From nobody Mon Feb 2 10:37:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EA61A884E; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id It3Tq__m4fQP; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9C311A87A9; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t12IbA5T030639; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:37:10 GMT Received: from 950129200 (089144215032.atnat0024.highway.a1.net [89.144.215.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t12Ib84J030613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:37:09 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Leeyoung'" , "'Lou Berger'" , "'Tomonori Takeda'" , References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7B111@dfweml706-chm> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7C7D3@dfweml706-chm> <54C279EE.3070200@labn.net> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7E063@dfweml706-chm> <54C28342.8040606@labn.net> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7E0BA@dfweml706-chm> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7E0BA@dfweml706-chm> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:37:07 -0000 Message-ID: <011d01d03f17$413d52c0$c3b7f840$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHf3fFwHIohxEP+64swMOaqflviLAG+Thr2AhpxmwsB55H6vwH0UPS1AqpUmUECcLI06gHUAM8FAiXsnlycOCUdAA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21300.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--39.460-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--39.460-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 8HTFlOrbAtGXKs94NAOH8ru9iqQJLR0vk8UlXQzLGby2F4a+vI22PkoX KBbeyLpPTWLw2jvbfpwQIIqVNQDiwQkSzeMXko3JlVHM/F6YkvSp7eIcybi6odJgDNnoqapa++3 gQ26tbbjuzcUA0q2gBTeT288mssTUC4+rppBRJ3bDr0AjBcmfRhZO94uK1VSBX5ol8zUEkXx5LC y5OWaU1Fulu2xVUpYqQnGWzKenedTDkHnJwIRKWxVXx+49zfW31kqyrcMalqWsafcFLFlU1HENj fFARL3nCtOd6Fi7KxAopAQlzvHAh3qSLwsG0mU0EPf7TDUOGopTes6dDCWUQxL6MU7t349blrmn v6uGqHH1uSXrxAlVTKQPGNuwxITiXBtzGjIuBpn6daZahG7qsQeCHewokHM/LzNBnatH86nrvMp CIr/ArJTR8dO1sjyqBK/0EBgIJCIlVaqTQ2WNXPzu9Lw9C7fAo8tN19oTXleJ6icw2HMxEJYnCY jfX1IRERiBVxMZi/F+R+CMyT2S945S/4bo68Nb2OSj4qJA9QYYrnuRn/aZqQ2G3vz8l/IEFM7Yd tmBCGh3250SfQPJ3UaFycOdfe/ZxAFMYEMzeR1u4W5gEinK6UDwlkRNC6PCyL0CMroLynVY7aa4 /f753JxiKuuiWeaODXt87zYS/45R6DT7jy4uvXBRIrj8R47FGW6TfocNCnuX1RWcrwojHBFxevg Hxu1O2s6JOBmw1fKNqIq1NZDvDhnQcX6X6WNYeP1J5vpgPKfHeXKrbMIpACzUMV4ULgLdN1SzVL YnI7pq1c7VkTNDaZSY3T4pUgS4B7wMVHvtNz2eAiCmPx4NwFkMvWAuahr8p2c3EY8h4cmrusVRy 4an8bxAi7jPoeEQftwZ3X11IV0= Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:37:23 -0000 I think that the bottom line of this thread was a new revision = clarifying sub-matrix and bidirectional link sets. Then (hopefully) we're done. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: 23 January 2015 17:25 > To: Lou Berger; Tomonori Takeda; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt >=20 > Lou, >=20 > I can add some clarifying text in the next revision. >=20 > Thanks, > Young >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:22 AM > To: Leeyoung; Tomonori Takeda; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt >=20 > Young, >=20 > On 1/23/2015 11:51 AM, Leeyoung wrote: > > Hi Lou, > > > > Are you referring 'any specific language changes' to Adrian's = 'Resource' > language? > Actually, no. > > If so, yes, I expect Adrian's input on where to place any changes in = the draft. > Other than that I believe the version 17 (which was published) = reflects > Tomonori's rtg-dir review. Let me know if you believe any other aspect = (other > than 'resource' language) should be updated in the upcoming version = 18. >=20 > I may have misunderstood the thread below, but I read it as there are > two areas in -17 that should be clarified. >=20 > Thanks, > Lou >=20 > > Thanks, > > Young > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:42 AM > > To: Tomonori Takeda; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt > > > > Young, > > Can you review any changes planned as a result of the rtg-dir = review? > > Please also include any specific language changes, that you may have > > already identified. > > > > Thanks, > > Lou (as doc Shepherd) > > > > On 01/23/2015 03:01 AM, Tomonori Takeda wrote: > >> Hi Young, > >> > >> OK, thanks, > >> > >> Tomonori > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:44 AM > >> To: Tomonori = Takeda=EF=BC=88=E6=AD=A6=E7=94=B0=E7=9F=A5=E5=85=B8=EF=BC=89; Leeyoung; = rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt > >> > >> Hi Tomonori, > >> > >> Thanks for your comment. Please see in-line for my response. Please = let me > know if the response would satisfy you. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Young > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tomonori Takeda [mailto:tomonori.takeda@ntt.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48 AM > >> To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda > >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt > >> > >> Hi Young, > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Two follow-up questions/comments. > >> (I am fine with other points, which you already addressed in the = updated > draft.) > >> > >>> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same = {src port, src > label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be > = "two matrices > will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will = not have the > same {dst port, dst label}"? > >>> > >>> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For = instance, if we > have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels = > each. > Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I = think with the > current statement, we can send this info in any combination > of = multiple > matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would = not be able > send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this > not be made = possible? My > take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint = quadruples, that > should be allowed. > >> My reading of "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src = label, dst > port, dst label}" is as follows. > >> > >> > >> > >> input port=3D1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=3D2 > >> input label=3D1 output label=3D1 > >> > >> input port=3D1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=3D2 > >> input label=3D1 output label=3D2 > >> > >> This is allowed. > >> > >> > >> > >> input port=3D1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=3D2 > >> input label=3D1 output label=3D1 > >> > >> input port=3D1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=3D2 > >> input label=3D1 output label=3D1 > >> > >> This is not allowed. > >> > >> > >> > >> input port=3D1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=3D2 > >> input label=3D1 output label=3D1 > >> > >> input port=3D1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=3D2 > >> input label=3D2 output label=3D2 > >> > >> This is allowed. > >> > >> Is above understanding correct? > >> If so, I am not sure how example A works, since I am not sure what = is the > indentifier to direct from input to each submatrix. > >> > >> Maybe I am mis-understanding what sub-matrix is. I thought = sub-matrix is a > sort of virtual node, splitting the single matrix (or switch) into = smaller pieces. > >> > >> YOUNG>> OK, I think the definition of submatrix was not clear. It = is simply > dividing up a matrix into several pieces in case the size of the = matrix becomes too > big or a way to advertize the changed port/label set in one place = (sub-matrix) > then other unchanged port/label set in other place (different = sub-matrix). The > identifier for each sub-matrix is the MATRIX ID. There is not separate = identifier to > direct from input. The input is a part of the sub-matrix. Say if we = have N*M > matrix that describes all input and output port/label. We might divide = up into > N*(M-L) and N*L or any other combinations as far as they are all = disjoint from > each other. > >> > >>> 4) In section 2.1, for Link Set A dir=3Dbidirectional, Link Set B = dir=3Dbidirectional, if > any signal on an input link X is output on a link Y, then any > signal = on an input link > Y is output on a link X (after cross-connect)? Or any constraint on = such signal flow > (after cross-connect) is out of scope? > >>> > >>> > I am not sure what "after cross-connect" is meant. > >> > >> > >> Link set A: link#1, link#2, link#3 > >> Link set B: link#4, link#5, link#6 > >> > >> Both of Link set A and Link set B are specified as "dir". > >> > >> In this case, > >> - Is it possible to problem the cross-connect as input=3Dlink#1, = output=3Dlink#4 > >> & input=3Dlink#5, output=3Dlink#1 simultaneolusly? > >> - Or is it automatically assumed if input=3Dlink#1, = output=3Dlink#4, > >> then input=3Dlink#4, output=3Dlink#1? > >> - Or this sort of constraint is not specified in Link Set Field? > >> > >> The text seems like saying the first option, but I do not think = this is a common > equipment implementaion. > >> > >> YOUGN>> OK. I think I understand you more clearly. For this case > (bidirectional link sets), the first case is definitely not the = intention. The second > case is assumed. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tomonori > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:54 AM > >> To: Tomonori = Takeda=EF=BC=88=E6=AD=A6=E7=94=B0=E7=9F=A5=E5=85=B8=EF=BC=89; = rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt > >> > >> Hi Tomonori, > >> > >> Thanks for providing good comments. Here's my response. Please see = in-line. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Young > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Tomonori Takeda > >> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:59 AM > >> To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > >> Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: = draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint- > encode-16.txt > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this = draft. The > Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they > pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special = request. > The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. = For more > information about the Routing Directorate, please see=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > >> > >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing = ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call > comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by > updating the draft. > >> > >> Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > >> Reviewer: Tomonori Takeda > >> Review Date: 17 January, 2015 > >> IETF LC End Date: 17 January, 2015 > >> Intended Status: Standards Track > >> > >> Summary: > >> > >> This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that = should be > considered prior to publication. > >> > >> Comments: > >> > >> This document specifies protocol-agnostic encodings for general = information > elements described in draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info. > >> I think the document is in good shape but there are a few points = that should > be clarified for better understanding. > >> > >> Major Issues: > >> > >> None > >> > >> Minor Issues: > >> > >> None > >> > >> Nits: > >> > >> 1) In section 1.2, label continuity constraint (e.g., wavelength = continuity in > WSON) is mentioned. However, I am not sure whether information = elements for > which this document specifies encodings can describe such constraint. = My > reading is that information element such as Port Label Restriction is = rather for > describing wavelength tuning capabilities/restrictions. > >> > >> YOUNG>> Label continuity constraints can be inferred from the two = places in > the draft: (i) Port Label Restriction, which gives the set of labels = (wavelengths) > that may not be available on certain links including tuning = range/restriction; (ii) > Available/Shared Backup Label Fields (section 2.4 & section 2.5). = There is no > encoding for label continuity constraint per se. The aforementioned = constraints > are encoded to give a node or a PCE to be able to compute a path = (i.e., path with > wavelength continuity) subject to these constraints. > >> > >> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same = {src port, src > label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be = "two matrices will > not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not = have the same > {dst port, dst label}"? > >> > >> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For = instance, if we > have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels = each. Then > we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think = with the current > statement, we can send this info in any combination of multiple = matrices, which I > think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send = (1,1,2,1) and > (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this not be made possible? My take is as = long as > each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be = allowed. > >> > >> 3) In section 2.1, it says "The value of 0xFF is reserved for use = with port > wavelength constraints". I think "port wavelength constraints" should = be "port > label restriction". > >> > >> YOUNG>> Yes, thanks. > >> > >> 4) In section 2.1, for Link Set A dir=3Dbidirectional, Link Set B = dir=3Dbidirectional, if > any signal on an input link X is output on a link Y, then any signal = on an input link Y > is output on a link X (after cross-connect)? Or any constraint on such = signal flow > (after cross-connect) is out of scope? > >> > >> YOUNG>> I am not sure what "after cross-connect" is meant. > >> > >> 5) In section 2.2.1, it says "In this case the accompanying label = set indicates the > labels permitted on the port." I think "port" should be "port/matrix". > >> > >> YOUNG>> Yes, thanks. > >> > >> 6) In section 2.2.2, it would be better to describe the type (e.g., = integer) for > MaxNumChannels. > >> This also applies for MaxLabelRange (in section 2.2.3) and Num = Labels (in > section 2.6). > >> > >> YOUNG>> OK. > >> > >> 7) In section 2.6, it says "Label Set Field is used within the = or > the ". But I think Label Set Field is also used = within > SIMPLE_LABEL, LABEL_RANGE and SIMPLE_LABEL & CHANNEL_COUNT. > >> > >> YOUNG>> Yes, it is used in multiple places. > >> > >> How about: > >> OLD: Label Set Field is used within the or the > >> , which is defined in Section 2.4. and 2.5., > >> respectively. > >> NEW: Label Set Field is used within the or the > >> , which is defined in Section 2.4. and 2.5., > >> respectively. It is also used within the , > >> , or , which is > defined > >> in Sections 2.1.1 - 2.1.4, respectively. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tomonori > >> From nobody Mon Feb 2 13:09:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B4F1A1A46; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:09:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=0.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ck39CBqOKn3s; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher 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X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: newdragon.webhostserver.biz: authenticated_id: lberger@blabn.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Cc: "'rtg-dir@ietf.org'" , "'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'" , "'ccamp@ietf.org'" , Tomonori Takeda , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:28:47 -0000 Hi Young, I see you just published an update. I have one question below. On 1/23/2015 3:01 AM, Tomonori Takeda wrote: > Hi Young, > > OK, thanks, > > Tomonori > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:44 AM > To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hi Tomonori, > > Thanks for your comment. Please see in-line for my response. Please let me know if the response would satisfy you. > > Best regards, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomonori Takeda [mailto:tomonori.takeda@ntt.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48 AM > To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda > Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hi Young, > > Thanks. > > Two follow-up questions/comments. > (I am fine with other points, which you already addressed in the updated draft.) > >> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be > "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? >> >> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels > each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination > of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this > not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. > My reading of "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}" is as follows. > > > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=2 > > This is allowed. > > > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > This is not allowed. > > > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 > input label=1 output label=1 > > input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 > input label=2 output label=2 > > This is allowed. > > Is above understanding correct? > If so, I am not sure how example A works, since I am not sure what is the indentifier to direct from input to each submatrix. > > Maybe I am mis-understanding what sub-matrix is. I thought sub-matrix is a sort of virtual node, splitting the single matrix (or switch) into smaller pieces. Can you explain how the revised text clarifies this point? Thanks, Lou > .... From nobody Mon Feb 2 13:39:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99541A037A; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:39:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yXFTiM3t-Nf; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2::152:127]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D283B1A90FB; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.154.208.88] (128-107-239-235.cisco.com [128.107.239.235]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A39480B9; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:39:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 13:38:58 -0800 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [RTG-DIR] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:39:12 -0000 Hi I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 Reviewer: Stig Venaas Review Date: 2 February 2015 IETF LC End Date: 2 February 2015 Intended Status: Proposed Standard Summary: The document is fairly well written. I only found minor editorial issues, plus potentially a missing IANA action. The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global Table Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route-distinguisher-types.xhtml Minor issues: Section 3: The reader is suppose to be familiar with MVPN procedures and ^^^^^^^^ although this by no means imply that this alternative ^^^^^^ 5.1.2. Routes re-avertise by PE or ASBR ^^^^^^^^^^^ 5.2.2. Routes re-avertise by PE or ASBR ^^^^^^^^^^^ Stig From nobody Mon Feb 2 14:15:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65741A0252; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=0.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4rmSJzQyE7M; Mon, 2 Feb 2015 14:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 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Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stig Venaas , draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> In-Reply-To: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , irene.grosclaude@orange-ftgroup.com, "N.Leymann@telekom.de" , samirsaad1@outlook.com, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org, "thomas.morin@orange.com" , "erosen@juniper.net" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:38:30 -0000 Folks, First we have a problem with the draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast aliases. The mail does not go directly to most of the authors, even though I guess the authors should see this through the mpls wg list. I've copied the authors with their addresses directly. Stig, See inline please. On 2015-02-03 05:38, Stig Venaas wrote: > Hi > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and > sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > Directorate, please see ​ > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > Reviewer: Stig Venaas > Review Date: 2 February 2015 > IETF LC End Date: 2 February 2015 > Intended Status: Proposed Standard > > Summary: > The document is fairly well written. I only found minor editorial > issues, plus potentially a missing IANA action. Section 15 is the IANA section, can you be mote specific about "potentially a missing IANA action"? /Loa > > The document states in e.g. > 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global Table Multicast > that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for (*,G)-state. > Is this use of RD defined in another document? Shouldn't RD type > 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in > http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route-distinguisher-types.xhtml > > > Minor issues: > > Section 3: > The reader is suppose to be familiar with MVPN procedures and > ^^^^^^^^ > > although this by no means imply that this alternative > ^^^^^^ > > 5.1.2. Routes re-avertise by PE or ASBR > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > 5.2.2. Routes re-avertise by PE or ASBR > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Stig > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue Feb 3 05:59:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB6E1A0398 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:59:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U2dwZEQf0cdE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C1471A0362 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21537 invoked by uid 0); 3 Feb 2015 13:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2015 13:59:52 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id npzZ1p00J2SSUrH01pzc3z; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 06:59:51 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=J8Y5smXS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=Vhvw94NMJWsA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=0HtSIViG9nkA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=i0EeH86SAAAA:8 a=CyRW7yT0AAAA:8 a=WUNZ9BdeMR4-110n6a8A:9 a=nD5RYZfzY6wZS5Vn:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=lbt/L9aSZIMEWlo42NcFLPXnWqWJ+hT2eeKfM+/kLeI=; b=JYJXDJvTICrt+L/WSRZgXCsHNYhdZzzfBPH1SgjmcsaElMgMwQl6RoDdC6bfK4OB11q+sDuchH9OtwsEAeMCEUrELhkJQQwBFYSegqEoj2oaSFmrC4ReDXm1h1txD0nM; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:35342 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YIe0r-0004nu-MD; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 06:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: <54D0D43E.1010702@labn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:59:26 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leeyoung References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7B111@dfweml706-chm> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7C7D3@dfweml706-chm> <54CFEC08.7010304@labn.net> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C80259@dfweml706-chm> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C80259@dfweml706-chm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: "'rtg-dir@ietf.org'" , "'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "'ccamp@ietf.org'" , Tomonori Takeda Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:59:56 -0000 Young, I guess I didn't see the new text as substantively different or more informative than preceding text: ... There may be more than one matrix associated with a node as the node can partition the switch matrix into several sub- matrices for various reasons such as incremental updates, etc. When the matrix is partitioned into sub-matrices, it is envisioned that they are mutually exclusive to one another in representing which ports/labels are associated with each sub-matrix. This implies that two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}. I'd suggest directly addressing the ambiguity by revising the first sentence and "for various reasons such as incremental updates, etc. " in particular. Perhaps "primarily to limit the size of any individual information element used to represent the matrix." or however else you'd like to capture the intent. Lou On 2/2/2015 5:15 PM, Leeyoung wrote: > Hi Lou, > > The original question Tomonori raised was if sub-matrices are like virtual nodes attached to connectivity matrix. The answer was no, and sub-matrix is simply a partition of connectivity matrix into smaller pieces. To that end, I added the following text in Section 2.1 > > Each sub-matrix is assigned a unique Matrix ID to represent a > mutually exclusive set of {src port, src label, dst port, dst label} > from other sub-matrices. > > Let me know what you think. > > Thanks, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 3:29 PM > To: Leeyoung > Cc: Tomonori Takeda; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Hi Young, > > I see you just published an update. I have one question below. > > On 1/23/2015 3:01 AM, Tomonori Takeda wrote: >> Hi Young, >> >> OK, thanks, >> >> Tomonori >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:44 AM >> To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hi Tomonori, >> >> Thanks for your comment. Please see in-line for my response. Please let me know if the response would satisfy you. >> >> Best regards, >> Young >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tomonori Takeda [mailto:tomonori.takeda@ntt.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48 AM >> To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda >> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hi Young, >> >> Thanks. >> >> Two follow-up questions/comments. >> (I am fine with other points, which you already addressed in the updated draft.) >> >>> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be > "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? >>> >>> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels > each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination > of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this > not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. >> My reading of "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}" is as follows. >> >> >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=2 >> >> This is allowed. >> >> >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> This is not allowed. >> >> >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >> input label=1 output label=1 >> >> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >> input label=2 output label=2 >> >> This is allowed. >> >> Is above understanding correct? >> If so, I am not sure how example A works, since I am not sure what is the indentifier to direct from input to each submatrix. >> >> Maybe I am mis-understanding what sub-matrix is. I thought sub-matrix is a sort of virtual node, splitting the single matrix (or switch) into smaller pieces. > Can you explain how the revised text clarifies this point? > > Thanks, > Lou > >> .... 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Leaf A-D Route for Global Table > Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for > (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? No it isn't. > Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in > http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route-distinguisher-types.xhtml Stig, I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a future draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should ask IANA to assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this document". Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early allocation ;-) Eric P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. 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helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1YIhAM-00041F-8E; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:21:34 -0700 Message-ID: <54D1039A.8030301@labn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:21:30 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leeyoung References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7B111@dfweml706-chm> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C7C7D3@dfweml706-chm> <54CFEC08.7010304@labn.net> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C80259@dfweml706-chm> <54D0D43E.1010702@labn.net> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C805B8@dfweml706-chm> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729C805B8@dfweml706-chm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: "'rtg-dir@ietf.org'" , "'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "'ccamp@ietf.org'" , Tomonori Takeda Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:23:10 -0000 Young, I think we're close, but lets tighten up the language a bit. On 2/3/2015 12:08 PM, Leeyoung wrote: > Lou, > > OK, How about: > > OLD > > ... There may be more than one matrix associated with > a node as the node can partition the switch matrix into several sub- > matrices for various reasons such as incremental updates, etc. When > the matrix is partitioned into sub-matrices, it is envisioned that > they are mutually exclusive to one another in representing which > ports/labels are associated with each sub-matrix. This implies that > two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, > dst label}. > > Each sub-matrix is assigned a unique Matrix ID to represent a > mutually exclusive set of {src port, src label, dst port, dst label} > from other sub-matrices. > > NEW: > > ... There may be more than one matrix associated with > a node as the node can partition the switch matrix into several sub- > matrices for various reasons primarily to limit the size of any > individual information element used to represent the matrix or allow > incremental updates, etc. When the matrix is partitioned into > sub-matrices, it is envisioned that they are mutually exclusive to > one another in representing which ports/labels are associated with > each sub-matrix. This implies that two matrices will not have the > same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}. > > Each sub-matrix is assigned a unique Matrix ID to represent a > mutually exclusive set of {src port, src label, dst port, dst label} > from other sub-matrices. How about: There may be more than one Field associated with a node as a node can partition the switch matrix into several sub- matrices. This partitioning is primarily to limit the size of any individual information element used to represent the matrix and to enable incremental updates. When the matrix is partitioned into sub-matrices, each sub-matrix will be mutually exclusive to one another in representing which ports/labels are associated with each sub-matrix. This implies that two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}. Each sub-matrix is identified via a different Matrix ID which MUST represent a unique combination of {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}. Lou > Would this be Ok with you? Then I will publish a revision upon your approval. Also we need to hear from Tomonori on if his issues is addressed. Thanks, Lou > Thanks, > Young > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 7:59 AM > To: Leeyoung > Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt > > Young, > > I guess I didn't see the new text as substantively different or more > informative than preceding text: > > ... There may be more than one matrix associated with > a node as the node can partition the switch matrix into several sub- > matrices for various reasons such as incremental updates, etc. When > the matrix is partitioned into sub-matrices, it is envisioned that > they are mutually exclusive to one another in representing which > ports/labels are associated with each sub-matrix. This implies that > two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, > dst label}. > > I'd suggest directly addressing the ambiguity by revising the first > sentence and "for various reasons such as incremental updates, etc. " in > particular. Perhaps "primarily to limit the size of any individual > information element used to represent the matrix." or however else > you'd like to capture the intent. > > Lou > > On 2/2/2015 5:15 PM, Leeyoung wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> >> The original question Tomonori raised was if sub-matrices are like virtual nodes attached to connectivity matrix. The answer was no, and sub-matrix is simply a partition of connectivity matrix into smaller pieces. To that end, I added the following text in Section 2.1 >> >> Each sub-matrix is assigned a unique Matrix ID to represent a >> mutually exclusive set of {src port, src label, dst port, dst label} >> from other sub-matrices. >> >> Let me know what you think. >> >> Thanks, >> Young >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 3:29 PM >> To: Leeyoung >> Cc: Tomonori Takeda; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' >> Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >> >> Hi Young, >> >> I see you just published an update. I have one question below. >> >> On 1/23/2015 3:01 AM, Tomonori Takeda wrote: >>> Hi Young, >>> >>> OK, thanks, >>> >>> Tomonori >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:44 AM >>> To: Tomonori Takeda（武田知典）; Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org' >>> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >>> >>> Hi Tomonori, >>> >>> Thanks for your comment. Please see in-line for my response. Please let me know if the response would satisfy you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Young >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tomonori Takeda [mailto:tomonori.takeda@ntt.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:48 AM >>> To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org >>> Cc: 'rtg-dir@ietf.org'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode.all@tools.ietf.org'; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; Tomonori Takeda >>> Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-16.txt >>> >>> Hi Young, >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Two follow-up questions/comments. >>> (I am fine with other points, which you already addressed in the updated draft.) >>> >>>> 2) In section 2.1, it says "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}". To be precise, I guess this should be > "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label}, and two matrices will not have the same {dst port, dst label}"? >>>> >>>> YOUNG>> I think your suggestion may be too restrictive. For instance, if we have one source (port 1) and one destination (port 2) with two labels > each. Then we would have: {(1,1,2,1), (1,1,2,2), (1,2,2,1), (1,2,2,2)} I think with the current statement, we can send this info in any combination > of multiple matrices, which I think perfectly fine. With your suggestion, I would not be able send (1,1,2,1) and (1,1,2,2) together. Why would this > not be made possible? My take is as long as each submatrix represents a set of disjoint quadruples, that should be allowed. >>> My reading of "two matrices will not have the same {src port, src label, dst port, dst label}" is as follows. >>> >>> >>> >>> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >>> input label=1 output label=1 >>> >>> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >>> input label=1 output label=2 >>> >>> This is allowed. >>> >>> >>> >>> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >>> input label=1 output label=1 >>> >>> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >>> input label=1 output label=1 >>> >>> This is not allowed. >>> >>> >>> >>> input port=1 --> Submatrix#1 --> output port=2 >>> input label=1 output label=1 >>> >>> input port=1 --> Submatrix#2 --> output port=2 >>> input label=2 output label=2 >>> >>> This is allowed. >>> >>> Is above understanding correct? >>> If so, I am not sure how example A works, since I am not sure what is the indentifier to direct from input to each submatrix. >>> >>> Maybe I am mis-understanding what sub-matrix is. I thought sub-matrix is a sort of virtual node, splitting the single matrix (or switch) into smaller pieces. >> Can you explain how the revised text clarifies this point? >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >>> .... > From nobody Tue Feb 3 09:28:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC971A1ADF; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:28:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=0.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tGHqZkV0G9WX; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com 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--001a1137941c4ff9dc050e338176-- From nobody Tue Feb 3 17:49:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C28A1A88CF; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:49:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 943CyiCumZfR; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4611A88CC; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=74.43.47.92; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Eric C Rosen'" , "'Stig Venaas'" , , References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGuylWsBrBz8vu/a9mLzNWacBlqoQIO38gRnRItYYA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 01:49:12 -0000 Eric:=20 An early allocation just needs a review of your WG chairs and AD. Start = the conversation with Loa - he's good at working through these issues. =20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C = Rosen Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:27 AM To: Stig Venaas; draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; = mpls@ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; erosen@juniper.net; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 On 2/2/2015 4:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: > The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global Table=20 > Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for=20 > (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? No it isn't. > Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in=20 > http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route-distin > guisher-types.xhtml Stig, I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a future = draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should ask IANA to = assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this document". Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for = specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early = allocation ;-) Eric P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. From nobody Tue Feb 3 20:06:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F041A1B7E; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:06:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0JGzRAIkeM18; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2C5C1A1B77; Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.12] (unknown [49.149.205.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB31718013C8; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 05:06:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:06:01 +0800 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , 'Eric C Rosen' , 'Stig Venaas' , draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, "" , rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 04:06:15 -0000 Sue, Tnx - though I'm not sure here. Adrian, Pearl and Eric you need to look at the proposal below. The early allocation follows the same rules as other allocations when it comes to assigning specific values. What I see here is that Eric want to assign 65535 from the Route Distinguisher Type Field; values 32768-65535 are assigned under IETF Consensus. We have a document that is past IETF Last Call (2 days) in fact the comments from Stig was part of the IETF Last Call comments. I think Eric is correct, it is to late for an early allocation. What I propose, given that Adrian and IANA (Pearl) agree, is that Eric add some text in response to the LC comment that says: In body text (Eric you'll have to flesh it out a bit). "A RD field with the value [TBAx] is for use only as specified in this document." And in the IANA section. "IANA is requested to assign a new Route Distinguisher Type from the Route Distinguisher Type Field registry. The highest available value in the IETF consensus range should be assigned." /Loa On 2015-02-04 09:48, Susan Hares wrote: > Eric: > > An early allocation just needs a review of your WG chairs and AD. Start the conversation with Loa - he's good at working through these issues. > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:27 AM > To: Stig Venaas; draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; erosen@juniper.net; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > > On 2/2/2015 4:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: >> The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global Table >> Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for >> (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? > > No it isn't. > >> Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route-distin >> guisher-types.xhtml > > Stig, > > I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a future draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should ask IANA to assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this document". > > Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early allocation ;-) > > Eric > > P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. > > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed Feb 4 07:25:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4301A8A4C; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S_HdMR7Jk_ho; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED151A8A7B; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 07:25:10 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=74.43.47.92; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Loa Andersson'" , "'Eric C Rosen'" , "'Stig Venaas'" , , References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:24:59 -0500 Message-ID: <009101d0408e$be055aa0$3a100fe0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQGuylWsBrBz8vu/a9mLzNWacBlqoQIO38gRAqRYzPQBb/puFpzybGWQ X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, drafts-lastcall@iana.org, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:25:13 -0000 Loa: Thanks for doing what you can. =20 Sue=20 -----Original Message----- From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa@pi.nu]=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 11:06 PM To: Susan Hares; 'Eric C Rosen'; 'Stig Venaas'; = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 Sue, Tnx - though I'm not sure here. Adrian, Pearl and Eric you need to look at the proposal below. The early allocation follows the same rules as other allocations when it = comes to assigning specific values. What I see here is that Eric want to assign 65535 from the Route = Distinguisher Type Field; values 32768-65535 are assigned under IETF = Consensus. We have a document that is past IETF Last Call (2 days) in fact the = comments from Stig was part of the IETF Last Call comments. I think Eric is correct, it is to late for an early allocation. What I = propose, given that Adrian and IANA (Pearl) agree, is that Eric add some = text in response to the LC comment that says: In body text (Eric you'll have to flesh it out a bit). "A RD field with the value [TBAx] is for use only as specified in this = document." And in the IANA section. "IANA is requested to assign a new Route Distinguisher Type from the = Route Distinguisher Type Field registry. The highest available value in = the IETF consensus range should be assigned." /Loa On 2015-02-04 09:48, Susan Hares wrote: > Eric: > > An early allocation just needs a review of your WG chairs and AD. = Start the conversation with Loa - he's good at working through these = issues. > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C=20 > Rosen > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:27 AM > To: Stig Venaas; draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org;=20 > mpls@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; erosen@juniper.net; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of=20 > draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > > On 2/2/2015 4:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: >> The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global Table=20 >> Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for=20 >> (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? > > No it isn't. > >> Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in=20 >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route-disti >> n >> guisher-types.xhtml > > Stig, > > I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a = future draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should ask IANA = to assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this document". > > Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for=20 > specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early=20 > allocation ;-) > > Eric > > P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. > > --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Thu Feb 5 12:49:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D0C1A8AF2; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:49:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56FY43OaJFNB; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9CB61A8AF6; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:49:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t15Kmgd7014594; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:48:43 GMT Received: from 950129200 (089144216009.atnat0025.highway.a1.net [89.144.216.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t15KmeWW014586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:48:41 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 20:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01d04185$20fd9590$62f8c0b0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHd64eNdqwktuuODBgE21T/RZzRWwGuylWsAg7fyBECpFjM9AFv+m4WAh8Q/1Gcd6kJUA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21306.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--33.880-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--33.880-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: x2HXvaraFomnykMun0J1wmA/V00XWjDtc3ewuwbSaG6H8Gp6NIN6gj9J n3A147yPO+qMYX316PHxTwx4UJIMck5RCTiYesCK9UVHiwLx0/LzDFXwlHc2qC9+vUEmYLuG2Uw BLM8az1REeJ1+VJAQdPMnvNott6lBGM1G4Pq9L1RwUSK4/EeOxVAI6wCVrE3vVL6geaPy6nNrJK bCzTP9q++emaO1P4cY+6bI4L940xzzm/ciiIjcjHZoUVaGRPdAIWrhso05H/VjEZl+QzZVx8CS2 AMm1nQC5PRAib0WZrJS7bZwbdCiVPlXbaRPf/X2nbUZkYTzXIZA8JZETQujwuHrooTDFL+VVFHQ dKyMYbP5lgM/ptSk2CmweSd1jOH7QhQehsXrNgYM+FbAnNWFvl4KsHfYo5LQjU56jjASCeFpW29 g8GS+A+iKJmZ/Ae/yFtUTr2X6w/WLqnYOW4fNFKqblN109/u+NNBFtVEGTH3LYB+SSBKZc562Lm VTodVcSpVpoF9jneisPt5gvTNUSNzM3mZTxjkXJXKk/roE/RCP/EshoNKyETTp2FynA0cQgbiw8 85JktcnsL2GpGdkZVTb7uWtxfne02FrWs7riSCeAiCmPx4NwFkMvWAuahr8+gD2vYtOFhgqtq5d 3cxkNQP90fJP9eHt Archived-At: Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org, stig@venaas.com, liang@icann.org, erosen@juniper.net, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org, michelle.cotton@icann.org, shares@ndzh.com, loa@pi.nu Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [IANA #807148] Re: [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:49:12 -0000 Hi Pearl, Thanks for this. I do not believe you need to make any early allocation assignment. It seems to me that an allocation of this particular code point is very = unlikely to arrive in the next couple of weeks. The text is now in the draft, and the draft is on its way to the IESG = for evaluation on 19/2 Cheers, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Pearl Liang via RT [mailto:iana-issues@iana.org] > Sent: 05 February 2015 19:42 > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; loa@pi.nu; erosen@juniper.net; = shares@ndzh.com; > rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; stig@venaas.com; = rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org; draft- > ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; = michelle.cotton@icann.org; > liang@icann.org > Subject: [IANA #807148] Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate = Review of > draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 >=20 > Hi Loa, Sue, Eric, Adrian, et al. >=20 > Adrian, we have a question for you. >=20 > We received the added IANA action from Eric as per the discussion = below. > Here is a copy of Eric's proposed text in version -16:: >=20 > [[[ > This document makes use of a Route Distinguisher whose value is all > 1's. The two-octet type field of this Route Distinguisher thus has > the value 65535. IANA is therefore requested to assign the value > 65535 from the "Route Distinguisher Type Field" registry to "For Use > Only in Certain Leaf A-D Routes", with this document as the > reference. > ]]] >=20 > The registry is located at = http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher- > types. > Values 32768-65535 are assigned under IETF Consensus. >=20 > The above text looks fine. Since it looks like the draft is almost = approved, > Is it okay to complete the requested action when the document has been > approved? > If you need an early assignment now to lock down the value 65535, we = need > Adrian > to advise us how to proceed. >=20 > Thanks, > ~pl >=20 > Pearl Liang > ICANN >=20 >=20 > On Wed Feb 04 04:06:36 2015, loa@pi.nu wrote: > > Sue, > > > > Tnx - though I'm not sure here. > > > > Adrian, Pearl and Eric you need to look at the proposal below. > > > > The early allocation follows the same rules as other allocations = when > > it comes to assigning specific values. > > > > What I see here is that Eric want to assign 65535 from the > > Route Distinguisher Type Field; values 32768-65535 are assigned = under > > IETF Consensus. > > > > We have a document that is past IETF Last Call (2 days) in fact the > > comments from Stig was part of the IETF Last Call comments. > > > > I think Eric is correct, it is to late for an early allocation. What = I > > propose, given that Adrian and IANA (Pearl) agree, is that Eric add > > some text in response to the LC comment that says: > > > > In body text (Eric you'll have to flesh it out a bit). > > > > "A RD field with the value [TBAx] is for use only as specified in = this > > document." > > > > And in the IANA section. > > > > "IANA is requested to assign a new Route Distinguisher Type from the > > Route Distinguisher Type Field registry. The highest available value > > in > > the IETF consensus range should be assigned." > > > > /Loa > > > > > > On 2015-02-04 09:48, Susan Hares wrote: > > > Eric: > > > > > > An early allocation just needs a review of your WG chairs and AD. > > > Start the conversation with Loa - he's good at working through = these > > > issues. > > > > > > Sue > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric = C > > > Rosen > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:27 AM > > > To: Stig Venaas; = draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; > > > mpls@ietf.org > > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; erosen@juniper.net; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft- > > > ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > > > > > > On 2/2/2015 4:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: > > >> The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global = Table > > >> Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for > > >> (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > > >> Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in > > >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route- > > >> distin > > >> guisher-types.xhtml > > > > > > Stig, > > > > > > I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a > > > future draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should ask > > > IANA to assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this > > > document". > > > > > > Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for > > > specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early > > > allocation ;-) > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. > > > > > > From nobody Fri Feb 6 06:34:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53F71A1B0A; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:41:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.19 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.19 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XTcYXuK3EBaa; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.lax.icann.org (smtp01.icann.org [192.0.33.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 640531A00C6; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from request3.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp1.lax.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t15Jfaq4024481; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 19:41:36 GMT Received: by request3.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id C1ADDC2054C; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 19:41:36 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: pearl.liang From: "Pearl Liang via RT" In-Reply-To: <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #807148 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: pearl.liang@icann.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:41:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:33:59 -0800 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org, stig@venaas.com, liang@icann.org, erosen@juniper.net, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org, adrian@olddog.co.uk, michelle.cotton@icann.org, shares@ndzh.com, loa@pi.nu Subject: [RTG-DIR] [IANA #807148] Re: [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: iana-issues@iana.org List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:41:40 -0000 Hi Loa, Sue, Eric, Adrian, et al. Adrian, we have a question for you. We received the added IANA action from Eric as per the discussion below. Here is a copy of Eric's proposed text in version -16:: [[[ This document makes use of a Route Distinguisher whose value is all 1's. The two-octet type field of this Route Distinguisher thus has the value 65535. IANA is therefore requested to assign the value 65535 from the "Route Distinguisher Type Field" registry to "For Use Only in Certain Leaf A-D Routes", with this document as the reference. ]]] The registry is located at http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types. Values 32768-65535 are assigned under IETF Consensus. The above text looks fine. Since it looks like the draft is almost approved, Is it okay to complete the requested action when the document has been approved? If you need an early assignment now to lock down the value 65535, we need Adrian to advise us how to proceed. Thanks, ~pl Pearl Liang ICANN On Wed Feb 04 04:06:36 2015, loa@pi.nu wrote: > Sue, > > Tnx - though I'm not sure here. > > Adrian, Pearl and Eric you need to look at the proposal below. > > The early allocation follows the same rules as other allocations when > it comes to assigning specific values. > > What I see here is that Eric want to assign 65535 from the > Route Distinguisher Type Field; values 32768-65535 are assigned under > IETF Consensus. > > We have a document that is past IETF Last Call (2 days) in fact the > comments from Stig was part of the IETF Last Call comments. > > I think Eric is correct, it is to late for an early allocation. What I > propose, given that Adrian and IANA (Pearl) agree, is that Eric add > some text in response to the LC comment that says: > > In body text (Eric you'll have to flesh it out a bit). > > "A RD field with the value [TBAx] is for use only as specified in this > document." > > And in the IANA section. > > "IANA is requested to assign a new Route Distinguisher Type from the > Route Distinguisher Type Field registry. The highest available value > in > the IETF consensus range should be assigned." > > /Loa > > > On 2015-02-04 09:48, Susan Hares wrote: > > Eric: > > > > An early allocation just needs a review of your WG chairs and AD. > > Start the conversation with Loa - he's good at working through these > > issues. > > > > Sue > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C > > Rosen > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:27 AM > > To: Stig Venaas; draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; > > mpls@ietf.org > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; erosen@juniper.net; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft- > > ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > > > > On 2/2/2015 4:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: > >> The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global Table > >> Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for > >> (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? > > > > No it isn't. > > > >> Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in > >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route- > >> distin > >> guisher-types.xhtml > > > > Stig, > > > > I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a > > future draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should ask > > IANA to assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this > > document". > > > > Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for > > specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early > > allocation ;-) > > > > Eric > > > > P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. > > > > From nobody Fri Feb 6 06:34:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D361A8755; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 13:32:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.19 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.19 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UtuhDYoh8V_D; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 13:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.lax.icann.org (smtp01.icann.org [192.0.33.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 250021A8F4C; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 13:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from request3.lax.icann.org (request1.lax.icann.org [10.32.11.221]) by smtp1.lax.icann.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t15LWQM2028272; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 21:32:26 GMT Received: by request3.lax.icann.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id E28D6C2054B; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) RT-Owner: pearl.liang From: "Pearl Liang via RT" In-Reply-To: References: <54CFEE72.7040601@venaas.com> <54D0E8B5.8030300@juniper.net> <06ab01d0401c$bf0f0940$3d2d1bc0$@ndzh.com> <54D19AA9.9070503@pi.nu> <005f01d04185$20fd9590$62f8c0b0$@olddog.co.uk> Message-ID: X-RT-Loop-Prevention: IANA X-RT-Ticket: IANA #807148 X-Managed-BY: RT 4.2.9 (http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/) X-RT-Originator: pearl.liang@icann.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-RT-Original-Encoding: utf-8 Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:32:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 06:34:19 -0800 Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org, mpls@ietf.org, stig@venaas.com, shares@ndzh.com, rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org, adrian@olddog.co.uk, erosen@juniper.net, loa@pi.nu Subject: [RTG-DIR] [IANA #807148] Re: [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: iana-issues@iana.org List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:32:32 -0000 Hi Adrian, Thank you for the reply. I've responded to the Evaluation request. Cheers, ~pl On Thu Feb 05 20:49:09 2015, adrian@olddog.co.uk wrote: > Hi Pearl, > > Thanks for this. > > I do not believe you need to make any early allocation assignment. > It seems to me that an allocation of this particular code point is > very unlikely to arrive in the next couple of weeks. > > The text is now in the draft, and the draft is on its way to the IESG > for evaluation on 19/2 > > Cheers, > Adrian > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pearl Liang via RT [mailto:iana-issues@iana.org] > > Sent: 05 February 2015 19:42 > > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; loa@pi.nu; erosen@juniper.net; > > shares@ndzh.com; > > rtg-dir@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; stig@venaas.com; rtg- > > ads@tools.ietf.org; draft- > > ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; > > michelle.cotton@icann.org; > > liang@icann.org > > Subject: [IANA #807148] Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate > > Review of > > draft-ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > > > > Hi Loa, Sue, Eric, Adrian, et al. > > > > Adrian, we have a question for you. > > > > We received the added IANA action from Eric as per the discussion > > below. > > Here is a copy of Eric's proposed text in version -16:: > > > > [[[ > > This document makes use of a Route Distinguisher whose value is all > > 1's. The two-octet type field of this Route Distinguisher thus has > > the value 65535. IANA is therefore requested to assign the value > > 65535 from the "Route Distinguisher Type Field" registry to "For Use > > Only in Certain Leaf A-D Routes", with this document as the > > reference. > > ]]] > > > > The registry is located at http://www.iana.org/assignments/route- > > distinguisher- > > types. > > Values 32768-65535 are assigned under IETF Consensus. > > > > The above text looks fine. Since it looks like the draft is almost > > approved, > > Is it okay to complete the requested action when the document has > > been > > approved? > > If you need an early assignment now to lock down the value 65535, we > > need > > Adrian > > to advise us how to proceed. > > > > Thanks, > > ~pl > > > > Pearl Liang > > ICANN > > > > > > On Wed Feb 04 04:06:36 2015, loa@pi.nu wrote: > > > Sue, > > > > > > Tnx - though I'm not sure here. > > > > > > Adrian, Pearl and Eric you need to look at the proposal below. > > > > > > The early allocation follows the same rules as other allocations > > > when > > > it comes to assigning specific values. > > > > > > What I see here is that Eric want to assign 65535 from the > > > Route Distinguisher Type Field; values 32768-65535 are assigned > > > under > > > IETF Consensus. > > > > > > We have a document that is past IETF Last Call (2 days) in fact the > > > comments from Stig was part of the IETF Last Call comments. > > > > > > I think Eric is correct, it is to late for an early allocation. > > > What I > > > propose, given that Adrian and IANA (Pearl) agree, is that Eric add > > > some text in response to the LC comment that says: > > > > > > In body text (Eric you'll have to flesh it out a bit). > > > > > > "A RD field with the value [TBAx] is for use only as specified in > > > this > > > document." > > > > > > And in the IANA section. > > > > > > "IANA is requested to assign a new Route Distinguisher Type from > > > the > > > Route Distinguisher Type Field registry. The highest available > > > value > > > in > > > the IETF consensus range should be assigned." > > > > > > /Loa > > > > > > > > > On 2015-02-04 09:48, Susan Hares wrote: > > > > Eric: > > > > > > > > An early allocation just needs a review of your WG chairs and AD. > > > > Start the conversation with Loa - he's good at working through > > > > these > > > > issues. > > > > > > > > Sue > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric > > > > C > > > > Rosen > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 10:27 AM > > > > To: Stig Venaas; draft-ietf-mpls-seamless- > > > > mcast.all@tools.ietf.org; > > > > mpls@ietf.org > > > > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; erosen@juniper.net; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [mpls] Routing Directorate Review of > > > > draft- > > > > ietf-mpls-seamless-mcast-15 > > > > > > > > On 2/2/2015 4:38 PM, Stig Venaas wrote: > > > >> The document states in e.g. 6.2.2. Leaf A-D Route for Global > > > >> Table > > > >> Multicast that the RD in the MCAST-VPN NLRI is set to all 1s for > > > >> (*,G)-state. Is this use of RD defined in another document? > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > > > > >> Shouldn't RD type 65535 then be assigned for this purpose in > > > >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/route-distinguisher-types/route- > > > >> distin > > > >> guisher-types.xhtml > > > > > > > > Stig, > > > > > > > > I think you're right, the draft should do something to prevent a > > > > future draft from using -1 in the RD field. Perhaps we should > > > > ask > > > > IANA to assign value 65535 to "for use only as specified in this > > > > document". > > > > > > > > Of course, IANA will complain that we're not supposed to ask for > > > > specific assignments, but it's a bit too late to ask for early > > > > allocation ;-) > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > P.S.: The nits you pointed out are fixed in the source. > > > > > > > > From nobody Wed Feb 11 12:06:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B4B1A9026; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:06:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2u_F406oeqPx; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com (maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com [IPv6:2001:550:3800:203::3131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0D171A904D; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from harbor31.somerville.occnc.com (harbor31.somerville.occnc.com [IPv6:2001:550:3800:203::3231]) (authenticated bits=128) by maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1BK63b4073326; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:06:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@ipv6.occnc.com) Message-Id: <201502112006.t1BK63b4073326@maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com> To: "Joel M. Halpern" From: Curtis Villamizar In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:08:58 -0500." <54C2B86A.6010607@joelhalpern.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <73324.1423685163.1@harbor31.somerville.occnc.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:06:03 -0500 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "" , draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org, "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@ipv6.occnc.com List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:06:42 -0000 In message <54C2B86A.6010607@joelhalpern.com> "Joel M. Halpern" writes: > > Hello, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and > sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > Directorate, please see > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt > Advanced Multipath Use Cases and Design Considerations > Reviewer: Joel M. Halpern > Review Date: 23-January-2015 > IETF LC End Date: N/A > Intended Status: Informational > > Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. > > Minor note: This draft appears to have expired. Hello again Joel, FYI - to the Cc. I emailed Joel off list about this. This draft lay dormant in "AD review" for a long time. Apparently the AD shepard had a change of heart about this .. or something. The draft itself could be described as inconsequential but contains parts of earlier CL requirements draft and CL framework that more closely resembled use cases. This draft exists both to be informational and to unclutter the requirements and framework. At this point I can submit another draft. But ... I would like to know from the co-authors two things: 1. Is there still interest in CL aka Advanced Multipath? 2. Any changes in contact information? I'm particularly interested in whether there is interest at Verizon since they were the potential user driving this in the first place. However two of the three Verizon co-authors to the CL drafts are no longer at Verizon. No further replies should be interpreted as "no interest" although an explicit "no interest" would be preferred if that is the case. If there is interest I'll resubmit this. If there is still interest in the framework, we can resurrect that document as well but the framework needs work and discussion had fallen off to nothing by the time it expired. Curtis From nobody Wed Feb 11 13:32:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515B91A1C05; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gufq_HP0X4wO; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48F5F1A3BA3; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:30:52 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79376d000000ceb-4d-54db76688afd Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A9.74.03307.8667BD45; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:34:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:30:50 -0500 From: Jeff Tantsura To: "curtis@ipv6.occnc.com" , "Joel M. Halpern" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHQRjZQ0kyh0Pj+aUqZnOf/CCiJ+pzrxWmA Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:30:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <54C2B86A.6010607@joelhalpern.com> <201502112006.t1BK63b4073326@maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com> In-Reply-To: <201502112006.t1BK63b4073326@maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.4.140807 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <068BBC651BE4154DA033DC32A2C9E4E0@ericsson.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrCIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoG5G2e0Qg2nbRS0mzzrDZjH3xxom i4+n3jBZPJ8zk8ViwZqn7BYX3vxmdmDzWLLkJ5PHsvsX2TzOTfnO6PHl8me2AJYoLpuU1JzM stQifbsErozDb7czFyyRrji6dj5zA+N2sS5GTg4JAROJpzs3MUHYYhIX7q1n62Lk4hASOMIo caTjHBOEs5xRYsuab2wgVWwCBhL/vx1nAbFFBOIkLn5ZzQpSxCzwjFFi4dMVYKOEBRwkdi+E KXKUuDDnKzOEbSTR1bmZEcRmEVCV6OzsAxvKK2Au8e3wPzBbSCBP4sHpX+wgNqeAl8SnqdfA 6hmBzvt+ag3YfGYBcYlbT+ZDnS0gsWTPeWYIW1Ti5eN/rCC2qICexLMNm9kh4ooS+/qns0P0 6kncmDqFDcK2ljj+pAFqprbEsoWvmSHuEZQ4OfMJywRGiVlI1s1C0j4LSfssJO2zkLQvYGRd xchRWpxalptuZLCJERitxyTYdHcw7nlpeYhRgINRiYe3oPdWiBBrYllxZe4hRmkOFiVx3kUP DoYICaQnlqRmp6YWpBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi4JRqYOxmT/9+s7Hhffefiwp5P+ecae722dZ2pGyX vNyz+9pdR1WWH9tQfbzPYFP7vG/scj1fow2Yo+LmXsr2D/Y9P0l96bRbDs/mla1QLH8YtmT1 ZKvAvTVnDyl/TV6wqKfx5wHp6Ys6DA7/m9UheZ/lk5co48IZt7xO7lh/oPnAGu29qzW39hmw LrmmxFKckWioxVxUnAgACmLNB7cCAAA= Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:32:19 -0800 Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org" , "" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:31:29 -0000 Hi Curtis, Please let me know how would you like to proceed with the draft. If you feel it should progress and since Routing Directorate is done with no issues found - please resubmit, I=B9ll provide writeup and submit to the IESG. Thanks! Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Villamizar Reply-To: "curtis@ipv6.occnc.com" Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:06 PM To: Joel Halpern Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt >In message <54C2B86A.6010607@joelhalpern.com> >"Joel M. Halpern" writes: >>=20 >> Hello, >> =20 >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this >>draft.=20 >> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related >> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and >> sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide >> assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing >> Directorate, please see >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir >> =20 >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, >>it=20 >> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF >> Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through >> discussion or by updating the draft. >> =20 >> Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt >> Advanced Multipath Use Cases and Design Considerations >> Reviewer: Joel M. Halpern >> Review Date: 23-January-2015 >> IETF LC End Date: N/A >> Intended Status: Informational >> =20 >> Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. >> =20 >> Minor note: This draft appears to have expired. > > >Hello again Joel, > >FYI - to the Cc. I emailed Joel off list about this. This draft lay >dormant in "AD review" for a long time. Apparently the AD shepard had >a change of heart about this .. or something. > >The draft itself could be described as inconsequential but contains >parts of earlier CL requirements draft and CL framework that more >closely resembled use cases. This draft exists both to be >informational and to unclutter the requirements and framework. > >At this point I can submit another draft. But ... > >I would like to know from the co-authors two things: > > 1. Is there still interest in CL aka Advanced Multipath? > 2. Any changes in contact information? > >I'm particularly interested in whether there is interest at Verizon >since they were the potential user driving this in the first place. >However two of the three Verizon co-authors to the CL drafts are no >longer at Verizon. > >No further replies should be interpreted as "no interest" although an >explicit "no interest" would be preferred if that is the case. > >If there is interest I'll resubmit this. If there is still interest >in the framework, we can resurrect that document as well but the >framework needs work and discussion had fallen off to nothing by the >time it expired. > >Curtis > >_______________________________________________ >rtgwg mailing list >rtgwg@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Thu Feb 12 07:03:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF961A9122; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:02:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.891 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.891 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id InrBImx8A7kh; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com (maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com [IPv6:2001:550:3800:203::3131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 913551A9027; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from harbor31.somerville.occnc.com (harbor31.somerville.occnc.com [IPv6:2001:550:3800:203::3231]) (authenticated bits=128) by maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t1CF2Ffd099176; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:02:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from curtis@ipv6.occnc.com) Message-Id: <201502121502.t1CF2Ffd099176@maildrop31.somerville.occnc.com> BTo: Jeff Tantsura From: Curtis Villamizar In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:30:50 +0000." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <99174.1423753334.1@harbor31.somerville.occnc.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:02:15 -0500 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "curtis@ipv6.occnc.com" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "Joel M. Halpern" , "" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: curtis@ipv6.occnc.com List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:02:41 -0000 So far I got one message from a co-author and its not encouraging: ning.so@tatacommunications.com (generated from draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org) SMTP error from remote mail server \ after RCPT TO:: host mx5.tatacommunications.com [115.114.148.135]: 550 #5.1.0 Address rejected. At best that counts as an address change at least temporarily to "unknown". This has been idle for very long. Lets give it a week or two and if no responses, then move use-cases and framework to abandoned state. If there is interest in the topic later, a new individual submission can be started (possibly just a framework) and the WG can decide if there is enough interest to make that new draft a WG item. Curtis In message Jeff Tantsura writes: > > Hi Curtis, > > Please let me know how would you like to proceed with the draft. > If you feel it should progress and since Routing Directorate is done with > no issues found - please resubmit, I'll provide writeup and submit to the > IESG. > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > Jeff > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Curtis Villamizar > Reply-To: "curtis@ipv6.occnc.com" > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:06 PM > To: Joel Halpern > Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "" > , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org" > , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" > > Subject: Re: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt > > >In message <54C2B86A.6010607@joelhalpern.com> > >"Joel M. Halpern" writes: > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this > >>draft. > >> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > >> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and > >> sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > >> assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > >> Directorate, please see > >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > >> > >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, > >>it > >> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > >> Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > >> discussion or by updating the draft. > >> > >> Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt > >> Advanced Multipath Use Cases and Design Considerations > >> Reviewer: Joel M. Halpern > >> Review Date: 23-January-2015 > >> IETF LC End Date: N/A > >> Intended Status: Informational > >> > >> Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. > >> > >> Minor note: This draft appears to have expired. > > > > > >Hello again Joel, > > > >FYI - to the Cc. I emailed Joel off list about this. This draft lay > >dormant in "AD review" for a long time. Apparently the AD shepard had > >a change of heart about this .. or something. > > > >The draft itself could be described as inconsequential but contains > >parts of earlier CL requirements draft and CL framework that more > >closely resembled use cases. This draft exists both to be > >informational and to unclutter the requirements and framework. > > > >At this point I can submit another draft. But ... > > > >I would like to know from the co-authors two things: > > > > 1. Is there still interest in CL aka Advanced Multipath? > > 2. Any changes in contact information? > > > >I'm particularly interested in whether there is interest at Verizon > >since they were the potential user driving this in the first place. > >However two of the three Verizon co-authors to the CL drafts are no > >longer at Verizon. > > > >No further replies should be interpreted as "no interest" although an > >explicit "no interest" would be preferred if that is the case. > > > >If there is interest I'll resubmit this. If there is still interest > >in the framework, we can resurrect that document as well but the > >framework needs work and discussion had fallen off to nothing by the > >time it expired. > > > >Curtis > > > >_______________________________________________ > >rtgwg mailing list > >rtgwg@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Mon Feb 16 02:09:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163331A8794; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:09:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FGDrZJSOimsO; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 572261A1A99; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 02:08:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9759; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1424081338; x=1425290938; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=TDkf3gbYJrXjHR/++uWY0qMRxSwPEOpmTe54Elj2hoc=; b=J7WKeKrgw5NEPlzpJyAJxj6rz16j9ALImXTEQR6rHAwIZR18xet9J9X3 ZhWPEAvbrgf9q6b5MrA7lR0QFcmNf+FcoHKHOuwxwuH2Xa7afVtgLB9VO oorJ0KrgtHDRANpPfylwR838zBoQLo93Z0NbDz03QZLR60GVWQsJkbjFj E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,586,1418083200"; d="scan'208,217";a="123877488" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2015 10:08:57 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t1GA8uPh028511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:08:56 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.138]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 16 Feb 2015 04:08:56 -0600 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" To: "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review:draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 Thread-Index: AdBJz78tCrJKA7UwQdqpDGt39BqknA== Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:08:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.24.150.128] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F3ADE4747C9E124B89F0ED2180CC814F4EF24693xmbalnx02ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "ot@cisco.com" Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review:draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:09:00 -0000 --_000_F3ADE4747C9E124B89F0ED2180CC814F4EF24693xmbalnx02ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. Th= e Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts= as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on spec= ial request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Rout= ing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see htt= p://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo= uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Ca= ll comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion= or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 Reviewer: Les Ginsberg Review Date: February 16, 2015 IETF LC End Date: February 16, 2015 Intended Status: Standard Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has one sub= stantive issue that would require some text changes prior to publication. Major Issues: None Minor Issues: I admit to not having followed the progress of this document = prior to my review - but I have read the email archives and do understand t= hat the scope of this document has been deliberately limited and there has = been significant "wordsmithing" of the document to reflect the limited scop= e. I am therefore a bit reluctant to suggest further changes - but I though= t this might be worth discussing. The mechanism defined in this document allows a host to send RSs beyond wha= t is defined in RFC 4861. Use of this mechanism is optional. The only MUST = which this document imposes is that if a host chooses to use the mechanism = defined it MUST use the backoff algorithm defined in Section 2 of this docu= ment. However, Section 2 explicitly states that a host is free to cease sen= ding RSs whenever "it is willing to accept that no router exists" I therefore find the following sentence in Section 2.1 inappropriate: "If an RA is recieved from a router and it does not result in a default rou= te (i.e. Router Lifetime is zero) the host MUST continue retransmitting the= RSs." I think this sentence should be removed. I believe the intent of the senten= ce is to indicate that the reception of an RA provides positive indication = that IPv6 is enabled on the interface and therefore it is useful to continu= e to utilize the mechanism - but the introduction of a MUST here is in cont= radiction to the earlier quote from Section 2 (see above). It also raises t= he unanswered question as to how long a host MUST continue to send RSs once= it has received an RA. Nits: Should you decide to keep the above sentence in Section 2.1 note that "reci= eved" is misspelled. :-) Les --_000_F3ADE4747C9E124B89F0ED2180CC814F4EF24693xmbalnx02ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate r= eviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing= or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG rev= iew, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For= more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://tra= c.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use= of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along w= ith any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resol= ve them through discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04

Reviewer: Les Ginsberg

Review Date: February 16, 2015

IETF LC End Date: February 16, 2015

Intended Status: Standard

 

Summary:  This document is basically ready f= or publication, but has one substantive issue that would require some text = changes prior to publication.

 

Major Issues: None

 

Minor Issues: I admit to not having followed the = progress of this document prior to my review - but I have read the email ar= chives and do understand that the scope of this document has been deliberat= ely limited and there has been significant "wordsmithing" of the document to reflect the limited scope. I a= m therefore a bit reluctant to suggest further changes - but I thought this= might be worth discussing.

 

The mechanism defined in this document allows a h= ost to send RSs beyond what is defined in RFC 4861. Use of this mechanism i= s optional. The only MUST which this document imposes is that if a host cho= oses to use the mechanism defined it MUST use the backoff algorithm defined in Section 2 of this document. H= owever, Section 2 explicitly states that a host is free to cease sending RS= s whenever

 

"it is willing to accept that no router exis= ts"

 

I therefore find the following sentence in Sectio= n 2.1 inappropriate:

 

"If an RA is recieved from a router and it d= oes not result in a default route (i.e. Router Lifetime is zero) the host M= UST continue retransmitting the RSs."

 

I think this sentence should be removed. I believ= e the intent of the sentence is to indicate that the reception of an RA pro= vides positive indication that IPv6 is enabled on the interface and therefo= re it is useful to continue to utilize the mechanism - but the introduction of a MUST here is in contradiction to= the earlier quote from Section 2 (see above). It also raises the unanswere= d question as to how long a host MUST continue to send RSs once it has rece= ived an RA.

 

Nits:

 

Should you decide to keep the above sentence in S= ection 2.1 note that "recieved" is misspelled. :-)

 

   Les

 

 

 

--_000_F3ADE4747C9E124B89F0ED2180CC814F4EF24693xmbalnx02ciscoc_-- From nobody Wed Feb 18 07:42:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475821A8978; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W7pkcz3UkRDX; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E024C1A1B9A; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-f79916d00000623a-f4-54e3b76a06d1 Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id A1.32.25146.A67B3E45; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:49:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [153.88.4.49] (147.117.188.8) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.188.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.210.2; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: <54E4176E.4060809@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:39:10 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs@tools.ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [147.117.188.8] X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoG729schBu+O8lmc/jaBxWLDn43s Fi/PvmeyWLFrPavF8zkzWSwWrHnK7sDmMeX3RlaPJUt+Mnl8ufyZLYA5issmJTUnsyy1SN8u gSvj5/yDTAVfpSpO7VnM2MC4T7SLkZNDQsBE4snNNcwQtpjEhXvr2boYuTiEBI4wSkyesJMV wtnMKPHo1RcWkCpeAW2JU81XWEFsFgFVibuLdzCB2GxAkzbs/AxmiwqESXzfvIMZol5Q4uTM Jywgg0QEjjFKPNh2DWwQs0C2xLH9V8GKhAWsJH73HGQEsYUEfCQ2ve0EG8Qp4Cux8PRHVoh6 C4mZ888zQtjyEtvfzmGGqNeU2LrmOyvEC4oSL47/ZJrAKDQLye5ZSNpnIWlfwMi8ipGjtDi1 LDfdyHATIzDEj0mwOe5gXPDJ8hCjAAejEg+vgd2jECHWxLLiytxDjNIcLErivGVXDoYICaQn lqRmp6YWpBbFF5XmpBYfYmTi4JRqYFwbELhvnfiNzVF6i9niv/bU7PSUO+6qph3c5nLFv9Ml d++Pur48+3PSXUa1GrG3v1huT5zKunHpmk7PTawzZ/QprL3Cs9b4ue2mAztnlVsuMp0uGOh4 akJE07oKhflGpdtVXTbumjX9IO/zO3kek6qtD/zt3nLe79+/dFWvzKj7tXw/1lx71K7EUpyR aKjFXFScCABOsHerUgIAAA== Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 07:42:44 -0800 Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "ot@cisco.com" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review:draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 04:39:44 -0000 Hi Les, Thanks a lot for your review. Please find my responses inline. On 02/16/2015 05:09 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Hello, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and > sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them throug > discussion or by updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 > > > Reviewer: Les Ginsberg > > Review Date: February 16, 2015 > > IETF LC End Date: February 16, 2015 > > Intended Status: Standard > > Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has one > substantive issue that would require some text changes prior to publication. > > Major Issues: None > > Minor Issues: I admit to not having followed the progress of this > document prior to my review - but I have read the email archives and do > understand that the scope of this document has been deliberately limited > and there has been significant "wordsmithing" of the document to reflect > the limited scope. I am therefore a bit reluctant to suggest further > changes - but I thought this might be worth discussing. > > The mechanism defined in this document allows a host to send RSs beyond > what is defined in RFC 4861. Use of this mechanism is optional. The only > MUST which this document imposes is that if a host chooses to use the > mechanism defined it MUST use the backoff algorithm defined in Section 2 > of this document. However, Section 2 explicitly states that a host is > free to cease sending RSs whenever > > "it is willing to accept that no router exists" > > I therefore find the following sentence in Section 2.1 inappropriate: > > "If an RA is recieved from a router and it does not result in a default > route (i.e. Router Lifetime is zero) the host MUST continue > retransmitting the RSs." > > I think this sentence should be removed. I believe the intent of the > sentence is to indicate that the reception of an RA provides positive > indication that IPv6 is enabled on the interface and therefore it is > useful to continue to utilize the mechanism - but the introduction of a > MUST here is in contradiction to the earlier quote from Section 2 (see > above). It also raises the unanswered question as to how long a host > MUST continue to send RSs once it has received an RA. The exception text was added to allow such hosts to turn off soliciting on IPv4-only links. Once an RA is received from a router (even when the router is not willing to the default router), it signals to the host that the link is not an IPv4-only link. Hence the MUST for the host to continue sending the RSes. Does that make sense? > > Nits: > > Should you decide to keep the above sentence in Section 2.1 note that > "recieved" is misspelled. :-) Will fix. Thanks. Regards Suresh From nobody Wed Feb 18 12:00:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BCE1A0072 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yd6g01MjfsNI for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 111E31A0046 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id wp4so5644097obc.0 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:20 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kB6RzMHmKcR/DAjo5o1o6Jopr/5wnNAf4wWcr9zEK10=; b=fBSkx204vLsiYq+YaZVV9mjclQAlV6IDpzD/Ts7/9jnEW/jf3Nl/+H/cQ7Iid+D/9R YpIxSXSFITOmlbcIuxgT1BZg/xD7aRSB5GHWy1Ikjj3r+zznUT1hUpJDNzRE4QbfJszS wj4lmUx5XON4LPpTJihzD/gHLIqSs1EJMZwYsmLIYCp8RXt83FP9vFZJBRxMgBnws98G n7t+ScrahNgS5rZnTw8uJoF1OOo2j8q2hi/33cDdknfKmkOj16lsS5TgTLCLLiLHIagZ pjcndmoIbpuqcoD5G6YXIdzJtUkghUcRMtVH9qeFvca+mMgXIa/WgE3H3/ybMUiwIEaE dKtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmS+VUfCfoteAymuQjrER+db4vrcPbqxVtcE4lkRtILS9CDL0KvmIU2ES1xcFz1ZLJbu4mO MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.42.8 with SMTP id j8mr457300oel.41.1424285360429; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.76.150.2 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54E4176E.4060809@ericsson.com> References: <54E4176E.4060809@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:49:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: James Woodyatt To: "ipv6@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs@tools.ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149d0b2f7b701050f614619 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:00:11 -0800 Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review:draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:49:24 -0000 --089e0149d0b2f7b701050f614619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The inference that a link is not IPv4-only after receiving an ICMPv6 Route Advertisement message with zero lifetime is interesting. Here's why an interesting thing to me: on my home network, the Nest Protect and Nest Learning Thermostats periodically send RA messages with zero lifetime, so they can inform hosts of the ULA prefix assigned for what we call their "fabric" (an application protocol concept). Therefore, under the requirement language in this draft, hosts that implement Resilient Router Solicitation on links where Nest devices are present, which are otherwise functionally IPv4-only, will never stop sending their RS messages. So, the objective here=E2=80=94 allowing hosts to turn off solici= ting on IPv4-only links=E2=80=94 seems like it might be difficult to achieve on net= works where RA messages are only ever used for local prefix distribution and no IPv6 default router is actually deployed. I actually think the more problematic sentence is the first one Mr. Ginsberg quoted, not the second one. I don't think hosts can easily infer that a link is IPv4-only, and the sentence that says hosts may stop sending RS messages when "it is willing to accept that no [IPv6 default] router exists [or will exist in the foreseeable future]" is the one that's loaded with too much ambiguity [see my bracketed assumptions, which may be wrong]. I'm not sure what to say about this except that maybe allowing hosts to stop sending RS messages because they have inferred that the network is IPv4-only is an unnecessary concession to legacy deployments. Perhaps it would be better to define a new DHCPv4 option that dual-stack hosts may use as an explicit signal that IPv6 Resilient Router Solicitation is unwelcome on the link. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Suresh Krishnan < suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com> wrote: > Hi Les, > Thanks a lot for your review. Please find my responses inline. > > On 02/16/2015 05:09 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. >> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related >> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and >> sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide >> assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing >> Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/ >> area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir >> >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it >> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF >> Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them throug >> discussion or by updating the draft. >> >> Document: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04 >> >> >> >> Reviewer: Les Ginsberg >> >> Review Date: February 16, 2015 >> >> IETF LC End Date: February 16, 2015 >> >> Intended Status: Standard >> >> Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has one >> substantive issue that would require some text changes prior to >> publication. >> >> Major Issues: None >> >> Minor Issues: I admit to not having followed the progress of this >> document prior to my review - but I have read the email archives and do >> understand that the scope of this document has been deliberately limited >> and there has been significant "wordsmithing" of the document to reflect >> the limited scope. I am therefore a bit reluctant to suggest further >> changes - but I thought this might be worth discussing. >> >> The mechanism defined in this document allows a host to send RSs beyond >> what is defined in RFC 4861. Use of this mechanism is optional. The only >> MUST which this document imposes is that if a host chooses to use the >> mechanism defined it MUST use the backoff algorithm defined in Section 2 >> of this document. However, Section 2 explicitly states that a host is >> free to cease sending RSs whenever >> >> "it is willing to accept that no router exists" >> >> I therefore find the following sentence in Section 2.1 inappropriate: >> >> "If an RA is recieved from a router and it does not result in a default >> route (i.e. Router Lifetime is zero) the host MUST continue >> retransmitting the RSs." >> >> I think this sentence should be removed. I believe the intent of the >> sentence is to indicate that the reception of an RA provides positive >> indication that IPv6 is enabled on the interface and therefore it is >> useful to continue to utilize the mechanism - but the introduction of a >> MUST here is in contradiction to the earlier quote from Section 2 (see >> above). It also raises the unanswered question as to how long a host >> MUST continue to send RSs once it has received an RA. >> > > The exception text was added to allow such hosts to turn off soliciting o= n > IPv4-only links. Once an RA is received from a router (even when the rout= er > is not willing to the default router), it signals to the host that the li= nk > is not an IPv4-only link. Hence the MUST for the host to continue sending > the RSes. Does that make sense? > > >> Nits: >> >> Should you decide to keep the above sentence in Section 2.1 note that >> "recieved" is misspelled. :-) >> > > Will fix. Thanks. > > Regards > Suresh > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --=20 james woodyatt Nest Labs, Communications Engineering --089e0149d0b2f7b701050f614619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The inference that a link is not IPv4-only after receiving= an ICMPv6 Route Advertisement message with zero lifetime is interesting.
Here's why an interesting thing to me: on my home net= work, the Nest Protect and Nest Learning Thermostats periodically send RA m= essages with zero lifetime, so they can inform hosts of the ULA prefix assi= gned for what we call their "fabric" (an application protocol con= cept).=C2=A0 Therefore, under the requirement language in this draft, hosts= that implement Resilient Router Solicitation on links where Nest devices a= re present, which are otherwise functionally IPv4-only, will never stop sen= ding their RS messages. So, the objective here=E2=80=94 allowing hosts to t= urn off soliciting on IPv4-only links=E2=80=94 seems like it might be diffi= cult to achieve on networks where RA messages are only ever used for local = prefix distribution and no IPv6 default router is actually deployed.
<= div>
I actually think the more problematic sentence is the fi= rst one Mr. Ginsberg quoted, not the second one.=C2=A0 I don't think ho= sts can easily infer that a link is IPv4-only, and the sentence that says h= osts may stop sending RS messages when "it is willing to accept that n= o [IPv6 default] router exists [or will exist in the foreseeable future]&qu= ot; is the one that's loaded with too much ambiguity [see my bracketed = assumptions, which may be wrong].

I'm not sure= what to say about this except that maybe allowing hosts to stop sending RS= messages because they have inferred that the network is IPv4-only is an un= necessary concession to legacy deployments. Perhaps it would be better to d= efine a new DHCPv4 option that dual-stack hosts may use as an explicit sign= al that IPv6 Resilient Router Solicitation is unwelcome on the link.
<= /div>

On Tue, Feb = 17, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.= com> wrote:
Hi Les,
=C2=A0 Thanks a lot for your review. Please find my responses inline.

On 02/16/2015 05:09 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:
Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing
Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/= trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them throug
<= /span> discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-04
 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6m= an-resilient-rs/>


Reviewer: Les Ginsberg

Review Date: February 16, 2015

IETF LC End Date: February 16, 2015

Intended Status: Standard

Summary:=C2=A0 This document is basically ready for publication, but has on= e
substantive issue that would require some text changes prior to publication= .

Major Issues: None

Minor Issues: I admit to not having followed the progress of this
document prior to my review - but I have read the email archives and do
understand that the scope of this document has been deliberately limited and there has been significant "wordsmithing" of the document to = reflect
the limited scope. I am therefore a bit reluctant to suggest further
changes - but I thought this might be worth discussing.

The mechanism defined in this document allows a host to send RSs beyond
what is defined in RFC 4861. Use of this mechanism is optional. The only MUST which this document imposes is that if a host chooses to use the
mechanism defined it MUST use the backoff algorithm defined in Section 2 of this document. However, Section 2 explicitly states that a host is
free to cease sending RSs whenever

"it is willing to accept that no router exists"

I therefore find the following sentence in Section 2.1 inappropriate:

"If an RA is recieved from a router and it does not result in a defaul= t
route (i.e. Router Lifetime is zero) the host MUST continue
retransmitting the RSs."

I think this sentence should be removed. I believe the intent of the
sentence is to indicate that the reception of an RA provides positive
indication that IPv6 is enabled on the interface and therefore it is
useful to continue to utilize the mechanism - but the introduction of a
MUST here is in contradiction to the earlier quote from Section 2 (see
above). It also raises the unanswered question as to how long a host
MUST continue to send RSs once it has received an RA.

The exception text was added to allow such hosts to turn off soliciting on = IPv4-only links. Once an RA is received from a router (even when the router= is not willing to the default router), it signals to the host that the lin= k is not an IPv4-only link. Hence the MUST for the host to continue sending= the RSes. Does that make sense?


Nits:

Should you decide to keep the above sentence in Section 2.1 note that
"recieved" is misspelled. :-)

 Will fix. Thanks.

Regards
Suresh

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ipv6@ietf.org
Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6
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--
james woodyatt <jhw@nestlabs.com>
Nest Labs,= Communications Engineering
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Sorry, I missed one more comm= ent below:
Section 7 Security Considerations
[Lizhong]= the single side provisioning mode will allow one node to trigger another= =0A
node to setup LSP. This will introduce some security issue for t= he remote node. =0A
Some administrative police may be introduced to = allow/deny others to trigger LSP setup.=0A

=0A
Regards
Lizhong
=0A
 
<= b>Date: 2015-02-19 17:21
Su= bject: RtgDir Review of draft-ietf-teas-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associ= ated-lsp-02
=0A
Hello
 
=
I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for= this draft.
The Routing Directorate seeks to re= view all routing or routing-related
drafts as th= ey pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide=
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more infor= mation about the Routing
<= font face=3D"=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91">Directorate, please see= =E2=80=8B
 
Although these comments are prim= arily for the use of the Routing ADs, it
would b= e helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolv= e them through
discussion or by updating the dr= aft.
 
Document:=  Reviewer: Lizhong Jin
Review Date:= 19 February 2015
IETF LC End Date: N/A
Intended Status: Standard Track
 
Summary:
The document i= s basically ready for publication. I found some minor issues, and hope
to see the clarification.=

Commnets:
I pat= icipate the initial discussion of this draft. I am lucky to review it again. Overall, the
proce= ssing rule of independent provisioning hope to be explicitly <= span style=3D"font-family: =E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91; font-size= : 10.5pt; background-color: window;">described. 
No major= issues, some minor issues need to be clarified.

Major issues: No

M= inor issues:
Section 3.2
In each of the = situations described above, both provisioning models=0A
are applicab= le.=0A
[Lizhong]: for the second situations above, how could you let th= e reverse LSP =0A
to be existed before the forward LSP for single si= de provisioning? Wouldn't the 
reverse LSP = trigger another reverse = LSP?

Section 3.2.1. 
For the single sided = provisioning model, creation of reverse LSP1 is=0A
triggered by LSP2= or creation of reverse LSP2 is triggered by LSP1. =0A
When creation= of reverse LSP2 is triggered by LSP1, LSP1 is=0A
provisioned first = (or refreshed if LSP1 already exists) at node A. =0A
[Lizhong]: LSP1 an= d LSP2 is in Firgure1? Better to explicitly say that in
= the document.

 A similar procedure is used if= LSP2 is provisioned first at node B=0A
and the creation of reverse = LSP1 at node A is either triggered by=0A
LSP2 or the reverse LSP1 ex= isted. In all three scenarios, the two=0A
unidirectional LSPs are b= ound together to form an associated=0A
bidirectional LSP based on id= entical (Extended) ASSOCIATION Objects=0A
in the two LSPs' Path mess= ages.=0A
[Lizhong]: I doubt if the following scenario is realistic in S= ingle Sided Provisioning. =0A
LSP2 is provisioned first, reverse LSP= 1 at node A is existed before LSP2.=0A
The what is the Association T= ype in reverse LSP1? Before LSP2, will the reverse 
LSP1 trigger another LSP? 
<= /font>

Section 5. Processing Rules=0A
In general, the processing rules f= or the ASSOCIATION Object are as=0A
specified in [RFC4872] and Exten= ded ASSOCIATION Object are specified=0A
in [RFC6780]. Following sec= tions describe the rules for processing=0A
(Extended) ASSOCIATION an= d REVERSE_LSP objects for associated=0A
bidirectional LSPs.=0A
[L= izhong]: across the draft, it is not explicitly saying what is the process= ing 
rules for independent provisioning. It is better to say it here or ot= her place.

Section 5.1
(E= xtended)=0AASSOCIATION Objects with both single sided and double sided=0A<= br> Association Types MUST NOT be added in the same Path message.=0A
= [Lizhong]: what if two types exist together? Only use the first one?
<= font face=3D"=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91">
Section 5.2
The REVERSE_LSP Object MUST NOT be= =0Aincluded in a REVERSE_LSP Object.=0A
[Lizhong]: typo here?

Section 5.3
In particular, any object that was=0Acopied as p= art of initial Path message creation MUST
be copied when=0Amodified. =0A
[= Lizhong]: not understood "copied when modified", is it "copied after modif= ied"?
=0A

In both cases, when the egres= s node receives a PathTear message the=0A
node MUST remove the assoc= iated reverse LSP using Standard PathTear=0A
message processing. Te= ar down of the reverse LSP for other reasons=0A
SHOULD NOT trigger r= emoval of the initiating LSP, but SHOULD result=0A
in the egress nod= e sending a PathErr with Error code "Admission=0A
Control Failure (0= 1) [RFC2205]" and Sub-code "Reverse LSP Failure"=0A
defined in this = document.=0A
[Lizhong]: the above description is not accurate. What if = the egress node have
forward LSP down because of l= ocal link down? In that case, it will not receive
PathTear, it is still need to tear down the reverse LSP? It should say, = whenever 
the forward LSP is down, the revers= e LSP SHOULD be removed. 
Curtis Villamizar writes: > > So far I got one message from a co-author and its not encouraging: > > ning.so@tatacommunications.com > (generated from draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org) > SMTP error from remote mail server \ > after RCPT TO:: > host mx5.tatacommunications.com [115.114.148.135]: > 550 #5.1.0 Address rejected. > > At best that counts as an address change at least temporarily to > "unknown". > > This has been idle for very long. Lets give it a week or two and if > no responses, then move use-cases and framework to abandoned state. > If there is interest in the topic later, a new individual submission > can be started (possibly just a framework) and the WG can decide if > there is enough interest to make that new draft a WG item. > > Curtis > > > In message > Jeff Tantsura writes: > > > > Hi Curtis, > > > > Please let me know how would you like to proceed with the draft. > > If you feel it should progress and since Routing Directorate is done with > > no issues found - please resubmit, I'll provide writeup and submit to the > > IESG. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Curtis Villamizar > > Reply-To: "curtis@ipv6.occnc.com" > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 12:06 PM > > To: Joel Halpern > > Cc: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "" > > , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases@tools.ietf.org" > > , "rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org" > > > > Subject: Re: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt > > > > >In message <54C2B86A.6010607@joelhalpern.com> > > >"Joel M. Halpern" writes: > > >> > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this > > >>draft. > > >> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > > >> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and > > >> sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > > >> assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > > >> Directorate, please see > > >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > >> > > >> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, > > >>it > > >> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > > >> Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > > >> discussion or by updating the draft. > > >> > > >> Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-cl-use-cases-06.txt > > >> Advanced Multipath Use Cases and Design Considerations > > >> Reviewer: Joel M. Halpern > > >> Review Date: 23-January-2015 > > >> IETF LC End Date: N/A > > >> Intended Status: Informational > > >> > > >> Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. > > >> > > >> Minor note: This draft appears to have expired. > > > > > > > > >Hello again Joel, > > > > > >FYI - to the Cc. I emailed Joel off list about this. This draft lay > > >dormant in "AD review" for a long time. Apparently the AD shepard had > > >a change of heart about this .. or something. > > > > > >The draft itself could be described as inconsequential but contains > > >parts of earlier CL requirements draft and CL framework that more > > >closely resembled use cases. This draft exists both to be > > >informational and to unclutter the requirements and framework. > > > > > >At this point I can submit another draft. But ... > > > > > >I would like to know from the co-authors two things: > > > > > > 1. Is there still interest in CL aka Advanced Multipath? > > > 2. Any changes in contact information? > > > > > >I'm particularly interested in whether there is interest at Verizon > > >since they were the potential user driving this in the first place. > > >However two of the three Verizon co-authors to the CL drafts are no > > >longer at Verizon. > > > > > >No further replies should be interpreted as "no interest" although an > > >explicit "no interest" would be preferred if that is the case. > > > > > >If there is interest I'll resubmit this. If there is still interest > > >in the framework, we can resurrect that document as well but the > > >framework needs work and discussion had fallen off to nothing by the > > >time it expired. > > > > > >Curtis > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >rtgwg mailing list > > >rtgwg@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg From nobody Sun Feb 22 18:26:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1433F1A00FB; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:26:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.683 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.683 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.981, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: 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Thanks for the quick reply. I rea= d v05, and OK for the changes. One minor comments = below, depends on you to change or not.

Section 5. Processing Rules 
In general, the processing ru= les for the ASSOCIATION Object are as 
specified in [RFC4872] and = Extended ASSOCIATION Object are specified 
in [RFC6780]. Following= sections describe the rules for processing 
(Extended) ASSOCIATIO= N and REVERSE_LSP objects for associated 
bidirectional LSPs. = ;
[Lizhong]: across the draft, it is not explicitly saying what is the = processing 
rules for independent provisioning. It is better to say it here or other = place.

&= lt;RG> There are related changes in the latest version of the draft, es= pecially with REVERSE_LSP Object usage. Please advise if like to see anyth= ing specific.
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[Lizhong] I lik= e the explict description, like the following. 
Following sections describ= e the rules for processing 
<= span style=3D"font-family: =E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91; line-heig= ht: normal;">(Extended) ASSOCIATION objects for both Single Sided and 
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Double Sided Provisioned LSP, and REVERSE_LSP objects 
only for Single Sided Provisioned LSP.
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Regards
Lizhong
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Dat= e: 2015-02-21 23:08
= Subject: Re: [Teas] RtgDir Review of draft-ietf-teas-mpls-tp-r= svpte-ext-associated-lsp-02
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Hi Lizhong,
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Th= ank you for reviewing the document and providing your comments.
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=0AFrom: "Lizhong com>" <lizho.jin@gm= ail.com>
=0ADate: Thursd= ay, 19 February, 2015 4:49 AM
=0ATo: <= /span>teas <teas@ietf.org>, dra= ft-ietf-teas-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp <draft-ietf-te= as-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp@tools.ietf.org>
=0ACc: rtg-dir <rtg-dir@ietf.org>, teas <teas@ietf.org>, rtg-ads <rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org>
=0ASubject: Re: [Teas] RtgDir Review of draft-ietf-teas-mpls-tp-rsv= pte-ext-associated-lsp-02
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= Sorry, I missed one more comment below:
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Section 7 Security Conside= rations
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[Lizhong] the single side provisioning mode will allow one node to= trigger another=0A
=0Anode to setup LSP. This will introduce some secu= rity issue for the remote node.
=0ASome administrative police may be i= ntroduced to allow/deny others to trigger LSP setup.
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<RG> Agree,= updated in the latest revision (05).
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= Regards
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Lizhong
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Date: 2015-02-19 17:21
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Subject: RtgDir Review of draft-ietf-teas-mpls-tp-rsvp= te-ext-associated-lsp-02
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<= font face=3D"=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91">Hello
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I have been selected as = the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.
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The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-relate= d
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drafts as they pass through IETF last call= and IESG review, and
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<= font face=3D"=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91">sometimes on special re= quest. The purpose of the review is to provide
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assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing=
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Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B=0A=0A
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Although these comments are primarily for = the use of the Routing ADs, it
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would be helpf= ul if you could consider them along with any other IETF
=0ALast Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them= through
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discussion or by updating the draft.=
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Docume= nt: draft-ietf-teas-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp-02=0A
Reviewer: Lizhong Jin
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Rev= iew Date: 19 February 2015
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IETF LC End Date: = N/A
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Intended Status: Standard Track<= /div>=0A
 
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The document is basically ready for publication. I found some mi= nor issues,=0A and hope<= /span>
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I paticipate the initial discussion= of this draft. I am lucky to review it again. Overall, the
=0Aprocessing rule of independent p= rovisioning hope to be explicitly described. 
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No major issues, some minor issu= es need to be clarified.
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In each of the situations described above, both provisioning models= =0A
=0Aare applicable.
=0A[Lizhong]: for the second situations abov= e, how could you let the reverse LSP
=0Ato be existed before the forwa= rd LSP for single side provisioning? Wouldn't the 
=0Areverse LSP trigger another reverse LSP?
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Section 3.2.1.&= nbsp;
=0AFor the single sided provisioning model, creation of reverse L= SP1 is
=0Atriggered by LSP2 or creation of reverse LSP2 is triggered b= y LSP1.
=0AWhen creation of reverse LSP2 is triggered by LSP1, LSP1 is=
=0Aprovisioned first (or refreshed if LSP1 already exists) at node A.=
=0A[Lizhong]: LSP1 and LSP2 is in Firgure1? Better to explicitly say = that in
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the= document.
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 A similar procedure= =0A is used if LSP2 is provisioned first at node B
=0Aand the creation= of reverse LSP1 at node A is either triggered by
=0ALSP2 or the rever= se LSP1 existed. In all three scenarios, the two
=0Aunidirectional LSP= s are bound together to form an associated
=0Abidirectional LSP based = on identical (Extended) ASSOCIATION Objects
=0Ain the two LSPs' Path m= essages.
=0A[Lizhong]: I doubt if the following scenario is realistic = in Single Sided Provisioning.=0A
=0ALSP2 is provisioned first, reverse = LSP1 at node A is existed before LSP2.
=0AThe what is the Association = Type in reverse LSP1? Before LSP2, will the reverse 
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<RG>  Fixed.=
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Section 5= . Processing Rules=0A
=0AIn general, the processing rules for the ASSOC= IATION Object are as
=0Aspecified in [RFC4872] and Extended ASSOCIATIO= N Object are specified
=0Ain [RFC6780]. Following sections describe th= e rules for processing
=0A(Extended) ASSOCIATION and REVERSE_LSP objec= ts for associated
=0Abidirectional LSPs.
=0A[Lizhong]: across the = draft, it is not explicitly saying what is the processing 
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rules for independent= provisioning. It is better to say it here or=0A other place.
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<RG> There are related changes in the= latest version of the draft, especially with REVERSE_LSP Object usage. Pl= ease advise if like to see anything specific.
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Section 5.1
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(Extended) ASSOCIATION=0A Objects wi= th both single sided and double sided
=0AAssociation Types MUST NOT be= added in the same Path message.
=0A[Lizhong]: what if two types exist= together? Only use the first one?
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The REVERSE_LSP Object MUST NOT be included i= n a REVERSE_LSP Object.=0A
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<RG> The document does not allow nested REVERSE_LSP= Objects.
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In = particular, any object that was copied as part of initial Path=0A message = creation MUST
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be copied when modified.=0A
=0A[Lizhong]: not understood "copied when = modified", is it "copied after modified"?
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In both cases, when the egress node receives a PathTear message the= =0A
=0Anode MUST remove the associated reverse LSP using Standard PathT= ear
=0Amessage processing. Tear down of the reverse LSP for other reas= ons
=0ASHOULD NOT trigger removal of the initiating LSP, but SHOULD re= sult
=0Ain the egress node sending a PathErr with Error code "Admissio= n
=0AControl Failure (01) [RFC2205]" and Sub-code "Reverse LSP Failure= "
=0Adefined in this document.
=0A[Lizhong]: the above description= is not accurate. What if the egress node have
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forward LSP down= because of local link down? In that case, it will not receive
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= PathTear, it is still need to tear down the reverse LSP? It should say, wh= enever 
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the forward LSP is down, the reverse LSP SHOULD = be removed. 
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<RG> Fi= xed.
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Many thanks again,
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Rak= esh
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