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[2003:cf:1701:a900:b500:380b:8f72:2ebd]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y200sm3243704wmc.20.2020.04.01.09.30.16 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2020 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Henry Story Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: <51813BCC-FF6F-49CA-8218-FA488B177742@bblfish.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 18:30:15 +0200 To: IETF SAAG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: [saag] security as immunology X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:30:25 -0000 Hi all, I wrote a post relating immunology to security, thus giving a high level overview of the web, and perhaps providing a way to think about it anew. It starts like this: [[ The Covid-19 global pandemic has taught us that immunology is not just a biological phenomenon, but a personal one requiring us to adopt hygienic practices, a social one and indeed with the closing of frontiers a geopolitical one. But it also breaks into the space of technology with requirements that we learn hygiene rules about reposting content, to limit transmission of false information about the virus. I will show how the concept of co-immunity developed by Peter Sloterdijk can give us a framework to understand this. The essay ends by developing an analysis of the immunological features of the internet and locate pieces that we need to make a healthier World Wide Web. ]] https://medium.com/@bblfish/co-immunology-and-the-web-43379b46688e Happy first of April, Henry Story From nobody Mon Apr 20 06:42:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E964A3A0D5C for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lastpresslabel-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QfpAgrNW8bxg for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C4B83A0D59 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id y24so11463676wma.4 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lastpresslabel-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:mime-version:subject:message-id:references:to:date; bh=qiLiOabDFtkp7+j7Fujd0/xmQGAAqlwjbybDnNCz2So=; b=ppPrE/L/lwH//VuSFuxgyDtdzGK2qllG6VuYn1LlWSKTbFUuJ93TNtt25Xd7hs7fy9 asjCRD5n7PVxLZjSzuNQ+RbaDAdtmipafNkp+YnzzibpT3d8gaeCFGQjOn7O22dYiP0q LRNhZiX0ts0HhLl7jbZhhDAUiX+KqeU+w4mWj8OHUJAEtF7laRoXc0Bho2JVC/brDnFf eEwxbY0zNifwefvdC4M0QxBzDzcmvLFlu5iBSZQiBZFTNWTzGUqetCjFi0JHllmOjJYW 7EpuLyE+BwbH3KG8uiYGFFgOxVILs5c58BHd0sDXUmsgWpmL6o6U+P+W+pUJPkVjdVNl IvdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:references :to:date; bh=qiLiOabDFtkp7+j7Fujd0/xmQGAAqlwjbybDnNCz2So=; b=Q1tdcyHcM0383UC6VBX0hmM2d2T2CaVMPdiaU1nsT9UL8P0fBsV3XrWkiMwAVIv+Ql MCqUEZeBGk+DpsdSKFsNvsKpiB7EGam5Vn/a9N5UTnmSOOjjdlnY58a43NFOgODxtrPv BszAl/AQiqk8tXDreH3SbEhaNrCeu3UfnH4oWKFKmoHkS7AAoILuNzcMBFQRZhVO6Mrb o+WkqZB60zOCG/zRIghnHMUb6Up0q9ucJpOHPvYXAof/9v+eZsVYRu16EzwghCPJLlTN pA/f9CYlcOP11VORumvon91xZlVRtLdxAkrQ/XLX3BdMONhY6/mdJD73cOz1PxZOuNPu HkDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaUSIqD1Lg0ZIKO7sHbNigPacdeO2PBZilsGkPELZHn4Rv8cbVx luI4dvSj68Da4ca+ge1yHlSFnZ0+o4IHwQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKqF4FOjQqa1INFumDMH/nNirVEQyKmP3dLb9/NokSsZgby5YZiDSE7RN+KuYZrMSM9DOEIDg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:bb08:: with SMTP id l8mr19439422wmf.168.1587390147574; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.8.2.65] ([194.35.233.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 74sm1268990wrk.30.2020.04.20.06.42.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dominique Lazanski Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C3C8CE4C-A28D-4B1A-B6A1-838AF4698B1C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <1962ECB8-0AED-4F01-9F70-95B5ACD5EBD2@lastpresslabel.com> References: To: saag@ietf.org Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:42:25 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [saag] Fwd: [Model-t] Today's call agenda X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:42:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C3C8CE4C-A28D-4B1A-B6A1-838AF4698B1C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is a Model-T call tonight FYI. Dominique > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Stephen Farrell > Subject: [Model-t] Today's call agenda > Date: 20 April 2020 at 11:30:40 CEST > To: "model-t@iab.org" >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Apologies again for the late agenda but the substantive > content is basically as described before - to chat about > the existing I-Ds. As of now, we have no slides (yay!). >=20 > Comments/changes to this agenda are still welcome. >=20 > Cheers, > S. >=20 > IAB model-t programme 20200420 concall >=20 > Call details: >=20 > webex: > = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dma0d9b9c9faaf6d5e6d76634f3297d7da= > Meeting number (access code): 614 431 017 > Meeting password: G5Mdiww2ZE6 >=20 > call time: April 20 2020, 1900 UTC >=20 > Etherpad: >=20 > https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/model-t-notes-20200420 >=20 > Agenda: >=20 > 0. Administrivia/agenda-bash > Get minute taker. Turn on recording! >=20 > 1. Drafts > For each draft where we have a willing person: a brief description > of the draft and recent changes, followed by comments/Q&A from = meeting > participants. (As of now, there are no slides.) >=20 > 1.1 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mcfadden-smart-endpoint-taxonomy-for-cle= ss > 1.2 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-users-threat-model-t > 1.3 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-protocol-sec-design-model-t > 1.4 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t >=20 > 2. Planning >=20 > Future calls/meetings assuming IETF108 is online-only - what would > people > like? >=20 > 3. AOB >=20 > --=20 > Model-t mailing list > Model-t@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/model-t --Apple-Mail=_C3C8CE4C-A28D-4B1A-B6A1-838AF4698B1C Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_026DFED2-F6C6-4213-A5F8-D39D91623BD1" --Apple-Mail=_026DFED2-F6C6-4213-A5F8-D39D91623BD1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii There= is a Model-T call tonight FYI.

Dominique

Begin forwarded = message:

From: = Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Subject: = [Model-t] Today's = call agenda
Date: 20= April 2020 at 11:30:40 CEST
To: "model-t@iab.org" <model-t@iab.org>


Hi,

Apologies again for the late agenda but the = substantive
content is basically as described before - to = chat about
the existing I-Ds. As of now, we have no slides = (yay!).

Comments/changes to this agenda are = still welcome.

Cheers,
S.

IAB model-t programme 20200420 concall

Call details:

=    webex:
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dma0d9b9c9faaf6d5e6d766= 34f3297d7da
=           Meeting = number (access code): 614 431 017
=           Meeting = password: G5Mdiww2ZE6

=    call time: April 20 2020, 1900 UTC

Etherpad:

=    https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/model-t-notes-20200420

Agenda:

0. = Administrivia/agenda-bash
   Get minute = taker. Turn on recording!

1. Drafts
   For each draft where we have a willing = person: a brief description
   of the = draft and recent changes, followed by comments/Q&A from meeting
   participants. (As of now, there are no = slides.)

   1.1
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mcfadden-smart-endpoint-taxon= omy-for-cless
   1.2 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-users-threat-model-t
   1.3
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lazanski-protocol-sec-design-= model-t
   1.4 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-farrell-arch-model-t

2. Planning

=    Future calls/meetings assuming IETF108 is online-only = - what would
people
=    like?

3. AOB

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