From nobody Thu Nov 1 07:27:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A824128C65 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:27:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id svcbyQ8BojHc for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6490124D68 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E5A300AB4 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:27:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id WcEoxlSLWhky for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-71-178-45-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.178.45.35]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BA4C300AA4; Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:27:22 -0400 Cc: IETF SAAG , Dave Plonka Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9381F169-2522-4A1A-AF75-71BE52142157@vigilsec.com> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] maprg session on Tue Nov 6, 1610-1810 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 14:27:27 -0000 Mirja: That session collides with secdispatch. Many security folks will be = there. Russ > On Oct 31, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind = wrote: >=20 > Hi security folks! >=20 > I just wanted to point you at our next maprg session in Bangkok as we = have a couple of security relevant presentations on the agenda, e.g. >=20 > The Rise of Certificate Transparency and Its Implications on the = Internet Ecosystem (by Matthias W=C3=A4hlisch) >=20 > Is the Web Ready for OCSP Must Staple? (Nick Sullivan) >=20 > Both of these talks are at the end of the session, so maybe if = secdispatch finishes early, you maybe able to make it! >=20 > The maprg session is=20 >=20 > Tuesday, 6 November 2018, Afternoon Session II 1610-1810 > Room Name: Chitlada 1 >=20 > See you there! > Mirja (chair) From nobody Sun Nov 4 01:41:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBD6128DFD; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 01:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eUUPKS5Mib9R; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 01:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf1-x441.google.com (mail-pf1-x441.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::441]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4A12127133; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 01:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x441.google.com with SMTP id y18-v6so569568pfn.1; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 01:41:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:to; bh=hI1Ji5xDQQ+cmPe13UC+ELN092I7GhYhN6df96ofVv8=; b=p6Z6QqUkLoBjXoiEQBLCJaEkMhYwxpCTfHGDC9sE4T/bndc1jwPv+TipEH/Rmn5Vam lc0IlWyukRKGInAmNPm6SjskIsPuIuGNgguM/Q8RJewS2GbWoXYaiv86arYWPy0WEL7v oW1nXO5l4fl6/F6IKs2giUKFXAtywOF4ENc2TgsbKUu1DUbTXlqPy0jXwQ6pPAaBokiG FlvSepWjpbMfc9Dd7INn1hquMrptb3gDFahJ27ZwVcVAN9hRuPzfmjnJyt3itvdcFmKI yH5DKIttRZMr4Tobs+WXwW0TB1agoqaVjEYKbaiZvG3cR8crQH4GqfaS8uMGkiowIPqv lRUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:to; bh=hI1Ji5xDQQ+cmPe13UC+ELN092I7GhYhN6df96ofVv8=; b=bPsHDJkoBh5jueH72zWOl0B/jBnEhXdJghTHyQ0gIKFsCANRMO4L3yX0pTuR+NZg9y 8QKim7/YvV7dDFW8I6r2/CyrTeF5ZouOifY520WGkC2e5mplqh1QBSoiLQ7MrIDoH7vt 86tlZBaARIhJrLh/ByKfwSkRxox21mB323f677NdAJc7jYdiML8nPKRjvTU0KSR0clzP 78nRz8nIv7gMmdBQI4k5bgEiRqJs9vsx39ORYqVn05P6YI/btIeobGDra91AHRzXm8yQ K/OZ5QL04+gjH9ZJpqCpGIWhS7OrQTDrcWLCmhAyzj9cfaRsvJGjup9SY/0Lyk1zmkdx FDtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKLfyNeIa56ETyvxnUxlct78Rn/zYscD2Oy0PiWoizunlJvOnsn 3M6FQba4JgcG44c7KR5bJjzTlZKK X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5c1Sz75zXHrj2sxMIjwQ6v10iKCbIaujKamTWlxEc6WwdalIMXbDA6d8ZAeeyjRnBOdcfszXA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:e055:: with SMTP id n21mr2714654pgj.397.1541320900536; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 01:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.24.247] (110-170-235-6.static.asianet.co.th. [110.170.235.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d64-v6sm7781012pfa.80.2018.11.04.01.41.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 04 Nov 2018 01:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Jordan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FE0F3960-533C-4337-8B48-183471BAC0A4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: <606EB479-0F4D-40D1-B1AF-463CB0FB6418@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:41:27 +0700 To: "saag@ietf.org" , Secdispatch@ietf.org, cacao@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [saag] CACAO meetings at IETF 103 Bangkok X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 08:41:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FE0F3960-533C-4337-8B48-183471BAC0A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, This is just a friendly reminder about the two scheduled activities = around CACAO at this IETF. If anyone would like further information, or = would like to talk at an additional time, please let me know. =20 Sunday Night 18:00 Hot RFC Talk in Chitlada 3, 2nd floor Tuesday Night 17:00 Side Meeting in Pagoda, 4th floor Document The initial introduction draft document can be found here: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jordan-cacao-introduction-00 = Abstract The CACAO draft describes the need for defining a standardized language = and associated protocols to capture and automate a collection of = coordinated cyber security actions and responses. This collection of = actions is called a Course of Action (COA) Project.=20 Goals Our goal is to have a BOF at IETF 104 Prague and hopefully a working = group shortly there after. If you are interested in Course of Action = Projects, Security Playbooks, the Integrated Adaptive Cyber Defense = (IACD) work from Johns Hopkins University - Applied Physics Lab (APL), = or automated security response please join us. Thanks, Bret PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 "Without cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing that = can not be unscrambled is an egg." --Apple-Mail=_FE0F3960-533C-4337-8B48-183471BAC0A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii All,

This = is just a friendly reminder about the two scheduled activities around = CACAO at this IETF. If anyone would like further information, or would = like to talk at an additional time, please let me know.  

  1. Sunday Night 18:00 Hot RFC Talk in Chitlada 3, 2nd = floor
  2. Tuesday Night 17:00 Side Meeting in Pagoda, 4th = floor

Document
The initial = introduction draft document can be found here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jordan-cacao-introduction-00<= /a>

Abstract
The CACAO = draft describes the need for defining a standardized language and = associated protocols to capture and automate a collection of coordinated = cyber security actions and responses.  This collection of actions = is called a Course of Action (COA) Project. 

Goals
Our goal is to have a BOF at = IETF 104 Prague and hopefully a working group shortly there after. If = you are interested in Course of Action Projects, Security Playbooks, the = Integrated Adaptive Cyber Defense (IACD) work from Johns = Hopkins University - Applied Physics Lab (APL), or automated = security response please join us.


Thanks,
Bret
PGP = Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447  F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 = 0050
"Without = cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing that can not = be unscrambled is an = egg."

= --Apple-Mail=_FE0F3960-533C-4337-8B48-183471BAC0A4-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 19:36:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA55130E6A for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rgu8Xz2Z-e1f for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from taper.sei.cmu.edu (taper.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFF812D4ED for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 19:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by taper.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA73aWaL020883 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 22:36:32 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 taper.sei.cmu.edu wA73aWaL020883 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1541561792; bh=HlRF4PIKBUfjGGbMxYYvQi4Fyaq1VQjcQbsD5rGYPQk=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=WBV8xELWdv/d+XUM/OpSpGNMDaX/TENdrOgRFLHYuef4Dm6G+Qn0xU48rloTWP51r ty2LakYCh+mnRT9DaY8JPx59WYrc/po/8/3fU5f/dTvjtNsVMw92iT1KEsAQ7JWoa1 kaRK88CwzwjZXaY1L8Lxuqj2VqrY0xwn+g49+y7c= Received: from CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cascade.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.248]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA73aTYo029935 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 22:36:29 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.248]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 22:36:29 -0500 From: Roman Danyliw To: "saag@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: SECDISPATCH WG Summary from IETF 103 Thread-Index: AdR2SxGlDV0BbdpwS2+mTmxXuy4dpA== Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:36:29 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0181A49669@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] SECDISPATCH WG Summary from IETF 103 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:36:41 -0000 The SECDISPATCH WG met on Tuesday afternoon. The agenda items were dispatc= hed as follows:=0A= =0A= (1) draft-belyavskiy-certificate-limitation-policy-06 -- clarify use case a= nd motivation=0A= =0A= (2) draft-vangeest-x509-hash-sigs-01 -- re-charter LAMPS WG to accept this = draft=0A= =0A= (3) draft-vcgtf-crypto-assets-security-considerations-02 -- build a communi= ty of interest by requesting an IETF mailing list =0A= =0A= (4) draft-aura-eap-noob-04 -- bring to EMU (realizing that EMU is not curre= ntly chartered for this work)=0A= =0A= (5) draft-fiebig-acme-esecacme-00 -- AD-sponsored (after an update)= From nobody Tue Nov 6 21:55:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D990312D4EA; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PuAiqnzIthX0; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.nict.go.jp (ns1.nict.go.jp [IPv6:2001:df0:232:300::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97463127333; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw1.nict.go.jp (gw1.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.250]) by ns1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id wA75tf9A052213; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 14:55:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail2.nict.go.jp (mail2.nict.go.jp [133.243.18.15]) by gw1.nict.go.jp with ESMTP id wA75tenC052168; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 14:55:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from LAPTOP9DLCDU5S (ssh1.nict.go.jp [133.243.3.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.nict.go.jp (NICT Mail Spool Server2) with ESMTPSA id 9CD4B137C3; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 14:55:40 +0900 (JST) From: "Takeshi Takahashi" To: Cc: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 14:55:40 +0900 Message-ID: <010701d4765e$84373140$8ca593c0$@nict.go.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdR2XlrhDdV1lT24SOWRZS1XYzLkzg== Content-Language: ja X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.1 at zenith1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: [saag] MILE report X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 05:55:45 -0000 MILE met at IETF103 at 16:10 on Monday. There were about 10-15 attendees in the room. We have discussed the progress of our WG drafts. - Xmpp-grid [1] was already sent to IESG. - Final reviews for JSON IODEF [2] were requested before initiating its WGLC. - The ROLIE csirt draft [3] will be discussed on the mailing list. We have also discussed the errata of RFC7970 and the current implementation status of JSON IODEF <--> XML IODEF converter. >From the standpoint of our milestone, our work is on track. 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Since Montreal we have 2 RFCs published - RFC 8460 "SMTP TLS Reporting" and RFC 8461 "SMTP MTA Strict Transport Security (MTA-STS)". We currently have the only WG item left - draft-ietf-uta-smtp-require-tls "SMTP Require TLS Option", which has just passed WGLC and will soon be sent to IESG. We also have two drafts that are not WG documents yet, but are in scope of this WG and can be adopted later (both about using (D)TLS 1.3 in constrained devices). Leif & Valery. 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CURDLE did not meet this week.

All documents have been sent to the IESG.=

 

Yours,

Rich and Daniel

--_000_DM3PR15MB1002585D150BABBBB2584A23E3C40DM3PR15MB1002namp_-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 03:15:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AC4128A5C for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:15:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.421 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.421 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wGDZ9gD06u2l for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.kivinen.iki.fi (fireball.acr.fi [83.145.195.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D378128CF2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fireball.acr.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kivinen.iki.fi (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wA7BFDo8006642 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 13:15:13 +0200 (EET) Received: (from kivinen@localhost) by fireball.acr.fi (8.15.2/8.14.8/Submit) id wA7BFD91010537; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 13:15:13 +0200 (EET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23522.51521.801631.5526@fireball.acr.fi> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 13:15:13 +0200 From: Tero Kivinen To: saag@ietf.org X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 25.1.1 (x86_64--netbsd) X-Edit-Time: 2 min X-Total-Time: 1 min Archived-At: Subject: [saag] IPsecME report X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:15:23 -0000 IPsecME met at 13:50 on Wednesday. Here is the summary of the IPsecME WG, and this has also been submitted as status update in datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/ipsecme/about/status/): ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EdDSA is now published as RFC8420. Split DNS is in telechat, and Implicit IV, Quantum resistance are past WGLC, and should be ready to submitted to the IESG. Rechartering was done. IPv6 and IPv4 notification codes was adopted as WG document, and IKE_AUX draft should be ready for WG Adoptation call. IPsec Compression mode for ESP is being worked on. -- kivinen@iki.fi From nobody Wed Nov 7 03:19:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3A5129619 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:19:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hSJz-imMLudV for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E9B2128CF2 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com with SMTP id d18-v6so6674778yba.4 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:19:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QMnL5w+VQ1/3VY8FGYmHozOzaj5hJIwowHN4QyS9nvI=; b=M1TpeCfgJ4ov0345Nw2MekRgHkmtsYxtYasUX6ILrlNHjaTJLQ7laUIg9LGVISaLFF tJw3yVKMEZODGBrH6W0fZoaXAhQDWzW6EDgwQ87oVyHtJq3+nVe8kJYJiGed6oEzoYIF m2DnM9l8MRVCyGEGmPhZE5evjdcTS104s+wtA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=QMnL5w+VQ1/3VY8FGYmHozOzaj5hJIwowHN4QyS9nvI=; b=XW0EbDjQmCu+HQmeCHXSSLGl4ZN1I8TBxGTJj2s330lypJp05oXjea0zqGSq1IhzxF +Vs+bpwBKg1+s5JR5PZaxWC/9mf/kcfNmh6WnhJhFaOm3zO4GWIduVgijYJ9tQaTSht6 f9U6HyNhpQ3kwB9bjvGxZprLKtblmGc/V6aMmaxtZ7ffLtETWlP7kIzG2gRDZ8+YQBZq 9Swjs/7NRxDjr4uB3H7Iu3fHphvd66G3FiZ8tESVGoKmesPUsZMnYWQ/Vkds5qZN9D9j wayGwFDPCvHeArNW0WgEZhpUAud2++RRlb2EWsQ0Lcg/YssJhI1tsRy9VMXD+NiIO8aA JstQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKp50Qp/nSUzSl5GQFGvzKF5zoZCf3lAVo0Mc2yDU07I6PVOLf1 0kGxRkafajoyP3cNFnv1DovqYhRY9pkCkTKjqogvWpe0DfqGVA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dSkk6H8nyXVdSWvuU+t11ObdoBr6uD45RNP9lyEDjoiUo2VuNHyYGB/GrLTF6E9WTaZuvuORzsoyeMsHMuyt4= X-Received: by 2002:a25:38d:: with SMTP id 135-v6mr1026445ybd.226.1541589591030; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 03:19:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kyle Rose Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 18:19:39 +0700 Message-ID: To: saag@ietf.org, tcpinc-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f69687057a114b93" Archived-At: Subject: [saag] TCPINC report X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:19:54 -0000 --000000000000f69687057a114b93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" TCPINC did not meet at IETF 103. Of the two main drafts, TCP-ENO has been approved for publication and is pending a writeup (presumably waiting on approval of the other draft). Tcpcrypt has an open discuss point with the security AD that will hopefully be resolved soon. The remaining milestone is to complete and request publication of an informational abstract API draft. --000000000000f69687057a114b93 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TCPINC did not meet at IETF 103.

Of the two main drafts, TCP-ENO has been approved for publication and is pending a writeup (presumably wai= ting on approval of the other draft). Tcpcrypt=20 has an open discuss point with the security AD that will hopefully be resol= ved soon. The=20 remaining milestone is to complete and request publication of an=20 informational abstract API draft.

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([2001:67c:1232:144:dcde:5387:d47f:185d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u9-v6sm895526pfm.175.2018.11.07.07.17.27 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Nov 2018 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: Yoav Nir Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.1 \(3445.101.1\)) Message-Id: <4AFE3910-EB6C-4113-9A81-1D505B9F1AB2@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:17:25 +0700 To: Security Area Advisory Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.101.1) Archived-At: Subject: [saag] I2NSF Report X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 15:17:31 -0000 Hi The I2NSF working group met on Wednesday at 15:40.=20 Much of the time was spent discussing the ever-contentious =E2=80=9CCase = #2=E2=80=9D from the sdn-ipsec draft. Unfortunately there has been no = conclusion yet. Indeed, we could have spent another hour on this. Our = next steps are to schedule a virtual interim meeting to discuss this = issue alone. Another task is to recruit a reviewer to help with pruning = the YANG model in the draft of various obsolete crypto and protocol = variations (DES, BEET, KINK). We have also reviewed progress on our current drafts and some of them = may be ready for WGLC soon. Linda & Yoav From nobody Wed Nov 7 17:51:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2C9130DE9 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a_L88F-UtgIP for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from taper.sei.cmu.edu (taper.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4082130DD8 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from delp.sei.cmu.edu (delp.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.31]) by taper.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA81pDlS024914 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:51:13 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 taper.sei.cmu.edu wA81pDlS024914 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1541641873; bh=Pxy/ao8hvFOlYEObmQCGmXn/C4Qxb+xa+lU6vs92RRc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=CSk0x5/p399zP4VMdjdPmxUbP0jBL+ZA+/6YsoOcCahNmfCKWUwUjMwrCFj2DfSk4 LYw4s1VfAof6LnTE7/vBhvceN5LqpEBiLrJVUw82ouQNbdvzVBphx42gSNnVqksAVV 41EM4FG0tt8rnEufxeks/X6C/mp8vOmFQotU0F5w= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by delp.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA81pAse040920 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:51:10 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:51:09 -0500 From: Roman Danyliw To: "saag@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RATS BoF Report from IETF 103 Thread-Index: AdR3BYTPGom7QoRiRImdhk0OS/NDpA== Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:51:08 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0181A4AD1B@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] RATS BoF Report from IETF 103 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 01:51:17 -0000 The Remote Attestation Procedures (RATS) BoF was held on Tuesday [1]. This= BoF proposed work to standardize formats for describing assertions/claims = about system components and associated evidence of their validity via roots= of trust; and procedures and protocols to convey and appraise these assert= ions/claims by the relying parties.=0A= =0A= The BoF was well attended and facilitated robust discussion. This discussio= n focused on the problem definition and refining what parts of this problem= would need standardization. Further feedback is welcome on the RATS maili= ng list [2]. Additionally, a draft charter for this work is available for = review [3].=0A= =0A= [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/agenda-103-rats/=0A= [2] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats=0A= [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-rats-draf= t-charter-00= From nobody Wed Nov 7 19:12:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB54130E23 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:12:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=sunet-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uoDD3mn69vX4 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x52b.google.com (mail-pg1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AD0F130DD3 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id 80so265958pge.4 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:12:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sunet-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=to:from:openpgp:autocrypt:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wb7DEnyP7zz9qEmlyf5+EE3kwkDroRu/v6P3faN0PXA=; b=meZDgtNTP1O4h4ETfEvZBGhuNiSa9UNSN2ZaibMhNDtHtRfEn8Vte4Fs3ooNlCm37q +4y+coSxfnGFUb4rUqSOOB1Q/eVgpMkAucWVtis8WX5qvUKBgSy3HrBXz2CTrbe9U8fx 2n0U3Y2CWaJcmW3hl/qMHEQsxP/ePj3UIFMzc4gRsBsAMK33uWadBzTkO8AaxH0qWpL3 bzGLUXrQvOuXOuXNflXE+mtglv897Jarpp0mT5fqDxxAWfwZc70cBbmyg8NRqzEcbdDp KJ5u5keLUtq6QZVHJj+OEUOnjVtjSSol47hbcQphnvtL1+cLpa0DxJnJ7Yb2GstHj5wL 80RA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:openpgp:autocrypt:subject:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wb7DEnyP7zz9qEmlyf5+EE3kwkDroRu/v6P3faN0PXA=; b=ETpBOV4JxLEdpl0F01JIHSAUtf6W3yavC+AjL/mxJGkXHsnvEsOJVJScWcba4aNX7P vS6j8HdyzB9AECHEAtkfWCuhOEBaD+Gud2jYb7zSg7DxGp5VoBw2FVHbtvAXEc/WkAdB gyyrObLBdAF5G3bjniy374grg+q+Sx0ZKzpVtJuPK4xljMR0xXNUcU+hG31TZPXsJPKN FBWbvXt0rMncvoixlOH6vp1nxGjIRDfp8YHwTAfVbs+0SLE3YfjQprLp/sO3I4OAvwmU LrF573jx2Y7o/RGkomJsFRDMj0zttmPdT7g+dCmP1u6v0E01P0xkGf3mjFh4jd7frDro jV1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gIyaTAiXTRhGJ4lhrzHVjSfWQNGaxBDLUy6Rw5HWHu4DLIL+AdN j77MzwjxtZX/FVh+kEjVB0AgmVUUkHcJkQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fGARKRwHMDeKvOPzMSCHG/8VIKsmRDgGAYeoncXj2A4IbVnAzmOgYWEdnksLEb/jqVcNjtaw== X-Received: by 2002:a62:5793:: with SMTP id i19-v6mr3001686pfj.158.1541646734949; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:12:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:f56e:6f94:e9ae:746f? 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The core documents for the WG are published as RFC8471, RFC8472 and RFC8473. The WG has passed WGLC for the token binding using transparent proxies draft and has issued a WGLC for the tokenbinding in TLS1.3 draft. The only remaining work is the expired draft on token binding for 0RTT connections in TLS1.3. Here the WG has so far been unable to find a viable solution for the security issues raised by using 0RTT for token binding. 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Wed, 07 Nov 2018 19:20:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Christopher Wood Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 10:19:52 +0700 Message-ID: To: saag@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [saag] TLS Report from IETF 103 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 03:20:08 -0000 The WG discussed remaining outstanding issues for draft-ietf-tls-dtls13-29. Version -30 was posted and will enter WGLC shortly. draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id and draft-ietf-tls-exported-authenticator are now in WGLC. With some minors tweaks draft-ietf-tls-grease will also be ready for WGLC. draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate, which was adopted since IETF102, will be revised to indicate which RFCs normatively depend on TLS 1.0 and 1.1 and then will likely be ready for WGLC. Changes to draft-ietf-tls-esni (i.e., using ENSI RRType instead of TXT record) and its operational issues (i.e., hardfails and multi-CDNs) were discussed. The draft needs additional reviews from DNS folks. draft-housley-tls-tls13-cert-with-extern-psk was scoped down to be for external PSKs for initial handshakes. The sense of the room was to adopt the draft as a WG Item. This will be confirmed on list. draft-tls-certieee1609 will be used as the basis for a TLS Certificate Type code point request. The WG will not consider it for adoption. draft-wood-tls-external-psk-importer was discussed as a way forward for external PSKs with TLS 1.3. More discussion and comparison to draft-davidben-tls-universal-psk is needed. Updates to draft-wood-tls-ticketrequests were discussed. The WG considers it a potential WG item. This will be confirmed on list. The WG had a lengthy discussion about draft-ietf-tls-dnssec-chain-extension and there was WG consensus to drop the draft as a WG item. 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Publication of draft-ietf-kitten-pkinit-alg-agility is requested, with Greg Hudson is taking over editing from Ben Kaduk. -- - Kitten Chairs Roland / Robbie/ Matthew From nobody Wed Nov 7 20:44:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE44130DFF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:44:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ijUSY_K2FWEj for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A5221276D0 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from delp.sei.cmu.edu (delp.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.31]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA84iBnB007492 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:44:11 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu wA84iBnB007492 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1541652251; bh=rgTU+wWkfbqMCeRydFu2MNcpgvuInf3qbFC+urRoDz0=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=DPJ5LwYz5j6cEL02W3Q/2g7BRTiVQy5jdzsiwPhYn0HtPe6zG8xNzWGowMXU29Zzn wpXQg5PW0ezcS2jZ/lOuMGu25Vri0fyp3yIjmUYkkShoec3gQdYe9G1svvrv5OgHKN 3WmKK3S2kstRk2qj7nFa5x5BrgClhoy+xb6y3QDs= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by delp.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA84i9oQ031255 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:44:09 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:44:09 -0500 From: Roman Danyliw To: "saag@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: DOTS WG Summary from IETF 103 Thread-Index: AdR3Ha+jtsQutNnCTeO+v7aJ/5ZWtQ== Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 04:44:08 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0181A4AEDF@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] DOTS WG Summary from IETF 103 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 04:44:18 -0000 The DOTS WG met on Thursday morning.=0A= =0A= The WG heard the results of the fourth interoperability test conducted at t= he Hackathon. With many of the currently chartered milestones in WGLC [4][= 5] or submitted for publication [1][2][3], new work was introduced. Two ne= w use cases [6][7] proposed extensions to the signal channel; and a standar= dized server discovery mechanism [8] and implementation guidance in multi-h= omed environments [9] were proposed.=0A= =0A= [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-requirements/=0A= [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/=0A= [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel/=0A= [4] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/=0A= [5] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-architecture/=0A= [6] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-dots-home-network/=0A= [7] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expans= ion/=0A= [8] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery= =0A= [9] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming= From nobody Wed Nov 7 20:49:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FDC130DFF for ; 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Hannes will talk about some work on IoT benchmarking, and we'll have a "requests for assistance" section leading in to the open mic, for people who want to call upon our expertise to make their requests. -Ben From nobody Wed Nov 7 20:52:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8E7130DFF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 20:52:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PWIITc3qeJDO for ; 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Thu, 8 Nov 2018 05:52:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B174D4A2C9E; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:52:25 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bofh.nohats.ca B174D4A2C9E Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A902841C3B26 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:52:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:52:25 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Wouters To: saag@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [saag] trans report X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 04:52:33 -0000 We did not meet in ietf103. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis-30 The 6963bis document was updated and we believe it is done. We are waiting on the completion of the AD review. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-trans-threat-analysis-16 The threat document was updated in October, but it is unclear whether it resolves the comments provided. Other related documents have seen no updates (eg gossip, dnssec trans) We are still planning to shut down when the bis document is published. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We had two productive sessions in OAuth. The key highlights are: - The group ran into problems with the work on token binding since browser = support is not looking good. Additionally, we couldn't find out how to secu= re the implicit flow using token binding. It appears like OAuth Mutual TLS = (MTLS) is the way to go forward. - The OAuth security recommendations described in draft-ietf-oauth-securti= ty-topics now states that the implicit flow is not a viable choice due to t= he security challenges it poses. The recommendation is to use the authoriza= tion code grant. - Several working group documents got discussed and advanced without any p= roblems. These include PoP key distribution, resource indicators, OAuth MTL= S, Distributed OAuth, Reciprocal OAuth - We saw proposals for new work: Torsten presented a proposal for 'JWT Sec= ured Authorization Response Mode' and promised to submit a draft to the gr= oup. Aaron proposed a new draft describing recommendations for 'OAuth 2.0 f= or Browser-Based Apps' (draft-parecki-oauth-browser-based-apps-00). Omer pr= esented the 'Seamless OAuth 2.0 Client Assertion Grant' draft (draft-hevron= i-oauth-seamless-flow-00) and he is looking for review comments. IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_VI1PR0801MB21124837FE4929EF5CD79AA4FAC50VI1PR0801MB2112_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We had two productive sessions in OAuth. The key hig= hlights are:

 

- The group ran into problems with the work on token= binding since browser support is not looking good. Additionally, we couldn= 't find out how to secure the implicit flow using token binding. It appears= like OAuth Mutual TLS (MTLS) is the way to go forward.

 

 - The OAuth security recommendations described= in draft-ietf-oauth-securtity-topics now states that the implicit flow is = not a viable choice due to the security challenges it poses. The recommenda= tion is to use the authorization code grant.

 

 - Several working group documents got discusse= d and advanced without any problems. These include PoP key distribution, re= source indicators, OAuth MTLS, Distributed OAuth, Reciprocal OAuth

 - We saw proposals for new work: Torsten prese= nted a proposal for 'JWT Secured Authorization Response Mode' and promised = to submit a draft  to the group. Aaron proposed a new draft describing= recommendations for 'OAuth 2.0 for Browser-Based Apps' (draft-parecki-oauth-browser-based-apps-00). Omer presented the 'Sea= mless OAuth 2.0 Client Assertion Grant' draft (draft-hevroni-oauth-seamless= -flow-00) and he is looking for review comments.

 

 

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Thank you. --_000_VI1PR0801MB21124837FE4929EF5CD79AA4FAC50VI1PR0801MB2112_-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 21:12:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B00126CB6 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:12:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=isode.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PYVXwa310fKj for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from waldorf.isode.com (waldorf.isode.com [62.232.206.188]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD76130F50 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:12:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1541653957; d=isode.com; s=june2016; i=@isode.com; bh=vbv3S9V0uVM+I3CFxKD+8xaDo+hUePpgFoE3L9bE4fQ=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=F6597tta37JVubDoHfIoUXyOOb9cN7lHSHY4KvOSJCCbtoI6p4bHXU5o2IIY5yFLiL7zu9 iT4tvwDvespd71XPVQQT+cy1VYUo+UuyzBxznNJM8K6UCBSk/twHgC+3mKSK3BtackdQMS p6tX+K97xv6f7hk9WbNwYw/YiD2Mrfk=; Received: from [31.133.128.237] (dhcp-80ed.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.128.237]) by waldorf.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 05:12:36 +0000 To: "saag@ietf.org" From: Alexey Melnikov Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 12:12:34 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [saag] CFRG summary from IETF 103 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:12:45 -0000 CFRG met for 1 hour on Monday. CFRG has completed several work items (2 are in IRSG review, 2 waiting for editors to update their documents). Chairs announced that we will be looking to open discussion on PAKE selection (ideally to recommend one). There were 3 presentations: updates on 2 WG documents (Randomness Improvements for Security Protocols,draft-irtf-cfrg-randomness-improvements, and Hashing to Elliptic Curves, draft-irtf-cfrg-hash-to-curve), as well as a presentation on a potential new work item (Verifiable Oblivious Pseudorandom Functions (VOPRFs) in Prime-Order Groups, draft-sullivan-cfrg-voprf). Chairs will followup with editors of VOPRF on the next step. 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boundary="_000_CY4PR21MB0168C47A8028E4B35F385C10A3C50CY4PR21MB0168namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e608d8e2-388d-404b-956e-08d64545eabd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Nov 2018 06:46:31.1776 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY4PR21MB0277 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] SUIT report X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 06:46:36 -0000 --_000_CY4PR21MB0168C47A8028E4B35F385C10A3C50CY4PR21MB0168namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SUIT session at IEFT 103 1) ITU-T SG17 sent a liaison statement to the WG that was discussed, an= d the WG agreed to add an informational reference to the SG17 doc, and keep= terminology aligned between SUIT and SG17. 2) SUIT participants gave a report from Hackathon and their implementat= ion experience and learnings 3) The architecture and information model document still need updates 4) Most of the session was about manifest formats, and whether the WG s= hould adopt 1 or 2. (The charter allows the WG to decide.) a. Two formats were presented and discussed, one CBOR-based and one fl= at binary structure based. b. The chairs took a hum at the end for 1 format, 2 formats, and can't= -tell-yet. 1 had the most hums, but can't tell yet was almost as signific= ant, so chairs will confer. c. The goal is to make sure that the format(s) are widely applicable t= o as many IoT devices and MCUs as possible. Dave --_000_CY4PR21MB0168C47A8028E4B35F385C10A3C50CY4PR21MB0168namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

SUIT session at IEFT 103

 

1)     ITU-T SG17 sent a liaison statement to the WG that = was discussed, and the WG agreed to add an informational reference to the S= G17 doc, and keep terminology aligned between SUIT and SG17.

2)     SUIT participants gave a report from Hackathon and = their implementation experience and learnings

3)     The architecture and information model document sti= ll need updates

4)     Most of the session was about manifest formats, and= whether the WG should adopt 1 or 2.  (The charter allows the WG to de= cide.)

a.      Two formats were presented and discussed, one CBOR-= based and one flat binary structure based.

b.      The chairs took a hum at the end for 1 format, 2 fo= rmats, and can’t-tell-yet.   1 had the most hums, but can&#= 8217;t tell yet was almost as significant, so chairs will confer. &nbs= p;

c.      The goal is to make sure that the format(s) are wid= ely applicable to as many IoT devices and MCUs as possible.

 

Dave

--_000_CY4PR21MB0168C47A8028E4B35F385C10A3C50CY4PR21MB0168namp_-- From nobody Wed Nov 7 22:48:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0D1130DEF for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gf-_9p_gg_PY for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1EB1130DC8 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from delp.sei.cmu.edu (delp.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.31]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA86lxWi023140 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:47:59 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu wA86lxWi023140 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1541659679; bh=3fta3lAl+8CzD1GyBMv6Nj2CkcDY7f3Og4KeR8NKeAM=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=eArtI3YZwTs4H3eh90NlCzmIY4oxlIzYY+RcvQQdwZvQKF9iO1UfHZHvWnIyXWySp uvRrlsTCdLATKSm+hzzIufiHxx/hEfevU7l9ZjjI6GlhqqcewC/S4Fsk4yCaJL64m7 3/jlquRT1kShGHOLbcNzmzhk4groMmrm7/GQvm2E= Received: from CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cascade.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.248]) by delp.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA86lwiY010041 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:47:58 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.248]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:47:57 -0500 From: Chris Inacio To: "saag@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: SACM is meeting in the last slot Thread-Index: AdR3LsKwoxaEMNaTRC2cHzaI1pMpXQ== Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:47:57 +0000 Message-ID: <4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D8174016E2696F4@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D8174016E2696F4marathon_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] SACM is meeting in the last slot X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 06:48:03 -0000 --_000_4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D8174016E2696F4marathon_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Along with ACE and ACME, the security area is special enough to get the las= t slot. --_000_4AE532C8B0B4B548AF47570D250D8174016E2696F4marathon_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Along with ACE and ACME, the security area is specia= l enough to get the last slot.

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Here is the summary of the two MLS sessions, and this has also been submitted as status in datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/mls/about/status/edit/): On Monday we discussed several of the current drafts and made some progress in understanding the design options and moving the documents forward. The architecture document was presented by Emad Omara, which was mostly uncontroversial. The protocol document took most of the time at this meeting. The big problem of group members having access to the keys of multiple group members (the double-join problem) was discussed at length. Most of the issues were around efficiency and making sure that any double-join protection mechanism continues to be logarithmic instead of devolving into linear time. New ideas were introduced around group initialization and giving a special exception to the group initializer = =E2=80=94 which was a promising idea. Nadim Kobeissi presented remotely about authentication which illustrated how derived signature keys could = improve the situation where authentication keys are compromised. =20 On Thursday we reviewed the message protection draft, recapping the work that was presented at the interim about message protection. This led to a vigorous debate about forward secrecy. We also discussed a potential interim in January in San Jose, CA in order to take advantage of the presence of Real World Crypto. N&S= From nobody Wed Nov 7 22:50:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E498B130E5C for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Kd2A6p7S594 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4522130E34 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA86oRj5023531 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:50:27 -0500 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu wA86oRj5023531 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1541659827; bh=rgKYa2e3busyjWj61uElNSYyQeC0JlPmEdFu7eqWds8=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=XSP2aPdeojK+cBS7lhRLjIIU5Vq+ipFVlqocKT4UKybTBpgxogAuvKkbAE7dE+3lT y95+77mliMrum2IrA70ctkut2LyEf1+VFHTyKQXCthW2RgLZQOqnbV7e/c87QyVSIC l5fSSshQbvm/Tx72G6yQOElCcKmPvvY0QgM3F7ds= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id wA86oQb3022721 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:50:26 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:50:25 -0500 From: Roman Danyliw To: "saag@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: ACE IETF 103 Summary Thread-Index: AdR3L1NTCQpFw2rDR2ewOjR5NQC/2w== Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:50:24 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0181A4AF81@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] ACE IETF 103 Summary X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 06:50:30 -0000 ACE is scheduled to me on Thursday afternoon.=0A= =0A= The WG plans to resolve remaining WGLC issues on [1][2][3][4][5]. Addition= ally, we plan to discuss adoptions of [6][7][8][9].=0A= =0A= [1] draft-ietf-ace-oscore-profile=0A= [2] draft-ietf-ace-authz=0A= [3] draft-ietf-dtl-authorize=0A= [4] draft-ietf-ace-oauth-params=0A= [5] draft-ietf-ace-cwt-proof-of-possession=0A= [6] draft-palombini-ace-key-groupcomm=0A= [7] draft-palombini-ace-coap-pubsub-profile=0A= [8] draft-tiloca-ace-oscoap-joining=0A= [9] draft-selander-ace-cose-ecdhe=0A= =0A= From nobody Wed Nov 7 22:59:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446FB130EC1 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:57:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="_000_EC06ACEABF694EBB8FE4C07858DDAAD7isocorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 162d1aa6-7d53-4146-3982-08d64547754c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Nov 2018 06:57:33.1817 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 89f84dfb-7285-4810-bc4d-8b9b5794554f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL0PR06MB4851 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] Fwd: WGLC: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 06:57:41 -0000 --_000_EC06ACEABF694EBB8FE4C07858DDAAD7isocorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SAAG folks, We could really use security review of this document. Thanks, Karen Begin forwarded message: From: Karen O'Donoghue > Subject: WGLC: draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp Date: November 7, 2018 at 3:46:11 AM GMT+7 To: ntp@ietf.org Folks, This message initiates a three plus week working group last call for: Network Time Security for the Network Time Protocol https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-for-ntp/ Please review the referenced document and send any comments to the mailing = list including your assessment of whether this document is mature enough to= proceed to the IESG. Please note that these messages of support for progre= ssion to the mailing list will be used to determine WG consensus to proceed= . Please send all comments in by COB on Friday 30 November. We realize this i= s a bit longer than normal but we are coming out of an IETF week and headin= g into the Thanksgiving holiday in the US. Thanks! Karen and Dieter --_000_EC06ACEABF694EBB8FE4C07858DDAAD7isocorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <872E990E0D7C9F42A05B720B413BF1BD@namprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SAAG folks,

We could really use security review of this document.

Thanks,
Karen

Begin forwarded message:

From: Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org>
Subject: WGLC: draft-ietf-ntp-usin= g-nts-for-ntp
Date: November 7, 2018 at 3:46:11 AM GMT+= 7
To: ntp@ietf.org

Folks,

This message initiates a three plus week working group last call for:

Network Time Security for the Network Time Protocol
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ntp-using-nts-fo= r-ntp/

Please review the referenced document and send any comments to the mailing = list including your assessment of whether this document is mature enough to= proceed to the IESG. Please note that these messages of support for progre= ssion to the mailing list will be used to determine WG consensus to proceed.

Please send all comments in by COB on Friday 30 November. We realize this i= s a bit longer than normal but we are coming out of an IETF week and headin= g into the Thanksgiving holiday in the US.

Thanks!
Karen and Dieter

--_000_EC06ACEABF694EBB8FE4C07858DDAAD7isocorg_-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 00:00:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26021294D0 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 00:00:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRbKbc_YlnSN for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 00:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta8.iomartmail.com (mta8.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.158]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A3AF124408 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 00:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (vs1.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.121]) by mta8.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wA880f4t002161; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 08:00:48 GMT Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D03E22048; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 08:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.224]) by vs1.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6824722046; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 08:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-984f.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.152.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wA880iIa030704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2018 08:00:46 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 08:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <02d201d47739$26c876a0$745963e0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdR3OSEsuXt4aobbRw6Lj32l7aHoVw== Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 31.133.152.79 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-24210.005 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.074-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.074-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-24210.005 X-TMASE-Result: 10--2.074400-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: x9Ar+gsCAuQQy1KBCEF9OwPZZctd3P4BGWAN/II9wcTKrGbGSA7+bdmc QyI4qvkOxo7ed0Rl0pg4/hUyUZGmTn/6KiCesMGhvHKClHGjjr0WCTRk8QJKwWisn1mjz82fSHg UVMoIv2Ft1SHO7pX6M2x9somHykrBAMFp5W5WHQKeAiCmPx4NwLTrdaH1ZWqCdcD5PxhxmQO0TA yiX6xiQg1fA1QHegDv3QfwsVk0UbvqwGfCk7KUsxStdVQJMiRLekc62YTVy+gSAM4Fnq3jfRaxU rqAdxMpzgeJbL7yS6jYROLKg0pAerkNO9/6wFQg6mjKVl+gSa7DiAW6UFfj7gkCnkA3h/n1D701 dfVAizuSL9OvtUca/e6+D482nHhrftwZ3X11IV0= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: [saag] ISE - One other point X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 08:00:53 -0000 Sorry, I fumbled. One other thing... It is my intention that all documents published in the Independent Stream are adequately and explicitly labelled as what they are. For example, "The FooCorp Protocol for Egg Timers" "The Bah Consortium's Agreement for Building Interoperable Chickens" "The BFistaan Government's Profile of the Bikeshed Colour Scheme" This labelling: - SHOULD be in the RFC title - MUST be in the Abstract - MUST be in the Introduction where it SHOULD be expanded upon Please do discuss any of this (or anything else - I can talk about the history of fairy tales for a long time ;-) with me further, but mail me direct as I do not follow this list. You can reach me at adrian@olddog.co.uk or (specifically for ISE activity) at rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org Thanks, Adrian From nobody Thu Nov 8 01:26:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58D7130E88 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:26:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.172 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.172 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.47, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.999, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRiItAcPQsCL for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 01:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53BDC130F8E for ; 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Mon, 19 Nov 2018 11:19:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 14:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: To: saag@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dffdfe057b09668f" Archived-At: Subject: [saag] CARIS2 Workshop Call for Papers X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:20:04 -0000 --000000000000dffdfe057b09668f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" We are pleased to announce a call for papers (position paper or research paper) for the Coordinating Attack Response at Internet Scale (CARIS) 2 workshop, sponsored by the Internet Society. The workshop will take place in Cambridge, MA February 28 - March 1, 2019 and we look forward to your participation. Additional information on the workshop can be found at the following link: https://www.internetsociety.org/events/caris2 Paper submissions (minimum of 2 pages) are due 16 December 2018 for consideration to attend the workshop. Papers can be submitted through the following link, which requires creating an account: https://caris19.hotcrp.com/ -- Best regards, Kathleen Moriarty and the workshop program committee --000000000000dffdfe057b09668f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We are pleased to announce a call f= or papers (position paper or research paper) for the Coordinating Attack Re= sponse at Internet Scale (CARIS) 2 workshop= , sponsored by the Internet Society.=C2=A0 The workshop will take place in = Cambridge, MA February 28 - March 1, 2019 and we look forward to your parti= cipation.

Additional information on the workshop can be = found at the following link:

Paper submission= s (minimum of 2 pages) are due 16 December 2018 for consideration to attend= the workshop.=C2=A0 Papers can be submitted through the following link, wh= ich requires creating an account:=C2=A0https://caris19.hotcrp.com/

-= -=C2=A0

=
Best regards,
Kathleen Moriarty and the workshop program com= mittee=C2=A0
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The IESG has been asked to do a conflict review for t= his document.

My perspective is that this is valua= ble and there is no conflict with IETF work, other than that it supports ou= r work. So I believe the correct response is:

The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in = LAMPS [and others people suggest?] but this relationship does not prevent p= ublishing.

If you have comments on this or thi=
nk this is wrong, please let me know by next Wednesday,

-Ekr

--000000000000d9731e057be80b1b-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 13:01:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320B7130E8F for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.357 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.357 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78tE2GuvtGQc for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5F5C131007 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id 83-v6so6166824ljf.10 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SMb2DpQqRCmwH1LA49xsKC1rJxxEb3yLxBMjWH0/WGc=; b=cu3PmUxxypV7ZZ9sUntc5bGI1472GGLqnaKWcerqTXOpvgiGsomtw3Y1KZeZQ4O5gu yw/Kn1oypss5vqrlVVVq4gSQZNdK0lecBheo7VFyd/0l2cV/ryfuSeoJBDFqR5huMGJK HFqPU/O2ffB6PawWl3dlqhlZNOFeovAR/GBnZmY33Imvqh0EWFGnw034X4iaTS3LxBd1 Oz8dDN5lcdEBKnA82kVaY5MC2p1ztUreWKX9a1vkM+gJOwjJf7E/BQ8UYrN14MkxvVcx UGH1HAOAUXEuHLUPYAnHeVaeENRJMVwbhTLiQhqT2UW+Zz3rkiYN5wJiOsaQ9DjtwpJp xA0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SMb2DpQqRCmwH1LA49xsKC1rJxxEb3yLxBMjWH0/WGc=; b=TW56aZiVV/oIRwrePYXJGk1bkknytS/5o/3Db8u6O3BakOCNkuH+A5DAgQe5kJd5ZC zmqJPkCxmwIxyAvIzZGNbBT1aLMMqt/qmvgS4vPH61f4pIu1BLfh3OYPT7iiwkzr6gD4 gCx56XAdcOqRFnRiQ/nI8aAB8exqv7Kqdnbo3QAKqM4Dy2TbH/0hgP/l8PTsjmYDJwV9 d/kDiDh5RGTqXoQwzYWdPmFow2YesxdjKutRrCHLnjRnM0OxHR9x9mPXgetYw2P7iOQM ka78CjlvkKixHKA06tXdVR47CSOVrEvf6PXLVjJjdWoCiQRrOtrDxMgPeHmy3l5tSN7n xciA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbTBiuxN49bcRYvuAFfD3nTxzxKhYjXT+hTfl6O7pVXMuTVXESe 0XClL7zDM1q19pEvKke1yo8s+FYAGPxmeo4LV9914Q5+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/VvuzMLR6dqT7Dp9NHvkoWqGe3uc82ap3DKumXupnd5Wmf9GXDxFhCi3lYvdMSmtsOfVU5RB+s1bOl7T3dgHBE= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:6503:: with SMTP id z3-v6mr4655862ljb.153.1543611650711; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Eric Rescorla Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:00:13 -0800 Message-ID: To: saag@ietf.org, SPASM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001cbb58057be81857" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] Conflict review for draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs-13 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 21:00:55 -0000 --0000000000001cbb58057be81857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" And now with the right address On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM Eric Rescorla wrote: > The IESG has been asked to do a conflict review for this document. > > My perspective is that this is valuable and there is no conflict with IETF > work, other than that it supports our work. So I believe the correct > response is: > > The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in LAMPS [and others people suggest?] but this relationship does not prevent publishing. > > If you have comments on this or think this is wrong, please let me know by next Wednesday, > > -Ekr > > --0000000000001cbb58057be81857 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And now with the right address

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM Eric Rescorl= a <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
=
The IESG has been aske= d to do a conflict review for this document.

My pe= rspective is that this is valuable and there is no conflict with IETF work,= other than that it supports our work. So I believe the correct response is= :

The IESG has concl=
uded that this work is related to IETF work done in LAMPS [and others peopl=
e suggest?] but this relationship does not prevent publishing.

If you have comments on this or think=
 this is wrong, please let me know by next Wednesday,

<= pre class=3D"m_-596800146238016068gmail-newpage">-Ekr

--0000000000001cbb58057be81857-- From nobody Fri Nov 30 13:11:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687AF131023 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:11:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bm42l49GveUS for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04F96130EE1 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34B6300AA4 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:11:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id hQVCCx5tda_7 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.161] (pool-71-178-45-35.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.178.45.35]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F1A43005B6; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:11:21 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_03432AC5-A127-4C59-82DF-1048364FBCCE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:11:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: lamps@ietf.org, IETF SAAG To: Eric Rescorla References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] Conflict review for draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs-13 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 21:11:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_03432AC5-A127-4C59-82DF-1048364FBCCE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with that assessment. Russ > On Nov 30, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: >=20 > The IESG has been asked to do a conflict review for this document. >=20 > My perspective is that this is valuable and there is no conflict with = IETF work, other than that it supports our work. So I believe the = correct response is: >=20 > The IESG has concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in = LAMPS [and others people suggest?] but this relationship does not = prevent publishing. >=20 > If you have comments on this or think this is wrong, please let me = know by next Wednesday, >=20 > -Ekr --Apple-Mail=_03432AC5-A127-4C59-82DF-1048364FBCCE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = agree with that assessment.

Russ


On Nov = 30, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

The IESG has been asked to do a conflict = review for this document.

My perspective is that this is valuable and there is no = conflict with IETF work, other than that it supports our work. So I = believe the correct response is:

The IESG has =
concluded that this work is related to IETF work done in LAMPS [and =
others people suggest?] but this relationship does not prevent =
publishing.

If you have =
comments on this or think this is wrong, please let me know by next =
Wednesday,

-Ekr

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