From nobody Mon Jan 5 04:07:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405571A6EE6; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 04:07:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GUARANTEED_100_PERCENT=2.699, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id soXkhlrd7UaN; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 04:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015791A6EE2; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 04:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 7D7052D8D2B14; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:07:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t05C79jG012343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:07:09 +0100 Received: from [135.244.200.206] (135.239.27.40) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:07:09 +0100 Message-ID: <54AA7E6C.6030409@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:07:08 +0100 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.40] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/UzWAZqj2IMsl_ZSwHPk1MgTIs00 Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, ospf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-09 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 12:07:23 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-09 Reviewer: Martin Vigoureux Review Date: 2015-01-05 IETF LC End Date: n/a Intended Status: Proposed Standard Summary: This Document is ready for publication. It has one or two typos. I have a couple of questions (see Minor Issues). Comments: This Document is well written and provides the necessary information and context for readers to understand what it specifies. Minor issues: As OSPFv3 Router implementing this specification must select a unique Is that a must or a MUST? I guess it is a must since it is said afterwards that the uniqueness is not 100% guaranteed, but I just wanted to make sure. Yet, since there is a possibility of a Router ID collision, couldn't the sentence be rephrased as follows to reflect the reality: An OSPFv3 Router implementing this specification must ideally select a unique Router ID. An OSPFv3 router implementing this specification MUST compare a received self-originated Auto-Configuration LSA's Router-Hardware Fingerprint TLV against its own router hardware fingerprint. If the fingerprints are not equal, there is a duplicate Router ID conflict and the OSPFv3 Router with the numerically smaller router hardware fingerprint MUST select a new Router ID as described in Section 7.3. I feel that these two sentences are not crystal clear. Forgive me if it is only due to me not being a native English reader. The second sentence implies that fingerprints between "a received self-originated" LSA and a router's own hw fingerprint can be different. In the first sentence, I read "self" as referring to the router which is the subject of that sentence, and I therefore fail to understand how an LSA originated by a router could arrive back to that router but with a different fingerprint. Also, the second sentence seems to imply that iff fingerprints are different then the Router IDs are the same. I know that we are in a section about Duplicate Router ID, but just as for Section 7.1 which clearly sets the conditions, it might be worth saying that if fingerprints are different and OSPFv3 Router IDs identical then there is a duplicate Router ID conflict. But again, this might not be needed if my reading of *self* is wrong. Nits: OSPFv3 SHOULD be auto-configured on for IPv6 on all interfaces Isn't "on" after "auto-configured" superfluous? s/As OSPFv3 Router implementing/An OSPFv3 Router implementing/ The document uses both "OSPFv3 Router" and "OSPFv3 router". It may be worth using only one way of writing it. 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TWFydGluLA0KPndpc2hpbmcgeW91IGFsbCB0aGUgYmVzdCBmb3IgMjAxNQ0KDQo= From nobody Tue Jan 6 06:12:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE791A6F32 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:12:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wfrmXdyVoL9j for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7850E1A6F21 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:12:40 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Russ White'" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: <006601d029ba$ceaf3870$6c0da950$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01D02990.E5DD4F20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdApuJgTJ/p4HFl8TGe/+t1bL4TZ/Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/R9gGK0kJu5--tL-bqrsN96S47hk Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: [RTG-DIR] draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-07 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:12:44 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D02990.E5DD4F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. Comments: Please supply an overview of the draft quality and readability. Include anything else that you think will be helpful toward understanding your review. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Nits: Not much, just some possible suggestions that might (or might not) make the draft more readable below. == 1. Introduction == Routers that form the internet routing infrastructure maintain state at various layers of detail and function. For example, a typical router maintains a Routing Information Base (RIB), and implements routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and BGP to exchange protocol state and other information about the state of the network with other routers. Russ's comments This is a bit of a quibble, but... While routing protocols do exchange "protocol state and other information about the state of the network," The primary point of routing protocols is to exchange reachability and topology information -- which seems to be included in the "other information" category here. Just seems strange to put the primary reason behind the protocols into the "other information" category. :-) replacement text: Routers that form the internet routing infrastructure maintain state at various layers of detail and function. For example, a typical router maintains a Routing Information Base (RIB), and implements routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and BGP to exchange reachability and topology information, protocol state, and and other information about the state of the network with other routers. == 5. Network Applications and I2RS Client In the simplest architecture, a network-oriented application has an I2RS client as a library or driver for communication with routing elements. It just feels a little odd to have one named interaction type, and two unnamed ones (?). I'm going to suggest ideas here, though it's not a crucial point either way, since these aren't referred to anyplace else. Perhaps the "direct access architecture." Replacement text: In the simplest architecture of direct access, a network-oriented application has an I2RS client as a library or driver for communication with routing elements. Reason: I agree regarding the imbalance, but felt the emphasis on the == In a third architecture, a routing element or network-oriented application that uses an I2RS Client to access services on a different routing element may also contain an I2RS agent to provide services to other network-oriented applications. However, where the needed information and data models for those services differs from that of a conventional routing element, those models are, at least Perhaps the "third party architecture," or some such. Issue: Third party - brings us into a lot of discussion about what is third party. Can you suggest something else here. Thank you, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D02990.E5DD4F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Summary: =

 

This document is basically ready for publication, but = has nits that should be considered prior to = publication.

 

Comments:

 

Please = supply an overview of the draft quality and = readability.

Include anything else = that you think will be helpful toward understanding your = review.

 

Major Issues:

 

No major = issues found.

 

Minor Issues:

 

No minor = issues found.

 

Nits:

 

Not much, = just some possible suggestions that might (or might not) make the draft = more readable below.

 

=3D=3D

 

1.  = Introduction

 

=3D=3D

   = Routers that form the internet routing infrastructure maintain = state

   at various layers = of detail and function.  For example, a typical

   router maintains a Routing Information = Base (RIB), and implements

   routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and = BGP to exchange protocol

   = state and other information about the state of the network with = other

  =  routers.

 

Russ’s = comments

 

   This is a bit of a quibble, but... While = routing protocols do exchange "protocol

   state and other information about = the state of the network," The primary point of routing =

   protocols is to = exchange reachability and topology information -- which seems to be = included

   in the = "other information" category here. Just seems strange to put = the primary reason behind

   the protocols into the "other = information" category. :-)

 

replacement = text:

   Routers that = form the internet routing infrastructure maintain state

   at various layers of detail and = function.  For example, a typical

   router maintains a Routing Information = Base (RIB), and implements

   routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and = BGP to exchange

  reachability = and topology information, protocol state, and

   and other information about the = state of the network with other

   routers.

 

 

=3D=3D

   =

5.  Network Applications and = I2RS Client

 

   In the simplest architecture, a = network-oriented application has an

   I2RS client as a library or driver for = communication with routing

   elements.

  

   It just feels a little odd to have = one named interaction type, and two unnamed

   ones (?). I'm going to suggest ideas = here, though it's not a crucial point either way,

   since these aren't referred to anyplace = else.

 

   Perhaps the "direct access = architecture."

 

Replacement = text:

   In the = simplest  architecture of direct access, a network-oriented = application has an

  I2RS = client as a library or driver for communication with = routing

   = elements.

 

Reason:  I agree regarding the imbalance, but = felt the emphasis on the

 

=3D=3D

   =

   In a third = architecture, a routing element or network-oriented

   application that uses an I2RS Client to = access services on a

   = different routing element may also contain an I2RS agent to = provide

   services to = other network-oriented applications.  However, where = the

   needed information = and data models for those services differs from

   that of a conventional routing element, = those models are, at least

  

   Perhaps the "third party = architecture," or some such.

 

Issue: =

Third party – brings us into a = lot of discussion about what is third party. 

 

Can you = suggest something else here.

 

Thank you, =

 

Sue Hares

 

------=_NextPart_000_0067_01D02990.E5DD4F20-- From nobody Tue Jan 6 06:20:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27DB1A6F3F; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:20:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GUARANTEED_100_PERCENT=2.699, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f88vmUOKggXd; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C3671A6F2B; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id E21647FAAB48D; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t06EK506032030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jan 2015 15:20:20 +0100 Received: from [172.31.149.98] (135.239.27.39) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 15:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: <54ABEF1D.8020501@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 15:20:13 +0100 From: Martin Vigoureux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" References: <54AA7E6C.6030409@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.39] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/z4enuzLdxIgFqfEnKK8C6dxzEhs Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig.all@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-09 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:20:27 -0000 Hi Acee I am fine with the text you propose. Many thanks -m Le 05/01/2015 18:32, Acee Lindem (acee) a écrit : > Hi Martin, > > On 1/5/15, 7:07 AM, "Martin Vigoureux" > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. >> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related >> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and >> sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide >> assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing >> Directorate, please see ​ >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir >> >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it >> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF >> Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through >> discussion or by updating the draft. >> >> Document: draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig-09 >> Reviewer: Martin Vigoureux >> Review Date: 2015-01-05 >> IETF LC End Date: n/a >> Intended Status: Proposed Standard >> >> Summary: >> This Document is ready for publication. It has one or two typos. >> I have a couple of questions (see Minor Issues). >> >> Comments: >> This Document is well written and provides the necessary information and >> context for readers to understand what it specifies. >> >> Minor issues: >> As OSPFv3 Router implementing this specification must select a unique >> >> Is that a must or a MUST? I guess it is a must since it is said >> afterwards that the uniqueness is not 100% guaranteed, but I just wanted >> to make sure. >> Yet, since there is a possibility of a Router ID collision, couldn't the >> sentence be rephrased as follows to reflect the reality: >> An OSPFv3 Router implementing this specification must ideally select >> a unique Router ID. > > Ultimately, an OSPFv3 router MUST have a unique OSPFv3 Router-ID (although > this may require multiple attempts at selection). How about this? > > An OSPFv3 router requires a unique Router-ID for correct protocol > operation. An OSPFv3 router implementing this specification will select an > initial Router-ID with a high probability of uniqueness. …. > > > > > >> >> >> An OSPFv3 router implementing this specification MUST compare a >> received self-originated Auto-Configuration LSA's Router-Hardware >> Fingerprint TLV against its own router hardware fingerprint. If the >> fingerprints are not equal, there is a duplicate Router ID conflict >> and the OSPFv3 Router with the numerically smaller router hardware >> fingerprint MUST select a new Router ID as described in Section 7.3. >> >> I feel that these two sentences are not crystal clear. Forgive me if it >> is only due to me not being a native English reader. >> The second sentence implies that fingerprints between "a received >> self-originated" LSA and a router's own hw fingerprint can be different. >> In the first sentence, I read "self" as referring to the router which is >> the subject of that sentence, and I therefore fail to understand how an >> LSA originated by a router could arrive back to that router but with a >> different fingerprint. >> Also, the second sentence seems to imply that iff fingerprints are >> different then the Router IDs are the same. I know that we are in a >> section about Duplicate Router ID, but just as for Section 7.1 which >> clearly sets the conditions, it might be worth saying that if >> fingerprints are different and OSPFv3 Router IDs identical then there is >> a duplicate Router ID conflict. But again, this might not be needed if >> my reading of *self* is wrong. > > I agree that this is not clear since it relies on one deducing that an LSA > is perceived as self-originated if it has the same Router ID. How about > this: > > An OSPFv3 router implementing this specification MUST detect received > Auto-Configuration LSAs with its Router ID specified in the LSA header. > LSAs received with the local OSPFv3 Router's Router ID in the LSA header > are perceived as self-originated (see section 4.6 of [OSPFV3]). In these > received Auto-Configuration LSAs, the Router-Hardware-Fingerprint TLV is > compared against the OSPFv3 Router's own router hardware fingerprint. If > the fingerprints are not equal, there is a duplicate Router ID conflict > and the OSPFv3 router with the numerically smaller router hardware > fingerprint MUST select a new Router ID as described in Section 7.3. > > > > > >> >> >> Nits: >> OSPFv3 SHOULD be auto-configured on for IPv6 on all interfaces >> Isn't "on" after "auto-configured" superfluous? > > Fixed. > >> >> s/As OSPFv3 Router implementing/An OSPFv3 Router implementing/ > > Fixed. > >> >> The document uses both "OSPFv3 Router" and "OSPFv3 router". >> It may be worth using only one way of writing it. > > These should be "OSPFv3 router” > > Thanks, > Acee > >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Martin, >> wishing you all the best for 2015 > From nobody Tue Jan 6 06:21:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676771A6F3F for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:20:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q6OHQMeWl8t4 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084F01A7003 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 06:20:46 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Russ White'" References: <006601d029ba$ceaf3870$6c0da950$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <006601d029ba$ceaf3870$6c0da950$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01d029bb$edd2e930$c978bb90$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01D02992.050126F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHUxO+fxl52mZ2yS9eJi9c2y0+3i5yp7CXg Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/WBV1lc4ExrfJ_jiDxWiKbkf-55g Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-07 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:20:53 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01D02992.050126F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russ: I'm sorry - I hit the send key too soon. (smile) Thank you for the careful review. I have suggest replacement text below for each of the minor changes. However, I'm stuck on the third comment. If you have any other suggestions on what would be appropriate - please suggest text. Sue Hares From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:12 AM To: 'Russ White' Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: [RTG-DIR] draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-07 Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. Comments: Please supply an overview of the draft quality and readability. Include anything else that you think will be helpful toward understanding your review. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Nits: Not much, just some possible suggestions that might (or might not) make the draft more readable below. == 1. Introduction == Routers that form the internet routing infrastructure maintain state at various layers of detail and function. For example, a typical router maintains a Routing Information Base (RIB), and implements routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and BGP to exchange protocol state and other information about the state of the network with other routers. Russ's comments This is a bit of a quibble, but... While routing protocols do exchange "protocol state and other information about the state of the network," The primary point of routing protocols is to exchange reachability and topology information -- which seems to be included in the "other information" category here. Just seems strange to put the primary reason behind the protocols into the "other information" category. :-) Sue's replacement text: Routers that form the internet routing infrastructure maintain state at various layers of detail and function. For example, a typical router maintains a Routing Information Base (RIB), and implements routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and BGP to exchange reachability and topology information, protocol state, and and other information about the state of the network with other routers. == 5. Network Applications and I2RS Client In the simplest architecture, a network-oriented application has an I2RS client as a library or driver for communication with routing elements. It just feels a little odd to have one named interaction type, and two unnamed ones (?). I'm going to suggest ideas here, though it's not a crucial point either way, since these aren't referred to anyplace else. Perhaps the "direct access architecture." Replacement text: In the simplest architecture of direct access, a network-oriented application has an I2RS client as a library or driver for communication with routing elements. Reason: I agree regarding the imbalance, but felt the emphasis on the == In a third architecture, a routing element or network-oriented application that uses an I2RS Client to access services on a different routing element may also contain an I2RS agent to provide services to other network-oriented applications. However, where the needed information and data models for those services differs from that of a conventional routing element, those models are, at least Perhaps the "third party architecture," or some such. Issue: Third party - brings us into a lot of discussion about what is third party. Can you suggest something else here. Thank you, Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01D02992.050126F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Russ:

 

I’m sorry = –  I hit the send key too soon.  (smile) Thank you for = the careful review.   I have suggest replacement text below = for each of the minor changes.  However,  I’m stuck on = the third comment.  If you have any other suggestions on what would = be appropriate – please suggest text.

 

 

Sue Hares =

 

From:= = rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan = Hares
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:12 AM
To: = 'Russ White'
Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org
Subject: [RTG-DIR] = draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-07

 

 

Summary: =

 

This document is basically ready for publication, but = has nits that should be considered prior to = publication.

 

Comments:

 

Please = supply an overview of the draft quality and = readability.

Include anything else = that you think will be helpful toward understanding your = review.

 

Major Issues:

 

No major = issues found.

 

Minor Issues:

 

No minor = issues found.

 

Nits:

 

Not much, = just some possible suggestions that might (or might not) make the draft = more readable below.

 

=3D=3D

 

1.  = Introduction

 

=3D=3D

   = Routers that form the internet routing infrastructure maintain = state

   at various layers = of detail and function.  For example, a typical

   router maintains a Routing Information = Base (RIB), and implements

   routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and = BGP to exchange protocol

   = state and other information about the state of the network with = other

  =  routers.

 

Russ’s = comments

 

   This is a bit of a quibble, but... While = routing protocols do exchange "protocol

   state and other information about = the state of the network," The primary point of routing =

   protocols is to = exchange reachability and topology information -- which seems to be = included

   in the = "other information" category here. Just seems strange to put = the primary reason behind

   the protocols into the "other = information" category. :-)

 

Sue’s replacement text: =

   Routers that = form the internet routing infrastructure maintain state

   at various layers of detail and = function.  For example, a typical

   router maintains a Routing Information = Base (RIB), and implements

   routing protocols such as OSPF, ISIS, and = BGP to exchange

  reachability = and topology information, protocol state, and

   and other information about the = state of the network with other

   routers.

 

 

=3D=3D

   =

5.  Network Applications and = I2RS Client

 

   In the simplest architecture, a = network-oriented application has an

   I2RS client as a library or driver for = communication with routing

   elements.

  

   It just feels a little odd to have = one named interaction type, and two unnamed

   ones (?). I'm going to suggest ideas = here, though it's not a crucial point either way,

   since these aren't referred to anyplace = else.

 

   Perhaps the "direct access = architecture."

 

Replacement = text:

   In the = simplest  architecture of direct access, a network-oriented = application has an

  I2RS = client as a library or driver for communication with = routing

   = elements.

 

Reason:  I agree regarding the imbalance, but = felt the emphasis on the

 

=3D=3D

   =

   In a third = architecture, a routing element or network-oriented

   application that uses an I2RS Client to = access services on a

   = different routing element may also contain an I2RS agent to = provide

   services to = other network-oriented applications.  However, where = the

   needed information = and data models for those services differs from

   that of a conventional routing element, = those models are, at least

  

   Perhaps the "third party = architecture," or some such.

 

Issue: =

Third party – brings us into a = lot of discussion about what is third party. 

 

Can you = suggest something else here.

 

Thank you, =

 

Sue Hares

 

------=_NextPart_000_007B_01D02992.050126F0-- From nobody Tue Jan 6 14:28:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACBC1A0123; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U52aCmBm4Nj9; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yh0-x236.google.com (mail-yh0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9CB01A0103; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c41so93506yho.13; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1Yzen8g9zA0L1TBZY4LWWnqs61rXZ7szqKX00LsFHpY=; b=u2N4DY8gCDF73wMrACP5HCkrq82Fys9VicFgaEa9GrUJh0Xp+gSZq95KA14LWZDD/R i+/MUZCyZNg1cy7i89WBLdk0Yfp1EL2/J7MBdq0j3X8HsIMLW0GwFrApCsOvtKO7A/Jo ZcI/K4HHQkqg9hw54zysiZc571AzCIm0YoXKDAodOX5UbjKH31F7UaEGQa07AjCBlBMm zFqNgRtfME7rvKz1GKb4gCo0htl4D1NicK7K7m9QI8xs3+gbr3UiibOf5y0zSvTvzyrN exp7gs+gd/2luDtT0H1KCp1i4WcYCDhcQ8Qfe+6DGUuI4A/Cwy8ImoH23KjvjJEKperl f2LA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.27.75 with SMTP id d51mr4784761yha.60.1420583323182; Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.133.18 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:28:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF632C21B95@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> References: <09CE6C3BE5E1EA40B987BF5F25D8DDBAFDD37CBB@ENFICSMBX1.datcon.co.uk> <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF632C21B95@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 17:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Eric Gray Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160be8e5a2f40050c035450 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/Udgh95rnHWTN0vL3u9ufReEGRvE Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "i2rs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 22:28:47 -0000 --089e0160be8e5a2f40050c035450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, Thanks for your review. I really appreciate it. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Eric Gray wrote: > Hello, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes > on special request. > > The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. > > For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see: > > =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement > Reviewer: Eric Gray > Review Date: 12/16/2014 > Intended Status: Informational > > Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think > should be resolved before before publication. The document has nits > that should also be considered prior to publication. > > Minor Issues: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Section 5 title is "Desired Aspects of ..." but the first sentence talks > about > "required aspects ..." I believe that the authors should be consistent. Keeping required > The actual "key aspects needed" are a mixture or required and desired > behaviors. Because the draft does not refer to RFC 2119 terminology, > it is not clear if this is intended or a result of narrative style choice= s. > I'm not sure which ones you are reading as desired vs. required. The inten= t is that all are required; trade-offs do happen. > If the terminology is meant to be interpreted according to RFC 2119, > then this should be added as a reference. Otherwise, perhaps the title > of the section should be changed to: > > "Aspects to be Considered in Designing Protocol for I2RS" > Yes, slightly tweaked to "Aspects to be Considered for an I2RS Protocol" since I2RS is expecting to modify an existing protocol rather than design a new one. > In this section, in addition to "Secure Control" we may want to suggest > similar "Secure Access." Information about routing may be useful to an > attacker for other forms of attack than direct control. > True - just updated the bullet to be "Secure Control and Access". The content now reads: " Any ability to manipulate routing state must be subject to authentication and authorization. Sensitive routing information may also need to be provided via secure access back to the I2RS client. Such communications must be integrity protected. Some communications will also require confidentiality. " > Section 8 ("Security Considerations") - Minimally, this section should > point to security aspects mentioned in the preceding section. > Done and extended > Note that this section mentions "extraction of detailed router state" > which is one form of access that may both require that requests > are authenticated and that information may not be intercepted. > > NITS: > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > In the Introduction, second line of the first paragraph, "With scale ..." > should start a new paragraph to be consistent with the next paragraph. > eh, not worried about the consistency given it would leave the first paragraph with one sentence. In the appendix the first paragraph should probably end in much the > same way as the second paragraph, i.e. - > > "CLI Standardization is not considered as a candidate solution for the > I2RS." > > It is not clear what we are trying to say in saying "I2RS does not involv= e > CLI Standardization." > Sure - changed. Thanks again, Alia --089e0160be8e5a2f40050c035450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

Thanks for your review.=C2= =A0 I really appreciate it.

On Tue, Dec 1= 6, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com> = wrote:
Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request.

The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs.

For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/are= a/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement
Reviewer: Eric Gray
Review Date: 12/16/2014
Intended Status: Informational

Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think
should be resolved before before publication.=C2=A0 The document has nits that should also be considered prior to publication.

Minor Issues:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Section 5 title is "Desired Aspects of ..." but the first sentenc= e talks about
"required aspects ..."=C2=A0 I believe that the authors should be= consistent.

Keeping required=C2=A0
=C2=A0
The actual "key aspects needed" are a mixture or required and des= ired
behaviors.=C2=A0 Because the draft does not refer to RFC 2119 terminology,<= br> it is not clear if this is intended or a result of narrative style choices.=

I'm not sure which ones you are re= ading as desired vs. required.=C2=A0 The intent
is that all are r= equired; trade-offs do happen. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
If the terminology is meant to be interpreted according to RFC 2119,
then this should be added as a reference.=C2=A0 Otherwise, perhaps the titl= e
of the section should be changed to:

=C2=A0 "Aspects to be Considered in Designing Protocol for I2RS"<= br>

Yes, slightly tweaked to=C2=A0
"Aspects to be Considered for an I2RS Protocol"
since= I2RS is expecting to modify an existing protocol rather than design
<= div>a new one.

=C2=A0
In this section, in addition to "Secure Control" we may want to s= uggest
similar "Secure Access."=C2=A0 Information about routing may be u= seful to an
attacker for other forms of attack than direct control.

=C2=A0True - just updated the bullet to be "Secure Co= ntrol and Access".
The content now reads:
" =C2=A0 Any ability to manipulate routing state must be s= ubject to authentication and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 authorization.= =C2=A0 Sensitive routing information may also need to
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 be provided via secure access back to the I2RS client.=C2=A0 Suc= h
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 communications must be integrity protected= .=C2=A0 Some communications
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 will also requir= e confidentiality.
"
=C2=A0
Section 8 ("Security Considerations") - Minimally, this section s= hould
point to security aspects mentioned in the preceding section.

Done and extended=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Note that this section mentions "extraction of detailed router state&q= uot;
which is one form of access that may both require that requests
are authenticated and that information may not be intercepted.

NITS:
=3D=3D=3D=3D

In the Introduction, second line of the first paragraph, "With scale .= .."
should start a new paragraph to be consistent with the next paragraph.
<= /blockquote>

eh, not worried about the consistency given= it would leave the first paragraph
with one sentence.
=
In the appendix the first paragraph should proba= bly end in much the
same way as the second paragraph, i.e. -

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"CLI Standardization is not considered as a candidate sol= ution for the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I2RS."

It is not clear what we are trying to say in saying "I2RS does not inv= olve
CLI Standardization."

Sure - chang= ed.

Thanks again,
Alia=C2=A0
=
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Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-dir/TaTGop4odqtp6xcderCDdD0ax2w Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "i2rs@ietf.org" , Alia Atlas , "draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 21:14:08 -0000 --089e01229e7eb62400050c166623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, Ok. Done and posted as version -06. Thanks, Alia On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Eric Gray wrote: > Alia, > > > > I=E2=80=99m happy with not changing the text further in s= ection 5 > and I would > > appreciate it if you make the minor change to the introduction. > > > > So it looks like we have converged=E2=80=A6 > > > > -- > > Eric > > > > *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@juniper.net] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM > *To:* Eric Gray; Alia Atlas > *Cc:* rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement > *Importance:* High > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > Responses in-line below (but with agreements removed). > > I=E2=80=99ll push out the slightly modified version as soon as I hear bac= k from > you. > > > > Thanks again, > > Alia > > > > > > *From:* Eric Gray [mailto:eric.gray@ericsson.com = ] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:14 AM > *To:* Alia Atlas > *Cc:* rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement > > > > Alia, > > > > Hope everyone enjoyed the holidays. > > > > Responses in-line *below*=E2=80=A6 > > > > *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2015 5:29 PM > *To:* Eric Gray > *Cc:* rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of > draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement > *Importance:* High > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > Thanks for your review. I really appreciate it. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Eric Gray wrote= : > > Hello, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes > on special request. > > The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. > > For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see: > > =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement > Reviewer: Eric Gray > Review Date: 12/16/2014 > Intended Status: Informational > > Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think > should be resolved before before publication. The document has nits > that should also be considered prior to publication. > > Minor Issues: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Section 5 title is "Desired Aspects of ..." but the first sentence talks > about > "required aspects ..." I believe that the authors should be consistent. > > > > Keeping required > > > > The actual "key aspects needed" are a mixture or required and desired > behaviors. Because the draft does not refer to RFC 2119 terminology, > it is not clear if this is intended or a result of narrative style choice= s. > > > > I'm not sure which ones you are reading as desired vs. required. The > intent > > is that all are required; trade-offs do happen. > > > > *Changing the section title helps. The issues that remain are less > significant* > > *when considered as =E2=80=9Caspects to be considered.=E2=80=9D* > > > > *I wanted to avoid being pedantic, but one example (now more minor) is as= * > > *follows:* > > - *1st paragraph uses the phrase =E2=80=9Cdescribes required asp= ects=E2=80=9D* > > - *the 1st list item (multiple simultaneous asynchronous > operations),* > > *however, says that a single application should be able to =E2=80=A6* > > > > I am well used to pendatry ;-) > > > > *Without the reference to RFC 2119, =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D may be ambig= uously > interpreted* > > *according to standard English as something likely but not required.* > > > > *I think what was probably meant in this case is that protocol is require= d > to* > > *support applications that perform multiple concurrent operations (which > is* > > *something we believe applications should be able to do).* > > > > *The current text is not explicit about this as a protocol requirement, i= f > that is * > > *what is intended, instead making the protocol requirement implicit based > on * > > *the way that we believe applications would likely use it.* > > > > *There are similar issues with =E2=80=9CHigh Throughput=E2=80=9D, =E2=80= =9CLow Latency=E2=80=9D and > =E2=80=9CMulti-* > > *Channel.=E2=80=9D* > > > > *One advantage of referring to RFC 2119 is it makes =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80= =9D less > ambiguous,* > > *and defines this term (and other terms) as =E2=80=9Crequirement levels.= =E2=80=9D* > > > > *But I am okay with leaving this as is, because of the heading change. > Most* > > *people will be able to figure out what is meant, eventually. **J* > > > > I think so also. This is describing what the solution should look like = =E2=80=93 > not giving the > > detailed protocol requirements. > > > > > > Note that this section mentions "extraction of detailed router state" > which is one form of access that may both require that requests > are authenticated and that information may not be intercepted. > > NITS: > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > In the Introduction, second line of the first paragraph, "With scale ..." > should start a new paragraph to be consistent with the next paragraph. > > > > eh, not worried about the consistency given it would leave the first > paragraph > > with one sentence. > > > > *Single-sentence paragraphs are quite common.* > > > > *See, for instance the earlier paragraph in the latest draft that reads > =E2=80=9CThis draft * > > *will expire on July 10, 2015.=E2=80=9D* > > > > *Again, I was trying to avoid pedanticism. Sigh.* > > > > *More important in either prose or specification is that a paragraph > represents a* > > *single block/concept in whatever it is you are trying to construct.* > > > > *Even in prose, if you have an opening sentence that introduces two thing= s > you* > > *want to talk about, then either both of them or neither of them should b= e > in* > > *the same paragraph. For prose, this is mostly about flow.* > > > > *In specification, it is slightly more important. A reader who is > skimming the * > > *introductory text before plowing into the salient parts of the > specification is* > > *likely to actually miss the point you=E2=80=99re making about scale beca= use it=E2=80=99s > buried* > > *in the paragraph that introduces issues with both scale and complexity.* > > > > *If scale were important, it probably would be in a separate paragraph.* > > > > *Of course, you could (in prose anyway) do this deliberately as a way to > place* > > *greater emphasis on the second point, sort of along the following lines:= * > > > > *=E2=80=9CThere are two major kinds of ideas that we can expect to encoun= ter in > our* > > *discussions: good ideas and bad ideas. Bad ideas are obviously somethin= g* > > *we want to quickly dispense with.* > > > > *=E2=80=9CGood ideas, on the other hand, should be =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D* > > > > *In my opinion, use of this sort of literary device in a specification > would be just* > > *a bit inappropriate. If the text is not worth emphasis, leave it out.* > > > > I do think it is worth the emphasis and agree that there is almost > parallelism in > > the text deliberately. I just didn=E2=80=99t feel it was necessary, bu= t if you > feel strongly > > enough to write many paragraphs about it, I=E2=80=99ll change it. > > > --089e01229e7eb62400050c166623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric,

Ok.=C2=A0 Done and posted as vers= ion -06.

Thanks,
Alia

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4= :09 PM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com> wrote:

Alia,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80= =99m happy with not changing the text further in section 5 and I would

appreciate it if you make= the minor change to the introduction.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So it lo= oks like we have converged=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

--

Eric=

=C2=A0

From: Alia Atl= as [mailto:akatlas= @juniper.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:55 PM
To: Eric Gray; Alia Atlas
Cc: rtg-= ads@tools.ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools= .ietf.org; i2rs@ietf= .org
Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-i2rs= -problem-statement
Importance: High

=C2=A0

Hi Eric,=

=C2=A0

Responses in-line below (but = with agreements removed).

I=E2=80=99ll push out the sli= ghtly modified version as soon as I hear back from you.

=C2=A0

Thanks again,

Alia

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Eric G= ray [mailto:eri= c.gray@ericsson.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:14 AM
To: Alia Atlas
Cc: rtg-= ads@tools.ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-i2rs= -problem-statement

=C2=A0

Alia,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hope eve= ryone enjoyed the holidays.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Response= s in-line below=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

From: Alia Atl= as [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 5:29 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; rt= g-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement@tools.ietf.= org; i2rs@= ietf.org
Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Routing directorate review of draft-ietf-i2rs= -problem-statement
Importance: High

=C2=A0

Hi Eric,

=C2=A0

Thanks for your revie= w.=C2=A0 I really appreciate it.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.c= om> wrote:

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request.

The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs.

For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/are= a/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement
Reviewer: Eric Gray
Review Date: 12/16/2014
Intended Status: Informational

Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think
should be resolved before before publication.=C2=A0 The document has nits that should also be considered prior to publication.

Minor Issues:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Section 5 title is "Desired Aspects of ..." but the first sentenc= e talks about
"required aspects ..."=C2=A0 I believe that the authors should be= consistent.

=C2=A0

Keeping required=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The actual "key aspects needed" are a mixt= ure or required and desired
behaviors.=C2=A0 Because the draft does not refer to RFC 2119 terminology,<= br> it is not clear if this is intended or a result of narrative style choices.=

=C2=A0

I'm not sure which ones you are reading as desir= ed vs. required.=C2=A0 The intent

is that all are required; trade-offs do happen. =C2= =A0

=C2=A0

Changing the sectio= n title helps.=C2=A0 The issues that remain are less significant<= /u>

when considered as = =E2=80=9Caspects to be considered.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

I wanted to avoid b= eing pedantic, but one example (now more minor) is as<= /i>

follows:<= /u>

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1st paragraph uses the p= hrase =E2=80=9Cdescribes required aspects=E2=80=9D

-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the 1st list item (multi= ple simultaneous asynchronous operations),

however, says that a single application should be able to =E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

I am well used to pendatry ;-= )

=C2=A0

Without the referen= ce to RFC 2119, =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D may be ambiguously interpreted<= /u>

according to standa= rd English as something likely but not required.

=C2=A0

I think what was pr= obably meant in this case is that protocol is required to

support application= s that perform multiple concurrent operations (which is

something we believ= e applications should be able to do).

=C2=A0

The current text is= not explicit about this as a protocol requirement, if that is

what is intended, i= nstead making the protocol requirement implicit based on

the way that we bel= ieve applications would likely use it.

=C2=A0

There are similar i= ssues with =E2=80=9CHigh Throughput=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9CLow Latency=E2=80=9D= and =E2=80=9CMulti-

Channel.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

One advantage of re= ferring to RFC 2119 is it makes =E2=80=9Cshould=E2=80=9D less ambiguous,=

and defines this te= rm (and other terms) as =E2=80=9Crequirement levels.=E2=80=9D=

=C2=A0

But I am okay with = leaving this as is, because of the heading change.=C2=A0 Most=

people will be able= to figure out what is meant, eventually.=C2=A0 J<= /u>

=C2=A0

I think so also.=C2=A0=C2=A0 = This is describing what the solution should look like =E2=80=93 not giving = the

detailed protocol requirement= s.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Note that this section mentions "extraction of = detailed router state"
which is one form of access that may both require that requests
are authenticated and that information may not be intercepted.

NITS:
=3D=3D=3D=3D

In the Introduction, second line of the first paragraph, "With scale .= .."
should start a new paragraph to be consistent with the next paragraph.

=C2=A0

eh, not worried about the consistency given it would= leave the first paragraph

with one sentence.

=C2=A0

Single-sentence par= agraphs are quite common.

=C2=A0

See, for instance t= he earlier paragraph in the latest draft that reads =E2=80=9CThis draft

will expire on July= 10, 2015.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

Again, I was trying= to avoid pedanticism.=C2=A0 Sigh.

=C2=A0

More important in e= ither prose or specification is that a paragraph represents a=

single block/concep= t in whatever it is you are trying to construct.

=C2=A0

Even in prose, if y= ou have an opening sentence that introduces two things you

want to talk about,= then either both of them or neither of them should be in

the same paragraph.= =C2=A0 For prose, this is mostly about flow.

=C2=A0

In specification, i= t is slightly more important.=C2=A0 A reader who is skimming the

introductory text b= efore plowing into the salient parts of the specification is<= /span>

likely to actually = miss the point you=E2=80=99re making about scale because it=E2=80=99s burie= d

in the paragraph th= at introduces issues with both scale and complexity.

=C2=A0

If scale were =C2= =A0important, it probably would be in a separate paragraph.

=C2=A0

Of course, you coul= d (in prose anyway) do this deliberately as a way to place

greater emphasis on= the second point, sort of along the following lines:<= /i>

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CThere are = two major kinds of ideas that we can expect to encounter in our

discussions: good i= deas and bad ideas.=C2=A0 Bad ideas are obviously something

we want to quickly = dispense with.

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CGood ideas= , on the other hand, should be =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D<= /b>

=C2=A0

In my opinion, use = of this sort of literary device in a specification would be just<= /u>

a bit inappropriate= .=C2=A0 If the text is not worth emphasis, leave it out.

=C2=A0

I do think it is worth the em= phasis and agree that there is almost parallelism in

the text deliberately.=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 I just didn=E2=80=99t feel it was necessary, but if you feel s= trongly

enough to write many paragrap= hs about it, I=E2=80=99ll change it.

=C2=A0


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Thu, 15 Jan 2015 00:26:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.116.76] (10.197.38.2) by PEXCVZYH01.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.1.186) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.224.2; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 00:26:57 +0100 Message-ID: <26590_1421278018_54B6FB42_26590_15593_1_54B6FB3E.7090907@orange.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 00:26:54 +0100 From: Organization: Orange User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [10.197.38.2] X-PMX-Version: 6.0.3.2322014, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2014.12.23.1824 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 23:27:04 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the (2nd) Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-14.txt Reviewer: Julien Meuric Review Date: January 14, 2015 IETF LC End Date: January 9, 2015 Intended Status: Informational Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. Comments: This document is clearly written and easy to understand. I had not realized, though, that the "cookbook" mentioned in the abstract had become an actual book along the updates. Anyway, the various use cases are helpful to extract some simple pieces from the general architecture. Nits: --- Page 1 - s/a operational/an operational/ --- Page 4 - s/GMPLS and MPLS/GMPLS-controlled and MPLS/ - The paragraph about remote control may deserve the inclusion of PCEP. - The paragraph about provisioning, grooming, scheduling... may as well deserve the explicit inclusion of PCEP (RFC 5557 being implicit reference) to be consistent with other list items. --- Page 7 - s/processing on a different/processing a different/ --- Page 8 - s/2.3.1 2.3.2/2.3.1 and 2.3.2/ --- Page 9 - The sentence "software tool with which the user makes requests of the networks to set up specific services" is difficult to parse and may need an update. --- Page 10 - s/gathering state/gathering states/ --- Page 11 - The expansion of "LSP" is happening there while it is not the first use of the acronym, it would be enough to do it only at first occurrence. --- Page 12 - s/information stores for use/information stored for use/ [or s/contain information stores for use/are informations stores for use/] - s/should handled/should be handled/ --- Page 13 - s/paths can't/paths cannot/ - s/links and node failure/link and node failure/ --- Page 14 - s/packet switched network/packet-switched network/ --- Page 16 - s/programmed direct/programmed directly/ - GSMP is mentioned in section 2.3.2.6, is there a reason why it is not included in the list of 2.3.2.1? --- Page 19 - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ --- Page 20 - s/combination or NETCONF/combination of NETCONF/ --- Page 21 - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ --- Page 22 - s/requests direct/requests directly/ - s/architecture and to determine/architecture, so as to determine/ [too many "ands"] --- Page 23 - s/with the networks/with the network/ --- Page 24 - s/used set up/used to set up/ --- Page 26 - s/(LSR) and it signals/(LSR), which signals/ --- Page 27 - s/to the network direct/to the network directly/ --- Page 28 - Not sure the sentence about philosophers brings useful information (possibly because I feel like philosopher). --- Page 30 - The parenthesis "(they have optical line cards)" should be dropped: no reason to introduce a particular case in that context. --- Page 32 - s/GMPLS [RFC3473]/GMPLS RSVP-TE [RFC3473]/ - s/provisioned direct/provisioned directly/ - s/Interface to the Routing System/I2RS/ [used several times before] --- Page 33 - s/operator and provider dependent/operator- and provider-dependent/ - s/packet switch cabale/packet switch capable/ - s/environments. Each DC site/environments: each DC site/ [or deeper rephrasing] - s/GMPLS based/GMPLS-based/ --- Page 34 - The term "Cross-Stratum" is defined in section 3.7: it would be better to avoid its use before, especially only in a section header. --- Page 35 - s/Application later/Application layer/ - s/t compute/to compute/ - s/end to end/end-to-end/ --- Page 36 - s/or discovery/or by discovery/ - s/without disruption/with minimized disruption/ --- Page 37 - s/is service-interrupting, but that arises/addresses a service-interrupting situation, which arises/ --- Page 40 - The "Endif" in the trigger loop should be removed. - s/traffic engineered paths/traffic-engineered paths/ --- Page 43 - The phrase "as shown in Figure 20" is not in the right place: it should be moved from 2c. to 3. - s/based on classification/relying on classification/ [to avoid "based" twice in the sentence] - After traffic volume, I would add something like "optical modulation format and associated reach" to strengthen that the problem is more complex than bandwidth allocation. - Associating the terms "adaptive and elastic" to a circuit-switched technology with a highly constrained container hierarchy reads odd... (to a philosopher like me) --- Page 47 - s/LSPs each only span/LSPs only span/ --- Page 49 - s/path of the only one of/path of only one of/ - s/described in Section 3.6.3/as enabled by Section 3.6.3/ [protection is a use-case of path-diversity, not a synonymous] --- Page 51 - s/Data center based/Data center-based/ - s/ QoS related/QoS-related/ --- Page 53 - s/makes a request an application request/makes an application request/ - s/network loading/network load/ [twice] - s/data center based/data center-based/ - s/the services it wants/the desired services/ - s/it wishes to use/they wish to use/ --- Page 58 - s/Controller Setup/Controller Sets up/ --- Page 66 - s/The detials/The details/ - s/to satisfy I2RS./to satisfy I2RS will address the requirement./ [not a full sentence] --- Page 67-68 (if considered useful before removal by the editor) - s/seciton/section/ - s/GMPLS protocol/GMPLS protocols/ - s/tests made in TID has/tests made in TID have/ - s/BPG-LS/BGP-LS/ --- In various figures, the TED seems to be missing, e.g., 16, 17, 21 (+ LSP-DB). 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-0000 --089e0122a476548db4050ca5e36c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Julien, Thanks very much for the thorough review; it's particularly useful with an AD-sponsored draft. Authors, could you take a look through the nits and update the draft appropriately. Regards, Alia On Jan 14, 2015 3:27 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > I have been selected as the (2nd) Routing Directorate reviewer for this > draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG revie= w, > and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B http://trac.tools.ietf.org/ > area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Las= t > Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-14.txt > Reviewer: Julien Meuric > Review Date: January 14, 2015 > IETF LC End Date: January 9, 2015 > Intended Status: Informational > > > Summary: > This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that shoul= d > be considered prior to publication. > > Comments: > This document is clearly written and easy to understand. I had not > realized, though, that the "cookbook" mentioned in the abstract had becom= e > an actual book along the updates. Anyway, the various use cases are helpf= ul > to extract some simple pieces from the general architecture. > > Nits: > --- > Page 1 > - s/a operational/an operational/ > --- > Page 4 > - s/GMPLS and MPLS/GMPLS-controlled and MPLS/ > - The paragraph about remote control may deserve the inclusion of PCEP. > - The paragraph about provisioning, grooming, scheduling... may as well > deserve the explicit inclusion of PCEP (RFC 5557 being implicit reference= ) > to be consistent with other list items. > --- > Page 7 > - s/processing on a different/processing a different/ > --- > Page 8 > - s/2.3.1 2.3.2/2.3.1 and 2.3.2/ > --- > Page 9 > - The sentence "software tool with which the user makes requests of the > networks to set up specific services" is difficult to parse and may need = an > update. > --- > Page 10 > - s/gathering state/gathering states/ > --- > Page 11 > - The expansion of "LSP" is happening there while it is not the first use > of the acronym, it would be enough to do it only at first occurrence. > --- > Page 12 > - s/information stores for use/information stored for use/ [or s/contain > information stores for use/are informations stores for use/] > - s/should handled/should be handled/ > --- > Page 13 > - s/paths can't/paths cannot/ > - s/links and node failure/link and node failure/ > --- > Page 14 > - s/packet switched network/packet-switched network/ > --- > Page 16 > - s/programmed direct/programmed directly/ > - GSMP is mentioned in section 2.3.2.6, is there a reason why it is not > included in the list of 2.3.2.1? > --- > Page 19 > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ > --- > Page 20 > - s/combination or NETCONF/combination of NETCONF/ > --- > Page 21 > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ > --- > Page 22 > - s/requests direct/requests directly/ > - s/architecture and to determine/architecture, so as to determine/ [too > many "ands"] > --- > Page 23 > - s/with the networks/with the network/ > --- > Page 24 > - s/used set up/used to set up/ > --- > Page 26 > - s/(LSR) and it signals/(LSR), which signals/ > --- > Page 27 > - s/to the network direct/to the network directly/ > --- > Page 28 > - Not sure the sentence about philosophers brings useful information > (possibly because I feel like philosopher). > --- > Page 30 > - The parenthesis "(they have optical line cards)" should be dropped: no > reason to introduce a particular case in that context. > --- > Page 32 > - s/GMPLS [RFC3473]/GMPLS RSVP-TE [RFC3473]/ > - s/provisioned direct/provisioned directly/ > - s/Interface to the Routing System/I2RS/ [used several times before] > --- > Page 33 > - s/operator and provider dependent/operator- and provider-dependent/ > - s/packet switch cabale/packet switch capable/ > - s/environments. Each DC site/environments: each DC site/ [or deeper > rephrasing] > - s/GMPLS based/GMPLS-based/ > --- > Page 34 > - The term "Cross-Stratum" is defined in section 3.7: it would be better > to avoid its use before, especially only in a section header. > --- > Page 35 > - s/Application later/Application layer/ > - s/t compute/to compute/ > - s/end to end/end-to-end/ > --- > Page 36 > - s/or discovery/or by discovery/ > - s/without disruption/with minimized disruption/ > --- > Page 37 > - s/is service-interrupting, but that arises/addresses a > service-interrupting situation, which arises/ > --- > Page 40 > - The "Endif" in the trigger loop should be removed. > - s/traffic engineered paths/traffic-engineered paths/ > --- > Page 43 > - The phrase "as shown in Figure 20" is not in the right place: it should > be moved from 2c. to 3. > - s/based on classification/relying on classification/ [to avoid "based" > twice in the sentence] > - After traffic volume, I would add something like "optical modulation > format and associated reach" to strengthen that the problem is more compl= ex > than bandwidth allocation. > - Associating the terms "adaptive and elastic" to a circuit-switched > technology with a highly constrained container hierarchy reads odd... (to= a > philosopher like me) > --- > Page 47 > - s/LSPs each only span/LSPs only span/ > --- > Page 49 > - s/path of the only one of/path of only one of/ > - s/described in Section 3.6.3/as enabled by Section 3.6.3/ [protection i= s > a use-case of path-diversity, not a synonymous] > --- > Page 51 > - s/Data center based/Data center-based/ > - s/ QoS related/QoS-related/ > --- > Page 53 > - s/makes a request an application request/makes an application request/ > - s/network loading/network load/ [twice] > - s/data center based/data center-based/ > - s/the services it wants/the desired services/ > - s/it wishes to use/they wish to use/ > --- > Page 58 > - s/Controller Setup/Controller Sets up/ > --- > Page 66 > - s/The detials/The details/ > - s/to satisfy I2RS./to satisfy I2RS will address the requirement./ [not = a > full sentence] > --- > Page 67-68 (if considered useful before removal by the editor) > - s/seciton/section/ > - s/GMPLS protocol/GMPLS protocols/ > - s/tests made in TID has/tests made in TID have/ > - s/BPG-LS/BGP-LS/ > --- > In various figures, the TED seems to be missing, e.g., 16, 17, 21 (+ > LSP-DB). > > Regards, > > Julien > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Julien,

Thanks very much for the thorough review; it's particula= rly useful with an AD-sponsored draft.

Authors, could you take a look through the nits and update t= he draft appropriately.

Regards,
Alia

On Jan 14, 2015 3:27 PM, <julien.meuric@orange.com> wrote:
Hello,

I have been selected as the (2nd) Routing Directorate reviewer for this dra= ft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes o= n special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to th= e Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please s= ee =E2=80=8B http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/R= tgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo= uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Ca= ll comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion= or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-14.txt
Reviewer: Julien Meuric
Review Date: January 14, 2015
IETF LC End Date: January 9, 2015
Intended Status: Informational


Summary:
This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should = be considered prior to publication.

Comments:
This document is clearly written and easy to understand. I had not realized= , though, that the "cookbook" mentioned in the abstract had becom= e an actual book along the updates. Anyway, the various use cases are helpf= ul to extract some simple pieces from the general architecture.

Nits:
---
Page 1
- s/a operational/an operational/
---
Page 4
- s/GMPLS and MPLS/GMPLS-controlled and MPLS/
- The paragraph about remote control may deserve the inclusion of PCEP.
- The paragraph about provisioning, grooming, scheduling... may as well des= erve the explicit inclusion of PCEP (RFC 5557 being implicit reference) to = be consistent with other list items.
---
Page 7
- s/processing on a different/processing a different/
---
Page 8
- s/2.3.1 2.3.2/2.3.1 and 2.3.2/
---
Page 9
- The sentence "software tool with which the user makes requests of th= e networks to set up specific services" is difficult to parse and may = need an update.
---
Page 10
- s/gathering state/gathering states/
---
Page 11
- The expansion of "LSP" is happening there while it is not the f= irst use of the acronym, it would be enough to do it only at first occurren= ce.
---
Page 12
- s/information stores for use/information stored for use/=C2=A0 [or s/cont= ain information stores for use/are informations stores for use/]
- s/should handled/should be handled/
---
Page 13
- s/paths can't/paths cannot/
- s/links and node failure/link and node failure/
---
Page 14
- s/packet switched network/packet-switched network/
---
Page 16
- s/programmed direct/programmed directly/
- GSMP is mentioned in section 2.3.2.6, is there a reason why it is not inc= luded in the list of 2.3.2.1?
---
Page 19
- s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/
---
Page 20
- s/combination or NETCONF/combination of NETCONF/
---
Page 21
- s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/
---
Page 22
- s/requests direct/requests directly/
- s/architecture and to determine/architecture, so as to determine/ [too ma= ny "ands"]
---
Page 23
- s/with the networks/with the network/
---
Page 24
- s/used set up/used to set up/
---
Page 26
- s/(LSR) and it signals/(LSR), which signals/
---
Page 27
- s/to the network direct/to the network directly/
---
Page 28
- Not sure the sentence about philosophers brings useful information (possi= bly because I feel like philosopher).
---
Page 30
- The parenthesis "(they have optical line cards)" should be drop= ped: no reason to introduce a particular case in that context.
---
Page 32
- s/GMPLS [RFC3473]/GMPLS RSVP-TE [RFC3473]/
- s/provisioned direct/provisioned directly/
- s/Interface to the Routing System/I2RS/=C2=A0 [used several times before]=
---
Page 33
- s/operator and provider dependent/operator- and provider-dependent/
- s/packet switch cabale/packet switch capable/
- s/environments. Each DC site/environments: each DC site/=C2=A0 [or deeper= rephrasing]
- s/GMPLS based/GMPLS-based/
---
Page 34
- The term "Cross-Stratum" is defined in section 3.7: it would be= better to avoid its use before, especially only in a section header.
---
Page 35
- s/Application later/Application layer/
- s/t compute/to compute/
- s/end to end/end-to-end/
---
Page 36
- s/or discovery/or by discovery/
- s/without disruption/with minimized disruption/
---
Page 37
- s/is service-interrupting, but that arises/addresses a service-interrupti= ng situation, which arises/
---
Page 40
- The "Endif" in the trigger loop should be removed.
- s/traffic engineered paths/traffic-engineered paths/
---
Page 43
- The phrase "as shown in Figure 20" is not in the right place: i= t should be moved from 2c. to 3.
- s/based on classification/relying on classification/=C2=A0 [to avoid &quo= t;based" twice in the sentence]
- After traffic volume, I would add something like "optical modulation= format and associated reach" to strengthen that the problem is more c= omplex than bandwidth allocation.
- Associating the terms "adaptive and elastic" to a circuit-switc= hed technology with a highly constrained container hierarchy reads odd... (= to a philosopher like me)
---
Page 47
- s/LSPs each only span/LSPs only span/
---
Page 49
- s/path of the only one of/path of only one of/
- s/described in Section 3.6.3/as enabled by Section 3.6.3/ [protection is = a use-case of path-diversity, not a synonymous]
---
Page 51
- s/Data center based/Data center-based/
- s/ QoS related/QoS-related/
---
Page 53
- s/makes a request an application request/makes an application request/ - s/network loading/network load/=C2=A0 [twice]
- s/data center based/data center-based/
- s/the services it wants/the desired services/
- s/it wishes to use/they wish to use/
---
Page 58
- s/Controller Setup/Controller Sets up/
---
Page 66
- s/The detials/The details/
- s/to satisfy I2RS./to satisfy I2RS will address the requirement./ [not a = full sentence]
---
Page 67-68 (if considered useful before removal by the editor)
- s/seciton/section/
- s/GMPLS protocol/GMPLS protocols/
- s/tests made in TID has/tests made in TID have/
- s/BPG-LS/BGP-LS/
---
In various figures, the TED seems to be missing, e.g., 16, 17, 21 (+ LSP-DB= ).

Regards,

Julien


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Alia, any objection if we fix these before the end of IETF last call? A > -----Original Message----- > From: julien.meuric@orange.com [mailto:julien.meuric@orange.com] > Sent: 14 January 2015 23:27 > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; = draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture.all@tools.ietf.org > Subject: RtgDir Review: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have been selected as the (2nd) Routing Directorate reviewer for = this > draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG > review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is > to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about = the > Routing Directorate, please see=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir >=20 > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, = it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them = through > discussion or by updating the draft. >=20 > Document: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-14.txt > Reviewer: Julien Meuric > Review Date: January 14, 2015 > IETF LC End Date: January 9, 2015 > Intended Status: Informational >=20 >=20 > Summary: > This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that > should be considered prior to publication. >=20 > Comments: > This document is clearly written and easy to understand. I had not > realized, though, that the "cookbook" mentioned in the abstract had > become an actual book along the updates. Anyway, the various use cases > are helpful to extract some simple pieces from the general = architecture. >=20 > Nits: > --- > Page 1 > - s/a operational/an operational/ > --- > Page 4 > - s/GMPLS and MPLS/GMPLS-controlled and MPLS/ > - The paragraph about remote control may deserve the inclusion of = PCEP. > - The paragraph about provisioning, grooming, scheduling... may as = well > deserve the explicit inclusion of PCEP (RFC 5557 being implicit > reference) to be consistent with other list items. > --- > Page 7 > - s/processing on a different/processing a different/ > --- > Page 8 > - s/2.3.1 2.3.2/2.3.1 and 2.3.2/ > --- > Page 9 > - The sentence "software tool with which the user makes requests of = the > networks to set up specific services" is difficult to parse and may = need > an update. > --- > Page 10 > - s/gathering state/gathering states/ > --- > Page 11 > - The expansion of "LSP" is happening there while it is not the first > use of the acronym, it would be enough to do it only at first = occurrence. > --- > Page 12 > - s/information stores for use/information stored for use/ [or > s/contain information stores for use/are informations stores for use/] > - s/should handled/should be handled/ > --- > Page 13 > - s/paths can't/paths cannot/ > - s/links and node failure/link and node failure/ > --- > Page 14 > - s/packet switched network/packet-switched network/ > --- > Page 16 > - s/programmed direct/programmed directly/ > - GSMP is mentioned in section 2.3.2.6, is there a reason why it is = not > included in the list of 2.3.2.1? > --- > Page 19 > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ > --- > Page 20 > - s/combination or NETCONF/combination of NETCONF/ > --- > Page 21 > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ > --- > Page 22 > - s/requests direct/requests directly/ > - s/architecture and to determine/architecture, so as to determine/ = [too > many "ands"] > --- > Page 23 > - s/with the networks/with the network/ > --- > Page 24 > - s/used set up/used to set up/ > --- > Page 26 > - s/(LSR) and it signals/(LSR), which signals/ > --- > Page 27 > - s/to the network direct/to the network directly/ > --- > Page 28 > - Not sure the sentence about philosophers brings useful information > (possibly because I feel like philosopher). > --- > Page 30 > - The parenthesis "(they have optical line cards)" should be dropped: = no > reason to introduce a particular case in that context. > --- > Page 32 > - s/GMPLS [RFC3473]/GMPLS RSVP-TE [RFC3473]/ > - s/provisioned direct/provisioned directly/ > - s/Interface to the Routing System/I2RS/ [used several times before] > --- > Page 33 > - s/operator and provider dependent/operator- and provider-dependent/ > - s/packet switch cabale/packet switch capable/ > - s/environments. Each DC site/environments: each DC site/ [or deeper > rephrasing] > - s/GMPLS based/GMPLS-based/ > --- > Page 34 > - The term "Cross-Stratum" is defined in section 3.7: it would be = better > to avoid its use before, especially only in a section header. > --- > Page 35 > - s/Application later/Application layer/ > - s/t compute/to compute/ > - s/end to end/end-to-end/ > --- > Page 36 > - s/or discovery/or by discovery/ > - s/without disruption/with minimized disruption/ > --- > Page 37 > - s/is service-interrupting, but that arises/addresses a > service-interrupting situation, which arises/ > --- > Page 40 > - The "Endif" in the trigger loop should be removed. > - s/traffic engineered paths/traffic-engineered paths/ > --- > Page 43 > - The phrase "as shown in Figure 20" is not in the right place: it > should be moved from 2c. to 3. > - s/based on classification/relying on classification/ [to avoid > "based" twice in the sentence] > - After traffic volume, I would add something like "optical modulation > format and associated reach" to strengthen that the problem is more > complex than bandwidth allocation. > - Associating the terms "adaptive and elastic" to a circuit-switched > technology with a highly constrained container hierarchy reads odd... > (to a philosopher like me) > --- > Page 47 > - s/LSPs each only span/LSPs only span/ > --- > Page 49 > - s/path of the only one of/path of only one of/ > - s/described in Section 3.6.3/as enabled by Section 3.6.3/ = [protection > is a use-case of path-diversity, not a synonymous] > --- > Page 51 > - s/Data center based/Data center-based/ > - s/ QoS related/QoS-related/ > --- > Page 53 > - s/makes a request an application request/makes an application = request/ > - s/network loading/network load/ [twice] > - s/data center based/data center-based/ > - s/the services it wants/the desired services/ > - s/it wishes to use/they wish to use/ > --- > Page 58 > - s/Controller Setup/Controller Sets up/ > --- > Page 66 > - s/The detials/The details/ > - s/to satisfy I2RS./to satisfy I2RS will address the requirement./ = [not > a full sentence] > --- > Page 67-68 (if considered useful before removal by the editor) > - s/seciton/section/ > - s/GMPLS protocol/GMPLS protocols/ > - s/tests made in TID has/tests made in TID have/ > - s/BPG-LS/BGP-LS/ > --- > In various figures, the TED seems to be missing, e.g., 16, 17, 21 (+ > LSP-DB). >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Julien >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Thu Jan 15 07:42:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD21F1B2C93 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpR6vrUfHTL1 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yk0-x235.google.com (mail-yk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10A71B2CA0 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yk0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 142so7132362ykq.12 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=F09iQXAKD5ZvwVJDZSdoQLt+AGx2iE3eJXw9nbjoqgA=; b=hMU4CIzfmKTnR7D/NSD9qSqC7vfEG7YHn9vJztzjxI1FRpzVHk6blPYYBqCM3OxZq+ GqpIMC5Cgs1q3uLKZyxI17DfFRq/E8dHTTInt5YC5badEuGKfX851ICGsuc5RdfxYIA9 B7Sv7SpALlL1Ph87DmGcDLkIc4Sx5wzexyV63VRnyOFnWimEg8wEEeGztV+BIP5iNh4u cBTKc1uUtmq8CXVEqm0JhhC2kLwcoG4yDa53V/sFTAISghyCGW5hpRhUL4Y8qizj6tuF dnPsx/1s7rZC5tL5eBW6W8ZHGPl+9lJLjTcajTPkTmVAFUThW+9ycUQlI73WlzcosfQj LlnA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.223.198 with SMTP id v66mr6503784yhp.38.1421336568052; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.133.18 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.133.18 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:42:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00de01d030ac$734a6d30$59df4790$@olddog.co.uk> References: <26590_1421278018_54B6FB42_26590_15593_1_54B6FB3E.7090907@orange.com> <00de01d030ac$734a6d30$59df4790$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Adrian Farrel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1e9ee3ec0bf050cb2b561 Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, Julien Meuric , draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture.all@tools.ietf.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:42:52 -0000 --001a11c1e9ee3ec0bf050cb2b561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Adrian, On Jan 15, 2015 2:17 AM, "Adrian Farrel" wrote: > > Nice review, thanks. > > Alia, any objection if we fix these before the end of IETF last call? Please do. Thanks, Alia > > A > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: julien.meuric@orange.com [mailto:julien.meuric@orange.com] > > Sent: 14 January 2015 23:27 > > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture.all@tools.ietf.org > > Subject: RtgDir Review: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture > > > > Hello, > > > > I have been selected as the (2nd) Routing Directorate reviewer for this > > draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or > > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG > > review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is > > to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the > > Routing Directorate, please see > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > > discussion or by updating the draft. > > > > Document: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-14.txt > > Reviewer: Julien Meuric > > Review Date: January 14, 2015 > > IETF LC End Date: January 9, 2015 > > Intended Status: Informational > > > > > > Summary: > > This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that > > should be considered prior to publication. > > > > Comments: > > This document is clearly written and easy to understand. I had not > > realized, though, that the "cookbook" mentioned in the abstract had > > become an actual book along the updates. Anyway, the various use cases > > are helpful to extract some simple pieces from the general architecture. > > > > Nits: > > --- > > Page 1 > > - s/a operational/an operational/ > > --- > > Page 4 > > - s/GMPLS and MPLS/GMPLS-controlled and MPLS/ > > - The paragraph about remote control may deserve the inclusion of PCEP. > > - The paragraph about provisioning, grooming, scheduling... may as well > > deserve the explicit inclusion of PCEP (RFC 5557 being implicit > > reference) to be consistent with other list items. > > --- > > Page 7 > > - s/processing on a different/processing a different/ > > --- > > Page 8 > > - s/2.3.1 2.3.2/2.3.1 and 2.3.2/ > > --- > > Page 9 > > - The sentence "software tool with which the user makes requests of the > > networks to set up specific services" is difficult to parse and may need > > an update. > > --- > > Page 10 > > - s/gathering state/gathering states/ > > --- > > Page 11 > > - The expansion of "LSP" is happening there while it is not the first > > use of the acronym, it would be enough to do it only at first occurrence. > > --- > > Page 12 > > - s/information stores for use/information stored for use/ [or > > s/contain information stores for use/are informations stores for use/] > > - s/should handled/should be handled/ > > --- > > Page 13 > > - s/paths can't/paths cannot/ > > - s/links and node failure/link and node failure/ > > --- > > Page 14 > > - s/packet switched network/packet-switched network/ > > --- > > Page 16 > > - s/programmed direct/programmed directly/ > > - GSMP is mentioned in section 2.3.2.6, is there a reason why it is not > > included in the list of 2.3.2.1? > > --- > > Page 19 > > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ > > --- > > Page 20 > > - s/combination or NETCONF/combination of NETCONF/ > > --- > > Page 21 > > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/ > > --- > > Page 22 > > - s/requests direct/requests directly/ > > - s/architecture and to determine/architecture, so as to determine/ [too > > many "ands"] > > --- > > Page 23 > > - s/with the networks/with the network/ > > --- > > Page 24 > > - s/used set up/used to set up/ > > --- > > Page 26 > > - s/(LSR) and it signals/(LSR), which signals/ > > --- > > Page 27 > > - s/to the network direct/to the network directly/ > > --- > > Page 28 > > - Not sure the sentence about philosophers brings useful information > > (possibly because I feel like philosopher). > > --- > > Page 30 > > - The parenthesis "(they have optical line cards)" should be dropped: no > > reason to introduce a particular case in that context. > > --- > > Page 32 > > - s/GMPLS [RFC3473]/GMPLS RSVP-TE [RFC3473]/ > > - s/provisioned direct/provisioned directly/ > > - s/Interface to the Routing System/I2RS/ [used several times before] > > --- > > Page 33 > > - s/operator and provider dependent/operator- and provider-dependent/ > > - s/packet switch cabale/packet switch capable/ > > - s/environments. Each DC site/environments: each DC site/ [or deeper > > rephrasing] > > - s/GMPLS based/GMPLS-based/ > > --- > > Page 34 > > - The term "Cross-Stratum" is defined in section 3.7: it would be better > > to avoid its use before, especially only in a section header. > > --- > > Page 35 > > - s/Application later/Application layer/ > > - s/t compute/to compute/ > > - s/end to end/end-to-end/ > > --- > > Page 36 > > - s/or discovery/or by discovery/ > > - s/without disruption/with minimized disruption/ > > --- > > Page 37 > > - s/is service-interrupting, but that arises/addresses a > > service-interrupting situation, which arises/ > > --- > > Page 40 > > - The "Endif" in the trigger loop should be removed. > > - s/traffic engineered paths/traffic-engineered paths/ > > --- > > Page 43 > > - The phrase "as shown in Figure 20" is not in the right place: it > > should be moved from 2c. to 3. > > - s/based on classification/relying on classification/ [to avoid > > "based" twice in the sentence] > > - After traffic volume, I would add something like "optical modulation > > format and associated reach" to strengthen that the problem is more > > complex than bandwidth allocation. > > - Associating the terms "adaptive and elastic" to a circuit-switched > > technology with a highly constrained container hierarchy reads odd... > > (to a philosopher like me) > > --- > > Page 47 > > - s/LSPs each only span/LSPs only span/ > > --- > > Page 49 > > - s/path of the only one of/path of only one of/ > > - s/described in Section 3.6.3/as enabled by Section 3.6.3/ [protection > > is a use-case of path-diversity, not a synonymous] > > --- > > Page 51 > > - s/Data center based/Data center-based/ > > - s/ QoS related/QoS-related/ > > --- > > Page 53 > > - s/makes a request an application request/makes an application request/ > > - s/network loading/network load/ [twice] > > - s/data center based/data center-based/ > > - s/the services it wants/the desired services/ > > - s/it wishes to use/they wish to use/ > > --- > > Page 58 > > - s/Controller Setup/Controller Sets up/ > > --- > > Page 66 > > - s/The detials/The details/ > > - s/to satisfy I2RS./to satisfy I2RS will address the requirement./ [not > > a full sentence] > > --- > > Page 67-68 (if considered useful before removal by the editor) > > - s/seciton/section/ > > - s/GMPLS protocol/GMPLS protocols/ > > - s/tests made in TID has/tests made in TID have/ > > - s/BPG-LS/BGP-LS/ > > --- > > In various figures, the TED seems to be missing, e.g., 16, 17, 21 (+ > > LSP-DB). > > > > Regards, > > > > Julien > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Adrian,

On Jan 15, 2015 2:17 AM, "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Nice review, thanks.
>
> Alia, any objection if we fix these before the end of IETF last call?<= /p>

Please do.

Thanks,
Alia
>
> A
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: julien.meuric@o= range.com [mailto:julien.me= uric@orange.com]
> > Sent: 14 January 2015 23:27
> > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.= org
> > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; d= raft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture.all@tools.ietf.org
> > Subject: RtgDir Review: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture > >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have been selected as the (2nd) Routing Directorate reviewer fo= r this
> > draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or
> > routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IE= SG
> > review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the revi= ew is
> > to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information ab= out the
> > Routing Directorate, please see
> > = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir
> >
> > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing = ADs, it
> > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other = IETF
> > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them t= hrough
> > discussion or by updating the draft.
> >
> > Document: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-14.txt
> > Reviewer: Julien Meuric
> > Review Date: January 14, 2015
> > IETF LC End Date: January 9, 2015
> > Intended Status: Informational
> >
> >
> > Summary:
> > This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits th= at
> > should be considered prior to publication.
> >
> > Comments:
> > This document is clearly written and easy to understand. I had no= t
> > realized, though, that the "cookbook" mentioned in the = abstract had
> > become an actual book along the updates. Anyway, the various use = cases
> > are helpful to extract some simple pieces from the general archit= ecture.
> >
> > Nits:
> > ---
> > Page 1
> > - s/a operational/an operational/
> > ---
> > Page 4
> > - s/GMPLS and MPLS/GMPLS-controlled and MPLS/
> > - The paragraph about remote control may deserve the inclusion of= PCEP.
> > - The paragraph about provisioning, grooming, scheduling... may a= s well
> > deserve the explicit inclusion of PCEP (RFC 5557 being implicit > > reference) to be consistent with other list items.
> > ---
> > Page 7
> > - s/processing on a different/processing a different/
> > ---
> > Page 8
> > - s/2.3.1 2.3.2/2.3.1 and 2.3.2/
> > ---
> > Page 9
> > - The sentence "software tool with which the user makes requ= ests of the
> > networks to set up specific services" is difficult to parse = and may need
> > an update.
> > ---
> > Page 10
> > - s/gathering state/gathering states/
> > ---
> > Page 11
> > - The expansion of "LSP" is happening there while it is= not the first
> > use of the acronym, it would be enough to do it only at first occ= urrence.
> > ---
> > Page 12
> > - s/information stores for use/information stored for use/=C2=A0 = [or
> > s/contain information stores for use/are informations stores for = use/]
> > - s/should handled/should be handled/
> > ---
> > Page 13
> > - s/paths can't/paths cannot/
> > - s/links and node failure/link and node failure/
> > ---
> > Page 14
> > - s/packet switched network/packet-switched network/
> > ---
> > Page 16
> > - s/programmed direct/programmed directly/
> > - GSMP is mentioned in section 2.3.2.6, is there a reason why it = is not
> > included in the list of 2.3.2.1?
> > ---
> > Page 19
> > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/
> > ---
> > Page 20
> > - s/combination or NETCONF/combination of NETCONF/
> > ---
> > Page 21
> > - s/PCE protocol/PCE communication Protocol/
> > ---
> > Page 22
> > - s/requests direct/requests directly/
> > - s/architecture and to determine/architecture, so as to determin= e/ [too
> > many "ands"]
> > ---
> > Page 23
> > - s/with the networks/with the network/
> > ---
> > Page 24
> > - s/used set up/used to set up/
> > ---
> > Page 26
> > - s/(LSR) and it signals/(LSR), which signals/
> > ---
> > Page 27
> > - s/to the network direct/to the network directly/
> > ---
> > Page 28
> > - Not sure the sentence about philosophers brings useful informat= ion
> > (possibly because I feel like philosopher).
> > ---
> > Page 30
> > - The parenthesis "(they have optical line cards)" shou= ld be dropped: no
> > reason to introduce a particular case in that context.
> > ---
> > Page 32
> > - s/GMPLS [RFC3473]/GMPLS RSVP-TE [RFC3473]/
> > - s/provisioned direct/provisioned directly/
> > - s/Interface to the Routing System/I2RS/=C2=A0 [used several tim= es before]
> > ---
> > Page 33
> > - s/operator and provider dependent/operator- and provider-depend= ent/
> > - s/packet switch cabale/packet switch capable/
> > - s/environments. Each DC site/environments: each DC site/=C2=A0 = [or deeper
> > rephrasing]
> > - s/GMPLS based/GMPLS-based/
> > ---
> > Page 34
> > - The term "Cross-Stratum" is defined in section 3.7: i= t would be better
> > to avoid its use before, especially only in a section header.
> > ---
> > Page 35
> > - s/Application later/Application layer/
> > - s/t compute/to compute/
> > - s/end to end/end-to-end/
> > ---
> > Page 36
> > - s/or discovery/or by discovery/
> > - s/without disruption/with minimized disruption/
> > ---
> > Page 37
> > - s/is service-interrupting, but that arises/addresses a
> > service-interrupting situation, which arises/
> > ---
> > Page 40
> > - The "Endif" in the trigger loop should be removed. > > - s/traffic engineered paths/traffic-engineered paths/
> > ---
> > Page 43
> > - The phrase "as shown in Figure 20" is not in the righ= t place: it
> > should be moved from 2c. to 3.
> > - s/based on classification/relying on classification/=C2=A0 [to = avoid
> > "based" twice in the sentence]
> > - After traffic volume, I would add something like "optical = modulation
> > format and associated reach" to strengthen that the problem = is more
> > complex than bandwidth allocation.
> > - Associating the terms "adaptive and elastic" to a cir= cuit-switched
> > technology with a highly constrained container hierarchy reads od= d...
> > (to a philosopher like me)
> > ---
> > Page 47
> > - s/LSPs each only span/LSPs only span/
> > ---
> > Page 49
> > - s/path of the only one of/path of only one of/
> > - s/described in Section 3.6.3/as enabled by Section 3.6.3/ [prot= ection
> > is a use-case of path-diversity, not a synonymous]
> > ---
> > Page 51
> > - s/Data center based/Data center-based/
> > - s/ QoS related/QoS-related/
> > ---
> > Page 53
> > - s/makes a request an application request/makes an application r= equest/
> > - s/network loading/network load/=C2=A0 [twice]
> > - s/data center based/data center-based/
> > - s/the services it wants/the desired services/
> > - s/it wishes to use/they wish to use/
> > ---
> > Page 58
> > - s/Controller Setup/Controller Sets up/
> > ---
> > Page 66
> > - s/The detials/The details/
> > - s/to satisfy I2RS./to satisfy I2RS will address the requirement= ./ [not
> > a full sentence]
> > ---
> > Page 67-68 (if considered useful before removal by the editor) > > - s/seciton/section/
> > - s/GMPLS protocol/GMPLS protocols/
> > - s/tests made in TID has/tests made in TID have/
> > - s/BPG-LS/BGP-LS/
> > ---
> > In various figures, the TED seems to be missing, e.g., 16, 17, 21= (+
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From: "Michael Richardson" To: "ietf-announce@ietf.org" The 2014-15 Nominating Committee (NomCom) is seeking nominations From=20now until January 26, 2015, 23:59UTC for the position of 3rd Routing Area Director. Please see below for this much shorter NomCom schedule. For background on the request for a third routing area director please see: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg91370.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg91030.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg91015.html {A note about candidates that have previously been nominated: a number of people were nominated to the role of 2nd Routing AD. The NOMCOM Chair will be contacting those candidates to determine if they wish to stand for the third position; if they do, they will be listed for feedback. Additional feedback is welcome; but no previous comments have been lost.} Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the Nomcom 2014 home page, or by visiting the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2014/nominate/ {Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org datatracker account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account if you don't have one already by visiting the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ } Nominations may also be made by email to nomcom14@ietf.org. If you use email, please include the word "Nominate" in the Subject and indicate in the email who is being nominated, their email address (to confirm acceptance of the nomination), and the position for which you are making the nomination. If you wish to nominate more than one person, please use separate emails to do so. Self-nomination is welcome! NomCom 2014-15 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees" described in RFC 5680. As stated in RFC 5680: "The list of nominees willing to be considered for positions under review in the current Nomcom cycle is not confidential". Willing nominees for each position will be listed in a publicly accessible way - anyone with a datatracker account may access the lists. In all other ways, the confidentiality requirements of RFC 3777/BCP10 remain in effect. All feedback and all Nomcom deliberations will remain confidential and will not be disclosed. NOTE THAT NOMINATIONS SHOULD NOT WAIT FOR MANAGEMENT PERMISSION. Nominees should Accept/Decline as soon as they decide they wish to consider it, and if they do not have management (or family) support, then they can withdraw. SCHEDULE FOR THIRD ROUTING AREA (at 23:59 UTC): also see calendar at: http://goo.gl/D3q2CY - Tuesday, January 20, 2015 - open nominations - Monday, January 26, 2015 - deadline for nominations/open for comments - Monday, February 2, 2015 - deadline for questionnaires - Monday, February 13, 2015 - deadline for comments on persons, and requi= rements - Target week for interviews Tuesday, February 3, 2016. (We are aware of IAB workshop that occurs last week of January) Some additional details from the IESG request: - The IESG is currently proposing to move three working groups from the INT area to the RTG area: L2TPEXT, LISP, and TRILL - There is a considerable increase in management-related work in the R= TG area. Specifically, there are a lot of new YANG models being written. Although the coordination of YANG across the IETF falls as the responsibility of the OPS ADs (specifically the Management AD) it is expected that the RTG ADs will need to work on an increasing numb= er of YANG documents so familiarity with YANG should be added to the li= st of desirable (but not mandatory) skills. - The reasoning behind the addition of a third RTG AD is that the load in the RTG area is currently unsustainably high. The placement of a third AD will have the effect of spreading that load such that the time requirement may now be more consistent with the work loads of A= Ds in other areas. =2D- Michael Richardson mcr+nomcom@sandelman.ca nomcom-chair-2014@ietf.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBVMEL24CLcPvd0N1lAQLvFQf+NHEeEsLloPWRpeREZUyNcHxdr9c7OzLz DhK9X2na94iPmR8NsnyYodXv4kk2ple3nYjgDYL60lfF8I3LREsN+USikmieXvXQ +aiSvVN6zm2otsE9rrd+M1/rGF7Y0iPnBakst+e0KQofRHwstprFP0/n7BWEuGd5 1ZKNDAGvpFgcu1jCwwQzrcqB8qYO7hVi3h45NcQneHTlfHcMLUb7I6ik8JUljjwe qGyravehxyqfU33Hj05v150YOPO+DBmmDsuFeOf5hTLgG7HAT1FE9yxzMavZzFJZ OyN5mcuc5J+NM4hMbmD7cWzRB2drk207ZO46jrMU8J/UOwYVv8Z+LA== =JRE6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Jan 22 09:20:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by 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My reply is inlined #Keyur From: , Wes > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:18 AM To: Keyur Patel >, "rtg-ads@t= ools.ietf.org" > Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" >, "draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 Keyur =96 Thanks for the review. Ack for most of the nits, responding to a = couple inline below. Thanks, Wes From: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" > Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 6:52 PM To: "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" > Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" >, "draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 Resent-To: >, >, >, >, "George, Wes" >, >, > Section 3: Can we replace the reference of companies with SPs? WG] no, because it is equally applicable to two companies (say enterprises)= that are merging their networks using AS Migration. #Keyur: It would be nice to maintain consistency for better readability. I = suggest use either companies or Sps or something else that can represent bo= th. Section 3.2.1: Isn=92t the problem of increased ASPATH length explained in = section 3.2.2 applicable to 3.2.1? If so can reference it in 3.2.1 as well? WG] It's not really applicable, because since the router has keys to sign o= utbound updates with either ASN, it can with one AS, the other AS, or both,= depending on how it's configured, so if it's configured to replace the AS,= there's no increase in the AS Path. In the opposite direction, the signing= to one ASN (the old ASN) has already happened, so there's no avoiding an a= dditional AS in the path during a migration. #Keyur: Ack. That makes sense. Section 5.2: Can we refer to the fact that this is the only case where an = extra signing is done for before sending an update to an IBGP session? WG] Doesn't the last sentence do this by highlighting the deviation from no= rmal behavior? I can't say categorically that this is the only case, as at = some point in the future there may be another. Best I could do is to say th= at "as of time of writing this is the only=85" but I don't see how that add= s much to what is already there. Open to discussion to the contrary, of cou= rse. #Keyur: The last sentence wasn=92t that clear. I thought it was important a= s I don=92t recall bgpsec signing ibgp updates (as of now in any other case= ). This would be a special one (as of now) :) . Regards, Keyur ________________________________ This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the u= se of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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Hi Wes,

Thanks for the comments. My reply is inlined #Keyur

From: <George>, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at= 9:18 AM
To: Keyur Patel <keyupate@cisco.com>, "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" <rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org>
Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" <rtg-dir@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org<= /a>" <dra= ft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Revie= w: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02

Keyur =96 Thanks for the review. Ack for most of the nits, responding = to a couple inline below. 


Thanks,

 

Wes

 

From: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)&= quot; <keyupate@cisco.com><= br> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 a= t 6:52 PM
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Section 3: Can we replace the reference of companies with SPs?
WG] no, because it is equally applicable to two companies (say enterpr= ises) that are merging their networks using AS Migration.

#Keyur: It would be nice to maintain consistency for better readabilit= y. I suggest use either companies or Sps or something else that can represe= nt both.


Section 3.2.1: Isn=92t the problem of increased ASPATH length explaine= d in section 3.2.2 applicable to 3.2.1? If so can reference it in 3.2.1 as = well?
WG] It's not really applicable, because since the router has keys to s= ign outbound updates with either ASN, it can with one AS, the other AS, or = both, depending on how it's configured, so if it's configured to replace th= e AS, there's no increase in the AS Path. In the opposite direction, the signing to one ASN (the old ASN) h= as already happened, so there's no avoiding an additional AS in the path du= ring a migration. 

#Keyur: Ack. That makes sense.

Section 5.2:  Can we refer to the fact that this is the only case= where an extra signing is done for before sending an update to an IBGP ses= sion?

WG] Doesn't the last sentence do this by highlighting the deviation fr= om normal behavior? I can't say categorically that this is the only case, as at some point = in the future there may be another. Best I could do is to say that "as= of time of writing this is the only=85" but I don't see how that adds= much to what is already there. Open to discussion to the contrary, of course. 

#Keyur: The last sentence wasn=92t that clear. I thought it was impo= rtant as I don=92t recall bgpsec signing ibgp updates (as of now in any oth= er case). This would be a special one (as of now) :) .

Regards,
Keyur

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{1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: "'rtg-dir@ietf.org'" , "'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'" , "'ccamp@ietf.org'" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:42:45 -0000 Young, Can you review any changes planned as a result of the rtg-dir review? Please also include any specific language changes, that you may have already identified. Thanks, Lou (as doc Shepherd) On 01/23/2015 03:01 AM, Tomonori Takeda wrote: > Hi Young, > > OK, thanks, > > Tomonori > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:44 AM > To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hi Tomonori, > > Thanks for your comment. Please see in-line for my response. Please let me know if the response would satisfy you. > > Best regards, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomonori Takeda [mailto:tomonori.takeda@ntt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48 AM > To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda > Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hi Young, > > Thanks. > > Two follow-up questions/comments. > (I am fine with other points, which you already addressed in the updated draft.) > >> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be > "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? >> >> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels > each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination > of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this > not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. > > My reading of "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}" is as follows. > > > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=2 > > This is allowed. > > > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > This is not allowed. > > > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 > input label=2 output label=2 > > This is allowed. > > Is above understanding correct? > If so, I am not sure how example A works, since I am not sure what is the indentifier to direct from input to each submatrix. > > Maybe I am mis-understanding what sub-matrix is. I thought sub-matrix is a sort of virtual node, splitting the single matrix (or switch) into smaller pieces. > > YOUNG>> OK, I think the definition of submatrix was not clear. It is simply dividing up a matrix into several pieces in case the size of the matrix becomes too big or a way to advertize the changed port/label set in one place (sub-matrix) then other unchanged port/label set in other place (different sub-matrix). The identifier for each sub-matrix is the MATRIX ID. There is not separate identifier to direct from input. The input is a part of the sub-matrix. Say if we have N*M matrix that describes all input and output port/label. We might divide up into N*(M-L) and N*L or any other combinations as far as they are all disjoint from each other. > >> 4) In section 2.1, for Link Set A dir=bidirectional, Link Set B dir=bidirectional, if any signal on an input link X is output on a link Y, then any > signal on an input link Y is output on a link X (after cross-connect)? Or any constraint on such signal flow (after cross-connect) is out of scope? >> >> > I am not sure what "after cross-connect" is meant. > > > > Link set A: link#1, link#2, link#3 > Link set B: link#4, link#5, link#6 > > Both of Link set A and Link set B are specified as "dir". > > In this case, > - Is it possible to problem the cross-connect as input=link#1, output=link#4 > & input=link#5, output=link#1 simultaneolusly? > - Or is it automatically assumed if input=link#1, output=link#4, > then input=link#4, output=link#1? > - Or this sort of constraint is not specified in Link Set Field? > > The text seems like saying the first option, but I do not think this is a common equipment implementaion. > > YOUGN>> OK. I think I understand you more clearly. For this case (bidirectional link sets), the first case is definitely not the intention. The second case is assumed. > > Thanks, > Tomonori > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:54 AM > To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hi Tomonori, > > Thanks for providing good comments. Here's my response. Please see in-line. > > Regards, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tomonori Takeda > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:59 AM > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hello, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > Reviewer: Tomonori Takeda > Review Date: 17 January, 2015 > IETF LC End Date: 17 January, 2015 > Intended Status: Standards Track > > Summary: > > This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. > > Comments: > > This document specifies protocol-agnostic encodings for general information elements described in draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info. > I think the document is in good shape but there are a few points that should be clarified for better understanding. > > Major Issues: > > None > > Minor Issues: > > None > > Nits: > > 1) In section 1.2, label continuity constraint (e.g., wavelength continuity in WSON) is mentioned. However, I am not sure whether information elements for which this document specifies encodings can describe such constraint. My reading is that information element such as Port Label Restriction is rather for describing wavelength tuning capabilities/restrictions. > > YOUNG>> Label continuity constraints can be inferred from the two places in the draft: (i) Port Label Restriction, which gives the set of labels (wavelengths) that may not be available on certain links including tuning range/restriction; (ii) Available/Shared Backup Label Fields (section 2.4 & section 2.5). There is no encoding for label continuity constraint per se. The aforementioned constraints are encoded to give a node or a PCE to be able to compute a path (i.e., path with wavelength continuity) subject to these constraints. > > 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? > > YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. > > 3) In section 2.1, it says "The value of 0xFF is reserved for use with port wavelength constraints". I think "port wavelength constraints" should be "port label restriction". > > YOUNG>> Yes, thanks. > > 4) In section 2.1, for Link Set A dir=bidirectional, Link Set B dir=bidirectional, if any signal on an input link X is output on a link Y, then any signal on an input link Y is output on a link X (after cross-connect)? Or any constraint on such signal flow (after cross-connect) is out of scope? > > YOUNG>> I am not sure what "after cross-connect" is meant. > > 5) In section 2.2.1, it says "In this case the accompanying label set indicates the labels permitted on the port." I think "port" should be "port/matrix". > > YOUNG>> Yes, thanks. > > 6) In section 2.2.2, it would be better to describe the type (e.g., integer) for MaxNumChannels. > This also applies for MaxLabelRange (in section 2.2.3) and Num Labels (in section 2.6). > > YOUNG>> OK. > > 7) In section 2.6, it says "Label Set Field is used within the or the ". But I think Label Set Field is also used within SIMPLE_LABEL, LABEL_RANGE and SIMPLE_LABEL & CHANNEL_COUNT. > > YOUNG>> Yes, it is used in multiple places. > > How about: > OLD: Label Set Field is used within the or the > , which is defined in Section 2.4. and 2.5., > respectively. > NEW: Label Set Field is used within the or the > , which is defined in Section 2.4. and 2.5., > respectively. It is also used within the , > , or , which is defined > in Sections 2.1.1 - 2.1.4, respectively. > > > Thanks, > Tomonori > From nobody Fri Jan 23 08:51:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B15B1A87AC; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:51:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dE995EGUf3jK; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No 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h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=0ZE1Q8aIfnaHvOSJSSoeKDS6fx5lXmMv/ejqhhJbpQE=; b=wVjx2HrvZTn01QhzGcy4C9VyLkkkXMM3c0kqlPr4B1pA6XefoiziG0QEGV7Y+MgragPJcc1QZQ71+natNh/+YZK4ZueKtHm6IuZLM8lcRggf6sfqKfA81HP3Q7OIwaXj; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:40480 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YEhw1-00027D-7g; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:22:17 -0700 Message-ID: <54C28342.8040606@labn.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:22:10 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leeyoung , Tomonori Takeda , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7B111@dfweml706-chm> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7C7D3@dfweml706-chm> <54C279EE.3070200@labn.net> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7E063@dfweml706-chm> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7E063@dfweml706-chm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: "'rtg-dir@ietf.org'" , "'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'" , "'ccamp@ietf.org'" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:22:43 -0000 Young, On 1/23/2015 11:51 AM, Leeyoung wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Are you referring 'any specific language changes' to Adrian's 'Resource' language? Actually, no. > If so, yes, I expect Adrian's input on where to place any changes in the draft. Other than that I believe the version 17 (which was published) reflects Tomonori's rtg-dir review. Let me know if you believe any other aspect (other than 'resource' language) should be updated in the upcoming version 18. I may have misunderstood the thread below, but I read it as there are two areas in -17 that should be clarified. Thanks, Lou > Thanks, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:42 AM > To: Tomonori Takeda; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Young, > Can you review any changes planned as a result of the rtg-dir review? > Please also include any specific language changes, that you may have > already identified. > > Thanks, > Lou (as doc Shepherd) > > On 01/23/2015 03:01 AM, Tomonori Takeda wrote: >> Hi Young, >> >> OK, thanks, >> >> Tomonori >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:44 AM >> To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hi Tomonori, >> >> Thanks for your comment. Please see in-line for my response. Please let me know if the response would satisfy you. >> >> Best regards, >> Young >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tomonori Takeda [mailto:tomonori.takeda@ntt.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48 AM >> To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hi Young, >> >> Thanks. >> >> Two follow-up questions/comments. >> (I am fine with other points, which you already addressed in the updated draft.) >> >>> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be > "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? >>> >>> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels > each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination > of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this > not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. >> My reading of "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}" is as follows. >> >> >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=2 >> >> This is allowed. >> >> >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> This is not allowed. >> >> >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >> input label=2 output label=2 >> >> This is allowed. >> >> Is above understanding correct? >> If so, I am not sure how example A works, since I am not sure what is the indentifier to direct from input to each submatrix. >> >> Maybe I am mis-understanding what sub-matrix is. I thought sub-matrix is a sort of virtual node, splitting the single matrix (or switch) into smaller pieces. >> >> YOUNG>> OK, I think the definition of submatrix was not clear. It is simply dividing up a matrix into several pieces in case the size of the matrix becomes too big or a way to advertize the changed port/label set in one place (sub-matrix) then other unchanged port/label set in other place (different sub-matrix). The identifier for each sub-matrix is the MATRIX ID. There is not separate identifier to direct from input. The input is a part of the sub-matrix. Say if we have N*M matrix that describes all input and output port/label. We might divide up into N*(M-L) and N*L or any other combinations as far as they are all disjoint from each other. >> >>> 4) In section 2.1, for Link Set A dir=bidirectional, Link Set B dir=bidirectional, if any signal on an input link X is output on a link Y, then any > signal on an input link Y is output on a link X (after cross-connect)? Or any constraint on such signal flow (after cross-connect) is out of scope? >>> >>> > I am not sure what "after cross-connect" is meant. >> >> >> Link set A: link#1, link#2, link#3 >> Link set B: link#4, link#5, link#6 >> >> Both of Link set A and Link set B are specified as "dir". >> >> In this case, >> - Is it possible to problem the cross-connect as input=link#1, output=link#4 >> & input=link#5, output=link#1 simultaneolusly? >> - Or is it automatically assumed if input=link#1, output=link#4, >> then input=link#4, output=link#1? >> - Or this sort of constraint is not specified in Link Set Field? >> >> The text seems like saying the first option, but I do not think this is a common equipment implementaion. >> >> YOUGN>> OK. I think I understand you more clearly. For this case (bidirectional link sets), the first case is definitely not the intention. The second case is assumed. >> >> Thanks, >> Tomonori >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:54 AM >> To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hi Tomonori, >> >> Thanks for providing good comments. Here's my response. Please see in-line. >> >> Regards, >> Young >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tomonori Takeda >> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:59 AM >> To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' >> Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hello, >> >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir >> >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. >> >> Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> Reviewer: Tomonori Takeda >> Review Date: 17 January, 2015 >> IETF LC End Date: 17 January, 2015 >> Intended Status: Standards Track >> >> Summary: >> >> This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. >> >> Comments: >> >> This document specifies protocol-agnostic encodings for general information elements described in draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info. >> I think the document is in good shape but there are a few points that should be clarified for better understanding. >> >> Major Issues: >> >> None >> >> Minor Issues: >> >> None >> >> Nits: >> >> 1) In section 1.2, label continuity constraint (e.g., wavelength continuity in WSON) is mentioned. However, I am not sure whether information elements for which this document specifies encodings can describe such constraint. My reading is that information element such as Port Label Restriction is rather for describing wavelength tuning capabilities/restrictions. >> >> YOUNG>> Label continuity constraints can be inferred from the two places in the draft: (i) Port Label Restriction, which gives the set of labels (wavelengths) that may not be available on certain links including tuning range/restriction; (ii) Available/Shared Backup Label Fields (section 2.4 & section 2.5). There is no encoding for label continuity constraint per se. The aforementioned constraints are encoded to give a node or a PCE to be able to compute a path (i.e., path with wavelength continuity) subject to these constraints. >> >> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? >> >> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. >> >> 3) In section 2.1, it says "The value of 0xFF is reserved for use with port wavelength constraints". I think "port wavelength constraints" should be "port label restriction". >> >> YOUNG>> Yes, thanks. >> >> 4) In section 2.1, for Link Set A dir=bidirectional, Link Set B dir=bidirectional, if any signal on an input link X is output on a link Y, then any signal on an input link Y is output on a link X (after cross-connect)? Or any constraint on such signal flow (after cross-connect) is out of scope? >> >> YOUNG>> I am not sure what "after cross-connect" is meant. >> >> 5) In section 2.2.1, it says "In this case the accompanying label set indicates the labels permitted on the port." I think "port" should be "port/matrix". >> >> YOUNG>> Yes, thanks. >> >> 6) In section 2.2.2, it would be better to describe the type (e.g., integer) for MaxNumChannels. >> This also applies for MaxLabelRange (in section 2.2.3) and Num Labels (in section 2.6). >> >> YOUNG>> OK. >> >> 7) In section 2.6, it says "Label Set Field is used within the or the ". But I think Label Set Field is also used within SIMPLE_LABEL, LABEL_RANGE and SIMPLE_LABEL & CHANNEL_COUNT. >> >> YOUNG>> Yes, it is used in multiple places. >> >> How about: >> OLD: Label Set Field is used within the or the >> , which is defined in Section 2.4. and 2.5., >> respectively. >> NEW: Label Set Field is used within the or the >> , which is defined in Section 2.4. and 2.5., >> respectively. It is also used within the , >> , or , which is defined >> in Sections 2.1.1 - 2.1.4, respectively. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Tomonori >> From nobody Fri Jan 23 09:25:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0101ABD3B; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 09:25:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hP5uHzhTktVT; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 09:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) 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Halpern" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org, "" Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:09:59 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt Advanced Multipath Use Cases and Design Considerations Reviewer: Joel M. Halpern Review Date: 23-January-2015 IETF LC End Date: N/A Intended Status: Informational Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. Minor note: This draft appears to have expired. From nobody Mon Jan 26 08:43:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD8B1AC43B for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:43:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zcPD2FikTJh8 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0115.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31B341AC429 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hannes-mba.local (193.110.55.11) by BLUPR05MB434.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.27.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.65.19; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:42:53 +0000 Received: from hannes-mba.local (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by hannes-mba.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1212BD618A9; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:42:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:42:38 +0100 From: "Hannes Gredler (hannes@juniper.net)" To: , Message-ID: <20150126164238.GA12067@hannes-mba.local> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Originating-IP: [193.110.55.11] X-ClientProxiedBy: DB4PR04CA0041.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com (25.160.41.51) To BLUPR05MB434.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.27.147) Authentication-Results: att.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;att.com; dmarc=none action=none header.from=juniper.net; X-DmarcAction-Test: None X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(3005004);SRVR:BLUPR05MB434; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004); SRVR:BLUPR05MB434; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0468FE4A2B X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(164054003)(2950100001)(512874002)(92566002)(230783001)(122386002)(77156002)(512954002)(62966003)(77096005)(1720100001)(98436002)(122856001)(84326002)(66066001)(46102003)(50986999)(19580395003)(76176999)(54356999)(40100003)(83506001)(76506005)(86362001)(87976001)(568964001)(2700100001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR05MB434; H:hannes-mba.local; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR05MB434; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2015 16:42:53.7276 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR05MB434 Archived-At: Cc: "Jonathan Hardwick \(Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com\)" , rtg-dir@ietf.org, "Jeff Tantsura \(jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com\)" , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Routing Directorate review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 16:43:13 -0000 --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit fellow authors of draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07, routing-ADs, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07 Reviewer: HANNES GREDLER Review Date: 26 JAN 2015 Intended Status: STANDARDS TRACK Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Comments: please see attached/annotated version - all commenst are prefixed by HG>. thanks, /hannes On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:28:36PM +0000, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: | Hi Hannes, | | The Chairs have asked if can have a review of this document (just passed | last call, would like a review before sending to IESG) - can | you do it? | | Thanks, | Deborah | --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07-hannes-review.txt" review comments inline prefixed by HG> --- Routing Area Working Group S. Litkowski Internet-Draft B. Decraene Intended status: Standards Track Orange Expires: July 17, 2015 C. Filsfils K. Raza Cisco Systems M. Horneffer Deutsche Telekom P. Sarkar Juniper Networks January 13, 2015 Operational management of Loop Free Alternates draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07 Abstract Loop Free Alternates (LFA), as defined in RFC 5286 is an IP Fast ReRoute (IP FRR) mechanism enabling traffic protection for IP traffic (and MPLS LDP traffic by extension). Following first deployment experiences, this document provides operational feedback on LFA, highlights some limitations, and proposes a set of refinements to address those limitations. It also proposes required management specifications. This proposal is also applicable to remote LFA solution. Requirements Language The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119]. Status of This Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 1] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 This Internet-Draft will expire on July 17, 2015. Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 2015 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License. Table of Contents 1. Introduction . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2. Operational issues with default LFA tie breakers . . . . . . 3 2.1. Case 1: Edge router protecting core failures . . . . . . 3 2.2. Case 2: Edge router choosen to protect core failures while core LFA exists . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2.3. Case 3: suboptimal core alternate choice . . . . . . . . 5 2.4. Case 4: ISIS overload bit on LFA computing node . . . . . 6 3. Need for coverage monitoring . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 4. Need for LFA activation granularity . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5. Configuration requirements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5.1. LFA enabling/disabling scope . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5.2. Policy based LFA selection . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5.2.1. Connected vs remote alternates . . . . . . . . . . . 9 5.2.2. Mandatory criteria . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 5.2.3. Enhanced criteria . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 5.2.4. Retrieving alternate path attributes . . . . . . . . 11 5.2.5. ECMP LFAs . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 5.2.6. SRLG . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13 5.2.7. Link coloring . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 14 5.2.8. Bandwidth . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 5.2.9. Alternate preference . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 6. Operational aspects . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17 6.1. ISIS overload bit on LFA computing node . . . . . . . . . 17 6.2. Manual triggering of FRR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18 6.3. Required local information . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 6.4. Coverage monitoring . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 6.5. LFA and network planning . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 7. Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 8. Contributors . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 2] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 9. Acknowledgements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 10. IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 11. References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 11.1. Normative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 11.2. Informative References . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21 Authors' Addresses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22 1. Introduction Following the first deployments of Loop Free Alternates (LFA), this document provides feedback to the community about the management of LFA. Section 2 provides real uses cases illustrating some limitations and suboptimal behavior. Section 4 proposes requirements for activation granularity and policy based selection of the alternate. Section 5 express requirements for the operational management of LFA. 2. Operational issues with default LFA tie breakers [RFC5286] introduces the notion of tie breakers when selecting the LFA among multiple candidate alternate next-hops. When multiple LFA exist, RFC 5286 has favored the selection of the LFA providing the best coverage of the failure cases. While this is indeed a goal, this is one among multiple and in some deployment this lead to the selection of a suboptimal LFA. The following sections details real use cases of such limitations. Note that the use case of per-prefix LFA is assumed throughout this analysis. HG> you might want to explain what 'per-prefix LFA' really is as this is no 'IETF term' - 2.1. Case 1: Edge router protecting core failures Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 3] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 R1 --------- R2 ---------- R3 --------- R4 | 1 100 1 | | | | 100 | 100 | | | 1 100 1 | R5 --------- R6 ---------- R7 --------- R8 -- R9 - PE1 | | | | | 5k | 5k | 5k | 5k | | | | +--- n*PEx ---+ +---- PE2 ----+ | | PEy Figure 1 Rx routers are core routers using n*10G links. PEs are connected using links with lower bandwidth. PEx are a set of PEs connected to R5 and R6. HG> the n*PEx expression in the illustration might be a bit confusing - perhaps you can extend the axample to show a "real ring" (two PE routers would be enough ...), rather than an abstracted view. illustrations are here for ease of explanation and not so much for definition. HG> you're mixing the term 'edge router' and 'PE router' throughout the text - suggest to define initally 'provider-edge (PE) router and then just use the term 'PE router'. In figure 1, let us consider the traffic flowing from PE1 to PEx. The nominal path is R9-R8-R7-R6-PEx. Let us consider the failure of link R7-R8. For R8, R4 is not an LFA and the only available LFA is PE2. HG> how would you know that for R8, R4 is not an LFA as you do not know the prefix cost ? . - and in the intro you have mentioned that all is per-prefix LFA - perhaps a simple definition that all IP prefixes are advertised with zero cost would clear things. When the core link R8-R7 fails, R8 switches all traffic destined to all the PEx towards the edge node PE2. Hence an edge node and edge links are used to protect the failure of a core link. Typically, edge links have less capacity than core links and congestion may occur on PE2 links. Note that although PE2 was not directly affected by the failure, its links become congested and its traffic will suffer from the congestion. In summary, in case of failure, the impact on customer traffic is: HG> ... in case of {R7, R8} link failure ... o From PE2 point of view : * without LFA: no impact * with LFA: traffic is partially dropped (but possibly prioritized by a QoS mechanism). It must be highlighted that in such situation, traffic not affected by the failure may be affected by the congestion. o From R8 point of view: Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 4] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 * without LFA: traffic is totally dropped until convergence occurs. * with LFA: traffic is partially dropped (but possibly prioritized by a QoS mechanism). Besides the congestion aspects of using an Edge router as an alternate to protect a core failure, a service provider may consider this as a bad routing design and would like to prevent it. 2.2. Case 2: Edge router choosen to protect core failures while core LFA exists R1 --------- R2 ------------ R3 --------- R4 | 1 100 | 1 | | | | | 100 | 30 | 30 | | | | 1 50 50 | 10 | R5 -------- R6 ---- R10 ---- R7 -------- R8 --- R9 - PE1 | | \ | | 5000 | 5000 \ 5000 | 5000 | | \ | +--- n*PEx --+ +----- PE2 ----+ | | PEy Figure 2 Rx routers are core routers meshed with n*10G links. PEs are meshed using links with lower bandwidth. In the figure 2, let us consider the traffic coming from PE1 to PEx. Nominal path is R9-R8-R7-R10-R6-PEx. Let us consider the failure of the link R7-R8. For R8, R4 is a link-protecting LFA and PE2 is a node-protecting LFA. PE2 is chosen as best LFA due to its better protection type. Just like in case 1, this may lead to congestion on PE2 links upon LFA activation. 2.3. Case 3: suboptimal core alternate choice Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 5] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 +--- PE3 --+ / \ 1000 / \ 1000 / \ +----- R1 ---------------- R2 ----+ | | 500 | | | 10 | | | 10 | | | | R5 | 10 | 10 R7 | | | | | 10 | | | 10 | | 500 | | +---- R3 ---------------- R4 -----+ \ / 1000 \ / 1000 \ / +--- PE1 ---+ Figure 3 Rx routers are core routers. R1-R2 and R3-R4 links are 1G links. All others inter Rx links are 10G links. In the figure above, let us consider the failure of link R1-R3. For destination PE3, R3 has two possible alternates: o R4, which is node-protecting o R5, which is link-protecting R4 is chosen as best LFA due to its better protection type. However, it may not be desirable to use R4 for bandwidth capacity reason. A service provider may prefer to use high bandwidth links as prefered LFA. In this example, prefering shortest path over protection type may achieve the expected behavior, but in cases where metric are not reflecting bandwidth, it would not work and some other criteria would need to be involved when selecting the best LFA. 2.4. Case 4: ISIS overload bit on LFA computing node Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 6] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 P1 P2 | \ / | 50 | 50 \/ 50 | 50 | /\ | PE1-+ +-- PE2 \ / 45 \ / 45 -PE3-+ (OL set) Figure 4 In the figure above, PE3 has its overload bit set (permanently, for design reason) and wants to protect traffic using LFA for destination PE2. On PE3, the loopfree condition is not satisified : 100 !< 45 + 45. PE1 is thus not considered as an LFA. However thanks to the overload bit set on PE3, we know that PE1 is loopfree so PE1 is an LFA to reach PE2. In case of overload condition set on a node, LFA behavior must be clarified. 3. Need for coverage monitoring As per [RFC6571], LFA coverage highly depends on the used network topology. Even if remote LFA ([I-D.ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa]) extends significantly the coverage of the basic LFA specification, there is still some cases where protection would not be available. As network topologies are constantly evolving (network extension, capacity addings, latency optimization ...), the protection coverage may change. Fast reroute functionality may be critical for some services supported by the network, a service provider must constantly know what protection coverage is currently available on the network. Moreover, predicting the protection coverage in case of network topology change is mandatory. Today network simulation tool associated with whatif scenarios functionnality are often used by service providers for the overall network design (capacity, path optimization ...). Section 6.5, Section 6.4 and Section 6.3 of this document propose to add LFA informations into such tool and within routers, so a service provider may be able : o to evaluate protection coverage after a topology change. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 7] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 o to adjust the topology change to cover the primary need (e.g. latency optimization or bandwidth increase) as well as LFA protection. o monitor constantly the LFA coverage in the live network and being alerted. HG> you may want to tell what this requirement really means ... IMO it means that the per-vendor default LFA selection algo need to get documented for 3rd party offline tools and also those 3rd party modules need to have the ability to model some of the policy-LFA expression language. 4. Need for LFA activation granularity As all FRR mechanism, LFA installs backup paths in Forwarding Information Base (FIB). Depending of the hardware used by a service provider, FIB ressource may be critical. Activating LFA, by default, on all available components (IGP topologies, interface, address families ...) may lead to waste of FIB ressource as generally in a network only few destinations should be protected (e.g. loopback addresses supporting MPLS services) compared to the amount of destinations in RIB. Moreover a service provider may implement multiple different FRR mechanism in its networks for different usages (MRT, TE FRR), computing LFAs for prefixes or interfaces that are already protected by another mechanism is useless. HG> the last paragraph might be a bit misleading. - it still may be beneficial to have 'redundant' backup calculation methods (and the ability in policy language to select among protection protocols ... my point is that it is not entirely useless but rather 'redundant' Section 5 of this document propose some implementation guidelines. 5. Configuration requirements Controlling best alternate and LFA activation granularity is a requirement for Service Providers. This section defines configuration requirements for LFA. 5.1. LFA enabling/disabling scope The granularity of LFA activation should be controlled (as alternate nexthop consume memory in forwarding plane). An implementation of LFA SHOULD allow its activation with the following criteria: o Per address-family : ipv4 unicast, ipv6 unicast, LDP IPv4 unicast, LDP IPv6 unicast ... o Per routing context : VRF, virtual/logical router, global routing table, ... o Per interface o Per protocol instance, topology, area Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 8] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 o Per prefixes: prefix protection SHOULD have a better priority compared to interface protection. This means that if a specific prefix must be protected due to a configuration request, LFA must be computed and installed for this prefix even if the primary outgoing interface is not configured for protection. 5.2. Policy based LFA selection When multiple alternates exist, LFA selection algorithm is based on tie breakers. Current tie breakers do not provide sufficient control on how the best alternate is chosen. This document proposes an enhanced tie breaker allowing service providers to manage all specific cases: 1. An implementation of LFA SHOULD support policy-based decision for determining the best LFA. 2. Policy based decision SHOULD be based on multiple criterions, with each criteria having a level of preference. 3. If the defined policy does not permit to determine a unique best LFA, an implementation SHOULD pick only one based on its own decision, as a default behavior. An implementation SHOULD also support election of multiple LFAs, for loadbalancing purposes. 4. Policy SHOULD be applicable to a protected interface or to a specific set of destinations. In case of application on the protected interface, all destinations primarily routed on this interface SHOULD use the interface policy. 5. It is an implementation choice to reevaluate policy dynamically or not (in case of policy change). If a dynamic approach is chosen, the implementation SHOULD recompute the best LFAs and reinstall them in FIB, without service disruption. If a non- dynamic approach is chosen, the policy would be taken into account upon the next IGP event. In this case, the implementation SHOULD support a command to manually force the recomputation/reinstallation of LFAs. 5.2.1. Connected vs remote alternates In addition to direct LFAs, tunnels (e.g. IP, LDP or RSVP-TE) to distant routers may be used to complement LFA coverage (tunnel tail used as virtual neighbor). When a router has multiple alternate candidates for a specific destination, it may have connected alternates and remote alternates reachable via a tunnel. Connected alternates may not always provide an optimal routing path and it may be preferable to select a remote alternate over a connected Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 9] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 alternate. The usage of tunnels to extend LFA coverage is described in [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa]. HG> i just found in draft-ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa-10 a generic example of 'tunnel" which is to bridge divided P/Q spaces. so perhaps the reference is not the best one as it only discusses SPT/LDP tunnels and not "generic" tunnels. suggest to explicitly mention what sort of tunnels would be desireable (LDP, RSVP-TE, IGP-SR ...) In figure 1, there is no core alternate for R8 to reach PEs located behind R6, so R8 is using PE2 as alternate, which may generate congestion when FRR is activated. Instead, we could have a remote core alternate for R8 to protect PEs destinations. For example, a tunnel from R8 to R3 would ensure LFA protection without using an edge router to protect a core router. When selecting the best alternate, the selection algorithm MUST consider all available alternates (connected or tunnel). Especially, computation of PQ set ([I-D.ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa]) SHOULD be performed before best alternate selection. 5.2.2. Mandatory criteria An implementation of LFA MUST support the following criteria: o Non candidate link: A link marked as "non candidate" will never be used as LFA. o A primary nexthop being protected by another primary nexthop of the same prefix (ECMP case). o Type of protection provided by the alternate: link protection, node protection. In case of node protection preference, an implementation SHOULD support fallback to link protection if node protection is not available. o Shortest path: lowest IGP metric used to reach the destination. o SRLG (as defined in [RFC5286] Section 3, see also Section 5.2.6 for more details). 5.2.3. Enhanced criteria An implementation of LFA SHOULD support the following enhanced criteria: o Downstreamness of an alternate : preference of a downstream path over a non downstream path SHOULD be configurable. o Link coloring with : include, exclude and preference based system (see Section 5.2.7). HG> what about node-coloring / node-tags ? o Link Bandwidth (see Section 5.2.8). Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 10] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 o Alternate preference (see Section 5.2.9). 5.2.4. Retrieving alternate path attributes The policy to select the best alternate evaluate multiple criterions (e.g. metric, SRLG, link colors ...) which first need to be computed for each alternate.. In order to compare the different alternate path, a router must retrieve the attributes of each alternate path. The alternate path is composed of two distinct parts : PLR to alternate and alternate to destination. HG> node colors are missing in the enumeration. 5.2.4.1. Connected alternate For alternate path using a connected alternate : o attributes from PLR to alternate path are retrieved from the interface connected to the alternate. o attributes from alternate to destination path are retrieved from SPF rooted at the alternate. As the alternate is a connected alternate, the SPF has already been computed to find the alternate, so there is no need of additional computation. 5.2.4.2. Remote alternate For alternate path using a remote alternate (tunnel) : o attributes from the PLR to alternate path are retrieved using the PLR's primary SPF if P space is used or using the neighbor's SPF if extended P space is used, combined with the attributes of the link(s) to reach that neighbor. In both cases, no additional SPF is required. o attributes from alternate to destination path are retrieved from SPF rooted at the remote alternate. An additional forward SPF is required for each remote alternate as indicated in [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection] section 3.2.. The number of remote alternates may be very high, simulations shown that hundred's of PQs may exist for a single interface being protected. Running a forward SPF for every PQ-node in the network is not scalable. HG> The number of remote alternates may be very high. Simulations of real-world network topologies, reveal that order of hundrets of PQ ... To handle this situation, it is needed to limit the number of remote alternates to be evaluated to a finite number before collecting alternate path attributes and running the policy evaluation. [I- D.ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection] Section 2.3.3 provides a way to reduce the number of PQ to be evaluated. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 11] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 Link Remote Remote alternate alternate alternate ------------- ------------------ ------------- Alternates | LFA | | rLFA (PQs) | | Static | sources | | | | | tunnels | ------------- ------------------ ------------- | | | | | | | ---------------------- | | | Prune some PQs | | | | (sorting strategy) | | | ---------------------- | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------ | Collect alternate attributes | ------------------------------------------------ | | ------------------------- | Evaluate policy | ------------------------- | | Best alternates HG> why the constrain to 'static' tunnels ? - e.g. TI-LFA automatically computes EROs to next-next-hops - so 'dynamic' tunnels might be as well a source of reaching PQs - not just 'static'. 5.2.5. ECMP LFAs 10 PE2 - PE3 | | 50 | 5 | 50 P1----P2 \\ // 50 \\ // 50 PE1 Figure 5 Links between P1 and PE1 are L1 and L2, links between P2 and PE1 are L3 and L4 In the figure above, primary path from PE1 to PE2 is through P1 using ECMP on two parallel links L1 and L2. In case of standard ECMP behavior, if L1 is failing, postconvergence nexthop would become L2 and there would be no longer ECMP. If LFA is activated, as stated in [RFC5286] Section 3.4., "alternate next-hops may themselves also be primary next-hops, but need not be" and "alternate next-hops should Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 12] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 maximize the coverage of the failure cases". In this scenario there is no alternate providing node protection, LFA will so prefer L2 as alternate to protect L1 which makes sense compared to postconvergence behavior. Considering a different scenario using figure 5, where L1 and L2 are configured as a layer 3 bundle using a local feature, as well as L3/ L4 being a second layer 3 bundle. Layer 3 bundles are configured as if a link in the bundle is failing, the traffic must be rerouted out of the bundle. Layer 3 bundles are generally introduced to increase bandwidth between nodes. In nominal situation, ECMP is still available from PE1 to PE2, but if L1 is failing, postconvergence nexthop would become ECMP on L3 and L4. In this case, LFA behavior SHOULD be adapted in order to reflect the bandwidth requirement. We would expect the following FIB entry on PE1 : On PE1 : PE2 +--> ECMP -> L1 | | | +----> L2 | +--> LFA(ECMP) -> L3 | +---------> L4 If L1 or L2 is failing, traffic must be switched on the LFA ECMP bundle rather than using the other primary nexthop. As mentioned in [RFC5286] Section 3.4., protecting a link within an ECMP by another primary nexthop is not a MUST. Moreover, we already presented in this document, that maximizing the coverage of the failure case may not be the right approach and policy based choice of alternate may be preferred. An implementation SHOULD permit to prefer a primary nexthop by another primary nexthop with the possibility to deactivate this criteria. An implementation SHOULD permit to use an ECMP bundle as a LFA. HG> can you perhaps re-phrase 'to deactivate this criteria' - what is required is a LFA-selection algo which "does not degrade the bandwidth of the primary next-hop set. 5.2.6. SRLG [RFC5286] Section 3. proposes to reuse GMPLS IGP extensions to encode SRLGs ([RFC4205] and [RFC4203]). The section is also describing the algorithm to compute SRLG protection. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 13] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 When SRLG protection is computed, and implementation SHOULD permit to : o Exclude alternates violating SRLG. o Maintain a preference system between alternates based on number of SRLG violations : more violations = less preference. When applying SRLG criteria, the SRLG violation check SHOULD be performed on source to alternate as well as alternate to destination paths. In the case of remote LFA, PQ to destination path attributes would be retrieved from SPT rooted at PQ. HG> perhaps highlight that the SRLG violation computation is required between any SRLG on the primary-NH link AND the backup path to PQ and PQ to destination path. 5.2.7. Link coloring Link coloring is a powerful system to control the choice of alternates. Protecting interfaces are tagged with colors. Protected interfaces are configured to include some colors with a preference level, and exclude others. Link color information SHOULD be signalled in the IGP. How signalling is done is out of scope of the document but it may be useful to reuse existing admin-groups from traffic-engineering extensions. PE2 | +---- P4 | / PE1 ---- P1 --------- P2 | 10Gb 1Gb | | P3 Figure 5 Example : P1 router is connected to three P routers and two PEs. P1 is configured to protect the P1-P4 link. We assume that given the topology, all neighbors are candidate LFA. We would like to enforce a policy in the network where only a core router may protect against the failure of a core link, and where high capacity links are prefered. In this example, we can use the proposed link coloring by: o Marking PEs links with color RED Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 14] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 o Marking 10Gb CORE link with color BLUE o Marking 1Gb CORE link with color YELLOW o Configured the protected interface P1->P4 with : * Include BLUE, preference 200 * Include YELLOW, preference 100 * Exclude RED Using this, PE links will never be used to protect against P1-P4 link failure and 10Gb link will be be preferred. The main advantage of this solution is that it can easily be duplicated on other interfaces and other nodes without change. A Service Provider has only to define the color system (associate color with a significance), as it is done already for TE affinities or BGP communities. An implementation of link coloring: o SHOULD support multiple include and exclude colors on a single protected interface. o SHOULD provide a level of preference between included colors. o SHOULD support multiple colors configuration on a single protecting interface. HG> why no node-coloring example ? - even not based on admin-tags on lo0 interfaces ? 5.2.8. Bandwidth As mentionned in previous sections, not taking into account bandwidth of an alternate could lead to congestion during FRR activation. We propose to base the bandwidth criteria on the link speed information for the following reason : o if a router S has a set of X destinations primarly forwarded to N, using per prefix LFA may lead to have a subset of X protected by a neighbor N1, another subset by N2, another subset by Nx ... o S is not aware about traffic flows to each destination and is not able to evaluate how much traffic will be sent to N1,N2, ... Nx in case of FRR activation. Based on this, it is not useful to gather available bandwidth on alternate paths, as the router does not know how much bandwidth it Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 15] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 requires for protection. The proposed link speed approach provides a good approximation with a small cost as information is easily available. The bandwidth criteria of the policy framework SHOULD work in two ways : o PRUNE : exclude a LFA if link speed to reach it is lower than the link speed of the primary nexthop interface. o PREFER : prefer a LFA based on his bandwidth to reach it compared to the link speed of the primary nexthop interface. 5.2.9. Alternate preference HG> ahh here it is ;-) - can you change the section heading to "Node coloring" ? Rather than tagging interface on each node (using link color) to identify alternate node type (as example), it would be helpful if routers could be identified in the IGP. This would permit a grouped processing on multiple nodes. As an implementation need to exclude some specific alternates (see Section 5.2.3), an implementation : o SHOULD be able to give a preference to specific alternate. o SHOULD be able to give a preference to a group of alternate. o SHOULD be able to exclude a group of alternate. A specific alternate may be identified by its interface, IP address or router ID and group of alternates may be identified by a marker (tag) (for example, in case of ISIS protocol [I-D.ietf-isis-node-admin-tag] can be used) Consider the following network: Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 16] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 PE3 | | PE2 | +---- P4 | / PE1 ---- P1 -------- P2 | 10Gb 1Gb | | P3 Figure 6 In the example above, each node is configured with a specific tag flooded through the IGP. o PE1,PE3: 200 (non candidate). o PE2: 100 (edge/core). o P1,P2,P3: 50 (core). A simple policy could be configured on P1 to choose the best alternate for P1->P4 based on router function/role as follows : o criteria 1 -> alternate preference: exclude tag 100 and 200. o criteria 2 -> bandwidth. 6. Operational aspects 6.1. ISIS overload bit on LFA computing node In [RFC5286], Section 3.5, the setting of the overload bit condition in LFA computation is only taken into account for the case where a neighbor has the overload bit set. In addition to RFC 5286 inequality 1 Loop-Free Criterion (Distance_opt(N, D) < Distance_opt(N, S) + Distance_opt(S, D)), the IS-IS overload bit of the LFA calculating neighbor (S) SHOULD be taken into account. Indeed, if it has the overload bit set, no neighbor will loop back to traffic to itself. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 17] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 6.2. Manual triggering of FRR Service providers often perform manual link shutdown (using router CLI) to perform some network changes/tests. A manual link shutdown may be done at multiple level : physical interface, logical interface, IGP interface, BFD session ... Especially testing or troubleshooting FRR requires to perform the manual shutdown on the remote end of the link as generally a local shutdown would not trigger FRR. To enhance such situation, an implementation SHOULD support triggering/activating LFA Fast Reroute for a given link when a manual shutdown is done on a component that currently supports FRR activation. An implementation MAY also support FRR activation for a specific interface or a specific prefix on a primary next-hop interface and revert without any action on any running component of the node (links or protocols). In this use case, the FRR activation time need to be controlled by a timer in case the operator forgot to revert traffic on primary path. When the timer expires, the traffic is automatically reverted to the primary path. This will make easier tests of fast-reroute path and then revert back to the primary path without causing a global network convergence. For example : o if an implementation supports FRR activation upon BFD session down event, this implementation SHOULD support FRR activation when a manual shutdown is done on the BFD session. But if an implementation does not support FRR activation on BFD session down, there is no need for this implementation to support FRR activation on manual shutdown of BFD session. o if an implementation supports FRR activation on physical link down event (e.g. Rx laser Off detection, or error threshold raised ...), this implementation SHOULD support FRR activation when a manual shutdown at physical interface is done. But if an implementation does not support FRR activation on physical link down event, there is no need for this implementation to support FRR activation on manual physical link shutdown. o A CLI command may permit to switch from primary path to FRR path for testing FRR path for a specific. There is no impact on controlplane, only dataplane of the local node could be changed. A similar command may permit to switch back traffic from FRR path to primary path. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 18] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 6.3. Required local information LFA introduction requires some enhancement in standard routing information provided by implementations. Moreover, due to the non 100% coverage, coverage informations is also required. Hence an implementation : o MUST be able to display, for every prefixes, the primary nexthop as well as the alternate nexthop information. o MUST provide coverage information per activation domain of LFA (area, level, topology, instance, virtual router, address family ...). o MUST provide number of protected prefixes as well as non protected prefixes globally. o SHOULD provide number of protected prefixes as well as non protected prefixes per link. o MAY provide number of protected prefixes as well as non protected prefixes per priority if implementation supports prefix-priority insertion in RIB/FIB. o SHOULD provide a reason for chosing an alternate (policy and criteria) and for excluding an alternate. o SHOULD provide the list of non protected prefixes and the reason why they are not protected (no protection required or no alternate available). 6.4. Coverage monitoring It is pretty easy to evaluate the coverage of a network in a nominal situation, but topology changes may change the coverage. In some situations, the network may no longer be able to provide the required level of protection. Hence, it becomes very important for service providers to get alerted about changes of coverage. An implementation SHOULD : o provide an alert system if total coverage (for a node) is below a defined threshold or comes back to a normal situation. o provide an alert system if coverage of a specific link is below a defined threshold or comes back to a normal situation. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 19] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 An implementation MAY : o provide an alert system if a specific destination is not protected anymore or when protection comes back up for this destination Although the procedures for providing alerts are beyond the scope of this document, we recommend that implementations consider standard and well used mechanisms like syslog or SNMP traps. 6.5. LFA and network planning The operator may choose to run simulations in order to ensure full coverage of a certain type for the whole network or a given subset of the network. This is particularly likely if he operates the network in the sense of the third backbone profiles described in [RFC6571], that is, he seeks to design and engineer the network topology in a way that a certain coverage is always achieved. Obviously a complete and exact simulation of the IP FRR coverage can only be achieved, if the behavior is deterministic and if the algorithm used is available to the simulation tool. Thus, an implementation SHOULD: o Behave deterministic in its selection LFA process. I.e. in the same topology and with the same policy configuration, the implementation MUST always choose the same alternate for a given prefix. o Document its behavior. The implementation SHOULD provide enough documentation of its behavior that allows an implementer of a simulation tool, to foresee the exact choice of the LFA implementation for every prefix in a given topology. This SHOULD take into account all possible policy configuration options. One possible way to document this behavior is to disclose the algorithm used to choose alternates. 7. Security Considerations This document does not introduce any change in security consideration compared to [RFC5286]. 8. Contributors Significant contributions were made by Pierre Francois, Hannes Gredler, Chris Bowers, Jeff Tantsura, Uma Chunduri and Mustapha Aissaoui which the authors would like to acknowledge. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 20] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 9. Acknowledgements 10. IANA Considerations This document has no action for IANA. 11. References 11.1. Normative References [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. [RFC4203] Kompella, K. and Y. Rekhter, "OSPF Extensions in Support of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)", RFC 4203, October 2005. [RFC4205] Kompella, K. and Y. Rekhter, "Intermediate System to Intermediate System (IS-IS) Extensions in Support of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)", RFC 4205, October 2005. [RFC5286] Atlas, A. and A. Zinin, "Basic Specification for IP Fast Reroute: Loop-Free Alternates", RFC 5286, September 2008. [RFC5307] Kompella, K. and Y. Rekhter, "IS-IS Extensions in Support of Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS)", RFC 5307, October 2008. [RFC6571] Filsfils, C., Francois, P., Shand, M., Decraene, B., Uttaro, J., Leymann, N., and M. Horneffer, "Loop-Free Alternate (LFA) Applicability in Service Provider (SP) Networks", RFC 6571, June 2012. 11.2. Informative References [I-D.ietf-isis-node-admin-tag] Sarkar, P., Gredler, H., Hegde, S., Litkowski, S., Decraene, B., Li, Z., Aries, E., Rodriguez, R., and H. Raghuveer, "Advertising Per-node Admin Tags in IS-IS", draft-ietf-isis-node-admin-tag-00 (work in progress), December 2014. [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa] Bryant, S., Filsfils, C., Previdi, S., Shand, M., and N. So, "Remote Loop-Free Alternate Fast Re-Route", draft- ietf-rtgwg-remote-lfa-10 (work in progress), January 2015. Litkowski, et al. Expires July 17, 2015 [Page 21] Internet-Draft LFA manageability January 2015 [I-D.ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection] Sarkar, P., Gredler, H., Hegde, S., Bowers, C., Litkowski, S., and H. Raghuveer, "Remote-LFA Node Protection and Manageability", draft-ietf-rtgwg-rlfa-node-protection-01 (work in progress), December 2014. Authors' Addresses Stephane Litkowski Orange Email: stephane.litkowski@orange.com Bruno Decraene Orange Email: bruno.decraene@orange.com Clarence Filsfils Cisco Systems Email: cfilsfil@cisco.com Kamran Raza Cisco Systems Email: skraza@cisco.com Martin Horneffer Deutsche Telekom Email: Martin.Horneffer@telekom.de Pushpasis Sarkar Juniper Networks Email: psarkar@juniper.net Litkowski, et al. 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Authors, please do address these comments. thanks, Alia On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Hannes Gredler (hannes@juniper.net) < hannes@juniper.net> wrote: > fellow authors of draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07, routing-ADs, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes > on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to > the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, plea= se > see =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Las= t > Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07 > Reviewer: HANNES GREDLER > Review Date: 26 JAN 2015 > Intended Status: STANDARDS TRACK > > Summary: > I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be > resolved before publication. > > Comments: > please see attached/annotated version - all commenst are prefixed by HG>. > > thanks, > > /hannes > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:28:36PM +0000, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: > | Hi Hannes, > | > | The Chairs have asked if can have a review of this document (just > passed > | last call, would like a review before sending to IESG) - can > | you do it? > | > | Thanks, > | Deborah > | > --089e0158bc66392493050d90f99f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hannes,

Thanks very much for your revie= w.

Authors, please do address these comments.

thanks,
Alia

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Han= nes Gredler (hannes@juniper.net) = <hannes@juniper.net> wrote:
fellow authors of draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07, routing-ADs,
I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. Th= e Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts= as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on spec= ial request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Rout= ing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see =E2= =80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo= uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Ca= ll comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion= or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-lfa-manageability-07
Reviewer: HANNES GREDLER
Review Date: 26 JAN 2015
Intended Status: STANDARDS TRACK

Summary:
I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resol= ved before publication.

Comments:
please see attached/annotated version - all commenst are prefixed by HG>= .

thanks,

/hannes

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 06:28:36PM +0000, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote:
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Hannes,
|
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Chairs have asked if can have a review of this document = (just passed
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 last call, would like a review before sending to=C2=A0 IESG)= - can
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 you do it?
|
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,
|=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Deborah
|

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Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:07:33 -0600 From: "Keyur Patel (keyupate)" To: "George, Wes" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 Thread-Index: AQHQMFUwmXiwA7LJJUuMu46WFdPmXZzM0tgA//+EHYCAAMgeAIAKXSiA Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 20:07:33 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-originating-ip: [10.24.54.92] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D0EFD2F0E4A7keyupateciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 20:07:39 -0000 --_000_D0EFD2F0E4A7keyupateciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wes, Looks good to me. Regards, Keyur From: , Wes > Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:51 PM To: Keyur Patel >, "rtg-ads@t= ools.ietf.org" > Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" >, "draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration-02 Section 3: Can we replace the reference of companies with SPs? WG] no, because it is equally applicable to two companies (say enterprises)= that are merging their networks using AS Migration. #Keyur: It would be nice to maintain consistency for better readability. I = suggest use either companies or Sps or something else that can represent bo= th. WG2] Ok, I see what you're saying now. I changed the first one to SPs as we= ll, but added the following text at the end: "Note: While this document primarily discusses service provider considerati= ons, it is not solely applicable to SPs, as enterprises often migrate betwe= en ASNs using the same functionality. " Section 5.2: Can we refer to the fact that this is the only case where an = extra signing is done for before sending an update to an IBGP session? WG] Doesn't the last sentence do this by highlighting the deviation from no= rmal behavior? I can't say categorically that this is the only case, as at = some point in the future there may be another. Best I could do is to say th= at "as of time of writing this is the only=85" but I don't see how that add= s much to what is already there. Open to discussion to the contrary, of cou= rse. #Keyur: The last sentence wasn=92t that clear. I thought it was important a= s I don=92t recall bgpsec signing ibgp updates (as of now in any other case= ). This would be a special one (as of now) :) . WG2] I reworded. How's this: 5.2 "When a PE router receives an update from an eBGP neighbor that is loca= lly configured with AS-migration knobs (i.e. the opposite direction of the = previous route flow), it MUST generate a signature from the old (local) ASN= forward signing to the new (global) ASN with pCount=3D0. It is not necessa= ry to generate the second signature from the new (global) ASN because the A= SBR will generate that when it forward signs towards its eBGP peers as defi= ned in normal BGPSec operation. Note that a signature is not normally added= when a routing update is sent across an iBGP session. The requirement to s= ign updates in iBGP represents a change to the normal behavior for this spe= cific AS-migration implementation only." Wes ________________________________ This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable propri= etary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyrig= ht belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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Hi Wes,

Looks good to me.

Regards,
Keyur

From: <George>, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at= 1:51 PM
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Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" <rtg-dir@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org<= /a>" <dra= ft-ietf-sidr-as-migration.all@tools.ietf.org>
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Section 3: Can we replace the reference of companies with SPs?
WG] no, because it is equally applicable to two companies (say enterpr= ises) that are merging their networks using AS Migration.

#Keyur: It would be nice to maintain consistency for better readabilit= y. I suggest use either companies or Sps or something else that can represe= nt both.

WG2] Ok, I see what you're saying now. I changed the first one to SPs = as well, but added the following text at the end:
"Note: While this document primarily discusses service provider c= onsiderations, it is not solely applicable to SPs, as enterprises often mig= rate between ASNs using the same functionality. "

Section 5.2:  Can we refer to the fact that this is the only case= where an extra signing is done for before sending an update to an IBGP ses= sion?

WG] Doesn't the last sentence do this by highlighting the deviation fr= om normal behavior? I can't say categorically that this is the only case, as at some point = in the future there may be another. Best I could do is to say that "as= of time of writing this is the only=85" but I don't see how that adds= much to what is already there. Open to discussion to the contrary, of course. 

#Keyur: The last sentence wasn=92t that clear. I thought it was impo= rtant as I don=92t recall bgpsec signing ibgp updates (as of now in any oth= er case). This would be a special one (as of now) :) .

WG2] I reworded. How's this:
5.2 "When a PE router receives an update from an eBGP neighbor th= at is locally configured with AS-migration knobs (i.e. the opposite directi= on of the previous route flow), it MUST generate a signature from the old (= local) ASN forward signing to the new (global) ASN with pCount=3D0. It is not necessary to generate the second s= ignature from the new (global) ASN because the ASBR will generate that when= it forward signs towards its eBGP peers as defined in normal BGPSec operat= ion. Note that a signature is not normally added when a routing update is sent across an iBGP session. The r= equirement to sign updates in iBGP represents a change to the normal behavi= or for this specific AS-migration implementation only."

Wes

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