From sam-bounces@irtf.org Sun Jun 04 02:51:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmmSK-0005xq-87; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:51:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmmSJ-0005xl-IC for sam@irtf.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:51:23 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.233]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmmSI-0001hT-Cg for sam@irtf.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:51:23 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so775800wra for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=L9au4IwBP7RTaigeQaSXhuXJ+uGqDcKBTAP/vpVQXx/5O6qfePXhdxb6y0YRndwaPedvh/DCrMaw7Ty4yPKsYHaC0P6XqqtRSkcgjxbcWf8JUAjimnQtd+F031l2slBHPdy26HE6o1uzd6rjwdSoueFID3/kO2g08mOyBESv970= Received: by 10.54.140.8 with SMTP id n8mr1096072wrd; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.120.18 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38adbecd0606032351n66fd5a62kb54f37710b39b6fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:21 +0900 From: "Yuji Imai" To: sam@irtf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: c0fe7a8371425c9b X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Subject: [SAM] KNOCK, KNOCK! X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Someone here? Can I speak about SAM matters? -- ug _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Sun Jun 04 03:26:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fmn0T-000375-Hp; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:26:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fmn0S-00030H-2y for sam@irtf.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:26:40 -0400 Received: from smtp101.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.215]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fmn0P-0004Xs-J8 for sam@irtf.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:26:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 92991 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2006 07:26:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cesidianroot.com) (peter@cesidianroot.com@84.167.221.60 with plain) by smtp101.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2006 07:26:36 -0000 Message-ID: <44828B26.6040807@cesidianroot.com> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:26:30 +0200 From: Peter Dambier Organization: CesidianRoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.2) Gecko/20040921 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam@irtf.org Subject: Re: [SAM] KNOCK, KNOCK! References: <38adbecd0606032351n66fd5a62kb54f37710b39b6fe@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <38adbecd0606032351n66fd5a62kb54f37710b39b6fe@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.8.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: peter@cesidianroot.com List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Yuji Imai wrote: > Someone here? Dont know. I am new here. :) > > Can I speak about SAM matters? Cheers Peter and Karin -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49(6252)671-788 (Telekom) +49(179)108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@cesidianroot.com mail: peter@echnaton.serveftp.com http://www.cesidianroot.com/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Sun Jun 04 11:35:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmudQ-0007UY-VF; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:35:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmudP-0007US-Qd for sam@irtf.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:35:23 -0400 Received: from mx11.bbn.com ([128.33.0.80]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FmudO-0007kO-Ko for sam@irtf.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:35:23 -0400 Received: from xenophobe.bbn.com ([128.89.72.148] helo=bbn.com) by mx11.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FmudO-0007dY-3Z; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:35:22 -0400 To: peter@cesidianroot.com Subject: Re: [SAM] KNOCK, KNOCK! In-reply-to: Message from Peter Dambier <44828B26.6040807@cesidianroot.com> . X-face: &R'hN{mZu#r@8b_JU\bn"!fYpP{?5k4p/(|]?.2'6; >Dc9}~t*vY=/#-:"63ya.%)%o`Kv$ u&'Ff5k&n[}QC; j7YYsR5Hl]G"E:*9Zmw; dx[sw&9Tmx_PB/7B`RdFW; #@49hJU&kW+J"<[`9^?.dQ 3]L$zK,4'=tThX$wC!M\`e*@1y Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <25951.1149435195@bbn.com> From: Dennis Rockwell X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org On 4 Jun, Peter Dambier wrote: > Yuji Imai wrote: > > Someone here? > > Dont know. > I am new here. :) We all are. > > > > Can I speak about SAM matters? Of course! That's the point, isn't it? Dennis Rockwell dennis@bbn.com BBN Technologies +1-617-873-5745 Cambridge, MA +1-617-873-5386 (Fax) _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Mon Jun 05 08:06:57 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnDrD-0006vD-FJ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:06:55 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnDrB-0006v4-CJ for sam@irtf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:06:53 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.225]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnDrA-0006Mi-4e for sam@irtf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:06:53 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so966160wra for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Pu8Y2FEyPyJtOqv5r68H+WcWmqWVg01UKgwYu3IBExYNjEICOcTXUCKTvvXNpg1VU5Y6R85MmqPYxC2xGTyxPiTKbQplJLsSSiAkhJGbmwAvWq8sFmSSoZXcAjmB73drTa6o0d/gvib4sRkMD3IR2PaenJOJ2CAujjxeiNVuvS0= Received: by 10.54.76.12 with SMTP id y12mr4714364wra; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.120.18 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 05:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38adbecd0606050506r3464637eq11e9d6f04176f8e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:06:51 +0900 From: "Yuji -UG- Imai" To: "Dennis Rockwell" Subject: Re: [SAM] KNOCK, KNOCK! In-Reply-To: <25951.1149435195@bbn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44828B26.6040807@cesidianroot.com> <25951.1149435195@bbn.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c70da4f091f474a0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org OK. As warm-up comedian before co-chairs come here, I want to make an entirely silly joke prize. So, at last meeting in Dallas we keep my Japanese hundred and three years old grand mother's rule, "In US, you have to start your presentation with very simple stupid joke." remember? I did 5 questions and let people raise their hands. 1. Who has been taught "what multicast is" in the lecture? 2. Who experienced video-conference by multicast (or alternatives, OM, ALM, XCAST)? 3. Who did from your research lab in univ./office? 4. Who did from your home? 5. Who believe that your partner can establish a multicast based world-wide conference call using existing technologies? For question 1, almost attendant raised. For 4, one third. For 5, no one. Then I give you a homework again for Montreal, all. "What would be the most incredible thing when SAM would achieve their goal and your family finally enjoy world-wide video-con from your home very easily?" I accept previously and will check attendant names from the blue sheet to chase his/her to the end of IETF venue to have their comments. For one people who would give me the most beautiful answer, I will hand small souvenir from Japan. See you! -- UG 2006/6/5, Dennis Rockwell : > On 4 Jun, Peter Dambier wrote: > > > Yuji Imai wrote: > > > Someone here? > > > > Dont know. > > I am new here. :) > > We all are. > > > > > > > Can I speak about SAM matters? > > Of course! That's the point, isn't it? > > Dennis Rockwell dennis@bbn.com > BBN Technologies +1-617-873-5745 > Cambridge, MA +1-617-873-5386 (Fax) > > > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam > -- ug _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Mon Jun 05 09:40:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFJw-0007N8-Mp; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:40:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFJv-0007KW-8z for sam@irtf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:40:39 -0400 Received: from oak.research.panasonic.com ([150.169.1.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFJu-00083Q-14 for sam@irtf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:40:39 -0400 Received: from redwood.research.panasonic.com (redwood.research.panasonic.com [150.169.3.3]) by oak.research.panasonic.com (1.1.1/1.1.1) with ESMTP id k55Dee0D027599 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:40:40 -0400 Received: from bufordw2 ([150.169.1.194]) by redwood.research.panasonic.com (MOS 3.7.4b-GA) with SMTP id AFY27208; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:38:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Buford" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/57, host=redwood.research.panasonic.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090202.4484331E.0055,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=150.169.1.194, so=2006-02-11 11:31:14, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Subject: [SAM] Plan for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 in Montreal X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org We are working on arranging the first official meeting of the RG at IETF-66. Typically these meetings are scheduled later in the week, probably on Friday. We will announce the schedule once it is provided by the IETF secretariat. Here is a preliminary agenda: - Comparitive survey of existing ALM & OM systems We have done some work on this and expect to contribute an ID by Montreal meeting, and would welcome participation by others. - General requirements for SAM - GIG requirements for SAM - Workplan what should be the IDs and RFCs we produce in the next 18-24 months? how should we divide the work? how should we promote participation in the RG? what liaisons in IETF and outside do we need? etc. - Open discussion Please comment and expand on this agenda. Please indicate which areas you are particularly interested in working on. Also, we have a new website www.samrg.org It would be nice to have a bibliography related to our work on this site, plus links to related activities such as XCAST, ALM/OM research systems, etc. In particular it would be useful to have a GIG reading list. Thanks. John _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Mon Jun 05 09:40:41 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFJx-0007O0-Py; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:40:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFJw-0007N3-8M for sam@irtf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:40:40 -0400 Received: from oak.research.panasonic.com ([150.169.1.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnFJt-00083P-Vf for sam@irtf.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:40:40 -0400 Received: from redwood.research.panasonic.com (redwood.research.panasonic.com [150.169.3.3]) by oak.research.panasonic.com (1.1.1/1.1.1) with ESMTP id k55Dee09027599 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:40:40 -0400 Received: from bufordw2 ([150.169.1.194]) by redwood.research.panasonic.com (MOS 3.7.4b-GA) with SMTP id AFY27203; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:38:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Buford" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:40:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/57, host=redwood.research.panasonic.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090204.4484331D.004F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=150.169.1.194, so=2006-02-11 11:31:14, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Subject: [SAM] Official launch of IRTF SAM RG X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Welcome to the SAM (Scalable Adaptive Multicast) RG of the IRTF! The web sites describing this activity are: www.irtf.org/samrg www.samrg.org Many individuals participated in the discussions and planning for launching this RG. Draft charters for RGs on XCAST and Small Group Multicast were earlier vintages. On behalf of the RG, we would like to acknowledge those who advised us along the way, including: Aaron Falk, Lixia Zhang, Bobby Bhattacharjee, Scott Bradner, Allison Mankin, Henning Schulzrinne, Mark Pullen, and Colin Perkins. Thank you for helping shape a research agenda which we hope will have a big impact. We would also like to recognize the efforts of the XCAST community in initiating much of the discussion and planning that led to this point, including Yuji Imai, Rick Bovie, Eiichi Muramoto, Chih-Chang Hsu, Jiwoong Lee and Ali Boudani. Please see the XCAST site for more details about XCAST: http://www.xcast.jp/index.php/Main_Page John Buford & Jeremy Mineweaser _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 06 23:10:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnoQi-0002JK-7c; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:10:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnoQh-0002JF-3S for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:09:59 -0400 Received: from fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp ([192.51.44.37]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnoQe-0004Nj-CG for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:09:59 -0400 Received: from m0.gw.fujitsu.co.jp ([10.0.50.70]) by fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp (Fujitsu Gateway) with ESMTP id k5739rCo003743; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:09:53 +0900 (envelope-from ug@xcast.jp) Received: from smail (m0 [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.m0.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB9057808B; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:09:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from s13.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (vs3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp [10.0.50.63]) by m0.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213AB7180A8; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:09:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from s13.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (s13 [127.0.0.1]) by s13.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B561CC103; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:09:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp [10.25.192.105]) by s13.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E24C1CC00F; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (8.13.6/8.13.6/060329-after_scanning) with SMTP id k5739oKF025665; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.25.213.34]) by vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.1.5.31) with SMTP id M2006060712095126509 ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:09:51 +0900 Message-ID: <4486437B.7000001@xcast.jp> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:09:47 +0900 From: Yuji IMAI User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dow M. Street" , Jeremy Mineweaser Subject: Re: [SAM] Plan for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 in Montreal References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi, all. I'm very happy to kick off the SAM activities with you. It's depends on network environment but can we XCAST6 the meeting? (No special preparation like extra microphones nor projectors are needed.) -- ug John Buford wrote: > We are working on arranging the first official > meeting of the RG at IETF-66. Typically these > meetings are scheduled later in the week, probably > on Friday. We will announce the schedule once > it is provided by the IETF secretariat. > > Here is a preliminary agenda: > > - Comparitive survey of existing ALM & OM systems > We have done some work on this and expect to > contribute an ID by Montreal meeting, and > would welcome participation by others. > > - General requirements for SAM > > - GIG requirements for SAM > > - Workplan > what should be the IDs and RFCs we > produce in the next 18-24 months? > how should we divide the work? > how should we promote participation in the RG? > what liaisons in IETF and outside do we need? > etc. > > - Open discussion > > Please comment and expand on this agenda. > Please indicate which areas you are particularly > interested in working on. > > Also, we have a new website www.samrg.org > It would be nice to have a bibliography related to > our work on this site, plus links to related activities > such as XCAST, ALM/OM research systems, etc. > In particular it would be useful to have a GIG > reading list. > > > Thanks. > John > > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Fri Jun 09 10:21:47 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fohrv-0000Ck-2K; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:21:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fohhd-0004Ut-I8 for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:11:09 -0400 Received: from s2.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.81.12]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fohhc-0003y5-9y for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:11:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s2.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C314BFE86 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:11:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.22.0.22] (tmg22.tmg.loc [172.22.0.22]) by s2.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:11:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44898168.3090602@informatik.uni-goettingen.de> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:10:48 +0200 From: Jun Lei User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam@irtf.org Subject: Re: [SAM] Plan for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 in Montreal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by sophie+clamav (Debian) at informatik.uni-goettingen.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:21:45 -0400 X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi, all: We are currently focusing on the Application Level Multicast solutions so that we are so glad to see the SAM activities which are scheduled for the approaching IETF meeting. We would like to participate in the cooperation of ALM & OM related research issues. :) B.R. -- Jun Lei PhD Student Address: Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen Institut fuer Informatik Telematics Group Lotzestrasse 16-18 37083 Goettingen Fax: +49 (551) 39-1 44 03 Tel: +49 (551) 39-1 35 78 Email: lei@informatik.uni-goettingen.de _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 20 09:59:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fsgl4-0008Mp-Sz; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:59:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fsgl3-0008Mj-G6 for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:59:09 -0400 Received: from smtp.mei.co.jp ([133.183.129.25] helo=smtp1.mei.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fsgl1-0002sz-Rm for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:59:09 -0400 Received: from mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (dodgers.mei.co.jp [157.8.1.150]) by smtp1.mei.co.jp (8.12.11.20060308/3.7W/bulls) with ESMTP id k5KDx4UM021318 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:59:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/somlx3) with ESMTP id k5KDx5I14700 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:59:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from epochmail.jp.panasonic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/indians) with ESMTP id k5KDx6R17021 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:59:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by epochmail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/soml23) id k5KDx5V15778 for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:59:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from donau.mrit.mei.co.jp by soml23.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id k5KDx4k15766 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:59:04 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200606201357.AA06675@maruta.jp.panasonic.com> From: Eiichi Muramoto Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:57:42 +0900 To: sam@irtf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [SAM] draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hello all. We just submitted a draft. I posted it after the cut-off date. So I also put it below. http://www.xcast.jp/~muramoto/draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt Although it is not polished enough, we hope it would help our discussion in the next IETF meeting. Regards, Eiichi Muramoto, Yuji Imai, Nobuo Kawaguchi / WIDE project ----- muramoto.eiichi@jp.panasonic.com _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Wed Jun 21 09:43:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ft2zM-00083j-VM; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:24 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ft2zL-00083d-5B for sam@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:23 -0400 Received: from mailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ft2zJ-0004kG-Mh for sam@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:43:23 -0400 Received: from s4.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.81.226] helo=smtp.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ft2zD-0006CE-ED for sam@irtf.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:43:21 +0200 Received: from [172.22.0.22] (tmg22.tmg.loc [172.22.0.22]) by smtp.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:43:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44994CDD.2000507@informatik.uni-goettingen.de> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:42:53 +0200 From: Jun Lei User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam@irtf.org Subject: Re: [SAM] draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt References: <200606201357.AA06675@maruta.jp.panasonic.com> In-Reply-To: <200606201357.AA06675@maruta.jp.panasonic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required _SUMMARY_ X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi, all: We are interested in this topic as well and glad to the draft on " requirements for SAM framework". The motivation behind this draft is great because the requirements and problems statements seem to the instructions of the research work. Nevertheless, I have some comments on it. 1. In this draft, "problems space" is mentioned, however, the exact problem statements are missing. It might be better to illustrate the existing problems at the beginning. 2. Generally, to my opinion, it is better to state the reason why the requirement is important to the SAM framework, at least the advantage of considering the requirement. However, it is hard to find above statements in this draft. In the following contents, some suggestions: 3. In section 3.2, the contents might be not quite in accordance with the title since it mainly talks about the underlying infrastructure support. Or maybe I make a misunderstanding? 4. 3.3.4 might be better to say "dynamic management of group membership" instead of "dynamics of group membership" as a requirement. 5. Another requirement might also be important "efficiency of data distribution/transmission". As we known, application level multicast is much less efficient as the network layer multicast. 6. There are several grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. for example, 3.3.1 at the beginning "*Mulitcast* distribution..." should be "Multicast ..."; 3.3.2 "..forwarding *function* (...) are ..." should be "...functions (..) are..."; "in such situation, .." should be "in such a situation". It might be better to revise the whole expression? Best Regards Jun > Hello all. > > We just submitted a draft. > > I posted it after the cut-off date. So I also put it below. > http://www.xcast.jp/~muramoto/draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt > Although it is not polished enough, > we hope it would help our discussion in the next IETF meeting. > > Regards, > Eiichi Muramoto, Yuji Imai, Nobuo Kawaguchi / WIDE project > > ----- > muramoto.eiichi@jp.panasonic.com > > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam -- Jun Lei PhD Student Address: Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen Institut fuer Informatik Telematics Group Lotzestrasse 16-18 37083 Goettingen Fax: +49 (551) 39-1 44 03 Tel: +49 (551) 39-1 35 78 Email: lei@informatik.uni-goettingen.de _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Thu Jun 22 18:06:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtXJn-0007Bi-D9; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:06:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtXJm-0007Ad-5T for SAM@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:06:30 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtVg0-00087a-9Y for SAM@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:21:20 -0400 Received: from mailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.26]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtVTx-00035U-0W for SAM@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:08:54 -0400 Received: from s4.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de ([134.76.81.226] helo=smtp.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de) by mailer.gwdg.de with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FtVTs-0001L6-QG; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:08:51 +0200 Received: from asmallfox (dslc-082-082-091-050.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.82.91.50]) by smtp.ifi.informatik.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:08:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004501c69637$ba160210$afab0a0a@asmallfox> From: "Jun Lei" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:09:10 +0200 Organization: Informatik Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Level: / X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required _SUMMARY_ X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: Subject: [SAM] A new draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jun Lei List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hallo, all: An initial Internet-Draft is now available from the on-line Internet-drafts directories: Title : DMMP: Dynamic Mesh-based Overlay Multicast Protocol Author(s) : J. Lei, et al. Filename : draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2006-6-21 This document describes a Dynamic Mesh-based overlay Multicast Protocol (DMMP) to support multicast data delivery applications without relying on classic IP multicast, including multicast group management, overlay hierarchy establishment, multicast tree construction and data forwarding scheme from the source to a number of receivers. The DMMP framework builds on control plane functions which dynamically manage an overlay core and a multicast tree layer. The key idea is a small number of selected end hosts self-organizing into an overlay mesh, and dynamically maintaining such a mesh. Based on the constructed mesh, some core-based clusters are built with capacity-aware trees inside. Then, a multicast tree consists of DMMP-aware end hosts (and/or specific routers) is built on the top of the overlay core for efficient delivery of the multicast data. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt Comments and suggestions are welcomed! Best Regards Jun _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Thu Jun 22 20:27:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZWR-0003UL-79; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:27:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZWQ-0003UB-PN for SAM@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:27:42 -0400 Received: from fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp ([192.51.44.37]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtZWP-0005wP-6l for SAM@irtf.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:27:42 -0400 Received: from m5.gw.fujitsu.co.jp ([10.0.50.75]) by fgwmail7.fujitsu.co.jp (Fujitsu Gateway) with ESMTP id k5N0RXCx031213; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:33 +0900 (envelope-from ug@xcast.jp) Received: from smail (m5 [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.m5.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313152AC029; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from s7.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (vs3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp [10.0.50.63]) by m5.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F9912C076; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from s7.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (s7 [127.0.0.1]) by s7.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BA11CC00F; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp [10.25.192.105]) by s7.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630391CC00E; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (8.13.7/8.13.7/060619-after_scanning) with SMTP id k5N0RFQ7027760; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([10.25.213.34]) by vs.kawasaki.flab.fujitsu.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.1.5.31) with SMTP id M2006062309273104371 ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:31 +0900 Message-ID: <449B3565.3090007@xcast.jp> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:17 +0900 From: Yuji IMAI User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jun Lei Subject: Be in Montreal? (Re: [SAM] A new draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt) References: <004501c69637$ba160210$afab0a0a@asmallfox> In-Reply-To: <004501c69637$ba160210$afab0a0a@asmallfox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: SAM@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi, all. I am happy there are active people here. BTW, how many people will be next IETF in Montreal. If they not so small but not so many group, I want to see and have lunch or dinners other than the on-agenda meeting on Tuesday. I think we have to many thing to discuss in a 2 and half hours meeting. I will touch down at 19:10 on Monday 10th July and jump early morning on Thursday 13th. Are there any other? -- ug _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Fri Jun 23 01:37:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FteMF-00059x-7O; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:37:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FteMD-00058o-86 for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:37:29 -0400 Received: from smtp.mei.co.jp ([133.183.129.25] helo=smtp1.mei.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FteM9-0004xx-6Y for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:37:27 -0400 Received: from mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (dodgers.mei.co.jp [157.8.1.150]) by smtp1.mei.co.jp (8.12.11.20060308/3.7W/kings) with ESMTP id k5N5bGnh001303; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:37:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail-gw.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/somlx1) with ESMTP id k5N5bIA14573; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:37:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from epochmail.jp.panasonic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/redsox) with ESMTP id k5N5bGU05645; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:37:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by epochmail.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W/soml24) id k5N5bGo25022; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:37:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from donau.mrit.mei.co.jp by soml24.jp.panasonic.com (8.11.6p2/3.7W) with ESMTP id k5N5bG625001; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:37:16 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200606230531.AA06702@maruta.jp.panasonic.com> From: Eiichi Muramoto Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:31:47 +0900 To: Jun Lei Subject: Re: [SAM] draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt In-Reply-To: <44994CDD.2000507@informatik.uni-goettingen.de> References: <44994CDD.2000507@informatik.uni-goettingen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi, Lei Thank you for reading the "rushing" draft. I think your comments are right. ( we should state problem space and importantance of requirement, if possible ) Forunately (or unfortunately) the draft returned back to me because of insufficient copyright statement.(I wrote "2005".) >It might be better to revise the whole expression? Yes. I think the document is only for our discussion not for formal one. After 1st meeting in the next IETF, it should be revised. So I did not add something nor fix the document itself. I just fixed typo and re-submited it. Regards, Eiichi Muramoto. Jun Lei wrote: >Hi, all: > We are interested in this topic as well and glad to the draft on " >requirements for SAM framework". The motivation behind this draft is >great because the requirements and problems statements seem to the >instructions of the research work. > > Nevertheless, I have some comments on it. > >1. In this draft, "problems space" is mentioned, however, the exact >problem statements are missing. It might be better to illustrate the >existing problems at the beginning. > >2. Generally, to my opinion, it is better to state the reason why the >requirement is important to the SAM framework, at least the advantage of >considering the requirement. However, it is hard to find above >statements in this draft. > >In the following contents, some suggestions: > >3. In section 3.2, the contents might be not quite in accordance with >the title since it mainly talks about the underlying infrastructure >support. Or maybe I make a misunderstanding? > >4. 3.3.4 might be better to say "dynamic management of group membership" >instead of "dynamics of group membership" as a requirement. > >5. Another requirement might also be important "efficiency of data >distribution/transmission". As we known, application level multicast is >much less efficient as the network layer multicast. > >6. There are several grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. >for example, >3.3.1 at the beginning "*Mulitcast* distribution..." should be >"Multicast ..."; >3.3.2 "..forwarding *function* (...) are ..." should be "...functions >(..) are..."; >"in such situation, .." should be "in such a situation". > >It might be better to revise the whole expression? > >Best Regards > >Jun >> Hello all. >> >> We just submitted a draft. >> >> I posted it after the cut-off date. So I also put it below. >> http://www.xcast.jp/~muramoto/draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt >> Although it is not polished enough, >> we hope it would help our discussion in the next IETF meeting. >> >> Regards, >> Eiichi Muramoto, Yuji Imai, Nobuo Kawaguchi / WIDE project >> >> ----- >> muramoto.eiichi@jp.panasonic.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SAM mailing list >> SAM@irtf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam > > >-- >Jun Lei >PhD Student > >Address: >Georg-August-Universitaet Goettingen >Institut fuer Informatik >Telematics Group >Lotzestrasse 16-18 >37083 Goettingen > > >Fax: +49 (551) 39-1 44 03 >Tel: +49 (551) 39-1 35 78 > >Email: lei@informatik.uni-goettingen.de > >_______________________________________________ >SAM mailing list >SAM@irtf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam ----- muramoto.eiichi@jp.panasonic.com _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Fri Jun 23 15:29:32 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtrLP-0004Vw-NB; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtrLP-0004Vr-8u for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:31 -0400 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.141]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FtrLN-00046o-V9 for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:31 -0400 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5NJTT1G002901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:29 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.6/NCO/VER7.0) with ESMTP id k5NJTSgu260902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:29 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5NJTS98015336 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:28 -0400 Received: from d01ml605.pok.ibm.com (d01ml605.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.91]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5NJTRNY015330; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <200606201357.AA06675@maruta.jp.panasonic.com> Subject: Re: [SAM] draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt To: Eiichi Muramoto X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0 HF144 February 01, 2006 Message-ID: From: Rick Boivie Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:29:28 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D01ML605/01/M/IBM(Release 7.0.1HF123 | April 14, 2006) at 06/23/2006 15:29:27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi Guys, It seems that the title of section 3.3 in your draft should be something like "Number of Groups" since that's what seems to be discussed in that section. Not group size. Also, here are some words I put together for a requirements discussion a little while back - should be scalable in that it should be able to support a very large number of multicast groups (since the network will need to support very large numbers of groups for VoIP conference calls, for videoconferences, e-meetings and other applications). - should be able to rapidly adapt to changes in network topology -- even if there is a large number of multicast groups, even if group membership is highly dynamic and even if lots of group members are moving. To state this requirement in a more quantifiable way, multicast routing should converge for 95% of the affected groups within 1 second, say, after convergence of unicast routing (to minimize outages of VoIP conference, e-meetings etc.) - Multicast packets should follow "close to optimal" routes from a source to a destination. To state this in a more quantifiable and measurable way, the end-to-end delay from a source, s, to a destination, d, in a multicast transmission should be no more than 50 msec (say) longer than the end-to-end delay of a unicast transmission from s to d. (Need to have good end-to-end delay to support full-duplex, real-time VoIP communications.) - Multicast should not artificially concentrate traffic on certain nodes or certain links (think rendez-vous points) since this can introduce unnecessary queueing delays and unnecessary packet loss in addition to unnecessarily long network paths and unnecessarily large end-to-end latencies. Rick Eiichi Muramoto To sam@irtf.org 06/20/2006 09:57 cc AM Subject [SAM] draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-req uire-00.txt Hello all. We just submitted a draft. I posted it after the cut-off date. So I also put it below. http://www.xcast.jp/~muramoto/draft-irtf-sam-muramoto-generic-require-00.txt Although it is not polished enough, we hope it would help our discussion in the next IETF meeting. Regards, Eiichi Muramoto, Yuji Imai, Nobuo Kawaguchi / WIDE project ----- muramoto.eiichi@jp.panasonic.com _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 27 14:32:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvIMO-0000G0-1q; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:32:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvIM1-0008Q7-Lo for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:32:05 -0400 Received: from oak.research.panasonic.com ([150.169.1.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvIM0-0000gI-EI for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:32:05 -0400 Received: from redwood.research.panasonic.com (redwood.research.panasonic.com [150.169.3.3]) by oak.research.panasonic.com (1.1.1/1.1.1) with ESMTP id k5RIW7kp016474; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:32:07 -0400 Received: from bufordw2 ([150.169.1.194]) by redwood.research.panasonic.com (MOS 3.7.4b-GA) with SMTP id AGM68752; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Buford" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:32:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/57, host=redwood.research.panasonic.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090204.44A177C4.0023,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=150.169.1.194, so=2006-02-11 11:31:14, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Subject: [SAM] preliminary agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF 66 X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Here is our first pass at a meeting agenda for the meeting at IETF 66. If you have suggestions on the agenda or another contribution you would like to present, please send to mail list or chairs. John Buford & Jeremy Mineweaster ========================================== Agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 Thursday July 13, 2006 9am - 11:30pm 0:00 Welcome (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) 0:05 Agenda bash (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) 0:10 Summary of ALM, OM, and Hybrid systems (J. Buford) 0:40 Requirements for Scalable Adaptive Multicast Framework in Non-GIG Networks (Y. Imai, N.Kawaguchi) draft-muramoto-irtf-sam-generic-require-00.txt 1:20 Introduction to the Global Information Grid (GIG) and key GIG challenges (J. Mineweaser) 1:50 DMMP: Dynamic Mesh-based Overlay Multicast Protocol (X. Fu) draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt 2:10 SAMRG Work Plan and Meeting Plan (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) 2:20 Open discussion 2:30 Close of meeting _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 27 17:21:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvKzw-0006Nz-Hk; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:21:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvKzv-0006Np-IA for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:21:27 -0400 Received: from oak.research.panasonic.com ([150.169.1.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvKzu-0005xd-8M for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:21:27 -0400 Received: from redwood.research.panasonic.com (redwood.research.panasonic.com [150.169.3.3]) by oak.research.panasonic.com (1.1.1/1.1.1) with ESMTP id k5RLLTBI023476; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:21:29 -0400 Received: from bufordw2 ([150.169.1.194]) by redwood.research.panasonic.com (MOS 3.7.4b-GA) with SMTP id AGM75005; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "John Buford" To: "Yuji -UG- Imai" Subject: RE: [SAM] preliminary agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF 66 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:21:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <38adbecd0606271413u14413ca6u1b50347be24b7ca6@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/57, host=redwood.research.panasonic.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090202.44A19F76.005C,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=150.169.1.194, so=2006-02-11 11:31:14, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org UG-san, 1) we are working on making sure all materials are available in advance of the meeting 2) provided we have a volunteer scribe at the meeting, there should be Jabber participation available 3) please post to mailing list when it is ready Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: kimai3@gmail.com [mailto:kimai3@gmail.com]On Behalf Of Yuji -UG- Imai Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:13 PM To: John Buford Cc: sam@irtf.org Subject: Re: [SAM] preliminary agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF 66 Hi, all. I have three items. 1) It is prefferable for us, non English-natives, having informative material previously. Now we could not have one for GIG. Will we? 2) For same reason, it will be good that note taker put the words on Jabber conf server. Will we? 3) About XCAST6, we preparing version up. I'd like to have just 5 minutes before work plan discussion. I will also send I-D style document. (Sorry to be late posting. It's because of discussing with the legal divesion with the company I belong to.) -- ug On 6/28/06, John Buford wrote: > > Here is our first pass at a meeting agenda > for the meeting at IETF 66. If you have suggestions > on the agenda or another contribution you would like > to present, please send to mail list > or chairs. > > John Buford & Jeremy Mineweaster > > ========================================== > Agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 > Thursday July 13, 2006 9am - 11:30pm > > 0:00 Welcome (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) > > 0:05 Agenda bash (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) > > 0:10 Summary of ALM, OM, and Hybrid systems (J. Buford) > > 0:40 Requirements for Scalable Adaptive Multicast > Framework in Non-GIG Networks (Y. Imai, N.Kawaguchi) > draft-muramoto-irtf-sam-generic-require-00.txt > > 1:20 Introduction to the Global Information Grid (GIG) and > key GIG challenges (J. Mineweaser) > > 1:50 DMMP: Dynamic Mesh-based Overlay Multicast Protocol (X. Fu) > draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt > > 2:10 SAMRG Work Plan and Meeting Plan (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) > > 2:20 Open discussion > > 2:30 Close of meeting > > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam > -- ug _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 27 19:00:12 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMXU-0005rW-23; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:00:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMXT-0005qp-LA for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:00:11 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvLqh-0002vP-Ns for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:15:59 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com ([66.249.82.195]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvKsD-0000Zg-J0 for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:13:32 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s11so1017724wxc for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:13:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Uv6+ujqup5r0iOOVS+uX0VDoIigbU5YK6zeqz4rffaWco9ERPRTQOzFPsb1HSUNOv/GdEkbBr84EnlxuC6dPytsrnAxzjRcdUcpgnj1N911IAjw6UidBt7eBRPQ0Qm83kw6NpHdHBonvnaN+HFtBVUcrvSIWWW/1UO4CYz9/IZQ= Received: by 10.70.73.4 with SMTP id v4mr178471wxa; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.43.19 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38adbecd0606271413u14413ca6u1b50347be24b7ca6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:13:26 +0900 From: "Yuji -UG- Imai" To: "John Buford" Subject: Re: [SAM] preliminary agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF 66 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6db22297d7034ba2 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Hi, all. I have three items. 1) It is prefferable for us, non English-natives, having informative material previously. Now we could not have one for GIG. Will we? 2) For same reason, it will be good that note taker put the words on Jabber conf server. Will we? 3) About XCAST6, we preparing version up. I'd like to have just 5 minutes before work plan discussion. I will also send I-D style document. (Sorry to be late posting. It's because of discussing with the legal divesion with the company I belong to.) -- ug On 6/28/06, John Buford wrote: > > Here is our first pass at a meeting agenda > for the meeting at IETF 66. If you have suggestions > on the agenda or another contribution you would like > to present, please send to mail list > or chairs. > > John Buford & Jeremy Mineweaster > > ========================================== > Agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 > Thursday July 13, 2006 9am - 11:30pm > > 0:00 Welcome (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) > > 0:05 Agenda bash (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) > > 0:10 Summary of ALM, OM, and Hybrid systems (J. Buford) > > 0:40 Requirements for Scalable Adaptive Multicast > Framework in Non-GIG Networks (Y. Imai, N.Kawaguchi) > draft-muramoto-irtf-sam-generic-require-00.txt > > 1:20 Introduction to the Global Information Grid (GIG) and > key GIG challenges (J. Mineweaser) > > 1:50 DMMP: Dynamic Mesh-based Overlay Multicast Protocol (X. Fu) > draft-lei-samrg-dmmp-00.txt > > 2:10 SAMRG Work Plan and Meeting Plan (J. Buford, J. Mineweaser) > > 2:20 Open discussion > > 2:30 Close of meeting > > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam > -- ug _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 27 19:22:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMt7-0003Pw-Tx; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:22:33 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMt5-0003MO-TO for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:22:31 -0400 Received: from mhultra.aero.org ([130.221.88.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvMt4-0001Fv-J1 for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:22:31 -0400 Received: from happy.face.aero.org (happy.face.aero.org [130.221.31.116]) by mhultra.aero.org with ESMTPS for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:04:08 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by happy.face.aero.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FvMbI-0000bS-N3 for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:04:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Scott Boone Subject: Re: [SAM] preliminary agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF 66 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:04:07 -0700 To: sam@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org On 27 Jun 2006, at 11:32 AM, John Buford wrote: > > Here is our first pass at a meeting agenda > for the meeting at IETF 66. If you have suggestions > on the agenda or another contribution you would like > to present, please send to mail list > or chairs. > > John Buford & Jeremy Mineweaster > > ========================================== > Agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 > Thursday July 13, 2006 9am - 11:30pm Has this been changed from Tuesday to Thursday? 14 and a half hours long? Wow! ;-) Scott _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam From sam-bounces@irtf.org Tue Jun 27 19:33:56 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvN48-0003jP-2T; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:33:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvN46-0003jK-QY for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:33:54 -0400 Received: from oak.research.panasonic.com ([150.169.1.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvN45-0002nQ-IV for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:33:54 -0400 Received: from redwood.research.panasonic.com (redwood.research.panasonic.com [150.169.3.3]) by oak.research.panasonic.com (1.1.1/1.1.1) with ESMTP id k5RNXrYN029882; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:33:53 -0400 Received: from anakin.research.panasonic.com (anakin.research.panasonic.com [150.169.1.8]) by redwood.research.panasonic.com (MOS 3.7.4b-GA) with ESMTP id AGM79756; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25934689.3581151451065692.OPEN-XCHANGE.WebMail.nobody@anakin.research.panasonic.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: John Buford To: Scott Boone Subject: Re: [SAM] preliminary agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF 66 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (normal) X-Mailer: OPEN-XCHANGE 0.8.0-6 - WebMail X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-1.1833_FC4smp i386 (JVM 1.4.2_11) Organization: Panasonic R&D References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: sam@irtf.org X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sam-bounces@irtf.org Yes, it was moved from Tuesday to Thursday. Thanks for catching the typo. John =C2=A0 On Jun 27, 2006 07:04 PM, Scott Boone wrote: >On 27 Jun 2006, at 11:32 AM, John Buford wrote: >> >>Here is our first pass at a meeting agenda >>for the meeting at IETF 66. If you have suggestions >>on the agenda or another contribution you would like >>to present, please send to mail list >>or chairs. >> >>John Buford & Jeremy Mineweaster >> >>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>Agenda for SAM RG meeting at IETF-66 >>Thursday July 13, 2006 9am - 11:30pm > >Has this been changed from Tuesday to Thursday? > >14 and a half hours long? Wow! ;-) > > >Scott > >_______________________________________________ >SAM mailing list >SAM@irtf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam _______________________________________________ SAM mailing list SAM@irtf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam