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From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
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Hi Loa,

Thanks much for your review!

I will be posting a new revision addressing all your comments =E2=80=94 =
in the meantime, please see inline.

> On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this =
draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG =
review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is =
to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the =
Routing Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B =
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir
>=20
> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, =
it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.
>=20
> Document: draft-ietf-l2tpext-sbfd-discriminator-01.txt
> Reviewer: Loa Andersson
> Review Date: 2015-12-18
> IETF LC End Date: date-if-known
> Intended Status: Proposed Standard (ID says Standards track)
>=20
> Summary:
>=20
>    I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should =
be resolved before publication.
>=20
> Comments:
>=20
>     I have considerable problems reading the draft, first it does not
> really follow RFC 7322 in some important details, also the format =
figure
> (as I understand it) is misleading. The document need a facelift.
>=20
>=20

Will work on it. Thanks. See below.

>=20
> Major Issues:
>=20
>    "No major issues found."
>=20
> Minor Issues:
>=20
>    Even though the nit-picking below is pretty massive, it is purely
> editorial and should be fixed before going to IETF Last Call. I have
> no real concerns about the technical content

Ack =E2=80=94 thanks!

>=20
> Abstract:
> ---------
>    I used often "my immediate manager" as a reference and said that
> the abstract should give her/him a good idea about what the draft is
> about. I don't think the abstract meet that standard. Could you please
> flesh out.

I updated the Abstract a bit, but have in mind it is also very =
consistent with draft-ietf-isis-sbfd-discriminator and =
draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator

>=20
>    RFC 7322 says that "Similarly, the Abstract should be complete
> in itself.  It will appear in isolation in publication announcements
> and in the online index of RFCs." If I encounter this and is not up to
> speed on l2tp and bfd, this does not give a good idea what it is =
about.
>=20

Someone not up to speed with the basicmost concepts of BFD and L2TP as =
used in the abstract, should do some additional reading before this =
document...

> Abbreviations
>=20
> RFC 7322 says:
>   Abbreviations should be expanded in document titles and upon first
>   use in the document.  The full expansion of the text should be
>   followed by the abbreviation itself in parentheses.  The exception =
is
>   an abbreviation that is so common that the readership of RFCs can be
>   expected to recognize it immediately; examples include (but are not
>   limited to) TCP, IP, SNMP, and HTTP.  The online list of
>   abbreviations [ABBR] provides guidance.  Some cases are marginal, =
and
>   the RFC Editor will make the final judgment, weighing obscurity
>   against complexity.
>=20
> The abbreviations are not expanded in title, abstract, and some other
> places, nor are they "well-known=E2=80=9D.

Agreed. Good point. Added a Terminology section, and expanded some =
abbrevs on first use.

>=20
> Examples
> AVP - the RFC Editor abbreviation list gives two expansions, since =
this
> is l2tp I come to the conclusion that this is "attribute-value pair" =
and
> not the wellknow "Audio-Visual Profile (AVP)"
>=20
> S-BFD - BFD is not well-known, and S-BFD is not even in the RFC =
Editors
> abbreviations list.
>=20
> L2TPv3 - L2TP or L2TPv3 are not well-know. There is no RFC that does
> not expand the abbreviation in the title.
>=20
> ICRQ, ICRP, OCRQ, and OCRP are sued but not expanded, the pointer to =
where to find the expansions (RFC 3931) are nit give until the third
> time the quartet is mentioned
>=20
> LCCE - used but not expanded. nor well-known.
> The RFC Editor abbreviations has two expansions
> LCCE       - Logical Cluster Computing Environment (LCCE) or
>           - L2TP Control Connection Endpoint (RFCs 3931 and 4719)
> Since this is is L2TP context, it is the latter that is correct, but
> since we have an ambiguity we need to expand.
>=20

Ack. Thanks.

> Section 2
>=20
> I have a problem parsing this sentence:
>=20
>   This AVP is exchanged during session negotiation (ICRQ, ICRP, OCRQ,
>   OCRP).
>=20
> Do you mean to say
>=20
>   The "S-BFD Target Discriminator ID" AVP is exchanged using the ICRQ,
>   ICRP, OCRQ, and OCRP control messages during session negotiations.
>=20

Yes, fixed.

> Section 2.1
>   There is a TBD in the first sentence of this paragraph. While I
>   agree that TDB is "well-know" I prefer using [TBA by IANA],
>   where TBA stands for To Be Assigned.
>   If you change this you also need to change in the IANA section.
>=20

OK =E2=80=94 it really does not matter as this should be assigned before =
publication.

> Excuse me if I don't understand this figure
>=20
>                                                     No. of octets
>                 +-----------------------------+
>                 | Discriminator Value(s)      |     4/Discriminator
>                 :                             :
>                 +-----------------------------+
>=20
> First I think you say that a Discriminator is 4 octets
> Second there can be a variable number of discriminators per attribute
> value field
> The box in your figure seems to 29 bits wide, this is unorthodox.
>=20

It=E2=80=99s the same as in draft-ietf-isis-sbfd-discriminator. The =
figure is clear. It does not show numbers of bits.

>=20
>                  0       1       2       3
>                  01234567012345670123456701234567
>                 +-----------------------------+
>                 | Discriminator Value(s)      |
>                 :                             :
>                 +-----------------------------+
>=20
> Is this what you mean?
>=20
>                  0       1       2       3
>                  01234567012345670123456701234567
>                 +--------------------------------+
>                 | Discriminator Value (1)        |
>                 +--------------------------------+
>                 :                                :
>                 +--------------------------------+
>                 | Discriminator Value (n-1)      |
>                 +--------------------------------+
>                 | Discriminator Value (n)        |
>                 +--------------------------------+
>=20
> Discriminator - a 4 octet value

But sure, I can make it even prettier :-)


>=20
> IANA consideration
>=20
>     There is a practice - which I disagree with - to assume that IANA
> and readers know where to the registries. Please point it out so no
> mistakes are possible.
>=20
> OLD TEXT
> This number space is managed by IANA as per [RFC3438].
>=20
> NEW TEXT
> IANA maintain a sub-registry "Message Type AVP (Attribute Type 0)
> Values" in the "Control Message Attribute Value Pairs" as per
> [RFC3438]. IANA is requested to assign the first free value from this
> sub-registry as the Message typ AVP for "S-BFD Discriminators".
>=20
>=20

Thanks for this text

> Nits:
>=20
> The nits tool does only give us the date warning.
>=20
> /Loa
>=20

Thanks again, Loa!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.


>=20
>=20
> --
>=20
>=20
> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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Good catch!

ICCN/OCCN should not be included. Fixed.

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 12:54 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>=20
> Deborah, authors,
>=20
> I found one more small glitch.
>=20
> At most place the document says that the "S-BFD Target Discriminator
> ID" AVP goes with ICRQ, ICRP, OCRQ, and OCRP.
>=20
> But section 2.1. includes ICCN also.
>=20
> /Loa
>=20
> On 2015-12-18 22:22, Loa Andersson wrote:
>>  Hello,
>>=20
>> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this =
draft.
>> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related
>> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and
>> sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide
>> assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing
>> Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B
>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir
>>=20
>> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, =
it
>> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF
>> Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them =
through
>> discussion or by updating the draft.
>>=20
>> Document: draft-ietf-l2tpext-sbfd-discriminator-01.txt
>> Reviewer: Loa Andersson
>> Review Date: 2015-12-18
>> IETF LC End Date: date-if-known
>> Intended Status: Proposed Standard (ID says Standards track)
>>=20
>> Summary:
>>=20
>>     I have some minor concerns about this document that I think =
should
>> be resolved before publication.
>>=20
>> Comments:
>>=20
>>      I have considerable problems reading the draft, first it does =
not
>> really follow RFC 7322 in some important details, also the format =
figure
>> (as I understand it) is misleading. The document need a facelift.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Major Issues:
>>=20
>>     "No major issues found."
>>=20
>> Minor Issues:
>>=20
>>     Even though the nit-picking below is pretty massive, it is purely
>> editorial and should be fixed before going to IETF Last Call. I have
>> no real concerns about the technical content
>>=20
>> Abstract:
>> ---------
>>     I used often "my immediate manager" as a reference and said that
>> the abstract should give her/him a good idea about what the draft is
>> about. I don't think the abstract meet that standard. Could you =
please
>> flesh out.
>>=20
>>     RFC 7322 says that "Similarly, the Abstract should be complete
>> in itself.  It will appear in isolation in publication announcements
>> and in the online index of RFCs." If I encounter this and is not up =
to
>> speed on l2tp and bfd, this does not give a good idea what it is =
about.
>>=20
>> Abbreviations
>>=20
>> RFC 7322 says:
>>    Abbreviations should be expanded in document titles and upon first
>>    use in the document.  The full expansion of the text should be
>>    followed by the abbreviation itself in parentheses.  The exception =
is
>>    an abbreviation that is so common that the readership of RFCs can =
be
>>    expected to recognize it immediately; examples include (but are =
not
>>    limited to) TCP, IP, SNMP, and HTTP.  The online list of
>>    abbreviations [ABBR] provides guidance.  Some cases are marginal, =
and
>>    the RFC Editor will make the final judgment, weighing obscurity
>>    against complexity.
>>=20
>> The abbreviations are not expanded in title, abstract, and some other
>> places, nor are they "well-known".
>>=20
>> Examples
>> AVP - the RFC Editor abbreviation list gives two expansions, since =
this
>> is l2tp I come to the conclusion that this is "attribute-value pair" =
and
>> not the wellknow "Audio-Visual Profile (AVP)"
>>=20
>> S-BFD - BFD is not well-known, and S-BFD is not even in the RFC =
Editors
>> abbreviations list.
>>=20
>> L2TPv3 - L2TP or L2TPv3 are not well-know. There is no RFC that does
>> not expand the abbreviation in the title.
>>=20
>> ICRQ, ICRP, OCRQ, and OCRP are sued but not expanded, the pointer to
>> where to find the expansions (RFC 3931) are nit give until the third
>> time the quartet is mentioned
>>=20
>> LCCE - used but not expanded. nor well-known.
>> The RFC Editor abbreviations has two expansions
>> LCCE       - Logical Cluster Computing Environment (LCCE) or
>>            - L2TP Control Connection Endpoint (RFCs 3931 and 4719)
>> Since this is is L2TP context, it is the latter that is correct, but
>> since we have an ambiguity we need to expand.
>>=20
>> Section 2
>>=20
>> I have a problem parsing this sentence:
>>=20
>>    This AVP is exchanged during session negotiation (ICRQ, ICRP, =
OCRQ,
>>    OCRP).
>>=20
>> Do you mean to say
>>=20
>>    The "S-BFD Target Discriminator ID" AVP is exchanged using the =
ICRQ,
>>    ICRP, OCRQ, and OCRP control messages during session negotiations.
>>=20
>> Section 2.1
>>    There is a TBD in the first sentence of this paragraph. While I
>>    agree that TDB is "well-know" I prefer using [TBA by IANA],
>>    where TBA stands for To Be Assigned.
>>    If you change this you also need to change in the IANA section.
>>=20
>> Excuse me if I don't understand this figure
>>=20
>>                                                      No. of octets
>>                  +-----------------------------+
>>                  | Discriminator Value(s)      |     4/Discriminator
>>                  :                             :
>>                  +-----------------------------+
>>=20
>> First I think you say that a Discriminator is 4 octets
>> Second there can be a variable number of discriminators per attribute
>> value field
>> The box in your figure seems to 29 bits wide, this is unorthodox.
>>=20
>>=20
>>                   0       1       2       3
>>                   01234567012345670123456701234567
>>                  +-----------------------------+
>>                  | Discriminator Value(s)      |
>>                  :                             :
>>                  +-----------------------------+
>>=20
>> Is this what you mean?
>>=20
>>                   0       1       2       3
>>                   01234567012345670123456701234567
>>                  +--------------------------------+
>>                  | Discriminator Value (1)        |
>>                  +--------------------------------+
>>                  :                                :
>>                  +--------------------------------+
>>                  | Discriminator Value (n-1)      |
>>                  +--------------------------------+
>>                  | Discriminator Value (n)        |
>>                  +--------------------------------+
>>=20
>> Discriminator - a 4 octet value
>>=20
>> IANA consideration
>>=20
>>      There is a practice - which I disagree with - to assume that =
IANA
>> and readers know where to the registries. Please point it out so no
>> mistakes are possible.
>>=20
>> OLD TEXT
>> This number space is managed by IANA as per [RFC3438].
>>=20
>> NEW TEXT
>> IANA maintain a sub-registry "Message Type AVP (Attribute Type 0)
>> Values" in the "Control Message Attribute Value Pairs" as per
>> [RFC3438]. IANA is requested to assign the first free value from this
>> sub-registry as the Message typ AVP for "S-BFD Discriminators".
>>=20
>>=20
>> Nits:
>>=20
>> The nits tool does only give us the date warning.
>>=20
>> /Loa
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20


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Thanks Manav for this second RTG-Dir review (the first one from Dec 18th =
by Loa)

Please see inline. The upcoming rev will address all your minor =
concerns.

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 7:55 AM, Manav Bhatia <manav@ionosnetworks.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this =
draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG =
review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is =
to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the =
Routing Directorate, please see  =
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir>
>=20
> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, =
it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.
>=20
> Document: draft-ietf-l2tpext-sbfd-discriminator-01.txt
> Reviewer: Manav Bhatia
> Review Date: 2015-12-31
> IETF LC End Date: date-if-known
> Intended Status: Proposed Standard (ID says Standards track)
>=20
> Summary:
>=20
> I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be =
resolved before publication.
>=20
> Comments:
>=20
> I have issues in general readability of the draft. There were parts =
that were not very clear but that could also be because i am not very =
conversant with L2TP.
>=20
> Major Issues:
>=20
> 1. The document describes how one or more than one S-BFD descriminator =
can be advertised using L2TPv3 AVP. The draft when originally written =
was inline with the popular idea then, that a node MAY want to advertise =
more than one S-BFD descriminator. This idea however, is losing currency =
since the reason that necessitated this capability is now being =
questioned. Given this, the authors might need to rewrite sections of =
this draft, if the consensus is to remove the notion of advertising =
multiple discriminators.

Consensus on this item seems to be that the advertisement vehicles =
(OSPF, ISIS, L2TP) should allow for multiple discriminators, while the =
sbfd spec can constrain this to one.

Based on this, there is no change needed on this doc on this point =
(other than editorials as also pointed out by Loa).

>=20
> Minor Issues:
>=20
> 1. Most of the acroynms have not been expanded and referenced.
>=20

Ack =E2=80=94 fixed.

> 2. The figure in the draft is not clear. I dont even want to guess how =
that needs to be interpreted.
>=20

No need to guess, it=E2=80=99s the same as with the ISIS draft (and a =
format which is quite common actually).

Nonetheless, I added an additional figure to completely disambiguate =
potential problems or misinterpretations. I hope the new figure is =
clear.

> Cheers, Manav

Thanks again, Manav!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.


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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thanks Manav for this second RTG-Dir review (the first one =
from Dec 18th by Loa)<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Please see inline. The upcoming rev will address all your =
minor concerns.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 31, 2015, at 7:55 AM, =
Manav Bhatia &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manav@ionosnetworks.com" =
class=3D"">manav@ionosnetworks.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Hello,<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for =
this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG =
review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is =
to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the =
Routing Directorate, please see &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir" =
class=3D"">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Although these comments are primarily for the =
use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them =
along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and =
strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Document: =
draft-ietf-l2tpext-sbfd-discriminator-01.txt<br class=3D"">Reviewer: =
Manav Bhatia<br class=3D"">Review Date: 2015-12-31<br class=3D"">IETF LC =
End Date: date-if-known<br class=3D"">Intended Status: Proposed Standard =
(ID says Standards track)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Summary:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have some minor concerns about this document =
that I think should be resolved before publication.<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Comments:</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have issues in general =
readability of the draft. There were parts that were not very clear but =
that could also be because i am not very conversant with =
L2TP.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Major Issues:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">1. The document describes how one or more =
than one S-BFD descriminator can be advertised using L2TPv3 AVP. The =
draft when originally written was inline with the popular idea then, =
that a node MAY want to advertise more than one S-BFD descriminator. =
This idea however, is losing currency since the reason that necessitated =
this capability is now being questioned. Given this, the authors might =
need to rewrite sections of this draft, if the consensus is to remove =
the notion of advertising multiple =
discriminators.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Consensus on this item seems to be that the =
advertisement vehicles (OSPF, ISIS, L2TP) should allow for multiple =
discriminators, while the sbfd spec can constrain this to =
one.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Based on this, there is no =
change needed on this doc on this point (other than editorials as also =
pointed out by Loa).</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Minor =
Issues:<br class=3D""></div></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">1. Most of the acroynms =
have not been expanded and referenced.</div></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Ack =E2=80=94 fixed.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D"">2. The figure in the draft is not clear. I dont even want to =
guess how that needs to be interpreted.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>No need to guess, it=E2=80=99s the same as with =
the ISIS draft (and a format which is quite common =
actually).</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Nonetheless, I added an =
additional figure to completely disambiguate potential problems or =
misinterpretations. I hope the new figure is clear.</div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Cheers, Manav</div></div>
</div></blockquote><br class=3D""></div><div>Thanks again, =
Manav!</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>=E2=80=94 Carlos.</div><br =
class=3D""></div></body></html>=

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Daniele:=20

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Thank you for this review. =20

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Sue Hares=20

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From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele =
Ceccarelli
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Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-trill-tree-selection-01

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Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and =
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide =
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing =
Directorate, please see  =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir> =
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-trill-tree-selection-01
Reviewer: Daniele Ceccarelli
Review Date: Jan 07 2015
IETF LC End Date: September 2015=20
Intended Status: Standard Track

Summary:=20

*	This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that =
should be considered prior to publication.=20

Comments:

*	Overall the draft if well written and easy to understand. I found it =
quite difficult to go through section 1 but I guess it=E2=80=99s due to =
my lack of knowledge of the technology. A rearrangement accordingly to =
the minor issues IMO would improve readability of the document. =20

Major Issues:

*	No major issues found

Minor Issues:

*	Section 3.2 =E2=80=93 A list of the 4 TLVs with their name and one =
sentence summarizing its use would improve readability. Same applies in =
the following to e.g. section 3.2.1 where the paragraph before the =
figure is not very clear on the usage of the TLV.
*	Section 3.5 =E2=80=93 Section 3.5 defines a fifth TLV, why not listing =
it with the other 4 ?

Nits:

*	Section 1.1: s/ the ingress RBridge use/the ingress RBridge uses
*	Section 2: s/campus/Campus
*	Section 3.1 s/is/has ??
*	Section 3.3 s/rfc7180bis/RFC7180bis

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Daniele: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thank you for this =
review.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue Hares =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele =
Ceccarelli<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:52 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> &lt;rtg-ads@ietf.org&gt; =
(rtg-ads@ietf.org)<br><b>Cc:</b> =
draft-ietf-trill-tree-selection.all@tools.ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; =
trill@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: =
draft-ietf-trill-tree-selection-01<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I have been selected as the =
Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate =
seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass =
through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special =
request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the =
Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please =
see<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir"><span =
class=3Dicon><span style=3D'color:#440088'>=E2=80=8B</span></span><span =
style=3D'color:#440088'>http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/Rtg=
Dir</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Although these comments are =
primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you =
could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that =
you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by =
updating the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Document:<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;draft-ietf-trill-tree-selection-01</s=
pan><br>Reviewer: Daniele Ceccarelli<br>Review Date: Jan 07 2015<br>IETF =
LC End Date: September 2015<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br>Intended Status: Standard =
Track<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:wh=
ite;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>Summary:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul =
type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l4 level1 lfo1;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>This document is =
basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered =
prior to publication. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:wh=
ite'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>Comments:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l2 level1 lfo2;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Overall the draft if =
well written and easy to understand. I found it quite difficult to go =
through section 1 but I guess it=E2=80=99s due to my lack of knowledge =
of the technology. A rearrangement accordingly to the minor issues IMO =
would improve readability of the document. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:wh=
ite'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>Major Issues:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>No major issues =
found<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:wh=
ite'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>Minor Issues:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l0 level1 lfo4;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Section 3.2 =E2=80=93 A =
list of the 4 TLVs with their name and one sentence summarizing its use =
would improve readability. Same applies in the following to e.g. section =
3.2.1 where the paragraph before the figure is not very clear on the =
usage of the TLV.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l0 level1 lfo4;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Section 3.5 =E2=80=93 =
Section 3.5 defines a fifth TLV, why not listing it with the other 4 =
?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:wh=
ite'><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'>Nits:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><ul type=3Ddisc><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l3 level1 lfo5;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Section 1.1: s/ the =
ingress RBridge use/the ingress RBridge uses<o:p></o:p></span></li><li =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l3 level1 lfo5;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Section 2: =
s/campus/Campus<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l3 level1 lfo5;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Section 3.1 s/is/has =
??<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;m=
so-list:l3 level1 lfo5;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Section 3.3 =
s/rfc7180bis/RFC7180bis<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BR<br>Daniele<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>
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Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and =
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide =
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing =
Directorate, please see  =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir> =
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =20
Reviewer: Susan Hares=20
Review Date: 1/14/2016=20
Type of Review: QA-Review=20

Summary: 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication.  A few =
editorial nits.=20

Minor issues:=20

1.      Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges =
establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway =
interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and =
gateway IP address.=20

It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.  If the mechanism is =
in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), then it needs =
to be  referred to here. =20

It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface.=20

2.      p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information.=20

There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:  a) a specific withdraw =
TLV, or  b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) without the =
information.=20

If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?  It is not covered any place in the draft.   One way you =
could do this is to include a Type for announce / and a second type for =
delete. =20

If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again.   If you do not =
want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and 7.4) with =
a delete function.=20

These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this lack =
in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.  However, =
this lack needs to be resolved before publication.

Editorial:=20

The majority of this draft is well written.  Here are a few editorial =
comments.  The authors may utilize these editorials or decide not to use =
the editorial suggestions

1)      p. 6

from:  /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four subnets =
each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual layer 2 =
virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet are =
listed as follows:/

to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).  Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, VLAN =
and subnet are listed below:/

2)      p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2.=20

From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no restriction =
on this/

To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/

3)      p. 11 section 5.2=20

Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D=20

4)      p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5=20

from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /

to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/

5)      section 6.2=20

You should check your form of doing the numbered list.  I believe if you =
use a different style of list it will read better.  If the numbers =
=E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the text, then =
this will be easier to read

1.      ESI sends unicast ..

Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =20

2.      Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

3.      Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

4.      Egress RBridge=20

6)      Section 7 =E2=80=93=20

Bullet lists in section 7.1 =E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more =
readable if you used the same form of indentation. =20

Sue Hares (shares@ndzh.com)

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I have been selected as the =
Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate =
seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass =
through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special =
request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the =
Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please =
see<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir"><span =
class=3Dicon><span style=3D'color:#440088'>=E2=80=8B</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#440088'>http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/=
rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Although these comments are =
primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you =
could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that =
you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by =
updating the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: =
1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Document:<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =
<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br>Reviewer: Susan =
Hares <br>Review Date: 1/14/2016 <br>Type of Review: QA-Review =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Summary:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> 2 Minor issue which must be =
resolved before publication. =C2=A0A few editorial nits. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Minor issues: <span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span></span><![endif]><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that =
each of the edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the =
same gateway Mac and gateway IP address. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>It is unclear what specific =
mechanisms allow the different RBridge routers to share the same =
gatewayAC and IP address.=C2=A0 If the mechanism is in section 7.1 =
(Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), then it needs to be=C2=A0 =
referred to here.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>It is clear in the second =
paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will ARP/ND query and provide =
its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway interface. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 =
staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, =
RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, the =
gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that were local to RB1 by =
withdrawing its advertisement of that information. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>There are two ways to withdraw =
advertisement:=C2=A0 a) a specific withdraw TLV, or =C2=A0b) re-announce =
IP Address lists (section 7.3) without the information. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>If this solution uses section 7.1 =
to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 =
how are you going to delete these announcements?=C2=A0 It is not covered =
any place in the draft. =C2=A0=C2=A0One way you could do this is to =
include a Type for announce / and a second type for delete.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>If this solution uses section 7.3 =
or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, you will need to announce all the =
IP addresses again. =C2=A0=C2=A0If you do not want to do this, you could =
duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and 7.4) with a delete function. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>These two issues are listed as =
=E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this lack in the specification can be =
easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.=C2=A0 However, this lack needs to be =
resolved before publication.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Editorial: =
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>The majority of this draft is =
well written. =C2=A0Here are a few editorial comments.=C2=A0 The authors =
may utilize these editorials or decide not to use the editorial =
suggestions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>p. 6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>from:=C2=A0 /ES1 to ES8 belong to =
one tenant, the tenant has four subnets each subnet corresponds to one =
VLAN indicating one individual layer 2 virtual network, each =
ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet are listed as =
follows:/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one =
tenant network and the tenant has four subnets with each subnet =
corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one individual layer 2 =
virtual network).=C2=A0 Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, VLAN and subnet =
are listed below:/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: /It=E2=80=99s =
implementation dependant and there is no restriction on =
this/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>To: /It is implementation =
dependent and there is no restriction on this assignment of =
labels/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>p. 11 section 5.2 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Put a paragraph break before =
=E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC differentiates=E2=80=9D =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>from: /the RBridge decapsulates =
the TRILL encapsulation and check the Inner.MacDA, if =
/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>to: /the RBridge decapsulates the =
TRILL encapsulation and check the Inner.MacDA. =
If/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>section 6.2 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>You should check your form of =
doing the numbered list.=C2=A0 I believe if you use a different style of =
list it will read better.=C2=A0 If the numbers =E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and =
4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the text, then this will be easier to =
read<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo6;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>ESI sends unicast =
..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Additional text after the first =
line should be at this indentation. =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo6;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo6;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo6;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Egress RBridge =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>6)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Section 7 =E2=80=93 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Bullet lists in section 7.1 =
=E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more readable if you used the same form =
of indentation.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Sue Hares =
(shares@ndzh.com)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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Weiquo:=20

=20

The minor points are technical points rather than editorial.  Would you =
consider the technical alternatives I have asked about for #1.   It is =
likely you will get the same questions from other reviewers.=20

=20

On #2, see my expanded text.  I am looking for a bit more detail that =
your suggested text.  You may edit that text a bit. =20

=20

Sue=20

=20

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Subject: Re: [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
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=20

Hi Sue,

Thanks for your great comments.  I will adopt all your editorial =
comments. As for the minor issues, pls see the text changes inline with =
[weiguo].

If you have no problem for the modification,  will update the draft =
ASAP.

weiguo

  _____ =20

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Subject: Routing Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt=20

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and =
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide =
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing =
Directorate, please see  =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir> =
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =20
Reviewer: Susan Hares=20
Review Date: 1/14/2016=20
Type of Review: QA-Review=20

Summary: 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication.  A few =
editorial nits.=20

Minor issues:=20

1.      Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges =
establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway =
interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and =
gateway IP address.=20

It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.  If the mechanism is =
in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), then it needs =
to be  referred to here. =20

[weiguo]: It is relying on configuration to ensure the same gateway Mac =
and gateway IP address on different edge RBridges. So the corresponding =
text change is as follows:

From:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the =
same gateway MAC and gateway IP address.

=20

To:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD =
share the same gateway MAC and gateway IP address. Static configuration =
or other mechanisms can be used here.

=20

  Sue 2:   Static configuration is always a possibility to make things =
work.  However, aligning the gateway MAC and gateway IP quickly via =
configuration implies an OAM or Yang modules to configure.  You should =
plan to create  Yang modules for this configuration.   =20

=20

Did you consider passing the configuration within TRILL in APPsubTLV =
(see section 7.1) from a central location?  It matches the zero =
configuration approach TRILL sends. =20

=20

It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface.=20

=20

2.      p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information.=20

There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:  a) a specific withdraw =
TLV, or  b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) without the =
information.=20

[weiguo]: TRILL uses same mechnism as in IS-IS prototocl for route =
withdrawing, the mechanism is b). So the corresponding text change is as =
follows:

=20

From:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge Rbridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP prefixes that were local to RB1 by withdrawing its =
advertisement of that information.

To:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise =
the local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes =
information of the rest tenants to other edge Rbridges.

=20

Sue: If you are counting on re-advertisement of all prefixes, this text =
should be more precise.=20

=20

If a tenant is deleted on an edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP Prefix associated with RB1 by withdrawing this information =
from TRILL APPsub-TLVs (Tenant Label and MAC, IPv4 Prefix, and IPv6 =
Prefix APPSub-TLVs), and re-advertising the remaining tenant=E2=80=99s =
information for local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP =
prefixes (IPv4 or IPv6).  =20

=20

=20

If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?  It is not covered any place in the draft.   One way you =
could do this is to include a Type for announce / and a second type for =
delete. =20

If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again.   If you do not =
want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and 7.4) with =
a delete function.=20

=20

Sue:  The IS-IS mechanism for withdrawing is to re-advertise without the =
prefix.  The text above is fine for this=20

=20

These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this lack =
in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.  However, =
this lack needs to be resolved before publication.

=20

Editorial:=20

The majority of this draft is well written.  Here are a few editorial =
comments.  The authors may utilize these editorials or decide not to use =
the editorial suggestions

1)      p. 6

from:  /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four subnets =
each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual layer 2 =
virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet are =
listed as follows:/

to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).  Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, VLAN =
and subnet are listed below:/

2)      p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2.=20

From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no restriction =
on this/

To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/

3)      p. 11 section 5.2=20

Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D=20

4)      p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5=20

from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /

to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/

5)      section 6.2=20

You should check your form of doing the numbered list.  I believe if you =
use a different style of list it will read better.  If the numbers =
=E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the text, then =
this will be easier to read

1.      ESI sends unicast ..

Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =20

2.      Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

3.      Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

4.      Egress RBridge=20

6)      Section 7 =E2=80=93=20

Bullet lists in section 7.1 =E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more =
readable if you used the same form of indentation. =20

Sue Hares (shares@ndzh.com)

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Weiquo: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The minor points are =
technical points rather than editorial.=C2=A0 Would you consider the =
technical alternatives I have asked about for #1. =C2=A0=C2=A0It is =
likely you will get the same questions from other reviewers. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>On #2, see my expanded =
text.=C2=A0 I am looking for a bit more detail that your suggested =
text.=C2=A0 You may edit that text a bit. =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Haoweiguo<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 4:09 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; =
trill@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Alia =
Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [trill] Routing Directorate =
review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Sue,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for your =
great comments.&nbsp; I will adopt all your editorial comments. As for =
the minor issues, pls see the text changes inline with =
[weiguo].</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you have no =
problem for the modification,&nbsp; will update the draft =
ASAP.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>weiguo</span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 =
12:26<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.o=
rg</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; Haoweiguo; =
'Donald Eastlake'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'<br><b>Subject:</b> Routing =
Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p=
 style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Hello,</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this =
draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG =
review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is =
to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the =
Routing Directorate, please see<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir" =
target=3D"_blank"><span class=3Dicon><span =
style=3D'color:#440088'>=E2=80=8B</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#440088'>http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/=
rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, =
it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Document:<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =
<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br>Reviewer: Susan =
Hares <br>Review Date: 1/14/2016 <br>Type of Review: QA-Review =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Summary:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication. &nbsp;A few =
editorial nits. </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Minor issues: </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1.</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges establishes its =
gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway interfaces on =
different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and gateway IP =
address. </span></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.&nbsp; If the =
mechanism is in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), =
then it needs to be&nbsp; referred to here.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>[weiguo]: It is relying on configuration to ensure the same gateway Mac =
and gateway IP address on different edge RBridges. So the corresponding =
text change is as follows:</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Because the ESs in a =
subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge =
RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these =
gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway MAC =
and gateway IP address.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To: </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>Because the ESs in a =
subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge =
RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these =
gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD share the same =
gateway MAC and gateway IP address.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#C00000;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>Static configuration =
or other mechanisms can be used here.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0 Sue 2: =C2=A0=C2=A0Static configuration is always a =
possibility to make things work.=C2=A0 However, aligning the gateway MAC =
and gateway IP quickly via configuration implies an OAM or Yang modules =
to configure.=C2=A0 You should plan to create =C2=A0Yang modules for =
this configuration.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Did you consider passing the configuration within TRILL in APPsubTLV =
(see section 7.1) from a central location?=C2=A0 It matches the zero =
configuration approach TRILL sends.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface. </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information. =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:&nbsp; a) a specific =
withdraw TLV, or &nbsp;b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) =
without the information. </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>[weiguo]: TRILL uses same mechnism as in IS-IS prototocl for route =
withdrawing, the mechanism is b). So the corresponding text change is as =
follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>From:</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>If a tenant is deleted =
on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge Rbridges to delete =
the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that were =
local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that =
information.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To:</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>If a tenant is deleted =
on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise the local tenant Label, =
tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes information of the rest =
tenants&nbsp;to other edge Rbridges.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue: If you are counting on re-advertisement of all prefixes, this =
text should be more precise. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If a tenant is deleted on an edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP Prefix associated with RB1 by withdrawing this information =
from TRILL APPsub-TLVs (Tenant Label and MAC, IPv4 Prefix, and IPv6 =
Prefix APPSub-TLVs), and re-advertising the remaining tenant=E2=80=99s =
information for local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP =
prefixes (IPv4 or IPv6).=C2=A0 =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?&nbsp; It is not covered any place in the draft. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;One way you could do this is to include a Type for announce =
/ and a second type for delete.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you =
do not want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and =
7.4) with a delete function. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> Sue:=C2=A0 The IS-IS mechanism for withdrawing is to re-advertise =
without the prefix.=C2=A0 The text above is fine for this =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this =
lack in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.&nbsp; =
However, this lack needs to be resolved before publication.</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Editorial: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>The majority of this draft is well written. &nbsp;Here are a few =
editorial comments.&nbsp; The authors may utilize these editorials or =
decide not to use the editorial suggestions</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 6</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>from:&nbsp; /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four =
subnets each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual =
layer 2 virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet =
are listed as follows:/</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).&nbsp; Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, =
VLAN and subnet are listed below:/</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2. </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no =
restriction on this/</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 11 section 5.2 </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5 </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>5)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>section 6.2 </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>You should check your form of doing the numbered list.&nbsp; I believe =
if you use a different style of list it will read better.&nbsp; If the =
numbers =E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the =
text, then this will be easier to read</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>ESI sends unicast ..</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.75in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =
&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Egress RBridge </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>6)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Section 7 =E2=80=93 </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Bullet lists in section 7.1 =E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more =
readable if you used the same form of indentation.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Sue Hares (<a =
href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com">shares@ndzh.com</a>)</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Mach:

Thank you for the review.   It is very helpful to the I2RS Work.  The =
draft was changed to standards track after the information tracker was =
initialized.  I will work with Alia Atlas to get this changed. =20

As for the rest of the comments, the authors (Joe, Gonzalo or Carlos) =
will answer.=20

Sue=20

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Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-06.txt

Hello,=20

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and =
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide =
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing =
Directorate, please see =
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir=20

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.=20

Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-06.txt=20
 Reviewer: Mach Chen=20
 Review Date: 2016/1/18=20
 IETF LC End Date:=20
 Intended Status: Standard Track=20

Summary:=20
 I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be =
resolved before publication.=20

Comments:=20
 The document is well written and easy to read.
=20

Minor Issues:=20

1.
The draft Intended status shows: Standards Track, but the Intended RFC =
status in the datatracker is "Informational". I think the latter is =
true, right? If so, please update it accordingly.=20


2.
Section 5.2
Client Address:   This is the network address of the Client that
      connected to the Agent.  For example, this may be an IPv4 or IPv6
      address.  [Note: will I2RS support interactions that have no
      network address?  If so this field will need to be updated.]=20

IMHO, the Note should be deleted for a to-be-published document. The =
IPv4 and IPv6 are just examples, the description here does not exclude =
other possibilities.


3. Section 5.2
Requested Operation Data:   This field comprises the data passed to
      the Agent to complete the desired operation.  For example, if the
      operation is a route add operation, the Operation Data would
      include the route prefix, prefix length, and next hop information
      to be inserted as well as the specific routing table to which the
      route will be added.  The operation data can also include
      interface information.

Although the last sentence above is right, why do we need to emphasize =
the "interface information" here? If there is no special intention, I'd =
suggest to remove it.=20


3. Section 5.2
Transaction ID:   The Transaction Identity is an opaque string that
      represents this particular operation is part of a long-running
      I2RS transaction that can consist of multiple...

Here you specify that an Transaction ID is an opaque string, are there =
other possibilities (e.g., uint) ? Since this is just an information =
model, how the data type should be is specific to the data model, I'd =
suggest to remove the data type limitation from this document.


Best regards,
Mach


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Thanks for your comments, Mach.  Responses inline...

On 1/18/16 03:10, Mach Chen wrote:
> 2.
> Section 5.2
> Client Address:   This is the network address of the Client that
>        connected to the Agent.  For example, this may be an IPv4 or IPv6
>        address.  [Note: will I2RS support interactions that have no
>        network address?  If so this field will need to be updated.]
>
> IMHO, the Note should be deleted for a to-be-published document. The IPv4 and IPv6 are just examples, the description here does not exclude other possibilities.

Yep, good catch.

>
>
> 3. Section 5.2
> Requested Operation Data:   This field comprises the data passed to
>        the Agent to complete the desired operation.  For example, if the
>        operation is a route add operation, the Operation Data would
>        include the route prefix, prefix length, and next hop information
>        to be inserted as well as the specific routing table to which the
>        route will be added.  The operation data can also include
>        interface information.
>
> Although the last sentence above is right, why do we need to emphasize the "interface information" here? If there is no special intention, I'd suggest to remove it.

Yes, we'll remove it.  The operation data field should echo the 
"operation data."  No need to be overly prescriptive here.  The example 
ahead of this sentence should suffice to illustrate the intent.

>
>
> 3. Section 5.2
> Transaction ID:   The Transaction Identity is an opaque string that
>        represents this particular operation is part of a long-running
>        I2RS transaction that can consist of multiple...
>
> Here you specify that an Transaction ID is an opaque string, are there other possibilities (e.g., uint) ? Since this is just an information model, how the data type should be is specific to the data model, I'd suggest to remove the data type limitation from this document.

Here we were emphasizing the fact that this can be anything one could 
use to tie multiple operations together in a single transaction.

Joe

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Mach,

Thank you very much for your quick review.

Regards,
Alia

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.
> The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related
> drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes
> on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to
> the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, plea=
se
> see =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir
>
> Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it
> would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Las=
t
> Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through
> discussion or by updating the draft.
>
> Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-06.txt
>  Reviewer: Mach Chen
>  Review Date: 2016/1/18
>  IETF LC End Date:
>  Intended Status: Standard Track
>
> Summary:
>  I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be
> resolved before publication.
>
> Comments:
>  The document is well written and easy to read.
>
>
> Minor Issues:
>
> 1.
> The draft Intended status shows: Standards Track, but the Intended RFC
> status in the datatracker is "Informational". I think the latter is true,
> right? If so, please update it accordingly.
>
>
> 2.
> Section 5.2
> Client Address:   This is the network address of the Client that
>       connected to the Agent.  For example, this may be an IPv4 or IPv6
>       address.  [Note: will I2RS support interactions that have no
>       network address?  If so this field will need to be updated.]
>
> IMHO, the Note should be deleted for a to-be-published document. The IPv4
> and IPv6 are just examples, the description here does not exclude other
> possibilities.
>
>
> 3. Section 5.2
> Requested Operation Data:   This field comprises the data passed to
>       the Agent to complete the desired operation.  For example, if the
>       operation is a route add operation, the Operation Data would
>       include the route prefix, prefix length, and next hop information
>       to be inserted as well as the specific routing table to which the
>       route will be added.  The operation data can also include
>       interface information.
>
> Although the last sentence above is right, why do we need to emphasize th=
e
> "interface information" here? If there is no special intention, I'd sugge=
st
> to remove it.
>
>
> 3. Section 5.2
> Transaction ID:   The Transaction Identity is an opaque string that
>       represents this particular operation is part of a long-running
>       I2RS transaction that can consist of multiple...
>
> Here you specify that an Transaction ID is an opaque string, are there
> other possibilities (e.g., uint) ? Since this is just an information mode=
l,
> how the data type should be is specific to the data model, I'd suggest to
> remove the data type limitation from this document.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Mach
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Mach,<div><br></div><div>Thank you very much for your quic=
k review.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Alia</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 a=
t 3:10 AM, Mach Chen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mach.chen@huaw=
ei.com" target=3D"_blank">mach.chen@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. Th=
e Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts=
 as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on spec=
ial request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Rout=
ing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see =E2=
=80=8B<a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/=
wiki/RtgDir</a><br>
<br>
Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo=
uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Ca=
ll comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion=
 or by updating the draft.<br>
<br>
Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-06.txt<br>
=C2=A0Reviewer: Mach Chen<br>
=C2=A0Review Date: 2016/1/18<br>
=C2=A0IETF LC End Date:<br>
=C2=A0Intended Status: Standard Track<br>
<br>
Summary:<br>
=C2=A0I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be=
 resolved before publication.<br>
<br>
Comments:<br>
=C2=A0The document is well written and easy to read.<br>
<br>
<br>
Minor Issues:<br>
<br>
1.<br>
The draft Intended status shows: Standards Track, but the Intended RFC stat=
us in the datatracker is &quot;Informational&quot;. I think the latter is t=
rue, right? If so, please update it accordingly.<br>
<br>
<br>
2.<br>
Section 5.2<br>
Client Address:=C2=A0 =C2=A0This is the network address of the Client that<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 connected to the Agent.=C2=A0 For example, this may be=
 an IPv4 or IPv6<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 address.=C2=A0 [Note: will I2RS support interactions t=
hat have no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 network address?=C2=A0 If so this field will need to b=
e updated.]<br>
<br>
IMHO, the Note should be deleted for a to-be-published document. The IPv4 a=
nd IPv6 are just examples, the description here does not exclude other poss=
ibilities.<br>
<br>
<br>
3. Section 5.2<br>
Requested Operation Data:=C2=A0 =C2=A0This field comprises the data passed =
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the Agent to complete the desired operation.=C2=A0 For=
 example, if the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 operation is a route add operation, the Operation Data=
 would<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 include the route prefix, prefix length, and next hop =
information<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to be inserted as well as the specific routing table t=
o which the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 route will be added.=C2=A0 The operation data can also=
 include<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 interface information.<br>
<br>
Although the last sentence above is right, why do we need to emphasize the =
&quot;interface information&quot; here? If there is no special intention, I=
&#39;d suggest to remove it.<br>
<br>
<br>
3. Section 5.2<br>
Transaction ID:=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Transaction Identity is an opaque string th=
at<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 represents this particular operation is part of a long=
-running<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I2RS transaction that can consist of multiple...<br>
<br>
Here you specify that an Transaction ID is an opaque string, are there othe=
r possibilities (e.g., uint) ? Since this is just an information model, how=
 the data type should be is specific to the data model, I&#39;d suggest to =
remove the data type limitation from this document.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Mach<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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Weiquo:

See my comments in the first section.  I think we=E2=80=99ve come to a =
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please just send me a copy of the text.

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Cheerily,

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:36 AM
To: Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'
Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

=20

Hi Sue,

Pls see inline with [weiguo].

weiguo

  _____ =20

From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 20:18
To: Haoweiguo; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'
Subject: RE: [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

Weiquo:=20

=20

The minor points are technical points rather than editorial.  Would you =
consider the technical alternatives I have asked about for #1.   It is =
likely you will get the same questions from other reviewers.=20

[weiguo]: I think currently distributed layer 3 gateway should ensure =
configuration consistency. Yes, Yang model can be provided and network =
automation can be achieved through SDN controller to simplify =
provisioning. The specific Yang model designing is out of scope. As for =
your TRILL protocol extension to propagate local configuration, i think =
it's not prefered. The Yang data model based network automation is =
mature.

=20

[Sue]:  OK =E2=80=93 then you simply need to indicate the configuration =
consistency can be done by local configuration and netconf/yang models.  =
 Can you insert an sentence about this in the text?=20

=20

On #2, see my expanded text.  I am looking for a bit more detail that =
your suggested text.  You may edit that text a bit. =20

[weiguo]: I think we don't need to define delete type for route =
withdrawing, we count on re-advertisement of all prefixes, remote =
RBridge make comparison between current prefixs and all previous prefixs =
to check if there are withdrawing routes, the mechanism is similar to =
current IS-IS protocol.

[Sue]: This is a fine solution.  The point is during the period waiting =
for the re-advertisement you may have inconsistent routes.  How long =
will this take?  You need to add a sentence or two indicating this =
solution.=20

=20

=20

=20

From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 4:09 AM
To: Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'
Subject: Re: [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

=20

Hi Sue,

Thanks for your great comments.  I will adopt all your editorial =
comments. As for the minor issues, pls see the text changes inline with =
[weiguo].

If you have no problem for the modification,  will update the draft =
ASAP.

weiguo

  _____ =20

From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:26
To: draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; Haoweiguo; 'Donald Eastlake'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia =
Atlas'
Subject: Routing Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt=20

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and =
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide =
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing =
Directorate, please see  =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir> =
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =20
Reviewer: Susan Hares=20
Review Date: 1/14/2016=20
Type of Review: QA-Review=20

Summary: 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication.  A few =
editorial nits.=20

Minor issues:=20

1.      Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges =
establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway =
interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and =
gateway IP address.=20

It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.  If the mechanism is =
in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), then it needs =
to be  referred to here. =20

[weiguo]: It is relying on configuration to ensure the same gateway Mac =
and gateway IP address on different edge RBridges. So the corresponding =
text change is as follows:

From:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the =
same gateway MAC and gateway IP address.

=20

To:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD =
share the same gateway MAC and gateway IP address. Static configuration =
or other mechanisms can be used here.

=20

  Sue 2:   Static configuration is always a possibility to make things =
work.  However, aligning the gateway MAC and gateway IP quickly via =
configuration implies an OAM or Yang modules to configure.  You should =
plan to create  Yang modules for this configuration.   =20

=20

Did you consider passing the configuration within TRILL in APPsubTLV =
(see section 7.1) from a central location?  It matches the zero =
configuration approach TRILL sends. =20

=20

It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface.=20

=20

2.      p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information.=20

There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:  a) a specific withdraw =
TLV, or  b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) without the =
information.=20

[weiguo]: TRILL uses same mechnism as in IS-IS prototocl for route =
withdrawing, the mechanism is b). So the corresponding text change is as =
follows:

=20

From:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge Rbridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP prefixes that were local to RB1 by withdrawing its =
advertisement of that information.

To:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise =
the local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes =
information of the rest tenants to other edge Rbridges.

=20

Sue: If you are counting on re-advertisement of all prefixes, this text =
should be more precise.=20

=20

If a tenant is deleted on an edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP Prefix associated with RB1 by withdrawing this information =
from TRILL APPsub-TLVs (Tenant Label and MAC, IPv4 Prefix, and IPv6 =
Prefix APPSub-TLVs), and re-advertising the remaining tenant=E2=80=99s =
information for local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP =
prefixes (IPv4 or IPv6).  =20

=20

=20

If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?  It is not covered any place in the draft.   One way you =
could do this is to include a Type for announce / and a second type for =
delete. =20

If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again.   If you do not =
want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and 7.4) with =
a delete function.=20

=20

Sue:  The IS-IS mechanism for withdrawing is to re-advertise without the =
prefix.  The text above is fine for this=20

=20

These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this lack =
in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.  However, =
this lack needs to be resolved before publication.

=20

Editorial:=20

The majority of this draft is well written.  Here are a few editorial =
comments.  The authors may utilize these editorials or decide not to use =
the editorial suggestions

1)      p. 6

from:  /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four subnets =
each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual layer 2 =
virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet are =
listed as follows:/

to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).  Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, VLAN =
and subnet are listed below:/

2)      p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2.=20

From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no restriction =
on this/

To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/

3)      p. 11 section 5.2=20

Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D=20

4)      p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5=20

from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /

to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/

5)      section 6.2=20

You should check your form of doing the numbered list.  I believe if you =
use a different style of list it will read better.  If the numbers =
=E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the text, then =
this will be easier to read

1.      ESI sends unicast ..

Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =20

2.      Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

3.      Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

4.      Egress RBridge=20

6)      Section 7 =E2=80=93=20

Bullet lists in section 7.1 =E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more =
readable if you used the same form of indentation. =20

Sue Hares (shares@ndzh.com)

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Weiquo:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>See my comments in the =
first section.=C2=A0 I think we=E2=80=99ve come to a good conclusion to =
our discussion. If you wish me to review the text, please just send me a =
copy of the text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheerily,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Haoweiguo<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:36 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; =
trill@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Jon =
Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RTG-DIR] [trill] Routing =
Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Sue,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Pls see inline =
with [weiguo].</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>weiguo</span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div id=3DdivRpF800695><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 =
20:18<br><b>To:</b> Haoweiguo; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.o=
rg</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald =
Eastlake'; <a href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [trill] Routing =
Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Weiquo: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The minor points are =
technical points rather than editorial.&nbsp; Would you consider the =
technical alternatives I have asked about for #1. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is =
likely you will get the same questions from other reviewers. =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[weiguo]: I think =
currently distributed layer 3 gateway should ensure configuration =
consistency. Yes, Yang model can be provided and network automation can =
be achieved through SDN controller to simplify provisioning. The =
specific Yang model designing is out of scope. As for your TRILL =
protocol extension to propagate local configuration, i think it's not =
prefered. The Yang data model based network automation is =
mature.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[Sue]:=C2=A0 OK =
=E2=80=93 then you simply need to indicate the configuration consistency =
can be done by local configuration and netconf/yang models. =
=C2=A0=C2=A0Can you insert an sentence about this in the text? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>On #2, see my expanded =
text.&nbsp; I am looking for a bit more detail that your suggested =
text.&nbsp; You may edit that text a bit. &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[weiguo]:&nbsp;I think we don't need to define =
delete type for route withdrawing, we count on re-advertisement of all =
prefixes, remote RBridge make comparison between current prefixs and all =
previous prefixs to check if there are withdrawing routes, the mechanism =
is similar to current IS-IS protocol.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[Sue]: This is a fine solution.=C2=A0 The point =
is during the period waiting for the re-advertisement you may have =
inconsistent routes.=C2=A0 How long will this take?=C2=A0 You need to =
add a sentence or two indicating this solution. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 trill [<a =
href=3D"mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org</a>]=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haoweiguo<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 =
4:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.o=
rg</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald =
Eastlake'; <a href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [trill] Routing =
Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Sue,</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for your =
great comments.&nbsp; I will adopt all your editorial comments. As for =
the minor issues, pls see the text changes inline with =
[weiguo].</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you have no =
problem for the modification,&nbsp; will update the draft =
ASAP.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>weiguo</span><sp=
an style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div id=3DdivRpF77829><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 =
12:26<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
Haoweiguo; 'Donald Eastlake'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia =
Atlas'<br><b>Subject:</b> Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Hello,</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this =
draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG =
review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is =
to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the =
Routing Directorate, please see<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir" =
target=3D"_blank"><span class=3Dicon><span =
style=3D'color:#440088'>=E2=80=8B</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#440088'>http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/=
rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, =
it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Document:<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =
<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br>Reviewer: Susan =
Hares <br>Review Date: 1/14/2016 <br>Type of Review: QA-Review =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Summary:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication. &nbsp;A few =
editorial nits. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Minor issues: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1.</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges establishes its =
gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway interfaces on =
different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and gateway IP =
address. </span></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.&nbsp; If the =
mechanism is in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), =
then it needs to be&nbsp; referred to here.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>[weiguo]: It is relying on configuration to ensure the same gateway Mac =
and gateway IP address on different edge RBridges. So the corresponding =
text change is as follows:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Because the ESs in a =
subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge =
RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these =
gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway MAC =
and gateway IP address.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>Because the ESs in a =
subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge =
RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these =
gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD share the same =
gateway MAC and gateway IP address. Static configuration or other =
mechanisms can be used here.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; Sue 2: &nbsp;&nbsp;Static configuration is always a =
possibility to make things work.&nbsp; However, aligning the gateway MAC =
and gateway IP quickly via configuration implies an OAM or Yang modules =
to configure.&nbsp; You should plan to create &nbsp;Yang modules for =
this configuration.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Did you consider passing the configuration within TRILL in APPsubTLV =
(see section 7.1) from a central location?&nbsp; It matches the zero =
configuration approach TRILL sends.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface. </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information. =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:&nbsp; a) a specific =
withdraw TLV, or &nbsp;b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) =
without the information. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>[weiguo]: TRILL uses same mechnism as in IS-IS prototocl for route =
withdrawing, the mechanism is b). So the corresponding text change is as =
follows:</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>From:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>If a tenant is deleted =
on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge Rbridges to delete =
the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that were =
local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that =
information.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>If a tenant is deleted =
on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise the local tenant Label, =
tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes information of the rest =
tenants&nbsp;to other edge Rbridges.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue: If you are counting on re-advertisement of all prefixes, this =
text should be more precise. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If a tenant is deleted on an edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP Prefix associated with RB1 by withdrawing this information =
from TRILL APPsub-TLVs (Tenant Label and MAC, IPv4 Prefix, and IPv6 =
Prefix APPSub-TLVs), and re-advertising the remaining tenant=E2=80=99s =
information for local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP =
prefixes (IPv4 or IPv6).&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?&nbsp; It is not covered any place in the draft. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;One way you could do this is to include a Type for announce =
/ and a second type for delete.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you =
do not want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and =
7.4) with a delete function. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue:&nbsp; The IS-IS mechanism for withdrawing is to re-advertise =
without the prefix.&nbsp; The text above is fine for this </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this =
lack in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.&nbsp; =
However, this lack needs to be resolved before publication.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Editorial: </span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>The majority of this draft is well written. &nbsp;Here are a few =
editorial comments.&nbsp; The authors may utilize these editorials or =
decide not to use the editorial suggestions</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 6</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>from:&nbsp; /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four =
subnets each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual =
layer 2 virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet =
are listed as follows:/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).&nbsp; Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, =
VLAN and subnet are listed below:/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no =
restriction on this/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 11 section 5.2 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>5)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>section 6.2 </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>You should check your form of doing the numbered list.&nbsp; I believe =
if you use a different style of list it will read better.&nbsp; If the =
numbers =E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the =
text, then this will be easier to read</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>ESI sends unicast ..</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =
&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Egress RBridge </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. 
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related 
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose 
of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more 
information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ 
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it 
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF 
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through 
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-04
Reviewer: Julien Meuric
Review Date: 25 January 2016
IETF LC End Date: TBD
Intended Status: ST (see below)

*Summary:*
I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be 
resolved before publication.

*Comments:*
The I-D is well written and easy to understand. The first concern was 
about any cross-review with the Netconf WG; a quick check reveals that 
Netconf was in the loop. The comments below should be easy to address 
and are expected to help focusing IESG's reviews.

*Minor Issues:*
- The intended status is "Standard Track", whereas I would have expected 
"Informational", as it is usually the case for requirement documents, 
which are not protocol specification.
- In the last paragraph of section 4.2.2, the used examples require more 
than the specified behavior, creating an implicit requirement. If it is 
the intend, this behavior should be explicitly stated before moving to 
examples. E.g, one may add: "The returned value, taken from the 
acceptable range, SHOULD minimize the difference with the requested one."
- On page 11, given the following set of constraints, the support of 
Subscription bundling reads to me more as a "MAY" rather than as "SHOULD".

*Nits:*
- "pub/sub" is extensively used in sections 1 and 2, expansion 
("Publication/Subscription"?) should happen early in the document.
- page 3:
     * s/local Network Element based applications/local Network 
Element-based applications/
     * s/NETCONF Event Notifications [RFC5277] provides/NETCONF Event 
Notifications [RFC5277] provide/
     * s/but doesn't provide/but does not provide/
     * s/this requirements document/this requirement document/
     * s/create new solution./create new solutions./
     * s/from operations interfaces/from operation interfaces/
- p.4: s/[i2rs-usecase]has/[i2rs-usecase] has/
- p.5:
     * s/a subscribe to/a subscribe[r] to/  (I know it is a quote...)
     * s/be able instruct/be able to instruct/  (ditto)
- p.6:
     * s/supports connection oriented/supports connection-oriented/
     * s/Unicast communication/unicast communication/
- p.7: s/pushes updates./pushes updates to./
- p.8:
     * Section 4 begins by giving credits to "OMG" and "XMPP.org": the 
references used earlier (2.3) should be reused.
     * s/Service such that if/Service; if/
     * s/re-lease/release/
- p.9:
     * s/Request, Therefore/Request, therefore/
     * Is subscribing to "on-demand" really just a "SHOULD"?
     * s/i.e. whenever/i.e., whenever/
     * s/e.g. what data/e.g., what data/
     * s/e.g. active or/e.g., active or/
- p.10
     * s/indication at what/indication telling at what/
     * After "for on-change update policy", "(if supported)" should be 
added, since the feature is only a "SHOULD".
     * s/subscriber will not know/subscriber may not know/
     * s/a state of indicating/a state indicating/
- p.12: s/if it would deplete/if it was likely to deplete/
- p.14:
     * s/character based/character-based/
     * At the very end of section 4.2.7, I would drop the brackets and 
the "Note:" string, to leave the corresponding text as regular text in 
the document.
---

Best regards,

Julien


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Julien:=20

Thank you for the routing directorate review.   I'm sure the authors =
will respond to you regarding these questions.  I am responding on the =
standard track versus informational. =20

We placed these drafts on the standard track because I2RS charter =
includes the goal of not creating new protocols, but utilizing a =
combination of other protocols.  Based on your questions and other =
reviewers questions about the status, the chairs are in discussion with =
the AD as to whether "standards" or "informational" is the right status. =


Thank you for bringing up these issues.=20


Susan Hares=20

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Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =

The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose =
of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more =
information about the Routing Directorate, please see =E2=80=8B =
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-04
Reviewer: Julien Meuric
Review Date: 25 January 2016
IETF LC End Date: TBD
Intended Status: ST (see below)

*Summary:*
I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be =
resolved before publication.

*Comments:*
The I-D is well written and easy to understand. The first concern was =
about any cross-review with the Netconf WG; a quick check reveals that =
Netconf was in the loop. The comments below should be easy to address =
and are expected to help focusing IESG's reviews.

*Minor Issues:*
- The intended status is "Standard Track", whereas I would have expected =
"Informational", as it is usually the case for requirement documents, =
which are not protocol specification.
- In the last paragraph of section 4.2.2, the used examples require more =
than the specified behavior, creating an implicit requirement. If it is =
the intend, this behavior should be explicitly stated before moving to =
examples. E.g, one may add: "The returned value, taken from the =
acceptable range, SHOULD minimize the difference with the requested =
one."
- On page 11, given the following set of constraints, the support of =
Subscription bundling reads to me more as a "MAY" rather than as =
"SHOULD".

*Nits:*
- "pub/sub" is extensively used in sections 1 and 2, expansion
("Publication/Subscription"?) should happen early in the document.
- page 3:
     * s/local Network Element based applications/local Network =
Element-based applications/
     * s/NETCONF Event Notifications [RFC5277] provides/NETCONF Event =
Notifications [RFC5277] provide/
     * s/but doesn't provide/but does not provide/
     * s/this requirements document/this requirement document/
     * s/create new solution./create new solutions./
     * s/from operations interfaces/from operation interfaces/
- p.4: s/[i2rs-usecase]has/[i2rs-usecase] has/
- p.5:
     * s/a subscribe to/a subscribe[r] to/  (I know it is a quote...)
     * s/be able instruct/be able to instruct/  (ditto)
- p.6:
     * s/supports connection oriented/supports connection-oriented/
     * s/Unicast communication/unicast communication/
- p.7: s/pushes updates./pushes updates to./
- p.8:
     * Section 4 begins by giving credits to "OMG" and "XMPP.org": the =
references used earlier (2.3) should be reused.
     * s/Service such that if/Service; if/
     * s/re-lease/release/
- p.9:
     * s/Request, Therefore/Request, therefore/
     * Is subscribing to "on-demand" really just a "SHOULD"?
     * s/i.e. whenever/i.e., whenever/
     * s/e.g. what data/e.g., what data/
     * s/e.g. active or/e.g., active or/
- p.10
     * s/indication at what/indication telling at what/
     * After "for on-change update policy", "(if supported)" should be =
added, since the feature is only a "SHOULD".
     * s/subscriber will not know/subscriber may not know/
     * s/a state of indicating/a state indicating/
- p.12: s/if it would deplete/if it was likely to deplete/
- p.14:
     * s/character based/character-based/
     * At the very end of section 4.2.7, I would drop the brackets and =
the "Note:" string, to leave the corresponding text as regular text in =
the document.
---

Best regards,

Julien



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=20

The text comments are below.  I think we have converged on the text.  =
Could you send me a copy of the final text to review? =20

=20

Sue=20

=20

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Hi Sue,

Pls see inline with [weiguo2]. Would you like to give some reviewing for =
the revised text?

weiguo

  _____ =20

From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:13
To: Haoweiguo; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'
Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

Weiquo:

See my comments in the first section.  I think we=E2=80=99ve come to a =
good conclusion to our discussion. If you wish me to review the text, =
please just send me a copy of the text.

=20

Cheerily,

=20

Sue=20

=20

From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:36 AM
To: Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'
Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

=20

Hi Sue,

Pls see inline with [weiguo].

weiguo

  _____ =20

From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 20:18
To: Haoweiguo; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'
Subject: RE: [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

Weiquo:=20

=20

The minor points are technical points rather than editorial.  Would you =
consider the technical alternatives I have asked about for #1.   It is =
likely you will get the same questions from other reviewers.=20

[weiguo]: I think currently distributed layer 3 gateway should ensure =
configuration consistency. Yes, Yang model can be provided and network =
automation can be achieved through SDN controller to simplify =
provisioning. The specific Yang model designing is out of scope. As for =
your TRILL protocol extension to propagate local configuration, i think =
it's not prefered. The Yang data model based network automation is =
mature.

=20

[Sue]:  OK =E2=80=93 then you simply need to indicate the configuration =
consistency can be done by local configuration and netconf/yang models.  =
 Can you insert an sentence about this in the text?=20

[weiguo2]: Revised discription:

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD =
share the same gateway MAC and gateway IP address configuration. The =
configuration consistency can be done by local configuration and =
netconf/Yang models.

=20

Sue03:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
in each of these edge RBridges which establishes its gateway interface =
for the subnet the edge RBridges SHOULD share the same gateway MAC and =
gateway IP address configuration. Sharing the configuration and insuring =
configuration consistency can be done by local configuration and =
netconf/Yang models.

=20

=20

=20

On #2, see my expanded text.  I am looking for a bit more detail that =
your suggested text.  You may edit that text a bit. =20

[weiguo]: I think we don't need to define delete type for route =
withdrawing, we count on re-advertisement of all prefixes, remote =
RBridge make comparison between current prefixs and all previous prefixs =
to check if there are withdrawing routes, the mechanism is similar to =
current IS-IS protocol.

[Sue]: This is a fine solution.  The point is during the period waiting =
for the re-advertisement you may have inconsistent routes.  How long =
will this take?  You need to add a sentence or two indicating this =
solution.=20

[weiguo2]: Revised discription:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise =
the local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes =
information of the rest tenants to other edge Rbridges. It may take some =
time for the re-advertisement to reach all other RBridges and it will =
cause transient routes inconsistency among the edge RBridges. If there =
are traffic in flight during this time, it will be dropped at egress =
RBridge due to local tenant deletion. In stable state, the traffic to =
the deleted tenant will be dropped in ingress RBridge. So the transient =
routes consistency won=E2=80=99t cause other issues other than some =
unnecessary network bandwidth wasting.

=20

Sue03:  [just a few English tweaks to your text]=20

=20

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise =
the local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes =
information of the rest tenants to other edge Rbridges. It may take some =
time for the re-advertisement to reach all other RBridges, so during =
this period of time there may be transient routes inconsistency among =
the edge RBridges. If there are traffic in flight during this time, it =
will be dropped at egress RBridge due to local tenant deletion. In =
stable state, the traffic to the deleted tenant will be dropped in =
ingress RBridge. Therefore the transient routes consistency =
won=E2=80=99t cause other issues other than some unnecessary network =
bandwidth wasting.

=20

Just brief comment:  I inserted =E2=80=9CTherefore=E2=80=9D  because IMO =
you were connecting the drop in the transient state to the drop in the =
in the stable state in order to provide there were no issues with the =
traffic consistency. =20

=20

If this was not your plan, please let me know.=20

=20

I look forward to getting the revised document and sending it to the =
IESG.=20

Sue=20

=20

=20

From: trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Haoweiguo
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 4:09 AM
To: Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'
Subject: Re: [trill] Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt

=20

Hi Sue,

Thanks for your great comments.  I will adopt all your editorial =
comments. As for the minor issues, pls see the text changes inline with =
[weiguo].

If you have no problem for the modification,  will update the draft =
ASAP.

weiguo

  _____ =20

From: Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:26
To: draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; trill@ietf.org
Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; Haoweiguo; 'Donald Eastlake'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia =
Atlas'
Subject: Routing Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt=20

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. =
The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related =
drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and =
sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide =
assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing =
Directorate, please see  =
<http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir> =
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it =
would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =20
Reviewer: Susan Hares=20
Review Date: 1/14/2016=20
Type of Review: QA-Review=20

Summary: 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication.  A few =
editorial nits.=20

Minor issues:=20

1.      Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges =
establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway =
interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and =
gateway IP address.=20

It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.  If the mechanism is =
in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), then it needs =
to be  referred to here. =20

[weiguo]: It is relying on configuration to ensure the same gateway Mac =
and gateway IP address on different edge RBridges. So the corresponding =
text change is as follows:

From:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the =
same gateway MAC and gateway IP address.

=20

To:=20

Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
each of these edge RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet and these gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD =
share the same gateway MAC and gateway IP address. Static configuration =
or other mechanisms can be used here.

=20

  Sue 2:   Static configuration is always a possibility to make things =
work.  However, aligning the gateway MAC and gateway IP quickly via =
configuration implies an OAM or Yang modules to configure.  You should =
plan to create  Yang modules for this configuration.   =20

=20

Did you consider passing the configuration within TRILL in APPsubTLV =
(see section 7.1) from a central location?  It matches the zero =
configuration approach TRILL sends. =20

=20

It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface.=20

=20

2.      p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information.=20

There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:  a) a specific withdraw =
TLV, or  b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) without the =
information.=20

[weiguo]: TRILL uses same mechnism as in IS-IS prototocl for route =
withdrawing, the mechanism is b). So the corresponding text change is as =
follows:

=20

From:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge Rbridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP prefixes that were local to RB1 by withdrawing its =
advertisement of that information.

To:

If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise =
the local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes =
information of the rest tenants to other edge Rbridges.

=20

Sue: If you are counting on re-advertisement of all prefixes, this text =
should be more precise.=20

=20

If a tenant is deleted on an edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP Prefix associated with RB1 by withdrawing this information =
from TRILL APPsub-TLVs (Tenant Label and MAC, IPv4 Prefix, and IPv6 =
Prefix APPSub-TLVs), and re-advertising the remaining tenant=E2=80=99s =
information for local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP =
prefixes (IPv4 or IPv6).  =20

=20

=20

If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?  It is not covered any place in the draft.   One way you =
could do this is to include a Type for announce / and a second type for =
delete. =20

If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again.   If you do not =
want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and 7.4) with =
a delete function.=20

=20

Sue:  The IS-IS mechanism for withdrawing is to re-advertise without the =
prefix.  The text above is fine for this=20

=20

These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this lack =
in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.  However, =
this lack needs to be resolved before publication.

=20

Editorial:=20

The majority of this draft is well written.  Here are a few editorial =
comments.  The authors may utilize these editorials or decide not to use =
the editorial suggestions

1)      p. 6

from:  /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four subnets =
each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual layer 2 =
virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet are =
listed as follows:/

to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).  Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, VLAN =
and subnet are listed below:/

2)      p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2.=20

From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no restriction =
on this/

To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/

3)      p. 11 section 5.2=20

Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D=20

4)      p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5=20

from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /

to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/

5)      section 6.2=20

You should check your form of doing the numbered list.  I believe if you =
use a different style of list it will read better.  If the numbers =
=E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the text, then =
this will be easier to read

1.      ESI sends unicast ..

Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =20

2.      Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

3.      Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6=20

4.      Egress RBridge=20

6)      Section 7 =E2=80=93=20

Bullet lists in section 7.1 =E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more =
readable if you used the same form of indentation. =20

Sue Hares (shares@ndzh.com)

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Weiquo: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The text comments are =
below. =C2=A0I think we have converged on the text.=C2=A0 Could you send =
me a copy of the final text to review?=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
trill [mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Haoweiguo<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 21, 2016 5:31 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org; =
trill@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald Eastlake'; rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'Alia =
Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [trill] [RTG-DIR] Routing =
Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Sue,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Pls see inline =
with [weiguo2]. Would you like to give some reviewing for the revised =
text?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>weiguo</span><sp=
an =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
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From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 21, =
2016 9:13<br><b>To:</b> Haoweiguo; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.o=
rg</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald =
Eastlake'; <a href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [RTG-DIR] [trill] =
Routing Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Weiquo:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>See my comments in the first section.&nbsp; I =
think we=E2=80=99ve come to a good conclusion to our discussion. If you =
wish me to review the text, please just send me a copy of the =
text.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Cheerily,</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 rtg-dir [<a =
href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org<=
/a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haoweiguo<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 19, =
2016 5:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.o=
rg</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald =
Eastlake'; <a href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia Atlas'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RTG-DIR] [trill] =
Routing Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Sue,</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Pls see inline =
with [weiguo].</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>weiguo</span><sp=
an style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div id=3DdivRpF800695><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 =
20:18<br><b>To:</b> Haoweiguo; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald Eastlake'; <a =
href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [trill] Routing =
Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Weiquo: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The minor points are =
technical points rather than editorial.&nbsp; Would you consider the =
technical alternatives I have asked about for #1. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is =
likely you will get the same questions from other reviewers. =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[weiguo]: I think =
currently distributed layer 3 gateway should ensure configuration =
consistency. Yes, Yang model can be provided and network automation can =
be achieved through SDN controller to simplify provisioning. The =
specific Yang model designing is out of scope. As for your TRILL =
protocol extension to propagate local configuration, i think it's not =
prefered. The Yang data model based network automation is =
mature.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[Sue]:&nbsp; OK =
=E2=80=93 then you simply need to indicate the configuration consistency =
can be done by local configuration and netconf/yang models. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;Can you insert an sentence about this in the text? =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[weiguo2]: Revised =
discription:</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#C00000'>Because the ESs in a subnet may be spread over =
multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge RBridges establishes its =
gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway interfaces on =
different edge RBridges SHOULD share the same gateway MAC and gateway IP =
address</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#C00000;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'> =
configuration</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#C00000'>.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#C00000;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'> The configuration =
consistency can be done by local configuration and netconf/Yang =
models.</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue03: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red'>Because =
the ESs in a subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, =
</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black'>in</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red'> each of =
these edge RBridges </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#403152;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#403152;mso-style-textfi=
ll-fill-alpha:100.0%'>which </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red'>establishes its gateway interface for the =
subnet</span><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#403152;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#403152;mso-style-textfi=
ll-fill-alpha:100.0%'> the edge RBridges </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red'>SHOULD =
share the same gateway MAC and gateway IP address</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'> configuration</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red'>.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#403152;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#403152;mso-style-textfi=
ll-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'> Sharing the =
configuration and insuring </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>configuration consistency can =
be done by local configuration and netconf/Yang models.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:#403152;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#403152;mso-style-textfi=
ll-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>On #2, see my expanded =
text.&nbsp; I am looking for a bit more detail that your suggested =
text.&nbsp; You may edit that text a bit. &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[weiguo]:&nbsp;I think we don't need to define =
delete type for route withdrawing, we count on re-advertisement of all =
prefixes, remote RBridge make comparison between current prefixs and all =
previous prefixs to check if there are withdrawing routes, the mechanism =
is similar to current IS-IS protocol.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[Sue]: This is a fine solution.&nbsp; The point =
is during the period waiting for the re-advertisement you may have =
inconsistent routes.&nbsp; How long will this take?&nbsp; You need to =
add a sentence or two indicating this solution. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[weiguo2]: Revised discription:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red'>If a =
tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise the =
local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes =
information of the rest tenant</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>s</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red'>&nbsp;to =
other edge Rbridges. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>It may take some time for the =
re-advertisement to reach all other RBridges and it will cause transient =
routes inconsistency among the edge RBridges. If there are traffic in =
flight during this time, it will be dropped at egress RBridge due to =
local tenant deletion. In stable state, the traffic to the deleted =
tenant will be dropped in ingress RBridge. So the transient routes =
consistency won=E2=80=99t cause other issues other than some unnecessary =
network bandwidth wasting.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Sue03:=C2=A0 [just a few =
English tweaks to your text] <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red'>If a tenant is deleted on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 =
SHOULD re-advertise the local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP prefixes information of the rest tenant</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>s</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red'>&nbsp;to =
other edge Rbridges. </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>It may take some time for the =
re-advertisement to reach all other RBridges, </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>so during this period of =
time there may be </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>transient routes =
inconsistency among the edge RBridges. If there are traffic in flight =
during this time, it will be dropped at egress RBridge due to local =
tenant deletion. In stable state, the traffic to the deleted tenant will =
be dropped in ingress RBridge.</span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'> </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>Therefore </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:red;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN'>the transient routes =
consistency won=E2=80=99t cause other issues other than some unnecessary =
network bandwidth wasting.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Just brief comment:=C2=A0 =
I inserted =E2=80=9CTherefore=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 because IMO you were =
connecting the drop in the transient state to the drop in the in the =
stable state in order to provide there were no issues with the traffic =
consistency.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>If this was not your plan, =
please let me know. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I look forward to getting =
the revised document and sending it to the IESG. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Sue <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 trill [<a href=3D"mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">mailto:trill-bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Haoweiguo<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 4:09 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Susan Hares; <a =
href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Donald Eastlake'; <a =
href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
'Alia Atlas'; 'Jon Hudson'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [trill] Routing =
Directorate review of draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi =
Sue,</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks for your =
great comments.&nbsp; I will adopt all your editorial comments. As for =
the minor issues, pls see the text changes inline with =
[weiguo].</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If you have no =
problem for the modification,&nbsp; will update the draft =
ASAP.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>weiguo</span><sp=
an style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" =
align=3Dcenter></span></div><div id=3DdivRpF77829><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Susan Hares [shares@ndzh.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 =
12:26<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-trill-irb@ietf.org</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:trill@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">trill@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:rtg-dir@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">rtg-dir@ietf.org</a>; =
Haoweiguo; 'Donald Eastlake'; 'Jon Hudson'; 'Alia =
Atlas'<br><b>Subject:</b> Routing Directorate review of =
draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Hello,</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this =
draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or =
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG =
review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is =
to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the =
Routing Directorate, please see<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir" =
target=3D"_blank"><span class=3Dicon><span =
style=3D'color:#440088'>=E2=80=8B</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#440088'>http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/=
rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, =
it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF =
Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through =
discussion or by updating the draft.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white;WIDOWS: 1;word-spacing:0px'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Document:<span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>draft-ietf-trill-irb-09.txt =
<span class=3Dapple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br>Reviewer: Susan =
Hares <br>Review Date: 1/14/2016 <br>Type of Review: QA-Review =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Summary:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
> 2 Minor issue which must be resolved before publication. &nbsp;A few =
editorial nits. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Minor issues: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1.</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Page 11 =E2=80=93 states that each of the edge RBridges establishes its =
gateway interface for the subnet and these gateway interfaces on =
different edge RBridges share the same gateway Mac and gateway IP =
address. </span></span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>It is unclear what specific mechanisms allow the different RBridge =
routers to share the same gatewayAC and IP address.&nbsp; If the =
mechanism is in section 7.1 (Tenant Label and Gateway MAC APPsub-TLV), =
then it needs to be&nbsp; referred to here.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>[weiguo]: It is relying on configuration to ensure the same gateway Mac =
and gateway IP address on different edge RBridges. So the corresponding =
text change is as follows:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>From: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>Because the ESs in a =
subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge =
RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these =
gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges share the same gateway MAC =
and gateway IP address.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To: </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>Because the ESs in a =
subnet may be spread over multiple edge RBridges, each of these edge =
RBridges establishes its gateway interface for the subnet and these =
gateway interfaces on different edge RBridges SHOULD share the same =
gateway MAC and gateway IP address. Static configuration or other =
mechanisms can be used here.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; Sue 2: &nbsp;&nbsp;Static configuration is always a =
possibility to make things work.&nbsp; However, aligning the gateway MAC =
and gateway IP quickly via configuration implies an OAM or Yang modules =
to configure.&nbsp; You should plan to create &nbsp;Yang modules for =
this configuration.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Did you consider passing the configuration within TRILL in APPsubTLV =
(see section 7.1) from a central location?&nbsp; It matches the zero =
configuration approach TRILL sends.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>It is clear in the second paragraph on p. 11, that the Ends System will =
ARP/ND query and provide its MAC/IP address mapping to the gateway =
interface. </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 12 =E2=80=93 paragraph 2 staring with =E2=80=9CIf a tenant is =
deleted on the edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge RBridges to =
delete the tenant Label, the gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that =
were local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that information. =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>There are two ways to withdraw advertisement:&nbsp; a) a specific =
withdraw TLV, or &nbsp;b) re-announce IP Address lists (section 7.3) =
without the information. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>[weiguo]: TRILL uses same mechnism as in IS-IS prototocl for route =
withdrawing, the mechanism is b). So the corresponding text change is as =
follows:</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>From:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>If a tenant is deleted =
on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other edge Rbridges to delete =
the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes that were =
local to RB1 by withdrawing its advertisement of that =
information.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:black'>To:</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Courier New";color:#C00000'>If a tenant is deleted =
on an edge Rbridge RB1, RB1 SHOULD re-advertise the local tenant Label, =
tenant gateway MAC, and related IP prefixes information of the rest =
tenants&nbsp;to other edge Rbridges.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue: If you are counting on re-advertisement of all prefixes, this =
text should be more precise. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If a tenant is deleted on an edge RBridge RB1, RB1 notifies all other =
edge RBridges to delete the tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and =
related IP Prefix associated with RB1 by withdrawing this information =
from TRILL APPsub-TLVs (Tenant Label and MAC, IPv4 Prefix, and IPv6 =
Prefix APPSub-TLVs), and re-advertising the remaining tenant=E2=80=99s =
information for local tenant Label, tenant gateway MAC, and related IP =
prefixes (IPv4 or IPv6).&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>If this solution uses section 7.1 to announce Tenant ID, Tenant Labels, =
and Tenant MAC addresses =E2=80=93 how are you going to delete these =
announcements?&nbsp; It is not covered any place in the draft. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;One way you could do this is to include a Type for announce =
/ and a second type for delete.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>If this solution uses section 7.3 or 7.4 to announce IP address labels, =
you will need to announce all the IP addresses again. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you =
do not want to do this, you could duplicate the APPSub-TLVs (7.3 and =
7.4) with a delete function. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Sue:&nbsp; The IS-IS mechanism for withdrawing is to re-advertise =
without the prefix.&nbsp; The text above is fine for this </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>These two issues are listed as =E2=80=9Cminor=E2=80=9D because this =
lack in the specification can be easily solved by with APPSub-TLV.&nbsp; =
However, this lack needs to be resolved before publication.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Editorial: </span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>The majority of this draft is well written. &nbsp;Here are a few =
editorial comments.&nbsp; The authors may utilize these editorials or =
decide not to use the editorial suggestions</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 6</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>from:&nbsp; /ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant, the tenant has four =
subnets each subnet corresponds to one VLAN indicating one individual =
layer 2 virtual network, each ES=E2=80=99S IP address, VLAN, and subnet =
are listed as follows:/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>to / ES1 to ES8 belong to one tenant network and the tenant has four =
subnets with each subnet corresponding to one VLAN (which indicates one =
individual layer 2 virtual network).&nbsp; Each ES=E2=80=99s IP address, =
VLAN and subnet are listed below:/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p 11, section 5.2 paragraph 2. </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>From: /It=E2=80=99s implementation dependant and there is no =
restriction on this/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>To: /It is implementation dependent and there is no restriction on this =
assignment of labels/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 11 section 5.2 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Put a paragraph break before =E2=80=9CThe tenant gateway MAC =
differentiates=E2=80=9D </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>p. 14 section 5.4 paragraph 5 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>from: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA, if /</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>to: /the RBridge decapsulates the TRILL encapsulation and check the =
Inner.MacDA. If/</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>5)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>section 6.2 </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>You should check your form of doing the numbered list.&nbsp; I believe =
if you use a different style of list it will read better.&nbsp; If the =
numbers =E2=80=9C1., 2., 3. , and 4. =E2=80=93 form the edge of the =
text, then this will be easier to read</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>1.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>ESI sends unicast ..</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Additional text after the first line should be at this indentation. =
&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Ingress RBridge =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Transit RBridge =E2=80=A6 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Egress RBridge </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>6)</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Section 7 =E2=80=93 </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'margin-left:.25in;background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Bullet lists in section 7.1 =E2=80=93 7.4 =E2=80=93 would be more =
readable if you used the same form of indentation.&nbsp; </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
style=3D'background:white'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Sue Hares (<a href=3D"mailto:shares@ndzh.com" =
target=3D"_blank">shares@ndzh.com</a>)</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div=
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Hi Eric,

It looks like we have entered a fast convergence process. Please, see 
[JM] below.

Julien


Jan. 26, 2016 - evoit@cisco.com:
> Hi Julien,
>
> Thanks for the review.   Responses in-line...
>
>> From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:25 PM

[...]

>> We placed these drafts on the standard track because I2RS charter includes the
>> goal of not creating new protocols, but utilizing a combination of other
>> protocols.  Based on your questions and other reviewers questions about the
>> status, the chairs are in discussion with the AD as to whether "standards" or
>> "informational" is the right status.
>
> Below are responses on all comments provided *except* for the standards or informational question which Susan is driving.
>
[JM] OK, I am looking forward to the conclusion.


>> Thank you for bringing up these issues.
>>
>>
>> Susan Hares
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:15 PM

[...]

>> - In the last paragraph of section 4.2.2, the used examples require more than the
>> specified behavior, creating an implicit requirement. If it is the intend, this
>> behavior should be explicitly stated before moving to examples. E.g, one may
>> add: "The returned value, taken from the acceptable range, SHOULD minimize
>> the difference with the requested one."
>
> Reading this again, I do see some downside to "SHOULD".  Perhaps some variant of "may" is better.   The reason for downgrading the requirement is that a Subscriber might always ask for extremely high QoS levels, knowing the best possible QoS will be returned by the Publisher.  This could degrade capacity for the Publisher as a whole.  What about the following text instead...
>
> "For example, if periodic updates were requested with too short update intervals for the specified data set, an alternative acceptable interval period might be returned from the Publisher.  If on-change updates were requested with too-aggressive dampening period, the an acceptable dampening period may be returned, or alternatively an indication that only periodic updates are supported for the requested object(s).

[JM] My proposed sentence was trying to reflect my reading of the 
examples. I agree with the downside you point out and am perfectly fine 
with the proposed text. Just beware of the typo: "the an acceptable".

[...]

>> - page 3:
>>       * s/local Network Element based applications/local Network Element-based
>> applications/
>
> Not sure what the "-" adds here?
>
>>       * s/NETCONF Event Notifications [RFC5277] provides/NETCONF Event
>> Notifications [RFC5277] provide/
>
>   Here we refer to RFC 5277 which is singular, so "provides" seems to be the better choice.

[JM] I parsed the sentence considering the reference in brackets as an 
optional parenthesis, thus the plural. I can live with "provides".

[...]

>>       * s/from operations interfaces/from operation interfaces/
>
> "Operations" is the traditional term I have seen for this function.

[JM] OK

[...]

>> - p.7: s/pushes updates./pushes updates to./
>
> Equivalent change made. " to which a Publisher pushes updates."

[JM] Even better.

[...]

>>       * s/re-lease/release/
>
> Release has a different meaning.  The intent more like renew.  Text changed to "extend the lease".

[JM] Much clearer.

[...]

>
> And thanks for the excellent scrub of the document.

[JM] You are welcome. Thank you for the quick response.

>
> Eric
>
>> ---
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Julien
>>
>


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Hi again,

Just a quick patch to my previous e-mail, to resume the hyphen issue I 
have overlooked below.

On page 3, I would see:
s/both controller and local Network Element based applications/both 
controller- and local Network Element-based applications/
Reason: I believe hyphens are required to create compound adjectives 
that qualify the noun "applications" here (but don't ask me what some 
grammar rules actually add! ;-) ).

By the way, on the same page, I had caught another one:
s/polling based solution/polling-based solution/

Regards,

Julien


Jan. 26, 2016 - julien.meuric@orange.com:
> Hi Eric,
>
> It looks like we have entered a fast convergence process. Please, see
> [JM] below.
>
> Julien
>
>
> Jan. 26, 2016 - evoit@cisco.com:
>> Hi Julien,
>>
>> Thanks for the review.   Responses in-line...
>>
>>> From: Susan Hares [mailto:shares@ndzh.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:25 PM
>
> [...]
>
>>> We placed these drafts on the standard track because I2RS charter
>>> includes the
>>> goal of not creating new protocols, but utilizing a combination of other
>>> protocols.  Based on your questions and other reviewers questions
>>> about the
>>> status, the chairs are in discussion with the AD as to whether
>>> "standards" or
>>> "informational" is the right status.
>>
>> Below are responses on all comments provided *except* for the
>> standards or informational question which Susan is driving.
>>
> [JM] OK, I am looking forward to the conclusion.
>
>
>>> Thank you for bringing up these issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> Susan Hares
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rtg-dir [mailto:rtg-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien
>>> Meuric
>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:15 PM
>
> [...]
>
>>> - In the last paragraph of section 4.2.2, the used examples require
>>> more than the
>>> specified behavior, creating an implicit requirement. If it is the
>>> intend, this
>>> behavior should be explicitly stated before moving to examples. E.g,
>>> one may
>>> add: "The returned value, taken from the acceptable range, SHOULD
>>> minimize
>>> the difference with the requested one."
>>
>> Reading this again, I do see some downside to "SHOULD".  Perhaps some
>> variant of "may" is better.   The reason for downgrading the
>> requirement is that a Subscriber might always ask for extremely high
>> QoS levels, knowing the best possible QoS will be returned by the
>> Publisher.  This could degrade capacity for the Publisher as a whole.
>> What about the following text instead...
>>
>> "For example, if periodic updates were requested with too short update
>> intervals for the specified data set, an alternative acceptable
>> interval period might be returned from the Publisher.  If on-change
>> updates were requested with too-aggressive dampening period, the an
>> acceptable dampening period may be returned, or alternatively an
>> indication that only periodic updates are supported for the requested
>> object(s).
>
> [JM] My proposed sentence was trying to reflect my reading of the
> examples. I agree with the downside you point out and am perfectly fine
> with the proposed text. Just beware of the typo: "the an acceptable".
>
> [...]
>
>>> - page 3:
>>>       * s/local Network Element based applications/local Network
>>> Element-based
>>> applications/
>>
>> Not sure what the "-" adds here?
>>
>>>       * s/NETCONF Event Notifications [RFC5277] provides/NETCONF Event
>>> Notifications [RFC5277] provide/
>>
>>   Here we refer to RFC 5277 which is singular, so "provides" seems to
>> be the better choice.
>
> [JM] I parsed the sentence considering the reference in brackets as an
> optional parenthesis, thus the plural. I can live with "provides".
>
> [...]
>
>>>       * s/from operations interfaces/from operation interfaces/
>>
>> "Operations" is the traditional term I have seen for this function.
>
> [JM] OK
>
> [...]
>
>>> - p.7: s/pushes updates./pushes updates to./
>>
>> Equivalent change made. " to which a Publisher pushes updates."
>
> [JM] Even better.
>
> [...]
>
>>>       * s/re-lease/release/
>>
>> Release has a different meaning.  The intent more like renew.  Text
>> changed to "extend the lease".
>
> [JM] Much clearer.
>
> [...]
>
>>
>> And thanks for the excellent scrub of the document.
>
> [JM] You are welcome. Thank you for the quick response.
>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Julien
>>>
>>


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Folks,

I just saw the DISCUSS from Deborah on draft-ietf-spring-problem-
statement. This draft slid under mt  radar, sorry I should have been
more observant.

I find my self a bit split, on one hand I support Segment/Source
Routing (there are a number of cases where it is beneficial), on the
other hand I quite agree with what Deborah put in her DISCUSS/COMMENT.
Especially we need to take care when we talk about other, especially
IETF, technologies.

I went back to see what we said in the rtg dir review and to my
surprise found that it was not reviewed by the directorate. I fail to
see why this is. Shouldn't this important draft  have been through a
directorate review?

/Loa
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