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Subject: Re: [Roll] [6tisch] Support of flow label to carry the RPL information in data packets
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On 18/04/2014 02:27, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Dear all;
>=20
> Considering the support we have at 6TiSCH and ROLL for the work, I publ=
ished draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-00.txt to the 6MAN WG.
> The main discussion is probably to confirm whether our proposed use of =
the flow label inside the RPL domain is compatible with the goals that ar=
e achieved by RFC6437. Let us continue the discussion there from now on.

The proposal really does three things:

1. Asserts (implicitly) that a ROLL domain is really, truly, absolutely
separated from the Internet at layer 3 except for traffic through its
root node (acting as a border router).

I think that needs to be stated very explicitly as a fundamental
requirement for this spec to be acceptable.

2. It recommends that the root rewrites the flow label on
outbound packets according to the provisions in RFC 6437.
The slight deviation from RFC 6437 purism there is that it
treats the existing flow label on the packets as if it was zero.

3. It requires that the root rewrites the flow label
on inbound packets even if they are already set to non-zero.
That is indeed a violation of RFC 6437. But it is a violation
we have already accepted in another case: "for compelling operational
security reasons". What's lost? The ability for nodes
inside the ROLL domain to perform flow-label based load balancing
for such inbound packets. I think it's for ROLL and 6TISCH
to say whether that loss matters.

In my opinion, we shouldn't be religious about this as long
as point 1 is guaranteed. I don't see any risks to the generic
use of the flow label.

I think the language around the relationship with RFC 6437
is a bit defensive at the moment and could probably be a bit
simpler and clearer. ("The following exceptions to the rules
in [RFC6437] are made:..."). I'd have a preference for doing that
without a formal update to 6437, because it's only RPL implementors
who need to change anything.

    Brian

> Cheers,
>=20
> Pascal
>=20
> From: xvilajosana@gmail.com [mailto:xvilajosana@gmail.com] On Behalf Of=
 Xavier Vilajosana
> Sent: jeudi 17 avril 2014 10:00
> To: Ines Robles
> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); 6tisch@ietf.org; roll
> Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Roll] Support of flow label to carry the RPL inf=
ormation in data packets
>=20
> +1 I think this is more than needed. In addition RFC 6282 defines how h=
eader compression needs to be handled together with extension headers. I =
think this is not clear and leads to confusions (afecting already some wi=
reshark dissectors). The use of flow label will solve several problems at=
 once.
>=20
> X.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 2014-04-16 22:44 GMT+02:00 Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com<=
mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>>:
> +1
>=20
> Ines
>=20
> 2014-04-15 21:19 GMT-03:00 Qin Wang <qinwang6top@yahoo.com<mailto:qinwa=
ng6top@yahoo.com>>:
> +1
>=20
> Qin
> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:47 AM, Prof. Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovn=
e@mail.udp.cl<mailto:diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl>> wrote:
> +1 !
>=20
> 2014-04-15 12:25 GMT-03:00 Tom Phinney <tom.phinney@cox.net<mailto:tom.=
phinney@cox.net>>:
> +1 for sure. The flow label has always been the preferable method for m=
e, and I suspect for others with knowledge of how it is used in ISA100.11=
a.
> =3D=3D=3D
>=20
> On 2014.04.15 07<tel:2014.04.15%2007>:25, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wro=
te:
> Dear all:
>=20
> As some of you remember, the RPL specification has changed over time WR=
T to the location of the information that RPL places in the data packets.=
 We started with the flow label but these were the days when what became =
RFC 6437 was being defined at 6MAN, so we shied away and defined the HbH =
technique that is now specified as RFC 6553.
>=20
> We=E2=80=99ll note that the RPL option defined in RFC 6553 takes 6 octe=
ts, and with the HbH hdr we end up with 8 extra octets. An extra IP-in-IP=
 encapsulation is required on top of that unless both endpoints are in th=
e same RPL domain. All this overhead may be acceptable when power is avai=
lable and the PHY allows for larger frames, but in traditional battery-op=
erated 15.4 with ~ 80 bytes usable per frame, my experience from integrat=
ing 6LoWPAN HC with ISA100.11a says that all these extra bytes will be on=
 the way of the 6TiSCH adoption.
>=20
> Still, both RFC 6550 and RFC 6552 are designed to allow for an alternat=
e technique and in particular for the use of the flow label, as is elabor=
ated in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-flow-label-02 . Usi=
ng the flow label reduces the cost of the RPL information dramatically, d=
own to a level that is probably acceptable for the target SDOs.
>=20
> So my plan for now is to move the flow label draft to 6MAN and prepare =
for a hot season, and I=E2=80=99m looking for support from both 6TiSCH an=
d ROLL to back me up from the start.  Yes, you can help!
>=20
> Please +1 if you agree we need this work to happen, and/or provide any =
suggestion.
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Pascal
>=20
>=20
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Dear All;

Over the past 8 years ISA100 has been involved with wireless industrial =
networks using battery operated wireless modules that must last at least =
10 years on a single battery.  Since these applications are typically =
low data rate (50 - 250 kb/s), and TDMA for low energy usage, these =
industrial networks use the IEEE 802.15.4 MAC/PHY standard.  Since =
industrial environments contain significant interference, using shorter =
packet durations significantly increase the likelihood of a successful =
message receipt, dramatically reducing retries which consume energy and =
reduce network throughput.
=20
ISA100 worked with the IETF to allow ISA's first wireless standard, =
ISA100.11a that is now shipping, to use IPv6 with the 6LoWPAN header =
compression (RFC6282) at the network layer with a string critical =
requirement to keep the frame size minimal so as to stay under the 127 =
bytes limit as per the 802.15.4.  ISA100 would now like to consider a =
wireless industrial standard using the full 6TiSCH suite and in =
particular RPL (RFC 6550) and the backbone router technology; however =
using the RPL option in a Hop-by-Hop header as proposed in RFC6553 would =
add an additional 8 bytes to the packet.  Regretfully, this additional =
overhead can't be tolerated since it would result in security =
configuration packets (and others) being larger than the 127 byte limit.=20=

=20
As a co-chair of ISA100 as well as the editor of ISA100.11a-2011, I =
would ask the IETF 6man to seriously consider adopting =
draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl that combines optimally with =
RFC6282 for a minima overhead in the compressed packet.=20

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, TG chair
ISA100.11a WG chair
O: +1.847.960.3715
pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com


On Apr 17, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) =
<pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear all;
=20
Considering the support we have at 6TiSCH and ROLL for the work, I =
published draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-00.txt to the 6MAN WG.
The main discussion is probably to confirm whether our proposed use of =
the flow label inside the RPL domain is compatible with the goals that =
are achieved by RFC6437. Let us continue the discussion there from now =
on.
=20
Cheers,
=20
Pascal
=20
From: xvilajosana@gmail.com [mailto:xvilajosana@gmail.com] On Behalf Of =
Xavier Vilajosana
Sent: jeudi 17 avril 2014 10:00
To: Ines Robles
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); 6tisch@ietf.org; roll
Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Roll] Support of flow label to carry the RPL =
information in data packets
=20
+1 I think this is more than needed. In addition RFC 6282 defines how =
header compression needs to be handled together with extension headers. =
I think this is not clear and leads to confusions (afecting already some =
wireshark dissectors). The use of flow label will solve several problems =
at once.
=20
X.
=20
=20
=20

2014-04-16 22:44 GMT+02:00 Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>:
+1
=20
Ines
=20
2014-04-15 21:19 GMT-03:00 Qin Wang <qinwang6top@yahoo.com>:
+1
=20
Qin
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:47 AM, Prof. Diego Dujovne =
<diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote:
+1 !
=20

2014-04-15 12:25 GMT-03:00 Tom Phinney <tom.phinney@cox.net>:
+1 for sure. The flow label has always been the preferable method for =
me, and I suspect for others with knowledge of how it is used in =
ISA100.11a.
=3D=3D=3D
=20
On 2014.04.15 07:25, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
Dear all:
=20
As some of you remember, the RPL specification has changed over time WRT =
to the location of the information that RPL places in the data packets. =
We started with the flow label but these were the days when what became =
RFC 6437 was being defined at 6MAN, so we shied away and defined the HbH =
technique that is now specified as RFC 6553.
=20
We=92ll note that the RPL option defined in RFC 6553 takes 6 octets, and =
with the HbH hdr we end up with 8 extra octets. An extra IP-in-IP =
encapsulation is required on top of that unless both endpoints are in =
the same RPL domain. All this overhead may be acceptable when power is =
available and the PHY allows for larger frames, but in traditional =
battery-operated 15.4 with ~ 80 bytes usable per frame, my experience =
from integrating 6LoWPAN HC with ISA100.11a says that all these extra =
bytes will be on the way of the 6TiSCH adoption.
=20
Still, both RFC 6550 and RFC 6552 are designed to allow for an alternate =
technique and in particular for the use of the flow label, as is =
elaborated in =
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-flow-label-02 . Using the =
flow label reduces the cost of the RPL information dramatically, down to =
a level that is probably acceptable for the target SDOs.
=20
So my plan for now is to move the flow label draft to 6MAN and prepare =
for a hot season, and I=92m looking for support from both 6TiSCH and =
ROLL to back me up from the start.  Yes, you can help!
=20
Please +1 if you agree we need this work to happen, and/or provide any =
suggestion.
=20
Cheers,
=20
Pascal
=20

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style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Over the =
past 8 years ISA100 has been involved with wireless industrial networks =
using battery operated wireless modules that must last at least 10 years =
on a single battery. &nbsp;Since these applications are typically low =
data rate (50 - 250 kb/s), and TDMA for low energy usage, these =
industrial networks use the IEEE 802.15.4 MAC/PHY standard. &nbsp;Since =
industrial environments contain significant interference, using shorter =
packet durations significantly increase the likelihood of a successful =
message receipt, dramatically reducing retries which consume energy and =
reduce network throughput.</i><br><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
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allow ISA's first wireless standard, ISA100.11a that is now shipping, to =
use IPv6 with the 6LoWPAN header compression (RFC6282) at the network =
layer with a string critical requirement to keep the frame size minimal =
so as to stay under the 127 bytes limit as per the 802.15.4. =
&nbsp;ISA100 would now like to consider a wireless industrial standard =
using the full 6TiSCH suite and in particular RPL (RFC 6550) and the =
backbone router technology; however using the RPL option in a Hop-by-Hop =
header as proposed in RFC6553 would add an additional 8 bytes to the =
packet. &nbsp;Regretfully, this additional overhead can't be tolerated =
since it would result in security configuration packets (and others) =
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ISA100 as well as the editor of ISA100.11a-2011, I would ask the IETF =
6man to seriously consider =
adopting&nbsp;</i>draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl<i>&nbsp;that =
combines optimally with RFC6282 for a minima overhead in the compressed =
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style=3D"font-size: 12px; "><div><br></div><div>Pat =
Kinney</div><div><b><i>Kinney Consulting LLC</i></b></div><div>IEEE =
802.15 WG vice chair, TG chair</div><div>ISA100.11a WG =
chair</div><div>O: +1.847.960.3715</div><div><a =
href=3D"mailto:pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" =
style=3D"text-decoration: none; =
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2014, at 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &lt;<a =
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">Dear all;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">Considering the support we have at 6TiSCH and ROLL =
for the work, I published draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-00.txt =
to the 6MAN WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">The main discussion is probably to confirm whether =
our proposed use of the flow label inside the RPL domain is compatible =
with the goals that are achieved by
 RFC6437. Let us continue the discussion there from now =
on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
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style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
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style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;"> <a href=3D"mailto:xvilajosana@gmail.com">xvilajosana@gmail.com</a>=
 [<a =
href=3D"mailto:xvilajosana@gmail.com">mailto:xvilajosana@gmail.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Xavier Vilajosana<br>
<b>Sent:</b> jeudi 17 avril 2014 10:00<br>
<b>To:</b> Ines Robles<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pascal Thubert (pthubert); <a =
href=3D"mailto:6tisch@ietf.org">6tisch@ietf.org</a>; roll<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6tisch] [Roll] Support of flow label to carry the =
RPL information in data packets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">+1 I think this is more than needed. In =
addition RFC 6282 defines how header compression needs to be handled =
together with extension headers. I think this is not clear and leads to =
confusions (afecting already some wireshark dissectors).
 The use of flow label will solve several problems at =
once.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">X.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2014-04-16 22:44 GMT+02:00 Ines Robles =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">mariainesrobles@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">+1<o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ines<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2014-04-15 21:19 GMT-03:00 Qin Wang &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:qinwang6top@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank">qinwang6top@yahoo.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;">+1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&quot;;color:#888888">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:#888888">Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">On =
Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:47 AM, Prof. Diego Dujovne &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl" =
target=3D"_blank">diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">+1 =
!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
/span></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">2014-04=
-15 12:25 GMT-03:00 Tom Phinney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom.phinney@cox.net"=
 target=3D"_blank">tom.phinney@cox.net</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">+1 =
for sure. The flow label has always been the preferable method for me, =
and I suspect for others with knowledge of how it is used in =
ISA100.11a.<br>
=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
/span></p>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">On <a =
href=3D"tel:2014.04.15%2007" target=3D"_blank">
2014.04.15 07</a>:25, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear =
all:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">As =
some of you remember, the RPL specification has changed over time WRT to =
the location of the information that RPL places in the data packets. We =
started with the flow label but these
 were the days when what became RFC 6437 was being defined at 6MAN, so =
we shied away and defined the HbH technique that is now specified as RFC =
6553.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">We=92ll=
 note that the RPL option defined in RFC 6553 takes 6 octets, and with =
the HbH hdr we end up with 8 extra octets. An extra IP-in-IP =
encapsulation is required on top of that unless
 both endpoints are in the same RPL domain. All this overhead may be =
acceptable when power is available and the PHY allows for larger frames, =
but in traditional battery-operated 15.4 with ~ 80 bytes usable per =
frame, my experience from integrating 6LoWPAN HC
 with ISA100.11a says that all these extra bytes will be on the way of =
the 6TiSCH adoption.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Still, =
both RFC 6550 and RFC 6552 are designed to allow for an alternate =
technique and in particular for the use of the flow label, as is =
elaborated in
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-flow-label-02" =
target=3D"_blank">
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-flow-label-02</a> . Using =
the flow label reduces the cost of the RPL information dramatically, =
down to a level that is probably acceptable for the target =
SDOs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">So my =
plan for now is to move the flow label draft to 6MAN and prepare for a =
hot season, and I=92m looking for support from both 6TiSCH and ROLL to =
back me up from the start. &nbsp;Yes, you can
 help! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Please =
+1 if you agree we need this work to happen, and/or provide any =
suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Cheers,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Pascal<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&nbsp;<=
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><br>
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Telecomunicaciones<br>
Facultad de Ingenier=EDa UDP<br>
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I wrote this a few weeks ago.
  please see:
  https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/QDrRuBQf1BBHvdskLi5PxUyqh38

I am still looking for someone to help me with three paragraphs for
the applicability statements.  I need help here because it is sometimes hard
to explain something that ones knows too well.


Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
    > The summary is that we simply have not been explicit enough about the
    > relationship between documents, and we need to insert some text into
    > each document explaining it's relationship to other documents.

    > I'm looking for someone to write that text: someone who has a fresh
    > take on this, and will hopefully make explicit the things that I
    > perhaps now regard as obvious.  I did a new slide, number: 27 of
    > http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/89/slides/slides-89-roll-1.pdf


--
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IETF ROLL WG co-chair.    http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/


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Hi Pascal,

Just responding to your question:

On 03/05/2014 04:54, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
...
>> I think the language around the relationship with RFC 6437 is a bit defensive
>> at the moment and could probably be a bit simpler and clearer. ("The
>> following exceptions to the rules in [RFC6437] are made:..."). I'd have a
>> preference for doing that without a formal update to 6437, because it's only
>> RPL implementors who need to change anything.
> 
> [PT] Can I change that text to describe the behavior proposed by the draft inside the RPL domain as the way the rules in 6437 are interpreted?

Well, I don't think personally that you need to be shy about saying
that within an RPL domain, the rules are in fact slightly changed instead
of being interpreted. The main thing is to be completely clear.

    Brian


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see inline. (no hat. Sorry for 6 week delay in answering)

Peter wrote:
> Thanks for the security threats draft. It certainly provides a large part
> of the text needed in the applicability drafts. However, I am not sure I
> interpreted the text according to your intentions.

> Looking at section 7 in more detail, I tried to establish where the
> applicability draft can be complementary to the text of the security
> draft.

It's a good question.  Not being the author of the original document, I've
tried to make minimal changes to the structure, but perhaps this is no longer
sufficient, and we need to restructure this section...  I admit to being a
bit at my whit's end on this document.

> From section 7.1 I understand that key length, encryption algorithm and key
> life time need to be specified. Unfortunately, much of this is still in
> progress and can change with DICE and ACE recommendations.

I'm not I understand how DICE and ACE relate.
We are primarily talking about security for *RPL*, not for application traffic.

> Complementing section 7.2, link-layer security will probably be used today,
> but in 2 years time?

I can't speculate at what point layer-2 security will prove inadequate for
securing RPL.  I think that it will be sufficient in industrial, metering and
building control systems.  Home control systems are another story in my
opinion.  The biggest risk to only layer-2 security is device compromise.
A monoculture combined with systematic IE6 or Heartbleed-type bugs would be
the biggest risk, I should think.

> Complementing section 7.3. Do I understand that using multiple paths for
> reliability reasons should be mentioned as increasing routing security?

Yes, but we presently have no mechanisms for multi-path.

> Complementing section 7.4. Writing down choices, as already provided by the
> threats draft, will be more realistic than writing down recommendations.

Please, can you explain, ideally in text for the document, what you mean here?

> Complementing section 7.5. Is this the place one should write down physical
> access constraints or recommend to provide filtering edge routers at the
> border of the system?

Yes, I guess that would also belong.

> In conclusion, I am very happy with the threats document and its
> recommendations, but I see little opportunity to improve on it in the
> applicability draft.

I couldn't parse this quite right.
Are you saying you see some small opportunities for improvement, or
are you saying that there are no places for improvement?

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Hello 6man WG,

We would like to have, please, your review of this draft [
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy/]

Thank you very much in advance,

Michael & Ines.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl>
Date: 2014-04-09 4:26 GMT-03:00
Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy-00.txt
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In this new draft the following points have been changed:
- terminology and description text have been improved.
- The concept of a MPL4 router is introduced which automatically finds all
interfaces belonging to the zone in which MPL scope 4 messages are
distributed.

Looking forward to your reactions,

Peter


internet-drafts@ietf.org schreef op 2014-04-08 14:02:

 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>  This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy
> networks Working Group of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : MPL forwarder policy for multicast with
> admin-local scope
>         Authors         : Peter van der Stok
>                           Robert Cragie
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy-00.txt
>         Pages           : 11
>         Date            : 2014-04-08
>
> Abstract:
>    The purpose of this document is to specify an automated policy for
>    the routing of MPL multicast messages with admin-local scope in a
>    border router.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy-00
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello 6man WG,<div><br></div><div>We would like to have, p=
lease, your review of this draft [<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/d=
oc/draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatrack=
er.ietf.org/<u></u>doc/draft-ietf-roll-admin-<u></u>local-policy/</a>]</div=
>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you very much in advance,</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Michael &amp; Ines.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">---------- Forwarde=
d message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">peter van der S=
tok</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl">stokcon=
s@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span><br>
Date: 2014-04-09 4:26 GMT-03:00<br>Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ie=
tf-roll-admin-local-policy-00.txt<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org">r=
oll@ietf.org</a><br><br><br>In this new draft the following points have bee=
n changed:<br>

- terminology and description text have been improved.<br>
- The concept of a MPL4 router is introduced which automatically finds all =
interfaces belonging to the zone in which MPL scope 4 messages are distribu=
ted.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your reactions,<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-draf=
ts@ietf.org</a> schreef op 2014-04-08 14:02:<div class=3D""><div class=3D"h=
5"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy<br>
networks Working Group of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : MPL =
forwarder policy for multicast with<br>
admin-local scope<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Peter van=
 der Stok<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Robert Cragie<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: draft-iet=
f-roll-admin-local-<u></u>policy-00.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 11<b=
r>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 2014-04-08<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The purpose of this document is to specify an automated policy=
 for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the routing of MPL multicast messages with admin-local scope i=
n a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0border router.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-pol=
icy/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<u></u>doc/draft-ietf-=
roll-admin-<u></u>local-policy/</a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-admin-local-policy-00=
" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/<u></u>draft-ietf-roll-admin=
-local-<u></u>policy-00</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
n<br>
until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=3D"http://tool=
s.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp=
.ietf.org/internet-<u></u>drafts/</a><br>
<br>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
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Hello,

We would like to know please, which drafts desire be presented in the Next
Meeting: IETF 90, July 20-25, 2014

Due to the limited duration of the meeting (1 hour more or less), we
require please the slides in advance, to decide if the drafts will be
presented or not. Please, we require the slides before 06/06/2014.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : ROLL Applicability Statement Template
        Author          : Michael C. Richardson
	Filename        : draft-ietf-roll-applicability-template-05.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2014-05-08

Abstract:
   This document is a template applicability statement for the Routing
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#151: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats - Add further clarification/information -
Section 1-4

Changes (by mcr@sandelman.ca):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 removed section 3.4.

 Changed introduction:
       <t>All of this document concerns itself with securing the control
 plane
       traffic. As such it does not address authorization or authentication
 of
       application traffic.  RPL uses multicast as part of it's protocol,
 and
       therefore mechanisms which RPL uses to secure this traffic MAY be
 applicable
       to MPL control traffic as well:  the important part is that the
 threats
       are similiar.</t>

 edited to make references in 3.3 clearer and that the text that follows is
 a summary.
 Changes to appear in -07.

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#155: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats - LLN Device Security Model

Changes (by mcr@sandelman.ca):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 Removed that section: I agree, it provides little in the way of
 information at this point.

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#156: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06 - RPL control message are broadcast


Comment (by mcr@sandelman.ca):

 A layer-2 symmetric key that has been shared between more than two nodes
 can not be used to
 provide data origin authentication.  That's the problem with
 broadcast/multicast messages and
 layer-2 keying.
 It works fine if you have complete trust in all of the nodes that have the
 layer-2 key.
 If you haven't got complete trust in all the nodes, then an asymmetric
 (layer-3) key needs to sign the broadcast messages.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Applicability Statement: The use of the RPL protocol set in Home Automation and Building Control
        Authors         : Anders Brandt
                          Emmanuel Baccelli
                          Robert Cragie
                          Peter van der Stok
	Filename        : draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building-03.txt
	Pages           : 26
	Date            : 2014-05-12

Abstract:
   The purpose of this document is to provide guidance in the selection
   and use of RPL protocols to implement the features required for
   control in building and home environments.


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We have submitted a new version of applicability for home an building.

In this version the last security tickets have been resolved.
Other changes with respect to version 2 are:

- Changed security section to follow the structure of security threats 
draft.
- Added text to DODAG repair sub-section
- added section 1.1 as suggested in new template

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Title:		Applicability Statement: The use of the RPL protocol set in Home 
Automation and Building Control
Document date:	2014-05-12
Group:		roll
Pages:		26
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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
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Thread-Topic: [6tisch] [Roll] Support of flow label to carry the RPL information in data packets
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This applies to many documents, including some of mine:

internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
    > Title           : Applicability Statement: The use of the RPL protocol
    > set in Home Automation and Building Control

May I suggest that since the P in "RPL" is "Protocol", that you change this
to:
        "The use of RPL in Home Automation and Building Control"

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On 13/05/2014 01:32, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Hi Brian:
>=20
> Thanks a bunch for your review and support:
>=20
> To address your issues, what would you think about:

Yes, IMHO it's clear and allows for a clear decision.

Thanks
    Brian

>=20
> "=20
>=20
> 1.1.  Applicability
>=20
>    This specification applies to a RPL [RFC6282] domain that forms a
>    stub LLN and is connected to the Internet by and only by its RPL
>    root(s), which act(s) as Border Router(s) for the LLN. With RPL, a
>    root is the bottleneck for all the traffic between the Internet and
>    the Destination-Oriented Directed Acyclic Graph (DODAG) that it
>    serves.
>=20
>    In that context, the specification entitles a RPL root to rewrite th=
e
>    IPv6  [RFC2460] Flow Label of all packets entering or leaving the RP=
L
>    domain in both directions, from and towards the Internet, regardless=

>    of the original setting.  This may seem contradictory with the IPv6
>    Flow Label Specification  [RFC6437] which stipulates that once it is=

>    set, the Flow Label is left unchanged; but the RFC also indicates a
>    violation to the rule can be accepted for compelling reasons, and
>    that security is a case justifying such a violation.
>=20
>    This specification suggests that energy-saving, which is the crux of=

>    most LLN applications, is another compelling reason for a violation
>    to the aforementioned rule, and that the violation is acceptable as
>    long as 1) it is contained within the RPL domain and 2) the IPv6 Flo=
w
>    Label is rewritten in a manner that conforms the prescriptions of
>    [RFC6437].
>=20
> "
>=20
> I'm adding some more text to address your points 2 and 3, but it seems =
to me that the above is what addresses the core of your suggestion.
> Does that seem OK?
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Pascal
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
>> Sent: vendredi 2 mai 2014 01:52
>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>> Cc: 6man@ietf.org; 6tisch@ietf.org; roll; Xavier Vilajosana; Ines Robl=
es
>> Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Roll] Support of flow label to carry the RPL in=
formation
>> in data packets
>>
>> On 18/04/2014 02:27, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>>> Dear all;
>>>
>>> Considering the support we have at 6TiSCH and ROLL for the work, I
>> published draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-00.txt to the 6MAN WG.=

>>> The main discussion is probably to confirm whether our proposed use o=
f
>> the flow label inside the RPL domain is compatible with the goals that=
 are
>> achieved by RFC6437. Let us continue the discussion there from now on.=

>>
>> The proposal really does three things:
>>
>> 1. Asserts (implicitly) that a ROLL domain is really, truly, absolutel=
y separated
>> from the Internet at layer 3 except for traffic through its root node =
(acting as
>> a border router).
>>
>> I think that needs to be stated very explicitly as a fundamental requi=
rement
>> for this spec to be acceptable.
>>
>> 2. It recommends that the root rewrites the flow label on outbound pac=
kets
>> according to the provisions in RFC 6437.
>> The slight deviation from RFC 6437 purism there is that it treats the =
existing
>> flow label on the packets as if it was zero.
>>
>> 3. It requires that the root rewrites the flow label on inbound packet=
s even if
>> they are already set to non-zero.
>> That is indeed a violation of RFC 6437. But it is a violation we have =
already
>> accepted in another case: "for compelling operational security reasons=
".
>> What's lost? The ability for nodes inside the ROLL domain to perform f=
low-
>> label based load balancing for such inbound packets. I think it's for =
ROLL and
>> 6TISCH to say whether that loss matters.
>>
>> In my opinion, we shouldn't be religious about this as long as point 1=
 is
>> guaranteed. I don't see any risks to the generic use of the flow label=
=2E
>>
>> I think the language around the relationship with RFC 6437 is a bit de=
fensive
>> at the moment and could probably be a bit simpler and clearer. ("The
>> following exceptions to the rules in [RFC6437] are made:..."). I'd hav=
e a
>> preference for doing that without a formal update to 6437, because it'=
s only
>> RPL implementors who need to change anything.
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> From: xvilajosana@gmail.com [mailto:xvilajosana@gmail.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Xavier Vilajosana
>>> Sent: jeudi 17 avril 2014 10:00
>>> To: Ines Robles
>>> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); 6tisch@ietf.org; roll
>>> Subject: Re: [6tisch] [Roll] Support of flow label to carry the RPL
>>> information in data packets
>>>
>>> +1 I think this is more than needed. In addition RFC 6282 defines how=

>> header compression needs to be handled together with extension headers=
=2E I
>> think this is not clear and leads to confusions (afecting already some=

>> wireshark dissectors). The use of flow label will solve several proble=
ms at
>> once.
>>> X.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-04-16 22:44 GMT+02:00 Ines Robles
>> <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com<mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com
>>>> :
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Ines
>>>
>>> 2014-04-15 21:19 GMT-03:00 Qin Wang
>> <qinwang6top@yahoo.com<mailto:qinwang6top@yahoo.com>>:
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Qin
>>> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:47 AM, Prof. Diego Dujovne
>> <diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl<mailto:diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl>> wrote:
>>> +1 !
>>>
>>> 2014-04-15 12:25 GMT-03:00 Tom Phinney
>> <tom.phinney@cox.net<mailto:tom.phinney@cox.net>>:
>>> +1 for sure. The flow label has always been the preferable method for=
 me,
>> and I suspect for others with knowledge of how it is used in ISA100.11=
a.
>>> =3D=3D=3D
>>>
>>> On 2014.04.15 07<tel:2014.04.15%2007>:25, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>> wrote:
>>> Dear all:
>>>
>>> As some of you remember, the RPL specification has changed over time
>> WRT to the location of the information that RPL places in the data pac=
kets.
>> We started with the flow label but these were the days when what becam=
e
>> RFC 6437 was being defined at 6MAN, so we shied away and defined the
>> HbH technique that is now specified as RFC 6553.
>>> We=E2=80=99ll note that the RPL option defined in RFC 6553 takes 6 oc=
tets, and with
>> the HbH hdr we end up with 8 extra octets. An extra IP-in-IP encapsula=
tion is
>> required on top of that unless both endpoints are in the same RPL doma=
in.
>> All this overhead may be acceptable when power is available and the PH=
Y
>> allows for larger frames, but in traditional battery-operated 15.4 wit=
h ~ 80
>> bytes usable per frame, my experience from integrating 6LoWPAN HC with=

>> ISA100.11a says that all these extra bytes will be on the way of the 6=
TiSCH
>> adoption.
>>> Still, both RFC 6550 and RFC 6552 are designed to allow for an altern=
ate
>> technique and in particular for the use of the flow label, as is elabo=
rated in
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-flow-label-02 . Using th=
e flow
>> label reduces the cost of the RPL information dramatically, down to a =
level
>> that is probably acceptable for the target SDOs.
>>> So my plan for now is to move the flow label draft to 6MAN and prepar=
e
>> for a hot season, and I=E2=80=99m looking for support from both 6TiSCH=
 and ROLL to
>> back me up from the start.  Yes, you can help!
>>> Please +1 if you agree we need this work to happen, and/or provide an=
y
>> suggestion.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP
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The term "RPL protocol set" is used because MPL is also discussed.
When MPL is understood to be part of RPL, a title change is possible.

Peter

Michael Richardson schreef op 2014-05-12 21:53:
> This applies to many documents, including some of mine:
> 
> internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>     > Title           : Applicability Statement: The use of the RPL 
> protocol
>     > set in Home Automation and Building Control
> 
> May I suggest that since the P in "RPL" is "Protocol", that you change 
> this
> to:
>         "The use of RPL in Home Automation and Building Control"
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On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:52 AM, peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl>wrote:

> The term "RPL protocol set" is used because MPL is also discussed.
> When MPL is understood to be part of RPL, a title change is possible.
>
> Peter,

While RPL and MPL both make use of the Trickle Algorithm [RFC 6206], I do
not
feel the two protocols are related.  That is to say, MPL does not depend on
RPL.
Therefore, there should never come a time when "MPL is understood to be part
of RPL".  I think Michael's suggestion is valid.

Regards, -K-

Peter
>
> Michael Richardson schreef op 2014-05-12 21:53:
>
>> This applies to many documents, including some of mine:
>>
>> internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>     > Title           : Applicability Statement: The use of the RPL
>> protocol
>>     > set in Home Automation and Building Control
>>
>> May I suggest that since the P in "RPL" is "Protocol", that you change
>> this
>> to:
>>         "The use of RPL in Home Automation and Building Control"
>>
>> --
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>> IETF ROLL WG co-chair.    http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/
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ef=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl" target=3D"_blank">stokcons@xs4all.nl</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The term &quot;RPL protocol set&quot; is use=
d because MPL is also discussed.<br>
When MPL is understood to be part of RPL, a title change is possible.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Peter,</div><div><br></div><div>While RPL and MPL bot=
h make use of the Trickle Algorithm [RFC 6206], I do not</div><div>feel the=
 two protocols are related. =C2=A0That is to say, MPL does not depend on RP=
L.</div>
<div>Therefore, there should never come a time when &quot;MPL is understood=
 to be part</div><div>of RPL&quot;. =C2=A0I think Michael&#39;s suggestion =
is valid.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards, -K-<br><br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">

Peter<br>
<br>
Michael Richardson schreef op 2014-05-12 21:53:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">
This applies to many documents, including some of mine:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-draf=
ts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Applicability=
 Statement: The use of the RPL protocol<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &gt; set in Home Automation and Building Control<br>
<br>
May I suggest that since the P in &quot;RPL&quot; is &quot;Protocol&quot;, =
that you change this<br>
to:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;The use of RPL in Home Automation and Bui=
lding Control&quot;<br>
<br>
--<br>
Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcr%2BIETF@sandelman.ca" target=3D=
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IETF ROLL WG co-chair. =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/=
wg/roll/charter/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/<u></u>wg/r=
oll/charter/</a><br>
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#154: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats - Add further clarification/information -
Section 7

Changes (by mcr@sandelman.ca):

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 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 Upon advice from van der Stok, I've removed section 7 entirely.

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#152: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats - Add further clarification/information -
Section 5

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 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 I've made a number of changes to tighten up the text, and provided a link
 to the 2002 Sybil paper.
 As for sinkhole vs blackhole, I agree that they might better terms.  The
 terms chosen are from Karlof2003. I found the link, and added it.  Sink
 holes do not necessarily drop traffic.

 http://nest.cs.berkeley.edu/papers/sensor-route-security.pdf

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On 13/05/2014 21:26, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Dear all:
> 
> This new version addresses Brian's concerns, in particular the language that relates this proposal with the Flow Label Specification (RFC 6437).
> It is made clearer that this is a deviation such as already tolerated for security reasons, and that the compelling reason is energy saving.
> The proposal only impacts the use of the flow label inside the LLN and does not result in a deterioration of the application of RFC 6437 inside the Internet. 
> The proposal is supported by individuals participating to LLN related groups at the IETF (cc'ed) and external SDOs (ISA100).

I'm happy with the new Applicability section. However, there is an editing
problem with the first sentence of its final paragraph (some words need to
be deleted, I suspect).

> The question is now whether we should complete the work at 6MAN or move back to ROLL.
> 
> What do you think?

IMHO, since this does not formally update a 6man document, I don't think
it's required to be processed by 6man - but a special WGLC in 6man would be
reasonable in any case, to avoid unexpected issues at IETF Last Call.
However, that's only one person's opinion.

Since 6man is not meeting in Toronto, please let us know if the draft
will be discussed elsewhere.

    Brian

> 
> Pascal
> 
> 
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> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-02.txt
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> 
> A new version of I-D, draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-02.txt
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> Name:		draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl
> Revision:	02
> Title:		The IPv6 Flow Label within a RPL domain
> Document date:	2014-05-13
> Group:		Individual Submission
> Pages:		11
> URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-02.txt
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> Abstract:
>    This document present how the Flow Label can be used inside a RPL
>    domain as a replacement to the RPL option and provides rules for the
>    root to set and reset the Flow Label when forwarding between the
>    inside of RPL domain and the larger Internet, in both direction.
>    This new operation saves 44 bits in each frame, and an eventual IP-
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Hi,

Please find below the open topics of this draft.

Thanks and Regards,

Michael & Ines.

2014-03-14 1:23 GMT+02:00 Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp>:

> Hi,
>
> The MPL configuration option draft is renamed. Thanks to chairs and the
> discussions on and off the list.
>
> Also, I'll ask some reviews on this draft to DHC folks.
> Any comments are welcome. Typical open topics are:
>
> 1) Effect of inconsistent parameter set among nodes
>    (transitional state / update failure)
> 2) Add/Remove of new MPL domain
> 3) Format to encode timers  (-> DHC wg)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yusuke
>
>
> (2014-03-13 23:39), internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>   This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy
>> networks Working Group of the IETF.
>>
>>          Title           : MPL Parameter Configuration Option for DHCPv6
>>          Authors         : Yusuke Doi
>>                            Matthew Gillmore
>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-roll-mpl-parameter-
>> configuration-00.txt
>>         Pages           : 9
>>         Date            : 2014-03-13
>>
>> Abstract:
>>     This draft defines a way to configure MPL parameter set via DHCPv6
>>     option.  MPL has a set of parameters to control its behavior, and the
>>     parameter set is often configured as a network-wide parameter because
>>     the parameter set should be identical for each MPL forwarder in an
>>     MPL domain.  Using the MPL Parameter Configuration Option defined in
>>     this document, a network can be configured with a single set of MPL
>>     parameter easily.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-mpl-
>> parameter-configuration/
>>
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-mpl-parameter-configuration-00
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Please find below the open topics o=
f this draft.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and Regards,</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Michael &amp; Ines.</div><div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
2014-03-14 1:23 GMT+02:00 Yusuke DOI <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp" target=3D"_blank">yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp</a>&=
gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
The MPL configuration option draft is renamed. Thanks to chairs and the dis=
cussions on and off the list.<br>
<br>
Also, I&#39;ll ask some reviews on this draft to DHC folks.<br>
Any comments are welcome. Typical open topics are:<br>
<br>
1) Effect of inconsistent parameter set among nodes<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(transitional state / update failure)<br>
2) Add/Remove of new MPL domain<br>
3) Format to encode timers =C2=A0(-&gt; DHC wg)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Yusuke<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
(2014-03-13 23:39), <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
=C2=A0 This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy ne=
tworks Working Group of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
: MPL Parameter Configuration Option for DHCPv6<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Yus=
uke Doi<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Matthew Gillmore<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: draft-iet=
f-roll-mpl-parameter-<u></u>configuration-00.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 9<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 2014-03-13<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This draft defines a way to configure MPL parameter set via D=
HCPv6<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 option. =C2=A0MPL has a set of parameters to control its beha=
vior, and the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 parameter set is often configured as a network-wide parameter=
 because<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the parameter set should be identical for each MPL forwarder =
in an<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPL domain. =C2=A0Using the MPL Parameter Configuration Optio=
n defined in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this document, a network can be configured with a single set =
of MPL<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 parameter easily.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-mpl-parameter-c=
onfiguration/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<u></u>doc/dr=
aft-ietf-roll-mpl-<u></u>parameter-configuration/</a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-mpl-parameter-configu=
ration-00" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/<u></u>draft-ietf-r=
oll-mpl-parameter-<u></u>configuration-00</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
n<br>
until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=3D"http://tool=
s.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp=
.ietf.org/internet-<u></u>drafts/</a><br>
<br>
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As you can see from:
   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast/history/

this document has been with our Area Director, Adrian for some weeks.
The authors resolved all of the issues that were publically brought up during
the WG LC and IETF LC last fall and winter.   There are some snafus at the
Area Director level which Adrian has assured me will get resolved soon.

I just wanted to let everyone know that they have not been forgotten.

.. Ines and Michael.

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#154: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats - Add further clarification/information -
Section 7

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 * status:  closed => reopened
 * resolution:  fixed =>


Comment:

 This was a mis-understanding, section 7 may return.

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#157: mpl-parameter-configuration-00 - Effect of inconsistent parameter set among
nodes

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 From: Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi at toshiba.co.jp>
 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:23:26 +0900

 "Typical open topics are:

 1) Effect of inconsistent parameter set among nodes
    (transitional state / update failure)"

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#158: mpl-parameter-configuration-00 - new MPL domain

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 "Typical open topics are:

 2) Add/Remove of new MPL domain"

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#159: mpl-parameter-configuration-00 - Format to encode timers

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 "Typical open topics are:

 3) Format to encode timers  (-> DHC wg)"

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Hi,

FYI,

Source: [http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/tutorials/yang-session.html]

"IETF 90 - Tutorials


*Toronto, ON, CanadaJuly 20 - 25, 2014*
YANG Advice and Editing Session

*Presented by:* Benoit Claise

*Day:* Sunday, July 20, 2014
*Time:* 14:00-18:00
*Room:* TBD

*Description:* At the IETF and in the industry in general, we observe a
growing interest for configuration management with YANG modules. On Sunday
afternoon, the YANG doctors will be available to provide advice on your
YANG models. This session is not a tutorial on how to design YANG models
and use
NETCONF, but a place to get feedback on your data modeling questions,
language usage questions, tools to use, etc...

An introduction on the pyang tool for YANG module validation will be
provided. Please come up with your existing YANG modules for this "free
YANG consulting" session.

Advanced participation notice is welcomed."


Regards,

Michael and Ines.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>FYI,</div><div><br></div><div>Sourc=
e: [<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/tutorials/yang-session.html">=
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/tutorials/yang-session.html</a>]</div><div><=
br>
</div><div><p class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:19px;font-weight:bold;color:rgb=
(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">&quot;IETF 90 - Tut=
orials</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<strong>Toronto, ON, Canada<br>July 20 - 25, 2014</strong></p><h3 style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">YANG Advic=
e and Editing Session</h3><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,=
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<strong>Presented by:</strong>=C2=A0Benoit Claise</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(=
0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><stro=
ng>Day:</strong>=C2=A0Sunday, July 20, 2014<br><strong>Time:</strong>=C2=A0=
14:00-18:00<br>
<strong>Room:</strong>=C2=A0TBD</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family=
:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><strong>Description:</s=
trong>=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(255,25=
5,255,0.921569)">At the IETF and in the industry in general, we observe a g=
rowing interest for configuration management with YANG modules. On Sunday a=
fternoon, the YANG doctors will be available to provide=C2=A0advice on your=
 YANG models. This session is not a tutorial on how to design YANG models a=
nd use<br>
NETCONF, but a place to get feedback on your data modeling questions, langu=
age usage questions, tools to use, etc...<br></span></p><p style=3D"color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.9215=
69)">An introduction on the pyang tool for YANG module validation will be p=
rovided. Please come up with your existing YANG modules for this &quot;free=
 YANG consulting&quot; session.<br>
</span></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-c=
olor:rgba(255,255,255,0.921569)">Advanced participation notice is welcomed.=
&quot;</span></p>
<p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(2=
55,255,255,0.921569)"><br></span></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.9215=
69)">Regards,</span></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Ar=
ial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)=
;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.921569)">Michael and Ines.</span></p>
<p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:13px"><br></p></div></div>

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Hi,

Also, related with data model in 6lo [
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lo/current/msg00461.html].

Thanks,

2014-05-18 1:38 GMT+03:00 Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> FYI,
>
> Source: [http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/tutorials/yang-session.html]
>
> "IETF 90 - Tutorials
>
>
> *Toronto, ON, CanadaJuly 20 - 25, 2014*
> YANG Advice and Editing Session
>
> *Presented by:* Benoit Claise
>
> *Day:* Sunday, July 20, 2014
> *Time:* 14:00-18:00
> *Room:* TBD
>
> *Description:* At the IETF and in the industry in general, we observe a
> growing interest for configuration management with YANG modules. On Sunday
> afternoon, the YANG doctors will be available to provide advice on your
> YANG models. This session is not a tutorial on how to design YANG models
> and use
> NETCONF, but a place to get feedback on your data modeling questions,
> language usage questions, tools to use, etc...
>
> An introduction on the pyang tool for YANG module validation will be
> provided. Please come up with your existing YANG modules for this "free
> YANG consulting" session.
>
> Advanced participation notice is welcomed."
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael and Ines.
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Also, related with data model in 6l=
o [<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lo/current/msg00461.htm=
l">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lo/current/msg00461.html</a>].</di=
v>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-18 1:38 GMT+03:00 Ines  Robles <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">mari=
ainesrobles@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>FYI,=
</div><div><br></div><div>Source: [<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/meeting/9=
0/tutorials/yang-session.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/meetin=
g/90/tutorials/yang-session.html</a>]</div>
<div><br>
</div><div><p style=3D"font-size:19px;font-weight:bold;color:rgb(0,0,0);fon=
t-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">&quot;IETF 90 - Tutorials</p><=
p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:13px">

<strong>Toronto, ON, Canada<br>July 20 - 25, 2014</strong></p><h3 style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">YANG Advic=
e and Editing Session</h3><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,=
Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<strong>Presented by:</strong>=C2=A0Benoit Claise</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(=
0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><stro=
ng>Day:</strong>=C2=A0Sunday, July 20, 2014<br><strong>Time:</strong>=C2=A0=
14:00-18:00<br>

<strong>Room:</strong>=C2=A0TBD</p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family=
:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><strong>Description:</s=
trong>=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(255,25=
5,255,0.921569)">At the IETF and in the industry in general, we observe a g=
rowing interest for configuration management with YANG modules. On Sunday a=
fternoon, the YANG doctors will be available to provide=C2=A0advice on your=
 YANG models. This session is not a tutorial on how to design YANG models a=
nd use<br>

NETCONF, but a place to get feedback on your data modeling questions, langu=
age usage questions, tools to use, etc...<br></span></p><p style=3D"color:r=
gb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.9215=
69)">An introduction on the pyang tool for YANG module validation will be p=
rovided. Please come up with your existing YANG modules for this &quot;free=
 YANG consulting&quot; session.<br>

</span></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-c=
olor:rgba(255,255,255,0.921569)">Advanced participation notice is welcomed.=
&quot;</span></p>

<p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(2=
55,255,255,0.921569)"><br></span></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fami=
ly:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">

<span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.9215=
69)">Regards,</span></p><p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Ar=
ial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)=
;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.921569)">Michael and Ines.</span></p>

<p style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:13px"><br></p></div></div>
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Hi,

Please find a comparison between  draft-ietf-roll-applicability-template and
the applicability drafts (home-building and AMI Networks)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YnnfPqqfD7TdZPDIe-eFNWfOSZ8RIMeIWGT_aU_kWOk/edit#gid=0

Thanks and Regards,

Michael & Ines.


2014-05-08 18:36 GMT+03:00 <internet-drafts@ietf.org>:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>  This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy
> networks Working Group of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : ROLL Applicability Statement Template
>         Author          : Michael C. Richardson
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-roll-applicability-template-05.txt
>         Pages           : 9
>         Date            : 2014-05-08
>
> Abstract:
>    This document is a template applicability statement for the Routing
>    over Low-power and Lossy Networks (ROLL) WG.  This document is not
>    for publication, but rather is to be used as a template.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-template/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-template-05
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-applicability-template-05
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Please find a comparison between=C2=
=A0<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=C2=A0</span=
><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">dra=
ft</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-</spa=
n><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">ie=
tf</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-</spa=
n><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">ro=
ll</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-</spa=
n><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">ap=
plicability</span><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x">-</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px">template</span>=C2=A0and the applicability drafts (home-building and=
 AMI Networks)</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ynnf=
PqqfD7TdZPDIe-eFNWfOSZ8RIMeIWGT_aU_kWOk/edit#gid=3D0">https://docs.google.c=
om/spreadsheets/d/1YnnfPqqfD7TdZPDIe-eFNWfOSZ8RIMeIWGT_aU_kWOk/edit#gid=3D0=
</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Mich=
ael &amp; Ines.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">2014-05-08 18:36 GMT+03:00  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:internet-drafts@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&g=
t;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.<br>
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy net=
works Working Group of the IETF.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : ROLL=
 Applicability Statement Template<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Mich=
ael C. Richardson<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: draft-iet=
f-roll-applicability-template-05.txt<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 9<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:=
 2014-05-08<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document is a template applicability statement for the Ro=
uting<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0over Low-power and Lossy Networks (ROLL) WG. =C2=A0This docume=
nt is not<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for publication, but rather is to be used as a template.<br>
<br>
<br>
The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-t=
emplate/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rol=
l-applicability-template/</a><br>
<br>
There&#39;s also a htmlized version available at:<br>
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e-05" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-applicab=
ility-template-05</a><br>
<br>
A diff from the previous version is available at:<br>
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tf-roll-applicability-template-05</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio=
n<br>
until the htmlized version and diff are available at <a href=3D"http://tool=
s.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org</a>.<br>
<br>
Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:<br>
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#144: Missing discussion of link encryption and group keys


Comment (by mariainesrobles@gmail.com):

 The Comments done by RCC were added in Section 2 - Version 03 of this
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#159: mpl-parameter-configuration-00 - Format to encode timers


Comment (by mariainesrobles@gmail.com):

 Source: [http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg08609.html]


 To: Matthew Ryan <Matt.Ryan at nominum.com>


 Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Review Request (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-mpl-
 parameter-configuration-00.txt)


 From: Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi at toshiba.co.jp>


 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 14:27:52 +0900




 Thank you very much for your comment.

 (2014-03-15 03:05), Matthew Ryan wrote:


 Having an optional fragment at the head of an option will
 likely require custom code specific to this option in anything
 that has to read or write it (as opposed to just relaying
 it) and may be an impediment to adoption.  See section 6 of
 draft-ietf-dhc-option-guidelines.

 Since the only difference between the two forms is whether
 the address is present or not, you should place the address
 at the end of the option, and mark it as optional, as suggested
 by section 5 of the option guidelines draft.

 Note that, regardless of whether you place the address at the
 front of the option or the end of the option, you will not
 be able to count on any particular alignment of the address,
 or anything else, since there are no alignment guarantees
 in the protocol (section 19 of the option guidelines draft).

 Sorry for confusion. The format I sent in the e-mail is what I tried to
 avoid some non-octet fields (P, C_K, DM_K). The version became awkward and
 I dropped the idea.

 The submitted version follows the guideline. The format is as follows:

   [Go to Source]

 The draft also defines unsigned short floating point (section 2.1) for the
 timers. There are some reasons to define a new type:

 1) Timers could be very short (*_IMIN in 10 ms.) or long (SE_LIFETIME may
 be in weeks)
 2) Linear precision is not needed (There are no reason to say 1 week and
 10ms.)
 3) Packet should be short enough
 4) Timer is unsigned and should be base-10 (not base-2)

 An unsigned short floating point:

  [Go to Source]


 Timer values are significand * 10**exp in millisecond unit.

 If you know similar value type already used in DHCPv6, please let me know.

 Regards,

 Yusuke





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 Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Review Request (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-mpl-
 parameter-configuration-00.txt)


 From: Matthew Ryan <Matt.Ryan at nominum.com>


 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:05:16 -0700



 Having an optional fragment at the head of an option will
 likely require custom code specific to this option in anything
 that has to read or write it (as opposed to just relaying
 it) and may be an impediment to adoption.  See section 6 of
 draft-ietf-dhc-option-guidelines.

 Since the only difference between the two forms is whether
 the address is present or not, you should place the address
 at the end of the option, and mark it as optional, as suggested
 by section 5 of the option guidelines draft.

 Note that, regardless of whether you place the address at the
 front of the option or the end of the option, you will not
 be able to count on any particular alignment of the address,
 or anything else, since there are no alignment guarantees
 in the protocol (section 19 of the option guidelines draft).

  - Matt

 Ref: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dhc-option-guidelines-17


 On Mar 13, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi at toshiba.co.jp>
 wrote:

 > Dear DHC folks,
 >
 > I'm proposing an DHCPv6 option for configuration of MPL parameters that
 are (typically) used in wireless mesh networks.
 >
 > The I-D is just adopted as roll WG draft. May I ask the dhc wg (again)
 to take a look on it?
 >
 > I need to apologize I failed to follow a Bernie's suggestion given at
 last August.
 >
 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dhcwg/current/msg14587.html
 >
 >> 2. While it may cost a few octets, I would strongly encourage you to
 >> use separate fields for some items (such as C_K and DM_K). This will
 >> cost you one octet but keeps the encoding simpler (flags, C_K, and
 >> DM_K octets).
 >
 > I tried to follow the comment, and at the same time, I think it should
 be aligned with word boundary, *and*, it should be compact as possible
 because it's intended to be used in wireless mesh networks (I feel too
 nervous if I waste 24 bits of all of the DHCP responses on the all mesh
 networks of ours). This results following awkward format. I personally
 think it is even more simple to make some bitmasking (and we are get used
 to it) than the following optlen={17|33} format. Currently, the proposal
 is still in the previous format with some 5-bit field and a bit for a
 flag.
 >
 > [the format to have independent C_K/DM_K octet -- *not* included in the
 I-D]
 >
 >    (if option_len = 17 )
 >
 >    [Go to Source]

 >
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Yusuke
 >

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Bits-N-Bites at IETF 90 in Toronto will focus on the Internet of Things, =
and the IETF invites you and your organization to participate!

The arrival of Things connected to the Internet in recent years has =
given life to new applications in both the consumer and industrial =
market segments. We are surrounded by products that utilize connectivity =
and a growing enthusiasm suggests imminent and impressive deployments: =
billions of new connected devices are expected by year 2020.  In the =
industrial world, wide spread wireless sensoring devices that collect =
data and measurements will move us into the next phase of process =
optimization. This will require the combination of the best of =
Information Technology (IT) and Operational Technology (OT), forming the =
IT/OT convergence.

When deploying multi-stage Thing topologies, two trends compete: IP =
protocols are enhanced and transformed into less end-to-end protocols =
(address translation, header compression, 'mesh under' routing and more) =
and, alternatively, existing IP protocols are reduced to their bare =
minimum such as to fit in reduced Things (reduced CPU frequency and =
number of transistors, dimensions and energy consumption).

IETF 90 demonstrations should exhibit recent developments of IP =
protocols for IoT networks (6lowpan adaptation layers, MANET and RPL =
routing protocols, 6tsch time-constrained communications, CoAP app-layer =
protocols) as well as demonstrations of the tendency of bringing the =
known IPv6 as close as possible to the Thing - minimum set of unmodified =
IPv6, Neighbor Discovery, DHCP, HTTP, IKEv2. Demonstrations of =
geo-location uses in and for IP networking and the surrounding privacy =
issues are also welcome.

Does your organization want to reach 1,200 Internet engineers and =
demonstrate your IoT technologies and usage of IETF protocols? This is =
your opportunity to show leading industry professionals the latest and =
greatest of what you do in a social and interactive setting.

Examples of demos include, but are not limited, to:

=95 home automation controller using SNMP for HVAC and ambient =
temperature, electricity counter;
=95 industrial-grade Wireless Sensor Network products;
=95 scalable wireless designs and existing deployments;
=95 IPv6 end-to-end and backbone interconnection;
=95 tablet summarizing status of widespread devices through =
heterogeneous link connections;
=95 smart belt collecting body information with low-energy communication =
protocols;
=95 vehicle interior connected designs, vehicle-to-road sensor-based =
communications;
=95 sensor-assisted autonomous mobile Things (mono-, bi-, quad- wheeled =
or propelled devices);
=95 vehicular communications (e.g. dead-reckoning enhancements for =
enhanced GPS localization, geo-dissemination);
=95 smartphone applications relying on geo-localization.

There many ways to configure your demo, such as:=20

=95 Things deployed on a table, relying on local connections and =
alternatively exhibiting remote access across the Internet;
=95 a poster describing a demo;
=95 video sequence showing a lab demonstration.

For information about IETF 90 Bits-N-Bites, please see =
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/90-bits-n-bites.html or send email to =
bnbsg@ietf.org.

Regards,
Alexa

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Hi Michael,

On 2014-05-22 20:44 Michael Richardson said the following:
>
> Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
>     > from:
>
>     > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc
>     > http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc2/cli/
>
>     > The purpose of this release, coming right on the heels of 2.4.6, is
>     > to add knowledge of alternative bibxml repositories, given that the
>     > usual site xml.resource.org is currently down.
>
>     > For full details on all tickets, there's always the issue tracker:
>     > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/.  An excerpt
>     > from the changelog is available below.
>
> Perhaps you could remind me/us/the community-at-large on how to avoid
> embedding xml.resources.org in our ENTITY definitions.  I think that we had
> no choice with the 1.x tool... but things evolve and get better.

Yes.  In the 2.x.x series, you can write any of these (a bare reference
file name, a file name with correct relative path, and a fully qualified
URL):

<!ENTITY RFC3552 SYSTEM "reference.RFC.3552.xml">
<!ENTITY RFC3552 SYSTEM "public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.3552.xml">
<!ENTITY RFC3552 SYSTEM "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.3552.xml">

Additionally, you can keep or omit the '.xml' extension -- 2.x.x will
try without, and then with, if needed, if you don't give '.xml'.

For the first two above, 2.4.7 will first try to resolve the reference from
cache, then from the local file system, then from the 3 internet hosts
mentioned in the release notes.

Finally, what 2.4.7 will do, in addition to trying the 3 host names
in the release notes when you give a bare name or a relative path, is
to try to replace 'xml.resource.org' as hostname in the full URL with
xml2rfc.ietf.org and xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org, in order to find something
which is reachable.

I'm not sure the last approach is a good thing long-term, but to get us
past the current situation without upsetting the lives of all draft
writers, I thought it might help.

> I didn't realize until I read this that the ideas on from this list may
> already be implemented...

I'm afraid I've been under such a deluge of work lately that I haven't
managed to follow the list properly :-(


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi,

Thank you for summarizing issues on my draft.
On #157, my understanding is as follows. If there are any issues you know, please let me know.

Inconsistent but valid parameter does not harm the network much (it may harm battery-powered nodes).

Reason:

1) If a node have smaller Imin/Imax, it takes more responsibility to repeat messages than surrounding nodes. The node will consume more power and the area will have higher traffic than expected until MPL parameters of the node is updated.
2) If a node have larger Imin/Imax, it takes less responsibility to send messages than surrounding nodes. As other nodes will send the message instead of the node with old parameters, effect for traffic load and e2e delay is negligible on dense mesh clusters. If the node with old parameters is on sparse area of a mesh network, larger Imin/Imax will cause larger e2e delay than new parameter's expectation untilthe node is updated.
3) If a node have smaller K, it takes less responsibility to repeat messages than surrounding nodes. On dense network, the effect is negligible. On sparse network, messages pass through the node will have less reliability until the node is updated.
4) If a node have larger K, it will repeat almost all the messages. The area will have excessive traffic untile the node is updated.

Of course, if nodes does not update parameters, they may cause under/overcapacity. All the nodes should have proper timer setting to expire/renew DHCPv6 configuration if the network is likely to be updated. MPL parameter update in my use case is something like 'town rennovation' and does not expect rapid and unscheduled update. So, for example, it is perfectly ok to set the update parameters for weeks, or a month (at least for me).

If you notice anything, please let me know.

Regards,

Yusuke

(2014-05-17 08:00), roll issue tracker wrote:
> #157: mpl-parameter-configuration-00 - Effect of inconsistent parameter set among
> nodes
>
>   Source: [http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg08604.html]
>
>   From: Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi at toshiba.co.jp>
>   Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:23:26 +0900
>
>   "Typical open topics are:
>
>   1) Effect of inconsistent parameter set among nodes
>      (transitional state / update failure)"
>


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On addition and removal of MPL domains:

New configuration shall add new parameter set for new MPL domain. I think the issues are

1) Shall the node allow new MPL domain on update of the configuration?
  1-1) If so, a node MAY/SHOULD/MUST add the new MPL domain?
    I think MUST is a bad choice (a node may have smaller resource than request).
    I prefer 'MAY'

2) If adding is possible, when is the time to remove/leave from the MPL domain?
  a) If the configuration is removed from DHCPv6 option
  b) If the configuration is given with explicit REMOVE flag
  c) other

  My draft is on idea a) because it is unclear when to remove a configuration
  with REMOVE flag.

Any idea?

// Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp>

(2014-05-17 08:02), roll issue tracker wrote:
> #158: mpl-parameter-configuration-00 - new MPL domain
>
>   Source: [http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg08604.html]
>
>   From: Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi at toshiba.co.jp>
>   Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:23:26 +0900
>
>   "Typical open topics are:
>
>   2) Add/Remove of new MPL domain"
>


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Hello,

This is a kindly reminder,

Due to the limited duration of the meeting (1 hour more or less), we
require please the slides in advance, to decide if the drafts will be
presented or not. Please, we require the slides before 06/06/2014.

Thanks and Regards,

Michael & Ines.


2014-05-08 16:28 GMT+03:00 Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>:

>
> Hello,
>
> We would like to know please, which drafts desire be presented in the Next
> Meeting: IETF 90, July 20-25, 2014
>
> Due to the limited duration of the meeting (1 hour more or less), we
> require please the slides in advance, to decide if the drafts will be
> presented or not. Please, we require the slides before 06/06/2014.
>
> After the decision (based on the slides obtained), we will let you know
> about which  drafts will be included in the meeting.
>
> Thank you very much in advance,
>
> Michael & Ines.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>This is a kindly reminder,</div>=
<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-he=
ight:14.949999809265137px;white-space:pre-wrap">Due to the limited duration=
 of the meeting (1 hour more or less), we require please the </span><span c=
lass=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:14.94999980=
9265137px;white-space:pre-wrap">slides</span><span style=3D"font-family:Ari=
al;font-size:13px;line-height:14.949999809265137px;white-space:pre-wrap"> i=
n </span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-he=
ight:14.949999809265137px;white-space:pre-wrap">advance</span><span style=
=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:14.949999809265137px;white=
-space:pre-wrap">, to decide if the drafts will be </span><span class=3D"" =
style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:14.949999809265137px;=
white-space:pre-wrap">presented</span><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font=
-size:13px;line-height:14.949999809265137px;white-space:pre-wrap"> or not. =
Please, we require the </span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Arial;f=
ont-size:13px;line-height:14.949999809265137px;white-space:pre-wrap">slides=
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;line-height:14.94999=
9809265137px;white-space:pre-wrap"> before 06/06/2014.</span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Mich=
ael &amp; Ines.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">2014-05-08 16:28 GMT+03:00 Ines  Robles <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">mariai=
nesrobles@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br><p dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-right:1pt">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline;whi=
te-space:pre-wrap">Hello,</span></p>

<br><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0=
pt;margin-right:1pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;vertic=
al-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">We would like to know please, which=
 drafts desire be presented in the Next Meeting: </span><span style=3D"font=
-size:13px;font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(255,255,204);vertical-ali=
gn:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">IETF 90, July 20-25, 2014</span></p>

<br><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0=
pt;margin-right:1pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;vertic=
al-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Due to the limited duration of the =
meeting (1 hour more or less), we require please the slides in advance, to =
decide if the drafts will be presented or not. Please, we require the slide=
s before 06/06/2014.</span></p>

<br><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0=
pt;margin-right:1pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;vertic=
al-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">After the decision (based on the sl=
ides obtained), we will let you know about which =C2=A0drafts will be inclu=
ded in the meeting.</span></p>

<br><p dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0=
pt;margin-right:1pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;vertic=
al-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Thank you very much in advance,</sp=
an></p>

<br><span style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:baseline=
;white-space:pre-wrap">Michael &amp; Ines.</span></span><br></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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Hi Pascal,

Ok, Thank you very much.

Best Regards,


2014-05-28 12:25 GMT+03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>:

>  Hi Ines (and Michael):
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99d wish to have a slot to discuss the flow label draft that is c=
urrently
> worked on at 6MAN.
>
> Since 6MAN does not meet in Toronto, it makes sense to discuss at ROLL
> about the prospects for this work.
>
> Will unicast the slides separately.
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>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:* Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Ines Robles
> *Sent:* lundi 26 mai 2014 20:42
> *To:* roll
> *Cc:* Michael Richardson
> *Subject:* Re: [Roll] IETF 90 - Toronto - Draft to be presented - Slides
> in advance
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> This is a kindly reminder,
>
>
>
> Due to the limited duration of the meeting (1 hour more or less), we
> require please the slides in advance, to decide if the drafts will be
> presented or not. Please, we require the slides before 06/06/2014.
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael & Ines.
>
>
>
> 2014-05-08 16:28 GMT+03:00 Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>:
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> We would like to know please, which drafts desire be presented in the Nex=
t
> Meeting: IETF 90, July 20-25, 2014
>
>
>
> Due to the limited duration of the meeting (1 hour more or less), we
> require please the slides in advance, to decide if the drafts will be
> presented or not. Please, we require the slides before 06/06/2014.
>
>
>
> After the decision (based on the slides obtained), we will let you know
> about which  drafts will be included in the meeting.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much in advance,
>
>
> Michael & Ines.
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Pascal,<div><br></div><div>Ok, Thank you very much.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-05-28 12:25 GMT+03:00 Pascal Thubert (pthu=
bert) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.com" target=3D=
"_blank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Hi Ines (and Michael):<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">I=E2=80=99d wish to have =
a slot to discuss the flow label draft that is currently worked on at 6MAN.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Since 6MAN does not meet =
in Toronto, it makes sense to discuss at ROLL about the prospects for this =
work.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Will unicast the slides s=
eparately.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers,<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Pascal<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Roll [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">roll-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ines Robles<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lundi 26 mai 2014 20:42<br>
<b>To:</b> roll<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Michael Richardson<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Roll] IETF 90 - Toronto - Draft to be presented - Slid=
es in advance<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is a kindly reminder,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Due to the limited duration of the meetin=
g (1 hour more or less), we require please the slides in advance, to decide=
 if the drafts will be presented or not. Please, we require
 the slides before 06/06/2014.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks and Regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael &amp; Ines.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">2014-05-08 16:28 GMT+03:00 Ines Robles &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">mariainesroble=
s@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin-right:1.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bot=
tom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">Hello,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin-right:1.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bot=
tom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">We would like to know please, which drafts desire be presented i=
n the Next Meeting:
<span style=3D"background:#ffffcc">IETF 90, July 20-25, 2014</span></span><=
u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin-right:1.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bot=
tom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">Due to the limited duration of the meeting (1 hour more or less)=
, we require please the slides in advance, to decide if the drafts will be =
presented or not. Please, we require the slides before
 06/06/2014.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin-right:1.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bot=
tom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">After the decision (based on the slides obtained), we will let y=
ou know about which =C2=A0drafts will be included in the meeting.</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p style=3D"margin-right:1.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bot=
tom:.0001pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">Thank you very much in advance,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;">Michael &amp; Ines.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>

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