From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 01 02:02:54 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzTO2-0006Z9-Ip; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:02:54 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzTO0-0006Yv-PV for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:02:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA15857 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzTuD-0005Ab-Gl for rtg-dir@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 02:36:10 -0400 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=usmovnazinin.alcatel.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1DzTNr-000BaR-LZ for rtg-dir@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:02:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:02:35 -0700 From: Alex Zinin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> To: rtg-dir@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Zinin List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org How about we do a dinner on Thursday this week. Say meet 19:45 at the IETF reception. -- Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 01 05:46:59 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzWst-00041r-UU; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:46:59 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzWPr-0005Ln-4K for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:16:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07381 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.21] helo=gwo1.mbox.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzWw3-00064f-9G for rtg-dir@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:50:18 -0400 Received: from gateout01.mbox.net (gateout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.21]) by gwo1.mbox.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97E5A12D249; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.21] by gateout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.17K) with ESMTP id 554JHaJqG0084Mo1; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:16:32 GMT Received: from gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET [165.212.116.254] by gateout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:16:32 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.116.254 IN skh@nexthop.com gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET X-USANET-MsgId: XID634JHaJqh4023Xo1 Received: from VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET ([10.116.208.141]) by gw2.EXCHPROD.USA.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 1 Aug 2005 03:16:32 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 03:16:28 -0600 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0292B24B@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: RTG-DIR Dinner thread-index: AcWWXrr0c8hYpfTfQgGvOZfY//fgOAAGuneg From: "Susan Hares" To: "Alex Zinin" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2005 09:16:32.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5355E30:01C59679] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: RE: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thursday at 19:45 is fine. Sue -----Original Message----- From: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alex Zinin Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:03 AM To: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: RTG-DIR Dinner How about we do a dinner on Thursday this week. Say meet 19:45 at the IETF reception. --=20 Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 01 05:58:56 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzX4S-0002dU-IS; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:58:56 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzX4Q-0002c7-Vt for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:58:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15302 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzXae-0007rN-Te for rtg-dir@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 06:32:15 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2005 02:58:43 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.95,156,1120460400"; d="scan'208"; a="201831794:sNHT26703216" Received: from [86.255.25.194] (rtp-vpn2-225.cisco.com [10.82.240.225]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j719wU6p026581; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 02:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <42EDF240.6090605@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:58:24 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zinin References: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org I'm leaving around lunch on Thursday....Tuesday lunch, Tuesday dinner, and Wednesday dinner are free. :-) Russ Alex Zinin wrote: > How about we do a dinner on Thursday this week. > Say meet 19:45 at the IETF reception. > From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 01 06:27:04 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzXVg-0007Dn-LM; 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Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:26:39 +0200 Message-ID: <42EE151D.3070303@net4u.ch> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:27:09 +0000 From: Tony Przygienda User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050328 Fedora/1.7.6-1.2.5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zinin References: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at net4u.ch X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Alex Zinin wrote: >How about we do a dinner on Thursday this week. >Say meet 19:45 at the IETF reception. > > > will be in mon night, out thu early afternoon. only free on wed lunch now --- tony From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 01 06:28:07 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzXWh-0007qB-2F; 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Mon, 1 Aug 2005 04:27:43 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7232.53 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 04:27:39 -0600 Message-ID: <6F44D7F6B24A8F4DA0AB46C9BE924F0292B257@VS4.EXCHPROD.USA.NET> Thread-Topic: RTG-DIR Dinner thread-index: AcWWgwrDJN4YAKaeRbO26EB+E75+uAAAIzDQ From: "Susan Hares" To: "Russ White" , "Alex Zinin" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2005 10:27:43.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6F05E60:01C59683] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: RE: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed dinner is free, Tuesday dinner is free. Sue -----Original Message----- From: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Russ White Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:58 AM To: Alex Zinin Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: RTG-DIR Dinner I'm leaving around lunch on Thursday....Tuesday lunch, Tuesday dinner,=20 and Wednesday dinner are free. :-) Russ Alex Zinin wrote: > How about we do a dinner on Thursday this week. > Say meet 19:45 at the IETF reception. >=20 From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 01 08:30:54 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzZRW-0007iG-Dc; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:30:54 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DzZRV-0007i4-1Z for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 08:30:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05608 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzZxj-0006km-Fk for rtg-dir@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:04:14 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1DzZRP-000L3g-HT; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:30:47 +0000 Message-ID: <42EE1611.2000302@psg.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:31:13 +0200 From: dimitri papadimitriou User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zinin References: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <1449534297.20050731230235@psg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dpapadimitriou@psg.com, dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org wednesday evening dinner (8:00PM) is ok for me Alex Zinin wrote: > How about we do a dinner on Thursday this week. > Say meet 19:45 at the IETF reception. > From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 02 13:56:39 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E010I-0001y8-VH; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:56:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E010I-0001wE-Ga for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:56:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08489 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.20.225.110] (helo=mail-white.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E01Wo-0003vX-CL for rtg-dir@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:30:15 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA11197523; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id j72HuSII025955; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:28 +0200 Message-Id: <200508021756.j72HuSII025955@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: zinin@psg.com Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:27 +0200 From: Bill Fenner Versions: dmail (linux) 2.6d/makemail 2.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: RTG-DIR Dinner X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Looks like Wednesday evening works for more people. Let's meet at 7:30pm, after the plenary is done, in the lobby of the Palais de Congres on level *1* (someplace we haven't spent any time yet this week) outside the Main Ampitheatre where the Plenary will be held. 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------=_NextPart_001_0001_4FC2C792.C2EBCCE4-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_52BE05C0.AB595364-- From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 05 04:53:29 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E0xxJ-0000RN-32; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:53:29 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E0xxH-0000Qy-SE for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 04:53:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA26962; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E0yUI-00008r-IP; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 05:27:37 -0400 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=usmovnazinin.alcatel.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1E0xxD-0001zp-02; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:53:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 01:53:10 -0700 From: Alex Zinin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <157777801.20050805015310@psg.com> To: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-chairs@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Need your participation in NEWTRK X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Zinin List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear WG chair and directorate members- I would _really_ like to encourage you to participate in the discussion in the NEWTRK WG. NEWTRK is currently discussing a proposal of a new series of documents (ISDs and SRDs), that would supposedly fix a problem (note an "a") with the IETF STD series. In my opinion, the WG is not solving the more important problems with the STD track (3-stage process, WG snapshots, etc.), and is adding unnecessary overhead. I have made my opinion known at the meeting today multiple times. Community representation in the WG is rather limited, and participation from the RTG folks and especially WG chairs would be extremely welcome. For info: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/newtrk-charter.html Thank you! -- Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 08 06:29:45 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E24t7-0004f8-1F; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:29:45 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E24t5-0004e1-89 for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:29:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11625; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mail.uk.clara.net ([80.168.70.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E25Qk-00033P-0m; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 07:04:31 -0400 Received: from du-069-0008.access.clara.net ([217.158.132.8] helo=Puppy) by relay1.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.46) id 1E24sm-000Dg8-HG; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:29:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00d801c59c04$6c491be0$08849ed9@Puppy> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Alex Zinin" , , References: <157777801.20050805015310@psg.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:10:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Need your participation in NEWTRK X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Hi, For those of us unable to attend the meeting owing to other engagements, would it be possible for you summarize your concerns and issues so we can look at them ahead of the publication of the minutes? Perhaps there is an email on the newtrk list you can point us at. Cheers, Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Zinin" To: ; Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Need your participation in NEWTRK > Dear WG chair and directorate members- > > I would _really_ like to encourage you to participate in the discussion in > the NEWTRK WG. > > NEWTRK is currently discussing a proposal of a new series of documents > (ISDs and SRDs), that would supposedly fix a problem (note an "a") with > the IETF STD series. > > In my opinion, the WG is not solving the more important problems with the > STD track (3-stage process, WG snapshots, etc.), and is adding unnecessary > overhead. I have made my opinion known at the meeting today multiple > times. > > Community representation in the WG is rather limited, and participation > from the RTG folks and especially WG chairs would be extremely welcome. > > For info: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/newtrk-charter.html > > Thank you! > > -- > Alex > http://www.psg.com/~zinin > > > From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 09 17:26:50 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2bcY-0003Ed-CI; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:26:50 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2bcX-0003EY-IY for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:26:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15702; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2cAU-0007ry-F1; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:01:56 -0400 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=usmovnazinin.alcatel.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1E2bcR-000InJ-UQ; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 21:26:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:26:31 -0700 From: Alex Zinin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> To: rtg-chairs@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: WG summaries for Paris X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Zinin List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear RTG WG chairs- If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting in Paris (2-3 paras max). Please use "reply-all" when doing so. Thank you. -- Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 09 18:38:43 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2ck7-0008Ic-BT; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:38:43 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2ck5-0008IV-Oe for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:38:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20157; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2dI4-0001AF-9K; Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:13:49 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Aug 2005 18:38:19 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,94,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="65890876:sNHT1098737720" Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j79MakTY011363; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:37:32 -0400 Received: from [10.82.240.205] ([10.82.240.205]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:37:31 -0400 Message-ID: <42F9302B.8080403@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:37:31 -0400 From: Acee Lindem User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zinin References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 22:37:31.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE2F2580:01C59D32] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Alex Zinin wrote: >Dear RTG WG chairs- > >If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting >in Paris (2-3 paras max). Please use "reply-all" when doing so. > >Thank you. > > > The OSPF WG met in Paris. Acee indicated RFC 2740 re-spin is almost ready for WG last call. One item he would still like to remove the stub/NSSA area restriction for unknown LSAs. A new proposal for attaching additional attributes to OSPF routes/links was presented by Sina Mirtorabi. It will be discussed on the WG. A status from Tom Henderson was given by Acee on the progress of the OSPF/MANET design team and the flooding algorithm simulation work being done at Boeing. The simulation environment and a report will be made available to the both the OSPF and MANET WGs. Padma Pillay-Esnault presented the OSPFv3 graceful restart draft. It is a small delta over the OSPFv2 specification with some additional considerations. Alex Zinin presented forwarding issues related to MTR and why we may want to standardise/document forwarding behavior. The room concensus was generally that it wouldn't be desirable to standardise this although more discussion could be in order as to whether or not there should be an informational draft. Finally, Vishwas Manral presented an informational draft from the RPSEC WG documenting the progress and problems with using IPSec with existing routing protocols. From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 10 04:45:35 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2mDP-0003Ne-Db; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:45:35 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2mDO-0003NK-H5 for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:45:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA12841; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtagate2.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.135]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2mlM-0006v6-Jw; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:20:42 -0400 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate2.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7A8jHSk326740; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:45:17 GMT Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.212]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.7) with ESMTP id j7A8jHK0279482; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:45:17 +0100 Received: from d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7A8jGpx023841; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av01.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7A8jGw7023829; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dhcp71-145.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.71.145]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA71814; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:45:15 +0200 Message-ID: <42F9BE99.2090100@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:45:13 +0200 From: Patrick Droz Organization: IBM Research Division User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zinin References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000104000203050608090907" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rha , rtg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris - ForCES WG X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000104000203050608090907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit attached is the summary Robert Haas provided to me: The ForCES wg resolved the final technical issues of the ForCES protocol, which includes: finalization of ForCES message and operation types, definition of the packet redirection LFBs, adoption of an opaque correlator to allow upper layers to match requests and responses, detailed specification of response formatting, abandon of fast recovery after association loss as well as CE LFB and FE Protocol LFBs. A refined model for the Logical Function Blocks of the Forwarding Engines was presented. It now supports a flexible event registration and notification scheme, a property information that describes meta information about the LFB elements themselves, and an aliasing mechanism to reference LFB elements in other LFBs. A revised TCP-based Transport Layer Mapping (TML) and a TIPC-based TML were presented. A presentation of the on-going FlexiNET EU project that relies on ForCES to offer service programmability was shown. Alex Zinin wrote: > Dear RTG WG chairs- > > If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting > in Paris (2-3 paras max). Please use "reply-all" when doing so. > > Thank you. > -- Dr. Patrick Droz | dro@zurich.ibm.com IBM Zurich Research Laboratory | http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dro Saumerstrasse 4 | Tel. +41-1-724-85-25 CH-8803 Rueschlikon/Switzerland | Fax. +41-1-724-85-78 --------------ms000104000203050608090907 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJLjCC AtowggJDoAMCAQICAwMUtjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBOMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UE ChMHRXF1aWZheDEtMCsGA1UECxMkRXF1aWZheCBTZWN1cmUgQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgQXV0aG9y aXR5MB4XDTAyMDExNDIyMDcxMVoXDTExMTIzMTIyMDcxMVowaTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxNDAy BgNVBAoTK0ludGVybmF0aW9uYWwgQnVzaW5lc3MgTWFjaGluZXMgQ29ycG9yYXRpb24xJDAi BgNVBAMTG0lCTSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOB jQAwgYkCgYEA629xc49NpAPzcAsuShTImLRYMkyepDEkC1UrPbsFRyAFZKsv3pw0MGfW/+7g lzJKgPkPzlTZZfznznGbmAWVnNBQlyPasOtCjif603euRXReHcKfHMPLItKozibWIPHJuOnw NclOnnP2sKufuPzbTImQTTi5c8JZNZcMJ0YFzTcCAwEAAaOBqjCBpzARBglghkgBhvhCAQEE BAMCAIcwDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgHGMB0GA1UdDgQWBBSuVA6S6qgzqSskLcfIbzDc3vNKQDAf BgNVHSMEGDAWgBRI5mj5K9KylddH2CMgEE8zmJCf1DAPBgNVHRMBAf8EBTADAQH/MDEGA1Ud JQQqMCgGCCsGAQUFBwMBBggrBgEFBQcDAgYIKwYBBQUHAwMGCCsGAQUFBwMEMA0GCSqGSIb3 DQEBBAUAA4GBADJye3NmC8q2PzypRZfu7JvDRDX1rRcanZvujQupk2oCScMd3FIHLE7hOfu8 YffvxtLU3y8wNamQEORjTD175qAffryXypwtiVjBUKSDlBCQ14keMcF9ViNdewEoBGiAycUq 8R3Lrlf4TCDvW4GeguNTFFZnS0ygYATiJk7iDyvEMIIDJDCCAo2gAwIBAgIDAe3eMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBAUAMGkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMTQwMgYDVQQKEytJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIEJ1c2lu ZXNzIE1hY2hpbmVzIENvcnBvcmF0aW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtJQk0gQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBB dXRob3JpdHkwHhcNMDQwOTA4MDgyOTEwWhcNMDUwOTIyMDgyOTEwWjCBgzELMAkGA1UEBhMC VVMxDDAKBgNVBAoTA0lCTTERMA8GA1UECxMIRU1QTE9ZRUUxFTATBgNVBAMTDFBhdHJpY2sg RHJvejEZMBcGCgmSJomT8ixkAQETCTMzMTkwMzg0ODEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSZHJvQHp1 cmljaC5pYm0uY29tMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQCMCH7XfNWjsk4/JLer GkIF+4NOltUEjJ5tpFUpAznm3q1gLpks5Hq9AiZ0NROrS/leyppP29dNJsUEVnO9dwyfQUWh Hk3VlPDuNneKhbvfDoYyJRxhp+Lpnw5uBtLpvm0RXKttbw3XCUPCcyMs046Y1m5+XunUotEF 7Fvci8/n8QIDAQABo4G+MIG7MBEGCWCGSAGG+EIBAQQEAwIFoDAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMCBeAw HQYDVR0OBBYEFD/OrZ9kTj9WbmJ+g8txJM0UxO3hMC0GA1UdEQQmMCSgIgYKKwYBBAGCNxQC A6AUDBJkcm9AenVyaWNoLmlibS5jb20wHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUrlQOkuqoM6krJC3HyG8w3N7z SkAwJwYDVR0lBCAwHgYIKwYBBQUHAwIGCCsGAQUFBwMDBggrBgEFBQcDBDANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQQFAAOBgQAXIgUJHKxCg7P4f12BKKBShLMk+9LWTKoYj0J/txL+A8XNM2EFSKQpbQJKmnh5 lmAUaMd64LC0OokYfRWh4WFazM0nNfGFAHto6glO15GtPgIzRJY3gD18AvwiKuaWED7N1aLI P2/hfbLBrG++uh6agT2wLtTLdrFTHOwKTsPGRTCCAyQwggKNoAMCAQICAwHt3jANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQQFADBpMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzE0MDIGA1UEChMrSW50ZXJuYXRpb25hbCBCdXNpbmVz cyBNYWNoaW5lcyBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbSUJNIENlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gQXV0 aG9yaXR5MB4XDTA0MDkwODA4MjkxMFoXDTA1MDkyMjA4MjkxMFowgYMxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MQwwCgYDVQQKEwNJQk0xETAPBgNVBAsTCEVNUExPWUVFMRUwEwYDVQQDEwxQYXRyaWNrIERy b3oxGTAXBgoJkiaJk/IsZAEBEwkzMzE5MDM4NDgxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEmRyb0B6dXJp Y2guaWJtLmNvbTCBnzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAjAh+13zVo7JOPyS3qxpC BfuDTpbVBIyebaRVKQM55t6tYC6ZLOR6vQImdDUTq0v5XsqaT9vXTSbFBFZzvXcMn0FFoR5N 1ZTw7jZ3ioW73w6GMiUcYafi6Z8ObgbS6b5tEVyrbW8N1wlDwnMjLNOOmNZufl7p1KLRBexb 3IvP5/ECAwEAAaOBvjCBuzARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMCBaAwDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgXgMB0G A1UdDgQWBBQ/zq2fZE4/Vm5ifoPLcSTNFMTt4TAtBgNVHREEJjAkoCIGCisGAQQBgjcUAgOg FAwSZHJvQHp1cmljaC5pYm0uY29tMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFK5UDpLqqDOpKyQtx8hvMNze80pA MCcGA1UdJQQgMB4GCCsGAQUFBwMCBggrBgEFBQcDAwYIKwYBBQUHAwQwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEE BQADgYEAFyIFCRysQoOz+H9dgSigUoSzJPvS1kyqGI9Cf7cS/gPFzTNhBUikKW0CSpp4eZZg FGjHeuCwtDqJGH0VoeFhWszNJzXxhQB7aOoJTteRrT4CM0SWN4A9fAL8IirmlhA+zdWiyD9v 4X2ywaxvvroemoE9sC7Uy3axUxzsCk7DxkUxggLQMIICzAIBATBwMGkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MTQwMgYDVQQKEytJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIEJ1c2luZXNzIE1hY2hpbmVzIENvcnBvcmF0aW9u MSQwIgYDVQQDExtJQk0gQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRob3JpdHkCAwHt3jAJBgUrDgMCGgUA oIIBtjAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNTA4MTAw ODQ1MTNaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBRbnQL1+/zoY3YC3l+ZWJG0WHNMtzBSBgkqhkiG9w0B CQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMHMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUr DgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDB/BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxcjBwMGkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMTQw MgYDVQQKEytJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIEJ1c2luZXNzIE1hY2hpbmVzIENvcnBvcmF0aW9uMSQw IgYDVQQDExtJQk0gQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRob3JpdHkCAwHt3jCBgQYLKoZIhvcNAQkQ AgsxcqBwMGkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMTQwMgYDVQQKEytJbnRlcm5hdGlvbmFsIEJ1c2luZXNz IE1hY2hpbmVzIENvcnBvcmF0aW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtJQk0gQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRo b3JpdHkCAwHt3jANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASBgGAIFWqWMn1MUefv2TK6uSwmlSMiHROhnm6u VJ6NKBIV3Wm++1kZVYfMGpNrXjA62zTxzuWUS/lJCOP3uRj57f3inLHHxbdZIOrIVb4qYseu J2FiYqeFlRsZhj81skCmjananTJl8kw6Z5tZinvpiFAvx/NKf1x154QLOLUmqCUJAAAAAAAA --------------ms000104000203050608090907-- From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 10 05:34:40 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2myu-0000hO-Dr; 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----JiskVf2DGYtMP6RSIz-- From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 10 10:24:01 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2rUv-0006e2-Lm; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:24:01 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2rUu-0006dn-8b for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:24:00 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01889; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.mail.uk.clara.net ([80.168.70.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2s2z-0008Mz-L6; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:59:16 -0400 Received: from du-069-0239.access.clara.net ([217.158.132.239] helo=Puppy) by relay1.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.46) id 1E2rUg-000K0J-H1; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:23:47 +0100 Message-ID: <06b101c59db7$7d0c20d0$08849ed9@Puppy> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "Alex Zinin" , References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:24:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris: CCAMP X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org CCAMP WG Summary The discussion in CCAMP fell into three sections. We looked at the status of existing WG I-Ds. Most are either in the RFC Ed Q or with the ADs for review. Of those remaining in the WG there are not many significant issues to resolve. The inter-domain solutions drafts need a little more work, and there was some heated debate about the precise mechanisms to use for LSP stitching, however resolution appears to have been reached. There was an extensive debate about the work plan for the working group. It was agreed that the way forward was for the chairs to construct (with the help of the WG) a set of milestones to cover the next one to two years. The work would cover topics that are already close to or within the charter and would be sure to include items to "finish off" existing work, such as MIB modules and implementation advice/surveys. Where large items of work are identified, CCAMP will look at the possibility of spinning them off into other/new working groups as was done with L1VPNs. The third section of the meeting was devoted to a discussion of GMPLS control of Ethernet networks. There was much debate about what was and was not in scope for CCAMP and for the IETF. There was plenty of evidence that the proposals had been misunderstood, and precious little evidence that the framework I-D had been read. In short, the proposal is to manage point-to-point Ethernet networks through a GMPLS control plane to provide end-to-end connectivity, and to offer Ethernet tunnels over lower layer networks. There is no proposal to change the Ethernet data plane and frequent reference was made to the way that GMPLS is used to control TDM networks without changing the data plane. It is an open issue as to what will be used as the label within such a GMPLS-controlled Ethernet network, and no decision has been made. This final topic was identified as a prime candidate for a spin-out to a new working group and several people will examine the case for a BOF for Vancouver. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Zinin" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: WG summaries for Paris > Dear RTG WG chairs- > > If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting > in Paris (2-3 paras max). Please use "reply-all" when doing so. > > Thank you. > > -- > Alex > http://www.psg.com/~zinin > > > From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 10 12:19:18 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2tIU-0000Jx-4w; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:19:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2tIS-0000Jr-Jv for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:19:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08986; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cronos.ocn.ne.jp ([222.146.51.136] helo=smtp.cronos.ocn.ne.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2tqY-0003Kb-Fe; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p4075-ipbf907marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [58.88.43.75]) by smtp.cronos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A7824D3; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:18:43 +0900 From: Tomonori TAKEDA To: Alex Zinin In-Reply-To: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> Message-Id: <20050811011231.3A71.TAKEDA.TOMONORI@lab.ntt.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.20.07 [ja] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: takeda.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org L1VPN WG summary: This was the first WG meeting, and we went over the objectives and milestones. Framework I-D was presented, and we concluded that this needs to be progressed rapidly as this is basic to work for going forward. Then, we looked over existing solutions (GVPN and GMPLS overlay), followed by protocol analysis, and discussed missing functionalities. It seems that more feedback is needed. Lastly, we discussed the work plan for protocol works. The initial target is on the basic mode. There was an intensive discussion at this point about what is in scope and out of scope for L1VPN WG. One was about TDM PW type of service, and the other was about scheduling type of service. Writing some text was requested to understand what needs to be done. On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:26:31 -0700 Alex Zinin wrote: > Dear RTG WG chairs- > > If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting > in Paris (2-3 paras max). 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From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 11 07:27:14 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3BDO-00089U-C7; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:27:14 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3BDM-000895-QE for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:27:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA24315; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3Ble-0001iR-KF; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:02:39 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2005 04:27:03 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,99,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="204190178:sNHT30170664" Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7BBQlQQ003723; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:26:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([10.86.240.126]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:26:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9339707D-794A-4560-9082-6DD6CA635E51@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JP Vasseur Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:27:22 -0400 To: Alex Zinin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2005 11:26:55.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[941A5160:01C59E67] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris - PCE WG X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alex, PCE WG meeting summary The first part of the meeting was devoted to checking progress against our Milestones which have been reached with only two exceptions: the "PCE discovery" (half done, second part should be done in a near future) and the "objective metric" which will first require more progress on other WG items. The remaining open issues related to several IDs have been then discussed (namely the PCE Architecture, Generic PCE communication requirement and PCE discovery requirement) so as to proceed further with WG LC. Most of the time has been spent on a key WG item: the PCE communication protocol. Two proposals have been discussed with the objective of polling the application area to determine whether they would have a candidate protocol to propose that would fit the PCE WG requirements. The WG objective is to select a protocol preferably before IETF-64. The meeting concluded with the list of next steps: open issues to be sorted out, new required IDs ("less-constrained path computation", application-specific requirements IDs (to be initiated by the Design Team), PCE discovery protocol and PCE communication protocol). JP. On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Alex Zinin wrote: > Dear RTG WG chairs- > > If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG > meeting > in Paris (2-3 paras max). Please use "reply-all" when doing so. > > Thank you. > > -- > Alex > http://www.psg.com/~zinin > From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 11 13:13:47 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3Gcl-0003it-Ne; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:47 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3Gck-0003ib-0L for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14671; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3HB3-0002WU-S3; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:49:15 -0400 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Aug 2005 10:13:32 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,100,1122879600"; d="scan'208"; a="5630940:sNHT20968096" Received: from russpc (rtp-vpn3-624.cisco.com [10.82.218.115]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j7BHDRT7009711; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.82.218.115] by russpc (PGP Universal service); Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:29 -0500 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by russpc on Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:29 -0500 Message-ID: <42FB8731.2060305@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:13:21 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Zinin References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris (RPsec) X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The first part of the WG meeting was taken going over current state of drafts. We need to look at getting the current work through last call, and then doing a charter change for taking on the work that's already sitting on the sidelines waiting to be worked on. We then had two presentations, one about possible changes to S-BGP's encryption algorithms to improve its performance, and the second about issues with current cryptographic mechanisms available/specified for routing protocols. The minutes are available here: http://www.rpsec.org/ Along with the three presentations. :-) Russ Alex Zinin wrote: > Dear RTG WG chairs- > > If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting > in Paris (2-3 paras max). 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X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org IESG Agenda Good approximation of what will be included in the Agenda of next Telechat (2005-08-18). Updated 2:26:24 EDT, August 15, 2005 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Roll Call 1.2 Bash the Agenda 1.3 Approval of the Minutes of the past telechat 1.4 List of Remaining Action Items from Last Telechat 1.5 Review of Projects 2. Protocol Actions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable basis on which to build the salient part of the Internet infrastructure? If not, what changes would make it so?" 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Item Area Date INT Encapsulation Methods for Transport of Ethernet Over MPLS Networks (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 8 draft-ietf-pwe3-ethernet-encap-10.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Mark Townsley INT PWE3 Control Word for use over an MPLS PSN (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 8 draft-ietf-pwe3-cw-05.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Mark Townsley INT ATM over L2TPv3 (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 8 draft-ietf-l2tpext-pwe3-atm-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Ron da Silva is the PROTO Shepherd for this document. Token: Margaret Wasserman INT Frame-Relay over L2TPv3 (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 8 draft-ietf-l2tpext-pwe3-fr-06.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Ron da Silva will be the PROTO shepherd for this document. Token: Margaret Wasserman INT HDLC Frames over L2TPv3 (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 8 draft-ietf-l2tpext-pwe3-hdlc-06.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Ron da Silva will be the PROTO shepherd for this document. Token: Margaret Wasserman Definitions of Managed Objects for Bridges with OPS Aug 11 Rapid Spanning Tree Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 8 draft-ietf-bridge-rstpmib-08.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: IETF Last Call expires on Aug 19th (one day after IESG telechat) so I (Bert) will hold a DISCUSS to ensure we evaluate all IETF LC comments that may come in up to and including the 19th. Token: Bert Wijnen Privacy Extensions for Stateless Address INT Autoconfiguration in IPv6 (Draft Standard) - 7 of 8 draft-ietf-ipv6-privacy-addrs-v2-04.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Margaret Wasserman INT Handling of Unknown DNS Resource Record (RR) Types (Draft) - 8 of 8 rfc3597.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Olaf Kolkman will be the PROTO shepherd for this document. The interoperability report can be found at:Â http://www.ietf.org/ internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-dnsext-interop3597-02.txt Token: Margaret Wasserman 2.1.2 Returning Item NONE 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Item Area Date INT Aug 10 Deprecation of "ip6.int" (BCP) - 1 of 2 draft-huston-ip6-int-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Bert Wijnen GEN Standardization of Multilingualizing Domain Names(MLDN) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 2 draft-ekrema-smldn-00.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: On the agenda to request IESG support for a DNP response to this document (see ballot write-up and technical reviews in the tracker comments section, as they become available). Token: Margaret Wasserman 2.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.1.1 New Item Area Date INT Low Latency Handoffs in Mobile IPv4 (Experimental) - 1 of 3 draft-ietf-mobileip-lowlatency-handoffs-v4-10.txt Token: Margaret Wasserman INT Extension to Sockets API for Mobile IPv6 (Informational) - 2 of 3 draft-ietf-mip6-mipext-advapi-04.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Margaret Wasserman Guidelines for Usage of the Session Initiation TSV Protocol (SIP) Caller Preferences Extension (Informational) - 3 of 3 draft-ietf-sipping-callerprefs-usecases-04.txt Note: PROTO shepherd gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Token: Allison Mankin 3.1.2 Returning Item NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.2.1 New Item Area Date Additional cryptographic algorithms for use SEC with GOST 28147-89, GOST R 34.10-94, GOST R 34.10-2001, and GOST R 34.11-94 algorithms. (Informational) - 1 of 1 draft-popov-cryptopro-cpalgs-03.txt Token: Russ Housley 3.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3 Individual Submissions Via RFC Editor The IESG will use RFC 3932 responses: 1) The IESG has not found any conflict between this document and IETF work; 2) The IESG thinks that this work is related to IETF work done in WG , but this does not prevent publishing; 3) The IESG thinks that publication is harmful to work in WG and recommends not publishing at this time; 4) The IESG thinks that this document violates the IETF procedures for and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval; 5) The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval. 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Yakov reported on the base BGP specifications (base document, MIB, protocol analysis, security vulnerabilities, experience and Implementations) were still at the RFC editor (no change.) =20 At the IESG are: BGP Cease codes (new), graceful restart, Multi-protocol BGP, and route-reflection. Two specifications have two implementations (AS Confederation and 4 Byte AS), and are awaiting implementation reports. Danny McPherson will complete the AS Confederation report by the end of August, and Geoff Houston agreed to take on the 4-Byte AS. The bgp Multi-session draft was updated, and Chandra Appanna presented the changes to the WG. The BGP v2 MIB will be updated and another co-author to speed up the process. No status changes was given for: Cooperative Route Filtering Capability for BGP-4, AS-path Based Outbound Route Filter for=20 BGP-4.=20 Tony Li presented an AS Count Attribute and requested that it become a working group document. Additional discussion will occur on the mailing list. 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Rather than informing people, it seems more likely to re-ignite the IGP wars. Statements like:- "- On broadcast links flooding is not done reliably. A changed LSP is flooded to all IS-IS routers, however no retransmissions occur. The reliability in database exchange on a broadcast link is achieved by periodic database exchange. This is done as CSNP's are sent periodically by the DIS, which initiates the entire database exchange process all over again." while technically not wrong, are somewhat inflammatory and give the impression that this is a bad thing, whereas some of us might think it is a good thing, since it avoids unnecessary acknowledgements. People can, and have argued about such things for ever, but it does little good. You don't choose an IGP on the basis of such technical minutiae. If you want to know the technical differences between the protocols, go read one of the many books. The IETF doesn't need to add to the existing wealth of information. If you want to choose an IGP, you probably do it on the basis of what your ops people are most comfortable with anyway. My biggest concern is that if this is going to be blessed as an IETF document, then we need to expend considerable effort making sure that statements such as the one above are accurate and unbiased. I don't think any of us have the energy or inclination to do that, and I don't think the IETF should be wasting its time on this. The consensus of the RTG area meeting seemed to be "to what question is this document the answer?". I don't think we have seen a satisfactory explanation. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alex, I attened the newtrk meeting in Paris and left if more confused than I was when I got there. There were talk about "grouping documents", but it was not clear what the grouping conditions are and if one single rfc could be part of more than one grouping. And if so what would the impact be on one grouping if an rfc changes becasue of another? 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Is there a crash course where it is possible to get up to speed? /Loa Alex Zinin wrote: > Dear WG chair and directorate members- > > I would _really_ like to encourage you to participate in the discussion in > the NEWTRK WG. > > NEWTRK is currently discussing a proposal of a new series of documents > (ISDs and SRDs), that would supposedly fix a problem (note an "a") with > the IETF STD series. > > In my opinion, the WG is not solving the more important problems with the > STD track (3-stage process, WG snapshots, etc.), and is adding unnecessary > overhead. I have made my opinion known at the meeting today multiple > times. > > Community representation in the WG is rather limited, and participation > from the RTG folks and especially WG chairs would be extremely welcome. > > For info: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/newtrk-charter.html > > Thank you! > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 23 21:02:38 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7jf4-0006LP-5W; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:02:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7jf3-0006KX-D8 for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:02:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA23311; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7jfG-00042L-Vw; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:02:51 -0400 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=usmovnazinin.alcatel.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1E7jf2-000Fra-3q; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:02:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:02:24 -0700 From: Alex Zinin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1306293525.20050823180224@psg.com> To: rtg-chairs@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Volunteer to shepher Ethernet Jumbo Frames X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Zinin List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Chairs, Directorate members- We need someone who'd be willing to run with the Eth Jumbo Frames project. In summary: - We would document for INFOrmational purposes what people do, what to watch for, what NOT to do, etc. - We would document what needs to be done for IS-IS to work - Talked to IEEE, they're fine, will provide experts and review - Need to form a design team, get the right people from RTG and INT area - Need to write a charter for the DT and get back to us - Need to have a meeting Vancouver - The person would be the DT lead, i.e. AD's interface to the DT More over the phone. -- Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin From rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 24 01:23:42 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7nji-0001Dr-MJ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:23:42 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7njh-0001Dm-UV for rtg-dir@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:23:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA01562; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62] ident=mailnull) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7njw-0001zS-Vv; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:23:58 -0400 Received: from [147.28.0.62] (helo=usmovnazinin.alcatel.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1E7njf-0007nF-NT; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:23:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:23:27 -0700 From: Alex Zinin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1543171022.20050823222327@psg.com> To: rtg-chairs@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <1306293525.20050823180224@psg.com> References: <1306293525.20050823180224@psg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Volunteer to shepher Ethernet Jumbo Frames X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Zinin List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sue offered her help and we are gladly accepting it. Thanks, Sue! -- Alex http://www.psg.com/~zinin Tuesday, August 23, 2005, 6:02:24 PM, Alex Zinin wrote: > Chairs, Directorate members- > We need someone who'd be willing to run with the Eth Jumbo Frames project. > In summary: > - We would document for INFOrmational purposes what people do, what to > watch for, what NOT to do, etc. > - We would document what needs to be done for IS-IS to work > - Talked to IEEE, they're fine, will provide experts and review > - Need to form a design team, get the right people from RTG and INT area > - Need to write a charter for the DT and get back to us > - Need to have a meeting Vancouver > - The person would be the DT lead, i.e. AD's interface to the DT > More over the phone. 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<200508291100.j7TB0TDx078713@mango.attlabs.att.com> From: fenner@research.att.com (Bill Fenner) To: rtg-dir@ietf.org (Routing Area Directorate) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f8ee348dcc4be4a59bc395f7cd6343ad Subject: IESG agenda for 2005-09-01 telechat. X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org IESG Agenda Good approximation of what will be included in the Agenda of next Telechat (2005-09-01). Updated 2:26:55 EDT, August 29, 2005 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Roll Call 1.2 Bash the Agenda 1.3 Approval of the Minutes of the past telechat 1.4 List of Remaining Action Items from Last Telechat 1.5 Review of Projects 2. Protocol Actions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable basis on which to build the salient part of the Internet infrastructure? If not, what changes would make it so?" 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Item Area Date SEC Transport Layer Security (TLS) Extensions (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 10 draft-ietf-tls-rfc3546bis-01.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Russ Housley APP Three-Document ballot: [Open Web Ballot] - 2 of 10 Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) CATENATE Extension (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 10 draft-ietf-lemonade-catenate-05.txt Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP) - URLAUTH Extension (Proposed Standard) draft-ietf-lemonade-urlauth-07.txt Message Submission BURL Extension (Proposed Standard) draft-ietf-lemonade-burl-02.txt Token: Ted Hardie TSV RTP Payload Format for 3GPP Timed Text (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 10 draft-ietf-avt-rtp-3gpp-timed-text-15.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: PROTO shepherd: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Token: Allison Mankin APP Quota and Size Properties for DAV Collections (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 10 draft-ietf-webdav-quota-07.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Ted Hardie Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure SEC Authority Information Access CRL Extension (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 10 draft-ietf-pkix-crlaia-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: proto shepherd: tim.polk@nist.gov Token: Sam Hartman SEC SSH Transport Layer Encryption Modes (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 10 draft-ietf-secsh-newmodes-05.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: proto shepherd: sommerfeld@sun.com Token: Sam Hartman SEC Aug 8 Secure Shell (SSH) Session Channel Break Extension (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 10 draft-ietf-secsh-break-04.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Sam Hartman TSV The Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 10 draft-ietf-xcon-bfcp-05.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Last Call will end 9/2. The companion mmusic document got its Last Call ending 9/1 and this one slipped over to the next day. If IETF wide issues arise, it is possible to remove the document from the closely following IESG consideration. IETF Last Call review is encouraged! Token: Allison Mankin Session Description Protocol (SDP) Format for TSV Binary Floor Control Protocol (BFCP) Streams (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 10 draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bfcp-02.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: PROTO shepherd Colin Perkins csp@csperkins.org IETF Last Call for this document ends 9/1. If there IETF wide issues arise, it is possible to remove the document from the closely following IESG consideration. IETF Last Call review is encouraged! Token: Allison Mankin GSSAPI Authentication and Key Exchange for the SEC Secure Shell Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 10 of 10 draft-ietf-secsh-gsskeyex-10.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Proto Shepherd: sommerfeld@sun.com Token: Sam Hartman 2.1.2 Returning Item Area Date Certificate Extensions and Attributes SEC Supporting Authentication in Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) and Wireless Local Area Networks (WLAN) (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 draft-ietf-pkix-rfc3770bis-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: proto shepherd: tim.polk@nist.gov Back on the agenda to see where we are with Mark's discus. Token: Sam Hartman 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Item Area Date Improved Arcfour Modes for the Secure Shell SEC (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 2 draft-harris-ssh-arcfour-fixes-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Sam Hartman The AES-XCBC-PRF-128 Algorithm for the SEC Internet Key Exchange Protocol (IKE) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 2 draft-hoffman-rfc3664bis-04.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Russ Housley 2.2.2 Returning Item NONE 2.2.3 For Action Area Date GEN Standardization of Multilingualizing Domain Names(MLDN) (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 draft-ekrema-smldn-00.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: On the agenda to request IESG support for a DNP response to this document (see ballot write-up and technical reviews in the tracker comments section, as they become available). Token: Margaret Wasserman 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.1.1 New Item Area Date INT Extension to Sockets API for Mobile IPv6 (Informational) - 1 of 2 draft-ietf-mip6-mipext-advapi-04.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Margaret Wasserman INT Neighbor Discovery Proxies (ND Proxy) (Experimental) - 2 of 2 draft-ietf-ipv6-ndproxy-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Token: Margaret Wasserman 3.1.2 Returning Item NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.2.1 New Item Area Date A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Event TSV Package and Data Format for Various Settings in Support for the Push-to-talk Over Cellular (PoC) Service (Informational) - 1 of 1 draft-garcia-sipping-poc-isb-am-03.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Forwarded by SIPPING WG's Expert Reviewer, Gonzalo Camarillo, per RFC 3427 Sent for ietf-types review Aug 6 Token: Allison Mankin 3.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3.2.3 For Action Area Date APP A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Formal Namespace for the New Zealand Government (Informational) - 1 of 1 draft-hendrikx-wallis-urn-nzl-00.txt [Open Web Ballot] Note: Sent to URN-NID for review Token: Ted Hardie 3.3 Individual Submissions Via RFC Editor The IESG will use RFC 3932 responses: 1) The IESG has not found any conflict between this document and IETF work; 2) The IESG thinks that this work is related to IETF work done in WG , but this does not prevent publishing; 3) The IESG thinks that publication is harmful to work in WG and recommends not publishing at this time; 4) The IESG thinks that this document violates the IETF procedures for and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval; 5) The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval. Other matters may be recorded in comments to be passed on to the RFC Editor as community review of the document. 3.3.1 New Item NONE 3.3.2 Returning Item NONE 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review Area Date SEC Aug 26 Integrated Security Model for SNMP (isms) - 1 of 1 Token: Sam 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 5. IAB News We Can Use 6. Management Issues 7. 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Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:45:05 -0700 Received: from irp-view6.cisco.com ([171.70.65.143]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:45:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike McBride To: Alex Zinin In-Reply-To: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> Message-ID: References: <1092702281.20050809142631@psg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2005 19:45:04.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BD92C40:01C5AE64] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: WG summaries for Paris X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org > If you haven't done so yet, please send a brief summary of the WG meeting > in Paris (2-3 paras max). Please use "reply-all" when doing so. PIM WG: Alex is reviewing (has reviewed now) draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-11 and soon entering IETF last call. For draft-ietf-pim-bidir-07, Tom and I just need to answer publication request questionnaire and Bill will move along. draft-ietf-pim-anycast-rp-04 needs some modifications (now done) before IETF last call. Good progress on draft-ietf-pim-sm-bsr-05 and Stig gave a report. Should just take one more rev before submittal for WG LC. Lingard gave an update on draft-ietf-pim-mib-v2-03 which has miraculously generated interested recently. A few objects need to be added/removed and then it should be ready. Arjen gave a brief update on draft-ietf-pim-proxy. He'll change the title and resubmit an -00. We also reviewed the request from l3vpn for pim to provide a solution for reducing pim messaging particularly in the context of mvpn. We've asked l3vpn to provide more direction on scalability requirements. They are collecting responses to a Multicast VPN survey that they've distributed to gather info on scalability expectations. This will help the pimwg decide if there is further work we need to do in this area. Some feel that an extension (such as j/p ack) to pim is the answer, some feel pimv3 is the answer (using tcp for instance), and some feel there is no real problem to solve within pimwg. We previously created a design team for this and some solutions were provided, but we'll see if this is work we will adopt. mike