From turners@ieca.com Tue Apr 1 11:58:11 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m31FwBLm023923 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:58:11 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-3.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.224]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m31Fw1WP018056 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp105.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.52.174]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id A292CE9C038 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73798 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2008 15:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Wylie) (turners@ieca.com@71.191.12.181 with login) by smtp105.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2008 15:57:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3bSWDjwVM1nvWSbjWV5G6jiVdXXZVCb50r73fR_9IKw.9Nuv0Qx8CAKJotPcqu1F0JAyxh5nYg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Turner, Sean P." To: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:56:02 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <022601c89410$e2c72a30$0301a8c0@Wylie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciUEOJZYEgR/wvfTSeBF42BXw903Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.02 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: [saag] SMIME WG summary X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:58:12 -0000 This is a summary of the SMIME WG meeting held in Philadelphia as part of IETF 71. The S/MIME WG met immediately after SAAG on Thursday, March 13 2008. Mr. Turner provided a status overview of the WG: - There has been one new RFC since the last IETF: CAdES was published as RFC5126 - There is one ID with the RFC editor: draft-ietf-smime-symkeydist - There are two drafts working out IESG comments: draft-ietf-smime-ibarch and draft-ietf-smime-bfibecms - There are two drafts working out IETF LC comments: draft-ietf-smime-sha2 and draft-ietf-smime-multsig - There is one draft working out an IPR statement: draft-ietf-smime-rsa-kem - There are four active IDs in the working group: S/MIME MSG and CERT v3.2, an ASN.1 modules update, and an Update to ECC use with CMS. Mr. Turner presented the status of the S/MIME v3.2 IDs. The big change was to remove the ECC algorithms: ECDSA and ECDH from both IDs. The rationale was that they are IPR issues and they are better situated in an informational ID rather than the base IDs. The one remaining issue in the S/MIME v3.2 IDs is to settle on the key size text. The key size text will be discussed on the mailing list. Mr. Turner presented the status of the Update to ECC use with CMS ID. Updates to RFC 3278 include allowing the use of the SHA2 family of hash algorithms, adding the OIDS for these algorithms, and adding the OIDs for ECDSA with these algorithms. Comments are encourages as the ID is quite short. Mr. Schaad presented the status of the ASN.1 modules update ID. He indicated that no comments have been received since Vancouver and that more comments are requested. Mr. Shaad also gave presentation in PKIX on algorithm classes that applies to both PKIX and S/MIME. Ms..Shanin and Mr. Gennai, both from the Institute of Information Science and Technologies at the Italian National Research Council, presented Posta Elettronica Certificate (PEC). PEC, which is equivalent to Registered Mail service with a return receipt, was designed to address the Italian Government's decision to adopt electronic exchange of documents between its Public Administrations. Their presentation provided details on the message flow, transport message, and receipts. The WG suggested that the current state of affairs be drafted as an individual submission. From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Mon Apr 7 11:10:04 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m37FA4Xt009681 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:10:04 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-3.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.224]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m37F9nRo018174 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 13518EA8028 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id D4D2E210B5 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:09:23 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b019cbb000004ec0-cc-47fa3923ecb9 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id B9FDB21087 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:09:23 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.183.239]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:09:23 +0200 Message-ID: <47FA3922.1040101@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:09:22 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAAG X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2008 15:09:23.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CB6E7E0:01C898C1] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: [saag] TSVWG last call on "UDP Usage Guidelines for Application Designers" to BCP X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:10:04 -0000 Hi, I would like to inform that currently TSVWG has started the WG last call on "UDP Usage Guidelines for Application Designers" (draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines-06) with the intended status of BCP. It runs until the 21st of April. If you like to provide any comments please send them to the TSVWG mailing list (tsvwg@ietf.org). Abstract: The User Datagram Protocol (UDP) provides a minimal, message-passing transport that has no inherent congestion control mechanisms. Because congestion control is critical to the stable operation of the Internet, applications and upper-layer protocols that choose to use UDP as an Internet transport must employ mechanisms to prevent congestion collapse and establish some degree of fairness with concurrent traffic. This document provides guidelines on the use of UDP for the designers of such applications and upper-layer protocols. Congestion control guidelines are a primary focus, but the document also provides guidance on other topics, including message sizes, reliability, checksums and middlebox traversal. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tsvwg-udp-guidelines-06.txt Best Regards Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Färögatan 6 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Manuel.A.Offenberg@seagate.com Mon Apr 7 12:27:36 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m37GRap8013300 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:27:36 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.112]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m37GRQEJ006648 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pps0.ok-ext.mailhost.seagate.com (pps0.ok-ext.mailhost.seagate.com [192.55.20.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 45D291018CEB for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sv-gw1.notes.seagate.com (sv-gw1.stsj.seagate.com [10.5.132.29]) by pps0ok.ok-ext.mailhost.seagate.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m37GR4js018219 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:27:05 -0700 From: Manuel.A.Offenberg@seagate.com To: saag@mit.edu Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:27:00 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SV-GW1/Seagate Internet(Release 7.0.1 HF29|March 07, 2006) at 04/07/2008 09:27:05 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-FWRule: outbound2 X-Spam-Score: 0.776 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: [saag] Manuel A Offenberg has limited access to email. X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:27:36 -0000 I will be out of the office starting 04/07/2008 and will not return until 04/11/2008. May have intermittent access to email. For emergencies, please contact me on my cell (415) 235 8917 or Jim Dykes at (720) 684-2601. Kind regards, Manuel Offenberg From hoepi42@gmail.com Wed Apr 16 17:55:56 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3GLtuaR005515 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:55:56 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-3.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.224]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3GLtirG008769 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.169]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id D47D9EDA546 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so3416181wfg.21 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:55:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=shFojc8bnVHAqUXWM13ruqouj727/1qxPf+3tw8TRPY=; b=f89BWq0dcFCoDhhbxUe4Db7QT5UUohvSvoYmLQNF/8Tz7VjkI3Frg/hDPZEF9toDtko5OQWwpVgiKjsdubt+bd0wub2yfu0l0fWPZ9Pc+Q+AkGf40lz6hI0UJAZVJRrGVgf2ST8Y+AN8LguaRKsziGj6LX1xmwsLznqbOeXowUY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bJlUZnPVKdiB6S9yHjkwiArslVMbV9Wjv5AMDHyjvzepVWmt5m+cWd1ZlkASqBamGwTAtCex997NhQ9TWkYp8wd5wGqRRVJQ1SA38iS5cTqCsKYPKnC54hpQX8ONpRfleEWpZk0aohd3Rn5WbnNgkNYabWgBk9n/qxVsPkR8m0E= Received: by 10.142.68.14 with SMTP id q14mr155214wfa.290.1208382919969; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.232.11 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <98f5f260804161455v2ce83569l6e97fc9752d24c98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:55:19 -0400 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Katrin_H=F6per?=" To: emu@ietf.org, hokey@ietf.org, saag@mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24521_32487092.1208382919967" X-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: [saag] Invitation to subscribe to IETF proxy mailing list X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:55:56 -0000 ------=_Part_24521_32487092.1208382919967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, Security problems related to network proxies persistently come up in several IETF WGs and may affect the security of existing IETF network solutions while slowing down the progress of some current Internet Drafts. For this reason, Tim Polk and I organized an informal meeting in Philadelphia at IETF 71 to discuss these so-called "proxy problems" and their implications. As a result of our meeting, a proxy email list was created to further investigate the proxy problems. This email serves as an invitation to anybody interested to join our discussions on the list. Please subscribe at: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies Best regards, Katrin Hoeper ______________________________________________ Katrin Hoeper Computer Security Division National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) 100 Bureau Dr. Mail stop: 8930 Gaithersburg, MD 20878 (301) 975 - 4024 ------=_Part_24521_32487092.1208382919967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Hi,

 

Security problems related to network proxies persistently come up in several IETF WGs and may affect the security of existing IETF network solutions while slowing down the progress of some current Internet Drafts.

 

For this reason, Tim Polk and I organized an informal meeting in Philadelphia at IETF 71 to discuss these so-called "proxy problems" and their implications. As a result of our meeting, a proxy email list was created to further investigate the proxy problems.

 

This email serves as an invitation to anybody interested to join our discussions on the list. Please subscribe at: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies

 

Best regards,

Katrin Hoeper

 ______________________________________________

Katrin Hoeper
Computer Security Division
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
100 Bureau Dr. Mail stop: 8930
Gaithersburg, MD 20878
(301) 975 - 4024

------=_Part_24521_32487092.1208382919967-- From rbarnes@bbn.com Wed Apr 16 22:22:23 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3H2MNKe005935 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:22:23 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.112]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3H2M807007739 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx11.bbn.com (mx11.bbn.com [128.33.0.80]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id BB67A107612D for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.89.255.16] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mx11.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmJkt-0000XD-6I; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:21:44 -0400 Message-ID: <4806B436.7030006@bbn.com> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:21:42 -0400 From: Richard Barnes User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Katrin_H=F6per?= References: <98f5f260804161455v2ce83569l6e97fc9752d24c98@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <98f5f260804161455v2ce83569l6e97fc9752d24c98@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: saag@mit.edu Subject: Re: [saag] Invitation to subscribe to IETF proxy mailing list X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:22:23 -0000 Katrin, Could you clarify what type of "proxies" are being discussed on this list? What layers of the stack are you looking at? Network: Mobile IP Home Agents Transport: TURN servers Application: HTTP proxies, SIP proxies Or are you looking at the concept of proxying in general? The text of both messages in the list archive seemed pretty agnostic, but there were attachments discussing AAA proxies. Is AAA the focus of this list? --Richard Katrin Höper wrote: > Hi, > > > > Security problems related to network proxies persistently come up > in several IETF WGs and may affect the security of existing IETF network > solutions while slowing down the progress of some current Internet Drafts. > > > > For this reason, Tim Polk and I organized an informal meeting in > Philadelphia at IETF 71 to discuss these so-called "proxy problems" and > their implications. As a result of our meeting, a proxy email list was > created to further investigate the proxy problems. > > > > This email serves as an invitation to anybody interested to join > our discussions on the list. Please subscribe at: > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies > > > > Best regards, > > Katrin Hoeper > > ______________________________________________ > > Katrin Hoeper > Computer Security Division > National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) > 100 Bureau Dr. Mail stop: 8930 > Gaithersburg, MD 20878 > (301) 975 - 4024 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/saag From aboba@internaut.com Thu Apr 17 01:58:33 2008 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3H5wXE1009271 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:58:33 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.112]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3H5wPdt016387 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mho-02-bos.mailhop.org (mho-02-bos.mailhop.org [63.208.196.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 3DB2D107714B for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c-24-18-147-115.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([24.18.147.115] helo=internaut.com) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JmN8G-00071N-Oy for saag@mit.edu; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:58:04 +0000 Received: by internaut.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BDA1D70D17; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by internaut.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B012870B65 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:58:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 24.18.147.115 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19jwaoL+FLtMP/wbs7ht8XU Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bernard Aboba To: saag@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <4806B436.7030006@bbn.com> Message-ID: References: <98f5f260804161455v2ce83569l6e97fc9752d24c98@mail.gmail.com> <4806B436.7030006@bbn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: Re: [saag] Invitation to subscribe to IETF proxy mailing list X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:58:33 -0000 > The text of both messages in the list archive seemed pretty agnostic, > but there were attachments discussing AAA proxies. Is AAA the focus of > this list? If so, why isn't this being handled in the O&M Area? From Manuel.A.Offenberg@seagate.com Thu Apr 17 13:22:49 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3HHMnrm011004 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:49 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.223]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3HHMdGK010948 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pps0.ok-ext.mailhost.seagate.com (pps0.ok-ext.mailhost.seagate.com [192.55.20.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 3ECF8DD15E1 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sv-gw1.notes.seagate.com (sv-gw1.stsj.seagate.com [10.5.132.29]) by pps0ok.ok-ext.mailhost.seagate.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3HHMHkc004748 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:22:18 -0700 From: Manuel.A.Offenberg@seagate.com To: saag@mit.edu Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:22:09 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SV-GW1/Seagate Internet(Release 7.0.1 HF29|March 07, 2006) at 04/17/2008 10:22:18 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Proofpoint-FWRule: outbound2 X-Spam-Score: 0.962 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: [saag] Manuel A Offenberg has limited access to email. 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Kind regards, Manuel Offenberg From hoepi42@gmail.com Thu Apr 17 15:31:15 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3HJVFIT025756 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:31:15 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.223]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3HJV6QE019536 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 7F713DCD106 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so188074wfg.21 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=W4yqnKIRW9rsU1LYb4zcImSWu0crda7cUPXCPFJMffw=; b=QswNj2qOyYbdGuyrjNAgLFC860Lq7dQuNpWt5Y/W1yIM3QLqVZrjLH9OF9fx37K/cjpiItwCE5mSvAcB9TVV1N7Ee43pynmD1pkr+UIFI2hvcoe5toK9cE4Hcbkm+Qo0ntRI4S/M+Ev7j4ppZa770gRinkmdZ0Z3eOa/xOHrpkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O3Ksx0mtWRro0Pv3UDAhZr58kshSNtVOI96GGdoSOjLIWva6/V3evpqMIbpE5tJFOYpVxQ1LC3+9GSeLIsJJsApPNGNR3mJv//lGY9hiaAeh6hmqBXKlWVmKbVOxJREjPaTChhMXq889hNjNXn9XsLR45s9uHJsD6AJTA9uIlM8= Received: by 10.142.246.8 with SMTP id t8mr527020wfh.31.1208460639817; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.232.11 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <98f5f260804171230j730a731fl8b877980ada635a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:30:39 -0400 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Katrin_H=F6per?=" To: "Richard Barnes" In-Reply-To: <4806B436.7030006@bbn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1255_5721420.1208460639815" References: <98f5f260804161455v2ce83569l6e97fc9752d24c98@mail.gmail.com> <4806B436.7030006@bbn.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: saag@mit.edu Subject: Re: [saag] Invitation to subscribe to IETF proxy mailing list X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:31:15 -0000 ------=_Part_1255_5721420.1208460639815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello Richard, We decided to use AAA proxies as a starting point for our discussion for simplicity. In addition, people present at the initial meeting were most familar with these type of proxies and the security issues they introduce. The long-term (and ideal) goal of the list could be to extend the results o= f the AAA discussion in order to adress proxy-related security issues in general. However, for now we will focus on AAA proxies. Katrin On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > Katrin, > > Could you clarify what type of "proxies" are being discussed on this list= ? > What layers of the stack are you looking at? > Network: Mobile IP Home Agents > Transport: TURN servers > Application: HTTP proxies, SIP proxies > Or are you looking at the concept of proxying in general? > > The text of both messages in the list archive seemed pretty agnostic, but > there were attachments discussing AAA proxies. Is AAA the focus of this > list? > > --Richard > > > > Katrin H=F6per wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Security problems related to network proxies persistently come up in > > several IETF WGs and may affect the security of existing IETF network > > solutions while slowing down the progress of some current Internet Draf= ts. > > > > > > For this reason, Tim Polk and I organized an informal meeting in > > Philadelphia at IETF 71 to discuss these so-called "proxy problems" and > > their implications. As a result of our meeting, a proxy email list was > > created to further investigate the proxy problems. > > > > > > This email serves as an invitation to anybody interested to join our > > discussions on the list. Please subscribe at: > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/proxies > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Katrin Hoeper > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Katrin Hoeper > > Computer Security Division > > National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) > > 100 Bureau Dr. Mail stop: 8930 > > Gaithersburg, MD 20878 > > (301) 975 - 4024 > > > > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > > > _______________________________________________ > > saag mailing list > > saag@mit.edu > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/saag > > > > ------=_Part_1255_5721420.1208460639815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hello Richard,
 
We decided to use AAA proxies as a starting point for our discussion f= or simplicity. In addition, people present at the initial meeting were most= familar with these type of proxies and the security issues they introduce.=
The long-term (and ideal) goal of the list could be to extend the= results of the AAA discussion in order to adress proxy-related security is= sues in general. However, for now we will focus on AAA proxies.
 
Katrin
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Richard Barnes= <rbarnes@bbn.com> wrote:
Katrin,

Could you clarify= what type of "proxies" are being discussed on this list?  W= hat layers of the stack are you looking at?
Network: Mobile IP Home Agents
Transport: TURN servers
Application: H= TTP proxies, SIP proxies
Or are you looking at the concept of proxying i= n general?

The text of both messages in the list archive seemed pret= ty agnostic, but there were attachments discussing AAA proxies.  Is AA= A the focus of this list?

--Richard



Katrin H=F6per wrote:
Hi,

 
Security problems related to net= work proxies persistently come up in several IETF WGs and may affect the se= curity of existing IETF network solutions while slowing down the progress o= f some current Internet Drafts.

 
For this reason, Tim Polk and I organized an informal meeting= in Philadelphia at IETF 71 to discuss these so-called "proxy problems= " and their implications. As a result of our meeting, a proxy email li= st was created to further investigate the proxy problems.

 
This email serves as an invitation to anybody interested to j= oin our discussions on the list. Please subscribe at: https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/proxies

 
Best regards,

Katrin Hoeper

 _____________= _________________________________

Katrin Hoeper
Computer Security= Division
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
100 B= ureau Dr. Mail stop: 8930
Gaithersburg, MD 20878
(301) 975 - 4024


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------=_Part_1255_5721420.1208460639815-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu Apr 17 16:33:29 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3HKXTem010987 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:33:29 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.112]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3HKXKds029668 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id CEC4F10955BD for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.20.30.162] (dsl-63-249-108-169.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m3HKWFUP099804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <98f5f260804171230j730a731fl8b877980ada635a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <98f5f260804161455v2ce83569l6e97fc9752d24c98@mail.gmail.com> <4806B436.7030006@bbn.com> <98f5f260804171230j730a731fl8b877980ada635a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:32:13 -0700 To: "Katrin Höper" From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Barracuda-Header-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char F6 hex) in message header 'To' To: "Katrin H\366per" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:33:29 -0000 >We decided to use AAA proxies as a starting point for our discussion >for simplicity. I don't remember the last time I read a sentence that contained both "AAA proxies" and "simplicity". >The long-term (and ideal) goal of the list could be to extend the >results of the AAA discussion in order to adress proxy-related >security issues in general. However, for now we will focus on AAA >proxies. Lots of application proxies have *very* different properties than AAA proxies. It will be interesting to see how much of the AAA work will be applicable. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Tue Apr 22 05:00:12 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3M90C0e025731 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:00:12 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-1.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.220]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3M9035h003748 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id C4DC188F971 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m3M91tND002952; Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:02:08 -0500 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:59:38 +0300 Received: from vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.59]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:59:38 +0300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:59:37 +0300 Message-ID: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB726E051E@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Discussions about IPsec maintenance/extensions WG Thread-index: AcikVzD4A9afoy4RRI6lOoDeI+kviw== From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2008 08:59:38.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[31FE5280:01C8A457] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.69 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id m3M90C0e025731 Subject: [saag] Discussions about IPsec maintenance/extensions WG X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:00:12 -0000 Hi all, We're starting a discussion about the possibility of forming an IPsec maintenance/extensions working group. If you're interested, join the IPsec mailing list. Joining the list: http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipsec List archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipsec/current/maillist.html Best regards, Pasi From tim.polk@nist.gov Fri Apr 25 10:20:45 2008 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3PEKhdE022177 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:20:43 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-1.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.111]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3PEKZXp029220 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.nist.gov (rimp1.nist.gov [129.6.16.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id B0B1A8F16F5; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.15.166] (bethany.ncsl.nist.gov [129.6.52.15]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3PEJWjs020384; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:19:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nist.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tim Polk Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:19:40 -0400 To: emu@ietf.org, msec@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: tim.polk@nist.gov X-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: Lakshminath Dondeti , saag@mit.edu, "secdir@MIT.EDU" , Ran Canetti , Alan DeKok Subject: [saag] new co-chairs for emu and msec X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:20:46 -0000 Folks, Pasi and I are very pleased to announce that two of our co-chair vacancies have been filled. Alan Dekok has agreed to co-chair the EAP Method Update (emu) working group with Joe Salowey, who has been flying solo for some time now. Brian Weis will be co- chairing the Multicast Security (msec) working group; he is taking over for Ran Canetti. Lakshminath Dondeti has agreed to continue with msec for a bit longer, which we greatly appreciate. This will certainly smooth the transition, and it gives Pasi and I a bit more time to finalize things with a second co-chair for msec. We are really delighted that Alan and Brian have accepted these leadership positions, and are looking forward to working closely with them in the future. We also would like to thank everyone that threw their name into the hat. Pasi and I had the luxury of choosing between multiple highly qualified candidates. It is great to see how many people have the ability and desire to contribute in IETF leadership positions. Finally, we would like to thank everyone in the community that submitted nominations. Please stay tuned for future co-chair announcements for tls and msec. Thanks, Tim Polk and Pasi Eronen From gogwim@unijos.edu.ng Fri Apr 25 11:43:36 2008 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3PFhXME014578 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-1.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.220]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3PFhNRU004101 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.unijos.edu.ng (mail.unijos.edu.ng [82.206.136.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id C150D8B9E25; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.unijos.edu.ng [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.unijos.edu.ng (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE9B6816D; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:37:37 +0100 (WAT) X-Spam-Score: 0.12 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.031 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.8, AWL=0.368, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.unijos.edu.ng ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.unijos.edu.ng [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lg7tDfI5O4lT; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:37:28 +0100 (WAT) Received: from imap.unijos.edu.ng (imap.unijos.edu.ng [10.0.0.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.unijos.edu.ng (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3034768161; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:37:28 +0100 (WAT) Received: from mail.unijos.edu.ng (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imap.unijos.edu.ng (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA1C28106; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:44:47 +0100 (WAT) Received: from 192.168.192.232 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gogwim) by mail.unijos.edu.ng with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:44:47 +0100 (WAT) Message-ID: <51428.192.168.192.232.1209138287.squirrel@mail.unijos.edu.ng> In-Reply-To: <0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nist.gov> References: <0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nist.gov> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:44:47 +0100 (WAT) From: "GOGWIM, JOEL GODWIN" To: "Tim Polk" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: msec@ietf.org, Lakshminath Dondeti , emu@ietf.org, saag@mit.edu, "secdir@MIT.EDU" , Ran Canetti , Alan DeKok Subject: Re: [saag] new co-chairs for emu and msec X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: gogwim@unijos.edu.ng List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:43:36 -0000 You are welcome on the chairs and big congratulations while anticipating your able leadership. Thank you, ^^Gogwim,Joel. On Fri, April 25, 2008 3:19 pm, Tim Polk said: > Folks, > > Pasi and I are very pleased to announce that two of our co-chair > vacancies have been filled. > > Alan Dekok has agreed to co-chair the EAP Method Update (emu) working > group with Joe Salowey, > who has been flying solo for some time now. Brian Weis will be co- > chairing the Multicast Security > (msec) working group; he is taking over for Ran Canetti. > Lakshminath Dondeti has agreed to continue > with msec for a bit longer, which we greatly appreciate. This will > certainly smooth the transition, and > it gives Pasi and I a bit more time to finalize things with a second > co-chair for msec. > > We are really delighted that Alan and Brian have accepted these > leadership positions, and are looking > forward to working closely with them in the future. We also would > like to thank everyone that threw their > name into the hat. Pasi and I had the luxury of choosing between > multiple highly qualified candidates. > It is great to see how many people have the ability and desire to > contribute in IETF leadership positions. > Finally, we would like to thank everyone in the community that > submitted nominations. > > Please stay tuned for future co-chair announcements for tls and msec. > > Thanks, > > Tim Polk and Pasi Eronen > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@mit.edu > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/saag > From ldondeti@qualcomm.com Fri Apr 25 12:14:55 2008 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3PGEtie024831 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:14:55 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-1.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.111]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3PGEiCx001295 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolverine01.qualcomm.com (wolverine01.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.254]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 54E2F8F3417; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:14:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=ldondeti@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1209140075; x=1240676075; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:x-ironport-av; z=Message-ID:=20<48120367.8090307@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Fr i,=2025=20Apr=202008=2009:14:31=20-0700|From:=20Lakshmina th=20Dondeti=20|User-Agent:=20Thun derbird=202.0.0.12=20(Windows/20080213)|MIME-Version:=201 .0|To:=20Alan=20DeKok=20,=20Br ian=20Weis=20|CC:=20Tim=20Polk=20,=20emu@ietf.org,=20msec@ietf.org,=0D=0A=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20"secdir@MIT.EDU"=20,=20 saag@mit.edu,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20Pasi=20Eronen =20,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Ran=20Canetti=20|Subject:=20Re: =20new=20co-chairs=20for=20emu=20and=20msec|References: =20<0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nist.gov> |In-Reply-To:=20<0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nis t.gov>|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DISO-8859 -15=3B=20format=3Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bi t|X-IronPort-AV:=20E=3DMcAfee=3Bi=3D"5100,188,5282"=3B=20 a=3D"2699423"; bh=foj0P28z/Z4uuNmaP7fEqfTVVBbdlmjRyL6+V1cwrT8=; b=I3SRsvBniR9bR4mAKAhhx9iEvXDSU9AiuZ326vhjwQKCJKvKEr9/D82N 4gn+T7b+ISFp8c6FMlHtm3CSnFXrArp6eF1x2cjegS8b7McI3yTHu1UOB LVYfaEtHe7Ls841uW3GziaLqzRsqpKfPbqDD4YJhGCBorPHYGbzVIgtug U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5100,188,5282"; a="2699423" Received: from pdmz-ns-mip.qualcomm.com (HELO numenor.qualcomm.com) ([199.106.114.10]) by wolverine01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Apr 2008 09:14:33 -0700 Received: from msgtransport02.qualcomm.com (msgtransport02.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.151]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m3PGEX8J011300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:14:33 -0700 Received: from [10.50.64.103] (qconnect-10-50-64-103.qualcomm.com [10.50.64.103]) by msgtransport02.qualcomm.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/1.0) with ESMTP id m3PGEV3A025356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:14:32 -0700 Message-ID: <48120367.8090307@qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:14:31 -0700 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan DeKok , Brian Weis References: <0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nist.gov> In-Reply-To: <0229AD28-4007-4DAA-A098-7201A7F81C41@nist.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: msec@ietf.org, emu@ietf.org, saag@mit.edu, Tim Polk , "secdir@MIT.EDU" , Ran Canetti Subject: Re: [saag] new co-chairs for emu and msec X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:14:55 -0000 Congratulations to Alan and Brian. Thanks for taking on these responsibilities. best wishes, Lakshminath On 4/25/2008 7:19 AM, Tim Polk wrote: > Folks, > > Pasi and I are very pleased to announce that two of our co-chair > vacancies have been filled. > > Alan Dekok has agreed to co-chair the EAP Method Update (emu) working > group with Joe Salowey, > who has been flying solo for some time now. Brian Weis will be > co-chairing the Multicast Security > (msec) working group; he is taking over for Ran Canetti. Lakshminath > Dondeti has agreed to continue > with msec for a bit longer, which we greatly appreciate. This will > certainly smooth the transition, and > it gives Pasi and I a bit more time to finalize things with a second > co-chair for msec. > > We are really delighted that Alan and Brian have accepted these > leadership positions, and are looking > forward to working closely with them in the future. We also would like > to thank everyone that threw their > name into the hat. Pasi and I had the luxury of choosing between > multiple highly qualified candidates. > It is great to see how many people have the ability and desire to > contribute in IETF leadership positions. > Finally, we would like to thank everyone in the community that submitted > nominations. > > Please stay tuned for future co-chair announcements for tls and msec. > > Thanks, > > Tim Polk and Pasi Eronen > From tim.polk@nist.gov Tue Apr 29 15:16:26 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3TJGQHv007603 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:16:26 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-1.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.220]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3TJGEI2000137 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.nist.gov (rimp1.nist.gov [129.6.16.226]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id F07068BFD64 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.15.166] (bethany.ncsl.nist.gov [129.6.52.15]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m3TJFlWu019436; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:15:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05449595-C56F-4B1F-867C-CBE4FFD00EC5@nist.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tim Polk Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:15:51 -0400 To: saag@mit.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: tim.polk@nist.gov X-Spam-Score: 0.13 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: [saag] Minutes for SAAG session uploaded X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:16:26 -0000 Folks, I finally got minutes for the SAAG session from IETF 71 completed and uploaded. I'm afraid that leaves just 24 hours to review and submit comments. If I have misrepresented anyone, please let me know by noon tomorrow (Eastern) and I will correct the mistakes. The draft minutes are available at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/ 08mar/minutes/saag.txt Thanks, Tim Polk From sandy@tislabs.com Wed Apr 30 15:44:50 2008 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3UJioF4019313 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:44:50 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-2.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.223]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3UJieL5021205 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nutshell.tislabs.com (sentry.gw.tislabs.com [192.94.214.100]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id E7FFBDFC7AD for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nutshell.tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id m3UJfHff005781; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nodnsquery(10.66.1.30) by nutshell.tislabs.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAJvaGsl; Wed, 30 Apr 08 15:41:17 -0400 Received: by pecan.tislabs.com (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 4A3323F477; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:44:11 -0400 (EDT) To: saag@mit.edu, tim.polk@nist.gov In-Reply-To: <05449595-C56F-4B1F-867C-CBE4FFD00EC5@nist.gov> Message-Id: <20080430194411.4A3323F477@pecan.tislabs.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: sandy@tislabs.com (Sandy Murphy) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: sandy@tislabs.com Subject: Re: [saag] Minutes for SAAG session uploaded X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:44:50 -0000 >I'm afraid that leaves just 24 hours to review and submit >comments. And to respond to comments, unfortunately. In the discussion of the kmart bof, the following paragraph is cut off abruptly: There were good presentations by Routing and Security Area Directors, discussions of link state routing, threats, and key management. There seems to be agreement that there are four problems and three are probably pretty easy. The fourth is a multicast problem, and is generally generally ... considered more difficult? ignored? not handled well? I'm trying to listen to the audio archives to figure out what this was supposed to be. Or Donald could tell us what he remembers saying. --Sandy From Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com Wed Apr 30 16:00:54 2008 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3UK0sk8024651 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:00:54 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (W92-130-BARRACUDA-1.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.220]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3UK0jFj017377 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail153.messagelabs.com (mail153.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.51]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 5EC718B078C for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:00:12 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-153.messagelabs.com!1209585618!9405748!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [129.188.136.8] Received: (qmail 1438 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2008 20:00:18 -0000 Received: from motgate8.mot.com (HELO motgate8.mot.com) (129.188.136.8) by server-5.tower-153.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2008 20:00:18 -0000 Received: from il06exr04.mot.com (il06exr04.mot.com [129.188.137.134]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motorola) with ESMTP id m3UK0HdV025636 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from il06vts03.mot.com (il06vts03.mot.com [129.188.137.143]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/Vontu) with SMTP id m3UK0HKL014646 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from de01exm64.ds.mot.com (de01exm64.am.mot.com [10.176.8.15]) by il06exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id m3UK0GOn014639 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:00:16 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:00:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3870C46029D1F945B1472F170D2D979003C166A0@de01exm64.ds.mot.com> In-Reply-To: <20080430194411.4A3323F477@pecan.tislabs.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [saag] Minutes for SAAG session uploaded thread-index: Aciq/Bsw82oETpaJSxGEhTezkvnHkwAAJdcQ References: <05449595-C56F-4B1F-867C-CBE4FFD00EC5@nist.gov> <20080430194411.4A3323F477@pecan.tislabs.com> From: "Eastlake III Donald-LDE008" To: "Sandy Murphy" X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Spam-Score: 3.7 X-Spam-Level: *** (3.7) X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pch.mit.edu id m3UK0sk8024651 Cc: saag@mit.edu Subject: Re: [saag] Minutes for SAAG session uploaded X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:00:54 -0000 Well, I send in the following minor tweak to fix that: >>>> Donald Eastlake presenting for KMART > > The KMART BOF was anticipated to be very interesting, as in very > controversial. In fact, the BOF was more successful than anticipated > which led to it being less exciting perhaps. > > There were good presentations by Routing and Security Area Directors, > discussions of link state routing, threats, and key management. There > seems to be agreement that there are four problems and three are > probably pretty easy. The fourth is a multicast problem, and is > generally considered a research topic. > > Tim Polk thanked Don for taking the lead. He was very encouraged that > many people thought there should have been a charter discussion. > While > Tim felt that was premature, and that we really needed that exchange > of background ideas instead of charter work, but he considered it a > very good sign for long range work. Donald -----Original Message----- From: saag-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:saag-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Sandy Murphy Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:44 PM To: saag@mit.edu; tim.polk@nist.gov Cc: sandy@tislabs.com Subject: Re: [saag] Minutes for SAAG session uploaded >I'm afraid that leaves just 24 hours to review and submit >comments. And to respond to comments, unfortunately. In the discussion of the kmart bof, the following paragraph is cut off abruptly: There were good presentations by Routing and Security Area Directors, discussions of link state routing, threats, and key management. There seems to be agreement that there are four problems and three are probably pretty easy. The fourth is a multicast problem, and is generally generally ... considered more difficult? ignored? not handled well? I'm trying to listen to the audio archives to figure out what this was supposed to be. Or Donald could tell us what he remembers saying. --Sandy _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/saag From sandy@tislabs.com Wed Apr 30 16:09:24 2008 Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu (FORT-POINT-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.76]) by pch.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m3UK9O1r027207 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:09:24 -0400 Received: from mit.edu (M24-004-BARRACUDA-3.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.114]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m3UK994a015609 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nutshell.tislabs.com (sentry.gw.tislabs.com [192.94.214.100]) by mit.edu (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id DF71EEF482B for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nutshell.tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id m3UK5kvu005821; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nodnsquery(10.66.1.30) by nutshell.tislabs.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAH7aGxl; Wed, 30 Apr 08 16:05:46 -0400 Received: by pecan.tislabs.com (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 194C13F46C; Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com In-Reply-To: <3870C46029D1F945B1472F170D2D979003C166A0@de01exm64.ds.mot.com> Message-Id: <20080430200840.194C13F46C@pecan.tislabs.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: sandy@tislabs.com (Sandy Murphy) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: saag@mit.edu Subject: Re: [saag] Minutes for SAAG session uploaded X-BeenThere: saag@mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:09:25 -0000 >Well, I send in the following minor tweak to fix that: Sorry, I didn't know. Apologies for the unnecessary bother-age. --Sandy