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The group also agreed that the 3rd party call control issue should be documented but that there should be no normative changes. In AOB, the group discussed the examples draft, which is currently an AD-sponsored draft that has expired. The chairs agreed to talk to Suhas to confirm that he still had energy and, if so, to work with the AD to find reviewers. ***** Please send any corrections to the list; if you have objections to the consensus of the room, please also send those to the list. Assuming that none are received, the next step would be a WGLC of rfc8829bis once the agreed changes are mad. Ted and Sean Raw minutes: Original BOF was March 2011 and we are not done yet. JSEPbis I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis/ Repo: https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/pull/1017 Diff: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc882= 9.txt&url2=3Dhttps://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis= -00.txt Justin presented. Ekr - add that the correct behavior is what was max-bundle. Justin will add a bit of that text which clarifies prefered behavior to introduction section. On the Issue with 3PCC: Roman would like to see us to add a note that says it works this way and 3PCC implementation need to be aware but no normative changes to how the draft works. No objections to adding this. Sean Turner - are we done? No issues raised. ------------------------------ Murray - There=E2=80=99s the examples document - it=E2=80=99s dead. Do we w= ant to reconsider? Not invested in it. Cullen - there=E2=80=99s useful info for implementers and we were going to = pub, but don=E2=80=99t know what we were waiting for. I prefer to pub. Sean - fine to run it through this WG. Murray - I=E2=80=99ll check the charter. Sean - we=E2=80=99ll check with Suhas. Ted - we=E2=80=99ll take it to the list. The review of examples is difficul= t. It may have stalled on reviews. Please send a note to chairs that you will review. We=E2=80=99ll ask Suhas = if it=E2=80=99s ready. Murray - if there=E2=80=99s not enough energy that=E2=80=99s ok too. ekr - fine to keep as an I-D, and not advance - lot of work, there are defects in the doc, world has gone on. Nils - I tried to review and ran out of steam. Devide and conquer I guess? One person to review would take a lot of time. Sean - fine to split it up. Cullen - we split it up last time, got good reviews. Let=E2=80=99s review t= he sections we didn=E2=80=99t get reviews on the last time. But asking for rev= iews and not publishing doesn=E2=80=99t encourage people to review. Justin - machine generation found issues we thought were correct. Unless machine checked, there will be errors. ekr - who is advocating to take it to RFC? Bernard - 2nd Justin=E2=80=99s concerns. SDP has changed. Likely an enormou= s amt work required here. Not saying it=E2=80=99s not worth doing. Justin - python based generator for JSEP, maybe could adapt that for this effort. Offering to help. Bernard - reviewing the generator would be easier than the examples. Nils - the draft abbreviates the SDP in the latter sections. Automating it will change the examples. Jonathan Lennox - agree with ekr. Don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s worth th= e effort. Cullen - everytime I have to debug webrtc, I have to look at SDP. Timothy - audience would be implementers of the stack. You can debug SDP with browser tools. But it=E2=80=99s a small audience Sean - we can solicit reviews and then hand it back to you, Murray. Ted - first check into Suhas. If he doesn=E2=80=99t have energy, we should = take that signal. After talking to him, the chairs will talk to Murray about AD-sponsored. Anyone object? (no objections) Ted - any other topic for the WG? (none raised) --000000000000d7668805c9aad350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The working group met at IETF 111 = on July 29, 2021

During the meeting, the working g= roup discussed https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis/ and agreed to add language th= at would clarify that the currently correct language was formerly max-bundl= e. The group also agreed that the 3rd party call control issue should be do= cumented but that there should be no normative changes.

In AOB, the group discussed the examples draft, which is currently an= AD-sponsored draft that has expired.=C2=A0 The chairs agreed to talk to Su= has to confirm that he still had energy and, if so, to work with the AD to = find reviewers.
*****

Please send any co= rrections to the list; if you have objections to the consensus of the room,= please also send those to the list.=C2=A0 Assuming that none are received,= the next step would be a WGLC of rfc8829bis once the agreed changes are ma= d.

Ted and Sean


<= /div>


Raw minutes:

Original BOF was March 2011 and we are not done = yet.

JSEPbis

I-D:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis/

Repo:
https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/pull/1017

Diff:
https://tools.ie= tf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8829.txt&url2= =3Dhttps://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis-00.txt

Justin presented.

E= kr - add that the correct behavior is what was max-bundle.

Justin will add a bit of that text which clarifies prefered beha= vior to introduction section.

On the Issue with = 3PCC:

Roman would like to see us to add a note that says it works this way and 3PCC implementation need to be aware but no normative changes to how the=20 draft works. No objections to adding this.

Sean = Turner - are we done? No issues raised.

Murr= ay - There=E2=80=99s the examples document - it=E2=80=99s dead. Do we want = to reconsider? Not invested in it.

Cullen - there=E2=80=99s useful info for implementers and we were going to pub, b= ut=20 don=E2=80=99t know what we were waiting for. I prefer to pub.

Sean - fine to run it through this WG.

Murray - I=E2=80=99ll check the charter.

= Sean - we=E2=80=99ll check with Suhas.

Ted - we= =E2=80=99ll take it to the list. The review of examples is difficult. It ma= y have stalled on reviews.
Please send a note to chairs that you will review. We=E2=80=99ll ask Suhas = if it=E2=80=99s ready.

Murray - if there=E2=80= =99s not enough energy that=E2=80=99s ok too.

ek= r - fine to keep as an I-D, and not advance - lot of work, there are defect= s in the doc, world has gone on.

Nils - I tried = to review and ran out of steam. Devide and conquer I guess? One person to r= eview would take a lot of time.

Sean - fine to s= plit it up.

Cullen - we split it up last time, got good reviews. Let=E2=80=99s review the sec= tions we didn=E2=80=99t get reviews on the last time. But asking for reviews and= not=20 publishing doesn=E2=80=99t encourage people to review.

Justin - machine generation found issues we thought were correct. Un= less machine checked, there will be errors.

ekr = - who is advocating to take it to RFC?

Bernard -= 2nd Justin=E2=80=99s concerns. SDP has changed. Likely an enormous amt wor= k required here. Not saying it=E2=80=99s not worth doing.

Justin - python based generator for JSEP, maybe could adapt that = for this effort. Offering to help.

Bernard - rev= iewing the generator would be easier than the examples.

Nils - the draft abbreviates the SDP in the latter sections. Automa= ting it will change the examples.

Jonathan Lenno= x - agree with ekr. Don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s worth the effort.

<= p class=3D"gmail-part">Cullen - everytime I have to debug webrtc, I have to= look at SDP.

Timothy - audience would be implem= enters of the stack. You can debug SDP with browser tools. But it=E2=80=99s= a small audience

Sean - we can solicit reviews = and then hand it back to you, Murray.

Ted - first check into Suhas. If he doesn=E2=80=99t have energy, we should tak= e=20 that signal. After talking to him, the chairs will talk to Murray about=20 AD-sponsored. Anyone object?

(no objections)

=

Ted - any other topic for the WG?

(none raised)

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Mon, 16 Aug 2021 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ted Hardie Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 12:37:41 +0100 Message-ID: To: Christer Holmberg Cc: RTCWeb IETF , Sean Turner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000091097905c9aba29a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Proposed minutes and call for consensus X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 11:38:15 -0000 --00000000000091097905c9aba29a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Christer, The biggest issue with the draft isn't which track it follows (working group or AD) but how to make sure that it has enough review. As Nils noted in the raw notes, it's particularly tricky to automate the checks because of the way the draft incorporates some of the SDP in some of the examples by reference. Suhas has said he still has energy for the draft, and we'll start lining up the reviewers after we get WGLC for the updated bis draft done. regards, Ted On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:11 PM Christer Holmberg < christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > >In AOB, the group discussed the examples draft, which is currently an > AD-sponsored draft that has expired. The chairs agreed to talk to Suhas > to confirm that he still had energy and, if so, to work with the AD to fi= nd > reviewers. > > > > Is the AD-sponsored statement correct? > > > > The publication of the examples draft is part of the new RTCWEB charter, > which was created not too long ago. I.e.., the WG has previously agreed t= o > bring the document back to the WG and publish it: > > > > =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp, which has not yet been published, *will b= e > returned to the working group to be updated according to the resolution o= f > the issue described above. *The working group will therefore > > produce updates to the JSEP and BUNDLE documents, *and re-submit > draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for publication* after it has been revised.=E2=80= =9D > > > > So, if Suhas (and nobody else) is willing to finalize the document, I > assume it shall be removed from the charter. > > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > --00000000000091097905c9aba29a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Christer,

The biggest iss= ue with the draft isn't which track it follows (working group or AD) bu= t how to make sure that it has enough review.=C2=A0 As Nils noted in the ra= w notes, it's particularly tricky to automate the checks because of the= way the draft incorporates some of the SDP in some of the examples by refe= rence.=C2=A0 Suhas has said he still has energy for the draft, and we'l= l start lining up the reviewers after we get WGLC for the updated bis draft= done.

regards,

Ted

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:11 PM Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wr= ote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

>In AOB, the group discussed= the examples draft, which is currently an AD-sponsored draft that has expi= red.=C2=A0 The chairs agreed to talk to Suhas to confirm that he still had ener= gy and, if so, to work with the AD to find reviewers.

=C2=A0

Is the AD-sponsored statement c= orrect?

=C2=A0

The publication of the examples= draft is part of the new RTCWEB charter, which was created not too long ag= o. I.e.., the WG has previously agreed to bring the document back to the WG= and publish it:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp,= which has not yet been published, will be returned to the working group to be updated according to the res= olution of the issue described above. The working group will therefore

produce updates to the JSEP and= BUNDLE documents, and re-submit draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp for publication after it has bee= n revised.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

So, if Suhas (and nobody else) = is willing to finalize the document, I assume it shall be removed from the = charter.

=C2=A0

Regards,

=C2=A0

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[71.178.177.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e10sm6434363qkg.18.2021.08.16.09.40.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Aug 2021 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 12:40:08 -0400 Cc: RTCWeb IETF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Ted Hardie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Proposed minutes and call for consensus X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 16:40:31 -0000 lgtm > On Aug 16, 2021, at 06:39, Ted Hardie wrote: >=20 > **** > The working group met at IETF 111 on July 29, 2021 >=20 > During the meeting, the working group discussed = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis/ and = agreed to add language that would clarify that the currently correct = language was formerly max-bundle. The group also agreed that the 3rd = party call control issue should be documented but that there should be = no normative changes. >=20 > In AOB, the group discussed the examples draft, which is currently an = AD-sponsored draft that has expired. The chairs agreed to talk to Suhas = to confirm that he still had energy and, if so, to work with the AD to = find reviewers. > ***** >=20 > Please send any corrections to the list; if you have objections to the = consensus of the room, please also send those to the list. Assuming = that none are received, the next step would be a WGLC of rfc8829bis once = the agreed changes are mad. >=20 > Ted and Sean >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Raw minutes: >=20 > Original BOF was March 2011 and we are not done yet. >=20 > JSEPbis >=20 > I-D: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis/ >=20 > Repo: > https://github.com/rtcweb-wg/jsep/pull/1017 >=20 > Diff: > = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttps://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc88= 29.txt&url2=3Dhttps://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829b= is-00.txt >=20 > Justin presented. >=20 > Ekr - add that the correct behavior is what was max-bundle. >=20 > Justin will add a bit of that text which clarifies prefered behavior = to introduction section. >=20 > On the Issue with 3PCC: >=20 > Roman would like to see us to add a note that says it works this way = and 3PCC implementation need to be aware but no normative changes to how = the draft works. No objections to adding this. >=20 > Sean Turner - are we done? No issues raised. >=20 > Murray - There=E2=80=99s the examples document - it=E2=80=99s dead. Do = we want to reconsider? Not invested in it. >=20 > Cullen - there=E2=80=99s useful info for implementers and we were = going to pub, but don=E2=80=99t know what we were waiting for. I prefer = to pub. >=20 > Sean - fine to run it through this WG. >=20 > Murray - I=E2=80=99ll check the charter. >=20 > Sean - we=E2=80=99ll check with Suhas. >=20 > Ted - we=E2=80=99ll take it to the list. The review of examples is = difficult. It may have stalled on reviews. > Please send a note to chairs that you will review. We=E2=80=99ll ask = Suhas if it=E2=80=99s ready. >=20 > Murray - if there=E2=80=99s not enough energy that=E2=80=99s ok too. >=20 > ekr - fine to keep as an I-D, and not advance - lot of work, there are = defects in the doc, world has gone on. >=20 > Nils - I tried to review and ran out of steam. Devide and conquer I = guess? One person to review would take a lot of time. >=20 > Sean - fine to split it up. >=20 > Cullen - we split it up last time, got good reviews. Let=E2=80=99s = review the sections we didn=E2=80=99t get reviews on the last time. But = asking for reviews and not publishing doesn=E2=80=99t encourage people = to review. >=20 > Justin - machine generation found issues we thought were correct. = Unless machine checked, there will be errors. >=20 > ekr - who is advocating to take it to RFC? >=20 > Bernard - 2nd Justin=E2=80=99s concerns. SDP has changed. Likely an = enormous amt work required here. Not saying it=E2=80=99s not worth = doing. >=20 > Justin - python based generator for JSEP, maybe could adapt that for = this effort. Offering to help. >=20 > Bernard - reviewing the generator would be easier than the examples. >=20 > Nils - the draft abbreviates the SDP in the latter sections. = Automating it will change the examples. >=20 > Jonathan Lennox - agree with ekr. Don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s = worth the effort. >=20 > Cullen - everytime I have to debug webrtc, I have to look at SDP. >=20 > Timothy - audience would be implementers of the stack. You can debug = SDP with browser tools. But it=E2=80=99s a small audience >=20 > Sean - we can solicit reviews and then hand it back to you, Murray. >=20 > Ted - first check into Suhas. If he doesn=E2=80=99t have energy, we = should take that signal. After talking to him, the chairs will talk to = Murray about AD-sponsored. 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[71.178.177.131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g68sm335586qkd.87.2021.08.17.07.04.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Aug 2021 07:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: <7F063623-CE2D-416E-9BA1-FAA89DAE4D48@sn3rd.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:04:02 -0400 To: RTCWeb IETF X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] rtcweb@ietf111 minutes and call for consensus X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:04:12 -0000 The following is a summary of meeting: ***** The working group met at IETF 111 on July 29, 2021 During the meeting, the working group discussed = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-uberti-rtcweb-rfc8829bis/ and = agreed to add language that would clarify that the currently correct = language was formerly max-bundle. The group also agreed that the 3rd = party call control issue should be documented but that there should be = no normative changes. In AOB, the group discussed the examples draft, which is currently an = AD-sponsored draft that has expired. The chairs agreed to talk to Suhas = to confirm that he still had energy and, if so, to work with the AD to = find reviewers. ***** Raw meeting minutes can be found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/minutes-111-rtcweb-00 Please send any corrections to the list by 19 August 2021 @ 2359 UTC; if = you have objections to the consensus of the room, please also send those = to the list. Assuming that none are received, the next step would be a = WGLC of rfc8829bis once the agreed changes are mad. Cheers, Ted and Sean=