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X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 16:21:34 -0000 --_000_AM0PR07MB3860AACB8467304B6D79F48C935B9AM0PR07MB3860eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When can we expect the first revision of the new JSEP draft? Regards, Christer --_000_AM0PR07MB3860AACB8467304B6D79F48C935B9AM0PR07MB3860eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When can we expect the first re= vision of the new JSEP draft?

 

Regards,

 

Christer

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Hi Christer,

The chairs disc= ussed this with the author team, and they are hopeful to have a first draft= to circulate among themselves this week. I'm sure a first public draft= will appear shortly after.

regards,

Ted

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 5:21 PM Christer Holmb= erg <christer.holmberg=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

When can we expect the first re= vision of the new JSEP draft?

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Regards,

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Christer

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Starting to seem like I'm going in circles, deed = help/direction.

The questions relates to:=C2=A0TURN ser= vers running over webtransport.

Please see end of this dialogue for = details.

https://github.com/w3c/webrtc-pc/issues/2651
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I think you will have to make clear what type of functionality you are afte= r. TURN is a relay solution for UDP datagrams. Thus for running some other pro= tocol that uses UDP payloads between endpoints. So what UDP based protocol are yo= u trying to emit from an web application that then needs to be sent as IP/UDP= to hte far endpoint when you have Webtransport in place with a server?=20 So MASQUE WG is already working on tunneling UDP Payloads over HTTP/3 to a remote IP/UDP endpoint. That will provide similar functionality to TURN ove= r WebTransport if your goal is to be above HTTP. Would doing TURN over WebTransport be just duplication of MASQUE? Or would it actually provide a benefit? And why do you need a standarized version from a web app perspecti= ve? Because you can clearly implement one over WebTransport and its API. =20 An WebRTC application could use WebTransport to talk to the servers to achi= ve the benefits of WebTransport. For P2P usages similar API primitives do exis= t in WebRTC.=20 So what would TUNR over WebTransport provides in benefit? and for which use cases? I think you need to make the requirements and usage first, then we c= an discuss potential solutions. 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