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You should not send large amount of data for "probing" beyond your congestion window. Your congestion control does implement this probing already. That's the whole idea of congestion control.

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<p>You should not send large amount of data for "probing" beyond your congestion window. Your congestion control does implement this probing already. That's the whole idea of congestion control.</p>

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I understood the text as saying that you can probably assume that all packets (including non-ack-eliciting ones) got lost when you don't hear anything back for a while... Also if you receive a packet that only ACKs non-ack-eliciting packets this would be weird but it probably means there is not persistent congestion because you know something went though. 

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<p>I understood the text as saying that you can probably assume that all packets (including non-ack-eliciting ones) got lost when you don't hear anything back for a while... Also if you receive a packet that only ACKs non-ack-eliciting packets this would be weird but it probably means there is not persistent congestion because you know something went though.</p>

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@mirjak commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.

Sorry I know this has been merged already but I thought this is easier than open a new issue. 

How can you use a connection with zero-length Conn ID over different paths? Does an address change without Conn ID mean that the connections breaks?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4335#discussion_r533552403">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.
</pre>
<p>Sorry I know this has been merged already but I thought this is easier than open a new issue.</p>
<p>How can you use a connection with zero-length Conn ID over different paths? Does an address change without Conn ID mean that the connections breaks?</p>

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-tls, Section 4.6.2 says:

> When 0-RTT is rejected, all connection characteristics that the client assumed might be incorrect. This includes the choice of application protocol, transport parameters, and any application configuration. The client therefore MUST reset the state of all streams, including application state bound to those streams.

That means that the data which was previously sent is not re-sent by the stack; it's up to the application to re-establish state from scratch.  Do you think this language needs to be more explicit?

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<p>-tls, Section 4.6.2 says:</p>
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<p>When 0-RTT is rejected, all connection characteristics that the client assumed might be incorrect. This includes the choice of application protocol, transport parameters, and any application configuration. The client therefore MUST reset the state of all streams, including application state bound to those streams.</p>
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<p>That means that the data which was previously sent is not re-sent by the stack; it's up to the application to re-establish state from scratch.  Do you think this language needs to be more explicit?</p>

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> +MUST only use 0-RTT for application data that is permitted by the application
+that is in use.

```suggestion
MUST NOT use 0-RTT for application data unless specifically
requested by the application that is in use.
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Aligning text with E.5 of RFC 8446. See https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4393#issuecomment-733634021

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What @MikeBishop said. I've suggested a change to the PR to address @kazuho's other concern (`if permitted` vs. `MUST NOT unless requested`).

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> The client therefore MUST reset the state of all streams

1. The `client` here has to be the app layer, right? It **cannot** be QUIC because of the need for an application specific error code.
2. Is this **MUST** absolutely necessary? It assumes the application protocol is sending data in 0-RTT that's dependent on the previous "connection characteristics", but that's not absolutely necessary.

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<p>The client therefore MUST reset the state of all streams</p>
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<li>The <code>client</code> here has to be the app layer, right? It <strong>cannot</strong> be QUIC because of the need for an application specific error code.</li>
<li>Is this <strong>MUST</strong> absolutely necessary? It assumes the application protocol is sending data in 0-RTT that's dependent on the previous "connection characteristics", but that's not absolutely necessary.</li>
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This looks accurate to me too.  @larseggert - do you want me to close this out?

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Gah! Thanks @kazu-yamamoto for catching this!!



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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Kazu Yamamoto <kazu@iij.ad.jp>
  Date:   2020-11-27 (Fri, 27 Nov 2020)

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  reviving a missing line.


  Commit: a1764c6096448cd0e9574caf94773783c5f975ff
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  Merge pull request #4411 from kazu-yamamoto/fix-new-token

transport: new_token: reviving a missing line.


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Fixes: #4401
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4401.">Fixes</span>: <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="747326222" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4401" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4401/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4401">#4401</a></p>

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  [qpack] Update security considerations TOC

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Closed #4401 via #4416.

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This is good. The problem with non-ack-eliciting packets is that a sender cannot infer anything about network conditions when it isn't expecting an ack. Meaning that the receiver could have received everything and simply not responded if none of those packets are ack-eliciting.

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<p>This is good. The problem with non-ack-eliciting packets is that a sender cannot infer anything about network conditions when it isn't expecting an ack. Meaning that the receiver could have received everything and simply not responded if none of those packets are ack-eliciting.</p>

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  Minor update


  Commit: 9972f7fc231531ac1a93a6bc925c9674a800b0e3
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  Merge pull request #4414 from quicwg/ianswett-persistent-congestion

Minor update to Persistent Congestion


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> @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.

The peer could still change its address, right?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4335#discussion_r533814181">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
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<p>The peer could still change its address, right?</p>

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@mirjak If the application is unable to fully saturate the congestion control window, then it is not possible to increase the window. [See this section](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-32#section-7.8).

PADDING packets can be used to fully utilize the congestion window such that the window can be increased. My interpretation is that the RFC counts PADDING-only frames towards the congestion window solely for this purpose. I don't think this is justifiable and the RFC would be simpler/safer if the congestion control window only applied to packets with an elicit frame (currently it's an elicit or padding frame).


That being said, yeah it's far too late in the process to make changes now. I wish I had gotten involved earlier! Feel free to close with no action.

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<p>PADDING packets can be used to fully utilize the congestion window such that the window can be increased. My interpretation is that the RFC counts PADDING-only frames towards the congestion window solely for this purpose. I don't think this is justifiable and the RFC would be simpler/safer if the congestion control window only applied to packets with an elicit frame (currently it's an elicit or padding frame).</p>
<p>That being said, yeah it's far too late in the process to make changes now. I wish I had gotten involved earlier! Feel free to close with no action.</p>

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Another purpose of padding is to send QUIC packets when there might otherwise be nothing to send, a possible means of improving privacy protections against traffic analysis. Since the packets consume a resource, its important to recommend a safe default behaviour for congestion.

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<p>Another purpose of padding is to send QUIC packets when there might otherwise be nothing to send, a possible means of improving privacy protections against traffic analysis. Since the packets consume a resource, its important to recommend a safe default behaviour for congestion.</p>

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I agree with @martinthomson too.

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@MikeBishop The text that you quote talks about the behavior of the transport. It also implies that from the viewpoint of the application, the stream opened in 0-RTT will continue to flow using 1-RTT packets.

My point is that such assumption is different from RFC 8446 that states that the stack "MUST NOT automatically resend 0-RTT data if it is rejected by the server unless instructed by the application," because in QUIC-TLS we do not have such a requirement (asking applications to specify if streams opened during 0-RTT MUST be closed unless instructed by the application). As @nibanks says, we do not even know how that can be achieved.

To summarize, the 0-RTT requirements of QUIC-TLS is different from RFC 8446, and QUIC-TLS is defining it's own rules.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> The text that you quote talks about the behavior of the transport. It also implies that from the viewpoint of the application, the stream opened in 0-RTT will continue to flow using 1-RTT packets.</p>
<p>My point is that such assumption is different from RFC 8446 that states that the stack "MUST NOT automatically resend 0-RTT data if it is rejected by the server unless instructed by the application," because in QUIC-TLS we do not have such a requirement (asking applications to specify if streams opened during 0-RTT MUST be closed unless instructed by the application). As <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/nibanks/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/nibanks">@nibanks</a> says, we do not even know how that can be achieved.</p>
<p>To summarize, the 0-RTT requirements of QUIC-TLS is different from RFC 8446, and QUIC-TLS is defining it's own rules.</p>

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@Jana, yes, you don't know anything when you don't received an ACK. However, you may still received an ACK for non-ACK-eliciting packet (as that is not forbidden) and then you do know something that you should not ignore. The text is unclear about that. Maybe adding another sentence is the right thing to do.

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> @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.

If you have changed the address and don't have a conn ID, you cannot associate the packet to an existing connection anymore, no?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4335#discussion_r534049934">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.
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<p>If you have changed the address and don't have a conn ID, you cannot associate the packet to an existing connection anymore, no?</p>

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@kixelated if the scenario is to fill the cwnd window when there is not enough application traffic in order to further open the cwnd for later, then counting padding into the cwnd is the right thing to do (as you should not send more data then the cwnd allows for this probing)!

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In the Recovery genart review, Vijay Gurbani wrote:

> S1: "Mechanisms described in this document follow the spirit of existing
>  TCP congestion control and loss recovery mechanisms, described in RFCs,
>  various Internet-drafts, or academic papers ..." ==> It may be helpful
>  to provide some references to the RFCs and academic papers.  On the
>  academic paper side, a couple of survey papers may help.  A quick
>  search indicates the following recent publications may be useful:
> 
>  [1] Al-Saadi, R., Armitage, G., But, J. and Branch, P., 2019. A survey
>  of delay-based and hybrid TCP congestion control algorithms. IEEE
>  Communications Surveys & Tutorials, 21(4), pp.3609-3638.
>  [2] Widmer, J., Denda, R. and Mauve, M., 2001. A survey on TCP-friendly
>  congestion control. IEEE network, 15(3), pp.28-37.
> 
>  For RFCs, perhaps rfc5681 is useful to cite?  Any others?

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<p>In the Recovery genart review, Vijay Gurbani wrote:</p>
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<p>S1: "Mechanisms described in this document follow the spirit of existing<br>
TCP congestion control and loss recovery mechanisms, described in RFCs,<br>
various Internet-drafts, or academic papers ..." ==&gt; It may be helpful<br>
to provide some references to the RFCs and academic papers.  On the<br>
academic paper side, a couple of survey papers may help.  A quick<br>
search indicates the following recent publications may be useful:</p>
<p>[1] Al-Saadi, R., Armitage, G., But, J. and Branch, P., 2019. A survey<br>
of delay-based and hybrid TCP congestion control algorithms. IEEE<br>
Communications Surveys &amp; Tutorials, 21(4), pp.3609-3638.<br>
[2] Widmer, J., Denda, R. and Mauve, M., 2001. A survey on TCP-friendly<br>
congestion control. IEEE network, 15(3), pp.28-37.</p>
<p>For RFCs, perhaps rfc5681 is useful to cite?  Any others?</p>
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In the Recovery genart review, Vijay Gurbani wrote:

> S4.2, first paragraph: Perhaps citing rfc6298 is helpful here to further
>  provide information on the "retransmission ambiguity" problem?

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<p>S4.2, first paragraph: Perhaps citing rfc6298 is helpful here to further<br>
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Fixes #4362.  The definition of how you determine a certificate matches an origin isn&#39;t specific to reuse, so it belongs in the description of establishing a connection.  3.4 now just says that the certificate needs to also be authoritative for any other origins you want to reuse the connection for.

The issue also suggested making this easier to understand, so I&#39;d appreciate suggestions for greater clarity without losing the specifics.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4362.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744422581" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4362" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4362/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4362">#4362</a>.  The definition of how you determine a certificate matches an origin isn't specific to reuse, so it belongs in the description of establishing a connection.  3.4 now just says that the certificate needs to also be authoritative for any other origins you want to reuse the connection for.</p>
<p>The issue also suggested making this easier to understand, so I'd appreciate suggestions for greater clarity without losing the specifics.</p>

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Ah, I was right that I'd already made these changes -- I forgot to link it, but https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383 contained changes for this, specifically https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383/commits/f336847cf85b5eae42adcf4b8d7cf8ff9d45a269.  Can you confirm that these changes address the issue?

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<p>Ah, I was right that I'd already made these changes -- I forgot to link it, but <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744659306" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4383" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383">#4383</a> contained changes for this, specifically <a class="commit-link" data-hovercard-type="commit" data-hovercard-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f336847cf85b5eae42adcf4b8d7cf8ff9d45a269/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f336847cf85b5eae42adcf4b8d7cf8ff9d45a269"><tt>f336847</tt></a>.  Can you confirm that these changes address the issue?</p>

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This also was addressed in #4383, specifically https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383/commits/77ea56e18b33abd19356f57cc0a536ab428bbd20.

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<p>This also was addressed in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744659306" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4383" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4383">#4383</a>, specifically <a class="commit-link" data-hovercard-type="commit" data-hovercard-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77ea56e18b33abd19356f57cc0a536ab428bbd20/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77ea56e18b33abd19356f57cc0a536ab428bbd20"><tt>77ea56e</tt></a>.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

This LGTM. It's clear.



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> @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.

I see your point. You can still associate it in theory, though it might be fragile - this is left to the implementation ultimately. I agree with you that the "over any network path" is mostly redundant, but I am not sure that it hurts because I don't think it suggests something that is impossible.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4335#discussion_r534655634">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1163,6 +1163,11 @@ SHOULD ensure that the pool of connection IDs available to its peer allows the
 peer to use a new connection ID on migration, as the peer will be unable to
 respond if the pool is exhausted.
 
+An endpoint that selects a zero-length connection ID during the handshake
+cannot issue a new connection ID.  A zero-length Destination Connection ID
+field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint over any network
+path.
</pre>
<p>I see your point. You can still associate it in theory, though it might be fragile - this is left to the implementation ultimately. I agree with you that the "over any network path" is mostly redundant, but I am not sure that it hurts because I don't think it suggests something that is impossible.</p>

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#4414 tried to fix this descriptive text, but I think it missed the nuance in the mechanism below, which looks at loss of _all_ packets between two ack-eliciting packets.

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@mirjak: I'm not sure I follow. If a sender receives an ack for a non-ack-eliciting packet, that only establishes its receipt. I don't understand how what you are saying is a problem with this text.

That said, I do think this text incorrectly depicts the actual mechanism below, so I've written #4420.

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Removes the word ack-eliciting in the descriptive text to persistent congestion. It also contains minor text changes in the following of that section.
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  * recovery: persistent congestion and ack-eliciting

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (16)

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<p>Removes the word ack-eliciting in the descriptive text to persistent congestion. It also contains minor text changes in the following of that section.</p>

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  <li>recovery: persistent congestion and ack-eliciting</li>
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@msvoelker commented on this pull request.

Explanations to my changes in-line.

> @@ -990,17 +989,20 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
-A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
-least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an

I think it is better to write _after_. The check for persistent congestion might happen directly when receiving an ack, but it might also happen after the loss detection timer fires.

>  
 * the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the
   persistent congestion duration ({{pc-duration}}); and
 
 * a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent.
 
+The two packets to consider need to be ack-eliciting, because otherwise a sender
+cannot expect to receive an acknowledgement after a specific time.

I tried to explain, why the first and last packet need to be ack-eliciting as far as I understand it.

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<p>Explanations to my changes in-line.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421#discussion_r534800300">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -990,17 +989,20 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
-A sender establishes persistent congestion on receiving an acknowledgement if at
-least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an
</pre>
<p>I think it is better to write <em>after</em>. The check for persistent congestion might happen directly when receiving an ack, but it might also happen after the loss detection timer fires.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421#discussion_r534804892">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 * the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the
   persistent congestion duration ({{pc-duration}}); and
 
 * a prior RTT sample existed when both packets were sent.
 
+The two packets to consider need to be ack-eliciting, because otherwise a sender
+cannot expect to receive an acknowledgement after a specific time.
</pre>
<p>I tried to explain, why the first and last packet need to be ack-eliciting as far as I understand it.</p>

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Great! That is what I meant in #4413.

I tried to make comments on lines in the persistent congestion section that you did not touch and realized that this is not possible in github. So I created an own pull request #4421. Hope you don't mind.

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<p>Great! That is what I meant in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="753045071" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4413" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4413/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4413">#4413</a>.</p>
<p>I tried to make comments on lines in the persistent congestion section that you did not touch and realized that this is not possible in github. So I created an own pull request <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="755940335" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4421" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421">#4421</a>. Hope you don't mind.</p>

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Hello,

reading draft-32 we can notice the structure of the ShortHeaderPacket

```
Short Header Packet {
     Header Form (1) = 0,
     Fixed Bit (1) = 1,
     Spin Bit (1),
     Reserved Bits (2),
     Key Phase (1),
     Packet Number Length (2),
     Destination Connection ID (0..160),
     Packet Number (8..32),
     Packet Payload (..),
}
```

The `Destination Connection ID (0..160)` does not have a preceding `Destination Connection ID Length (8)`. In this case, we wouldn't know how many bytes does the connection ID occupies.


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<p>Hello,</p>
<p>reading draft-32 we can notice the structure of the ShortHeaderPacket</p>
<pre><code>Short Header Packet {
     Header Form (1) = 0,
     Fixed Bit (1) = 1,
     Spin Bit (1),
     Reserved Bits (2),
     Key Phase (1),
     Packet Number Length (2),
     Destination Connection ID (0..160),
     Packet Number (8..32),
     Packet Payload (..),
}
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<p>The <code>Destination Connection ID (0..160)</code> does not have a preceding <code>Destination Connection ID Length (8)</code>. In this case, we wouldn't know how many bytes does the connection ID occupies.</p>

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This is discussed in [Section 5.1](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-32#section-5.1):
> Packets with short headers (Section 17.3) only include the
   Destination Connection ID and omit the explicit length.  The length
   of the Destination Connection ID field is expected to be known to
   endpoints. 

Your endpoint will need to remember the length chosen for a connection.

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<p>This is discussed in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-32#section-5.1" rel="nofollow">Section 5.1</a>:</p>
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<p>Packets with short headers (Section 17.3) only include the<br>
Destination Connection ID and omit the explicit length.  The length<br>
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<p>Your endpoint will need to remember the length chosen for a connection.</p>

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

This looks good, but I think we can add a MUST here -- I've suggested text. This is implied at the moment, but it's best to make it explicit. I don't think  this changes any requirements, so I would still think of this as editorial.

@ianswett?

> +The two packets to consider need to be ack-eliciting, because otherwise a sender
+cannot expect to receive an acknowledgement after a specific time.

```suggestion
These two packets MUST be ack-eliciting, since a receiver is required to
acknowledge only ack-eliciting packets within its maximum ack delay; see Section
13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
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I'm happy to take #4421 instead of this.

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@LPardue Good idea, but a network observer could easily detect that these PADDING packets are not ack-eliciting. You would use PING frames if you wanted to fake STREAM traffic. The only thing you could use PADDING frames for would be to fake ACK-only packets... except your PADDING packets are subject to congestion control. A network observer could potentially use this fact to identify ACK-only versus PADDING-only packets.

@mirjak You would fill the congestion window with PING frames instead of PROBE frames. The difference is that PING frames elicit ACKs, both freeing up the congestion window while verifying the network can handle the additional ACK load.

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You are right it's not really incorrect , I just found it confusing giving potentially the impression that using multiple paths without CID is "easily" possible. How about this phrasing to be even more clear:

"A zero-length Destination Connection ID
field is used in all packets sent toward such an endpoint and this cannot be changed even if the network
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<p>You are right it's not really incorrect , I just found it confusing giving potentially the impression that using multiple paths without CID is "easily" possible. How about this phrasing to be even more clear:</p>
<p>"A zero-length Destination Connection ID<br>
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@gloinul with @martinthomson's furher comment, do you still suggest changes?

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@MikeBishop replied to IANA [by email](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/ZXhbtZ-0BBjPKkGMQwUcIAS8gpE). Closing this issue.

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Or wait, @MikeBishop replied for -tls. Did anyone reply yet for -transport. (Reopening.)

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Reopened #4377.

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<p>Reopened <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744440928" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4377" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4377/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4377">#4377</a>.</p>

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Could we make some progress here?

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@martinthomson why did you reopen this?

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<p>If people want to argue for that change, they need to do so now.</p>

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@afrind so are you proposing any changes to the text?

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I'll assign this to @martinthomson, since I think that is his code.

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<p>I'll assign this to <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a>, since I think that is his code.</p>

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Could we make some progress on this one?

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I think this helps?

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  * [qpack] Clarify applicability of dynamic table state probing to QPACK and HTTP

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (6)

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<p>I think this helps?</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4399.">Fixes</span>: <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="747325046" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4399" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4399/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4399">#4399</a></p>

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  <li>[qpack] Clarify applicability of dynamic table state probing to QPACK and HTTP</li>
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* Replace "0" with 0 when referring to indexes
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@ianswett approved this pull request.

Some small suggestions that I think might improve consistency, but no strong feelings.

> @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Indexed Field Line"}
 
-This representation starts with the '1' 1-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
+This representation starts with the '1' one-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
 indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The 6-bit

For consistency?

```suggestion
indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The six-bit
```

> @@ -1054,9 +1055,9 @@ of the Base.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Indexed Field Line with Post-Base Index"}
 
-This representation starts with the '0001' 4-bit pattern.  This is followed by
-the post-base index ({{post-base}}) of the matching field line, represented as
-an integer with a 4-bit prefix; see {{prefixed-integers}}.
+This representation starts with the '0001' four-bit pattern.  This is followed
+by the post-base index ({{post-base}}) of the matching field line, represented
+as an integer with a 4-bit prefix; see {{prefixed-integers}}.

```suggestion
as an integer with a four-bit prefix; see {{prefixed-integers}}.
```

> @@ -1143,7 +1144,7 @@ field name and a field value as string literals.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Literal Field Line With Literal Name"}
 
-This representation begins with the '001' three-bit pattern.  The fourth bit is
+This representation starts with the '001' three-bit pattern.  The fourth bit is
 the 'N' bit as described in {{literal-name-reference}}.  The name follows,
 represented as a 4-bit prefix string literal, then the value, represented as an

```suggestion
represented as a four-bit prefix string literal, then the value, represented as an
```

> @@ -1143,7 +1144,7 @@ field name and a field value as string literals.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Literal Field Line With Literal Name"}
 
-This representation begins with the '001' three-bit pattern.  The fourth bit is
+This representation starts with the '001' three-bit pattern.  The fourth bit is
 the 'N' bit as described in {{literal-name-reference}}.  The name follows,
 represented as a 4-bit prefix string literal, then the value, represented as an
 8-bit prefix string literal; see {{string-literals}}.

```suggestion
eight-bit prefix string literal; see {{string-literals}}.
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on_r536817714">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>=0D
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-This representation starts with the &#39;1&#39; 1-bit pattern, followed =
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>  TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
-message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
-unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
+message in a 1-RTT packet as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a
+fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).

```suggestion
fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message; see {{tls-errors}}.
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  Branch: refs/heads/idempotent-not
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1870b8d6699e9253bff9f395db496d2ab8eef71
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-07 (Mon, 07 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  don't use unless requested

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>



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> @@ -1276,10 +1276,31 @@ If 0-RTT keys are available (see {{enable-0rtt}}), the lack of replay protection
 means that restrictions on their use are necessary to avoid replay attacks on
 the protocol.
 
-A client MUST only use 0-RTT keys to protect data that is idempotent.  A client
-MAY wish to apply additional restrictions on what data it sends prior to the
-completion of the TLS handshake.  A client otherwise treats 0-RTT keys as
-equivalent to 1-RTT keys, except that it MUST NOT send ACKs with 0-RTT keys.
+Of the frames defined in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}, the STREAM, RESET_STREAM, and
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are potentially unsafe for use with 0-RTT as they

How about you have to pay a fine for every PROTOCOL_VIOLATION that clients report?

All of this is completely contrived, but as David says, better that you know.  I don't think that it needs a ton of explanation though.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4394#discussion_r537377228">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1276,10 +1276,31 @@ If 0-RTT keys are available (see {{enable-0rtt}}), the lack of replay protection
 means that restrictions on their use are necessary to avoid replay attacks on
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-completion of the TLS handshake.  A client otherwise treats 0-RTT keys as
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+Of the frames defined in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}, the STREAM, RESET_STREAM, and
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are potentially unsafe for use with 0-RTT as they
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<p>How about you have to pay a fine for every PROTOCOL_VIOLATION that clients report?</p>
<p>All of this is completely contrived, but as David says, better that you know.  I don't think that it needs a ton of explanation though.</p>

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@nibanks:

> When informed of 0-RTT rejection, they have the option of aborting any stream data they had queued (and allowed the use of 0-RTT). This would result in the corresponding STREAM_RESET/STOP_SENDING frames being sent to the peer in 1-RTT. I the app doesn't abort, then we'd immediately retransmit the stream data in a 1-RTT packet the first chance we got. Should we not be doing this? 

Yes, you should not do this.  Take the case where 0-RTT is rejected because the stream limit is reduced.  If your application sends on 10 streams and is only permitted to send on 5 with the updated transport parameters, those frames will be sent and cause various errors.  The only response that is completely safe is to tell the application that everything it did was undone and that the connection has been reverted to a pristine state.

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> To summarize, the 0-RTT requirements of QUIC-TLS is different from RFC 8446, and QUIC-TLS is defining it's own rules.

I think here that they are not as different as you imply.  What is different here is that QUIC has a split between QUIC-stuff and app-stuff that we are being clearer about.  TLS just sort of says "data" without qualification, which is OK because TLS with TCP only really has to deal with data (and EOED), assuming that you don't have other record types in 0-RTT (which is maybe possible, but likely a terrible idea).

However, if you consider the Section 8 text to apply to *application data*, then we're entirely consistent.  TLS doesn't say "idempotent is OK", it's quite a bit more nuanced than that.  What we're doing is building on that, not redefining it.


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<p>When informed of 0-RTT rejection, they have the option of aborting any stream data they had queued (and allowed the use of 0-RTT). This would result in the corresponding STREAM_RESET/STOP_SENDING frames being sent to the peer in 1-RTT. I the app doesn't abort, then we'd immediately retransmit the stream data in a 1-RTT packet the first chance we got. Should we not be doing this?</p>
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<p>Yes, you should not do this.  Take the case where 0-RTT is rejected because the stream limit is reduced.  If your application sends on 10 streams and is only permitted to send on 5 with the updated transport parameters, those frames will be sent and cause various errors.  The only response that is completely safe is to tell the application that everything it did was undone and that the connection has been reverted to a pristine state.</p>
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<p>To summarize, the 0-RTT requirements of QUIC-TLS is different from RFC 8446, and QUIC-TLS is defining it's own rules.</p>
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<p>I think here that they are not as different as you imply.  What is different here is that QUIC has a split between QUIC-stuff and app-stuff that we are being clearer about.  TLS just sort of says "data" without qualification, which is OK because TLS with TCP only really has to deal with data (and EOED), assuming that you don't have other record types in 0-RTT (which is maybe possible, but likely a terrible idea).</p>
<p>However, if you consider the Section 8 text to apply to <em>application data</em>, then we're entirely consistent.  TLS doesn't say "idempotent is OK", it's quite a bit more nuanced than that.  What we're doing is building on that, not redefining it.</p>

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The change in #4389 was marked as design; I figured that you (as chairs) would want to discuss and resolve.

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<p>The change in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="745180305" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4389" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4389/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4389">#4389</a> was marked as design; I figured that you (as chairs) would want to discuss and resolve.</p>

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I can confirm this, but it won't matter as -33 will have new values entirely.

The mask value should be 56fb1381e7 for the second example.

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<p>I can confirm this, but it won't matter as -33 will have new values entirely.</p>
<p>The mask value should be 56fb1381e7 for the second example.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Seems fine.

>  The "https" scheme associates authority with possession of a certificate that
 the client considers to be trustworthy for the host identified by the authority
-component of the URL. If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
-controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured
-TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the
-"https" scheme and a host identified in the certificate.
+component of the URL.  If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
+controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS
+session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https"
+scheme and a host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either
+as the CN field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName
+field of the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address,
+the client MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the
+subjectAltName field of the certificate.  If the hostname or address is not
+present in the certificate, the client MUST NOT consider the server
+authoritative for origins containing that hostname or address.  See Section 4.3
+of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative access.

Breaking up this mega-paragraph might help some.

> @@ -316,10 +316,17 @@ authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 4.3 of
 
 The "https" scheme associates authority with possession of a certificate that
 the client considers to be trustworthy for the host identified by the authority
-component of the URL. If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
-controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured
-TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the
-"https" scheme and a host identified in the certificate.
+component of the URL.  If a server presents a certificate and proof that it

Split here (and maybe "valid certificate").

> @@ -316,10 +316,17 @@ authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 4.3 of
 
 The "https" scheme associates authority with possession of a certificate that
 the client considers to be trustworthy for the host identified by the authority
-component of the URL. If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
-controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured
-TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the
-"https" scheme and a host identified in the certificate.
+component of the URL.  If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
+controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS
+session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https"
+scheme and a host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either
+as the CN field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName
+field of the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address,
+the client MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the
+subjectAltName field of the certificate.  If the hostname or address is not

Maybe split here too.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Seems fine.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4419#discussion_r537397784">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  The &quot;https&quot; scheme associates authority with possession of a certificate that
 the client considers to be trustworthy for the host identified by the authority
-component of the URL. If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
-controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured
-TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the
-&quot;https&quot; scheme and a host identified in the certificate.
+component of the URL.  If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
+controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS
+session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot;
+scheme and a host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either
+as the CN field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName
+field of the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address,
+the client MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the
+subjectAltName field of the certificate.  If the hostname or address is not
+present in the certificate, the client MUST NOT consider the server
+authoritative for origins containing that hostname or address.  See Section 4.3
+of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative access.
</pre>
<p>Breaking up this mega-paragraph might help some.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4419#discussion_r537398012">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -316,10 +316,17 @@ authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 4.3 of
 
 The &quot;https&quot; scheme associates authority with possession of a certificate that
 the client considers to be trustworthy for the host identified by the authority
-component of the URL. If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
-controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured
-TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the
-&quot;https&quot; scheme and a host identified in the certificate.
+component of the URL.  If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
</pre>
<p>Split here (and maybe "valid certificate").</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4419#discussion_r537398158">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -316,10 +316,17 @@ authoritative server for an HTTP URL is discussed in Section 4.3 of
 
 The &quot;https&quot; scheme associates authority with possession of a certificate that
 the client considers to be trustworthy for the host identified by the authority
-component of the URL. If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
-controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured
-TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the
-&quot;https&quot; scheme and a host identified in the certificate.
+component of the URL.  If a server presents a certificate and proof that it
+controls the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS
+session with that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot;
+scheme and a host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either
+as the CN field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName
+field of the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address,
+the client MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the
+subjectAltName field of the certificate.  If the hostname or address is not
</pre>
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@martinthomson would you link this issue to the PR that will update the values for -33 so it gets closed then?

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Ah, I missed that - thanks.

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@martinthomson we don't resend the old data blindly. We will use the new transport parameters and generate new 0-RTT packets accordingly. Going back to a pristine state seems kind of catastrophic. You're saying we have to essentially force all application protocols to just start over completely? I can think of several examples where it doesn't matter what the server's TP change to, the application data could just be resent as is (limited by new FC as needed): for example, the client's initial state or settings.

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> @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
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 {: title="Indexed Field Line"}
 
-This representation starts with the '1' 1-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
+This representation starts with the '1' one-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
 indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The 6-bit

I should have mentioned this in the summary.  This is intentional, because the spec defines an "N-bit prefix" to mean something very specific, and that was consistently used in numeric format.  HPACK also had the "one-bit pattern"/"4-bit prefix" as well.  It just got out of sync in some of the QPACK additions.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4424#discussion_r537700948">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
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  structural changes to short-header packet format section


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  Merge pull request #4407 from quicwg/short-header

Restructure short header section


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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Looking good, one further suggestion.

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-* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between these two send
-  times are declared lost;
+* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
+  these two packets are declared lost;

This is an existing problem, but I'd suggest
```suggestion
  two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost;
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If you think that you can do better, then fine.  But the number of ways in which this could be broken are numerous: different ALPN, different stream limits, different flow control, and all sorts of things.  I'd say you are more likely to get catastrophic results by trying to retain state.

Separately, it sounds like you are accepting data for which you don't have flow control credit, for which you are also tempting fate when it comes to deadlocks.

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<p>If you think that you can do better, then fine.  But the number of ways in which this could be broken are numerous: different ALPN, different stream limits, different flow control, and all sorts of things.  I'd say you are more likely to get catastrophic results by trying to retain state.</p>
<p>Separately, it sounds like you are accepting data for which you don't have flow control credit, for which you are also tempting fate when it comes to deadlocks.</p>

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> But the number of ways in which this could be broken are numerous: different ALPN, different stream limits, different flow control, and all sorts of things.

Can you explain how different ALPNs would work? My TLS understanding is probably lacking here. I don't understand that one. If you're doing/trying 0-RTT that means the client is using a single ALPN, right? If the connection continues, but 0-RTT is rejected, it'd still have to be that ALPN right?

> Separately, it sounds like you are accepting data for which you don't have flow control credit, for which you are also tempting fate when it comes to deadlocks.

If by this, you mean accepting data on the sender side, in preparation to send it, before the receiver has indicated enough FC window to accept it, then yes, we do allow the app to queue as much data up for send as it has available. As far as "tempting fate" I'd have to strongly disagree. This is a very common pattern **necessary** to "keep the pipe full" for performance. If I had to go ask the app for more data every time I got a window update from the peer, perf would tank.

Still, even with all these things changing, I don't see any current transport parameter or TLS setting that might change as a result of rejected 0-RTT that would prevent an application layer message saying something like "I support app feature X" being immediately retransmitting in 1-RTT by the transport (if the FC windows allow). For this reason, I don't think we MUST require applications to abandon everything and start over. We can strongly recommend and warn of possible issues. And as I mentioned before I don't know how you'd even enforce that must.

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<p>Can you explain how different ALPNs would work? My TLS understanding is probably lacking here. I don't understand that one. If you're doing/trying 0-RTT that means the client is using a single ALPN, right? If the connection continues, but 0-RTT is rejected, it'd still have to be that ALPN right?</p>
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<p>If by this, you mean accepting data on the sender side, in preparation to send it, before the receiver has indicated enough FC window to accept it, then yes, we do allow the app to queue as much data up for send as it has available. As far as "tempting fate" I'd have to strongly disagree. This is a very common pattern <strong>necessary</strong> to "keep the pipe full" for performance. If I had to go ask the app for more data every time I got a window update from the peer, perf would tank.</p>
<p>Still, even with all these things changing, I don't see any current transport parameter or TLS setting that might change as a result of rejected 0-RTT that would prevent an application layer message saying something like "I support app feature X" being immediately retransmitting in 1-RTT by the transport (if the FC windows allow). For this reason, I don't think we MUST require applications to abandon everything and start over. We can strongly recommend and warn of possible issues. And as I mentioned before I don't know how you'd even enforce that must.</p>

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> Can you explain how different ALPNs would work? 

A client can offer multiple protocols in the ALPN extension.  It should, because if it misrepresents its preferences, then that exposes it to downgrade attacks.  However, if it previously used one protocol and the server chooses a different protocol, the server has to reject 0-RTT.  But the server does have that choice.  At that point anything the client did in 0-RTT is completely invalid because it's a different protocol.

> necessary to "keep the pipe full" for performance

I realize that, just noting the deadlock risk.  I'm sure that it's OK if it's just message payloads.  Probably.

> I don't think we MUST require applications to abandon everything and start over

I never said that.  I said that what you are doing is risky.  Rejecting 0-RTT invalidates every assumption the client has made about what it can and can't do, starting from the application protocol.  When you optimize in the way you have, you are making a bet about what stays the same.  I just wanted to ensure that you  understood the consequences of that bet.

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<p>A client can offer multiple protocols in the ALPN extension.  It should, because if it misrepresents its preferences, then that exposes it to downgrade attacks.  However, if it previously used one protocol and the server chooses a different protocol, the server has to reject 0-RTT.  But the server does have that choice.  At that point anything the client did in 0-RTT is completely invalid because it's a different protocol.</p>
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<p>I realize that, just noting the deadlock risk.  I'm sure that it's OK if it's just message payloads.  Probably.</p>
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<p>I never said that.  I said that what you are doing is risky.  Rejecting 0-RTT invalidates every assumption the client has made about what it can and can't do, starting from the application protocol.  When you optimize in the way you have, you are making a bet about what stays the same.  I just wanted to ensure that you  understood the consequences of that bet.</p>

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So, even when doing 0-RTT the client is still expected/allowed to offer multiple ALPNS?

As far as the MUST I thought someone pointed to text that essentially already stated that. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I'm sorry if it came off that way. As to the risks involved, I totally agree there be dragons here...

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<p>So, even when doing 0-RTT the client is still expected/allowed to offer multiple ALPNS?</p>
<p>As far as the MUST I thought someone pointed to text that essentially already stated that. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I'm sorry if it came off that way. As to the risks involved, I totally agree there be dragons here...</p>

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Yes, if the client supports multiple protocols, it needs to include them always.  If a better option than what was previously used becomes viable (e.g., the server might support h5), then using that is preferable to continue use of a less-preferred option.  Even if that less-preferred option allows 0-RTT.

The 0-RTT use is just once; the new protocol is potentially forever (especially if the reason for preferring the new protocol is that the old protocol has a security flaw).

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<p>The 0-RTT use is just once; the new protocol is potentially forever (especially if the reason for preferring the new protocol is that the old protocol has a security flaw).</p>

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Ok. Thanks @martinthomson. That makes sense. I'll need to add a test case for this, and make sure we support this appropriately.

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<p>Ok. Thanks <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a>. That makes sense. I'll need to add a test case for this, and make sure we support this appropriately.</p>

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decd1ddc5f8235cbf2798fbb905cd1db92751a00  Apply suggestions from code review


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I'm taking the suggested changes and this PR. Thanks, @msvoelker !

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: a8d9ffe11366b3466576c166788873bfb4cd42aa
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a8d9ffe11366b3466576c166788873bfb4cd42aa
  Author: msvoelker <timo.voelker@fh-muenster.de>
  Date:   2020-12-03 (Thu, 03 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  recovery: persistent congestion and ack-eliciting


  Commit: decd1ddc5f8235cbf2798fbb905cd1db92751a00
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/decd1ddc5f8235cbf2798fbb905cd1db92751a00
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-12-07 (Mon, 07 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Apply suggestions from code review

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  Commit: a7bb69a126c9b259b8904cd0dfc9fd8a2d910e59
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  Date:   2020-12-07 (Mon, 07 Dec 2020)

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  Merge pull request #4421 from msvoelker/master

recovery: persistent congestion and ack-eliciting


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Fixes #4417.
Fixes #4418.
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  * Fix recovery references and some text.
  * unnecessary phrase

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4417.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="755518961" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4417" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4417/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4417">#4417</a>.<br>
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There is a MUST, see @MikeBishop 's [comment above](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4393#issuecomment-736879678).

@martinthomson: Is there clarification text that can help with your [response to @kazuho 's comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4393#issuecomment-739818940)?

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<p>There is a MUST, see <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> 's <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4393#issuecomment-736879678" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4393/hovercard">comment above</a>.</p>
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@martinthomson 
> However, if you consider the Section 8 text to apply to application data, then we're entirely consistent. TLS doesn't say "idempotent is OK", it's quite a bit more nuanced than that. What we're doing is building on that, not redefining it.

Thank you for elaborating. I think I misused the word "redefine." QUIC is using 0-RTT in a specific way that is permitted by TLS. Specifically, QUIC stacks are assumed to automatically resend 0-RTT data using 1-RTT keys, rather than delegating the decision to the application. If necessary, we can point that out as the difference.

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<p>Thank you for elaborating. I think I misused the word "redefine." QUIC is using 0-RTT in a specific way that is permitted by TLS. Specifically, QUIC stacks are assumed to automatically resend 0-RTT data using 1-RTT keys, rather than delegating the decision to the application. If necessary, we can point that out as the difference.</p>

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Response here should be the same as #4372. I'll write out the response here, so we can agree on the responses to all their questions; one of us can then collate them and send them to IANA in a single email. Response as follows:

```
With regard to the GREASE values (the questions below), we specifically did not want the values shown as Reserved for two
different reasons. First, as a practical matter, 148 quadrillion reserved entries would be difficult to list on the page and will
drown any actual reservations. Second, the point of these values is that an implementer should be following the guidance to
ignore unknown values; having an explicit list encourages an explicitly defined reaction.

The intent, which we wanted to confirm was possible, was simply to say that IANA should not accept registrations for these
values. That feels functionally equivalent to Reserved; if it's possible to be "reserved but not listed," that's a reasonable
implementation. If it's necessary to have the note present, we prefer the "will not be assigned by IANA" language you've used
for the Error Code registry over noting them as Reserved.
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<p>Response here should be the same as <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744436065" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4372" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4372/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4372">#4372</a>. I'll write out the response here, so we can agree on the responses to all their questions; one of us can then collate them and send them to IANA in a single email. Response as follows:</p>
<pre><code>With regard to the GREASE values (the questions below), we specifically did not want the values shown as Reserved for two
different reasons. First, as a practical matter, 148 quadrillion reserved entries would be difficult to list on the page and will
drown any actual reservations. Second, the point of these values is that an implementer should be following the guidance to
ignore unknown values; having an explicit list encourages an explicitly defined reaction.

The intent, which we wanted to confirm was possible, was simply to say that IANA should not accept registrations for these
values. That feels functionally equivalent to Reserved; if it's possible to be "reserved but not listed," that's a reasonable
implementation. If it's necessary to have the note present, we prefer the "will not be assigned by IANA" language you've used
for the Error Code registry over noting them as Reserved.
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@martinthomson: Do we just want to point IANA to the new text here?

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I think #4389 fixes this too. @martinthomson ?

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<p>I think <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="745180305" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4389" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4389/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4389">#4389</a> fixes this too. <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> ?</p>

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>  
-* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between these two send
-  times are declared lost;
+* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
+  these two packets are declared lost;

All three bullet points referred to the "at least two ack-eliciting packets" (1) mentioned in the text before the bullet points. In my understanding of the new text, the ack-eliciting packets (2) mentioned in the first bullet point could be other packets than (1). Maybe (2) are not even declared lost.
Was this the intention or is my understanding just wrong?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421#discussion_r538073397">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between these two send
-  times are declared lost;
+* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
+  these two packets are declared lost;
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<p>All three bullet points referred to the "at least two ack-eliciting packets" (1) mentioned in the text before the bullet points. In my understanding of the new text, the ack-eliciting packets (2) mentioned in the first bullet point could be other packets than (1). Maybe (2) are not even declared lost.<br>
Was this the intention or is my understanding just wrong?</p>

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I changed the pseudo code such that the function InPersistentCongestion gets all lost packets sent after the first RTT sample, not only those that count as in flight.
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  * recovery: pseudo code update for changes in #4421

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<p>I changed the pseudo code such that the function InPersistentCongestion gets all lost packets sent after the first RTT sample, not only those that count as in flight.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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I think that there is a lot of commentary that might go along with these documents.  Particular when it comes to understanding how things like 0-RTT and its interactions with transport state, loss recovery, and other things.  I fear that if we get into too much detail in specifications it will be hard to get right and much harder to wade through to get the important stuff.  I'm content leaving this to commentary.

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  Branch: refs/heads/http-forgery
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/406b63609d3bf7cc032002a94ec4cb8e4453af60
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-08 (Tue, 08 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  Cross-protocol attacks are maybe possible

Mostly because QUIC doesn't prevent all forms of request forgery.
Thankfully, this is dealt with in detail in the transport draft.

Closes #4364.



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Mostly because QUIC doesn&#39;t prevent all forms of request forgery.
Thankfully, this is dealt with in detail in the transport draft.

Closes #4364.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4427

-- Commit Summary --

  * Cross-protocol attacks are maybe possible

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (11)

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<p>Mostly because QUIC doesn't prevent all forms of request forgery.<br>
Thankfully, this is dealt with in detail in the transport draft.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4364.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744423259" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4364" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4364/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4364">#4364</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Cross-protocol attacks are maybe possible</li>
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This is NOT ready.  In fact, this is very much un-ready.  I'm in the process of changing salts and retry keys and discovered that this codepoint needs a final value.  I've asked the experts to expedite expert review and - if necessary - to request an early allocation.  

I think that this blocks publication of -33.

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<p>This is NOT ready.  In fact, this is very much un-ready.  I'm in the process of changing salts and retry keys and discovered that this codepoint needs a final value.  I've asked the experts to expedite expert review and - if necessary - to request an early allocation.</p>
<p>I think that this blocks publication of -33.</p>

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Paging @theri, since I don't think anyone has.  You've seen the changes already, but just need to confirm the issue is addressed.

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Actually, @gloinul said in response to the e-mail that this guidance should be in the document:

> I think IANA can clarify, but I think they simply want explicit indication on
> that these shall not be part of the table in the documents IANA section. 
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> So a minor text change should take care of this for them. 

Let's re-open to track.  I don't think all instances of this question need separate issues, though.

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<p>Actually, <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/gloinul/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/gloinul">@gloinul</a> said in response to the e-mail that this guidance should be in the document:</p>
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<p>I think IANA can clarify, but I think they simply want explicit indication on<br>
that these shall not be part of the table in the documents IANA section.</p>
<p>So a minor text change should take care of this for them.</p>
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<p>Let's re-open to track.  I don't think all instances of this question need separate issues, though.</p>

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Reopened #4372.

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> @@ -1235,8 +1235,9 @@ recovered successfully. However, values with low entropy remain vulnerable.
 Attacks of this nature are possible any time that two mutually distrustful
 entities control requests or responses that are placed onto a single HTTP/3
 connection. If the shared QPACK compressor permits one entity to add entries to
-the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries, then the state of the
-table can be learned.
+the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries to encode chosen field

Not sure if including this commit (from PR 4423) in this PR is intentional.

> @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Indexed Field Line"}
 
-This representation starts with the '1' 1-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
+This representation starts with the '1' one-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
 indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The 6-bit

I agree with Ian that it would be nice to have a consistent rule across pattern and prefix about writing number numbers with digits versus words.  For example, always write with digits, or always write out in words.  I've also seen style guides recommending words for numbers up to ten and digits starting from 11 (just like in this sentence).  Well, N is always at most 7, so we should probably always use digits or always use words, but preferably do the same for patterns and prefixes within a single document.

I agree with Alan that consistency with HPACK is also desirable.  Now HPACK has 5 occurrences of "N-bit pattern" and 14 occurrences of "N-bit prefix" with specific values for N, and every single one of them uses digits to represent N (just like in this sentence).

In contrast, QPACK before this change has 10 occurrences of N-bit pattern with N in words, 2 occurrences of N-bit pattern with N in digits, 0 occurrences of N-bit prefix with N in words, and 20 occurrences of N-bit prefix with N in digits (only counting occurrences where N is a specific number, not A or N or N-1).  This change would make all 12 patterns written in words but leave all 20 prefixes in digits.  For consistency, I suggest changing all N-bit patterns to writing N in digits.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4424#discussion_r538520931">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1235,8 +1235,9 @@ recovered successfully. However, values with low entropy remain vulnerable.
 Attacks of this nature are possible any time that two mutually distrustful
 entities control requests or responses that are placed onto a single HTTP/3
 connection. If the shared QPACK compressor permits one entity to add entries to
-the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries, then the state of the
-table can be learned.
+the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries to encode chosen field
</pre>
<p>Not sure if including this commit (from PR 4423) in this PR is intentional.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4424#discussion_r538540682">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title=&quot;Indexed Field Line&quot;}
 
-This representation starts with the &#39;1&#39; 1-bit pattern, followed by the &#39;T&#39; bit
+This representation starts with the &#39;1&#39; one-bit pattern, followed by the &#39;T&#39; bit
 indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The 6-bit
</pre>
<p>I agree with Ian that it would be nice to have a consistent rule across pattern and prefix about writing number numbers with digits versus words.  For example, always write with digits, or always write out in words.  I've also seen style guides recommending words for numbers up to ten and digits starting from 11 (just like in this sentence).  Well, N is always at most 7, so we should probably always use digits or always use words, but preferably do the same for patterns and prefixes within a single document.</p>
<p>I agree with Alan that consistency with HPACK is also desirable.  Now HPACK has 5 occurrences of "N-bit pattern" and 14 occurrences of "N-bit prefix" with specific values for N, and every single one of them uses digits to represent N (just like in this sentence).</p>
<p>In contrast, QPACK before this change has 10 occurrences of N-bit pattern with N in words, 2 occurrences of N-bit pattern with N in digits, 0 occurrences of N-bit prefix with N in words, and 20 occurrences of N-bit prefix with N in digits (only counting occurrences where N is a specific number, not A or N or N-1).  This change would make all 12 patterns written in words but leave all 20 prefixes in digits.  For consistency, I suggest changing all N-bit patterns to writing N in digits.</p>

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IANA&#39;s review wanted to know whether the 148 quadrillion GREASE values should be listed on the registry page as Reserved, and what note should be present if not.

They should not, lest it be challenging to actually download the registry page within the lifetime of the human race.  This rewords the restriction and clarifies that the restriction should be the note.

Fixes #4372.
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  * Don&#39;t DoS the IANA registry page

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (33)

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<p>IANA's review wanted to know whether the 148 quadrillion GREASE values should be listed on the registry page as Reserved, and what note should be present if not.</p>
<p>They should not, lest it be challenging to actually download the registry page within the lifetime of the human race.  This rewords the restriction and clarifies that the restriction should be the note.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4372.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744436065" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4372" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4372/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4372">#4372</a>.</p>

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So the related questions were:

- **Should the GREASE values be listed in the registry as Reserved?**  No, because some rough estimation suggests it would take a few millennia to download the registry page if this were the case.
- **Should there be a note indicating which values cannot be assigned?**  I'm of two minds, because while I really don't want people embedding the formula into their parsers, I *do* want people embedding the formula into their generators.

#4372 says no Reserved listing, yes note.

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<p>So the related questions were:</p>
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<li><strong>Should the GREASE values be listed in the registry as Reserved?</strong>  No, because some rough estimation suggests it would take a few millennia to download the registry page if this were the case.</li>
<li><strong>Should there be a note indicating which values cannot be assigned?</strong>  I'm of two minds, because while I really don't want people embedding the formula into their parsers, I <em>do</em> want people embedding the formula into their generators.</li>
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Thanks, I think this looks good, but it's easy to make subtle errors in the pseudocode, so I definitely want @janaiyengar review as well.



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<p>Thanks, I think this looks good, but it's easy to make subtle errors in the pseudocode, so I definitely want <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/janaiyengar/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/janaiyengar">@janaiyengar</a> review as well.</p>

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this. 

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

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<p>The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.</p>
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Covered under the IANA reviews. Closing this.

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<p>Closed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="731473021" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4282" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4282/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4282">#4282</a>.</p>

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

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<p>The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.</p>
<p>Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.</p>

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<p>As Martin points out, the offending text was removed. Not seeing anything to be done here , so I'm closing the issue.</p>

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel. 

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<p>The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.</p>
<p>Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.</p>

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Closed #4363.

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<p>Closed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="744422887" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4363" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4363/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4363">#4363</a>.</p>

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.

Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.

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<p>The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.</p>
<p>Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.</p>

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@martinthomson do you see any work to do here or should this issue be closed with no action?

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Its been 28 days with no updates or PR, what is the status here?

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<p>Its been 28 days with no updates or PR, what is the status here?</p>

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.

Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.

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<p>The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.</p>
<p>Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.</p>

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.

Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.

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The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.

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<p>Hearing no pushback, I'm closing this.</p>

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<p>The proposed resolution was to close to with action, which was signalled to the appropriate review channel.</p>
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Based on the proposed PR, I'm marking this as editorial.

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Based on the proposed PR, I'm marking this as editorial.

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I think this is proposal ready.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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  Fix recovery references and some text.


  Commit: 2aff48743cd57a76a311792051a64d325a8b8f2c
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  unnecessary phrase


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  Merge pull request #4425 from quicwg/jri/references

Fix recovery references and some text


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> @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title="Indexed Field Line"}
 
-This representation starts with the '1' 1-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
+This representation starts with the '1' one-bit pattern, followed by the 'T' bit
 indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The 6-bit

@bencebeky : derp, you are absolutely right.  I know I looked at HPACK for consistency but in my head saw it was spelled out in some cases -- must be moving too fast.  I'll update it to be digits everywhere, which is both self-consistent in this document consistent with HPACK.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4424#discussion_r538825470">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1032,7 +1033,7 @@ the Base.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {: title=&quot;Indexed Field Line&quot;}
 
-This representation starts with the &#39;1&#39; 1-bit pattern, followed by the &#39;T&#39; bit
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 indicating whether the reference is into the static or dynamic table.  The 6-bit
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> @@ -1235,8 +1235,9 @@ recovered successfully. However, values with low entropy remain vulnerable.
 Attacks of this nature are possible any time that two mutually distrustful
 entities control requests or responses that are placed onto a single HTTP/3
 connection. If the shared QPACK compressor permits one entity to add entries to
-the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries, then the state of the
-table can be learned.
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Nope, not intentional, I think I did a git checkout -b from that commit instead of HEAD.  But I think if I merge that one first it's not an issue?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4424#discussion_r538826073">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1235,8 +1235,9 @@ recovered successfully. However, values with low entropy remain vulnerable.
 Attacks of this nature are possible any time that two mutually distrustful
 entities control requests or responses that are placed onto a single HTTP/3
 connection. If the shared QPACK compressor permits one entity to add entries to
-the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries, then the state of the
-table can be learned.
+the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries to encode chosen field
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<p>Nope, not intentional, I think I did a git checkout -b from that commit instead of HEAD.  But I think if I merge that one first it's not an issue?</p>

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@martinthomson: this looks good. Can you also change one sentence in Sec 1.2, from:
`offering comparable security to running TLS over TCP`
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`offering comparable confidentiality and integrity to running TLS over TCP`.

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@janaiyengar, I think you're saying the same thing.  The text as currently written suggests that:

- Send an ack-eliciting packet
- Send 100 non-ack-eliciting packets
- Send another ack-eliciting packet
- Receive an ack for the 100 non-ack-eliciting packets

If persistent congestion is the loss of all packets in that time frame, this isn't persistent congestion.  If persistent congestion is the loss of all *ack-eliciting* packets in that time frame, this is.  The change in the follow-up PRs brings it back to what I think was originally intended.

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@MikeBishop: Can you add the same text to 22.2 (Transport parameter registry) in the transport doc as well?

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@msvoelker rightly noted lack of clarity ([here](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421#discussion_r538073397)), which this PR attempts to fix.

There&#39;s a new MUST here, but I think it was again implicit.
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  * more text-fixing for persistent congestion

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<p>There's a new MUST here, but I think it was again implicit.</p>

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



>  
-* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between these two send
-  times are declared lost;
+* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
+  these two packets are declared lost;

Thanks for catching this -- I've sent out #4429 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4421#discussion_r538841116">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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-* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between these two send
-  times are declared lost;
+* all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
+  these two packets are declared lost;
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<p>Thanks for catching this -- I've sent out <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="759816490" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4429" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4429/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4429">#4429</a></p>

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Excellent question.

Yes, if you use a Version Negotiation packet, this is OK.  At least to the extent that things sort of resolve themselves.  You are pretty badly exposed to downgrade attack though.

The VN-less migration proposed in draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation won't work without a few tweaks.  My preferred option is to effectively rewrite the TLS handshake to remap the extension codepoint.  Doing that is tricky because both sides need to agree on how that is done or you get a transcript mismatch error.  It's also somewhat invasive to do so.

You could, as you suggest send both extensions, but that isn't a good long-term plan.  Aside from the extra bytes (which is probably manageable), it means that you are sending a private-use extension at scale for an indeterminate period.  That would likely have the effect of making 0xffa5 unusable as a private use codepoint.  I would prefer not to do that.

This only reinforces the need for @ekr and @DavidSchinazi to restart work on their draft.

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<p>Excellent question.</p>
<p>Yes, if you use a Version Negotiation packet, this is OK.  At least to the extent that things sort of resolve themselves.  You are pretty badly exposed to downgrade attack though.</p>
<p>The VN-less migration proposed in draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation won't work without a few tweaks.  My preferred option is to effectively rewrite the TLS handshake to remap the extension codepoint.  Doing that is tricky because both sides need to agree on how that is done or you get a transcript mismatch error.  It's also somewhat invasive to do so.</p>
<p>You could, as you suggest send both extensions, but that isn't a good long-term plan.  Aside from the extra bytes (which is probably manageable), it means that you are sending a private-use extension at scale for an indeterminate period.  That would likely have the effect of making 0xffa5 unusable as a private use codepoint.  I would prefer not to do that.</p>
<p>This only reinforces the need for <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ekr/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ekr">@ekr</a> and <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/DavidSchinazi/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/DavidSchinazi">@DavidSchinazi</a> to restart work on their draft.</p>

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It would have been nice to see a proposal for the explanation, but the draft is fine without it (we don't need to explain everything).

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<p>It would have been nice to see a proposal for the explanation, but the draft is fine without it (we don't need to explain everything).</p>

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The implied proposal was no action.  I'm going to close it.  There's a narrow window remaining for pull requests still, but we have to draw the line soon.

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<p>The implied proposal was no action.  I'm going to close it.  There's a narrow window remaining for pull requests still, but we have to draw the line soon.</p>

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Closed #4332.

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  Branch: refs/heads/http-forgery
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-09 (Wed, 09 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Update intro bits for confidentiality/integrity

"security" is too vague



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7d260ad9edefd4d0b84f5d162511f0ef4cd04e18  Update intro bits for confidentiality/integrity


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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Please don't add notes to the registries.  There are lots of things to note about the registration rules; calling this specific rule out implies that understanding this is sufficient.  It also puts information about greased codepoints in a very easily accessible place, which runs counter to our goals.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

The MUST is weird.  The other change is fine.

> @@ -994,11 +994,11 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
-A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an
-acknowledgement if at least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+A sender MUST establish persistent congestion after the receipt of an

MUST isn't necessary here.

```suggestion
A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an
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> @@ -994,11 +994,11 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
-A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an
-acknowledgement if at least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
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@martinthomson : Can you clarify why you think so? If you are thinking about enforceability, this document has several other unenforceable MUSTs, especially in the congestion controller.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4429#discussion_r538873689">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -994,11 +994,11 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
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  Changed paths:
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: edf4fccbc11bf07dd4862a949816d09d9e727b41
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/edf4fccbc11bf07dd4862a949816d09d9e727b41
  Author: Alan Frindell <afrind@fb.com>
  Date:   2020-12-08 (Tue, 08 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  [qpack] Clarify applicability of dynamic table state probing to QPACK and HTTP

I think this helps?

Fixes: #4399



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@MikeBishop : But we do want loss of non-ack-eliciting packets to count towards persistent congestion; they aren't special in terms of loss, they're just special in terms of eliciting an ack. Which is why we only care about the "edge packets" being ack-eliciting.

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[draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation) introduces the concept of "Compatible Versions". It is defined as:

>    Two versions of QUIC A and B are said to be "compatible" if a version
   A Initial can be used to negotiate version B and vice versa.  The
   most common scenario is a sequence of versions 1, 2, 3, etc. in which
   all the Initial packets have the same basic structure but might
   include specific extensions (especially inside the crypto handshake)
   that are only meaningful in some subset of versions and are ignored
   in others.  Note that it is not possible to add new frame types in
   Initial packets because QUIC frames do not use a self-describing
   encoding, so unrecognized frame types cannot be parsed or ignored
   (see the Extension Frames section of [QUIC](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation-02#ref-QUIC)).

I think all we need to say is that QUIC versions `ff00001d` (draft 29) and `00000001` (RFC) are considered compatible because the server can receive an INITIAL for one of those versions and it has all the information required for the other version. But we could also just not care and everything will be just fine, servers will need to support both draft 29 and the RFC for a while anyway. I'm not sure what the problem is.



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<p><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation" rel="nofollow">draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation</a> introduces the concept of "Compatible Versions". It is defined as:</p>
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<p>Two versions of QUIC A and B are said to be "compatible" if a version<br>
A Initial can be used to negotiate version B and vice versa.  The<br>
most common scenario is a sequence of versions 1, 2, 3, etc. in which<br>
all the Initial packets have the same basic structure but might<br>
include specific extensions (especially inside the crypto handshake)<br>
that are only meaningful in some subset of versions and are ignored<br>
in others.  Note that it is not possible to add new frame types in<br>
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encoding, so unrecognized frame types cannot be parsed or ignored<br>
(see the Extension Frames section of <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation-02#ref-QUIC" rel="nofollow">QUIC</a>).</p>
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<p>I think all we need to say is that QUIC versions <code>ff00001d</code> (draft 29) and <code>00000001</code> (RFC) are considered compatible because the server can receive an INITIAL for one of those versions and it has all the information required for the other version. But we could also just not care and everything will be just fine, servers will need to support both draft 29 and the RFC for a while anyway. I'm not sure what the problem is.</p>

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@gloinul we think that this can be resolved by merging the associated PR #4345, does that seem ok to you? 

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  [qpack] Minor edits

* Replace "0" with 0 when referring to indexes
* Make all instructions/representations consistent
  'starts with the 'X' <number spelled out>-bit pattern'
* Added a line break to help disambiguate 'These streams'


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  Branch: refs/heads/http/iana_guidance
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  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2020-12-08 (Tue, 08 Dec 2020)

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Note: Don&#39;t merge until the last minute.
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  * Remove notes about draft versions

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (15)

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<p>Note: Don't merge until the last minute.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: b634af8db87a6e94943d5ceb73c9995397ed9583
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b634af8db87a6e94943d5ceb73c9995397ed9583
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-18 (Wed, 18 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Not all registries have stricter rules

Closes #4385.


  Commit: d5b0bf68474a81151b8145623b61a5ed58583d23
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  Merge pull request #4388 from quicwg/iana-maybe-stricter

Not all registries have stricter rules


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  Author: Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-11-29 (Sun, 29 Nov 2020)

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  handling of KeyUpdate in other epochs are specified in RFC 8446, do not override


  Commit: b33c48762efdd88170eebed13272bc14278495a1
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  clarify that TLS sends KeyUpdates only in 1-RTT


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  Merge pull request #4412 from kazuho/kazuho/key-update-1rtt

handling of KeyUpdate in other epochs are specified in RFC 8446, do not override


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Response:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, at 19:27, Martin Thomson wrote:
> I realize that I should have responded here earlier and apologize for 
> being tardy.
> 
> Responses to these are also to be found on GitHub, but I will include 
> all relevant information here.
> 
> Overall, the actions are correct.  Thanks for being so careful with this.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, at 06:45, Sabrina Tanamal via RT wrote:
> > IANA Question --> Regarding the detailed instructions in section 22.1 
> > of the current document, it's not clear to us what information should 
> > be captured in a note. Can you provide the notes that should be added 
> > to the top of each registry?
> 
> I don't think that any notes are appropriate here.  The RFC will 
> capture all the relevant information.  If you can include a section 
> reference (to S22.1) that would be enough, I think.
> 
> > Second, a new registry will be created on the registry page created 
> > above called the QUIC Transport Parameters registry. The new registry 
> > will be managed via the Specification Required policy as defined by 
> > RFC8126.
> > 
> > IANA will add a note to the registry indicating that: " each value of 
> > the format "31 * N + 27" for integer values of N (that is, 27, 58, 89, 
> > ...) are reserved."
> 
> Please don't.  I think that it is enough that the registry page cite 
> the RFC-to-be.
> 
> > IANA Question --> are those values to be marked as reserved in the new registry?
> 
> No.  The document will be updated to make this clear (you don't want 
> 2^57 entries in your tables anyway).
> 
> > IANA Question --> Section 22.1.2 says, "Use of the first codepoint in a range is
> > intended for use by specifications that are developed through the
> > standards process [STD] and its allocation MUST be negotiated with
> > IANA before use." 
> >    
> > What does "negotiation with IANA" mean? When there's an expert, 
> > normally this would be handled by an expert, but we understand that 
> > future documents might use this guidance but apply it to registries 
> > that have other registration procedures. Does this mean that if IESG 
> > Approval were being used, or a future registry that applied this 
> > guidance were to use a registration procedure like IETF Review, which 
> > requires only an IETF-stream RFC and does not require expert review, 
> > and the registration were being requested in an informational or 
> > experimental I-D, IANA would need to be aware of this requirement and 
> > refuse to register that codepoint? We really want to know what IANA has 
> > to know vs. what the other people such as the expert have to know.
> 
> This has been updated in the next version of the draft to require 
> Standards Action.  I suppose that this could be changed to also allow 
> IESG Review.
> 
> > Also, does this mean that codepoints can generally be used before 
> > they've been allocated?
> 
> Yes. That is the implication.  Though - as with all such things - it 
> comes with the usual instability risks associated with that.
> 
> > IANA Question --> Section 22.1.2 says, "Applications to register 
> > codepoints in QUIC registries MAY include a codepoint as part of the 
> > registration.  IANA MUST allocate the selected codepoint unless that 
> > codepoint is already assigned or the
> > codepoint is the first unallocated codepoint in the registry."
> > 
> > What if it's the first unallocated codepoint in a range, but not in the 
> > registry?
> 
> Hopefully the changes above clarify that: it would require that the 
> registration be made by Standards Action.

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<p>Response:</p>
<p>On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, at 19:27, Martin Thomson wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I realize that I should have responded here earlier and apologize for<br>
being tardy.</p>
<p>Responses to these are also to be found on GitHub, but I will include<br>
all relevant information here.</p>
<p>Overall, the actions are correct.  Thanks for being so careful with this.</p>
<p>On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, at 06:45, Sabrina Tanamal via RT wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>IANA Question --&gt; Regarding the detailed instructions in section 22.1<br>
of the current document, it's not clear to us what information should<br>
be captured in a note. Can you provide the notes that should be added<br>
to the top of each registry?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I don't think that any notes are appropriate here.  The RFC will<br>
capture all the relevant information.  If you can include a section<br>
reference (to S22.1) that would be enough, I think.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Second, a new registry will be created on the registry page created<br>
above called the QUIC Transport Parameters registry. The new registry<br>
will be managed via the Specification Required policy as defined by<br>
RFC8126.</p>
<p>IANA will add a note to the registry indicating that: " each value of<br>
the format "31 * N + 27" for integer values of N (that is, 27, 58, 89,<br>
...) are reserved."</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Please don't.  I think that it is enough that the registry page cite<br>
the RFC-to-be.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>IANA Question --&gt; are those values to be marked as reserved in the new registry?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>No.  The document will be updated to make this clear (you don't want<br>
2^57 entries in your tables anyway).</p>
<blockquote>
<p>IANA Question --&gt; Section 22.1.2 says, "Use of the first codepoint in a range is<br>
intended for use by specifications that are developed through the<br>
standards process [STD] and its allocation MUST be negotiated with<br>
IANA before use."</p>
<p>What does "negotiation with IANA" mean? When there's an expert,<br>
normally this would be handled by an expert, but we understand that<br>
future documents might use this guidance but apply it to registries<br>
that have other registration procedures. Does this mean that if IESG<br>
Approval were being used, or a future registry that applied this<br>
guidance were to use a registration procedure like IETF Review, which<br>
requires only an IETF-stream RFC and does not require expert review,<br>
and the registration were being requested in an informational or<br>
experimental I-D, IANA would need to be aware of this requirement and<br>
refuse to register that codepoint? We really want to know what IANA has<br>
to know vs. what the other people such as the expert have to know.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This has been updated in the next version of the draft to require<br>
Standards Action.  I suppose that this could be changed to also allow<br>
IESG Review.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Also, does this mean that codepoints can generally be used before<br>
they've been allocated?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes. That is the implication.  Though - as with all such things - it<br>
comes with the usual instability risks associated with that.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>IANA Question --&gt; Section 22.1.2 says, "Applications to register<br>
codepoints in QUIC registries MAY include a codepoint as part of the<br>
registration.  IANA MUST allocate the selected codepoint unless that<br>
codepoint is already assigned or the<br>
codepoint is the first unallocated codepoint in the registry."</p>
<p>What if it's the first unallocated codepoint in a range, but not in the<br>
registry?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Hopefully the changes above clarify that: it would require that the<br>
registration be made by Standards Action.</p>
</blockquote>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/16c03a43bafce63419904216dbd57050dd513c64
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Cross-protocol attacks are maybe possible (#4427)

* Cross-protocol attacks are maybe possible

Mostly because QUIC doesn't prevent all forms of request forgery.
Thankfully, this is dealt with in detail in the transport draft.

Closes #4364.

* Update intro bits for confidentiality/integrity

"security" is too vague



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  [qpack] minor edits (#4424)

* [qpack] Minor edits

* Replace "0" with 0 when referring to indexes
* Make all instructions/representations consistent
  'starts with the 'X' <number spelled out>-bit pattern'
* Added a line break to help disambiguate 'These streams'

* Replace <spelled-out-number>-bit pattern to N-bit pattern



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  Document request forgery by version negotiation

It's pretty bad.

Personally, I'm still comfortable with it.  Server deployments are far
less likely to made without due consideration to the environment into
which they find themselves.

Closes #4258.


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  Counting


  Commit: edf1cbe2f06dade171dcdbf7880ea54959d9db07
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  Merge pull request #4339 from quicwg/vn-forgery

Document request forgery by version negotiation


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/51f74ee8b380...edf1cbe2f06d


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Don't DoS the IANA registry page


  Commit: ecc97ab525507dce039ba5c41555c791dd16673b
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  No notes.

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  Commit: c296888f356d62aba2f97256e2098d2b62ad10d2
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  Transport, too


  Commit: ba7113b94876d3e17945053193cce5f5e872b5f3
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  Merge pull request #4428 from quicwg/http/iana_guidance

Don't DoS the IANA registry server


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Merged #4428 into master.

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 * all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
-  two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost;
+  these two packets are declared lost;

I know we keep disagreeing about this, but I think paralellism is important.  Above, they're called "two ack-eliciting packets" and below we drop 'ack-eliciting', which I find confusing.

If you don't want to restate ack-eliciting, then I'd suggest "if two packets that are ack-eliciting are declared lost,"...

> @@ -994,11 +994,11 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
-A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an
-acknowledgement if at least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+A sender MUST establish persistent congestion after the receipt of an
+acknowledgement if two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:

acknowledgement if two packets which are ack-eliciting are declared lost, and:

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4429#discussion_r538881415">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 * all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
-  two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost;
+  these two packets are declared lost;
</pre>
<p>I know we keep disagreeing about this, but I think paralellism is important.  Above, they're called "two ack-eliciting packets" and below we drop 'ack-eliciting', which I find confusing.</p>
<p>If you don't want to restate ack-eliciting, then I'd suggest "if two packets that are ack-eliciting are declared lost,"...</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4429#discussion_r538893608">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -994,11 +994,11 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
-A sender establishes persistent congestion after the receipt of an
-acknowledgement if at least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
+A sender MUST establish persistent congestion after the receipt of an
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> @@ -994,11 +994,11 @@ congestion without depending on PTO expiration.
 
 ### Establishing Persistent Congestion
 
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-acknowledgement if at least two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost, and:
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>  
 * all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of
-  two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost;
+  these two packets are declared lost;
 
 * the duration between the send times of these two packets exceeds the
   persistent congestion duration ({{pc-duration}}); and

down in the third bullet, maybe s/both packets/these two packets/

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4429#discussion_r538894058">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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-  two ack-eliciting packets are declared lost;
+  these two packets are declared lost;
 
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  Branch: refs/heads/jri/these
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  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2020-12-08 (Tue, 08 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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Also, examples use final version numbers.

IMPORTANT: the TLS extension codepoint needs to be updated, both in the
text and in the examples (which will result in changes to authentication
tags and the affected ciphertext).
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Final salt and retry keys

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (144)
    M protection-samples.js (11)

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<p>Also, examples use final version numbers.</p>
<p>IMPORTANT: the TLS extension codepoint needs to be updated, both in the<br>
text and in the examples (which will result in changes to authentication<br>
tags and the affected ciphertext).</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Final salt and retry keys</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431/files#diff-258c0e56cd25b2cce385b9288501d13cca7bbfb03b05a2e569ac1d0cd295f650">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431/files#diff-a6e236571f3b8d3cdbb224420e09a53f3095c0fee6c3e466feabfd11f308f1b9">protection-samples.js</a>
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> +
+IANA \[SHALL add/has added] a registry for "QUIC Versions" under a "QUIC"
+heading.
+
+The "QUIC Versions" registry governs a 32-bit space; see {{versions}}. This
+registry follows the registration policy from {{iana-policy}}. Permanent
+registrations in this registry are assigned using the Specification Required
+policy ({{!RFC8126}}).
+
+The codepoint of 0x00000001 to the protocol is assigned with permanent status
+to the protocol defined in this document. The codepoint of 0x00000000 is
+permanently reserved; the note for this codepoint \[shall] indicate\[s] that
+this version is reserved for Version Negotiation.
+
+All codepoints that follow the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a are reserved and MUST NOT be
+assigned by IANA.

```suggestion
assigned by IANA and MUST NOT appear in the listing of assigned values.
```

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  Branch: refs/heads/version-registry
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-09 (Wed, 09 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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@DavidSchinazi The problem is that the TLS ClientHello for 0xff00001d will contain a different extension codepoint than the very similar message in 0x00000001.  My initial thought was that the server could just rewrite the codepoint in the ClientHello and proceed as you suggest.

I realize now that a server could construct an equivalent ClientHello *in some cases*, but not all.  The PSK binder in TLS certainly throws a wrench in the works.  That suggests the potential for *partial* compatibility, which is really awkward.

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<p>I realize now that a server could construct an equivalent ClientHello <em>in some cases</em>, but not all.  The PSK binder in TLS certainly throws a wrench in the works.  That suggests the potential for <em>partial</em> compatibility, which is really awkward.</p>

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@huitema requested changes on this pull request.

Padding should be suggested (SHOULD), not mandated (MUST), at least in NAT traversal scenarios.

> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

I know it is late in the process, but I would much prefer the paragraph to say that "An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame..." The reason is that if we say MUST, picky implementations will account the number of bytes sent and discard un-padded path challenges if they sent 400 bytes of data or more. Such measurements are very hard to get right, so we will end up with interoperability issues. 

> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

This is specifically an issue for server responses to NAT traversal. A man on the side could trigger a number "fake" NAT traversal, and it makes sense for servers to avoid sending large packets in response to that.

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<p><b>@huitema</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Padding should be suggested (SHOULD), not mandated (MUST), at least in NAT traversal scenarios.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r538962489">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
</pre>
<p>I know it is late in the process, but I would much prefer the paragraph to say that "An endpoint SHOULD expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame..." The reason is that if we say MUST, picky implementations will account the number of bytes sent and discard un-padded path challenges if they sent 400 bytes of data or more. Such measurements are very hard to get right, so we will end up with interoperability issues.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r538963164">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
</pre>
<p>This is specifically an issue for server responses to NAT traversal. A man on the side could trigger a number "fake" NAT traversal, and it makes sense for servers to avoid sending large packets in response to that.</p>

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I am seeing interop failures. Picoquic avoids sending full size datagrams in response to short natted packets; it just send short challenges to both client addresses, and will perform PMTUD later. Some implementations see "unpadded challenges" as some kind of protocol violation and just ignore them, leading to connection failures.

This is a difficult situation, because implementations end up having to choose between sending long challenge packets in response to NAT and risking participating in reflection DDOS, or sending short challenge packets and risking connection failures.

I think this is a case in which the behavior of clients and servers vary. When clients send PATH CHALLENGE, they are either deliberately attempting to probe a new path, or maybe verifying a NAT response from the server. In both cases, padding is appropriate. For servers, padding is appropriate in response to a padded client message, but it is mostly inappropriate in response to a short natted packet.

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<p>I am seeing interop failures. Picoquic avoids sending full size datagrams in response to short natted packets; it just send short challenges to both client addresses, and will perform PMTUD later. Some implementations see "unpadded challenges" as some kind of protocol violation and just ignore them, leading to connection failures.</p>
<p>This is a difficult situation, because implementations end up having to choose between sending long challenge packets in response to NAT and risking participating in reflection DDOS, or sending short challenge packets and risking connection failures.</p>
<p>I think this is a case in which the behavior of clients and servers vary. When clients send PATH CHALLENGE, they are either deliberately attempting to probe a new path, or maybe verifying a NAT response from the server. In both cases, padding is appropriate. For servers, padding is appropriate in response to a padded client message, but it is mostly inappropriate in response to a short natted packet.</p>

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I plugged the test vectors into the quiche test suite and it checks out https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche/tree/its-the-final-saltdown

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<p>I plugged the test vectors into the quiche test suite and it checks out <a href="https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche/tree/its-the-final-saltdown">https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche/tree/its-the-final-saltdown</a></p>

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So at least my implementation requires padded PATH_CHALLENGES, because Section 8.2.1 says:
> An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.

Is there an inconsistency in the spec here?

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<p>So at least my implementation requires padded PATH_CHALLENGES, because Section 8.2.1 says:</p>
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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

In practice, these fake NAT traversals don't seem so concerning because most ports on a NAT are going to be unused and dropped by the NAT itself.  And I believe most Large(ie: Carrier Grade) NATs are symmetric, so even if the port was open, the traffic would be dropped.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539374562">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
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<p>In practice, these fake NAT traversals don't seem so concerning because most ports on a NAT are going to be unused and dropped by the NAT itself.  And I believe most Large(ie: Carrier Grade) NATs are symmetric, so even if the port was open, the traffic would be dropped.</p>

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@martinthomson please land the associated PR when you are ready.

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> So at least my implementation requires padded PATH_CHALLENGES, because Section 8.2.1 says:
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> > An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
> > to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.
> 
> Is there an inconsistency in the spec here?

The PR adds ", unless the anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of this size."

  

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<p>So at least my implementation requires padded PATH_CHALLENGES, because Section 8.2.1 says:</p>
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<p>An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame<br>
to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.</p>
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<p>Is there an inconsistency in the spec here?</p>
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<p>The PR adds ", unless the anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of this size."</p>

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@gloinul can I close this ticket then?

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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

The problem happens when the attacker is not behind a NAT, say is using IPv6. Suppose the attacker is an evil client, intent on targeting IPv6 address X, or maybe IPv6 prefix X/64. It can set up a connection, then manufacture a series of short packets with faked source addresses and ports -- packets less than 100 bytes including the IP header, each triggering a 1200 byte response. The evil client can set up an arbitrary number of good connections to do that, effectively getting a factor 12 amplification for a large stream of data.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539439998">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
</pre>
<p>The problem happens when the attacker is not behind a NAT, say is using IPv6. Suppose the attacker is an evil client, intent on targeting IPv6 address X, or maybe IPv6 prefix X/64. It can set up a connection, then manufacture a series of short packets with faked source addresses and ports -- packets less than 100 bytes including the IP header, each triggering a 1200 byte response. The evil client can set up an arbitrary number of good connections to do that, effectively getting a factor 12 amplification for a large stream of data.</p>

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Given that you can't validate the "unless" criteria for the peer, it seems like the client isn't able to enforce this MUST.

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<p>Given that you can't validate the "unless" criteria for the peer, it seems like the client isn't able to enforce this MUST.</p>

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What Mike says. "MUST ... unless" is not standard per RFC 2119 and 8174, and that leaves implementers with fuzzy guidance, leading to interop failures. The proper text would be something like:
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Client endpoints MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Server endpoints
SHOULD do the same, unless the anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit
sending a datagram of this size.
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<p>What Mike says. "MUST ... unless" is not standard per RFC 2119 and 8174, and that leaves implementers with fuzzy guidance, leading to interop failures. The proper text would be something like:</p>
<pre><code>Client endpoints MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes. Server endpoints
SHOULD do the same, unless the anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit
sending a datagram of this size.
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@ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

I agree that if the IP changes, assuming it is a NAT migration is a bit dangerous, so I only had port in mind.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539456996">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
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<p>I agree that if the IP changes, assuming it is a NAT migration is a bit dangerous, so I only had port in mind.</p>

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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

I don't want to make a change here.  We already [prohibit enforcement of the padding rule](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-14-7).  That's enough.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539462050">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
</pre>
<p>I don't want to make a change here.  We already <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-14-7" rel="nofollow">prohibit enforcement of the padding rule</a>.  That's enough.</p>

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Can you expand on "in some cases"? Isn't this just a matter of making sure your TLS stack understands the other TP TLS extension codepoint? I'm not suggesting you rewrite the ClientHello before passing it to your TLS stack because that'll derail the key schedule.

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<p>Can you expand on "in some cases"? Isn't this just a matter of making sure your TLS stack understands the other TP TLS extension codepoint? I'm not suggesting you rewrite the ClientHello before passing it to your TLS stack because that'll derail the key schedule.</p>

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> @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
+{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a

Out of curiosity, how were these new salts derived? Are we going to learn after publication that this was a hash of @martinthomson 's social security number?

> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
+c300000001088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002

Is this implying that implementors of draft-33 should use the `00000001` version?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539486620">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client&#39;s first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
+{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a
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<p>Out of curiosity, how were these new salts derived? Are we going to learn after publication that this was a hash of <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> 's social security number?</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539486690">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
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<p>Is this implying that implementors of draft-33 should use the <code>00000001</code> version?</p>

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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539489463">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

@martinthomson the padding enforcement rule says "an endpoint MUST NOT close a connection when it receives a datagram that does not meet size constraints; the endpoint MAY however discard such datagrams." The latter behavior, discarding the datagram, is exactly what leads to interop failure when the server does not pad because of amplification concerns, and the client drops because it interprets the clause as "MUST pad".

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539493004">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
</pre>
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@dtikhonov commented on this pull request.



> @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
+{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a

My guess is that he rolled some D&D dice.

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<p><b>@dtikhonov</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539682322">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client&#39;s first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
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<p>My guess is that he rolled some D&amp;D dice.</p>

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I agree with @huitema here, client MUST + server SHOULD sounds like the easiest way to resolve this issue.

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<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/huitema/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/huitema">@huitema</a> here, client MUST + server SHOULD sounds like the easiest way to resolve this issue.</p>

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> Given that you can't validate the "unless" criteria for the peer, it seems like the client isn't able to enforce this MUST.

I'm not sure if I follow. IIUC, we do have MUSTs that are not enforceable by the peer.

IMO "MUST unless" is better than "SHOULD unless", because it is clear that the sender is required to behave as specified whenever the exception is _not_ being met. SHOULD sounds like there are other cases when a sender can send a smaller sized datagrams.

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<p>Given that you can't validate the "unless" criteria for the peer, it seems like the client isn't able to enforce this MUST.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure if I follow. IIUC, we do have MUSTs that are not enforceable by the peer.</p>
<p>IMO "MUST unless" is better than "SHOULD unless", because it is clear that the sender is required to behave as specified whenever the exception is <em>not</em> being met. SHOULD sounds like there are other cases when a sender can send a smaller sized datagrams.</p>

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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
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Yes, see #4430.  Though I would (strongly) encourage people not to deploy that version until we get a little further through the process.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539801402">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
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 ~~~
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<p>Yes, see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="759860835" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4430" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4430/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4430">#4430</a>.  Though I would (strongly) encourage people not to deploy that version until we get a little further through the process.</p>

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> @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
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Revealing how it was done would ruin the mystery.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539801719">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client&#39;s first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
+{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a
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<p>Revealing how it was done would ruin the mystery.</p>

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The problem here is that you have a different codepoint for each version.  If the server accepts a ClientHello with one codepoint and generates a ServerHello with the other (which I what I think you are suggesting), the TLS stack won't accept that.

The cases in which a rewrite of the ClientHello would be possible only include non-ECH.  I think that it might be possible for a server to rewrite in the case of PSK if it accepts the PSK, but that's really fiddly.

This all leads me to think that pre-v1 to v1 compatible upgrade is either not worth it at all, or needs to be narrowly limited to those cases where rewrites are possible and trivial.

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<p>The problem here is that you have a different codepoint for each version.  If the server accepts a ClientHello with one codepoint and generates a ServerHello with the other (which I what I think you are suggesting), the TLS stack won't accept that.</p>
<p>The cases in which a rewrite of the ClientHello would be possible only include non-ECH.  I think that it might be possible for a server to rewrite in the case of PSK if it accepts the PSK, but that's really fiddly.</p>
<p>This all leads me to think that pre-v1 to v1 compatible upgrade is either not worth it at all, or needs to be narrowly limited to those cases where rewrites are possible and trivial.</p>

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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

Happy to add text specific to this instance that prohibits enforcement.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539803851">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
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I've added some text that prohibits dropping.  I will note that at the point that you detect this violation, you have likely already started to process the packet, so enforcement of the requirement is a little dangerous.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539806765">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
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-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
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<p>I've added some text that prohibits dropping.  I will note that at the point that you detect this violation, you have likely already started to process the packet, so enforcement of the requirement is a little dangerous.</p>

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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
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Can you clarify what "a little further through the process" means? Having folks deploy `00000001` before the RFC is published in its immutable glory could prevent us from making last-minute fixes.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539807997">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
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<p>Can you clarify what "a little further through the process" means? Having folks deploy <code>00000001</code> before the RFC is published in its immutable glory could prevent us from making last-minute fixes.</p>

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I agree with you that there is no reason to declare `ff00001d` compatible with `00000001` since neither of them has any extra features compared to the other. But my point was that for this to matter your server needs to support both versions, and if it does then it already has code to parse and write both codepoints. Adding an if statement to make sure the ServerHello codepoint matches the ClientHello codepoint sounds feasible. But either way, all this to say that we're fine and we don't need to change anything.

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<p>I agree with you that there is no reason to declare <code>ff00001d</code> compatible with <code>00000001</code> since neither of them has any extra features compared to the other. But my point was that for this to matter your server needs to support both versions, and if it does then it already has code to parse and write both codepoints. Adding an if statement to make sure the ServerHello codepoint matches the ClientHello codepoint sounds feasible. But either way, all this to say that we're fine and we don't need to change anything.</p>

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> @@ -1921,9 +1921,14 @@ generates more or larger packets in response to that packet, the attacker can
 use the server to send more data toward the victim than it would be able to send
 on its own.
 
-The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that an endpoint
-is able to receive packets at the transport address that it claims.  Address
-validation is performed both during connection establishment (see
+The primary defense against amplification attack is verifying that a peer is

```suggestion
The primary defense against amplification attacks is verifying that a peer is
```

> @@ -6500,10 +6530,16 @@ that claims a given address is able to receive packets at that address. Address
 validation limits amplification attack targets to addresses for which an
 attacker can observe packets.
 
-Prior to validation, endpoints are limited in what they are able to send.
-During the handshake, a server cannot send more than three times the data it
-receives; clients that initiate new connections or migrate to a new network
-path are limited.
+Prior to address validation, endpoints are limited in what they are able to
+send.  Endpoints cannot send data toward an unvalidated address in excess of
+three times the data received from that address.
+
+Note:
+
+: The anti-amplification limit only applies when an endpoint responds to packets
+  received from an unvalidated address. The anti-amplification limit does not
+  apply to clients when establishing a new connection or when initiating path

```suggestion
  apply to clients when establishing a new connection or when initiating connection
```

> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+

IMO the added text prohibiting dropping resolves this problem

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  Branch: refs/heads/migration-amplification
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  Changed paths:
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> @@ -6500,10 +6530,16 @@ that claims a given address is able to receive packets at that address. Address
 validation limits amplification attack targets to addresses for which an
 attacker can observe packets.
 
-Prior to validation, endpoints are limited in what they are able to send.
-During the handshake, a server cannot send more than three times the data it
-receives; clients that initiate new connections or migrate to a new network
-path are limited.
+Prior to address validation, endpoints are limited in what they are able to
+send.  Endpoints cannot send data toward an unvalidated address in excess of
+three times the data received from that address.
+
+Note:
+
+: The anti-amplification limit only applies when an endpoint responds to packets
+  received from an unvalidated address. The anti-amplification limit does not
+  apply to clients when establishing a new connection or when initiating path

Thanks.  Added manually to avoid line length limit blowout.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539813895">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6500,10 +6530,16 @@ that claims a given address is able to receive packets at that address. Address
 validation limits amplification attack targets to addresses for which an
 attacker can observe packets.
 
-Prior to validation, endpoints are limited in what they are able to send.
-During the handshake, a server cannot send more than three times the data it
-receives; clients that initiate new connections or migrate to a new network
-path are limited.
+Prior to address validation, endpoints are limited in what they are able to
+send.  Endpoints cannot send data toward an unvalidated address in excess of
+three times the data received from that address.
+
+Note:
+
+: The anti-amplification limit only applies when an endpoint responds to packets
+  received from an unvalidated address. The anti-amplification limit does not
+  apply to clients when establishing a new connection or when initiating path
</pre>
<p>Thanks.  Added manually to avoid line length limit blowout.</p>

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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
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-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
+c300000001088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002

Yeah.  I'm just a little scared of what the IESG might uncover.  Certain IESG members have a reputation for being quite thorough.  They probably won't find anything substantive, but I would like to keep the option just a tiny bit available until their reviews are in.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539816606">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
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<p>Yeah.  I'm just a little scared of what the IESG might uncover.  Certain IESG members have a reputation for being quite thorough.  They probably won't find anything substantive, but I would like to keep the option just a tiny bit available until their reviews are in.</p>

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> @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
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The added text solves my issue.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264#discussion_r539821252">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2242,9 +2247,18 @@ The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that
 it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
 An endpoint MUST expand datagrams that contain a PATH_CHALLENGE frame to at
-least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes.  Sending UDP
-datagrams of this size ensures that the network path from the endpoint to the
-peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
+least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes, unless the
+anti-amplification limit for the path does not permit sending a datagram of
+this size.  Sending UDP datagrams of this size ensures that the network path
+from the endpoint to the peer can be used for QUIC; see {{datagram-size}}.
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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
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To be honest I'm not personally worried about IESG review; I'm more concerned about what we'll find when we actually deploy this protocol in production (no one has launched 0-RTT or migration yet as far as I know).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539822823">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
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<p>To be honest I'm not personally worried about IESG review; I'm more concerned about what we'll find when we actually deploy this protocol in production (no one has launched 0-RTT or migration yet as far as I know).</p>

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  * Remove draft version identification from h3

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (27)

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FTR, this is now resolved, see discussion: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264/files#r538962489.
The editorial fix is in this commit: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264/commits/8324d829dbf4add57887e10ce7cdb829b6afde3f

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<p>FTR, this is now resolved, see discussion: <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264/files#r538962489">https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4264/files#r538962489</a>.<br>
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  Add Versions registry

Closes #4280.


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   MUST NOT be assigned, for consistency


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  No point in repeating, especially when it also contradicts


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  Merge pull request #4345 from quicwg/version-registry

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> @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
+{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a

Hacking initial packets doesn't need a lot of mystery-solving -- the salt is published here :-)

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539838435">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client&#39;s first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
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<p>Hacking initial packets doesn't need a lot of mystery-solving -- the salt is published here :-)</p>

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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
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-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
+c300000001088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002

Given that everyone is retaining h3-29, I would suggest that we continue with that until at least after IESG review. There's nothing left in the process at this point that is expected to wait until we have more deployment experience, given that IETF LC is officially complete.

I understand and agree with your concern, @DavidSchinazi, but given that we don't have a specific point in time where we can expect to see migration or 0-RTT deployed, I don't see that waiting is a useful strategy. I would argue that we can leverage v2 for this if we need to fix something.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539840058">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
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<p>Given that everyone is retaining h3-29, I would suggest that we continue with that until at least after IESG review. There's nothing left in the process at this point that is expected to wait until we have more deployment experience, given that IETF LC is officially complete.</p>
<p>I understand and agree with your concern, <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/DavidSchinazi/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/DavidSchinazi">@DavidSchinazi</a>, but given that we don't have a specific point in time where we can expect to see migration or 0-RTT deployed, I don't see that waiting is a useful strategy. I would argue that we can leverage v2 for this if we need to fix something.</p>

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  Date:   2020-11-19 (Thu, 19 Nov 2020)

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  Semicolon


  Commit: d490ef0226cc0f95ce42fd960b6ad0a5a119665c
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This was wrong.  Idempotency is not the standard we use to determine
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RFC 8470 has a lot more subtlety to it than just saying "be idempotent".
The recommendation there is for _safe_ methods only.

Closes #4393.


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  RESET_STREAM and CONNECTION_CLOSE too


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  Remove one errant use of idempotent


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  RFC 8470 and HTTP/3 references added


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  Merge pull request #4394 from quicwg/idempotent-not

Idempotent is not the standard for 0-RTT


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Merged #4394 into master.

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  Add a blanket 3x anti-amplification limit

This touches a lot of places in the document, but I think that the
changes are all fairly minor.

The major cnahge here is a move to a uniform 3x limit on sending
packets toward unvalidated addresses.  Specifically, this applies when
the packets are sent in response to another packet.  In practice, this
means that only servers are affected by this.

The consequence of this change is that PATH_CHALLENGE won't always be
padded, as previously agreed.  That also means that PATH_RESPONSE might
not be as well (if the client migrates, it can send PATH_CHALLENGE in
that packet; though we require that to be padded, we specifically don't
require enforcement, so...).  Address validation using this packet
works, but this doesn't also provide MTU validation.  To fix that, I
have recommended that a second validation be performed when the address
is valid, or there are enough bytes available that the
anti-amplification limit is not a barrier.

The nice part about this is that unifies the response.  We no longer
have weird carve-outs for rate limiting or minimum congestion window
(both of which I removed as part of this).

Closes #4257.


  Commit: 3bf6b2f3f7945496f351c2cb713c068f703a1e48
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3bf6b2f3f7945496f351c2cb713c068f703a1e48
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-10-28 (Wed, 28 Oct 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Some stuff I missed


  Commit: 97ba8a6cc37b9149f02ce35c7eabc1f0af461059
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97ba8a6cc37b9149f02ce35c7eabc1f0af461059
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-10-28 (Wed, 28 Oct 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  MUST be consistent


  Commit: 59f5a3a97613f8e5eaf41018a294cdcdebbdc3c0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/59f5a3a97613f8e5eaf41018a294cdcdebbdc3c0
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-10-28 (Wed, 28 Oct 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Small corrections

Co-authored-by: Eric Kinnear <ekinnear@users.noreply.github.com>


  Commit: 2df832a7d1953af100084436d86d4ec8ec1c31f7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2df832a7d1953af100084436d86d4ec8ec1c31f7
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-10-28 (Wed, 28 Oct 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Reword the second validation requirement slightly


  Commit: 549564f9c325fae5567e1b1bcccf3e72883282a6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/549564f9c325fae5567e1b1bcccf3e72883282a6
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-10-30 (Fri, 30 Oct 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Make it clearer

Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>


  Commit: 8c0c1f9fc9352eb96ca64f333574d5e14d91f4dd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c0c1f9fc9352eb96ca64f333574d5e14d91f4dd
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-10-30 (Fri, 30 Oct 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Wrap stuff


  Commit: fb033df77a488b9dba18ec17d324715b941cea69
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb033df77a488b9dba18ec17d324715b941cea69
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-04 (Wed, 04 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Jana's comments


  Commit: fb253e978fc614de238f2f599460d130b271007a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb253e978fc614de238f2f599460d130b271007a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-04 (Wed, 04 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Merge branch 'master' into migration-amplification


  Commit: 66b7c2a40813602f33eb180160311f0595ed1a15
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66b7c2a40813602f33eb180160311f0595ed1a15
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-04 (Wed, 04 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Merge branch 'master' into migration-amplification


  Commit: 593d5527ff8f12dbe741dff6f3a72e901751da58
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/593d5527ff8f12dbe741dff6f3a72e901751da58
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-04 (Wed, 04 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Reword and use addresses, not paths


  Commit: 4769dbea68fe7bfdc70a70d64f141f58f0a4c7f3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4769dbea68fe7bfdc70a70d64f141f58f0a4c7f3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-05 (Thu, 05 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Add an error code for when the path fails

This is a bit of a niche code, as it is only narrowly useful for
signaling loss of paths.  But people wanted it and it doesn't code that
much.

For #4257.


  Commit: 352797227bdd9e6228c296707c97aeff4abc8e00
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/352797227bdd9e6228c296707c97aeff4abc8e00
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-05 (Thu, 05 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  moar

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 2ffb2abe1ad95f333f7d1b52d125644760fc06c0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2ffb2abe1ad95f333f7d1b52d125644760fc06c0
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-06 (Fri, 06 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Fewer words = good

Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>


  Commit: bbc0711e5fc4c8bda1be34b52b5a99e68defd284
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bbc0711e5fc4c8bda1be34b52b5a99e68defd284
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-06 (Fri, 06 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Merge pull request #4331 from quicwg/no-viable-path

Add an error code for when the path fails


  Commit: 54f48ce601be4c5b8be2af72db380f58a4b7aca3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/54f48ce601be4c5b8be2af72db380f58a4b7aca3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-06 (Fri, 06 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  use parentheses for adjunct citations

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: fae20ab16577e27c7391cbac865242bf4b7b8737
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fae20ab16577e27c7391cbac865242bf4b7b8737
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-16 (Mon, 16 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  A section reference is all we really need here.


  Commit: 3e5b0fd79e99bc1dfef884234b2699240ced1a3a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e5b0fd79e99bc1dfef884234b2699240ced1a3a
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-11-17 (Tue, 17 Nov 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'master' into migration-amplification


  Commit: 8324d829dbf4add57887e10ce7cdb829b6afde3f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8324d829dbf4add57887e10ce7cdb829b6afde3f
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  No-enforcement clause for path validation datagram size


  Commit: c549aeee5d2ddb9814c920e554c468d42761e70d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c549aeee5d2ddb9814c920e554c468d42761e70d
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  gramma

Co-authored-by: David Schinazi <DavidSchinazi@users.noreply.github.com>


  Commit: 07989a2b43ce5bd09f6e5606584cef2bcfdc0970
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07989a2b43ce5bd09f6e5606584cef2bcfdc0970
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Suggestion


  Commit: afa9b9acf49adde0e476bd1dc6ab9ecc14ff1442
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/afa9b9acf49adde0e476bd1dc6ab9ecc14ff1442
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Merge pull request #4264 from quicwg/migration-amplification

Apply the 3x amplification-limit to migration too


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8afa57048208...afa9b9acf49a


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Merged #4264 into master.

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Closed #4257 via #4264.

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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
+c300000001088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002

I want final values in the document, because they will need to be tested.  I've already found one problem as a result of implementing this change.  I don't want any surprises.  That said, yes, keep up with the -29 deployments for now.  It's just as good.

And you just reminded me that I need to tweak the ALPN values in the sample.  That's going to suck, but best that I caught it.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539851498">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
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<p>I want final values in the document, because they will need to be tested.  I've already found one problem as a result of implementing this change.  I don't want any surprises.  That said, yes, keep up with the -29 deployments for now.  It's just as good.</p>
<p>And you just reminded me that I need to tweak the ALPN values in the sample.  That's going to suck, but best that I caught it.</p>

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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
+c300000001088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002

And I just worked out that the example uses an ALPN of "alpn", so there is no need to update.  Of course, someone could call me on that being a potentially valid value rather than one reserved for examples, but then I wouldn't care.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539854525">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
-c3ff000020088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
+c300000001088394c8f03e5157080000449e00000002
</pre>
<p>And I just worked out that the example uses an ALPN of "alpn", so there is no need to update.  Of course, someone could call me on that being a potentially valid value rather than one reserved for examples, but then I wouldn't care.</p>

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks for your changes, @msvoelker. A few suggestions, but this is good.

> @@ -1807,11 +1806,14 @@ Invoked when DetectAndRemoveLostPackets deems packets lost.
 
 ~~~
 OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+  time_of_last_in_flight_packet = 0

```suggestion
  latest_in_flight_lost = 0
```

>    // Remove lost packets from bytes_in_flight.
   for lost_packet in lost_packets:
-    assert(lost_packet.in_flight)
-    bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.sent_bytes
-  OnCongestionEvent(lost_packets.largest().time_sent)
+    if lost_packet.in_flight:
+      bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.sent_bytes
+      time_of_last_in_flight_packet = max(time_of_last_in_flight_packet, lost_packet.time_sent)

```suggestion
      latest_in_flight_lost = max(latest_in_flight_lost, lost_packet.time_sent)
```

> +  if (time_of_last_in_flight_packet != 0):
+    OnCongestionEvent(time_of_last_in_flight_packet)

```suggestion
  // Congestion event if any in-flight packets were lost 
  if (latest_in_flight_lost != 0):
    OnCongestionEvent(latest_in_flight_lost)
```

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-  OnCongestionEvent(lost_packets.largest().time_sent)=0D
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>    // Remove lost packets from bytes_in_flight.
   for lost_packet in lost_packets:
-    assert(lost_packet.in_flight)
-    bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.sent_bytes
-  OnCongestionEvent(lost_packets.largest().time_sent)
+    if lost_packet.in_flight:
+      bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.sent_bytes
+      latest_in_flight_lost = max(latest_in_flight_lost, lost_packet.time_sent)

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      latest_in_flight_lost =
        max(latest_in_flight_lost, lost_packet.time_sent)
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>    // Remove lost packets from bytes_in_flight.
   for lost_packet in lost_packets:
-    assert(lost_packet.in_flight)
-    bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.sent_bytes
-  OnCongestionEvent(lost_packets.largest().time_sent)
+    if lost_packet.in_flight:
+      bytes_in_flight -= lost_packet.sent_bytes
+      latest_in_flight_lost =
+        max(latest_in_flight_lost, lost_packet.time_sent)
+  // Congestion event if any in-flight packets were lost 

```suggestion
  // Congestion event if in-flight packets were lost
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Quic protocol uses UDP to send packets, but I can't find the settings about UDP socket in the draft.
I checked [MVFST](https://github.com/facebookincubator/mvfst), [msquic](https://github.com/microsoft/msquic) and [quiche](https://github.com/flyaways/quiche), and they all set a non-block socket. In my test, I found that it will cause a serious packet loss problem to quic. When detecting bandwidth or throw a burst of data to the socket, the sender will put too much data into the socket, and the non-block socket will not reject the data. It will discard these packets and return success to quic, which means quic can not realize  this packet loss until a PTO later. I think this is a very bad phenomenon.
Will this phenomenon be an attribute of quic, or is there any way to improve it?

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<p>Quic protocol uses UDP to send packets, but I can't find the settings about UDP socket in the draft.<br>
I checked <a href="https://github.com/facebookincubator/mvfst">MVFST</a>, <a href="https://github.com/microsoft/msquic">msquic</a> and <a href="https://github.com/flyaways/quiche">quiche</a>, and they all set a non-block socket. In my test, I found that it will cause a serious packet loss problem to quic. When detecting bandwidth or throw a burst of data to the socket, the sender will put too much data into the socket, and the non-block socket will not reject the data. It will discard these packets and return success to quic, which means quic can not realize  this packet loss until a PTO later. I think this is a very bad phenomenon.<br>
Will this phenomenon be an attribute of quic, or is there any way to improve it?</p>

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> @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
+{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a

@janaiyengar yes that was a joke :-) but more seriously I was truly expecting us to come up with a convoluted way to establish this salt for the final version to ensure it is impartial. Not that I'll lie down on the tracks over this, as a wise person one said...

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539927892">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -947,7 +947,7 @@ from the Destination Connection ID field from the client&#39;s first Initial
 packet.
 
 This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0xafbfec289993d24c9e9786f19c6111e04390a899
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> @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
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I'm in agreement with you that we need to test a few things before publication, it's just the matter of when we switch to the official codepoints. But I think you did hit the nail on the head that at the end of the day, it's going to be h3-29 for now, then v1 when available - nothing we do between the two will actually matter

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4431#discussion_r539929565">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2105,67 +2105,67 @@ The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
 encoding for a packet number of 2:
 
 ~~~
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<p>I'm in agreement with you that we need to test a few things before publication, it's just the matter of when we switch to the official codepoints. But I think you did hit the nail on the head that at the end of the day, it's going to be h3-29 for now, then v1 when available - nothing we do between the two will actually matter</p>

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The QUIC congestion controller will detect and react to packet loss incurred in the local stack just as it will to packet loss incurred in the network. So QUIC will not be affected by the issue you describe, which can only happen if you send high-rate UDP flows without congestion control.

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<p>The QUIC congestion controller will detect and react to packet loss incurred in the local stack just as it will to packet loss incurred in the network. So QUIC will not be affected by the issue you describe, which can only happen if you send high-rate UDP flows without congestion control.</p>

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> The QUIC congestion controller will detect and react to packet loss incurred in the local stack just as it will to packet loss incurred in the network. So QUIC will not be affected by the issue you describe, which can only happen if you send high-rate UDP flows without congestion control.

In TCP, if there is no buffer space, the packet cannot be sent successfully. For TCP, this event is known immediately.
Quic's congestion controller can indeed detect packet loss in the protocol stack. As you mentioned, it is the same as  packet loss incurred in the network, which means that packet loss in the protocol stack will also take some time to be detected.
Most of the time, congestion controller can control to avoid sending UDP packets too fast.
When BBR is implemented in quic, in its bandwidth probe stage, it may send data at a speed greater than the bottleneck bandwidth and last for a while, and the risk of packet loss at the stack will increase. If the cubic is implemented without a uniform sending rate, due to data burst, packet loss at the stack may happen and it may result in the decline of the congestion window. In my test, cubic in quic can hardly perform as good as it's in tcp. In addition, I think the higher packet loss risk will impede the update of flow control window.
In my test, packet loss rate of quic will be much higher than TCP within the same network environment, maybe my congestion control algorithm is not good enough.

And I found lager send buffer will relieve this problem, and a more uniform sending rate will help. When I set the socket to block mode, there comes no packet loss in stack any more, it may not appropriate that way.

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<p>The QUIC congestion controller will detect and react to packet loss incurred in the local stack just as it will to packet loss incurred in the network. So QUIC will not be affected by the issue you describe, which can only happen if you send high-rate UDP flows without congestion control.</p>
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<p>In TCP, if there is no buffer space, the packet cannot be sent successfully. For TCP, this event is known immediately.<br>
Quic's congestion controller can indeed detect packet loss in the protocol stack. As you mentioned, it is the same as  packet loss incurred in the network, which means that packet loss in the protocol stack will also take some time to be detected.<br>
Most of the time, congestion controller can control to avoid sending UDP packets too fast.<br>
When BBR is implemented in quic, in its bandwidth probe stage, it may send data at a speed greater than the bottleneck bandwidth and last for a while, and the risk of packet loss at the stack will increase. If the cubic is implemented without a uniform sending rate, due to data burst, packet loss at the stack may happen and it may result in the decline of the congestion window. In my test, cubic in quic can hardly perform as good as it's in tcp. In addition, I think the higher packet loss risk will impede the update of flow control window.<br>
In my test, packet loss rate of quic will be much higher than TCP within the same network environment, maybe my congestion control algorithm is not good enough.</p>
<p>And I found lager send buffer will relieve this problem, and a more uniform sending rate will help. When I set the socket to block mode, there comes no packet loss in stack any more, it may not appropriate that way.</p>

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I take it your stack does not pace?

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I'm not sure how to pace the stack, I set quic paced when testing bbr,  but the measured bandwidth of bbr is not accurate, since there's ack aggregation, the measured bandwidth sometimes may be larger than the real bandwidth, especially happened in connection with low latency(eg. 0.2ms).  And it's hard to design a pacer to send data perfectly uniformly. So even with a pacer, packet loss in the stack may still happen. 

In my cubic test with a pacer, there is still many stack packets loss.  Maybe it's because my pacer is not fine enough.

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<p>I'm not sure how to pace the stack, I set quic paced when testing bbr,  but the measured bandwidth of bbr is not accurate, since there's ack aggregation, the measured bandwidth sometimes may be larger than the real bandwidth, especially happened in connection with low latency(eg. 0.2ms).  And it's hard to design a pacer to send data perfectly uniformly. So even with a pacer, packet loss in the stack may still happen.</p>
<p>In my cubic test with a pacer, there is still many stack packets loss.  Maybe it's because my pacer is not fine enough.</p>

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Are you on the [QUIC slack](http://quicdev.slack.com/)? You might want to ask the other developers there; this doesn't seem like a specification issue.

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<p>Are you on the <a href="http://quicdev.slack.com/" rel="nofollow">QUIC slack</a>? You might want to ask the other developers there; this doesn't seem like a specification issue.</p>

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I'm not sure this is the best name, but I think adding 'time' to the variable makes this easier to read, particularly since the variable is initialized to 0, which is not really a time.

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I&#39;m not sure this is the best name, but I think adding &#39;time&#39; to the variable makes this easier to read, particularly since the variable is initialized to 0, which is not really a time.

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  * Add &#39;time&#39; to latest_in_flight_lost

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (10)

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<p>I'm not sure this is the best name, but I think adding 'time' to the variable makes this easier to read, particularly since the variable is initialized to 0, which is not really a time.</p>
<p>Follow-up to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="759139066" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4426" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4426/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4426">#4426</a></p>

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ok, I will try to ask it there. Thank you.

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Please do! I am closing this for now; we can reopen the issue if it turns out to be that spec text improvements are needed.

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We typically have the high-level discussion on such things in an issue first, and if that seems to get consensus, a PR is opened. We don't have to do that for this one, I'll start tracking it as if it were an issue and hopefully you'll get feedback, but please remember for the future.

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@PaulDance wrote in #4404:
>The header protection sampling (HPS) is quite simple, as it is just selecting 16 bytes out of the encrypted payload, but we think the current description is really confusing.

>Indeed, section 5.4.2 explains the process with pseudocodes computing an offset relative to the beginning of an entire packet which payload is the encrypted one. However, when applying the AEAD function, one cannot do it in-place, so additional allocation must be reserved in any case. Therefore, one most probably has access to the encrypted payload separately from the unprotected packet, headers and payload.

>Thus, this PR proposes two things, split in different commits:

>Clearly and explicitly specify the two already-existing pseudocodes sample from an entire packet.
Add another pseudocode explaining how the sampling can be achieved for both short-header and long-header packets.
We have not changed or removed any existing content however, as we believe this draft could use some more explanations and clarifications here and there, rather than less with confusing elements, even if it means a bit of duplication.

>Please tell us if there is any form of typo, wrong wording, grammatical issue or just general mistake, especially concerning the new pseudocode.

Let's please keep the discussion here (on this issue) and then we'll dispatch #4404 based on the outcome.

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<p>The header protection sampling (HPS) is quite simple, as it is just selecting 16 bytes out of the encrypted payload, but we think the current description is really confusing.</p>
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<p>Indeed, section 5.4.2 explains the process with pseudocodes computing an offset relative to the beginning of an entire packet which payload is the encrypted one. However, when applying the AEAD function, one cannot do it in-place, so additional allocation must be reserved in any case. Therefore, one most probably has access to the encrypted payload separately from the unprotected packet, headers and payload.</p>
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<p>Thus, this PR proposes two things, split in different commits:</p>
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<p>Clearly and explicitly specify the two already-existing pseudocodes sample from an entire packet.<br>
Add another pseudocode explaining how the sampling can be achieved for both short-header and long-header packets.<br>
We have not changed or removed any existing content however, as we believe this draft could use some more explanations and clarifications here and there, rather than less with confusing elements, even if it means a bit of duplication.</p>
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<p>Please tell us if there is any form of typo, wrong wording, grammatical issue or just general mistake, especially concerning the new pseudocode.</p>
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<p>Let's please keep the discussion here (on this issue) and then we'll dispatch <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="748100869" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4404" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4404/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4404">#4404</a> based on the outcome.</p>

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Since our project board isn't set up for tracking PRs alongside issues, I opened #4435 .

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> Please do not use a pull request to open a new design issue; it may not be noticed.

@larseggert Sorry I missed this in the contributing guidelines... In the future, if I open an issue explaining such a suggestion for example, could I then propose a PR right after in order to show more precisely what I intend, or should I still wait for consensus first?

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Your call. I'd personally wait for a bit with a PR, just to avoid wasting work if the issue doesn't get traction.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

This isn't the time of the loss, it's the time that this packet was sent. Which is why I left `time` out of the name entirely. Maybe `sent_time_of_latest_in_flight_loss` if you want to be really accurate?

Alternatively, it's a local variable. You could do something like:
```
// t records the send time of the latest inflight packet
// that was marked as lost.
t = 0
```




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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This isn't the time of the loss, it's the time that this packet was sent. Which is why I left <code>time</code> out of the name entirely. Maybe <code>sent_time_of_latest_in_flight_loss</code> if you want to be really accurate?</p>
<p>Alternatively, it's a local variable. You could do something like:</p>
<pre><code>// t records the send time of the latest inflight packet
// that was marked as lost.
t = 0
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This is a fine addition in theory -- it's purely additive -- but I'm not certain that it really helps implementers. The PR will need some editorializing if we do want to take it, but I've not seen a ton of interest in taking this PR in from others. If anyone else wants this in, please speak up.

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How about sent_time_of_latest_loss?

Technically, packets that aren't in-flight are never declared lost so I don't think in_flight is necessary in the variable name.

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<p>How about sent_time_of_latest_loss?</p>
<p>Technically, packets that aren't in-flight are never declared lost so I don't think in_flight is necessary in the variable name.</p>

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Well I understand your concern @janaiyengar, but in what way does it not help implementers exactly?

When we worked on these functions, we spent several hours being completely wrong in our understanding of the specification, while both parts are actually quite simple. Therefore, we believe it should be just as simple to understand from the first reading. That's why I proposed such a clarification, but also because if it happened to us, then there's a good chance some will get confused as well.

For the first part, although pseudocodes used `packet` as a designation of the sampled array, the first sentence of the section states that the sampling operates on the ciphertext. This confused us quite a bit, hence the first commit in order to avoid being cryptic.

For the second one, the idea of pseudocodes in the first place is to help implementers, right? From our understanding, the proposed new one should provide a simple and more pragmatic way to achieve the sampling.

Obviously I might be wrong in saying this, but then let me understand why I am so.

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<p>When we worked on these functions, we spent several hours being completely wrong in our understanding of the specification, while both parts are actually quite simple. Therefore, we believe it should be just as simple to understand from the first reading. That's why I proposed such a clarification, but also because if it happened to us, then there's a good chance some will get confused as well.</p>
<p>For the first part, although pseudocodes used <code>packet</code> as a designation of the sampled array, the first sentence of the section states that the sampling operates on the ciphertext. This confused us quite a bit, hence the first commit in order to avoid being cryptic.</p>
<p>For the second one, the idea of pseudocodes in the first place is to help implementers, right? From our understanding, the proposed new one should provide a simple and more pragmatic way to achieve the sampling.</p>
<p>Obviously I might be wrong in saying this, but then let me understand why I am so.</p>

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I didn't get a response.

I will ask.  At the same time I will point out that IANA need to revise their actions as we are adding a new error code.

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<p>I didn't get a response.</p>
<p>I will ask.  At the same time I will point out that IANA need to revise their actions as we are adding a new error code.</p>

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I have a mixed feeling about the proposal.

>From implementation standpoint, I agree that it helps people understand the design if we clarify the sampling offset relative to encrypted data. In fact, the first paragraphs of that section already states that. OTOH, only the sender can implemented by using that property. The receiver has to determine the starting offset relative to the starting offset of the _packet number_, because the starting offset of encrypted data cannot be determined until the length of packet number is determined as part of header unprotection. Therefore, I think it is beneficial to retain current definition of packet protection which is talks about offsets relative to packets.

> However, when applying the AEAD function, one cannot do it in-place, so additional allocation must be reserved in any case. Therefore, one most probably has access to the encrypted payload separately from the unprotected packet, headers and payload.

I do not agree with this statement for two reasons. The first reason is that, as stated above, receivers would never have access to encrypted payload before unprotecting the header. The second reason is that I tend to assume senders to do AEAD encryption in-place. They prepare a MTU-sized buffer, writes unprotected packet header, then fills the payload bytes, leaving at least 16 bytes of extra space at the end to hold the AEAD tag. Then, it mutates the buffer using AEAD, then using header protection. That's how quicly works, and I would be surprised if we are the only one implementation taking that approach.

To summarize, the proposed description of the alternative approach only works on the sender-side, and it is unclear to me if it helps many implementers.

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<p>I have a mixed feeling about the proposal.</p>
<p>From implementation standpoint, I agree that it helps people understand the design if we clarify the sampling offset relative to encrypted data. In fact, the first paragraphs of that section already states that. OTOH, only the sender can implemented by using that property. The receiver has to determine the starting offset relative to the starting offset of the <em>packet number</em>, because the starting offset of encrypted data cannot be determined until the length of packet number is determined as part of header unprotection. Therefore, I think it is beneficial to retain current definition of packet protection which is talks about offsets relative to packets.</p>
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<p>However, when applying the AEAD function, one cannot do it in-place, so additional allocation must be reserved in any case. Therefore, one most probably has access to the encrypted payload separately from the unprotected packet, headers and payload.</p>
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<p>I do not agree with this statement for two reasons. The first reason is that, as stated above, receivers would never have access to encrypted payload before unprotecting the header. The second reason is that I tend to assume senders to do AEAD encryption in-place. They prepare a MTU-sized buffer, writes unprotected packet header, then fills the payload bytes, leaving at least 16 bytes of extra space at the end to hold the AEAD tag. Then, it mutates the buffer using AEAD, then using header protection. That's how quicly works, and I would be surprised if we are the only one implementation taking that approach.</p>
<p>To summarize, the proposed description of the alternative approach only works on the sender-side, and it is unclear to me if it helps many implementers.</p>

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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cb02592f960ea96f3ff54d61768df9242064d893
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M protection-samples.js

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  Add final TLS extension codepoint


  Commit: 1b2efdf250b306b82ea2069a483131e91fabadb8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b2efdf250b306b82ea2069a483131e91fabadb8
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Revert switch to 46 as the codepoint

This keeps the changes to the IANA considerations.


  Commit: 50e2647652bb20fe4a9cdf06a81cd60e54e9ec77
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50e2647652bb20fe4a9cdf06a81cd60e54e9ec77
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-11 (Fri, 11 Dec 2020)

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  Log Message:
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  Use the new codepoint (57) for the TLS extension


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@martinthomson pushed 3 commits.

cb02592f960ea96f3ff54d61768df9242064d893  Add final TLS extension codepoint
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> [...] receivers would never have access to encrypted payload before unprotecting the header.

Yes you are right @kazuho, when receiving, one cannot determine the limit between the protected packet number and the payload. 

However, it seems to me that if one has the ability to parse a series of bytes into a form of packet structure with a sort of best-effort method, then they could start by doing so and it would result in a partially parsed packet where the packet number length would be completely wrong. But if that wrong packet number length (the header field + 1) is made to be consistent with the parsed packet number's bytes length (`len(packet_number)`) during that parsing, then it would not interfere with the header protection sampling because `4 - len(packet_number)` is the offset relative to the (wrong) start of the encrypted payload required in order to consider the packet number length to be the maximum value 4, which is exactly what needs to be achieved for the sampling.

Of course that strategy does not work for the rest of operations required to unprotect the packer number field by considering the `packet_number + payload` array of bytes and then decrypt the payload from its deduced correct start.

Correct me if I'm still wrong here.

> [...] senders do AEAD encryption in-place.

I was not aware it was possible, sorry to have been wrongly assertive. It's just that the AEAD implementation we used does not work in-place, so I just assumed it would probably be the case elsewhere too.

> [...] I would be surprised if we are the only one implementation taking that approach.

I suppose you wouldn't be, especially for implementations having performance as a critical objective. But then, I would also be surprised if we were the only implementation not doing it in-place.

> [...] it is unclear to me if it helps many implementers.

Is "helping *some* implementers" not enough for such a specification or would it add too much noise? I just assumed RFCs were meant to be as unambiguous, clear and easy-to-implement as possible, hence this proposal being additive.

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<p>[...] receivers would never have access to encrypted payload before unprotecting the header.</p>
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<p>Yes you are right <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a>, when receiving, one cannot determine the limit between the protected packet number and the payload.</p>
<p>However, it seems to me that if one has the ability to parse a series of bytes into a form of packet structure with a sort of best-effort method, then they could start by doing so and it would result in a partially parsed packet where the packet number length would be completely wrong. But if that wrong packet number length (the header field + 1) is made to be consistent with the parsed packet number's bytes length (<code>len(packet_number)</code>) during that parsing, then it would not interfere with the header protection sampling because <code>4 - len(packet_number)</code> is the offset relative to the (wrong) start of the encrypted payload required in order to consider the packet number length to be the maximum value 4, which is exactly what needs to be achieved for the sampling.</p>
<p>Of course that strategy does not work for the rest of operations required to unprotect the packer number field by considering the <code>packet_number + payload</code> array of bytes and then decrypt the payload from its deduced correct start.</p>
<p>Correct me if I'm still wrong here.</p>
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<p>I was not aware it was possible, sorry to have been wrongly assertive. It's just that the AEAD implementation we used does not work in-place, so I just assumed it would probably be the case elsewhere too.</p>
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<p>I suppose you wouldn't be, especially for implementations having performance as a critical objective. But then, I would also be surprised if we were the only implementation not doing it in-place.</p>
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<p>Is "helping <em>some</em> implementers" not enough for such a specification or would it add too much noise? I just assumed RFCs were meant to be as unambiguous, clear and easy-to-implement as possible, hence this proposal being additive.</p>

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

New values seem to work in my testing.



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<p>New values seem to work in my testing.</p>

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Changes the pseudo-code of header protection to use `packet_number_offset`, because that value would be known to the QUIC stack by the time it tries to obtain the header protection sample.

Existing pseudo code includes the logic necessary for skipping entire packet header, which is a distraction to the readers.

Closes #4435.
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  * header protection is relative to packet number offset; rest of header parsing logic is purely informative

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (36)

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<p>Changes the pseudo-code of header protection to use <code>packet_number_offset</code>, because that value would be known to the QUIC stack by the time it tries to obtain the header protection sample.</p>
<p>Existing pseudo code includes the logic necessary for skipping entire packet header, which is a distraction to the readers.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4435.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="761453466" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4435" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4435/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4435">#4435</a>.</p>

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  <li>header protection is relative to packet number offset; rest of header parsing logic is purely informative</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4436/files#diff-258c0e56cd25b2cce385b9288501d13cca7bbfb03b05a2e569ac1d0cd295f650">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
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@PaulDance I'm not sure if I follow, but I assume that your point can be generalized as that the receiver will know where the packet number field begins, and use that to figure out where the sample is. I agree with that.

> Is "helping some implementers" not enough for such a specification or would it add too much noise?

Yes, this issue can be viewed as finding the right balance between helpful to some vs. adding noise to others.

But taking a step back, I tend to think that the current example is confusing to everybody, because it replicates how an endpoint should parse entire packet header, where people would already have parsed all the plaintext part of the packet header before trying to unprotect the header.

Hence filed #4436. I'm not sure if the PR fully resolves @PaulDance's concern, but anyways.

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<p>But taking a step back, I tend to think that the current example is confusing to everybody, because it replicates how an endpoint should parse entire packet header, where people would already have parsed all the plaintext part of the packet header before trying to unprotect the header.</p>
<p>Hence filed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="761836529" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4436" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4436/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4436">#4436</a>. I'm not sure if the PR fully resolves <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/PaulDance/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/PaulDance">@PaulDance</a>'s concern, but anyways.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

I like this clarification -- it's much easier to follow.

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-sample_offset = 1 + len(connection_id) + 4
+sample_offset = packet_number_offset + 4

```suggestion
# pn_offset is the start of the Packet Number field.
sample_offset = pn_offset + 4
```

We already use `pn_offset` in the header protection section above.

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Thank you for the suggestion. Applied as part of fd01f88.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4436#discussion_r540682739">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
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<p>Thank you for the suggestion. Applied as part of <a class="commit-link" data-hovercard-type="commit" data-hovercard-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd01f88ffa0475cea327fe0d3579b719937f5403/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd01f88ffa0475cea327fe0d3579b719937f5403"><tt>fd01f88</tt></a>.</p>

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Not for this PR, but this does point out a slight ambiguity in the description of persistent congestion, which has as its first condition: `all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of these two packets are declared lost`

If non-ack-eliciting packets are never declared lost, that makes this text a bit odd to square away.

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<p>Not for this PR, but this does point out a slight ambiguity in the description of persistent congestion, which has as its first condition: <code>all packets, across all packet number spaces, sent between the send times of these two packets are declared lost</code></p>
<p>If non-ack-eliciting packets are never declared lost, that makes this text a bit odd to square away.</p>

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I don't think that's a problem.  When you declare the trailing ack-eliciting packet lost, all packets sent in the same packet number space before the lost packet will also be declared lost (unless they were acknowledged, of course).

The only risk is that there might be packets (both ack-eliciting and non-ack-eliciting) from a different packet number space that aren't declared lost.  Mostly, this is because that space might not have newer packets are are acknowledged.  I think that we can tolerate that little bit of infidelity.

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<p>I don't think that's a problem.  When you declare the trailing ack-eliciting packet lost, all packets sent in the same packet number space before the lost packet will also be declared lost (unless they were acknowledged, of course).</p>
<p>The only risk is that there might be packets (both ack-eliciting and non-ack-eliciting) from a different packet number space that aren't declared lost.  Mostly, this is because that space might not have newer packets are are acknowledged.  I think that we can tolerate that little bit of infidelity.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

I like this.  Thanks @kazuho.

> +Note that multiple QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram and
+that each one is handled separately.

```suggestion
Multiple QUIC packets might be included in the same UDP datagram. Each packet
is handled separately.
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7048d50e6b866a4feeed6b6b2fe029377d86e88a  Update draft-ietf-quic-tls.md


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  header protection is relative to packet number offset; rest of header parsing logic is purely informative


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  s/packet_number_offset/pn_offset/g, with clarification


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  Merge pull request #4436 from kazuho/kazuho/split-header-parsing-logic

Define pseudo-code of header protection using packet number offset


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<p>Closed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="748100869" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4404" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4404/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4404">#4404</a>.</p>

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Thanks for suggesting this Paul.  I wasn't smart enough to see what was needed, but @kazuho was and I think we have a much clearer document as a result.

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<p>Thanks for suggesting this Paul.  I wasn't smart enough to see what was needed, but <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> was and I think we have a much clearer document as a result.</p>

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>From my perspective, it might be simplest that you get -33 submitted and I will ping IANA that they should check the revisions as well as the new error code. 

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<p>From my perspective, it might be simplest that you get -33 submitted and I will ping IANA that they should check the revisions as well as the new error code.</p>

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@MikeBishop let's merge the associated PR but keep this issue open and marked as "call-issued"

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OK. In that case, I will close this issue now and if anything else pops up, we will open a new issue during IESG review.

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<p>OK. In that case, I will close this issue now and if anything else pops up, we will open a new issue during IESG review.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-add-time
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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I took @martinthomson last suggestion of sent_time_of_last_loss.  Feel free to merge whenever(sooner the better I expect).

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I'm not sure this is the best name, but I think adding 'time' to the variable makes this easier to read, particularly since the variable is initialized to 0, which is not really a time.

Follow-up to #4426


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Persistent congestion means that no packets between two ack-eliciting packets was received by the peer. This was codified as all packets between those boundary packets being lost.

However, non-ack-eliciting packets are not marked as lost. What we really want to say is that none of the packets between these boundary packets were acknowledged. This PR makes this change.

Note that the example below the definition already follows this; packets in between the boundary packets are noted as &quot;not acknowledged&quot; rather than marked as lost.

(First noted in this comment on #4434: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4434#issuecomment-742966423)

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<p>Persistent congestion means that no packets between two ack-eliciting packets was received by the peer. This was codified as all packets between those boundary packets being lost.</p>
<p>However, non-ack-eliciting packets are not marked as lost. What we really want to say is that none of the packets between these boundary packets were acknowledged. This PR makes this change.</p>
<p>Note that the example below the definition already follows this; packets in between the boundary packets are noted as "not acknowledged" rather than marked as lost.</p>
<p>(First noted in this comment on <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="761225641" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4434" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4434/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4434">#4434</a>: <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="761225641" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4434" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4434/hovercard?comment_id=742966423&amp;comment_type=issue_comment" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4434#issuecomment-742966423">#4434 (comment)</a>)</p>

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@martinthomson : Technically, non-ack-eliciting packets are never "declared lost". I've proposed a fix in #4437.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Date:   2020-12-13 (Sun, 13 Dec 2020)

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  not acked


  Commit: a35dc443546910ac2c5cc6a147345a7d8b037664
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  Merge pull request #4437 from quicwg/jri/morepc

Consistency tweak to persistent congestion definition


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Note: Don't merge until the last minute.


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  Final salt and retry keys

Also, examples use final version numbers.

IMPORTANT: the TLS extension codepoint needs to be updated, both in the
text and in the examples (which will result in changes to authentication
tags and the affected ciphertext).


  Commit: cb02592f960ea96f3ff54d61768df9242064d893
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  Add final TLS extension codepoint


  Commit: 1b2efdf250b306b82ea2069a483131e91fabadb8
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  Date:   2020-12-10 (Thu, 10 Dec 2020)

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  Revert switch to 46 as the codepoint

This keeps the changes to the IANA considerations.


  Commit: 50e2647652bb20fe4a9cdf06a81cd60e54e9ec77
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  Date:   2020-12-11 (Fri, 11 Dec 2020)

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  Use the new codepoint (57) for the TLS extension


  Commit: ace1ec1445aeda0597c983e20d8bd752ce1d64cf
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  Merge pull request #4431 from quicwg/final-salts

Final salt and retry keys


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5cfd3d27ce47...ace1ec1445ae


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Recovery changelog


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  * Changelogs for -transport and -tls -33

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

One nit, but LGTM.

> @@ -2505,6 +2505,13 @@ restrict packet size have a limit of 2^21.5.
 
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- Added final values for Initial key derivation, Retry authentication, and TLS
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  Missed the extension codepoint

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Changelogs for -transport and -tls -33


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Merged #4439 into master.

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Not so much a nit as a flat-out oopsie there.

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I think we can leave this for the RFC Editor to fix, unless for some reason we need to do a -34 anyway. Leaving this open until we know.

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note: &quot;payload body&quot; -&gt; &quot;payload data&quot;
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<p>note: "payload body" -&gt; "payload data"</p>

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

This looks fine.  Basically all the suggested changes revolve around the fact that "a payload body" works but "a payload data" doesn't.

> @@ -497,8 +497,8 @@ The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 7.1 of {{?HTTP11}} MUST NOT
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-interim responses (1xx; see Section 14.2 of {{!SEMANTICS}}) precede a final
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-A request or response that includes a payload body can include a
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```suggestion
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> @@ -744,11 +744,11 @@ frames but is invalid due to:
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  Changed paths:
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  http: update terminology and ref for new http core drafts (#4442)

* http: update terminology and ref for new http core drafts

note: "payload body" -> "payload data"

* Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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> @@ -81,6 +81,13 @@ low-latency connection establishment.  This document describes a mapping of HTTP
 semantics over QUIC.  This document also identifies HTTP/2 features that are
 subsumed by QUIC, and describes how HTTP/2 extensions can be ported to HTTP/3.
 
+--- note_DO_NOT_DEPLOY_THIS_VERSION_OF_HTTP
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+> RFC Editor, please remove this note.
+
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```suggestion
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> @@ -81,6 +81,13 @@ low-latency connection establishment.  This document describes a mapping of HTTP
 semantics over QUIC.  This document also identifies HTTP/2 features that are
 subsumed by QUIC, and describes how HTTP/2 extensions can be ported to HTTP/3.
 
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048f0465f4d97ec888df50cfad4515b8de2609cb  Apply suggestions from code review


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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md

  Log Message:
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  qpack-20 changelog



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> @@ -2537,6 +2542,11 @@ for what might be a temporary or intermittent error.
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  Changed paths:
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Closes #4440.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4445

-- Commit Summary --

  * It is spelled &#39;acknowledgement&#39;

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (12)
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (94)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (24)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (54)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4440.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="765742834" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4440" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4440/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4440">#4440</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>It is spelled &#39;acknowledgement&#39;</li>
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Do I read this wrong, or did you go for acknowledgment contrary to the topic header?

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I was trained on something approximating British English, which generally uses the longer form.  The title is a statement of (subjective) truth with no actual bearing on the changes.

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In that case the capitalised (capitalized) version might also want to disagree with the topic header: "Acknowledgement", assuming that US spelling is somewhat consistent.

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<p>In that case the capitalised (capitalized) version might also want to disagree with the topic header: "Acknowledgement", assuming that US spelling is somewhat consistent.</p>

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

So it is



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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Is it though? :-)

I'm fine with either, and I actually prefer the shorter one, but your issue title suggests the opposite change.



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<p>Is it though? :-)</p>
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> @@ -343,7 +343,7 @@ Count in order to identify which dynamic table entries can be referenced without
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There are other places with uppercase, but that needs a search, e.g. https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/1fa5d4958609a9c1eb6ed2d94d16415476428b6e/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#acknowledgements

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<p>There are other places with uppercase, but that needs a search, e.g. <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/1fa5d4958609a9c1eb6ed2d94d16415476428b6e/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#acknowledgements">https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/1fa5d4958609a9c1eb6ed2d94d16415476428b6e/draft-ietf-quic-http.md#acknowledgements</a></p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/acknowledgement
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1cb4b0dd0b1e6d2b6b1142c7d17dd97ea91b13f3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-16 (Wed, 16 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
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1cb4b0dd0b1e6d2b6b1142c7d17dd97ea91b13f3  Catch the capitalized ones too


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Someone should learn to drive sed better.  I've fixed the uppercase variants as well.

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Maybe leftovers from #1921, or newly added text.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4446

-- Commit Summary --

  * replace remaining use of &quot;octet&quot; with &quot;byte&quot;

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4)
    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>Maybe leftovers from <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="374180303" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1921" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1921/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1921">#1921</a>, or newly added text.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>replace remaining use of &quot;octet&quot; with &quot;byte&quot;</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4446/files#diff-7d82856cf95e32bfca4c87174fe06211c9d46c160ec9934b3d4c32cab4f83ea8">draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4446/files#diff-258c0e56cd25b2cce385b9288501d13cca7bbfb03b05a2e569ac1d0cd295f650">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4446/files#diff-42873df666a8ef4f18a716aaeefb1815db2d7a1935cc8d47532191f2648439cf">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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> @@ -1041,17 +1041,17 @@ Consider the following sequence of events:
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 | t=1    | Send packet #2 (app data)  |
-| t=1.2  | Recv acknowledgement of #1 |
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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

couple of formatting ones, but otherwise lgtm.

>  | t=2    | Send packet #3 (app data)  |
 | t=3    | Send packet #4 (app data)  |
 | t=4    | Send packet #5 (app data)  |
 | t=5    | Send packet #6 (app data)  |
 | t=6    | Send packet #7 (app data)  |
 | t=8    | Send packet #8 (PTO 1)     |
 | t=12   | Send packet #9 (PTO 2)     |
-| t=12.2 | Recv acknowledgement of #9 |
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  Branch: refs/heads/acknowledgement
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-16 (Wed, 16 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Now I know why we used "ack" so much -- to avoid deciding which way to spell this.

> @@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ normative:
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Is the title of this paper in fact different from what we had in the text?

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<p>Now I know why we used "ack" so much -- to avoid deciding which way to spell this.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4445#discussion_r544208836">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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<p>Is the title of this paper in fact different from what we had in the text?</p>

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> Now I know why we used "ack" so much -- to avoid deciding which way to spell this.

No kidding, and acknowledgement is pretty long.  I wonder if we should just define 'ack' as acknowledgement at the beginning.

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> @@ -64,7 +64,7 @@ normative:
 informative:
 
   FACK:
-    title: "Forward Acknowledgement: Refining TCP Congestion Control"
+    title: "Forward Acknowledgment: Refining TCP Congestion Control"

However, they use "Acknowledgment" without the 'e' in the abstract.  Yeesh.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4445#discussion_r544376771">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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   FACK:
-    title: &quot;Forward Acknowledgement: Refining TCP Congestion Control&quot;
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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Yes, I think these are mostly new / imported from other docs.



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<p>Yes, I think these are mostly new / imported from other docs.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/acknowledgement
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  Changed paths:
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I'm sure the document was touched by his noodly appendage of the Octocat :octocat:

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  Soften this a little (#181)


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  The name of the WG is "HTTP" (#183)

httpbis is just the data tracker tag


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  Merge pull request #4446 from kazuho/kazuho/octets-to-bytes

replace remaining use of "octet" with "byte"


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  * Add a few missing transport-33 changelog items

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  * Fix transport I-D typo: s/amplication/amplification/

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (10)

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  <li>Fix transport I-D typo: s/amplication/amplification/</li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/83d388fa12e411606f515b38d6bf2852ecada49d
  Author: Dmitri Tikhonov <dtikhonov@litespeedtech.com>
  Date:   2020-12-18 (Fri, 18 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix transport I-D typo: s/amplication/amplification/


  Commit: 3ec0543e7303e9d05f5b6a786a4a71cc16125db3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3ec0543e7303e9d05f5b6a786a4a71cc16125db3
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  Date:   2020-12-18 (Fri, 18 Dec 2020)

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  Merge pull request #4448 from dtikhonov/202012181718-fix-amplication-typo

Fix transport I-D typo: s/amplication/amplification/


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  Commit: 1e983d4c3efd2346f5e6cae9a5f4ab2dbf16f142
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  Bah, tables

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 99ceeba68f11e3ab625a5cccbb9f307285e626e0
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  Commit: 9624201c65e6b47aee4bfd121b3af1facf9a8fa8
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  Log Message:
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  Don't change paper names


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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4445 from quicwg/acknowledgement

It is spelled 'acknowledgement'


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3ec0543e7303...dff1d435ac67


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I did not follow the development on this issue an PR closely, but I came back here as I had the following thought:

If the application is able to protect itself against replay attacks, for example using entangled quantum effects, or something more mondane like a server side state, then 0-RTT does not have to be idempotent. Requiring it to be idempotent would prevent an application from managing side-effects intelligently.

It appears to me that the now merged PR indeed does remove the idempotency requirement, but at the same time this issue seems to suggest that there needs to be a requirement that is stronger that idempotency, which goes against the application that is able to handle this (along with a suitable application profile).

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<p>I did not follow the development on this issue an PR closely, but I came back here as I had the following thought:</p>
<p>If the application is able to protect itself against replay attacks, for example using entangled quantum effects, or something more mondane like a server side state, then 0-RTT does not have to be idempotent. Requiring it to be idempotent would prevent an application from managing side-effects intelligently.</p>
<p>It appears to me that the now merged PR indeed does remove the idempotency requirement, but at the same time this issue seems to suggest that there needs to be a requirement that is stronger that idempotency, which goes against the application that is able to handle this (along with a suitable application profile).</p>
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Right.  The problem is that the client can't know what the server is doing.  So it can't commit to anything more than what is recommended without assuming some risk.

This text doesn't prevent an application protocol from defining signals that would allow a client to do something riskier.  The only normative text to this effect is:

> A client therefore MUST NOT use 0-RTT for application data unless specifically requested by the application that is in use.

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<p>Right.  The problem is that the client can't know what the server is doing.  So it can't commit to anything more than what is recommended without assuming some risk.</p>
<p>This text doesn't prevent an application protocol from defining signals that would allow a client to do something riskier.  The only normative text to this effect is:</p>
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OK, so client in this context is the transport client. It basically cannot even do idempotent things without adult supervision, but with supervision, it can do more.

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<p>OK, so client in this context is the transport client. It basically cannot even do idempotent things without adult supervision, but with supervision, it can do more.</p>

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This should address all of them at once; one per commit for those that I think need action.

This is probably OK:

&gt; 13.3 &quot;it is not forbidden to retransmit copies of frames from lost packets&quot; Is this true for PATH_CHALLENGE? I thought this quite explicitly shouldn&#39;t be copied.

This is not expressly forbidden.  We do say [this](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-8.2.1-4):

&gt; The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer&#39;s response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.

Which doesn&#39;t really contradict the other.  FWIW, I&#39;m not a fan of allowing frames to be copied, implementations really should do that, but it&#39;s a consequence of having frame idempotency.

This is one I&#39;m not sure about:

&gt; 14 &quot;Thus, modern IPv4 and all IPv6 network paths will be able to support QUIC.&quot; Generally true, but should be qualified for the presence of arbitrary numbers of tunnels.

What is the prevailing advice regarding MTU and tunnels?  Clearly when you tunnel you get a smaller MTU, but I haven&#39;t seen what happens when IPv6 is tunneled over a network that has a minimum MTU.  Most paths don&#39;t have that small an MTU, so it might be that things just fail.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED is just for stream limits
  * Only the Retry token is invalid here
  * Stream flow control can stop in Reset Recvd too
  * Connection ID length isn&#39;t a varint either
  * Cite QUIC-TLS for HRR definition
  * A token might cause an Initial to grow beyond the MTU
  * Remove redundant text

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (33)

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<p>This should address all of them at once; one per commit for those that I think need action.</p>
<p>This is probably OK:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>13.3 "it is not forbidden to retransmit copies of frames from lost packets" Is this true for PATH_CHALLENGE? I thought this quite explicitly shouldn't be copied.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is not expressly forbidden.  We do say <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-8.2.1-4" rel="nofollow">this</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The endpoint MUST use unpredictable data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it can associate the peer's response with the corresponding PATH_CHALLENGE.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Which doesn't really contradict the other.  FWIW, I'm not a fan of allowing frames to be copied, implementations really should do that, but it's a consequence of having frame idempotency.</p>
<p>This is one I'm not sure about:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>14 "Thus, modern IPv4 and all IPv6 network paths will be able to support QUIC." Generally true, but should be qualified for the presence of arbitrary numbers of tunnels.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>What is the prevailing advice regarding MTU and tunnels?  Clearly when you tunnel you get a smaller MTU, but I haven't seen what happens when IPv6 is tunneled over a network that has a minimum MTU.  Most paths don't have that small an MTU, so it might be that things just fail.</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED is just for stream limits</li>
  <li>Only the Retry token is invalid here</li>
  <li>Stream flow control can stop in Reset Recvd too</li>
  <li>Connection ID length isn&#39;t a varint either</li>
  <li>Cite QUIC-TLS for HRR definition</li>
  <li>A token might cause an Initial to grow beyond the MTU</li>
  <li>Remove redundant text</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
<ul>
  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449/files#diff-42873df666a8ef4f18a716aaeefb1815db2d7a1935cc8d47532191f2648439cf">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (33)
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</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449.diff</a></li>
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> 17.2.1 I believe it is correct that there will be no negative consequences from
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> 22 I am unclear about the status of these registries (except the version
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> 3.1 An endpoint shouldn't "generate STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED frames" if it is
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<p>3.1 An endpoint shouldn't "generate STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED frames" if it is<br>
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@martinduke said:

> 21.13 "This means that client-controlled fields, such as the initial
> Destination Connection ID used on Initial and 0-RTT packets SHOULD NOT be used
> by themselves to make routing decisions." There was a lot of discussion in the
> QUIC-LB design team about whether this was an attack to be worried about or
> not, and we came down in favor of "not".
> 
> More importantly, I don't see how this is practical advice. If we're to use
> Retry SCIDs to route subsequent packets, then load balancers have to use the
> DCID of Initials. Without validating the token, which most LBs will not do,
> they have no way of distinguishing between attacker-generated DCIDs with a
> bogus token and those that originally came from the server. One option is to
> simply remove this recommendation.
> 
> Alternatively, you could leave this section unaltered and delete the bit in
> 8.1.2 about using Retry to reroute packets. In practice, keeping 21.13 would
> require a revision of QUIC-LB to just use 4-tuple routing for long header
> packets or make it less robust for new versions.

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<p>21.13 "This means that client-controlled fields, such as the initial<br>
Destination Connection ID used on Initial and 0-RTT packets SHOULD NOT be used<br>
by themselves to make routing decisions." There was a lot of discussion in the<br>
QUIC-LB design team about whether this was an attack to be worried about or<br>
not, and we came down in favor of "not".</p>
<p>More importantly, I don't see how this is practical advice. If we're to use<br>
Retry SCIDs to route subsequent packets, then load balancers have to use the<br>
DCID of Initials. Without validating the token, which most LBs will not do,<br>
they have no way of distinguishing between attacker-generated DCIDs with a<br>
bogus token and those that originally came from the server. One option is to<br>
simply remove this recommendation.</p>
<p>Alternatively, you could leave this section unaltered and delete the bit in<br>
8.1.2 about using Retry to reroute packets. In practice, keeping 21.13 would<br>
require a revision of QUIC-LB to just use 4-tuple routing for long header<br>
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> 8.1.2 I am not sure what you mean by the phrase "that can be unprotected"

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> 13.3 I believe MAX_STREAM_DATA retransmissions should cease in state
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> 13.3 "it is not forbidden to retransmit copies of frames from lost packets" Is
this true for PATH_CHALLENGE? I thought this quite explicitly shouldn't be
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>14 "Thus, modern IPv4 and all IPv6 network paths will be able to support QUIC."
Generally true, but should be qualified for the presence of arbitrary numbers
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> 16 The CID length field is another exception to varint encoding.


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> 17.2.2 Please include a reference for HelloRetryRequest for those unfamiliar
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@martinduke said:

> 17.2.5.3 "A client MUST use the same cryptographic handshake message it
> included in this packet. A server MAY treat a packet that contains a different
> cryptographic handshake message as a connection error or discard it." If the
> client hello is large, the Retry Token itself might affect what part of it fits
> in the packet. The language here doesn't contradict that, but a naive server
> implementation of the server check might not catch that corner case (e.g.
> including a hash of the CHLO in the Retry token)
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> [BTW the very next paragraph redundantly repeats part of this requirement].
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My recommendation is to answer the question, but not change anything.  See #4449 for an answer.

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<p>My recommendation is to answer the question, but not change anything.  See <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="772732218" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4449" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4449">#4449</a> for an answer.</p>

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This is not one that I have an answer to currently.  We could just wave this away as Martin suggests, but I'm not sure that is best.  What do tunneling protocols say about ensuring the IPv6 minimum MTU?

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<p>This is not one that I have an answer to currently.  We could just wave this away as Martin suggests, but I'm not sure that is best.  What do tunneling protocols say about ensuring the IPv6 minimum MTU?</p>

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I suggest we do nothing here.  Yes, we could preempt a version 2 and that these registries are for any QUIC version that signs on, but that is already true without saying anything at all.  And I would oppose saying that these are exclusively QUIC version 1, because that might not be true.

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<p>I suggest we do nothing here.  Yes, we could preempt a version 2 and that these registries are for any QUIC version that signs on, but that is already true without saying anything at all.  And I would oppose saying that these are exclusively QUIC version 1, because that might not be true.</p>
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Very well, please close this issue. Sorry for the confusion.

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<p>Very well, please close this issue. Sorry for the confusion.</p>

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I wouldn't be so confident in saying that there will be no negative consequences.  Indeed, I think that integrity protection for Version Negotiation would go a long way to improving the protocol.  However, I also don't feel confident in defining an integrity protection mechanism.

One way or other, we're going to pay for this.  We can only hope that the cost isn't too high in the end.

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<p>I wouldn't be so confident in saying that there will be no negative consequences.  Indeed, I think that integrity protection for Version Negotiation would go a long way to improving the protocol.  However, I also don't feel confident in defining an integrity protection mechanism.</p>
<p>One way or other, we're going to pay for this.  We can only hope that the cost isn't too high in the end.</p>

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I am comfortable with @martinthomson 's suggestion if that is the consensus and there is no intention from the authors of what future versions should do. (I definitely agree that we should not put a MUST here).

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<p>I am comfortable with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> 's suggestion if that is the consensus and there is no intention from the authors of what future versions should do. (I definitely agree that we should not put a MUST here).</p>

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My reading of this, together with the Version Negotiation Draft, is that the specific case that drove the Retry Integrity check was that a flipped bit drove the client to a timeout because it couldn't accept a second Retry. A flipped bit in VN would simply result in a second VN, or a CONN_CLOSE early in the handshake -- no timeout necessary.

For both Retry and VN, actual malicious injection requires the TP mechanisms to discover -- integrity checks won't help. Therefore, the risk of defining a integrity check with a soon-to-be-deprecated mechanism is not so high.

Anyway, that's my reasoning, FWIW, but I am not the expert. As my original comment implies, I'm happy to go with whatever action you guys decide after you think it through.

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<p>My reading of this, together with the Version Negotiation Draft, is that the specific case that drove the Retry Integrity check was that a flipped bit drove the client to a timeout because it couldn't accept a second Retry. A flipped bit in VN would simply result in a second VN, or a CONN_CLOSE early in the handshake -- no timeout necessary.</p>
<p>For both Retry and VN, actual malicious injection requires the TP mechanisms to discover -- integrity checks won't help. Therefore, the risk of defining a integrity check with a soon-to-be-deprecated mechanism is not so high.</p>
<p>Anyway, that's my reasoning, FWIW, but I am not the expert. As my original comment implies, I'm happy to go with whatever action you guys decide after you think it through.</p>

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<p>This looks good to me, with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> 's nit.</p>

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Yes, the bitflip is exactly the sort of problem I think we'll need to deal with.  A flipped bit (or attack) will be detected, but at the cost of time. Possibly quite a lot of time.  Good point about the timeout with Retry; as you say, this is maybe less prone to ending up with a timeout, though not entirely.  A bitflip that is limited to the connection ID fields, or that causes the version to change to the attempted version, will cause the packet to be dropped and that will lead to a timeout.

Thankfully, with things like Alt-Svc and SVCB, we might not depend on the version negotiation mechanism very much, if at all.

In other words, yeah, this design is suboptimal, but I think that it's the best balance.  (I have some ideas for how we might fix this post-hoc if it comes to that, but they have their own issues.)

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<p>Yes, the bitflip is exactly the sort of problem I think we'll need to deal with.  A flipped bit (or attack) will be detected, but at the cost of time. Possibly quite a lot of time.  Good point about the timeout with Retry; as you say, this is maybe less prone to ending up with a timeout, though not entirely.  A bitflip that is limited to the connection ID fields, or that causes the version to change to the attempted version, will cause the packet to be dropped and that will lead to a timeout.</p>
<p>Thankfully, with things like Alt-Svc and SVCB, we might not depend on the version negotiation mechanism very much, if at all.</p>
<p>In other words, yeah, this design is suboptimal, but I think that it's the best balance.  (I have some ideas for how we might fix this post-hoc if it comes to that, but they have their own issues.)</p>

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I agree that having integrity protection would be a good thing for VN packets -- we've recently seen the IP/UDP checksum fail badly in deployed settings. That said, I'm wary of adding this now primarily because:
- agreeing on something for all time is likely going to be difficult
- as @martinduke and @martinthomson note, the reliance on and cost of corrupt VN is potentially much lower than of Retry 
- if we decide this is important enough to do in the future, all is not lost -- we have ways to introduce an integrity check later (by sacrificing VN space)

I think I'm happy with what we have now, especially given that we _can_, if needed, bring an integrity check in later.

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<p>I agree that having integrity protection would be a good thing for VN packets -- we've recently seen the IP/UDP checksum fail badly in deployed settings. That said, I'm wary of adding this now primarily because:</p>
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<li>agreeing on something for all time is likely going to be difficult</li>
<li>as <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinduke/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinduke">@martinduke</a> and <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> note, the reliance on and cost of corrupt VN is potentially much lower than of Retry</li>
<li>if we decide this is important enough to do in the future, all is not lost -- we have ways to introduce an integrity check later (by sacrificing VN space)</li>
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<p>I think I'm happy with what we have now, especially given that we <em>can</em>, if needed, bring an integrity check in later.</p>

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I don't know what you mean by "sacrificing VN space". How would a v1 client interpret this new format?

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I agree with @martinthomson -- nothing in there prohibits future versions from either using the same or defining a new registry.

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<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> -- nothing in there prohibits future versions from either using the same or defining a new registry.</p>

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Well, the good thing is that a v1 client doesn't read the version negotiation packet past the connection ID fields.  So we have some options available to us.

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<p>Well, the good thing is that a v1 client doesn't read the version negotiation packet past the connection ID fields.  So we have some options available to us.</p>

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good enough to close this, unless the editors want to hear from anyone else.

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I don't know what the IETF tunneling protocols say about MTU, but I don't expect them to violate IPv6 minimum MTU (someone should correct me if I'm wrong). The problem here might not be about what allowances we make for tunneling -- I don't want to create a list of exceptions in this document -- but about wording.

I propose changing "will be able to support" to "are expected to support".

As long as we are not making assumptions that violate permissions afforded by spec or practice, I think we're good.

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<p>I don't know what the IETF tunneling protocols say about MTU, but I don't expect them to violate IPv6 minimum MTU (someone should correct me if I'm wrong). The problem here might not be about what allowances we make for tunneling -- I don't want to create a list of exceptions in this document -- but about wording.</p>
<p>I propose changing "will be able to support" to "are expected to support".</p>
<p>As long as we are not making assumptions that violate permissions afforded by spec or practice, I think we're good.</p>

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There are various things possible here. One is change the payload format, as @martinthomson suggests. Another strawman is that we reserve a 16-bit version space (say, 0x1111****) for carrying a 16-bit hash. So we have ways.

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<p>There are various things possible here. One is change the payload format, as <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> suggests. Another strawman is that we reserve a 16-bit version space (say, 0x1111****) for carrying a 16-bit hash. So we have ways.</p>

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  STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED is just for stream limits


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  Only the Retry token is invalid here

This is an odd case, but it is important to identify because it can lead
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  Cite QUIC-TLS for HRR definition


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  A token might cause an Initial to grow beyond the MTU


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  Merge pull request #4449 from quicwg/martinduke-nits

Martin Duke's nits


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Closed #4459 via #4449.

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I realized that there are some answers here in the description, but probably best to move them to the relevant issues anyways.

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Closes #4457.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4461

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  * we expect, we don&#39;t predict

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4457.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="773142575" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4457" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4457/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4457">#4457</a>.</p>

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Thanks.  This is weaker, but truer.



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  Merge pull request #4461 from quicwg/jri/mtu

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I think that the point of this section is to highlight the possibility that routing based on client-selected values exposes servers to load that is balanced under client - and therefore attacker - control.  I don't think that it needs to include such a strong recommendation.

If people deploying load balancers are not concerned about this, then that is good.  That makes the recommendation less good.

As this is very old text, it needs a bit of a cleanup anyway.  I'm going to suggest something along the lines of my statement above in a pull request and we can polish the wording there.

I don't think that we should remove the Retry SCID language.  That remains an option for servers, even if they don't want to exercise the option (whether load balancers look at Retry tokens is very much down to how the various functions are distributed).  What could happen is that the Retry SCID is chosen so that the next initial can be routed as though it were chosen by a client, but in such a way as it results in the connection being sent to a lightly-loaded server instance.  That is, if the load balancer routes inchoate Initials based on connection ID, knowledge of that routing algorithm is used to direct traffic.  That said, I understand that what is more likely here is that Initials with inauthentic Destination Connection ID fields will be routed using other information: round-robin, random, five-tuple, or whatever.

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<p>I think that the point of this section is to highlight the possibility that routing based on client-selected values exposes servers to load that is balanced under client - and therefore attacker - control.  I don't think that it needs to include such a strong recommendation.</p>
<p>If people deploying load balancers are not concerned about this, then that is good.  That makes the recommendation less good.</p>
<p>As this is very old text, it needs a bit of a cleanup anyway.  I'm going to suggest something along the lines of my statement above in a pull request and we can polish the wording there.</p>
<p>I don't think that we should remove the Retry SCID language.  That remains an option for servers, even if they don't want to exercise the option (whether load balancers look at Retry tokens is very much down to how the various functions are distributed).  What could happen is that the Retry SCID is chosen so that the next initial can be routed as though it were chosen by a client, but in such a way as it results in the connection being sent to a lightly-loaded server instance.  That is, if the load balancer routes inchoate Initials based on connection ID, knowledge of that routing algorithm is used to direct traffic.  That said, I understand that what is more likely here is that Initials with inauthentic Destination Connection ID fields will be routed using other information: round-robin, random, five-tuple, or whatever.</p>

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I think you're proposing that the text I quoted be deleted. That is satisfactory, and what I would recommend as well.

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We weren't being consistent.  This should help.

Next step is to ensure that our usage is consistent.



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We weren&#39;t being consistent.  This should help.

Next step is to ensure that our usage is consistent.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462

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  * Clarify definition of off-path

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (25)

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<p>We weren't being consistent.  This should help.</p>
<p>Next step is to ensure that our usage is consistent.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Clarify definition of off-path</li>
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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

This is much better -- thank you @martinduke for catching this.

> @@ -4258,8 +4258,9 @@ Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD; {{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC8201}})
 relies on reception of ICMP messages (e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that
 indicate when an IP packet is dropped because it is larger than the local router
 MTU. DPLPMTUD can also optionally use these messages.  This use of ICMP messages
-is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the
-addresses used on the path and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value.
+is potentially vulnerable to attacks by elements that cannot observe packets,

```suggestion
is potentially vulnerable to attacks by elements that cannot observe packets
```

> +packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network; and only an
+entity that receives an Initial packet is able to send a valid Retry packet.

```suggestion
packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network; only an
entity that receives an Initial packet can send a valid Retry packet.
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  Branch: refs/heads/off-path-defn
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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This is OK, but only in a limited fashion.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Transport parameters can be used before they are authentic

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<p>This is OK, but only in a limited fashion.</p>

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@martinduke approved this pull request.

I slightly prefer the word "observe" to "receive" because of the connotation, but either way I'm satisfied. Thanks!

> @@ -4648,8 +4649,8 @@ packet it receives in the Destination Connection ID field.  The value for Source
 Connection ID MUST be copied from the Destination Connection ID of the received
 packet, which is initially randomly selected by a client.  Echoing both
 connection IDs gives clients some assurance that the server received the packet
-and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an off-path
-attacker.
+and that the Version Negotiation packet was not generated by an entity that
+did not receive the Initial packet.

```suggestion
did not observe the Initial packet.
```

> @@ -1435,7 +1435,8 @@ Original Destination Connection ID:
 : The Original Destination Connection ID contains the value of the Destination
   Connection ID from the Initial packet that this Retry is in response to. The
   length of this field is given in ODCID Length. The presence of this field
-  mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject a Retry packet.
+  ensures that a valid Retry packet can only be sent by an entity that
+  receives the Initial packet.

```suggestion
  observes the Initial packet.
```

> @@ -1386,8 +1386,8 @@ incoming 1-RTT protected packets before the TLS handshake is complete.
 
 Retry packets (see the Retry Packet section of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) carry a
 Retry Integrity Tag that provides two properties: it allows discarding
-packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network, and it diminishes
-off-path attackers' ability to send valid Retry packets.
+packets that have accidentally been corrupted by the network; only an
+entity that receives an Initial packet can send a valid Retry packet.

```suggestion
entity that observes an Initial packet can send a valid Retry packet.
```

> @@ -4727,7 +4728,7 @@ In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, Initial packets
 are protected with connection- and version-specific keys (Initial keys) as
 described in {{QUIC-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection
-against off-path attackers.
+against attackers that cannot also receive packets.

```suggestion
against attackers that cannot also observes packets.
```

> @@ -4727,7 +4728,7 @@ In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, Initial packets
 are protected with connection- and version-specific keys (Initial keys) as
 described in {{QUIC-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
 integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection

```suggestion
integrity against attackers that can observe the packets, but provides some level of protection
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To align with &quot;official&quot; terminology in RFC 8499.  Cite that.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4464

-- Commit Summary --

  * Use &quot;domain name&quot;, not &quot;DNS name&quot;

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (7)

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<p>To align with "official" terminology in RFC 8499.  Cite that.</p>

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I don't see any way of making this change without breaking interop, in the strict sense. That said, I'm still in favor of making this change, as I believe there's an easy way that we can include a hash here that will not break interop in practice. 

Let me make a straw-man proposal here: If we choose a 16-bit hash, we could place a 16-bit magic value, followed by the hash right [after the SCID](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-invariants-07#section-5):
```
0                   1                   2                   3
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
|         magic value           |            hash             |
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The magic value would have to be chosen such that it doesn't collide with a prefix of an already deployed QUIC version. Looking at the [version registry](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/QUIC-Versions) (and assuming it's up-to-date), there should be plenty of options. 
A client that is aware of the change here would only run the checksum verification if the magic value matches (if clients want to get fancy, they could also consider the Levenshtein distance, in order to also catch flips in the magic value). Once draft versions have disappeared from the internet, this magic-value-matching would become unnecessary, and the respective code could be removed from clients.

As the magic value prefix doesn't collide with any versions that were ever deployed (by construction), clients that are using the old VN format would ignore the 32 bits we're adding, as they'd parse them as a QUIC version number that they don't support.



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<p>I don't see any way of making this change without breaking interop, in the strict sense. That said, I'm still in favor of making this change, as I believe there's an easy way that we can include a hash here that will not break interop in practice.</p>
<p>Let me make a straw-man proposal here: If we choose a 16-bit hash, we could place a 16-bit magic value, followed by the hash right <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-invariants-07#section-5" rel="nofollow">after the SCID</a>:</p>
<pre><code>0                   1                   2                   3
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<p>The magic value would have to be chosen such that it doesn't collide with a prefix of an already deployed QUIC version. Looking at the <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/QUIC-Versions">version registry</a> (and assuming it's up-to-date), there should be plenty of options.<br>
A client that is aware of the change here would only run the checksum verification if the magic value matches (if clients want to get fancy, they could also consider the Levenshtein distance, in order to also catch flips in the magic value). Once draft versions have disappeared from the internet, this magic-value-matching would become unnecessary, and the respective code could be removed from clients.</p>
<p>As the magic value prefix doesn't collide with any versions that were ever deployed (by construction), clients that are using the old VN format would ignore the 32 bits we're adding, as they'd parse them as a QUIC version number that they don't support.</p>

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@seanturner approved this pull request.

I think the changes add clarity.



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<p><b>@seanturner</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>I think the changes add clarity.</p>

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In the issues section, it says that you can not send suggestions, and the iron must be forged while it is hot, so I will leave this idea here:

_Since many system administrators [filter](https://www.google.com/search?q=block+quic+protocol) QUIC traffic (many ways based on udp ports 80, 443), forcing the user to return to TCP, I would like to suggest a way to speed up the integration of QUIC on the Internet.
It consists in using a TXT record with the value or intervals of ports to which the server can accept QUIC connections.
Thus, QUIC ceases to depend on a single port, gaining scalability.
Thank you._

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<p>In the issues section, it says that you can not send suggestions, and the iron must be forged while it is hot, so I will leave this idea here:</p>
<p><em>Since many system administrators <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=block+quic+protocol" rel="nofollow">filter</a> QUIC traffic (many ways based on udp ports 80, 443), forcing the user to return to TCP, I would like to suggest a way to speed up the integration of QUIC on the Internet.<br>
It consists in using a TXT record with the value or intervals of ports to which the server can accept QUIC connections.<br>
Thus, QUIC ceases to depend on a single port, gaining scalability.<br>
Thank you.</em></p>

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Please see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-httpssvc-03. 

But this is not a problem that the base drafts need to solve, so there is really nothing more to discuss here.

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<p>Please see <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-httpssvc-03" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-httpssvc-03</a>.</p>
<p>But this is not a problem that the base drafts need to solve, so there is really nothing more to discuss here.</p>

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

This is an improvement.  Thanks.

> @@ -4726,8 +4727,8 @@ Packet Payload:
 In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, Initial packets
 are protected with connection- and version-specific keys (Initial keys) as
 described in {{QUIC-TLS}}.  This protection does not provide confidentiality or
-integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of protection
-against off-path attackers.
+integrity against attackers that can observe packets, but provides some level of
+protection against attackers that cannot also observes packets.

```suggestion
protection against attackers that cannot observe packets.
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>  
 For the purposes of this discussion, it is assumed that an off-path attacker
-has the ability to observe, modify, and re-inject a packet into the network
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+has the ability to observe and re-inject a modified copy of a packet into the

```suggestion
has the ability to inject a modified copy of a packet into the
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Given that we've just talked about the observe-modify-reinject process in the previous sentence, I think we're safe to shorthand this to injecting a modified packet.

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  Use "domain name", not "DNS name"

To align with "official" terminology in RFC 8499.  Cite that.


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  Merge pull request #4464 from quicwg/domain-name

Use "domain name", not "DNS name"


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It's a cute scheme, analogous to Jana's comment.  But it equally demonstrates how this could be added as an extension later, if we decide it's worth doing; it would be just as transparent to un-extended clients as your proposal would be to draft clients.  The VN draft or some future draft could reserve that version range in the registry and define how to do an integrity check on the payload of a VN packet.

My feeling right now is that this isn't required to ship; we have a VN draft adopted, and if as part of our fuller consideration of how to do version negotiation we decide it's warranted, let's do it there.

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<p>My feeling right now is that this isn't required to ship; we have a VN draft adopted, and if as part of our fuller consideration of how to do version negotiation we decide it's warranted, let's do it there.</p>

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> But it equally demonstrates how this could be added as an extension later, if we decide it's worth doing; it would be just as transparent to un-extended clients as your proposal would be to draft clients. 

I agree, with one caveat: We'd have to reserve a block of version numbers for the magic value. If we want to do this, we should probably do this earlier rather than later, otherwise these version numbers might get used by people running private versions / experiments.

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> The third-to-last paragraph of Sec 4.1.3 implies that the transport
parameters are not delivered until the handshake is complete. In 8.2 it says
that the TPs are "available" but "not fully trusted" before completion. The
latter is certainly true; but the server can't send 0.5-RTT packets (e.g. a
SETTINGS frame) without any indication of the client transport parameters. I
would suggest a clarification in 4.1.3 and letting the language in 8.2 stand.


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<p>The third-to-last paragraph of Sec 4.1.3 implies that the transport<br>
parameters are not delivered until the handshake is complete. In 8.2 it says<br>
that the TPs are "available" but "not fully trusted" before completion. The<br>
latter is certainly true; but the server can't send 0.5-RTT packets (e.g. a<br>
SETTINGS frame) without any indication of the client transport parameters. I<br>
would suggest a clarification in 4.1.3 and letting the language in 8.2 stand.</p>
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@martinduke said:

> 5.8 says the ODCID field "mitigates an off-path attacker's ability to inject
> a Retry".
> 
> First, in quic-transport you defined an off-path attacker (21.1) as someone who
> can observe but not alter packets. I don't think that's what you mean here, so
> please use another a term here or explicitly define what you mean in this
> document. Come to think of it, there are some inconsistent usages of this term
> in quic-transport as well (14.2.1,17.2.1, 17.2.2 )
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> Secondly, it is not clear to me what protection this offers beyond the DCID
> field in the actual Retry Packet (which corresponds to the SCID of the Initial).

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a Retry".</p>
<p>First, in quic-transport you defined an off-path attacker (21.1) as someone who<br>
can observe but not alter packets. I don't think that's what you mean here, so<br>
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in quic-transport as well (14.2.1,17.2.1, 17.2.2 )</p>
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Proposed resolution is https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462

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<p>Proposed resolution is <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="773320116" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4462" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462">#4462</a></p>

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It would take 65k versions registered / in unregistered use before that's the case, and that only if they're perfectly distributed across the space.  I hear the caution, but I'm not sure I share the urgency.

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<p>It would take 65k versions registered / in unregistered use before that's the case, and that only if they're perfectly distributed across the space.  I hear the caution, but I'm not sure I share the urgency.</p>

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