From wwwrun@ietfa.amsl.com Fri Jan 27 11:49:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: scim@ietf.org Delivered-To: scim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 2105121F864F; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20120127194924.2105121F864F@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:49:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: scim@ietf.org, Peter Saint-Andre Subject: [scim] New Non-WG Mailing List: scim -- Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:49:24 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. 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From vesely@tana.it Sat Jan 28 02:42:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: scim@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: scim@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA05421F84D4 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:42:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hergY7E-IAVc for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from wmail.tana.it (wmail.tana.it [62.94.243.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D239121F850D for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:42:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tana.it; s=test; t=1327747326; bh=EkvzdgPMoQViA9pis2kkJm+5oKTdxHeSVjU8wTM1PP4=; l=733; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IB4YzJPMSunSP14GNQvJMt1oJ7so5DyC+x9lz02hjqMA80G0d57aSlRrBdo37s+Ca N/ja+jplt9KUtg84qpkjmzuAIF34dJ8sOsyvuRCXlAABmgTAtGYHimuXgF2kJ3wh4G DW3yhn3DusXO7hBvbPqi50aJCszmumz+0PRUnHzM= Received: from [172.25.197.158] (pcale.tana [172.25.197.158]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 515, TLS: TLS1.0,256bits,RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1) by wmail.tana.it with ESMTPSA; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:42:06 +0100 id 00000000005DC035.000000004F23D0FE.00002B26 Message-ID: <4F23D0FD.60007@tana.it> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:42:05 +0100 From: Alessandro Vesely User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simple Cloud Identity Management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [scim] What is this list's topic? X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:42:12 -0000 Hi Peter and all, I just read the announce for this, and wonder whether to subscribe or not. What is "Simple Cloud Identity Management"? More precise questions: Is "Cloud" meant to generically address netizenship or something more specific, such as the dynamic nature of the IP assignments? Identity management describes the management of individual identities, their authentication, authorization, roles, and privileges/permissions. Correct? Is there a relation with OpenID or BrowserID? They both assume that the user-ids are email addresses, but also have a framework and definite techniques that could be standardized. Is the discussion supposed to build on those achievements? TIA for any clarifications. 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[66.69.203.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y58sm25639778yhi.17.2012.01.29.06.43.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:43:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D79302C8-5A3E-4F10-ADD3-0091273C5852"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Trey Drake In-Reply-To: <4F23D0FD.60007@tana.it> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 08:43:15 -0600 Message-Id: <461B8A62-1C86-49B3-9F3F-AF650DBE1091@unboundid.com> References: <4F23D0FD.60007@tana.it> To: Alessandro Vesely X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: Simple Cloud Identity Management Subject: Re: [scim] What is this list's topic? X-BeenThere: scim@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Simple Cloud Identity Management BOF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:43:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D79302C8-5A3E-4F10-ADD3-0091273C5852 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D3044056-3C14-4AC3-B505-9D1FADA5BA07" --Apple-Mail=_D3044056-3C14-4AC3-B505-9D1FADA5BA07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Alessandro, Please see inlined. I believe it would be worth your time to review the = use cases and specifications found at http://www.simplecloud.info. I've = pasted the abstract below. "The Simple Cloud Identity Management (SCIM) specification is designed = to make managing user identity in cloud based applications and services = easier. The specification suite seeks to build upon experience with = existing schemas and deployments, placing specific emphasis on = simplicity of development and integration, while applying existing = authentication, authorization, and privacy models. It's intent is to = reduce the cost and complexity of user management operations by = providing a common user schema and extension model, as well as binding = documents to provide patterns for exchanging this schema using standard = protocols. In essence, make it fast, cheap, and easy to move users in = to, out of, and around the cloud." On Jan 28, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Hi Peter and all, >=20 > I just read the announce for this, and wonder whether to subscribe or > not. What is "Simple Cloud Identity Management"? More precise = questions: >=20 > Is "Cloud" meant to generically address netizenship or something more > specific, such as the dynamic nature of the IP assignments? >=20 More along the lines of SaaS application/software infrastructure. > Identity management describes the management of individual identities, > their authentication, authorization, roles, and > privileges/permissions. Correct? >=20 Correct. > Is there a relation with OpenID or BrowserID? =20 There will be bindings to OpenID for the purposes of just-in-time = provisioning. Same for SAML. > They both assume that > the user-ids are email addresses, but also have a framework and > definite techniques that could be standardized. Is the discussion > supposed to build on those achievements? The id is not presumed to be the user email address. =20 >=20 > TIA for any clarifications. > _______________________________________________ > scim mailing list > scim@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim --Apple-Mail=_D3044056-3C14-4AC3-B505-9D1FADA5BA07 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Alessandro,

Please see inlined.  I believe it = would be worth your time to review the use cases and specifications = found at http://www.simplecloud.info. =  I've pasted the abstract below.

"The = Simple Cloud Identity Management (SCIM) specification is designed to = make managing user identity in cloud based applications and services = easier. The specification suite seeks to build upon experience with = existing schemas and deployments, placing specific emphasis on = simplicity of development and integration, while applying existing = authentication, authorization, and privacy models. It's intent is to = reduce the cost and complexity of user management operations by = providing a common user schema and extension model, as well as binding = documents to provide patterns for exchanging this schema using standard = protocols. In essence, make it fast, cheap, and easy to move users in = to, out of, and around the cloud."

On Jan = 28, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote:

Hi = Peter and all,

I just read the announce for this, and wonder = whether to subscribe or
not.  What is "Simple Cloud Identity = Management"?  More precise questions:

Is "Cloud" meant to = generically address netizenship or something more
specific, such as = the dynamic nature of the IP assignments?

More = along the lines of SaaS application/software = infrastructure.

Identity = management describes the management of individual identities,
their = authentication, authorization, roles, and
privileges/permissions. =  Correct?

Correct.

Is there a relation with OpenID or BrowserID? =  

There will be bindings to = OpenID for the purposes of just-in-time provisioning.  Same for = SAML.

They both assume = that
the user-ids are email addresses, but also have a framework = and
definite techniques that could be standardized.  Is the = discussion
supposed to build on those = achievements?

The id is not = presumed to be the user email address.  

TIA for any = clarifications.
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scim@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/ma= ilman/listinfo/scim

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