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Malis" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 16:56:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: "" Cc: Routing Directorate , draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo.all@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d3b91505b44074a1" Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-05.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 21:57:01 -0000 --000000000000d3b91505b44074a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request (in this case, WG last call). The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other WG Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-05.txt Reviewer: Andy Malis Review Date: Nov. 16, 2020 WG LC End Date: Nov. 23, 2020 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Overall, the draft is straightforward and easy to follow. In particular, I appreciated the summary of draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo as a part of the introduction. Once the comments below have been addressed, it should be ready to be forwarded to the IESG for approval. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: While at least one early implementation has been publicly disclosed, an early IANA allocation is required for the Flex Algorithm Exclude SRLG TLV so that early implementations can interoperate. It would also be helpful for the reader if Section 5 (IANA Considerations) contained the URL reference to the IANA "BGP-LS Node Descriptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute TLVs" registry at https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml#node-descriptor-link-descriptor-prefix-descriptor-attribute-tlv . Nits: idnits ran clean except for two out-of-date references. There are some English language nits with the text, such as "distribute manner" should be "distributed manner", "This definition provisioned" should be "This definition is provisioned", "constraint based" should be "constraint-based", "Flexible Algorithm is called so as it allows" should be "Flexible Algorithm is so called as it allows", "The operations" should be "The operation", and so on (and this is just on pages 1-3). I recommend a language cleanup pass on the draft before forwarding it to the IESG. Cheers, Andy --000000000000d3b91505b44074a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Director= ate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all ro= uting or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IES= G review, and sometimes on special request (in this case, WG last call). Th= e purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For mo= re information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/a= rea/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily f= or the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider th= em along with any other WG Last Call comments that you receive, and strive = to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft.

Documen= t: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-flex-algo-05.txt
Reviewer: Andy Malis
Revie= w Date: Nov. 16, 2020
WG LC End Date: Nov. 23, 2020
Intended Status= :=C2=A0Standards Track=

Summary:

I have some minor concerns about this docume= nt that I think should be resolved before publication.

Overall, the = draft is straightforward and easy to follow. In particular, I appreciated t= he summary of draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo as a part of the introduction.
<= br>Once the comments below have been addressed, it should be ready to be fo= rwarded to the IESG for approval.

Major Issues:

No major issu= es found.

Minor Issues:

While at least one early implementati= on has been publicly disclosed, an early IANA allocation is required for th= e Flex Algorithm Exclude SRLG TLV so that early implementations can interop= erate.

It would also be helpful for the reader if Section 5 (IANA Co= nsiderations) contained the URL reference to the IANA "BGP-LS Node Des= criptor, Link Descriptor, Prefix Descriptor, and Attribute TLVs" regis= try at https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameter= s.xhtml#node-descriptor-link-descriptor-prefix-descriptor-attribute-tlv= .

Nits:

idnits ran clean except for two out-of-date referenc= es.

There are some English language nits with the text, such as &quo= t;distribute manner" should be "distributed manner", "T= his definition provisioned" should be "This definition is provisi= oned", "constraint based" should be "constraint-based&q= uot;, "Flexible Algorithm is called so as it allows" should be &q= uot;Flexible Algorithm is so called as it allows", "The operation= s" should be "The operation", and so on (and this is just on= pages 1-3). I recommend a language cleanup pass on the draft before forwar= ding it to the IESG.

Cheers,
Andy

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Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <160589799464.27069.17436091906939469923@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 10:55:09 -0000 Folks The IPR was filed 2004-12-10, the first individual draft posted Oct 2015 made wg document Dec 2015 Why is this IPR disclosure this late? /Loa On 21/11/2020 02:46, IETF Secretariat wrote: > Dear Ahmed Bashandy, Clarence Filsfils, Prodosh Mohapatra: > > > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "BGP Prefix > Independent Convergence" (draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic) was submitted to the IETF > Secretariat on 2020-11-19 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of > Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4490/). The title of the IPR disclosure is > "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to > draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic" > > > Thank you > > IETF Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > rtgwg mailing list > rtgwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Sun Nov 22 05:03:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4AE3A1672; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 05:03:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BFsD88U5E3cK; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 05:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0002A3A1671; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 05:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0AMD30Z0025652; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 13:03:00 GMT Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B072203A; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 13:02:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4051422032; Sun, 22 Nov 2020 13:02:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([195.166.134.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0AMD2wPg013975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 22 Nov 2020 13:02:58 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Loa Andersson'" , , References: <160589799464.27069.17436091906939469923@ietfa.amsl.com> <0ae29d8b-9294-e3b6-e740-90f796280201@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <0ae29d8b-9294-e3b6-e740-90f796280201@pi.nu> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 13:02:57 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <03e901d6c0cf$cd127330$67375990$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGVPsntd9b5m06Egtdi5MeMbJ3IDQEJd88cqk7S1RA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 195.166.134.90 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25804.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No--15.844-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--15.844-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25804.007 X-TMASE-Result: 10--15.844400-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 0dFPYP4mu5TrRjK9RpPOLHFPUrVDm6jtB4Id7CiQcz8ZSz1vvG+0mh0M 66CFI34il0+n3GU6hw3Xq+XdmgGBLZWkXB0j5aAhsgYw1+LBrk0X2zxRNhh61U4QgsE4F6YvgZF HqICZdROdcjYzN/eKamnyQphTXgTZYX3K6cAq/RmVUcz8XpiS9HJZsqnL5DRjI9YWRme5+S64k1 qRtytLgSqX6Y5mW6sG7xg6K/xiEWC29wQgZg1df1ldxqSi5bOJ69aS+7/zbj+qvcIF1TcLYD4g3 mSZ3laIttK9fQbLIWEKWY3gn3cHrhsUCsgbZDEje9/eriTUr6qpvf+jmz45w7YxBkVaqVWZcqfo MGP+CwRWwYzmeuj7ndoBI3w2B4xbpp2sdpZfuTLCtSG/SQAC8cSHcUCk5Po0G1VFRGOlP68G/+S e7shk+lYZI7s2ycFuX7bicKxRIU1VKof3v8j0Mdp/U3XwL5kCsOzOncrmCoP3FLeZXNZS4DjAdL Ial4R6HAeiW1cC82xJJRuVDpDuma3C+xji6RphGeauJ59XBArtkxV67qgnQA== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 13:03:06 -0000 There's a bit more information, I think. The disclosure appears to cover five patents, but all of them seem to be = fairly old. A quick scan shows that all of the patents had an inventor = common with the author list of the draft.=20 We need to thank Ketan for triggering this IPR disclosure, and find out = what happened. Mistakes do happen, and we shouldn't judge until we know = the details. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: 22 November 2020 10:55 To: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement = about IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic Folks The IPR was filed 2004-12-10, the first individual draft posted Oct 2015 made wg document Dec 2015 Why is this IPR disclosure this late? /Loa On 21/11/2020 02:46, IETF Secretariat wrote: > Dear Ahmed Bashandy, Clarence Filsfils, Prodosh Mohapatra: >=20 >=20 > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "BGP = Prefix > Independent Convergence" (draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic) was submitted to = the IETF > Secretariat on 2020-11-19 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of > Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4490/). 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[73.63.232.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a17sm8560916pga.56.2020.11.22.10.30.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Nov 2020 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Tantsura Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 10:29:59 -0800 Message-Id: <8AABBFF0-B680-41D9-AF81-8E7B61A93D01@gmail.com> References: <03e901d6c0cf$cd127330$67375990$@olddog.co.uk> Cc: Loa Andersson , rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <03e901d6c0cf$cd127330$67375990$@olddog.co.uk> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18B92) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 18:30:05 -0000 The disclosure has been triggered by RTGWG preparing WGLC. This is the 2nd try, during the 1st IPR call we (chairs) haven=E2=80=99t rec= eived all responses required. Thanks to Clarence and Ketan working with Cisco lawyers to publish it rather= quickly. Regards, Jeff > On Nov 22, 2020, at 05:03, Adrian Farrel wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThere's a bit more information, I think. >=20 > The disclosure appears to cover five patents, but all of them seem to be f= airly old. A quick scan shows that all of the patents had an inventor common= with the author list of the draft.=20 >=20 > We need to thank Ketan for triggering this IPR disclosure, and find out wh= at happened. Mistakes do happen, and we shouldn't judge until we know the de= tails. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Loa Andersson > Sent: 22 November 2020 10:55 > To: rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement abou= t IPR related to draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic >=20 > Folks >=20 > The IPR was filed 2004-12-10, > the first individual draft posted Oct 2015 > made wg document Dec 2015 >=20 > Why is this IPR disclosure this late? >=20 > /Loa >=20 >> On 21/11/2020 02:46, IETF Secretariat wrote: >> Dear Ahmed Bashandy, Clarence Filsfils, Prodosh Mohapatra: >>=20 >>=20 >> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "BGP Pref= ix >> Independent Convergence" (draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic) was submitted to the I= ETF >> Secretariat on 2020-11-19 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of >> Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4490/). The title of the IPR disclosure= is >> "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to >> draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic" >>=20 >>=20 >> Thank you >>=20 >> IETF Secretariat >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> rtgwg mailing list >> rtgwg@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg >>=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert loa.pi.nu@gmail.com > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >=20 From nobody Mon Nov 23 23:17:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4873A167A; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:17:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ben Niven-Jenkins via Datatracker To: Cc: idr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.23.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160620226786.32561.612670509830410882@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Ben Niven-Jenkins Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:17:47 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir early review of draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-13 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:17:48 -0000 Reviewer: Ben Niven-Jenkins Review result: Has Issues Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-idr-eag-distribution-13.txt Reviewer: Ben Niven-Jenkins Review Date: 24 November 2020 Intended Status: Proposed Standard Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Comments: The document is of high quality and easy to read. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: 1) Section 2, 2nd bullet point states “the TLV must be considered malformed.” I think the must in this instance is really an RFC2119 MUST, please correct this. 2) Section 2, last paragraph states “The existing AG TLV 108 and the EAG TLV defined in this document MAY be advertised together.” However the existing AG TLV is 1088 not 108, please correct this. Nits: 1) Section 2, 2nd bullet point: s/The length value must MUST be multiple of 4./The length value MUST be a multiple of 4./ 2) Section 2, 3rd bullet point: s/that are enable/that are enabled/ Thanks Ben From nobody Wed Nov 25 12:41:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89343A1CB3; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6CHQ4qCoekrv; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x531.google.com (mail-ed1-x531.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::531]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C35D03A1CAC; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x531.google.com with SMTP id t9so3966646edq.8; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TKhm3MLNNcJpBxCFWLbY7xljNS5ylfsr7ltVuwy1PRI=; b=NtXIrT8xnZJpJgBfz2HhpdK1JFZyYU6ew/DeM/FeKfNfxAePD2w+7qHvbcYtqspm4d ECFoPu8MaUvkRp1N0GQRSoLbokbSgjqBnfLKerQEyKeWclvosHN2wVGj6BAbC0NW0LmC X7vpca6NvZfi62b9qSSyHoIwRK6WC5IjRChSXguYZ3Vhx81nSUTKzMW9mpyDhytoRdJl Xo1TmzZAC5SPVLgovyOolbz0ysdqOgmUcJMYpnXyz92EgRyOv7tZfeL3yYPy1MfQh0Oi HCzA46yv7d2hqrSZFadYEe9qP0m4w5AFRSkQrVG1qjcFAjDZNi1x33LsQmg2MOMIIT6j v+kA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TKhm3MLNNcJpBxCFWLbY7xljNS5ylfsr7ltVuwy1PRI=; b=HHVHpzPN4z+tWuXcYFWQK//qGSgjl2K5HHRCwrLAZhlfEK1Pc7HguyTiG9AFT1MA4I XYAkkJPuDxz04ud1+aNKhzr91FYNhBEsJcZL7IGZReTtXWPeBaV9A35CNmuVNhkpAuqJ g7wi4f0sveGVvy6zjp/3DVRX4IelrAut8T92JMt2nFvaDNpUd+e7Jc3yWGSDcXkD0+M8 md5gs/0R3bQTFUpLZgA4qSeeN+nkJr3EcnDYkTnbTUmtrbZc5UWLGU+BXd4MUhB1BWD/ 5360sUMi0vCvczwgQmUq1EVzw7U0TXoaJ3AvdxTmSF3YYGzlmy8uFvD0mCv5UsI8JHfV D2+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532xlYx5sFc0sJEn8wst06cyRmqosWM4Y8OaqwoxwUzQPXUcIa/i YVfXx4ML0kPOlMsIc6uJB9xXPB2zMtn1LJC/Llw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx6TYvW0TozwJhArwgBZSKNNmi+tKjO4Cje0vDc75PEddmrk5rfCas3VoDmZBVbewZM2dQAuRTGW4xUOwOKHFE= X-Received: by 2002:a50:bec4:: with SMTP id e4mr2258953edk.65.1606336900962; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:39 -0800 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: <1534861097.2977640.1481292656.42DE958C@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1534861097.2977640.1481292656.42DE958C@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:41:39 -0800 Message-ID: To: Dan Frost , rtg-ads@ietf.org, draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf.all@ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f1bf305b4f4746b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Early Review: draft-ietf-lsvr-bgp-spf-02 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 20:41:48 -0000 --0000000000005f1bf305b4f4746b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan: Hi! Sorry for the long delay in replying. This draft has now moved into my queue and I am in process of reviewing =E2=80=94 part of that is checking t= he mailing list, so I hadn=E2=80=99t seen your comment before. :-( Yes, I tend to personally agree with you with regards to the use/abuse that BGP faces. Because the IETF works =E2=80=9Cfrom the bottom up=E2=80=9D, it is up to th= e participants to define alternative mechanisms as a general transport, or to take other measures to protect BGP. In the specific case of BGP SPF, I am explicitly raising the question to the authors/WG about isolation of the BGP SPF sessions. Similar steps are being taken for BGP-LS (in rfc7752bis). BTW, I also agree with your other comments pointing at a more complete specification. My review should be done in a few days. Thank you for the review! Alvaro. On August 21, 2018 at 10:31:36 AM, Dan Frost (frost@mm.st) wrote: - This comment is primarily intended for the ADs and not specific to this draft. For quite a long time now, the IETF has been in the mode of extending BGP to carry ever more diverse forms of data, some of which are, at best, tenuously connected to routing. BGP is being used as an ad hoc distributed general-purpose database because of its flexibility, deployment scale, and implementation maturity. In many ways this is a testament to the robustness of BGP's design and the ingenuity of engineers faced with an ever-growing list of requirements to share more and more data. The fact remains, though, that BGP was not designed to be a general-purpose distributed database. With every new BGP extension RFC that adds a few more AFI/SAFIs and TLVs and a new set of processing rules, this becomes more painfully obvious. At some point (preferably 20 years ago) we need to look beyond the tactical level and produce or adopt a solution designed to address the root problem and fit to last for the next 50 years. There's a strategic hole of monumental proportions here. --0000000000005f1bf305b4f4746b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dan:

Hi!

So= rry for the long delay in replying.=C2=A0 This draft has now moved into my = queue and I am in process of reviewing =E2=80=94 part of that is checking t= he mailing list, so I hadn=E2=80=99t seen your comment before. :-(


Yes, I tend to personally agree wi= th you with regards to the use/abuse that BGP faces.

Because the IETF works =E2=80=9Cfrom the = bottom up=E2=80=9D, it is up to the participants to define alternative mech= anisms as a general transport, or to take other measures to protect BGP.=C2= =A0 In the specific case of BGP SPF, I am explicitly raising the question t= o the authors/WG about isolation of the BGP SPF sessions.=C2=A0 Similar ste= ps are being taken for BGP-LS (in rfc7752bis).

BTW, I also agree with your other comments poin= ting at a more complete specification.=C2=A0 My review should be done in a = few days.
Thank you= for the review!

Al= varo.

On August 21, 2018 at 10:31:36 AM, = Dan Frost (frost@mm.st) wrote:

- This comment is primar= ily intended for the ADs and not specific to this draft. For quite a long t= ime now, the IETF has been in the mode of extending BGP to carry ever more = diverse forms of data, some of which are, at best, tenuously connected to r= outing. BGP is being used as an ad hoc distributed general-purpose database= because of its flexibility, deployment scale, and implementation maturity.= In many ways this is a testament to the robustness of BGP's design and= the ingenuity of engineers faced with an ever-growing list of requirements= to share more and more data. The fact remains, though, that BGP was not de= signed to be a general-purpose distributed database. With every new BGP ext= ension RFC that adds a few more AFI/SAFIs and TLVs and a new set of process= ing rules, this becomes more painfully obvious. At some point (preferably 2= 0 years ago) we need to look beyond the tactical level and produce or adopt= a solution designed to address the root problem and fit to last for the ne= xt 50 years. There's a strategic hole of monumental proportions here. <= /div>
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