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2019 16:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B1E8CF1C-7BD0-4C56-9D04-9EFB1C72A463" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:10:00 +0200 Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Message-Id: <66E94BB1-EEE2-4AAD-8383-050D8DB29C94@imt-atlantique.fr> References: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Review of draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-02 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 14:10:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B1E8CF1C-7BD0-4C56-9D04-9EFB1C72A463 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal, Noted, we will updated it accordingly. many thanks, Giorgos > On Jul 1, 2019, at 15:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Hello Remous > =20 > maximizing packet delivery rate and minimizing latency and jitter." > =20 > The goal is to optimize packet delivery within bounded latency. For = some flows the controller can also minimize the latecy but only a few. = Think of an ambulance with all the green lights as it traverses the = city. Other important vehicles e.g., police, will have to wait more. = Minimizing jitter can be a secondary goal, not always. > =20 > =20 > =20 > "As an example, to meet this goal, IEEE Std. 802.15.4 [IEEE802154-2015 = ] provides > =20 > Please use dateless reference unless you want to quote a particular = text or section that may move or go away in the next respin. > e.g., > =20 > > > IEEE Std. 802.15.4, Part. 15.4: Wireless Medium = Access > Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for = Low-Rate > Wireless Personal Area Networks > > > IEEE standard for Information = Technology > > > > > =20 > =20 > All the best, > =20 > Pascal > =20 > From: Roll On Behalf Of Remous-Aris = Koutsiamanis > Sent: vendredi 28 juin 2019 17:45 > To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos > Subject: Re: [Roll] Review of draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-02 > =20 > Hello Diego, > =20 > thank you very much for reviewing the draft and for providing us with = your feedback. > The issue of scope also might concern Rahul as well, so I have CCed = him as well. > =20 > Responses follow inline. > =20 > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:56 AM Prof. Diego Dujovne = > wrote: > Dear all, > My review of the draft below: > =20 > - The abstract should include more details about the purpose > of packet replication and the context where the metric will > be used. Is it an Objective Function? Is it a new mechanism? > =20 > As you guessed and as you said in another of your comments further = below, the scope of this draft may need some clarification. Up to this = point, the from feedback that we have received and from discussions with = others, we took the path of providing some introductory material as well = as examples of potential uses of the Parent Set information in an = Objective Function. > However, and this is the main point, the draft only specifies the = information to be transferred, its encoding, compression, etc. How = exactly it is to be used (Objective Function) is outside the = specification. The options are to: > a) Create another document with the operation of an OF which uses this > b) Extend this draft with the spec of an OF that uses the information. > =20 > Since there is already work by Rahul which might take advantage of the = same information in a different way, we chose a). > Rahul, any comments? > =20 > In any case, do you think that=20 > "This document details what information needs to be > transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable this > functionality." > is not clear enough? > =20 > =20 > - I think abbreviations such as "aka" shall be avoided > =20 > Absolutely, thanks. An instance of "aka" and "one" of i.e. have been = replaced. > =20 > =20 > - The expression " to achieve their goal" shall be put in context. > Which is the goal? Maybe it is easier to write "Network-enabled > applications in the industrial context must provide..." > =20 > No problem. What do you think about this rephrase: > "Network-enabled applications in the industrial context must provide = stringent guarantees in terms of reliability and predictability. To = achieve this they typically leverage 1+1 redundancy, also known as = Packet Replication and Elimination (PRE) = [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs = ]. > =20 > =20 > - The phrase "In order > for wireless networks to be able to be used in such applications, = the > principles of Deterministic Networking = [I-D.ietf-detnet-architecture = ] > lead to designs that aim at maximizing packet delivery rate and > minimizing latency and jitter." > should be rewritten differently, it is a little bit complex and long. > =46rom that expression, I understand that if you are aiming to apply = detnet principles to LLNs, the design shall comply with these = principles. Am I right? > =20 > Yes, you are correct. This is the idea. > What do you think about this rephrase: > "Allowing these kinds of applications to function over wireless = networks requires the application of the principles of Deterministic = Networking [I-D.ietf-detnet-architecture = ].This results in designs which aim at maximizing = packet delivery rate and minimizing latency and jitter." > =20 > =20 > - "uses a fixed communication schedule" is it fixed? I think it could = be better to explain that by using timeslots, TSCH looks like TDMA in = the time dimension (and only for better understanding). > =20 > Well, actually the schedule is not completely fixed, at least not = permanently. > The point is that with TSCH you can avoid probabilistic medium access = by having a common agreed-upon schedule. > =20 > Maybe this rephrase is better? > "As an example, to meet this goal, IEEE Std. 802.15.4 [IEEE802154-2015 = ] provides > Time-Slotted Channel Hopping (TSCH), a mode of operation which uses a = common communication schedule > based on timeslots to allow deterministic medium access as well as = ..." > =20 > - " isn't it "to provide"? and "and limit jitter" should be "to = limit"? > =20 > Thanks, fixed. > =20 > - "achieves a controlled redundancy" to "achieves controlled = redundancy" > =20 > Yes, thanks, fixed. > =20 > - "within the remit of" I do not understand the expression. > =20 > Means within the area of responsibility of. Rephrased as: > "which is among the responsibilities of the RPL Objective Function" > =20 > - "The specification of the transmission of this information is the = focus of this document." > could it be "This document focuses on the specification of the = transmission of this specific path information" > =20 > Sure, thanks. Rephrased as suggested. > =20 > - "More concretely" to "Specifically" > =20 > It is followed by "this specification focuses ..". > It would become: "Specifically, this specification focuses .." > Left as is, unless a bigger rephrase is required. > =20 > - "children nodes of the node" of the parent node? maybe "children of = the parent node"? > =20 > Yes, better, rephrased as "children of the node". > =20 > - "This specification defines the type value and structure for this = TLV" to "This specification defines the type value and structure for the = parent address set TLV". Is there an abbreviation of the parent address = set (such as PAS)? > =20 > No problem, replaced as suggested. The abbreviation is PS (Parent = Set). > =20 > - "The sending of multiple" to "The transmission of multiple" is = better here. > =20 > No problem. Replaced as suggested.=20 > =20 > - "The sending of multiple copies of a packet using multi-path = forwarding over a multi-hop network and the consolidation of multiple = received packet copies to control flooding." > looks awkward. The verb is missing. > =20 > Well, the defined term is a noun so for me it makes sense that there = is no verb. I would agree that it is a bit complex, however. Rephrased = to: > "A method which transmits multiple copies of a packet using multi-path = forwarding over a multi-hop network and which consolidates multiple = received packet copies > to control flooding. See "Exploiting Packet Replication and = Elimination in Complex Tracks in 6TiSCH LLNs" > [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs = ] for more details." > =20 > - " [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs = ] for more." to " = [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs = ] for more details. > =20 > No problem. Fixed. > =20 > - "The problem of how to select the next hop target node for a packet = copy to be forwarded to when performing packet replication." can be = rephrased: "Defines the mechanism to choose the next hop node to forward = a packet copy when replicating" (although I think still needs some work = on it) > =20 > Thanks. As a first step rephrased to:=20 > "The mechanism for choosing the next hop node to forward a packet copy = when replicating packets." > =20 > - "Preferred Parent (PP)" is defined after PP is used for the first = time. > =20 > Good catch, thanks. Fixed. > =20 > - "AP node, functionality which is included in the operation of the = RPL Objective=20 > Function (OF)." to "AP node. This functionality which is included = in the operation of the RPL Objective Function (OF)." =20 > =20 > No problem, replaced as suggested. > =20 > - "A scheme which allows the two paths to remain > correlated is detailed here. More specifically, in this scheme a > node will select an AP node close to its PP node to allow the > operation of overhearing between parents. If multiple potential = APs > match this condition, the AP with the lowest rank will be = registered". > I think this expression can be improved eliminating the first part. > "The node will select an AP node close to its PP node to allow the = operation of overhearing between parents. If multiple potential APs = match this condition, the AP with the lowest rank will be registered". > =20 > Thank you for the comment. In this instance I would prefer that > "A scheme which allows the two paths to remain correlated is detailed = here." > is kept, because at this point the draft only gives an *example* of a = potential scheme for alternative parent selection, with the specific = feature that the two paths remain correlated. There are other options = available and this draft at this point does not propose any choice. > I would like to keep it clear that this scheme is not part of the spec = itself. > I am of course open for discussion. > =20 > - I have not seen anything about overhearing before this point. I = think overhearing can be either explained shortly or referenced to = another document.=20 > =20 > Very good point. This is actually the only mention of overhearing, = since although it is beneficial to performance and we do use it in our = implementation, it is in no way required for this spec. Overhearing is = only mentioned here because keeping the paths correlated increased the = chances of taking advantage of overhearing. > I have referenced a section in papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs which = explains it a bit more for those interested. > =20 > - In general, from the abstract and the title, I was expecting only = the technical description of the extension, without the AP selection = mechanism. =46rom my point of view, either the mechanism should be = described in another document and referenced in this one, or the goal of = the document shall be expanded to include the mechanism too. > =20 > I agree that this is an issue. As I have answered to your first = comment in more detail, for now the answer has been that this draft only = specifies the parent set information, not the Objective Function. > We can definitely discuss this though. > =20 > - Moreover, the description of the NSA extension can be expanded to = be used for other selection mechanisms which may consider different = criteria to take advantage of alternative parent selection.=20 > =20 > Sure, any ideas are very welcome. :) > =20 > =20 > As always, open to any comments on the above. > Regards, > =20 > Diego=20 > =20 > Again, thank you very much for the help.. > A new version of the draft (draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-03) has been = posted with the discussed changes. > =20 > Best, > Aris >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > --=20 > DIEGO DUJOVNE > Profesor Asociado > Escuela de Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunicaciones > Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa - Universidad Diego Portales - Chile > www.ingenieria.udp.cl > (56 2) 676 8125 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll = --Apple-Mail=_B1E8CF1C-7BD0-4C56-9D04-9EFB1C72A463 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal,

Noted, we will updated it accordingly.
many thanks,
Giorgos


On Jul 1, 2019, at 15:57, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Hello Remous
 
maximizing packet = delivery rate and minimizing latency and jitter."
 
The goal = is to optimize packet delivery within bounded latency. For some flows = the controller can also minimize the latecy but only a few. Think of an = ambulance with all the green lights as it traverses the city. Other = important vehicles e.g., police, will have to wait more. Minimizing = jitter can be a secondary goal, not always.
 
 
 
"As an example, to meet this goal, IEEE Std. 802.15.4 [IEEE802154-2015] provides
 
Please use dateless reference unless = you want to quote a particular text or section that may move or go away = in the next respin.
e.g.,
 
      <reference = anchor=3D"IEEE802154">
         = <front>
          &nb= sp; <title>IEEE Std. 802.15.4, Part. 15.4: Wireless Medium = Access
          &nb= sp; Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for = Low-Rate
          &nb= sp; Wireless Personal Area Networks
          &nb= sp; </title>
          &nb= sp; <author>
          &nb= sp;    <organization>IEEE standard for Information = Technology</organization>
          &nb= sp; </author>
          &nb= sp; <date/>
         = </front>
      </reference>
 
 
All the = best,
 
Pascal
 
From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Remous-Aris = Koutsiamanis
Sent: vendredi 28 juin 2019 = 17:45
To: Routing Over Low power and = Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Georgios Z. Papadopoulos = <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Review of = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-02
 
Hello = Diego,
 
thank you very much for reviewing the draft and for providing = us with your feedback.
The issue of scope also = might concern Rahul as well, so I have CCed him as well.
 
Responses follow inline.
 
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at = 1:56 AM Prof. Diego Dujovne <diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> = wrote:
Dear all,
      =         My review of the draft below:
 
- The abstract should include more = details about the purpose
of packet replication and = the context where the metric will
be used. Is it an = Objective Function? Is it a new mechanism?
 
As you guessed and as you said in = another of your comments further below, the scope of this draft may need = some clarification. Up to this point, the from feedback that we have = received and from discussions with others, we took the path of providing = some introductory material as well as examples of potential uses of the = Parent Set information in an Objective Function.
However, and this is the main point, the draft only specifies = the information to be transferred, its encoding, compression, etc. How = exactly it is to be used (Objective Function) is outside the = specification. The options are to:
a) Create another document = with the operation of an OF which uses this
b) Extend this draft with the spec of an OF that uses the = information.
 
Since there is already work by Rahul which might take = advantage of the same information in a different way, we chose a).
Rahul, any comments?
 
In any case, do you think that 
"This document details what information needs to be
transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable = this
functionality."
 =
is not clear enough?
 
 
- I think abbreviations such as "aka" shall be avoided
 
Absolutely, thanks. An instance of = "aka" and "one" of i.e. have been replaced.
 
 
- The expression " to achieve = their goal" shall be put in context.
Which is the = goal? Maybe it is easier to write "Network-enabled
applications in = the industrial context must provide..."
 
No problem. What do you think about = this rephrase:
"Network-enabled applications in the = industrial context must provide stringent guarantees in = terms of reliability and predictability. To achieve this they typically = leverage 1+1 redundancy, also known as Packet Replication and = Elimination (PRE) [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs].
 
 
- The phrase "In order
   for wireless networks to be able to be used in =
such applications, the
   =
principles of Deterministic Networking [I-D.ietf-detnet-architecture]
   lead to designs that aim at maximizing packet =
delivery rate and
   minimizing latency =
and jitter."
should be rewritten differently, it is a little bit complex = and long.
=46rom that expression, I understand = that if you are aiming to apply detnet principles to LLNs, the design = shall comply with these principles. Am I right?
 
Yes, you are correct. This is the = idea.
What do you think about this = rephrase:
"Allowing these kinds of applications to function over = wireless networks requires the application of the principles of = Deterministic Networking [I-D.ietf-detnet-architecture].This results in designs = which aim at maximizing packet delivery rate and minimizing latency and = jitter."
 
 
- "uses a fixed = communication schedule" is it fixed? I think it could be better to = explain that by using timeslots, TSCH looks like TDMA in the time = dimension (and only for better understanding).
 
Well, actually the schedule is not = completely fixed, at least not permanently.
The point is that with TSCH you can avoid probabilistic = medium access by having a common agreed-upon schedule.
 
Maybe this rephrase is better?
"As=
 an example, to meet this goal, IEEE Std. 802.15.4 [IEEE802154-2015] provides
Time-Slotted =
Channel Hopping (TSCH), a mode of operation which uses a common =
communication schedule
based on timeslots to allow =
deterministic medium access as well as ..."
 
-  = " isn't it "to provide"? and = "and limit jitter" should be "to limit"?
 
Thanks, fixed.
 
- "achieves a controlled = redundancy" to "achieves controlled redundancy"
 
Yes, thanks, fixed.
 
- "within the remit of" I do not = understand the expression.
 
Means within the area of responsibility = of. Rephrased as:
"which is among the responsibilities of the RPL = Objective Function"
 
- "The specification of the transmission of this = information is the focus of this document."
could it be "This = document focuses on the specification of the transmission of this = specific path information"
 
Sure, thanks. Rephrased as = suggested.
 
- "More concretely" to "Specifically"
 
It is followed by "this specification = focuses ..".
It would become: "Specifically, this = specification focuses .."
Left as is, unless a bigger rephrase is = required.
 
- "children nodes of the node" of the parent = node? maybe "children of the parent node"?
 
Yes, better, rephrased as "children of the node".
 
- "This specification defines the type value and = structure for this TLV" to "This specification defines the type = value and structure for the parent address set TLV". Is there an = abbreviation of the parent address set (such as PAS)?
 
No problem, replaced as suggested. The = abbreviation is PS (Parent Set).
 
- "The sending of multiple" to "The transmission of = multiple" is better here.
 
No problem. Replaced as suggested. 
 
- "The sending of = multiple copies of a packet using multi-path forwarding over a = multi-hop network and the consolidation of multiple received packet = copies to control flooding."
looks awkward. = The verb is missing.
 
Well, the defined term is a noun so for = me it makes sense that there is no verb. I would agree that it is a bit = complex, however. Rephrased to:
"A method which transmits multiple copies of = a packet using multi-path forwarding over a multi-hop network and which = consolidates multiple received packet copies
to = control flooding. See "Exploiting Packet Replication and Elimination in = Complex Tracks in 6TiSCH LLNs"
[I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs] for more = details."
 
- " [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs] for more." to = " [I-D.papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs] for more details.
 
No problem. Fixed.
 
- "The problem of how to select = the next hop target node for a packet copy to be forwarded to = when performing packet replication." can be rephrased: "Defines the = mechanism to choose the next hop node to forward a packet copy when = replicating" (although I think still needs some work on it)
 
Thanks. As a first step rephrased = to: 
"The mechanism for choosing the next hop node to = forward a packet copy when replicating packets."
 
- "Preferred Parent (PP)" is = defined after PP is used for the first time.
 
Good catch, thanks. Fixed.
 
- "AP node, functionality = which is included in the operation of the RPL Objective 
  =  Function (OF)." to "AP node. This functionality which is = included in the operation of the RPL Objective Function = (OF)."  
 
No problem, replaced as suggested.
 
- "A scheme which allows the two = paths to remain
   =
correlated is detailed here.  More specifically, in this scheme =
a
   node will select an AP node close to =
its PP node to allow the
   =
operation of overhearing between parents.  If multiple potential =
APs
   match this condition, the AP with the =
lowest rank will be registered".
I think this expression = can be improved eliminating the first part.
"The node will select an AP node close to its PP node to allow = the operation of overhearing between parents. If multiple potential = APs match this condition, the AP with the lowest rank will be = registered".
 
Thank you for the comment. In this instance I would prefer = that
"A scheme which allows the two paths to = remain correlated is detailed here."
is kept, because at this = point the draft only gives an *example* of a potential scheme for = alternative parent selection, with the specific feature that the two = paths remain correlated. There are other options available and this = draft at this point does not propose any choice.
I would like to keep it clear that this scheme is not part of = the spec itself.
I am of course open for discussion.
 
- I have not seen = anything about overhearing before this point. I think overhearing can be = either explained shortly or referenced to another = document. 
 
Very good point. This is actually the only mention of = overhearing, since although it is beneficial to performance and we do = use it in our implementation, it is in no way required for this spec. = Overhearing is only mentioned here because keeping the paths correlated = increased the chances of taking advantage of overhearing.
I have referenced a section = in papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs which explains it a bit more for = those interested.
 
- In general, from the abstract = and the title, I was expecting only the technical description of the = extension, without the AP selection mechanism. =46rom my point of view, = either the mechanism should be described in another document and = referenced in this one, or the goal of the document shall be expanded to = include the mechanism too.
 
I agree that this is an issue. As I have answered to your = first comment in more detail, for now the answer has been that this = draft only specifies the parent set information, not the Objective = Function.
We can definitely discuss this = though.
 
-  Moreover, the description = of the NSA extension can be expanded to be used for other selection = mechanisms which may consider different criteria to take advantage = of  alternative parent selection. 
 
Sure, any ideas are very welcome. :)
 
 
As always, open to any comments on the = above.
Regards,
 
          =                     =   Diego 
 
Again, thank you very much for the help..
A new version of the draft (draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-03) has been posted with = the discussed changes.
 
Best,
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Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:51:40 +0200 Cc: "dominique.barthel@orange.com" , Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , Aris Message-Id: <19B2FF84-F99B-40BF-81BF-8788D3478B1C@imt-atlantique.fr> References: <156139562335.17453.10181644975970552720@ietfa.amsl.com> <20818_1561994784_5D1A2620_20818_214_5_D93FEF87.62BE1%dominique.barthel@orange.com> To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-02.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 15:51:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_46BE243C-9A83-4390-8811-5A5E8A052288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal, Below is the summarized discussion. Basically, is it good idea to use capitalized "SHOULD=E2=80=9D" or lower = case =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D when talking about compressing the parent = address list. In the draft we suggest using a implementation similar to SRH-6LoRH for = the IPv6 address (which we have implemented in Contiki btw). However, its similar but not identical to the one in SRH-6LoRH. Dominique says, if we use capitalized =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D then it = might create problems in the WGLC, if we do not have have an explicit = spec. Thus, in the -3 version we have used lower case "should=E2=80=9D. What do you think? Georgios and Aris =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94=20 Happy to contribute : ) =20 Can someone summarize the discussion? =20 All the best, =20 Pascal > On Jul 1, 2019, at 17:44, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Section 4.2: "Therefore, the PS IPv6 address(es) field SHOULD be = compressed using the compression method for Source Routing Header 6LoRH = (SRH-6LoRH)". I understand that a similar compression mechanism could be = used. However, this requires defining a protocol element that does not = exist today, unless I missed something. Therefore, the normative SHOULD = is irrelevant. I guess this section is merely suggesting future work.=20 > We do have this almost fully implemented (almost: only works in single = root RPL instances). > Would it make sense to spell out the exact specification of the = compression even if it is largely a copy of the SRH-6LoRH compression = method? > I can lowercase the SHOULD, but using this kind of compression really = makes big difference in practice. > [DB] talk to Pascal about this, he looks pretty knowledgeable in = SHOULDs. Anyway, if you capitalise SHOULD, then you have to explain the = consequences of not following the recommendation. Whereas if you = lowercase it, it's only free advice. You can stil explain why you think = it is a good idea. My worry is that a capitalised SHOULD here will stop = the draft later in the IESG processing because you are referring to a = non-existent specification (formally speaking). Again, ask Pascal, I = totally trust him on this question. --Apple-Mail=_46BE243C-9A83-4390-8811-5A5E8A052288 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hello = Pascal,

Below is the summarized = discussion.

Basically, is it = good idea to use capitalized "SHOULD=E2=80=9D" or lower case = =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D when talking about compressing the parent = address list.
In the draft we = suggest using a implementation similar to SRH-6LoRH for the IPv6 address = (which we have implemented in Contiki btw).
However, its similar but not identical to the one in = SRH-6LoRH.
Dominique says, if we use = capitalized =E2=80=9CSHOULD=E2=80=9D then it might create problems in = the WGLC, if we do not have have an explicit spec.
Thus, in the -3 version we have used = lower case "should=E2=80=9D.

What do = you think?
Georgios and = Aris

=E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 
=

Happy to contribute : )
 
Can = someone summarize the discussion?
 
All the best,
 
Pascal


On Jul 1, 2019, at 17:44, Pascal Thubert = (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

  • Section 4.2: "Therefore, the PS IPv6 address(es) field = SHOULD be compressed using the compression method for Source = Routing Header 6LoRH (SRH-6LoRH)". I understand that a similar = compression mechanism could be used. However, this requires defining a = protocol element that does not exist today, unless I missed = something. Therefore, the normative SHOULD is irrelevant. I guess = this section is merely suggesting future work. 
We do have this almost fully implemented (almost: = only works in single root RPL instances).
Would it make = sense to spell out the exact specification of the compression even if it = is largely a copy of the SRH-6LoRH compression method?
I can lowercase = the SHOULD, but using this kind of compression really makes big = difference in = practice.

[DB] talk to = Pascal about this, he looks pretty knowledgeable in SHOULDs. Anyway, if = you capitalise SHOULD, then you have to explain the consequences of not = following the recommendation. Whereas if you lowercase it, it's only = free advice. You can stil explain why you think it is a good idea. My = worry is that a capitalised SHOULD here will stop the draft later in the = IESG processing because you are referring to a non-existent = specification (formally speaking). Again, ask Pascal, I totally trust = him on this question.

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MN2PR11MB3854 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.18, xch-aln-008.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-6.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] 6LoRH type in useofRPLinfo X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:07:45 -0000 --_000_MN2PR11MB35652590F29701C0F9097C1FD8F80MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25= I think we made a mistake in Fig 3: The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presented as: +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI-6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC| +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meaning the RPI is before th= e IP-in-IP: +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP |Page 1 |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH | 6LoRH |LOWPAN_IPHC| UDP | hdr |Payld +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... <-8bytes-> <- RFC 6282 -> No RPL artifact Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing the IP-in-IP removes ev= erything left of it including RPI. What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at the LOWPAN_IPHC. What's worth noting is that in Storing Mode the SRH contains the address of= the 6LR that decapsulates. IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whereas the root is the so= urce so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is elided... All the best, Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB35652590F29701C0F9097C1FD8F80MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 I think we made a mistake in Fig 3:

 

The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presente= d as:

 

   +--+-----+---+--------------&= #43;-----------+-----------+-----------+

   |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI= -6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC|

   +--+-----+---+--------------&= #43;-----------+-----------+-----------+

 

But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meani= ng the RPI is before the IP-in-IP:

 

 
+-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... &#=
43;-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...
 |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI-  | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1   =
   |11110CPP| UDP | UDP
 |Page 1  |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH |  6LoRH   |LOWPAN_I=
PHC| UDP    | hdr |Payld
 +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... =
-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...
            <=
;-8bytes->          &n=
bsp;       <-     =
;   RFC 6282&=
nbsp;     ->
           &nbs=
p;            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;           No RPL artif=
act
 
           &nbs=
p;   Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH

 


Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing =
the IP-in-IP removes everything left of it including RPI.


What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at th=
e LOWPAN_IPHC.



What’s worth noting is that in Storing Mode th=
e SRH contains the address of the 6LR that decapsulates.


IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whe=
reas the root is the source so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is el=
ided…


 


All the best,


 


Pascal


 


 


 
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all Actually since there is only one entry in the SRH the drawing in fig 20 of = RFC 8138 must be adapted for a size of 0 (meaning 1 entry) and a total leng= th of 4 octets. +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP |Page 1 |Type1 S=3D0| 6LoRH | 6LoRH |LOWPAN_IPHC| UDP | hdr |Payld +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... <-4bytes-> <- RFC 6282 -> No RPL artifact All the best, Pascal From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: mardi 2 juillet 2019 16:07 To: 'Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks' Subject: 6LoRH type in useofRPLinfo Dear all Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25= I think we made a mistake in Fig 3: The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presented as: +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI-6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC| +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meaning the RPI is before th= e IP-in-IP: +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP |Page 1 |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH | 6LoRH |LOWPAN_IPHC| UDP | hdr |Payld +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... <-8bytes-> <- RFC 6282 -> No RPL artifact Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing the IP-in-IP removes ev= erything left of it including RPI. What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at the LOWPAN_IPHC. What's worth noting is that in Storing Mode the SRH contains the address of= the 6LR that decapsulates. IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whereas the root is the so= urce so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is elided... All the best, Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB3565F5ED23571E3C9A6394B9D8F80MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

Actually since there is only one entry in the SRH th= e drawing in fig 20 of RFC 8138 must be adapted for a size of 0 (meaning 1 = entry) and a total length of 4 octets.

 
 
 
+-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... &#=
43;-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...
 |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI-  | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1   =
   |11110CPP| UDP | UDP
 |Page 1  |Type1 S=3D0| 6LoRH |  6LoRH   |LOWPAN_I=
PHC| UDP    | hdr |Payld
 +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... =
-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...
          <-4byte=
s->            &n=
bsp;       <-     =
;   RFC 6282&=
nbsp;     ->
           &nbs=
p;            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;           No RPL artif=
act

 

 

All the best,

 

Pascal

 

From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mardi 2 juillet 2019 16:07
To: 'Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks' <roll@ietf.org>= ;
Subject: 6LoRH type in useofRPLinfo

 

Dear all

 

Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 I think we = made a mistake in Fig 3:

 

The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presente= d as:

 

   +--+-----+---+--------------&= #43;-----------+-----------+-----------+

   |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI= -6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC|

   +--+-----+---+--------------&= #43;-----------+-----------+-----------+

 

But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meani= ng the RPI is before the IP-in-IP:

 

 
+-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... &#=
43;-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...
 |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI-  | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1   =
   |11110CPP| UDP | UDP
 |Page 1  |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH |  6LoRH   |LOWPAN_I=
PHC| UDP    | hdr |Payld
 +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... =
-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...
            <=
;-8bytes->          &n=
bsp;       <-     =
;   RFC 6282&=
nbsp;     ->
           &nbs=
p;            &=
nbsp;           &nbs=
p;           No RPL artif=
act
 
           &nbs=
p;   Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH

 


Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing =
the IP-in-IP removes everything left of it including RPI.


What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at th=
e LOWPAN_IPHC.



What’s worth noting is that in Storing Mode th=
e SRH contains the address of the 6LR that decapsulates.


IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whe=
reas the root is the source so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is el=
ided…


 


All the best,


 


Pascal


 


 


 
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Hello again,

just two re= ally quick clarifications...

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 7:52 PM P= ascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert= @cisco.com> wrote:
I agree 100% with Dominique.

I d remove the text altogether since there is no compression RFC and t= hat would block this draft.

You propose to remove the whole section regarding the compression? <= a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-03#sect= ion-4.2" target=3D"_blank">(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa= -extension-03#section-4.2)
=C2=A0

And... Let=E2=80=99s start the PL control plane compression draft!

What does PL sta= nd for here? You maybe mistyped RPL?
And if yes, this would a wid= er effort, right?
=C2=A0
Best,
Aris
--0000000000003152ba058cb48eab-- From nobody Tue Jul 2 09:18:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8243E1203AD; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:18:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <156208429042.23895.17547334049550607368@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 09:18:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-01.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:18:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Routing for RPL Leaves Author : Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-01.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2019-07-02 Abstract: This specification leverages 6LoWPAN ND to provide a unicast and multicast routing service in a RPL domain to 6LNs that do not participate to RPL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jul 2 09:40:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085321205FB; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:40:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4CW-9clMtECo; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE28E1204DC; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x62GeF14001355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:40:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:40:15 -0500 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Rahul Arvind Jadhav Cc: The IESG , "draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org" , Peter Van der Stok , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" , "roll-chairs@ietf.org" , "roll@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20190702164014.GT13810@kduck.mit.edu> References: <156150881090.31233.460341246895590440.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF26D0C@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF26D0C@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:40:34 -0000 On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 12:51:22AM +0000, Rahul Arvind Jadhav wrote: > Thank you Benjamin for the detailed review and the comments. > Please find my responses inline. > > Thanks, > Rahul > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think that we need greater clarity about whether the DCOSequence number is just a series of monotonic (i.e., time-ordered) nonces (to be echoed back for matching request/response) or a full-on sequence counter that allows for loss detection as well as providing in-order delivery. > It sounds like we just need the time-ordering and single-use properties, but I'm not entirely sure. I wavered about making this a Discuss point but ended up not doing so since I'm not sure how much harm is being risked. (I also mention this topic a couple times in the section-by-section comments below.) > > [RJ] The DCOSequence is not expected to provide in-order delivery. The receiver > is simply expected to echo back the DCOSequence whatever is received which > informs the sender that the info is received. Even if received un-ordered the receiver is expected to just ack the rcvd DCO. Okay, so it seems like the risk here would just be if a receiver mis-implemented and expected sequential behavior. I know Roman had also mentioned this topic in his ballot, and I see you propose to make some changes down in the Comment where I mentioned this; thanks! > I agree with Barry that the Abstract is really hard to parse. > > [RJ] Yes. We had updated the abstract as per Barry's suggestion. > > Section 1.2 > > RPL uses NPDAO messaging in the storing mode so that the node > changing it routing adjacencies can invalidate the previous route. > > nit: "its routing adjacencies" > > [RJ] Fixed > > This is needed so that nodes along the previous path can release any > resources (such as the routing entry) it maintains on behalf of > target node. > > nit: singular/plural mismatch "nodes"/"it maintains" > [RJ] changed "it maintains" to "they maintain" > > Section 4.1 > > When node A > receives the regular DAO, it finds that it already has a routing > table entry on behalf of the target address of node D. It finds > however that the next hop information for reaching node D has changed > i.e., node D has decided to change the paths. In this case, Node A > which is the common ancestor node for node D along the two paths > (previous and new), should generate a DCO which traverses downwards > in the network. > > I can't decide whether or not it helps readability to reiterate that in addition to creating the DCO, node A also does normal DAO processing (e.g., forwarding to the 6LBR). I guess the example in A.1 does show this normal processing, so maybe it's overkill to also do so here. > > [RJ] As you hinted, It would be better for the sake of completeness to add DAO processing point here as well. I have added a statement saying, "Node A handles normal DAO forwarding to > 6LBR as required by the RFC6550." Thanks! > Section 4.2 > > Transit Information Option should be carried in the DAO > message with I-flag set in case route invalidation is sought for the > corresponding target(s). > > nit: this text as written implies thatthe I-flag is set in the DAO itself, not the TIO therein. > > [RJ] Updated to say, "Transit Information Option with I-flag set should be carried in the DAO message when route invalidation is sought ..." > > I'd also suggest to s/in case/when/ for clarity. > > [RJ] Fixed as mentioned above. > > The common ancestor node SHOULD generate a DCO message in response to > this I-flag when it sees that the routing adjacencies have changed > for the target. I-flag governs the ownership of the DCO message in a > way that the target node is still in control of its own route > invalidation. > > nit: "The I-flag" (start of last sentence). > > [RJ] Fixed > > I'd further suggest rewording to something like "The I-flag is intended to give the target node control over its own route invalidation, serving as a signal to request DCO generation; in normal operation a DCO would not otherwise be generated"; the current text about "ownership" has some weird connotations/implications and this text also implicitly assumes that DAO/TIO/I-flag will never be maliciously generated. It is also a little weaker about unsolicited DCO, per Section 4.5 > > [RJ] Have updated the text, " The I-flag is intended to give the target node control over its own route invalidation, serving as a signal to request DCO generation." > I have avoided to say "in normal operation a DCO would not otherwise be generated" especially given the case of unsolicited DCO. That's a good point (I hadn't quite gotten to unsolicited DCO when I wrote this comment). > Section 4.3 > > A new ICMPv6 RPL control message type is defined by this > specification called as "Destination Cleanup Object" (DCO), which is > > nit: either "called" or "known as" or "referred to as" would be fine; "called as" is a grammatical mismatch. > > [RJ] fixed. using "referred to as" > > DCOSequence: Incremented at each unique DCO message from a node and > echoed in the DCO-ACK message. The initial DCOSequence can be chosen > randomly by the node. > > What's the behavior if a sequence number is skipped? (Why do we have a sequence number if we aren't going to detect and act on this condition?) Ah, I see Section 4.3.3, but perhaps a forward-reference is in order. > > [RJ] Added a forward-reference. > > Section 4.3.4 > > It seems that the "Reserved" field should be called "Flags", since a registry is being created for it. > > [RJ] Yes, changed the "Reserved" field name to "Flags" in both the figure as well as the description below. > > (I trust that the language about the D flag and DODAGID optionality from Barry's ballot thread is consistent between DCO and DCO-ACK.) > > [RJ] Yes the DODAGID optionality statement is fixed in both the places as per Barry's suggestion. Thanks for reminding about the two places to fix. > > Section 4.4 > > 1. If a node sends a DCO message with newer or different information > than the prior DCO message transmission, it MUST increment the > DCOSequence field by at least one. A DCO message transmission > that is identical to the prior DCO message transmission MAY > increment the DCOSequence field. > > While reading up to this point I managed to confuse myself about Path Sequence (which must be consistent from DAO to DCO) and the separate DAOSequence and DCOSequence fields. To check my (less confused) understanding, I guess if I could over-summarize, Path Sequence is like a generation counter for a given node's position in the routing topology, and the other two are for managing retransmission/ack of the respective update messages. So if that mental model is correct, then there's not any value from trying to introduce a shared sequence number space for DCO and DAO, even though they are frequently going to be generated at the same time, especially since they have different recipients. Right? > > [RJ] The DAOSequence and DCOSequence are not dependent on each other at all. > Yes, the DAO could be generated and DCO could be generated at the same time for > different recipients. Thanks for confirming. > I do agree with the other discussion that we need clarity about whether the increment is exactly one or larger values are allowed (plus, presumably, whether the recipient should infer anything from a sequence number gap). I do note that these are expected to be "lollipop sequence counters" per RFC 6550. > > [RJ] This will be fixed i.e., we will make it explicit about the sequence > counter operation and add a ref to the corresponding section in 6550. > > 4. A node receiving a unicast DCO message with the 'K' flag set > SHOULD respond with a DCO-ACK. A node receiving a DCO message > without the 'K' flag set MAY respond with a DCO-ACK, especially > to report an error condition. > > This seems redundant with Section 4.3's "A node receiving a DCO message without the 'K' flag set MAY respond with a DCO-ACK, especially to report an error condition." > > [RJ] Yes it is redundant. But i feel it is better to have it in both places. > The statements are consistent with each other. Okay. (I only mention it because we generally try to take note of such redundancy; it's only a problem in practice when the two statements don't quite agree with each other and there's no way to tell which one is correct.) > Section 4.4 > > The scope of DCOSequence values is unique to each node. > > recipient or originator? > > [RJ] Changed this to, "The scope of DCOSequence values is unique to the node > which generates it." > > Section 4.5 > > path on behalf of the target entry. The 6LR has all the state > information namely, the Target address and the Path Sequence, > > nit: comma before "namely". > > [RJ] Fixed > > Section 4.6.2 > > Even with the changed semantics, the current NPDAO mechanism in > [RFC6550] can still be used, for example, when the route lifetime > expiry of the target happens or when the node simply decides to > gracefully terminate the RPL session on graceful node shutdown. > > Er, what changed semantics? This document does not have an Updates: > relationship to any other document. > > [RJ] I have reworded the section removing the statement, "Even with the changed > semantics". Also (I believe) the section is more readable now. Great :) > Section 4.6.3 > > Note that there is no requirement of synchronization between DCO and > DAOs. The DelayDCO timer simply ensures that the DCO control > overhead can be reduced and is only needed when the network contains > nodes using multiple preferred parent. > > This ("no requirement of synchronization") is because the benefit of DCO is in expiring routes faster than their normal expiration time to save local storage, rather than to provide synchronous route migration? (It might be worth reiterating, if you want.) > > [RJ] Sorry, but i didn't understand this. I didn't understand why the statement > "the benefits of DCO is in expiring routes faster than their normal expiration > time ...." should be mentioned in this context? NPDAO and DCO both are > proactive route invalidation messaging techniques and they both help in expiring > routes faster than their normal expiration times. DCO simply is more reliable > due to its use on more reliable links. Sorry for being unclear. I was not proposing any text changes here, just trying to check my understanding about "no requirement of synchronization". But basically I think it's all just "both NPDAO and DCO are both ways to expire cached information quickly when it becomes invalid, and if either one works we have succeeded; we don't need both to reach any given node". > Section 7 > > This document introduces the ability for a common ancestor node to > invalidate a route on behalf of the target node. The common ancestor > node is directed to do so by the target node using the 'I' flag in > DCO's Transit Information Option. However, the common ancestor node > > nit(?): there's perhaps some wordsmithing possible about "is directed to do so", given the next sentence and Section 4.5. > > [RJ] I changed the statement, "The common ancestor node is directed to do so by > the target node ..." to "The common ancestor node could be directed to do so by > the target node ..." > > is also met. Having said that a malicious 6LR may spoof a DAO on > behalf of the (sub) child with the I-flag set and can cause route > invalidation on behalf of the (sub) child node. > > IIUC, such a malicious 6LR might also spoof a DAO even without this mechanism (to invalidate the "proper" Path Sequence) or otherwise cause denial of service by dropping traffic entirely, so perhaps we want to add another clause ", so this new mechanism does not present a substantially increased risk of disruption". > > [RJ] Reworded and added new statements based on your suggestions to this para. > > This document assumes that the security mechanisms as defined in > [RFC6550] are followed, which means that the common ancestor node and > all the 6LRs are part of the RPL network because they have the > required credentials. A non-secure RPL network needs to take into > consideration the risks highlighted in this section. > > I'd consider adding "as well as those highlighted in [RFC6550]" to the end. > > [RJ] Added the mentioned words to the end of the para. > > Appendix A.1 > > 6. Node G receives the DCO(tgt=D,pathseq=x+1). It checks if the > received path sequence is latest as compared to the stored path > sequence. If it is latest, Node G invalidates routing entry of > target D and forwards the (un)reachability information downstream > to B in DCO(tgt=D,pathseq=x+1). > > This wording of "latest as compared to" feels unusual to me; I would have expected "is later than the stored path sequence" and "If it is later", but perhaps there is a convention here that I'm missing. > > [RJ] I could not find a general convention here (after checking in 6550), so I > changed it per your suggestion to use "later" in both the statements. > > nit: "invalidates the routing entry" > > [RJ] Fixed. > > 9. The propagation of the DCO will stop at any node where the node > does not have an routing information associated with the target. > If the routing information is present and its Path Sequence is > higher, then still the DCO is dropped. > > nit: maybye reword to "If cached routing information is present and the cached Path Sequence is higher than the value in the DCO, then the DCO is dropped". > > [RJ] This sounds lot better. Thanks for the text. > > Appendix A.2 > > I feel like we should probably mention the DelayDAO timer as well as the DelayDCO one. > > I think this is a side note, but it seems like the timer mechanism for DelayDAO (and by extension, DelayDCO) are a bit fragile, as one party has to wait for the full timeout before sending the message (e.g., N22 in this example) that the other party is waiting the timeout to receive (e.g., N11). So it seems like we are still susceptible to transport delay/jitter and race conditions at some point in the network, even if it's not the next-hop of the target node. But if that's a property of DelayDAO from RFC 6550, it doesn't really make sense to try to address it in this document (and it's also possible I misunderstand the situation). > > [RJ] DelayDAO and DelayDCO are mechanisms to reduce the control overhead in the > network. If an implementation chooses not to use it, it will still work ok, > albeit with more control overhead. Yes the DelayDCO is modeled similar to > DelayDAO and it is expected that a node simply waits for the timer to expire > before it could start sending the corresponding message (DCO is this case, DAO > in case of 6550). I am not fully sure if I completely understand what you mean > by "susceptibility to transport delay/jitter" but i understand that there could > be race conditions. If the race conditions happen the worst case problem would > be slightly more control overhead. Race condition would not result in invalid > states on any nodes. I'm happy to trust that you've thought about the race conditions and they don't cause any real problems. For completeness, though, I was just considering the case when the DAO from N22 to N11 arrives before/after the timout fires on N11, whether N11 would then try to send a DCO down and what would happen then. Thanks for all the updates! -Ben From nobody Wed Jul 3 02:17:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF9E1201DD; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FPCxehYZEGrK; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F3F2120183; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45dwVN73DjzyXq; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:17:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 583838234.7856981-cc7c803bb52d86bee8aa9ee10230bfc9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:17:16 +0200 To: lo <6lo@ietf.org>, tisch <6tisch@ietf.org>, lp-wan , lwip@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF105: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 09:17:21 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF105. Remember that, even though this will now go to the printers, there is still some potential for changes. Conflicts that meet the eye: COSE/TEEP stays; ROLL/SUIT/DINRG and 6TISCH/ACE are maybe slightly less annoying. LAKE and LOOPS have been disentangled, thank you. I have put in some side meetings, but that picture may still change (and I don't understand the timezone logic of that system, so it may be all wrong). All times are EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) =3D=3D UTC -4 hours. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, July 19, 2019 -- OMA/T2TRG Work Meeting - @ Ericsson Montreal Office (St-Laurent) SATURDAY/SUNDAY, July 20/21, 2019 -- Hackathon (including various interops) - Centre Ville SUNDAY, July 21, 2019 -- Sun 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Place du Canada -- Sun 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks - Viger MONDAY, July 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Van Horne SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG St-Catherine SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Laurier TSV loops Local Optimizations on Path Segments BOF 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I St-Catherine INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Place du Canada SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Van Horne TSV taps Transport Services WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Laurier ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG St-Catherine OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Van Horne SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = BOF 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Laurier ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA TUESDAY, July 23, 2019 0830-0945 Side Meetings / Open Time C2 (21st Floor) IoT Onboarding and MUD (0900..1030?) 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Wed, 03 Jul 2019 14:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:58:38 -0700 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:58:38 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo@ietf.org, Peter van der Stok , roll-chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b68026058ccdf62c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] 6LoRH type in useofRPLinfo X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:58:45 -0000 --000000000000b68026058ccdf62c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pascal: We=E2=80=99re already at version -30. Please take a look at the text there= =E2=80=94 the figure in the corresponding section (=C2=A74.3) now looks like this: +-+ ... -+-+-...-+-+-- ... -+-+-+-+- ... -+-+ ... -+-+-+ ... -+-+-+... |11110001| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| Compressed | UDP |Page 1 | 6LoRH | 6LoRH | LOWPAN_IPHC | UDP | UDP header | Payld +-+ ... -+-+-...-+-+-- ... -+-+-+-+- ... -+-+ ... -+-+-+ ... -+-+-+... Is that correct? If not, please provide an update. I am getting ready to approve this document. I am changing the state to =E2=80=9CRevised-ID Needed=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 let me know if a change is= not needed. Thanks! Alvaro. On July 2, 2019 at 10:14:53 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ( pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: Dear all Actually since there is only one entry in the SRH the drawing in fig 20 of RFC 8138 must be adapted for a size of 0 (meaning 1 entry) and a total length of 4 octets. +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP |Page 1 |Type1 S=3D0| 6LoRH | 6LoRH |LOWPAN_IPHC| UDP | hdr |Payld +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... <-4bytes-> <- RFC 6282 -> No RPL artifact All the best, Pascal *From:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) *Sent:* mardi 2 juillet 2019 16:07 *To:* 'Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks' *Subject:* 6LoRH type in useofRPLinfo Dear all Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 I think we made a mistake in Fig 3: The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presented as: +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI-6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC| +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meaning the RPI is before the IP-in-IP: +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP |Page 1 |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH | 6LoRH |LOWPAN_IPHC| UDP | hdr |Payld +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... <-8bytes-> <- RFC 6282 -> No RPL artifact Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing the IP-in-IP removes everything left of it including RPI. What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at the LOWPAN_IPHC. What=E2=80=99s worth noting is that in Storing Mode the SRH contains the ad= dress of the 6LR that decapsulates. IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whereas the root is the source so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is elided=E2=80=A6 All the best, Pascal _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --000000000000b68026058ccdf62c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Pascal:

We=E2=80=99re already at version -30.=C2=A0 Please take a l= ook at the text there =E2=80=94 the figure in the corresponding section (= =C2=A74.3) now looks like this:

 +-+ ... -+-+-...-+-+-- ... -+-+-+-+- ... -+-+ .=
.. -+-+-+ ... -+-+-+...
 |11110001| RPI-  | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1        |11110CPP| Compressed | UDP
 |Page 1  | 6LoRH |  6LoRH   | LOWPAN_IPHC | UDP    | UDP header | Payld
 +-+ ... -+-+-...-+-+-- ... -+-+-+-+- ... -+-+ ... -+-+-+ ... -+-+-+...


Is that correct?  If not, please provide an update.
= 
I am getting ready to appro=
ve this document.  I am changing the state to =E2=80=9CRevised-ID Needed=E2=
=80=9D =E2=80=94 let me know if a change is not needed.
Thanks!
Alvaro.

On July 2, 2019 at 10:14:53 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthuber= t) (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote:

Dear all

=C2=A0

Actually since there is only one entry in the SRH th= e drawing in fig 20 of RFC 8138 must be adapted for a size of 0 (meaning 1 = entry) and a total length of 4 octets.

=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
+-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...=

 |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI-=C2=A0 | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP
 |Page 1=C2=A0 |Type1 S=3D0| 6LoRH |=C2=A0 6LoRH=C2=A0=C2=A0 |LOWPAN_I=
PHC| UDP=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | hdr |Payld
 +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-..=
.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<-4byte=
s->=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFC 6282=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ->
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No RPL arti=
fact

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

All the best,

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Dear all

=C2=A0

Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 I think we = made a mistake in Fig 3:

=C2=A0

The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presente= d as:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+----= -------+-----------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0 |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI= -6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC|

=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+----= -------+-----------+

=C2=A0

But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meani= ng the RPI is before the IP-in-IP:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0
+-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...=

 |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI-=C2=A0 | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP
 |Page 1=C2=A0 |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH |=C2=A0 6LoRH=C2=A0=C2=A0 |LOWPAN_I=
PHC| UDP=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | hdr |Payld
 +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-..=
.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <=
;-8bytes->=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFC 6282=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ->
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No RPL arti=
fact
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH

=C2=A0

Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing = the IP-in-IP removes everything left of it including RPI.

What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at th= e LOWPAN_IPHC.

What=E2=80=99s worth noting is that in Storing Mode = the SRH contains the address of the 6LR that decapsulates.

IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whe= reas the root is the source so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is el= ided=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

All the best,

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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<= /body> --000000000000b68026058ccdf62c-- From nobody Wed Jul 3 17:59:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D371200D7; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:59:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <156220197695.11994.16601000601754330125@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 17:59:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 00:59:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Efficient Route Invalidation Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Rabi Narayan Sahoo Zhen Cao Filename : draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-07-03 Abstract: This document explains the problems associated with the current use of NPDAO messaging and also discusses the requirements for an optimized route invalidation messaging scheme. Further a new proactive route invalidation message called as "Destination Cleanup Object" (DCO) is specified which fulfills requirements of an optimized route invalidation messaging. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jul 3 18:05:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40AF120179; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JZna3TOVMguw; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ECC91200D7; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 1C4F6F11D50450B9148A; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:05:13 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml712-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.63) by LHREML710-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:05:12 +0100 Received: from lhreml712-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.63) by lhreml712-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.63) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:05:12 +0100 Received: from BLREML701-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.170) by lhreml712-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.63) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:05:12 +0100 Received: from BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.9.50]) by blreml701-cah.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 06:35:01 +0530 From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav To: Benjamin Kaduk CC: The IESG , "draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org" , Peter Van der Stok , "aretana.ietf@gmail.com" , "roll-chairs@ietf.org" , "roll@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-12: (with COMMENT) Thread-Index: AQHVK7Xi/CWQui2aBEWZkjjOk8ibZKa06qOAgAJLZICAAmwboA== Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 01:05:01 +0000 Message-ID: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF2EA62@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <156150881090.31233.460341246895590440.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF26D0C@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <20190702164014.GT13810@kduck.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190702164014.GT13810@kduck.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-IN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.109.81] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 01:05:20 -0000 Thank you Benjamin for the clarifications and rsp confirmations. Also please find my reply [RJ] inline for the scenario you mentioned. Thanks, Rahul >=20 > I think this is a side note, but it seems like the timer mechanism for De= layDAO (and by extension, DelayDCO) are a bit fragile, as one party has to = wait for the full timeout before sending the message (e.g., N22 in this exa= mple) that the other party is waiting the timeout to receive (e.g., N11). = So it seems like we are still susceptible to transport delay/jitter and rac= e conditions at some point in the network, even if it's not the next-hop of= the target node. But if that's a property of DelayDAO from RFC 6550, it d= oesn't really make sense to try to address it in this document (and it's al= so possible I misunderstand the situation). >=20 > [RJ] DelayDAO and DelayDCO are mechanisms to reduce the control=20 > overhead in the network. If an implementation chooses not to use it,=20 > it will still work ok, albeit with more control overhead. Yes the=20 > DelayDCO is modeled similar to DelayDAO and it is expected that a node=20 > simply waits for the timer to expire before it could start sending the=20 > corresponding message (DCO is this case, DAO in case of 6550). I am=20 > not fully sure if I completely understand what you mean by=20 > "susceptibility to transport delay/jitter" but i understand that there=20 > could be race conditions. If the race conditions happen the worst case=20 > problem would be slightly more control overhead. Race condition would not= result in invalid states on any nodes. I'm happy to trust that you've thought about the race conditions and they d= on't cause any real problems. For completeness, though, I was just conside= ring the case when the DAO from N22 to N11 arrives before/after the timout = fires on N11, whether N11 would then try to send a DCO down and what would = happen then. [RJ] As you mentioned, there are two scenarios possible: 1. If the DAO from N22 to N11 arrives _before_ the DelayDCO timeout fires o= n N11 This is the regular positive case. The DelayDCO timer is defined so that N1= 1 should be able to receive DAO from all possible paths before taking any a= ction for route invalidation. If the DAO is received before DCO timer fires= then the routes are updates from all possible paths (by receiving DAOs fro= m all possible paths) and thus the DCO should not be sent down. 2. If the DAO from N22 to N11 arrives _after_ the timeout fires on N11 This is the case where an unnecessary DCO will be generated by N11 because = N11 has not still received the DAOs from all possible paths. In this case D= CO will initiate route invalidation along the path through N22 and the segm= ent which has not received updated DAO will be marked for invalidation. But= as soon as the new DAO reaches the paths would be updated again. So barrin= g the unwanted control overhead of a DCO message, the routing state would b= e consistent once the new DAO is received from all paths. The second scenario was not explicitly covered in the document even though = the handling was present. I thought it would be better to put this explicit= text after your comment. I have added following in Section 4.6.3 : " It is still possible that a DCO is generated before all the updated=09 DAOs from all the paths are received. In this case, the ancestor=09 node would start the invalidation procedure for paths from which the=09 updated DAO is not received. The DCO generated in this case would=09 start invalidating the segments along these paths on which the=09 updated DAOs are not received. But once the DAO reaches these=09 segments, the routing state would be updated along these segments and= =09 should not lead to any inconsistent routing state." 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The table name in Section 6.2. was incorrect ... Before: DCO Status Code= s .... After correction: DCO-ACK Status Codes 2. Benjamin Kaduk mentioned a scenario which is now explicitly described in= the document. Regards, Rahul -----Original Message----- From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: 04 July 2019 09:00 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF. Title : Efficient Route Invalidation Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Rabi Narayan Sahoo Zhen Cao Filename : draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2019-07-03 Abstract: This document explains the problems associated with the current use of NPDAO messaging and also discusses the requirements for an optimized route invalidation messaging scheme. Further a new proactive route invalidation message called as "Destination Cleanup Object" (DCO) is specified which fulfills requirements of an optimized route invalidation messaging. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thu, 04 Jul 2019 03:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 06:44:03 -0400 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF0BFA2@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 06:44:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001224a6058cd8a8fa" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 10:44:08 -0000 --0000000000001224a6058cd8a8fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ( pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: Hi! RPL is designed to operate in very different environment, and some LLNs can be very slow, very lossy or even both. This is why RFC 6550 refrains from being too specific. Maybe it is good enough to add text indicating that the values used for DCO are expected to be similar/consistent with those used in DAO? I agree with Pascal. In fact, the diversity of environments not only makes it very hard to be too specific, but it is one of the reasons the WG has produced Applicability Statements for them: not all deployments are the same. Thanks! Alvaro. --0000000000001224a6058cd8a8fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthuber= t) (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote:

Hi!

RPL is designed to oper= ate in very different environment, and some LLNs can be very slow, very los= sy or even both. This is why RFC 6550 refrains from being too specific.

=

Maybe it is goo= d enough to add text indicating that the values used for DCO are expected t= o be similar/consistent with those used in DAO?

I agree with Pascal.=C2=A0 In fact, th= e diversity of environments not only makes it very hard to be too specific,= but it is one of the reasons the WG has produced Applicability Statements = for them: not all deployments are the same.

Thanks!

Alvaro.
--0000000000001224a6058cd8a8fa-- From nobody Thu Jul 4 04:05:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D7B120183 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 04:05:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2cqljQkq3Gqn for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 04:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7E7A12003F for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 04:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 200116b82ccfc400fd192d294e4f8a25.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2ccf:c400:fd19:2d29:4e4f:8a25]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1hizXo-0000HF-5s; Thu, 04 Jul 2019 13:04:52 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:04:51 +0200 Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <781F0E6E-5F97-49C4-8E5C-3933088D87E7@kuehlewind.net> References: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF0BFA2@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> To: Alvaro Retana , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1562238298;a003cc3b; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hizXo-0000HF-5s Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 11:05:00 -0000 Hi, My request wasn=E2=80=99t to specify this in detail for every scenario, = it was to set boundaries about what's safe to do. The 3 seconds I = mentions are the recommendation given in RFC8085, however, if you have a = good reason to use different values that possible but it would be good = to provide more reasoning then about when it is still safe to use the = values and when it should be avoided. Mirja > On 4. Jul 2019, at 12:44, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >=20 > On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: >=20 > Hi! >=20 >> RPL is designed to operate in very different environment, and some = LLNs can be very slow, very lossy or even both. This is why RFC 6550 = refrains from being too specific. >> Maybe it is good enough to add text indicating that the values used = for DCO are expected to be similar/consistent with those used in DAO? > I agree with Pascal. 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Thu, 04 Jul 2019 13:27:42 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:27:42 +0200 Cc: Alvaro Retana , Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <40B8B554-40C5-43E8-ACB0-C10F89C085EA@kuehlewind.net> References: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF0BFA2@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <781F0E6E-5F97-49C4-8E5C-3933088D87E7@kuehlewind.net> To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1562239665;9c3d8088; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hiztu-0001Hi-Vg Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 11:27:48 -0000 I think that is also a good additional to have. I would recommend to = discus the boundaries in both directions: what the maximum rate I should = ever to for in order to not permanently overload the network and what = are the usual considerations to set these parameters correctly for my = use case. Mirja > On 4. Jul 2019, at 13:22, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > You have a point there, Mirja. >=20 > UDP over LLNs may have to live with durations that are 1 to 2 orders = of magnitude longer than usual in more classical links these days. It = can take a minute and more to get a message through.=20 >=20 > So yes, a bit of text that says that the typical latencies and = turn-around-trip delays observed on the Internet and the default = settings that derive from that may not apply in LLNs and need to be = revisited depending on the link type and the number of hops in case of a = mesh network. >=20 > Is that what you are indicating to us? >=20 > Pascal >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mirja Kuehlewind >> Sent: jeudi 4 juillet 2019 13:05 >> To: Alvaro Retana ; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> >> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> My request wasn=E2=80=99t to specify this in detail for every = scenario, it was to set >> boundaries about what's safe to do. The 3 seconds I mentions are the >> recommendation given in RFC8085, however, if you have a good reason = to use >> different values that possible but it would be good to provide more = reasoning >> then about when it is still safe to use the values and when it should = be >> avoided. >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 12:44, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi! >>>=20 >>>> RPL is designed to operate in very different environment, and some = LLNs >> can be very slow, very lossy or even both. This is why RFC 6550 = refrains from >> being too specific. >>>> Maybe it is good enough to add text indicating that the values used = for DCO >> are expected to be similar/consistent with those used in DAO? >>> I agree with Pascal. In fact, the diversity of environments not = only makes it >> very hard to be too specific, but it is one of the reasons the WG has = produced >> Applicability Statements for them: not all deployments are the same. >>>=20 >>> Thanks! >>>=20 >>> Alvaro. >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Jul 4 04:37:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D086120048; Thu, 4 Jul 2019 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <156224025640.12345.1379315910696899592@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 04:37:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 11:37:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Routing for RPL Leaves Author : Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2019-07-04 Abstract: This specification leverages 6LoWPAN ND to provide a unicast and multicast routing service in a RPL domain to 6LNs that do not participate to RPL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Authors : Maria Ines Robles Michael C. Richardson Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-31.txt Pages : 54 Date : 2019-07-04 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPL Option Type), RFC6554 (Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required in data plane. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. This document updates RFC6553 adding a change to the RPL Option Type. 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Thank you very much Pascal for improving the document. Best regards, Ines. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:07 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Dear all > > > > Reviewing again > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 I think we > made a mistake in Fig 3: > > > > The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presented as: > > > > +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ > > |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI-6LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC| > > +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+ > > > > But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meaning the RPI is before > the IP-in-IP: > > > > > > +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... > > |11110001|SRH-6LoRH| RPI- | IP-in-IP | NH=3D1 |11110CPP| UDP | UDP > > |Page 1 |Type1 S=3D2| 6LoRH | 6LoRH |LOWPAN_IPHC| UDP | hdr |Payl= d > > +-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+-- ... -+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-... > > <-8bytes-> <- RFC 6282 -> > > No RPL artifact > > > > Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH > > > > Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing the IP-in-IP removes > everything left of it including RPI. > > What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at the LOWPAN_IPHC. > > What=E2=80=99s worth noting is that in Storing Mode the SRH contains the = address > of the 6LR that decapsulates. > > IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whereas the root is the > source so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is elided=E2=80=A6 > > > > All the best, > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000895c41058cdacd0d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

Version 31 adds more clarification on this item.
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Thank you very much Pascal for improving the document.
=

Best regards,

Ines.

On Tu= e, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:07 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear all

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Reviewing again https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 I think we made a mistake in Fig= 3:

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The format of RFC 8138 compressed packet is presente= d as:

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=C2=A0=C2=A0 |1 | 0|0 |TSE| 6LoRH Type 6 | Hop Limit | RPI-6= LoRH |LOWPAN IPHC|

=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--+-----+---+--------------+-----------+------= -----+-----------+

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But it should really be as fig 20 in RFC 8138, meani= ng the RPI is before the IP-in-IP:

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+-+ ... -+-+ ... +-+- ... -+-+- ... +-+-+-+ ... +-+-+ ... -+ ... +-...=

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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 RFC 6282=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ->
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No RPL arti=
fact
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 20: Example Compressed Packet with SRH=

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Data is removed from the left as consumed. Removing = the IP-in-IP removes everything left of it including RPI.

What gets forwarded to the unaware leaf starts at th= e LOWPAN_IPHC.

What=E2=80=99s worth noting is that in Storing Mode = the SRH contains the address of the 6LR that decapsulates.

IOW the SRH encodes the destination of IP-in-IP, whe= reas the root is the source so the encapsulator in the IP-in-IP 6LoRH is el= ided=E2=80=A6

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All the best,

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Pascal

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1hjOKL-0007qD-0S Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 13:32:45 -0000 Hi all, RFC8085 recommend a maximum sending of one packet per 3 sec (if the RTT = is unknown). This seems to be also a plausible mininum retry interval = for your scenarios described below. Can we just add that as a = requirement (as original proposed in my discuss)? Also would be okay to define the maximum of 6 retries as a requirement? Mirja > On 5. Jul 2019, at 14:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Looks good to me, Rahul >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Pascal >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav >> Sent: vendredi 5 juillet 2019 14:30 >> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks ; Mirja >> K=C3=BChlewind ; Alvaro Retana = >> Subject: RE: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>=20 >> Can we add something like; >>=20 >> The DCO retry time should be dependent on the maximum depth of the >> network and average per hop latency. Thus this could range from 2 sec = to 120 >> seconds depending on the deployment. The number of retries could be = set >> between 2 to 6 depending upon how critical the route invalidation = could be >> for the deployment and the link layer retry configuration. For = networks >> supporting only MP2P and P2MP flows, such as in AMI and telemetry >> applications, the 6LRs may not be very keen to invalidate routes, = unless they >> are highly memory-constrained. For home and building automation = networks, >> with P2P traffic, the 6LRs might be keen to invalidate efficiently = because it >> may additionally impact the forwarding efficiency. >> Note that the DCO might in turn be retried at link layer if link = layer supports >> Ack for unicast packets. In such cases where link layer employs = retry- >> mechanism for unicast packets, retrying more than 3 times may not be >> necessary, depending on link layer retry configuration. >>=20 >> Any thoughts? >>=20 >> Regards, >> Rahul >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja = Kuehlewind >> Sent: 04 July 2019 19:28 >> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>=20 >> I think that is also a good additional to have. I would recommend to = discus >> the boundaries in both directions: what the maximum rate I should = ever to >> for in order to not permanently overload the network and what are the = usual >> considerations to set these parameters correctly for my use case. >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 13:22, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> You have a point there, Mirja. >>>=20 >>> UDP over LLNs may have to live with durations that are 1 to 2 orders = of >> magnitude longer than usual in more classical links these days. It = can take a >> minute and more to get a message through. >>>=20 >>> So yes, a bit of text that says that the typical latencies and = turn-around-trip >> delays observed on the Internet and the default settings that derive = from that >> may not apply in LLNs and need to be revisited depending on the link = type >> and the number of hops in case of a mesh network. >>>=20 >>> Is that what you are indicating to us? >>>=20 >>> Pascal >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Mirja Kuehlewind >>>> Sent: jeudi 4 juillet 2019 13:05 >>>> To: Alvaro Retana ; Pascal Thubert = (pthubert) >>>> >>>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>>> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> My request wasn=E2=80=99t to specify this in detail for every = scenario, it >>>> was to set boundaries about what's safe to do. The 3 seconds I >>>> mentions are the recommendation given in RFC8085, however, if you >>>> have a good reason to use different values that possible but it = would >>>> be good to provide more reasoning then about when it is still safe = to >>>> use the values and when it should be avoided. >>>>=20 >>>> Mirja >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 12:44, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>>> (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi! >>>>>=20 >>>>>> RPL is designed to operate in very different environment, and = some >>>>>> LLNs >>>> can be very slow, very lossy or even both. This is why RFC 6550 >>>> refrains from being too specific. >>>>>> Maybe it is good enough to add text indicating that the values = used >>>>>> for DCO >>>> are expected to be similar/consistent with those used in DAO? >>>>> I agree with Pascal. In fact, the diversity of environments not >>>>> only makes it >>>> very hard to be too specific, but it is one of the reasons the WG = has >>>> produced Applicability Statements for them: not all deployments are = the >> same. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks! >>>>>=20 >>>>> Alvaro. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Sun Jul 7 01:30:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819F8120324 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2019 01:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by 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X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.109.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF34E04BLREML503MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] turnon-8138 review X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 00:40:25 -0000 --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF34E04BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Authors, Following is my review of draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-02: Section 5.4. "Rolling Back", says, the administrator SHOULD make sure that = all nodes have converged to the "T" flag reset before allowing nodes that d= o not support the compression in the network. [RJ] How would a root know that all the nodes have accepted the T-reset? Do= esn't this require use of capability flag ? Also I'm not sure if the same c= apability flag used before can be used here? Section 5.3. "Double Instance Scenario", says that nodes that do not suppor= t 8138 would either not be configured for the new instance, or would be con= figured to join it as leaves only. [RJ] Thus I believe there is some non-RPL management involved to tell the l= egacy nodes to not join the Instance-with-T-flag. Section 5.2. "Single Instance Scenario", The root encapsulates packets to t= he leaves all the way to the parent, which decapsulates and distribute the = uncompresses inner packet to the leaf. [RJ] When it says encapsulate/decapsulate, it means IP-in-IP encapsulation/= decapsulation, right? Section 4. "Updating RFC 8138" [RJ] I didn't find any updates to 8138! I believe the text in the section d= oes not result in 8138 update. Regards, Rahul --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF34E04BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Authors,

 

Following is my review of draft-thubert-roll-turnon-= rfc8138-02:

 

Section 5.4. “Rolling Back”, says, the a= dministrator SHOULD make sure that all nodes have converged to the “T= ” flag reset before allowing nodes that do not support the compressio= n in the network.

[RJ] How would a root know that all the nodes have a= ccepted the T-reset? Doesn't this require use of capability flag ? Also I&#= 8217;m not sure if the same capability flag used before can be used here?

 

Section 5.3. “Double Instance Scenario”,= says that nodes that do not support 8138 would either not be configured fo= r the new instance, or would be configured to join it as leaves only.<= /o:p>

[RJ] Thus I believe there is some non-RPL management= involved to tell the legacy nodes to not join the Instance-with-T-flag.

 

Section 5.2. “Single Instance Scenario”,= The root encapsulates packets to the leaves all the way to the parent, whi= ch decapsulates and distribute the uncompresses inner packet to the leaf.

[RJ] When it says encapsulate/decapsulate, it means = IP-in-IP encapsulation/decapsulation, right?

 

Section 4. “Updating RFC 8138”

[RJ] I didn't find any updates to 8138! I believe th= e text in the section does not result in 8138 update.

 

Regards,

Rahul

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Please let me know if I missed something. All the best, Pascal From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav Sent: lundi 8 juillet 2019 02:40 To: draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138@ietf.org Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: turnon-8138 review Hello Authors, Following is my review of draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-02: Section 5.4. "Rolling Back", says, the administrator SHOULD make sure that = all nodes have converged to the "T" flag reset before allowing nodes that d= o not support the compression in the network. [RJ] How would a root know that all the nodes have accepted the T-reset? Do= esn't this require use of capability flag ? Also I'm not sure if the same c= apability flag used before can be used here? Section 5.3. "Double Instance Scenario", says that nodes that do not suppor= t 8138 would either not be configured for the new instance, or would be con= figured to join it as leaves only. [RJ] Thus I believe there is some non-RPL management involved to tell the l= egacy nodes to not join the Instance-with-T-flag. Section 5.2. "Single Instance Scenario", The root encapsulates packets to t= he leaves all the way to the parent, which decapsulates and distribute the = uncompresses inner packet to the leaf. [RJ] When it says encapsulate/decapsulate, it means IP-in-IP encapsulation/= decapsulation, right? Section 4. "Updating RFC 8138" [RJ] I didn't find any updates to 8138! I believe the text in the section d= oes not result in 8138 update. Regards, Rahul --_000_MN2PR11MB3565CDAD9BD6E7A9F7232A84D8F60MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Rahul and all:

 

I published 03

 

Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138=

Diff:       &n= bsp;   https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03

 

To address your comments. Please let me know if I mi= ssed something.

 

All the best,

 

Pascal

 

From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav <rahul.jadhav@hu= awei.com>
Sent: lundi 8 juillet 2019 02:40
To: draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138@ietf.org
Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: turnon-8138 review

 

Hello Authors,

 

Following is my review of draft-thubert-roll-turnon-= rfc8138-02:

 

Section 5.4. “Rolling Back”, says, the a= dministrator SHOULD make sure that all nodes have converged to the “T= ” flag reset before allowing nodes that do not support the compressio= n in the network.

[RJ] How would a root know that all the nodes have a= ccepted the T-reset? Doesn't this require use of capability flag ? Also I&#= 8217;m not sure if the same capability flag used before can be used here?

 

Section 5.3. “Double Instance Scenario”,= says that nodes that do not support 8138 would either not be configured fo= r the new instance, or would be configured to join it as leaves only.<= /o:p>

[RJ] Thus I believe there is some non-RPL management= involved to tell the legacy nodes to not join the Instance-with-T-flag.

 

Section 5.2. “Single Instance Scenario”,= The root encapsulates packets to the leaves all the way to the parent, whi= ch decapsulates and distribute the uncompresses inner packet to the leaf.

[RJ] When it says encapsulate/decapsulate, it means = IP-in-IP encapsulation/decapsulation, right?

 

Section 4. “Updating RFC 8138”

[RJ] I didn't find any updates to 8138! I believe th= e text in the section does not result in 8138 update.

 

Regards,

Rahul

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Mon, 08 Jul 2019 11:30:31 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF34984@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:30:31 +0200 Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , Alvaro Retana Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4FA6D31C-723F-4D6A-B084-569B7B467EF9@kuehlewind.net> References: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF0BFA2@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <781F0E6E-5F97-49C4-8E5C-3933088D87E7@kuehlewind.net> <40B8B554-40C5-43E8-ACB0-C10F89C085EA@kuehlewind.net> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF30F64@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> <1AC88ACD-4A7F-4E72-97E5-84548BC78557@kuehlewind.net> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF34984@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> To: Rahul Arvind Jadhav X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1562578236;358ef910; X-HE-SMSGID: 1hkPyh-00059V-TH Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:30:39 -0000 Hi Rahul, Please see inline. > On 7. Jul 2019, at 10:29, Rahul Arvind Jadhav = wrote: >=20 > Hi Mirja, >=20 > Thank you for the ref. >=20 > I would like to confirm my understanding of RFC 8085 in this context = (just to check if I am on the same page). >=20 > Section 3.1.3. "Low Data-Volume Applications" in bullet point 2 states = that, if the application does not have a way to infer RTT for congestion = control handling (because there is no return traffic from the = destination), then it states, > "Such applications SHOULD NOT send more than one UDP datagram every 3 = seconds and SHOULD use an even less aggressive rate when possible. = Shorter values are likely problematic in many cases.=E2=80=9D Yes, that=E2=80=99s the text I was talking about. >=20 > My inference from above statement is; use as less aggressive rate as = possible and whatever the case, cap the sending rate to once per 3 = second. > There is no ref on how 3 second rate was arrived at, so could not get = into more details. Yes, that is a value that is deemed to be safe as the rate is quite low, = however, it is well understood that different scenarios have different = constraints and it is hard to give an ultimate number. >=20 > In the text that I suggested, the statement, " Thus this could range = from 2 sec to 120 seconds depending on the deployment" provides a = max/min rate. Do you think I should add something like? > "Thus this could range from 2 sec to 120 seconds depending on the = deployment. In case the latency limits are not known, an implementation = SHOULD NOT retry DCO more than once in 3 seconds.=E2=80=9D Yes, that what I was looking for. I think you can even go for "MUST = NOT=E2=80=9D because this is also restricted to the case where latency = limits are unknown. If you want, you can cite RFC8085 to given more = reasoning for the exact value, however, you don=E2=80=99t have to. Do you think it would also be possible to state a clear requirement for = the maximum number of retries? Mirja >=20 > I like this better. >=20 > In your earlier mail, there were two questions,=20 > 1. What is the max rate to be used so as not to overload the network? > 2. What are the usual considerations/reasoning? > This update and the proposed new para should answer both these = questions. >=20 > Kindly let us know your thoughts. >=20 > Thanks, > Rahul >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]=20 > Sent: 05 July 2019 21:33 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Cc: Rahul Arvind Jadhav ; Routing Over Low = power and Lossy networks ; Alvaro Retana = > Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > RFC8085 recommend a maximum sending of one packet per 3 sec (if the = RTT is unknown). This seems to be also a plausible mininum retry = interval for your scenarios described below. Can we just add that as a = requirement (as original proposed in my discuss)? >=20 > Also would be okay to define the maximum of 6 retries as a = requirement? >=20 > Mirja >=20 >=20 >> On 5. Jul 2019, at 14:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >>=20 >> Looks good to me, Rahul >>=20 >> All the best, >>=20 >> Pascal >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav >>> Sent: vendredi 5 juillet 2019 14:30 >>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks ; Mirja=20= >>> K=C3=BChlewind ; Alvaro Retana=20 >>> >>> Subject: RE: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>=20 >>> Can we add something like; >>>=20 >>> The DCO retry time should be dependent on the maximum depth of the=20= >>> network and average per hop latency. Thus this could range from 2 = sec=20 >>> to 120 seconds depending on the deployment. The number of retries=20 >>> could be set between 2 to 6 depending upon how critical the route=20 >>> invalidation could be for the deployment and the link layer retry=20 >>> configuration. For networks supporting only MP2P and P2MP flows, = such=20 >>> as in AMI and telemetry applications, the 6LRs may not be very keen=20= >>> to invalidate routes, unless they are highly memory-constrained. For=20= >>> home and building automation networks, with P2P traffic, the 6LRs=20 >>> might be keen to invalidate efficiently because it may additionally = impact the forwarding efficiency. >>> Note that the DCO might in turn be retried at link layer if link=20 >>> layer supports Ack for unicast packets. In such cases where link=20 >>> layer employs retry- mechanism for unicast packets, retrying more=20 >>> than 3 times may not be necessary, depending on link layer retry = configuration. >>>=20 >>> Any thoughts? >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Rahul >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja=20 >>> Kuehlewind >>> Sent: 04 July 2019 19:28 >>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>=20 >>> I think that is also a good additional to have. I would recommend to=20= >>> discus the boundaries in both directions: what the maximum rate I=20 >>> should ever to for in order to not permanently overload the network=20= >>> and what are the usual considerations to set these parameters = correctly for my use case. >>>=20 >>> Mirja >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 13:22, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)=20 >>>> >>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> You have a point there, Mirja. >>>>=20 >>>> UDP over LLNs may have to live with durations that are 1 to 2 = orders=20 >>>> of >>> magnitude longer than usual in more classical links these days. It=20= >>> can take a minute and more to get a message through. >>>>=20 >>>> So yes, a bit of text that says that the typical latencies and=20 >>>> turn-around-trip >>> delays observed on the Internet and the default settings that derive=20= >>> from that may not apply in LLNs and need to be revisited depending = on=20 >>> the link type and the number of hops in case of a mesh network. >>>>=20 >>>> Is that what you are indicating to us? >>>>=20 >>>> Pascal >>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Mirja Kuehlewind >>>>> Sent: jeudi 4 juillet 2019 13:05 >>>>> To: Alvaro Retana ; Pascal Thubert=20 >>>>> (pthubert) >>>>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>>>> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi, >>>>>=20 >>>>> My request wasn=E2=80=99t to specify this in detail for every = scenario, it=20 >>>>> was to set boundaries about what's safe to do. The 3 seconds I=20 >>>>> mentions are the recommendation given in RFC8085, however, if you=20= >>>>> have a good reason to use different values that possible but it=20 >>>>> would be good to provide more reasoning then about when it is = still=20 >>>>> safe to use the values and when it should be avoided. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Mirja >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 12:44, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>>>> (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> RPL is designed to operate in very different environment, and=20 >>>>>>> some LLNs >>>>> can be very slow, very lossy or even both. This is why RFC 6550=20 >>>>> refrains from being too specific. >>>>>>> Maybe it is good enough to add text indicating that the values=20= >>>>>>> used for DCO >>>>> are expected to be similar/consistent with those used in DAO? >>>>>> I agree with Pascal. In fact, the diversity of environments not=20= >>>>>> only makes it >>>>> very hard to be too specific, but it is one of the reasons the WG=20= >>>>> has produced Applicability Statements for them: not all = deployments=20 >>>>> are the >>> same. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Alvaro. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Roll mailing list >>> Roll@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >=20 From nobody Mon Jul 8 02:37:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709F71200E7; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 02:37:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <156257864137.1101.15938258242439172013@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 02:37:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:37:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Common Ancestor Objective Functions and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Extension Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Georgios Papadopoulos Nicolas Montavont Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from / to the RPL root requires the ability to forward copies of packets over different paths via different RPL parents. Selecting the appropriate parents to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information about a node's parents. This document details what information needs to be transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable this functionality. This document also describes Objective Functions which take advantage of this information to implement multi-path routing. 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Papadopoulos" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , dominique.barthel@orange.com, Diego Dujovne , rahul.jadhav@huawei.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000041b83b058d286523" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:52:14 -0000 --00000000000041b83b058d286523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, I have just submitted a new version of draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension (draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04) which follows the general recommendation from all the reviewers of our draft: Explicitly specify the OFs to use with the proposed PS NSA extension. While there were examples in the previous version of how an OF would roughly work, in this newer version there is an explicit description. We wanted to specify OFs which basically work like MRHOF does for the (normal) preferred parent, but which additionally does alternative parent selection. To minimize the extent of the description, we have chosen to "extend" MRHOF by describing what is done the same and what is changed compared to MRHOF. We take each section in the description of MRHOF and we describe the changes or lack thereof. I'm not sure if this method of extending existing behavior is helpful, so I would really appreciate some feedback on this. Kind regards, Aris On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:38 AM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > WG of the IETF. > > Title : Common Ancestor Objective Functions and Parent > Set DAG Metric Container Extension > Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis > Georgios Papadopoulos > Nicolas Montavont > Pascal Thubert > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2019-07-08 > > Abstract: > Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from / to the RPL > root requires the ability to forward copies of packets over different > paths via different RPL parents. Selecting the appropriate parents > to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information about a > node's parents. This document details what information needs to be > transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable this > functionality. This document also describes Objective Functions > which take advantage of this information to implement multi-path > routing. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --00000000000041b83b058d286523 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I have just submitted= a new version of draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension (draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extens= ion-04) which follows the general recommendation from all the reviewers of our=20 draft: Explicitly specify the OFs to use with the proposed PS NSA=20 extension.
While there were examples in the previous version=20 of how an OF would roughly work, in this newer version there is an=20 explicit description.

We wanted to specify OFs=20 which basically work like MRHOF does for the (normal) preferred parent,=20 but which additionally does alternative parent selection.
To minimize the extent of the description, we have chosen to "extend&quo= t;=20 MRHOF by describing what is done the same and what is changed compared=20 to MRHOF.
We take each section in the description of MRHOF and we= describe the changes or lack thereof.

I'm not= sure if this method of extending existing behavior is helpful, so I would = really appreciate some feedback on this.

Kind rega= rds,
Aris

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 11:38 AM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Common Ancestor Objective Functions and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Ex= tension
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Remo= us-Aris Koutsiamanis
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Georgios Papadopoulos
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nicolas Montavont
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pascal Thubert
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-nsa-extension-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 15
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-07-08

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from / to the = RPL
=C2=A0 =C2=A0root requires the ability to forward copies of packets over di= fferent
=C2=A0 =C2=A0paths via different RPL parents.=C2=A0 Selecting the appropria= te parents
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information a= bout a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0node's parents.=C2=A0 This document details what informati= on needs to be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable th= is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0functionality.=C2=A0 This document also describes Objective Fu= nctions
=C2=A0 =C2=A0which take advantage of this information to implement multi-pa= th
=C2=A0 =C2=A0routing.


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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:08:51 -0000 Thanks a lot! I will clear my discuss if a new version is posted. Mirja > On 8. Jul 2019, at 12:29, Rahul Arvind Jadhav = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Mirja, >=20 > I'll change the text to following: >=20 > "Thus this could range from 2 sec to 120 seconds depending on the = deployment. In case the latency limits are not known, an implementation = MUST NOT retry more than once in 3 seconds and MUST NOT retry more than = 3 times." >=20 > I don't think there is any reason to retry more than thrice anyways, = so it should be safe to put these limits. > I will add the above text to the document and provide an update = (unless anyone else comments). >=20 > Thanks, > Rahul >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> In the text that I suggested, the statement, " Thus this could range = from 2 sec to 120 seconds depending on the deployment" provides a = max/min rate. Do you think I should add something like? >> "Thus this could range from 2 sec to 120 seconds depending on the = deployment. In case the latency limits are not known, an implementation = SHOULD NOT retry DCO more than once in 3 seconds.=E2=80=9D >=20 > Yes, that what I was looking for. I think you can even go for "MUST = NOT=E2=80=9D because this is also restricted to the case where latency = limits are unknown. If you want, you can cite RFC8085 to given more = reasoning for the exact value, however, you don=E2=80=99t have to. >=20 > Do you think it would also be possible to state a clear requirement = for the maximum number of retries? >=20 > Mirja >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> I like this better. >>=20 >> In your earlier mail, there were two questions, 1. What is the max=20 >> rate to be used so as not to overload the network? >> 2. What are the usual considerations/reasoning? >> This update and the proposed new para should answer both these = questions. >>=20 >> Kindly let us know your thoughts. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Rahul >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net] >> Sent: 05 July 2019 21:33 >> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> Cc: Rahul Arvind Jadhav ; Routing Over Low=20= >> power and Lossy networks ; Alvaro Retana=20 >> >> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>=20 >> Hi all, >>=20 >> RFC8085 recommend a maximum sending of one packet per 3 sec (if the = RTT is unknown). This seems to be also a plausible mininum retry = interval for your scenarios described below. Can we just add that as a = requirement (as original proposed in my discuss)? >>=20 >> Also would be okay to define the maximum of 6 retries as a = requirement? >>=20 >> Mirja >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 5. Jul 2019, at 14:48, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Looks good to me, Rahul >>>=20 >>> All the best, >>>=20 >>> Pascal >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav >>>> Sent: vendredi 5 juillet 2019 14:30 >>>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks ; = Mirja=20 >>>> K=C3=BChlewind ; Alvaro Retana=20 >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>>=20 >>>> Can we add something like; >>>>=20 >>>> The DCO retry time should be dependent on the maximum depth of the=20= >>>> network and average per hop latency. Thus this could range from 2=20= >>>> sec to 120 seconds depending on the deployment. The number of=20 >>>> retries could be set between 2 to 6 depending upon how critical the=20= >>>> route invalidation could be for the deployment and the link layer=20= >>>> retry configuration. For networks supporting only MP2P and P2MP=20 >>>> flows, such as in AMI and telemetry applications, the 6LRs may not=20= >>>> be very keen to invalidate routes, unless they are highly=20 >>>> memory-constrained. For home and building automation networks, with=20= >>>> P2P traffic, the 6LRs might be keen to invalidate efficiently = because it may additionally impact the forwarding efficiency. >>>> Note that the DCO might in turn be retried at link layer if link=20 >>>> layer supports Ack for unicast packets. In such cases where link=20 >>>> layer employs retry- mechanism for unicast packets, retrying more=20= >>>> than 3 times may not be necessary, depending on link layer retry = configuration. >>>>=20 >>>> Any thoughts? >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>> Rahul >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja=20 >>>> Kuehlewind >>>> Sent: 04 July 2019 19:28 >>>> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>>> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>>=20 >>>> I think that is also a good additional to have. I would recommend = to=20 >>>> discus the boundaries in both directions: what the maximum rate I=20= >>>> should ever to for in order to not permanently overload the network=20= >>>> and what are the usual considerations to set these parameters = correctly for my use case. >>>>=20 >>>> Mirja >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 13:22, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)=20 >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> You have a point there, Mirja. >>>>>=20 >>>>> UDP over LLNs may have to live with durations that are 1 to 2=20 >>>>> orders of >>>> magnitude longer than usual in more classical links these days. It=20= >>>> can take a minute and more to get a message through. >>>>>=20 >>>>> So yes, a bit of text that says that the typical latencies and=20 >>>>> turn-around-trip >>>> delays observed on the Internet and the default settings that = derive=20 >>>> from that may not apply in LLNs and need to be revisited depending=20= >>>> on the link type and the number of hops in case of a mesh network. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is that what you are indicating to us? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Pascal >>>>>=20 >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Mirja Kuehlewind >>>>>> Sent: jeudi 4 juillet 2019 13:05 >>>>>> To: Alvaro Retana ; Pascal Thubert >>>>>> (pthubert) >>>>>> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Roll] Retrying DCO/DAO, retry parameters >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> My request wasn=E2=80=99t to specify this in detail for every = scenario, it=20 >>>>>> was to set boundaries about what's safe to do. The 3 seconds I=20 >>>>>> mentions are the recommendation given in RFC8085, however, if you=20= >>>>>> have a good reason to use different values that possible but it=20= >>>>>> would be good to provide more reasoning then about when it is=20 >>>>>> still safe to use the values and when it should be avoided. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Mirja >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 4. Jul 2019, at 12:44, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On June 27, 2019 at 1:54:11 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>>>>> (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> RPL is designed to operate in very different environment, and=20= >>>>>>>> some LLNs >>>>>> can be very slow, very lossy or even both. This is why RFC 6550=20= >>>>>> refrains from being too specific. >>>>>>>> Maybe it is good enough to add text indicating that the values=20= >>>>>>>> used for DCO >>>>>> are expected to be similar/consistent with those used in DAO? >>>>>>> I agree with Pascal. In fact, the diversity of environments not=20= >>>>>>> only makes it >>>>>> very hard to be too specific, but it is one of the reasons the WG=20= >>>>>> has produced Applicability Statements for them: not all=20 >>>>>> deployments are the >>>> same. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Alvaro. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Roll mailing list >>>> Roll@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >>=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Jul 8 05:58:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9856712002F; Mon, 8 Jul 2019 05:57:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <156259067155.1051.4962500737403064271@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:57:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-15.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:57:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Efficient Route Invalidation Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Rabi Narayan Sahoo Zhen Cao Filename : draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-15.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2019-07-08 Abstract: This document explains the problems associated with the current use of NPDAO messaging and also discusses the requirements for an optimized route invalidation messaging scheme. Further a new proactive route invalidation message called as "Destination Cleanup Object" (DCO) is specified which fulfills requirements of an optimized route invalidation messaging. 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--000000000000520614058d58df30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, Please find below the proposed agenda for the IETF 105 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-roll-00 Dear Presenters, please send your slides in pdf before July 19 Comments welcome, Thank you, Ines and Peter --000000000000520614058d58df30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Please find below the proposed agenda for= the IETF 105

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Dear Presenters, please send your slides= in pdf before July 19

Comments welcome,

Thank = you,

Ines and Peter
--000000000000520614058d58df30-- From nobody Thu Jul 11 14:29:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02652120170; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:29:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , consultancy@vanderstok.org, roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, Peter Van der Stok , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <156288058200.12108.680578417340040752.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:29:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Protocol Action: 'Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-31.txt) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:29:42 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in- IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane' (draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-31.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ Technical Summary This document provides a series of examples that align RFC6553 with the recent changes in processing described in RFC8200. In other words, the examples are intended to be normative explanation of the results of executing that language. Existing deployed networks may experience a flag day as a result of some of the suggested changes, and this document provides a way to mitigate such an occurrence. Working Group Summary There was clear consensus in the ROLL WG that this document was needed. The extensive subject, involving many details, has led to lengthy discussions about terminology, and coverage of all cases. Document Quality The document is of special value to the the 6tisch WG. There are no known implementations by manufacturers, but comments have been incorporated from people who needed to address a subset of the cases discussed in the document. The drafts ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra and ietf-6tisch-dtsecurity-secure-join rely on the cases discussed in this document. Personnel Document Shepherd is Peter van der Stok Responsible Area Director is Alvaro Retana From nobody Thu Jul 11 14:32:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045C712016B; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:32:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.98.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , consultancy@vanderstok.org, roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org, Peter Van der Stok , aretana.ietf@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <156288072600.12126.14524801420323948142.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:32:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Protocol Action: 'Efficient Route Invalidation' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-15.txt) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:32:06 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Efficient Route Invalidation' (draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Martin Vigoureux and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao/ Technical Summary This document describes the problems associated with No-Path Destination Advertisement Object (NPDAO) messaging used in Routing Protocol for Low power and lossy networks (RPL) for route invalidation and signaling changes to improve route invalidation efficiency. Working Group Summary The WG process moved along without issues. Document Quality A pilot is implemented for a smart meter based solution which is deployed with Huawei's Enterprise Access Router (AR-series). Personnel Document Shepherd is Peter van der Stok. Responsible Area Director is Alvaro Retana. 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Dear all,

Please let us know if you= could kindly be the Minute Taker or the Jabber Scribe for the IETF 105.

Really appreciated :-)

Than= k you,

Ines and Peter.
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Dear all,

Please find an updated versio= n of the agenda


Dear Presenters, kindly send your slides in pdf = before July 19 - you can upload the set of slides (please in pdf) keeping t= he deadline date.=C2=A0

----------------- Mate= rial Addition to Presenters-------------------------------
Shortl= y after IETF 104, it is added the ability for presenters to upload=C2=A0slides and suggesting to the chairs that they be added to a session.
On the meeting materials page for the group=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/meet= ing/105/session/roll anyone logged=C2=A0
in who is not a chai= r/secretary for the group gets a [Suggest New=C2=A0Slides] button.

W= hen they upload slides using that, the chairs will get email, and the=C2=A0=
suggestions will appear in a new block on that page.

Chairs can = then accept or reject each suggestion.
--------------------------= ----------------------------------------------------------------
=
Thank you,

Comments welcome,
<= div>
Ines and Peter.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:41 PM In= es Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Ple= ase find below the proposed agenda for the IETF 105

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/agenda-105-roll= -00

Dear Presenters, please send your slides in pdf before July= 19

Comments welcome,

Thank you,

= Ines and Peter
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Dear all,

The following documents n= eed a=C2=A0Document Sh= epherd:=C2=A0

- draft-ietf-roll-dao-pro= jection
-=C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension
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Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_28D6F31E-1A0A-4E88-9FAD-9472F1109231" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:38:08 -0400 Message-Id: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:25:39 -0700 Subject: [Roll] [Review] draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:38:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_28D6F31E-1A0A-4E88-9FAD-9472F1109231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear authors and Roll, Below is my review for draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00. In overall, I find the document very interesting and necessary to : * to avoid reseting the Tirckle timer on each DIS message, may lead to = energy saving and avoiding the potential congestion in the network. * minimize the number of DIO responses on each DIS request, may help to = avoid the congestion and collisions in the network. Bellow is the draft contents with my annotations, starting with = =E2=80=9C[GP]=E2=80=9D. Cheers, Georgios =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94=20 Internet Engineering Task Force C. Gundogan, Ed. Internet-Draft HAW Hamburg Intended status: Standards Track D. Barthel Expires: September 14, 2017 Orange E. Baccelli INRIA March 13, 2017 DIS Modifications draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 Abstract This document augments [RFC6550] with DIS flags and options that allow a RPL node to better control how neighbor RPL routers respond to its solicitation for DIOs. Status of This Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." This Internet-Draft will expire on September 14, 2017. Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 2017 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 1] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License. Table of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1.1. RFC6550 refresher . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1.2. Undesirable effects . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1.3. Desired improvments . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2. Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3. DIS Base Object flags . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4. DIS Options . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4.1. Metric Container . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4.2. Response Spreading . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4.3. DIO Option Request . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5. Full behavior illustration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 6. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 6.1. DIS Flags . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 6.2. RPL Control Message Options . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 7. Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 8. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 9. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 9.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 9.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 Appendix A. Applications . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 A.1. A Leaf Node Joining a DAG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 A.2. Identifying A Defunct DAG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 A.3. Explicit and Implicit DIO Option Requests . . . . . . . . 14 Appendix B. Experimental data . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 1. Introduction This document augments [RFC6550], the RPL routing protocol specification. 1.1. RFC6550 refresher Per [RFC6550], a RPL node can send a DODAG Information Solicitation (DIS) message to solicit DODAG Information Object (DIO) messages from neighbor RPL routers. A DIS can be multicast to all the routers in range or it can be unicast to a specific neighbor router. A DIS may carry a Solicited Information option that specifies the predicates of the DAG(s) the soliciting node is interested in. In the absence of such Solicited Information option, the soliciting node Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 2] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 is deemed interested in receiving DIOs for all the DAGs known by the solicited router(s). [RFC6550] requires a router to treat the receipt of a multicast DIS as an inconsistency and hence reset its Trickle timers for the matching DAGs. As a result of the general Trickle timer mechanism, future DIOs will be sent at a higher rate. See [RFC6206] for the specification of Trickle timers and the definition of "inconsistency". [RFC6550] requires a router that receives a unicast DIS to respond by unicasting a DIO for each matching DAG and to not reset the associated Trickle timer. Such a DIO generated in response to a unicast DIS must contain a Configuration option. This description is summarized in Table 1. +----------------------------+----------------------+---------------+ | | Unicast DIS | Multicast DIS | +----------------------------+----------------------+---------------+ | no option present | unicast DIO, don't | do reset | | | reset Trickle timer | Trickle timer | | -------------------------- | -------------------- | ------------- | | Solicited Information | do nothing | do nothing | | option present, not | | | | matching | | | | -------------------------- | -------------------- | ------------- | | Solicited Information | unicast DIO, don't | do reset | | option present, matching | reset Trickle timer | Trickle timer | +----------------------------+----------------------+---------------+ Table 1: Router behavior on receiving a DIS, as per RFC6550 [GP] In Multicast DIS column, there is no response action like in = Unicast DIS column. When a multicast DIS is received, the node will send back a DIO? [GP] don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94> do not More precisely, Table 1 describes the behavior of routers for each DAG they belong to. In the general case where multiple RPL instances co-exist in a network, routers will maintain a Trickle timer for the one DAG of each RPL instance they belong to, and nodes may send a DIS with multiple Solicited Information options pertaining to different DAGs or instances. In this more general case, routers will respond for each individual DAG/instance they belong to as per Table 1. 1.2. Undesirable effects Now, consider a RPL leaf node that desires to join a certain DAG. This node can either wait for its neighbor RPL routers to voluntarily transmit DIOs or it can proactively solicit DIOs using a DIS message. [GP] voluntarily?? Isn=E2=80=99t it based on the Trickle timer?=20 If I am not mistaken, each device transmits a DIO depending on the = Trickle timer. Voluntary DIO transmissions may happen after a very long time if the network is stable and the Trickle timer intervals have reached large Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 3] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 values. Thus, proactively seeking DIOs using a DIS may be the only reasonable option. Since the node does not know which neighbor routers belong to the DAG, it must solicit the DIOs using a multicast DIS (with predicates of the desired DAG specified inside a Solicited Information option). On receiving this DIS, the neighbor routers that belong to the desired DAG will reset their Trickle timers and quickly transmit their DIOs. The downside of resetting Trickle timers is that the routers will keep transmitting frequent DIOs for a considerable duration until the Trickle timers again reach long intervals. These DIO transmissions are unnecessary, consume precious energy and may contribute to congestion in the network. There are other scenarios where resetting of Trickle timer following the receipt of a multicast DIS is not appropriate. For example, consider a RPL router that desires to free up memory by deleting state for the defunct DAGs it belongs to. Identifying a defunct DAG may require the node to solicit DIOs from its DAG parents using a multicast DIS. Certain scenarios may require a RPL router to solicit a DIO from a parent by using a unicast DIS. The parent is forced to include a Configuration option within the unicast DIO, although the requesting node might still have this information locally available. Since the information within the Configuration option is described as generally static and unchanging throughout the DODAG, it inflates the unicast DIO unnecessarily by 16 bytes for each request. 1.3. Desired improvments To deal with the situations described above, there is a need in the industry for DIS flags and options that allow a RPL node to control how neighbor RPL routers respond to its solicitation for DIOs, for example by expressing: o the routing constraints that routers should meet to be allowed to respond, thereby lowering the number of responders o whether the responding routers should reset their Trickle timers or not, thereby limiting the cumulated number of transmitted DIOs o whether the responding routers should respond with a unicast DIO instead of a multicast one, thereby lowering the overhearing cost in the network o whether the responding routers should omit DIO options that were not requested explicitely and thus reducing the amount of traffic and giving full control over the options of the solicited DIO Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 4] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 o the time interval over which the responding routers should schedule their DIO transmissions, thereby lowering the occurence of collisions. 2. Terminology The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. Additionally, this document uses terminology from [RFC6550]. Specifically, the term RPL node refers to a RPL router or a RPL host as defined in [RFC6550]. 3. DIS Base Object flags This document defines three new flags inside the DIS base object: [GP] maybe having the original DIS message format Figure would help to = follow the bullet points below. o the "No Inconsistency" (N) flag: On receiving a multicast DIS with the N flag set, a RPL router MUST NOT reset the Trickle timers for the matching DAGs. In addition, it MUST take specific action, which is to respond by explicitely sending a DIO. This DIO MUST include a Configuration option. This behavior augments [RFC6550], which had provision for such flag. Since this specific, one-shot DIO is not a consequence of the general Trickle timer mechanism, it will be sent right away if no Response Spreading option is present or it will be scheduled according to the Response Spreading option if one is present in the DIS (see Section 4.2). o the "DIO Type" (T) flag: In case the N flag is set, this T flag specifies what type of DIO is sent in response. It MUST be a unicast DIO if this flag is set and it MUST be a multicast DIO if this flag is reset. [GP] In this second sentence of this paragraph, please specify which = flag is =E2=80=9Cthis flag=E2=80=9D, the T or N? o the "DIO Option Request" (R) flag: On receiving a DIS with the R flag set, the receiver MUST include all options that were requested by the DIS containing one or multiple DIO Option Request options. A responding RPL router MUST NOT include DIO options that were not explicitely requested. Note that this behaviour contradicts with [RFC6550] for the case of including a Configuration option in all DIOs requested by a unicast DIS. When a unicast DIS is transmitted, both its N and T flags SHOULD be 0, which are the default values per [RFC6550]. On receiving a unicast DIS, the N and T flags MUST be ignored and treated as 00. When the R flag is unset, then a RPL router may include or omit DIO options like specified in [RFC6550]. A rpl router responding to a [GP] rpl =E2=80=94> RPL Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 5] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 DIS with the R flag set MUST only include all requested DIO options in the solicited DIO. The modified DIS base object is shown in Figure 1. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |N|T|R| Flags | Reserved | Option(s)... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 1: Modified DIS Base Object [GP] In 6550 defines any bits or all are available? 4. DIS Options 4.1. Metric Container In order to lower the number of routers that will respond to a DIS, this document allows routing constraints to be carried by a DIS. Only the router(s) that satisfy these constraints is (are) allowed to respond to the DIS. These routing constraints are described using a Metric Container option contained in the DIS. Metric Containers are defined in [RFC6550] and [RFC6551]. Metric Containers options were previously only allowed in DIOs. This document augments [RFC6550] by allowing the inclusion of a Metric Container option inside a DIS as well. A RPL router that receives a DIS with a Metric Container option MUST ignore any Metric object in it, and MUST evaluate the "mandatory" Constraint objects in it by comparing the constraint value to the value of the corresponding routing metric that the router maintains for the matching DAG(s). These routing metric values MUST satisfy all the mandatory constraints in order for the router to consider the solicitation successful for the matching DAG(s). This augments the behavior already present in [RFC6550] with the Solicited Information option. This option can be used in both unicast and multicast DIS. 4.2. Response Spreading Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 6] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 0 1 2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type =3D 0x0B | Length | Spread. Inter.| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 2: The Response Spreading option Even with the use of the Solicited Information and the Section 4.1 options, a multicast DIS may still lead to a large number of RPL routers taking immediate action and responding with DIOs. Concurrent transmissions by multiple routers are not desirable since they may lead to poor channel utilization or even to packet loss. Unicast DIOs may be able to avail of link-level retransmissions. However, multicast DIOs usually have no such protection, since they commonly make use of link layer broadcast. To avoid such problems, this document specifies an optional DIO response spreading mechanism. This document defines a new RPL control message option called Response Spreading option, shown in Figure 2, with a recommended Type value 0x0B (to be confirmed by IANA). A RPL router that explicitely responds with a specific, one-shot DIO to a DIS that includes a Response Spreading option, MUST wait for a time uniformly chosen in the interval [O..2^SpreadingInterval], expressed in ms, before attempting to transmit its DIO. If the DIS does not include a Response Spreading option, the node is free to transmit the DIO as it otherwise would. [GP] if you could further elaborate this paragraph. The =E2=80=9CMUST wait for a time uniformly chosen=E2=80=9D is not clear = the concept of randomness here. A Response Spreading option MAY be included inside a unicast DIS message, but there is no benefit in doing so. Multiple Response Spreading options SHOULD NOT be used inside a same DIS message. This mechanism MUST NOT affect the Trickle timer mechanism. 4.3. DIO Option Request 0 1 2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type =3D 0x0C | Length | Req. Opt. Type| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 3: The DIO Option Request option If a unicast DIS is used to request a DIO, then [RFC6550] mandates that a Configuration option MUST be included in this DIO. The Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 7] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 Configuration option contains generally static information that stays unmodified throughout the DAG. For scenarios where a RPL node is already part of a DAG and hence is holding the information that is propagated with the Configuration option, an inclusion of such leads to an unnecesary inflation of 16 bytes for each solicited DIO. As per [RFC6550], no process is defined to trigger the inclusion of other DIO options in a solicited DIO. This document defines a new RPL control message option called DIO Option Request option, shown in Figure 3, with a recommended Type value of 0x0C (to be confirmed by IANA). This new option allows full control over the options of the solicited DIO. The target of a unicast or multicast DIS with the R flag set and with one or more DIO Option Request options included, MUST include these requested options in the solicited DIO. For a DIS with the R flag unset, a RPL router behaves like described in [RFC6550] with regard to DIO options. 5. Full behavior illustration Figure 4 and Figure 5 illustrate the normative behavior described in Section 3 and Section 4.1. +--------------------+---------------------- | Unicast DIS | Multicast DIS +--------------------+--------------------+- | | N=3D0 = | +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+- | | unicast DIO, | | | no option present | don't | do | | | reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle timer| +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+- | Solicited Informa- | | | | tion/Metric Contai-| do nothing | do nothing | | ner option present,| | | | not matching. | | | +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+- | Solicited Informa- | unicast DIO, | | | tion/Metric Contai-| don't | do | | ner option present,| reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle timer| | matching. | | | +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+- Figure 4: Overall DIS behavior, part 1 [GP] the don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94> do not Notice that Figure 4 is indeed identical to Table 1 when Metric Container options are not used in DIS. Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 8] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 -------------------------------------------+ Multicast DIS | ----------------------+--------------------+ | N=3D1, T=3D0 | N=3D1, T=3D1 | -+--------------------+--------------------+ | multicast DIO, | unicast DIO, | | don't | don't | | reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle timer| -+--------------------+--------------------+ | | | | do nothing | do nothing | | | | | | | -+--------------------+--------------------+ | multicast DIO, | unicast DIO, | | don't | don't | | reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle timer| | | | -+--------------------+--------------------+ Figure 5: Overall DIS behavior, part 2 [GP] the don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94> do not For the sake of completeness, let's remind here that a specific, one- shot DIO generated in response to a DIS with the R flag unset MUST contain a Configuration option. If the R flag is set, then this DIO contains only explicitely requested DIO options. This DIO's transmission is delayed according to the Delay Spreading option of the DIS, if one such option is present. 6. IANA Considerations 6.1. DIS Flags IANA is requested to allocate bits 0, 1 and 2 of the DIS Flag Field to become the "No Inconsistency", "DIO Type", and "DIO Option Request" bits, the functionality of which is described in Section 3 of this document. +-------+--------------------+---------------+ | Value | Meaning | Reference | +-------+--------------------+---------------+ | 0 | No Inconsistency | This document | | 1 | DIO Type | This document | | 2 | DIO Option Request | This document | +-------+--------------------+---------------+ Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 9] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 6.2. RPL Control Message Options IANA is requested to allocate a new code point in the "RPL Control Message Options" registry for the "Response Spreading" option and the "Dio Option Request" option, the behavior of which are described in Section 4.2 and Section 4.3, respectively. [GP] Dio =E2=80=94> DIO +-------+--------------------+---------------+ | Value | Meaning | Reference | +-------+--------------------+---------------+ | 0x0B | Response Spreading | This document | | 0x0C | DIO Option Request | This document | +-------+--------------------+---------------+ RPL Control Message Options 7. Security Considerations TBA 8. Acknowledgements A lot of text in this document originates from now-expired [I- D.goyal-roll-dis-modifications] co-authored with M. Goyal. The requirements and solutions also draw from now-expired [I-D.dejean- roll-selective-dis] co-authored with N. Dejean. Their contribution is deeply acknowledged. We also thank (TBA) for their useful feedback and discussion. 9. References 9.1. Normative References [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, DOI 10.17487/RFC2119, March 1997, . [RFC6550] Winter, T., Ed., Thubert, P., Ed., Brandt, A., Hui, J., Kelsey, R., Levis, P., Pister, K., Struik, R., Vasseur, JP., and R. Alexander, "RPL: IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks", RFC 6550, DOI 10.17487/RFC6550, March 2012, . Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 10] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 [RFC6551] Vasseur, JP., Ed., Kim, M., Ed., Pister, K., Dejean, N., and D. Barthel, "Routing Metrics Used for Path Calculation in Low-Power and Lossy Networks", RFC 6551, DOI 10.17487/RFC6551, March 2012, . 9.2. Informative References [RFC4861] Narten, T., Nordmark, E., Simpson, W., and H. Soliman, "Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)", RFC 4861, DOI 10.17487/RFC4861, September 2007, . [RFC5184] Teraoka, F., Gogo, K., Mitsuya, K., Shibui, R., and K. Mitani, "Unified Layer 2 (L2) Abstractions for Layer 3 (L3)-Driven Fast Handover", RFC 5184, DOI 10.17487/RFC5184, May 2008, . [RFC5881] Katz, D. and D. Ward, "Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) for IPv4 and IPv6 (Single Hop)", RFC 5881, DOI 10.17487/RFC5881, June 2010, . [RFC6206] Levis, P., Clausen, T., Hui, J., Gnawali, O., and J. Ko, "The Trickle Algorithm", RFC 6206, DOI 10.17487/RFC6206, March 2011, . Appendix A. Applications This section details two example mechanisms that use the DIS flags and options defined in this document. The first mechanism describes how a leaf node may join a desired DAG in an energy efficient manner. The second mechanism details how a node may identify defunct DAGs for which it still maintains state. A.1. A Leaf Node Joining a DAG A new leaf node that joins an established LLN runs an iterative algorithm in which it requests (using multicast DIS) DIOs from routers belonging to the desired DAG. The DIS message has the "No Inconsistency" flag set to prevent resetting of Trickle timer in responding routers, thereby keeping the aggregated number of transmissions low. It also has the "DIO Type" flag set to make responding routers send unicast DIOs back, thereby not triggering full reception in nearby nodes that have state-of-the- art radio receivers with hardware-based address filtering. Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 11] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 The DIS message can include a Response Spreading option prescribing a suitable spreading interval based on the expected density of nearby routers and on the expected Layer 2 technology. The DIS will likely include a Metric Container listing the routing constraints that the responding routers must satisfy in order to be allowed to respond. At each iteration, the node multicasts such a DIS and waits for forthcoming DIOs. After a time equal to the spreading interval, the node considers the current iteration to be unsuccessful. The node consequently relaxes the routing constraints somewhat and proceeds to the next iteration. The cycle repeats until the node receives one or more DIOs or until it has relaxed the constraints to the lowest acceptable values. This algorithm has been proven in the field to be extremely energy- efficient, especially when routers have a wide communication range. A.2. Identifying A Defunct DAG A RPL node may remove a neighbor from its parent set for a DAG for a number of reasons: o The neighbor is no longer reachable, as determined using a mechanism such as Neighbor Unreachanility Detection (NUD) [RFC4861], Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) [RFC5881] or L2 triggers [RFC5184]; or o The neighbor advertises an infinite rank in the DAG; or o Keeping the neighbor as a parent would required the node to increase its rank beyond L + DAGMaxRankIncrease, where L is the minimum rank the node has had in this DAG; or o The neighbor advertises membership in a different DAG within the same RPL Instance, where a different DAG is recognised by a different DODAGID or a different DODAGVersionNumber. Even if the conditions listed above exist, a RPL node may fail to remove a neighbor from its parent set because: o The node may fail to receive the neighbor's DIOs advertising an increased rank or the neighbor's membership in a different DAG; o The node may not check, and hence may not detect, the neighbor's unreachability for a long time. For example, the node may not Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 12] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 have any data to send to this neighbor and hence may not encounter any event (such as failure to send data to this neighbor) that would trigger a check for the neighbor's reachability. In such cases, a node would continue to consider itself attached to a DAG even if all its parents in the DAG are unreachable or have moved to different DAGs. Such a DAG can be characterized as being defunct from the node's perspective. If the node maintains state about a large number of defunct DAGs, such state may prevent a considerable portion of the total memory in the node from being available for more useful purposes. To alleviate the problem described above, a RPL node may invoke the following procedure to identify a defunct DAG and delete the state it maintains for this DAG. Note that, given the proactive nature of RPL protocol, the lack of data traffic using a DAG can not be considered a reliable indication of the DAG's defunction. Further, the Trickle timer based control of DIO transmissions means the possibility of an indefinite delay in the receipt of a new DIO from a functional DAG parent. Hence, the mechanism described here is based on the use of a DIS message to solicit DIOs about a DAG suspected of defunction. Further, a multicast DIS is used so as to avoid the need to query each parent individually and also to discover other neighbor routers that may serve as the node's new parents in the DAG. When a RPL node has not received a DIO from any of its parents in a DAG for more than a locally configured time duration: o The node generates a multicast DIS message with: * the "No Inconsistency" flag set so that the responding routers do not reset their Trickle timers. * the "DIO Type" flag not set so that the responding routers send multicast DIOs and other nodes in the vicinity do not need to invoke this procedure. * a Solicited Information option to identify the DAG in question. This option must have the I and D flags set and the RPLInstanceID/DODAGID fields must be set to values identifying the DAG. The V flag inside the Solicited Information option should not be set so as to allow the neighbors to send DIOs advertising the latest version of the DAG. * a Response Spreading option specifying a suitable time interval over which the DIO responses may arrive. Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 13] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 o After sending the DIS, the node waits for the duration specified inside the Response Spreading option to receive the DIOs generated by its neighbors. At the conclusion of the wait duration: * If the node has received one or more DIOs advertising newer version(s) of the DAG, it joins the latest version of the DAG, selects a new parent set among the neighbors advertising the latest DAG version and marks the DAG status as functional. * Otherwise, if the node has not received a DIO advertising the current version of the DAG from a neighbor in the parent set, it removes that neighbor from the parent set. As a result, if the node has no parent left in the DAG, it marks the DAG as defunct and schedule the deletion of the state it has maintained for the DAG after a locally configured "hold" duration. (This is because, as per RPL specification, when a node no longer has any parents left in a DAG, it is still required to remember the DAG's identity (RPLInstanceID, DODAGID, DODAGVersionNumber), the lowest rank (L) it has had in this DAG and the DAGMaxRankIncrease value for the DAG for a certain time interval to ensure that the node does not join an earlier version of the DAG and does not rejoin the current version of the DAG at a rank higher than L + DAGMaxRankIncrease.) A.3. Explicit and Implicit DIO Option Requests Certain information from a DIO is only needed occasionally or for specific events: o A Configuration option contains information that is static and stays mostly unchanged during the lifetime of the DODAG. Thus, the Configuration option is important when joining the DODAG, but inflates the DIO unnecessarily thereafter. o A Prefix Information option is also useful when joining a DODAG to perform address autoconfiguration and propagating the prefixes. After that, it is only relevant when changes occure that would affect the prefix information (new prefixes, lifetime updates, ...). o More DIO options may be added in the future that have similar properties as mentioned above. The Configuration and Prefix Information options may be omitted from the trickle timer based DIOs, leading to less bytes for each DIO. Once a RPL router decides to join a DODAG, it may solicit a DIO by sending a DIS with the R flag set and two "DIO Option Request" Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 14] Internet-Draft draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00 March 2017 options included. One for the Configuration option, the other for the Prefix Information option. Upon receiving these options in the next DIO, the RPL router can successfully finish the joining process. Appendix B. Experimental data The effectiveness of these flags and options has been measured on real industrial hardware. Data to be added Authors' Addresses Cenk Gundogan (editor) HAW Hamburg Email: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de Dominique Barthel Orange 28 Chemin Du Vieux Chene, BP 98 Meylan 38243 France Email: dominique.barthel@orange.com Emmanuel Baccelli INRIA Phone: +33-169-335-511 Email: Emmanuel.Baccelli@inria.fr URI: http://www.emmanuelbaccelli.org/ Gundogan, et al. Expires September 14, 2017 [Page 15] ____________________________________ Georgios Z. Papadopoulos, Ph.D. Associate Professor, IMT Atlantique, Rennes web: www.georgiospapadopoulos.com = twitter: @gzpapadopoulos = tel: +33 (0)2 99 12 70 04 ____________________________________ --Apple-Mail=_28D6F31E-1A0A-4E88-9FAD-9472F1109231 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear authors and Roll,

Below is my review = for draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00.

In overall, I find the document very = interesting and necessary to :
* to avoid reseting = the Tirckle timer on each DIS message, may lead to energy saving and = avoiding the potential congestion in the network.
* = minimize the number of DIO responses on each DIS request, may help to = avoid the congestion and collisions in the network.

Bellow is the draft = contents with my annotations, starting with =E2=80=9C[GP]=E2=80=9D.

Cheers,
Georgios

=E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 =E2=80=94 





Internet Engineering Task Force         =                 C. Gundogan, = Ed.
Internet-Draft     =                     =                     =   HAW Hamburg
Intended status: Standards = Track                  =             D. Barthel
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                 =                     =                     =     E. Baccelli
       =                     =                     =                     = INRIA
        =                     =                     =           March 13, 2017


       =                     = DIS Modifications
        =           = draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-00

Abstract

   This document = augments [RFC6550] with DIS flags and options that
   allow a RPL node to better control how neighbor = RPL routers respond
   to its solicitation = for DIOs.

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Table = of Contents

   1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . = . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
     1.1.  RFC6550 refresher . . . . . . = . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2
     1.2.  Undesirable effects . . . . . = . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
     1.3.  Desired improvments . . . . . = . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4
   2.  Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . = . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   3.  DIS Base = Object flags . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 5
   4.  DIS = Options . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 6
     4.1.  = Metric Container  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 6
     4.2.  = Response Spreading  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 6
     4.3.  = DIO Option Request  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 7
   5.  Full = behavior illustration  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 8
   6.  IANA = Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 9
     6.1.  = DIS Flags . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   = 9
     6.2.  = RPL Control Message Options . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 10
   7.  Security = Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 10
   8.  = Acknowledgements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 10
   9.  = References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 10
     9.1.  = Normative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 10
     9.2.  = Informative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 11
   Appendix A.  = Applications . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 11
     A.1.  A = Leaf Node Joining a DAG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 11
     A.2.  = Identifying A Defunct DAG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 12
     A.3.  = Explicit and Implicit DIO Option Requests . . . . . . . .  = 14
   Appendix B.  = Experimental data  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 15
   Authors' = Addresses  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  = 15

1.  Introduction

   This document = augments [RFC6550], the RPL routing protocol
   specification.

1.1.  RFC6550 = refresher

   Per [RFC6550], a RPL node can send a DODAG = Information Solicitation
   (DIS) message to = solicit DODAG Information Object (DIO) messages from
   neighbor RPL routers.

   A DIS can be = multicast to all the routers in range or it can be
   unicast to a specific neighbor = router.

   A DIS may carry a Solicited Information option = that specifies the
   predicates of the = DAG(s) the soliciting node is interested in.  In
   the absence of such Solicited Information = option, the soliciting node



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   is deemed = interested in receiving DIOs for all the DAGs known by = the
   solicited = router(s).

   [RFC6550] requires a router to treat the receipt = of a multicast DIS
   as an inconsistency = and hence reset its Trickle timers for the
   matching DAGs.  As a result of the general = Trickle timer mechanism,
   future DIOs will be = sent at a higher rate.  See [RFC6206] for the
   specification of Trickle timers and the = definition of
   = "inconsistency".

   [RFC6550] requires a router that receives a = unicast DIS to respond by
   unicasting a DIO = for each matching DAG and to not reset the
   associated Trickle timer.  Such a DIO = generated in response to a
   unicast DIS must = contain a Configuration option.

   This description is = summarized in Table 1.

   = +----------------------------+----------------------+---------------+
   |    =                     =     |     Unicast DIS      | = Multicast DIS |
   = +----------------------------+----------------------+---------------+
   |     no = option present      |  unicast DIO, don't  = |    do reset   |
   |    =                     =     | reset Trickle timer  | Trickle timer = |
   | = -------------------------- | -------------------- | ------------- = |
   |   Solicited = Information    |      do nothing    =   |   do nothing  |
   |    option present, not     = |                    =   |               = |
   |    =       matching          |  =                     | =               |
   | -------------------------- | = -------------------- | ------------- |
   |   Solicited Information    = |  unicast DIO, don't  |    do reset   = |
   |  option = present, matching  | reset Trickle timer  | Trickle timer = |
   = +----------------------------+----------------------+---------------+

  =       Table 1: Router behavior on receiving a DIS, as per = RFC6550

[GP] = In Multicast DIS column, there is no response action like in Unicast DIS = column.
When a multicast DIS is = received, the node will send back a DIO?

[GP] don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94> = do not

   More precisely, Table 1 describes the behavior = of routers for each
   DAG they belong = to.  In the general case where multiple RPL = instances
   co-exist in a = network, routers will maintain a Trickle timer for the
   one DAG of each RPL instance they belong to, and = nodes may send a DIS
   with multiple = Solicited Information options pertaining to different
   DAGs or instances.  In this more general = case, routers will respond
   for each individual = DAG/instance they belong to as per Table 1.

1.2.  Undesirable = effects

   Now, consider a RPL leaf node that desires to = join a certain DAG.
   This node can = either wait for its neighbor RPL routers to voluntarily
   transmit DIOs or it can proactively solicit DIOs = using a DIS message.

[GP] = voluntarily?? Isn=E2=80=99t it based on the Trickle = timer? 
If I am not mistaken, each = device transmits a DIO depending on the Trickle timer.

   Voluntary DIO = transmissions may happen after a very long time if the
   network is stable and the Trickle timer = intervals have reached large



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   values.  Thus, = proactively seeking DIOs using a DIS may be the only
   reasonable option.  Since the node does not = know which neighbor
   routers belong to = the DAG, it must solicit the DIOs using a multicast
   DIS (with predicates of the desired DAG = specified inside a Solicited
   Information = option).  On receiving this DIS, the neighbor = routers
   that belong to the = desired DAG will reset their Trickle timers and
   quickly transmit their DIOs.  The downside = of resetting Trickle
   timers is that the = routers will keep transmitting frequent DIOs for a
   considerable duration until the Trickle timers = again reach long
   intervals.  = These DIO transmissions are unnecessary, consume = precious
   energy and may = contribute to congestion in the network.

   There are other = scenarios where resetting of Trickle timer following
   the receipt of a multicast DIS is not = appropriate.  For example,
   consider a RPL = router that desires to free up memory by deleting
   state for the defunct DAGs it belongs to.  = Identifying a defunct DAG
   may require the = node to solicit DIOs from its DAG parents using a
   multicast DIS.

   Certain scenarios = may require a RPL router to solicit a DIO from a
   parent by using a unicast DIS.  The parent = is forced to include a
   Configuration = option within the unicast DIO, although the requesting
   node might still have this information locally = available.  Since the
   information within = the Configuration option is described as generally
   static and unchanging throughout the DODAG, it = inflates the unicast
   DIO unnecessarily = by 16 bytes for each request.

1.3.  Desired = improvments

   To deal with the situations described above, = there is a need in the
   industry for DIS = flags and options that allow a RPL node to control
   how neighbor RPL routers respond to its = solicitation for DIOs, for
   example by = expressing:

   o  the routing constraints that routers = should meet to be allowed to
      respond, = thereby lowering the number of responders

   o  whether the = responding routers should reset their Trickle timers
  =     or not, thereby limiting the cumulated number of = transmitted DIOs

   o  whether the responding routers should = respond with a unicast DIO
      instead of = a multicast one, thereby lowering the overhearing cost
  =     in the network

   o  whether the = responding routers should omit DIO options that were
  =     not requested explicitely and thus reducing the amount of = traffic
      and giving = full control over the options of the solicited DIO




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   o  the time = interval over which the responding routers should
  =     schedule their DIO transmissions, thereby lowering the = occurence
      of = collisions.

2.  Terminology

   The key words = "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT = RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
   "OPTIONAL" in this = document are to be interpreted as described in
   [RFC2119].

   Additionally, this = document uses terminology from [RFC6550].
   Specifically, the term RPL node refers to a RPL = router or a RPL host
   as defined in = [RFC6550].

3.  DIS Base Object flags

   This document = defines three new flags inside the DIS base object:

[GP] maybe having the original = DIS message format Figure would help to follow the bullet points = below.

   o  the "No Inconsistency" (N) flag: On = receiving a multicast DIS with
      the N flag = set, a RPL router MUST NOT reset the Trickle timers for
  =     the matching DAGs.  In addition, it MUST take = specific action,
      which is to = respond by explicitely sending a DIO.  This DIO = MUST
      include a = Configuration option.  This behavior augments = [RFC6550],
      which had = provision for such flag.  Since this specific, = one-shot
      DIO is not = a consequence of the general Trickle timer mechanism,
  =     it will be sent right away if no Response Spreading option = is
      present or = it will be scheduled according to the Response
  =     Spreading option if one is present in the DIS (see Section = 4.2).

   o  the "DIO Type" (T) flag: In case the N = flag is set, this T flag
      specifies = what type of DIO is sent in response.  It MUST be = a
      unicast DIO = if this flag is set and it MUST be a multicast DIO if
  =     this flag is reset.

[GP] In this second sentence of = this paragraph, please specify which flag is =E2=80=9Cthis flag=E2=80=9D, = the T or N?

   o  the "DIO Option Request" (R) flag: On = receiving a DIS with the R
      flag set, = the receiver MUST include all options that were
  =     requested by the DIS containing one or multiple DIO Option = Request
      = options.  A responding RPL router MUST NOT include DIO = options
      that were = not explicitely requested.  Note that this = behaviour
      contradicts = with [RFC6550] for the case of including a
  =     Configuration option in all DIOs requested by a unicast = DIS.

   When a unicast DIS is transmitted, both its N = and T flags SHOULD be
   0, which are the = default values per [RFC6550].  On receiving a
   unicast DIS, the N and T flags MUST be ignored = and treated as 00.
   When the R flag is = unset, then a RPL router may include or omit DIO
   options like specified in [RFC6550].  A rpl = router responding to a

[GP] rpl =E2=80=94> = RPL



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   DIS with the R flag = set MUST only include all requested DIO options
   in the solicited DIO.

   The modified DIS = base object is shown in Figure 1.

       0 =                   1   =                 2     =               3
  =       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 = 6 7 8 9 0 1
       = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       = |N|T|R|  Flags  |    Reserved   | = Option(s)...
       = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


        =             Figure 1: Modified DIS Base = Object

[GP] = In 6550 defines any bits or all are available?

4.  DIS = Options

4.1.  Metric Container

   In order to lower = the number of routers that will respond to a DIS,
   this document allows routing constraints to be = carried by a DIS.
   Only the router(s) = that satisfy these constraints is (are) allowed to
   respond to the DIS.

   These routing = constraints are described using a Metric Container
   option contained in the DIS.  Metric = Containers are defined in
   [RFC6550] and = [RFC6551].  Metric Containers options were = previously
   only allowed in = DIOs.  This document augments [RFC6550] by = allowing
   the inclusion of a = Metric Container option inside a DIS as well.

   A RPL router that = receives a DIS with a Metric Container option MUST
   ignore any Metric object in it, and MUST = evaluate the "mandatory"
   Constraint objects = in it by comparing the constraint value to the
   value of the corresponding routing metric that = the router maintains
   for the matching = DAG(s).  These routing metric values MUST satisfy
   all the mandatory constraints in order for the = router to consider the
   solicitation = successful for the matching DAG(s).  This augments = the
   behavior already = present in [RFC6550] with the Solicited Information
   option.

   This option can be = used in both unicast and multicast DIS.

4.2.  Response = Spreading









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       =       0               =     1                 =   2
       =       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 = 3
        =     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  =           |  Type =3D 0x0B  |  =   Length     | Spread. Inter.|
  =           = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

        =           Figure 2: The Response Spreading = option

   Even with the use of the Solicited Information = and the Section 4.1
   options, a = multicast DIS may still lead to a large number of RPL
   routers taking immediate action and responding = with DIOs.  Concurrent
   transmissions by = multiple routers are not desirable since they may
   lead to poor channel utilization or even to = packet loss.  Unicast
   DIOs may be able to = avail of link-level retransmissions.  However,
   multicast DIOs usually have no such protection, = since they commonly
   make use of link = layer broadcast.  To avoid such problems, this
   document specifies an optional DIO response = spreading mechanism.

   This document defines a new RPL control message = option called
   Response Spreading = option, shown in Figure 2, with a recommended Type
   value 0x0B (to be confirmed by IANA).  A = RPL router that explicitely
   responds with a = specific, one-shot DIO to a DIS that includes a
   Response Spreading option, MUST wait for a time = uniformly chosen in
   the interval = [O..2^SpreadingInterval], expressed in ms, before
   attempting to transmit its DIO.  If the DIS = does not include a
   Response Spreading = option, the node is free to transmit the DIO as it
   otherwise would.

[GP] if you could further = elaborate this paragraph.
The =E2=80=9CMUST wait for a = time uniformly chosen=E2=80=9D is not clear the concept of randomness = here.

   A Response Spreading option MAY be included = inside a unicast DIS
   message, but there = is no benefit in doing so.

   Multiple Response = Spreading options SHOULD NOT be used inside a same
   DIS message.

   This mechanism MUST = NOT affect the Trickle timer mechanism.

4.3.  DIO Option = Request

             0   =                 1     =               2
             0 1 2 3 4 5 6 = 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3
        =     = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  =           |  Type =3D 0x0C  |  =   Length     | Req. Opt. Type|
  =           = +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

        =           Figure 3: The DIO Option Request = option

   If a unicast DIS is used to request a DIO, then = [RFC6550] mandates
   that a = Configuration option MUST be included in this DIO.  = The



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   Configuration = option contains generally static information that stays
   unmodified throughout the DAG.  For = scenarios where a RPL node is
   already part of a = DAG and hence is holding the information that is
   propagated with the Configuration option, an = inclusion of such leads
   to an unnecesary = inflation of 16 bytes for each solicited DIO.

   As per [RFC6550], = no process is defined to trigger the inclusion of
   other DIO options in a solicited = DIO.

   This document defines a new RPL control message = option called DIO
   Option Request = option, shown in Figure 3, with a recommended Type
   value of 0x0C (to be confirmed by IANA).  = This new option allows full
   control over the = options of the solicited DIO.  The target of a
   unicast or multicast DIS with the R flag set and = with one or more DIO
   Option Request = options included, MUST include these requested options
   in the solicited DIO.  For a DIS with the R = flag unset, a RPL router
   behaves like = described in [RFC6550] with regard to DIO options.

5.  Full behavior = illustration

   Figure 4 and Figure 5 illustrate the normative = behavior described in
   Section 3 and = Section 4.1.

  =                     =       = +--------------------+----------------------
  =                     =       |    Unicast DIS     |   =       Multicast DIS
  =                     =       = +--------------------+--------------------+-
  =                     =       |              =       |         N=3D0    =     |
       = +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+-
       = |                    | = unicast DIO,       |          =           |
       | no option present  | = don't              | do     =             |
       |        =             | reset Trickle timer| reset = Trickle timer|
       = +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+-
       | = Solicited Informa- |              =       |              =       |
       | = tion/Metric Contai-| do nothing         | do nothing =         |
       | ner = option present,|                =     |                =     |
       | not = matching.      |            =         |            =         |
       = +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+-
       | = Solicited Informa- | unicast DIO,       |    =                 = |
       | = tion/Metric Contai-| don't            =   | do                 = |
       | ner = option present,| reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle = timer|
       | = matching.          |        =             |        =             |
       = +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+-

  =                 Figure 4: = Overall DIS behavior, part 1

[GP] the don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94&g= t; do not

   Notice that Figure 4 is indeed identical to = Table 1 when Metric
   Container options = are not used in DIS.




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       =   -------------------------------------------+
  =         Multicast DIS         =                     = |
       =   ----------------------+--------------------+
  =         |      N=3D1, T=3D0  =     |      N=3D1, T=3D1      = |
       =   -+--------------------+--------------------+
  =         | multicast DIO,     | unicast = DIO,       |
        =   | don't              | = don't              |
  =         | reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle = timer|
       =   -+--------------------+--------------------+
  =         |            =         |            =         |
        =   | do nothing         | do nothing   =       |
        =   |                  =   |                  =   |
        =   |                  =   |                  =   |
       =   -+--------------------+--------------------+
  =         | multicast DIO,     | unicast = DIO,       |
        =   | don't              | = don't              |
  =         | reset Trickle timer| reset Trickle = timer|
        =   |                  =   |                  =   |
       =   -+--------------------+--------------------+

        =           Figure 5: Overall DIS behavior, part = 2

[GP] = the don=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94> do not

   For the sake of = completeness, let's remind here that a specific, one-
   shot DIO generated in response to a DIS with the = R flag unset MUST
   contain a = Configuration option.  If the R flag is set, then this = DIO
   contains only = explicitely requested DIO options.  This DIO's
   transmission is delayed according to the Delay = Spreading option of
   the DIS, if one = such option is present.

6.  IANA = Considerations

6.1.  DIS Flags

   IANA is requested = to allocate bits 0, 1 and 2 of the DIS Flag Field
   to become the "No Inconsistency", "DIO Type", = and "DIO Option
   Request" bits, the = functionality of which is described in Section 3
   of this document.

        =       = +-------+--------------------+---------------+
  =             | Value |      = Meaning       |   Reference   = |
        =       = +-------+--------------------+---------------+
  =             |   0   |  No = Inconsistency  | This document |
  =             |   1   |  =     DIO Type      | This document = |
        =       |   2   | DIO Option Request | This = document |
        =       = +-------+--------------------+---------------+






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6.2.  RPL Control Message = Options

   IANA is requested to allocate a new code point = in the "RPL Control
   Message Options" = registry for the "Response Spreading" option and the
   "Dio Option Request" option, the behavior of = which are described in
   Section 4.2 and = Section 4.3, respectively.

[GP] Dio =E2=80=94> = DIO

  =             = +-------+--------------------+---------------+
  =             | Value |      = Meaning       |   Reference   = |
        =       = +-------+--------------------+---------------+
  =             |  0x0B | Response = Spreading | This document |
        =       |  0x0C | DIO Option Request | This document = |
        =       = +-------+--------------------+---------------+

        =                 RPL Control = Message Options

7.  Security Considerations

   = TBA

8.  Acknowledgements

   A lot of text in = this document originates from now-expired [I-
   D.goyal-roll-dis-modifications] co-authored with = M.  Goyal.  The
   requirements and = solutions also draw from now-expired [I-D.dejean-
   roll-selective-dis] co-authored with N.  = Dejean.  Their contribution
   is deeply = acknowledged.

   We also thank (TBA) for their useful feedback = and discussion.

9.  References

9.1.  Normative = References

   [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key words for use = in RFCs to Indicate
        =       Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC = 2119,
        =       DOI 10.17487/RFC2119, March 1997,
  =             <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2119>.

   [RFC6550]  = Winter, T., Ed., Thubert, P., Ed., Brandt, A., Hui, J.,
  =             Kelsey, R., Levis, P., Pister, = K., Struik, R., Vasseur,
        =       JP., and R. Alexander, "RPL: IPv6 Routing Protocol = for
        =       Low-Power and Lossy Networks", RFC = 6550,
        =       DOI 10.17487/RFC6550, March 2012,
  =             <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6550>.






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   [RFC6551]  = Vasseur, JP., Ed., Kim, M., Ed., Pister, K., Dejean, = N.,
        =       and D. Barthel, "Routing Metrics Used for Path = Calculation
        =       in Low-Power and Lossy Networks", RFC = 6551,
        =       DOI 10.17487/RFC6551, March 2012,
  =             <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6551>.

9.2.  Informative = References

   [RFC4861]  Narten, T., Nordmark, E., = Simpson, W., and H. Soliman,
        =       "Neighbor Discovery for IP version 6 (IPv6)", RFC = 4861,
        =       DOI 10.17487/RFC4861, September = 2007,
        =       <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc4861>.

   [RFC5184]  = Teraoka, F., Gogo, K., Mitsuya, K., Shibui, R., and K.
  =             Mitani, "Unified Layer 2 (L2) = Abstractions for Layer 3
        =       (L3)-Driven Fast Handover", RFC = 5184,
        =       DOI 10.17487/RFC5184, May 2008,
  =             <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5184>.

   [RFC5881]  = Katz, D. and D. Ward, "Bidirectional Forwarding = Detection
        =       (BFD) for IPv4 and IPv6 (Single Hop)", RFC = 5881,
        =       DOI 10.17487/RFC5881, June 2010,
  =             <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5881>.

   [RFC6206]  = Levis, P., Clausen, T., Hui, J., Gnawali, O., and J. = Ko,
        =       "The Trickle Algorithm", RFC 6206, DOI = 10.17487/RFC6206,
        =       March 2011, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6206>.

Appendix A.  = Applications

   This section details two example mechanisms that = use the DIS flags
   and options defined = in this document.  The first mechanism describes
   how a leaf node may join a desired DAG in an = energy efficient manner.
   The second = mechanism details how a node may identify defunct DAGs = for
   which it still = maintains state.

A.1.  A Leaf Node Joining a DAG

   A new leaf node = that joins an established LLN runs an iterative
   algorithm in which it requests (using multicast = DIS) DIOs from
   routers belonging = to the desired DAG.

   The DIS message has the "No Inconsistency" flag = set to prevent
   resetting of = Trickle timer in responding routers, thereby keeping = the
   aggregated number = of transmissions low.  It also has the "DIO Type"
   flag set to make responding routers send unicast = DIOs back, thereby
   not triggering full = reception in nearby nodes that have state-of-the-
   art radio receivers with hardware-based address = filtering.



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   The DIS message can = include a Response Spreading option prescribing a
   suitable spreading interval based on the = expected density of nearby
   routers and on the = expected Layer 2 technology.

   The DIS will likely = include a Metric Container listing the routing
   constraints that the responding routers must = satisfy in order to be
   allowed to = respond.

   At each iteration, the node multicasts such a = DIS and waits for
   forthcoming = DIOs.  After a time equal to the spreading interval, = the
   node considers the = current iteration to be unsuccessful.  The node
   consequently relaxes the routing constraints = somewhat and proceeds to
   the next = iteration.

   The cycle repeats until the node receives one or = more DIOs or until
   it has relaxed the = constraints to the lowest acceptable values.

   This algorithm has = been proven in the field to be extremely energy-
   efficient, especially when routers have a wide = communication range.

A.2.  Identifying A Defunct DAG

   A RPL node may = remove a neighbor from its parent set for a DAG for a
   number of reasons:

   o  The = neighbor is no longer reachable, as determined using a
  =     mechanism such as Neighbor Unreachanility Detection = (NUD)
      [RFC4861], = Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) [RFC5881] or
  =     L2 triggers [RFC5184]; or

   o  The = neighbor advertises an infinite rank in the DAG; or

   o  Keeping the = neighbor as a parent would required the node to
  =     increase its rank beyond L + DAGMaxRankIncrease, where L = is the
      minimum = rank the node has had in this DAG; or

   o  The = neighbor advertises membership in a different DAG within = the
      same RPL = Instance, where a different DAG is recognised by a
  =     different DODAGID or a different = DODAGVersionNumber.

   Even if the conditions listed above exist, a RPL = node may fail to
   remove a neighbor = from its parent set because:

   o  The node = may fail to receive the neighbor's DIOs advertising an
  =     increased rank or the neighbor's membership in a different = DAG;

   o  The node may not check, and hence may = not detect, the neighbor's
      = unreachability for a long time.  For example, the node may = not



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      have any = data to send to this neighbor and hence may not = encounter
      any event = (such as failure to send data to this neighbor) that
  =     would trigger a check for the neighbor's = reachability.

   In such cases, a node would continue to consider = itself attached to a
   DAG even if all its = parents in the DAG are unreachable or have moved
   to different DAGs.  Such a DAG can be = characterized as being defunct
   from the node's = perspective.  If the node maintains state about a
   large number of defunct DAGs, such state may = prevent a considerable
   portion of the = total memory in the node from being available for more
   useful purposes.

   To alleviate the = problem described above, a RPL node may invoke the
   following procedure to identify a defunct DAG = and delete the state it
   maintains for this = DAG.  Note that, given the proactive nature of RPL
   protocol, the lack of data traffic using a DAG = can not be considered
   a reliable = indication of the DAG's defunction.  Further, the = Trickle
   timer based control = of DIO transmissions means the possibility of an
   indefinite delay in the receipt of a new DIO = from a functional DAG
   parent.  = Hence, the mechanism described here is based on the use of = a
   DIS message to = solicit DIOs about a DAG suspected of defunction.
   Further, a multicast DIS is used so as to avoid = the need to query
   each parent = individually and also to discover other neighbor = routers
   that may serve as = the node's new parents in the DAG.

   When a RPL node has = not received a DIO from any of its parents in a
   DAG for more than a locally configured time = duration:

   o  The node generates a multicast DIS = message with:

  =     *  the "No Inconsistency" flag set so that the = responding routers
       =   do not reset their Trickle timers.

      *  the = "DIO Type" flag not set so that the responding routers = send
       =   multicast DIOs and other nodes in the vicinity do not need = to
       =   invoke this procedure.

      *  a = Solicited Information option to identify the DAG in = question.
       =   This option must have the I and D flags set and = the
       =   RPLInstanceID/DODAGID fields must be set to values = identifying
       =   the DAG.  The V flag inside the Solicited Information = option
       =   should not be set so as to allow the neighbors to send = DIOs
       =   advertising the latest version of the DAG.

      *  a = Response Spreading option specifying a suitable time = interval
       =   over which the DIO responses may arrive.





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   o  After = sending the DIS, the node waits for the duration = specified
      inside the = Response Spreading option to receive the DIOs generated
  =     by its neighbors.  At the conclusion of the wait = duration:

  =     *  If the node has received one or more DIOs = advertising newer
       =   version(s) of the DAG, it joins the latest version of the = DAG,
       =   selects a new parent set among the neighbors advertising = the
       =   latest DAG version and marks the DAG status as = functional.

  =     *  Otherwise, if the node has not received a DIO = advertising the
       =   current version of the DAG from a neighbor in the parent = set,
       =   it removes that neighbor from the parent set.  As a result, = if
       =   the node has no parent left in the DAG, it marks the DAG = as
       =   defunct and schedule the deletion of the state it = has
       =   maintained for the DAG after a locally configured = "hold"
       =   duration.  (This is because, as per RPL specification, when = a
       =   node no longer has any parents left in a DAG, it is = still
       =   required to remember the DAG's identity = (RPLInstanceID,
       =   DODAGID, DODAGVersionNumber), the lowest rank (L) it has had = in
       =   this DAG and the DAGMaxRankIncrease value for the DAG for = a
       =   certain time interval to ensure that the node does not join = an
       =   earlier version of the DAG and does not rejoin the = current
       =   version of the DAG at a rank higher than L +
         = DAGMaxRankIncrease.)

A.3.  Explicit and Implicit DIO Option = Requests

   Certain information from a DIO is only needed = occasionally or for
   specific = events:

   o  A Configuration option contains = information that is static and
      stays = mostly unchanged during the lifetime of the DODAG.  = Thus,
      the = Configuration option is important when joining the DODAG, = but
      inflates = the DIO unnecessarily thereafter.

   o  A Prefix = Information option is also useful when joining a DODAG = to
      perform = address autoconfiguration and propagating the prefixes.
  =     After that, it is only relevant when changes occure that = would
      affect the = prefix information (new prefixes, lifetime updates,
  =     ...).

   o  More DIO options may be added in the = future that have similar
      properties = as mentioned above.

   The Configuration and Prefix Information options = may be omitted from
   the trickle timer = based DIOs, leading to less bytes for each DIO.
   Once a RPL router decides to join a DODAG, it = may solicit a DIO by
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   options = included.  One for the Configuration option, the other = for
   the Prefix = Information option.  Upon receiving these options in = the
   next DIO, the RPL = router can successfully finish the joining process.

Appendix B.  Experimental = data

   The effectiveness of these flags and options has = been measured on
   real industrial = hardware.

   Data to be added

Authors' = Addresses

   Cenk Gundogan (editor)
   HAW Hamburg

   Email: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de


   Dominique = Barthel
   = Orange
   28 Chemin Du Vieux = Chene, BP 98
   Meylan  = 38243
   = France

   Email: dominique.barthel@orange.com


   Emmanuel = Baccelli
   = INRIA

   Phone: +33-169-335-511
   Email: Emmanuel.Baccelli@inria.fr
   URI:   http://www.emmanuelbaccelli.org/

















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____________________________________

Georgios Z. = Papadopoulos, Ph.D.
Associate Professor, IMT = Atlantique, Rennes

web:   www.georgiospapadopoulos.com
twitter:  @gzpapadopoulos
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Call for reviews for draft-koutsiamanis-roll-traffic-aware-of-00 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:28:41 -0000 On 2019-06-06 6:14 a.m., Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > We would like to have reviews > for draft-koutsiamanis-roll-traffic-aware-of-00. I have read it. It seems like it is way overdue to have this work. } The difficulty lies in the method of partitioning the traffic to multiple parents. But, what about the cost of the downward traffic? We have to attach to one parent or the other to get traffic routed right. Maybe in non-storing we can do something smarter with projected-DAO? It's good that [I-D.ietf-6tisch-enrollment-enhanced-beacon] is referenced. But maybe https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-6tisch-roll-enrollment-priority/ also needs to be updated to take into account the remaining throughput priority. I think that the document would benefit from distinguishing between the cases where a node has already enrolled from the situation where the node needs to enroll. The set of information is not the same. 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24 Jul 2019 22:16:27 +0200 To: roll@ietf.org References: <206E0540-ED7A-4504-B2F8-668AE3BBE333@cisco.com> From: Yasuyuki Tanaka Message-ID: <6b48c86f-e928-b826-d49f-f8fb9157b7e9@inria.fr> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:16:26 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <206E0540-ED7A-4504-B2F8-668AE3BBE333@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WGAdoption for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:16:32 -0000 I support this work. Best, Yatch On 7/24/2019 3:59 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Support > > This is an infrastructure document. We need it yesterday so we can use it in the other drafts. > > > Regards, > > Pascal > >> Le 24 juil. 2019 à 15:06, Ines Robles a écrit : >> >> Dear all, >> >> This is a WG adoption call for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext from 24-07-2019 to 07-08-2019. >> >> Please let us know your comments, >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ines and Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > From nobody Wed Jul 24 14:31:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411121206D4 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LfcYiIi_CxcP for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CB96120605 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 407CA1F44B for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id AAF201A97; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:31:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Ines Robles message dated "Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:06:05 +0300." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <30689.1564003876@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WGAdoption for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:31:03 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ines Robles wrote: > This is a WG adoption call for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext from 24-07-20= 19 to > 07-08-2019. > Please let us know your comments, I have read the document, and I think it should be adopted. I think that the mop=3D=3D7 calculation should be changed, but we can do th= at after adoption. =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl04ziQACgkQlUzhVv38 QpA4Zgf/cPPwOrCcbGSzv6CgADJq3kApISHFADWG6Lar5gCs7cLDY6AdzNl8Dl54 4ErWNPQyn7dO5/Es791AJe1ijjX1xGg94nthk3dU5ZbgfCtEsuiJV256pBQSTkYP y7BUTno55dMuSXC6JqFNJTXz5NfZ7dnl4sn4/vMTbqyPitNJi6xFd1/N0AcHqyYj dwi6aYIeV82oQa6T53QqPm5dq+V/0Iq51j/0Uu5zQY4eFIgS58wxACB4oqO+8wB5 sJhpsURHohfNn0cqbgw36fQ/5fAw8EYSzqlRS4TQr9u064Rc8W9PMEjXiToTndNa qmCW/ekTZOBvdwOBsg7gqiMElrPDBA== =ar0D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 14:48:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150BF120141 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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The suggestion I made at the mike in addition to this was that 7 in the MOP= means that the MOP is in the ext. If there is no ext then the MOP is elide= d in this DIO, need to wait for the next one. All the best, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll On Behalf Of Michael Richardson > Sent: mercredi 24 juillet 2019 14:31 > To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Subject: Re: [Roll] WGAdoption for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext >=20 >=20 > Ines Robles wrote: > > This is a WG adoption call for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext from 24-07-= 2019 to > > 07-08-2019. >=20 > > Please let us know your comments, >=20 > I have read the document, and I think it should be adopted. > I think that the mop=3D=3D7 calculation should be changed, but we can do = that > after adoption. >=20 >=20 > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works - > =3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- >=20 >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 24 14:51:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D37120141 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPPJXzH3Fxbp for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80DE51200CE for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9286C1F44B for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 074DE1B00; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: <30689.1564003876@dooku.sandelman.ca> Comments: In-reply-to "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" message dated "Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:47:35 -0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:52:04 -0400 Message-ID: <632.1564005124@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] eliding mop ext X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:51:46 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > The suggestion I made at the mike in addition to this was that 7 in t= he > MOP means that the MOP is in the ext. If there is no ext then the MOP > is elided in this DIO, need to wait for the next one. the mop is in every DIO. You are suggesting that the mopext might not need to be sent in every DIO? =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl040wMACgkQlUzhVv38 QpCnaAf/byUbPyz/ZOKlIjWRLVK05c7KhWZPijqAfxt42fVLNzxq28RUMpJ2bYKR 0KKNlYYndiDK8qD4EP4L+khrngrXvSjANvu60/XrKZ80vD9zq+0G7NddjBw6riq5 2gH4EEhpOxFgSkKzfNYRw0KHqJhEqZffID1vsqe2xtG+4TeHxHcQrJt4tXpHVHSr JNDiVIAGCiIgh7jbtzBjFoZejBEKoWK2lgu+UFWUfkvHKaa5cePSwr//W/Ja9z4l 9TAmAoUNEdDRmv05GM7VBuBgOXbB66NhXsQUz47mU0r6vtV21/BVZIY0O/D2ekEC Rin1ql+eUWvdv39MaF14Y9260aBqiw== =w9Tb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 14:54:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A920F120141 for ; 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Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:54:04 +0000 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Thread-Topic: Add ROVR in DAO? 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X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:54:11 -0000 --_000_MN2PR11MB35652CCE7A961CD581EDE47DD8C60MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all The only change I foresee in the unaware leaves draft is the addition of th= e RFC 8505 ROVR from the ND EARO into the DAO. After that I'd feel ready to= call for WGLC. The proposed change enables to build a full EDAR message at the root, and a= voids the weird processing of the keep-alive EDAR (see https://tools.ietf.o= rg/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02#section-7.4) If we do it now we can forget that weird format (all ones RIVR) and never c= ode for it. This may also be useful when we work on securing the DAO using = the AP ND proof of ownership all the way to the root. Please let me know if there's disagreement to make that change All the best Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB35652CCE7A961CD581EDE47DD8C60MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

The only change I foresee in the unaware leaves draf= t is the addition of the RFC 8505 ROVR from the ND EARO into the DAO. After= that I’d feel ready to call for WGLC.

 

The proposed change enables to build a full EDAR mes= sage at the root, and avoids the weird processing of the keep-alive EDAR (s= ee https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-02#section-7.= 4)

If we do it now we can forget that weird format (all= ones RIVR) and never code for it. This may also be useful when we work on = securing the DAO using the AP ND proof of ownership all the way to the root= .

 

Please let me know if there’s disagreement to = make that change

 

All the best

 

Pascal

 

 

 

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: abf11298-6d6c-427f-d131-08d71082013b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 24 Jul 2019 21:58:04.6955 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: pthubert@cisco.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB4157 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.13, xch-aln-003.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-10.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] eliding mop ext X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:58:10 -0000 Yes, that was actually Rahul's suggestion.=20 We already elide the DODAG configuration option in some DIOs. This may be e= lided as well in some DIO messages if room is needed for something else. Hopefully it would be elided only if there is a good reason. All the best, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll On Behalf Of Michael Richardson > Sent: mercredi 24 juillet 2019 14:52 > To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Subject: [Roll] eliding mop ext >=20 >=20 > Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > The suggestion I made at the mike in addition to this was that 7 in= the > > MOP means that the MOP is in the ext. If there is no ext then the M= OP > > is elided in this DIO, need to wait for the next one. >=20 > the mop is in every DIO. > You are suggesting that the mopext might not need to be sent in every DIO= ? >=20 > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh netwo= rks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network archite= ct [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails= [ >=20 From nobody Wed Jul 24 15:10:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636041202EC for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:10:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all Following up on stitching PDAO paths at the meeting today: As you know, a 6TiSCH Track can be a lot more complex than a sequence of no= des (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#sect= ion-4.5.3) It results that deploying a Track requires stitching segments into a DODAG = from source to destination. What makes the most sense for a 6TISCH Track is probably that each track is= defined as a DODAG local instance for the source. All the PDAO segments wo= uld be stitched together into that DODAG to form a Track. The current draft allows for this but a section that explains it all would = certainly be useful. Are we all OK that I propose some text about that? All the best Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB35654E17AC76C7BB7DDD9096D8C60MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

Following up on stitching PDAO paths at the meeting = today:

 

As you know, a 6TiSCH Track can be a lot more comple= x than a sequence of nodes (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tis= ch-architecture-24#section-4.5.3)

It results that deploying a Track requires stitching= segments into a DODAG from source to destination.

What makes the most sense for a 6TISCH Track is prob= ably that each track is defined as a DODAG local instance for the source. A= ll the PDAO segments would be stitched together into that DODAG to form a T= rack.

The current draft allows for this but a section that= explains it all would certainly be useful.

 

Are we all OK that I propose some text about that?

 

All the best

 

Pascal

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all Following up on the WG meeting today: It makes sense to make the draft complete by adding a sibling information i= n the Non storing mode DAO to the root. This was the root can compute more = optimized P DAO. Are we OK that I include some text and a proposed format about that in the = next revision? All the best Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB35651875289F99DDB70BEB93D8C60MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

Following up on the WG meeting today:

 

It makes sense to make the draft complete by adding = a sibling information in the Non storing mode DAO to the root. This was the= root can compute more optimized P DAO.

 

Are we OK that I include some text and a proposed fo= rmat about that in the next revision?

 

All the best

 

Pascal

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(UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 5D2381B00; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: <77E0C031-82C2-422A-9333-6F7B02C4B3C4@cisco.com> References: <77E0C031-82C2-422A-9333-6F7B02C4B3C4@cisco.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Li Zhao (liz3)" message dated "Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:41:49 -0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:22:39 -0400 Message-ID: <10416.1564014159@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Querying PDAO X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:22:20 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > Following up on querying PDAO from root at the meeting today: > It makes sense to provide a querying mechanism for node which can get= PDAO > from root. Then node can query special PDAO route entry according to = its > special requirement. For example, route hop, latency, route algorithm, > remaining lifetime. So, if I understand, you are asking that a given node X, having traffic to node Y, should be able to ask the root to project a DAO towards Y? =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl049k4ACgkQlUzhVv38 QpAvCggAmMCz91Zc1S9/zQg/82Ovf3G8dflu3MlhVC2nsmIahu+QO/jVEjRwVvTV DtW412v0nYM/hWLS8MzjgRwKDszNA4qGRJ1JfXJhmn6gNODKtTcSi+Ur9GRnCvoR 6bFbQ2wNXRYjKEUJsN7ZdMQPPF+uPCToCmdipLhCMqoBfd8PoAUgbKg2QtWAnt9q b4JXfV7ZjjQLDeg3WGaprFY1CM+LEZAmb2dAgLLW9dmfFcbNrP927KoMkIQAeOWF AseO0NdjSSz1OVMjCOn87fOyEC55tQ6rvLw0eumOH/wgCgDvW2ERCfQU7AYhRgY+ OdQZGoCPv+KsdAxfelgxCpl8f+/cNw== =IXaE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 24 17:33:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AB31203E9 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CxzvxREX3R18 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C28BE1200B8 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A3F8947604FE8A667277 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:33:41 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.57) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:33:41 +0100 Received: from lhreml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.57) by lhreml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:33:41 +0100 Received: from BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.45) by lhreml708-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 01:33:40 +0100 Received: from BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.9.111]) by BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 06:03:31 +0530 From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Thread-Topic: Sibling information Thread-Index: AdVCbFxjQmGr9n08QiSNVldJ8OXwSAAEwVbw Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:33:31 +0000 Message-ID: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF5BC96@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-IN, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.109.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF5BC96BLREML503MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Sibling information X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:33:46 -0000 --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF5BC96BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, Isn't it already possible to send multiple Transit Information Option in DA= O in non-storing MOP for a node to inform root of node's multiple parents? I understand you mentioned sibling information but I am wondering how root = makes use of sibling information to optimize P-DAO. I can clearly relate ho= w root can use multiple parent's info to optimize P-DAO but not sure how si= bling info will help. Regards, Rahul From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthu= bert) Sent: 25 July 2019 06:12 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: [Roll] Sibling information Dear all Following up on the WG meeting today: It makes sense to make the draft complete by adding a sibling information i= n the Non storing mode DAO to the root. This was the root can compute more = optimized P DAO. Are we OK that I include some text and a proposed format about that in the = next revision? All the best Pascal --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF5BC96BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pascal,<= /span>

 

Isn’t it already= possible to send multiple Transit Information Option in DAO in non-storing= MOP for a node to inform root of node’s multiple parents?=

I understand you menti= oned sibling information but I am wondering how root makes use of sibling i= nformation to optimize P-DAO. I can clearly relate how root can use multipl= e parent’s info to optimize P-DAO but not sure how sibling info will help.

 

Regards,

Rahul

 

 

From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: 25 July 2019 06:12
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: [Roll] Sibling information

 

Dear all

 

Following up on the WG meeting today:

 

It makes sense to make the draft complete by adding = a sibling information in the Non storing mode DAO to the root. This was the= root can compute more optimized P DAO.

 

Are we OK that I include some text and a proposed fo= rmat about that in the next revision?

 

All the best

 

Pascal

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charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, I thought 6TiSCH Track forwarding is a completely different forwarding sche= me from RPL/IPv6 forwarding, as implied in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-i= etf-6tisch-architecture-24#section-3.6 In that case, we don't have to relate DAO projection and Track, I think. Or, maybe DAO projection is one implementation of Track forwarding, with RP= L root playing the role of PCE? From: Roll On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:10 AM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: [Roll] stitching PDAO segments Dear all Following up on stitching PDAO paths at the meeting today: As you know, a 6TiSCH Track can be a lot more complex than a sequence of no= des (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#sect= ion-4.5.3) It results that deploying a Track requires stitching segments into a DODAG = from source to destination. What makes the most sense for a 6TISCH Track is probably that each track is= defined as a DODAG local instance for the source. All the PDAO segments wo= uld be stitched together into that DODAG to form a Track. The current draft allows for this but a section that explains it all would = certainly be useful. Are we all OK that I propose some text about that? All the best Pascal --_000_OSAPR01MB2372DD841FEFA8B1F4884287E5C10OSAPR01MB2372jpnp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pascal,

 

I thought 6TiSCH Track forwarding is a completel= y different forwarding scheme

from RPL/IPv6 forwarding, as implied in https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#section-3.6

 

In that case, we don't have to relate DAO projec= tion and Track, I think.

Or, maybe DAO projection is one implementation o= f Track forwarding, with RPL root playing

the role of PCE?

 

 

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:10 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: [Roll] stitching PDAO segments

 

Dear all

 

Following up on stitching PDAO = paths at the meeting today:

 

As you know, a 6TiSCH Track can= be a lot more complex than a sequence of nodes (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#section-4.5.3= )

It results that deploying a Tra= ck requires stitching segments into a DODAG from source to destination.

What makes the most sense for a= 6TISCH Track is probably that each track is defined as a DODAG local insta= nce for the source. All the PDAO segments would be stitched together into t= hat DODAG to form a Track.

The current draft allows for th= is but a section that explains it all would certainly be useful.=

 

Are we all OK that I propose so= me text about that?

 

All the best<= /p>

 

Pascal

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charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, I'm interested in this feature. Having a standardized way to collect (both DIO- and DAO-based) topology inf= ormation sounds useful for management and monitoring purposes, too. From: Roll On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:12 AM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: [Roll] Sibling information Dear all Following up on the WG meeting today: It makes sense to make the draft complete by adding a sibling information i= n the Non storing mode DAO to the root. This was the root can compute more = optimized P DAO. Are we OK that I include some text and a proposed format about that in the = next revision? All the best Pascal --_000_OSAPR01MB2372460662A3307898F755B9E5C10OSAPR01MB2372jpnp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Pascal,

 =

I'm interested in this f= eature.

 =

Having a standardized wa= y to collect (both DIO- and DAO-based) topology information sounds useful f= or

management and monitorin= g purposes, too.

 =

 =

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:12 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: [Roll] Sibling information

 

Dear all

 

Following up on the WG meeting = today:

 

It makes sense to make the draf= t complete by adding a sibling information in the Non storing mode DAO to t= he root. This was the root can compute more optimized P DAO.

 

Are we OK that I include some t= ext and a proposed format about that in the next revision?

 

All the best<= /p>

 

Pascal

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bh=hwie0wiOtLu9ceTJRxrHdjZ+rUWdRqk7PJ4UWyt2g70=; h=Mime-Version:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=RbAKf2M2uC6cRg853jHBABNDG52PkncKIYks9TGMDOoMoDX476J3G3s2OzokcrmxV z4CypHZAAR7iqO+IUsIFG3J+xsdqEC84tNBTFjU4RCxGKjEALILrcj4gpAMAuwwMeH F8HXVapLh/NTQIld1zb4HoK0FE2JQY+T7gfbRwdI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zproxy120.enst.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id fQ9bLnhxAqOT for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:31:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:d11f:815d:fbc9:b4db] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:d11f:815d:fbc9:b4db]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C53F5816B0 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:31:30 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:31:30 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D6E008E-1659-4934-A35F-7691446F4ECE@imt-atlantique.fr> References: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WGAdoption for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:31:39 -0000 I have read the draft and gave my review. I support this document. Georgios > On Jul 24, 2019, at 15:06, Ines Robles = wrote: >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > This is a WG adoption call for draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext from = 24-07-2019 to 07-08-2019. >=20 > Please let us know your comments, >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Ines and Peter > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Thu Jul 25 08:37:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8816312026E for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:37:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id noUS4YTQBPB2 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2EE51201DA for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (dhcp-9d9a.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.157.154]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 361A31F44B for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id B61291D76; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: <77E0C031-82C2-422A-9333-6F7B02C4B3C4@cisco.com> <10416.1564014159@dooku.sandelman.ca> Comments: In-reply-to "Li Zhao (liz3)" message dated "Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:02:46 -0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: <18422.1564069052@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Querying PDAO X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:37:15 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > Correct. If the application on node X wants to ask a nearest path to > node Y, PDAO draft doesn't provide any mechanism. P2PRPL tries to do this, but you are suggesting that instead of learing it, the root should just know it. This goes to some of the PCE cases, I think. Is there PCE technology we can use? DAO-projection does not create a route that is remembered, rather it prefix= es it to a particular packet. So you'd want node X to be able to ask the root for such a source route? > I think PDAO draft need to cover this case. Maybe how and when to use > PDAO is out of scope of this draft.=20 > But at least we need to reserve the asking capability and define the > protocol. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl05zLwACgkQlUzhVv38 QpAt7wf8CLaLCNB9V3BaxMsnyJaXBGFZ26Zty3z0k9oehCsp/ls6g7nl1ZyI6UKU fRx8j24JVTV09zqlXU0ERmukK/I8ZAXgi+9zLcFXXMXmB/jNItS88gX7L1u1HBlg yTTZitlzV/8HAck104pVtKxFzc0VsMxGdxBvnfPSRqOf1fP676itFDHfjKzvheu/ 49I9a7p3CWN1jaqWowOW6UIoo17twq/lzFEkGYaHOIHecL0Pke0hbPew1FMAoFA8 /99qjgxz7YhCchGr82bPeXQq+7f3M3YUYs6DbQ+ZZphFD2jDPl3ldT5JpDBH5ukS tX6LDIRPfuz1+hLKmO2UPntUVS2zAA== =1IPJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Jul 25 08:46:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E29120233 for ; 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Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:46:18 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_055883ca410add3a04904695acb6e667" Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:46:17 -0400 From: Peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <7a0edcd69d2fd69f9fe038e26d6762dc@bbhmail.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [31.133.156.244] Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Summary of ROLL meeting X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:46:23 -0000 --=_055883ca410add3a04904695acb6e667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi ROLL, Our summary of ROLL meeting is shown below, Ines and Peter draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection: Good progress on the draft that has become stable. Open issues are going to be addressed . Pascal will suggest additions that have to be discussed in ML. Draft depends on Mop-ext draft. draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves: Reviews on this draft are needed, Decision not to include MPL and Trickle consequences. draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension : This draft is pretty stable and no issues are known. Implementation is deployed. WGLC to be started after a couple of reviews. draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext: Draft will keep both MOP and CAP subjects, use cases depend on both aspects. Dao-projection depends on this draft. Proposal for adoption is accepted. Draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138: No decision on this draft. For Peter, scope, purpose and relation to existing decision algorithms need to be clarified. Discussion on ROLL-BIER: After several discussions the interests of the authors have become much clearer. Due to changes in priorities the Design Team is dissolved with thanks to Toerless. The multicast draft by Carsten needs to place itself with respect to the Bier Roll protocols envisaged by Pascal. Charter: The aim is not to change the charter and steer with milestones. -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_055883ca410add3a04904695acb6e667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Hi ROLL,

Our summary of ROL= L meeting is shown below,

Ines and Peter


draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection: <= /span>

Good progress on the draft that has be= come stable. Open issues are going to be addressed . Pascal will suggest ad= ditions that have to be discussed in ML. Draft depends on Mop-ext draft.


draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves:=

Reviews on this draft are needed, Deci= sion not to include MPL and Trickle consequences.


draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension : <= /span>

This draft is pretty stable and no iss= ues are known. Implementation is deployed. WGLC to be started after a coupl= e of reviews.

 

draft-rahul-roll-mop-ext:

Draft will keep both MOP and CAP subje= cts, use cases depend on both aspects. Dao-projection depends on this draft= =2E Proposal for adoption is accepted.


Draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138:

No decision on this draft. For Peter, = scope, purpose and relation to existing decision algorithms need to be clar= ified.


Discussion on ROLL-BIER:

After several discussions the interest= s of the authors have become much clearer. Due to changes in priorities the= Design  Team is dissolved with thanks to Toerless. The multicast draf= t by Carsten needs to place itself with respect to the Bier Roll protocols = envisaged by Pascal.


Charter:

The aim is not to change the charter a= nd steer with milestones.


--
= Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanders= tok.org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673     F: +33(0)= 966015248
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X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.17, xch-rcd-007.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-8.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Querying PDAO X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:27:03 -0000 Hello Michael: I'd reward saying that DAO is the centralized way of doing what P2P RPL ach= ieves in a distributed reactive fashion: a local DODAG that implements the = concept of a 6TiSCH Track. With the current spec the packets flow down the DODAG only, against the DOD= AG orientation. The root the DODAG is the source of the packets, and the RP= L classical forwarding apply for storing and non-storing. =20 The difference is in the control: there is no DIO messaging on the local DO= DAG, and the DAO messaging is initiated by the main root as opposed to the = distributed nodes. If we need a return channel well need to introduce a DIO that would be floo= ded the other way, or a DODAG in the other direction like AODV does. So yes, P DAO installs routes, normally as different DODAGs typically as so= urce-local RPL instances. The PCE may be hidden within or separated behind = the main root, in which case the main root acts as proxy. The expectation so far was that the request o establish a path would come f= rom the application but the general DetNet model also enables the host to m= ake that request. With P DAO that means a message from the node to the root with a TSPEC that= allows the root to compute a constrained DODAG. Can be a DIS. The DODAG is decomposed in linear segments that are installed separately us= ing the PDAO messaging in a same local instance owned by the local root. We= probably need to explain all that a lot better.=20 RAW would be how we optimize the runtime of the projected DODAG. All the best, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll On Behalf Of Michael Richardson > Sent: jeudi 25 juillet 2019 11:38 > To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Subject: Re: [Roll] Querying PDAO >=20 >=20 > Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > Correct. If the application on node X wants to ask a nearest path t= o > > node Y, PDAO draft doesn't provide any mechanism. >=20 > P2PRPL tries to do this, but you are suggesting that instead of learing i= t, the > root should just know it. This goes to some of the PCE cases, I think. >=20 > Is there PCE technology we can use? >=20 > DAO-projection does not create a route that is remembered, rather it pref= ixes > it to a particular packet. So you'd want node X to be able to ask the ro= ot for > such a source route? >=20 > > I think PDAO draft need to cover this case. Maybe how and when to u= se > > PDAO is out of scope of this draft. > > But at least we need to reserve the asking capability and define th= e > > protocol. > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh netwo= rks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network archite= ct [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails= [ >=20 From nobody Thu Jul 25 12:36:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D8A1201C5 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no 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--0000000000002bcd29058e8fd595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > A 6TiSCH tract is computed by a pce but with RPL the nodes do not care > where that logical function is located and simply talk to the root. Either > the root hosts a pce or it talks to a pce to get the computation done. > > > > Pascal, Just to be clear for my own understanding: is a 6TiSCH track defined as centrally computed by a PCE? I thought tracks could also be allocated with soft cells in a distributed hop-by-hop manner? (for example, along the RPL route). Regards, Michael --0000000000002bcd29058e8fd595 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


A 6TiSCH tract is computed by a= pce but with RPL the nodes do not care where that logical function is loca= ted and simply talk to the root. Either the root hosts a pce or it talks to= a pce to get the computation done.

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Just to be clear for my own understanding: is a 6Ti= SCH track defined as centrally computed by a PCE? I thought tracks could al= so be allocated with soft cells in a distributed hop-by-hop manner? (for ex= ample, along the RPL route).

Regards,

Michael
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need to follow up on. At the time we wrote RFC 6550 we thought that compression was out of scope,= that we cared about the semantics, and that a 6LoWPAN thing would rapidly = come and compress the RPL control plane packets. We actually did RFC 8138 for the data plane, but the control plane work has= not started yet. So for PDAO, the question is, should we keep the RPL trad= ition of uncompressed specs, or natively propose an RFC 8138 format for the= PDAO. Having a native PDAO format would allow to copy paste the source route head= er in non-storing PDAO. Would make the messages shorter. Would hint how to = do the rest of the RPL control plane compression. I'm willing to propose an update in that direction, would like to see feedb= ack on the ML. What do you all think? Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB3565E133DA12559F333A78B8D8C00MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

This is hopefully the last item of the list of thing= s we discussed at the group and need to follow up on.

 

At the time we wrote RFC 6550 we thought that compre= ssion was out of scope, that we cared about the semantics, and that a 6LoWP= AN thing would rapidly come and compress the RPL control plane packets.

We actually did RFC 8138 for the data plane, but the= control plane work has not started yet. So for PDAO, the question is, shou= ld we keep the RPL tradition of uncompressed specs, or natively propose an = RFC 8138 format for the PDAO.

 

Having a native PDAO format would allow to copy past= e the source route header in non-storing PDAO. Would make the messages shor= ter. Would hint how to do the rest of the RPL control plane compression.

I’m willing to propose an update in that direc= tion, would like to see feedback on the ML.

 

What do you all think?

 

Pascal

--_000_MN2PR11MB3565E133DA12559F333A78B8D8C00MN2PR11MB3565namp_-- From nobody Fri Jul 26 07:08:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E16A120043 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=imt-atlantique.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eFPz4PN4HzWv for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:2001:660:330f:2::c1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A5D1120041 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29588103B for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:08:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id RV3jh-f9XfC1 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:08:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF39381502 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:08:16 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 zproxy120.enst.fr CF39381502 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=imt-atlantique.fr; s=50EA75E8-DE22-11E6-A6DE-0662BA474D24; t=1564150096; bh=TiHASM1vEnbkSMdkt0+Ufk2rTmRMWMr4lc+uemIxy/k=; h=From:Message-Id:Mime-Version:Date:To; b=iquxN+RynQFuhGaPe/zKQVtoWTeA+Ia9uUwIOZnAexumLT/jH8KsTJWzu9M7L12FH v+kEOIs4AdnEV07PsOfHB0aAgNFOqNzUfL1RXkOjviJmpHBKZsGcns7drFRCwpQyAJ 8LKwujs/NShJ52w56ivfpl82c4fAhTGQNio8bshw= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zproxy120.enst.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id umLEVDLGYp14 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:08:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:80bf:54ed:e95:4766] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:80bf:54ed:e95:4766]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 58DED8103B for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:08:16 +0200 (CEST) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0B662DB7-9569-475A-A205-4C3839A9AFC5" Message-Id: <3410282B-872E-49BA-8AA8-9D99E477A5D0@imt-atlantique.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:08:13 -0400 References: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Compressing the PDAO natively X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:08:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0B662DB7-9569-475A-A205-4C3839A9AFC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal, As I said during the meeting, having RPL control plane compression would = support the nsa-extention draft as well. If there is room, I am willing to contribute. Georgios > On Jul 26, 2019, at 08:49, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > Dear all > =20 > This is hopefully the last item of the list of things we discussed at = the group and need to follow up on. > =20 > At the time we wrote RFC 6550 we thought that compression was out of = scope, that we cared about the semantics, and that a 6LoWPAN thing would = rapidly come and compress the RPL control plane packets. > We actually did RFC 8138 for the data plane, but the control plane = work has not started yet. So for PDAO, the question is, should we keep = the RPL tradition of uncompressed specs, or natively propose an RFC 8138 = format for the PDAO. > =20 > Having a native PDAO format would allow to copy paste the source route = header in non-storing PDAO. Would make the messages shorter. Would hint = how to do the rest of the RPL control plane compression. > I=E2=80=99m willing to propose an update in that direction, would like = to see feedback on the ML. > =20 > What do you all think? > =20 > Pascal > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll = --Apple-Mail=_0B662DB7-9569-475A-A205-4C3839A9AFC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello Pascal,

As I said during the meeting, having RPL control = plane compression would support the nsa-extention draft as = well.
If there is room, I am willing to = contribute.

Georgios

On Jul 26, 2019, at 08:49, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> = wrote:

Dear all
 
This is = hopefully the last item of the list of things we discussed at the group = and need to follow up on.
 
At the time we wrote RFC 6550 we thought that compression was = out of scope, that we cared about the semantics, and that a 6LoWPAN = thing would rapidly come and compress the RPL control plane packets.
We = actually did RFC 8138 for the data plane, but the control plane work has = not started yet. So for PDAO, the question is, should we keep the RPL = tradition of uncompressed specs, or natively propose an RFC 8138 format = for the PDAO.
 
Having a native PDAO format would allow to copy paste the = source route header in non-storing PDAO. Would make the messages = shorter. Would hint how to do the rest of the RPL control plane = compression.
I=E2=80=99m willing to propose an update in that direction, = would like to see feedback on the ML.
 
What do you all think?
 
Pascal
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--_000_HE1PR0102MB2796B8B06D6A73D5CF7DB5F380C00HE1PR0102MB2796_-- From nobody Fri Jul 26 13:58:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA7A1201EA for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uep9GyT9gSCv for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:58:03 -0400 Message-ID: <22182.1564174683@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Compressing the PDAO natively X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:57:56 -0000 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Having a native PDAO format would allow to copy paste the source route > header > in non-storing PDAO. Would make the messages shorter. Would hint how = to do > the rest of the RPL control plane compression. Interesting. > I=E2=80=99m willing to propose an update in that direction, would lik= e to see > feedback on the ML. > What do you all think? Years ago, I applied GHC to RPL control packets, and I got rather good results. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ From nobody Fri Jul 26 17:21:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF8C1201D3 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IVQn4cpqXusj for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:21:18 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<982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF6514B@BLREML503-MBS.china.huawei.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:56:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4102.1564239380@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Compressing the PDAO natively X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:56:24 -0000 Rahul Arvind Jadhav wrote: > Hi Michael, Do you have the implementation anywhere? I would like to > experiment as well. Thanks Yes, I have some code... finding it: https://github.com/mcr/roll-ghc From nobody Sun Jul 28 02:11:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1083B1200E7 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8VYO5QAFT-ii for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636E61200E6 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DCCB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.185]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45xHB86kFYzykC; Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:11:28 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4102.1564239380@localhost> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:11:28 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 585997886.253513-796a5af8f486ac19d6a9b7d4f716b605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23943737-12B0-4DAF-B6CC-8F4DB8978177@tzi.org> References: <22182.1564174683@dooku.sandelman.ca> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF6514B@BLREML503-MBS.china.huawei.com> <4102.1564239380@localhost> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Compressing the PDAO natively X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 09:11:32 -0000 On Jul 27, 2019, at 16:56, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 > https://github.com/mcr/roll-ghc Nice =E2=80=94 82 LOC :-) (No decompressor included, but that should be even smaller.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Jul 29 13:23:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06C612006A for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:23:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ApvZZRpt-Ciy for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECEB3120045 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B38D3808A for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0F0BDF for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: <23943737-12B0-4DAF-B6CC-8F4DB8978177@tzi.org> References: <22182.1564174683@dooku.sandelman.ca> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF6514B@BLREML503-MBS.china.huawei.com> <4102.1564239380@localhost> <23943737-12B0-4DAF-B6CC-8F4DB8978177@tzi.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Compressing the PDAO natively X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:23:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Jul 27, 2019, at 16:56, Michael Richardson wrot= e: >>=20 >> https://github.com/mcr/roll-ghc > Nice =E2=80=94 82 LOC :-) (No decompressor included, but that should = be even > smaller.) This went back to when some people wanted to produce "compressed" (abridged, really) versions of RPL control messages. I knew that would result in devices that did not accept uncompressed messages, and major features would be lost.=20 I think that this stupid 82LOC did better on the sample packets than the abridged version did, and the discussion stopped. And I didn't use the compression contexts at all. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect = [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl0/VasACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVvOAf8C0D3ZSNEAU1SM/9oD8fcs8btO8vYh/s3mTUiM503AFDJ0RPzln+DZ8u1 cpQ474hL/QEX+xzfzJ8/4wrJDa/Jk6FF3YjbsU9o3qyRDIQlehfoflyWMjvjAWKX tYd/1d15gZXMFnC3Jlwt2qXtC17eCzpToBrviDursxQOZinpjsOJHHvsJUrg1lfz Yb+ZSHbptFrge+apqdfGuHPFRuwCLpHRp97N6KKj8dbkFedDFqHvtWBso4DJhOkG N6/ZXpEgDWKDt2IXyGonqpe5lbvS8wwwO2WwkMws3U+WpwXyx9LGWTp85DjNIkzt afv3HVhqQj4EF52spC7RNCUwjcfk9Q== =SqR4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Jul 30 08:13:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BAA1200E7 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57K4n1Kt9Tvk for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd32.google.com (mail-io1-xd32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE2351200E0 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd32.google.com with SMTP id g20so128854676ioc.12 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PIfIuAhmgknzxRKcsfzLSoGomVhRk+ueOq2gDs99tUg=; b=SIzVxdr3mnBw1hMZ4TZlDiMuDRr74Wf3VkiAfoJY4t3UcoEH2Xy69mSoJU/Z2VjuB+ p+hHFKBXueoIDjsq1+9N92KhLwZFSsrX/XHF2buAuchR7lqcUjE0c14QB4fFh94+OlC5 LDvNy2N3SQCHpPdxxw4Y1pUKzJimNQaq0tGshZ4/mhCqJ/g0EjMPU73XAgn4WYwXFtq0 6EybrCIi2RS8qzaKarYhDLYFF8pbyUsSTL49zJagI1BE7h7BfI+/kxENDXw02zerRFFO Mtai5z1kafw92DTL7ZrVJqXTNxTg3a6LjTyQITeRQ35wY6LA6B6jM8F3doGcYwZq3tIe KQ+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PIfIuAhmgknzxRKcsfzLSoGomVhRk+ueOq2gDs99tUg=; b=GPO4272GKKaz3uixLdxVw/nGfPXz1ZGrjmAEQCUl07CA96S5THttVC2CZqa1AeCZpl aOgH7Qs4gWbC4QNFE32klho1/3BB9y4CAkAiijpeUmIQQP7yGcOicpukBMRlQubWmI9E /5MoZDc/7xKit0Be60qx+2z5lnUIVjt1mmkHGN+dQM5F5706+RRfFt9OhQqfdlQaNvJC uBHyKSab7gcNMVxqaeP9GKWwqMpVRawZC733W5NRY5uQgRHz5cI3hu7gA51saZyk7t5H OBOByCAf44iyJlEeJ/yTnj9JROpbs+BrYlXPbWtwWp+btKWcM7R8PVh4e+fH9YHKjElh ZD/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWIF2zweVeHOooYSisrzrWI/+o0k7RLRpk39213qQQ+TiMDACst afntQhRkjVcnVeV2y2wBeBrXgvGQc52xw2aNBYFaY1q5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwCwRJZE07Y5Lvd+olpvt14qW9HrhAuXUiy0iO31qDQuhFSYHjZ/XB+sVn719SGXpO7Doksnz+NJDG7/6AzQNw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:5185:: with SMTP id s127mr49541039jaa.44.1564499626617; Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:13:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ines Robles Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:13:34 +0300 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007eee94058ee7741a" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] ROLL Minute IETF 105 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:13:50 -0000 --0000000000007eee94058ee7741a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, First of all MILLION THANKS to Dominique for being Minute taker and Michael Richardson for being the Jabber Scribe :-) Please find below the minute of IETF 105 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/minutes-105-roll-01.txt Comments welcome before 2019-08-16 (Friday). 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Dear all,

First of all MILLION THANKS t= o Dominique for being Minute taker and Michael Richardson for being the Jab= ber Scribe :-)

Please find below the minute of IETF = 105


C= omments welcome before=C2=A02019-08-16 (Friday).

=
Thank you,

Ines and Peter
--0000000000007eee94058ee7741a-- From nobody Wed Jul 31 00:34:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBB01200C1 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:34:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKACht-8km0p for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF790120098 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 98257665886067F71E72 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:34:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:34:38 +0100 Received: from lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) by lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:34:38 +0100 Received: from BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.45) by lhreml713-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:34:37 +0100 Received: from BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.9.138]) by BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:04:24 +0530 From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Thread-Topic: MOP value calculation with MOPex Thread-Index: AdVHcgSjh88c1CYFSWS6jvynxbl3ow== Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:34:25 +0000 Message-ID: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF7A230@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-IN, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.109.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF7A230BLREML503MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] MOP value calculation with MOPex X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:34:43 -0000 --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF7A230BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, During ROLL session, it was suggested that using "Final MOP =3D Base MOP + = MOPex" may not be a good idea, since the implementation becomes more comple= x. My initial reasoning behind using such a scheme/calculation was to: a. Reuse all the values in base MOP. We do not lose a single value i.= e., there is no MOP value reserved for extn. If base MOP value is 7 and if = MOPex is absent then the final MOP is 7. b. When anyone references a MOP value X, it need not be referred to in= context to base MOP or extended MOP. For e.g., when we say MOP=3D11 ... th= ere will be only one Mode of Operation it refers to and need not be specifi= ed in the context of base or extended MOP. Essentially we keep using the base MOP and add up from MOPex (if present) t= o derive final MOP. How will the implementation handle it? 1. Process DIO base object and get the base MOP. 2. Keep processing DIO Options and on encountering MOPex add the MOPe= x value to the same var in step 1. 3. At the end of DIO message processing check if the node supports MO= P. Section 3.2. makes it clear that if base MOP is 7 and MOPex is not present = then the final MOP is 7. Another way of handling this would be, If MOPex is present then ignore base= MOP and just use the value of MOPex as MOP. In this case we will lose out = on 7 values of mop. Please share your thoughts on this. Regards, Rahul --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DF7A230BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello All,

 

During ROLL session, it was suggested that using = 220;Final MOP =3D Base MOP + MOPex” may not be a good idea, since= the implementation becomes more complex.

 

My initial reasoning behind using such a scheme/calc= ulation was to:

a.     &= nbsp; Reuse all the values in base MOP. We do not lose a = single value i.e., there is no MOP value reserved for extn. If base MOP val= ue is 7 and if MOPex is absent then the final MOP is 7.

b.      When anyone references a MOP value X, it need not b= e referred to in context to base MOP or extended MOP. For e.g., when we say= MOP=3D11 … there will be only one Mode of Operation it refers to and= need not be specified in the context of base or extended MOP.

Essentially we keep using the base MOP and add up fr= om MOPex (if present) to derive final MOP.

 

How will the implementation handle it?

1.     &= nbsp; Process DIO base object and get the base MOP.<= /o:p>

2.     &= nbsp; Keep processing DIO Options and on encountering MOP= ex add the MOPex value to the same var in step 1.

3.     &= nbsp; At the end of DIO message processing check if the n= ode supports MOP.

Section 3.2. makes it clear that if base MOP is 7 an= d MOPex is not present then the final MOP is 7.

 

Another way of handling this would be, If MOPex is p= resent then ignore base MOP and just use the value of MOPex as MOP. In this= case we will lose out on 7 values of mop.

Please share your thoughts on this.

 

Regards,

Rahul

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