior to completing address validation.
+Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial
+packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as
+necessary.  A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more

I don't think that the special rules for ACK-only is enough to justify an exception. I could tolerate non-ack-eliciting packets being exempt from this padding rule, but it seems unnecessary. We already have one exception.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial
+packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as
+necessary.  A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more

This CONNECTION_CLOSE thing is great. It also means that it avoids us having to grapple with enforcement of the minimum size at the client. Or at least, we can more directly recommend against enforcement.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4099,8 +4101,9 @@ bytes.  A server MAY also immediately close the connection by sending a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see
 {{immediate-close-hs}}.
 
-The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the
-address of the client; see {{address-validation}}.
+Until the server validates the client address, it MUST limit the

I think that this is just a mistake. As we worked out, validation of the client address is not the signal we want (see Retry). There are two separate statements here:

The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the address of the client.

And

The server MUST pad any datagram containing an Initial packet, unless it contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

(Or SHOULD for the second, depending on your priors.)

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----==_mimepart_5f84fce45c54c_4d19b4766a2-- From nobody Mon Oct 12 19:21:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EBF3A0DA2 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D9LtaiHVmNQs for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3C903A0DA1 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-41fe3ef.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.21.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 23B265E0088 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:21:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602555664; bh=6hSMFHTZDWxNNLxbSjM5scXw6E4ILrosieO7GRZTTnY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0arg5lYAQj+Mqd5zmf9uAFrC4li5M3Q+DjOa4ak5JqJgRuZtHgnVcsIlb5FW/T4NI XD1sa5njRbe6whEPVaZGOHLsia8XizSgeNYaR0ZnhaC7GXErVNN0VGA1yfIm1kytt5 T9nwH3A8/25c3U1um9MYyUV4ZzmTKVAGynutjr80= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:21:04 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f850f101d5e4_5a19b4160228"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 02:21:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f850f101d5e4_5a19b4160228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we might be losing the core problem here; I'll try to restate it, with the hope of driving towards a simpler resolution. We currently require the client to confirm that the path from it to the server supports a PMTU of at least 1200 bytes (here): ``` A client MUST expand the payload of all UDP datagrams carrying Initial packets to at least the smallest allowed maximum packet size (1200 bytes) ``` There is however no requirement in the spec that the server confirm that the path from it to the client be at least 1200 bytes. This can lead to a situation where asymmetric path MTUs can cause strange partial failures. This is not theoretical; we are seeing this at our servers with production traffic, where some paths (predominantly in Europe) in practice have a lower than 1200-byte MTU. At a minimum, we need to add a requirement that ensures that the handshake fails under these conditions. This allows a client to fall back to TCP. This is a MUST-level design change if we don't want the connection to fail later or perform miserably later. I propose the following two options: 1. Partial failures are more painful and problematic than complete failures. So, ideally, if the server's max packet size is not supported by the path, I would like to have _no_ packet be received by a client than some packets be received. A server that is concerned about performance with padding ACK-only packets from the server in the first flight can choose to never send an ACK-only packet until the path is validated -- the client cannot make forward progress until it receives some data from the server anyways, so receiving the ACK does not do much (yes, it reduces the number of retransmissions from the client, but that is a small side effect.) A concern here is that the change might be too disruptive, this late in the game. 2. We can simply state that our requirement is that the handshake MUST fail -- that the server MUST confirm that the path supports the minimum 1200-byte MTU, and cause the handshake to fail if not. We can then suggest ways in which the server can accomplish this: by padding all ack-eliciting Initial packets, by padding all packets until path validation, etc. This leaves room for implementers to do different things (as they might already be doing right now), and therefore will be a less disruptive change. This can cause wastage of packets, for example when implementers only pad Initial packets (we've seen this), but that's fine, since the handshake does fail eventually. At this point, I'd like to go with option (2) above. Thoughts? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707443155 ----==_mimepart_5f850f101d5e4_5a19b4160228 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think we might be losing the core problem here; I'll try to restate it, with the hope of driving towards a simpler resolution.

We currently require the client to confirm that the path from it to the server supports a PMTU of at least 1200 bytes (here):

A client MUST expand the payload of all UDP datagrams carrying Initial packets
to at least the smallest allowed maximum packet size (1200 bytes)

There is however no requirement in the spec that the server confirm that the path from it to the client be at least 1200 bytes. This can lead to a situation where asymmetric path MTUs can cause strange partial failures. This is not theoretical; we are seeing this at our servers with production traffic, where some paths (predominantly in Europe) in practice have a lower than 1200-byte MTU.

At a minimum, we need to add a requirement that ensures that the handshake fails under these conditions. This allows a client to fall back to TCP. This is a MUST-level design change if we don't want the connection to fail later or perform miserably later.

I propose the following two options:

  1. Partial failures are more painful and problematic than complete failures. So, ideally, if the server's max packet size is not supported by the path, I would like to have no packet be received by a client than some packets be received. A server that is concerned about performance with padding ACK-only packets from the server in the first flight can choose to never send an ACK-only packet until the path is validated -- the client cannot make forward progress until it receives some data from the server anyways, so receiving the ACK does not do much (yes, it reduces the number of retransmissions from the client, but that is a small side effect.) A concern here is that the change might be too disruptive, this late in the game.

  2. We can simply state that our requirement is that the handshake MUST fail -- that the server MUST confirm that the path supports the minimum 1200-byte MTU, and cause the handshake to fail if not. We can then suggest ways in which the server can accomplish this: by padding all ack-eliciting Initial packets, by padding all packets until path validation, etc. This leaves room for implementers to do different things (as they might already be doing right now), and therefore will be a less disruptive change. This can cause wastage of packets, for example when implementers only pad Initial packets (we've seen this), but that's fine, since the handshake does fail eventually.

At this point, I'd like to go with option (2) above. Thoughts?

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I am really just trying to asses if there are significant risks with any specific ranges of values. For example causing very bursty behavior that could be considered harmful or becoming extremely aggressive after a persistent congestion event, in those cases some text may be necessary.

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----==_mimepart_5f855878bd066_5619b41076dc-- From nobody Tue Oct 13 05:27:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348763A0F94 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7oYEnl17kT2a for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 792953A0832 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-2c3ce2a.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.112.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9AEB6600056 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:27:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602592040; bh=HPus2jXmVTGG8auAXSgNcWrYSZtcT8JCgNzcYZgK4Qk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EK1FisxbSIMNKRnrMtToOiIIgZJvoJ4MailDRxKHR99GcGvwdyVNMmcp3GekYrv2n 5HLXGTLApeT5BjaFnSREM27fgLvChoGvN5yYlHt4mzlIYX02VpSG+TwewGeWqRxSCY FSbhN63KLWAT/18oTVlypaofj49ygBgRV6P6Dgps= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:27:20 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS-31: Usage of HKDF is vague (#4197) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f859d2897378_5319b474865"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:27:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f859d2897378_5319b474865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 5.2: The secret used by clients to construct Initial packets uses the PRK and the label "client in" as input to the HKDF-Expand-Label function to produce a 32 byte secret; packets constructed by the server use the same process with the label "server in". The hash function for HKDF when deriving initial secrets and keys is SHA-256 [SHA]. Looking at RFC 5689 the HKDF-Expand function defines what is referenced as label as "info" input. It is a string. It is unclear that this is an ASCII string, but based on what is written it looks like something where each character is an octet is assumed, thus no UTF-16 or UTF-32 strings would work as intended. If I am correct I think the draft can be improved by being explicit like in TLS that the label used as input into the functions as ASCII. So adding something like this sentence from RFC8446 is likely appropriate: The labels specified in this document are all ASCII strings and do not include a trailing NUL byte. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4197 ----==_mimepart_5f859d2897378_5319b474865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 5.2:

The secret used by clients to construct Initial packets uses the PRK and the label "client in" as input to the HKDF-Expand-Label function to produce a 32 byte secret; packets constructed by the server use the same process with the label "server in". The hash function for HKDF when deriving initial secrets and keys is SHA-256 [SHA].

Looking at RFC 5689 the HKDF-Expand function defines what is referenced as label as "info" input. It is a string. It is unclear that this is an ASCII string, but based on what is written it looks like something where each character is an octet is assumed, thus no UTF-16 or UTF-32 strings would work as intended.

If I am correct I think the draft can be improved by being explicit like in TLS that the label used as input into the functions as ASCII. So adding something like this sentence from RFC8446 is likely appropriate:

The labels specified in this document are all ASCII strings and do not
include a trailing NUL byte.

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----==_mimepart_5f859d2897378_5319b474865-- From nobody Tue Oct 13 05:36:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545873A0F97 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:36:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JzzpKfBwKPAV for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9E943A0E8C for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-b6208ef.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.120.21]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BA6D1521594 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:36:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602592567; bh=SggFLHu+rDcD+rknk1iFmJfT/LA4nzwGaxjyhB0v8fI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YnqYFgaDCUc30516sMbzYir9LR0GVeW4WICrZIjQCi0rh/FNV+U4z/WxHXsR4JtIU zW+P2PrP+pNA9neIG1fghhCd47iGGUELwv1+o77ayjO3TLWv9z14KP358YJOSe+t2f aWEnh19ivXL294R80ywJW8jh3CCtuM5nSz2xwGpE= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 05:36:07 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS-31: Usage of HKDF is vague (#4197) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f859f37b6e17_4219b41062db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:36:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f859f37b6e17_4219b41062db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually I think I understand what the issue is: Lets look at these three paragraphs in Section 5.2: This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of [HKDF]) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899 and a IKM of the Destination Connection ID field. This produces an intermediate pseudorandom key (PRK) that is used to derive two separate secrets for sending and receiving. The secret used by clients to construct Initial packets uses the PRK and the label "client in" as input to the HKDF-Expand-Label function to produce a 32 byte secret; packets constructed by the server use the same process with the label "server in". The hash function for HKDF when deriving initial secrets and keys is SHA-256 [SHA]. The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial packets even where the TLS versions offered do not include TLS 1.3. I got the impression that the HKDF-Expand function was the one from RFC5689 and not the one from TLS1.3. So I think what is needed to clarify this is that the second paragraph needs to explicitly provide the HKDF-Expand-label function with section and document reference. I still think it should be made clear that the labels are ASCII, but that is clear in TLS 1.3 compared to RFC5689. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4197#issuecomment-707708747 ----==_mimepart_5f859f37b6e17_4219b41062db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Actually I think I understand what the issue is: Lets look at these three paragraphs in Section 5.2:

This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of [HKDF]) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899 and a IKM of the Destination Connection ID field. This produces an intermediate pseudorandom key (PRK) that is used to derive two separate secrets for sending and receiving.

The secret used by clients to construct Initial packets uses the PRK and the label "client in" as input to the HKDF-Expand-Label function to produce a 32 byte secret; packets constructed by the server use the same process with the label "server in". The hash function for HKDF when deriving initial secrets and keys is SHA-256 [SHA].

The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial packets even where the TLS versions offered do not include TLS 1.3.

I got the impression that the HKDF-Expand function was the one from RFC5689 and not the one from TLS1.3. So I think what is needed to clarify this is that the second paragraph needs to explicitly provide the HKDF-Expand-label function with section and document reference. I still think it should be made clear that the labels are ASCII, but that is clear in TLS 1.3 compared to RFC5689.

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----==_mimepart_5f859f37b6e17_4219b41062db-- From nobody Tue Oct 13 06:35:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8C83A0FD3 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 06:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IXa9MRN1wkPJ for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEBD03A0FD5 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3c10f5d.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.22]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0C3FC340EDF for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602596116; bh=7Kgd9sYKOKu30D/MVZRf0cVJdnih4Z3/NosMiER5J1I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BG7UigX7JzVO/e62G4CRJVHLhadMozzWqksTgUCyICYzNF2mFMa7AeL9hceAnS4j2 KNH8yEGPCToMw2y31cCfxoDKjmDXglzvIaT7K8Wm/2gXFJludwF+HElYRqm9fWb64u Fy6fW0n8tV+40l4Pti7cKMu6tukoP/nKXBvFhpig= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 06:35:16 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS-31: Figure 6 - header_protection function (#4198) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f85ad147e25_4919b411662"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:35:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f85ad147e25_4919b411662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 5.4.1, Figure 6: mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample) I think it is a bit unclear that the header_protection function is what is producing the stream cipher cipher text that will be masked and xored with the header bits. Especially as the instantiations of these functions for AES_GCM (Section 5.4.3) and ChaCha20 (Section 5.4.4) is not defined as instantiation of that function, only as providing the same variable output. I think this could be clarified in both places so that the linkage between the general application and the stream cipher producing function is clear. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4198 ----==_mimepart_5f85ad147e25_4919b411662 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 5.4.1, Figure 6:

mask = header_protection(hp_key, sample)

I think it is a bit unclear that the header_protection function is what is producing the stream cipher cipher text that will be masked and xored with the header bits. Especially as the instantiations of these functions for AES_GCM (Section 5.4.3) and ChaCha20 (Section 5.4.4) is not defined as instantiation of that function, only as providing the same variable output.

I think this could be clarified in both places so that the linkage between the general application and the stream cipher producing function is clear.

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Section 6.4:

An endpoint always sends packets that are protected with the newest keys. Keys used for packet protection can be discarded immediately after switching to newer keys.

I do get confused by the first sentence reference to "newest" key. So the previous section talks about the requirement that one retain the current and next key. If one have created the next key, then that key is newest. I don't think this is intention, but the text can be interpret that one need to switch to the next key as soon as one is allowed if one have created it. The only question is when it is created.

If I would guess the above section 6.4 sentence is to ensure that one never uses the previous key, if a key change has occurred. However, one should not be forced to switch to the next key unless the other side has switched or the key has exhausted its protection life time.

However, I think the current formulation can result in that an outside attacker that can inject a packet with a toggled key-phase bit can force an endpoint to switch its key, even if the peer hasn't initiated a key update. This simply by forcing it to generate it, and then have the packet integrity check to fail for the injected packet. Because now there is a newer "next key" in store.

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I was confused because I thought there was a way the handshake could succeed, but now rereading the thread it all makes way more sense :) So in effect, we have two problems on our hands with the spec as it is today. On a path where server-to-client doesn't support 1200 byte packets 1. the handshake could succeed and then application data will fail in odd ways 2. many packets can be wasted during the handshake before it inevitably fails I'm personally much more concerned about (1) but I agree that we should do something about (2). Because (1) can impact correctness (browsers cancel their TCP fallback when the handshake succeeds so we need to ensure that handshake success means requests can flow) and (2) only impacts performance, I'd be inclined to solve (1) with a MUST and (2) with a SHOULD. Therefore, we can solve (1) by saying servers MUST pad INITALs (with @martinduke's exception for CONNECTION_CLOSE and @martinthomson's second exception for non-ACK-eliciting). Then we solve (2) by tweaking [recovery 6.2.3](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-31#section-6.2.3) to say that endpoints SHOULD limit they number of times they use the MAY there per connection. @janaiyengar I conceptually agree with your principled approach (option 2), but I do worry about how that would look in practice. Saying that the server MUST ensure that the path supports 1200-byte packets is non-enforceable, so it reduces to saying the server SHOULD pad INITIAL (with exceptions) and doesn't address @kazuho's ping-pong. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707846998 ----==_mimepart_5f85d0d93a2dc_5f19b4652ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho thank you for the latest detailed explanation - I think I now understand what you're saying: padding INITIALs will successfully ensure that the handshake fails if the path doesn't support 1200 byte packets in both directions, but your concern is that a client that implements "always retransmit INITIAL CRYPTO when receiving undecryptable HANDSHAKE" will send quite a few retransmissions before giving up. I was confused because I thought there was a way the handshake could succeed, but now rereading the thread it all makes way more sense :) So in effect, we have two problems on our hands with the spec as it is today. On a path where server-to-client doesn't support 1200 byte packets

  1. the handshake could succeed and then application data will fail in odd ways
  2. many packets can be wasted during the handshake before it inevitably fails

I'm personally much more concerned about (1) but I agree that we should do something about (2). Because (1) can impact correctness (browsers cancel their TCP fallback when the handshake succeeds so we need to ensure that handshake success means requests can flow) and (2) only impacts performance, I'd be inclined to solve (1) with a MUST and (2) with a SHOULD.

Therefore, we can solve (1) by saying servers MUST pad INITALs (with @martinduke's exception for CONNECTION_CLOSE and @martinthomson's second exception for non-ACK-eliciting). Then we solve (2) by tweaking recovery 6.2.3 to say that endpoints SHOULD limit they number of times they use the MAY there per connection.

@janaiyengar I conceptually agree with your principled approach (option 2), but I do worry about how that would look in practice. Saying that the server MUST ensure that the path supports 1200-byte packets is non-enforceable, so it reduces to saying the server SHOULD pad INITIAL (with exceptions) and doesn't address @kazuho's ping-pong.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4099,8 +4101,9 @@ bytes.  A server MAY also immediately close the connection by sending a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see
 {{immediate-close-hs}}.
 
-The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the
-address of the client; see {{address-validation}}.
+Until the server validates the client address, it MUST limit the

I agree with @martinthomson. The amplification limit disappears when the server validates the address. The padding requirement/recommendation applies to all Initial packets, because you still have to probe the MTU, and the client is often not sure if the server has validated it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1920,10 +1920,12 @@ that are uniquely attributed to a single connection. This includes datagrams
 that contain packets that are successfully processed and datagrams that contain
 packets that are all discarded.
 
-Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial packets have UDP
-payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary.
-A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to
-send more data prior to completing address validation.
+Clients MUST and servers SHOULD ensure that UDP datagrams containing Initial
+packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as
+necessary.  A client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more

Endpoints that don't coalesce are already trading performance for simplicity. The added sacrifice here isn't that large.

  1. Clients: if it only receives an Initial, padding is critical to raising the amplification limit. If it gets a Handshake packet too, it will momentarily send a Handshake ACK that will allow it to free the Initial context and get the cwnd back.

  2. Servers: If the client has a valid Retry or NEW_TOKEN token, there is no amplification limit. So the performance penalty only applies to a non-coalescing server when:
    (a) There is no token, AND the Initial padding causes the handshake flight to go over the amplification limit.
    (b) The initial padding causes the handshake flight to go over the initial cwnd.
    I find it hard to believe a server deeply concerned about these losses would not coalesce packets for other reasons.

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We've meandered to a route that AFAICT makes reference types accurate to their existing intent, or avoids them becoming normative. I'm happy for this to be editorials.

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@DavidSchinazi: Yes -- we have two issues.

I agree that MUST ensure that the path supports 1200-byte packets is unenforceable, but that's fine IMO, since a server not following this MUST is hurting itself. That said, in the interest of convergence, I'm ok with saying MUST pad INITIAL packets unless it contains a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

My goal was to avoid making a specific carve-out for ACK packets, since this is a performance-related carve-out as well. I'm also not confident that we understand how different client implementations might react to receiving ACKs but not receiving any other packet. I'm not sure how helpful the suggestion of "limit the number of times clients use the MAY" is without something more specific.

For the performance issue, I'm inclined to suggest that servers pad all packets (except those carrying CONNECTION_CLOSE) and avoid sending ACK-only packets until path validation is complete. The only issue here is delaying of ACKs, but (i) max_ack_delay does not apply to these ACKs, which makes any consequent large ack delay usable, and (ii) a client cannot make any forward progress with just the ACK anyway.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 13 13:50:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF743A1114 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:49:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zo8Or1IYU96B for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72FC33A08AB for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1da13dc.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.24.94]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B20CC52008F for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602622196; bh=gZm25lYSGWGrSdXZtRbSRnqv9vrVT/SEB5z6j1aIF2I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T2/tUnRh2cF8pWJ9WWaX1/erKrSo5cdbPu8Vjq2RMW03g0xrYjKA5a8HwRI9iw8dD su/FoIanxhC7wtInMB5W9/iuJNihTZYVj//jaEIbMsq9FfruFgtz1xd2+vsV5eRhs0 RTmLrpTsKviilEF3T8FAN6bHtNWf6SZa6pgL1WJA= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 13:49:56 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8612f4adfc7_4719b497573"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:49:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8612f4adfc7_4719b497573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing I really thought when we discussed this optimization, we said to only do this once, but either I'm misremembering or it never made it into the issue(#3080). @martinthomson Would the case it's not as good would be repeated loss of the server's Initial packet? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

I really thought when we discussed this optimization, we said to only do this once, but either I'm misremembering or it never made it into the issue(#3080).

@martinthomson Would the case it's not as good would be repeated loss of the server's Initial packet?

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There is an inconsistency in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-31 w.r.t. resetting PTO backoff factor. Section 6.2.1:

the PTO backoff is not reset at a client that is not yet certain that the server has finished validating the client's address. That is, a client does not reset the PTO backoff factor on receiving acknowledgements until the handshake is confirmed;...

This suggests that for a client to be certain that the server has finished validating the client's address, the handshake should have been confirmed.

However, the pseudo code uses PeerCompletedAddressValidation to determine whether to reset pto-count and PeerCompletedAddressValidation also checks for Handshake ACK received. That is not what the text in 6.2.1 says, as, according to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-31#section-4.1.2, the handshake is confirmed when HANDSHAKE_DONE is received or when a 1-RTT ack is received. That is a subtle difference.

As kazu noted in the discussion on Slack, Sec 8.1 of QUIC says: "Once the server has successfully processed a Handshake packet from the client, it can consider the client address to have been validated.", so, the client can consider that the server validated the client address when either ACK in Handshake or HANDSHAKE_DONE in 1-RTT is received. (See Figure 5 of TLS.) Hence, the pseudocode seems to be correct and that means the text in 6.2.1 should be corrected.

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----==_mimepart_5f8623534f359_4619b4882be-- From nobody Tue Oct 13 15:39:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA52D3A1160 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vGPVvLxLnMV8 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D23E43A0AA0 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-08ea375.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.116.40]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E6B1F840929 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602628747; bh=zeUVSKTdoKLbBBz2x52jL0Sm91Io4NGgapx9y0tijcs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zoVFdk9icqKLxid5F3Dw+v5rZr4ptdkAy8RecDxnuwU/AbwU1B0UPwDAb7eOtMOxJ 6y1bMfH++0KCdx0jIJ08Q4/9LPHYVi1F7s6LTwmjsnOPUvItdgjKdIpoe38mxBmp+z 3CWV7Ts2m0Ev9HXnRhJXXSkiNrMZ33lyTvf9w8+w= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:07 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Congestion control based on ACKs only to speed up? (#4194) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f862c8be0d4b_4c19b411893c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 22:39:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f862c8be0d4b_4c19b411893c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @ianswett. The sentence actually says what you want it to say, in that it doesn't specify a direction of adjustment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4194#issuecomment-708047367 ----==_mimepart_5f862c8be0d4b_4c19b411893c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @ianswett. The sentence actually says what you want it to say, in that it doesn't specify a direction of adjustment.

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I don't feel too strongly about the carveout for non-ACK-eliciting packets, so I'm OK with us landing the new "MUST pad INITIAL except CONNECTION_CLOSE" with or without the ACK carveout

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Maybe the text would be something like "to prevent the handshake from succeeding when the MTU of the return path is below 1200 bytes, a server MUST pad Initial packets that carry CRYPTO data." I think in practice that'd be equivalent to "MUST pad Initial expect CONNECTION_CLOSE or ACK-only." I think that [@janaiyengar's comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-707443155) was a good summary regarding the options we have: 1) prevent any packets from passing through 2) prevent the handshake from succeeding even though some packets could pass through. It seems to be that we are converging on the latter option. The downside of the latter option, as people have pointed out, is that we need to deal with ping-pong. I think there is an emerging cencensus to limit the number of times an endpoint can send probes before PTO expiration, the only remaining debate seems to be if that number should be one between @ianswett and @martinthomson. My argument against "MUST pad all Initial packets" has been that it is more than what we need for preventing the handshake to succeed. In particular, as I have stated previously, the need to pad ACK-only Initial packets has been the concern. While it is true that endpoints can always coalesce (by withholding ACKs as @janaiyengar points out), I do not think there is reason to sacrifice performance of those who do not. OTOH, endpoints have to prevent CRYPTO data from reaching the peer if it wants to prohibit the handshake from succeeding. That means that they have to _at least_ pad the packets that carry CRYPTO data. I think everybody will be fine with that being a requirement on Initial packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I don't feel too strongly about the carveout for non-ACK-eliciting packets, so I'm OK with us landing the new "MUST pad INITIAL except CONNECTION_CLOSE" with or without the ACK carveout

I would be fine with that with ACK being included as one of the exceptions. Maybe the text would be something like "to prevent the handshake from succeeding when the MTU of the return path is below 1200 bytes, a server MUST pad Initial packets that carry CRYPTO data." I think in practice that'd be equivalent to "MUST pad Initial expect CONNECTION_CLOSE or ACK-only."

I think that @janaiyengar's comment was a good summary regarding the options we have: 1) prevent any packets from passing through 2) prevent the handshake from succeeding even though some packets could pass through.

It seems to be that we are converging on the latter option.

The downside of the latter option, as people have pointed out, is that we need to deal with ping-pong. I think there is an emerging cencensus to limit the number of times an endpoint can send probes before PTO expiration, the only remaining debate seems to be if that number should be one between @ianswett and @martinthomson.

My argument against "MUST pad all Initial packets" has been that it is more than what we need for preventing the handshake to succeed. In particular, as I have stated previously, the need to pad ACK-only Initial packets has been the concern. While it is true that endpoints can always coalesce (by withholding ACKs as @janaiyengar points out), I do not think there is reason to sacrifice performance of those who do not.

OTOH, endpoints have to prevent CRYPTO data from reaching the peer if it wants to prohibit the handshake from succeeding. That means that they have to at least pad the packets that carry CRYPTO data. I think everybody will be fine with that being a requirement on Initial packets.

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My argument against "MUST pad all Initial packets" has been that it is more than what we need for preventing the handshake to succeed. In particular, as I have stated previously, the need to pad ACK-only Initial packets has been the concern. While it is true that endpoints can always coalesce (by withholding ACKs as @janaiyengar points out), I do not think there is reason to sacrifice performance of those who do not.

Part of the value of me is that we simplify the protocol by making the client and server requirements identical. As I argue in the PR reviews, I think the performance penalty is actually quite small.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

Yes, repeated loss is what I'm thinking about. This is likely rare, but early losses on a flow are more common. I don't have a firm opinion on this point. One is certainly better than none. But two doesn't seem to be a real problem either. For what it is worth, I send up to 4.

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Closes #4197. 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This was, I think clear, but the use of HKDF-Expand-Label and the
encoding of labels into octets could be even more explicit.

Closes #4197.

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Doubly so. Closes #4198. 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This could have been more explicit, so now it is. Doubly so.

Closes #4198.

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Never using old keys is a nice way of putting this. I'll make that change.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

In my experience looking at traces, losing two server Initials in a row is quite rare, and there's still PTO as a backup, so I'm still leaning towards limiting this to once. Maybe we can require limiting it and specify a RECOMMENDED value of 1 or 2?

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 13 17:19:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828AB3A1275 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:19:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gme2FOPQmirc for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D6023A1272 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f95a83c.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.101.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 413285E0808 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:19:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602634779; bh=2lomEWGHh9nH1CTKT7t1W5+gj0eg+UvqMOoKDC/6Dr8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VrGgJCDsim/ufcGNKlMXtDSzDa8Fjc/F0vy2JFJbczBdzC8a8fNsNc4Q9hl1pto1c kameuU8krIR+zGs2ELgq9P+Txm/YV+xVQI6517VXtsMhuQxi73IIgaChPdFT2Ubjf1 MPuX2BfXJfOr0PgE6hIvp4NovJCTbGlqb8p6oXg8= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:19:39 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS-31: Sending with Updated keys (#4199) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f86441b3d76c_1b9c19b437697"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 00:19:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f86441b3d76c_1b9c19b437697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the last point (which I glossed over initially, as it relates to a different concept), the attacker can *at best* force the installation of the next set of read keys and only if the receiver is willing to do so. Flipping the key phase bit has the effect of causing a receiver to select the previous or next read keys. If the receiver generates keys on demand (which is not a great idea, but some implementations do...), then it will generate those keys. That key generation should be a one-off event (we recommend saving keys in [S6.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#section-6.3-3)). A bit flip cannot result in any change to any other state (other than the global anti-forgery counter, which is a recent addition). Updates only occur as a result of successfully removing packet protection and a bit flip will cause the integrity check to fail and the packet to be dropped with no other state changes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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On the last point (which I glossed over initially, as it relates to a different concept), the attacker can at best force the installation of the next set of read keys and only if the receiver is willing to do so. Flipping the key phase bit has the effect of causing a receiver to select the previous or next read keys. If the receiver generates keys on demand (which is not a great idea, but some implementations do...), then it will generate those keys. That key generation should be a one-off event (we recommend saving keys in S6.3).

A bit flip cannot result in any change to any other state (other than the global anti-forgery counter, which is a recent addition). Updates only occur as a result of successfully removing packet protection and a bit flip will cause the integrity check to fail and the packet to be dropped with no other state changes.

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----==_mimepart_5f86441b3d76c_1b9c19b437697-- From nobody Tue Oct 13 17:21:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE303A1277 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:21:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PpSprLMQ1R0 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA9CE3A1275 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3d54f4b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.113.21]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1281A600E06 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:21:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602634908; bh=ZsvAqbk6YotahPEl99RBMJihWo1zoSihomxgg7fnTKM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QKKfr6ejzuFCZvVIjDcu+f1bTSM1qGWbN7sEvkkMF+sy9NwevX3HpFGpLt22dZpw+ dVKkESJ88SQRDj3pRN3fJzVhTXHNShYtlpYjCjwic31xV8K4y7TnWEN04fuGRVzq/b YmS8pRzob7zbSwLb2SQWWjB0qkMNRsboI4ljwwtk= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:21:48 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f86449cf1e4_cbd19b499414"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 00:21:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f86449cf1e4_cbd19b499414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke > Part of the value of me is that we simplify the protocol by making the client and server requirements identical. I'm not sure if the requirements are going to be identical when we try to allow servers send CONNECTION_CLOSE without padding. That inevitably changes how the receiver would validate the requirements. On the server-side, validation happens before the server decrypts the Initial packets. On the client-side, to handle the frame-level exception, validation has to happen after decryption. For the sender, people who prefer symmetry can have that, regardless of the outcome of this discussion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-708079375 ----==_mimepart_5f86449cf1e4_cbd19b499414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Part of the value of me is that we simplify the protocol by making the client and server requirements identical.

I'm not sure if the requirements are going to be identical when we try to allow servers send CONNECTION_CLOSE without padding.

That inevitably changes how the receiver would validate the requirements. On the server-side, validation happens before the server decrypts the Initial packets. On the client-side, to handle the frame-level exception, validation has to happen after decryption.

For the sender, people who prefer symmetry can have that, regardless of the outcome of this discussion.

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----==_mimepart_5f86449cf1e4_cbd19b499414-- From nobody Tue Oct 13 17:22:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DFB3A1277 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sbNrkjXyJOsq for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A6623A1275 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4abdf8e.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E87DB340F06 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602634940; bh=D72py2sJVf5T2q8YwG8kv3W4KniWDNpr2xkZqXkCguU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bNu6ELLV8+k8pdtavVCkJOWpynldB7pDMcXNeqJ0ogtuSYIaAR9LxdPI/OJtZCOkm PFarKw+w3vHvaZTA8jtHoIvjlUpxXyDhFhZivI1Zcgx0UUepl5cIHfOJ8oWm/lynfv Lbf976B+tEFipTu6wX2OsLta4dK9SfXolanBmKqY= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:22:20 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8644bce54ea_4a719b46636"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 00:22:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8644bce54ea_4a719b46636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing But now you are telling me what to do without cause :p But I can live with a recommendation. My point was that the only hard requirement is that this is limited. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#discussion_r504330499 ----==_mimepart_5f8644bce54ea_4a719b46636 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

But now you are telling me what to do without cause :p But I can live with a recommendation. My point was that the only hard requirement is that this is limited.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

I'm fine with requiring limiting it. To be useful to implementers, we should have some value here, but I would not RECOMMEND it. We can simply say that experience has shown 1 early retransmission to be adequate to accommodate common loss scenarios.

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  • 0410b60 when to pad is independent from path validation

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4099,8 +4101,9 @@ bytes.  A server MAY also immediately close the connection by sending a
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see
 {{immediate-close-hs}}.
 
-The server MUST also limit the number of bytes it sends before validating the
-address of the client; see {{address-validation}}.
+Until the server validates the client address, it MUST limit the

Thank you folks. I think there's consensus that padding should better not be tied to path validation. Addressed the text in 0410b60. PTAL.

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  • 6e0fe53 at most once is likely enough

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,10 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing

Sounds like we are converging; took a stub in commit 6e0fe53. PTAL.

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Somehow, I continue to forget this (see #3097), so the table has been
wrong since the special annotations were added.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4203

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FWIW, CONNECTION_CLOSE is already non-ack-eliciting. I just forgot.

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Section 2.1: "TLS provides two endpoints with a way to establish a means of communication over an untrusted medium (that is, the Internet) that ensures that messages they exchange cannot be observed, modified, or forged." I think "observed" as used here is the wrong word. Because the encrypted form of the clear-text message will be possible to observe. Please reformulate to give actual security properties. 2. Section 2.1: "A 0-RTT handshake, in which the client uses information it has previously learned about the server to send Application Data immediately. This Application Data can be replayed by an attacker so it MUST NOT carry a self-contained trigger for any non-idempotent action." Please do not use RFC2119 words "MUST NOT" in overview. I understand the need for emphasis on this. However, I assume this is actually specified normatively elsewhere. So simply using other words to provide the emphasis and possibly a reference to the section defining this normatively. 3. Section 5.2: "Note: The Destination Connection ID is of arbitrary length, and it could be zero length if the server sends a Retry packet with a zero-length Source Connection ID field." To my understanding the DCID is not arbitrary length, it is of any octet length between 0 and 160 bits. Does the Initial processing function need to deal with non QUIC version-1 long header packets? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4204 ----==_mimepart_5f86af6936f68_9e219b461912 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Here are some minor editorial issues:

  1. Section 2.1: "TLS provides two endpoints with a way to establish a means of communication over an untrusted medium (that is, the Internet) that ensures that messages they exchange cannot be observed, modified, or forged." I think "observed" as used here is the wrong word. Because the encrypted form of the clear-text message will be possible to observe. Please reformulate to give actual security properties.
  2. Section 2.1: "A 0-RTT handshake, in which the client uses information it has previously learned about the server to send Application Data immediately. This Application Data can be replayed by an attacker so it MUST NOT carry a self-contained trigger for any non-idempotent action." Please do not use RFC2119 words "MUST NOT" in overview. I understand the need for emphasis on this. However, I assume this is actually specified normatively elsewhere. So simply using other words to provide the emphasis and possibly a reference to the section defining this normatively.
  3. Section 5.2: "Note: The Destination Connection ID is of arbitrary length, and it could be zero length if the server sends a Retry packet with a zero-length Source Connection ID field." To my understanding the DCID is not arbitrary length, it is of any octet length between 0 and 160 bits. Does the Initial processing function need to deal with non QUIC version-1 long header packets?

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Note that this critically says that a Destination Connection ID of any length is not sufficient to prove that the server got the packet. This is because the client doesn't know how hard the value is to guess, even if the value is 8 byte or more long and might appear to contain sufficient entropy (it could be a deterministic function of the client address, for example). 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Closes #4204. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4205 -- Commit Summary -- * Describe TLS properties more precisely * Just describe 0-RTT (and its limitations) * DCID is 0..20 and clarify... -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (22) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4205.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4205.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4205 ----==_mimepart_5f86bfe05fa_5419b41909c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

These are all small, but neat improvements inspired by the feedback in #4204.

Closes #4204.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4205

Commit Summary

  • Describe TLS properties more precisely
  • Just describe 0-RTT (and its limitations)
  • DCID is 0..20 and clarify...

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----==_mimepart_5f86bfe05fa_5419b41909c-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 05:19:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D24C3A098A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 05:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LgTjthJ8sHN4 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 05:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61EC93A098E for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 05:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-98c232f.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.63]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9553F840EC0 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 05:19:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602677970; bh=eMOO9eGDEvZF8wSXYsLa6zDm4OkUpywYpLv/Z9vntXA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2JgFi2lLO3BjAWY/2X3ZauN7yD8B4an3V+EL2fMHEjVhHSDW4dJVh+IeZlfTXA3ZN FeRp9PV4BMobDFtpOTky4PuT49cSdWVQ+yszo6li8Mw8gwICGjUSG+v/gLTXx7ChYx KxSD9rkMPBajmvv+dX/LAgD+e33hNagLCwAGe/mY= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 05:19:30 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: HTTP/3 Connection definition? (#4206) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f86ecd28fab5_5319b460216"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:19:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f86ecd28fab5_5319b460216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 2.2.: "connection: A transport-layer connection between two endpoints, using QUIC as the transport protocol. connection error: An error that affects the entire HTTP/3 connection." In a total of 11 places this document uses "HTTP/3 connection". The word connection exists 213 times in this document (HTML version). So are there a difference between connection and HTTP/3 Connection, and if it is can that be clearly expressed. Else maybe alignment would be better. Secondly, I think the above "connection" definition is likely missing one important aspect isn't it? I have the impression that an "HTTP/3" connection is a QUIC connection established with the purpose of communicating HTTP/3 over it. That intention is likely explicitly expressed at QUIC connection establishment using ALPN? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4206 ----==_mimepart_5f86ecd28fab5_5319b460216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 2.2.:

"connection:
A transport-layer connection between two endpoints, using QUIC as the transport protocol.
connection error:
An error that affects the entire HTTP/3 connection."

In a total of 11 places this document uses "HTTP/3 connection". The word connection exists 213 times in this document (HTML version). So are there a difference between connection and HTTP/3 Connection, and if it is can that be clearly expressed. Else maybe alignment would be better.

Secondly, I think the above "connection" definition is likely missing one important aspect isn't it? I have the impression that an "HTTP/3" connection is a QUIC connection established with the purpose of communicating HTTP/3 over it. That intention is likely explicitly expressed at QUIC connection establishment using ALPN?

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Looking into latest semantics (-12) https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-12.html for the section references none of the first couple I look at provides the right content.

7.3.3. doesn't exist, and is now likely 5.5.4
2.2 is likely 3.7
5.4.1.1 is likely 5.7.2
6.4 is might be 4.3.
and so on.

So please go through all references to [SEMANTICS]. I would also check [HTTP11], [CACHING].

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----==_mimepart_5f86ef3b3b410_22d19b4863dd-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 06:08:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCF93A0A2C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7toWGd62uKNb for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A87F53A097C for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c0cb15c.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.102.51]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EC549600E3D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:08:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602680896; bh=M4iRSL/FW/ApoK8vpPfrAPruD+AlDKRfRzbkeQVPs6k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Va7WIOH2WBHYFfhmPBgJ3LFegtKwtQ31K4utcpP6OSQoMkInKXnEM5Mkw53v/1AXc l0la0kEJ9V0sqL/J3dDKqViCaBNQmyav7sBWXSvg/Hs/Xt5Fah24wqP/07bJLR4l8v ZLUqxDfysAD9DJnE5HyeKBp+NXKziFHenVzB7HuY= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:08:16 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Requirement to use ALPN with HTTP/3 (#4208) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f86f840e9109_18519b43946a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:08:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f86f840e9109_18519b43946a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 3.2: "A client MAY attempt access to a resource with an "https" URI by resolving the host identifier to an IP address, establishing a QUIC connection to that address on the indicated port, and sending an HTTP/3 request message targeting the URI to the server over that secured connection." draft-ietf-quic-tls states in Section 8.1: "Unless another mechanism is used for agreeing on an application protocol, endpoints MUST use ALPN for this purpose." Looking at Section 3.2 with Section 3.1 deleted I think there is an important aspect missing which is expressed in first sentence of Section 3.1: "HTTP/3 uses the token "h3" to identify itself in ALPN and Alt-Svc." In Section 3.3: "QUIC connections are established as described in [QUIC-TRANSPORT]. During connection establishment, HTTP/3 support is indicated by selecting the ALPN token "h3" in the TLS handshake. Support for other application-layer protocols MAY be offered in the same handshake." So what I interpret is that the inclusion of the "h3" ALPN token will be required in the clients messages when establishing an QUIC connection with the intention of communicating using HTTP/3 according to this specification. So I think there are two changes needed here. First that there needs to be a first paragraph in Section 3.2 to state that HTTP/3 uses "h3" as token in ALPN and Alt-Svc as a lead in, secondly that the sentence first referenced above needs to state that ALPN = "h3" will be given in the QUIC-TLS handshake. If I understand this correctly, a QUIC connection that has been established using "h3" ALPN token, i.e. client tells it interested in this application and where the server choice that token in the handshake will be using HTTP/3 according to this specification. It is possible for other ALPN tokens to be application foo using HTTP/3. Finally do I interpret things correctly that "h3" is not strictly required but then both client and server need to know that yes, this connection establishment is for the purpose of HTTP/3? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Section 3.2:

"A client MAY attempt access to a resource with an "https" URI by resolving the host identifier to an IP address, establishing a QUIC connection to that address on the indicated port, and sending an HTTP/3 request message targeting the URI to the server over that secured connection."

draft-ietf-quic-tls states in Section 8.1:

"Unless another mechanism is used for agreeing on an application protocol, endpoints MUST use ALPN for this purpose."

Looking at Section 3.2 with Section 3.1 deleted I think there is an important aspect missing which is expressed in first sentence of Section 3.1:

"HTTP/3 uses the token "h3" to identify itself in ALPN and Alt-Svc."

In Section 3.3:

"QUIC connections are established as described in [QUIC-TRANSPORT]. During connection establishment, HTTP/3 support is indicated by selecting the ALPN token "h3" in the TLS handshake. Support for other application-layer protocols MAY be offered in the same handshake."

So what I interpret is that the inclusion of the "h3" ALPN token will be required in the clients messages when establishing an QUIC connection with the intention of communicating using HTTP/3 according to this specification.

So I think there are two changes needed here. First that there needs to be a first paragraph in Section 3.2 to state that HTTP/3 uses "h3" as token in ALPN and Alt-Svc as a lead in, secondly that the sentence first referenced above needs to state that ALPN = "h3" will be given in the QUIC-TLS handshake.

If I understand this correctly, a QUIC connection that has been established using "h3" ALPN token, i.e. client tells it interested in this application and where the server choice that token in the handshake will be using HTTP/3 according to this specification. It is possible for other ALPN tokens to be application foo using HTTP/3. Finally do I interpret things correctly that "h3" is not strictly required but then both client and server need to know that yes, this connection establishment is for the purpose of HTTP/3?

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----==_mimepart_5f86f840e9109_18519b43946a-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 06:17:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9026A3A0A6A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:17:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L9mbNGJ1IYqj for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4563A0A53 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-5aefeb3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.108.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 27F715E0033 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:17:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602681423; bh=8Pa5mXx5Udwxp/KipsjVKJN01mHOC7Wp2qa4/ZJglFA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0jFc9Ghmi9CKRBMGft7o89qlC+4+FxRg+TRRhI/p//gsjT4DguCpMAeRuG1xPj6Xe 48nFOi7HseNYMM7xiCWdXh93N/mFB4AkoNbCLK7UxtwvN0DRY7MW3N/hapBUZBpgEd afXk08Hcq00YFksM+Wd5XtjgKZsIRqTM4FIawRGI= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:17:03 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Other Schemes and downref to experimental (#4209) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f86fa4f24b5e_4d19b4115192"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:17:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f86fa4f24b5e_4d19b4115192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 3.2.2 states: "Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not "https", the client MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme. If the client intends to make requests for an origin whose scheme is "http", this means that it MUST obtain a valid http-opportunistic response for the origin as described in [RFC8164] prior to making any such requests. Other schemes might define other mechanisms." The first issue is that this text make normative use of RFC8164 to handle "http" scheme. RFC8164 is an experimental RFC. Thus we have a downref issue. I think it would be inappropriate to elevate RFC8164 status by allowing a downref here. I think one option would be to move the specification of the usage of RFC 8164 for the "http" URI scheme in HTTP/3 into its own experimental RFC. Another potential option is to simply inform about the ongoing experiment without specifying that it can be done with HTTP/3. Secondly, I am uncertain about the scope of the first sentence in that paragraph. Is there any other URI schemes other than "http" that this is applicable for? If it is which type of URI schemes is it applicable for? For clearly it is not applicable to the "rtsp" scheme that isn't using HTTP at all. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4209 ----==_mimepart_5f86fa4f24b5e_4d19b4115192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 3.2.2 states:

"Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not "https", the client MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme. If the client intends to make requests for an origin whose scheme is "http", this means that it MUST obtain a valid http-opportunistic response for the origin as described in [RFC8164] prior to making any such requests. Other schemes might define other mechanisms."

The first issue is that this text make normative use of RFC8164 to handle "http" scheme. RFC8164 is an experimental RFC. Thus we have a downref issue. I think it would be inappropriate to elevate RFC8164 status by allowing a downref here. I think one option would be to move the specification of the usage of RFC 8164 for the "http" URI scheme in HTTP/3 into its own experimental RFC. Another potential option is to simply inform about the ongoing experiment without specifying that it can be done with HTTP/3.

Secondly, I am uncertain about the scope of the first sentence in that paragraph. Is there any other URI schemes other than "http" that this is applicable for? If it is which type of URI schemes is it applicable for? For clearly it is not applicable to the "rtsp" scheme that isn't using HTTP at all.

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----==_mimepart_5f86fa4f24b5e_4d19b4115192-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 06:23:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5994E3A0A88 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hd7MS9iZfHzb for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05A3C3A0A9F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3e471ff.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.72]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 36CFC5C0F42 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:23:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602681800; bh=IQMVp3xDi7EAASA1BKvVwD/Jemp8MeCrmmUI5GsjWNs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ab5qa3cNT1O1/7lbdOsjNrxL54QtUNxtReKXU+FCX4HWrZvgrmNRiFca5JfyQHVPW MkYeSblAOn62eO99eAOYN3417eh8ZpT88nHS24ZRQ+05kMGebov5FHblHMgYA5iBnf BfxKhJVtYWuAflDYgeW1JGzqLCSbCQYBAoNhCpeE= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:23:20 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Forward compatibility in QUIC (#4210) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f86fbc8314c2_5e19b4100872"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:23:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f86fbc8314c2_5e19b4100872 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 3.3: "The use of other QUIC transport versions with HTTP/3 MAY be defined by future specifications." I find an interesting contrast with TLS here. While for TLS usage in QUIC has a rather small set of rules for what future TLS version needs to provide to be compatible with QUIC, the same is not done to other QUIC versions. Wouldn't it be better to define what QUIC mechanism that HTTP/3 is dependent on and state that any future QUIC version that provides those mechanism can support this HTTP/3 mapping on QUIC? What was the reasons for not providing forward compatibility for QUIC? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4210 ----==_mimepart_5f86fbc8314c2_5e19b4100872 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 3.3:

"The use of other QUIC transport versions with HTTP/3 MAY be defined by future specifications."

I find an interesting contrast with TLS here. While for TLS usage in QUIC has a rather small set of rules for what future TLS version needs to provide to be compatible with QUIC, the same is not done to other QUIC versions. Wouldn't it be better to define what QUIC mechanism that HTTP/3 is dependent on and state that any future QUIC version that provides those mechanism can support this HTTP/3 mapping on QUIC? What was the reasons for not providing forward compatibility for QUIC?

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Second point first: HTTP doesn't restrict the scheme of URIs a client can request; URI schemes define what protocols can be used to access them, which might or might not include HTTP.

For example, RFC7540 says:

   ":scheme" is not restricted to "http" and "https" schemed URIs.  A
  proxy or gateway can translate requests for non-HTTP schemes,
  enabling the use of HTTP to interact with non-HTTP services.

To the first point, I feel like not mentioning that RFC8164 can be done with HTTP/3 means it's irrelevant to include in this document, and the requirement to verify the peer can serve a scheme is necessary.

Perhaps something like:

Prior to making requests for an origin whose scheme is not "https", the client MUST ensure the server is willing to serve that scheme. For origins whose scheme is "http", an experimental method to accomplish this is described in [RFC8164]. Other mechanisms might be defined in the future.

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----==_mimepart_5f8702aceab23_f0219b41500b1-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 06:53:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E614F3A0D97 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQtWhq-Kk60w for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 622B63A0D96 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-60bf0e5.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 90598520092 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:53:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602683599; bh=pRGQipDpwj9nAWcfiOSOVmY+s92nrDA5VYd1ml9f7a4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ymiH4CewhQSglWZaduU2D+TMnZP7HjkyRLB1CF4QuMDehXggysJ3BOlLS37RE8X/Q IfrU084OGO64bFOaUuZ5vaBRWBc0wmzuAM+6iS016TMBrQU/8NfG1+leJV2+9zG5gn iMv0cfDiIMz9ywBvAWHF27Mr5nMyDShsXf2fqgzU= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 06:53:19 -0700 From: Sean Turner Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Magnus' TLS nits (#4205) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8702cf8baa5_5a19b4356412"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: seanturner X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:53:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8702cf8baa5_5a19b4356412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @seanturner approved this pull request. I liked that we dropped the MUST NOT, it's already somewhere else. I also like that we point back to quic-trans for the dcid info. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4205#pullrequestreview-508370939 ----==_mimepart_5f8702cf8baa5_5a19b4356412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I liked that we dropped the MUST NOT, it's already somewhere else. I also like that we point back to quic-trans for the dcid info.

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----==_mimepart_5f8702cf8baa5_5a19b4356412-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 07:03:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D553A0DBE for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:03:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9iqfeNDLdC1u for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D11B3A0DCA for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7247464.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C597E5C036F for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:03:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602684205; bh=/KZV6qhtoDiWDkMn3lLHBQp4bLe6bzh24pbZ3krm/Ig=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JI14DC7e6AkrbcTD5zPXufcpKHVVqI7x+6L5iEC9e0l3G0hfqSOz+UaWzpoiR/AhD v9kcjq1oM8Es8F0eu8gPO+ZcWEXZiHEMYGnKMHMIqgc9y38Uvb8QvyjqQCdmUkEM+g 0CZzpjAzItLLIls0ZGTaq9laKrcd8pIzqsnYapUM= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:03:25 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Forward compatibility in QUIC (#4210) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f87052dc14ac_15a619b41002f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:03:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f87052dc14ac_15a619b41002f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gloinul, that would have been my personal preference as well. However, that was not the consensus of the working group. In order to do that, we would need to ensure that we had a concrete description of _all_ transport functionality that HTTP/3 relies on and a deterministic way to decide whether a particular version of QUIC met those requirements. Because we haven't ironed out version negotiation yet, it's difficult to make concrete statements about how ALPN and version negotiation will interact here. "HTTP/3 == QUIC v1" is the conservative answer, and can either be updated or new ALPN tokens defined when we have multiple QUIC versions to talk about. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4210#issuecomment-708424654 ----==_mimepart_5f87052dc14ac_15a619b41002f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gloinul, that would have been my personal preference as well. However, that was not the consensus of the working group. In order to do that, we would need to ensure that we had a concrete description of all transport functionality that HTTP/3 relies on and a deterministic way to decide whether a particular version of QUIC met those requirements. Because we haven't ironed out version negotiation yet, it's difficult to make concrete statements about how ALPN and version negotiation will interact here.

"HTTP/3 == QUIC v1" is the conservative answer, and can either be updated or new ALPN tokens defined when we have multiple QUIC versions to talk about.

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Fixes #4208.

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  • Call out h3 in more places

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 14 07:22:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5763A0DF9 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9WmlfG2Ah7SS for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C49B3A0925 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-34872bc.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C6FEE340F61 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:22:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602685346; bh=tRJkcFpLMvRe7DbrlO/QMPeevfL4UwvEwnxn9Hi0Yw0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kNzEkfXg/vsWm2RCCynMEsDHEQtp7K3CJ1p5s6IGgTqo5JY5W6S892HLniIdiz5br Z8bH9bLsp2joiJnUimfeK4QoM9gWZFI1S+IuADEbvJ1tO0j1Z3styS13Ox+dO9hCMT G+uDcuWHe4kIkAXx3eORcALCvlVRbZjPuj1FzgGs= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:22:26 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Requirement to use ALPN with HTTP/3 (#4208) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8709a2c3ae0_1c3519b4143361"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:22:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8709a2c3ae0_1c3519b4143361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If some other mechanism is used for agreeing on protocol, ALPN can be omitted, yes. I'm not convinced that the first paragraph of 3.[2->1] is the appropriate place to put the token statement; the section is about discovering an HTTP/3 endpoint given a URL, and the definition of the ALPN token is incidental there. I've added the token to 3.[2->1] in the paragraph about the connection; see what you think. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4208#issuecomment-708436761 ----==_mimepart_5f8709a2c3ae0_1c3519b4143361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If some other mechanism is used for agreeing on protocol, ALPN can be omitted, yes.

I'm not convinced that the first paragraph of 3.[2->1] is the appropriate place to put the token statement; the section is about discovering an HTTP/3 endpoint given a URL, and the definition of the ALPN token is incidental there. I've added the token to 3.[2->1] in the paragraph about the connection; see what you think.

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Fixes #4206.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -241,6 +241,9 @@ frame:
   frames."  References without this preface refer to frames defined in
   {{frames}}.
 
+HTTP/3 connection:
+: A QUIC connection where the negotiated application protocol is HTTP/3.

Huh, I always thought negotiated was preferred since we're using ALPN?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -241,6 +241,9 @@ frame:
   frames."  References without this preface refer to frames defined in
   {{frames}}.
 
+HTTP/3 connection:
+: A QUIC connection where the negotiated application protocol is HTTP/3.

The spec also says that other methods of selecting H3 are possible. And if we're speaking generically, then that might not be a negotiation. But I'll let Mike make the editorial decision here.

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

I can live with these changes, but I would like the CONNECTION_CLOSE text to go in and would prefer a MUST to a SHOULD for servers.

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The more I think about it, if there's no padding requirement for servers, there is no effective probing of the server->client PMTU at all. For example, my server implementation could send a packet each time it has an ACK to send or a single message from TLS. The server flight could be a stream of datagrams of a few hundred bytes. If they MUST pad initials, then there's at least one packet that's 1200B.

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@kazuho If the padding requirement is a SHOULD, there is a requirement to decrypt anyway that can only be ignored on the first packet a server receives in a connection.

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I think nobody is opposing to having a MUST, but the debate is the specifics.

I was hoping if we could converge on the specifics of that MUST, but maybe I should update this PR in one way to narrow down the discussion.

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Thank you for clarifying that we agree on a MUST. I understand the concern about validation if we exempt certain packets; however, while regrettable this is no net increase in decrypt operations vs the status quo.

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I've updated the pull request so that it describes one specific way of having a MUST. Admittedly, it reflects my preference (the rationale explained in #4183 (comment)), but the hope is that having something specific being written down helps us continue the discussion.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Addresses #4196. 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Addresses #4196.

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----==_mimepart_5f87668580b94_3f19b442636-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 14:25:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F093A1106 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R6QV_11jQCEr for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E7D83A10E0 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-85ad3ab.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.111.35]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5E2139005A9 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:25:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602710718; bh=XQ94DRgfdTbTiUcUnwGhKyCh5RFaqykC6sQBlHg2riU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Am7R3GrVFuH1AF88CoUMi0P18YbeLS7xWj1nQMUF+To6TOTtPwB9n8FleaDMu/vlw fcf++s9RTWuOK4s28eQeHjQjjA9y62YIUz6+LC5RXD1kb2cJ2WpPtA/D10Oe7OvkqI XAhOGyRNr/GRrEuCx5x5+MX/ud/nd95fzg1yFG+c= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:25:18 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Minor editorial issues found in AD review (#4196) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f876cbe5aaa0_4319b42048b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:25:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f876cbe5aaa0_4319b42048b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your careful review, @gloinul -- these are good finds! I've addressed your comments below and in #4213. I'll address point 6 in a separate PR. 1. Section 19.3 has the following text, which does tell how to compute acknowledgement delay from the ACK Delay field: ``` ACK Delay: A variable-length integer encoding the acknowledgement delay in microseconds; see Section 13.2.5. It is decoded by multiplying the value in the field by 2 to the power of the ack_delay_exponent transport parameter sent by the sender of the ACK frame; see Section 18.2. Compared to simply expressing the delay as an integer, this encoding allows for a larger range of values within the same number of bytes, at the cost of lower resolution. ``` I've replaced "computed" with "decoded" in the recovery document to make it clearer. 4. Coalescing applies to packets, not to datagrams. We've explicitly stated that a sender could send 2 datagrams to avoid any effects of coalescing. I think the text is pretty clear on this: "An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets". 5. I've added "sender-side" to make the controller more explicit. To your point about making this a sender requirement, that is covered in the transport doc (end of [Section 13.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-13.3-7)): ``` Upon detecting losses, a sender MUST take appropriate congestion control action. The details of loss detection and congestion control are described in [QUIC-RECOVERY]. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4196#issuecomment-708668433 ----==_mimepart_5f876cbe5aaa0_4319b42048b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for your careful review, @gloinul -- these are good finds! I've addressed your comments below and in #4213. I'll address point 6 in a separate PR.

  1. Section 19.3 has the following text, which does tell how to compute acknowledgement delay from the ACK Delay field:
ACK Delay:
    A variable-length integer encoding the acknowledgement delay in microseconds; see Section 13.2.5. 
    It is decoded by multiplying the value in the field by 2 to the power of the ack_delay_exponent transport
    parameter sent by the sender of the ACK frame; see Section 18.2. Compared to simply expressing the
    delay as an integer, this encoding allows for a larger range of values within the same number of bytes,
    at the cost of lower resolution.

I've replaced "computed" with "decoded" in the recovery document to make it clearer.

  1. Coalescing applies to packets, not to datagrams. We've explicitly stated that a sender could send 2 datagrams to avoid any effects of coalescing. I think the text is pretty clear on this: "An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets".

  2. I've added "sender-side" to make the controller more explicit. To your point about making this a sender requirement, that is covered in the transport doc (end of Section 13.3):

Upon detecting losses, a sender MUST take appropriate congestion control action.
The details of loss detection and congestion control are described in [QUIC-RECOVERY].

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -241,6 +241,9 @@ frame:
   frames."  References without this preface refer to frames defined in
   {{frames}}.
 
+HTTP/3 connection:
+: A QUIC connection where the negotiated application protocol is HTTP/3.

Either works; but as ALPN involves a server selection and the N stands for negotiation, I don't think it matters.

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s/Initial packets containing CRYPTO frames/ack-eliciting Initial packets/

That is simpler to my mind, and easier to implement. It excludes ACK and CONNECTION_CLOSE, but includes CRYPTO and PING.

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s/Initial packets containing CRYPTO frames/ack-eliciting Initial packets/

That is simpler to my mind, and easier to implement. It excludes ACK and CONNECTION_CLOSE, but includes CRYPTO and PING.

I can live with that, though I do not think it would make things simpler, assuming that endpoints are not going to validate the packet size during frame processing (would you?).

The downside is the all the Handshake packets carrying messages up to ServerFinished have to be padded, when the sender wants to coalesce a Initial(PING) to elicit an Initial ACK from the client (the optimization discussed in the third paragraph of section 6.2.3 of the recovery draft).

All that said, I would not oppose to using "ack-eliciting Initial packets," because that's what quicly does as a sender :-)

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  • 67e49f8 pad Initial with CRYPTO frames -> pad ack-eliciting Initial

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Anyways I've changed the PR (#4188) to "MUST pad ack-eliciting Initial packets." PTAL.

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One suggestion on wording, but overall this WFM.

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This is an entirely editorial PR, despite the fact that it looks a bit big. Sorry about that. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4214 -- Commit Summary -- * Datagram size, not packet size -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (104) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4214.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4214.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4214 ----==_mimepart_5f878c7811a34_4819b49049e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Addresses #4196.

This is an entirely editorial PR, despite the fact that it looks a bit big. Sorry about that.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4214

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  • Datagram size, not packet size

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,11 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing
+unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, subject to the address
+validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Doing so at most once
+for each connection will be adequate to accommodate common loss scenarios.

I don't think that the packet reflection this is well-enough explained to use it here.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,11 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing
+unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, subject to the address
+validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Doing so at most once
+for each connection will be adequate to accommodate common loss scenarios.

I am in favor of @ianswett's suggestion.

The principles we have for preventing ping-pong are:

  • do not repeatedly send an ACK-eliciting ACK
  • when not receiving an ACK, rely on PTO backoff

This paragraph is talking when an endpoint MAY violate those rules. Therefore, IMO it is good to point out that risk.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC provides an acknowledged PL, therefore a sender does not implement the
+QUIC provides an acknowledged PL, therefore a sender does not implement a

consistency: above you say "QUIC is an acknowledged PL"

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,11 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing
+unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, subject to the address
+validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Doing so at most once
+for each connection will be adequate to accommodate common loss scenarios.

I would rather add:

A client that does not limit the number of times it sends unacknowledged CRYPTO data in response to unauthenticated data risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.

There are other reasons why this might happen (hitting an endpoint that thinks it closed, for example.)

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Some suggestions, but I'm not finding anything incorrect.

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Thanks, @kazuho. I can live with this. A few comments, editorial. > +payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary. Servers +MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing ack-eliciting Initial packets have UDP +payloads of at least 1200 bytes. A client that sends padded datagrams allows +the server to send more data prior to completing address validation. Endpoints +sending UDP datagrams of at least 1200 bytes ensures that the handshake +progresses only if the path is capable of handling QUIC traffic; see +{{packet-size}}. ```suggestion payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary. Servers MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing ack-eliciting Initial packets have UDP payloads of at least 1200 bytes. Sending UDP datagrams of at least 1200 bytes ensures that the handshake progresses only if the path is capable of handling QUIC traffic; see {{packet-size}}. Additionally, a client that sends padded datagrams allows the server to send more data prior to completing address validation. ``` > +{{packet-coalesce}}. Similarly, a server MUST expand the payload of all UDP +datagrams carrying ack-eliciting Initial packets. Sending UDP datagrams of this +size ensures that the network path supports a reasonable Path Maximum +Transmission Unit (PMTU), in both directions. Additionally, a client padding +Initial packets helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by +server responses toward an unverified client address; see Can you spell it out fully for the server? "A server MUST similarly expand the payload of all UDP datagrams carrying ack-eliciting Initial packets to at least the smallest allowed maximum packet size (1200 bytes)." Also, "a client padding Initial packets" --> "a client that expands Initial packets" > {{address-validation}}. -Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client +Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the endpoint ```suggestion Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the sender ``` > +address of the client, and MUST pad ack-eliciting Initial packets that it sends; +see {{address-validation}}. ```suggestion address of the client; see {{address-validation}}. ``` I don't think you need this here, since this is described earlier in this very section. > +payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary. Servers +MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing ack-eliciting Initial packets have UDP +payloads of at least 1200 bytes. A client that sends padded datagrams allows +the server to send more data prior to completing address validation. Endpoints +sending UDP datagrams of at least 1200 bytes ensures that the handshake +progresses only if the path is capable of handling QUIC traffic; see +{{packet-size}}. In addition, let's remove the server text from here, since that is unnecessary for address validation. The server datagram padding needs to only be mentioned below, in the Initial Packet Size section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#pullrequestreview-508861314 ----==_mimepart_5f879e87f00d6_5319b4778aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks, @kazuho. I can live with this. A few comments, editorial.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A UDP datagram can include one or more QUIC packets. The datagram size refers to
+the total UDP payload size of a single UDP datagram carrying QUIC packets. That
+is, the datagram size includes includes the QUIC headers and protected payload,
+but not the UDP or IP headers.

I prefer the extra detail here, it's worth spelling it out precisely since we use the concept a fair bit below. I'll take the "one or more QUIC packets" though.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4107,47 +4111,48 @@ address of the client; see {{address-validation}}.
 
 The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) is the maximum size of the entire IP
 packet including the IP header, UDP header, and UDP payload.  The UDP payload
-includes the QUIC packet header, protected payload, and any authentication
-fields.  The PMTU can depend on path characteristics, and can therefore change
-over time.  The largest UDP payload an endpoint sends at any given time is
-referred to as the endpoint's maximum packet size.
+includes QUIC packet headers, protected payload, and any authentication fields.

I changed "header" to "headers" to reflect that, but I can change it to "one or more QUIC packet headers, ...". I think it's worth spelling out the fields though.

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On -the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample. -This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or -default values. +Before any RTT samples are available for a new path or when the estimator is I actually did exactly that, and realized that it's awkward to use `rtt_sample` in that structure, since it's not yet been used. But yeah, this still isn't great. I'll work on it a bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4213#discussion_r505107162 ----==_mimepart_5f87a1f3b72e_5119b4996d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ~~~
 smoothed_rtt = rtt_sample
 rttvar = rtt_sample / 2
 ~~~
 
-Before any RTT samples are available, the initial RTT is used as rtt_sample.  On
-the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample.
-This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or
-default values.
+Before any RTT samples are available for a new path or when the estimator is

I actually did exactly that, and realized that it's awkward to use rtt_sample in that structure, since it's not yet been used. But yeah, this still isn't great. I'll work on it a bit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 ~~~
 smoothed_rtt = rtt_sample
 rttvar = rtt_sample / 2
 ~~~
 
-Before any RTT samples are available, the initial RTT is used as rtt_sample.  On
-the first RTT sample for the network path, that sample is used as rtt_sample.
-This ensures that the first measurement erases the history of any persisted or
-default values.
+Before any RTT samples are available for a new path or when the estimator is

Ok, done.

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----==_mimepart_5f87a5f04a019_5319b41692e4-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 18:29:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE50E3A11B9 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NkrbUOWPSNx0 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77E3A3A11B8 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-855313c.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.117.47]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B6A6190001B for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:29:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602725368; bh=XNCBGwb3a9aU9+wJHPZMFJO+xuLyPiLEzsWF79n15/o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=F3bVPu7TthmbMl0EFQB0Hnw3hH9HpAclXA52/rfMPdudavx2V+ZP5R8kWIhksY2N1 V6y/yAYdd8yfWiUacVQOVtDssHtcg8WIjcwTP9+Adhe636ld454aTflxWOaXSrq/Mj hs66nHNBZvRGuDBOIsWAUEv0Hi2ODHCWfRo8+rZ8= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:29:28 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f87a5f8b1602_f7c19b45167"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 01:29:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f87a5f8b1602_f7c19b45167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -663,9 +663,11 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing +unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, subject to the address +validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Doing so at most once +for each connection will be adequate to accommodate common loss scenarios. In 3518d54, applied changes suggested by @ianswett to the existing sentence. In a51ad56, added the rationale suggested by @martinthomson with tweaks. Specifically, I changed the subject to "endpoints" so that it would be generic, and used "back off", as we suggest using that for Stateless Resets, etc. PTAL. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#discussion_r505111499 ----==_mimepart_5f87a5f8b1602_f7c19b45167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -663,9 +663,11 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a
 client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys,
 it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost.
 
-To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send
-a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry,
-subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a
+limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing
+unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, subject to the address
+validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Doing so at most once
+for each connection will be adequate to accommodate common loss scenarios.

In 3518d54, applied changes suggested by @ianswett to the existing sentence.
In a51ad56, added the rationale suggested by @martinthomson with tweaks. Specifically, I changed the subject to "endpoints" so that it would be generic, and used "back off", as we suggest using that for Stateless Resets, etc.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding PADDING frames as necessary.  Servers
+MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing ack-eliciting Initial packets have UDP
+payloads of at least 1200 bytes.  A client that sends padded datagrams allows
+the server to send more data prior to completing address validation.  Endpoints
+sending UDP datagrams of at least 1200 bytes ensures that the handshake
+progresses only if the path is capable of handling QUIC traffic; see
+{{packet-size}}.

@janaiyengar Following your last comment, I've reverted the changes to this section (i.e. address validation). That means that the suggested change right above is not applied. Please see if you want anything to be resurrected.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +{{packet-coalesce}}.  Similarly, a server MUST expand the payload of all UDP
+datagrams carrying ack-eliciting Initial packets.  Sending UDP datagrams of this
+size ensures that the network path supports a reasonable Path Maximum
+Transmission Unit (PMTU), in both directions.  Additionally, a client padding
+Initial packets helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks caused by
+server responses toward an unverified client address; see

Thank you for the suggestions. Done in c550cb4.

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I've relented and just written things out a bit more explicitly. I think this is much clearer now, and also fixes the structural issues that @gloinul noted in #4192. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4213#pullrequestreview-508881194 ----==_mimepart_5f87a9d557f91_4819b427019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I've relented and just written things out a bit more explicitly. I think this is much clearer now, and also fixes the structural issues that @gloinul noted in #4192.

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Tweaks. > @@ -663,9 +663,13 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. When a client receives Handshake or 1-RTT packets prior to obtaining Handshake keys, it may assume some or all of the server's Initial packets were lost. -To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY send -a packet containing unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, -subject to the address validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. +To speed up handshake completion under these conditions, an endpoint MAY, for a +limited number of occasions per each connection, send a packet containing +unacknowledged CRYPTO data earlier than the PTO expiry, subject to the address +validation limits in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. Doing so at most once +for each connection is adequate to quickly recover from a single packet loss. +Endpoints that do not back off from retransmitting packets in response to ```suggestion Endpoints that do not cease retransmitting packets in response to ``` > @@ -663,9 +663,13 @@ in Initial packets, or the client's estimated RTT is too small. 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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f87b9d929c64_5919b483794-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 20:41:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16A73A1250 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:41:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4j-0WWZngFE for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44F2E3A124E for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-6a07ff8.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4D05E34005D for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:41:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602733275; bh=fpS40c8MlukDNFKA77SaUrxtR++3HfLSD/8Ciuy308I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cPI6cRgmOJqPbz6Ro4qp9o7p7eypuwXlL98L4oNoVfFKUWNb7Tpj9KH7s5jpFmfCR 2dulVpihSonkS8mVfy0cRgaIssKtdwgRqjNGenDvVu9IqNRdhEuu24eGO10Nh7JC1l 66FByytdYb2Yo+2S6++EWnL/wV89Z4WOBkCQfAQ8= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:41:15 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f87c4db49bd1_4d19b42293c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:41:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f87c4db49bd1_4d19b42293c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think it's ok to not pad ACK-only packets. Recovery says: > That is, the client MUST set the probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its Handshake packets and the handshake is not confirmed (see Section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS]), even if there are no packets in flight. Thus, the client could receive an ACK for its ClientHello (in a packet that was not padded), and it will keep retransmitting the ClientHello indefinitely. >From my understanding, the condition should be the following: The server MUST pad *all* packets until: * it has received an ACK for any Initial packet, OR * until the Initial packet number space has been dropped. Lazy implementations could only implement the latter condition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-708876280 ----==_mimepart_5f87c4db49bd1_4d19b42293c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think it's ok to not pad ACK-only packets.
Recovery says:

That is, the client MUST set the probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its Handshake packets and the handshake is not confirmed (see Section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS]), even if there are no packets in flight.

Thus, the client could receive an ACK for its ClientHello (in a packet that was not padded), and it will keep retransmitting the ClientHello indefinitely.

From my understanding, the condition should be the following:
The server MUST pad all packets until:

  • it has received an ACK for any Initial packet, OR
  • until the Initial packet number space has been dropped.

Lazy implementations could only implement the latter condition.

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@marten-seemann Oh that's a very good point, and I actually think that you have found a problem that is unrelated to path MTU validation.

Let's think of two possible cases:

  1. A client might not be able to send ClientHello in one flight. It has to wait for the server to ACK the first flight to send the rest of the ClientHello. Post-quantum is a good example.
  2. A server that spends time in generating ServerHello. It could be due to the server being slow (consider IoT), or because the server has to fetch a new per-SNI configuration from a different server.

To support case 1, servers have to send ACKs before generating ServerHello. To support case 2, servers have to postpone sending ACKs while generating ServerHello. Otherwise there would be a ping-pong.

Am I correct that this issue exists unrelated to the PMTU problem?

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This issue is somewhat similar to the issue with asymmetric path MTUs that @kazuho discovered in #4183.

Consider the following situation: Client and server are communication on one path. The client now probes a new path by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame on the new path. The server responds with the PATH_RESPONSE frame, but sends it on the old path.
The client now considers the new path validated, and switches over to that path. If the PMTU in the direction from server to client is now smaller than 1200 bytes, it will never receive a packet from the server and the connection will time out. Even worse, if only small packets (for example ACK-only packets) make it through, this might delay the idle timeout indefinitely.

While we could require the client to pad the packet containing the PATH_CHALLENGE to 1200 bytes, this still doesn't help us making sure that the return path also actually supports this packet size.

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----==_mimepart_5f87ebe6b8766_76ca19b48286a-- From nobody Wed Oct 14 23:39:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7224D3A12F7 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 23:39:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qwi8-87FcpQI for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 23:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 456253A12F6 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 23:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4347558.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.109.63]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 10EBD520E17 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 23:39:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602743944; bh=9sILZYyl2JZwnokQIfYhf+FeOqQYyjkySZsez+N/WIQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A7NU9q/g0xRosb8znAc6PHyA921+iga3eQfCflhUwgMGfsh42CNpfli79OYJoqX5/ ByQEkBvVcTuVSM7t2+hptM5/wtj29trBfy5kmnm8VzPbFIJfW7uq/7XzKh/305KxlB wh8+DcvkseeDotFQKSdTw57BKrSO3AG9y3e5o5VM= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 23:39:04 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f87ee88d2c7_7f3419b4150892"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:39:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f87ee88d2c7_7f3419b4150892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is another interesting issue. In a nutshell, post-handshake path validation should confirm that PMTU is no less than 1200 bytes in both directions. But currently we do not require (or recommend) that the probe packets should be padded. Moreover, having such a requirement does not address the problem, because an endpoint is not required to send PATH_RESPONSE on the path on which it received a PATH_CHALLENGE. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-708933926 ----==_mimepart_5f87ee88d2c7_7f3419b4150892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is another interesting issue.

In a nutshell, post-handshake path validation should confirm that PMTU is no less than 1200 bytes in both directions. But currently we do not require (or recommend) that the probe packets should be padded. Moreover, having such a requirement does not address the problem, because an endpoint is not required to send PATH_RESPONSE on the path on which it received a PATH_CHALLENGE.

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----==_mimepart_5f87ee88d2c7_7f3419b4150892-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 02:31:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387D73A139C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nJh6gJjNQPN5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C32803A139B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-feb1c66.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B7DAE5215A8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:31:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602754275; bh=XEGVgvnECFJ34eN+N0rWd29V7CMHnc/oRjjP5Sah4ao=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aYSIjisLF2L5qdTJnTWs7NYCqi+I6siWSIXOmN4m82RbFLc1XBZSj7tzkHTlbPqGM fgdCdA9dEbDswIYFmYVwyNkixepzg2rAgu98o8eKLzTOn7lKQ/mj8Gj2Oz7gHLxSYL jKpQbDFGwV5Hg1+BS/E64LRE/LU+5kMDr0Di6jJQ= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:31:15 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ping-pong while the TLS asynchronously processes ClientHello (#4217) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8816e3b3f66_61f19b4917a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:31:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8816e3b3f66_61f19b4917a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From [Transport draft; section 8.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-8.1-5): _To prevent this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout (PTO, see Section 6.2 of [QUIC-RECOVERY])._ >From [TLS draft; section 4.1.4](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#section-4.1.4-3): _While waiting for TLS processing to complete, ... (snip). An endpoint SHOULD continue to respond to packets that can be processed during this time._ These two statements, together lead to a ping-pong of packets when the server-side TLS stack takes time in generating ServerHello. That's because every time the client sends an Initial probe, the server will be acknowledging that packet immediately. Note that there are cases where the server might actually spend time in generating ServerHello: * a QUIC server might be slow and the public key crypto can be heavyweight (e.g., post-quantum) * a QUIC server might have to lead per-SNI setting (e.g., certificates, cipher-suites that can be used) from a remote location * a QUIC server and the TLS backend might be positioned at different locations (something analogous to https://blog.cloudflare.com/keyless-ssl-the-nitty-gritty-technical-details/) Note: This issue has been spun off from https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-708886097, as it is _not_ related to PMTU. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4217 ----==_mimepart_5f8816e3b3f66_61f19b4917a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From Transport draft; section 8.1: To prevent this deadlock, clients MUST send a packet on a probe timeout (PTO, see Section 6.2 of [QUIC-RECOVERY]).
>From TLS draft; section 4.1.4: While waiting for TLS processing to complete, ... (snip). An endpoint SHOULD continue to respond to packets that can be processed during this time.

These two statements, together lead to a ping-pong of packets when the server-side TLS stack takes time in generating ServerHello. That's because every time the client sends an Initial probe, the server will be acknowledging that packet immediately.

Note that there are cases where the server might actually spend time in generating ServerHello:

  • a QUIC server might be slow and the public key crypto can be heavyweight (e.g., post-quantum)
  • a QUIC server might have to lead per-SNI setting (e.g., certificates, cipher-suites that can be used) from a remote location
  • a QUIC server and the TLS backend might be positioned at different locations (something analogous to https://blog.cloudflare.com/keyless-ssl-the-nitty-gritty-technical-details/)

Note: This issue has been spun off from #4183 (comment), as it is not related to PMTU.

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----==_mimepart_5f8816e3b3f66_61f19b4917a3-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 02:55:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3666E3A13B6 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ot6HwGdYDi9c for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A3393A1370 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-8c51eba.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.122.46]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1EE86560073 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602755723; bh=tuWHySesI/QJ01QU5dAZovq0qjFS7foWWiWbd9DqQvI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QIXTy/ZSaoxB6oS1eqZzPLftmiwf8bhITXzmKuOUfhuViUNBYz+YU6zd1nzooyVCN +6Xb2gHqAxnq2/zAUiTrirIintZwyazGDwR4gNJc5s31IHzivrl/gXt+3Va3fg2VJ0 2exwgPjJ2OHeSClhgys7PZmqtcB8D85KkTRKe9SQ= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:55:23 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Forward compatibility in QUIC (#4210) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f881c8b1ba8f_3419b4108855"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:55:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f881c8b1ba8f_3419b4108855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, lets close this issue as this is based on pre-existing WG consensus. I think the IETF 106 discussion was a bit too focused on the identification rather on the potential. I think this will result a need to open and redefine this aspect quite soon. It also creates an uncertainty for any non-standard QUIC versions what they require to support HTTP/3. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4210#issuecomment-709058048 ----==_mimepart_5f881c8b1ba8f_3419b4108855 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Okay, lets close this issue as this is based on pre-existing WG consensus. I think the IETF 106 discussion was a bit too focused on the identification rather on the potential. I think this will result a need to open and redefine this aspect quite soon. It also creates an uncertainty for any non-standard QUIC versions what they require to support HTTP/3.

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The proposed text looks good. I think that resolves it and you can move RFC8164 to be a informational ref.

So I think this resolves my issue.

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I think the proposed text does clarify the issue and makes the default and alternative clear. So this resolves my issue.

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----==_mimepart_5f881e1ba8c8b_4419b41659da-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 03:13:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFE33A0DCD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QbAAGysqiU4E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 618BE3A0917 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-6b36783.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C9ED8902674 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:13:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602756799; bh=sZTP4o2gqljgq7XQaED75HDVIe0UTpsOkJmue8XUcp4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fnruSRVjQknb6FvuIPCyvPpd3pQ/tnTgRh13VJvhy1KeXc725u+VyMSLH840fTPfQ 57SNnjvMCoIUA+I4ebI8p0ZIUKlDTVvJ+NU0p/eSDnrEzv0hDCVvUQJvxhxRl1fDWU ftewLMezLJkybaHf/uLqSTvDUp/0H7E7Xfs4vFsI= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:13:19 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: All section references into [SEMANTICS] needs updating (#4207) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8820bfc6a79_11a619b4146c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:13:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8820bfc6a79_11a619b4146c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, good that the fix are ongoing. I understand there was a bit of unfortunate timing here. However, this patch is necessary before the IETF LC can start. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4207#issuecomment-709081226 ----==_mimepart_5f8820bfc6a79_11a619b4146c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So, good that the fix are ongoing. I understand there was a bit of unfortunate timing here. However, this patch is necessary before the IETF LC can start.

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----==_mimepart_5f8820bfc6a79_11a619b4146c1-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 03:15:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DDF3A13F7 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:15:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t1z3f7ei3lX6 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20FBB3A13E3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-049de01.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.22.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5FD0F9026F2 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:15:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602756935; bh=JA9l4HXsvD1JQlghyQ0MT5kkw9NCT61EZ0J+2NovFXc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QcAd/8qsRDrBKrCKMCTwfPURc7wSnCuCbGdrAyiC91tFULPqN8tXQOZXLs4kB8/AM Cgc3qwtPMCO7fQdcXcpt6kBxaR+P7Ef+z8wwvpP8seHQ+vMxARF1tH7Ym8X1G0qDik 8+luVP0SUaNn0Rf1V8TcujuDVQdVj2evXkEknk6U= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:15:35 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Forward compatibility in QUIC (#4210) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8821475b5be_46b19b41696f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:15:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8821475b5be_46b19b41696f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One way to look at this is all H3 needs is multiple reliable and ordered bytestreams that can be opened by either side. Mike spent effort to minimise QUIC specific terms through the document. Which should ease future attempts to port H3 should anyone want that. The other complication in all this is how HTTP feature selection works compared to selection of QUIC versions or extensions. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pardue-alt-svc-ext-unsupported-00 is one example. I don't think we're done here in the long term but I do think anything we tried to do would be detrimental or unprovable in the short term. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4210#issuecomment-709084108 ----==_mimepart_5f8821475b5be_46b19b41696f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

One way to look at this is all H3 needs is multiple reliable and ordered bytestreams that can be opened by either side.

Mike spent effort to minimise QUIC specific terms through the document. Which should ease future attempts to port H3 should anyone want that.

The other complication in all this is how HTTP feature selection works compared to selection of QUIC versions or extensions. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pardue-alt-svc-ext-unsupported-00 is one example. I don't think we're done here in the long term but I do think anything we tried to do would be detrimental or unprovable in the short term.

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Closed #4210.

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So that pull request resolves the definition of the HTTP connection. Does the usage of HTTP/3 connection vs Connection in the document need adjustment? In other words, can you please check all the usage of connection if there is difference and if anywhere it needs to be clarified that it is not an HTTP/3 connection?

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----==_mimepart_5f8821e59f1a2_4719b42028e8-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 03:19:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9103A0DEA for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:19:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NO7I-5Xla5qN for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E1E63A0DCD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c306552.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.118.49]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B0E7290266B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:19:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602757179; bh=ztZ8rqpL/ZboQ1LXz9VwVZbPZFAvRXhjsDjWRnSQCpQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1BnZ8NV3c3VP9nSHDF0U7FOK6xMCokQky9nwZP+O/3JMiB4fX9WfBivn9X5aGhpsD tD7ASl3thucdbgQNXSgCdb9ONSq0S5EvfoSo0PB63a3JGRXdx9rPS4NqwTTNhCZan4 KYGdkEMtcRT8A4Z/hG0u8kDbz5f18NqcHY1DJpHY= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:19:39 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] update refs for -12 of http core drafts (#4182) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88223bad66b_4319b4315c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:19:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88223bad66b_4319b4315c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @reschke could you please help us out by responding to Mike's comments. This PR you kindly made will help us address issues raised during AD review, which is a blocker to LC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4182#issuecomment-709093712 ----==_mimepart_5f88223bad66b_4319b4315c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@reschke could you please help us out by responding to Mike's comments. This PR you kindly made will help us address issues raised during AD review, which is a blocker to LC.

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Labeling this as "design" based on #4175

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Based on #4215, labeling this as "editorial"

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----==_mimepart_5f883a123d1b1_4d19b4927d3-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 05:02:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64803A13DD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:02:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.241 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.241 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5FLY7UVx-DS9 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49B403A14D9 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-5bf16dc.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.112.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 862FB520D9F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:01:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602763312; bh=2tTFYfqHV/c//UwghP5IrgO0r2Rb5C1uR8+/OWBWwBc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hYnARs87iQyLjenbwr5JtsXTOqTM/TZYn8m5n6GBH5Hrt5p90x82c7K+yKTmsfnDO 1rBLbsb94Slf47meHaE6LOgvjkT39aGVKg4j0BCE7bu/9sF6Dmq/YmmEkqKgTomvRZ WxeDH78OcpHX2cYXKyPW9oLEXFJkYYXnQTuBJy54= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:01:52 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS-31: Minor editorial issues (#4204) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f883a3081e1e_5519b4840f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:02:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f883a3081e1e_5519b4840f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the PR resolves my issues nicely. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4204#issuecomment-709244195 ----==_mimepart_5f883a3081e1e_5519b4840f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the PR resolves my issues nicely.

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Mostly, I think one could use the previous sections discussion of "current" and "next" to clarify this.

For example:
OLD: An endpoint never sends packets that are protected with old keys.

New:
An endpoint never sends packets that are protected with old keys (previous key) only the current key.

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Looks good and resolve my issue.

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Changes looks good, resolve the issue.

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@gloinul approved this pull request.

Looks good and appear to resolve the uncertainties I had.

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As I said in the Issue there likely need to be a review of the 200+ times the word "connection" is used in the document to determine if one need to stress that it is the HTTP/3 connection or some other connection.

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Except for the one erronous exchange of packet this looks good.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 QUIC depends upon a minimum IP packet size of at least 1280 bytes.  This is the
 IPv6 minimum size ({{?IPv6=RFC8200}}) and is also supported by most modern IPv4
-networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a QUIC maximum
-packet size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.
+networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a maximum
+datagram size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.

Here it should say "IP packet" instead of datagram as it is the IP packet sizes for IPv4 and IPv6 that are given.

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I think these issues are resolved once the two PRs are completely ready.

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@gloinul commented on this pull request.

Thinks this resolve my issue, but would prefer Ian's proposal.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +As the value kPersistentCongestionThreshold gets larger, the sender becomes
+increasingly unresponsive to persistent congestion in the network, which can
+result in aggressive sending into a congested network. Too small a value can
+result in a sender declaring persistent congestion unnecessarily, resulting in
+reduced throughput for the sender.

Like @ianswett proposal better.

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----==_mimepart_5f8841a7e4fff_54519b415283c-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 05:34:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5011B3A13EC for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.241 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.241 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8cfm2Uut3U5b for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 411D93A13EA for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-34872bc.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 579585C008F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:34:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602765268; bh=NTBhvYgoW+ct+j3BsinFGklCxmUUWN/QSDBOjdnaKvY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zUzwsrkGr60R/EuepSEQO3HTfq0/keWApakcwXrl10ww7QqmZjynL/AJq2bSypqYK LsihUx8Z/8NvLx3kBf5zvOcT/Pb1DIR3XwRQhwSwP57wkxlUU8WPj+riKspR64iW4c kwkfgTWSp/3Su7q1O6KoBG4tkF+I8VYfIM6p1Y+g= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:34:28 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: Congestion control based on ACKs only to speed up? (#4194) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8841d45414b_3619b473314"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:34:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8841d45414b_3619b473314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, lets close this issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4194#issuecomment-709286857 ----==_mimepart_5f8841d45414b_3619b473314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, lets close this issue.

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Closed #4194.

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----==_mimepart_5f88423eaf639_49919b414533f-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 05:37:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADA83A13F3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XD2wXHN5Vwhz for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCEC03A13EF for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-8d1fda7.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.114.23]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EDEDC5214B5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:36:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602765417; bh=bVZU97Tk55d7DSf/3EPTgdn/nABrHr7g8n/QcXNrGUk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mRIuCo5SM7vK9jBzYkaidApEmDy1eGwSD/z37Vd/FTO0VsROzEt7HIehoD/5dK1Z4 GSvzPJ0o9/fxkVnIFMgn6UbqTExHdjYEkqFHjXc4Z0aRyjvyIhfbtk5EVya6r5F3RG ntPv2w5IIGIYMbEaI3gSrLLCNSFrn4en2Ezb+Izc= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:36:57 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery-31: PTO time MUST NOT be set and interaction with time threshold (#4193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f884269ea7e4_118519b4200db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:37:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f884269ea7e4_118519b4200db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frankly I don't know which direction that is best. Could I ask you to take an editorial stab on your most preferred. I would guess when you sit down to do either you realize if it will work or not when you harmonize it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4193#issuecomment-709289168 ----==_mimepart_5f884269ea7e4_118519b4200db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Frankly I don't know which direction that is best. Could I ask you to take an editorial stab on your most preferred. I would guess when you sit down to do either you realize if it will work or not when you harmonize it.

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The PR resolves this issue.

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----==_mimepart_5f8842ccb34_1d719b419216c-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 05:46:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720453A1405 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:46:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s8qa5YM-lyor for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C61F83A1403 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-866bad3.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.46]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DC53AE0093 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602765992; bh=RYLyCMmfKn39VCsAkfPu/zkZwuXxlIIIwkfHoy1rfrc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1XBv4Is3Sg/rDlptnT9GWeRwP7pLjRSv1xolzi3HIDDiXUGVWtiq8ndzgkm6/7J23 o4796NZtlcgH/1NoN8AFBWWhsJzqDC8xOG2RKBUTQQS9dpme3NO73/u494wj4RWz7Q uFmiXiEvMkei6Za+05QhvGMW9URRlgQPJCb14dEs= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:46:32 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery-31: Motivation for max_ack_delay statement (#4191) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8844a8d8659_3b19b4617f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:46:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8844a8d8659_3b19b4617f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar my point is that an error in timers waking up the receiver to send an ACK will affect the time of the transmission of the ACK. However, in those cases where at the time it wakes up to construct the ACK it correctly reads the time and accurately represent the time between the time of packet reception and transmission of ACK in the ACK_DELAY field the RTT is correctly estimated. It is the timing of the feedback loop that is a bit in error as it was longer than max ACK delay. To attempt to answer @larseggert: I think there is an difference in opinion if this affects the RTT estimate or not in a negative way. And thus I like to better understand if I there is any substance here or not. Likely there is not, but let continue the discussion a little bit more. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4191#issuecomment-709296501 ----==_mimepart_5f8844a8d8659_3b19b4617f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar my point is that an error in timers waking up the receiver to send an ACK will affect the time of the transmission of the ACK. However, in those cases where at the time it wakes up to construct the ACK it correctly reads the time and accurately represent the time between the time of packet reception and transmission of ACK in the ACK_DELAY field the RTT is correctly estimated. It is the timing of the feedback loop that is a bit in error as it was longer than max ACK delay.

To attempt to answer @larseggert: I think there is an difference in opinion if this affects the RTT estimate or not in a negative way. And thus I like to better understand if I there is any substance here or not. Likely there is not, but let continue the discussion a little bit more.

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----==_mimepart_5f8844a8d8659_3b19b4617f0-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 05:52:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EA13A1406 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xsmlg2q-ZK5b for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D66853A0985 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-33d55d8.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.121.53]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 260A2840D7E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:52:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602766338; bh=HLFze1isVbn1eNOBNcJnR13pUp0DMOAsIghqrhsXPPE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pLMO64/E0ese9u0TubnwIy4FDQ39/5QL7e6ciLgPvHHbYBGGxipz8exXFozfRLlXs sj8l3j2v/aNpe8TQSPKi3uBigmjPLmuQnuhFa9SUScIlHoMvKVowS0WAAZU7WOjKiE BiM8pTpKZHdgiOCYbMLF97i/e74yHiMspNIXt1d8= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:52:18 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify CID length requirements for VN packets (#4187) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f884602225dc_4a19b4604a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:52:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f884602225dc_4a19b4604a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gloinul commented on this pull request. I think the CID specific aspect is fine. It is unclear what other aspects that are specified by the protocol and are not invariant here. > @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path attacker. -As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1 -limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer -than 20 bytes. +Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of +connection IDs. In particular, connection IDs might have a smaller minimum +length or a greater maximum length. Version-specific rules for QUIC packets With the context of the first new sentence the second sentence is clearly apply to CIDs, but it indicates that there might be other aspects. What aspects are not invariant here? > @@ -316,6 +316,9 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path attacker. +Version-specific rules for QUIC packets MUST NOT influence a server decision Yes, I think this proposal is unclear on what the "MUST NOT" is for. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4187#pullrequestreview-509339993 ----==_mimepart_5f884602225dc_4a19b4604a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gloinul commented on this pull request.

I think the CID specific aspect is fine. It is unclear what other aspects that are specified by the protocol and are not invariant here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4554,9 +4554,11 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
-As future versions of QUIC may support Connection IDs larger than the version 1
-limit, Version Negotiation packets could carry Connection IDs that are longer
-than 20 bytes.
+Future versions of QUIC may have different requirements for the lengths of
+connection IDs. In particular, connection IDs might have a smaller minimum
+length or a greater maximum length.  Version-specific rules for QUIC packets

With the context of the first new sentence the second sentence is clearly apply to CIDs, but it indicates that there might be other aspects. What aspects are not invariant here?

In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -316,6 +316,9 @@ connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
 and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
 attacker.
 
+Version-specific rules for QUIC packets MUST NOT influence a server decision

Yes, I think this proposal is unclear on what the "MUST NOT" is for.

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This design is very much intentional. For example, if a peer specifies a max ack delay of 10 ms but always delays ACKs 100ms, then IF one always used the peer's ack_delay without capping it at max_ack_delay, it could result in repeated spurious PTOs.

Re-reading the text, I do believe it says the right thing:

Therefore, these extra delays are considered effectively part of path delay

This recognizes it's not really part of the path, but we're treating it like that. TCP always treats ack delay as part of the path delay via SRTT and RTTVar, so this is in keeping with that.

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It looks like the main issue here is being resolved. I hope to such a degree that the changes can be included in the draft version going for IETF LC. I would appreciate if people can review the latest version of the PR (#4188) so that we can get a good sense if this has agreement among the most active.

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@kazuho do I understand this correctly, this is primarily an efficiency issue, as retransmissions of the initial will be going back and forth during the time until the server can send its ServerHello to the client?

So if the server wouldn't ACK the initial then the PTO timer will fire after 0.5 seconds in the client. But in case if the server ACKs then the PTO will be updated based on the actual RTT between client and server and thus occur much more frequently in most cases.

So what would be the fix, to change the recommendation on ACKing until the server hello is available on the initial?

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----==_mimepart_5f884f8cc082_5319b47825a-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 06:45:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A5D3A0A4E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:45:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5UmsKRAJINB8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8584D3A0A42 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-72afee8.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.21]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D681D340BFD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:45:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602769547; bh=9V7qe2HHl2cGNSsZtsb8akOMhDNFGGeUgje40DhHFJ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DM8Ngn7O2IZkj/clt14strLzWtAsDZOV8v4MhppnZSzLGI5m7FAmmiFZ3Q09i8aL+ H8FYHnp71TrW3gxSHSy7fAbrRRH+0PKf9m2tO/dWwZ4k+aDIEYV/Go4+8frlYzEbtM uSBtuXsIAwc5ExUEHfdT9GJqrUsnlTTh/vCHB1Ys= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:45:47 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial fixes for recovery (#4213) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88528bd30c8_4a19b4100046"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:45:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88528bd30c8_4a19b4100046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett commented on this pull request. One nit and one substantive comment about not repeating the 333ms value. > -When there are no samples for a network path, and on the first RTT sample for -the network path: +An endpoint needs to initialize the RTT estimator during connection ```suggestion An endpoint needs to initialize the RTT estimator during connection ``` ```suggestion An endpoint initializes the RTT estimator during connection ``` > +(Section 9.4 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Before any RTT samples are available for a +new path or when the estimator is reset, the estimator is initialized using an +initial RTT value of 333ms; see {{pto-handshake}}. This is slightly different from what we say in handshakes and new paths(pto-handshake). I'd suggest referencing that rather than re-specifying 333ms here. ```suggestion (Section 9.4 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Before any RTT samples are available for a new path or when the estimator is reset, the estimator is initialized using the initial RTT; see {{pto-handshake}}. ``` FYI, existing text is: Resumed connections over the same network MAY use the previous connection's final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT. When no previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms, resulting in a 1 second initial timeout, as recommended in [RFC6298]. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4213#pullrequestreview-509383324 ----==_mimepart_5f88528bd30c8_4a19b4100046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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One nit and one substantive comment about not repeating the 333ms valu= e.

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This is slightly different from what we say in handshakes and new path= s(pto-handshake). I'd suggest referencing that rather than re-specifying= 333ms here.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5f88528bd30c8_4a19b4100046-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 06:56:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488BF3A09F0 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:56:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.039 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6IdLJQpHj3Fw for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD2223A09E1 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-b6208ef.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.120.21]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 69239560099 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:56:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602770187; bh=PT3tstXj3P0UYOwkgimMiTV7MR++pElywhkAyMGn2o8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q4Kgw110+Lm9n1C+pDrXuV2syj904wnCASGvEPO5ydMqlzJS3RLvHRcqHIyBtWkk0 O+4KxoD2rVYzY0CtyF5KWr80NuArW6wn+27nDelWZiiu33a/rtLv2IyMyYzI2UGO5X N4wNSyrLr5ulK6Y8YTChwQMlz2hf+8iuEq/BmhRY= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:56:27 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88550b65d8e_5b19b410401e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:56:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88550b65d8e_5b19b410401e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So this issue is similar to #4183 with the added tweak that in migration each peer's verification is independent of each other. So the client will only know that it send path is working as currently specified. Only after the server have performed its PATH_CHALLENGE to the client for the new path will it know that it is actually working. Looking at how path validation is defined currently, with the addition of requiring padding to 1200 bytes the result for this case is that the new path will not validate for the server as none of the server's path challenges will arrive at the client and be echoed. Thus the server will declare the path as failed after max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt). So the client will be able to use the new forward path but unless the old server->client path works the QUIC connection will fail. So I think with a PADDING requirement the slow or indefinite death of the connection will not occur. Looking at how connection migration is defined, the client will verify the path and attempt to migrate the connection by sending non-probe traffic. If the server do not send any non-probe traffic on the new interface until it have done path verification with 1200 bytes the connection migration will fail and the client will never see the server switch to using the new client source address for its communication. Thus, I think the only thing to make this fail consistently is to require padding of the path probes. Possibly one need to clarify that if one sends ACKs outside of path probes that are padded then one can end up in this state if the return path is not MTU capable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709342469 ----==_mimepart_5f88550b65d8e_5b19b410401e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So this issue is similar to #4183 with the added tweak that in migration each peer's verification is independent of each other. So the client will only know that it send path is working as currently specified. Only after the server have performed its PATH_CHALLENGE to the client for the new path will it know that it is actually working.

Looking at how path validation is defined currently, with the addition of requiring padding to 1200 bytes the result for this case is that the new path will not validate for the server as none of the server's path challenges will arrive at the client and be echoed. Thus the server will declare the path as failed after max(3PTO, 6kInitialRtt). So the client will be able to use the new forward path but unless the old server->client path works the QUIC connection will fail. So I think with a PADDING requirement the slow or indefinite death of the connection will not occur.

Looking at how connection migration is defined, the client will verify the path and attempt to migrate the connection by sending non-probe traffic. If the server do not send any non-probe traffic on the new interface until it have done path verification with 1200 bytes the connection migration will fail and the client will never see the server switch to using the new client source address for its communication.

Thus, I think the only thing to make this fail consistently is to require padding of the path probes. Possibly one need to clarify that if one sends ACKs outside of path probes that are padded then one can end up in this state if the return path is not MTU capable.

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I don't believe this is a PathMTU specific issue. The path could work perfectly in one direction and not in the opposite direction if the PATH_RESPONSE is sent on the old path.

I thought this was a known issue for those implementing connection migration? @ekinnear

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Ok, I can understand the intention here to say that you need to behave as promised, and to do otherwise gives a to big advantage to the misbehaving peers therefore we will include any time beyond max ACK delay in the RTT. But, that is not quite what the motivation text says.

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Fixes #4191

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4218

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  • Excess ack_delay could be non-compiance

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SG, I added a sentence, PTAL at #4218

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 QUIC depends upon a minimum IP packet size of at least 1280 bytes.  This is the
 IPv6 minimum size ({{?IPv6=RFC8200}}) and is also supported by most modern IPv4
-networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a QUIC maximum
-packet size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.
+networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a maximum
+datagram size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.

Re-reading, I think this might have been better as QUIC maximum packet size, since that is accurate.

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Based on @marten-seemann comment, I'm now favoring requiring both the client AND server to pad all Initial packets except CONNECTION_CLOSE.

However, I don't think the point raised is that problematic. The client will keep PTO-ing a full-sized Initial containing a PING, but with exponential backoff. This isn't that different from the situation when a connection is black-holed, though if the RTT sample was very small, this would be more aggressive than a new connection.

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----==_mimepart_5f885f03b09cf_5419b446576-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 07:46:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537A03A0141 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N2uRr2NjUAhe for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 392613A0128 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-5aebad7.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.121.75]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7A6C29025F8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:46:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602773189; bh=QVUo62vdQKSA0oi0UlXkSG/t8bSKYXBe14SHT+SlHWI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Rjwv3ep340shpq0Vjbqn1e6dkwSz/JK3Ivpo+QkQ6IuoF1QSjMIW97LZWlhry0RVm K+ksVhIfPUEasev8qdSc7WRvVe+4cxq2o7Ac0HFp70ywYtOs8UjRfSURjI2chENc6h 6CHvkhxY6sxAx393tK2MjwxJwAs4PBX8HWEpnXFw= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:46:29 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8860c5768b7_5719b46502d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:46:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8860c5768b7_5719b46502d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marking this as "design" based on the discussion and on #4188. (If we end up changing our minds about what we want to do, we can change the label.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-709375648 ----==_mimepart_5f8860c5768b7_5719b46502d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Marking this as "design" based on the discussion and on #4188. (If we end up changing our minds about what we want to do, we can change the label.)

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----==_mimepart_5f8860c5768b7_5719b46502d-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 07:50:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69F63A02BD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RyXRPvkAbFPt for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B1073A017E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-60c55af.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.121.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 407395C08F5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:50:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602773427; bh=yKi2v7ZItjee7xvoVlfwfx5tMOgHnZ+WTVWMe1Ka4pw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2URrKbHJjodeGIeD0xLDcg5Lzrl4/ivrnRqcjuv5zjlqZ6Ie2ztc0xM7ycWI3LXHR c0gHGEDhTxupZ8koX4plfkj5yFJAZMtbsPktLdWe4/rgFxRhd4Ypw4ikHL03V56wIi TF0tE3ouL1Hfz9xE2b7FlwpqL05I2rnzhe5iC8cI= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:50:27 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ping-pong while the TLS asynchronously processes ClientHello (#4217) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8861b33d134_4d19b4933c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:50:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8861b33d134_4d19b4933c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe this issue was discussed in the past(#3546), and the solution we reached consensus on was to not reset pto_count on the client until it knows the server has completed address validation. ie: ` // Reset pto_count unless the client is unsure if // the server has validated the client's address. if (PeerCompletedAddressValidation()): pto_count = 0` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4217#issuecomment-709378242 ----==_mimepart_5f8861b33d134_4d19b4933c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe this issue was discussed in the past(#3546), and the solution we reached consensus on was to not reset pto_count on the client until it knows the server has completed address validation. ie:

// Reset pto_count unless the client is unsure if // the server has validated the client's address. if (PeerCompletedAddressValidation()): pto_count = 0

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----==_mimepart_5f8861b33d134_4d19b4933c6-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 07:52:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C233A0365 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tz2eOZS8y7Cn for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5738D3A0317 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-48ab108.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.14]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 65CF3600F5E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:52:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602773547; bh=9orwkJkCQCCUhUrivtcnlWDa5TEo4AJu0/6ZyN4N1og=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iV7Dgfe8CNrT66ABi3SSAuvN2J9jG4S8RReoPicmI+c1B05+XI4ibodoZKx+ABAkS XzIr1o036h7doXG8MIMaV593Sz0HuHYPGUrlvVUMgRaFxUI1JSPgysnS2mzF9G9eqa FICDCL99WHBNB1lHg9x9PmYIvjMMbkHmU6Y7+31U= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:52:27 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88622b6281a_3419b48809"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:52:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88622b6281a_3419b48809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never understood why a PATH_RESPONSE was OK to send on the old path. Given that the client clearly wants the server to start using the new path (= a different IP address and port) it seems like the server has a really strong motivation to check that the client can actually receive stuff it sends there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709379480 ----==_mimepart_5f88622b6281a_3419b48809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I never understood why a PATH_RESPONSE was OK to send on the old path. Given that the client clearly wants the server to start using the new path (= a different IP address and port) it seems like the server has a really strong motivation to check that the client can actually receive stuff it sends there.

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@ianswett agree there are only one reason. But the MTU can be verified to avoid failure here.

@larseggert I think sending it back on the return path would avoid some failure cases. However, the peer endpoint still needs to do its own path verification. So do you think one should pad the PATH_RESPONSE carrying QUIC packet to verify the MTU on the return path for the endpoint requesting the path validation?

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Why would the peer need to do another path validation? It is still sending to the same endpoint.

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----==_mimepart_5f8863dd482c5_4b19b4288cb-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 08:19:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDCE3A07CE for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3rEStX0_-ddd for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 140543A07C4 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-52bb793.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.73]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F3012560076 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:19:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602775184; bh=lWUzx/foPm+N1RB7T0QDI9nE7G+8P3ZcR+rg+37tgvY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fwQ3pBTkUtgEi/Si18EUFvuCIT2wFyJtqQcC88mt2HaStJjUf5F9Bjn6yksRtcHDN eDDLntPHtDxPuz4nKTJM0sS+m0Y9VTJEOHuM7DzoXnCYcrhpUOQmMBlMF6u52iWPaM n1siBO0nz6hsvKyXLd2ew3SGDQv75Qm3aGCcKLng= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:19:44 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f886890efbf4_3e19b414252d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:19:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f886890efbf4_3e19b414252d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that it seems all PATH_CHALLENGE packets should be padded. I also cannot remember why it was allowed to respond with a PATH_RESPONSE on a different path than the one challenged. I assume because path challenge/response is just treated as a unidirectional validation mechanism. One problem with padding PATH_CHALLENGE packets is in the case of rebinding. If the first/only packet you receive after rebinding is small enough, amplification protection would prevent you from sending a fully padded challenge packet back in response. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709397881 ----==_mimepart_5f886890efbf4_3e19b414252d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree that it seems all PATH_CHALLENGE packets should be padded. I also cannot remember why it was allowed to respond with a PATH_RESPONSE on a different path than the one challenged. I assume because path challenge/response is just treated as a unidirectional validation mechanism.

One problem with padding PATH_CHALLENGE packets is in the case of rebinding. If the first/only packet you receive after rebinding is small enough, amplification protection would prevent you from sending a fully padded challenge packet back in response.

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@larseggert because otherwise a malicious client can fake it. So if the client sends the server a PATH_CHALLENGE to probe the path, it can spoof the source address, thus the server can't rely on it. So therefore the Server needs to send its PATH_CHALLENGE and get a matching response before it has validated that path for transmission. So that requirement will not go away.

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Works for me, so I consider this issue resolved.

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Issue resolved by editorial PR.

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The migrating endpoint doesn't send a PATH_CHALLENGE, it just sends data (or whatever) on the new path. The other end sends the challenge, and the migrating endpoints sends the response. (In the case of a NAT, the migrating endpoint may not even know it is migrating, because a NAT rebinding might cause the path validation.)

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----==_mimepart_5f88731ba90c7_5a19b4206495-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 09:07:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA923A08C0 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Br7T3S-KsR5r for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 411A13A08BD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1fb1e72.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.111.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8A438840EB9 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:06:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602778018; bh=dF6GunH5cAzckda5zybjRb8Q2+OPGxCLg87dshhdfmE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MZjQpapZxX7895Mb1PlW2XmM5822ZN9bSIBODkxyxEstZZy8Qcgkt49CnSZbihh6J uSvrEUemxdzEF7jxYeA6bXURYbiknic09wpHuCu1/GyBRplY0DC9qdxVcvFXnnXnAI qXqp+AeIt1aaSl0aKxTPmZ0OdNC7AqUALPE+r40Q= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:06:58 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Error codes (#4219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8873a287026_1a519b4177141"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:07:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8873a287026_1a519b4177141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 6.2: Recipients of unknown stream types MAY abort reading of the stream with an error code of H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR or a reserved error code (Section 8.1), but MUST NOT consider such streams to be a connection error of any kind. So Section 8.1 does not explain what "reserved errror code" is. The only thing I found in that section is the formula for numbers that are equivalent to NO_ERROR which doesn't make sense to me in this context of clearly an error. Is there somewhere else that should be referenced or more explanation needed? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4219 ----==_mimepart_5f8873a287026_1a519b4177141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 6.2:

Recipients of unknown stream types MAY abort reading of the stream with an error code of H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR or a reserved error code (Section 8.1), but MUST NOT consider such streams to be a connection error of any kind.

So Section 8.1 does not explain what "reserved errror code" is. The only thing I found in that section is the formula for numbers that are equivalent to NO_ERROR which doesn't make sense to me in this context of clearly an error. Is there somewhere else that should be referenced or more explanation needed?

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Fixes #4200 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4220 -- Commit Summary -- * Don't reset pto backoff for Initial ACKs -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4220.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4220.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4220 ----==_mimepart_5f88789cd1bf2_4719b4978e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If you receive a handshake ACK, then the server has validated the client's address, so it's really only Initial ACKs.

Fixes #4200

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4220

Commit Summary

  • Don't reset pto backoff for Initial ACKs

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Thanks for filing this, I think the new text is simpler anyway.

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----==_mimepart_5f88790dde6ac_4f19b4717f2-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 09:31:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ADA3A08CD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:31:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GgXUK_JjsryO for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F4793A08C7 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1d96ffd.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.112.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B10B9900D77 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602779483; bh=1uaxsjI/LOBEqlMMEYPuTDt4wPikvH2j4DYLqLnbtos=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JdUNDgb5ApbuhLvllzR+EKWCo8UhCxNfsVx8FrKbCWxbXyZdkEY683IX4qdmWiRjR Oq7zVQZWGNlNj+RodYH7u2rHPjP3BdNYNOITIf9h7Roy07wN0hXAw9QjVAjtkW4pQM r6yxmDjgllNSEllCGKcE0h7xo/nTcsbk6RMHWgpg= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:31:23 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Streams (#4221) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88795bad317_4119b412063d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:31:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88795bad317_4119b412063d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 6.2.3: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-reserved-stream-types These streams have no semantics, and can be sent when application-layer padding is desired. So although a bit unclear I assume the intention here is that one can grab the next available unidirectional stream, send the stream type with a reserved value. After that that endpoint may send arbitrary data at any time while the connection lasts and close it down. I think that could be slightly more explained. What is the cause of this issue is the "Application-layer padding". So I assume that an HTTP/3 implementation could have certain API to request this padding and what behavior it has. However, can this be anything other than generally padding out the QUIC connection. I think from this level it might be hard to have any more detailed control over where the padding data goes. The QUIC scheduler will do what it is programmed to do when it has multiple streams to send and split that into different packets in an implementation dependent fashion. So I wonder what impression people get of this padding feature? It appears hard to use for privacy preserving features as that needs to more consistently ensure that an outside observer can't detect patterns. So it will basically be for keep-alive and consuming more bits, possibly to probe if the application can take the step to the next quality level. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4221 ----==_mimepart_5f88795bad317_4119b412063d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 6.2.3: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-reserved-stream-types

These streams have no semantics, and can be sent when application-layer padding is desired.

So although a bit unclear I assume the intention here is that one can grab the next available unidirectional stream, send the stream type with a reserved value. After that that endpoint may send arbitrary data at any time while the connection lasts and close it down. I think that could be slightly more explained.

What is the cause of this issue is the "Application-layer padding". So I assume that an HTTP/3 implementation could have certain API to request this padding and what behavior it has. However, can this be anything other than generally padding out the QUIC connection. I think from this level it might be hard to have any more detailed control over where the padding data goes. The QUIC scheduler will do what it is programmed to do when it has multiple streams to send and split that into different packets in an implementation dependent fashion. So I wonder what impression people get of this padding feature? It appears hard to use for privacy preserving features as that needs to more consistently ensure that an outside observer can't detect patterns. So it will basically be for keep-alive and consuming more bits, possibly to probe if the application can take the step to the next quality level.

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----==_mimepart_5f88795bad317_4119b412063d-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 09:36:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B503A08EB for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:36:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IN6qLGQtuJE3 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 963A03A08E7 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c27faef.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E44EF5E0F77 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:36:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602779802; bh=yhz8VGPFu3A44oAYL4EMUd3AnBl1j68iEC9ZqoLpjhs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Sn1SH2Z1KZBjXUvgMyMq0eypFls1R6EsOuKWhhpjc2u6pHjjID9dbqc1P8MXdG8un p+iHLHmozwhlVW0ENQAIx91bcLUADeOowTU3A9eC+QBBLzQ6aCB8aVqQ6Bb8ZJx2ah PqmwuL5zD1B8wVpKfxwWUBG2mIyr123OYlBqdNc4= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:36:42 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f887a9ae0ffa_3519b417546f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:36:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f887a9ae0ffa_3519b417546f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @lars that is not the only way. Your way will occur when one have a NAT rebinding for example, but a client can test a path prior to migrating to it also. So apparently we are considering two different cases. And in your case the client to server path will not be probed by the client. Thus it become a question if the client needs to probe with a 1200+ packet or can rely on the ACKing of the servers PATH_RESPONSE padded to 1200+ for MTU verification? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709446664 ----==_mimepart_5f887a9ae0ffa_3519b417546f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@Lars that is not the only way. Your way will occur when one have a NAT rebinding for example, but a client can test a path prior to migrating to it also. So apparently we are considering two different cases. And in your case the client to server path will not be probed by the client. Thus it become a question if the client needs to probe with a 1200+ packet or can rely on the ACKing of the servers PATH_RESPONSE padded to 1200+ for MTU verification?

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----==_mimepart_5f887a9ae0ffa_3519b417546f-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 09:43:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48713A090B for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 786ROAPg5Ig5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A7DB3A0906 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ff38e26.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.24]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76DC08401FD for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602780178; bh=jtVKcrLRpmL0nYyjBOXZOqPFyxP9UEfQBli7nmvgKNM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CQaZTuozuWRiimKQ/B6vSypsySMQemyVyTb+Tx1sAn1gn2W1Szk5KGDirK3zN6aoa zIJ1vfsxa7P/8hwVeB3v3m6x25t1BR+4S7eYvf4e/7IIZyuycQzDdigS+OvwC8Bbxt SDjp4bdsZOjI6XwZ9XiRySYU1Lw46HmLIDfJEsTA= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:42:58 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f887c1273630_3b519b41317ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f887c1273630_3b519b41317ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The test-before-migrate is a MAY (Section 9.1) and Section 9.2 is pretty clear that a migration is initiated by sending non-probing frames *and* that a migrating endpoint can do that without first needing to validate the path. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709450349 ----==_mimepart_5f887c1273630_3b519b41317ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The test-before-migrate is a MAY (Section 9.1) and Section 9.2 is pretty clear that a migration is initiated by sending non-probing frames and that a migrating endpoint can do that without first needing to validate the path.

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----==_mimepart_5f887c1273630_3b519b41317ca-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 09:43:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6143A0925 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:43:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7yB3rcPfPwI for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 687623A0906 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-90394c5.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 69D785C0798 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602780181; bh=S63iNK/+pL+4QkOuojDLCl6WVF8S+WKx3aHTvUtlIkA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wekeF5AGNeC8RvyMyQIrOWrWpk8JSqIikVHLO8x/JIAVoQWDTRN/SvHByPy29G3Je CkbheBbOMyT76u9Xs1X9KYWozTBPg5V6yRSvkXVeH2YC0RB1FCYZEU4HrtuRbBhQZN si1vlKHa4po5T+YbWIx4G6+P0YDUWKPXnvA5zsJE= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:43:01 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f887c1566218_4d19b41813f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f887c1566218_4d19b41813f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will note that the client is expected to a path validation with the server when it acts on the server preferred address: Section 9.6.1: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-communicating-a-preferred-a A client might need to perform a connection migration before it has migrated to the server's preferred address. In this case, the client SHOULD perform path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the client's new address concurrently. So that case exist also here. The point is that we actually have two cases and both needs to be considered when discussing this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709450373 ----==_mimepart_5f887c1566218_4d19b41813f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I will note that the client is expected to a path validation with the server when it acts on the server preferred address:
Section 9.6.1: https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-communicating-a-preferred-a

A client might need to perform a connection migration before it has migrated to the server's preferred address. In this case, the client SHOULD perform path validation to both the original and preferred server address from the client's new address concurrently.

So that case exist also here. The point is that we actually have two cases and both needs to be considered when discussing this.

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Yes, that migration to the preferred address trips me up, because it reverses the path validation. I don't actually know if anyone has implemented this at all yet.

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That term doesn't appear above, so don't use it in the PTO section.

Fixes #4193

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The possible privacy preserving feature comes from an endpoint that can continue to drive application traffic over some time window. Allowing an application to pump the QUIC connection, and have the transport just deal with it without any special configuration seems attractive. In other words, if the transport is not application-limited then it can always keep the congestion window full. A scheduler can always demote such streams to behind all other streams. However, a receiver that doesn't immediately drain such streams will cause app limitation, which could affect the privacy targets. We might want to document that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4221#issuecomment-709468630 ----==_mimepart_5f88836ea8900_5f19b44009bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

HTTP traffic patterns can be quite bursty with a lot of cessation. The possible privacy preserving feature comes from an endpoint that can continue to drive application traffic over some time window. Allowing an application to pump the QUIC connection, and have the transport just deal with it without any special configuration seems attractive. In other words, if the transport is not application-limited then it can always keep the congestion window full. A scheduler can always demote such streams to behind all other streams. However, a receiver that doesn't immediately drain such streams will cause app limitation, which could affect the privacy targets. We might want to document that.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #4209. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4223 -- Commit Summary -- * RFC8164 is exemplary -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4223.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4223.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4223 ----==_mimepart_5f8898f6e8a26_5219b4135058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #4209.

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  • RFC8164 is exemplary

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 15 11:59:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EDB3A10D6 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:58:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytxwTuFcqydx for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E40A63A0FB6 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-8cdffe6.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.114.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4DEADE07F7 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602788337; bh=qOapj4lSbbHS/AneH6TNGTCBjdC0eP6n6cDg7MHGyd8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mca/QdLrbMzYKMeJPzYiD4l+O4b9ocFtvq4FVc/DCm9UtIjhvFUB7P96PxTUSbjVL 1l2NyFaBAnIy2vg3LeNMmZ+/paTL71ZPkD+tWxfcCv0OIaux9v+AaUDqOqMrvXM84e 6FMt/nqXRC1yJHFfxwRb+O0B5Id2n5hFDZr9G3oA= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:58:57 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Error codes (#4219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f889bf14ab48_4a19b4200564"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 18:58:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f889bf14ab48_4a19b4200564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this is referring to the set of error codes which are "reserved to exercise the requirement that unknown error codes be treated as equivalent to H3_NO_ERROR." An unrecognized stream type could be a real extension which the recipient doesn't support, or might be a GREASE type. Because of that, it seems appropriate to potentially use the GREASE error codes in response to such streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4219#issuecomment-709528753 ----==_mimepart_5f889bf14ab48_4a19b4200564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, this is referring to the set of error codes which are "reserved to exercise the requirement that unknown error codes be treated as equivalent to H3_NO_ERROR." An unrecognized stream type could be a real extension which the recipient doesn't support, or might be a GREASE type. Because of that, it seems appropriate to potentially use the GREASE error codes in response to such streams.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +(Section 9.4 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Before any RTT samples are available for a
+new path or when the estimator is reset, the estimator is initialized using an
+initial RTT value of 333ms; see {{pto-handshake}}.

Fair enough.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 QUIC depends upon a minimum IP packet size of at least 1280 bytes.  This is the
 IPv6 minimum size ({{?IPv6=RFC8200}}) and is also supported by most modern IPv4
-networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a QUIC maximum
-packet size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.
+networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a maximum
+datagram size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.

It isn't the IP packet size or the QUIC packet size -- this really is about the UDP payload size (1280 - 20/40 - 8 = 1252/1232). I'm leaving this as is.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 QUIC depends upon a minimum IP packet size of at least 1280 bytes.  This is the
 IPv6 minimum size ({{?IPv6=RFC8200}}) and is also supported by most modern IPv4
-networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a QUIC maximum
-packet size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.
+networks.  Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a maximum
+datagram size of 1232 bytes for IPv6 and 1252 bytes for IPv4.

I'm now spelling this out a bit more, so the computation is crystal clear.

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I think this is good.

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Merged #4220 into master.

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Editorial suggestion. I'm fine with merging this, but @gloinul should probably see if it addresses his issue. > +({{time-threshold}}) loss detection. Time threshold loss detection +is expected to both expire earlier than the PTO and be less likely to +spuriously retransmit data. ```suggestion loss detection ({{time-threshold}}). A timer that is set for time threshold loss detection is expected to both expire earlier than the PTO timer and be less likely to spuriously retransmit data. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4222#pullrequestreview-509787864 ----==_mimepart_5f88b2b58fb57_5019b411668c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Having looked through the occurrences of "connection" in the document, I mostly think it's clear from context which type of connection we're talking about. (It also helps that an HTTP/3 connection is a QUIC connection, and so it's rarely necessary to distinguish the two.) I did a slightly aggressive pass in 2530b98, but I think I'm going to pare that down a bit.

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Gah! Thanks for this fix.

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Merged #4203 into master.

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Okay, I've pushed a less-aggressive change as dae7b75.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -241,6 +241,9 @@ frame:
   frames."  References without this preface refer to frames defined in
   {{frames}}.
 
+HTTP/3 connection:
+: A QUIC connection where the negotiated application protocol is HTTP/3.

I'm inclined toward keeping negotiation here.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 15 14:28:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333373A0838 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gYSftVA1OAZi for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E331E3A07CE for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3089205.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.36]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2289DE1E3E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:27:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602797277; bh=LRg9OCX3pfIGwire0pCurSnbCq2JVl+bJQwznmaNcOQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qCk2dUlUKLdv1nNn4ahuIlFsQKMc/RoEEpuKEHT/FF4wd65Lhbej5oUDwvyuqi+K+ g+7ZMcGXAInElUlBXUpDCbpz3qxtD5VeSxP+B8Sh9owlnSTzHNuyBKj2kyRGL18lVe RDyH+fpr5CsO7+BDxz2YqvP0wn2o97NspG2g/V9g= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:27:57 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update AEAD limits for larger packets (#4175) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88bedd1e964_22d19b4487ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:27:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88bedd1e964_22d19b4487ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar approved this pull request. A few minor points. > @@ -2299,17 +2307,23 @@ o: : The amount of offline ideal cipher queries made by an adversary. The analyses that follow rely on a count of the number of block operations -involved in producing each message. For simplicity, and to match the analysis of -other AEAD functions in {{AEBounds}}, this analysis assumes a packet length of -2^10 blocks; that is, a packet size limit of 2^14 bytes. +involved in producing each message. This analysis is performed for packets of +up to 2^11 (l = 2^7) and 2^16 (l = 2^12). A size of 2^11 is expected to be a ```suggestion size up to 2^11 (l = 2^7) and 2^16 (l = 2^12). A size of 2^11 is expected to be a ``` > @@ -2299,17 +2307,23 @@ o: : The amount of offline ideal cipher queries made by an adversary. The analyses that follow rely on a count of the number of block operations -involved in producing each message. For simplicity, and to match the analysis of -other AEAD functions in {{AEBounds}}, this analysis assumes a packet length of -2^10 blocks; that is, a packet size limit of 2^14 bytes. +involved in producing each message. This analysis is performed for packets of +up to 2^11 (l = 2^7) and 2^16 (l = 2^12). A size of 2^11 is expected to be a +limit that matches common deployment patterns, whereas the 2^16 is the maximum +possible size of a QUIC packet. Only endpoints that strictly limit packet size +can use the larger limits that are derived using the smaller packet size. limit is being used for multiple things here -- these limits and also packet size limit. ```suggestion can use the larger confidentiality and integrity limits that are derived using the smaller packet size. ``` > ~~~ -Thus, endpoints cannot protect more than 2^25 packets in a single connection -without causing an attacker to gain an larger advantage than the target of -2^-57. +Thus, endpoints that do not send packets larger than 2^11 bytes cannot protect +more than 2^28 packets in a single connection without causing an attacker to +gain an larger advantage than the target of 2^-57. The limit for endpoints that +do not limit packet size is instead 2^23. ```suggestion allow for the packet size to be as large as 2^16 is instead 2^23. ``` > ~~~ -For AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the second and fourth terms dominate the rest, so the -others can be removed without affecting the result. This produces the following -approximation: +Endpoints that do not attempt to remove protection from packets larger than +2^11 bytes can attempt to remove protection from at most 2^57 packets. Packets ```suggestion 2^11 bytes can attempt to remove protection from at most 2^57 packets. Endpoints ``` > +attempt to remove protection from any packet can attempt to remove protection +from at most 2^52 packets. ```suggestion that do not restrict the size of processed packets can attempt to remove protection from at most 2^52 packets. ``` > ~~~ -Assuming `q = v`, endpoints cannot attempt to protect or authenticate more than -2^23.5 packets with the same set of keys without causing an attacker to gain a -larger advantage in forging packets than the target of 2^-57. +By setting `q = v`, values for both confidentiality and integrity limits can be +produced. Endpoints that limit packets to 2^11 bytes therefore have both +confidentiality and integrity limits of 2^26.5 packets. Endpoints that do not +limit packet size have a limit of 2^21.5. ```suggestion restrict packet size have a limit of 2^21.5. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Sorry if I'm slow to understand this kind of issue, but can someone explain to me the problem that @marten-seemann is trying to describe in #4183 (comment)? In particular:

Thus, the client could receive an ACK for its ClientHello (in a packet that was not padded), and it will keep retransmitting the ClientHello indefinitely.

This doesn't make sense to me. If the client has received an ACK for its ClientHello, why is it retransmitting it? The fact that the packet containing the initial ACK from the server was padded or not doesn't change anything.

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@DavidSchinazi I believe that comment is an error. It should be "Thus, the client could receive and ACK for its PING sent in Initial ...."

As you said, once the ClientHello is acknowledged, a peer would not retransmit it.

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Going back to the principled approach I described earlier (use MUST to makes sure the handshake doesn't complete on bad asymmetric links; use SHOULD to prevent wasted bytes for handshakes that won't ever succeed), I'd say this can be solved by saying that servers SHOULD pad ACK-only initial packets. That said, saying that the server MUST pad all initials except for ones that only contain CONNECTION_CLOSE frames would also be fine by me. Relatedly, that's what our implementation does. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-709632078 ----==_mimepart_5f88d37c53bd6_d5a19b458982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ah, thanks @ianswett .

Going back to the principled approach I described earlier (use MUST to makes sure the handshake doesn't complete on bad asymmetric links; use SHOULD to prevent wasted bytes for handshakes that won't ever succeed), I'd say this can be solved by saying that servers SHOULD pad ACK-only initial packets.

That said, saying that the server MUST pad all initials except for ones that only contain CONNECTION_CLOSE frames would also be fine by me. Relatedly, that's what our implementation does.

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@ianswett Thank you for pointing out that this is a duplicate of #3546 and that we have a fix. I missed the "don't reset" clause in the recovery draft.

We can close this issue.

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Based on @marten-seemann comment, I'm now favoring requiring both the client AND server to pad all Initial packets except CONNECTION_CLOSE.

However, I don't think the point raised is that problematic. The client will keep PTO-ing a full-sized Initial containing a PING, but with exponential backoff. This isn't that different from the situation when a connection is black-holed, though if the RTT sample was very small, this would be more aggressive than a new connection.

Thanks to @ianswett for pointing out that we already have exponential backoff as a defense. As he pointed out in the other thread, our consensus that was established in #3546 was that PTO back off counter must not be reset under these circumstances, because resetting the counter leads to a ping pong when the server takes time in generating ServerHello.

Based on that prior consensus, I think there are two ways forward:

    1. Make no changes to #4188, ACK-only Initials do not have to be padded, because we can rely on that defense.
    1. Reopen #3546 as the defense is too fragile, consider other methods, and also discuss if ACK-only Initials have to be padded.

My preference goes to option 1, though personally I would not oppose to reopening #3546. I do not want to see sudden spike of traffic when a server fails to instantly load a SNI-specific configuration.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:23:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8CC3A0C96 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UyoMFssuXYB2 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DC4E3A0C43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-9118d52.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 42AA45C0426 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602804207; bh=0aVqen+j0WfXHugdpc1hOs1CG9WLhj+tLu3iPsP2HEs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=tuwTgLtYMYunyh4dITX/Ie0+WNiUbXSR02EHn4G60fH4p3HwKmqBPoX/2uzETKrad E8jjLXWFpU5/l9rc9RGdqSjbw3fvtmRw3HpS1sHR291GdONW+6azL2KuVC9hPb1Fsw 74Y5rbPdL12w8iYNm/ME9HO+UsNNiq5XUFyBFx8w= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:27 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ef94ae: Update AEAD limits for larger packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:23:29 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: ef94ae1459b3369fb234d36c9cad9c85ec04ee06 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef94ae1459b3369fb234d36c9cad9c85ec04ee06 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-02 (Fri, 02 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update AEAD limits for larger packets The analysis describes conditions where higher limits might be allowed, and provides a formula in each case that can be used to determine other limits more readily. The number of changes I've made here are somewhat frightening. This is why I resisted doing this. This will need careful double-checking. The actual numbers don't concern me much, it's the changes to the structure that need to be looked at. Some of the changes are editorial, but they still need extra eyes. Closes #3701. Commit: 551184a2b3b9cd9069092eeadb8a7c4489a7bb4e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/551184a2b3b9cd9069092eeadb8a7c4489a7bb4e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-09 (Fri, 09 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Grammaaaaaa! Commit: 5280b951376d486bc41a322e5f9ef25391542c5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5280b951376d486bc41a322e5f9ef25391542c5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Code review tweaks wrapping needed... Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: feff7323e85389f3d25776b59617f0a8ef31e4cf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/feff7323e85389f3d25776b59617f0a8ef31e4cf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Wrap Commit: bf5c397df589a17b35f1ae9d505564df47a8718a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bf5c397df589a17b35f1ae9d505564df47a8718a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4175 from quicwg/large-packet-limits Update AEAD limits for larger packets Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1e6e346a6058...bf5c397df589 From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:23:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FA73A0C43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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----==_mimepart_5f88d9f4f3e15_5219b49521b-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:24:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F1E3A0C8F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.241 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.241 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yhuzjwI7QsW8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 225B03A0C43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-e97849a.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8109A5C0036 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602804237; bh=T4c2ss8z0OiLSqpqtXY5+WZz9P/vp6Du2IGRU50Zzbc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=st+G8JGzzWfLKo/MwKFHMds9MrXufSAhNYVqAR2C+N3uFIy/DDZcmK+ut+cFRuaV4 n30IhlXZ/WHGJ7OBC84kPidSwJboDlyFh7Nk0qxGmUSTu2nK/pgZWWgeN6zi4Pwis9 nRtWz/bcp8i56EjnUmxKsOZSItzXxjFzwrxzTXYw= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:23:57 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] update refs for -12 of http core drafts (#4181) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88da0d7d948_5619b414348d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:23:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88da0d7d948_5619b414348d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why hasn't this been merged? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4181#issuecomment-709640701 ----==_mimepart_5f88da0d7d948_5619b414348d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Closed #4186 via #4187.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:29:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1303A0BDF for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QT-EmHvB_J63 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2CA93A0BA8 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-30871c7.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.69]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F2CA05E0E38 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:29:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602804545; bh=SBunrkhvNATHQmm3I44lwVnBK1YjPAYlGMl9pLgUbJ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gCUYzwD+Ldus+1Xf7RwH5GwZSrKIuNEIWR1jVnkSQZcsz9o2e0eHe5b66TDU+X1ET +b3S/nGhND4XFG3ifadhB8x0MAaW5LESIksSo0qXYMoDldD0tJMa0Yh8DtU11+0Haq yP2G+n54UPTc6Oi2AwXslVKFGnlSlepBNvz5Vljc= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:29:04 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88db40ef996_4719b49481f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:29:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88db40ef996_4719b49481f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Padding ACK-only Initial packets does make this ping-pong with exponential backoff much less problematic, so I still think padding all Initials to full size except CONNECTION_CLOSE is likely the option with the smallest number of potential issues. I think the only way to reopen #3546 is to revisit how we prevent servers from being blocked by the amplification factor, ie #3162. That could make things simpler, but I don't believe the WG is up for it and we're pretty late in the game to be making major changes, so I'd advise against it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-709642057 ----==_mimepart_5f88db40ef996_4719b49481f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Padding ACK-only Initial packets does make this ping-pong with exponen= tial backoff much less problematic, so I still think padding all Initials= to full size except CONNECTION_CLOSE is likely the option with the small= est number of potential issues.

I think the only way to reopen #3546 is to revisit how we prevent serve= rs from being blocked by the amplification factor, ie #3162. That could m= ake things simpler, but I don't believe the WG is up for it and we're pre= tty late in the game to be making major changes, so I'd advise against it= .

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I've taken this change manually, after reverting the change to the invariants doc. After looking at this more closely, the invariants doc does not include specifics of how to generate a Version Negotiation packet and this takes an awkward step in that direction.

Rather than start to import the rules into invariants piecemeal like this, I think that it is cleaner to leave the rules for generating a Version Negotiation packet as version-specific, which is already clearly the case.

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Addendum: I missed the bit about this being a blanket "version-specific rules for packets". I've changed this to "version-specific rules for connection IDs", to reflect the context better. And to avoid tripping up on the packet size rules in version 1.

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As @marten-seemann points out, a server might have a validated path with MTU less than 1200 bytes when it uses Retry. 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Log Message: ----------- revert changes to the address validation section, as server-side requirements are unrelated Commit: c550cb4399b41241f7394d8a2d5728fb87b9f72b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c550cb4399b41241f7394d8a2d5728fb87b9f72b Author: janaiyengar Date: 2020-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- editorial Commit: adbe600fae62a5aaac76876a634baf2c00575c04 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/adbe600fae62a5aaac76876a634baf2c00575c04 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2020-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- wordwrap Commit: 8f5dff7dddbf7936c4ef3f6934d997fb8f1a216a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8f5dff7dddbf7936c4ef3f6934d997fb8f1a216a Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2020-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson Commit: b1ab5f8a6ccd1aecb0ac44e38b4a660c4ef7fd11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1ab5f8a6ccd1aecb0ac44e38b4a660c4ef7fd11 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2020-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson Commit: 52af580a8bbf7ace504ec6600c47734044d69fbc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52af580a8bbf7ace504ec6600c47734044d69fbc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4188 from kazuho/kazuho/server-packet-size Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f226d885730f...52af580a8bbf From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:34:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost 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Merged #4188 into master.

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Thanks for patiently working through this @kazuho. This was difficult, but the fix was, in the end, fairly tidy.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -924,8 +924,10 @@ based on the client's initial Destination Connection ID, as described in
 The keys used for packet protection are computed from the TLS secrets using the
 KDF provided by TLS.  In TLS 1.3, the HKDF-Expand-Label function described in
 Section 7.1 of {{!TLS13}} is used, using the hash function from the negotiated
-cipher suite.  Other versions of TLS MUST provide a similar function in order to
-be used with QUIC.
+cipher suite.  Note that labels, which are described using strings, are encoded
+as bytes using ASCII {{?ASCII=RFC0020}} without quotes or any trailing NUL
+byte.  Other versions of TLS MUST provide a similar function in order to be

This is singular intentionally, to avoid problems like might arise from:

const char* label = "quic key";
hkdf_expand_label(...., label, strlen(label), ...);

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Doubly so. Closes #4198. 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Note that this critically says that a Destination Connection ID of any length is not sufficient to prove that the server got the packet. This is because the client doesn't know how hard the value is to guess, even if the value is 8 byte or more long and might appear to contain sufficient entropy (it could be a deterministic function of the client address, for example). Commit: 9811e96cf6e4604bd5ae583824c4ccbacfbe4b84 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9811e96cf6e4604bd5ae583824c4ccbacfbe4b84 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- so... 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As the goal of the text was to ensure that old keys not be used, using that formulation avoids any confusion that might be caused from not having a reference against which to decide which is "newer". Closes #4199. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4224 -- Commit Summary -- * Prohibit using old keys for sending -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4224.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4224.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4224 ----==_mimepart_5f88de757361e_5919b4380cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In this context, "newer" was confusing as the code permits the creation
of the next set of packet protection keys when switching over. As the
goal of the text was to ensure that old keys not be used, using that
formulation avoids any confusion that might be caused from not having a
reference against which to decide which is "newer".

Closes #4199.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4224

Commit Summary

  • Prohibit using old keys for sending

File Changes

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----==_mimepart_5f88de757361e_5919b4380cc-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:43:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14D93A0CD6 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B_tT2at9jBCv for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A5153A0C8F for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-dfbf205.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 397FAE0378 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602805424; bh=+GkAD+7UJdSCfOEjMrhIu3urX/2byd5D12GqDAVTEtE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vfsxFsPrb/kwEDCzRS2QMP5jJQY0otezL+6yajo0DM5VV70CUNxnIwPLPNhMPh/DT PMBV1AtnU88bTdt2oB8hIYH0V5P7c7ydzUK4giqzVGp9Wp6IcEbINDUa/1LYdX+Baj azGm23micX2N2wOpTxx228pNHIPlakr0sKWH8IhY= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:43:44 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS-31: Sending with Updated keys (#4199) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88deb036074_5c19b470780"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:43:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88deb036074_5c19b470780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did that in #4224, but somehow it slipped the net and I failed to create the pull request. Sorry about that. I'll make the recommended change (or something like it). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4199#issuecomment-709645896 ----==_mimepart_5f88deb036074_5c19b470780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I did that in #4224, but somehow it slipped the net and I failed to create the pull request. Sorry about that. I'll make the recommended change (or something like it).

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I think these say the same thing, but the new text is shorter, which I always like.

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----==_mimepart_5f88dfb3b9b5b_3a19b419980-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:52:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035FE3A0D09 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yDRRVsPP7hDR for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D26433A0CF5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-61f14f3.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 36A28340D4E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602805922; bh=Lf7ruUD2bxNW5EA3A0ujxhUJJHLip020QpdYYpA+YpY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jU8A+xJmmGm0iRiTyxhiq+fR/MbhqXRunlcNKbwYLGTOye4S/x13rFD65BmkswiHk opxdK+VwHbfgF/6MJcbDfAl5LPcqo1dJbxOQsEAfN+4ZGX+3H5C2O1mYElrW4AHGQx FRpQnEL5MOymwkzWFOHi/L7mn4FqzorXWR1q20gI= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:52:02 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88e0a232388_4419b4617cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:52:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88e0a232388_4419b4617cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that this is remedied in the same way as we have elsewhere: we can recommend that endpoints pad probing packets to at least 1200 bytes. If any packet containing PATH_CHALLENGE is never less than 1200 bytes, the path will never be valid without the MTU also being sufficient. Rebinding will allow moving to path that is not validated, but I expect that not to be a significant risk. It seems equally likely that the path MTU would spontaneously reduce. And then there is the period where an unvalidated path is used, separate from the rebinding case. Nothing much to be done for that, but there is a firm limit on that, because a path is abandoned when validation fails. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709647985 ----==_mimepart_5f88e0a232388_4419b4617cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that this is remedied in the same way as we have elsewhere: we can recommend that endpoints pad probing packets to at least 1200 bytes. If any packet containing PATH_CHALLENGE is never less than 1200 bytes, the path will never be valid without the MTU also being sufficient.

Rebinding will allow moving to path that is not validated, but I expect that not to be a significant risk. It seems equally likely that the path MTU would spontaneously reduce.

And then there is the period where an unvalidated path is used, separate from the rebinding case. Nothing much to be done for that, but there is a firm limit on that, because a path is abandoned when validation fails.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

@gloinul's request was quite clear, so you should merge this and close the issue.

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As the goal of the text was to ensure that old keys not be used, using that formulation avoids any confusion that might be caused from not having a reference against which to decide which is "newer". Closes #4199. Commit: f250e5ee626c717adcda05067e27cf2eb688d71f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f250e5ee626c717adcda05067e27cf2eb688d71f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Extra words Commit: a563626a1f409ce3a41994aa20a020793ef86aa1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a563626a1f409ce3a41994aa20a020793ef86aa1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4224 from quicwg/not-older-keys Prohibit using old keys for sending Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/de6a61c9e4ad...a563626a1f40 From nobody Thu Oct 15 16:56:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF3E3A0CF5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RkNKH4JFRr6h for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C50B3A0D06 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-05799de.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C7E9C840ACF for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:55:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602806155; bh=rfu7cKFrOH5gKneIuRJ2xpcEOdS/Nx4Y03C0SQ1cCcY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ivunjur1mV45mK/yKspvt3//Pnxo16rfI8FJDBpewuRiNjiy7ULUAmq8vOwPlx2PQ 7P3vwnzO5mmMKdBSf4pmo6wbasoKTGU7K5k/1MqWyACB2X8pEHSEupAXPEHZLpbshP 7Boh7OtE/2dviIMegXN4n7JYPaMNITfG88kIyA2A= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:55:55 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prohibit using old keys for sending (#4224) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88e18bc4226_4719b4985e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:55:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88e18bc4226_4719b4985e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #4224 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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If you don't pad these packets, then you don't know that the path supports a reasonable PMTU. Require padding of datagrams that carry packets that carry PATH_CHALLENGE. This neatly solves the problem. Closes #4216. From nobody Thu Oct 15 17:02:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4061D3A0D0E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:02:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WoOh4xnNq_vB for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E44E53A0C96 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1ca0c68.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.120.38]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 045F760075E for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602806530; bh=DqOzGrgfyeUnRyg2sP8cldVJmsBAM2UmAy1L0gpvpVg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2Xzalur1a9T0W93EL6X6C1dgIvgLJXA8GApHylPTZPZAh79Gn7GBxPOIC8jVVYmEB K/hItw6HrxGWvv/eNuwTfYMws7WW40ETls59BaO+bBJg4yV8W0irWUPMZmS023ZuZI PzORom5liCiUU1SNa+r7ovHlEfKTZZR9cqk8S2wY= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:02:10 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad when validating addresses (#4226) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88e301f3c3a_5019b4147219"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:02:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88e301f3c3a_5019b4147219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This isn't obvious, but if you are validating an address, you are also validating the path to that address. If you don't pad these packets, then you don't know that the path supports a reasonable PMTU. Require padding of datagrams that carry packets that carry PATH_CHALLENGE. This neatly solves the problem. Closes #4216. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4226 -- Commit Summary -- * Pad when validating addresses -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (97) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4226.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4226.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4226 ----==_mimepart_5f88e301f3c3a_5019b4147219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This isn't obvious, but if you are validating an address, you are also
validating the path to that address. If you don't pad these packets,
then you don't know that the path supports a reasonable PMTU.

Require padding of datagrams that carry packets that carry
PATH_CHALLENGE. This neatly solves the problem.

Closes #4216.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4226

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I would write down the steps that I think would lead to a problem even when both endpoints pad their probe packets. Would you mind pointing out where I'm wrong? step 1: client sends a full-sized PATH_CHALLENGE on a new path step 2: server receives that packet, sends a full-sized PATH_RESPONSE *on the old path* step 3: client receives PATH_RESPONSE, and calls the path as being validated step 4: (for some reason; e.g. client sending non-probe packets) server tries to validate the new path, by sending a full-sized PATH_CHALLENGE on the new path step 5: client never receives the PATH_CHALLENGE because PMTU in the server -> client direction was sub-1200. step 6: server fails to validate the path -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson I'm not sure if I agree. I would write down the steps that I think would lead to a problem even when both endpoints pad their probe packets. Would you mind pointing out where I'm wrong?

step 1: client sends a full-sized PATH_CHALLENGE on a new path
step 2: server receives that packet, sends a full-sized PATH_RESPONSE on the old path
step 3: client receives PATH_RESPONSE, and calls the path as being validated
step 4: (for some reason; e.g. client sending non-probe packets) server tries to validate the new path, by sending a full-sized PATH_CHALLENGE on the new path
step 5: client never receives the PATH_CHALLENGE because PMTU in the server -> client direction was sub-1200.
step 6: server fails to validate the path

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@janaiyengar were just discussing the same failure mode. Note also that the PATH_RESPONSE can be on the old path as well, so recommending padding for that won't work.

I think that the padding idea is helpful, but not completely good. I'll explain more in a longer posting.

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----==_mimepart_5f88e4d367479_bba19b4865e-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 17:18:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606443A0D34 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:18:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hG6-cb7kx945 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E33E73A0D32 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-9aa0122.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1DB64840D73 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602807479; bh=RAZwWgyVU/ktg/05uvha/EkM2uI+t6/sO+c9timEakI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aJAhGG0dvpW76Y1BN4/ma5ZM9QiQwtZhd5apHDgHac/ZEg6zsLStCoctUajE9MRHL jMz5vw0Itr+vLZgd9b0tFkiJ4cGc8UvTXl4D3+wOdPGdqydtVK1s2Fb5zw0xBlAPAX 34bvxya84Sr0zpr2mjo2PfWn6DvOcgY/aB5WFzUk= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:17:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f88e6b719e7b_5119b435787"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:18:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f88e6b719e7b_5119b435787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The reason that padding doesn't work is that the PATH_RESPONSE can be small or follow a different path. At which point the client thinks that the path is good. If the client migrates, the server will attempt to validate that path. If the server pads to 1200, then its validation will fail. I think that the server switches back to the old path at this point, which might have no effect. The client might have closed the socket by then. At this point, the client continues in its use of the new, broken path. The server either keeps attempting to validate that new path successfully (at an interval determined by how often it retries path validation), or just gives up. If the server keeps going, you get into a weird state where the connection can stutter along. Either way, the connection is no longer useful. This is slightly faster than the case where PATH_CHALLENGE is not padded in any way. There, you might end up with an path that appears to be good, until you need to send more data. That might take some time. At least this way you path validation failure within ~3PTO. Padding is also an improvement in that it detects paths that have an MTU that is uniformly less than 1200. Without revisiting the underlying design, I think that we just have to accept this limitation. And I guess we should acknowledge it - I'll add some text on that point. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709655396 ----==_mimepart_5f88e6b719e7b_5119b435787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The reason that padding doesn't work is that the PATH_RESPONSE can be small or follow a different path. At which point the client thinks that the path is good. If the client migrates, the server will attempt to validate that path. If the server pads to 1200, then its validation will fail.

I think that the server switches back to the old path at this point, which might have no effect. The client might have closed the socket by then.

At this point, the client continues in its use of the new, broken path. The server either keeps attempting to validate that new path successfully (at an interval determined by how often it retries path validation), or just gives up. If the server keeps going, you get into a weird state where the connection can stutter along. Either way, the connection is no longer useful.

This is slightly faster than the case where PATH_CHALLENGE is not padded in any way. There, you might end up with an path that appears to be good, until you need to send more data. That might take some time. At least this way you path validation failure within ~3PTO.

Padding is also an improvement in that it detects paths that have an MTU that is uniformly less than 1200.

Without revisiting the underlying design, I think that we just have to accept this limitation. And I guess we should acknowledge it - I'll add some text on that point.

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I can't think of a way around the limitations here without redesigning the core design. I would suggest moving forward with padding PATH_CHALLENGEs and articulate the potential risks here. Connection migration remains a gift that keeps on giving, and I would expect it to give more as we experiment with it in the field. Let's not lose ourselves in trying to perfect the design of a feature that we are going to learn a lot more about as we deploy QUICv1. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709657993 ----==_mimepart_5f88e8716adbd_4919b413937b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree. I can't think of a way around the limitations here without redesigning the core design. I would suggest moving forward with padding PATH_CHALLENGEs and articulate the potential risks here.

Connection migration remains a gift that keeps on giving, and I would expect it to give more as we experiment with it in the field. Let's not lose ourselves in trying to perfect the design of a feature that we are going to learn a lot more about as we deploy QUICv1.

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+1 to not doing a redesign in v1.

That said, I tend to think that it might be possible to fix this issue with small tweaks. Specifically, I wonder if stating following would address the problem:

  • a sender MUST pad PATH_CHALLENGE
  • when receiving PATH_CHALLENGE, an endpoint MUST send a padded PATH_RESPONSE using the path on which PATH_CHALLENGE was received
  • receiving PATH_CHALLENGE on any path is valid (this is existing requirement)

The reason we have the last bullet point is to prevent issues caused by MOTS attackers racing packets. We have to keep them. However, that necessary does not mean that the sender of PATH_RESPONSE should be entitled to send PATH_RESPONSE on any path. If we tighten the requirement on the sender of PATH_RESPONSE, I think that the issue might go away, without causing any regression?

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@kazuho: I was literally writing exactly this out, modulo that last point, which I think is a very good addition. This is a small enough tweak even to the text that I think we can pull this off with a minor change.

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----==_mimepart_5f88f100579b9_7e719b4194130-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 20:24:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3443A00E0 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKYdl8sN6QIF for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93EFF3A00DB for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ee37a0c.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.44]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4F6855E020C for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602818667; bh=vmby/gzzhMa8bJDpq/TYHgR0idr1etbpSx9drq3Fhoc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mypNn8m89vdcFy8kmv6DTFcwkxlYzJF/39oTZXIfzmQlWhQ9x9kotC5sePO7OHpVt S7lxjtV6MCBAYbFr0ydYxrZP0DDm/LYjMgIMJlJditzQNFYooqVaC1J/Nf544mH7Yq yRSan+sYV2Cc5f1cWyt1cRL/K3KrMH7Tx2Sebv70= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:24:27 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server SHOULD send full-sized datagrams until the path is validated (#4188) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89126b4bd45_2d0d19b411052a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 03:24:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89126b4bd45_2d0d19b411052a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why was this already merged? I don't believe that this PR is a good solution for the issue, as I've detailed in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-708876280. I still think we should include ACK-only packets in the padding requirement. This would allow us to get rid of the change made in this PR that limits the number of retransmissions on undecryptable packets, and it would prevent a ping-pong (even if that ping-pong comes with an exponential backoff). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188#issuecomment-709708138 ----==_mimepart_5f89126b4bd45_2d0d19b411052a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why was this already merged? I don't believe that this PR is a good solution for the issue, as I've detailed in #4183 (comment).

I still think we should include ACK-only packets in the padding requirement. This would allow us to get rid of the change made in this PR that limits the number of retransmissions on undecryptable packets, and it would prevent a ping-pong (even if that ping-pong comes with an exponential backoff).

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Reopened #4183.

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Reopening this. My mistake for not reading all of the discussion here.

Like others, I believe that #4188 is sufficient. ACK frames will get through. The client will send another packet on PTO (as the timer remains armed), but the client doesn't reset the PTO count, so it will back off to nothing. As Ian says, it sends a little faster if the RTT is lower than its initial estimate, but it still continues.

The only other difference I see here is that the small packets containing ACK frames will tickle the idle timer on the client. For clients that rely on the idle timeout alone to end connection attempts they will hang around until the exponential backoff exceeds the idle timeout. (Our test client is like this, because we expect applications to set a timer for connection establishment.)

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I am moving this back to "Consensus Emerging" so we don't forget to call it out during the IETF LC.

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If @reschke isn't responding, @MikeBishop should use his best judgement and then merge this.

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----==_mimepart_5f893c12dc584_5219b42122e9-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 23:30:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4383A0D2A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z_AgKkQmtpA5 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 792FD3A0D29 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c306552.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.118.49]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 844155E0F43 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:29:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602829797; bh=8d5jvtP8fhOljzlqUY4EO+ZDGU2qbBOjV6nuaekc5cI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1/TRhXW2+/UjoG7xtA6LsYNlR2s26rdnItYUP1av11hTWfLca4VlwHb7El4ky6IsN gsfNVOCFCI4msYt+lvrBbOgHmw+Il5gL3m3KWRO717NPvBIG+glrJwLAe2Nn3zQlLO sl4vbEeCMChI8IWdpYuWmg1S6aiRlw+dpBfkWn20= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:29:57 -0700 From: Julian Reschke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] update refs for -12 of http core drafts (#4182) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f893de5811f1_5319b42090f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: reschke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 06:30:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f893de5811f1_5319b42090f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I only did a mechanical check (restoring the references that were there before). @MikeBishop - if you feel that these can be improved just go ahead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4182#issuecomment-709839616 ----==_mimepart_5f893de5811f1_5319b42090f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I only did a mechanical check (restoring the references that were there before). @MikeBishop - if you feel that these can be improved just go ahead.

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----==_mimepart_5f893de5811f1_5319b42090f3-- From nobody Thu Oct 15 23:51:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0566F3A0D3A for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LynUL88o0t4c for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAEDA3A0D39 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-8b55da2.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.120.74]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DC6015C0DD9 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602831101; bh=RbkQDmNF8RLZyf8yXtwZemI9abARG9KkrV1kXjXnWxc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pemxH3W6723uW9GKE73MNe9YvZywUzYhPvX2lWdc3gkobs94IC6NBmyk3uk2y4gwT XJ3NH+F8JB44S8fbLqsqwhLnqgdW8sVYDhMNXMQ5b94EIgYDBvbOel/qPqVWuCZt/R ffY2OlZr07MVIdjOEdJqso1D9dU5juUeDw1E99nY= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:51:41 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't refer to the Time Threshold Loss Detection Timer (#4222) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8942fdd8c8a_3f19b470554"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 06:51:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8942fdd8c8a_3f19b470554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson approved this pull request. The second suggestion is a little risky, but avoids a slightly awkward construction. > @@ -610,10 +610,10 @@ in the Handshake packet number space. The total length of time over which consecutive PTOs expire is limited by the idle timeout. -The probe timer MUST NOT be set if the time threshold ({{time-threshold}}) loss -detection timer is set. The time threshold loss detection timer is expected -to both expire earlier than the PTO and be less likely to spuriously retransmit -data. +The PTO timer MUST NOT be set if a timer is set for time threshold +loss detection ({{time-threshold}}). A timer that is set for time ```suggestion loss detection; see {{time-threshold}}. A timer that is set for time ``` > +threshold loss detection is expected to both expire earlier than +the PTO timer and be less likely to spuriously retransmit data. ```suggestion threshold loss detection will expire earlier than the PTO timer in many cases and is less likely to spuriously retransmit data. ``` I think that this is accurate: the time threshold mostly fires earlier, but if it does fire, then it will select the data that is most likely to be lost for retransmission. PTO logic for selecting what to send is far less precise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4222#pullrequestreview-510195415 ----==_mimepart_5f8942fdd8c8a_3f19b470554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -368,7 +368,7 @@ The two least significant bits from a stream ID therefore identify a stream as
 one of four types, as summarized in {{stream-id-types}}.
 
 | Bits | Stream Type                      |
-|:-----|:---------------------------------|
+| :--- | :------------------------------- |

WTF vscode.

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I think some words on the properties that application level requested usage of reserved stream has would also be good. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4221#issuecomment-709889175 ----==_mimepart_5f8951f9bd4f9_1d0819b470390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ok that is one aspect that would benefit from clarification. I think some words on the properties that application level requested usage of reserved stream has would also be good.

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----==_mimepart_5f8951f9bd4f9_1d0819b470390-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 00:59:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099723A0DA4 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFRVhSOMNuHM for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A743A0D9D for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-83aef73.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.113.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C5637560D4F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:59:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602835162; bh=GyQncS6Co2oQffI8eiq5HjFLTJ9lSSZIbe9qestRBYo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NJ5iFjUF+NubnTLcAPZ8r5MFJLCcLe+xy3qx5vOk1ujZREnhphph94sFy3vJEjDKI ZnVwIxm+Wj4y/rVWI6ogr1Rhjsp4lhf8p6Uqla7sWnHNwmOGRq+g3i2LVwjE9YGy5C BnBW5/dXfQHd6/nAp3B+Z9gloS2H7KGm8hzpvCU0= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 00:59:22 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Error codes (#4219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8952dac1912_15c019b4852f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:59:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8952dac1912_15c019b4852f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't it problematic for an HTTP/3 endpoint that receives a for it unknown stream type to abort it and respond H3_NO_ERROR. To me that looks potentially problematic as it might indicate something worked okay if that extension have the behavior of receiving a block of data and then close down the stream? Or should any of this extension anyway be negotiated using SETTINGS so this should never be an issue as the peer should know through that SETTINGS exchange what the peer is capable of? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4219#issuecomment-709890894 ----==_mimepart_5f8952dac1912_15c019b4852f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Isn't it problematic for an HTTP/3 endpoint that receives a for it unknown stream type to abort it and respond H3_NO_ERROR. To me that looks potentially problematic as it might indicate something worked okay if that extension have the behavior of receiving a block of data and then close down the stream? Or should any of this extension anyway be negotiated using SETTINGS so this should never be an issue as the peer should know through that SETTINGS exchange what the peer is capable of?

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Thanks @MikeBishop that commit appear good to me. I think with these changes this issue is resolved.

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In Section 7.2.3: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-cancel_push

A server SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame even if it has opened the corresponding stream.

Is the intention that this sentence should have this meaning?

"A server that has opened a stream for a PUSH and is unable to fulfill this promise SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame with the corresponding Push ID."

I think as currently formulated it is missing the criteria as well when this may occur.

Secondly the alternative is also not clear. I assume this is a SHOULD as the stream can be reset with an error code? Does that need to be added and which error will be used?

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----==_mimepart_5f89580ee56bb_5b19b485851-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 04:04:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2FC3A0E95 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:04:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYTcH7jm0VhE for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7EB73A0E94 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-96d5664.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.119.38]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CAB3156002A for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:04:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602846257; bh=BK8O/cod6CvAj7VHooSmX35zVoGD1VtAhd75B2/sT98=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IrPDfNX9bUOXoG7eCT/JksdUryKwkDQTAj467Zjw2RCjGvdJzH+fJ6VW5ys4+57oA SgTUFp3VBWfVFF6ZzQcRGgDdF0/yzjnVyqTmHtQXISS/KJep1n6LdjSvT+Ur3uqgeT ERFG6geSDzjDKIHxCk50Qps3KtwvmtYhLylhncPw= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:04:17 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Error codes (#4219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f897e31c72b8_5119b4176490"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:04:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f897e31c72b8_5119b4176490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since the unknown stream has to be ignored, I tend to think of the grease error codes as no-known-error. As a general principle, endpoints shouldn't rely on error codes to determine too much. The error code sender is a liberty to be as specific or non-specific as it chooses. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4219#issuecomment-709979244 ----==_mimepart_5f897e31c72b8_5119b4176490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since the unknown stream has to be ignored, I tend to think of the grease error codes as no-known-error.

As a general principle, endpoints shouldn't rely on error codes to determine too much. The error code sender is a liberty to be as specific or non-specific as it chooses.

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----==_mimepart_5f897e31c72b8_5119b4176490-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 04:15:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF373A0EA9 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:15:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U6iI-EZ-eqih for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 051E93A0EA7 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f28db1d.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.122.24]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 30B715E090C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:15:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602846908; bh=GR4y9+ddaWk9f/ZoqlVQmvRX20fTsSRh1sLBbFisq48=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eo/8z+6lG9lGutFTTKa3pYfwsYqZzJlHt6yDMB42zvUtK7lpqk8C+Kmbj5DeBzqc9 V4Wx89hyjnsXZUejC5wjc/Z3OQ9a3rBYTU4VVTb6ksgtp6Mfnfo8I7qWpgJQZ3ET3Y 4u3hpa7mFLJbpCPg4EeDoJnPApTXXoNnQgqEVllk= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 04:15:08 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Server SHOULD send CANCEL_PUSH (#4227) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8980bc2da35_40b19b418657d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:15:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8980bc2da35_40b19b418657d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To the second question, stating clearly that the server can abort the Push stream with H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED seems like a good improvement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4227#issuecomment-709983818 ----==_mimepart_5f8980bc2da35_40b19b418657d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To the second question, stating clearly that the server can abort the Push stream with H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED seems like a good improvement.

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Section 7.2.8: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-reserved-frame-types

These frames have no semantics, and can be sent on any open stream when application-layer padding is desired.

So I am uncertain if it is acceptable to shoehorn in a reserved frame after a frame that is supposed to be the last and then result in a close of the frame? Based on what is written I would lean to the interpretation that it is allowed, as the frame sender has decided to not close the stream yet, and thus it is open.

If this is correct interpretation than it is up to the editor if they like to clarify more. Else something needs to be done.

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The best example here is sending a reserved frame after a Request stream is opened by the client. Perhaps it is useful to call that out in section 4.1.

can be sent on any open stream is a bit loose. You can't send frames on qpack streams for instance, or as the first bytes on a push stream. Maybe we can rephrase it as, "Can be sent on any stream where frames are permitted to be sent"

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 16 07:30:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D0003A0F90 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:30:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCwatbl5rZew for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C2013A0A42 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-24d240c.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.60]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 46AFE900D5C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:30:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602858630; bh=CLAIJ6MuHd9iMhN1u9pXpEuBNjyHCoCTSwze85UQsXE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zaOnw2d9W6LoxjZ3WxhcAgJsWXGd3Q91MS+uwJWYDS6uLsvvznBU9/B9NXa+PL+1C 1qh6XSQvsws7oWGyHcg2UidgmXhjAE/WqfH8QIZD4MS2vhVXCSe5wyqlcJkbkTUarZ JPOouZLxAk0SQaFLMX60pYolYcMQxLj51AfEqyMs= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:30:30 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Change controller (#4229) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89ae864283c_4f19b45238eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:30:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89ae864283c_4f19b45238eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 11.2: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-new-registries "The initial allocations in these registries created in this document are all assigned permanent status and list as contact both the IESG (iesg@ietf.org) and the HTTP working group (ietf-http-wg@w3.org)." >From my perspective it is better to have IETF as change controller. In practice that would mean that any chartered WG to work on this registry would by completing the IETF process be allowed to introduce changes to the registry. Having HTTP Working Group as contact is fine. So I would propose to change this to: "The initial allocations in these registries created in this document are all assigned permanent status and list as change controller the IETF and the HTTP working group (ietf-http-wg@w3.org) as contact." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4229 ----==_mimepart_5f89ae864283c_4f19b45238eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 11.2: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-new-registries

"The initial allocations in these registries created in this document are all assigned permanent status and list as contact both the IESG (iesg@ietf.org) and the HTTP working group (ietf-http-wg@w3.org)."

From my perspective it is better to have IETF as change controller. In practice that would mean that any chartered WG to work on this registry would by completing the IETF process be allowed to introduce changes to the registry. Having HTTP Working Group as contact is fine. So I would propose to change this to:

"The initial allocations in these registries created in this document are all assigned permanent status and list as change controller the IETF and the HTTP working group (ietf-http-wg@w3.org) as contact."

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----==_mimepart_5f89ae864283c_4f19b45238eb-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 07:39:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0168F3A0A42 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gq0vQ91ELMhG for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF9F83A09F0 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-00e839b.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.120.89]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 145EC5C0093 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602859194; bh=LpFK2/nV0IWpC85RGpSSlsdghsTphebUu4Zjml/SG/I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1NMa24EHaIyCTtsO+cpZUFMwupRK74+vGDXGoCoLpsIv7VMS7H8bkVnQMtjpuc9Hf +asVU02jqcQjIt7J4tZwHtIcRJy0YhvbDJozt8Pos0sG6YhIJsWe80mK96hG1LLG86 y9mcGYVbQAxjoGxyT7Z409wJDqRZyLBigsXBuMNE= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 07:39:54 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport-31: IANA Policy and change controller (#4230) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89b0ba113ba_19ef19b42437bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:39:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89b0ba113ba_19ef19b42437bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Section 22.1.1: It is quite common that one may want to separate who has the change control over an registration entry vs who is the contact. Change control can often be assigned to an organization rather than an individual while a contact information may be an individual or a specific contact address for the organization. Contact information has a tendency to get stale, and in many case the contact if a person may no longer represent the organization that made the registration. Thus, my suggestion would be to add a separation between contact and change controller. In fact just for the registration in the Transport doc it makes sense to make the change controller "IETF" and have the contact be "QUIC WG". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4230 ----==_mimepart_5f89b0ba113ba_19ef19b42437bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 22.1.1:

It is quite common that one may want to separate who has the change control over an registration entry vs who is the contact. Change control can often be assigned to an organization rather than an individual while a contact information may be an individual or a specific contact address for the organization. Contact information has a tendency to get stale, and in many case the contact if a person may no longer represent the organization that made the registration.

Thus, my suggestion would be to add a separation between contact and change controller. In fact just for the registration in the Transport doc it makes sense to make the change controller "IETF" and have the contact be "QUIC WG".

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This also applies to permanent registrations in Section 22.1.4

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Section 11.2.3: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-quic-http-31.html#name-error-codes

A question as this registry has defined error codes starting at 0x0100 which is outside of the Standards Action / IESG approval range, there are no concerns that it will be specification required to add new code points directly adjecent to these being registered?

Secondly, based on what being done in other registries should the HTTP/2 error codes be reserved in this registry?

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----==_mimepart_5f89b41450ea3_1a6119b44277d-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 08:01:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EB63A0F93 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VrATV5PvTdF4 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 922CB3A0E0F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-33977dc.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 67530840F14 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:01:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602860492; bh=H7JkkeK9TPR3jmXlF1Nq8OBH7euFVvz695smJfbhxK0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jASCEdG+Rq7j6yTz6SCh07Na9CuN2bWlwl3b/hxtjgeL+Ryp1cWBgBamtmgKoND9o rAj+R0XcAxPEI/dtFEH4tJU3VjxMrH1s+dRA5BWKGiMlPHOjilqGxVJPrtPc6cNdPC GEj2Z2mzRnioWindZ1CIw0hTif8NwKDMWKUMq97s= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:01:32 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Error codes and Standard Action / IESG approval range (#4231) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89b5cc6390c_28a619b42019b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:01:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89b5cc6390c_28a619b42019b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. I think this arises from the error code reshuffling. I'm not so worried about adjacency so long as new error HTTP/3 codes don't conflict with HTTP/2 error codes (which was the point of shifting the range). So resevering the HTTP/2 codes seems sensible to me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-710100000 ----==_mimepart_5f89b5cc6390c_28a619b42019b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks. I think this arises from the error code reshuffling.

I'm not so worried about adjacency so long as new error HTTP/3 codes don't conflict with HTTP/2 error codes (which was the point of shifting the range). So resevering the HTTP/2 codes seems sensible to me.

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These are some minor editorial things that should be considered to be addressed:

  1. Section 4.1: "A server MAY send one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (Section 7.2.5) before, after, or interleaved with the frames of a response message. These PUSH_PROMISE frames are not part of the response; see Section 4.4 for more details. These frames are not permitted in pushed responses; a pushed response that includes PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST be treated as a connection error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED." Especially the third sentence was hard to parse. Took me a while to realize that it tries to express that PUSH_PROMISE frames are not allowed in pushed responses. I think it is primarily a language thing. However, isn't this dependent on stream type. So PUSH_PROMISE are allowed on the client-initiated bi-directional stream but not on the server-initiated unidirectional stream.
  2. Section 4.1.1: "For a listing of registered HTTP fields, see the "Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Field Name Registry" maintained at https://www.iana.org/assignments/http-fields/." To avoid more confusion like the one I had in IETF last call. Can you add an Editors note (to be removed before RFC publication) that this registry does not yet exist, and is dependent on approval of [SEMANTICS]?
  3. Section 7.2.4.1: "SETTINGS_MAX_FIELD_SECTION_SIZE (0x6): The default value is unlimited. See Section 4.1.1 for usage." As the actual discussion of usage of this setting is in Section 4.1.1.3 wouldn't that be better to reference?

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(#4212) * What's an HTTP/3 connection? * Say 'HTTP/3' a whole lot more * Apply suggestions from code review Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar From nobody Fri Oct 16 08:35:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6572C3A0F99 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H9K1BvH-4UNQ for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 422283A0F95 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-01c8421.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.18.83]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 868E65C0EB1 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:35:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602862527; bh=9Xjc358K0YVLZE309dSUdrFRMkHqzdY5WUBcfVAecok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BP24GoR/gTg3OnFJ3d4luYrxBsX4LmTZzs26cJKVreaWeXmzM2/fNapCneKqckfzd FZcxcipACVNvoWsYXNKBKfA/hSn2eKmwTLW8F0WtfHBp2pXxflE5G04CDSW7xwx55j 8MpF+NItpUiZHxbeesqnSHnGFN1WZ1kxzSJjr+9c= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:35:27 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: HTTP/3 Connection definition? 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Fixes #4221.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 16 08:51:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF973A0FB3 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:51:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1G0qx2IBiSt for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 999D33A0FB5 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3089205.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.36]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B96EA5C002C for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:51:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602863478; bh=Oazwg9GbbrgGu8rCONANaKkqFVOjTPJqpB1VGrTpp/0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TwoG3GnhOtQtlKMZyFTrcfEWa31FIfnE0tBnhZscYfjWfWWNtr/+1xdH0g1Htas44 DTxnRqYG9JC6VvHam8RR4+cBcSSMhMiYEMJXl88R1ze6Ya0laipY8pmATMC3mRM9xQ 4mt7+AehRo/PvTPtXiEYOSvtQJzHgdDPIUjA9dwA= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:51:18 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Error codes (#4219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89c176b663d_4a8719b411605e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:51:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89c176b663d_4a8719b411605e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +1. An extension that relied on knowing whether the receiver processed it needs to define a mechanism for the peer to acknowledge whatever state change is there. We've taken a fairly steady stance that the application layer can't rely on transport acknowledgement as proof of application-layer processing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4219#issuecomment-710128110 ----==_mimepart_5f89c176b663d_4a8719b411605e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

+1. An extension that relied on knowing whether the receiver processed it needs to define a mechanism for the peer to acknowledge whatever state change is there. We've taken a fairly steady stance that the application layer can't rely on transport acknowledgement as proof of application-layer processing.

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Looking at the larger paragraph, the point is that there are two possible states when a server decides not to fulfill a push:

a. No stream has been created; CANCEL_PUSH is sufficient.
b. A stream has been created.

  1. The server could simply reset the stream; this is valid, but risks the client processing the RESET before learning the Push ID, so it won't know which Push ID is no longer being fulfilled.
  2. Better if the server both resets the stream and sends a CANCEL_PUSH.

You're right that this could be reworded to emphasize that you always send CANCEL_PUSH if you're not fulfilling a promise, and also close the stream if you've opened one.

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----==_mimepart_5f89d9422d4_353f19b48614c5-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 10:53:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E6F3A00C4 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.207 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O-8BejHe7h9d for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9908D3A0061 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-b530b80.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.109.41]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D00B452147F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:53:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602870783; bh=B6p0R3FLmyLILbpzn0zDJ88WHn7SwcMGujq3v1AN1Ng=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WUN30fpVN1RNukxvsAJdC0mFSSHVvmjwTvcx4ETX+YGSrhBBCHSdMyv8nEeD4wdxv FRjX2ae8AItcXTDbr5VoqsnfJ6ONAMiGG6RpMoBHInh5cmqlt4VBAtgMFyhHVWK9qI epVFmXv52XFE3zscOJbRujTgzWZ3F9Daz9/Xn6O8= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:53:03 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection Migration Failure when Path MTU is asymmetric (#4216) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89ddffcbd26_4819b49199c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:53:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89ddffcbd26_4819b49199c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think @kazuho suggestion is sensible and simple enough. I will note that that second MUST is unenforceable given the third point, but I think that's ok. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-710311167 ----==_mimepart_5f89ddffcbd26_4819b49199c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think @kazuho suggestion is sensible and simple enough. I will note that that second MUST is unenforceable given the third point, but I think that's ok.

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----==_mimepart_5f89ddffcbd26_4819b49199c-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 11:21:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5268C3A0128 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iR6hFRhFXH1N for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06ECA3A011B for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ed15254.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.76]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DCC7D340D22 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602872494; bh=Oy3NhtJthNmBW3JAw5Ge7A8gLrGIf1fNsknjvyczrTs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IboB0vv+9e1ytPPTebmlW0Nyy3K+DbuuxsLfTeF3j7n2hEV51lSPILhe6mEQjvdp1 nsASrTeVUL5a9WnGPYMXFFVoVdGUWCtRwNqfyAQFDxCXs+peGJtBxseJ3/JbapEAkC 9NS9Mkp5I3ampZwnw8TiZMEpSWTmmIFZu0rKWKZI= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:21:34 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89e4aed9b21_5019b42324ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:21:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89e4aed9b21_5019b42324ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That note about the idle timer is important in practice, since it means implementations that use either should always race TCP and QUIC and/or set an application level timeout. However, when sending 0-RTT requests, it's preferable to avoid replaying them if at all possible, so its preferable not to race QUIC and TCP until one is fairly sure the QUIC connection will fail. Tickling the idle timer would mean the application level timeout is more likely to be hit, and those are usually fairly conservative. FWIW, our implementation pads Initial ACKs and I don't intend to change that(nor does the PR require any change). To me, there would be a nice simplicity changing the text to "You MUST pad all Initial packets except those containing CONNECTION_CLOSE.", but one could also document this potential issue with unpadded ACKs tickling the idle timer and let implementations choose what they want to do. I do think it's worth doing one of these two actions, though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-710369210 ----==_mimepart_5f89e4aed9b21_5019b42324ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That note about the idle timer is important in practice, since it means implementations that use either should always race TCP and QUIC and/or set an application level timeout.

However, when sending 0-RTT requests, it's preferable to avoid replaying them if at all possible, so its preferable not to race QUIC and TCP until one is fairly sure the QUIC connection will fail. Tickling the idle timer would mean the application level timeout is more likely to be hit, and those are usually fairly conservative.

FWIW, our implementation pads Initial ACKs and I don't intend to change that(nor does the PR require any change).

To me, there would be a nice simplicity changing the text to "You MUST pad all Initial packets except those containing CONNECTION_CLOSE.", but one could also document this potential issue with unpadded ACKs tickling the idle timer and let implementations choose what they want to do. I do think it's worth doing one of these two actions, though.

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Thanks @martinthomson I took your suggestions with one tweak.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1916,19 +1916,28 @@ in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
 different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
 arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether padding
 is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might control
-padding.  Redundant padding could even be counterproductive.
+padding.
+
+Reserved stream types can be used to give the appearance of sending traffic even
+when the connection is idle.  Because HTTP traffic often occurs in bursts,
+apparent traffic can be used to obscure the timing or duration of such bursts,
+even to the point of appearing to send a constant stream of data.  However, as
+such traffic is still flow controlled by the receiver, a failure to promptly
+drain such streams and provide additional flow control credit can limit the
+sender's ability to send real traffic.
 
 To mitigate attacks that rely on compression, disabling or limiting compression
 might be preferable to padding as a countermeasure.
 
 Use of padding can result in less protection than might seem immediately

This section starts talking about using H2 PADDING to make a connection more resistant to traffic analysis and ends discussing how padding doesn't really help that much. Is there a use of PADDING that is recommended?

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So we've merged #4188. Is the remaining issue whether or not to require padding of ACKs?

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Fixes #4227.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 16 12:21:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145C73A0966 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bndK8pHAYaRE for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFAF43A0957 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-aa3a744.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.49]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BE912560EA7 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:21:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602876114; bh=8BJef7+L9vKv5krPYv1YyNoTb+MHcG81DeH9xca9iRs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z0WrE33onyatH1l0XqllzaeHzn9+in6/on2L+LoKY8+K+x3oiwDxKDxSMOekYpaeb t4YM3TZZMYc+BKIXOn44ULiJmITM745DDNw/K2q98PW7rJhRj6WArXe9YgO+CGGgXI kW6KZouoJiOWeHmR0mkQqVfHPOua1r1YhRPMXlxQ= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:21:54 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Sending Reserved Frames prior to stream close (#4228) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89f2d2bac3d_5319b4244421"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:21:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89f2d2bac3d_5319b4244421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are no frames that close the stream, because stream closure is handled by the transport. SETTINGS is special in that it is required to be first, and is covered by [this text](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#section-9-4): > Implementations MUST ignore unknown or unsupported values in all extensible protocol elements. Implementations MUST discard frames and unidirectional streams that have unknown or unsupported types. This means that any of these extension points can be safely used by extensions without prior arrangement or negotiation. **However, where a known frame type is required to be in a specific location, such as the SETTINGS frame as the first frame of the control stream (see Section 6.2.1), an unknown frame type does not satisfy that requirement and SHOULD be treated as an error.** It would hypothetically apply to a future frame type which is required to come at the end of the stream as well, but we have no such frames at this time. ([This text](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#section-4.1-7) does impose specific ordering on DATA and HEADERS frames relative to each other, but says nothing about other frame types.) @LPardue's point is well-taken, and I'll take that text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4228#issuecomment-710466346 ----==_mimepart_5f89f2d2bac3d_5319b4244421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are no frames that close the stream, because stream closure is handled by the transport. SETTINGS is special in that it is required to be first, and is covered by this text:

Implementations MUST ignore unknown or unsupported values in all extensible protocol elements. Implementations MUST discard frames and unidirectional streams that have unknown or unsupported types. This means that any of these extension points can be safely used by extensions without prior arrangement or negotiation. However, where a known frame type is required to be in a specific location, such as the SETTINGS frame as the first frame of the control stream (see Section 6.2.1), an unknown frame type does not satisfy that requirement and SHOULD be treated as an error.

It would hypothetically apply to a future frame type which is required to come at the end of the stream as well, but we have no such frames at this time. (This text does impose specific ordering on DATA and HEADERS frames relative to each other, but says nothing about other frame types.)

@LPardue's point is well-taken, and I'll take that text.

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Fixes #4228.

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Fixes #4229.

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However, the original intent was that the error codes assigned by the document be within the Standards Action space. Perhaps it would be cleaner to say: - 0x00 to 0x3f: Reserved - 0x40 to 0x7ff: Standards Action - 0x800+: Specification Required -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-710487912 ----==_mimepart_5f89f5e522094_2e119b4287a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, we should reserve the HTTP/2 error codes. However, the original intent was that the error codes assigned by the document be within the Standards Action space. Perhaps it would be cleaner to say:

  • 0x00 to 0x3f: Reserved
  • 0x40 to 0x7ff: Standards Action
  • 0x800+: Specification Required

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----==_mimepart_5f89f6381fc94_24019b49207d-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 12:38:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66FD3A09AD for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:38:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.208 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.208 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U5FAZSBBZdf5 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB7433A09A8 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d72f507.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.30]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CD5445E0070 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:38:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602877087; bh=QkID6fmkyo7rz9QMftJcsRa1csGDT7A+0kxTyEDlobA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Fb4jh5vIkEhnEON5Vlm/VPT8PpLszGbTCIX8Z9Kz6LH963TcKM49GmtLQQ2kCnbS0 C2oo6luvATQsnv5vYLchHH0PKQCOk1/kfXCrAXWw5WRVv0QihqXHMlpcyY3UVXJdsq eQmEVle+NcyaHR1R13DGK2amPAnjOcnNjMsct24c= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:38:07 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Minor Editorial Issues (#4232) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89f69fc970a_4a19b4813f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:38:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89f69fc970a_4a19b4813f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. I'll take a look at cleaning it up, but I'm hesitant to simply say "can't be used on unidirectional streams" because an extension might create a unidirectional stream that does allow PUSH_PROMISE frames for whatever reason. Maybe specifically stating that they can't be sent on Push Streams would work? 2. Good suggestion. 3. Good suggestion; probably we moved this text to subsections after the reference was written. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4232#issuecomment-710493027 ----==_mimepart_5f89f69fc970a_4a19b4813f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

  1. I'll take a look at cleaning it up, but I'm hesitant to simply say "can't be used on unidirectional streams" because an extension might create a unidirectional stream that does allow PUSH_PROMISE frames for whatever reason. Maybe specifically stating that they can't be sent on Push Streams would work?
  2. Good suggestion.
  3. Good suggestion; probably we moved this text to subsections after the reference was written.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Oct 16 12:47:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE0C3A0A6F for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:47:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3owY14FNLYia for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D4873A0924 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d11d461.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.101.22]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6E215E1E55 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602877634; bh=dmSuD1LR4SmBb0QcETH26Gib9Z3LVdeApb5cCqd4tC0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LVEzk8vV8pUtKHRe1m1SG67w7MT0Z7k9286hYPKKULWLQwA8geiHaVDvYnwUGSYW0 302lI9qk7sLnUVQm8KocpR4jvkCkxxSH+muj5dWCduIA9htgVMibzuqN1IiEgGIQ8o CKxA10fK2WCD1nX3yUCR7+sBWWM4IigF4u80Yhg0= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:47:14 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Talk about padding-by-reserved-streams a little more (#4233) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f89f8c26abe0_5119b4135529"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:47:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f89f8c26abe0_5119b4135529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -1916,19 +1916,28 @@ in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}. These methods of padding produce different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether padding is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might control -padding. Redundant padding could even be counterproductive. +padding. + +Reserved stream types can be used to give the appearance of sending traffic even +when the connection is idle. Because HTTP traffic often occurs in bursts, +apparent traffic can be used to obscure the timing or duration of such bursts, +even to the point of appearing to send a constant stream of data. However, as +such traffic is still flow controlled by the receiver, a failure to promptly +drain such streams and provide additional flow control credit can limit the +sender's ability to send real traffic. To mitigate attacks that rely on compression, disabling or limiting compression might be preferable to padding as a countermeasure. Use of padding can result in less protection than might seem immediately I would frame it that padding is a tool that can be used to mitigate certain attacks, but it's not a perfect tool. It's useful for its job, but you need to understand its drawbacks when designing a padding scheme. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4233#discussion_r506688249 ----==_mimepart_5f89f8c26abe0_5119b4135529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1916,19 +1916,28 @@ in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
 different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
 arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether padding
 is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might control
-padding.  Redundant padding could even be counterproductive.
+padding.
+
+Reserved stream types can be used to give the appearance of sending traffic even
+when the connection is idle.  Because HTTP traffic often occurs in bursts,
+apparent traffic can be used to obscure the timing or duration of such bursts,
+even to the point of appearing to send a constant stream of data.  However, as
+such traffic is still flow controlled by the receiver, a failure to promptly
+drain such streams and provide additional flow control credit can limit the
+sender's ability to send real traffic.
 
 To mitigate attacks that rely on compression, disabling or limiting compression
 might be preferable to padding as a countermeasure.
 
 Use of padding can result in less protection than might seem immediately

I would frame it that padding is a tool that can be used to mitigate certain attacks, but it's not a perfect tool. It's useful for its job, but you need to understand its drawbacks when designing a padding scheme.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1916,19 +1916,28 @@ in {{frame-reserved}} and {{stream-grease}}.  These methods of padding produce
 different results in terms of the granularity of padding, how padding is
 arranged in relation to the information that is being protected, whether padding
 is applied in the case of packet loss, and how an implementation might control
-padding.  Redundant padding could even be counterproductive.
+padding.
+
+Reserved stream types can be used to give the appearance of sending traffic even
+when the connection is idle.  Because HTTP traffic often occurs in bursts,
+apparent traffic can be used to obscure the timing or duration of such bursts,
+even to the point of appearing to send a constant stream of data.  However, as
+such traffic is still flow controlled by the receiver, a failure to promptly
+drain such streams and provide additional flow control credit can limit the
+sender's ability to send real traffic.
 
 To mitigate attacks that rely on compression, disabling or limiting compression
 might be preferable to padding as a countermeasure.
 
 Use of padding can result in less protection than might seem immediately

Makes sense, thanks.

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  1. My personal view has been that PUSH_PROMISE is part of a request message. And so it has to abide by the rules there. Any attempt to change that requires a semantic extension to H3. Which is what https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pardue-quic-http-unbound-server-push-01 precisely does in order to allow PUSH_PROMISE on a new stream type.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -475,9 +475,9 @@ is considered invalid.
 A server MAY send one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames ({{frame-push-promise}})
 before, after, or interleaved with the frames of a response message. These
 PUSH_PROMISE frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} for more
-details.  These frames are not permitted in pushed responses; a pushed response
-that includes PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
+details.  Additional promises are not permitted on push streams; a pushed

Additional makes it sound like 1 is ok?

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That note about the idle timer is important in practice, since it means implementations that use either should always race TCP and QUIC and/or set an application level timeout.

However, when sending 0-RTT requests, it's preferable to avoid replaying them if at all possible, so its preferable not to race QUIC and TCP until one is fairly sure the QUIC connection will fail. Tickling the idle timer would mean the application level timeout is more likely to be hit, and those are usually fairly conservative.

I'm not sure if I agree with that rationale.

By padding just Initial ACKs without padding Handshake ACKs, there's still chance that the client would receive packets.

As @janaiyengar noted here, if we want to prevent clients from seeing anything from the server when a sub-1200-byte path is being used, the requirement has to be to pad all long header packets.

But our consensus is not do that, and let some packets pass through (e.g., Handshake packets).

That means that a client, that wishes to run a handshake timer, has to be prepared for doing some packet processing then determine if it should extend the handshake timeout. With the current state of #4188 being merged, that determination can be made by seeing if you have received any CRYPTO data from the server.

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The idle timer is only extended if one can process a packet, and Handshake packets can't be processed without receiving all the Initial CRYPTO data, so I don't believe there's an issue. Additionally, the client won't receive Handshake ACKs if it hasn't sent Handshake packets, so that should not be an issue.

From section 10.1 of transport-31:

An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is
received and processed successfully.

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----==_mimepart_5f8a1819733f1_4d19b41656a1-- From nobody Fri Oct 16 16:46:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E185B3A08FF for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.754 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.754 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yUL_HWTYYAXe for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 631D03A0840 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c27faef.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A32CD5E0095 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:46:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602891968; bh=KYgztwzMHmI+PajqmkF6O9iN1T17uaPUaiYMDUdRblE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TKbg/1wpN9qYCr/BVlqDDBVYWML0/4mwNoq8VGtCBiL3KE9IM2nd4mNDB+YVmRbrh D2wtGlTeZ6mButfL+ufAF53cDHY8TiheoIq+n0mpWY9Eji7d7Wubv9uSsRUNYvwTLZ EdwWSurje1BEf6dWqOqXo827YhS0XovVM8n0zlDY= Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:46:08 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad when validating addresses (#4226) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8a30c09f5f2_171c19b41187fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 23:46:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8a30c09f5f2_171c19b41187fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett approved this pull request. I'm not sure this completely solves the issue, but it looks sensible. > @@ -2205,6 +2205,18 @@ connection. The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. +An endpoint MUST expand the payload of datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE nit: I don't think this is true for a previously validated path being re-validated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4226#pullrequestreview-509935759 ----==_mimepart_5f8a30c09f5f2_171c19b41187fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett approved this pull request.

I'm not sure this completely solves the issue, but it looks sensible.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2205,6 +2205,18 @@ connection.
 The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+An endpoint MUST expand the payload of datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE

nit: I don't think this is true for a previously validated path being re-validated.

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@ianswett Thank you for elaborating. The timeout design that you explained is different from what I had in mind, but I agree that it's sensible.

Though, taking a step back, I am actually wondering if the use-case you described still exists (or has to exist).

In the early days of QUIC, before TLS 1.3 was being standardized, it did make sense to not happy-eyeball HTTP requests, because you do not want to let servers process both of the requests that have been happy-eyeballed.

But with the standardization of TLS 1.3 and 425 status code (RFC 8470), the situation has changed. A server is now required to ask clients replay non-idempotent requests.

I think we can, and should, rely on 425, considering that HTTP/3 is something new. Server administrators that enable HTTP/3 can make sure (and should make sure) that they would not receive replays of non-idempotent request, rather than relying on the browser making probablistical guesses.

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Closes #4230. From nobody Sat Oct 17 01:46:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1262D3A08FF for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q2Y8XOhieiEc for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBB993A08EB for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-df986b3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B5EB85E0772 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1602924397; bh=zvMqiNC7twm+cXDWVi1UFFiJOarAknDJg5HT9dGTlyk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wituw1vKclWuyCgIZLZ4aFywnQiMFpq68kZIW2VdsKz9OIdQ7mOJkDe28dCGN32zA g1sFBPi0xU+h7/MPnwRBJ95xQYKjNvHZWO319b2ri+uj6pKUlinMhF6DUQ+u1MQaPe pS6dm6ki9VzH9CtGX1CCAJWgcCKjRC076HB5EIJw= Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 01:46:37 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] IANA: split change controller and contact (#4239) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8aaf6db2080_3ce319b41654fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:46:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8aaf6db2080_3ce319b41654fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At @gloinul's suggestion this adds a "change controller" field to registries and splits between a change controller (IETF) and contact (QUIC WG). Not really sure if this is worth a design label... Closes #4230. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4239 -- Commit Summary -- * IANA: split change controller and contact -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4239.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4239.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4239 ----==_mimepart_5f8aaf6db2080_3ce319b41654fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At @gloinul's suggestion this adds a "change controller" field to
registries and splits between a change controller (IETF) and contact
(QUIC WG).

Not really sure if this is worth a design label...

Closes #4230.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4239

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----==_mimepart_5f8c836198589_5319b45715c-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 11:12:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B4A3A011B for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qhM-5MBi8mCk for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A9E73A00E3 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3c28d8a.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.63]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2DBAE5E06C0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:12:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603044738; bh=IgcIXBm/6CZE+Z8f3zP/obKLF45Yar6MUWlPA/fYMKM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RtrB90btLGm5ajHE1QH83x9swwRhVLX/KIJP2vLuYkIdMsrE5p1gsCqFyuhbivAZN 5g9iDioSq6OKjdWF8iGHOp+yw4dkXc7pqFCwOCXbNc5YZQ5JjkRgpm1DA1fqAbvQXR QgMek1aev7aIIv+TUhTTTaTOSsJJo7RDlsHZS2o4= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:12:18 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8c858229ac1_5bf819b416761d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 18:12:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8c858229ac1_5bf819b416761d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on people I've talked to, 425 may not be widely implemented. Additionally, there are scenarios where identifying replay is quite difficult. But even so, the risk is not overly high in most cases. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-711348732 ----==_mimepart_5f8c858229ac1_5bf819b416761d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Based on people I've talked to, 425 may not be widely implemented. Additionally, there are scenarios where identifying replay is quite difficult. But even so, the risk is not overly high in most cases.

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On the mailing list @martinduke raised a question about pseudo-headers. That discussion seemed to identify that HTTP/3 oversteps the mark by saying that psuedo-headers are extensible. We can make an editorial change to bring this back to something equivalent to what RFC 7540 says. See #4238.

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----==_mimepart_5f8c961c33c80_249119b4122788-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 15:55:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01AB3A1016 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MUHR0waiq5f9 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 856C43A1014 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4c2557c.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.24.90]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B74E95208F0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603061700; bh=ONbQzJoD4oVtrBJXQG/a8mdy5n1LWFRi+8oMrrHIW+A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Uu38KyUSoJJa8BHTfLsBD4T62F2jBwgdIGyxRDU5LMbnkVcp668aku36SqxphdNDX ZEB7lyjJFh1ax9ijj0TrJr7QYgfHqI7Ni8A9lF3zJWsee8XQe0+YGoXk+ALSr4Mf7v 2QjXdBa8n5k5Uwjug5q/aIImsPQMV8WROACopYdg= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:55:00 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] pseudo-headers ain't extensible (#4238) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8cc7c4b3203_8df19b440185"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 22:55:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8cc7c4b3203_8df19b440185 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So this is a curious one. @mnot said something very specific, which matched the original text. That was "The extensibility point that 8441 uses is SETTINGS, which negotiates a change in the operation of the protocol on a connection-by-connection basis." What this does is effectively prohibit this. We're in the process of discussing what to do about this for HTTP/2 and the flat prohibition there is something people have trouble with. What Mike wrote here is a response to that. I don't think we need this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4238#issuecomment-711436250 ----==_mimepart_5f8cc7c4b3203_8df19b440185 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So this is a curious one. @mnot said something very specific, which matched the original text. That was "The extensibility point that 8441 uses is SETTINGS, which negotiates a change in the operation of the protocol on a connection-by-connection basis." What this does is effectively prohibit this.

We're in the process of discussing what to do about this for HTTP/2 and the flat prohibition there is something people have trouble with. What Mike wrote here is a response to that. I don't think we need this.

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Rejecting this PR is a fine editor action if that's the right thing to do.

Having H2 and H3 inconsistent with each other seems like a bad outcome.

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@MikeBishop see #4239.

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OK, I completely missed some developments here. Why are we using the 2 byte space for error codes? We can't we start at 0, match the HTTP/2 values, and reserve those that don't map properly?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2205,6 +2205,18 @@ connection.
 The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+An endpoint MUST expand the payload of datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE

Yeah, that's true, but is it really necessary to add that detail?

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This happened in the big error code shuffle of #2662. Folks seemed to want to avoid overlap with H2 in case of errors that might happen for a converting proxy.

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----==_mimepart_5f8cd74281be8_302f19b4417315-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 17:02:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB543A10BD for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l4RWViAe0QUO for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8670C3A10BC for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-e60fd88.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.24.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 63B7152003E for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603065758; bh=V1BSyNkIvmE8+v6MgounI/6p3H/ux4CGagUY8epHe6g=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=jOVvGLh7FYTKjI4VuJAOjcIM+5Gn55qAP10U9l2y9D3oN6jjNoqLQI/hMrUq+MHB+ ihpXhEkg/95rQV630EXaTDJv/8iMLbAtg3E1EY4CNlDuGUiHcqxXNy/7fQCRXAMmwk woKKgGWfgK3S/jXmZWlVdlfF6CpjwBRutprMcxIc= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:02:38 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b3ce9e: Pad PATH_RESPONSE too Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:02:41 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/pad-path-validation Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b3ce9e647ba7e0344f852662c200c161a5030537 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b3ce9e647ba7e0344f852662c200c161a5030537 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Pad PATH_RESPONSE too From nobody Sun Oct 18 17:04:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5503A10BE for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bnO6-WwTh0Cn for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 930BB3A10BC for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-8b72bdc.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.71]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8273E600D5C for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:04:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603065851; bh=cXAIMrpTVOEons6+/QlHfQvgg8ZR2oPMRc+SLjz4A8s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=pbZ5ALqf6sWocVLj1JmYVoeM9AdKK0B7dfpc1ubvfOLqW9dE5hdlpTOL8LdGbbZ11 pdLUfP69vTxHENgoxf7OTALZkMu72gsZtTN6eiivphgCMju0ndQCz8PYjLXfRRrwBK 7q0V7cDwnsMGvPkycrmRIqWfI18MH/JikCaUQZfk= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:04:11 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 59964e: Script updating gh-pages from b3ce9e64. 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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Oct 18 17:06:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5461C3A10C1 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lseOlmof4231 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 353FB3A10BF for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-878d2c7.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.40]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7A37556009A for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:05:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603065957; bh=XAumcF+eJc/BzqLu4zXPq/TFztfQ7h4FJ5HIx6PY3HI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=npGHhLg4y95DTJG1Mw3zakYxkKZ58YfDLa3uQUMcw0jByorMh6WSs1mJb+S4ifROb A/wtVy9A0LLHKM4oG+r5ERiWSuwFcTsaKYp1qroFCDl1GlfnV3IB3+uds3WIsLEXON ydqC+vMwCcjz3PH+quwFO/hzDbhAOYPrkKWSu7DI= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:05:57 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Error codes and Standard Action / IESG approval range (#4231) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8cd86576afc_5919b411241f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:05:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8cd86576afc_5919b411241f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see the request there was to avoid overlap. That was prior to moving to using varints. I think that having these in the 0x00-0x3f space would be worth doing, if only so that the registration policies are consistent. The shift by 0x100 was excessive. 0x20 would have been plenty. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-711444640 ----==_mimepart_5f8cd86576afc_5919b411241f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I see the request there was to avoid overlap.

That was prior to moving to using varints. I think that having these in the 0x00-0x3f space would be worth doing, if only so that the registration policies are consistent. The shift by 0x100 was excessive. 0x20 would have been plenty.

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----==_mimepart_5f8cd86576afc_5919b411241f-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 17:08:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0A23A10A3 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jm45FrAAy8aX for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 368483A044E for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-818a524.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BFB4C840748 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:08:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603066101; bh=8kfTGZultertJUMRxj9TNt/Zk972co8gz5juaxp01Og=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VCP9KJwX4rIc0t1upah4pu7RJxlM9QwjoEGfhDrgtjLPPzAwuLh6IPfkXxHcPbjNx oDruLGwZYUyC/GceihSKfL+fJct5pPmIyE9XZvys9HeaKEnWue14g9pTZ81LwvloJP GQ9JxVorB6+GDmOH4UjiObEgUz8c9SUXL6WruzN4= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:08:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad path validation in both directions (#4241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8cd8f5bc379_4d19b411541e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:08:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8cd8f5bc379_4d19b411541e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This enacts the proposal in [@kazuho's comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4216#issuecomment-709664513) on #4216. Padding PATH_RESPONSE and sending on the same path as PATH_CHALLENGE helps ensure that the path MTU in both directions of the path is sufficient for the protocol to function. This is a nasty change; I'm personally quite unhappy about the prospect of implementing it, but it seems like the best option we have. Closes #4216. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241 -- Commit Summary -- * Pad when validating addresses * A big caveat * Datagrams, not packets * Revert automated formatting of tables, wrap * Pad PATH_RESPONSE too -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (27) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241 ----==_mimepart_5f8cd8f5bc379_4d19b411541e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This enacts the proposal in @kazuho's comment on #4216. Padding PATH_RESPONSE and sending on the same path as PATH_CHALLENGE helps ensure that the path MTU in both directions of the path is sufficient for the protocol to function.

This is a nasty change; I'm personally quite unhappy about the prospect of implementing it, but it seems like the best option we have.

Closes #4216.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241

Commit Summary

  • Pad when validating addresses
  • A big caveat
  • Datagrams, not packets
  • Revert automated formatting of tables, wrap
  • Pad PATH_RESPONSE too

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Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_5f8cd8f5bc379_4d19b411541e1-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 17:12:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2858E3A10DC for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EmGJIAWQaaP8 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 107AB3A10DA for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d6081e0.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.119.28]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3D7509025AE for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:12:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603066368; bh=i7lQc4rhdPAIbXoK9rb/oc7r2NIbG7B88wV6k4sfm60=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=F0o1ZfBFtQ32iwZdrr3P8d5Q6PNlPK4NA5MpaU8XsEMc1E8F57JHu0wNSPhFfPuXv +sV46Zm4EvdrDJIiFRmQgZ0sxOXj2xmSYy8L6Tfp3uCK02qwek+eAa60rubicEdo8o 3zFVDyYtRbKTVeAakSvFV7hIW5JM8AYB3U4Pkvq8= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:12:48 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Error codes and Standard Action / IESG approval range (#4231) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8cda0039b31_4fe619b456635a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:12:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8cda0039b31_4fe619b456635a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The H3 error codes always squatted in the 0x100 space (HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME...), so I think there's always been a problem. Having consistent policies is sensible, but moving the error codes again is going to be slightly painful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-711445800 ----==_mimepart_5f8cda0039b31_4fe619b456635a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The H3 error codes always squatted in the 0x100 space (HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME...), so I think there's always been a problem. Having consistent policies is sensible, but moving the error codes again is going to be slightly painful.

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This seems like the right framing. But everything seems to correspond. > @@ -1314,10 +1314,13 @@ one. If the push stream is open, the server SHOULD abruptly terminate that stream. If the push stream has already ended, the server MAY still abruptly terminate the stream or MAY take no action. -When a server sends CANCEL_PUSH, it is indicating that it will not be fulfilling -a promise. The client cannot expect the corresponding promise to be fulfilled, -unless it has already received and processed the promised response. A server -SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame even if it has opened the corresponding stream. +A server sends CANCEL_PUSH to indicate that it will not be fulfilling a promise +which was previously sent. The client cannot expect the corresponding promise +to be fulfilled, unless it has already received and processed the promised +response. Regardless of whether a corresponding stream has been opened, a server +SHOULD send a CANCEL_PUSH frame when it determines that promise will not be +fulfilled. If a corresponding stream has already been opened, the server can ```suggestion fulfilled. If a stream has already been opened, the server can ``` corresponding is a little redundant the third time around. > @@ -1314,10 +1314,13 @@ one. If the push stream is open, the server SHOULD abruptly terminate that stream. If the push stream has already ended, the server MAY still abruptly terminate the stream or MAY take no action. -When a server sends CANCEL_PUSH, it is indicating that it will not be fulfilling -a promise. The client cannot expect the corresponding promise to be fulfilled, -unless it has already received and processed the promised response. 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If you don't want to renumber (which is entirely reasonable), then these error codes are just taken from the specification required space. I don't see any real problem with that.

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I'm no expert in the area of registration. If some short term pain makes it easier in the long term then that seems reasonable. Ultimately the HTTP WG is going to be taking care of HTTP/3 in future, does @mnot have an opinion?

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----==_mimepart_5f8cdeff55915_4719b411158ee-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 17:38:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379D43A10F2 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S-mrn3-CyGCX for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 315943A10F0 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3ad4437.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3D6CA340927 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603067903; bh=ZVqWZaq7Y5m82P8jham6wwGhl3mLzwuA3+5bNcFBV2Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0AHXlvM3sB0gfpJgRdtwXnOZ62XSaceOCGFpj0Io+b+nDFgkDs0fAfDqD+AMZn/if +x0hEixInAJMCjk92JAiNph0pjcPJ5Y6ANyDNxPq9EleMXEYA2OY9B3H5f49LMVBf/ /w/ktKlhHOj5nps/yBSdwglsj+79/tRM1jmsITx4= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:38:23 -0700 From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Error codes and Standard Action / IESG approval range (#4231) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8cdfff39792_4d0219b4179075"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:38:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8cdfff39792_4d0219b4179075 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No strong opinion, but given that the primary use case for these is debugging http stacks, not exposure to applications, on the face of it I don't think alignment is worth the last-minute pain. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-711450439 ----==_mimepart_5f8cdfff39792_4d0219b4179075 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

No strong opinion, but given that the primary use case for these is debugging http stacks, not exposure to applications, on the face of it I don't think alignment is worth the last-minute pain.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Oct 18 19:48:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2333A125C for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RwVVHjnCzSBs for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71FD53A1259 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-94c13b3.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.30]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AD1C15C042B for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603075733; bh=tLuqmbxFZcaMVOryYeTsGJwUW/tQj6JAi3bbbv2ceSg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kthDfAjnPsteVTqwDY1pgjOdqlCgzx4aLV0QnLmcud0D2EY3Znf25eKjsLkuk6ZbZ iYJDZZXQ4tqiF+4A6SM2iRsRl0KZ7Sl9ZwgqMS0Cd68nCKL4zv0b2NLJRTz/J6zByd wD20wYpQlef6d+UoQJtnq7LV3G6wJUytABIY2iY0= Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:48:53 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Error codes and Standard Action / IESG approval range (#4231) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8cfe95a89d9_4e19b41489c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 02:48:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8cfe95a89d9_4e19b41489c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So it sounds like our options on the table are: 1. **Leave it.** It's *weird*, but not *wrong*. 2. **Renumber**, which is going to make implementers sad. 3. **Rejigger** the boundaries of how things are registered. (2) is right out, I think. Any arguments for (3), or do we just grit our teeth and walk around the odd lump in the spec from now on? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-711480240 ----==_mimepart_5f8cfe95a89d9_4e19b41489c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So it sounds like our options on the table are:

  1. Leave it. It's weird, but not wrong.
  2. Renumber, which is going to make implementers sad.
  3. Rejigger the boundaries of how things are registered.

(2) is right out, I think. Any arguments for (3), or do we just grit our teeth and walk around the odd lump in the spec from now on?

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If we're going to go with a SHOULD on using the same path, then it makes sense to use a SHOULD on the padding piece as well.

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See Section 5 of [SEMANTICS]. I would guess that this can be refined to point to section 5.4. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4242 ----==_mimepart_5f8d542091fe5_4d19b43198bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 1.1: HTTP field line:
A name-value pair sent as part of an HTTP field section. See Section 5 of [SEMANTICS].

I would guess that this can be refined to point to section 5.4.

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Section 1.2:

Diagrams use the format described in Section 3.1 of [RFC2360], with the following additional conventions:

This clearly is an normative reference to RFC2360, please change its classification.

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Section 4.1.2:
Although this is summary of the definition in HPACK, where this issue is clear I think this document should describe things corretly.

HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary. They begin with a single bit flag, denoted as 'H' in this document (indicating whether the string is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification.

The length field as described here, provides an uncertainty if it is the data pre huffman (if applied) encoding or post encoding. HPACK is clear that it is the later. Can you please clarify that the length if the length of the encoded string that is encoded using N-bit prefix integer encoding.

"An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins with the same Huffman flag, followed by the length encoded as an (N-1)-bit prefix integer." This definition if it is the byte or the prefix field that begins with the huffman flag. I would guess that what is meant is that a 6-bit prefix string literal would have a start byte of "??Hxxxxx" rather than "H??xxxxx".

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@gloinul do you still require changes after these explanations?

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----==_mimepart_5f8d90ce96fc9_4f19b421201-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 06:58:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9652C3A0A2B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6lVBC7e2X_ro for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FA8C3A0A5E for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-315e470.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B3D3B5C0D2B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:57:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603115879; bh=EtsGRKlqp3VbS+nTLztXnBvJCE28BxiyyIDWse91WcY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w4OUUYxy+QeBpkX5vczV9bbIHo59EmnyV8QZHDPaTVDVH++Ik0WdzUFIEQqmVxIUO T66VkZb+QHlhVawZ4v0iQ4s+Ja49Cd+qIc+Z+rAKHnh0l6fs1DIN6w0RJGUiK/Ec+V ZpdjQSJ+XteCzxTaokpOIvHjnHl6yuUXZ9BusNAI= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:57:59 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8d9b67b0a85_3619b4682d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:58:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8d9b67b0a85_3619b4682d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking at Appendix B I wonder why isn't the decoder sending "Insert Count Increment" in B.4. Even if Stream 8 is cancelled, shouldn't the decoder actually acknowledge the received Encoder Stream message to do an duplicate by sending a "Insert Count Increment". I think the lack of such a message must at least be commented on? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245 ----==_mimepart_5f8d9b67b0a85_3619b4682d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Looking at Appendix B I wonder why isn't the decoder sending "Insert Count Increment" in B.4. Even if Stream 8 is cancelled, shouldn't the decoder actually acknowledge the received Encoder Stream message to do an duplicate by sending a "Insert Count Increment". I think the lack of such a message must at least be commented on?

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I don't require any change here. I was noting the inconsistency in the registration policy. I think leaving things are acceptable. What I think might be worth it is to note the intention to avoid registrations overlapping with HTTP/2. That is simply to ensure that IETF + IESG knows what to consider in future registrations.

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Change looks good and implements what I proposed.

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Yes, I think this PR clarifies things a bit and are sufficient to resolve my issue.

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----==_mimepart_5f8da7f26795e_5119b4712a0-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 09:03:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E0C3A0898 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aBlSGKVjU3PV for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36F553A0115 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-83a3702.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.115.21]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6B5615E0E7B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603123407; bh=3+Vv/9sn0BVR1/hPXXW/yvFSdZe7fMVvjE3vTdCEqdM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xaj8jY3Aq6c27P5cuz3KyybQB2R4b9KFIbmlrGNb7ZMb9d7lMckynXWAPEg0eGYtm 3/0uNAp7mIRq4moZH/kgilarx5ZKDI9NtnqAW/q5OB8s2dMWTHFvAitUWCM/IeRM2A BcagTfjkYXXj+kymkOJcTcqiCUSaVoL8lpXzP/hs= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:03:27 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8db8cf66cfb_3919b4309794"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:03:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8db8cf66cfb_3919b4309794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realized that clients could mitigate the issue of unpadded ACKs extending the idle timeout by not extending it for unpadded Initial packets, at least until a full-sized packet has been received. If we stick with the current text, I think our implementation will likely do just that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-712267879 ----==_mimepart_5f8db8cf66cfb_3919b4309794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I realized that clients could mitigate the issue of unpadded ACKs extending the idle timeout by not extending it for unpadded Initial packets, at least until a full-sized packet has been received. If we stick with the current text, I think our implementation will likely do just that.

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@gloinul we'd need a response, please

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Labeling this as "design" per #4241

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OK, if any of the editors feels like adding a PR on this, please do so. Otherwise, we can close this when we are publishing the next revisions.

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Labeling this as "editorial" based on #4235

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----==_mimepart_5f8dd4af4e644_5619b428456e-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 11:03:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D127A3A0C88 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:03:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.629, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id agnfKMGEHmEa for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D6D23A0ED7 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a1c7305.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.100.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DD91A560E25 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:03:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603130601; bh=ZCqxO6ZHXXV5DKHW5fSqVnziqGXoUcOl+nfA1CFTbCw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1tnM3O34aUoe8EuVLCiecSY3SabLHL84X9Aqo0IQzMpR9NNQXyTTcrP6GBZHGU+6K 3wJi+a5W4s7ktxb/ZgugC4gqgpqzKzKIXPD0S4/5gAdEyc6TK8OM0+dytpmleDiyEZ wxcPXMbiYFTMr5z2be5y5EE6tuBVUR4HXwXG8LBo= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:03:21 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Error codes and Standard Action / IESG approval range (#4231) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8dd4e9da5d9_5a19b43667d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:03:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8dd4e9da5d9_5a19b43667d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (In any event, it will be "editorial".) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4231#issuecomment-712345887 ----==_mimepart_5f8dd4e9da5d9_5a19b43667d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

(In any event, it will be "editorial".)

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Labeling as "editorial" based on #4231

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Agreed. Marking as "editorial".

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Proposed change is "editorial".

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This would be an "editorial" change.

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Fixes #4243

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Fixes #4242

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Fixes #4240 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4248 -- Commit Summary -- * Pseudo-headers can be negotiated -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4248.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4248.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4248 ----==_mimepart_5f8dddf448fb8_7c319b448885f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Taken from @MikeBishop's suggestion on the list.

Fixes #4240

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  • Pseudo-headers can be negotiated

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----==_mimepart_5f8dddf448fb8_7c319b448885f-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 11:42:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0F03A0FB3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.629, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6x8RdjeVoqmJ for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95C973A0FB2 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-360c797.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.117.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D998C840926 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603132961; bh=4I5Y3aQjBy9JoqH3Oo1RZSmTcUSKUUBR7iUZXKdxbn4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HJXxU+0aQJwwLj0ZGqdEHgBxdaybz6JeBYRZGRuqtI/NUPBAgJJKK9u1jl6HBGdP3 uVGX/RBis9fsaPv67+Le1CGFPAZwVHnr3HCnAc2fcY6TXWkxC3NX7xjcZ8uKQKN5Vq cw7sDkQp5iJ5hNGEG0jmy6EltzZUglnjFKO75nzc= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:41 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pseudo-headers are not an extension point (#4240) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8dde21d5e61_4319b45215f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:42:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8dde21d5e61_4319b45215f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Conversation evolved, I''ve created a PR that takes Mike's suggestion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4240#issuecomment-712368696 ----==_mimepart_5f8dde21d5e61_4319b45215f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Conversation evolved, I''ve created a PR that takes Mike's suggestion.

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----==_mimepart_5f8dde21d5e61_4319b45215f6-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 11:44:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E35C3A0112 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:44:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UvW0QWlucLdp for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81C193A0100 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a44d766.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.119.23]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C764D5E0908 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603133089; bh=IIdKNhaVThMhKomDKQhy+k3/HdKRyeK66RCSDKtxCck=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d4yms9l+v3D7n+Wm1weKR9WK4DbAxGzVc6CwXTocXpwXMGiQOQNJG0j9CNKEpbq9V 0r+NEZseOp6k/+f/kXvTy3bNw8vdwI4L8xi2LTjbAe9VqYLX72H/pSLbnBBdeso9mG kp2615HGfi3vRaNp8DLDHhU6Go1lBElV9KLnnIIg= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:44:49 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] pseudo-headers ain't extensible (#4238) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8ddea1c35fa_5c19b45951ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:44:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8ddea1c35fa_5c19b45951ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not familiar with the history here, but this seems like a design change. I don't think editor action is the right course here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4238#issuecomment-712369778 ----==_mimepart_5f8ddea1c35fa_5c19b45951ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not familiar with the history here, but this seems like a design change. I don't think editor action is the right course here.

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----==_mimepart_5f8ddea1c35fa_5c19b45951ed-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 11:47:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20A13A0FBD for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:47:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mSGVuJGnEzXd for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53B43A0FB3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d72f507.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.113.30]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F10AC5E0FA3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:47:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603133256; bh=vi/ZccGbLXKkHxWtJ7Cb8Km35CeNf2LXS+Hd5Mzrvjs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=J+UN0gcQcVU4y7T+iE+pdwciy4Cf3iRB1d8oROPIxAz1ALwpESV9YeUP9AbOMIJLK rgcmTYPnBX65sZUqtXQpUeuu8p7shn7RzS1SHel36GTzNb+o7d61nzBWhrSuW2AOYF 7ZHeAgkJp2Q+7eLNx4OiObgOdsRp2+H4Hxxq8Tp0= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:47:36 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] c2b85a: IANA: split change controller and contact Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:47:39 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c2b85a533f5c16a2d04ba36362c21cd7c70c3df6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2b85a533f5c16a2d04ba36362c21cd7c70c3df6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- IANA: split change controller and contact At @gloinul's suggestion this adds a "change controller" field to registries and splits between a change controller (IETF) and contact (QUIC WG). 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Commit: 5265a6c6c66f3e08b486fe562f1fe9d0ebdbc8de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5265a6c6c66f3e08b486fe562f1fe9d0ebdbc8de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Apply the same split to HTTP Commit: 2bc8d2fe3ff48abd73bfab4b8bf1b46892412686 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2bc8d2fe3ff48abd73bfab4b8bf1b46892412686 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4239 from quicwg/change-controller-split IANA: split change controller and contact Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5cde363a20ba...2bc8d2fe3ff4 From nobody Mon Oct 19 11:47:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236C83A0FB3 for ; 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Closed #4230 via #4239.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -134,7 +134,7 @@ HTTP fields:
 
 HTTP field line:
 
-: A name-value pair sent as part of an HTTP field section.  See Section 5 of
+: A name-value pair sent as part of an HTTP field section.  See Section 5.4 of

Since 5.4 is specifically headers (and not trailers), we probably need to reference both 5.4 and 5.6. HTTP had a similar change.

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Given that the diagrams themselves are illustrative and the text governs, is the format used in the diagrams actually essential to correctly implementing the protocol?

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@lucasp: Can you close this out to reduce PR clutter?

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Yes, the latter is correct. A prefixed string literal does not begin on a byte boundary; the first bit (when it begins) is the Huffman bit, and the remainder is a prefixed integer.

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Fixes #4244

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This is a duplicate of #4247. @afrind, I suggest closing this one even though it came first.

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Closed #4238.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 19 13:54:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8409B3A09D4 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYnlHarG9lF1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 663D23A09C3 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-640a04c.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.122.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9F1426003FC for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:54:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603140850; bh=wGaPeNNzhs1JFn4DeUdCn9TzbmDqiFJK8UsorEqoEhU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RVmD2XL8HVeyEyLKhzmrTm0WLSgC3sbggNgiSchjWUi5iYXKBuBXlSMGxyML3gbSw 75WJaH3jGymfWQPomobpbrsXRjkNCh+P3igwk0085mmK5WGzkIculVUIKTnioE/bhR adE3dOPwJtR3mIqW1UZ8u/nRkENMZE5K6dnpQ+jQ= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:54:10 -0700 From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More precision in defining string literals (#4249) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8dfcf29b908_4b19b41296da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:54:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8dfcf29b908_4b19b41296da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @afrind commented on this pull request. > +begin other than on a byte boundary. An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins in +mid-byte, with the first (8-N) bits allocated to a previous field. The string Does 'begins mid-byte' read better than 'begins in mid-byte'? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4249#pullrequestreview-512150876 ----==_mimepart_5f8dfcf29b908_4b19b41296da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +begin other than on a byte boundary.  An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins in
+mid-byte, with the first (8-N) bits allocated to a previous field. The string

Does 'begins mid-byte' read better than 'begins in mid-byte'?

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----==_mimepart_5f8dfd6d70682_4419b4159881-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 13:57:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA3E3A09E8 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wbx1vLeIu5kA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA7223A09E7 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-83494c4.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.38]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C7D97340E91 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:57:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603141043; bh=dWTwdtZs2Ahce7T9HItQRTgzDXJ00EORPaQzWbU2n4Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mnrY3/jz1UwgycbyxQryhaXse6KHa1IvAlUcdLTcPUuNQQR9uLNybgaGcc1MnFTi9 lj7j/SxbBhUM/BFOw8ADSzg8VB0LH/Vw0uJQ6TECxCKespieNNAuJiDKD1e9eOhsCs aD20QypbwK6dWLNKj6V0We0Qma4srdxaipMRf6H4= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:57:23 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] More precision in defining string literals (#4249) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8dfdb3c3eff_4919b4134758"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:57:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8dfdb3c3eff_4919b4134758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @LPardue commented on this pull request. > +begin other than on a byte boundary. An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins in +mid-byte, with the first (8-N) bits allocated to a previous field. The string it does to me -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4249#discussion_r508057408 ----==_mimepart_5f8dfdb3c3eff_4919b4134758 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +begin other than on a byte boundary.  An "N-bit prefix string literal" begins in
+mid-byte, with the first (8-N) bits allocated to a previous field. The string

it does to me

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 19 14:10:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48DF93A0A2E for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cYCbFJZ61o8h for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B0D83A0A2C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-724d17f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.122.71]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 508E95213DF for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:10:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603141842; bh=VflCOEJeY25r/Cl7qwVNHLbjUeuLiv3+SBbKgmkMPUo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r5AbjDtsP0PR+z+KoJ0Kr3KysqgjIbPy5P39VyUDrs0TkrYAyyKgg+iAl0/XnuM06 IpsylUnKVGDH0P0QobIjGMr9jVSC8sZONLCuXPJD1i/zSGuWwg8bz4mQf3Wxwe2Yef JskoDhpAFPuC9O05B8OCL67jcS6AgQrPxGlDwF9Q= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:10:42 -0700 From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e00d24c330_5e19b41271bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:10:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e00d24c330_5e19b41271bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The example as written is not *incorrect*, since the decoder has the option to batch Insert Count Increments. And further, there's no indication in the example that the Duplicate arrived at the decoder either. But I agree that if that's the intent of the example, then there should be a comment to that effect...does anyone feel like one or the other is more illustrative? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245#issuecomment-712444117 ----==_mimepart_5f8e00d24c330_5e19b41271bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The example as written is not incorrect, since the decoder has the option to batch Insert Count Increments. And further, there's no indication in the example that the Duplicate arrived at the decoder either. But I agree that if that's the intent of the example, then there should be a comment to that effect...does anyone feel like one or the other is more illustrative?

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----==_mimepart_5f8e00d24c330_5e19b41271bb-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 14:15:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D173A0A3B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AskcimSQsLpq for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27FFC3A0A34 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-eb65843.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.33]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 764B3560EEC for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:14:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603142099; bh=GqcND02qVKgkXBCuFH9+GV1YwroHSreHX7xymoVFKIA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Pqwxz2Bg9lw9vAU/Kwo0HsvtxrVv9EKFi5GLj55U5JmipzRdwhgH972vdHfQ6hPi2 h8Uh2mACKD0RHoa3QyinTQmQ/V4KkqXaN8ppkdOta6p/ILgO1F3uAvAWOLoYH2ZhIR Gvi/KFEkLmtGebA8oBiwE5fwqWVhSdhXvQg5+vKA= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:14:59 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e01d3728b0_5119b41608d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:15:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e01d3728b0_5119b41608d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think, in the interest if simplicity, don't overload example if you can avoid it. Batching seems like overloading to me. If you're saying "the client cancelled before receiving the instruction" that seems clear to me and text to make that explicit could help -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245#issuecomment-712446113 ----==_mimepart_5f8e01d3728b0_5119b41608d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think, in the interest if simplicity, don't overload example if you can avoid it. Batching seems like overloading to me.

If you're saying "the client cancelled before receiving the instruction" that seems clear to me and text to make that explicit could help

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When I drafted the example, I probably just missed it, but it seems like a good opportunity to explore the case where the encoder stream data is delayed. Fixes #4245 From nobody Mon Oct 19 14:41:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F133A0AC6 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=0.726, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4LLKeQHgSgAQ for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C3D73A0ABA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3f7f2bb.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.116.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D1A545E090C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:40:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603143657; bh=RXm1DxAXtgmrym5h+6WMJtCrzXHIx4ATl8MnT8JnnLg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=A4j0OrJIRrh2Kb4KU4Gw8dpwmbXN1A2eGFaWPTzce5ViTKjKKhhc/WssROkS4+w6g /5AIx8gLZvPs9tzxy1I+ldT4mPi+aBXZy2ALGx/GKBpAogmO7dJXLFQ+xlBxxRtdGW jCUnEN47j73Xrl1udKfaG32OeGoAiWphPEz6oyHY= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:40:57 -0700 From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] [qpack] Update Example B4 (#4250) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e07e9cdc0c_5319b4240061"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 21:41:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e07e9cdc0c_5319b4240061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Explain why there is no Insert Count Increment sent from the Decoder to the Encoder in this example. When I drafted the example, I probably just missed it, but it seems like a good opportunity to explore the case where the encoder stream data is delayed. Fixes #4245 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4250 -- Commit Summary -- * [qpack] Update Example B4 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4250.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4250.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4250 ----==_mimepart_5f8e07e9cdc0c_5319b4240061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Explain why there is no Insert Count Increment sent from the Decoder to the Encoder in this example. When I drafted the example, I probably just missed it, but it seems like a good opportunity to explore the case where the encoder stream data is delayed.

Fixes #4245

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This provides guidance to experts about avoiding overlap of error codes
with HTTP/2 and explains why the codes in the document are where they
are.

Closes #4231.

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...or alter the idle timeout behavior when unpadded ACK-only packets are received.

Fixes #4183

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 19 15:11:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6403A0C44 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.048, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Y6An3vY16ki for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF6973A0C3F for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f1ca145.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.112.79]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D69A6560AC7 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603145509; bh=LUtvkN0lm3Pjmfq3dN3CF/SxHVnXAXoPWF6tJR89C3E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZzBAo1xcH0mShR8OH4EnHqh9/KtCoUq+0YsQktYXC5N42xZvwP2n2dVgnHHvNUhVg UeUBinnhE3crTaZHTdCdZsr2dtaG70+PTm7v6thbStxmMbklECK9ntvDbLzAbSvIQd 5VJEaIAUImFoXxTi9jNoBTHYjljG82tsvd/xMmhY= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:11:49 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e0f25d38de_5119b4103972"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:11:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e0f25d38de_5119b4103972 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gloinul does the PR address this issue? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@gloinul does the PR address this issue?

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----==_mimepart_5f8e0f25d38de_5119b4103972-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 15:23:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6423A0D31 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:23:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.7, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4y-Cx7ypdj3g for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 376EC3A0CDA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fef0bc0.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.114.74]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7A42A520DC4 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:23:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603146225; bh=gsj8mblaOf70AgSk3sOkppAhAupZN7gWI9cXVK5VvTw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cSmZSJGdo+5Wl6fozCjCBiqHYeaJ6l9TOT9Zjz7aaWCz5B91GqqTNDzhr/9ptQ5pO MiQ9o5xGc3r/IO9amtktS+n+zGKxY5g4g4Z6o+VM2DaCSjisj2ShyKOBPqMhiV3naW YCBtcwMGS6Yv0jlWMHyXweRowR5g3+q55CVhu+BY= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:23:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Document why one might want to pad ACKS (#4252) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e11f175e6b_5a19b488a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:23:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e11f175e6b_5a19b488a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said privately, I don't think that we need to say anything more on this point. The case we are interested in is Initial packets from a server that contain only ACK. If those are getting through, then they will be in response to Initial packets from the client. Given that the client has received an acknowledgement, it will only be sending Initial packets on PTO. As the PTO count doesn't reset at this stage, the PTO timeout increases exponentially. Eventually the PTO will be larger than the idle timeout. So - worst case - the idle timeout is doubled. If you are relying on idle timeout to abandon the connection attempt, then this isn't great, but you can still rely on that being hit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4252#issuecomment-712475046 ----==_mimepart_5f8e11f175e6b_5a19b488a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As I said privately, I don't think that we need to say anything more on this point. The case we are interested in is Initial packets from a server that contain only ACK. If those are getting through, then they will be in response to Initial packets from the client. Given that the client has received an acknowledgement, it will only be sending Initial packets on PTO. As the PTO count doesn't reset at this stage, the PTO timeout increases exponentially. Eventually the PTO will be larger than the idle timeout. So - worst case - the idle timeout is doubled. If you are relying on idle timeout to abandon the connection attempt, then this isn't great, but you can still rely on that being hit.

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If we are going to add a note, I'd rather add one about the fact that smaller-than-1200-byte non-ack-eliciting packets can cause unpredicted side-effects. Given that we don't have anything actionable here for an implementer however, I don't see the value in this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4252#issuecomment-712499955 ----==_mimepart_5f8e23f8c3cc8_5319b41260de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @martinthomson here. If we are going to add a note, I'd rather add one about the fact that smaller-than-1200-byte non-ack-eliciting packets can cause unpredicted side-effects. Given that we don't have anything actionable here for an implementer however, I don't see the value in this.

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We ought to be able to rely on exponential backoff of PTO and idle timeout for correctness, which we agreed as the goal here. Is there a reason what we have now will not work?

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Doubling the amount of time for idle timeout to occur is a bummer, so I think it's worth documenting the potential issue if we're not going to change the normative text?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -2126,7 +2127,9 @@ Name:
 Description:
 : A brief description of the error code semantics.
 
-The entries in {{iana-error-table}} are registered by this document.
+The entries in {{iana-error-table}} are registered by this document. These
+Error codes were selected from the range that operates on a Specification
+Required policy to avoid collisions with HTTP/2 error codes.

I think we can pass on that, as the definition is cited a few paragraphs up.

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This ensures the path is functional in both +directions. This requirement MUST NOT be enforced by the endpoint that +initiates path validation as that would enable an attack on migration; see +{{off-path-forward}}. + +An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at I requested it be a SHOULD for two reasons: 1) It's unenforceable, and unenforceable MUSTs are unfortunate. 2) If we ever did multipath, it may make sense to send PATH_RESPONSE on a different path than the PATH_CHALLENGE, and a SHOULD makes that possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241#discussion_r508142179 ----==_mimepart_5f8e32ea460dc_5119b42288e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  frame unless constrained by congestion control.
 
+A PATH_RESPONSE frame SHOULD be sent on the network path where the
+PATH_CHALLENGE was received.  This ensures the path is functional in both
+directions.  This requirement MUST NOT be enforced by the endpoint that
+initiates path validation as that would enable an attack on migration; see
+{{off-path-forward}}.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at

I requested it be a SHOULD for two reasons:

  1. It's unenforceable, and unenforceable MUSTs are unfortunate.
  2. If we ever did multipath, it may make sense to send PATH_RESPONSE on a different path than the PATH_CHALLENGE, and a SHOULD makes that possible.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 19 17:46:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5CC3A1304 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EkkO9IPyZnGw for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64B003A1300 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ccb57e1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.18.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AA4C25C074A for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:46:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603154802; bh=Cf3TsV2lFthyuu+S+CpyxF4uxfs7CT58CSshvJDtUyU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kwnRFnWZNF0cALsZjD1EiTYVilj+UertbuqzF3HJO0dtBKofrSo77NIO36q2EN1Op Y1J2Mcc5HtW3ek3o3R0tgFYGJRB0BGMZvM6SrcfV7W/Mkv/nPdK6TjbI1yLCeGwtaN hI1YLfZpE6jtwwb1vRunPQK+T637VuZCrVj0/2kY= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:46:42 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad path validation in both directions (#4241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e3372a6741_5519b4401369"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:46:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e3372a6741_5519b4401369 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > frame unless constrained by congestion control. +A PATH_RESPONSE frame SHOULD be sent on the network path where the +PATH_CHALLENGE was received. This ensures the path is functional in both +directions. This requirement MUST NOT be enforced by the endpoint that +initiates path validation as that would enable an attack on migration; see +{{off-path-forward}}. + +An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at I was happy to accommodate Ian's request, but I think that MUST is slightly better, even if it is unenforceable (I'm sure that Marten will be happy to enforce it in practice.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241#discussion_r508142832 ----==_mimepart_5f8e3372a6741_5519b4401369 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  frame unless constrained by congestion control.
 
+A PATH_RESPONSE frame SHOULD be sent on the network path where the
+PATH_CHALLENGE was received.  This ensures the path is functional in both
+directions.  This requirement MUST NOT be enforced by the endpoint that
+initiates path validation as that would enable an attack on migration; see
+{{off-path-forward}}.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at

I was happy to accommodate Ian's request, but I think that MUST is slightly better, even if it is unenforceable (I'm sure that Marten will be happy to enforce it in practice.)

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Possibly this is not the right text, but @marten-seemann wanted to pad ACKs and I think there are valid reasons, so I'm attempting to describe the one possible issue with not doing so.

I'm happy to close this and accept someone else's PR instead.

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----==_mimepart_5f8e348bc8f6f_4919b4240970-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 18:24:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B8F3A0A2B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:24:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ior7byqK-KEB for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AF743A0906 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-14eb902.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.42]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 45FD15C0D5B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:24:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603157068; bh=VjY8rPmQRWlthfHnN8KFduS3IlT0CAt+HJIUsA2NCtE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w6k2VY+wgNxBr56aOft5KAauUoe8+1tz8PLM90T2hLx8WGZmriGqp1gEna+qTc82n 36XulAhBA9ZPcl7kgarEQJmBhpFghpm/Wt2Aj1TIIAslHVD298ftbGSGBxH7TUKL9l GjOmVNX/LE/JxygP9VmHiZgL7Id5oSamlvJTGjUk= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:24:28 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints cannot verify padding (#4253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e3c4c4225e_3a19b432027b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:24:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e3c4c4225e_3a19b432027b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In #4183, we added the following sentence, but I think it does not make sense. > When a client receives an ack-eliciting Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram with a payload that is less than 1200 bytes, that client MAY close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. Generally speaking, a receiver of a _datagram_ cannot verify if the sender sent a full-sized packet. That is because a datagram as a whole is not authenticated. Instead, we authenticate each of the QUIC packets that constitute the datagram. Therefore, if the sender sends a datagram consisting of multiple QUIC packet, it is (almost always) possible for a MITM to take one of the QUIC packets, coalesce that with a few octets, and forward that _datagram_. That forwarded _datagram_ would be smaller than the original datagram. Note also that a sender can send coalesced packet after the handshake too; see [section 14.4.1 of the transport draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-pmtu-probes-containing-sour). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4253 ----==_mimepart_5f8e3c4c4225e_3a19b432027b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In #4183, we added the following sentence, but I think it does not make sense.

When a client receives an ack-eliciting Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram with a payload that is less than 1200 bytes, that client MAY close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

Generally speaking, a receiver of a datagram cannot verify if the sender sent a full-sized packet.

That is because a datagram as a whole is not authenticated. Instead, we authenticate each of the QUIC packets that constitute the datagram.

Therefore, if the sender sends a datagram consisting of multiple QUIC packet, it is (almost always) possible for a MITM to take one of the QUIC packets, coalesce that with a few octets, and forward that datagram. That forwarded datagram would be smaller than the original datagram.

Note also that a sender can send coalesced packet after the handshake too; see section 14.4.1 of the transport draft.

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As a step forward, I think we should do the following:

  • Regarding the sentence we added in #4183, we should either a) change the rule to "MAY discard UDP datagrams less than 1200 bytes that carry ACK-eliciting Initial apckets", or b) delete the sentence, and
  • Considering the fact that there could be other occasions in which we might want to require padding, either within the base drafts, or in some of the extensions, add a note to section 14 or somewhere that datagram size is not authenticated and cannot be enforced by the peer.

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LGTM, with a note regarding MUST vs. SHOULD for padding.

As I pointed out in #4253, datagram size is not authenticated, and therefore receivers can never enforce the use of padding (though they MAY discard packets that do not meet the padding requirement).

If we go with a MUST, we should be clear about that.

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Closes #4523, by adding generic "MUST NOT close, MAY discard packets" rule.

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  • endpoint MAY discard, MUST NOT close when receiving a datagram that does not meet the padding requirements
  • add ref

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@kazuho: I hate to make more changes, but I think your point is a good one. If a receiver does the enforcement that we added in #4188, that makes us vulnerable to this MOTS attack.

The newly added text in #4188 hasn't shipped yet in a draft, so if we can get agreement, I'd like to take this in before we ship the next draft.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  frame unless constrained by congestion control.
 
+A PATH_RESPONSE frame SHOULD be sent on the network path where the
+PATH_CHALLENGE was received.  This ensures the path is functional in both
+directions.  This requirement MUST NOT be enforced by the endpoint that
+initiates path validation as that would enable an attack on migration; see
+{{off-path-forward}}.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at

A SHOULD suggests there are potentially good reasons where an implementation might deviate from the recommendation. If there aren't any, then it's a MUST. It doesn't have to be enforceable, since not doing it means the protocol might not work as intended. That is the case here -- not following the MUST means that the protocol might not work.

In terms of the value in deviating from this recommendation, I don't see this degree of freedom being useful for multipath, though it's likely I'm not seeing what you're thinking. That said, I don't think we should design multipath here.

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I am concerned that the note is a bit too specific regarding behaviors around timeout. We do assume endpoints to have timeouts other than idle timeouts.

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I'd rather add one about the fact that smaller-than-1200-byte non-ack-eliciting packets can cause unpredicted side-effects.

I'm not sure if giving such advice makes sense. As pointed out in #4253, size of datagram is not authenticated, and therefore endpoints should be prepared against MOTS attackers injecting spoofed datagrams that do not meet the padding requirement.

It might be true that we can have exceptions for Initial packets, but I do not think having such exception is worthwhile when we cannot have such an exception for connection migration.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4085,6 +4085,13 @@ UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer.  In IPv4
 ({{!IPv4=RFC0791}}), the DF bit MUST be set if possible, to prevent
 fragmentation on the path.
 
+Even though datagrams with certain properties are required to be padded, the
+size of the datagram is not authenticated, and endpoints might send coalesced
+packets after the handshake is confirmed (see {{packet-coalesce}}).  Therefore,

Once the handshake is confirmed, Handshake keys are dropped. From that point on, it's not possible to send coalesced packets any more.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4085,6 +4085,13 @@ UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer.  In IPv4
 ({{!IPv4=RFC0791}}), the DF bit MUST be set if possible, to prevent
 fragmentation on the path.
 
+Even though datagrams with certain properties are required to be padded, the
+size of the datagram is not authenticated, and endpoints might send coalesced
+packets after the handshake is confirmed (see {{packet-coalesce}}).  Therefore,

Once the handshake is confirmed, Handshake keys are dropped. From that point on, it's not possible to send coalesced packets any more.

That's not true. Use of handshake packets is explicitly allowed post-handshake; see
https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-pmtu-probes-containing-sour.

The reason the reference currently points to packet-coalesce is because it's more generic (and also contains reference to post-handshake PMTUD), but the reference can be specific if that's others' preference.

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This seems sensible. > @@ -4085,6 +4085,13 @@ UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer. In IPv4 ({{!IPv4=RFC0791}}), the DF bit MUST be set if possible, to prevent fragmentation on the path. +Even though datagrams with certain properties are required to be padded, the +size of the datagram is not authenticated, and endpoints might send coalesced +packets after the handshake is confirmed (see {{packet-coalesce}}). Therefore, ```suggestion packets after the handshake is confirmed; see {{packet-coalesce}}. Therefore, ``` > @@ -4085,6 +4085,13 @@ UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer. In IPv4 ({{!IPv4=RFC0791}}), the DF bit MUST be set if possible, to prevent fragmentation on the path. +Even though datagrams with certain properties are required to be padded, the ```suggestion Datagrams are required to be padded under some conditions. 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-packets after the handshake is confirmed (see {{packet-coalesce}}).  The=
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I don't think that we need to call this out, but you can use the other= suggestion if you prefer.

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+Even though datagrams with certain properties are required to be padded,=
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=0D =0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-not meet the padding requirements, though the=
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Yes, that simple tweak do make it clearer. So resolved.

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----==_mimepart_5f8e8735a4b3b_27db19b427062e-- From nobody Mon Oct 19 23:45:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010363A1073 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dvWFWYUl5oIu for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E41623A1071 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-40f47a7.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.123.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DA870520092 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:45:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603176306; bh=v3j3BFVWrIxnLiJkNASX8wbSvvWgbsVKE3Y0o0zK6pU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=WL+z+ViF+jGGUoFlMzFom8aRUFGH8JPKUlGiWu8VDyBeBBB9fPGXQ6o2IyxixUom/ cDw6qCXQMC89LDVDaJl48L7mvJlHIV3ITA7d43ujjOLSOBF6UqMSqr9F2akuyxm3Zt 1JtXP0dGPkVGJlI99q1eZLSeGdKyOt+xzOgkryjk= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:45:06 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 90efd5: Script updating gh-pages from 1e95cb2f. 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This seems like a good proposed tweak, but this has to stop. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4253#issuecomment-712631735 ----==_mimepart_5f8e877e76e9e_335619b42905ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A timely reminder that making changes always results in making more changes and no matter how careful or small, there are almost always problems. This seems like a good proposed tweak, but this has to stop.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Oct 19 23:46:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204063A107D for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRHTqqlmCKAh for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2EDC3A107B for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c21e43a.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.102.42]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 24A3F600D60 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:46:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603176364; bh=8oCjdI4ujQnZO7aiu98bW8DiqC50AT7+KM4nYoMK6+s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JQm4hMNS/2/uKw5Z64eCroehVVSstvA6t6VByeJJ1kO6lnNwnDlvJKKLcGHFTyJll TEI/vutI7+G33/0moy9/fWVSuQN1P6fKK9TCbi8YnBCtGQENZizfSKkBtpK3/rQ5Ra 0WFU3NGl9R0BW6FdgCnVodvSYe2/563Y6Bi7jPJI= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:46:04 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP-31: Reserved Error codes (#4219) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e87ac21578_3d0619b41666df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:46:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e87ac21578_3d0619b41666df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I don't require changes. I still think there are a significant inconsistency to us "no-known-error" or as the actual code says "No Error" for something that is in fact a known error. Even if one select to be less specific there are other error codes that would be more correct. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4219#issuecomment-712632045 ----==_mimepart_5f8e87ac21578_3d0619b41666df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

No, I don't require changes. I still think there are a significant inconsistency to us "no-known-error" or as the actual code says "No Error" for something that is in fact a known error. Even if one select to be less specific there are other error codes that would be more correct.

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----==_mimepart_5f8e8e21a639f_3519b45373c7-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 00:19:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357AF3A03F4 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id daMmNWcAbWmC for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBB193A03EE for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c306552.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.118.49]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9947E900D69 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:19:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603178373; bh=iJW0DTx8QRUX2ziNMKe7fpQswC0mQ5FEAVtpTBvWWHE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ay6cNCZPLTWjiB/XlMdYuzlk9DnV1sGDbejY2Df2jsaff9wW3E0zc9asJAtwXM504 2ixGJohq/Oy8001J31xUDhyS6KuW8N+2UENLFxhsmTq0pwpeSQ1eTXLBX9TBLK6kyA H0fWcsMKBQ+kkXNGiKyeNVBnH2Kp7q++8Qb+c4ZY= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:19:33 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e8f8595d73_5819b4708043"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:19:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e8f8595d73_5819b4708043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The PR provides the context for the cancellation. However, if I understand the spec correctly, you can't reneg on the encoder stream duplicate command. That is going to happen. And even if the count increase doesn't happen in B.4, why haven't it happen in B.5? I think the connection to B.5 state here is of relevance. As the examples are a seuqence, I would expect that the B.4 ends with a Insert Increment Count to acknowledge the duplication when that arrives. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245#issuecomment-712648481 ----==_mimepart_5f8e8f8595d73_5819b4708043 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The PR provides the context for the cancellation. However, if I understand the spec correctly, you can't reneg on the encoder stream duplicate command. That is going to happen. And even if the count increase doesn't happen in B.4, why haven't it happen in B.5? I think the connection to B.5 state here is of relevance. As the examples are a seuqence, I would expect that the B.4 ends with a Insert Increment Count to acknowledge the duplication when that arrives.

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----==_mimepart_5f8e9c45ea59e_6019b47685d-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 01:15:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2926F3A0B6F for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:15:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FYiOfCepeota for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B7163A0B6D for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c7c858f.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.10]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 58C96340044 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:15:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603181725; bh=D/8M69tduZxLRt6EjrV49JBpzI3jNFkk5unJVSr8Q5Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LbHthaSmIBJLYEgfR4MWMJeHu6SfBW+G70NxD0vwKlKXNkbdguY+vKn8XVc0tdNQs pVJNtKJTkDjakQ0Js9I2rcZsOlwhAXx2xgykWohgscFsRiOdy5ZDxNjsUqUEVoJqKu Ouo/Rwrw8dIyHZYYcnx4XQEh/gQ3VB9QX0FjVr50= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:15:25 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] receivers cannot enforce datagram padding (though they may drop) (#4254) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8e9c9d55379_4719b41134b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:15:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8e9c9d55379_4719b41134b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho commented on this pull request. > +size of the datagram is not authenticated, and endpoints might send coalesced +packets after the handshake is confirmed (see {{packet-coalesce}}). Therefore, Thank you for the review. I removed the callout in 353747d. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4254#discussion_r508298771 ----==_mimepart_5f8e9c9d55379_4719b41134b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +size of the datagram is not authenticated, and endpoints might send coalesced
+packets after the handshake is confirmed (see {{packet-coalesce}}).  Therefore,

Thank you for the review. I removed the callout in 353747d.

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@gloinul approved this pull request.

I think this is an improvement and is clear. So I am fine with going forward with this change.

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----==_mimepart_5f8ea1e0de1fb_5a19b413121f-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 01:55:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560B13A0A47 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-x8Rsves058 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 397BF3A0A3B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d1a295a.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.43]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7996960002B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:55:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603184106; bh=K1eQpKjcSM6cKXG7XUGuw+WpSZGGYQlCTInjhj5DzVo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UYnilm5xJasZzaDTw7g396MbjfMdYAuRrSqs9Us4WHNGX97z0TEH86Yd7hz4fkRvS ZqofuTGT+EOOkGB6Z3GVS5nX9q4kFB7poNJzWlhTykedffO41ZYmsfxYhZyijPpN/p 7jf5jNS3LAjbwexl5TeQ31lg7dKbJqLEjIyqRv3o= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 01:55:06 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints cannot verify padding (#4253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8ea5ea75d12_5919b411657c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:55:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8ea5ea75d12_5919b411657c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let us discuss what purpose that "MAY discard" rule has and compare it to the issue. What is important for an endpoint is to ensure that its path to the peer is possible to forward packets and supporting at least minimal MTU to make QUIC work. I think that requirement lies on each endpoint to ensure that. Does the client need to enforce the server behavior for that verification? Is that a risk in itself that is greater, equal or less than the MOTS risk the enforcement has? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4253#issuecomment-712700192 ----==_mimepart_5f8ea5ea75d12_5919b411657c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Let us discuss what purpose that "MAY discard" rule has and compare it to the issue. What is important for an endpoint is to ensure that its path to the peer is possible to forward packets and supporting at least minimal MTU to make QUIC work. I think that requirement lies on each endpoint to ensure that. Does the client need to enforce the server behavior for that verification? Is that a risk in itself that is greater, equal or less than the MOTS risk the enforcement has?

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So I think #4251 resolves the last aspects of this issue by providing basic guidance.

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Simply note that I think the proposal in #4241 appear to be an okay resolution. I would recommend that people consider also #4188 so they are aligned.

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----==_mimepart_5f8eaafac3c84_5419b41038b2-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 03:48:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819033A112D for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 03:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c8J4LrcaJxY8 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 03:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F52F3A0AB9 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 03:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-2bb7979.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.100.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4435F5C0EFF for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 03:48:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603190915; bh=gdMeq3/qIaZtnHq0FA+ffOigbo0ipshIXS2pMJz0W4Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oTw2qii0L4zyYL6K1XE047oxYr1eVkPuS8thQCr5aqhgpXCJigq5rrm9inYJfMTc6 sxPU8z8JAE6ytDSBX4uwgDfY4lA1L0rxhMlf4qATNedh1RKZIDDyuZHOJX8uzbnA9g 9qohG2EINz1woKj1avNlAC1UT5WTstGKlhXHBfnI= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 03:48:35 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Endpoints cannot verify padding (#4253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8ec08340088_5e19b4843f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:48:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8ec08340088_5e19b4843f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson @gloinul I totally agree that this has to stop. I'm sorry to have missed this point when working on #4188; I realized the problem when I was wondering about the MUST vs. SHOULD discussion in #4241. That said, I do think that it would be a good idea to adopt the proposal in this issue. Let me go through the facts first. They are: * An encrypted transport has to discard unauthenticated signals to prevent MOTS attackers from disrupting the connection. * The size of the datagram is an unauthenticated signal throughout the lifetime of the connection. As noted above, this is the case for 1-RTT packets after handshake confirmation too. Due to these facts, "MUST NOT close, can discard" is a principle that we've always had. The reason we hadn't written it down is because we used to have only one requirement regarding datagram length, that correctly follow the principle, stating that "servers MUST discard non-full-sized datagrams containing Initial packets." But now that we have emerging consensus that datagrams carrying PATH_CHALLENGE / PATH_RESPONSE MUST be padded to full size (#4241), we need to write down that the receiver cannot enforce that. Realizing that, I started to wonder if the "MAY close" rule that we added in #4188 has been correct. As @janaiyengar points out, #4188 is a change that has not shipped yet. It's a recent change due to an issue discovered during *this* IETF last call. I do not think we have official consensus yet. Therefore, I tend to think there would be less confusion if the next draft would contain: * servers MUST pad datagrams carrying ack-eleciting Initial packets (the basis of #4188) * endpoints MUST pad datagrams carrying PATH_CHALLENGE / PATH_RESPONSE frames (#4241) * endpoints MUST NOT close a connection when receiving datagrams with size requirements (#4254) rather than having two different of rules for handling small-sized datagrams, of which one does not follow the principle. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4253#issuecomment-712764115 ----==_mimepart_5f8ec08340088_5e19b4843f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson @gloinul I totally agree that thi= s has to stop. I'm sorry to have missed this point when working on #4188; = I realized the problem when I was wondering about the MUST vs. SHOULD dis= cussion in #4241.

That said, I do think that it would be a good idea to adopt the propos= al in this issue.

Let me go through the facts first. They are:

  • An encrypted transport has to discard unauthenticated signals to prev= ent MOTS attackers from disrupting the connection.
  • The size of the datagram is an unauthenticated signal throughout the = lifetime of the connection. As noted above, this is the case for 1-RTT pa= ckets after handshake confirmation too.

Due to these facts, "MUST NOT close, can discard" is a principle that = we've always had. The reason we hadn't written it down is because we used= to have only one requirement regarding datagram length, that correctly f= ollow the principle, stating that "servers MUST discard non-full-sized da= tagrams containing Initial packets."

But now that we have emerging consensus that datagrams carrying PATH_C= HALLENGE / PATH_RESPONSE MUST be padded to full size (#4241), we need to = write down that the receiver cannot enforce that.

Realizing that, I started to wonder if the "MAY close" rule that we ad= ded in #4188 has been correct.

As @janaiyengar points out, #4188 is a change that has = not shipped yet. It's a recent change due to an issue discovered during <= em>this IETF last call. I do not think we have official consensus ye= t.

Therefore, I tend to think there would be less confusion if the next d= raft would contain:

  • servers MUST pad datagrams carrying ack-eleciting Initial packets (th= e basis of #4188)
  • endpoints MUST pad datagrams carrying PATH_CHALLENGE / PATH_RESPONSE = frames (#4241)
  • endpoints MUST NOT close a connection when receiving datagrams with s= ize requirements (#4254)

rather than having two different of rules for handling small-sized dat= agrams, of which one does not follow the principle.

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OK, I am closing this now. If an editor feels like they want to address @gloinul's final comment above with an editorial PR, they can still do so.

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@afrind and @MikeBishop need to weigh in on this.

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----==_mimepart_5f8ed921a4ec7_26219b48447a-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 05:43:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD273A09DB for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J9DtKuguHvsv for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA68E3A09D5 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ca56ed5.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.110.37]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E1472560D7A for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603197800; bh=N3HidIq6uKdMyXHEyq8KXnlnMNcI5lhfHAJmwHkh5eM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BQ9TZ3IIfO+YNJcjetSxXleT3Y0OPu0eLl1fo80JnZ2KK1+ENW5crqSp5ZiNV0izw aZKFyat4crXtOv+Nad7dfSYLH1dWm1UHOkKKXKm+t3OfptCvBRQdCBwsjGnDwy4STt cPBY3eco5UsczmLAMHj0Jvg0aZmpbSUMDauypGPY= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:43:20 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad path validation in both directions (#4241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8edb68ddd46_4819b41482fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:43:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8edb68ddd46_4819b41482fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mirjak commented on this pull request. > @@ -2224,8 +2237,9 @@ PATH_RESPONSE frames. ### Successful Path Validation Path validation succeeds when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received that contains -the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE frame. This validates the -path on which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. +the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE frame. A PATH_RESPONSE +frame received on any network path validates the path on which the +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. I guess it actually only validates one direction of that path but I guess that nit picking... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241#pullrequestreview-512663209 ----==_mimepart_5f8edb68ddd46_4819b41482fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mirjak commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2224,8 +2237,9 @@ PATH_RESPONSE frames.
 ### Successful Path Validation
 
 Path validation succeeds when a PATH_RESPONSE frame is received that contains
-the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE frame. This validates the
-path on which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.
+the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE frame.  A PATH_RESPONSE
+frame received on any network path validates the path on which the
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.

I guess it actually only validates one direction of that path but I guess that nit picking...

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Given we explicitly allow coalesced packets for PathMTU, I agree that closing the connection seems like the wrong thing to do. The PR looks sensible.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:12:03 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials Commit: ebdaff03846df83bc6f465c7d3e7e11d5d74a0ad https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/ebdaff03846df83bc6f465c7d3e7e11d5d74a0ad Author: joergdeutschmann-i7 <60349884+joergdeutschmann-i7@users.noreply.github.com> Date: 2020-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 2020) Changed paths: A interim-20-10/QUIC-interim-2020-10-22-SatTerMultipath-05.pdf Log Message: ----------- Use case: satellite / terrestrial multipath communication (#156) * Use case: satellite / terrestrial multipath communication Similar to Hybrid Access, we have a use-case which combines low latency, low data rate and high data rate, high latency (geostationary satellite) links. We need one or two minutes for presentation at most. The mentioned draft will be available within the next days. * Moved slides to correct folder * Updated slides to -01.pdf * Updated slides to -02.pdf * Updated slides to -03.pdf; added "requires availability and knowledge of both paths at the same time" * Yet another update -04; single-path performance, 0-RTT connection setup * Updated slides to -05.pdf From nobody Tue Oct 20 06:12:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831A63A0B3E for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:12:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MsW1qjcPywxF for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C57F3A0B39 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7ed916a.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.118.80]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B69B1E0573 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603199562; bh=c8MupjEJm7gnq2YVEojNyhrWZ4dBn/YrRQB07lK0a34=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=YXxJH5uKiGjBN9dQVd5/5+c30+xjEfNdlEsBfg3jMhqRzWwsBybRZ99g/bY0efClZ +9pASZ05xVF1cgS9sXQxj5rZwMcf3DgzrYqqRhbLbbZcH6FEKj4lOHmVePxWOfV0dD STTxYEe+JUofd0EmRS6L9GCsrUzfNjwdWyjeg280= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:12:42 -0700 From: SpencerDawkins To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/wg-materials] 353d0a: Create Multipath Steering Modes in 3GPP ATSSS.pdf ... 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 20 07:31:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A02A3A0C8B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id riiQxb0c6VCT for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 281DD3A0C7C for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4ddcf38.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.17.25]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5FF239025A3 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:30:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603204258; bh=S385m3teMyWXt5hulOZsntf2NCLtnnI9hx5tfPUZN68=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I5wy+yU/KYsgZ+9rIH2ytwtExXpMji+dM2SvH7xPPDz5+ZcITNnHBK02VEeHZ5JcB 9S1v8tdLzHl+GoY1R/dJNCxw7ZrfWp92oXTuB61wYgWbae1hc9JIFJgYekKd0PPkZ5 /tsg8UJvS5Fy23J7NUTJZHIKS13qYYu4OiCO9L1s= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:30:58 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8ef4a25bc27_4719b4329165"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:31:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8ef4a25bc27_4719b4329165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not reneged, just not yet acknowledged. B.5 doesn't send any encoded field sections, so there's not a requirement to acknowledge. However, it's probably a good idea to mention in B.5 that the delayed instruction has arrived, since otherwise the decoder won't have seen the newly-added field yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245#issuecomment-712896015 ----==_mimepart_5f8ef4a25bc27_4719b4329165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's not reneged, just not yet acknowledged. B.5 doesn't send any encoded field sections, so there's not a requirement to acknowledge. However, it's probably a good idea to mention in B.5 that the delayed instruction has arrived, since otherwise the decoder won't have seen the newly-added field yet.

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Agree with Ian. My plea for stopping was not about the fix (the fix here is good), but the original change. We would not have had this problem if we were able to accept that the protocol wasn't absolutely perfect.

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Example B.5 doesn't make any assertions about what the decoder has seen or not seen -- all examples show the encoder's table only. But I can update the PR to include that note.

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@kazuho has described a way forward on the mailing list for this issue - are we good with that? If so, let's merge, close and do the consensus establishment during IETF LC.

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----==_mimepart_5f8f1139252d7_4a19b4188343-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 09:33:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C8D83A0B08 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xm-etKcKD7Ir for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CD203A0ADF for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fe36cb7.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9C63BE1E10 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:33:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603211634; bh=0R+LPlgeKAYHbE02yCdwdagvGEfIVLYNiFcLoYZojnI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wvBmcwkh/RRH+UU+6dfIQFdc4n7XF5jJLgJmLrbVsPKRHjbxBlZ2l5llQh9xS0PoS oYPEF+cZPhIG55F4bYrnf39UurJH3e+l6M9BrCvQ2WciSk2gzAZfxrMWhJAAkVNiDO 8Uvnbe6+bTIZtBEmhviLrgUKWDDHStjAd+NTFGKE= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:33:54 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK-18: Appendix B and Decoder confirming inserts (#4245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f117298443_5519b467434"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 16:33:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f117298443_5519b467434 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gloinul are we ok on this one now? We'd like to merge the PR and close this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245#issuecomment-712989067 ----==_mimepart_5f8f117298443_5519b467434 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gloinul are we ok on this one now? We'd like to merge the PR and close this.

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@afrind & @MikeBishop: if there is no reply from @gloinul in the next hour or so (it's evening in Europe) let's please merge the PR and assume the issue is resolved.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll merge as is without any changes to B5. The text doesn't mention the decoder at all so I think it's clear enough as is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4245#issuecomment-713041155 ----==_mimepart_5f8f271d14a65_5019b4276576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'll merge as is without any changes to B5. The text doesn't mention the decoder at all so I think it's clear enough as is.

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When I drafted the example, I probably just missed it, but it seems like a good opportunity to explore the case where the encoder stream data is delayed. 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 20 12:07:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FAF3A1301 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4hX5oVdoCabn for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 339483A0A7B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4d520af.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.111.21]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 404D352159D for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:07:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603220832; bh=52wfvvMPm6cUWYUy+CS3Cn8D6aYuzoO+e3muwlRrJFs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HXjVOYTXSt+c7OzIgMAJMl7uaUXEsnrOsNLKRx95C/xFJsqZzPTuaKMwOStg1leOL NbaSxCnh3OqBcCLhCN+F9Ycgiz7Ax3A8VmTqLD4q774Ls4VbvZzWnNuu891bRfCoXm KQjx+LBYaq9f09BILMuoka6nZfyZKYbySSieoqhU= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:07:12 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f35603a33a_6c919b42199c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:07:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f35603a33a_6c919b42199c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone restate the "emerging consensus" ? I am reading the thread, and under the impression that the consensus is "PR #4188 is sufficient". Is that the actual emerging consensus? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-713076969 ----==_mimepart_5f8f35603a33a_6c919b42199c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Could someone restate the "emerging consensus" ? I am reading the thread, and under the impression that the consensus is "PR #4188 is sufficient". Is that the actual emerging consensus?

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----==_mimepart_5f8f35603a33a_6c919b42199c6-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 12:12:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1323A1302 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eTenv-ioSF0w for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF64E3A1301 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c852d80.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.111.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DF93C6007A9 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603221162; bh=HVadWdRAOrLE7War/Aw+4+2vIL36DA8EARR+er0I+7w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hQil/bu92iNc9C3BOFzfHuYqihT+mbcYjuO4sLaYf6Lk1MPzsL5BLjk/VXXf6kWW0 2IP51SNLMC8dTzol+p1kz1IKRX95+qffiWUlP0flwhL9ZH2yeInLwG4TTLdB1XmkUX AJW0iOSRKaq4gefho7JUqNEpDu7KnIHIjPJER/Fg= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:12:42 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f36aadb607_5319b4455c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:12:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f36aadb607_5319b4455c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes @huitema, that is the emerging consensus. I wrote #4252 to document a potentially non-obvious effect of not padding ACK only packets, but it doesn't seem like people think that's necessary, so I should probably just close it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4183#issuecomment-713079861 ----==_mimepart_5f8f36aadb607_5319b4455c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes @huitema, that is the emerging consensus.

I wrote #4252 to document a potentially non-obvious effect of not padding ACK only packets, but it doesn't seem like people think that's necessary, so I should probably just close it.

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----==_mimepart_5f8f36aadb607_5319b4455c-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 12:24:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED393A132B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Emxre4QsRE3B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EC823A1327 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-12bcab0.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.121.41]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3FE64902754 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:24:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603221858; bh=ZrQIOhcVmoq0HafpPtu+7pk+maoU85VwtYgP1qEUpSY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1E3nx4ZDep2Iw0sPO893Czlv6EVBpdJe+cD1hg70Bwb/6LGIPtHruH8Nq2LbjQIkd 44Kdra/uduf1gwbSpH1xMBcxvOtnVkyO67Tnm43rGr8A1CTtn03zKqUDJ9dC2sAZUJ q4/dBS5iblFbsfJtP7wWugeNxQBI0GjONw9ulMSo= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:24:18 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad path validation in both directions (#4241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f39623c664_4d19b4121045"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:24:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f39623c664_4d19b4121045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The proposed PR bakes the assumption that paths should be symmetric. This might be an OK restriction for V1, but I hate seeing that baked in the code. There are several scenarios in which data can be send one way on a broadcast channel (e.g., satellite or DVB), while the other way is through a slower but symmetric channel. Supporting asymmetry requires testing each direction. The server, instead of changing the address at which it sends merely because it received data from the client on that new path, should perform its own Challenge/Response to validate the path. Since challenges have to be padded, this tests both continuity and MTU. The server learns that a path may exist by receiving packets on it; it only uses that path for sending if the path is validated. I guess this is something we will need to revisit as part of support for multipath. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241#issuecomment-713086130 ----==_mimepart_5f8f39623c664_4d19b4121045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The proposed PR bakes the assumption that paths should be symmetric. This might be an OK restriction for V1, but I hate seeing that baked in the code. There are several scenarios in which data can be send one way on a broadcast channel (e.g., satellite or DVB), while the other way is through a slower but symmetric channel.

Supporting asymmetry requires testing each direction. The server, instead of changing the address at which it sends merely because it received data from the client on that new path, should perform its own Challenge/Response to validate the path. Since challenges have to be padded, this tests both continuity and MTU. The server learns that a path may exist by receiving packets on it; it only uses that path for sending if the path is validated.

I guess this is something we will need to revisit as part of support for multipath.

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@huitema : It does not assume path symmetry, it tests for our MTU requirement for QUIC of 1200 bytes (https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-14-4).

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@huitema I agree with your concerns, which is why I asked for SHOULDs instead of MUST, but there may be other ways forward as well.

That being said, the current proposal seems quite reliable, it's just not very flexible.

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----==_mimepart_5f8f3b15c6da1_4919b41199b3-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 12:31:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAF53A1371 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KngxCIcBxCju for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 515EA3A13A3 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f674994.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.122.35]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9D826600E8B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:31:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603222304; bh=lQAIezhzuxS/Be84MriWop5CRV8Y6AAbgLB/OCpkqMo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rLJ6MahyVnT8Vw+evloupDo3mF9JOD6zj36hguA2LsdTZHWIJVdpQ4Hu8oQ4f3FdT hA626TqZ8G0hQKN7iMy5dSY+aG+qEeVvC1OzVDnv4ppOF47h5QJ6o+BFHoU0ccqICz JgW8QGMiDZHoC9GBuH9xiNPGCm6Dwyo5kEvpM4xo= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:31:44 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad path validation in both directions (#4241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f3b2099ae3_3b19b48919e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:31:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f3b2099ae3_3b19b48919e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar By symmetry, I mean the assumption that the pair of source and destination addresses and ports used by the server is exactly the symmetric of the pair used by the client. This is not a completely natural assumption in QUIC, because peers are able to process packets received from any address and port, as long as the crypto works out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241#issuecomment-713089937 ----==_mimepart_5f8f3b2099ae3_3b19b48919e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar By symmetry, I mean the assumption that the pair of source and destination addresses and ports used by the server is exactly the symmetric of the pair used by the client. This is not a completely natural assumption in QUIC, because peers are able to process packets received from any address and port, as long as the crypto works out.

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----==_mimepart_5f8f3ca22f048_5e19b4137289-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 12:44:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3B03A1049 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hQVWUo7nLau9 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1FAB3A102C for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d84fe50.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.105.69]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B3A08840623 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:44:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603223050; bh=6vRogeqoJmX3iEOA/jkQy9ENkN/Wo6Quelfta5qYlBk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QVwkOjzuArpkMZgNVj5kC4NdMdqBMYYQufGhY8QjNHysSk5s0gvLL44JEJewB+Vq2 B0HodoYdAtrHu4KUQzKIkl8+ZgKN9W4k81j3htuQiPuWwjiq4eW3BY73Rj5xH0oGiq jHHhK9NRXQnT3dVGeYkW9z0oEJEmti5uKOBBWxHY= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:44:10 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pad path validation in both directions (#4241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f3e0aaee13_aa819b4329aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:44:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f3e0aaee13_aa819b4329aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema -- ah, ok, I follow. Yes, this is definitely limited to the scope of problem that we have right now. As you say, we might need to revisit this if we are to add use cases that we haven't yet considered. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4241#issuecomment-713096347 ----==_mimepart_5f8f3e0aaee13_aa819b4329aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema -- ah, ok, I follow. Yes, this is definitely limited to the scope of problem that we have right now. As you say, we might need to revisit this if we are to add use cases that we haven't yet considered.

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@larseggert @LPardue: Merging this, since the plan is to do consensus as part of LC.

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----==_mimepart_5f8f44e799207_3919b4994ec-- From nobody Tue Oct 20 13:13:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC82B3A135A for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uWmotN71ijZq for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D10A3A1353 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-83aef73.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.113.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76DF1520D4A for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603224812; bh=QGueSgesW1Nvs9Y4CCvUsp2ropsUDFC3+QNn5J7UazA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=M7OKh3JB1P9wU2t2PQsGSOEyCF0zKop+HopD5QwNHdA280Few0gF9jFxBB/UpW9PL dmhLtZN+ejmIdfWB0rwRc/TkeSHR0iObeCE2d33R9AvBGfNoZ+ZGqCS4cgLypUSbUU 205gHz3MF0bJF4XtHFuZVD+Z7PT726PJiqXQyyg8= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:13:32 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] c904da: Pad when validating addresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:13:35 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c904daf2c14d46638e1ea0669fbb821cedac0132 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c904daf2c14d46638e1ea0669fbb821cedac0132 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Pad when validating addresses This isn't obvious, but if you are validating an address, you are also validating the path to that address. If you don't pad these packets, then you don't know that the path supports a reasonable PMTU. Require padding of datagrams that carry packets that carry PATH_CHALLENGE. This neatly solves the problem. Closes #4216. Commit: d21c32b5c77bf303553a0c2aa6c55ae56b8bb6d0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d21c32b5c77bf303553a0c2aa6c55ae56b8bb6d0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A big caveat Commit: 2686b0aeb0cf854f7f3664c0cf5940bc5e5a47b2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2686b0aeb0cf854f7f3664c0cf5940bc5e5a47b2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Datagrams, not packets Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: b9bfce85e043a3ca7de712433415acb8eaf71d9f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b9bfce85e043a3ca7de712433415acb8eaf71d9f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-16 (Fri, 16 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Revert automated formatting of tables, wrap Visual Studio code might need to be fired, though it's possible that this change is a good one. Commit: b3ce9e647ba7e0344f852662c200c161a5030537 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b3ce9e647ba7e0344f852662c200c161a5030537 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Pad PATH_RESPONSE too Commit: 663465c6c3679870ac476964ce79adbdd7a73d08 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/663465c6c3679870ac476964ce79adbdd7a73d08 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaks Co-authored-by: ianswett Commit: 80cbb76dcb5f1873a00047ed147282682ab53df3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80cbb76dcb5f1873a00047ed147282682ab53df3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Wrap; make the other a SHOULD too Commit: abde090670ad22def944702d63ecde09600bd88b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abde090670ad22def944702d63ecde09600bd88b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Peer path validation... Commit: 1e95cb2f928835f5f932ea3ebdce2784a9b1fd0c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e95cb2f928835f5f932ea3ebdce2784a9b1fd0c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: 739a6cc60f2dda200181be8383691f21f0e9868e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/739a6cc60f2dda200181be8383691f21f0e9868e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4241 from quicwg/pad-path-validation Pad path validation in both directions Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8a665eb37d89...739a6cc60f2d From nobody Tue Oct 20 13:13:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24D33A1353 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 20 13:27:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256273A1387 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PmddJ3HcuuTf for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AB603A137B for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-5c532aa.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.110.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4A8945C0E91 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603225659; bh=ROxLwO1n4kTSK0LJXchrnUQ9sjqshPYPUZUpOgKH4xc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oECKJ1wRBzTrzJXY1QzWqANeI6efCbExk43dgKdv9YJQvfy2J4sJNrPH57vzt1WUH KiOrrQH1XLvjUOwziGNzSnpiH7RStMn9tcXaNYG8gt+vQyn9j4hYaKDa5tW4gwmc4A PW7sdl2X8+e73voMBevUmFjUB5o6J8khqifT8rzw= Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:39 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure (infinite ping-pong) when path MTU is asymmetric (#4183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f8f483b46c46_5919b4302c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:27:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f8f483b46c46_5919b4302c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We merged https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4188 and as per Lar's email on the list, we'll use IETF last call to judge things. 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We merged #4188 and as per Lar's email on the list, we'll use IETF last call to judge things. So I'm closing this.

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Closed #4183.

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Not a lot of interest in this, so closing.

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Closed #4252.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've implemented the new requirements to pad path challenges in MsQuic and I immediately startled hitting asserts in my code during automated testing because the server ended up trying to pad beyond the 3x amplification limit for the new path. What am I supposed to do here? Pad only up to the 3x limit? Wait until I have received enough on the path to be able to send a fully padded packet? Don't pad, but then track some state to additionally do PMTUD sometime later, after I've validated the source address? I might have missed it, but I think this scenario needs explicit text in the spec. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257 ----==_mimepart_5f9060cbcd6c0_3519b4485ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've implemented the new requirements to pad path challenges in MsQuic and I immediately startled hitting asserts in my code during automated testing because the server ended up trying to pad beyond the 3x amplification limit for the new path.

What am I supposed to do here? Pad only up to the 3x limit? Wait until I have received enough on the path to be able to send a fully padded packet? Don't pad, but then track some state to additionally do PMTUD sometime later, after I've validated the source address?

I might have missed it, but I think this scenario needs explicit text in the spec.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you walk through the scenario? The server observes a NAT rebinding or migration and decides that the new client address is not validated. It sends PATH_CHALLENGE and pads, but the packets it has received thus far are too small and therefore it immediately exceeds the 3x limit? This seems like it might be worth fixing. Like you, I don't have an easy answer. If the client probes the path, there is no issue. However, a small non-probing packet can happen and we need an answer for the server in that case. Curiously, you could send PATH_CHALLENGE in a small packet too, but not regard any response as path validation. The client should send PATH_RESPONSE padded and open up the server sending quota, allowing the server to properly probe. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Can you walk through the scenario? The server observes a NAT rebinding or migration and decides that the new client address is not validated. It sends PATH_CHALLENGE and pads, but the packets it has received thus far are too small and therefore it immediately exceeds the 3x limit?

This seems like it might be worth fixing. Like you, I don't have an easy answer. If the client probes the path, there is no issue. However, a small non-probing packet can happen and we need an answer for the server in that case.

Curiously, you could send PATH_CHALLENGE in a small packet too, but not regard any response as path validation. The client should send PATH_RESPONSE padded and open up the server sending quota, allowing the server to properly probe.

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----==_mimepart_5f909982e4806_a2419b466728-- From nobody Wed Oct 21 13:30:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55F73A03F2 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T7gMD7KngGax for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC9D53A03EC for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fd1b306.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.121.74]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DE042340AD8 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603312232; bh=NcwfEwGKjvCi6ofClWggWV7JoDM2M38O81/5FQw6pdQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nkJ5fLHyvpVFuKZch2Ww7OIfccKam530hZ/9v21PkqybHjnh3X6HFogagsLCvd2fB 1EeHD3iRgdgQ6rXAz/ynCqD6jvOmTUXlogjApq9+MIt0WqkfcumRsuPPAp4U7Xb18U fZJ7DJQYo7QFOq4Pa2WGyA+MiTFuD0INJwg3yWcw= Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:30:32 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path Challenge Padding and Amplification Protection (#4257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f909a68da10d_4219b4136556"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:30:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f909a68da10d_4219b4136556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The simplest scenario is NAT rebinding, and the first packet received on the path is small. Per-spec, we're still supposed to send a path challenge, and per my understanding, we're always supposed to pad those. One option, at least for this scenario would be to make an exception, with the assumption that rebinding shouldn't change the MTU. But I don't care for assumptions that could really bite you if you get it wrong. Additionally, it doesn't fix the bigger problem if it wasn't NAT rebinding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-713859637 ----==_mimepart_5f909a68da10d_4219b4136556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The simplest scenario is NAT rebinding, and the first packet received on the path is small. Per-spec, we're still supposed to send a path challenge, and per my understanding, we're always supposed to pad those.

One option, at least for this scenario would be to make an exception, with the assumption that rebinding shouldn't change the MTU. But I don't care for assumptions that could really bite you if you get it wrong. Additionally, it doesn't fix the bigger problem if it wasn't NAT rebinding.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The version negotiation packet is described in the QUIC Invariant specification as: ``` Version Negotiation Packet { Header Form (1) = 1, Unused (7), Version (32) = 0, Destination Connection ID Length (8), Destination Connection ID (0..2040), Source Connection ID Length (8), Source Connection ID (0..2040), Supported Version (32) ..., } ``` The two connection ID fields, of length up to 255 bytes, contain data directly copied from an incoming packet that is not authenticated or verified in any way. 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The version negotiation packet is described in the QUIC Invariant specification as:

Version Negotiation Packet {
  Header Form (1) = 1,
  Unused (7),
  Version (32) = 0,
  Destination Connection ID Length (8),
  Destination Connection ID (0..2040),
  Source Connection ID Length (8),
  Source Connection ID (0..2040),
  Supported Version (32) ...,
}

The two connection ID fields, of length up to 255 bytes, contain data directly copied from an incoming packet that is not authenticated or verified in any way. Aren't we worried that this is a great avenue for request forgery attacks? Should that be documented in the security section of the invariant draft?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To repeat what @martinthomson has said before, every time we change something, we introduce some issue. If a connection is immediately migrating prior to probing the new path with PATH_CHALLENGE, I believe it either means it's unintentional or the new path is the only one available. In either case, if the MTU is too small, you're sunk, so making an exception to padding for cases of immediate migration seems ok to me. The only cost is it may take a bit longer to realize the new path has a smaller MTU? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-713890927 ----==_mimepart_5f90a9a071400_4d919b4112854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To repeat what @martinthomson has said before, every time we change something, we introduce some issue.

If a connection is immediately migrating prior to probing the new path with PATH_CHALLENGE, I believe it either means it's unintentional or the new path is the only one available. In either case, if the MTU is too small, you're sunk, so making an exception to padding for cases of immediate migration seems ok to me. The only cost is it may take a bit longer to realize the new path has a smaller MTU?

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I might be dumb, but do we require amplification limit being applied to path challenges?

I am not sure if there's such a requirement. I do not think we have to have that.

Unlike a DDoS attack using Initial packets, an off-path attacker cannot mount a DDoS attack using spoofed packets; only an MOTS attacker can do that. I would also point out that because the server has state, it will rate-limit (or bail out from) the number of path challenges it sends.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The address validation section dives right into what a server needs to do to validate the client, but it doesn't really address the client needs. This is pretty simple: any valid packet from the server validates the server address via the client-chosen destination connection ID. We just need to write that down here (it might be elsewhere, I would need to check). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4259 ----==_mimepart_5f9100533f765_3619b4121e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The address validation section dives right into what a server needs to do to validate the client, but it doesn't really address the client needs. This is pretty simple: any valid packet from the server validates the server address via the client-chosen destination connection ID. We just need to write that down here (it might be elsewhere, I would need to check).

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----==_mimepart_5f9100533f765_3619b4121e1-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 01:35:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237D53A0FAD for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:35:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S1TO4tlg6NYi for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7534D3A0F7F for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-08c165e.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.119.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 92AC0E0760 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:35:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603355747; bh=i3CAxZLj+U6+m7/Of5bUC3XDk9Hoj/N9HySTcNqjDSE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WwHHUd/pFkZ3fA7NUQaKk+0vFg7IPdRBHDLy21ridRQ9W4SddMgtwic9Elod4JKdr AANySQwPFMXWpLCKM37RKNe1ZUZzmPcQ9ZxKhboCkN/s/zn+25T4lhk5PplG1bpTLk x8GMNq1dJNSjryzL9HyJ0JgCxbhMQJ2ampeq0zZs= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:35:47 -0700 From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path Challenge Padding and Amplification Protection (#4257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9144638f28e_3b19b41171a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9144638f28e_3b19b41171a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I understand the spec correctly, server enforces amplification protection before it receives first client Handshake packet. So the intended scenario is that server sends PATH_CHALLENGE in its 0.5 RTT flight. But do we need to send them? Because receiving client Handshake validates client address, server does not need to send PATH_CHALLENGE during handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-714329468 ----==_mimepart_5f9144638f28e_3b19b41171a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If I understand the spec correctly, server enforces amplification protection before it receives first client Handshake packet.
So the intended scenario is that server sends PATH_CHALLENGE in its 0.5 RTT flight. But do we need to send them? Because receiving client Handshake validates client address, server does not need to send PATH_CHALLENGE during handshake.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went back and looked at the specs, @kazuho you're right that we don't seems to require amplification protection in the spec explicitly for migration, but is that really correct? I figured it was an amplification attack vector just like the handshake (though a bit less impactful since you have to handshake first). Couldn't you connect to a server that has a larger initial window and then send a request for a large response, spoofing the target IP address? Rinse and repeat? If we really don't need to have amplification protection for migration, then I'm fine to close this issue (and go remove some code). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-714575859 ----==_mimepart_5f91a60a2fb84_4019b4189354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I went back and looked at the specs, @kazuho you're right that we don't seems to require amplification protection in the spec explicitly for migration, but is that really correct? I figured it was an amplification attack vector just like the handshake (though a bit less impactful since you have to handshake first). Couldn't you connect to a server that has a larger initial window and then send a request for a large response, spoofing the target IP address? Rinse and repeat?

If we really don't need to have amplification protection for migration, then I'm fine to close this issue (and go remove some code).

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to indicate the presence of TLS as optional, especially for public / relay broadcast devices which do not require privacy as much as they could use lower power. Plus, there must be a way to let QUIC use an alternative as opposed to TLS, where need be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260 ----==_mimepart_5f91df7df0142_3c19b41683a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I want to indicate the presence of TLS as optional, especially for public / relay broadcast devices which do not require privacy as much as they could use lower power. Plus, there must be a way to let QUIC use an alternative as opposed to TLS, where need be.

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Closed #4260.

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----==_mimepart_5f91e0f2473fe_5719b41614a5-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 12:43:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A489F3A0B5D for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYpzPwXLQCc9 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFE873A0B36 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a4088be.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.53]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 221D7840F16 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:43:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603395826; bh=Q5M1u9wTZsZHa78Kk7xJ/W8kdOp+Ye0rz2uT+bJkk50=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OMc3z0FVudns5C30HHBfXH2g7y2S1R80z9+kbDfWkwaLoldWdluvDPxCH4iLxyXLk hWpEaNqnkZbPsl+cp0+AwirTS0mWtTukuB5MOxiZRvA/4GQ0yHfnWbpbbkzt+PhSL8 oYz0Rv+OvcWN9ZDSLbcBX+8isoyQnEDXrB4zw0jc= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:43:46 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make TLS Optional (#4260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f91e0f21e6d5_5619b4194787"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:43:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f91e0f21e6d5_5619b4194787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The QUIC working group is [chartered](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/about/) to specify an always-encrypted protocol, and TLS1.3 is our default way to do so. There has been research work on replacing the TLS handshake with something else, but no standards work is chartered on that at the moment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260#issuecomment-714720108 ----==_mimepart_5f91e0f21e6d5_5619b4194787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The QUIC working group is chartered to specify an always-encrypted protocol, and TLS1.3 is our default way to do so. There has been research work on replacing the TLS handshake with something else, but no standards work is chartered on that at the moment.

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----==_mimepart_5f91e0f21e6d5_5619b4194787-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 12:46:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7416E3A0B95 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:46:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CDt6FI0CLi5Z for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20BFF3A0B91 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c74d783.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.50]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6892E5C074B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:46:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603396014; bh=J4lKwVZTe4jyMsDV+Rob7fWEDB47FtFwgXUmKOpZOkA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Slt6FGrMht2nZv0qa/A7xgRxzn6/e44NhWRCJx9IOTRRK5TOLGQmeVDNFbaVebiLj NfXXZiPa+S82a3ZSP4y+/JbCYYySQ0b2RkXa9BtykUgEv2AUvqRPx4v1Sl1q8vy/Op AVuNpySyW647ReUZrEseOh+CXFRAolBadQGOjFxk= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:46:54 -0700 From: Karthik Kumar Viswanathan Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make TLS Optional (#4260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f91e1ae65a9d_5319b42367e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: guilt X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:46:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f91e1ae65a9d_5319b42367e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why are you people asking for suggestions to the WG filed as issues if you are not open to the simplest possible way to implement UDP based transport? This is being asked for the IETF formalization and QUIC has, IMO, a real issue. Stop closing tickets without addressing why we need this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260#issuecomment-714721700 ----==_mimepart_5f91e1ae65a9d_5319b42367e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why are you people asking for suggestions to the WG filed as issues if you are not open to the simplest possible way to implement UDP based transport?

This is being asked for the IETF formalization and QUIC has, IMO, a real issue. Stop closing tickets without addressing why we need this.

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----==_mimepart_5f91e1ae65a9d_5319b42367e9-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 12:49:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1B13A0BA1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Db1kcl5x_yp for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7944E3A0BA3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-48ab108.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.14]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF60B600F1B for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:49:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603396172; bh=COhMLMVm8zVmGD+76s7oCEL2K/rd+OwT7vhQxTQmbDM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bO7/NNkMvGPsTwok3d/AaDM4pEF+HR2Z/AQwGG+xRyTfX2IGe5RJHJ79/fopbx2S4 kUaVWENDdzL42O7Pg/eSxhlswyjahkXP0fuKQQ5uLfTfLfJEKVY/geTR0fp8SfmsdS QlxzBFxAagyGe5MJrnssHX8ddEEj9fSOAM+WI3vU= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:49:32 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make TLS Optional (#4260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f91e24cabdd8_4e19b42397df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 19:49:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f91e24cabdd8_4e19b42397df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The working group **cannot** do standards work outside its charter. You are welcome and start a discussion on the mailing list on a potential recharter effort; a GitHub issue is not the place for this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260#issuecomment-714723015 ----==_mimepart_5f91e24cabdd8_4e19b42397df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The working group cannot do standards work outside its charter. You are welcome and start a discussion on the mailing list on a potential recharter effort; a GitHub issue is not the place for this.

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----==_mimepart_5f91e24cabdd8_4e19b42397df-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 13:44:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BD33A0FD3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cTujiCtCspk1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13F533A0FD0 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a87f560.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E396F5E0E7D for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603399476; bh=Kokc8Q12znzVI7XTX7jgA3kzvT5ybm4uupelZZEtm9g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cem/g7ACmBqh30qN/89kIJtRbJ3zWfz+YpQvsBXF/ThQyYYNZJn6RV1fTfg/Dxro/ gCcE3ROD/fY+54zOQT2KqSZDU52QJVq6i6QEI6eZWboGi4LjcUkZ2vwpbjViPhmc2k 0UYi7CUySVQ/vE3RUff92I1VVlsKlciUUBsIcAf0= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:44:36 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make TLS Optional (#4260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f91ef34def3b_a2c19b4259b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:44:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f91ef34def3b_a2c19b4259b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @guilt The first 6 documents forming the core of QUIC and HTTP/3 are in IETF last call. This is near at the end of the publication process. The WG has done its work and designed a protocol and written its specification and thinks it is ready for publication. So the IETF last call is to determine the IETF consensus to publish the written specification and identify any remaining issues and determine if they required to be addressed now or not. As @larseggert said what you are proposing are outside of the charter. Yes, future versions of QUIC can be defined. But such work in IETF will require new chartering and establishment of sufficient interest in doing that standardization work. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260#issuecomment-714751171 ----==_mimepart_5f91ef34def3b_a2c19b4259b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@guilt The first 6 documents forming the core of QUIC and HTTP/3 are in IETF last call. This is near at the end of the publication process. The WG has done its work and designed a protocol and written its specification and thinks it is ready for publication. So the IETF last call is to determine the IETF consensus to publish the written specification and identify any remaining issues and determine if they required to be addressed now or not.

As @larseggert said what you are proposing are outside of the charter. Yes, future versions of QUIC can be defined. But such work in IETF will require new chartering and establishment of sufficient interest in doing that standardization work.

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----==_mimepart_5f91ef34def3b_a2c19b4259b-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 13:58:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0E93A1019 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:58:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMVBMhcowRkJ for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A78713A1018 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-df986b3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A27E5840073 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:58:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603400288; bh=oPWcSWfXkGVqBvkVfN4OJxu6RjN9wwjXCAGZ2afDuj4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w4pVjqh4Xj6UgLmZ2EPDnmW+v7IVdm3RKplIzcU0uSMxPIRzcr2UPLirTrWRUteO0 xhwD7c+dmmrRXMqK81SZ6xXPI8LZq7jrnQqa6MJ6SR7KdTMaQAl9EfE6G9jAPFmmTA JJTcXJeHoLhwVEfBbxnG3m0zmV1VGpMv0XO0kJko= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:58:08 -0700 From: Karthik Kumar Viswanathan Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make TLS Optional (#4260) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f91f2609e943_5419b47868b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: guilt X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:58:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f91f2609e943_5419b47868b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gloinul @larseggert Thank you for that explanation, I didn't realize that this was off the charter. However, I found that this was the only thing that could require worthwhile investigation. I always thought TLS was backported IMO based on its mandation in HTTP/2, and before the finalization, felt Quic could fix that problem by making sure the transport isn't enforced. I knew some people who had configured TLS_NULL_WITH_NULL_NULL to get around some of these issues and I didn't want things like that to get repeated, hence wanted a clear inversion of control: either always encrypted (privacy) or free (replay and stream broadcast) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260#issuecomment-714758052 ----==_mimepart_5f91f2609e943_5419b47868b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gloinul @larseggert Thank you for that explanation, I didn't realize that this was off the charter. However, I found that this was the only thing that could require worthwhile investigation.

I always thought TLS was backported IMO based on its mandation in HTTP/2, and before the finalization, felt Quic could fix that problem by making sure the transport isn't enforced. I knew some people who had configured TLS_NULL_WITH_NULL_NULL to get around some of these issues and I didn't want things like that to get repeated, hence wanted a clear inversion of control: either always encrypted (privacy) or free (replay and stream broadcast)

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Karthik,=0D =0D The history is somewhat different, and you may find it useful to refer to= =0D some of the original design rational:=0D https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRF= UoVD34/edit=0D . As it notes, one of the key desires was to encrypt as much as possible= :=0D =0D Experience with SPDY development has taught us that the only way to preve= nt=0D > middleboxes from maligning a new protocol built atop UDP or TCP (e.g.,=0D= > misconstruing it for a =E2=80=9Cknown=E2=80=9D protocol, and making =E2= =80=9Cless than helpful=E2=80=9D=0D > changes), is to encrypt as much of the payload and control structure as= =0D > feasible.=0D >=0D =0D So the choice not to provide an unencrypted variant goes back quite a lon= g=0D way and was justified by arguments for privacy, data integrity, *and a=0D= desire to avoid network-hosted middleboxes attempting to adjust the=0D protocol state machine*.=0D =0D regards,=0D =0D Ted Hardie=0D =0D On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:58 PM Karthik Kumar Viswanathan <=0D notifications@github.com> wrote:=0D =0D > @gloinul @larseggert=0D > Thank you for that explanation, I didn'= t=0D > realize that this was off the charter. 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I knew some people who had configure= d=0D > TLS_NULL_WITH_NULL_NULL to get around some of these issues and I didn't= =0D > want things like that to get repeated, hence wanted a clear inversion o= f=0D > control: either always encrypted (privacy) or free (replay and stream=0D= > broadcast)=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or unsubscribe=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4260#issuecomment-714771584= ----==_mimepart_5f91f910ef504_4a19b42280b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=0D Hi Karthik,
=0D
=0D The history is somewhat different, and you may find it useful to refer to=
=0D some of the original design rational:
=0D https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RNHkx_VvKWyWg6Lr8SZ-saqsQx7rFV-ev2jRF= UoVD34/edit
=0D . As it notes, one of the key desires was to encrypt as much as possible= :
=0D
=0D Experience with SPDY development has taught us that the only way to preve= nt
=0D > middleboxes from maligning a new protocol built atop UDP or TCP (e.g= .,
=0D > misconstruing it for a =E2=80=9Cknown=E2=80=9D protocol, and making = =E2=80=9Cless than helpful=E2=80=9D
=0D > changes), is to encrypt as much of the payload and control structure= as
=0D > feasible.
=0D >
=0D
=0D So the choice not to provide an unencrypted variant goes back quite a lon= g
=0D way and was justified by arguments for privacy, data integrity, *and a=0D desire to avoid network-hosted middleboxes attempting to adjust the
=0D= protocol state machine*.
=0D
=0D regards,
=0D
=0D Ted Hardie
=0D
=0D On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:58 PM Karthik Kumar Viswanathan <
=0D notifications@github.com> wrote:
=0D
=0D > @gloinul <https://github.com/gloinul> @larseggert
=0D > <https://github.com/larseggert> Thank you for that explanation= , I didn't
=0D > realize that this was off the charter. However, I found that this wa= s the
=0D > only thing that could require worthwhile investigation.
=0D >
=0D > I always thought TLS was backported IMO based on its mandation in HT= TP/2,
=0D > and before the finalization, felt Quic could fix that problem by mak= ing
=0D > sure the transport isn't enforced. I knew some people who had co= nfigured
=0D > TLS_NULL_WITH_NULL_NULL to get around some of these issues and I did= n't
=0D > want things like that to get repeated, hence wanted a clear inversio= n of
=0D > control: either always encrypted (privacy) or free (replay and strea= m
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=0D >
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Hmm, @kazuho is right, I can't find any restriction on use of paths after migration. Our limits for anti-amplification are specifically: handshake, closing, and stateless reset. No other mention exists.

That doesn't mean that Nick is wrong to have this code though. Without limits, an attacker could connect to a server then spoof a bunch of small packets to cause an amplification attack toward a chosen target.

We can turn that into a low-grade amplification attack if we allow probes to be exempt from that limit. It's low-grade then for several reasons. It is stateful at the server and the connection establishment is expensive. A single connection can be used to attack multiple targets, but a server won't send many packets to each. In my half-written migration code, this results in just three packets, which isn't that useful.

After digging in more here, I think that we can make two changes, one the direct response to this issue, but the first is in response to the unstated issue that we don't have anti-amplification protection for migration.

  1. Add the 3x rule for any unvalidated path.

  2. Allow path probes to ignore the 3x rule.

The alternative is to leave this alone and focus on clarification. We have a requirement that the server reduce its congestion window, so the concrete amount of amplification that can be gained without the 3x rule being in place is not that much relative to the cost of setting up the attack.

I'm ambivalent on this. I can see the appeal of the principled fix, but getting it right could be tricky.

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----==_mimepart_5f91f98461797_5019b477526-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 14:50:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0AF3A1106 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:50:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Udam_eam4gnl for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7C303A1105 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d10fef6.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.110.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id ECB8D560055 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:50:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603403427; bh=ka5DqRgl/JUbeTAh3hhnVXOu6yre+BY8PY9TLz2LX6Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZTcTdZRhDa7FDKNKzG0QHOVIWVlecoi1jAV3MeXWTtLBEdSHObKvpp3gJ0EssKKXE Q7C4qhSFayytzvaxhB2ISbFyn5xBTDTyjaEvV+ebQDLUcwurqW7K70S3rMIOTaZTGs 8NLcd3IqXdhSqUloFGJt4rxwXO0W8v7dO6eEFYOI= Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:50:27 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path Challenge Padding and Amplification Protection (#4257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f91fea3e94cd_4f19b41055d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:50:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f91fea3e94cd_4f19b41055d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think leaving this alone and focus on clarification SGTM. Amplification limits are tricky, as evidenced by the repeated tweaks we've needed to enforce the 3x limit during the handshake, so adding one at this stage sounds risky. Given there is some 'protection' by requiring the handshake to complete prior to migration, I think this protection is sufficient as long as one can't repeatedly abuse migration by immediately migrating over and over. I'm not sure if the existing text provides enough protection or not from that situation or not? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-714782326 ----==_mimepart_5f91fea3e94cd_4f19b41055d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think leaving this alone and focus on clarification SGTM.

Amplification limits are tricky, as evidenced by the repeated tweaks we've needed to enforce the 3x limit during the handshake, so adding one at this stage sounds risky.

Given there is some 'protection' by requiring the handshake to complete prior to migration, I think this protection is sufficient as long as one can't repeatedly abuse migration by immediately migrating over and over. I'm not sure if the existing text provides enough protection or not from that situation or not?

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Hi Ted,

Thank you for the explanation. I just felt that the points on having middle systems and proxies currently exists today, with edge devices, CDNs, layer 7bload balancer and reverse proxies, and only ends up adding a layer of encryption and decryption at each step. While this is perfect for secrecy, it fails to account for the I numerous websites powering our internet, which are not single monolithic systems by themselves.

Besides, TLS itself relying on trusting the certificates of many providers including the government and some ISPs still makes it easier for a rogue actor to snoop on one's privacy today.

The other factors to ideally consider would be the time needed to recieve multiple wireless packets over the wire and enable decryption them, preferably with quantum resistant curve algorithms (or some such) which only amplifies the amount of money thrown at the problem, not necessarily enabling more people to use this otherwise well engineered protocol.

Hence I made the suggestion was to make it optional, and that the people who will perform the complete deployment of a system may choose the right points to enable the usage of such privacy, as need rises.

I know this wasn't the original design goal, hence I request the folks to consider,possibly for the future, having a way to define this mechanism in the wire.

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I think that there is an existing MUST regarding this problem. It states that until a peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it sends data to this address. The endpoint MUST NOT send more than a minimum congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow) (section 9.3.1; transport draft).

So to answer to @nibanks, current limit is not INITCWND, but 2 MTU.

I think that this limit might be a bit on the loose side, but I wonder if there is a need to change.

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Thanks for finding that kMinimumWindow thing @kazuho, that makes me much happier. Relative to the cost of mounting the attack, I don't expect an attacker to find that attractive.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, so were saying that instead of the 3x limit, we're going to use 2 MTU per Initial RTT (path challenges aren't retransmitted on loss, right?)? I'm just trying to reason about how I should update my logic. It used to be: ```c void OnPathDataReceived(path, length) { if (!path->Valid) { path->allowance += 3 * length; TrySendPathChallenge(path) } } ``` Now, it should be something like this? ```c void OnPathDataReceived(path, length) { if (!path->Valid) { if (!path->HasSentChallenge || path->TimeSinceLastChallengeReset() > INIT_RTT) { path->allowance += 2 * MTU; path->lastChallengeReset = now() } TrySendPathChallenge(path) } } ``` And, just so my understanding is clear, if I receive a minimum size packet (10ish byte UDP payload?) from an unvalidated path on average 1/2 x INIT_RTT, then I will be amplifying that traffic by ~100x, right? And a man-on-the-side attacker could just take every small packet destined to my server that it sees, and race a copy, with changed source address to some target address, and I'd start doing this amplification for all those connections' packets? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-716198478 ----==_mimepart_5f95d1482a9ed_23b419b417634d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ok, so were saying that instead of the 3x limit, we're going to use 2 MTU per Initial RTT (path challenges aren't retransmitted on loss, right?)? I'm just trying to reason about how I should update my logic. It used to be:

void OnPathDataReceived(path, length) {
  if (!path->Valid) {
    path->allowance += 3 * length;
    TrySendPathChallenge(path)
  }
}

Now, it should be something like this?

void OnPathDataReceived(path, length) {
  if (!path->Valid) {
    if (!path->HasSentChallenge || path->TimeSinceLastChallengeReset() > INIT_RTT) {
      path->allowance += 2 * MTU;
      path->lastChallengeReset = now()
    }
    TrySendPathChallenge(path)
  }
}

And, just so my understanding is clear, if I receive a minimum size packet (10ish byte UDP payload?) from an unvalidated path on average 1/2 x INIT_RTT, then I will be amplifying that traffic by ~100x, right?

And a man-on-the-side attacker could just take every small packet destined to my server that it sees, and race a copy, with changed source address to some target address, and I'd start doing this amplification for all those connections' packets?

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And, just so my understanding is clear, if I receive a minimum size packet (10ish byte UDP payload?) from an unvalidated path on average 1/2 x INIT_RTT, then I will be amplifying that traffic by ~100x, right?

For one unvalidated path, an endpoint would send no more than 2 MTU worth of data per every Initial RTT (333ms). Therefore, while the amplification factor will be large, the amount of traffic being sent is going to be small.

For all the unvalidated paths from which an endpoint might receive data, the upper bound would be 2 MTU multiplied by the number of paths that an endpoint can validate concurrently. From what I understand, each path validation attempt is abandoned by a timeout, that is greater than 2 seconds (section 8.2.4).

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Ok. I did some excel math to get a more accurate number, and it seems at least for IPv4, the amplification ratio is closer to 25x. To make use of this though, as you indicated Kazuho, the attacker would be limited by the 2 MTU, per unvalidated path.

Assuming a server tracks only 4 paths max, per connection, and an attacker opens 1000 connections to the server and uses them as an amplification vector, the attacker can send packets at less than 10Mbps to get almost 250 Mbps send to the target. Do this with a couple different servers (which ever you find to track the most parallel paths) and I'd say you have a pretty good attack vehicle.

And as I mentioned above, a MoTS can copy/modify/race valid connection traffic to achieve similar results.

Obviously getting a connection to the handshake confirmed state before it can be used as an amplification vector is a hurdle, but I wouldn't say it a very large one. The attacker can open connection to many different servers to mask it's attack origin somewhat. IMO this still seem like a very valid threat we at the very least should mention in the spec, if not actually fix.

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----==_mimepart_5f9612633e836_7a3519b4568552-- From nobody Sun Oct 25 21:30:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9993A18A9 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:30:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAwGD_omqkME for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 691323A18A8 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-608a11c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.118.71]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF70CE0D7C for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:30:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603686655; bh=QyUBfVX0qlJWGCoO8IcGlRF0FwxhZT2NjanT69Ga2O8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bkNML1+xsH5xJjbGlcJKAMBrNt0wwFOjbJx9qn0ySUmp+JF9o1VQMiFHVLIREzBQR CZ8IMWXpUQBHY6UJPOu5HaS6hFw4K2dv/pJJ1hfANTxMRR362n4yTbUEgUWOpu1Dae K70UQJ5P7n+NmpwJfz/GmfKkVpaMV+M+PMOHzRtc= Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:30:55 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path Challenge Padding and Amplification Protection (#4257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9650ffab8c5_5fb319b4310577"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 04:30:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9650ffab8c5_5fb319b4310577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that I'd like to see the working for that, because I have a larger number, depending on how many probes are involved (at 3 probes per path, the number is 160-ish for a server that uses one byte connection IDs, or 42 for a more reasonable 8 byte CID), at last for those few paths that a server might choose to validate. That is, if you take the handshake cost out, which is fair if you consider them amortized, but a server will only probe so many paths. If you take the handshake into account and leave aside the possibility that you can amortize the handshake costs across attacks on different servers, then you get a lower value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-716296660 ----==_mimepart_5f9650ffab8c5_5fb319b4310577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that I'd like to see the working for that, because I have a larger number, depending on how many probes are involved (at 3 probes per path, the number is 160-ish for a server that uses one byte connection IDs, or 42 for a more reasonable 8 byte CID), at last for those few paths that a server might choose to validate.

That is, if you take the handshake cost out, which is fair if you consider them amortized, but a server will only probe so many paths.

If you take the handshake into account and leave aside the possibility that you can amortize the handshake costs across attacks on different servers, then you get a lower value.

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----==_mimepart_5f9650ffab8c5_5fb319b4310577-- From nobody Mon Oct 26 08:42:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C9C3A0C88 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7qTUptM7XQSB for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1A3E3A0A4E for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c191835.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.103.46]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 233CB5C05FE for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603726941; bh=cBzkDHKNLxK83O+dCt3Go6JGslIfBz+sWqZVuZFr6cw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g36IAQmDwaJc+Mvs5s/yDZRbxPo4WPV0rzwNcde0w+WgnSCFUqdJZW2p5UqKg6OS7 Fgc/YSQA+CH+eIKgKqcpTuBFbQrzKmUBSJ4CXFkCIJysjko91DBCKV8Ij/rjtFf2nn ODxGnUbc7vxmehFELFdbhyjwv/3s0d/t136J1tS4= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:42:21 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path Challenge Padding and Amplification Protection (#4257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f96ee5d1fbd1_4319b41905e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:42:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f96ee5d1fbd1_4319b41905e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My math: - Assuming outgoing packets are 1 to 1 with incoming, that gives us a limit of 6 packets per second, per path - Estimated the incoming UDP payload size to be 20 bytes - The outgoing UDP payload size will be 1200 bytes `Incoming Rate = (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 20) * 6 PKTS/SEC * PATHS_PER_CONN * CONNS` `Outgoing Rate = (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 1200) * 6 PKTS/SEC * PATHS_PER_CONN * CONNS` The amplification ratio is `(IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 1200) / (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 20)`, which is `1228 / 48 = 25.58333`. For incoming size of 28 bytes (8 byte CID) the number comes down to `21.93`. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-716633217 ----==_mimepart_5f96ee5d1fbd1_4319b41905e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My math:

  • Assuming outgoing packets are 1 to 1 with incoming, that gives us a limit of 6 packets per second, per path
  • Estimated the incoming UDP payload size to be 20 bytes
  • The outgoing UDP payload size will be 1200 bytes

Incoming Rate = (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 20) * 6 PKTS/SEC * PATHS_PER_CONN * CONNS
Outgoing Rate = (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 1200) * 6 PKTS/SEC * PATHS_PER_CONN * CONNS

The amplification ratio is (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 1200) / (IPv4_Header_Size + UDP_Header_Size + 20), which is 1228 / 48 = 25.58333. For incoming size of 28 bytes (8 byte CID) the number comes down to 21.93.

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I didn't factor in packet headers in my calculations, but I also allow for multiple probes in response to a single non-probing packet. What I'm concerned about then is considering the cost of the handshake. To complete the handshake, you need to send one 1200 byte packet and one packet of about 78 bytes. For an attack on a single host, this changes the dynamic considerably: you send `1220 + (98 + CID) + (41 + CID)` to get `3*1220`, assuming that you send three probes on new paths. That's lower than our 3x target even if the connection ID is zero length (2.66). Even if you amortize that setup cost across multiple targets, the amplification factor isn't as bad as I first thought. If a server probes up to 10 paths (which seems high), then you get `3*1200 / ((1318 + CID) / n + 41 + CID)` which for a CID of 8 bytes and 10 paths is 19.8. That's much worse, but not so bad as it is spread over multiple paths. We might limit the number of concurrent path validations, but this is not really going to change anything if they are just strung out. Only the total amount matters if the attacker is even slightly patient. I think that there might be some clarifications we can add: 1. Point more clearly to the requirement to limit the sending rate on unvalidated paths after migration. 2. Note that this rate limit applies to each path and that it might be necessary to limit the number of paths that are concurrently validated in this way, either per connection or across all connections (perhaps per destination if you are able). 3. Note that multiple path validations in sequence can still be used to use a single connection to attack multiple targets and that it might be necessary to limit the number of total failed path validations. On this last point, the total exposure is fixed in total to the number of probes in each failed validation attempt (e.g., 3) times the number of failed validations that the endpoint permits (e.g., 10). Using 3 and 10 gives the ~20x figure above, which is pretty bad, but not so far out of proportion that it couldn't be managed. Keep in mind that the attacker needs to do all the crypto of a handshake in order to access that, plus all the protocol logic and timers over two round trips. All that to get that 20x factor. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-717001767 ----==_mimepart_5f97b5e9ca447_5319b4716bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

OK, that helps. I didn't factor in packet headers in my calculations, but I also allow for multiple probes in response to a single non-probing packet.

What I'm concerned about then is considering the cost of the handshake. To complete the handshake, you need to send one 1200 byte packet and one packet of about 78 bytes. For an attack on a single host, this changes the dynamic considerably: you send 1220 + (98 + CID) + (41 + CID) to get 3*1220, assuming that you send three probes on new paths. That's lower than our 3x target even if the connection ID is zero length (2.66).

Even if you amortize that setup cost across multiple targets, the amplification factor isn't as bad as I first thought. If a server probes up to 10 paths (which seems high), then you get 3*1200 / ((1318 + CID) / n + 41 + CID) which for a CID of 8 bytes and 10 paths is 19.8. That's much worse, but not so bad as it is spread over multiple paths.

We might limit the number of concurrent path validations, but this is not really going to change anything if they are just strung out. Only the total amount matters if the attacker is even slightly patient.

I think that there might be some clarifications we can add:

  1. Point more clearly to the requirement to limit the sending rate on unvalidated paths after migration.

  2. Note that this rate limit applies to each path and that it might be necessary to limit the number of paths that are concurrently validated in this way, either per connection or across all connections (perhaps per destination if you are able).

  3. Note that multiple path validations in sequence can still be used to use a single connection to attack multiple targets and that it might be necessary to limit the number of total failed path validations.

On this last point, the total exposure is fixed in total to the number of probes in each failed validation attempt (e.g., 3) times the number of failed validations that the endpoint permits (e.g., 10). Using 3 and 10 gives the ~20x figure above, which is pretty bad, but not so far out of proportion that it couldn't be managed. Keep in mind that the attacker needs to do all the crypto of a handshake in order to access that, plus all the protocol logic and timers over two round trips. All that to get that 20x factor.

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Section 8.2.4 says "initial timeout (that is, 2*kInitialRtt)". But I don't think that we have this initial timeout concept in recovery any more; we just use the PTO. Should this just be 3*PTO now? The result is that the 6*kInitialRtt is meaningless as the PTO is 3*kInitialRtt + max_ack_delay when initialized.

Or is this the PTO on the pre-existing path?

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----==_mimepart_5f97b8bc1425c_5c19b415633c-- From nobody Mon Oct 26 23:17:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3483E3A15BC for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bak3Riu_ImwU for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF9893A15BB for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7027a25.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.63]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2CE075C05FE for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:17:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603779470; bh=nQ6y7DTRk05FOirn408Bj63eNIjJrelGlj0g0bmVkkE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NWVtWSNSWXhf6V4NjVVSo6Ngvg/HxpwdvSdKJq8BHOlS1M3BoGT4k3NZs/zbm7ltc G0dEapI+5Fe78op5SnXJ80Afu2jEfecx/Lq4/Z8loRHn1GMRa3+eD7LFXjwKapr2aF 7sLVrOto9XW6VzgjQbubd2ghLT1eLnXia2o3V7DA= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:17:50 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path Challenge Padding and Amplification Protection (#4257) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f97bb8e29bec_5519b415018"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:17:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f97bb8e29bec_5519b415018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for the calculations. Something around ~20x is what I have expected too. I tend to agree that having some cautionary text is sufficient. I'd also point out that we have a sentence that states: _In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame._ ([section 9.3.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-9.3.3-4)). Therefore, in addition to sending bytes to the victim, servers used for the reflection attack will be sending about 1/2 of that to the initiator of the attack. I'm not sure how critical that is to the attacker, though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4257#issuecomment-717011871 ----==_mimepart_5f97bb8e29bec_5519b415018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you for the calculations. Something around ~20x is what I have expected too.

I tend to agree that having some cautionary text is sufficient.

I'd also point out that we have a sentence that states: In response to an apparent migration, endpoints MUST validate the previously active path using a PATH_CHALLENGE frame. (section 9.3.3). Therefore, in addition to sending bytes to the victim, servers used for the reflection attack will be sending about 1/2 of that to the initiator of the attack. I'm not sure how critical that is to the attacker, though.

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Or is this the PTO on the pre-existing path?

I think this is the case. Notice "current."

Therefore I belive that the formula should be max(3*current_PTO, 3*initial_PTO).

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Changing 2kInitialRtt to 3kInitialRtt and 6kInitialRtt to 9kInitialRtt seems like the simplest fix since we don't define an initial_PTO variable anywhere in the documents.

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Fixes #4261

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Commit Summary

  • Initial PTO is 3*kInitialRtt, not 2*kInitialRtt

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I think that the concept of initial timeout isn't valid and would prefer this uses the PTO on the newly initialized path instead. Otherwise, we don't factor in the maximum ack delay. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4262#pullrequestreview-518201785 ----==_mimepart_5f98a0be83682_4519b415947a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I think that the concept of initial timeout isn't valid and would prefer this uses the PTO on the newly initialized path instead. Otherwise, we don't factor in the maximum ack delay.

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----==_mimepart_5f98a0be83682_4519b415947a-- From nobody Tue Oct 27 16:16:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B473A0489 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:16:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.005 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.005 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yoLe3vMwHYAk for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11D413A047D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1b42f0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.112.38]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4BDAF600801 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:16:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603840566; bh=dD2vIlNLWENIqWhqoJQM9SXQyO895nHNwnz+U8Q/w28=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UF2r0xNeQuBgsj+KD2F4PNS0pPqItHfnO4DrDRUrCRWPLoSTB6+tlF4dZdkvXS6uk lzUZ2KnWfcNOq0aVmOwM0zFt+xFUqbThXtXNr594L6kt8/VnsLURIDt6RjUx1LVwQ+ 9Q9PW0qcq1QHu9mCtXtQX6D+4sbUYySwv675eDYM= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:16:06 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Initial PTO is 3*kInitialRtt, not 2*kInitialRtt (#4262) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f98aa3648994_4819b41217b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 23:16:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f98aa3648994_4819b41217b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe this PR is consistent with the recovery doc, but I'd be open to other suggestions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4262#issuecomment-717596145 ----==_mimepart_5f98aa3648994_4819b41217b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe this PR is consistent with the recovery doc, but I'd be open to other suggestions.

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The idea of initial timeout is easily replaced in recovery by instead describing the effect on the PTO. The net effect is the same, except that new paths often have to include the maximum ACK delay, which this doesn't incorporate. Closes #4261. Closes #4262. From nobody Tue Oct 27 16:30:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5633A07AE for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:30:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xg1d4I2SvHAp for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4708F3A0879 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c3d2694.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.118.74]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7DB4A34005D for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:30:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603841455; bh=GWY9L72Uj3ZDXvQZa7AeYLcaOqU4/e/f+3yAwT17v8Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jq3QGQfYcxmQ3Fkxju0R76cmTtaAUaxbZM0OqWWdEi1FRSbXJGCKE+5JGcZG82Tv/ UPRgH2/e1DZyYr9pNzri8sPPxzDitblWrkimTQH6yEuoBXsr47/hJ6oANuIjhfFhYK WUN6L4Oroi7PVBc4AKR2jQTp6stwFV8fsKWF0XAg= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:30:55 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stop using initial timeout (#4263) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f98adaf7a715_5d19b422649"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 23:30:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f98adaf7a715_5d19b422649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Address validation can use 3*PTO, just taking the maximum of the old and new path PTO. The idea of initial timeout is easily replaced in recovery by instead describing the effect on the PTO. The net effect is the same, except that new paths often have to include the maximum ACK delay, which this doesn't incorporate. Closes #4261. Closes #4262. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4263 -- Commit Summary -- * Stop using initial timeout -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (5) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4263.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4263.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4263 ----==_mimepart_5f98adaf7a715_5d19b422649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Address validation can use 3*PTO, just taking the maximum of the old and
new path PTO. The idea of initial timeout is easily replaced in
recovery by instead describing the effect on the PTO. The net effect is
the same, except that new paths often have to include the maximum ACK
delay, which this doesn't incorporate.

Closes #4261.
Closes #4262.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4263

Commit Summary

  • Stop using initial timeout

File Changes

Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_5f98b70a193ef_3519b411159c-- From nobody Tue Oct 27 17:26:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E5A3A09EB for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VH5aExcT9_QQ for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B9F03A09EA for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-5a2ce91.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6B4955C0798 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603844789; bh=jCJcU4HccJG6hTbDmfIZhGJZ1LmU6Haa7VaweXebcqE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=qdZnjKU9TWO0LKdESg5tiU4hvLCwnaw4feyMciErJUoxlolhAEZ5ZBUb6G85l/Oaj TXRiW/aLHGWmdyadw9B7pbqBbav5i+sDnbbIH4h0afh1EBYSSBYg2jpFJX2w938F9O V8kuchjbdg/KFKIWOZfVVoBNY9Av/DRx4dLIEDUk= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:26:29 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 51423d: Add a blanket 3x anti-amplification limit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:26:32 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/migration-amplification Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 51423d014aa3f4c9674126a6ed038282f8fde366 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51423d014aa3f4c9674126a6ed038282f8fde366 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-28 (Wed, 28 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a blanket 3x anti-amplification limit This touches a lot of places in the document, but I think that the changes are all fairly minor. The major cnahge here is a move to a uniform 3x limit on sending packets toward unvalidated addresses. Specifically, this applies when the packets are sent in response to another packet. In practice, this means that only servers are affected by this. The consequence of this change is that PATH_CHALLENGE won't always be padded, as previously agreed. That also means that PATH_RESPONSE might not be as well (if the client migrates, it can send PATH_CHALLENGE in that packet; though we require that to be padded, we specifically don't require enforcement, so...). Address validation using this packet works, but this doesn't also provide MTU validation. To fix that, I have recommended that a second validation be performed when the address is valid, or there are enough bytes available that the anti-amplification limit is not a barrier. The nice part about this is that unifies the response. We no longer have weird carve-outs for rate limiting or minimum congestion window (both of which I removed as part of this). Closes #4257. 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 27 17:34:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353173A0A42 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bLaUf8f91GQP for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EA863A110A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-995a95c.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.111.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8BE225E0065 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603845223; bh=3o7Zu9UgurYA/6AddCj2Ff1yxuo4bvIZ92p7qLn5JNQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tNG62KpSSRXSsX7Wn4hbpqyc4Igyx7z8242RRS4if5/nbUbVu1dPBfhDFBgaTFVm3 Mpg2ll4kByNQo4w/Ena2HHfrd4eB2+2zypIbQjqxDipyGWUUuyf65Ln9CkY2H8iM2K MLfUzwCnkNr8R95rf37sptfIWD5yhBwv/8BBGLYo= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:33:43 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stop using initial timeout (#4263) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f98bc6788837_4e19b4343a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 00:34:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f98bc6788837_4e19b4343a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett requested changes on this pull request. > @@ -632,8 +632,9 @@ in most cases and is less likely to spuriously retransmit data. Resumed connections over the same network MAY use the previous connection's final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT. When no -previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms, resulting in -a 1 second initial timeout, as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}. +previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms. This I prefer the existing text to the updated text. Is there something you're adding that is important? > ~~~ - validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt) + validation_timeout = 3*max(PTO_current, PTO_new) PTO_current and PTO_new aren't defined, so even thought I understand the intent, I'm no longer sure this pseudocode is helpful. Possibly it'd be better to remove it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -632,8 +632,9 @@ in most cases and is less likely to spuriously retransmit data.
 
 Resumed connections over the same network MAY use the previous connection's
 final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT.  When no
-previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms, resulting in
-a 1 second initial timeout, as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}.
+previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms.  This

I prefer the existing text to the updated text. Is there something you're adding that is important?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
-   validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt)
+   validation_timeout = 3*max(PTO_current, PTO_new)

PTO_current and PTO_new aren't defined, so even thought I understand the intent, I'm no longer sure this pseudocode is helpful. Possibly it'd be better to remove it?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
-   validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt)
+   validation_timeout = 3*max(PTO_current, PTO_new)

That is probably good. I will do that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -632,8 +632,9 @@ in most cases and is less likely to spuriously retransmit data.
 
 Resumed connections over the same network MAY use the previous connection's
 final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT.  When no
-previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms, resulting in
-a 1 second initial timeout, as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}.
+previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms.  This

"initial timeout" seems to be a concept that doesn't exist in 6298, but it seems to be implied something. And it is not defined. So I wanted to remove it.

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Resumed connections over the same network MAY use the previous connection's final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT. When no -previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms, resulting in -a 1 second initial timeout, as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}. +previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms. This Oh, I forgot... The PTO is 3*kInitialRtt only for the handshake. A new path will be after the handshake is complete, so the value will have max_ack_delay added. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4263#discussion_r513113224 ----==_mimepart_5f98be2ba3ad5_3919b47079a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -632,8 +632,9 @@ in most cases and is less likely to spuriously retransmit data.
 
 Resumed connections over the same network MAY use the previous connection's
 final smoothed RTT value as the resumed connection's initial RTT.  When no
-previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms, resulting in
-a 1 second initial timeout, as recommended in {{?RFC6298}}.
+previous RTT is available, the initial RTT SHOULD be set to 333ms.  This

Oh, I forgot... The PTO is 3*kInitialRtt only for the handshake. A new path will be after the handshake is complete, so the value will have max_ack_delay added.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Oct 27 19:35:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937F73A0B91 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJCMtYGX9deN for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E88213A0B8B for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-48efd5b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.122.34]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 34CD2840082 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:34:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603852498; bh=CtnB92J9YSi2GO2pKLWiMvMBmlf3HJyW8XDz3k5RTr0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=L2XK8oYcYqG/Yz7ZH126SXzPmOagLGK2kJrJSutEeMltaB28JvAmI9BgUDScKhdyn lvlpAak3K0RvS8MjtUA9a0FkRdzB0qYYlAk0ewMYDDmY/1eCwt0wYT5yO0qVRwm9We H21+SMYbLwhBvOTfLBbhTbhYpE/eb6RSOJf7KDYU= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:34:58 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Apply the 3x amplification-limit to migration too (#4264) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f98d8d231766_4b19b4580f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 02:35:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f98d8d231766_4b19b4580f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This touches a lot of places in the document, but I think that the changes are all manageable in scope. The major change here is a move to a uniform 3x limit on sending packets toward unvalidated addresses. Specifically, this applies when the packets are sent in response to another packet. In practice, this means that only servers are affected by this. The consequence of this change is that PATH_CHALLENGE won't always be padded, as previously agreed. That also means that PATH_RESPONSE might not be as well (if the client migrates, it can send PATH_CHALLENGE in that packet; though we require that to be padded, we specifically don't require enforcement, so...). Address validation using this packet works, but this doesn't also provide MTU validation. To fix that, I have recommended that a second validation be performed when the address is valid, or there are enough bytes available that the anti-amplification limit is not a barrier. The nice part about this is that unifies the response. We no longer have weird carve-outs for rate limiting or minimum congestion window (both of which I removed as part of this). Closes #4257. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264 -- Commit Summary -- * Add a blanket 3x anti-amplification limit * Some stuff I missed * MUST be consistent -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (73) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264 ----==_mimepart_5f98d8d231766_4b19b4580f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This touches a lot of places in the document, but I think that the changes are all manageable in scope.

The major change here is a move to a uniform 3x limit on sending
packets toward unvalidated addresses. Specifically, this applies when
the packets are sent in response to another packet. In practice, this
means that only servers are affected by this.

The consequence of this change is that PATH_CHALLENGE won't always be
padded, as previously agreed. That also means that PATH_RESPONSE might
not be as well (if the client migrates, it can send PATH_CHALLENGE in
that packet; though we require that to be padded, we specifically don't
require enforcement, so...). Address validation using this packet
works, but this doesn't also provide MTU validation. To fix that, I
have recommended that a second validation be performed when the address
is valid, or there are enough bytes available that the
anti-amplification limit is not a barrier.

The nice part about this is that unifies the response. We no longer
have weird carve-outs for rate limiting or minimum congestion window
(both of which I removed as part of this).

Closes #4257.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264

Commit Summary

  • Add a blanket 3x anti-amplification limit
  • Some stuff I missed
  • MUST be consistent

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An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path +from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. + +If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no +padding is necessary. However, this means that the path MTU will not be +validated. The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram +of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when +enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram +will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit. I think we can change this MUST to a "can", pointing out that the most likely reason for sending a small-sized PATH_CHALLENGE is due to receiving a non-probing packet on an unvalidated path due to unintentional migration. And that in such case, it is unlikely to have an alternative path. I think that's what @ianswett pointed out. > @@ -2241,6 +2258,12 @@ the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE frame. A PATH_RESPONSE frame received on any network path validates the path on which the PATH_CHALLENGE was sent. +If the PATH_CHALLENGE frame was sent in a datagram that was not expanded to at +least 1200 bytes, an endpoint can regard the address as valid for the purposes +of sending more than three times the amount of data that has been received. +However, the path MTU is not validated so the endpoint MUST initiate another +path validation to verify that the path MTU is sufficient. If we are to change the MUST above (see my comment above) to "can," then I think we can get rid of this paragraph. > @@ -2227,6 +2241,9 @@ enable an attack on migration; see {{off-path-forward}}. An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. This verifies that the path is able to carry datagrams of this size in both directions. +However, an endpoint MUST NOT expand the PATH_RESPONSE if it is constrained +by an anti-amplification limit. This will only occur if the PATH_CHALLENGE +is not send in an expanded packet. I like this, because this requirement is in symmetry with that being proposed for PATH_CHALLENGE. I had [something different](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/hUck4IjyiT0LNkKPy-gPsPeR_XA/) in my mind, but I prefer what this PR states. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#pullrequestreview-518287636 ----==_mimepart_5f98dd40125f7_4d19b4100665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

I think we can change this MUST to a "can", pointing out that the most likely reason for sending a small-sized PATH_CHALLENGE is due to receiving a non-probing packet on an unvalidated path due to unintentional migration. And that in such case, it is unlikely to have an alternative path.

I think that's what @ianswett pointed out.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2241,6 +2258,12 @@ the data that was sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE frame.  A PATH_RESPONSE
 frame received on any network path validates the path on which the
 PATH_CHALLENGE was sent.
 
+If the PATH_CHALLENGE frame was sent in a datagram that was not expanded to at
+least 1200 bytes, an endpoint can regard the address as valid for the purposes
+of sending more than three times the amount of data that has been received.
+However, the path MTU is not validated so the endpoint MUST initiate another
+path validation to verify that the path MTU is sufficient.

If we are to change the MUST above (see my comment above) to "can," then I think we can get rid of this paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2227,6 +2241,9 @@ enable an attack on migration; see {{off-path-forward}}.
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at
 least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. This verifies
 that the path is able to carry datagrams of this size in both directions.
+However, an endpoint MUST NOT expand the PATH_RESPONSE if it is constrained
+by an anti-amplification limit.  This will only occur if the PATH_CHALLENGE
+is not send in an expanded packet.

I like this, because this requirement is in symmetry with that being proposed for PATH_CHALLENGE.

I had something different in my mind, but I prefer what this PR states.

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A few minor nits, but this does a really good job walking a very fine line of not-much-change but actually making things a bit _more_ consistent. Thanks @martinthomson! > @@ -2126,8 +2132,8 @@ Tokens sent in NEW_TOKEN frames MUST include information that allows the server to verify that the client IP address has not changed from when the token was issued. Servers can use tokens from NEW_TOKEN in deciding not to send a Retry packet, even if the client address has changed. If the client IP address has -changed, the server MUST adhere to the anti-amplification limits found in -{{validate-handshake}}. Note that in the presence of NAT, this requirement +changed, the server MUST adhere to the anti-amplification limits; see Now that we've given it a real name ```suggestion changed, the server MUST adhere to the anti-amplification limit; see ``` > @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path It also seems like it's possible that we wouldn't be able to send a PATH_CHALLENGE at all, what should an endpoint do then? > @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path +from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. + +If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no +padding is necessary. However, this means that the path MTU will not be +validated. The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram Just a wording nit: From context it's clear that this is a qualified MUST, but perhaps we could include that in the sentence itself? Even something like "In this situation, the endpoint MUST" such that if someone were to quote this sentence it would be clear that there's more context that applies. > @@ -2227,6 +2241,9 @@ enable an attack on migration; see {{off-path-forward}}. An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_RESPONSE frame to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. This verifies that the path is able to carry datagrams of this size in both directions. +However, an endpoint MUST NOT expand the PATH_RESPONSE if it is constrained +by an anti-amplification limit. This will only occur if the PATH_CHALLENGE +is not send in an expanded packet. This is very nice :) One minor editorial nit though: ```suggestion is not sent in an expanded packet. ``` or ```suggestion was not sent in an expanded packet. ``` > @@ -2400,15 +2423,11 @@ used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a victim. As described in {{migration-response}}, an endpoint is required to validate a -peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address. Until a -peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it -sends data to this address. The endpoint MUST NOT send more than a minimum -congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow, -as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path

I'm not sure if there'd be such a case.

  • Minimum size of a valid short header packet is 19 bytes (i.e. first-byte (1) + 0-byte CID (0) + 1-byte PN (1) + 1-byte payload (1) + AEAD tag (16)).
  • Maximum size of a short header packet that contains PATH_CHALLENGE only is 50 bytes (i.e. first byte (1) + 20-byte CID (20) + 4-byte PN (4) + PATH_CHALLENGE (9) + AEAD tag (16)).

The latter (50) is less than the former multiplied by three (19*3=57).

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An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path +from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. + +If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no +padding is necessary. However, this means that the path MTU will not be +validated. The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram +of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when +enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram +will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit. I would prefer not to. We decided in the other change (the one that lead to this bug) not to make MTU validation optional. If we care whether the path supports the MTU, then this requirement follows from that. > @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE. An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path Yeah, you should always have space for a challenge once you multiple out overheads, even if you have to spend 20 bytes more than your peer on a connection ID. > @@ -2400,15 +2423,11 @@ used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a victim. As described in {{migration-response}}, an endpoint is required to validate a -peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address. Until a -peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it -sends data to this address. The endpoint MUST NOT send more than a minimum -congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow, -as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). In the absence of this limit, an endpoint -risks being used for a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim. -Note that since the endpoint will not have any round-trip time measurements to -this address, the estimate SHOULD be the default initial value; see -{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address. Until a +peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint limits the amount of data it sends +to that address; see {{address-validation}}. In the absence of this limit, an +endpoint risks being used for a denial of service attack against an +unsuspecting victim. Right, I don't think that this is worth calling out :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

I would prefer not to. We decided in the other change (the one that lead to this bug) not to make MTU validation optional. If we care whether the path supports the MTU, then this requirement follows from that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path

Yeah, you should always have space for a challenge once you multiple out overheads, even if you have to spend 20 bytes more than your peer on a connection ID.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2400,15 +2423,11 @@ used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can generate toward a
 victim.
 
 As described in {{migration-response}}, an endpoint is required to validate a
-peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address.  Until a
-peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint MUST limit the rate at which it
-sends data to this address.  The endpoint MUST NOT send more than a minimum
-congestion window's worth of data per estimated round-trip time (kMinimumWindow,
-as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}).  In the absence of this limit, an endpoint
-risks being used for a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim.
-Note that since the endpoint will not have any round-trip time measurements to
-this address, the estimate SHOULD be the default initial value; see
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+peer's new address to confirm the peer's possession of the new address. Until a
+peer's address is deemed valid, an endpoint limits the amount of data it sends
+to that address; see {{address-validation}}. In the absence of this limit, an
+endpoint risks being used for a denial of service attack against an
+unsuspecting victim.

Right, I don't think that this is worth calling out :)

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An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path +from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. + +If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no +padding is necessary. However, this means that the path MTU will not be +validated. The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram +of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when +enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram +will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit. I might argue that the principle that we have is to reject paths with MTUs below 1200. But in case of NAT rebinding, the path has already switched. It's too late to reject that path. But to be practical, I think we need to consider how endpoints should behave when MTU of the new path is below 1200. The two options at stake are: * At the moment, the PR states that path validation MUST fail. But because the server might send smaller packets using the reminder of the 3x window, communication between the endpoints might slowly proceed. * If we omit MTU discovery, communication between the endpoints is likely to slowly proceed in similar way. IMO, both options are equally dissatisfatory, and based on that view, my preference goes to the simpler solution (of omitting MTU discovery). By mandating MTU discovery, do we have a better way of bailing out? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r513223950 ----==_mimepart_5f991b4c80e7f_3c19b457773f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

I might argue that the principle that we have is to reject paths with MTUs below 1200. But in case of NAT rebinding, the path has already switched. It's too late to reject that path.

But to be practical, I think we need to consider how endpoints should behave when MTU of the new path is below 1200. The two options at stake are:

  • At the moment, the PR states that path validation MUST fail. But because the server might send smaller packets using the reminder of the 3x window, communication between the endpoints might slowly proceed.
  • If we omit MTU discovery, communication between the endpoints is likely to slowly proceed in similar way.

IMO, both options are equally dissatisfatory, and based on that view, my preference goes to the simpler solution (of omitting MTU discovery).

By mandating MTU discovery, do we have a better way of bailing out?

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An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path +from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. + +If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no +padding is necessary. However, this means that the path MTU will not be +validated. The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram +of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when +enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram +will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit. When we discussed this as part of the handshake, the principle we applied was a preference for failing fast. That is, the sooner the problem is identified and the connection abandoned, the less likely it is that the connection persists in a half-broken state for an extended period. Isn't a mandate for MTU probing a clear application of that principle? (Nothing stops someone from trying to muddle on, but you need to be smart and effectively do a sub-1200 PMTUD of sorts to find your limits; and you have to rely on the peer doing the same. That seems fragile.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

When we discussed this as part of the handshake, the principle we applied was a preference for failing fast. That is, the sooner the problem is identified and the connection abandoned, the less likely it is that the connection persists in a half-broken state for an extended period.

Isn't a mandate for MTU probing a clear application of that principle?

(Nothing stops someone from trying to muddle on, but you need to be smart and effectively do a sub-1200 PMTUD of sorts to find your limits; and you have to rely on the peer doing the same. That seems fragile.)

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An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at -least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Sending UDP -datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the -peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. +least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the +anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of +this size. Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path +from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}. + +If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no +padding is necessary. However, this means that the path MTU will not be +validated. The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram +of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when +enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram +will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit. Thank you for walking me through. So you are saying that an endpoint MUST always validate path MTU when responding to an unintentional migration (e.g., NAT rebinding), using a timer as recommended in [section 8.2.4](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-failed-path-validation). When the timer expires, and if there's no other active paths, the endpoint closes the connection. As complicated as it is, I agree that there's benefit in closing early, and that the design is consistent. The only remaining question I have is the error code to be used when closing the connection. 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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

Thank you for walking me through. So you are saying that an endpoint MUST always validate path MTU when responding to an unintentional migration (e.g., NAT rebinding), using a timer as recommended in section 8.2.4. When the timer expires, and if there's no other active paths, the endpoint closes the connection.

As complicated as it is, I agree that there's benefit in closing early, and that the design is consistent.

The only remaining question I have is the error code to be used when closing the connection. Should we be using NO_ERROR, or do we need a new error code?

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Section 1 is the first place that you introduce the term "Frame". I got very
confused about frames and packets, and I thing the taxonomy needs to be clearly
explained. You have UDP/IP packets that carry one or more QUIC PDUs, but the
frame/packet notation made it unclear what was being discussed and whether the
terms were being used consistently. Some clarification would be useful, or if
it is in the text then making it more obvious would help.

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Packet and frame diagrams in this document use a custom format. The
purpose of this format is to summarize, not define, protocol
elements.

I found this confusing, because in a ST protocol specification I was
looking for a protocol definition

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----==_mimepart_5f9976f2b5396_5619b41260b9-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 06:50:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B506C3A08FF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7elcMpmb1tYk for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 811263A08DC for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-9b51bd1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.119.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C9BA15C0748 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603893020; bh=TGW96mbgT6SgYwAzuh0LbpY15zcKY0QYGQhpRwfhlcQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aiFA/Jude9Fegjx2NxyW+Yv07/wc7a8lm02i+KeoRpz1JNEeNknmis8sBhuhWeM0d rZqKNQGp3q+utncDUU52MAHKOUNX8q+yGiijGKuohKvMtK5dyBmABytcVq9SbhUhuT l9xRsDB0djPjCHISm4ZZK4vCiGusNnG8/otTy1AU= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:50:20 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 62 bits pulled out of a hat (#4268) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99771cc6b15_4c19b4787c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:50:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99771cc6b15_4c19b4787c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Streams are identified within a connection by a numeric value, referred to as the stream ID. A stream ID is a 62-bit integer (0 to 2^62-1) that is unique for all streams on a connection. I found the 62 bits pulled out of a hat very confusing. Eventually the reader realises that this is 64 bits with the two lowest bits signifying the parameters below. Some explanatory text would help. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4268 ----==_mimepart_5f99771cc6b15_4c19b4787c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Streams are identified within a connection by a numeric value,
referred to as the stream ID. A stream ID is a 62-bit integer (0 to
2^62-1) that is unique for all streams on a connection.

I found the 62 bits pulled out of a hat very confusing. Eventually the
reader realises that this is 64 bits with the two lowest bits signifying the
parameters below. Some explanatory text would help.

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Stream IDs
are encoded as variable-length integers; see Section 16. A QUIC
endpoint MUST NOT reuse a stream ID within a connection.

The least significant bit (0x1) of the stream ID identifies the

This was a common problem throughout the text. I found the use of (0x1) and
similar confusing in the text. Where you use this notation you mean the bit
manipulated by the mask 0x1 (and similar). It would be helpful to the reader to
be a little more pedantic in the use of the term in each case. We will get to
it later, in the comments but a lot of readers would be helped by the use of
the classic ASCII art style representation of bit fields.

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When I read the text around table 1, I found this to be confusing and was
not clear whether the object is a 64 bit object with a 62 bit instance ID or a
62 bit object with a 60 bit instance ID. If the former I am not sure what the
name of the whole is vs the name of the 62 bit instance ID is. This could
usefully be clarified.

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QUIC depends upon a minimum IP packet size of at least 1280 bytes.
This is the IPv6 minimum size ([IPv6]) and is also supported by most
modern IPv4 networks. Assuming the minimum IP header size of 40
bytes for IPv6 and 20 bytes for IPv4 and a UDP header size of 8
bytes, this results in a maximum datagram size of 1232 bytes for IPv6
and 1252 bytes for IPv4.

The maximum datagram size MUST be at least 1200 bytes.

The previous two paras are quite confusing. I think the first para refers
to the max packet size in the network layer, but the second para is not clear,
nor is the next para.

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Any maximum datagram size larger than 1200 bytes can be discovered
using Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD; see
Section 14.2.1) or Datagram Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
(DPLPMTUD; see Section 14.3).

Enforcement of the max_udp_payload_size transport parameter
(Section 18.2) might act as an additional limit on the maximum
datagram size. A sender can avoid exceeding this limit, once the
value is known. However, prior to learning the value of the
transport parameter, endpoints risk datagrams being lost if they send
datagrams larger than the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of
1200 bytes.

Again unclear. Are you saying that the network must support a network layer
packet of at least 1200B which is used to carry Ip + UDP + UDP payload?

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----==_mimepart_5f9978324992a_4b19b41723d2-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 06:55:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A75B3A0962 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94R7jCCkt26T for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B5FD3A095F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-2a8f4e6.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.114.67]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 78005520E26 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:55:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603893354; bh=vnH6QB2+yKtwaDv/FOCunNd0rOxd/AwlAo74g8oLJaw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RRErXH6fcxSKVrJpubIqplxiX3CXBOFnyXcg5ABGS9FpxSkVZoqJb9JXe1STtt77P Ih5QWa8UOD8lrJbD8vY0cZJ8AnT8QrgJUd32SsPyo25/sN7NWtTlbFDESlBNSBuHJj Bp/E827IBSyRyB/qU0gHb6gN4xs1gYjosYe6b348= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:55:54 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Re-writing for clarity (#4273) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99786a74724_4e19b416749c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:55:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99786a74724_4e19b416749c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer. In IPv4 ([IPv4]), the DF bit MUST be set if possible, to prevent fragmentation on the path. > > Datagrams are required to be of a minimum size under some conditions. However, the size of the datagram is not authenticated. Therefore, an endpoint MUST NOT close a connection when it receives a datagram that does not meet size constraints, though the endpoint MAY discard such datagrams. I really think this section needs re-writing for clarity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4273 ----==_mimepart_5f99786a74724_4e19b416749c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer. In IPv4
([IPv4]), the DF bit MUST be set if possible, to prevent
fragmentation on the path.

Datagrams are required to be of a minimum size under some conditions.
However, the size of the datagram is not authenticated. Therefore,
an endpoint MUST NOT close a connection when it receives a datagram
that does not meet size constraints, though the endpoint MAY discard
such datagrams.

I really think this section needs re-writing for clarity.

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14.2.1. Handling of ICMP Messages by PMTUD

I am worried about the text in this section. ICMP and UDP paths may not be
congruent as a result of different RTG ECMP treatment. The only packet you can
trust to explore the path is a QUIC packet.

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22.1.1. Provisional Registrations

Provisional registration of codepoints are intended to allow for
private use and experimentation with extensions to QUIC. Provisional
registrations only require the inclusion of the codepoint value and
contact information. However, provisional registrations could be
reclaimed and reassigned for another purpose.

Experience in other WGs suggests that reclaiming is very hard. We really
needed to do this in MPLS where we had a 16 value field and found it impossible.

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Additionally, each value of the format "31 * N + 27" for integer
values of N (that is, 27, 58, 89, ...) are reserved and MUST NOT be
assigned by IANA.

We do not normally ask IANA to run an algorithm to check a value. Are we
sure that this will work?

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In looking at "Figure 2: States for Sending Parts of Streams" it occurred
to me that this was the major states but there were possibly a number of error
states missing. It would be useful to clarify.

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----==_mimepart_5f997937807bf_3f19b42170bf-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:00:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725703A09BD for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3iBnEAIj-VY for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B65BC3A0975 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1e41aa6.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.48]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EB20A340CD9 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:59:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603893600; bh=kAhelPQlKpjU7bolY2bFWpvf2ZZr9BcwWJTexp7gADc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ld9rpkrSCqVtye7hXQB4InfufYrsKowrOBze9rR20did9MTZKJGtnvz17wJoUzbip OzY8cTnmh085Z7OMlOV8YWl9b/48bs2Edd4XAfwHm21uVNqyfpvWprwPQWbaFPjCgB WIkBb829bhUUs6F7+tolsIDYBXyVz2A8iY4c2vvo= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:59:59 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prevent the network from being overwhelmed (#4278) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99795fe8022_4219b419186c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:00:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99795fe8022_4219b419186c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver. Surely it is also necessary to do this to prevent the network from being overwhelmed? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4278 ----==_mimepart_5f99795fe8022_4219b419186c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could
buffer, to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver,
or to prevent a malicious sender from consuming a large amount of
memory at a receiver.

Surely it is also necessary to do this to prevent the network from being
overwhelmed?

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----==_mimepart_5f99795fe8022_4219b419186c-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:01:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3833A110D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FvwBsxxsutKx for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C4D03A10FF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-3b9171c.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.114.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AD0B1520F2E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:00:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603893657; bh=YsBaf2yc1Ai3QNNa203hoX1JDIwDji1PTc7kgRHEKb8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eyyzRAhbF8z/Jp5KV7EG/r6WEiGXgmliqkfsrzkxQ+aQOfx5kwTjIo/aPSiv14st2 iqKOGMpNneJzUS3kOLfILs7ZqTtW8mttM9m15Qe+GnIoqrqFJK/RQYEWrdKtqTj3j5 pQJEeJh8AFEFSRj7uh6Z2MIdhr5K3zE7IkL3B04c= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:00:57 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pulling of 2^60 out of a hat (#4279) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f997999a947e_4c19b419986f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:01:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f997999a947e_4c19b419986f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If a max_streams transport parameter or a MAX_STREAMS frame is received with a value greater than 2^60, This pulling of 2^60 out of a hat is too cryptic. As I understand it this is because you need 2 bits to express the size of the object that holds to identifier and two bits to hold the control parameters that go in the LSBs. It would be helpful to the new reader to call all this out earlier rather than making them figure it all out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4279 ----==_mimepart_5f997999a947e_4c19b419986f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If a max_streams transport parameter or a MAX_STREAMS frame is
received with a value greater than 2^60,

This pulling of 2^60 out of a hat is too cryptic. As I understand it this
is because you need 2 bits to express the size of the object that holds to
identifier and two bits to hold the control parameters that go in the LSBs. It
would be helpful to the new reader to call all this out earlier rather than
making them figure it all out.

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  1. Version Negotiation

I am surprised that there is no IANA version registry

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For a server to use a new version in the future, clients need to
correctly handle unsupported versions. Some version numbers
(0x?a?a?a?a as defined in Section 15) are reserved for inclusion in
fields that contain version numbers.

The value 0x?a?a?a?a is somewhat pulled out of a hat, it would be useful to
explain the rational. SB> and then in Section 15 I wondered why this pattern
which leaves all sorts of holes in the version space?

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Implementations need to maintain a buffer of CRYPTO data received out
of order. Because there is no flow control of CRYPTO frames, an
endpoint could potentially force its peer to buffer an unbounded
amount of data.

What are the congestion consequences of this?

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validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt)

A quick look in the reference did not show what units of time you are using
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Stateless Reset {
Fixed Bits (2) = 1,
Unpredictable Bits (38..),
Stateless Reset Token (128),
}

               Figure 10: Stateless Reset Packet

When I first met this my reaction was that I was sure it sends a lot more
bits on the wire than this, but so far I have not see a packet definition nor a
pointer to a packet definition. Please could you clarify what is happening?

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10.3.1. Detecting a Stateless Reset

An endpoint detects a potential stateless reset using the trailing 16
bytes of the UDP datagram.

I find this rather opaque given that so far we do not know what a packet
looks like, and I cannot see what the encoding of this is.

To add to the confusion over packets and frames we now have datagrams.

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Having read to the end of section 10 I made a note that I was still trying
to figure out what a reset token actually looked like.

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12.3. Packet Numbers

The packet number is an integer in the range 0 to 2^62-1.

It would save a bit of wondering until later if this was described as a
non-reusable number space

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----==_mimepart_5f997b7f3479d_3919b411239f-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:10:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBBE3A08F6 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NcMiGIBzDYFU for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C785A3A0898 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-6bb3204.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.111.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 19B51560D51 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:10:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603894207; bh=MbrS1HmI9lFX52cwPyy39Htyg0v1dY+DPc7XgSxJvjg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uNaz0Y52hQ1DODGTawoyERWsqvc/P7VUJ60tKzg/ttbwcaliXa1jep88RoJMis7nw X/tp2dHQcJGkk8PrHa5TNjwgAi40ONvNDnwR7NhnyPu7Ld72BWrrdhk8JNCL1tnIut n39r5tZvu7nCdW6ARGFDsGABzYwVUKPkiqjQv0aw= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:10:07 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Say we have a maximum data size (#4288) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f997bbf15fcc_5019b4950cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:10:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f997bbf15fcc_5019b4950cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same packet number space in one connection. If the packet number for sending reaches 2^62 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; an endpoint MAY send a Stateless Reset (Section 10.3) in response to further packets that it receives. I know that this is a lot of space, although you subdivide it so its smaller, but I would be useful is the fact that there was a maximum data size was stated up from and it was specified. There are some applications that expect to send continuously without disruption and would need to take action prior to termination of the transfer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4288 ----==_mimepart_5f997bbf15fcc_5019b4950cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same packet
number space in one connection. If the packet number for sending
reaches 2^62 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without
sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; an endpoint
MAY send a Stateless Reset (Section 10.3) in response to further
packets that it receives.

I know that this is a lot of space, although you subdivide it so its
smaller, but I would be useful is the fact that there was a maximum data size
was stated up from and it was specified. There are some applications that
expect to send continuously without disruption and would need to take action
prior to termination of the transfer.

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12.4. Frames and Frame Types

The payload of QUIC packets, after removing packet protection,
Packet Payload {
Frame (8..) ...,
}

consists of a sequence of complete frames, as shown in Figure 11.
Version Negotiation, Stateless Reset, and Retry packets do not
contain frames.

At this point (page 82) I am still not sure what a packet or a frame is and
have no idea what is going on on the wire.

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  1. Datagram Size

A UDP datagram can include one or more QUIC packets.

There is some confusion in the text between packets, frames and datagrams.
That could be helped by earlier clarification.

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17.2. Long Header Packets

How is the following encoded? It is not clear how long the fields are.
If the notation is that (x) means x bits it would be good to remind the
reader. It may have been called up earlier but that was 100 pages ago with no
back pointer. This would be so much clearer to most readers with a conventional
packet diagram

Long Header Packet {
Header Form (1) = 1,
Fixed Bit (1) = 1,
Long Packet Type (2),
Type-Specific Bits (4),
Version (32),
Destination Connection ID Length (8),
Destination Connection ID (0..160),
Source Connection ID Length (8),
Source Connection ID (0..160),
}

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The layout of a Version Negotiation packet is:

Version Negotiation Packet {
Header Form (1) = 1,
Unused (7),
Version (32) = 0,
Destination Connection ID Length (8),
Destination Connection ID (0..2040),
Source Connection ID Length (8),
Source Connection ID (0..2040),
Supported Version (32) ...,
}

             Figure 14: Version Negotiation Packet

The value in the Unused field is selected randomly by the server.

When I first met this text the following questions arose.
What does the (7) in unused mean?
What length is Destination/Source Connection ID/What does (0..2040) mean?
Now I have figured this out, but I really worry about how difficult this is
for the new/casual reader of the text.

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----==_mimepart_5f997cbe7ed08_3e19b41548ce-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:15:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F713A0976 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HtCiAUthoIPh for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4640F3A03F8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7fe6bbb.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 904D75C0D70 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:14:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603894498; bh=TFqWJORkGXw1TQViB3SJwp3lXtB7g3BTSeucOo+rCW0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1p4fNtZ+Ptd7iZ07WrsgTZe/suuvHqyEcooF59Teg2wswRaJp3VevxLySenb51Xei PJf+qsPtIjhDb43OpHFd4tQk2xbKM+wKc6XP7e13NrSG4aXEnH4hZN/feEKErPtHfN qKiz9a451BR1EngdUAuezctdoBTT6L5b8/dKRzhI= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:14:58 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] It would be helpful to explain why (#4293) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f997ce28d3c1_4a19b41734a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:15:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f997ce28d3c1_4a19b41734a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID field. This value MUST NOT be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of the packet sent by the client. It would be helpful to explain why -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4293 ----==_mimepart_5f997ce28d3c1_4a19b41734a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source
Connection ID field. This value MUST NOT be equal to the Destination
Connection ID field of the packet sent by the client.

It would be helpful to explain why

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18.1. Reserved Transport Parameters

Transport parameters with an identifier of the form "31 * N + 27" for
integer values of N are reserved to exercise the requirement that
unknown transport parameters be ignored. These transport parameters
have no semantics, and may carry arbitrary values.

Which hat did that come out of? It would be helpful to the reader to
explain the rational.

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19.1. PADDING Frames

The choice of padding values is itself an interesting problem, but as far
as I can see the text is silent on the subject.

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22.1.2. Selecting Codepoints

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New uses of codepoints from QUIC registries SHOULD use a randomly
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=0D multiple codepoints MAY use a contiguous range.

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Doesn=E2=80=99t this lead to fragment code-spaces where it becomes pro= gressively
=0D harder to get blocks. Why this policy?

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Related to which I am not sure the process in para 2 of 22.1.3 is real= istic
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Appendix A. Sample Packet Number Decoding Algorithm

The pseudo-code in Figure 45 shows how an implementation can decode
packet numbers after header protection has been removed.

The variable in the code need to be defined.

There should also be some commentary to make it understandable to the new
reader. It would be useful for this to have a back reference to the body of
the document.

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----==_mimepart_5f997dad5f2e6_3419b417029e-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:20:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204713A09A8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5_52frC4RLd for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1014F3A09A3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7841b65.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.111.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2EE32560F11 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603894797; bh=bE+DpE0oSGxYr/a/+ozoDQEmp4Ltw0rDptWS99KNAP4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YmnJ//N0t2W4q/7AgJeVm+3wFIRvuiTTmQoTDOZJMlx+rDejjNu4C+NNO4znfatvz KS2UPddVuV8qKJ8Cr4GBCjh+rT4VIHXqd7K/GLDHX2KKoxZv5EP2eFRSd8J26q5kaw MLqsHA4HDJsEQNQX4L4cpokIJ+28+UPGNZDZKe+M= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:19:57 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Example Structure (#4298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f997e0d2bb69_5019b417397d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:19:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f997e0d2bb69_5019b417397d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Example Structure" The use of white space coupled name components was strange to me and it too a while and a look late in the text to realise that Structure was part the name and not part of the syntax (i.e. that a structure was not Structure {}) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4298 ----==_mimepart_5f997e0d2bb69_5019b417397d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

"Example Structure"

The use of white space coupled name components was strange to me and it
too a while and a look late in the text to realise that Structure was part the
name and not part of the syntax (i.e. that a structure was not Structure {})

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Table 3: Frame Types

The notation used in the table took a while to figure out. A little more
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             Table 4: Summary of Integer Encodings

For example, the eight byte sequence c2 19 7c 5e ff 14 e8 8c (in
hexadecimal) decodes to the decimal value 151288809941952652; the
four byte sequence 9d 7f 3e 7d decodes to 494878333; the two byte
sequence 7b bd decodes to 15293; and the single byte 25 decodes to 37
(as does the two byte sequence 40 25).

The
Some hex & decimal indication would help.
A picture is worth a thousand words and save the reader drawing this out
themselves to understand it and getting confused. The conversion pseudo
code would be helpful, possibly in an appendix.

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As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one
bit more than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous
unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet.

That is really hard to parse.

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With this mechanism, the server reflects the spin value received,
while the client 'spins' it after one RTT. On-path observers can
measure the time between two spin bit toggle events to estimate the
end-to-end RTT of a connection.

It would be clearer to the reader if the explanation of operation proceeded
the detail.

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----==_mimepart_5f997f0960ea7_3c19b4111381-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:24:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3A23A09C0 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.041 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.041 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c1IVPw2PVT2n for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 132C33A09BE for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-98be6b3.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5688A5E0759 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:24:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603895086; bh=TieGkytjwR4IdCrMTi9lQkjjZvipTd7XtdjlN4nHlko=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XySAOE70hMBFuruGezUAOKNyM/ARHb81POG+IaiBE7PYg8CzbhXRbuCKXe2n1HaO6 mgxuxOm/MdBVhn9ASeM9yQ0DR0YdP2fH1emtNNogiZlpuKLQ5ZXiZkhPCcjtPA45i4 tdwPWmRNiZPXEwMCETWvjfISD0BcZE8YsyjuSsBM= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:24:46 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Presumably the length in bytes (#4303) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f997f2e52428_4919b419756e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:24:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f997f2e52428_4919b419756e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Transport Parameter Length field contains the length of the Transport Parameter Value field. Presumably the length in bytes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4303 ----==_mimepart_5f997f2e52428_4919b419756e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The Transport Parameter Length field contains the length of the Transport
Parameter Value field.

Presumably the length in bytes.

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  1. Security Considerations

An introduction to this long section would be useful

21.13. Overview of Security Properties

I find it strange that having read 12 previous security analysis
subsections I arrive at this section. I am surprised that the overview is not
section 21.1

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None? The packet contents don't matter for the congestion controller.

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----==_mimepart_5f9982bab3a84_4e19b482530-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:42:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDA33A09DA for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zqY9dA1G1HUY for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFAC33A09D6 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-2d29616.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.102.71]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4140C840ED3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603896123; bh=svkyJdhVOh+ga0+83WgJlKpnBO8V4+lXUPMckQ4o+wQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LgXgFZeiy4/FJ8jjPTB2P/HdVqIMfLF1vEv+GdR808z5+ABTe1XTk4fhyr3hJiLpq NhqBWsPpcthL6O2sF1xDNJgkktN/UDtUKrwGr/B+XP9w86SQmTDuYSaj8snMSmHHpy zVjyMKEKajcNPumtBURKetpqqUYqamYnOuZE8bXw= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:03 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 62 bits pulled out of a hat (#4268) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99833b3b6f3_4219b41324d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:42:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99833b3b6f3_4219b41324d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's an incorrect reading. They are **62**-bit integers with the lowest two bits signifying the parameters which follow. Variable-length integers (Section 16) have a maximum size of 62 bits. The sentence immediately after the ones you quoted states that stream IDs are variable-length integers, with a reference to the variable-length definition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4268#issuecomment-717979334 ----==_mimepart_5f99833b3b6f3_4219b41324d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That's an incorrect reading. They are 62-bit integers with the lowest two bits signifying the parameters which follow. Variable-length integers (Section 16) have a maximum size of 62 bits. The sentence immediately after the ones you quoted states that stream IDs are variable-length integers, with a reference to the variable-length definition.

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----==_mimepart_5f99833b3b6f3_4219b41324d0-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:45:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2E3A09F3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YONu1S_w-zkP for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECA7F3A09C5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-39d8124.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.33]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3DF8BE0636 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:45:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603896328; bh=rvuOLRZ1TTK8PCgPiS2G+i2JOYr/Wihh+PDa1cJO2JA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zc57dzgxL1FygQBFOb0h4k8P6lzvmD7jjipZz0cEAyoAtLEG3d5hrvvX2z/pJgz29 ZMVFPHWOsECg7O1V3DFsgVv6sFpf9ZFeL3kogQ2+S0myvxby7V+FuvQZ/6+CHoJ3dl LvJyHtUa1hXaa4JTbsZdnvdkBfz7Q+w8aydjUnTo= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:45:28 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Advice for middlebox authors (#4305) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9984083aeb9_1fb19b41512af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:45:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9984083aeb9_1fb19b41512af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reviewer: Yoav Nir Review result: Ready The contents of the "security and privacy considerations" section seems to be advice for middlebox authors. I think that it may have been better to name the section something else. However, there is no information that is missing, so I don't really have any recommendations for changing things. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4305 ----==_mimepart_5f9984083aeb9_1fb19b41512af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reviewer: Yoav Nir
Review result: Ready

The contents of the "security and privacy considerations" section seems to be
advice for middlebox authors. I think that it may have been better to name the
section something else. However, there is no information that is missing, so I
don't really have any recommendations for changing things.

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Opening this in case we want to make editorial changes.

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kInitialRtt is set to 333ms. Not sure why a max between two values needs to define the unit in the first place though.

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----==_mimepart_5f9984952c2d5_5419b41132c8-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:49:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3CF3A0A10 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1MY9wesPhy4 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 100D13A09C3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7a1d7ea.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 513825E0F87 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:49:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603896540; bh=YTLVndV1P5cHpgTeBT9JrHjTQnv93V5bI8eFnew8/0Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iY/ZSZ9/a9olqkaohDmJEP7DNaiKy3lgldoPL3uRGj+C5YC4gEiwYVTzhOzWumju7 fTpQffXMEVzenpqqMT11c4eT3HZ/hYFK12hhU1yjyCbEYYquo5Zh9j+HQ8e8HM71mo oWIzz6K4wpDH0O1VFRz/TK8nuUOVnkqV2y4MPlm4= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:49:00 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fundamentals into Section 1 (#4265) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9984dc4dc0b_3e19b489123"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:49:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9984dc4dc0b_3e19b489123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is, in fact, the intended structure of the document. Section 1 provides an extremely high-level view of the protocol; section 1.1 lays out how these high-level concepts are discussed in greater depth in Sections 2-14, with wire-level details reserved for Sections 15-20. Is the suggestion that there should be a new Section 2 which goes into more detail than Section 1, but less detail than Sections 2-14? Or is the suggestion more detail in Section 1.1 about the concepts before the forward references? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4265#issuecomment-717984057 ----==_mimepart_5f9984dc4dc0b_3e19b489123 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That is, in fact, the intended structure of the document. Section 1 provides an extremely high-level view of the protocol; section 1.1 lays out how these high-level concepts are discussed in greater depth in Sections 2-14, with wire-level details reserved for Sections 15-20.

Is the suggestion that there should be a new Section 2 which goes into more detail than Section 1, but less detail than Sections 2-14? Or is the suggestion more detail in Section 1.1 about the concepts before the forward references?

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kInitialRtt is not defined in -transport, and Stewart was (probably) only reviewing the document in isolation.

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----==_mimepart_5f9984f5aeeac_7ff19b437483-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 07:52:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22233A0A83 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7o8UlyuXFNyw for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97C703A0A29 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ad84d62.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.35]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DB19B5C0F2D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:52:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603896765; bh=lnxOpydxxc2/1WafCpW5wdIxcmhbT98LWsN1U5MllK0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ubbkIawPosW9DwH8uNbxbqGOMiI+1OIhgtAPBXEpG3Q3soCoygQc7p0cRnr3/IciA iE6cIBHzf4G20KyQlbWkKEpiUPQc+MLxGnpbemBow1xcvpeb09zwj/IquBycp1SP5f CuQ/MCCDRNxgqwHq6HPCwraLUiy/jLo8+/u/6eaY= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:52:45 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify frames and packets in Section 1 (#4266) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9985bdd7555_4f19b4191851"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:52:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9985bdd7555_4f19b4191851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps "Frame" should be added as a defined term in Section 1.2. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4266#issuecomment-717986769 ----==_mimepart_5f9985bdd7555_4f19b4191851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Perhaps "Frame" should be added as a defined term in Section 1.2.

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The quote is from the Flow Control section. I see flow control and congestion control as orthogonal to each other.

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The protocol definition is the text; the diagrams are helpful summaries of the text.

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----==_mimepart_5f9986972cabc_84a19b410442b-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:03:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAB63A0A26 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:03:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EYziiOFVqh15 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91EFE3A09DA for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f47877e.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.113.35]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7FD08560E5C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603897391; bh=LZupx4Pstm0QIDheezPuK3Rm+0BzeYJ3RDMoR04Aecw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X1wUFhqMgP+MingTJ22vhgIZ4/qvig+6sfFaYso0maEtRYK3avB3tx9GpvZx/F9Em MY289lO/2XjpxrQexqOhBocvw+o7NminzNO+BEKxVKxxpZ2tuvHY5i419SJz/lhKHJ EbfPB6ZymkCAC8belpbePjSAao2D44C9mJWFUWtg= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:03:11 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Text around table 1 confusing (#4270) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99882f7bd3a_5a19b4800b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:03:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99882f7bd3a_5a19b4800b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This appears to be a duplicate of #4268. The whole is a 62-bit ID, and there is not a defined term for the 60-bit portion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4270#issuecomment-717993893 ----==_mimepart_5f99882f7bd3a_5a19b4800b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This appears to be a duplicate of #4268. The whole is a 62-bit ID, and there is not a defined term for the 60-bit portion.

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----==_mimepart_5f99882f7bd3a_5a19b4800b4-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:08:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE793A0A6A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:08:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJo5vAcqXHPm for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6ACB3A09DA for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-96106af.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.121.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 13471520D38 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603897687; bh=+xUvnun7kvsUBpji7nMwag6N4ZfnBvfmCXd8kjz65pw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SKdGy0pbsAY46yAXvhej7yFxXSR/VVLNSrrRhTkU0FRq0KWYWRcS3DfK3LG6eN1mQ IhakzdnUnnUV+n6yhzuzCdc0uCgBZ9VBxgX9GXnwtmsvArP53TALFT/rugKt4xCxGU VR6qdMmGScFP6FGZIc1ZqmwOJhECawlvJVIivxwA= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:08:07 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Only packet you can trust to explore the path is a QUIC packet (#4274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f998957fa6c_5319b41252b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:08:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f998957fa6c_5319b41252b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you expand on the worry? The section doesn't use ICMP to explore path sizes, only defines reactions to ICMP notifications of dropped packets. Further, "don't trust ICMP" seems to be exactly what it says: > An endpoint MUST NOT increase PMTU based on ICMP messages; see Section 3, clause 6 of [DPLPMTUD]. Any reduction in QUIC's maximum datagram size in response to ICMP messages MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4274#issuecomment-717997229 ----==_mimepart_5f998957fa6c_5319b41252b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Can you expand on the worry? The section doesn't use ICMP to explore path sizes, only defines reactions to ICMP notifications of dropped packets. Further, "don't trust ICMP" seems to be exactly what it says:

An endpoint MUST NOT increase PMTU based on ICMP messages; see Section 3, clause 6 of [DPLPMTUD]. Any reduction in QUIC's maximum datagram size in response to ICMP messages MAY be provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the quoted packet has actually been lost.

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----==_mimepart_5f998957fa6c_5319b41252b3-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:10:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6693A0B5E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMfjCZbnccJy for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4585E3A0B58 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-feacc2d.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.118.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 548E75E079F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603897793; bh=AJGiLSnbHT0o9z5l/J7dQzhI6wdR75nwd6ykn3VArhI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y8E9Nb91wWWzJMs4LlCnbzGhj8967WXdNszT0ACWsRQDs5j2rsCkVhxBwHkiMOsr0 9IgKFwpRn817ZFXy+8Bc5/0769BhqUqk7hk5PDdXZIS/hmCVcn+R2ks7uitfYgL0nS fNIbeMsm2q7M/Wr5Tonq8Gbhk5rSg5wq4TPaYr8o= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:09:53 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ask IANA to run an algorithm (#4276) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9989c1512fb_3d19b4719b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:10:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9989c1512fb_3d19b4719b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure we'll find out in the IANA review. Is the suggestion here that we should request a pre-review by IANA? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4276#issuecomment-717998418 ----==_mimepart_5f9989c1512fb_3d19b4719b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm sure we'll find out in the IANA review. Is the suggestion here that we should request a pre-review by IANA?

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Errors result in closing the connection, at which point the streams no longer have a state.

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----==_mimepart_5f998a014a53f_5619b4824b6-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:17:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740B53A0A83 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHaHN6GbY1v3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C9EF3A0A9A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fd67c8f.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.18.60]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6DB775C0EB1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:17:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603898229; bh=d0UtRLef3Yvahh3h1EkRTB37QZTqEppQcoIrtLuGa+Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=e0zHAuvtkozOiLjzSrWEsZkinuKZHtJId6c+Ou5zMAViBGbgYpavnfQPk/kHUAKA4 Y6P49hrUB7k47t53FYAn1A4rKfwYx+QX/ob0hJQsirQv92P8rIkcKjpDNgiC1wbkvU Sy2opEP+4pi3fUVsNiUcVvMNa8dPtov2Zgvz9M6U= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:17:09 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0x?a?a?a?a is somewhat pulled out of a hat (#4281) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f998b75695fa_4419b417178a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:17:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f998b75695fa_4419b417178a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The point of GREASE is that the values be easy to generate, but not clustered in the space (and thus more easily coded for). We used this pattern because it had already been successfully used in TLS for four-byte spaces. See RFC 8701. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4281#issuecomment-718003423 ----==_mimepart_5f998b75695fa_4419b417178a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The point of GREASE is that the values be easy to generate, but not clustered in the space (and thus more easily coded for). We used this pattern because it had already been successfully used in TLS for four-byte spaces. See RFC 8701.

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----==_mimepart_5f998b75695fa_4419b417178a-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:20:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA0A3A0A8E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:20:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7zw29sErnIay for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7A8A3A0A8C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-41fe3ef.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.21.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C7F2F5E0FF4 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603898412; bh=wWUvDmYsZL3VJsiiz8K9sY4fusFhsPurSS5Yp0VzrEA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Pzpu1GgBje+dttje6fIMSzHgauaU7TtRIF9FBVxt57Sm/vTHHZiyVR1aEultI4MCJ a82MykTifCLHz2nmXnW+4ncRKFyOA6GDjHMLSReaeQyytNDURQsHm2FsA1tG3ykZoF yElfXbF4OnxY00K3Tbn237nRF8ORD8/zmYrJT6mQ= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:20:12 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What units of time you are using (#4283) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f998c2cc3f28_4819b42058b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:20:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f998c2cc3f28_4819b42058b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann, a max needs to ensure both values use the same units. But provided that they do, I agree. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4283#issuecomment-718005605 ----==_mimepart_5f998c2cc3f28_4819b42058b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann, a max needs to ensure both values use the same units. But provided that they do, I agree.

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----==_mimepart_5f998c2cc3f28_4819b42058b-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:44:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C79D3A005E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K_2hC9EWeobT for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05F923A003E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4fff94b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.118.41]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 396DF560F82 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603899853; bh=ehrNIStkkvFvmUxWrgJa7k1JSc0yq7kvNwoGuShn5xo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zpf2IPdhpp43pspEmUQnvVZaMUv+9bdIGF7gbD0vkvFqs+j95PU51FHByqx8R+r+D ia2KNIA3wGy32FTAR9ZNXl8duEWTvLFRmJ7Qzsr7jjQnDaDhXcDvyKbqrJee0+Wu6l oJoC+DlRA72sxE8h8e3SdwcpSMBLWzfenxCAhirU= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:44:13 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What units of time you are using (#4283) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9991cd3618e_4719b419864a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:44:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9991cd3618e_4719b419864a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it's easier to say that these are all physical quantities, or numbers with units. In the specification, we use seconds, milliseconds, microseconds. That's fine, because we know how to align the units when we make calculations (e.g., max). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4283#issuecomment-718021966 ----==_mimepart_5f9991cd3618e_4719b419864a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Maybe it's easier to say that these are all physical quantities, or numbers with units. In the specification, we use seconds, milliseconds, microseconds. That's fine, because we know how to align the units when we make calculations (e.g., max).

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----==_mimepart_5f9991cd3618e_4719b419864a-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 08:51:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791A43A0976 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YcTWGoMd0Ior for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BC503A0924 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f680532.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.17.11]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 80BBC840F12 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:50:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603900254; bh=whRQmWwCYJcH+ufpm4z1aOLX+Oivw4zwV+7YuUFfvm4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X4iKsM5cBCYTqxmkoxwtRgNTpQjkwn12x8J7WMSxBm+Be7Zr95W8fvATVNNsLv8KE XAVTvx6iLKeWOG0velMaO+YeuGu5ug6Ve+MpnHPTQ4Om5faoRnC0ZHLHhj5MOgw8kK 5VFd22Dub9VuFMTtuSm7yTK8Ch1WpczqCAWUFyRU= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 08:50:54 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Identifier of the form "31 * N + 27" (#4294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99935e7b074_5719b414517f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:51:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99935e7b074_5719b414517f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Multiples of 31 ensures that they don't have a consistent bit signature but instead cycle through all of them; the 27 offset jumps over the region where we're defining things used in the core spec. But the point is actually that the reader not need to understand the rationale, because the recipient should simply ignore unknown values like they're defined to. Only the sender needs to be able to generate these, and this formula is a simple way to generate a value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4294#issuecomment-718026642 ----==_mimepart_5f99935e7b074_5719b414517f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Multiples of 31 ensures that they don't have a consistent bit signature but instead cycle through all of them; the 27 offset jumps over the region where we're defining things used in the core spec.

But the point is actually that the reader not need to understand the rationale, because the recipient should simply ignore unknown values like they're defined to. Only the sender needs to be able to generate these, and this formula is a simple way to generate a value.

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Perhaps simply "Example" there?

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----==_mimepart_5f99940a10db3_5119b4179069-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 09:44:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0B03A0408 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:44:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hC9RZJGYlfCm for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B00063A0779 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-34872bc.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E3C3A5C0F01 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603903456; bh=sXNS5j4YRofD4dc/XBi4JQfACMwZsG0PPFs8Cxm2tZ0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=srqXnW5U41JeNf+SQUvzd9v6qzXhjVbdo5Ul8XX6tEX3UK+JIoOBPPrgnQuaGd/Ou t2QSdkGg5bY2qHVPyvLEIhQ0KLI8f/HWjZ8uEoc/h/E7kkGppmNkjlynPFp4nOjFOx 3I83F/gmbaIRzMLF6gn8Rjv1MUWav4IdAeuGDLWw= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 09:44:16 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lead to fragment code-spaces (#4296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f999fe0e0088_4e19b494238"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:44:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f999fe0e0088_4e19b494238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The comment on 22.1.3 is a duplicate of #4275. The policy was selected to avoid incentives to "squat" on the next available value, causing deployment conflicts. Yes, theoretically lack of contiguous blocks could occur in the limit. However, the questions is what size block would be needed, and how many registrations would need to occur in a 62-bit space for there to be _no_ blocks of that size remaining. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4296#issuecomment-718062268 ----==_mimepart_5f999fe0e0088_4e19b494238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The comment on 22.1.3 is a duplicate of #4275.

The policy was selected to avoid incentives to "squat" on the next available value, causing deployment conflicts.

Yes, theoretically lack of contiguous blocks could occur in the limit. However, the questions is what size block would be needed, and how many registrations would need to occur in a 62-bit space for there to be no blocks of that size remaining.

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I agree that first sentence is hard to parse.

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I don't understand this comment. The text is silent because there is no choice of padding values -- PADDING frames have a defined frame type and no content.

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----==_mimepart_5f99c973e762b_3c19b44227d-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 12:48:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C7D3A005E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:48:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2B8VVmJo9D3g for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACB8B3A003E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-36cdb7e.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.110.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D6A0FE1DE3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:48:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603914505; bh=5hBwEq9B2y0hbcU5/YRpLHxfh7OIZhog1mSYj6wNlGM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lG6FNJwk0LlcgBAR1/tAAuJAbb+m06crAouNhjeSk5aChf4PsbjbM4HxZM1e0VNox C9saZWffUhIsste358xjM5jfhw+D6mt+wZQOAU3DQgUbKzOfCzYCiOYrAdWFAG6pTk g6n28D1q/2REAcHJF/Tgkv+TDFsuhiL43/nkJQ2Q= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:48:25 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explain format more (#4292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99cb09d377c_4219b46892a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:48:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99cb09d377c_4219b46892a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The notation is described in Section 1.3, before it is ever used in the document. It seems excessive to refer back to the diagram conventions from every diagram. I'm not sure what would make this clearer for a reader who doesn't read the introduction. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4292#issuecomment-718169138 ----==_mimepart_5f99cb09d377c_4219b46892a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The notation is described in Section 1.3, before it is ever used in the document. It seems excessive to refer back to the diagram conventions from every diagram. I'm not sure what would make this clearer for a reader who doesn't read the introduction.

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----==_mimepart_5f99cb09d377c_4219b46892a-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 12:57:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F43C3A0657 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LjQLwDB3r6Ap for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B8623A0639 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c0efc41.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.113.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 57CFA56008F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603915072; bh=v9B+rVdGD3lHh3CGPOgEqalReSZMt+Z8SwGhcnWPb3w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IYgTEHaIPdgzUTohm2EGgy/MnnkWBNICx0cvm3b+8wEhgUFDeWO5cCqqih1tOI+Ye 6Y6E0UTKwamtEShWKnUSclRyQWS4VyMz6wC42XqYKHtTd7HPFZt532PVQH5TQL4OzM xIZL+KOhcLIauj5yozLpvlaTvd/Lvk5rUovnSQQo= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:57:52 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] It is not clear how long the fields are (#4291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99cd4054a7c_3519b4195681"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:57:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99cd4054a7c_3519b4195681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, the diagrams are merely illustrative. If the text is not clear how long the fields are, that's an issue we should fix. However, the text seems to be fairly concrete about that for most of these fields: > Header Form: > The **most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte)** is set to 1 for long headers. > > Fixed Bit: > **The next bit (0x40) of byte 0** is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value for this bit are not valid packets in this version and MUST be discarded. > > Long Packet Type: > **The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x30) of byte 0** contain a packet type. Packet types are listed in Table 5. > > Type-Specific Bits: > **The lower four bits (those with a mask of 0x0f) of byte 0** are type-specific. > > Version: > The QUIC Version is a **32-bit** field that follows the first byte. This field indicates the version of QUIC that is in use and determines how the rest of the protocol fields are interpreted. > > Destination Connection ID Length: > **The byte** following the version contains the length in bytes of the Destination Connection ID field that follows it. This length is encoded as an **8-bit** unsigned integer. In QUIC version 1, this value MUST NOT exceed 20. Endpoints that receive a version 1 long header with a value larger than 20 MUST drop the packet. In order to properly form a Version Negotiation packet, servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions. > > Destination Connection ID: > The Destination Connection ID field follows the Destination Connection ID Length field, which indicates the length of this field. Section 7.2 describes the use of this field in more detail. > > Source Connection ID Length: > **The byte** following the Destination Connection ID contains the length in bytes of the Source Connection ID field that follows it. This length is encoded as a 8-bit unsigned integer. In QUIC version 1, this value MUST NOT exceed 20 bytes. Endpoints that receive a version 1 long header with a value larger than 20 MUST drop the packet. In order to properly form a Version Negotiation packet, servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions. > > Source Connection ID: > The Source Connection ID field follows the Source Connection ID Length field, which indicates the length of this field. Section 7.2 describes the use of this field in more detail. We should probably clarify that DCID/SCID lengths *in bytes* are given by the Length fields; that's not explicitly stated in the text. 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First, the diagrams are merely illustrative. If the text is not clear how long the fields are, that's an issue we should fix. However, the text seems to be fairly concrete about that for most of these fields:

Header Form:
The most significant bit (0x80) of byte 0 (the first byte) is set to 1 for long headers.

Fixed Bit:
The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value for this bit are not valid packets in this version and MUST be discarded.

Long Packet Type:
The next two bits (those with a mask of 0x30) of byte 0 contain a packet type. Packet types are listed in Table 5.

Type-Specific Bits:
The lower four bits (those with a mask of 0x0f) of byte 0 are type-specific.

Version:
The QUIC Version is a 32-bit field that follows the first byte. This field indicates the version of QUIC that is in use and determines how the rest of the protocol fields are interpreted.

Destination Connection ID Length:
The byte following the version contains the length in bytes of the Destination Connection ID field that follows it. This length is encoded as an 8-bit unsigned integer. In QUIC version 1, this value MUST NOT exceed 20. Endpoints that receive a version 1 long header with a value larger than 20 MUST drop the packet. In order to properly form a Version Negotiation packet, servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions.

Destination Connection ID:
The Destination Connection ID field follows the Destination Connection ID Length field, which indicates the length of this field. Section 7.2 describes the use of this field in more detail.

Source Connection ID Length:
The byte following the Destination Connection ID contains the length in bytes of the Source Connection ID field that follows it. This length is encoded as a 8-bit unsigned integer. In QUIC version 1, this value MUST NOT exceed 20 bytes. Endpoints that receive a version 1 long header with a value larger than 20 MUST drop the packet. In order to properly form a Version Negotiation packet, servers SHOULD be able to read longer connection IDs from other QUIC versions.

Source Connection ID:
The Source Connection ID field follows the Source Connection ID Length field, which indicates the length of this field. Section 7.2 describes the use of this field in more detail.

We should probably clarify that DCID/SCID lengths in bytes are given by the Length fields; that's not explicitly stated in the text.

As to the diagram format, I repeat my comment from the other issue: A backref from every diagram seems excessive to me; the document has a Notational Conventions section for terms and notations which are used throughout the document, and this is one of those.

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This is a duplicate of #4266.

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Probably a duplicate of #4266. These terms should be added to the definitions.

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----==_mimepart_5f99ce029bb56_4419b41947d1-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 13:11:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04333A09B5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYQkggdWD3UF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42C7D3A09B0 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-33e9849.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 648DB5C0E32 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:11:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603915878; bh=Wkcf0Y//ivneOjtgnECz6KqZ7X0sU7MImj5QqEyJUSI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xJxU/AHcaxy6NR1F+5QK04E3EG0AC3E3NJpQcjYP1ALhUietae7ko4RjqkWs46UNi awG6z68B5aKhuQVlKjpm+KHVR3pB8Nasyl0GV1gQoYTk+Q1mzYevn/PL0O6CLyJNrl h08n/8XZKP8RYnr8PZKpyE1lrHmsqeDACina4NUI= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:11:18 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Apply the 3x amplification-limit to migration too (#4264) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f99d06660b2b_ad519b47064c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:11:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f99d06660b2b_ad519b47064c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett approved this pull request. I think this LG. I left a few comments about using the word 'data' in this context, because we're really talking about bytes of UDP payload, and a reader could believe data is application/STREAM data. > +that responds to packets received from a new address limits the data it sends +to that address until the peer address is validated. Prior to validating the +peer's address, endpoints MUST NOT send data toward that address that exceeds +three times the amount of data received from that address. This three times ```suggestion that responds to packets received from a new address limits the packets it sends to that address until the peer address is validated. Prior to validating the peer's address, endpoints MUST NOT send packets toward that address that exceeds three times the amount of data received from that address. This three times ``` > @@ -2672,9 +2693,9 @@ might also occur because the client's access network used a different NAT binding for the server's preferred address. Servers SHOULD initiate path validation to the client's new address upon -receiving a probe packet from a different address. Servers MUST NOT send more -than a minimum congestion window's worth of non-probing packets to the new -address before path validation is complete. +receiving a probe packet from a different address. Before the client address +is validated, servers MUST NOT send more data on the path than three times the ```suggestion is validated, servers MUST NOT send more packets on the path than three times the ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#pullrequestreview-519030887 ----==_mimepart_5f99d06660b2b_ad519b47064c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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----==_mimepart_5f9a19ac6f13a_b4019b4973f3-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:24:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1063A05DF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4byk_OrHxjqG for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B1E63A0400 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-641158f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.114.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1638D56078C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:24:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603934689; bh=18Kvx3nQcWsGjBzEXo73cKxrJTX4dqqOEq+8xmUHyjs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UEox/FKzek8qmwLffED6fjYIBGB0At1tiEFd/XRNJlyszca1Tc2tXyRb1VrAliry2 XnIxoSk7gx5Br5VweKVQrvXjqEf+2lmoc0YZl/sF2QDRsBUxPPqb2QD+HqIkxuqF/U E7DCxu7fdqIi4oSZhFAeIR5eu5Jvf4KePM8SDj3s= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:24:49 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ttwo paras are quite confusing (#4271) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a19e11330e_16ac19b4284ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:24:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a19e11330e_16ac19b4284ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The paragraph preceding the first is this: > The maximum datagram size is defined as the largest size of UDP payload that can be sent across a network path using a single UDP datagram. So it is clear what the second paragraph means. QUIC doesn't operate if the network is incapable of carrying a datagram payload of 1200 bytes. I think that rewording that way might help. What is less clear is where the extra 32 (or 52) bytes go. In that we've been very generous in providing for header extensions or UDP extensions. But I don't see a need to explain that aspect. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4271#issuecomment-718300546 ----==_mimepart_5f9a19e11330e_16ac19b4284ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The paragraph preceding the first is this:

The maximum datagram size is defined as the largest size of UDP payload that can be sent across a network path using a single UDP datagram.

So it is clear what the second paragraph means. QUIC doesn't operate if the network is incapable of carrying a datagram payload of 1200 bytes. I think that rewording that way might help.

What is less clear is where the extra 32 (or 52) bytes go. In that we've been very generous in providing for header extensions or UDP extensions. But I don't see a need to explain that aspect.

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On endpoints.

Closes #4271.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a1ae3ed501_5ff19b4132729-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:29:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FEF3A0953 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:29:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PygjfKiEzBy1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE3F13A05DF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7fe6bbb.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.12]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 00FA45C00A5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:29:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603934969; bh=hok5WqThoAxa1sCsZ8Tvh7sq7uHw4XZ1LLXOoNPlOWs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=PKEwB7P+ZK0IrR4mzdE2rAe9W1FjsaJfUwFEcwsCy/0MyUV+nzYzx1S79TMde0ZYG 1lnhfgJ+1XqrxT/oyEmzt9WWd4c9BLjYdNEj92UEieQ04M2FTBS8OorAeLpFyXC4Of nXmsPZUT+4x49KM5Y8dE0db3qfYEyWaeIv+jqRqY= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:29:28 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1e8a54: Script updating gh-pages from 58adefa7. [ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:29:31 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 1e8a548c01630014ca3b1cf895bd7459105560d0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e8a548c01630014ca3b1cf895bd7459105560d0 Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M index.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-http.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html A issue4271/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt A issue4271/index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from 58adefa7. [ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:30:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5653A0140 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:30:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O3PZclXPV4Py for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFECE3A0121 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-e12406a.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.122.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 042EBE07A8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:30:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603935020; bh=D47OxflrElN1V/XAB/nmV/KFPc3CNkwpnntkDGYX3vc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VLZ34qbWGZtCLz4ST1ZQxEwBga6X78a/9GjFhh78/tl80hndyPSo1rrZK5xV1Kfn1 yd0n6tTxJWmKjsEdfgnWVgBh6ahRJzlOZYTed/aQLjJMJhv7Uf12chfOWO+6hY04TK LCKnzulaU9zeCkvRK1hr1RfHcQnIPCTWQUfzTv+w= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:30:20 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Again unclear (#4272) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a1b2c1293_4b19b4105842"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:30:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1b2c1293_4b19b4105842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that the response to #4271 addresses this one and this should be closed with no action. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think that the response to #4271 addresses this one and this should be closed with no action.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a1b2c1293_4b19b4105842-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:32:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1583A0953 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:32:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HuOyd_CUmmuJ for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CFAD3A05DF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d750055.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.28]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CFA54520D8B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:32:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603935127; bh=zKUUohB0hNLUB1n1/dzx2yArQWnOd9Nqry+1306bbFk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KSyjzHM2mcn4+zUx25JGjWR4Txykg8xLVHrkAZa8PkH8DWdWUlcqo/TCOn9ryrsiM Wm5EnnDB6JLnQONOS7pQ/skPb2ChB7qYtA/o0uf8sltry+qS18WKmWrtN524zXsp1j gGoKrDYV2y1I+1r2xZqZWsMkDU5vlu7TgExYGyR4= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:32:07 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Re-writing for clarity (#4273) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a1b97c26f1_3319b4183487"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:32:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1b97c26f1_3319b4183487 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find this text perfectly clear, so I will need help in identifying in what ways the text lacks clarity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4273#issuecomment-718302668 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1b97c26f1_3319b4183487 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I find this text perfectly clear, so I will need help in identifying in what ways the text lacks clarity.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a1b97c26f1_3319b4183487-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:34:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E4F3A07B2 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:34:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2H4j5JrvzLmW for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFB543A05DF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-79d9857.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 36BB85E0E53 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:34:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603935251; bh=3o2SDwsMGTG7OpPOcPIDbbDnaOF0cOMxru0keYogkqg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=W+jAISQLoGeJjZKM8G41IcEE1VsZArX59QWMKxb8MXzqFDaKSs2pmidAFUZ+Lfhba 2JLN20P82EZar973imYPXlzk/uPyS/AMznxUxlRECWDKu8lp9NbPmQLFIoS7w4GZev ZLT9FpwbCy/GNHK9hxmIO8KXaGmGPtI7jnU/gucM= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:34:11 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reclaiming is very hard (#4275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a1c1331b35_18a119b41119dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:34:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1c1331b35_18a119b41119dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not an issue. I agree that it could be hard, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't allow for the option. And we expect the need for reclamation to be low. I suggest that we close this with no action. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4275#issuecomment-718303203 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1c1331b35_18a119b41119dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is not an issue. I agree that it could be hard, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't allow for the option. And we expect the need for reclamation to be low. I suggest that we close this with no action.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a1c1331b35_18a119b41119dd-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:35:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D003A095D for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:35:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3WhGA57EuFD for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 968103A0953 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-cb003f3.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.24.91]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AD6A4340D55 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603935345; bh=EZ8XxbToGPxZEccto01nhI/Y89RoxYTrx/5E23CqeW0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=apFK4fcEEdPBluaBGRY533Hb7MYz/s9IWBdPyQ195Szjfk9Mu0Uw2SSnegYl0oY9s vGzgLle2HbEyrt0SlN3LZox9rVOsYr6MLg6SwlsjBu1yY+g68vVNi8BLo4P6QLl7BX CmRKRKI7tkumsdwMTHOUCv8ajzLl43RG81jXBeUw= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:35:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pulling of 2^60 out of a hat (#4279) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a1c71aa533_12a919b41183e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:35:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1c71aa533_12a919b41183e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that the length of the necessary explanation is worth the effort, but would be happy to see a suggestion for text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4279#issuecomment-718303647 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1c71aa533_12a919b41183e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that the length of the necessary explanation is worth the effort, but would be happy to see a suggestion for text.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a1c71aa533_12a919b41183e6-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 18:38:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067753A097C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:38:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EjxI0AX5tiyG for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB0953A097B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-7247464.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 137063407F0 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:38:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603935511; bh=oMM2uwdP8m+c2nOhik9Ercl/2I+sIdHR7DnFQNgDf+0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Q6p4uoR12pKjaJ2084r+ooV73rJn4nS/QasAJkmm97OKa7tVoX26TIDVMFZTMWg+Z g2RNsR5YNi3yZG1x1FmBJ2A84//UpoJPbt6WkZVrNjITWWhG4JlmN6toTPD9vxMs3g Fruu8YEatdz/veGIbphjtbsu7bf4MwFUtIzR2iJQ= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:38:31 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] a356bb: Cite the notation section the first time it is used Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 01:38:33 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/issue4284 Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a356bbba6df96cd0e599b390455819523b539807 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a356bbba6df96cd0e599b390455819523b539807 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Cite the notation section the first time it is used Closes #4284. 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I guess the only thing being that this is the first time the notation introduced in Section 1.3 is used. And now it is Section 10.3. I'll add a cross reference. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4284#issuecomment-718304578 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1d4a377e2_3419b4658cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This seems like a nit. I guess the only thing being that this is the first time the notation introduced in Section 1.3 is used. And now it is Section 10.3. I'll add a cross reference.

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4308 -- Commit Summary -- * Cite the notation section the first time it is used -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4308.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4308.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4308 ----==_mimepart_5f9a1d55260f5_4619b4107b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closes #4284.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a1d55260f5_4619b4107b-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 19:25:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376D03A0B66 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.482 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.482 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i5GCDjOfgIc7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB7563A0B67 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-fe36cb7.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.111.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F028D5C0E3C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603938312; bh=UlVrgHc9ELq3o17SpWlOVmTAAYrIO0VSDOnvOG8aNkw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KQpUFaEozNeVqMgBmA1hw6byjt/jL+qD8c8n6vVo/4kpbEXRjRFS7+k44bsmcR1qo 5yCFGU1S7qzjXZNg2+uN4pzqVacFXf/lFlPT/Owd4LxI1L0Zqe03VIFapS93mt7mB/ EN3aaXIiPsAZ3NkdjCaWeaSez93GD3A8quHdXXZg= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:25:12 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] We do not know what a packet looks like (#4285) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a2808ebc12_3019b4134063"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 02:25:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a2808ebc12_3019b4134063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The encoding of a packet is specifically not relevant at this point. I think that the question is whether it is reasonable to expect that readers have internalized [this paragraph](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-1-7): > Frames are used in QUIC to communicate between endpoints. One or more frames are assembled into a QUIC packet. QUIC authenticates all packets and encrypts as much as is practical. QUIC packets are carried in UDP datagrams ([UDP]) to better facilitate deployment in existing systems and networks. There is a reasonable criticism here in that the level of detail in the stateless reset description is too much too early. It would be nicer if some of the more detailed stuff here were deferred until later. Unfortunately, it is hard to extricate this from the other more generic stuff in Section 10. So I'm not seeing any real way to improve this without making things worse in other ways. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4285#issuecomment-718318019 ----==_mimepart_5f9a2808ebc12_3019b4134063 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The encoding of a packet is specifically not relevant at this point. I think that the question is whether it is reasonable to expect that readers have internalized this paragraph:

Frames are used in QUIC to communicate between endpoints. One or more frames are assembled into a QUIC packet. QUIC authenticates all packets and encrypts as much as is practical. QUIC packets are carried in UDP datagrams ([UDP]) to better facilitate deployment in existing systems and networks.

There is a reasonable criticism here in that the level of detail in the stateless reset description is too much too early. It would be nicer if some of the more detailed stuff here were deferred until later. Unfortunately, it is hard to extricate this from the other more generic stuff in Section 10.

So I'm not seeing any real way to improve this without making things worse in other ways.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a2b80b4b20_1f4319b422052-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 20:49:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7133A0121 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:49:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vjQqGYJSIh3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFCE93A00C4 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-834a09b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.110.25]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E5199560D29 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603943351; bh=poyJmOEWtEfHH0ms/3/b97cSKDFMv7PsDsEjOFKnB7o=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tc0PdmYxhWWma4ZZEX0H601fK9q4x2vLYRib5uMnvqMz/Oq8xvPMvSalWD+i/J7J4 s99CWpXUjrFudKVN5aivUz3MIoVJP3USWWYvcOEW7xwq4Z6mKIhsTKQO2SmlFvOpnY ijtiUcywZx8gGrvH3TpFNbj9SYB5NMP3JTIQ4+34= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:49:11 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Non-reusable number space (#4287) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a3bb7e1c86_5419b4186648"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 03:49:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a3bb7e1c86_5419b4186648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that [this text](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-12.3-10) is sufficient: > A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same packet number space in one connection. It's not at the top of that section, but it isn't the most important thing to know either. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4287#issuecomment-718341751 ----==_mimepart_5f9a3bb7e1c86_5419b4186648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that this text is sufficient:

A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same packet number space in one connection.

It's not at the top of that section, but it isn't the most important thing to know either.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a3bb7e1c86_5419b4186648-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 20:56:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8D53A097B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2YzFk4udzbj6 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 423C63A067A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c174b39.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.109.25]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6855052009A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:56:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603943799; bh=NePTLSdXIWtIoR+StmueZxJuvw/Wvy+db60kr9KJZiY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bhl015hNwpwUFW9rxYysb6tBc7sgcou1OOVylxyur2ZPGLSwTemafNJpXb5UIIsn9 cIV3RQm9zcfZ43YTv9XiWq1ue/PKr2WRyR0PXxsxt6b93/YqMRNEYvGWD/aVkf+O/A XnsGUxHX1JEmB2DOIvlMDoyYaFL0mahoYvK8A2oM= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:56:39 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] It would be helpful to explain why (#4293) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a3d7764fcb_f8419b413563b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 03:56:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a3d7764fcb_f8419b413563b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In short, this allows us to ensure that a middlebox can't spoof Retry packets. That's a simple explanation, but to write that down is tricky because in a specification you then need to explain *how* the different pieces fit together to achieve this. That draws in a bunch of other bits. This includes the particulars of connection ID negotiation and the function of the connection ID transport parameters. In this case, we determined that the cost of including the justification exceeds the value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4293#issuecomment-718343675 ----==_mimepart_5f9a3d7764fcb_f8419b413563b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In short, this allows us to ensure that a middlebox can't spoof Retry packets.

That's a simple explanation, but to write that down is tricky because in a specification you then need to explain how the different pieces fit together to achieve this. That draws in a bunch of other bits. This includes the particulars of connection ID negotiation and the function of the connection ID transport parameters. In this case, we determined that the cost of including the justification exceeds the value.

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Closes #4297.

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 04:02:06 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 22ad64cddcc752ae7c1bf08de7adf81e736d615c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/22ad64cddcc752ae7c1bf08de7adf81e736d615c Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M index.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-http.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html A issue4297/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt A issue4297/index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from f4cc0c81. 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@ianswett, I was intentionally avoiding "packets" here as the amplification inputs is the size of the UDP payload, and the rules here also use that. Would "bytes" or "bytes of UDP payload" be better?

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Closes #4299. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4310 -- Commit Summary -- * Tweak framing of frames table -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (18) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4310.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4310.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4310 ----==_mimepart_5f9a4525afffe_b7a19b420982b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Less detail above, but a pointer to what follows.

Closes #4299.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a4525afffe_b7a19b420982b-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 21:31:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06C83A08B8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:31:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 634PE1lnHqvH for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8F313A03F8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d25b836.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.38]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0CCD760004F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:31:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603945894; bh=FsaSPUzCrlLKMkxRqa0axUPk5k49fvQHZCRl7mKZ2n4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pQeb9h/5EbP3xeizmbXZDxj2q01qhBtJ+4L+pqkTAnT3qp877u8AQecped/wg9fT+ oBTItJa5M44iQtY5Z6I8ljFlItcd/GH45hxG5PEKh0/tKiX4GkZNnCj4UwIHZZghKe VK5p/6PRSfjvD3WJt7E9rkOnKR6vnvtIzAdsh0jM= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:31:34 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Conversion pseudo code would be helpful (#4300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a45a695a4_4a19b422620"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 04:31:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a45a695a4_4a19b422620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that any change is needed here. It says "in hexadecimal" and "decimal value" right there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4300#issuecomment-718352787 ----==_mimepart_5f9a45a695a4_4a19b422620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that any change is needed here. It says "in hexadecimal" and "decimal value" right there.

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Closes #4303.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 28 22:36:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52853A0B5C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:36:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0T06ozUCxIRO for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 033BA3A0B5A for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-612452b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.117.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 35336840626 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:36:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603949803; bh=bvZyYSdt3TiTuaWuD1LRVPUmcFHeWWBExlSXIvQeVks=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SY2j6x77fXNuIuBgSfMpxm750YWH4SoyG3y62lgFPGjQP7qO3oCSDxwPGDWCWHyUP j2CdG9hs7PExqwagxGBfsDszlaMnBxnccYsKatp8uuewySzqzTu9WP3pJ5k/9o843Y XrBOWnqR9+X8VjaRM0NLeeOXr/xFuil7pftROPqw= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:36:43 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Congestion consequences of CRYPTO buffering (#4282) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a54eb318db_3e19b4385986"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 05:36:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a54eb318db_3e19b4385986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As @marten-seemann says, this buffer only matters to the extent that it consumes storage. 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As @marten-seemann says, this buffer only matters to the extent that it consumes storage. In order to send this data, the congestion controller will have to allow sending, but this is entirely orthogonal.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a54eb318db_3e19b4385986-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 22:38:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE283A0B5F for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 421a3IikgU-o for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36AB03A0B5C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-a154f61.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.69]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6CA57560CC2 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:38:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603949902; bh=zwcDxY0/UoPhZ5EbF6SYd4H30LHjQktbZEbTetQSQCM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hTol9vtXZMx8X/igltDcFuiZXyv2OsgX8jrekY1E5sLSEC6bx/Z3o6ZVbcgWGLcHg WFKOSYXmpuY/RL1AssdsmLmcswIkuzndsGRf40W3GBisEF9O1LD8PqjmqbB2/0qBNP zZBfKfEarQssq5BROkCtYTMR4yeDM36DmW/p3dZM= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:38:22 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 62 bits pulled out of a hat (#4268) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a554e68d9b_5f3019b464997"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 05:38:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a554e68d9b_5f3019b464997 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What Mike says. The inference that stream identifiers are encoded as variable-length integers is - I hope - obvious enough not to require explicit text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4268#issuecomment-718371973 ----==_mimepart_5f9a554e68d9b_5f3019b464997 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What Mike says. The inference that stream identifiers are encoded as variable-length integers is - I hope - obvious enough not to require explicit text.

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Mike is right. Closing this in favour of #4268.

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Closed #4270.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a55c031ce_33b919b427586b-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 22:44:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7F13A0B66 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:44:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7xdFznIKKhc for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AF993A0B64 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-27fea81.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.37]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 73E1F5E0AE8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:44:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603950296; bh=1ZITMUeKuz3wNsAzyHb5wiQJhURBHojvceDoXQqEwQ8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xnr2+rT7Y9jYMvHIgmRad/mVGVSgIzM9xdaqn6wD2E3F1DCgrtsx9vsPjo/achPH5 ZkkuAc6UiKpNLgvGxNxfrAqHLLfcS2uJiHpJmtXfFPNf5TUun4gULQtUFsUBZTiPzq ZojDV1jk2fWi+ixJc6JmQHpVKpNdXyJ7Wf+cgsv4= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:44:56 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Advice for middlebox authors (#4305) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a56d8706f2_5df319b41367fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 05:44:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a56d8706f2_5df319b41367fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand the concern, but of the options I can think of, doing nothing seems best. I considered: 1. Moving this text to Section 2 (and removing the redundant point to the appendix) 2. Moving this text to a new section entitled "Middlebox Considerations" or some such 3. Doing nothing I think we can justify this on the basis that these can be thought of as attacks. Maybe not on the protocol, or specific deployments of it, but on the ability of the protocol to evolve. Critically, these are attacks that this draft does not protect against. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4305#issuecomment-718374053 ----==_mimepart_5f9a56d8706f2_5df319b41367fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I understand the concern, but of the options I can think of, doing nothing seems best.

I considered:

  1. Moving this text to Section 2 (and removing the redundant point to the appendix)
  2. Moving this text to a new section entitled "Middlebox Considerations" or some such
  3. Doing nothing

I think we can justify this on the basis that these can be thought of as attacks. Maybe not on the protocol, or specific deployments of it, but on the ability of the protocol to evolve. Critically, these are attacks that this draft does not protect against.

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This is about preserving endpoint memory resources. There is a whole document on what we do to preserve the network. Not seeing an action here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4278#issuecomment-718379021 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5a28d68fc_3619b442854d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, there are multiple defenses that QUIC employs. This is about preserving endpoint memory resources. There is a whole document on what we do to preserve the network.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a5a28d68fc_3619b442854d-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:05:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8433A0BA1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:05:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13atwnhLcVeL for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C7E93A0B9C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-26b0cf8.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.109.78]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 86577902615 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:05:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603951527; bh=DRldb8qgeXcYZ9f8+mQvEze+BLsTKw9kmbT+HbJpYmw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=glT+/7PsRU0UzlvsiwOiPL6zP0bThC41TTP9lbuJ5JgGW8U5gZG/zDPmU+cJCBVmS qfNBiJcRndx2QrlwZRiz44T3Mv75pImWBsFSqpxMjDQTSq/Dc1U1brg7SwLT4mShxC kpNyS4MuQfBROjjoBaXOoW7TX/0mIe6AGsUDpBtE= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:05:27 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Looking for a protocol definition (#4267) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a5ba781c31_6da819b49274d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:05:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5ba781c31_6da819b49274d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the benefit of others, who might struggle with "ST", like I did. "ST" == standards-track. I don't know what sort of protocol definition is contemplated here. There is RFC 4101, I guess. If you look at that, the information RFC 4101 suggests be included is there already. The introduction lays out the actors involved and what they hope to do and how they do it in general terms. And the handshake section (7) shows some example handshake exchanges. As for the use of diagrams, what Mike said applies. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4267#issuecomment-718381403 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5ba781c31_6da819b49274d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For the benefit of others, who might struggle with "ST", like I did. "ST" == standards-track.

I don't know what sort of protocol definition is contemplated here. There is RFC 4101, I guess.

If you look at that, the information RFC 4101 suggests be included is there already. The introduction lays out the actors involved and what they hope to do and how they do it in general terms. And the handshake section (7) shows some example handshake exchanges.

As for the use of diagrams, what Mike said applies.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a5ba781c31_6da819b49274d-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:09:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D623A0BA5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=2.059, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUCzZXXhH4XF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71DCB3A0BA4 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-90394c5.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.109.29]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF4EA5C0E28 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:09:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603951772; bh=7lYyMnXf23oVwJ2TULWn3FKtXzej7cMBXMtO5L9iLjo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OhgRsYywEfKxH+K/8lk3tgYylOf1PNrN+PCy6nnMNI461utjaGgNp5ByNOpjuE2hS HYfCwYwOYIR0XeFczIAhz1TbMi5ceK4alVR4mMwgEouCwmb6F//RGfrNS6ui0AzLpc wLvhTz4Le72aPhiIiNEG+QQ3oOhy8x+WP0EG8ta4= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:09:32 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ask IANA to run an algorithm (#4276) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a5c9caa8cd_6e9d19b4668a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:09:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5c9caa8cd_6e9d19b4668a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that this issue is actionable. As Mike says, we'll find out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4276#issuecomment-718382880 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5c9caa8cd_6e9d19b4668a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that this issue is actionable. As Mike says, we'll find out.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a5c9caa8cd_6e9d19b4668a3-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:12:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFEC3A0BAD for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:12:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WVCZoVkEk9aa for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C5713A0BA9 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-597a55e.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.115.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C2B7F5E0E1E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:12:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603951937; bh=QRqDI+YVgg1AREqXARvemrsHKJHE5/2ii9bdiqABdl4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=riUaHN9xBXtKn7zMfRJCgatsj1HC9VAnqUY2O+HJZbN0kMd+9R902QG7RjwI9x9O4 JDwmkvy6/wo0BvqBRWkY4wAgJTJPhAzKK3c6SBKOxjfzGW7e+AxFW0jezZV3jA4X2j fJKhF+Pd/Z1K0tNJDGbK2bLcsJ7pOvidtSRn8cFA= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:12:17 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Error states missing (#4277) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a5d41bf451_514319b4223923"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:12:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5d41bf451_514319b4223923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we'd need something more concrete for this to be actionable. As this state machine has been implemented a number of times now, I don't believe that we've missed any states. And, as Mike says, many error states are not relevant as genuine errors result in the connection closing. Of course, there are far fewer concrete errors than you might first think. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4277#issuecomment-718383911 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5d41bf451_514319b4223923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think we'd need something more concrete for this to be actionable. As this state machine has been implemented a number of times now, I don't believe that we've missed any states.

And, as Mike says, many error states are not relevant as genuine errors result in the connection closing. Of course, there are far fewer concrete errors than you might first think.

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I don't plan to do anything with this feedback. Like other questions we've received, this doesn't really warrant an explanation.

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PR #4263 proposes removing the text in question. Of course, it doesn't matter what time units are in use in this case. I'm fairly confident that where units matter (i.e., we base the value on a constant), the units are explicit. Here, the units are part of the definition of the variables.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a5e079c587_74e519b458461-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:19:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BA23A0BB2 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WDF5uSMZTzx3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84DD43A0BB8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d9d22cc.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.102.60]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CBEF0600207 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:19:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603952346; bh=XhY4fty+WwnT5VK17JzQh3TrHAXwtKyhrGtUQ/XJNh4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IFP+3/vYL5s7XtfZmegMN91F85z68pjXJEaHsYGGSnI13SEd+UVYbt+2KXjWAHnOW ULUptmbLoxHCT0pmI1YmTuHbjFOtBkAix4IC2cji51ew3PUla1B+ww4e7zjaWDj7g2 VDnE7npfTWlxlMNN5meIx0RxPu9BNhlLwOBrZ7aY= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:19:06 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Example Structure (#4298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a5edac8b9e_6d0719b416071a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:19:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5edac8b9e_6d0719b416071a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As we use whitespace in other places, not including whitespace in the example could cause problems later. I think that this is a consequence of trying to read these diagrams too closely, that's all. I would be opposed to any change here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4298#issuecomment-718386601 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5edac8b9e_6d0719b416071a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As we use whitespace in other places, not including whitespace in the example could cause problems later. I think that this is a consequence of trying to read these diagrams too closely, that's all. I would be opposed to any change here.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a5edac8b9e_6d0719b416071a-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:23:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD71E3A0BB8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22hLAWvmiRS6 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 776673A0BB2 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-834a09b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.110.25]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CAC87520AC7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:22:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603952578; bh=uGvgd1pYL08rZDL1laQBpKX/nNa98cKazHjaJWFxqHQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BjokG2yY4LLW8giMzYmyez8zy19TWRKSQyU4vkiJGnEOB6C87tf5HUDRjHjA3PxhX rWxC0Z4QH6Q8cWinPHgjWYyHWwePRrG5NbNFcsUxNkSGllr5jIddVX4poDWs5Ofi33 mhZA2FPxIRU5IgTo0Zadbxdl6rUCnGeNhK0ii42Y= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:22:58 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lead to fragment code-spaces (#4296) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a5fc2c72f1_77f919b41225a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:23:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5fc2c72f1_77f919b41225a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Mike says, it is hard to conceive of any human being able to approve registrations at a rate sufficient to exhaust the available space. That is, unless the blocks are extremely broad, suggesting that they registration might be denied for being spammy. In any case, where a block is desired it is likely to be more efficient to acquire a single codepoint with a short encoding and then encode additional information in the associated value. As this is second-guessing a carefully negotiated aspect of the protocol, I don't think that a change is warranted here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4296#issuecomment-718388124 ----==_mimepart_5f9a5fc2c72f1_77f919b41225a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As Mike says, it is hard to conceive of any human being able to approve registrations at a rate sufficient to exhaust the available space. That is, unless the blocks are extremely broad, suggesting that they registration might be denied for being spammy.

In any case, where a block is desired it is likely to be more efficient to acquire a single codepoint with a short encoding and then encode additional information in the associated value.

As this is second-guessing a carefully negotiated aspect of the protocol, I don't think that a change is warranted here.

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I also agree regarding the first. As this is an alternative description, and I don't have anything better to offer, I plan not to change anything unless someone offers something good.

The second seems fine.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a6052278cb_4f0719b4318090-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:30:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794043A0BBB for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:30:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.006 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.006 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xNJSk2B1oaXG for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 563C73A0BCF for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-6026723.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.121.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6A2A460059E for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:30:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603953023; bh=7TjW3Kt3jjKtVkkVhhmjjU0NRM+HZzeGTnJh1XZxmRU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jToA6JpXVPDamjd5CoCei4bWKspLn4HK708UvGTZv42AltLR4/hrD8/OSpcZ7oRIu X3TfwkI6um1ziVJqbh8w6itP3Qe8rKxcPUpC8jroWj+XgG0PEozixFj47LBtWproyW kPgwZfgB8/bVDPEm3zHy1CoFwCCfILTkBYXSf+10= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:30:23 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Choice of padding values (#4295) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a617f6699a_606e19b41854ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:30:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a617f6699a_606e19b41854ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that this is raising the known-difficult problem of knowing when and how much to pad. That is something that other documents have addressed by saying "we provide the tools, but don't show you how to use them". That is absent here, so this is a fair criticism. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4295#issuecomment-718391026 ----==_mimepart_5f9a617f6699a_606e19b41854ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe that this is raising the known-difficult problem of knowing when and how much to pad. That is something that other documents have addressed by saying "we provide the tools, but don't show you how to use them". That is absent here, so this is a fair criticism.

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We only offer PADDING frames as they are known to be useful in existing strategies. Closes #4295. 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We explicitly don't recommend anything for defeating traffic analysis.
We only offer PADDING frames as they are known to be useful in existing
strategies.

Closes #4295.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4312

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:40:19 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: aa7c5a102a126bd32fb6b73e5df9544397c1495a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa7c5a102a126bd32fb6b73e5df9544397c1495a Author: ID Bot Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M index.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-http.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html A padding-howto/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt A padding-howto/index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from 078cb064. [ci skip] From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:42:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A683A03F3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:42:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BdlVXUVHgqMn for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 708123A03F8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-c2f8b70.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AEA6F560AD7 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:42:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603953750; bh=8AyjC77tHyleoO5Tr4nM8rk0ah+pK7+8GKHPm0SVbHQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LOWyTX2YVKVHxvjkTDwzv3FNtkdcclz6fP+GjFsTw1HuiFKuaqq8ozummAx10L1Yx wWnr5G/3uIjc68VFh7OGYU25MF4sYvQQQceLDOTOSvCnkH4ZcbcMZUReSPC0LKfEzZ PPGW0hMjK7Wjc2Zse3NRWPXAPLLIuV9uBeU2J0QQ= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:42:30 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] It is not clear how long the fields are (#4291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a6456aa498_3619b4561411"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:42:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a6456aa498_3619b4561411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop, I think that it is clear: > Destination Connection ID Length: > The byte following the version contains the length **in bytes** of the Destination Connection ID field that follows it. 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@MikeBishop, I think that it is clear:

Destination Connection ID Length:
The byte following the version contains the length in bytes of the Destination Connection ID field that follows it.

Based on that, I don't see any action here.

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----==_mimepart_5f9a646b562a9_358c19b4399280-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 23:43:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E1C3A03F8 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bqfsi7X6w6C1 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-25.smtp.github.com (out-25.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEFA23A03F3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-1b47257.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.110.71]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 264878407F3 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:43:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603953782; bh=wwuVGVd73LTCgyhy1/oc0J5GAGuMK4aqIHZHRJY+eZE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xjVoEi5LikdUknX5G+6+aU5WXVi27fdjwDTVowKNQs5zQQMH/TNOxRWbPk8yxtEX9 ZV30dBozzWlm0d+AF2FND93qPl90mGOWB+ONZItDrnmjQ3To/L5zkU9q16q4fzl107 1r/dvvnWhfRgwAgNl1293TCu5KPTXMPFHGCxXkJQ= Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 23:43:02 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a definition for "frame" (#4313) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9a6476229e0_9b819b4974c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 06:43:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9a6476229e0_9b819b4974c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I struggled with this a little. Happy to take suggestions. Closes #4266. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313 -- Commit Summary -- * Add a definition for "frame" -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (28) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313 ----==_mimepart_5f9a6476229e0_9b819b4974c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I struggled with this a little. Happy to take suggestions.

Closes #4266.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

I guess what distinguishes this from other cases is that there is an opportunity to signal an error.

However, in general we have avoided signaling this, because losing a path doesn't mean losing the connection.

I think that this is an error case where NO_ERROR almost makes sense. Though I wouldn't be opposed to defining a NO_VIABLE_PATH error for this specific case.

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I think that the packet number spaces caused a little confusion here: they multiply the number of packets (in theory, in practice they just add a small fixed number).

It's good systems design to be prepared to lose fragile resources like connections, so I'm very happy that packet numbers eventually run out. I would almost have been happier with a lower limit, but this is where we ended up.

BTW, the connection flow control limit is more likely to be the limit that applications hit (at least if you don't consider DATAGRAM).

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Commit: 41dcfaba561d182ef37d2843f3d62cfb29a2a0f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41dcfaba561d182ef37d2843f3d62cfb29a2a0f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Padding non-HOWTO We explicitly don't recommend anything for defeating traffic analysis. We only offer PADDING frames as they are known to be useful in existing strategies. Closes #4295. Commit: 5e08f5a8fc246df04ce861b7e84890fb5fd49970 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e08f5a8fc246df04ce861b7e84890fb5fd49970 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a definition for "frame" I struggled with this a little. Happy to take suggestions. Closes #4266. 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In my design, upon thinking on connection migration attack vectors, I've been worried about another type of exploit. It is more critical in my opinion than bandwidth amplification, and it also affects QUIC. So, regarding QUIC, when a connection migration is initiated, from the current specification[0], "An endpoint can migrate a connection to a new local address by sending packets containing non-probing frames from that address." Sending a non-probing packet would trigger a PATH_CHALLENGE message from the other peer in an implementation following those specs to enter in path validation. Essentially, it means that a client can, on-demand, trigger a PATH_CHALLENGE from the server. In the specification[1], the PATH_CHALLENGE is containing an unpredictable payload. More formally, it is meant to be indistinguishable from the output of a random function. In practice, there are different ways to compute this "unpredictable" payload, with critical differences. The naive approach is to use unsecure randomness random(), and then putting it in the PATH_CHALLENGE. Another approach would be to use secure randomness to satisfy the current specifications. That is, putting the output of SecureRandom() to the PATH_CHALLENGE. Ironically, the second approach is worrying me. That is, the current protocol specifications may provide incentives to implement a protocol channel to allow any client to query the server's PRNG output on-demand, and with probably a consequent amount of randomness bandwidth. We know from history that this is not a great idea, especially is the presence of potential weaknesses within the PRNG (intentional or not). The most appealing example is the backdoored Dual EC PRNG, for which the "backdoor holder" would only need to bruteforce 16 bits to recover the internal state and predict any new outcome. This is possible as soon as enough of the Duac EC output is observed. In the case of Dual EC, and assuming that the PATH_CHALLENGE contains 16 bytes of randomness, the attacker would only need to trigger 3 PATH_CHALLENGE to predict the PRNG's next outcomes (assuming P256 base points). Of course, Dual EC is an extreme case, for which the randomness could still be available from other protocol materials (e.g., ConnIDs or keys), but we should anyway avoid specifying a protocol that would offer Secure Randomness easily, and not under the peer's control. I suggest to specify what "unpredictability" means and how to compute it and iterate over multiple "unpredictable" payloads. A goal would be to make clear that we want as few as possible outputs from SecureRandom() to avoid for e.g., a client to have an oracle access to the Server's PRNG. A solution could be to use a simple Hash function and R, 16 bytes of randomness only known by the server and global to all sessions. Then a PATH_CHALLENGE could contain, with SESSION_SERCRET the shared derived secret of the session: Challenge_1 = H(SESSION_SECRET || R) Then, the next one: Challenge_2 = H(Challenge_1 || R) ... Challenge_i = H(Challenge_i-1 || R) This maintains unpredictability, assuming a cryptographic hash function and R secret. I guess that other constructions are possible as well, using HKDF for example. I would also suggest looking into other places for which "unpredictability" is needed, and evaluate whether it could provide good oracle access to the other peer, and if we can be more exigent into the specifications to make sure to avoid those issues. [0] https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#initiating-connection-migration-initiating-migration [1] https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#initiating-path-validation -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Dear QUIC designers,

I've been recently following the discussion on PATH_CHALLENGE/PATH_RESPONSE
attack scenarios, and for what it matters, I am also working on QUIC-like
capabilities above TCP. In my design, upon thinking on connection migration attack vectors,
I've been worried about another type of exploit. It is more critical in my opinion than
bandwidth amplification, and it also affects QUIC.

So, regarding QUIC, when a connection migration is initiated, from the current
specification[0], "An endpoint can migrate a connection to a new local address
by sending packets containing non-probing frames from that address." Sending
a non-probing packet would trigger a PATH_CHALLENGE message from the other
peer in an implementation following those specs to enter in path validation.

Essentially, it means that a client can, on-demand, trigger a PATH_CHALLENGE
from the server. In the specification[1], the PATH_CHALLENGE is containing an
unpredictable payload. More formally, it is meant to be indistinguishable from the output
of a random function. In practice, there are different ways to compute this
"unpredictable" payload, with critical differences.

The naive approach is to use unsecure randomness random(), and then putting it
in the PATH_CHALLENGE.

Another approach would be to use secure randomness to satisfy the current
specifications. That is, putting the output of SecureRandom() to the
PATH_CHALLENGE.

Ironically, the second approach is worrying me. That is, the current protocol
specifications may provide incentives to implement a protocol channel to allow
any client to query the server's PRNG output on-demand, and with probably a
consequent amount of randomness bandwidth.

We know from history that this is not a great idea, especially is the presence
of potential weaknesses within the PRNG (intentional or not). The most appealing
example is the backdoored Dual EC PRNG, for which the "backdoor holder" would
only need to bruteforce 16 bits to recover the internal state and predict any
new outcome. This is possible as soon as enough of the Duac EC output is
observed. In the case of Dual EC, and assuming that the PATH_CHALLENGE contains
16 bytes of randomness, the attacker would only need to trigger 3 PATH_CHALLENGE
to predict the PRNG's next outcomes (assuming P256 base points).

Of course, Dual EC is an extreme case, for which the randomness could still be
available from other protocol materials (e.g., ConnIDs or keys), but we should
anyway avoid specifying a protocol that would offer Secure Randomness easily,
and not under the peer's control.

I suggest to specify what "unpredictability" means and how to compute it
and iterate over multiple "unpredictable" payloads. A goal would be to make
clear that we want as few as possible outputs from SecureRandom() to avoid for
e.g., a client to have an oracle access to the Server's PRNG. A solution could
be to use a simple Hash function and R, 16 bytes of randomness only known by the
server and global to all sessions. Then a PATH_CHALLENGE could contain, with
SESSION_SERCRET the shared derived secret of the session:

Challenge_1 = H(SESSION_SECRET || R)

Then, the next one:

Challenge_2 = H(Challenge_1 || R)
...
Challenge_i = H(Challenge_i-1 || R)

This maintains unpredictability, assuming a cryptographic hash function and R
secret. I guess that other constructions are possible as well, using HKDF for
example.

I would also suggest looking into other places for which "unpredictability"
is needed, and evaluate whether it could provide good oracle access to the
other peer, and if we can be more exigent into the specifications to make sure
to avoid those issues.

[0] https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#initiating-connection-migration-initiating-migration

[1] https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#initiating-path-validation

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Interesting! Given that the TLS ServerHello random field is typically 32 bytes sampled directly from /dev/random, is this really a new vector?

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Interesting! Given that the TLS ServerHello random field is typically 32 bytes sampled from a secure source, is this really a new vector? I would expect the same code to be used to produce the challenge body.

Yes, that's a good point! That's the reason why I said we should look into other places for which "unpredictability" is needed. For the 32 bytes random field of the server hello, a similar strategy could be employed to reduce the output of the PRNG.

The protocol security essentially depends on assumptions such as a good PRNG, the underlyng untractable problem behind the asymetric cryptography that enables the symmetric key exchange, and the cryptographic assumptions of the H function used. If we can reduce the PRNG outptut size, and fill what is missing from pseudorandom derivations based on cryptographic assumptions that we should anyway trust, then it seems as a win to me.

I understand the current approach "if PRNG bad, we're doomed, so better assume it good". I am not totally in favor of that mindset though. Weaknesses may appear and disappear in the PRNG used; it is not as static as the other security property we rely on.

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"tokens" => "exchanges" since that could be read as using encryption in the generation of the token itself. (Which is also likely true, but not what you're saying here.)

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We could put comma separators in the decimal values (i.e. 494878333 => 494,878,333) so they're more readily parsed as decimals rather than digit sequences. And an appendix with a varint decoder might not be the worst idea.

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Does this win the record for least amount of bytes touched in a PR?

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----==_mimepart_5f9acc177e04c_3519b4136323-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 07:07:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F523A0982 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDWrZzuLEU3R for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 336283A097D for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f927e04.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 780B2600D40 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603980431; bh=cz2QMMYq/Y31W9ahYwob7XSp8nlX0HNXL+MmHlUTOSA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dZzDVEnmmB60Fr7qpqiMcexEm2UPLyRkTnDvvf54LCCjWI0k9jwduXBfF0vTZmWIi Ddd4uUuZro44pxZll1pHG5wiWmaldkcNu/X+sPet7j3WRZqjmSsLWYcTEDBSEKS6c6 msWQ58gfvmiqSQuvhImmWKWZD2CZalz1G05QUJiQ= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:07:11 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Hard to parse (#4301) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9acc8f7472a_3419b421277"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:07:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9acc8f7472a_3419b421277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder if the real takeaway here is that these "examples in passing" assume the reader is deeply following along with the algorithm in their head; I know I don't, but I'm also not implementing packetization. We already have an appendix that illustrates packet number decoding; perhaps we should move one or both paragraphs to an appendix that illustrates selecting an encoding, with these as the examples. Reading the rest of the section, is "protection of the packet number" the term we've used elsewhere? Shouldn't that be "header protection," perhaps with a cross-ref to -tls? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4301#issuecomment-718776200 ----==_mimepart_5f9acc8f7472a_3419b421277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I wonder if the real takeaway here is that these "examples in passing" assume the reader is deeply following along with the algorithm in their head; I know I don't, but I'm also not implementing packetization. We already have an appendix that illustrates packet number decoding; perhaps we should move one or both paragraphs to an appendix that illustrates selecting an encoding, with these as the examples.

Reading the rest of the section, is "protection of the packet number" the term we've used elsewhere? Shouldn't that be "header protection," perhaps with a cross-ref to -tls?

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Being nitpicky, but... Not all QUIC packets contain frames. All fram= es are carried by packets, so let's define the relationship in that direc= tion.

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...either in the definition or following the list. WDYT?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+  datagram.  QUIC packets carry one or more frames.  Multiple QUIC packe=
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I took some liberties with data types here, but... pseudocode. I do wonder if the slice notation is sufficiently clear; I was hesitant to just do bit-shifts and masks because the number of bytes returned is key. An alternative would be simply to return the number of bytes, I suppose. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315 -- Commit Summary -- * Packet number encoding in appendix, move examples * Expand example -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (61) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315 ----==_mimepart_5f9adda53cc3c_4219b41504d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #4301.

I took some liberties with data types here, but... pseudocode. I do wonder if the slice notation is sufficiently clear; I was hesitant to just do bit-shifts and masks because the number of bytes returned is key. An alternative would be simply to return the number of bytes, I suppose.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315

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  • Packet number encoding in appendix, move examples
  • Expand example

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----==_mimepart_5f9adda53cc3c_4219b41504d3-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 08:51:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268433A0115 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E903ceQFeRVP for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 799EE3A00D8 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-f4255c4.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.121.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B7A505E008D for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1603986694; bh=9WlRWj5H0dxmEvg5JDIzh09gXHn1yasCtA1weNrBfRQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sY/j47c6bIkUMqAkOWYr5TcIr02njJ7k0jlnpHhLdjq4SkjLgLeKQevG11PeAzcBf gd9nPvOcKHdLMsH4c4oaiI4KKZ1f2MBamRh4b+IpMhLeTxCh3GhoRQyfi4RdOOqWvB XjRYlckQLvBI4qanjRjIsRN5kDRCsGNV9cqVVBZM= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:51:34 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fundamentals into Section 1 (#4265) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9ae506b3752_4e19b4171365"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:51:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9ae506b3752_4e19b4171365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What @MikeBishop said above. The draft is already super long, so while we can make additions for clarity, I'd want to keep it as short as possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4265#issuecomment-718844788 ----==_mimepart_5f9ae506b3752_4e19b4171365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What @MikeBishop said above. The draft is already super long, so while we can make additions for clarity, I'd want to keep it as short as possible.

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Fixes #4300, if we decide we need/want it.

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And yes, this handwaves over coercing the mask into the right size integer for the number of bytes you read.

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This might be difficult for a casual reader of the text, but I would argue that we shouldn't optimize for them. As Mike notes, there are a large number of diagrams, and the notations section exists precisely to capture common notation that is used throughout the document.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +that responds to packets received from a new address limits the data it sends
+to that address until the peer address is validated.  Prior to validating the
+peer's address, endpoints MUST NOT send data toward that address that exceeds
+three times the amount of data received from that address.  This three times

Or datagrams, perhaps? Also "packets ... that exceeds" doesn't agree.

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"bytes of UDP payload" would be the most accurate, but "bytes" also works for me.

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Closes #4285. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4317 -- Commit Summary -- * Define stateless reset token -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (19) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4317.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4317.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4317 ----==_mimepart_5f9b48a568fb8_47119b4876e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This was a little obtuse; it would benefit from a clearer description of
what the token is and how it is used.

Closes #4285.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4317

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  • Define stateless reset token

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Thanks Mike. I don't think that I need to worry about "easy to regenerate" (there is a lot of text on that later). The "exchanges" comment is unmodified text, but it is worth fixing.

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I prefer this, but let's take the corrected explicit computation from Ian's PR. > @@ -2254,12 +2254,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path. Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round-trip time than the original. A value of three times the larger of the -current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the initial timeout (that is, 2*kInitialRtt) as -defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED. That is: - -~~~ - validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt) -~~~ +current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the PTO for the new path (that is, using +kInitialRtt as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) is RECOMMENDED. Can we add the computation back in? 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 29 16:32:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0399F3A0A9F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CKWeeSu6zUMu for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C54463A0A96 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-983ed7a.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.118.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 13FDFE0024 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604014341; bh=cyxTM4D97pWMOCQse/oE+8HllmNz2zmAKrWoGKLc0bU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x4yVZj+bstvFqtdBu7ITlKFxNTSSQjUOkZiLan71R1ehK8UHarZGLR1YbTP1jaE58 YBIzvGFjwmV164kTTlkLdQUOxmhg/M/oCJATm6tMO6uP8TiGORzuzLG0AHWRNAIgtT UKXTTZqbAJMMe2RO5A3/AJHxBoD0TNLadTDHwgAo= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:32:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Potential oracle access to the peer's secure randomness (#4314) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b510510f90_4619b415028e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:32:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b510510f90_4619b415028e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have very little sympathy for this viewpoint. As Chris says, we expose randomness that might be sourced from a "secure" PRNG in many other places in the protocol. There are implementation strategies that can be used to isolate PRNG usage for keys from other uses (OpenSSL employs one such technique) and there are hardening methods, such as the one described in RFC 8937. But if the request is to highlight the risk, then we can do that. It's not like we've been parsimonious with security considerations up until now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4314#issuecomment-719081969 ----==_mimepart_5f9b510510f90_4619b415028e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have very little sympathy for this viewpoint. As Chris says, we expose randomness that might be sourced from a "secure" PRNG in many other places in the protocol.

There are implementation strategies that can be used to isolate PRNG usage for keys from other uses (OpenSSL employs one such technique) and there are hardening methods, such as the one described in RFC 8937. But if the request is to highlight the risk, then we can do that. It's not like we've been parsimonious with security considerations up until now.

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I think that this is good, though you need to eliminate a shortcut in the pseudocode. > + recipient in the current packet number space, if any + +~~~ +EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked): + // If no packets in the current space have been + // acknowledged, the full packet number is used. + if largest_acked is None: + return full_pn + + // The number of bits must be at least one more + // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous + // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet. + num_unacked = full_pn - largest_acked + min_bits = log(num_unacked, 2) + 1 + num_bytes = ceil(min_bits / 8) + return full_pn[-num_bytes:] Someone has been doing too much python. As the value is not encoded into bytes before you index it, this is hard to follow. ```suggestion let encoded = [] for i in 0..num_bytes: encoded.unshift((full_pn >> (8 * i)) & 0xff) // encoded.unshift((full_pn / (256^i)) % 256) ? return encoded ``` > + return full_pn + + // The number of bits must be at least one more + // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous + // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet. + num_unacked = full_pn - largest_acked + min_bits = log(num_unacked, 2) + 1 + num_bytes = ceil(min_bits / 8) + return full_pn[-num_bytes:] +~~~ +{: #alg-encode-pn title="Sample Packet Number Encoding Algorithm"} + +For example, if an endpoint has received an acknowledgment for packet 0xabe8bc +and is sending a packet with a number of 0xac5c02, there are 29,519 (0x734f) +outstanding packets. In order to represent at least twice this range (59,038 +packets, or 0xe69e), 16 bits will be required. ```suggestion packets, or 0xe69e), 16 bits are required. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315#pullrequestreview-520161851 ----==_mimepart_5f9b53df7deaf_3719b4488fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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I think that this is good, though you need to eliminate a shortcut in = the pseudocode.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +  recipient in the current packet number =
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+=0D
+~~~=0D
+EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked):=0D
+  // If no packets in the current space have been=0D
+  // acknowledged, the full packet number is used.=0D
+  if largest_acked is None:=0D
+    return full_pn=0D
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+  // The number of bits must be at least one more=0D
+  // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous=0D
+  // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet.=0D
+  num_unacked =3D full_pn - largest_acked=0D
+  min_bits =3D log(num_unacked, 2) + 1=0D
+  num_bytes =3D ceil(min_bits / 8)=0D
+  return full_pn[-num_bytes:]=0D
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Someone has been doing too much python.

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As the value is not encoded into bytes before you index it, this is ha= rd to follow.

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-  return full_pn[-num_bytes:]=0D
+  let encoded =3D []=0D
+  for i in 0..num_bytes:=0D
+    encoded.unshift((full_pn >> (8 * i)) & 0xff)=0D
+    // encoded.unshift((full_pn / (256^i)) % 256) ?=0D
+  return encoded=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +    return full_pn=0D
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+  // The number of bits must be at least one more=0D
+  // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous=0D
+  // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet.=0D
+  num_unacked =3D full_pn - largest_acked=0D
+  min_bits =3D log(num_unacked, 2) + 1=0D
+  num_bytes =3D ceil(min_bits / 8)=0D
+  return full_pn[-num_bytes:]=0D
+~~~=0D
+{: #alg-encode-pn title=3D"Sample Packet Number Encoding Algorithm&=
quot;}=0D
+=0D
+For example, if an endpoint has received an acknowledgment for packet 0x=
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+and is sending a packet with a number of 0xac5c02, there are 29,519 (0x7=
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+outstanding packets.  In order to represent at least twice this range (5=
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+packets, or 0xe69e), 16 bits will be required.=0D
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+packets, or 0xe69e), 16 bits are required.=0D
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One suggestion, but LGTM

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  The frame types defined in this specification are listed in {{frame-types}}.
-The Frame Type in ACK, STREAM, MAX_STREAMS, STREAMS_BLOCKED, and
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames is used to carry other frame-specific flags. For all
-other frames, the Frame Type field simply identifies the frame.  These
-frames are explained in more detail in {{frame-formats}}.
+{{frame-types}} includes some summary information that is explained below.

"{{frame-types}} lists and summarizes information about each frame type that is
defined in this specification. The summarized information in {{frame-types}} is
described after the table."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select
+an appropriate size for packet number encodings.
+
+The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments:
+
+* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent.
+* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the
+  recipient in the current packet number space, if any
+
+~~~
+EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked):
+  // If no packets in the current space have been
+  // acknowledged, the full packet number is used.
+  if largest_acked is None:
+    return full_pn

Whoops, missed this. You can safely assign num_acked to full_pn + 1 in this case. Returning early is bad for the same reasons.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select
+an appropriate size for packet number encodings.
+
+The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments:
+
+* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent.
+* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the
+  recipient in the current packet number space, if any
+
+~~~
+EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked):
+  // If no packets in the current space have been
+  // acknowledged, the full packet number is used.
+  if largest_acked is None:
+    return full_pn

You can set min_bits to log2(full_pn) (without the +1) as well, I guess.

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  • 7b7523e Mike's suggestions, tweaked

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----==_mimepart_5f9b54b542657_5519b4315ec-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 16:48:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B033A0A71 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:48:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QFDjCGFRIWiN for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-28.smtp.github.com (out-28.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9363A099F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-e1a4354.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.25.34]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 99D94900C1A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:48:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604015321; bh=x9wOXBzS+G08H0/b/oZMkRsIGoqEr80hfeG/Hm2UNhc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GWNDrJanpV6Ru8e+yccWTeJCl8g8Fydd+x+Rr3kh17Gqhc9P0XaITUkkyWvR+WOKg QiT5v8bmEc5GN8CZ9W8sQEgsUZfz++c/+Zf0qo7HJvV/fkARtvNOiaJoC4i+hxDMcd VTSv3T4QqDvHCchzmHo+VT49hGy1dzRO+HslQxk0= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:48:41 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a definition for "frame" (#4313) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b54d9951e0_3a19b4109952"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:48:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b54d9951e0_3a19b4109952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to say that the IP Packet vs. QUIC Packet text is not necessary. We carefully qualify where there is any potential for confusion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313#issuecomment-719087152 ----==_mimepart_5f9b54d9951e0_3a19b4109952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm going to say that the IP Packet vs. QUIC Packet text is not necessary. We carefully qualify where there is any potential for confusion.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 29 16:50:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611EB3A09CE for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:50:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gfZfkmO_lil1 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ED233A099F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d2196e5.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.10]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2C89D5C005C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:50:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604015455; bh=fHhSwPYhPLDYAiv1FJoS/qOFApz4PJjiP6GuYw94/bI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GiM4FvlEOS2e/U2cW/CULJKtf4Xgqesy92SHulFXmJap7o0YqqfNdB/pgaMQSAjlI Tia34zkGDgoZgHozCjtv4SYbyTVesfzNM5aL+jVF6LX/1bOK6uUd2ZEixHU9b8pBaf HndvyTuUsDnWul7VVyn9veVxqei4/zyPNNIMEW3Y= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:50:55 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Choice of padding values (#4295) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b555f28e52_3919b41276cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:50:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b555f28e52_3919b41276cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't read the comment as being about the amount of padding, and so I have the same question as @MikeBishop, but the clarification in #4312 is a welcome addition. 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I don't read the comment as being about the amount of padding, and so I have the same question as @MikeBishop, but the clarification in #4312 is a welcome addition. I think the PR addresses the addressable part of this issue.

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Closed #4295 via #4312.

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I think that this is a fine improvement, but I will be moving all thes= e microalgorithm pieces under a single appendix once we're done.

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> +  first_byte =3D data.peek()=0D
+  prefix =3D first_byte >> 6=0D
+  num_bytes =3D 1 << prefix=0D
+  mask =3D (1 << (num_bytes * 8 - 2)) - 1=0D
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-  mask =3D (1 << (num_bytes * 8 - 2)) - 1=0D
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-  return data.read(num_bytes) & mask=0D
+  v =3D data.next_byte()=0D
+  length =3D (1 << (v >> 6))=0D
+  v =3D v & 0x3f=0D
+  repeat length-1 times:=0D
+    v =3D (v << 8) + data.next_byte()=0D
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This is not efficient in any way (I implemented it this way and it is = slow), but it should be clearer. And it doesn't rely on peeking or a rea= d() function that returns something other than a byte.

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----==_mimepart_5f9b56feb9632_5019b41361e6-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 16:58:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9743A09CE for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XnuwP__n26on for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 223573A099F for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ad84d62.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.35]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5C411340C4A for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:57:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604015879; bh=zXWTXBa4xNF0in+3aU/3OMt0Fz2fXBlsKPz22Lc0+MM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kbg8YItN/76tY19vops7m8IIaF+h95oTjV0/8c5dkV01bI1+P5NjLBnDG4Mph67Jd XdOyT528yBwoX/qXAGFw25aatAD+uxTI9IdnK/kGgQFOc6iZgETDx1jHAWiK0iXfzI UDMmjnqeIYdrQwtqjSD+/d88W52PHzZsDcbEMpmk= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:57:59 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a definition for "frame" (#4313) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b570758ca8_4c19b4977d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:58:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b570758ca8_4c19b4977d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the other issue, it might be worth simply stating the terminology upfront. Something like ``` We use the terms "QUIC packets", "UDP datagrams", and "IP packets" to refer to the units of each protocol. That is, one or more QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a UDP datagram, which in turn is encapsulated in an IP packet. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313#issuecomment-719089740 ----==_mimepart_5f9b570758ca8_4c19b4977d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On the other issue, it might be worth simply stating the terminology upfront. Something like

We use the terms "QUIC packets", "UDP datagrams", and "IP packets" to refer to the
units of each protocol. That is, one or more QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a UDP
datagram, which in turn is encapsulated in an IP packet.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 29 17:00:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D333A0A92 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NIOEuJRjzQqy for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-26.smtp.github.com (out-26.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FAA53A0A90 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ed3c65b.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.49]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 97EBC5E0F20 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:00:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604016022; bh=rlBOPo45LnKeAvE6lPTdnV6RbV+VoxsaZOutyZ2PSE0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OuN8gcRJDplpkmH7gEO8I7EfI+GK1l4dUXaaCLt7ZWkrjybDyBYOeKsrjCqidmHNe gHFktTqCcVxOGSl/Sbu5p4meYlB060wGMYcXRtl6T1ot0V1JjsSmIJT1tD//2ALCuj eQbQ2QDvylIN3nsnhJOpF9Iph7ug6h9ko+xp1cvE= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:00:22 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stop using initial timeout (#4263) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b579694d0b_5a19b411261f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 00:00:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b579694d0b_5a19b411261f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -2254,12 +2254,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path. Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round-trip time than the original. A value of three times the larger of the -current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the initial timeout (that is, 2*kInitialRtt) as -defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED. That is: - -~~~ - validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt) -~~~ +current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the PTO for the new path (that is, using +kInitialRtt as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) is RECOMMENDED. But that is wrong. Because the PTO on the new path is `9*kInitialRtt` on the handshake, but `9*kInitialRtt + 3*max_ack_delay` on migration. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2254,12 +2254,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path.
 Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this
 timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer
 round-trip time than the original.  A value of three times the larger of the
-current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the initial timeout (that is, 2*kInitialRtt) as
-defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.  That is:
-
-~~~
-   validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt)
-~~~
+current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the PTO for the new path (that is, using
+kInitialRtt as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) is RECOMMENDED.

But that is wrong. Because the PTO on the new path is 9*kInitialRtt on the handshake, but 9*kInitialRtt + 3*max_ack_delay on migration.

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Lars, I can't find it easily, but I believe that I pushed a 1 bit change at one point in this process.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2206,9 +2212,17 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
+If an endpoint is unable to expand the datagram payload to 1200 bytes, no
+padding is necessary.  However, this means that the path MTU will not be
+validated.  The endpoint MUST perform a second path validation with a datagram
+of at least 1200 bytes once a PATH_RESPONSE is successfully received or when
+enough bytes have been received on the path that sending the larger datagram
+will not result in exceeding the anti-amplification limit.

NO_VIABLE_PATH sounds good to me.

This specific case is not about losing one path. It is about losing a connection amid data transfer. That's going to have negative consequences, and I think it would be great if we could have insights regarding if that actually happens.

Depending on how often we would see this, we might start considering changing minimum MTU requirement to a smaller number, or remove the path validation requirement upon NAT rebinding.

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This is a great improvement, and I like the symmetry with the decoding algorithm. Thanks, @MikeBishop ! A few comments. > @@ -7411,6 +7402,43 @@ The initial contents of this registry are shown in {{iana-error-table}}. --- back +# Sample Packet Number Encoding Algorithm {#sample-packet-number-encoding} + +The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select +an appropriate size for packet number encodings. + +The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments: + +* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent. +* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the ```suggestion * largest_acked is the largest packet number that has been acknowledged by the ``` > @@ -7411,6 +7402,43 @@ The initial contents of this registry are shown in {{iana-error-table}}. --- back +# Sample Packet Number Encoding Algorithm {#sample-packet-number-encoding} + +The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select +an appropriate size for packet number encodings. + +The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments: + +* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent. +* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the + recipient in the current packet number space, if any ```suggestion peer in the current packet number space, if any ``` > + recipient in the current packet number space, if any + +~~~ +EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked): + // If no packets in the current space have been + // acknowledged, the full packet number is used. + if largest_acked is None: + return full_pn + + // The number of bits must be at least one more + // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous + // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet. + num_unacked = full_pn - largest_acked + min_bits = log(num_unacked, 2) + 1 + num_bytes = ceil(min_bits / 8) + return full_pn[-num_bytes:] Someone has been doing too much Javascript :-) I don't think `.unshift` can be used without definition like this (I had to look it up). This will be tricky to do without language conventions. I would recommend simply: ``` // return the value after truncating the full packet // number to num_bytes least significant bytes return truncate(full_pn, num_bytes) > + +The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select +an appropriate size for packet number encodings. + +The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments: + +* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent. +* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the + recipient in the current packet number space, if any + +~~~ +EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked): + // If no packets in the current space have been + // acknowledged, the full packet number is used. + if largest_acked is None: + return full_pn @martinthomson : I don't follow what setting num_acked to `full_pn + 1` gets you. 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This is a great improvement, and I like the symmetry with the decoding= algorithm. Thanks, @MikeBishop ! A few comments.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select
+an appropriate size for packet number encodings.
+
+The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments:
+
+* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent.
+* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the
+  recipient in the current packet number space, if any
+
+~~~
+EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked):
+  // If no packets in the current space have been
+  // acknowledged, the full packet number is used.
+  if largest_acked is None:
+    return full_pn

The early return takes a number and returns it. We are looking for an encoded value that includes a length (in bytes). If full_pn is 10, returning that doesn't tell the caller how many bytes to write out.

Running this through the full encoding algorithm avoids that problem.

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----==_mimepart_5f9b60e667422_4a19b41814f8-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 17:41:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5D13A0B2C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ebwu2iNkVscV for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65B053A09CD for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-61f14f3.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.113.19]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A0C635C0049 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:41:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604018469; bh=u8xfGXyXZNKniFri/3KJ5xmZTyI1pBmKfQgzcBnAWuI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oHqqj23ctgqJJ5G+LTX+DX18uXRDfKQbsXI92cerCcyIMuhUa2tRkmqqhFyxuFl+v vWKSVznCNQrf9OxHFNd/iMq2cXTyWmQMmM1Vlo+l27az/IwrBfGQBdrnz5gS3Mg5/t AcCjgSkdBYULIfnktcOIhycJb2O5tlJ+N4H8IvPA= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:41:09 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number encoding appendix (#4315) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b61259c5c6_11b019b47053a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 00:41:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b61259c5c6_11b019b47053a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson commented on this pull request. > + recipient in the current packet number space, if any + +~~~ +EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked): + // If no packets in the current space have been + // acknowledged, the full packet number is used. + if largest_acked is None: + return full_pn + + // The number of bits must be at least one more + // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous + // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet. + num_unacked = full_pn - largest_acked + min_bits = log(num_unacked, 2) + 1 + num_bytes = ceil(min_bits / 8) + return full_pn[-num_bytes:] So do it this way instead? ``` encoded = [(either expression), encoded...] ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4315#discussion_r514644632 ----==_mimepart_5f9b61259c5c6_11b019b47053a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  recipient in the current packet number space, if any
+
+~~~
+EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked):
+  // If no packets in the current space have been
+  // acknowledged, the full packet number is used.
+  if largest_acked is None:
+    return full_pn
+
+  // The number of bits must be at least one more
+  // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous
+  // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet.
+  num_unacked = full_pn - largest_acked
+  min_bits = log(num_unacked, 2) + 1
+  num_bytes = ceil(min_bits / 8)
+  return full_pn[-num_bytes:]

So do it this way instead?

    encoded = [(either expression), encoded...]

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks, @MikeBishop -- I think this is a useful improvement.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  first_byte = data.peek()
+  prefix = first_byte >> 6
+  num_bytes = 1 << prefix
+  mask = (1 << (num_bytes * 8 - 2)) - 1
+
+  return data.read(num_bytes) & mask

I would just add comments above these two lines:

  // Length is encoded in the two most significant bits of the first byte;
  // see {{summary-of-integer-encoding}}.
  length = (1 << (v >> 6))
  // Remove the size encoding from the data
  v = v & 0x3f

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  first_byte = data.peek()
+  prefix = first_byte >> 6
+  num_bytes = 1 << prefix
+  mask = (1 << (num_bytes * 8 - 2)) - 1
+
+  return data.read(num_bytes) & mask

Note that moustaches in figures don't get expanded into section references, so you might want to lose the reference.

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A few suggestions, but I think this is adequate to resolve the issue. > +16 byte value that is hard to guess. If that endpoint sends a stateless reset, +a UDP datagram that ends in the stateless reset token, the recipient will +immediately end the connection. ```suggestion 16-byte value that is hard to guess. If the peer subsequently receives a stateless reset, which is a UDP datagram that ends in that stateless reset token, the peer will immediately end the connection. ``` > +A stateless reset token is issued by including the value in the Stateless Reset +Token field of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. Servers can also issue a +stateless_reset_token transport parameter during the handshake that applies to +the connection ID that it selected during the handshake; clients cannot use +this transport parameter because their transport parameters do not have +confidentiality protection. These exchanges are protected by encryption, so only client and server know their value. Tokens are invalidated when their associated connection ID is retired via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-retire-connection-id}}). ```suggestion A stateless reset token is specific to a connection ID. An endpoint issues a stateless reset token by including the value in the Stateless Reset Token field of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. Servers can also issue a stateless_reset_token transport parameter during the handshake that applies to the connection ID that it selected during the handshake. These exchanges are protected by encryption, so only client and server know their value. Note that clients cannot use the stateless_reset_token transport parameter because their transport parameters do not have confidentiality protection. Note that clients cannot use the stateless_reset_token transport parameter because their transport parameters do not have confidentiality protection. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2254,12 +2254,8 @@ abandons its attempt to validate the path.
 Endpoints SHOULD abandon path validation based on a timer. When setting this
 timer, implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer
 round-trip time than the original.  A value of three times the larger of the
-current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the initial timeout (that is, 2*kInitialRtt) as
-defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} is RECOMMENDED.  That is:
-
-~~~
-   validation_timeout = max(3*PTO, 6*kInitialRtt)
-~~~
+current Probe Timeout (PTO) or the PTO for the new path (that is, using
+kInitialRtt as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) is RECOMMENDED.

Oh hm. It's actually more than that, since rttvar is also set to kInitialRtt/2 initially. Ok, let's leave it as you have it then.

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Commit: 818b6c4799888e21636380df48fe3dbb7e7bf675 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/818b6c4799888e21636380df48fe3dbb7e7bf675 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-30 (Fri, 30 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Mike's suggestions Commit: 5d6285f3c93e068e7faf593efe3a06dcc366b4ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5d6285f3c93e068e7faf593efe3a06dcc366b4ea Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-30 (Fri, 30 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- polish Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar Commit: ee73d33cd6830709438470dfd0af06726297ae6c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee73d33cd6830709438470dfd0af06726297ae6c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2020-10-29 (Thu, 29 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #4317 from quicwg/issue4285 Define stateless reset token Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d56cd1fba256...ee73d33cd683 From nobody Thu Oct 29 18:06:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F0F3A0A85 for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 29 18:20:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43E43A0A35 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aMg4hVFk2UV for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 758133A08FA for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-ed50e42.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.100.14]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B8B9C520D48 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:19:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604020797; bh=rMn9bIBervSJzCFCKjJjOndLyXVyBUkbJZmFvyzZmc8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IIs0Q0Z7WTITPjI0dUaaz4x87DJxq6rXwAydG1Sgg6tlHbF7qkntoi+w/+UrvjWb5 KO+sZPTWNHKnxHv0/OMhSek0uMLR8O1RKvjsXgjFYiXtGKP9j2sLM3Zm3PPbak8cdS hFrs4zTRV4aoRbpmZdG2U1DupZe1BZwtta4oYvNo= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:19:57 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number encoding appendix (#4315) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b6a3db54b9_4819b446952"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 01:20:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b6a3db54b9_4819b446952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -4382,17 +4382,10 @@ the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being sent. A peer receiving the packet will then correctly decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint SHOULD use a large -enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered even -if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards. - -As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one bit more -than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet -numbers, including the new packet. I think my preferences goes to retaining this sentence. Having pseudo code makes sense, but IMO it is better to state the constraints that a function has to meet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4382,17 +4382,10 @@ the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being
 sent.  A peer receiving the packet will then correctly decode the packet number,
 unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it arrives after many
 higher-numbered packets have been received.  An endpoint SHOULD use a large
-enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered even
-if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards.
-
-As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one bit more
-than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet
-numbers, including the new packet.

I think my preferences goes to retaining this sentence.

Having pseudo code makes sense, but IMO it is better to state the constraints that a function has to meet.

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----==_mimepart_5f9b6a3db54b9_4819b446952-- From nobody Thu Oct 29 18:23:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9286B3A0B26 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQ4sRuZq8z8y for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F7E33A0B16 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-6b8d546.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.110.63]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CE680340033 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604021002; bh=/+w25xfIqp4LZpSw93qwyyHoxnsXlv5buTrDPTzr8D0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=ex5UJh7+UG7CFN/IOcFVMPoXc//VuR+5r866S2Efycy4XZrrcgW5HTnw9W278v+kJ YzHO62wfK5tET1UwQsB5lbrgfz+LPaPc9SBqS31M8JmcwAIOJ0BAWZEfe9bSzm8xC2 iuIhZMJAx52sTSFO9Jfwj8i0aMs/tj0MbYpbTA/E= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:22 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 9234f6: State CS-PRNG requirements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 01:23:25 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/randomness-is-good Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 9234f63528e54644071a494465b4c96018a55050 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9234f63528e54644071a494465b4c96018a55050 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2020-10-30 (Fri, 30 Oct 2020) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- State CS-PRNG requirements I'm opposed to saying that values from a PRNG shouldn't be exposed. But we can at least say that we need a good CS-PRNG to get many of the security properties claimed by the protocol. Closes #4314. From nobody Thu Oct 29 18:23:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D86C3A0B63 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7diNyyBUXRuz for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14B143A0B5C for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-8df8c39.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.109.17]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3EEFE5200A0 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604021021; bh=hwDcnqY4ElE9WLFYY7mDY2AsCTq6PkhDkUfCIibU87g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kIcZg8yhCHBITJRlVa6FOtBsISYZwOUur94haJhi5ptVaf6sC0Un6g210xsCz0hIb qQgBwp5D1TqCSUM/aSchNkdo0TZS6Xeec5dLI5S9xEUwOuv0OS4/K4oZMJ86/na+Ea hPVwJBcuLf/+hSVWAGNhKFN2QCZfFSJ4rEqCeXUM= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:23:41 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] State CS-PRNG requirements (#4318) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9b6b1d3b545_3b19b460175"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 01:23:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9b6b1d3b545_3b19b460175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm opposed to saying that values from a PRNG shouldn't be exposed. But we can at least say that we need a good CS-PRNG to get many of the security properties claimed by the protocol. Closes #4314. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4318 -- Commit Summary -- * State CS-PRNG requirements -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4318.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4318.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4318 ----==_mimepart_5f9b6b1d3b545_3b19b460175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm opposed to saying that values from a PRNG shouldn't be exposed. But
we can at least say that we need a good CS-PRNG to get many of the
security properties claimed by the protocol.

Closes #4314.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4318

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  • State CS-PRNG requirements

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Oct 29 23:43:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C463A0B22 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d2nAa0SagokT for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-27.smtp.github.com (out-27.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C6713A0AFD for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-4dd9d30.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.120.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 408DC900D95 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604040200; bh=CLfyRr4SmWeK/zSXLwCsmXkh7RaQNuywQUMHwSHWFq8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hes6IG2qpaibq9pHNqQgRj93c0S6qYd+eiOJtYb5FlLHFwPQUIvhddelOTvtIzf68 aP+J32ozNUIxmqYGgrz01HVPbloljzEhGys13hlRW7C22IMndknYN9RHsGifnJQEEC XmGYn2Y6j+V1mpS8b7C+ZuzJpfLAguDCEwm4FGM8= Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 23:43:20 -0700 From: Peter Occil Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Potential oracle access to the peer's secure randomness (#4314) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9bb6083acd8_4819b423602f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: peteroupc X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 06:43:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9bb6083acd8_4819b423602f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I prefer the term "cryptographic RNG" rather than "cryptographically secure PRNG" or "CSPRNG" (which suggests that only certain kinds of _pseudorandom_ generators are allowed). For instance, I define "cryptographic RNGs" as follows: > A cryptographic RNG generates random bits that behave like independent uniform random bits, such that an outside party has no more than negligible advantage in correctly guessing prior or future unseen output bits of that RNG even after knowing how the RNG works and/or extremely many outputs of the RNG, or prior unseen output bits of that RNG after compromising its security, such as reading its internal state. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4314#issuecomment-719295679 ----==_mimepart_5f9bb6083acd8_4819b423602f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I prefer the term "cryptographic RNG" rather than "cryptographically secure PRNG" or "CSPRNG" (which suggests that only certain kinds of pseudorandom generators are allowed). For instance, I define "cryptographic RNGs" as follows:

A cryptographic RNG generates random bits that behave like independent uniform random bits, such that an outside party has no more than negligible advantage in correctly guessing prior or future unseen output bits of that RNG even after knowing how the RNG works and/or extremely many outputs of the RNG, or prior unseen output bits of that RNG after compromising its security, such as reading its internal state.

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----==_mimepart_5f9bd5545d33f_3b0e19b433481d-- From nobody Fri Oct 30 02:21:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB573A0D34 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVRod-ri6vcH for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F14C73A0D2C for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github.com (hubbernetes-node-d25af3b.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.112.34]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4C5EC5C0600 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:21:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1604049702; bh=ErtP3hjz/Ep3p4KpFwz05pcPXeYSNrlzXgeKI8oeh3E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tlx333/pCQvbptwkjOIyAS7tXg3D8gwJG4k4Mumau/QEpmTVcAAiD9SSS2mHuFbEm fav7sp26fPnbXRvE0yPf3NyOnWowgp6rYJxra9uA3QxQe7tvq7+YY2VgVDyj+7TAW+ TxLkayMx/UKszFB5bWFvOLRqSmkP8LyXFTxm/mqM= Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 02:21:42 -0700 From: Florentin Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Potential oracle access to the peer's secure randomness (#4314) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f9bdb2648cd0_5319b41245ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: frochet X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:21:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5f9bdb2648cd0_5319b41245ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There are implementation strategies that can be used to isolate PRNG usage for keys from other uses (OpenSSL employs one such technique) and there are hardening methods, such as the one described in RFC 8937. But if the request is to highlight the risk, then we can do that. It's not like we've been parsimonious with security considerations up until now. This is exactly what I suggest to discuss in the Security Considerations section. I was unaware of RFC 8937. It seems to cover the same concerns that I have and produce a similar recommendation. I think it would be valuable to QUIC stacks to pay intention to this issue, and eventually apply RFC 8937 on every source of randomness within QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4314#issuecomment-719440960 ----==_mimepart_5f9bdb2648cd0_5319b41245ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are implementation strategies that can be used to isolate PRNG usage for keys from other uses (OpenSSL employs one such technique) and there are hardening methods, such as the one described in RFC 8937. But if the request is to highlight the risk, then we can do that. It's not like we've been parsimonious with security considerations up until now.

This is exactly what I suggest to discuss in the Security Considerations section. I was unaware of RFC 8937. It seems to cover the same concerns that I have and produce a similar recommendation.

I think it would be valuable to QUIC stacks to pay intention to this issue, and eventually apply RFC 8937 on every source of randomness within QUIC.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -7411,6 +7402,43 @@ The initial contents of this registry are shown in {{iana-error-table}}.
 
 --- back
 
+# Sample Packet Number Encoding Algorithm {#sample-packet-number-encoding}
+
+The pseudo-code in {{alg-encode-pn}} shows how an implementation can select
+an appropriate size for packet number encodings.
+
+The EncodePacketNumber function takes two arguments:
+
+* full_pn is the full packet number of the packet being sent.
+* largest_acked is the largest packet number which has been acknowledged by the

There's already a PR for that, which I was emulating.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +  recipient in the current packet number space, if any
+
+~~~
+EncodePacketNumber(full_pn, largest_acked):
+  // If no packets in the current space have been
+  // acknowledged, the full packet number is used.
+  if largest_acked is None:
+    return full_pn
+
+  // The number of bits must be at least one more
+  // than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous
+  // unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet.
+  num_unacked = full_pn - largest_acked
+  min_bits = log(num_unacked, 2) + 1
+  num_bytes = ceil(min_bits / 8)
+  return full_pn[-num_bytes:]

I like the solution of throwing it to an undefined function with a comment describing what it does. The implementer can do that however their language best permits.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4382,17 +4382,10 @@ the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being
 sent.  A peer receiving the packet will then correctly decode the packet number,
 unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it arrives after many
 higher-numbered packets have been received.  An endpoint SHOULD use a large
-enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered even
-if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards.
-
-As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one bit more
-than the base-2 logarithm of the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet
-numbers, including the new packet.

It's not actually gone, it's a comment in the pseudo-code. The paragraph above describes the constraints, while this describes the math which would satisfy those complaints.

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The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a +sequence of bytes to read from. You might want to say that this reads in network byte-order? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4316#pullrequestreview-520756676 ----==_mimepart_5f9c2b73689b7_5219b414103b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The pseudo-code in {{alg-varint}} shows how a variable-length integer can be
+read from a stream of bytes.  The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a
+sequence of bytes to read from.

You might want to say that this reads in network byte-order?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think that this is a fine improvement, but I will be moving all these microalgorithm pieces under a single appendix once we're done. When you do that, it's probably worth copying the "Code Components" language from -recovery. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4316#issuecomment-719607579 ----==_mimepart_5f9c2bf15d04_5d19b4143378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that this is a fine improvement, but I will be moving all these microalgorithm pieces under a single appendix once we're done.

When you do that, it's probably worth copying the "Code Components" language from -recovery.

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The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a +sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order. + +~~~ +ReadVarint(data): + // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the + // first two bits of the first byte. + v = data.next_byte() + length = (1 << (v >> 6)) + + // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any + // remaining bytes. + v = v & 0x3f + repeat length-1 times: + v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte() + return v `v` is also in network byte-order, no? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4316#pullrequestreview-520760942 ----==_mimepart_5f9c2c8b11ae7_4f19b412352b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@larseggert commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +read from a stream of bytes.  The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a
+sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order.
+
+~~~
+ReadVarint(data):
+  // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the
+  // first two bits of the first byte.
+  v = data.next_byte()
+  length = (1 << (v >> 6))
+
+  // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any
+  // remaining bytes.
+  v = v & 0x3f
+  repeat length-1 times:
+    v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte()
+  return v

v is also in network byte-order, no?

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The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a +sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order. + +~~~ +ReadVarint(data): + // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the + // first two bits of the first byte. + v = data.next_byte() + length = (1 << (v >> 6)) + + // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any + // remaining bytes. + v = v & 0x3f + repeat length-1 times: + v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte() + return v Yes, but I'm not sure that's necessary to mention. We haven't changed it over the course of the algorithm. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4316#discussion_r515170570 ----==_mimepart_5f9c2d85ddfc9_3719b4194073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +read from a stream of bytes.  The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a
+sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order.
+
+~~~
+ReadVarint(data):
+  // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the
+  // first two bits of the first byte.
+  v = data.next_byte()
+  length = (1 << (v >> 6))
+
+  // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any
+  // remaining bytes.
+  v = v & 0x3f
+  repeat length-1 times:
+    v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte()
+  return v

Yes, but I'm not sure that's necessary to mention. We haven't changed it over the course of the algorithm.

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Fixes #4302.

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It may be useful to review the commits separately; the first commit reorders sections without modifying text, while the second commit contains a new paragraph added to the beginning of the section.

Fixes #4304.

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  • Intro to Security Considerations

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The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a +sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order. + +~~~ +ReadVarint(data): + // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the + // first two bits of the first byte. + v = data.next_byte() + length = (1 << (v >> 6)) + + // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any + // remaining bytes. + v = v & 0x3f + repeat length-1 times: + v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte() + return v How could it not be in network byte order? Unless next_byte does something other than read the next byte. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4316#discussion_r515396097 ----==_mimepart_5f9c8931556d2_5319b43971ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +read from a stream of bytes.  The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a
+sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order.
+
+~~~
+ReadVarint(data):
+  // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the
+  // first two bits of the first byte.
+  v = data.next_byte()
+  length = (1 << (v >> 6))
+
+  // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any
+  // remaining bytes.
+  v = v & 0x3f
+  repeat length-1 times:
+    v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte()
+  return v

How could it not be in network byte order? Unless next_byte does something other than read the next byte.

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This is fine, but I find that description to be less than ideal. I won't try to suggest an improvement though. It isn't so bad.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1991,6 +1991,16 @@ New QUIC versions SHOULD define a new salt value used in calculating initial
 secrets.
 
 
+## Randomness
+
+TLS relies on a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator
+(CSPRNG) {{!RFC4086}} to produce random or unpredictable values. In addition
+to the uses in TLS, a source of unpredictable values is used in QUIC for a
+variety of protocol elements, including stateless reset messages, stateless
+reset tokens, and PATH_CHALLENGE frames. An endpoint that employs a weak
+CSPRNG forfeits many of the security properties that QUIC provides.

Is there a reason to be this opaque? I would just say that you SHOULD use a CSPRNG for most of these.

Note that some of these actually shouldn't be random, but are generated with a PRG.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +read from a stream of bytes.  The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a
+sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order.
+
+~~~
+ReadVarint(data):
+  // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the
+  // first two bits of the first byte.
+  v = data.next_byte()
+  length = (1 << (v >> 6))
+
+  // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any
+  // remaining bytes.
+  v = v & 0x3f
+  repeat length-1 times:
+    v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte()
+  return v

What I meant is that we might want to say that the value still needs to co vetted into host byte order before it can be used.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +read from a stream of bytes.  The function ReadVarint takes a single argument, a
+sequence of bytes which can be read in network byte order.
+
+~~~
+ReadVarint(data):
+  // The length of variable-length integers is encoded in the
+  // first two bits of the first byte.
+  v = data.next_byte()
+  length = (1 << (v >> 6))
+
+  // Once the length is known, remove these bits and read any
+  // remaining bytes.
+  v = v & 0x3f
+  repeat length-1 times:
+    v = (v << 8) + data.next_byte()
+  return v

Doesn't this do that? I mean, the operations here are numeric, so unless << means "divide by 2^n", we're good, right?

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@martinduke requested changes on this pull request.

Based on the argument in this email: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/4JDtL1vUoRj_R1c6zVhLasbAg8g/

I would propose the following text. I'm not sure where it should go:

  1. "After a long idle period, clients SHOULD send at least one, and ideally at least three, full size datagrams in its first transmission in case a NAT rebinding forces the server to validate the path and MTU."

  2. "When migrating to a new address on a path that has not already been validated by both endpoints, a client SHOULD send at least one, and ideally at least three, full size datagrams to allow fast MTU validation and use of the entire congestion window."

If clients follow this advice, it eliminates all of the performance downsides of the amplification limit.

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There are multiple frame types, + each of which carries different information. Frames are conveyed in QUIC I think we can skip that. It's correct, but I don't think we need it here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4313#discussion_r515561410 ----==_mimepart_5f9e0d6eb1f9b_7f7f19b468587b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +: A unit of structured protocol information.  There are multiple frame types,
+  each of which carries different information.  Frames are conveyed in QUIC

I think we can skip that. It's correct, but I don't think we need it here.

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