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Hi all,

The specs dictate that each multi-valued attribute MUST only contain ONE pr=
imary value. Is there a prescribed behavior when more than one is received =
by an implementation?

Should the request fail (e.g. Return a 400)?
Or should the implementation arbitrarily assume one of such values as prima=
ry?


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I would assume fail since there is a MUST and with multiple there is no way=
 to assume which is primary or to deterministic way to determine the primar=
y given multiple

From: scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of bui=
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Subject: [scim] Multiple Primary Values

Hi all,

The specs dictate that each multi-valued attribute MUST only contain ONE pr=
imary value. Is there a prescribed behavior when more than one is received =
by an implementation?

Should the request fail (e.g. Return a 400)?
Or should the implementation arbitrarily assume one of such values as prima=
ry?


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The specs dictate that each=
 multi-valued attribute MUST only contain ONE primary value. Is there a pre=
scribed behavior when more than one is received by an implementation?<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Should the request fail (e.=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Or should the implementatio=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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Hi,

The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something in sec=
ion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name. Currently desc=
ription is only "The attribute's name.".

IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be forced =
to use camelCase. No spaces.=20

Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's better to s=
tay strict and well defined where we can.

/ Erik


On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:

> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs. costcenter)
>=20
> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names (e.g.=
 are spaces allowed)? =20
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I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to have =
issues because UserName is different from Username is different from =
userName. Ugh.

I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case =
insensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things =
REST friendly.

I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on =
top of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.

Should someone log another task/case?

Phil

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phil.hunt@oracle.com





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> Hi,
>=20
> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something =
in secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name. =
Currently description is only "The attribute's name.".
>=20
> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be =
forced to use camelCase. No spaces.=20
>=20
> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's better =
to stay strict and well defined where we can.
>=20
> / Erik
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>=20
>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs. costcenter)
>>=20
>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names =
(e.g. are spaces allowed)? =20
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
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>>=20
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Hi,

It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least dependi=
ng on your preferred language / json parser. An example in plain javascript=
.

In the following the log will output "Babs".
var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
console.log(obj.firstName);

In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname instead=
. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an "undefined".=20
var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
console.log(obj.firstName);

I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim resource, =
but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.

/ Erik


On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:

> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to have i=
ssues because UserName is different from Username is different from userNam=
e. Ugh.
>=20
> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case ins=
ensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things REST fr=
iendly.
>=20
> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on top=
 of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>=20
> Should someone log another task/case?
>=20
> Phil
>=20
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com
> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=F6m wrote:
>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something in =
secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name. Currently d=
escription is only "The attribute's name.".
>>=20
>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be forc=
ed to use camelCase. No spaces.=20
>>=20
>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's better t=
o stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>=20
>> / Erik
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>=20
>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs. costcenter)
>>>=20
>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names (e.=
g. are spaces allowed)? =20
>>>=20
>>> Phil
>>>=20
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>>> www.independentid.com
>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>=20
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It might be something that servers should normalize so clients don't have an=
 issue?

Phil

On 2013-06-07, at 4:13, Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m <erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com> w=
rote:

> Hi,
>=20
> It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least depend=
ing on your preferred language / json parser. An example in plain javascript=
.
>=20
> In the following the log will output "Babs".
> var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
> console.log(obj.firstName);
>=20
> In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname instea=
d. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an "undefined".=20
> var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
> console.log(obj.firstName);
>=20
> I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim resource,=
 but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.
>=20
> / Erik
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>=20
>> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to have i=
ssues because UserName is different from Username is different from userName=
. Ugh.
>>=20
>> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case ins=
ensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things REST fri=
endly.
>>=20
>> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on top=
 of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>>=20
>> Should someone log another task/case?
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> @independentid
>> www.independentid.com
>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something in s=
ecion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name. Currently des=
cription is only "The attribute's name.".
>>>=20
>>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be forc=
ed to use camelCase. No spaces.=20
>>>=20
>>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's better t=
o stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>>=20
>>> / Erik
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs. costcenter)
>>>>=20
>>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names (e.=
g. are spaces allowed)? =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Phil
>>>>=20
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>>>> www.independentid.com
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>>>>=20
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+1. For clarity and consistency, it would be great to have case
sensitivity.

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From: Erik Wahlstr=F6m [mailto:erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com]
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Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01

Hi,

It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least
depending on your preferred language / json parser. An example in plain
javascript.

In the following the log will output "Babs".
var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
console.log(obj.firstName);

In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname
instead. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an
"undefined".
var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
console.log(obj.firstName);

I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim resource,
but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.

/ Erik


On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:

> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to have
issues because UserName is different from Username is different from
userName. Ugh.
>
> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case
insensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things
REST friendly.
>
> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on
top of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>
> Should someone log another task/case?
>
> Phil
>
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com
> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=F6m wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something in
secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name. Currently
description is only "The attribute's name.".
>>
>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be
forced to use camelCase. No spaces.
>>
>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's better
to stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>
>> / Erik
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs. costcenter)
>>>
>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names
(e.g. are spaces allowed)?
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> @independentid
>>> www.independentid.com
>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Mark,

Are you saying you want case-sensitive?  IOW   UserName <> Username <> =
userName <> username

If case-sensitive on server-side, the concern would be a profile could =
end up with different values for Username and username.

Yet, from an information model, the intent is that it is the same =
attribute (may be I am LDAP biased?).  My worry is case-sensitivity =
would lead to issues and confusion.=20

Never-the-less, Eric makes a good point about client scripts having some =
difficulty since JSON is typically case-sensitive.

So the work-around would be that servers would always camel-case =
incoming names to create flexibility and auto-correct names.  However =
they would always be consistent when returning results.


Phil

@independentid
www.independentid.com
phil.hunt@oracle.com





On 2013-06-07, at 12:38 PM, Mark Diodati wrote:

> +1. For clarity and consistency, it would be great to have case
> sensitivity.
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Wahlstr=F6m [mailto:erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:13 AM
> To: Phil Hunt
> Cc: scim@ietf.org WG
> Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
> draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least
> depending on your preferred language / json parser. An example in =
plain
> javascript.
>=20
> In the following the log will output "Babs".
> var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
> console.log(obj.firstName);
>=20
> In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname
> instead. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an
> "undefined".
> var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
> console.log(obj.firstName);
>=20
> I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim =
resource,
> but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.
>=20
> / Erik
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>=20
>> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to =
have
> issues because UserName is different from Username is different from
> userName. Ugh.
>>=20
>> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case
> insensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things
> REST friendly.
>>=20
>> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on
> top of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>>=20
>> Should someone log another task/case?
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> @independentid
>> www.independentid.com
>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=F6m wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something =
in
> secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name. =
Currently
> description is only "The attribute's name.".
>>>=20
>>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be
> forced to use camelCase. No spaces.
>>>=20
>>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's =
better
> to stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>>=20
>>> / Erik
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs. =
costcenter)
>>>>=20
>>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names
> (e.g. are spaces allowed)?
>>>>=20
>>>> Phil
>>>>=20
>>>> @independentid
>>>> www.independentid.com
>>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
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Hi Phil,

Thanks for fleshing this out! It makes good sense that the SP will serve
up case sensitive names to the consumer, but accept some case variation
from the consumer.

Mark

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Cc: Erik Wahlstr=F6m; scim@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01

Mark,

Are you saying you want case-sensitive?  IOW   UserName <> Username <>
userName <> username

If case-sensitive on server-side, the concern would be a profile could end
up with different values for Username and username.

Yet, from an information model, the intent is that it is the same
attribute (may be I am LDAP biased?).  My worry is case-sensitivity would
lead to issues and confusion.

Never-the-less, Eric makes a good point about client scripts having some
difficulty since JSON is typically case-sensitive.

So the work-around would be that servers would always camel-case incoming
names to create flexibility and auto-correct names.  However they would
always be consistent when returning results.


Phil

@independentid
www.independentid.com
phil.hunt@oracle.com





On 2013-06-07, at 12:38 PM, Mark Diodati wrote:

> +1. For clarity and consistency, it would be great to have case
> sensitivity.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Wahlstr=F6m [mailto:erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:13 AM
> To: Phil Hunt
> Cc: scim@ietf.org WG
> Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
> draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01
>
> Hi,
>
> It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least
> depending on your preferred language / json parser. An example in
> plain javascript.
>
> In the following the log will output "Babs".
> var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
> console.log(obj.firstName);
>
> In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname
> instead. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an
> "undefined".
> var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
> console.log(obj.firstName);
>
> I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim
> resource, but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.
>
> / Erik
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>
>> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to
>> have
> issues because UserName is different from Username is different from
> userName. Ugh.
>>
>> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case
> insensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things
> REST friendly.
>>
>> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on
> top of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>>
>> Should someone log another task/case?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> @independentid
>> www.independentid.com
>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=F6m wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something
>>> in
> secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name.
> Currently description is only "The attribute's name.".
>>>
>>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be
> forced to use camelCase. No spaces.
>>>
>>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's
>>> better
> to stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>>
>>> / Erik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs.
>>>> costcenter)
>>>>
>>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names
> (e.g. are spaces allowed)?
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>> @independentid
>>>> www.independentid.com
>>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Hi,

It's certainly a valid point that we do not want to create two different ob=
jects for username and UserName. How about making it very obvious that the =
spec is case-sensitive and return a 400 bad request if someone sends Userna=
me instead of userName? That would solve the problem with duplicates and ke=
ep the spec strict and implementations more interoperable.

/ Erik


On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 PM, Mark Diodati wrote:

> Hi Phil,
>=20
> Thanks for fleshing this out! It makes good sense that the SP will serve
> up case sensitive names to the consumer, but accept some case variation
> from the consumer.
>=20
> Mark
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Hunt [mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:44 PM
> To: Mark Diodati
> Cc: Erik Wahlstr=F6m; scim@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
> draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01
>=20
> Mark,
>=20
> Are you saying you want case-sensitive?  IOW   UserName <> Username <>
> userName <> username
>=20
> If case-sensitive on server-side, the concern would be a profile could en=
d
> up with different values for Username and username.
>=20
> Yet, from an information model, the intent is that it is the same
> attribute (may be I am LDAP biased?).  My worry is case-sensitivity would
> lead to issues and confusion.
>=20
> Never-the-less, Eric makes a good point about client scripts having some
> difficulty since JSON is typically case-sensitive.
>=20
> So the work-around would be that servers would always camel-case incoming
> names to create flexibility and auto-correct names.  However they would
> always be consistent when returning results.
>=20
>=20
> Phil
>=20
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com
> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 2013-06-07, at 12:38 PM, Mark Diodati wrote:
>=20
>> +1. For clarity and consistency, it would be great to have case
>> sensitivity.
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Erik Wahlstr=F6m [mailto:erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:13 AM
>> To: Phil Hunt
>> Cc: scim@ietf.org WG
>> Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
>> draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least
>> depending on your preferred language / json parser. An example in
>> plain javascript.
>>=20
>> In the following the log will output "Babs".
>> var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
>> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
>> console.log(obj.firstName);
>>=20
>> In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname
>> instead. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an
>> "undefined".
>> var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
>> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
>> console.log(obj.firstName);
>>=20
>> I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim
>> resource, but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.
>>=20
>> / Erik
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>=20
>>> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to
>>> have
>> issues because UserName is different from Username is different from
>> userName. Ugh.
>>>=20
>>> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case
>> insensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things
>> REST friendly.
>>>=20
>>> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on
>> top of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>>>=20
>>> Should someone log another task/case?
>>>=20
>>> Phil
>>>=20
>>> @independentid
>>> www.independentid.com
>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=F6m wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hi,
>>>>=20
>>>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something
>>>> in
>> secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name.
>> Currently description is only "The attribute's name.".
>>>>=20
>>>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be
>> forced to use camelCase. No spaces.
>>>>=20
>>>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's
>>>> better
>> to stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>>>=20
>>>> / Erik
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs.
>>>>> costcenter)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names
>> (e.g. are spaces allowed)?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>=20
>>>>> @independentid
>>>>> www.independentid.com
>>>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
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I think that leads to a lot of practical interop problems. We can learn from=
 ldap/x500 on this. Too strict and things break all the time. In this case, t=
he intent is always clear so why throw errors?

Phil

On 2013-06-11, at 4:10, Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m <erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com> w=
rote:

> Hi,
>=20
> It's certainly a valid point that we do not want to create two different o=
bjects for username and UserName. How about making it very obvious that the s=
pec is case-sensitive and return a 400 bad request if someone sends Username=
 instead of userName? That would solve the problem with duplicates and keep t=
he spec strict and implementations more interoperable.
>=20
> / Erik
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 PM, Mark Diodati wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Phil,
>>=20
>> Thanks for fleshing this out! It makes good sense that the SP will serve
>> up case sensitive names to the consumer, but accept some case variation
>> from the consumer.
>>=20
>> Mark
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phil Hunt [mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 2:44 PM
>> To: Mark Diodati
>> Cc: Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m; scim@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
>> draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01
>>=20
>> Mark,
>>=20
>> Are you saying you want case-sensitive?  IOW   UserName <> Username <>
>> userName <> username
>>=20
>> If case-sensitive on server-side, the concern would be a profile could en=
d
>> up with different values for Username and username.
>>=20
>> Yet, from an information model, the intent is that it is the same
>> attribute (may be I am LDAP biased?).  My worry is case-sensitivity would=

>> lead to issues and confusion.
>>=20
>> Never-the-less, Eric makes a good point about client scripts having some
>> difficulty since JSON is typically case-sensitive.
>>=20
>> So the work-around would be that servers would always camel-case incoming=

>> names to create flexibility and auto-correct names.  However they would
>> always be consistent when returning results.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> @independentid
>> www.independentid.com
>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 2013-06-07, at 12:38 PM, Mark Diodati wrote:
>>=20
>>> +1. For clarity and consistency, it would be great to have case
>>> sensitivity.
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m [mailto:erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:13 AM
>>> To: Phil Hunt
>>> Cc: scim@ietf.org WG
>>> Subject: Re: [scim] attribute name questions on
>>> draft-ietf-scim-core-schema-01
>>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> It's much easier to to parsing when it's strictly defined. At least
>>> depending on your preferred language / json parser. An example in
>>> plain javascript.
>>>=20
>>> In the following the log will output "Babs".
>>> var json =3D '{"firstName":"Babs"}';
>>> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
>>> console.log(obj.firstName);
>>>=20
>>> In this example the name of the argument firstName is nor Firstname
>>> instead. The code will not find the attribute and you will get an
>>> "undefined".
>>> var json =3D '{"Firstname":"Babs"}';
>>> var obj =3D JSON.parse(json);
>>> console.log(obj.firstName);
>>>=20
>>> I'm not saying you shouldn't do more parsing then that on a scim
>>> resource, but I don't see that it's enough upside to allow it.
>>>=20
>>> / Erik
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> I too like camelCase.  However I would be concerned if we start to
>>>> have
>>> issues because UserName is different from Username is different from
>>> userName. Ugh.
>>>>=20
>>>> I propose that for the purposes of SCIM, that attribute names be case
>>> insensitive but that servers return names in camel-case to keep things
>>> REST friendly.
>>>>=20
>>>> I think it is also easier for those implementers that are building on
>>> top of LDAP where LDAP is not case sensitive on names.
>>>>=20
>>>> Should someone log another task/case?
>>>>=20
>>>> Phil
>>>>=20
>>>> @independentid
>>>> www.independentid.com
>>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On 2013-06-05, at 1:28 AM, Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The spec don't really say anything about it. We should add something
>>>>> in
>>> secion 10.  Resource Schema when we talk about attributes.name.
>>> Currently description is only "The attribute's name.".
>>>>>=20
>>>>> IMHO the attributes are case sensitive and any extensions should be
>>> forced to use camelCase. No spaces.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Don't really see the upside of having it the other way and it's
>>>>> better
>>> to stay strict and well defined where we can.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> / Erik
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Are attribute names cases sensitive? (eg. costCenter vs.
>>>>>> costcenter)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> When schema is extended what are the limitations on attribute names
>>> (e.g. are spaces allowed)?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> @independentid
>>>>>> www.independentid.com
>>>>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
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Hello SCIM list

My team are currently implementing SCIM on our platform and have found a 
curious anomaly which seems to not make any sense. Please accept my 
apologies if this mater has previously been raised or is part of an old 
draft.

  * The SCIM API Draft specification states that "Consumers ... MAY
    specify the desired response data format via an HTTP Accept Header;
    e.g.,"Accept: application/json" *or via URI suffix; e.g., GET
    /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.json*" (section 3.6 of
    draft-ietf-scim-api-01)
  * Although the same section does not state that Service Providers MUST
    support URI suffixes as an alternative indication of the Consumer's
    desired response, it is implied
  * Since the URI suffix appears as part of the resource identifier,
    before the ? (see RFC3986 section 3.3, "Path"), appending different
    suffixes effectively implies a different resource, so that
    *2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646*,
    *2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.xml* and
    *2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.json* are canonically
    different. /Representation/ should not be confused with /Resource
    Identification/
  * Use of URI suffixes to indicate content-type is a throwback to
    filesystem-based web servers which use filename extensions to deduce
    content-type, which are unlikely to be used to build SCIM
    implementations, and is thus not relevant to this spec
  * We would like to motion to have the requirement that "Consumers ...
    MAY specify the desired response data format ... via URI suffix" be
    removed from the daft spec.

Thanks

Alex

-- 
Alex Redston

Technical Architect, Managing Director
Switch Research Limited

+44 1328 838821
+44 7973 320795


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    Hello SCIM list<br>
    <br>
    My team are currently implementing SCIM on our platform and have
    found a curious anomaly which seems to not make any sense. Please
    accept my apologies if this mater has previously been raised or is
    part of an old draft.<br>
    <ul style="list-style-type: disc">
      <li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
        Helvetica">The SCIM API Draft specification states that
        "Consumers &#8230; MAY specify the desired response data format via an
        HTTP Accept Header; e.g.,"Accept: application/json" <b>or via
          URI suffix; e.g., GET
          /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.json</b>" (section
        3.6 of draft-ietf-scim-api-01)</li>
      <li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
        Helvetica">Although the same section does not state that Service
        Providers MUST support URI suffixes as an alternative indication
        of the Consumer's desired response, it is implied</li>
      <li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
        Helvetica">Since the URI suffix appears as part of the resource
        identifier, before the ? (see RFC3986 section 3.3, "Path"),
        appending different suffixes effectively implies a different
        resource, so that <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646</b>,
        <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.xml</b> and <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.json</b>
        are canonically different. <i>Representation</i> should not be
        confused with <i>Resource Identification</i></li>
      <li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
        Helvetica">Use of URI suffixes to indicate content-type is a
        throwback to filesystem-based web servers which use filename
        extensions to deduce content-type, which are unlikely to be used
        to build SCIM implementations, and is thus not relevant to this
        spec</li>
      <li style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px
        Helvetica">We would like to motion to have the requirement that
        "Consumers &#8230; MAY specify the desired response data format &#8230; via
        URI suffix" be removed from the daft spec.</li>
    </ul>
    <p>Thanks<br>
    </p>
    <p>Alex</p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Alex Redston

Technical Architect, Managing Director
Switch Research Limited

+44 1328 838821
+44 7973 320795</pre>
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URI suffixes were initially supported because they are fairly commonly used=
 in REST APIs to denote the response type and are especially useful if a cl=
ient can't easily set the "Accept" request header.  However, since the -01 =
draft has dropped support for the XML data format, I would be in favor of d=
ropping this.  Alex, could you please open an issue for this and propose so=
me text changes?  http://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/

Thanks for the feedback.

--Kelly


From: scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ale=
x Redston
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:55 AM
To: scim@ietf.org
Subject: [scim] URI suffixes in SCIM

Hello SCIM list

My team are currently implementing SCIM on our platform and have found a cu=
rious anomaly which seems to not make any sense. Please accept my apologies=
 if this mater has previously been raised or is part of an old draft.

  *   The SCIM API Draft specification states that "Consumers ... MAY speci=
fy the desired response data format via an HTTP Accept Header; e.g.,"Accept=
: application/json" or via URI suffix; e.g., GET /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-=
919d-413861904646.json" (section 3.6 of draft-ietf-scim-api-01)
  *   Although the same section does not state that Service Providers MUST =
support URI suffixes as an alternative indication of the Consumer's desired=
 response, it is implied
  *   Since the URI suffix appears as part of the resource identifier, befo=
re the ? (see RFC3986 section 3.3, "Path"), appending different suffixes ef=
fectively implies a different resource, so that 2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413=
861904646, 2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.xml and 2819c223-7f76-453a-=
919d-413861904646.json are canonically different. Representation should not=
 be confused with Resource Identification
  *   Use of URI suffixes to indicate content-type is a throwback to filesy=
stem-based web servers which use filename extensions to deduce content-type=
, which are unlikely to be used to build SCIM implementations, and is thus =
not relevant to this spec
  *   We would like to motion to have the requirement that "Consumers ... M=
AY specify the desired response data format ... via URI suffix" be removed =
from the daft spec.

Thanks

Alex

--

Alex Redston



Technical Architect, Managing Director

Switch Research Limited



+44 1328 838821

+44 7973 320795

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 easily set the &#8220;Accept&#8221; request header.&nbsp; However, since t=
he -01 draft has dropped support for the XML data format, I would be in fav=
or of dropping this.&nbsp; Alex, could you please open an issue for this an=
d propose some text changes?&nbsp;
</span><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/=
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&quot;;color:windowtext"> scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.o=
rg]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Redston<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> scim@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [scim] URI suffixes in SCIM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello SCIM list<br>
<br>
My team are currently implementing SCIM on our platform and have found a cu=
rious anomaly which seems to not make any sense. Please accept my apologies=
 if this mater has previously been raised or is part of an old draft.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The=
 SCIM API Draft specification states that &quot;Consumers &#8230; MAY speci=
fy the desired response data format via an HTTP Accept Header; e.g.,&quot;A=
ccept:
 application/json&quot; <b>or via URI suffix; e.g., GET /Users/2819c223-7f7=
6-453a-919d-413861904646.json</b>&quot; (section 3.6 of draft-ietf-scim-api=
-01)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 lev=
el1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,=
&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Although the same section does not state that Servi=
ce Providers MUST support URI suffixes as an alternative indication of the =
Consumer's
 desired response, it is implied<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Since the URI suffix ap=
pears as part of the resource identifier, before the ? (see RFC3986 section=
 3.3, &quot;Path&quot;), appending different suffixes
 effectively implies a different resource, so that <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-91=
9d-413861904646</b>,
<b>2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.xml</b> and <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-9=
19d-413861904646.json</b> are canonically different.
<i>Representation</i> should not be confused with <i>Resource Identificatio=
n</i><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 le=
vel1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Use of URI suffixes to indicate content-type is a =
throwback to filesystem-based web servers which use filename extensions to =
deduce content-type,
 which are unlikely to be used to build SCIM implementations, and is thus n=
ot relevant to this spec<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" styl=
e=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">We would like to motion to have=
 the requirement that &quot;Consumers &#8230; MAY specify the desired respo=
nse data format &#8230; via URI suffix&quot; be removed
 from the daft spec.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Alex<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Alex Redston<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Technical Architect, Managing Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Switch Research Limited<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>&#43;44 1328 838821<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&#43;44 7973 320795<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Is there any guidance in the specifications regarding providing additional
resource types? There is some documentation and some discussion/tickets
regarding schema extensions for existing resource types (i.e. User and
Group), but I wanted to confirm my assumptions about extending the core
resource to provide new resource types.

For example, if a new resource of type "Foo" is exposed at an endpoint
"/Foos", is the representation expected to look something like the
following, where the extended resource attributes are provided in the same
manner as extended attributes on existing resources?

POST /Foos
{
    "schemas": [
        "urn:scim:schemas:core:1.0",
        "urn:company:scim:schemas:extension:foo:1.0"
    ],
    "externalId": "foo-1234",
    "urn:company:scim:schemas:extension:foo:1.0": {
        "displayName": "Foo Bar",
        "bars": [
            {
                "value": "abc"
            },
            {
                "value": "xyz"
            }
        ]
    }
}

The SCIM core specification seems to describe the extension model with
respect to extending existing User and Group resources/endpoints, but isn't
as clear about creating new types or extending the "CoreResource" [1].

[1] http://www.simplecloud.info/

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Is there any guidance in the specifications regarding prov=
iding additional resource types? There is some documentation and some discu=
ssion/tickets regarding schema extensions for existing resource types (i.e.=
 User and Group), but I wanted to confirm my assumptions about extending th=
e core resource to provide new resource types.<br>
<br>For example, if a new resource of type &quot;Foo&quot; is exposed at an=
 endpoint &quot;/Foos&quot;, is the representation expected to look somethi=
ng like the following, where the extended resource attributes are provided =
in the same manner as extended attributes on existing resources?<br>
<span style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br>POST /Foos<br>{<br>=
=A0=A0=A0 &quot;schemas&quot;: [<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &quot;urn:scim:sc=
hemas:core:1.0&quot;,<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &quot;urn:company:scim:schem=
as:extension:foo:1.0&quot;<br>=A0=A0=A0 ],<br>
=A0=A0=A0 &quot;externalId&quot;: &quot;foo-1234&quot;,<br>=A0=A0=A0 &quot;=
urn:company:scim:schemas:extension:foo:1.0&quot;: {<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 &quot;displayName&quot;: &quot;Foo Bar&quot;,<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
&quot;bars&quot;: [<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 {<br>
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &quot;value&quot;: &quot;abc&=
quot;<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 },<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0 {<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &quot;value&qu=
ot;: &quot;xyz&quot;<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 }<br>=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0 ]<br>=A0=A0=A0 }<br>}</span><br><br>The SCIM core specification s=
eems to describe the extension model with respect to extending existing Use=
r and Group resources/endpoints, but isn&#39;t as clear about creating new =
types or extending the &quot;CoreResource&quot; [1].<br>
<br>[1] <a href=3D"http://www.simplecloud.info/">http://www.simplecloud.inf=
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Hello chairs and WG participants,

Some time ago, the authors revised the use case document and uploaded a new=
 reversion:
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-zeltsan-scim-use-cases-01.txt

The WG discussed this draft in Atlanta F2F meeting. There were proposals to=
 combine the use case document with the scenario document, we did that. Als=
o we resolved the comments from several reviewers, both offline comments an=
d comments from the mailing list. We believe it is in a good shape now.

We would like to request the WG to review this document, and consider WG ad=
option.

Any feedback is welcome!

Thanks a lot.

Kind Regards
Kepeng


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cussed this draft in Atlanta F2F meeting. There were proposals to combine t=
he use case document with the scenario document, we did that.
 Also we resolved the comments from several reviewers, both offline comment=
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Hi Shelley,

There is nothing currently in the spec that spells this out, but this seems=
 like the correct way to define a new resource type to me.  You would also =
want to make sure that the /Schemas endpoint returns information about this=
 resource type.

Issue 38 (http://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/trac/ticket/38) addresses some clar=
ifications around extensions.  I'll make a note in this issue that we shoul=
d document an example of how to create a new resource type.

--Kelly

From: scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of She=
lley
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:54 PM
To: scim@ietf.org
Subject: [scim] Custom Resource Types

Is there any guidance in the specifications regarding providing additional =
resource types? There is some documentation and some discussion/tickets reg=
arding schema extensions for existing resource types (i.e. User and Group),=
 but I wanted to confirm my assumptions about extending the core resource t=
o provide new resource types.

For example, if a new resource of type "Foo" is exposed at an endpoint "/Fo=
os", is the representation expected to look something like the following, w=
here the extended resource attributes are provided in the same manner as ex=
tended attributes on existing resources?

POST /Foos
{
    "schemas": [
        "urn:scim:schemas:core:1.0",
        "urn:company:scim:schemas:extension:foo:1.0"
    ],
    "externalId": "foo-1234",
    "urn:company:scim:schemas:extension:foo:1.0": {
        "displayName": "Foo Bar",
        "bars": [
            {
                "value": "abc"
            },
            {
                "value": "xyz"
            }
        ]
    }
}

The SCIM core specification seems to describe the extension model with resp=
ect to extending existing User and Group resources/endpoints, but isn't as =
clear about creating new types or extending the "CoreResource" [1].

[1] http://www.simplecloud.info/

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Shelley,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">There is nothing currentl=
y in the spec that spells this out, but this seems like the correct way to =
define a new resource type to me.&nbsp; You would also want to
 make sure that the /Schemas endpoint returns information about this resour=
ce type.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Issue 38 (<a href=3D"http=
://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/trac/ticket/38">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/tra=
c/ticket/38</a>) addresses some clarifications around extensions.&nbsp;
 I&#8217;ll make a note in this issue that we should document an example of=
 how to create a new resource type.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">--Kelly<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> scim-bou=
nces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shelley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> scim@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [scim] Custom Resource Types<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is there any guidance in the specifications regardin=
g providing additional resource types? There is some documentation and some=
 discussion/tickets regarding schema extensions for existing resource types=
 (i.e. User and Group), but I wanted
 to confirm my assumptions about extending the core resource to provide new=
 resource types.<br>
<br>
For example, if a new resource of type &quot;Foo&quot; is exposed at an end=
point &quot;/Foos&quot;, is the representation expected to look something l=
ike the following, where the extended resource attributes are provided in t=
he same manner as extended attributes on existing resources?<br>
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
POST /Foos<br>
{<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;schemas&quot;: [<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;urn:scim:schemas:core:1.0&=
quot;,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;urn:company:scim:schemas:e=
xtension:foo:1.0&quot;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ],<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;externalId&quot;: &quot;foo-1234&quot;,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;urn:company:scim:schemas:extension:foo:1.0&quot;: =
{<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;displayName&quot;: &quot;F=
oo Bar&quot;,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;bars&quot;: [<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;value&quot;: &quot;abc&quot;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; },<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;value&quot;: &quot;xyz&quot;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ]<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }<br>
}</span><br>
<br>
The SCIM core specification seems to describe the extension model with resp=
ect to extending existing User and Group resources/endpoints, but isn't as =
clear about creating new types or extending the &quot;CoreResource&quot; [1=
].<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"http://www.simplecloud.info/">http://www.simplecloud.info/</=
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+1 to remove it

After Kelly's comment we could remove all text on accept header.

Sent from my iPhone

On 12 jun 2013, at 22:08, Kelly Grizzle <kelly.grizzle@sailpoint.com> wrote=
:

  URI suffixes were initially supported because they are fairly commonly
used in REST APIs to denote the response type and are especially useful if
a client can=92t easily set the =93Accept=94 request header.  However, sinc=
e the
-01 draft has dropped support for the XML data format, I would be in favor
of dropping this.  Alex, could you please open an issue for this and
propose some text changes?  http://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/



Thanks for the feedback.



--Kelly





*From:* scim-bounces@ietf.org
[mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org<scim-bounces@ietf.org>]
*On Behalf Of *Alex Redston
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:55 AM
*To:* scim@ietf.org
*Subject:* [scim] URI suffixes in SCIM



Hello SCIM list

My team are currently implementing SCIM on our platform and have found a
curious anomaly which seems to not make any sense. Please accept my
apologies if this mater has previously been raised or is part of an old
draft.

   - The SCIM API Draft specification states that "Consumers =85 MAY specif=
y
   the desired response data format via an HTTP Accept Header; e.g.,"Accept=
:
   application/json" *or via URI suffix; e.g., GET
   /Users/2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.json*" (section 3.6 of
   draft-ietf-scim-api-01)
   - Although the same section does not state that Service Providers MUST
   support URI suffixes as an alternative indication of the Consumer's desi=
red
   response, it is implied
   - Since the URI suffix appears as part of the resource identifier,
   before the ? (see RFC3986 section 3.3, "Path"), appending different
   suffixes effectively implies a different resource, so that *
   2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646*, *
   2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.xml* and *
   2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.json* are canonically different. *
   Representation* should not be confused with *Resource Identification*
   - Use of URI suffixes to indicate content-type is a throwback to
   filesystem-based web servers which use filename extensions to deduce
   content-type, which are unlikely to be used to build SCIM implementation=
s,
   and is thus not relevant to this spec
   - We would like to motion to have the requirement that "Consumers =85 MA=
Y
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ly supported because they are fairly commonly used in REST APIs to denote t=
he response type and are especially useful if a client can=92t
 easily set the =93Accept=94 request header.=A0 However, since the -01 draf=
t has dropped support for the XML data format, I would be in favor of dropp=
ing this.=A0 Alex, could you please open an issue for this and propose some=
 text changes?=A0
</span><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/wg/scim/">http://tools.ietf.org/wg/=
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=A0</span></p>
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif=
&quot;;color:windowtext"> <a href=3D"mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org">scim-bou=
nces@ietf.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:scim-bou=
nces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alex Redston<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:scim@ietf.org">scim@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [scim] URI suffixes in SCIM</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello SCIM list<br>
<br>
My team are currently implementing SCIM on our platform and have found a cu=
rious anomaly which seems to not make any sense. Please accept my apologies=
 if this mater has previously been raised or is part of an old draft.</p>

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<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The SCIM API Draft specificatio=
n states that &quot;Consumers =85 MAY specify the desired response data for=
mat via an HTTP Accept Header; e.g.,&quot;Accept:
 application/json&quot; <b>or via URI suffix; e.g., GET /Users/2819c223-7f7=
6-453a-919d-413861904646.json</b>&quot; (section 3.6 of draft-ietf-scim-api=
-01)</span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style><span style=3D"font-size:9.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Although the sa=
me section does not state that Service Providers MUST support URI suffixes =
as an alternative indication of the Consumer&#39;s
 desired response, it is implied</span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style><=
span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-=
serif&quot;">Since the URI suffix appears as part of the resource identifie=
r, before the ? (see RFC3986 section 3.3, &quot;Path&quot;), appending diff=
erent suffixes
 effectively implies a different resource, so that <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-91=
9d-413861904646</b>,
<b>2819c223-7f76-453a-919d-413861904646.xml</b> and <b>2819c223-7f76-453a-9=
19d-413861904646.json</b> are canonically different.
<i>Representation</i> should not be confused with <i>Resource Identificatio=
n</i></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style><span style=3D"font-size:9.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Use of URI suf=
fixes to indicate content-type is a throwback to filesystem-based web serve=
rs which use filename extensions to deduce content-type,
 which are unlikely to be used to build SCIM implementations, and is thus n=
ot relevant to this spec</span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;">We would like to motion to have the requirement that &quot;Consumers =
=85 MAY specify the desired response data format =85 via URI suffix&quot; b=
e removed
 from the daft spec.</span></li></ul>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Alex</p>
<pre>-- </pre>
<pre>Alex Redston</pre>
<pre>=A0</pre>
<pre>Technical Architect, Managing Director</pre>
<pre>Switch Research Limited</pre>
<pre>=A0</pre>
<pre>+44 1328 838821</pre>
<pre>+44 7973 320795</pre>
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> So far we have two agenda items for the June 26th meeting:
>
> -Schema discussions
> -Language tagging of values
>
> The instructions to get on the meeting is listed below in case you missed
> the email that went to the list.

In case it helps anyone, attached is an ICS file for the dates up to
the Berlin IETF meeting (three calls).

Barry

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Please see attached PDF for Wednesday.  Note: Though I intend to publish =
the related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not =
published yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason =
for raising the language issue.

Phil

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On 2013-06-23, at 9:52 PM, Morteza Ansari (moransar) wrote:

> Hello everyone,
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<div>Hello everyone,</div>
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<div>So far we have two agenda items for the June 26th meeting:</div>
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<div>-Schema discussions</div>
<div>-Language tagging of values</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Morteza</div>
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Hi Phil,

Thanks for the notes in advance of the call.  Here's a question that may be=
 useful point to talk about and mull over:

I'm not very clear on the need of the provisioning API to be language aware=
 more so than say something like an LDAP server is aware of it's clients la=
nguage considerations.

I think this problem has been encountered before in the land of LDAP and co=
vered well in RFC 4512, specifically section 2.5.2.1 where it talks about h=
ow to decorate(my word, not the spec. word) values with options of attribut=
es.   This could be things like language or even preferred values, it's wid=
e open really and could be used for lots of things like preferred value or =
even forced ordering.

Would it make more sense to model SCIMs interaction with  language and attr=
ibutes to a pre-existing standard and just reference it rather than mint a =
new way?

This would make it quite easy to have SCIM data stores in LDAP and they sho=
uld 'just work' since it's part of the LDAP spec to manage options =97 or a=
t least make it easier to store things with less effort.

Chris.


From: Phil Hunt <phil.hunt@oracle.com<mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com>>
Date: Monday, 24 June, 2013 5:28 PM
To: Morteza Ansari <moransar@cisco.com<mailto:moransar@cisco.com>>
Cc: "scim@ietf.org<mailto:scim@ietf.org>" <scim@ietf.org<mailto:scim@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf call agenda

Please see attached PDF for Wednesday.  Note: Though I intend to publish th=
e related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not publish=
ed yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason for raisin=
g the language issue.

Phil

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On 2013-06-23, at 9:52 PM, Morteza Ansari (moransar) wrote:

Hello everyone,

So far we have two agenda items for the June 26th meeting:

-Schema discussions
-Language tagging of values

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x; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Hi Phil,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Thanks for the notes in advance of the call. &nbsp;Here's a question tha=
t may be useful point to talk about and mull over:</div><div><br></div><div=
>I'm not very clear on the need of the provisioning API to be language awar=
e more so than say something like an LDAP server is aware of it's clients l=
anguage considerations.</div><div><br></div><div>I think this problem has b=
een encountered before in the land of LDAP and covered well in RFC 4512, sp=
ecifically section 2.5.2.1 where it talks about how to decorate(my word, no=
t the spec. word) values with options of attributes. &nbsp; This could be t=
hings like language or even preferred values, it's wide open really and cou=
ld be used for lots of things like preferred value or even forced ordering.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Would it make more sense to model SCIMs interacti=
on with &nbsp;language and attributes to a pre-existing standard and just r=
eference it rather than mint a new way?</div><div><br></div><div>This would=
 make it quite easy to have SCIM data stores in LDAP and they should 'just =
work' since it's part of the LDAP spec to manage options =97 or at least ma=
ke it easier to store things with less effort.</div><div><br></div><div>Chr=
is.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><d=
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hunt@oracle.com</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span> M=
onday, 24 June, 2013 5:28 PM<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span=
> Morteza Ansari &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:moransar@cisco.com">moransar@cisco.c=
om</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> &quot;<a href=3D=
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div><div><div style=3D"">Please see attached PDF for Wednesday. &nbsp;Note:=
 Though I intend to publish the related draft to IETF soon, I'm still worki=
ng on it (and have not published yet). &nbsp;Still the issues in finishing =
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<div><br><div><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D""><span class=3D"=
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sp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; fon=
t-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma=
, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-sty=
le-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif,=
 Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Ge=
neva; ">Topic: Bi-weekly SCIM WG&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-s=
pan" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Hel=
vetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"fo=
nt-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; =
">Date: Every 2 weeks on Wednesday, from Wednesday, June 26, 2013 to no end=
 date&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: sm=
all; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></spa=
n><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family=
: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">Time: 10:00 am, Pacific D=
aylight Time (San Francisco, GMT-07:00)&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-=
style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-ser=
if, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" styl=
e=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, G=
eneva; ">Meeting Number: 341 774 049&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-sty=
le-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif,=
 Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Ge=
neva; ">Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)&nbsp;=
</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-f=
amily: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span cla=
ss=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, A=
rial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-=
span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, He=
lvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"f=
ont-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva;=
 "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; fon=
t-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma=
, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">---------------------------------=
----------------------&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Ge=
neva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: s=
mall; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">To join =
the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_=
Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sa=
ns-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span=
" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvet=
ica, Geneva; ">-------------------------------------------------------&nbsp=
;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-=
family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span cl=
ass=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, =
Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">1. Go to&nbsp;</span><span class=3D=
"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial,=
 sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"https://go.webex.com/go/j.php?=
ED=3D151921872&amp;UID=3D0&amp;RT=3DMiM0" target=3D"_blank">https://go.webe=
x.com/go/j.php?ED=3D151921872&amp;UID=3D0&amp;RT=3DMiM0</a></span><span cla=
ss=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, A=
rial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-=
style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-ser=
if, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" styl=
e=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, G=
eneva; ">2. If requested, enter your name and email address.&nbsp;</span><s=
pan class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Ta=
homa, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_A=
pple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, san=
s-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">3. If a password is required, enter the meeti=
ng password: (This meeting does not require a password.)&nbsp;</span><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma=
, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple=
-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-se=
rif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">4. Click &quot;Join&quot;.&nbsp;</span><span clas=
s=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Ar=
ial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-sty=
le-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif,=
 Helvetica, Geneva; ">5. Follow the instructions that appear on your screen=
.&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;=
 font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><s=
pan class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Ta=
homa, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple=
-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-se=
rif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" sty=
le=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, =
Geneva; ">To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:&=
nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; f=
ont-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><spa=
n class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Taho=
ma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-s=
tyle-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-seri=
f, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"https://go.webex.com/go/j.php?ED=3D15192=
1872&amp;UID=3D0&amp;ORT=3DMiM0" target=3D"_blank">https://go.webex.com/go/=
j.php?ED=3D151921872&amp;UID=3D0&amp;ORT=3DMiM0</a></span><span class=3D"x_=
Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sa=
ns-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-sp=
an" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helv=
etica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"fon=
t-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "=
></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-=
family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span cl=
ass=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, =
Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">-----------------------------------=
--------------------&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Ge=
neva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: s=
mall; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">To join =
the audio conference only&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" st=
yle=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica,=
 Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size=
: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">-----=
--------------------------------------------------&nbsp;</span><span class=
=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Ari=
al, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, =
Helvetica, Geneva; ">To receive a call back, provide your phone number when=
 you join the meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.&=
nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; f=
ont-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><spa=
n class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Taho=
ma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">US Toll free: 1-855-797-9485&nb=
sp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; fon=
t-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma=
, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">US Toll: &#43;1-415-655-0002&nbsp=
;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-=
family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span cl=
ass=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, =
Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">Global call-in numbers:&nbsp;</span=
><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family:=
 Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"https://go.webe=
x.com/go/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&amp;ED=3D151921872&amp;tollFree=
=3D1" target=3D"_blank">https://go.webex.com/go/globalcallin.php?serviceTyp=
e=3DMC&amp;ED=3D151921872&amp;tollFree=3D1</a></span><span class=3D"x_Apple=
-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-se=
rif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" s=
tyle=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica=
, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">Toll=
-free dialing restrictions:&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetic=
a, Geneva; "><a href=3D"http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf</a></=
span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-fam=
ily: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span cla=
ss=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, A=
rial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-st=
yle-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif=
, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"f=
ont-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva;=
 "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;=
 font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">Access code:3=
41 774 049&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br>=
</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-f=
amily: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=
=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Ari=
al, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, =
Helvetica, Geneva; ">------------------------------------------------------=
-&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;=
 font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><s=
pan class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Ta=
homa, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">For assistance&nbsp;</span><s=
pan class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Ta=
homa, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_A=
pple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, san=
s-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">---------------------------------------------=
----------&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-siz=
e: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br>=
</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-f=
amily: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">1. Go to&nbsp;</span=
><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family:=
 Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"https://go.webe=
x.com/go/mc" target=3D"_blank">https://go.webex.com/go/mc</a></span><span c=
lass=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma,=
 Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Appl=
e-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-s=
erif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" st=
yle=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica,=
 Geneva; ">2. On the left navigation bar, click &quot;Support&quot;.&nbsp;<=
/span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-fa=
mily: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span clas=
s=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Ar=
ial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-s=
pan" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Hel=
vetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"fo=
nt-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; =
">You can contact me at:&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" sty=
le=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, =
Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size:=
 small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span=
><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family:=
 Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"mailto:moransar=
@cisco.com">moransar@cisco.com</a></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span"=
 style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helveti=
ca, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font=
-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">=
<br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; fo=
nt-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">1-408 566-5647&n=
bsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; fo=
nt-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span=
 class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahom=
a, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-st=
yle-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif=
, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Ge=
neva; ">To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example Micros=
oft Outlook), click this link:&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-spa=
n" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helve=
tica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font=
-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">=
</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-f=
amily: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"https://g=
o.webex.com/go/j.php?ED=3D151921872&amp;UID=3D0&amp;ICS=3DUMI&amp;LD=3D1&am=
p;RD=3D2&amp;ST=3D1&amp;SHA2=3DAAAAAbbMkYcCapya/yraKkwwjGVjg18L/FhwVs9bOtE5=
VNyE&amp;RT=3DMiM0" target=3D"_blank">https://go.webex.com/go/j.php?ED=3D15=
1921872&amp;UID=3D0&amp;ICS=3DUMI&amp;LD=3D1&amp;RD=3D2&amp;ST=3D1&amp;SHA2=
=3DAAAAAbbMkYcCapya/yraKkwwjGVjg18L/FhwVs9bOtE5VNyE&amp;RT=3DMiM0</a></span=
><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family:=
 Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=
=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Ari=
al, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, =
Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"fon=
t-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "=
><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; f=
ont-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span cl=
ass=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, =
Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-s=
tyle-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-seri=
f, Helvetica, Geneva; ">WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for =
Windows the first time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prio=
r to the meeting
 by clicking this link:&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" styl=
e=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, G=
eneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span>=
<span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: =
Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><a href=3D"https://go.webex=
.com/go/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php" target=3D"_blank">https://go.webex.com/g=
o/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php</a></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" st=
yle=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica,=
 Geneva; ">&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-si=
ze: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br=
></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-=
family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=
=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Ari=
al, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, =
Helvetica, Geneva; "></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"fon=
t-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "=
><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small; f=
ont-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">The playback of=
 UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files requires appropriat=
e players. To view this type of rich media files
 in the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on you=
r computer by going to&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=
=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Ge=
neva; "><a href=3D"https://go.webex.com/go/systemdiagnosis.php">https://go.=
webex.com/go/systemdiagnosis.php</a></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-spa=
n" style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helve=
tica, Geneva; ">.&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"f=
ont-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva;=
 "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: small;=
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Hi,

Can I express my thoughts please.

Isn't the primary driver of SCIM to keep it really simple and drive up 
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alternative languages as part of the spec and keep to current attribute 
names, stick to ISO standard formats for data rather than localised 
forms? This is after all a machine interface not a human interface.

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Chris,

Thanks. I'll respond on the call. I think 4512/LDAP is one possible =
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>=20
> Thanks for the notes in advance of the call.  Here's a question that =
may be useful point to talk about and mull over:
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> I'm not very clear on the need of the provisioning API to be language =
aware more so than say something like an LDAP server is aware of it's =
clients language considerations.
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> I think this problem has been encountered before in the land of LDAP =
and covered well in RFC 4512, specifically section 2.5.2.1 where it =
talks about how to decorate(my word, not the spec. word) values with =
options of attributes.   This could be things like language or even =
preferred values, it's wide open really and could be used for lots of =
things like preferred value or even forced ordering.
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> Would it make more sense to model SCIMs interaction with  language and =
attributes to a pre-existing standard and just reference it rather than =
mint a new way?
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> This would make it quite easy to have SCIM data stores in LDAP and =
they should 'just work' since it's part of the LDAP spec to manage =
options =97 or at least make it easier to store things with less effort.
>=20
> Chris.
>=20
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> Subject: Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf call agenda
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have not published yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of =
the reason for raising the language issue.
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></div></div></span><a =
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<br><div><div>On 2013-06-26, at 7:22 AM, Chris Phillips wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
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charset=3DWindows-1252"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><div>Hi Phil,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the notes in advance =
of the call. &nbsp;Here's a question that may be useful point to talk =
about and mull over:</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not very clear on the =
need of the provisioning API to be language aware more so than say =
something like an LDAP server is aware of it's clients language =
considerations.</div><div><br></div><div>I think this problem has been =
encountered before in the land of LDAP and covered well in RFC 4512, =
specifically section 2.5.2.1 where it talks about how to decorate(my =
word, not the spec. word) values with options of attributes. &nbsp; This =
could be things like language or even preferred values, it's wide open =
really and could be used for lots of things like preferred value or even =
forced ordering.</div><div><br></div><div>Would it make more sense to =
model SCIMs interaction with &nbsp;language and attributes to a =
pre-existing standard and just reference it rather than mint a new =
way?</div><div><br></div><div>This would make it quite easy to have SCIM =
data stores in LDAP and they should 'just work' since it's part of the =
LDAP spec to manage options =97 or at least make it easier to store =
things with less =
effort.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; =
font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium =
none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium =
none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span> =
Phil Hunt &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a>&gt;<br><span=
 style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, 24 June, 2013 5:28 =
PM<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span> Morteza Ansari &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:moransar@cisco.com">moransar@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "<a =
href=3D"mailto:scim@ietf.org">scim@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:scim@ietf.org">scim@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf =
call agenda<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style=3D"">Please see =
attached PDF for Wednesday. &nbsp;Note: Though I intend to publish the =
related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not =
published yet). &nbsp;Still the issues in finishing it is part of the =
reason for raising the language issue.
<div><br><div><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D""><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D""><div style=3D""><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D""><div style=3D""><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D""><div =
style=3D""><div><div><div>Phil</div><div><br></div><div>@independentid</di=
v><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.independentid.com/">www.independentid.com</a></div></di=
v></div></div></span><a =
href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a><br></div></s=
pan></div></span></span></div></div></div><div style=3D""><div><div><span =
class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" style=3D""><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span"=
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class=3D"x_Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br =
class=3D"x_Apple-interchange-newline"></div><br><div><div>On 2013-06-23, =
at 9:52 PM, Morteza Ansari (moransar) wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"x_Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D""><div>Hello everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>So far we have =
two agenda items for the June 26th =
meeting:</div><div><br></div><div>-Schema =
discussions</div><div>-Language tagging of =
values</div><div><br></div><div>The instructions to get on the meeting =
is listed below in case you missed the email that went to the =
list.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Morteza</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" =
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Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
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Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
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Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; ">Morteza Ansari changed =
the meeting information.&nbsp;</span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, =
Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" =
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Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, =
Helvetica, Geneva; ">Topic: Bi-weekly SCIM WG&nbsp;</span><span =
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Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
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Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-style-span" =
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Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; "><br></span><span =
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small; font-family: Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif, Helvetica, Geneva; =
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Another option is to just provide some guidance around a suggested way supp=
ort localization when it is needed.  My concern is that few attributes will=
 require localization, so I would be reluctant to make big changes to the s=
chema to support this.  Here is an example of something that is similar to =
option 2, but uses a schema extension to provide the localized values.

{
  ...
  "client_name": "My Client",

  "urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0": {
    "client_name_i18n": [
      {
        "value": "Mi Cliente",
        "lang": "es_MX",
      },
      {
        "value": "\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D",
        "lang": "ja_JP"
      }
    ]
  }
}

Notice that "client_name" remains single valued and provides the client_nam=
e in the default locale.  The localized values are in a separate attribute =
in an extension as a multi-valued complex attribute.  Using a complex multi=
-valued attribute with a "lang" key allows any number of locales and varian=
ts that don't have to be registered a priori in the schema (this is a probl=
em with the attribute name masking and extend value options).

Also, by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted onto core resources =
in addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.  However, the ext=
ension is not entirely necessary for extended resources that would like to =
include client_name_i18n as a top-level attribute on the resource.

--Kelly

From: scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Phi=
l Hunt
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:29 PM
To: Morteza Ansari
Cc: scim@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf call agenda

Please see attached PDF for Wednesday.  Note: Though I intend to publish th=
e related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not publish=
ed yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason for raisin=
g the language issue.

Phil

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Another option is to just=
 provide some guidance around a suggested way support localization when it =
is needed.&nbsp; My concern is that few attributes will require
 localization, so I would be reluctant to make big changes to the schema to=
 support this.&nbsp; Here is an example of something that is similar to opt=
ion 2, but uses a schema extension to provide the localized values.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">{<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; &quot;client_name&quot;: &quot;My Cli=
ent&quot;,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; &quot;urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.=
0&quot;: {<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;client_name_i18n&qu=
ot;: [<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &=
quot;value&quot;: &quot;Mi Cliente&quot;,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
quot;lang&quot;: &quot;es_MX&quot;,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; },<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &=
quot;value&quot;: &quot;\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D&quot;,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &=
quot;lang&quot;: &quot;ja_JP&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp; }<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:#1F497D">}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Notice that &#8220;client=
_name&#8221; remains single valued and provides the client_name in the defa=
ult locale.&nbsp; The localized values are in a separate attribute in an
 extension as a multi-valued complex attribute.&nbsp; Using a complex multi=
-valued attribute with a &#8220;lang&#8221; key allows any number of locale=
s and variants that don&#8217;t have to be registered a priori in the schem=
a (this is a problem with the attribute name masking and
 extend value options).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Also, by utilizing an ext=
ension, this could be grafted onto core resources in addition to the extend=
ed resource OAuthClient example.&nbsp; However, the extension
 is not entirely necessary for extended resources that would like to includ=
e client_name_i18n as a top-level attribute on the resource.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">--Kelly<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
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;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> scim-bou=
nces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Hunt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 24, 2013 4:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Morteza Ansari<br>
<b>Cc:</b> scim@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf call agenda<o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please see attached PDF for Wednesday. &nbsp;Note: T=
hough I intend to publish the related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working=
 on it (and have not published yet). &nbsp;Still the issues in finishing it=
 is part of the reason for raising the language
 issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I'm not sure how the extension would work=85especially when you get into =
complexities like extension of an extension, etc.

How about that for any attribute values may be expressed in the =
following forms:

1.  Simple name-pair:

"name":"My Name"

2. Value-tagged

Single Value -  =20
  "name":{"value":"My Name"}
Multi Value -=20
  "name":[{"value":"My Name"} , =85 ]

3. Value and Language

Single Value -
"name":{
  "value":"My Client",
  i8n:["en_US":My Client",
          "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]
 }

Multi Value -
"name":[
{
  "value":"My Client",
  "type":"home",
  i8n:["en_US":My Client",
          "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]
 },
  . . .
]

So, what this would mean is that in the core spec, any of the 3 formats =
may be used.  Parsers would need to know to look for a straight value or =
a "value" tag which means one more level.  If in the "value" structure =
they detect "i8n", then there is multi-lingual data present.

---> for a filter, could someone then say something like  =
name.i8n.ja-Jpan-JP=3D"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ?

Note:  As with any attribute, SCIM server is not necessarily obliged to =
retain all data it is given. However the server should be able to =
successfully parse the information.

Phil

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On 2013-06-26, at 11:19 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote:

> Another option is to just provide some guidance around a suggested way =
support localization when it is needed.  My concern is that few =
attributes will require localization, so I would be reluctant to make =
big changes to the schema to support this.  Here is an example of =
something that is similar to option 2, but uses a schema extension to =
provide the localized values.
> =20
> {
>   ...
>   "client_name": "My Client",
> =20
>   "urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0": {
>     "client_name_i18n": [
>       {
>         "value": "Mi Cliente",
>         "lang": "es_MX",
>       },
>       {
>         "value": "\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D",
>         "lang": "ja_JP"
>       }
>     ]
>   }
> }
> =20
> Notice that =93client_name=94 remains single valued and provides the =
client_name in the default locale.  The localized values are in a =
separate attribute in an extension as a multi-valued complex attribute.  =
Using a complex multi-valued attribute with a =93lang=94 key allows any =
number of locales and variants that don=92t have to be registered a =
priori in the schema (this is a problem with the attribute name masking =
and extend value options).
> =20
> Also, by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted onto core =
resources in addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.  =
However, the extension is not entirely necessary for extended resources =
that would like to include client_name_i18n as a top-level attribute on =
the resource.
> =20
> --Kelly
> =20
> From: scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
Of Phil Hunt
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:29 PM
> To: Morteza Ansari
> Cc: scim@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf call agenda
> =20
> Please see attached PDF for Wednesday.  Note: Though I intend to =
publish the related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and =
have not published yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of =
the reason for raising the language issue.
> =20
> Phil
> =20
> @independentid
> www.independentid.com
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm =
not sure how the extension would work=85especially when you get into =
complexities like extension of an extension, etc.<div><br></div><div>How =
about that for any attribute values may be expressed in the following =
forms:</div><div><br></div><div>1. &nbsp;Simple =
name-pair:</div><div><br></div><div>"name":"My =
Name"</div><div><br></div><div>2. =
Value-tagged</div><div><br></div><div>Single Value - =
&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; "name":{"value":"My Name"}</div><div>Multi =
Value -&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; "name":[{"value":"My Name"} , =85 =
]</div><div><br></div><div>3. Value and =
Language</div><div><br></div><div>Single Value =
-</div><div>"name":{</div><div>&nbsp; "value":"My =
Client",</div><div>&nbsp; i8n:["en_US":My Client",</div><div>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
"ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" =
]</div><div>&nbsp;}</div><div><br></div><div>Multi Value =
-</div><div><div>"name":[</div><div>{</div><div>&nbsp; "value":"My =
Client",</div><div>&nbsp; "type":"home",</div><div>&nbsp; =
i8n:["en_US":My Client",</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
"ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" =
]</div><div>&nbsp;},</div></div><div>&nbsp; . . =
.</div><div>]</div><div><br></div><div>So, what this would mean is that =
in the core spec, any of the 3 formats may be used. &nbsp;Parsers would =
need to know to look for a straight value or a "value" tag which means =
one more level. &nbsp;If in the "value" structure they detect "i8n", =
then there is multi-lingual data =
present.</div><div><br></div><div>---&gt; for a filter, could someone =
then say something like =
&nbsp;name.i8n.ja-Jpan-JP=3D"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" =
?</div><div><br></div><div>Note: &nbsp;As with any attribute, SCIM =
server is not necessarily obliged to retain all data it is given. =
However the server should be able to successfully parse the =
information.</div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
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"><div><div><div>Phil</div><div><br></div><div>@independentid</div><div><a=
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<br><div><div>On 2013-06-26, at 11:19 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">Another option is to just provide some guidance around a suggested way =
support localization when it is needed.&nbsp; My concern is that few =
attributes will require localization, so I would be reluctant to make =
big changes to the schema to support this.&nbsp; Here is an example of =
something that is similar to option 2, but uses a schema extension to =
provide the localized values.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">{<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp; =
...<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp; =
"client_name": "My Client",<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp; =
"urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0": {<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "client_name_i18n": =
[<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "value": "Mi =
Cliente",<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;"lang": =
"es_MX",<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; },<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
{<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "value": =
"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D",<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "lang": =
"ja_JP"<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier =
New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
]<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">&nbsp; =
}<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">}<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">Notice that =93client_name=94 remains single valued and provides the =
client_name in the default locale.&nbsp; The localized values are in a =
separate attribute in an extension as a multi-valued complex =
attribute.&nbsp; Using a complex multi-valued attribute with a =93lang=94 =
key allows any number of locales and variants that don=92t have to be =
registered a priori in the schema (this is a problem with the attribute =
name masking and extend value options).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Also, =
by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted onto core resources in =
addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.&nbsp; However, =
the extension is not entirely necessary for extended resources that =
would like to include client_name_i18n as a top-level attribute on the =
resource.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
">--Kelly<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"border-right-style: =
none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: =
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0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org">scim-bounces@ietf.org</a> =
[mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Phil =
Hunt<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, June 24, 2013 4:29 =
PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Morteza=
 Ansari<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a=
 href=3D"mailto:scim@ietf.org">scim@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [scim] June 26th WG =
conf call agenda<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Please see attached PDF =
for Wednesday. &nbsp;Note: Though I intend to publish the related draft =
to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not published yet). =
&nbsp;Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason for raising =
the language issue.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
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Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
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margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
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Folks,

We have a couple of more confcalls scheduled but I'd like for everyone
to start thinking of agenda items for Berlin and to make sure to review
documents that are listed on our related documents list:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/scim/

Please review the non-core documents too: we have pending request
to adopt some of those as WG documents and that action requires
more review than we've had so far!

        Cheers Leif


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Attendees:
Morteza Ansari (host)
A. Paventhan
Alexandre Santos
Kelly Grizzle
Phil Hunt
Bjorn Aannestad
Tony Nadalin

Summary of Discussion:
Schema Topics (KGrizzle)
     Issue #38 "Clarify Schema Extension Model" was discussed
     Proposed solution is doc'd in the ticket
     The prosposed solution involves adding a /resourceTypes end point
support for extensions
     Next Step: Turn the proposal into a set of draft text for the spec,
ideally for the Berlin meeting
Language issues (PHunt)
     Introduced a not-yet-submitted OAuth proposal for using SCIM to
register OAuth clients
     Main question: How to represent language-variants of attribute
values in JSON?  Three options presented.
     Next Steps: Ask for input on the mailing list, esp. from
implementers who have these language requirements

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<div>Morteza Ansari (host)</div>
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<div>Phil Hunt</div>
<div>Bjorn Aannestad</div>
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<div>Summary of Discussion:</div>
<div>Schema Topics (KGrizzle)</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Issue #38 &quot;Clarify Schema Extension Mode=
l&quot; was discussed</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Proposed solution is doc'd in the ticket</div=
>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The prosposed solution involves adding a /res=
ourceTypes end point</div>
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<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Next Step: Turn the proposal into a set of dr=
aft text for the spec,</div>
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<div>register OAuth clients</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Main question: How to represent language-vari=
ants of attribute</div>
<div>values in JSON?&nbsp;&nbsp;Three options presented.</div>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Next Steps: Ask for input on the mailing list=
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Hi,

Sorry for missing yesterdays meeting, was stuck in another one.

In my opinion, extending extensions seems like a slippery road to go down. =
Extending a new Resource type would be fine in my book, but extending exten=
sion within a Resource sounds like it can become rather tricky. I would rat=
her prefer to create a new extension of the original one was not enough.

+1 on keeping language as extensions like Kelly proposed when it's needed. =
Another example would be to add some language tag to the ServicePoviderConf=
ig and use Accept-Language HTTP headers to get all the versions supported, =
but it does not feel like the way to go. It is a corner case, so lets use e=
xtensions for it.

/ Erik


On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:

I'm not sure how the extension would work=85especially when you get into co=
mplexities like extension of an extension, etc.

How about that for any attribute values may be expressed in the following f=
orms:

1.  Simple name-pair:

"name":"My Name"

2. Value-tagged

Single Value -
  "name":{"value":"My Name"}
Multi Value -
  "name":[{"value":"My Name"} , =85 ]

3. Value and Language

Single Value -
"name":{
  "value":"My Client",
  i8n:["en_US":My Client",
          "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]
 }

Multi Value -
"name":[
{
  "value":"My Client",
  "type":"home",
  i8n:["en_US":My Client",
          "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]
 },
  . . .
]

So, what this would mean is that in the core spec, any of the 3 formats may=
 be used.  Parsers would need to know to look for a straight value or a "va=
lue" tag which means one more level.  If in the "value" structure they dete=
ct "i8n", then there is multi-lingual data present.

---> for a filter, could someone then say something like  name.i8n.ja-Jpan-=
JP=3D"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ?

Note:  As with any attribute, SCIM server is not necessarily obliged to ret=
ain all data it is given. However the server should be able to successfully=
 parse the information.

Phil

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On 2013-06-26, at 11:19 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote:

Another option is to just provide some guidance around a suggested way supp=
ort localization when it is needed.  My concern is that few attributes will=
 require localization, so I would be reluctant to make big changes to the s=
chema to support this.  Here is an example of something that is similar to =
option 2, but uses a schema extension to provide the localized values.

{
  ...
  "client_name": "My Client",

  "urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0": {
    "client_name_i18n": [
      {
        "value": "Mi Cliente",
        "lang": "es_MX",
      },
      {
        "value": "\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D",
        "lang": "ja_JP"
      }
    ]
  }
}

Notice that =93client_name=94 remains single valued and provides the client=
_name in the default locale.  The localized values are in a separate attrib=
ute in an extension as a multi-valued complex attribute.  Using a complex m=
ulti-valued attribute with a =93lang=94 key allows any number of locales an=
d variants that don=92t have to be registered a priori in the schema (this =
is a problem with the attribute name masking and extend value options).

Also, by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted onto core resources =
in addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.  However, the ext=
ension is not entirely necessary for extended resources that would like to =
include client_name_i18n as a top-level attribute on the resource.

--Kelly

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Please see attached PDF for Wednesday.  Note: Though I intend to publish th=
e related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not publish=
ed yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason for raisin=
g the language issue.

Phil

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Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for missing yesterdays meeting, was stuck in another one.&nbsp;<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In my opinion, extending extensions seems like a slippery road to go d=
own. Extending a new Resource type would be fine in my book, but extending =
extension within a Resource sounds like it can become rather tricky. I woul=
d rather prefer to create a new
 extension of the original one was not enough.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&#43;1 on keeping language as extensions like Kelly proposed when it's=
 needed. Another example would be to add some language tag to the ServicePo=
viderConfig and use Accept-Language HTTP headers to get all the versions su=
pported, but it does not feel like the
 way to go. It is a corner case, so lets use extensions for it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/ Erik&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space; ">
I'm not sure how the extension would work=85especially when you get into co=
mplexities like extension of an extension, etc.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about that for any attribute values may be expressed in the follow=
ing forms:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. &nbsp;Simple name-pair:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&quot;name&quot;:&quot;My Name&quot;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Value-tagged</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Single Value - &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &quot;name&quot;:{&quot;value&quot;:&quot;My Name&quot;}</div>
<div>Multi Value -&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; &quot;name&quot;:[{&quot;value&quot;:&quot;My Name&quot;} , =85=
 ]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. Value and Language</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Single Value -</div>
<div>&quot;name&quot;:{</div>
<div>&nbsp; &quot;value&quot;:&quot;My Client&quot;,</div>
<div>&nbsp; i8n:[&quot;en_US&quot;:My Client&quot;,</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;ja-Jpan-JP&quot;:&quot;\u30AF=
\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D&quot; ]</div>
<div>&nbsp;}</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Multi Value -</div>
<div>
<div>&quot;name&quot;:[</div>
<div>{</div>
<div>&nbsp; &quot;value&quot;:&quot;My Client&quot;,</div>
<div>&nbsp; &quot;type&quot;:&quot;home&quot;,</div>
<div>&nbsp; i8n:[&quot;en_US&quot;:My Client&quot;,</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;ja-Jpan-JP&quot;:&quot;\u30AF=
\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D&quot; ]</div>
<div>&nbsp;},</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp; . . .</div>
<div>]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, what this would mean is that in the core spec, any of the 3 format=
s may be used. &nbsp;Parsers would need to know to look for a straight valu=
e or a &quot;value&quot; tag which means one more level. &nbsp;If in the &q=
uot;value&quot; structure they detect &quot;i8n&quot;, then there is multi-=
lingual
 data present.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>---&gt; for a filter, could someone then say something like &nbsp;name=
.i8n.ja-Jpan-JP=3D&quot;\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D&quot; ?<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Note: &nbsp;As with any attribute, SCIM server is not necessarily obli=
ged to retain all data it is given. However the server should be able to su=
ccessfully parse the information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space; ">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-f=
amily: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal=
; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans=
: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2=
; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border=
-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-t=
ext-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space; ">
<div>
<div>
<div>Phil</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>@independentid</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.independentid.com/">www.independentid.com</a></d=
iv>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span><a href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a><br>
<br>
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<div>On 2013-06-26, at 11:19 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote:</div>
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b(31, 73, 125); ">Another option is to just provide some guidance around a =
suggested way support localization when it is needed.&nbsp; My concern is t=
hat few attributes will require localization,
 so I would be reluctant to make big changes to the schema to support this.=
&nbsp; Here is an example of something that is similar to option 2, but use=
s a schema extension to provide the localized values.<o:p></o:p></span></di=
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<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); ">&nbsp; &quot;client_name&quot;: &quot;My Client&quot;,<o:p></o:=
p></span></div>
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73, 125); ">&nbsp; &quot;urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0&quot;: {<o:p></o:=
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quot;Mi Cliente&quot;,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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73, 125); ">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;lang&quot;: &q=
uot;es_MX&quot;,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;value&quot;: &=
quot;\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D&quot;,<o:p></o:p></span></d=
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<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, =
73, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;lang&quot;: &q=
uot;ja_JP&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rg=
b(31, 73, 125); ">Notice that =93client_name=94 remains single valued and p=
rovides the client_name in the default locale.&nbsp; The localized values a=
re in a separate attribute in an extension
 as a multi-valued complex attribute.&nbsp; Using a complex multi-valued at=
tribute with a =93lang=94 key allows any number of locales and variants tha=
t don=92t have to be registered a priori in the schema (this is a problem w=
ith the attribute name masking and extend value
 options).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rg=
b(31, 73, 125); ">Also, by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted on=
to core resources in addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.=
&nbsp; However, the extension is not entirely
 necessary for extended resources that would like to include client_name_i1=
8n as a top-level attribute on the resource.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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b>Phil Hunt<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, June=
 24, 2013 4:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Morteza Ansari=
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<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [scim=
] June 26th WG conf call agenda<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Please see attached PDF for Wednesday. &nbsp;Note: Though I intend to publi=
sh the related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not pu=
blished yet). &nbsp;Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason =
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I am ok to look at kelly's proposal but it looks a lot more complex than wha=
t i just sent. I would like to see more.=20

I am not yet convinced bolt on language support is even possible.  It would b=
e bad to force breaking changes further down the road if it can't be layered=
 on.=20

Phil

On 2013-06-27, at 11:44, Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m <erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com> w=
rote:

> Hi,
>=20
> Sorry for missing yesterdays meeting, was stuck in another one.=20
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> In my opinion, extending extensions seems like a slippery road to go down.=
 Extending a new Resource type would be fine in my book, but extending exten=
sion within a Resource sounds like it can become rather tricky. I would rath=
er prefer to create a new extension of the original one was not enough.=20
>=20
> +1 on keeping language as extensions like Kelly proposed when it's needed.=
 Another example would be to add some language tag to the ServicePoviderConf=
ig and use Accept-Language HTTP headers to get all the versions supported, b=
ut it does not feel like the way to go. It is a corner case, so lets use ext=
ensions for it.
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> / Erik=20
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:
>=20
>> I'm not sure how the extension would work=E2=80=A6especially when you get=
 into complexities like extension of an extension, etc.
>>=20
>> How about that for any attribute values may be expressed in the following=
 forms:
>>=20
>> 1.  Simple name-pair:
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>> "name":"My Name"
>>=20
>> 2. Value-tagged
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>> Single Value -  =20
>>   "name":{"value":"My Name"}
>> Multi Value -=20
>>   "name":[{"value":"My Name"} , =E2=80=A6 ]
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>> 3. Value and Language
>>=20
>> Single Value -
>> "name":{
>>   "value":"My Client",
>>   i8n:["en_US":My Client",
>>           "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]
>>  }
>>=20
>> Multi Value -
>> "name":[
>> {
>>   "value":"My Client",
>>   "type":"home",
>>   i8n:["en_US":My Client",
>>           "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]
>>  },
>>   . . .
>> ]
>>=20
>> So, what this would mean is that in the core spec, any of the 3 formats m=
ay be used.  Parsers would need to know to look for a straight value or a "v=
alue" tag which means one more level.  If in the "value" structure they dete=
ct "i8n", then there is multi-lingual data present.
>>=20
>> ---> for a filter, could someone then say something like  name.i8n.ja-Jpa=
n-JP=3D"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ?
>>=20
>> Note:  As with any attribute, SCIM server is not necessarily obliged to r=
etain all data it is given. However the server should be able to successfull=
y parse the information.
>>=20
>> Phil
>>=20
>> @independentid
>> www.independentid.com
>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 2013-06-26, at 11:19 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote:
>>=20
>>> Another option is to just provide some guidance around a suggested way s=
upport localization when it is needed.  My concern is that few attributes wi=
ll require localization, so I would be reluctant to make big changes to the s=
chema to support this.  Here is an example of something that is similar to o=
ption 2, but uses a schema extension to provide the localized values.
>>> =20
>>> {
>>>   ...
>>>   "client_name": "My Client",
>>> =20
>>>   "urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0": {
>>>     "client_name_i18n": [
>>>       {
>>>         "value": "Mi Cliente",
>>>         "lang": "es_MX",
>>>       },
>>>       {
>>>         "value": "\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D",
>>>         "lang": "ja_JP"
>>>       }
>>>     ]
>>>   }
>>> }
>>> =20
>>> Notice that =E2=80=9Cclient_name=E2=80=9D remains single valued and prov=
ides the client_name in the default locale.  The localized values are in a s=
eparate attribute in an extension as a multi-valued complex attribute.  Usin=
g a complex multi-valued attribute with a =E2=80=9Clang=E2=80=9D key allows a=
ny number of locales and variants that don=E2=80=99t have to be registered a=
 priori in the schema (this is a problem with the attribute name masking and=
 extend value options).
>>> =20
>>> Also, by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted onto core resourc=
es in addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.  However, the e=
xtension is not entirely necessary for extended resources that would like to=
 include client_name_i18n as a top-level attribute on the resource.
>>> =20
>>> --Kelly
>>> =20
>>> From: scim-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of P=
hil Hunt
>>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 4:29 PM
>>> To: Morteza Ansari
>>> Cc: scim@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [scim] June 26th WG conf call agenda
>>> =20
>>> Please see attached PDF for Wednesday.  Note: Though I intend to publish=
 the related draft to IETF soon, I'm still working on it (and have not publi=
shed yet).  Still the issues in finishing it is part of the reason for raisi=
ng the language issue.
>>> =20
>>> Phil
>>> =20
>>> @independentid
>>> www.independentid.com
>>> phil.hunt@oracle.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> scim mailing list
>>> scim@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scim
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I am ok to look at kelly's proposal bu=
t it looks a lot more complex than what i just sent. I would like to see mor=
e.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I am not yet convinced bolt on language su=
pport is even possible. &nbsp;It would be bad to force breaking changes furt=
her down the road if it can't be layered on.&nbsp;<br><br>Phil</div><div><br=
>On 2013-06-27, at 11:44, Erik Wahlstr=C3=B6m &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:erik.wah=
lstrom@nexussafe.com">erik.wahlstrom@nexussafe.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></d=
iv><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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52">


Hi,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for missing yesterdays meeting, was stuck in another one.&nbsp;</=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In my opinion, extending extensions seems like a slippery road to go do=
wn. Extending a new Resource type would be fine in my book, but extending ex=
tension within a Resource sounds like it can become rather tricky. I would r=
ather prefer to create a new
 extension of the original one was not enough.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>+1 on keeping language as extensions like Kelly proposed when it's need=
ed. Another example would be to add some language tag to the ServicePoviderC=
onfig and use Accept-Language HTTP headers to get all the versions supported=
, but it does not feel like the
 way to go. It is a corner case, so lets use extensions for it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/ Erik&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:53 PM, Phil Hunt wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-=
break: after-white-space; ">
I'm not sure how the extension would work=E2=80=A6especially when you get in=
to complexities like extension of an extension, etc.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about that for any attribute values may be expressed in the followi=
ng forms:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. &nbsp;Simple name-pair:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"name":"My Name"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2. Value-tagged</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Single Value - &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; "name":{"value":"My Name"}</div>
<div>Multi Value -&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp; "name":[{"value":"My Name"} , =E2=80=A6 ]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. Value and Language</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Single Value -</div>
<div>"name":{</div>
<div>&nbsp; "value":"My Client",</div>
<div>&nbsp; i8n:["en_US":My Client",</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30=
A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]</div>
<div>&nbsp;}</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Multi Value -</div>
<div>
<div>"name":[</div>
<div>{</div>
<div>&nbsp; "value":"My Client",</div>
<div>&nbsp; "type":"home",</div>
<div>&nbsp; i8n:["en_US":My Client",</div>
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "ja-Jpan-JP":"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30=
A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ]</div>
<div>&nbsp;},</div>
</div>
<div>&nbsp; . . .</div>
<div>]</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So, what this would mean is that in the core spec, any of the 3 formats=
 may be used. &nbsp;Parsers would need to know to look for a straight value o=
r a "value" tag which means one more level. &nbsp;If in the "value" structur=
e they detect "i8n", then there is multi-lingual
 data present.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>---&gt; for a filter, could someone then say something like &nbsp;name.=
i8n.ja-Jpan-JP=3D"\u30AF\u30E9\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D" ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Note: &nbsp;As with any attribute, SCIM server is not necessarily oblig=
ed to retain all data it is given. However the server should be able to succ=
essfully parse the information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-=
break: after-white-space; ">
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-=
break: after-white-space; ">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-fa=
mily: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; f=
ont-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2;=
 text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; wor=
d-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-verti=
cal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-siz=
e-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">
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break: after-white-space; ">
<div>
<div>
<div>Phil</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>@independentid</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.independentid.com/">www.independentid.com</a></di=
v>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span><a href=3D"mailto:phil.hunt@oracle.com">phil.hunt@oracle.com</a><br>
<br>
</div>
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<br>
<div>
<div>On 2013-06-26, at 11:19 AM, Kelly Grizzle wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-c=
ollapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant:=
 normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; o=
rphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;=
 white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizonta=
l-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decoratio=
ns-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-widt=
h: 0px; font-size: medium; ">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; ">
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); ">Another option is to just provide some guidance around a su=
ggested way support localization when it is needed.&nbsp; My concern is that=
 few attributes will require localization,
 so I would be reluctant to make big changes to the schema to support this.&=
nbsp; Here is an example of something that is similar to option 2, but uses a=
 schema extension to provide the localized values.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">{<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp; ...<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp; "client_name": "My Client",<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp; "urn:oauth:clientRegistration:1.0": {<o:p></o:p></span></d=
iv>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "client_name_i18n": [<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "value": "Mi Cliente",=
<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;"lang": "es_MX",<o:p><=
/o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; },<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; {<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "value": "\u30AF\u30E9=
\u30A4\u30A2\u30F3\u30C8\u540D",<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "lang": "ja_JP"<o:p></=
o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ]<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">&nbsp; }<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); ">}<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); ">Notice that =E2=80=9Cclient_name=E2=80=9D remains single va=
lued and provides the client_name in the default locale.&nbsp; The localized=
 values are in a separate attribute in an extension
 as a multi-valued complex attribute.&nbsp; Using a complex multi-valued att=
ribute with a =E2=80=9Clang=E2=80=9D key allows any number of locales and va=
riants that don=E2=80=99t have to be registered a priori in the schema (this=
 is a problem with the attribute name masking and extend value
 options).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); ">Also, by utilizing an extension, this could be grafted onto=
 core resources in addition to the extended resource OAuthClient example.&nb=
sp; However, the extension is not entirely
 necessary for extended resources that would like to include client_name_i18=
n as a top-level attribute on the resource.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-b=
ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); ">--Kelly<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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ottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">
<span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div>
<div>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:<=
/span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "=
><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:scim-b=
ounces@ietf.org">scim-bounces@ietf.org</a>
 [<a href=3D"mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:scim-bounces@ietf.org</a>]=
<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span clas=
s=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Phil Hunt<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Monday, June 2=
4, 2013 4:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Morteza Ansari<=
br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mail=
to:scim@ietf.org">scim@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [scim]=
 June 26th WG conf call agenda<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
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