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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sctrq4cSXNOULaNqWVZKYIUPqnJE5BxWP" Archived-At: Subject: [saag] list for chatting about threat models X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 13:24:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sctrq4cSXNOULaNqWVZKYIUPqnJE5BxWP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="wOXLIdz90jlNhWkhQDMNQCMc1HIdDvnbC"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: "saag@ietf.org" Message-ID: Subject: list for chatting about threat models --wOXLIdz90jlNhWkhQDMNQCMc1HIdDvnbC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E876E91E1D2703091FEC6195" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E876E91E1D2703091FEC6195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, As per the discussion at saag in Montreal, we've setup a list [1] for discussion of threat models. That's an open-subscribe/open-archive IAB list. The list description is: "The model-t list is for discussions of changes in Internet deployment patterns and their impact on the Internet threat model, and to develop advice for designing, implementing and deploying Internet protocols in ways that account for these changes. Output may eventually be contributed to the IETF consensus process if the IETF believes an update to BCP 72/RFC 3552 is warranted and thus ought be consistent with related IETF consensus positions, such as BCP 188 and BCP 200." I guess it'd be best to give interested folks a few days to join the list - once there's what looks like enough of those subscribed, I'll send an "off we go" mail, so if people can hold off posting 'till then that'd be great. Cheers, S. 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tried and got your email address is insecure message. I did not know that ieee.org emails were insecure? Regards, Behcet On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:25 AM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > As per the discussion at saag in Montreal, we've > setup a list [1] for discussion of threat models. > That's an open-subscribe/open-archive IAB list. > > The list description is: > > "The model-t list is for discussions of changes in > Internet deployment patterns and their impact on > the Internet threat model, and to develop advice > for designing, implementing and deploying Internet > protocols in ways that account for these changes. > Output may eventually be contributed to the IETF > consensus process if the IETF believes an update > to BCP 72/RFC 3552 is warranted and thus ought be > consistent with related IETF consensus positions, > such as BCP 188 and BCP 200." > > I guess it'd be best to give interested folks a > few days to join the list - once there's what > looks like enough of those subscribed, I'll send > an "off we go" mail, so if people can hold off > posting 'till then that'd be great. > > Cheers, > S. > > [1] https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/model-t > > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag > --000000000000317bae058f0ee349 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tried and got
your email address is insecure
message.
I did not know that ieee.= org emails were insecure?

Regards,
B= ehcet

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:25 AM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:

Hiya,

As per the discussion at saag in Montreal, we've
setup a list [1] for discussion of threat models.
That's an open-subscribe/open-archive IAB list.

The list description is:

"The model-t list is for discussions of changes in
Internet deployment patterns and their impact on
the Internet threat model, and to develop advice
for designing, implementing and deploying Internet
protocols in ways that account for these changes.
Output may eventually be contributed to the IETF
consensus process if the IETF believes an update
to BCP 72/RFC 3552 is warranted and thus ought be
consistent with related IETF consensus positions,
such as BCP 188 and BCP 200."

I guess it'd be best to give interested folks a
few days to join the list - once there's what
looks like enough of those subscribed, I'll send
an "off we go" mail, so if people can hold off
posting 'till then that'd be great.

Cheers,
S.

[1] https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/model-t

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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ci0RMgEixwfIFd3MQE2BBH78T1MANvkl2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] list for chatting about threat models X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:47:27 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ci0RMgEixwfIFd3MQE2BBH78T1MANvkl2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="miVlwLk2KakcLYb8EKW35H7YtfBurRZow"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: sarikaya@ieee.org Cc: "saag@ietf.org" Message-ID: Subject: Re: [saag] list for chatting about threat models References: In-Reply-To: --miVlwLk2KakcLYb8EKW35H7YtfBurRZow Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C06D7EF234229BB173421602" Content-Language: en-GB This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C06D7EF234229BB173421602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya, On 01/08/2019 15:16, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > I tried and got > your email address is insecure > message. > I did not know that ieee.org emails were insecure? I've no idea tbh:-) But it looks like you're subscribed now. If there's any issue feel free to ping me. Cheers, S. >=20 > Regards, > Behcet >=20 > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:25 AM Stephen Farrell > wrote: >=20 >> >> Hiya, >> >> As per the discussion at saag in Montreal, we've >> setup a list [1] for discussion of threat models. >> That's an open-subscribe/open-archive IAB list. >> >> The list description is: >> >> "The model-t list is for discussions of changes in >> Internet deployment patterns and their impact on >> the Internet threat model, and to develop advice >> for designing, implementing and deploying Internet >> protocols in ways that account for these changes. >> Output may eventually be contributed to the IETF >> consensus process if the IETF believes an update >> to BCP 72/RFC 3552 is warranted and thus ought be >> consistent with related IETF consensus positions, >> such as BCP 188 and BCP 200." >> >> I guess it'd be best to give interested folks a >> few days to join the list - once there's what >> looks like enough of those subscribed, I'll send >> an "off we go" mail, so if people can hold off >> posting 'till then that'd be great. >> >> Cheers, >> S. >> >> [1] https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/model-t >> >> _______________________________________________ >> saag mailing list >> saag@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >> >=20 --------------C06D7EF234229BB173421602 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0x5AB2FAF17B172BEA.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFo9UDIBEADUH4ZPcUnX5WWRWO4kEkHea5Y5eEvZjSwe/YA+G0nrTuOU9nem CP5PMvmh5Cg8gBTyWyN4Z2+O25p9Tja5zUb+vPMWYvOtokRrp46yhFZOmiS5b6kT q0IqYzsEv5HI58S+QtaFq978CRa4xH9Gi9u4yzUmT03QNIGDXE37honcAM4MOEtE gvw4fVhVWJuyy3w//0F2tzKrEMjmL5VGuD/Q9+G/7abuXiYNNd9ZFjv4625AUWwy +pAh4EKzS1FE7BOZp9daMu9MUQmDqtZUbUv0Q+DnQAB/4tNncejJPz0p2z3MWCp5 iSwHiQvytYgatMp34a50l6CWqa13n6vY8VcPlIqOVz+7L+WiVfxLbeVqBwV+4uL9 to9zLF9IyUvl94lCxpscR2kgRgpM6A5LylRDkR6E0oudFnJgb097ZaNyuY1ETghV 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:07:54 -0000 --000000000000184b64058f636c8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I enjoyed your PidLoc presentation at IETF 105, although it was harder to follow remotely due to poor quality webshare and audio feeds. I wondered if you would share your slides? Privacy issues in mobile devices are a main daytime concern of mine as co-founder and co-chair of Trusted Computing Group's Trusted Mobility Solutions WG. My other co-chair has been active in 3GPP SA3 (security) for the past 15 years and is a strong champion of privacy enhancements for 5G (which is NOT in fact addressing privacy for roaming devices very well at all). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:42 AM Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Folks, > Thanks for attending and all you comments as in the minutes. > Please join our Mailing List which Security ADs helped create, we need > your help. > > Here is the link to the list info: > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pidloc > > > Regards, > > Dirk& Behcet > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag > --000000000000184b64058f636c8d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I enjoyed your PidLoc pr= esentation at IETF 105, although it was harder to
follow remotely= due to poor quality webshare and audio feeds.

I w= ondered if you would share your slides?

Privacy is= sues in mobile devices are a main daytime concern of mine as
co-f= ounder and co-chair of Trusted Computing Group's Trusted Mobility
=
Solutions WG.=C2=A0 My other co-chair has been active in 3GPP SA3 (sec= urity)
for the past 15 years and is a strong champion of privacy = enhancements
for 5G (which is NOT in fact addressing privacy for = roaming devices very
well at all).

Cheer= s,
- Ira

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Ira McDonald (M= usician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions = WG
Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO= Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protoc= ol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music = / High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/si= te/blueroofmusic
http://sites.google.com= /site/highnorthinc
mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand M= arais, MI 49839=C2=A0 906-494-2434

=
<= /div>


On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:42 AM Behcet Sa= rikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
Folks,
Thanks for at= tending and all you comments as in the minutes.
Please join our M= ailing List which Security ADs helped create, we need your help.
=
Here is the link to the list info:


Regards,

Dirk& Behcet
_______________________________________________
saag mailing list
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<20190805191114.GT1006@kduck.mit.edu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] PidLoc presentation at SAAG session on Thursday X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:11:25 -0000 On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 03:07:31PM -0400, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > I enjoyed your PidLoc presentation at IETF 105, although it was harder to > follow remotely due to poor quality webshare and audio feeds. > > I wondered if you would share your slides? > > Privacy issues in mobile devices are a main daytime concern of mine as > co-founder and co-chair of Trusted Computing Group's Trusted Mobility > Solutions WG. My other co-chair has been active in 3GPP SA3 (security) > for the past 15 years and is a strong champion of privacy enhancements > for 5G (which is NOT in fact addressing privacy for roaming devices very > well at all). The slides have already been posted as part of the meeting materials: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-saag-privacy-issues-in-identifier-locator-seperation-protocols-00 -Ben From nobody Mon Aug 5 12:19:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C751200E9 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N_EiciJkAalG for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C72011200D8 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id j6so7566747ybm.7 for ; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 12:19:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Nei2uBkY+BrC+tPJ3NIbQZxoemTjMdnnIMhmQ25HUN8=; b=ZF6q1MS2PmC4/6O3dmuPrTrMhkishjHoYu7WaxjSu3d6cjjozaAbq0xztjoiL6X1ql ZmGiCoSdtapKuVyYelocWfYmTW8XsceFN49pM7hqmqvj6rQ4EhIZemj80mWGn4QPlS94 wIpZX84dsW3q9oNMAH6wxfzU5TaQN5PHkRGZbhhAeHGHCa9k/SxpHO23ixhgFNH9zkdc 7k+JQtGAdDxXCyWPY/kidFw6NhyBzXT9HHfAsN+GG4HWAdzRNesJThrC/NX5L476AaT7 HEiPObpQdof1doWpLEa0gL721/thnJpKAl5p7ShxqjGsIRBaDfMCsyxvW95oKi/sLvaL ommg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Nei2uBkY+BrC+tPJ3NIbQZxoemTjMdnnIMhmQ25HUN8=; b=gmhq40yQNlhFi64sWmdqhFgZWWFgHdDsbU5k0mpUEzaJpgpVs2Bw9KJ2+QhDzItUT4 lrVTFBoKpEQ3YYpkxWX4jR0NOxlbqSykyq9TmhzYPPK5rEqfHzxEib6+F05ntCDSwVIx hQyxHlL6PAx9rKD/QQ3S55jCMiQ3VUpC7Fj5Bmk5rCH6dJ/TCx3RVk9M30zc/8flpsl5 fZPan+CuXKJRPtqoGcT2WCBz7gEkRQcKogbtrHEjT7ntzT8uMGMMKaKKaXQzwHeg+N45 VZZ1hmdKukmIyliUy0GwmRl/LSiApe3GdkhHflmul9oNAHC1v7gQIjnPWXnZ8JU8r+IQ BLrA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU0z6NjVAcRO2bFMu22yD+IGAahcqwgg7Q3+ZVcBHxtQ22JxCYM wqUvYbaZBu94U0qJVykwl6BpPPDpMk1/Hp5S+hA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwGZKQsN2PYQNrOdgvGAQBbVD1OUSgjKqKp6x6wWuVYyypBtVzsRlhGAf4it1FP4nkecXqeALVwY/+Tiivjuc8= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:8cc:: with SMTP id w12mr5654401ybq.296.1565032759889; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190805191114.GT1006@kduck.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190805191114.GT1006@kduck.mit.edu> From: Ira McDonald Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Benjamin Kaduk Cc: sarikaya@ieee.org, saag@ietf.org, "" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b71520058f63951d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] PidLoc presentation at SAAG session on Thursday X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:19:23 -0000 --000000000000b71520058f63951d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Roman and Ben, Thanks. I picked them up. Sorry for copying SAAG list with my note. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music / High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto: blueroofmusic@gmail.com PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 3:11 PM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 03:07:31PM -0400, Ira McDonald wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I enjoyed your PidLoc presentation at IETF 105, although it was harder to > > follow remotely due to poor quality webshare and audio feeds. > > > > I wondered if you would share your slides? > > > > Privacy issues in mobile devices are a main daytime concern of mine as > > co-founder and co-chair of Trusted Computing Group's Trusted Mobility > > Solutions WG. My other co-chair has been active in 3GPP SA3 (security) > > for the past 15 years and is a strong champion of privacy enhancements > > for 5G (which is NOT in fact addressing privacy for roaming devices very > > well at all). > > The slides have already been posted as part of the meeting materials: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-saag-privacy-issues-in-identifier-locator-seperation-protocols-00 > > -Ben > --000000000000b71520058f63951d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Roman and Ben,

Thanks.=C2= =A0 I picked them up.=C2=A0 Sorry for copying SAAG list with my note.
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Cheers,
- Ira

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Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2019= at 3:11 PM Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.e= du> wrote:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materia= ls/slides-105-saag-privacy-issues-in-identifier-locator-seperation-protocol= s-00

-Ben
--000000000000b71520058f63951d-- From nobody Tue Aug 6 08:20:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0436120283 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.201, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id avrDfH6XVz6O for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f41.google.com (mail-ot1-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F57F12021F for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f41.google.com with SMTP id o101so93397866ota.8 for ; Tue, 06 Aug 2019 08:20:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lPybBO0A7AhHdLklqvh2EHLyOrvRQQkQITWNGinKkEU=; b=dhXfp/WTkhOGK3ZzKZQVlXYkE7coGiB+4OLwZxpZ5anQ0D9pQO9FR1DYXluSRE5F49 /WmqVWY1Z9OqJZSEri+I5CLV/lN+kHF7T4zcFiiX8Ul8Pbuy2vcg6pi2iP2XJvwRBrrX QaV0zO26LbPUNOwXfd44EBUx07KVDUy8tNlTCqc4CRfmMMnyAO8kNBZzNwKe87NWYSGx c7ELgExWZlu+Of6vBoAVR6XWTbzLUY6083LqDZ0w3TB0IZFtSrokev9RqZgnAFKjtT2r vBYY4kvrIGw8PsihkBPQB/tbCFkmBRCsd/OA1mWfthhEgtxDLCpB5Iz8qG11RcdyNZMm R23w== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX+IyiCySIPDlhKvoIpUH822em2BWFByL5M4NHruxbaxRymCpWO NHS16HAkvsERYF3sVzadpIGPWhd3RB2cJxTdoV4/TCgQlmM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqykTMofzXRj4N8XYRrdEg4EtU8HYTcMTHtHF8BsJwGxKr9vsi6BpPh39hAfw5uag1ZCi3b0eAnfYrZSc8YNePo= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5a11:: with SMTP id v17mr3370447oth.87.1565104830179; Tue, 06 Aug 2019 08:20:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phillip Hallam-Baker Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:20:19 +0100 Message-ID: To: IETF SAAG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000706dca058f745d4a" Archived-At: Subject: [saag] Mathematical Mesh Mailing list mathmesh@ietf.org X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 15:20:33 -0000 --000000000000706dca058f745d4a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As agreed at SECDISPATCH, a new mailing list has been created: mathmesh@ietf.org Subscription page: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mathmesh People might like to subscribe now and then start discussions in a week's time after people have had a chance to join in. There is also a project web site http://mathmesh.com/ This is somewhat out of date as it reflects the state of Mesh v 2.0 and the drafts describe a revision 3.0. I am currently out on holiday. I will post the slides from the 'firehose' talk on the site and try to get it into shape. --000000000000706dca058f745d4a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As = agreed at SECDISPATCH, a new mailing list has been created:

mat= hmesh@ietf.org

Su= bscription page:

https://www.ietf.org/ma= ilman/listinfo/mathmesh

People might like to subscribe now and then start discussions in a w= eek's time after people have had a chance to join in.

There is also a project web site http://mathmesh.com/

This is somewhat out of date as it reflects the s= tate of Mesh v 2.0 and the drafts describe a revision 3.0.=C2=A0

I am currently out on holiday. I wi= ll post the slides from the 'firehose' talk on the site and try to = get it into shape.
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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7973027D-7548-446D-9F88-D7863514C177@sinodun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [saag] Fwd: [Pearg] Call for Adoption: Two drafts on Numeric IDs X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2019 12:42:38 -0000 FYI. The call is here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pearg/YlTn3VlnwFbnJ0IgNLTtLwg6W0c Taking place on this list: https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/pearg Thanks, Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Pearg] Call for Adoption: Two drafts on Numeric IDs Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 12:56:35 +0100 From: Sara Dickinson To: pearg@irtf.org Hi All, There are currently 3 drafts related to Numeric IDs that have been discussed on various IETF/IRTF lists: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-history * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-generation * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-sec-considerations This email starts a two week Call for Adoption for two of these drafts which have been proposed as suitable work for PEARG: 1) Unfortunate History of Transient Numeric Identifiers: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-history-05 2) On the Generation of Transient Numeric Identifiers: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-numeric-ids-generation-04 Please review both these draft to see if you think they are suitable for adoption by PEARG and send comments to the list, clearly stating your view. ** Because they are so closely related, we are requesting that people send an initial single response to this email but state their opinion separately for each of the above drafts in that response ** Note that the third draft is currently in the IETF stream as an AD sponsored submisssion. This call for adoption ends on 21st August 2019. Sara. -- Pearg mailing list Pearg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/pearg -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 From nobody Fri Aug 9 12:34:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3016A120077 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 12:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nightwatchcybersecurity-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w1yFmqBcadtc for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 12:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pg1-x533.google.com (mail-pg1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A7C9120178 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2019 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x533.google.com with SMTP id n4so4597714pgv.2 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:34:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nightwatchcybersecurity-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Z/X2qpbAKPq4XUIvyB3GelCpGea34fZkU8K+rGuRACM=; b=XwnkZzIpM8ZWJpXL3qtj6hUqJQ6qzw92KpnGBxxj96Jz7J+8FKdnj/0HMGE1BifWkd rFRJ+PcmDEyHt5z+4LZ1fY40CdH1oiILbC8qY0RdV7VcBj83m9Pv8in1KSDq6S0+e9f2 un2aMRfvFg7xceGRqfURocN7kuvhwCl4cD+vZCj5Bsf7tZtwtNY+xGt1mUSGlfJpwiaD 0D+ZuBHBrleiGIVMhkPvKESQaa6Rn99zJufP1HktvQcBkyGQilWUeo4jCBhsxBDng7pt DG9l2sBv+H6d9X5zxlb1o6v3bffuz9UJ7BXM2hRp52LYC8KsSIjRqHEdT4XBGZdhxxbX q6yA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Z/X2qpbAKPq4XUIvyB3GelCpGea34fZkU8K+rGuRACM=; b=uHeaIGMHpop9uhLPpzoYPVO+mUC9E2igE9pORyULM8RP4oNGaAfZEkE3UpMRdejyFG ggqbFBpmiDx2RCPUHFSVjn4mohwkllVqh5PXBy4eHFXoXrLfj4mDVWY4NcoWZIZnIMLF XBQtgC3T5QLeZ9btOTRilW5BVl+BD7Ml8EHsIBf7Hv+KAd3QQEko5igmS4sF/k2QCuf9 9gqBBPhnWypUQAtXfVmn/OQbFGLhOS6qhd1E7ddKnEl9+uKnIVMCncEnrZSlCihcLPo5 M2n403Aw5HcR5O5kdTqZwApY3sdBgqoO4e1mkE8ML8mS5Lw20i3hf8sPPOCz+aPYtMgF nEtA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVQ8hw+8WDisxLbu0TtkUTw9uMaa5zAbyA3gs0zxCDSXJOzdGsq 2xQeJBH0dp7t36FQGGy4Hz/BGXEhAsUaSC6+8z5Xjr26tVM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxf9WLq0YZaVmi1VNC7ASY9E/nbVOnxKVvYNR+k+cktvFxbOuhVNgBiXaPxP6pBFBGNXWlwIl9DJMtntAomwb0= X-Received: by 2002:a63:724b:: with SMTP id c11mr6714173pgn.30.1565379274731; Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:34:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Yakov Shafranovich Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 15:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Security Area Advisory Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [saag] fwd: HTTP Desync Attacks: Request Smuggling Reborn X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2019 19:34:40 -0000 Abstract: "HTTP requests are traditionally viewed as isolated, standalone entities. In this paper, I'll explore forgotten techniques for remote, unauthenticated attackers to smash through this isolation and splice their requests into others, through which I was able to play puppeteer with the web infrastructure of numerous commercial and military systems, rain exploits on their visitors, and harvest over $70k in bug bounties." There were presentations at BlackHat and DefCon. Details here: https://portswigger.net/blog/http-desync-attacks-request-smuggling-reborn The attack seems to be focused on "Transfer-Encoding: chunked" and "Content-Length" in HTTP. The author blames the design of HTTP/1.1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20641061 It seems RFC 7230 already addresses this very case: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7230#section-3.3.3 "If a message is received with both a Transfer-Encoding and a Content-Length header field, the Transfer-Encoding overrides the Content-Length. Such a message might indicate an attempt to perform request smuggling (Section 9.5) or response splitting (Section 9.4) and ought to be handled as an error. A sender MUST remove the received Content-Length field prior to forwarding such a message downstream." 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Draft minutes from the IETF 105 SAAG meeting can be reviewed here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/minutes-105-saag-00 Thanks to Rich Salz for taking them. If you have corrections or additions, please send them to the SEC ADs. Thanks, Roman and Ben