From nobody Fri Feb 3 02:06:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: recentattendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: recentattendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860F2129415; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 02:06:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZPlxVfK514u; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 02:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x230.google.com (mail-io0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8DC128AB0; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 02:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-x230.google.com with SMTP id j13so13870050iod.3; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 02:05:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yLKtyn6mtaSjw9I6sNW9DaosZHhncnbTtCfCTeCSzuA=; b=ipon+crCX4t3CW1HttWN8desgwPbg7VaIiFSw9iejQRzxc3vUQH4WQ+QTu8TQTHVdg H5KKdm8mYkI9amzwOpcrHoFxkGy+BAiSFK8B5Jo9IFx61QA2nnaV3KwDhqj57/Jvas/d BxS4qbfuxRN5UvkIeZX/MHuZjvRXsRxIo/1oR2S96JZ12BHXUjUT06rF5Mz9iUlXvOc2 MuxPbwYnfaDRNWMfqnLwtNup2/tM/20ZacssvvwKqDa9G5XZisHXIVg1YzvFnRHikVYE YPe6eyNXUgfllfwye9itFUDM8qm2zbx26szGSmVTlNUgATKHaOmVvS83TNngK1lrr3aW llHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yLKtyn6mtaSjw9I6sNW9DaosZHhncnbTtCfCTeCSzuA=; b=YP+cPwv53O17U5vK9eo9gJWr8M0T61sBOg/t0+ivDUT1NDjV9IlcUMAi4hEh26aDY4 5ymObB8NiixCK6Z+ckt27ecJ+ruhWvviaXSL+5NQlZLoIkx+9Kcdf/xojFivud6xhdaU ikk/IRUA7u+Lg0YXutWoWCcpIT/EzuRHuIApIrtvF0DBEaKL9x8OExw1u+YnP5ul3tx4 OXrtiCrtVgJxalLl4vBAfSbXT2TVWGhN+aWzMYTKcCzp7dh/mujTCrhIdUybqZqAahyJ A1ve3VwojE3dWkfDmcGdyrXkqZY45RN37I4lfT883SE4FIWQp9Rr7Kfb52wIbuRE0+1f m1dQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXKDmAHT+foZjexlBb9ZlALuxGeiOOlp1lYanSAKb99etB3kicT+5T1k/RDuykL3QYplO7fx1Q/2NiMKYA== X-Received: by 10.107.148.141 with SMTP id w135mr10967433iod.229.1486116358392; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 02:05:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.178.210 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 02:05:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7B01DE73-2908-4602-9D76-9056215033DA@gmail.com> References: <20160525220818.18333.71186.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <700D9CB7-4EFD-459B-AA12-133A6BB04E90@senki.org> <1C8639E6-1058-4D04-84ED-0C354E6567D1@cisco.com> <9CBABA69-1814-4676-9C69-E129F04AD24C@cisco.com> <5DFDEA43-8156-491D-A300-2BCED1AED1A4@gmail.com> <5747909C.20403@si6networks.com> <955df2106aa2e12cefbd450be022e779.squirrel@www.trepanning.net> <7B01DE73-2908-4602-9D76-9056215033DA@gmail.com> From: Naeem Khademi Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:05:57 +0100 Message-ID: To: Randal Atkinson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f9fe2a3133c05479d6d06 Archived-At: Cc: "recentattendees@ietf.org" , IETF Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: recentattendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Recent IETF Attendees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 10:06:00 -0000 --001a113f9fe2a3133c05479d6d06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Randal Atkinson wrote= : > > > On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi wrote: > > > > The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July 2018 in SF. I > don't think it's even possible > > to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most airlines wouldn't > do such pre-sale). So, it's pretty > > much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with causing no loss t= o > anyone's already-made plans. > > The claim above that "most airlines won=E2=80=99t sell 6 months in advanc= e" is > false. > Since you're quoting me (calling it "claim above"), I have a hard time finding the exact text you're referring to in my writing ;-). I stated that most airlines wouldn't do such a pre-sale for July 2018 (IETF @SF) which happens 16 months in the future, so I stay correct. Regards, Naeem > Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service > international airlines, start selling tickets > at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an > itinerary. > > To my knowledge, there are some people who already have purchased tickets > to go to IETF in SFO. > This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost fares often > sell-out earliest. A number of > IETF people don=E2=80=99t work for big companies and are traveling on the= ir own > money. Those people > would suffer greatly from a change in location less than 12 months out. > > I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more remote meetings. I > think that is worth > exploring. > > I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings more accessible > remotely =E2=80=94 and I think > that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for some years now, > using Jabber, VTC, > and so forth. Expanding the remote access capabilities and coverage for > all future meetings > (to the extent that is practical at a given point in time) only makes > sense. > > Yours, > > Ran > > --001a113f9fe2a3133c05479d6d06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Randal Atkinson <<= a href=3D"mailto:rja.lists@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rja.lists@gmail.com= > wrote:
<= br> > On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July 2018 in SF. I = don't think it's even possible
> to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most airlines wouldn&#= 39;t do such pre-sale). So, it's pretty
> much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with causing no loss = to anyone's already-made plans.

The claim above that "most airlines won=E2=80=99t sell 6 months= in advance" is false.

Since you&#= 39;re quoting me (calling it "claim above"), I have a hard time f= inding the exact text you're referring to in my writing ;-). I stated t= hat most airlines wouldn't do such a pre-sale for July 2018 (IETF @SF) = which happens 16 months in the future, so I stay correct.=C2=A0
<= br>
Regards,
Naeem


Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service international= airlines, start selling tickets
at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an itine= rary.

To my knowledge, there are some people who already have purchased tickets t= o go to IETF in SFO.
This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost fares often sell-out= earliest.=C2=A0 A number of
IETF people don=E2=80=99t work for big companies and are traveling on their= own money.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Those people
would suffer greatly from a change in location less than 12 months out.

I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more remote meetings.=C2=A0= I think that is worth
exploring.

I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings more accessible r= emotely=C2=A0 =E2=80=94 and I think
that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for some years now, usi= ng Jabber, VTC,
and so forth.=C2=A0 Expanding the remote access capabilities and coverage f= or all future meetings
(to the extent that is practical at a given point in time) only makes sense= .

Yours,

Ran


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Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Naeem Khademi > wrote: On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Randal Atkinson > wrote: > On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi > wrote: > > The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July 2018 in SF. I don= 't think it's even possible > to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most airlines wouldn't do= such pre-sale). So, it's pretty > much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with causing no loss to = anyone's already-made plans. The claim above that "most airlines won't sell 6 months in advance" is fals= e. Since you're quoting me (calling it "claim above"), I have a hard time find= ing the exact text you're referring to in my writing ;-). I stated that mos= t airlines wouldn't do such a pre-sale for July 2018 (IETF @SF) which happe= ns 16 months in the future, so I stay correct. Regards, Naeem Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service international= airlines, start selling tickets at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an itine= rary. To my knowledge, there are some people who already have purchased tickets t= o go to IETF in SFO. This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost fares often sell-out= earliest. A number of IETF people don't work for big companies and are traveling on their own mon= ey. Those people would suffer greatly from a change in location less than 12 months out. I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more remote meetings. I th= ink that is worth exploring. I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings more accessible r= emotely - and I think that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for some years now, usi= ng Jabber, VTC, and so forth. Expanding the remote access capabilities and coverage for al= l future meetings (to the extent that is practical at a given point in time) only makes sense= . Yours, Ran _______________________________________________ Recentattendees mailing list Recentattendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/recentattendees --_000_A149FF2AB86648399422BDE77905EC7Dciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it really necessary to punish the entire list with this garbage?
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com> wrote:



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Randal Atkinson = <rja.lists@gmai= l.com> wrote:

> On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July 2018 in SF. I = don't think it's even possible
> to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most airlines wouldn't= do such pre-sale). So, it's pretty
> much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with causing no loss = to anyone's already-made plans.

The claim above that "most airlines won’t sell 6 months i= n advance" is false.

Since you're quoting me (calling it "claim above"), I have a= hard time finding the exact text you're referring to in my writing ;-). I = stated that most airlines wouldn't do such a pre-sale for July 2018 (IETF @= SF) which happens 16 months in the future, so I stay correct. 

Regards,
Naeem


Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service international= airlines, start selling tickets
at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an itine= rary.

To my knowledge, there are some people who already have purchased tickets t= o go to IETF in SFO.
This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost fares often sell-out= earliest.  A number of
IETF people don’t work for big companies and are traveling on their o= wn money.   Those people
would suffer greatly from a change in location less than 12 months out.

I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more remote meetings. = I think that is worth
exploring.

I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings more accessible r= emotely  — and I think
that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for some years now, usi= ng Jabber, VTC,
and so forth.  Expanding the remote access capabilities and coverage f= or all future meetings
(to the extent that is practical at a given point in time) only makes sense= .

Yours,

Ran


_______________________________________________
Recentattendees mailing list
Recentattendees@ietf.org<= /a>
htt= ps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/recentattendees
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<20160525220818.18333.71186.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9CBABA69-1814-4676-9C69-E129F04AD24C@cisco.com> <5DFDEA43-8156-491D-A300-2BCED1AED1A4@gmail.com> <5747909C.20403@si6networks.com> <955df2106aa2e12cefbd450be022e779.squirrel@www.trepanning.net> <7B01DE73-2908-4602-9D76-9056215033DA@gmail.com> From: Michal Krsek Message-ID: <5188b742-73fe-e774-bbf4-79d63cbf83b7@cesnet.cz> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 15:42:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6692E6587B055549AA82FD2B" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] FW: Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: recentattendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Recent IETF Attendees List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:43:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6692E6587B055549AA82FD2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please stop this off topic thread here and use appropriate mailing list (or join ongoing discussion there) Consider all the energy consumed for deliver and display these e-mails on innocent devices of recent attendees Thank you very much for understanding Michal Krsek On 03/02/2017 14:24, Brian Ford (brford) wrote: > > Back on list If anyone else cares? > > *From: *Naeem Khademi > *Date: *Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:09 AM > *To: *"Brian Ford (brford)" > *Cc: *Randal Atkinson > *Subject: *Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for > IETF 100 > > taken off-the-list > > Hi Brian > > Not sure whom you're addressing, perhaps all of us, or just me, but > anyways, I am sorry if you found this thread conversation annoying. I > understand that people may not be so much concerned about some other > people being unable to attend the IETF due to visa ban as long as it > doesn't concern them (which is IMO quite understandable); I just > responded since I was directly quoted on a public mailing list so it > was necessary for me to not be misquoted publicly. > > Regards, > > Naeem > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Brian Ford (brford) > wrote: > > Is it really necessary to punish the entire list with this garbage? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Naeem Khademi > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Randal Atkinson > > wrote: > > > > On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi > > > wrote: > > > > The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July > 2018 in SF. I don't think it's even possible > > to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most > airlines wouldn't do such pre-sale). So, it's pretty > > much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with > causing no loss to anyone's already-made plans. > > The claim above that "most airlines wont sell 6 months in > advance" is false. > > Since you're quoting me (calling it "claim above"), I have a > hard time finding the exact text you're referring to in my > writing ;-). I stated that most airlines wouldn't do such a > pre-sale for July 2018 (IETF @SF) which happens 16 months in > the future, so I stay correct. > > Regards, > > Naeem > > > Most airlines, including all or nearly all major > full-service international airlines, start selling tickets > at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st > flight on an itinerary. > > To my knowledge, there are some people who already have > purchased tickets to go to IETF in SFO. > This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost > fares often sell-out earliest. A number of > IETF people dont work for big companies and are traveling > on their own money. Those people > would suffer greatly from a change in location less than > 12 months out. > > I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more > remote meetings. I think that is worth > exploring. > > I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings > more accessible remotely and I think > that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for > some years now, using Jabber, VTC, > and so forth. 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Please stop this off topic thread here and use appropriate mailing list (or join ongoing discussion there)

Consider all the energy consumed for deliver and display these e-mails on innocent devices of recent attendees


Thank you very much for understanding

Michal Krsek



On 03/02/2017 14:24, Brian Ford (brford) wrote:

Back on list If anyone else cares?

From: Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:09 AM
To: "Brian Ford (brford)" <brford@cisco.com>
Cc: Randal Atkinson <rja.lists@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Recentattendees] Background on Singapore go/no go for IETF 100

taken off-the-list

Hi Brian

Not sure whom you're addressing, perhaps all of us, or just me, but anyways, I am sorry if you found this thread conversation annoying. I understand that people may not be so much concerned about some other people being unable to attend the IETF due to visa ban as long as it doesn't concern them (which is IMO quite understandable); I just responded since I was directly quoted on a public mailing list so it was necessary for me to not be misquoted publicly.

Regards,

Naeem

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Brian Ford (brford) <brford@cisco.com> wrote:

Is it really necessary to punish the entire list with this garbage?

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:07 AM, Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Randal Atkinson <rja.lists@gmail.com> wrote:


> On 31Jan2017, at 04:44, Naeem Khademi <naeem.khademi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The next IETF in the US after Chicago, would be in July 2018 in SF. I don't think it's even possible
> to buy a flight ticket for that time as of now (most airlines wouldn't do such pre-sale). So, it's pretty
> much possible to relocate that meeting elsewhere with causing no loss to anyone's already-made plans.

The claim above that "most airlines wont sell 6 months in advance" is false.

Since you're quoting me (calling it "claim above"), I have a hard time finding the exact text you're referring to in my writing ;-). I stated that most airlines wouldn't do such a pre-sale for July 2018 (IETF @SF) which happens 16 months in the future, so I stay correct.

Regards,

Naeem


Most airlines, including all or nearly all major full-service international airlines, start selling tickets
at least 12 months before the departure date for the 1st flight on an itinerary.

To my knowledge, there are some people who already have purchased tickets to go to IETF in SFO.
This really ought not be surprising as the lowest-cost fares often sell-out earliest. A number of
IETF people dont work for big companies and are traveling on their own money. Those people
would suffer greatly from a change in location less than 12 months out.

I am aware that some have suggested the IETF do more remote meetings. I think that is worth
exploring.

I certainly would support IETF making all future meetings more accessible remotely and I think
that is a goal the IETF has been making progress on for some years now, using Jabber, VTC,
and so forth. Expanding the remote access capabilities and coverage for all future meetings
(to the extent that is practical at a given point in time) only makes sense.

Yours,

Ran

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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/recentattendees



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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/recentattendees

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When: Saturday March 25 and Sunday March 26 Where: Swissotel Chicago, Room TBD Signup for the Hackathon: https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf98/hackathonregistration.py More information can be found here: http://ietf.org/hackathon/98-hackathon.html Keep up to date by subscribing to: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hackathon The IETF is still seeking a Hackathon sponsor for 2017! For more information please see: https://iaoc.ietf.org/host-and-sponsorship.html Contact Howie Baggott if interested, baggott@isoc.org. The Hackathon is free to attend and open to all. Extend the invitation to colleagues outside the IETF! Descriptions and information regarding the technologies for the hackathon are located on the IETF 98 Meeting Wiki: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/98hackathon Don’t see anything that interests you? Feel free to add your preferred technology to the list, sign up as its Champion and show up to work on it. 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