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This will = also unblock publication of the WebRTC PeerConnection API as a W3C = Recommendation. >=20 > Blocked Drain 238 - YouTube >=20 > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Sean Turner wrote: > As you may have noticed over the last couple of days, all of = RTCWEB=E2=80=99s I-D have now be published as RFCs. Congratulations to = all those who participated. >=20 > The SDP examples draft, which was a WG draft but ended up being = AD-sponsored after the WG closed down, is still making its way through = the process. >=20 > Cheers, > spt > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb From nobody Mon Feb 1 09:01:22 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059A63A12E5 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:01:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8_b2KqkYmm7 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe29.google.com (mail-vs1-xe29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CDC63A12E6 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe29.google.com with SMTP id 186so9460051vsz.13 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:01:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qMJ9ximYQEcamrw5glwS3latWwq0Hxva+sLQeprups4=; b=J376LyHJH6+CTCzSrGwPxD8Uhy6yXJkHlOmvMRUvbxhEeRAw08JKhS0BmQHNmtdADr ohHI6VN5sOiQLhsW7fzpGHGvXbQ1zQiMJUc0jIrkBhJfdK/RHEO7zIgOjWlGK+7ViwAU vA9sQzdU+FAyQg5WuvX5/zKT/gjbn6efPLooZqd3coLIE3jnUfggyPrLS/LEhn+nw4i7 zASG82nMrCa7dcuWrtKUpZUp8gzTHKAnGwtWs3fopWUUr34LhtihxWKqFLbWFQcmNPjo AcP4vTIfDpIy1THkMiMxbISdWEqWh09kO8ig0UlwzuiApEYvfK2741rmIsGFjVjjV1sa 2Afg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qMJ9ximYQEcamrw5glwS3latWwq0Hxva+sLQeprups4=; b=ttDRGsw2KgOY+TUw9y/hKniezhTJG1Wzmue2IUi/Bd4thoWPvO8kPKbj9WKjqZDeCk 834Zy+Vl+eOK6GIq8JmtKP4BIZK1nP4pJUXgqSP3YMeeio+Lpa99TFCg2YLVTalwIp4N YbYkSWBrdz9luHIe34HbkdzV+xAdnmuBxJFKucRAPGiPQ3zGrG6sitc8s7jw2+3PpicJ 0MH63KQ7JvePl1GxMEBPjYzSbQnZg8FSEMeGwnagTsOauzuErLFkUsU1fuPCg8UFGPT9 RKAaj2i9JTS/79/GzxdfnRxQUGfGkRTEeY5BYci9EBlvo3rsqmUj+yDkpGXMBqtGHOCk lAqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532LqZSTJOXwIri9YS1rVwJPnBOcySIDsWpYRXNQih3JyqjRSzn3 x/KxyFzTskUsGpdcmwk2+3MWMoIMhYGGZqCZYURhUNN2Xz8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzvHhO4hgg5tm8cunUffo1DPvP3xkyAZzukFnGCOjRL6+mZyWa1ukoFia2psjgiGU2CwpB7NBa/sVUe+Oih2cI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ff15:: with SMTP id v21mr5027665vsp.0.1612198878183; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:01:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9331E58E-23EB-40B9-A70E-3586E0B4B467@sn3rd.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:01:06 -0800 Message-ID: To: Sean Turner Cc: RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000071075a05ba494d53" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB RFCs Published (aka draining cluster 238) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 17:01:21 -0000 --00000000000071075a05ba494d53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was pointed out to me that the examples document follows the BUNDLE part of the conflict contained in C238. Is it possible that this needs to be reconsidered, and this document possibly updated, as that conflict gets resolved? -MSK On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:56 AM Sean Turner wrote: > The SDP examples I-D document action popped out today! > > spt > > > On Jan 21, 2021, at 11:05, Bernard Aboba > wrote: > > > > Many thanks on the heroic efforts to unblock cluster 238. This will > also unblock publication of the WebRTC PeerConnection API as a W3C > Recommendation. > > > > Blocked Drain 238 - YouTube > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Sean Turner wrote: > > As you may have noticed over the last couple of days, all of RTCWEB=E2= =80=99s > I-D have now be published as RFCs. Congratulations to all those who > participated. > > > > The SDP examples draft, which was a WG draft but ended up being > AD-sponsored after the WG closed down, is still making its way through th= e > process. > > > > Cheers, > > spt > > _______________________________________________ > > rtcweb mailing list > > rtcweb@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > --00000000000071075a05ba494d53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was pointed out to me that the examples document f= ollows the BUNDLE part of the conflict contained in C238.=C2=A0 Is it possi= ble that this needs to be reconsidered, and this document possibly updated,= as that conflict gets resolved?

-MSK

On = Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:56 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:
The SDP examples I-D document action popped out today!

spt

> On Jan 21, 2021, at 11:05, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> >
> Many thanks on the heroic efforts to unblock cluster 238.=C2=A0 This w= ill also unblock publication of the WebRTC PeerConnection API as a W3C Reco= mmendation.
>
> Blocked Drain 238 - YouTube
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:
> As you may have noticed over the last couple of days, all of RTCWEB=E2= =80=99s I-D have now be published as RFCs. Congratulations to all those who= participated.
>
> The SDP examples draft, which was a WG draft but ended up being AD-spo= nsored after the WG closed down, is still making its way through the proces= s.
>
> Cheers,
> spt
> _______________________________________________
> rtcweb mailing list
> rtcweb@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
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Kucherawy" , Sean Turner , RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005b83cc05ba4a9a58" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RTCWEB RFCs Published (aka draining cluster 238) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 18:34:27 -0000 --0000000000005b83cc05ba4a9a58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:13 AM Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi, > > > > >It was pointed out to me that the examples document follows the BUNDLE > part of the conflict contained in C238. Is it possible that this needs > to be reconsidered, and this document possibly updated, as that conflict > gets resolved? > > > > I guess so. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:56 AM Sean Turner wrote: > > The SDP examples I-D document action popped out today! > > spt > > > On Jan 21, 2021, at 11:05, Bernard Aboba > wrote: > > > > Many thanks on the heroic efforts to unblock cluster 238. This will > also unblock publication of the WebRTC PeerConnection API as a W3C > Recommendation. > > > > Blocked Drain 238 - YouTube > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Sean Turner wrote: > > As you may have noticed over the last couple of days, all of RTCWEB=E2= =80=99s > I-D have now be published as RFCs. Congratulations to all those who > participated. > > > > The SDP examples draft, which was a WG draft but ended up being > AD-sponsored after the WG closed down, is still making its way through th= e > process. > > > > Cheers, > > spt > > _______________________________________________ > > rtcweb mailing list > > rtcweb@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > --0000000000005b83cc05ba4a9a58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 9:13 AM Christer Holmberg &l= t;christer.holmberg=3D40er= icsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

>It was pointed out to me th= at the examples document follows the BUNDLE part of the conflict contained = in C238.=C2=A0 Is it possible that this needs to be reconsidered, and this document= possibly updated, as that conflict gets resolved?

=C2=A0

I guess so.

=C2=A0

Regards,

=C2=A0

Christer

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:56 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote= :

The SDP examples I-D document action popped out toda= y!

spt

> On Jan 21, 2021, at 11:05, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> wrote:<= br> >
> Many thanks on the heroic efforts to unblock cluster 238.=C2=A0 This w= ill also unblock publication of the WebRTC PeerConnection API as a W3C Reco= mmendation.
>
> Blocked Drain 238 - YouTube
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 6:59 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:
> As you may have noticed over the last couple of days, all of RTCWEB=E2= =80=99s I-D have now be published as RFCs. Congratulations to all those who= participated.
>
> The SDP examples draft, which was a WG draft but ended up being AD-spo= nsored after the WG closed down, is still making its way through the proces= s.
>
> Cheers,
> spt
> _______________________________________________
> rtcweb mailing list
> rtcweb@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb

_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb

_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
--0000000000005b83cc05ba4a9a58-- From nobody Tue Feb 2 07:30:35 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C816E3A1BB0; Tue, 2 Feb 2021 07:30:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alissa Cooper via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org, rtcweb@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alissa Cooper Message-ID: <161227982879.14290.6909245125660944395@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 07:30:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on charter-ietf-rtcweb-01-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:30:29 -0000 Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-rtcweb-01-01: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Wed Feb 3 02:47:26 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A013A083E; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 02:47:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org, rtcweb@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <161234924099.1809.1746730930591700730@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 02:47:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on charter-ietf-rtcweb-01-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 10:47:21 -0000 Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-rtcweb-01-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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Kucherawy" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 07:31:50 -0800 Message-ID: To: Magnus Westerlund Cc: The IESG , rtcweb@ietf.org, rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fc289105ba7049e1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on charter-ietf-rtcweb-01-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 15:32:07 -0000 --000000000000fc289105ba7049e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:47 AM Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > What is the plan with > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp/ > should that also be included to be updated by this WG? > It's discussed in the charter (version -01-02) and is listed as a proposed milestone. -MSK --000000000000fc289105ba7049e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:47 AM Magnus Wes= terlund via Datatracker <noreply@iet= f.org> wrote:

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What is the plan with https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp/
should that also be included to be updated by this WG?

It's discussed in the charter (version -01-02) and is l= isted as a proposed milestone.

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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2021-02-03 at 07:31 -0800, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 2:47 AM Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker < > noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >=20 > > What is the plan with=20 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp/ > > should that also be included to be updated by this WG? >=20 > It's discussed in the charter (version -01-02) and is listed as a propose= d > milestone. >=20 Okay, so I missed the end of the single sentence where it was mentioned: The working group will produce updates to those two documents, and update draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp accordingly. I would note that this do make me ask about the intention here. So draft-ie= tf- rtcweb-sdp is currently an Approved AD sponsored document. So what does it = mean to "update accordingly" here. Is the intention to retract the apprval and s= end the document to this WG for update, or to publish the current and then repl= ace it? I don't think doing an late stage text changes even to an informal docu= ment is particular good here. So I hope you intended to give the WG formal owner= ship of the change and then have to run through the normal publication process f= or this updated document?=20 =46rom my perspective I do think you need to be a bit more verbose about this document and that the WG is chartered to take on this draft (again) or that= they should do an update.=20 Cheers Magnus --=-ly1HH6G4SAeGrrvDG6AU Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCErYw ggX0MIID3KADAgECAg8BdlE9InYZOYLl1zGep4IwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwRzELMAkGA1UEBhMC U0UxETAPBgNVBAoMCEVyaWNzc29uMSUwIwYDVQQDDBxFcmljc3NvbiBOTCBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIENB IHYzMB4XDTIwMTIxMTA5NTg0OVoXDTIzMTIxMjA5NTg0OVowXjERMA8GA1UECgwIRXJpY3Nzb24x GjAYBgNVBAMMEU1hZ251cyBXZXN0ZXJsdW5kMS0wKwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFh5tYWdudXMud2VzdGVy bHVuZEBlcmljc3Nvbi5jb20wggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCIT6U9ddUp 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Kucherawy" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 17:52:46 -0800 Message-ID: To: Magnus Westerlund Cc: "iesg@ietf.org" , "rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org" , "rtcweb@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007c572005ba78f6ab" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on charter-ietf-rtcweb-01-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 01:53:01 -0000 --0000000000007c572005ba78f6ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 8:40 AM Magnus Westerlund < magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> wrote: > > I would note that this do make me ask about the intention here. So > draft-ietf- > rtcweb-sdp is currently an Approved AD sponsored document. After you pointed out that it would probably need to be updated, it was returned to IESG Evaluation::AD Followup, with plans for this WG to update it after it resolves the JSEP/BUNDLE question. And then I added it to the charter with a corresponding milestone. So what does it mean > to "update accordingly" here. Is the intention to retract the apprval and > send > the document to this WG for update, or to publish the current and then > replace > it? Approval has already been retracted, and the plan (given the text you cited and the milestone) is to return it to the WG to be updated before it's published, taking into account however the WG decides to resolve the question being put to it. I don't think doing an late stage text changes even to an informal document > is particular good here. So I hope you intended to give the WG formal > ownership > of the change and then have to run through the normal publication process > for > this updated document? > Correct. >From my perspective I do think you need to be a bit more verbose about this > document and that the WG is chartered to take on this draft (again) or > that they > should do an update. > Sure, I can do that. -MSK --0000000000007c572005ba78f6ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 8:40 AM Magnus Wes= terlund <magnus.wester= lund@ericsson.com> wrote:

I would note that this do make me ask about the intention here. So draft-ie= tf-
rtcweb-sdp is currently an Approved AD sponsored document.
After you pointed out that it would probably need to be upd= ated, it was returned to IESG Evaluation::AD Followup, with plans for this = WG to update it after it resolves the JSEP/BUNDLE question.=C2=A0 And then = I added it to the charter with a corresponding milestone.

So what does it mean<= br> to "update accordingly" here. Is the intention to retract the app= rval and send
the document to this WG for update, or to publish the current and then repl= ace
it?

Approval has already been retracted, an= d the plan (given the text you cited and the milestone) is to return it to = the WG to be updated before it's published, taking into account however= the WG decides to resolve the question being put to it.

I don't think doi= ng an late stage text changes even to an informal document
is particular good here. So I hope you intended to give the WG formal owner= ship
of the change and then have to run through the normal publication process f= or
this updated document?

Correct.
<= div>
>From my perspective I do think you need to be a bit more verbose about this=
document and that the WG is chartered to take on this draft (again) or that= they
should do an update.

Sure, I can do th= at.

-MSK
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Greetings,

RFC 8855 ("T= he Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP)") created an IANA registry wit= h four sub-registries.=C2=A0 They are all written up to follow Specificatio= n Required rules, which requires appointment of a designated expert.=C2=A0 = The BFCPBIS working group is closed, and future discussion was redirected h= ere, which brings me to this audience to seek volunteers or nominations for= designated experts for these registries.

Any take= rs?

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Kucherawy" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:41:40 -0800 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Cc: RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dfd0e305ba848aa6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:41:55 -0000 --000000000000dfd0e305ba848aa6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yep, that's where this message went. -MSK On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:32 AM Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > BFCP related discussions redirected to RTCWEB? > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > *From:* rtcweb *On Behalf Of *Murray S. > Kucherawy > *Sent:* torstai 4. helmikuuta 2021 17.28 > *To:* RTCWeb IETF > *Subject:* [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries > > > > Greetings, > > > > RFC 8855 ("The Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP)") created an IANA > registry with four sub-registries. They are all written up to follow > Specification Required rules, which requires appointment of a designated > expert. The BFCPBIS working group is closed, and future discussion was > redirected here, which brings me to this audience to seek volunteers or > nominations for designated experts for these registries. > > > > Any takers? > > > > -MSK > --000000000000dfd0e305ba848aa6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:32 AM Christer Holmberg= <christer.holmberg@er= icsson.com> wrote:

Hi,

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BFCP related discussions redire= cted to RTCWEB?

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Regards,

=C2=A0

Christer

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From: rtcweb <rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy
Sent: torstai 4. helmikuuta 2021 17.28
To: RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>
Subject: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries

=C2=A0

Greetings,

=C2=A0

RFC 8855 ("The Binary Floor Control Protocol (B= FCP)") created an IANA registry with four sub-registries.=C2=A0 They a= re all written up to follow Specification Required rules, which requires ap= pointment of a designated expert.=C2=A0 The BFCPBIS working group is closed, and future discussion was redirected here, which brings m= e to this audience to seek volunteers or nominations for designated experts= for these registries.

=C2=A0

Any takers?

=C2=A0

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Kucherawy" Cc: Christer Holmberg , RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:42:50 -0000 May I ask how is BFCP related to WebRTC at all? On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 16:41, Murray S. Kucherawy wrot= e: > > Yep, that's where this message went. > > -MSK > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:32 AM Christer Holmberg wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> BFCP related discussions redirected to RTCWEB? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> From: rtcweb On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy >> Sent: torstai 4. helmikuuta 2021 17.28 >> To: RTCWeb IETF >> Subject: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> >> RFC 8855 ("The Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP)") created an IANA re= gistry with four sub-registries. They are all written up to follow Specifi= cation Required rules, which requires appointment of a designated expert. = The BFCPBIS working group is closed, and future discussion was redirected h= ere, which brings me to this audience to seek volunteers or nominations for= designated experts for these registries. >> >> >> >> Any takers? >> >> >> >> -MSK > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb --=20 I=C3=B1aki Baz Castillo From nobody Thu Feb 4 07:45:15 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940BC3A15D7 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:45:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.25, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsgu-DXoK_Lk for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from EUR01-VE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr140072.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.14.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8D843A15D3 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:45:12 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=TUnwXRcCS9ugjo9J3g0h1WU4h0LZ2ze3e+KukHwiIshooq9u1apkrdZYl0ZOS1XZUuyn6kXRLggRL5DA6UB7pKnmo6NYlmyUpuF/x08JccSgPHupKE8CGykwo07LeA4ScWFECTTLJC5MHui28/YBrTXxN69DrMJGHpODpe5eDRHRIUlANgjPdV3EShX9JFH32OkESHAC0Km1BFnyPooUphbINhMynk/UvDcUyLFGXEi3GRYueQ7qa0xb4ge30LK7KoWLBcOLNXP8Em56OXeu6/7vlFQuJy9QNWXyfHj+U7Mah15riB6y72214WDxDIv+stUUfe879gUmyhzAmP+6HQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=dIrGDfsvAryEBU/x59SgcM5JJX4hbYqxdTtCyTMRcM8=; b=e+jYIdkBMf6/KarxF9mJQTxrWAu5DrAEURVqr446wSseTCBEdjCXJlPHdU5aqjLdDoIpLsAAFqQnl0FgVJXcO5JRQ9eVOsMecccG+AyC1mNE6IJCKNt0d/7ydSLw5HYyW0ItRk+/zvIxONvZufRf+B0LsT4THKdA9Qgi03UawIctQDgYkJyB+0UvwKN+tg1igZd0OnMP+b7RwemyyPm37jz21OlTwA9gVBUlYuuW8lottrbyrknbMyo6EJfibze6wWdU0UGQipBFVC3XOpCh5aqTfGWC7Tqrizs210Xu+feFXk5kmHfrlfojkpMZky7OxX/l0vVAIWyuzZzwQBguEA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ericsson.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=ericsson.com; dkim=pass header.d=ericsson.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericsson.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=dIrGDfsvAryEBU/x59SgcM5JJX4hbYqxdTtCyTMRcM8=; b=n34fJWSBQfz/SFpGJPyKAgdO69x19FXL2g7Apb8yDVdiUIwyzAszWTr1SBEZIXi/5+DfJH+PBcTQt3f45/+i0lgkcrwc7hMrDsngATkKh4GQmOUY4VFLoTg8xdj6QohbyX8c5qNzqPNlHwzRZI1KFoKWJjI7mqbzCb6+l6zfmYI= Received: from (2603:10a6:208:4c::18) by AM0PR07MB4017.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:208:44::28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3825.8; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:45:09 +0000 Received: from AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e0b4:28dd:684:daf6]) by AM0PR07MB3860.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e0b4:28dd:684:daf6%7]) with mapi id 15.20.3825.017; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:45:09 +0000 From: Christer Holmberg To: "Murray S. 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Kucherawy" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:45:44 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?I=C3=B1aki_Baz_Castillo?= Cc: Christer Holmberg , RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000068f6c505ba84997f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:45:58 -0000 --00000000000068f6c505ba84997f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:42 AM I=C3=B1aki Baz Castillo wrot= e: > May I ask how is BFCP related to WebRTC at all? > The chairs of that working group, when closing it, made that proposal. I didn't think it sounded like a crazy idea given both contributed to C238, but if that was wrong, I'm happy to look for volunteers elsewhere. -MSK --00000000000068f6c505ba84997f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:42 AM I=C3=B1aki= Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wr= ote:
May I ask how is BFCP related to WebRTC at all?

The chairs of that working group, when closi= ng it, made that proposal.=C2=A0 I didn't think it sounded like a crazy= idea given both contributed to C238, but if that was wrong, I'm happy = to look for volunteers elsewhere.

-MSK
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Kucherawy" Cc: Christer Holmberg , RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:47:50 -0000 > The chairs of that working group, when closing it, made that proposal. I= didn't think it sounded like a crazy idea given both contributed to C238, = but if that was wrong, I'm happy to look for volunteers elsewhere. I fail to see why WebRTC (or browsers or devices capable of running a WebRTC stack) need a "unified" messaging protocol. --=20 I=C3=B1aki Baz Castillo From nobody Thu Feb 4 07:49:51 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D23A15E3 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:49:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7T0SUNrdzxqH for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x936.google.com (mail-ua1-x936.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::936]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C0BA3A15E8 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x936.google.com with SMTP id v23so1083898uam.8 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:49:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WC5qK8jubpml1UI9n82cLeCyE4uUlNob+Gpa7JBgexw=; b=LRGOgAfWlmUW0+gYOTUXHWHGeAsmmurHd3nkCYaA2IVT2pSCnQbpIPnN1hrN6CHmhV Sr+jdfBKyot1TuN3P6X/EgEjNUpeGwvBq7Y8j4ZRYDWz275aAXeQhAEObiNtrt1bL6Pq r50SNHuWbx2TD6d7XbkoFlDI0aDPaPzKu28s05fk3ZE54K8IQnt0CJzRJb9ixLvSl9sN rvHmmTkK4UwmwozilfB12g5HwDIpexTRVTGO+CoOwLrQmrGjnGdGzv8/qNckJ94IF6z2 +TOtUSZHsMPeT2lubUvc0nGLZk79C6CM/x/IfpwK6tWZORYa8Eo2o/t1C50vpcUGefQV n9Cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WC5qK8jubpml1UI9n82cLeCyE4uUlNob+Gpa7JBgexw=; b=LuAlE0Vm9YfZeeoHRFLoMjvhEFf6J3hhR8WOksDD0XDaLPMqrmOoIWMq97eISOxe4k A3srLtvn7cyaZXS52Ua1fJw01dke5uKDo1ZCPhfvGNPMt8eBGfLB60nQ0scchpmIkXKN jA73mf/cIYBC6D3KWIOiD5WHLreJgS2cZtXZvkIwz3oFd+BBv89E2ye8fs5JuKcq47jx vmsqAUWWqR0955aqhRDG2kjknYAFPUIUjEf4pOMKpwZttxpgzx95DefWjBD108rRaRbi 4xeMSpyUhiiLdKHWKUusv5vPWteADNr7mtKvf/LXQvp2VtdGfXpWAtCZrGxDsUNZfsji /W8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533pBZ2lLim+C7szuHP557si4AR1BWVMmMkmxbcdXRaiehf+WRnk s/xKh5OSBoQI8JRnfWE4yv2j230//Jnv3/gp1RP5m7tpmqU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtLLwRKps+QhvC85JFX+HJOy5A2bRjO5EEQ8V74NLTgDJPIXHiNnnGg0J1yp90hbTH3HniOTo/tBlaSkR03BU= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:2628:: with SMTP id 37mr5616354uag.87.1612453788177; Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:49:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:49:37 -0800 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Cc: RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000042d98105ba84a7e6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:49:50 -0000 --00000000000042d98105ba84a7e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:45 AM Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Many of the BFCP folks weren=E2=80=99t even involved in the RTCWEB work. > > > > If we need a list for closed working groups, please create a proper one, > or use e.g., the DISPATCH list. > Thanks, I've reposted my request to the ART list. -MSK --00000000000042d98105ba84a7e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:45 AM Christer H= olmberg <christer.holm= berg@ericsson.com> wrote:

Many of the BFCP folks weren=E2= =80=99t even involved in the RTCWEB work.

=C2=A0

If we need a list for closed wo= rking groups, please create a proper one, or use e.g., the DISPATCH list.


Thanks, I've reposted my r= equest to the ART list.

-MSK
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Kucherawy" , RTCWeb IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001588e305ba870af7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] RFC 8855 registries X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 18:40:40 -0000 --0000000000001588e305ba870af7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obviously ;) El El jue, 4 feb 2021 a las 19:39, Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> escribi=C3=B3: > > >> The chairs of that working group, when closing it, made that proposal. > I didn't think it sounded like a crazy idea given both contributed to C23= 8, > but if that was wrong, I'm happy to look for volunteers elsewhere. > > > > I fail to see why WebRTC (or browsers or devices capable of running a > WebRTC stack) need a "unified" messaging protocol. > > There was actually a draft defining a WebRTC data channel usage for BFCP, > but it never progressed. > > Regards, > > Christer > > -- I=C3=B1aki Baz Castillo --0000000000001588e305ba870af7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously ;)

El El jue, 4 feb 2021 a las 19:39, Chris= ter Holmberg <christer= .holmberg@ericsson.com> escribi=C3=B3:

>> The chairs of that working group, when closing it, made that propo= sal.=C2=A0 I didn't think it sounded like a crazy idea given both contr= ibuted to C238, but if that was wrong, I'm happy to look for volunteers= elsewhere.
>
> I fail to see why WebRTC (or browsers or devices capable of running a = WebRTC stack) need a "unified" messaging protocol.

There was actually a draft defining a WebRTC data channel usage for BFCP, b= ut it never progressed.

Regards,

Christer

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--0000000000001588e305ba870af7-- From nobody Fri Feb 5 10:05:10 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590953A0DF7; Fri, 5 Feb 2021 10:05:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <161254830574.24177.6283320825513096599@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 10:05:06 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] WG Review: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 18:05:07 -0000 A new IETF WG has been proposed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by 2021-02-15. Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Sean Turner Ted Hardie Assigned Area Director: Murray Kucherawy Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Barry Leiba Murray Kucherawy Mailing list: Address: rtcweb@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanisms that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without requiring non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working groups, all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the RFC Editor refers to as a “cluster”. In the end, that cluster comprised more than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and state our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort to publish updates to the affected documents. The key part of the added text was as follows: “The specific issue involves the handling of "m=" sections that are designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between these specifications and existing browser implementations …” The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, come to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those two documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability with SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that are affected by any change is to be considered. draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned to the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval via rechartering. Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will be required. Milestones: Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational. Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as Proposed Standard. 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We're not approved as revived WG yet, but that's the current theory, regards, Ted --000000000000ad496105baea5da6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Howdy,

Our tentative slot for IETF 110 is: Session 1, Friday, March 12, 2021 (Noon UTC).
We're not approved as revived WG yet, but that's the current theory,

regards,

Ted


--000000000000ad496105baea5da6-- From nobody Fri Feb 12 16:38:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1728D3A1261; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:33:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org, superuser@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161317641308.31337.14627212757117436528@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:33:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] rtcweb - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 110 X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:33:42 -0000 Dear Liz Flynn, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. rtcweb Session 1 (1:00 requested) Friday, 12 March 2021, Session I 1300-1500 Room Name: Room 2 size: 502 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/sessions/rtcweb.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Liz Flynn Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: Technology Overlap: mmusic dispatch dmarc emailcore People who must be present: Murray Kucherawy Sean Turner Ted Hardie Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Feb 19 09:42:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1553A1261; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:42:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.26.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org, rtcweb@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <161375655330.29021.8215379109983130364@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:42:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:42:34 -0000 The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applications and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Sean Turner Ted Hardie Assigned Area Director: Murray Kucherawy Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Barry Leiba Murray Kucherawy Mailing list: Address: rtcweb@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanisms that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without requiring non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working groups, all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the RFC Editor refers to as a “cluster”. In the end, that cluster comprised more than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and state our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort to publish updates to the affected documents. The key part of the added text was as follows: “The specific issue involves the handling of "m=" sections that are designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between these specifications and existing browser implementations …” The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, come to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those two documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability with SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that are affected by any change is to be considered. draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned to the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval via rechartering. Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will be required. Milestones: Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational. Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as Proposed Standard. 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This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the charter is quite pointed on what we have to do. We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March 12, 12:00 UTC (the first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk of the time will be spent on the handling of "m=3D" sections that are designated as bundle-only= . If you want to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as possible. If you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me know, and we'll discuss it with you. thanks, Ted and Sean On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG wrote: > The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applicatio= ns > and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional > information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. > > Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Proposed WG > > Chairs: > Sean Turner > Ted Hardie > > Assigned Area Director: > Murray Kucherawy > > Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: > Barry Leiba > Murray Kucherawy > > Mailing list: > Address: rtcweb@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ > > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ > > The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanis= ms > that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, > collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without > requiring > non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of > RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working group= s, > all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what th= e > RFC Editor refers to as a =E2=80=9Ccluster=E2=80=9D. In the end, that cl= uster comprised > more > than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. > > During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was > identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this > contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and > state > our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort = to > publish updates to the affected documents. > > The key part of the added text was as follows: > > =E2=80=9CThe specific issue involves the handling of "m=3D" sections that= are > designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. > Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as betwee= n > these specifications and existing browser implementations =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D > > The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, > come > to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those > two > documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the > contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The > resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability wi= th > SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that a= re > affected by any change is to be considered. > > draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned > to > the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue > described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the > JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for > publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or > taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval > via > rechartering. > > Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will = be > required. > > Milestones: > > Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational= . > > Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as > Proposed > Standard. > > > > --0000000000001b313305bbb46071 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And we're back.

This is = hopefully for a limited engagement, as the charter is quite pointed on what= we have to do.=C2=A0

We do have a meeting sl= ot at IETF 110, Friday March 12, 12:00 UTC (the first slot on the final day= , in other words). The bulk of the time will be spent on the handling of &q= uot;m=3D" sections that are designated as bundle-only.=C2=A0 If you wa= nt to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as possible.=C2= =A0 If you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me know, and we= 'll discuss it with you.

thanks,
Ted and Sean


On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:= 42 AM The IESG <iesg-secretar= y@ietf.org> wrote:
The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the A= pplications
and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
=C2=A0 Sean Turner <sean+ietf@sn3rd.com>
=C2=A0 Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>

Assigned Area Director:
=C2=A0 Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
=C2=A0 Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
=C2=A0 Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Mailing list:
=C2=A0 Address: rtcweb= @ietf.org
=C2=A0 To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listin= fo/rtcweb
=C2=A0 Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/br= owse/rtcweb/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/=

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/chart= er-ietf-rtcweb/

The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanisms=
that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video,
collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without req= uiring
non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins.=C2=A0 The result was a set= of
RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working groups,=
all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the<= br> RFC Editor refers to as a =E2=80=9Ccluster=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 In the end, that= cluster comprised more
than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021.

During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was
identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843.=C2=A0 A description of t= his
contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and sta= te
our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort to=
publish updates to the affected documents.

The key part of the added text was as follows:

=E2=80=9CThe specific issue involves the handling of "m=3D" secti= ons that are
designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between<= br> these specifications and existing browser implementations =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D

The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, com= e
to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those t= wo
documents.=C2=A0 Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the=
contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP.= =C2=A0 The
resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability with=
SDP Offer/Answer.=C2=A0 Finally, the impact on existing implementations tha= t are
affected by any change is to be considered.

draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned t= o
the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue described above.=C2=A0 The working group will therefore produce updates to = the
JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for
publication after it has been revised.=C2=A0 Updating any other document, o= r
taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval v= ia
rechartering.

Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will be=
required.

Milestones:

=C2=A0 Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informatio= nal.

=C2=A0 Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as P= roposed
=C2=A0 Standard.



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[209.85.210.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x16sm2665524otp.81.2021.02.20.13.08.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-f41.google.com with SMTP id q4so8514031otm.9; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:600a:: with SMTP id h10mr11569666otj.13.1613855305756; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:08:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <161375655330.29021.8215379109983130364@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Roman Shpount Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:08:15 -0500 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Cc: Ted Hardie , RTCWeb IETF , "rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000037f4e305bbcaf88d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 21:08:30 -0000 --00000000000037f4e305bbcaf88d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Christer, You are probably the most qualified to do so. Let me know if you need any help regarding the current implementation status or backward interop testing. _____________ Roman Shpount On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:25 PM Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi, > > > > I could present the JSEP/BUNDLE specification misalignment, unless someon= e > else wants to. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > *From:* rtcweb *On Behalf Of *Ted Hardie > *Sent:* perjantai 19. helmikuuta 2021 20.11 > *To:* RTCWeb IETF > *Cc:* rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in > WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > > > > And we're back. > > > > This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the charter is quite > pointed on what we have to do. > > > > We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March 12, 12:00 UTC (the > first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk of the time will b= e > spent on the handling of "m=3D" sections that are designated as bundle-on= ly. > If you want to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as > possible. If you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me kno= w, > and we'll discuss it with you. > > > > thanks, > > > > Ted and Sean > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG wrote: > > The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applicatio= ns > and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional > information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. > > Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Proposed WG > > Chairs: > Sean Turner > Ted Hardie > > Assigned Area Director: > Murray Kucherawy > > Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: > Barry Leiba > Murray Kucherawy > > Mailing list: > Address: rtcweb@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ > > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ > > The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanis= ms > that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, > collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without > requiring > non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of > RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working group= s, > all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what th= e > RFC Editor refers to as a =E2=80=9Ccluster=E2=80=9D. In the end, that cl= uster comprised > more > than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. > > During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was > identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this > contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and > state > our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort = to > publish updates to the affected documents. > > The key part of the added text was as follows: > > =E2=80=9CThe specific issue involves the handling of "m=3D" sections that= are > designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. > Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as betwee= n > these specifications and existing browser implementations =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D > > The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, > come > to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those > two > documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the > contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The > resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability wi= th > SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that a= re > affected by any change is to be considered. > > draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned > to > the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue > described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the > JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for > publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or > taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval > via > rechartering. > > Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will = be > required. > > Milestones: > > Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational= . > > Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as > Proposed > Standard. > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > --00000000000037f4e305bbcaf88d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Christer,

You are probably the most = qualified to do so. Let me know if you need any help regarding the current = implementation status or backward interop testing.
_____________
Roman Shpount


On Sat, Feb 20, 2021= at 1:25 PM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

I could present the JSEP/BUNDLE= specification misalignment, unless someone else wants to.

=C2=A0

Regards,

=C2=A0

Christer

=C2=A0

From: rtcweb <rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Ted Hardie
Sent: perjantai 19. helmikuuta 2021 20.11
To: RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>
Cc: rtcw= eb-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication= in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)

=C2=A0

And we're back.

=C2=A0

This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the c= harter is quite pointed on what we have to do.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March = 12, 12:00 UTC (the first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk o= f the time will be spent on the handling of "m=3D" sections that = are designated as bundle-only.=C2=A0 If you want to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as possible.=C2=A0 I= f you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me know, and we'= ll discuss it with you.

=C2=A0

thanks,

=C2=A0

Ted and Sean

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.o= rg> wrote:

The Real-Time Communica= tion in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applications
and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
=C2=A0 Sean Turner <sean+ietf@sn3rd.com>
=C2=A0 Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>

Assigned Area Director:
=C2=A0 Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
=C2=A0 Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
=C2=A0 Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Mailing list:
=C2=A0 Address: rtcweb= @ietf.org
=C2=A0 To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
=C2=A0 Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/

The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanisms=
that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video,
collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without req= uiring
non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins.=C2=A0 The result was a set= of
RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working groups,=
all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the<= br> RFC Editor refers to as a =E2=80=9Ccluster=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 In the end, that= cluster comprised more
than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021.

During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was
identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843.=C2=A0 A description of t= his
contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and sta= te
our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort to=
publish updates to the affected documents.

The key part of the added text was as follows:

=E2=80=9CThe specific issue involves the handling of "m=3D" secti= ons that are
designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between<= br> these specifications and existing browser implementations =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D

The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, com= e
to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those t= wo
documents.=C2=A0 Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the=
contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP.= =C2=A0 The
resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability with=
SDP Offer/Answer.=C2=A0 Finally, the impact on existing implementations tha= t are
affected by any change is to be considered.

draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned t= o
the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue described above.=C2=A0 The working group will therefore produce updates to = the
JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for
publication after it has been revised.=C2=A0 Updating any other document, o= r
taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval v= ia
rechartering.

Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will be=
required.

Milestones:

=C2=A0 Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informatio= nal.

=C2=A0 Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as P= roposed
=C2=A0 Standard.


_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
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Please have a look and feel free to leave comments in the preso. On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:53 PM Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi Roman, > > > > >You are probably the most qualified to do so. Let me know if you need > any help regarding the current implementation status or backward interop > testing. > > > > I don=E2=80=99t have much information, so feel free to send me whatever y= ou have :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:25 PM Christer Holmberg 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I could present the JSEP/BUNDLE specification misalignment, unless someon= e > else wants to. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > *From:* rtcweb *On Behalf Of *Ted Hardie > *Sent:* perjantai 19. helmikuuta 2021 20.11 > *To:* RTCWeb IETF > *Cc:* rtcweb-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication in > WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > > > > And we're back. > > > > This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the charter is quite > pointed on what we have to do. > > > > We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March 12, 12:00 UTC (the > first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk of the time will b= e > spent on the handling of "m=3D" sections that are designated as bundle-on= ly. > If you want to present on this, please send a note to the WG as soon as > possible. If you have some other agenda item, please let Sean and me kno= w, > and we'll discuss it with you. > > > > thanks, > > > > Ted and Sean > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG wrote: > > The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applicatio= ns > and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional > information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. > > Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Current status: Proposed WG > > Chairs: > Sean Turner > Ted Hardie > > Assigned Area Director: > Murray Kucherawy > > Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: > Barry Leiba > Murray Kucherawy > > Mailing list: > Address: rtcweb@ietf.org > To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/ > > Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/ > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/ > > The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanis= ms > that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video, > collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without > requiring > non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins. The result was a set of > RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working group= s, > all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what th= e > RFC Editor refers to as a =E2=80=9Ccluster=E2=80=9D. In the end, that cl= uster comprised > more > than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021. > > During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was > identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843. A description of this > contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and > state > our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort = to > publish updates to the affected documents. > > The key part of the added text was as follows: > > =E2=80=9CThe specific issue involves the handling of "m=3D" sections that= are > designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. > Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as betwee= n > these specifications and existing browser implementations =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D > > The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, > come > to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those > two > documents. Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the > contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP. The > resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability wi= th > SDP Offer/Answer. Finally, the impact on existing implementations that a= re > affected by any change is to be considered. > > draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned > to > the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue > described above. The working group will therefore produce updates to the > JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for > publication after it has been revised. Updating any other document, or > taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval > via > rechartering. > > Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will = be > required. > > Milestones: > > Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informational= . > > Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as > Proposed > Standard. > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > --000000000000de445505bc1bf08b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's an initial set of slides that I put together th= e other day, still a few ??? to address:=C2=A0https://docs.google.= com/presentation/d/1aprC-TwmLI_zGdWgnTdKVYvaqXNkcf9eMgMhAIzv8Ek/edit?usp=3D= sharing&resourcekey=3D0-8HY7ugai8XnQyH4sA8cQdA. Please have a look = and feel free to leave comments in the preso.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:53 P= M Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi Roman,

=C2=A0

>You are probably the most q= ualified to do so. Let me know if you need any help regarding the current implementatio= n status or backward interop testing.

=C2=A0

I don=E2=80=99t have much infor= mation, so feel free to send me whatever you have :)

=C2=A0

Regards,

=C2=A0

Christer


=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 1:25 PM Christer Holmberg &l= t;christer.holmberg=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

I could present the JSEP/BUNDLE= specification misalignment, unless someone else wants to.=

=C2=A0

Regards,

=C2=A0

Christer

=C2=A0

From: rtcweb <rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Ted Hardie
Sent: perjantai 19. helmikuuta 2021 20.11
To: RTCWeb IETF <rtcweb@ietf.org>
Cc: rtcw= eb-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] WG Action: Rechartered Real-Time Communication= in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)

=C2=A0

And we're back.

=C2=A0

This is hopefully for a limited engagement, as the c= harter is quite pointed on what we have to do.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

We do have a meeting slot at IETF 110, Friday March = 12, 12:00 UTC (the first slot on the final day, in other words). The bulk o= f the time will be spent on the handling of "m=3D" sections that are designated as bundle-only.=C2=A0 If you want to present on this, = please send a note to the WG as soon as possible.=C2=A0 If you have some ot= her agenda item, please let Sean and me know, and we'll discuss it with= you.

=C2=A0

thanks,

=C2=A0

Ted and Sean

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:42 AM The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.o= rg> wrote:

The Real-Time Communica= tion in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) WG in the Applications
and Real-Time Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional
information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs.

Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
=C2=A0 Sean Turner <sean+ietf@sn3rd.com>
=C2=A0 Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>

Assigned Area Director:
=C2=A0 Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Applications and Real-Time Area Directors:
=C2=A0 Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
=C2=A0 Murray Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com>

Mailing list:
=C2=A0 Address: rtcweb= @ietf.org
=C2=A0 To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
=C2=A0 Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rtcweb/

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/rtcweb/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-rtcweb/

The RTCWEB working group was originally chartered to standardize mechanisms=
that provide direct interactive rich communication using audio, video,
collaboration, games, etc. between two peers' web-browsers, without req= uiring
non-standard extensions or proprietary plug-ins.=C2=A0 The result was a set= of
RFCs from RTCWEB, in addition to many other RFCs from other working groups,=
all of which are interrelated and had to be published together in what the<= br> RFC Editor refers to as a =E2=80=9Ccluster=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 In the end, that= cluster comprised more
than 40 RFCs and was finally published in January 2021.

During the run-up to publication of the cluster, a contradiction was
identified between what became RFCs 8829 and 8843.=C2=A0 A description of t= his
contradiction was added to both documents to highlight the problem, and sta= te
our intention to proceed with publication but quickly initiate an effort to=
publish updates to the affected documents.

The key part of the added text was as follows:

=E2=80=9CThe specific issue involves the handling of "m=3D" secti= ons that are
designated as bundle-only, as discussed in Section 4.1.1 of [RFC 8829]. Currently, there is divergence between JSEP and BUNDLE, as well as between<= br> these specifications and existing browser implementations =E2=80=A6=E2=80= =9D

The working group is being reconstituted to take up this contradiction, com= e
to consensus on a resolution, and issue Standards Track updates for those t= wo
documents.=C2=A0 Specifically, the goal of this work is to address only the=
contradictions regarding "bundle-only" between BUNDLE and JSEP.= =C2=A0 The
resulting aligned solution should avoid impacting the interoperability with=
SDP Offer/Answer.=C2=A0 Finally, the impact on existing implementations tha= t are
affected by any change is to be considered.

draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, will be returned t= o
the working group to be updated according to the resolution of the issue described above.=C2=A0 The working group will therefore produce updates to = the
JSEP and BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for
publication after it has been revised.=C2=A0 Updating any other document, o= r
taking up any other issue, is out of scope and will require IESG approval v= ia
rechartering.

Coordination with the MMUSIC working group to develop this solution will be=
required.

Milestones:

=C2=A0 Aug 2021 - Update to draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp to the IESG as Informatio= nal.

=C2=A0 Aug 2021 - Updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents to the IESG as P= roposed
=C2=A0 Standard.

_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb

_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb
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