From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Thu Jan 2 03:18:19 2003 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA00957 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 03:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.72]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h028KvKV026025; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:20:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id ZQ11LNXY; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:20:56 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h028KtI26694; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:20:55 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id JAA10586; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:19:57 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from n97.nomadiclab.com (teldanex.hiit.fi [212.68.5.99]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA10581 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:19:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from nomadiclab.com (polle.local.nikander.com [192.168.0.193]) by n97.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270AF1C for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:27:46 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E13F60F.6030405@nomadiclab.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 10:19:27 +0200 From: Pekka Nikander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20021219 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SEND WG Subject: Forwarded message from PANA WG mailing list Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010806080501020101020605" Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010806080501020101020605 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, One issue that we have to think about is the relationship between SEND and PANA. Before Christmas people at the PANA mailing list were discussing whether PANA should work without IP addresses or not. One solution would be to use link local addresses in IPv6, but that would be prone to address depletion DoS attacks. Now, if the ND part of SEND would work without a trust anchor, it would be possible to configure link local addresses very early in any configuration process. That would be good, IMHO. However, even if CGA was used, there would be problems, since 64 (or 62) bits of hash is perhaps too short. Any ideas or thoughts? --Pekka --------------010806080501020101020605 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: PANA and IP address configuration" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: PANA and IP address configuration" X-Sieve: cmu-sieve 2.0 Return-Path: Received: from n2.nomadiclab.com (n2.nomadiclab.com [131.160.193.2]) by n97.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4F61C for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:20:07 +0200 (EET) Received: by n2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) id F3A3922E1C; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:13:05 +0200 (EET) Delivered-To: pnr@nomadiclab.com Received: from d2.nomadiclab.com (bastion [131.160.194.2]) by n2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E280D22E18 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:13:02 +0200 (EET) Received: from thumper.research.telcordia.com (thumper.research.telcordia.com [128.96.41.1]) by d2.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABD36CEC1 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:13:01 +0200 (EET) Received: (from slmgr@localhost) by thumper.research.telcordia.com (8.12.6/8.12.1) id gB739wFV026602; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:09:58 -0500 (EST) Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:09:58 -0500 (EST) Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a201c29d9d$de17e750$506015ac@AlperVAIO> From: "Alper E. YEGIN" To: "Yoshihiro Ohba" Cc: "Yoshihiro Ohba" , , , References: <697DAA22C5004B4596E033803A7CEF4401752BDB@daebe007.americas.nokia.com> <007d01c29cd3$9c2afa50$506015ac@AlperVAIO> <20021206175122.GA2483@catfish> <007301c29d5f$f4bb6150$506015ac@AlperVAIO> <20021207000202.GA5711@catfish> Subject: Re: PANA and IP address configuration Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:08:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS - amavis-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: pana@research.telcordia.com X-Mailing-List: X-Loop: pana@research.telcordia.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: pana-request@research.telcordia.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The solution to address depletion attack is not as simple as saying > > "use link-local addresses". For one, the PaC needs to perform duplicate > > address detection on these addresses as well, which opens up a window > > of opportunity for the malicious hosts to attack: they can claim every > > address that the legitimate PaC is attempting to configure and starve the > > PaC. > > OK, the definition for address depletion attack in this context includes > duplicate address detection attack. Then.... > > Regarding the DAD attack for IPv6 ND, isn't it solved by SEND? It depends on which comes first, SEND or PANA? If SEND requires a trust relation between the host and the network, this might imply that PANA should happen first. > > And regarding the DAD attack for ARP, I'm not still sure how PANA > without IP address can help solve the situation. For example, an > authenticated PaC by using PANA without an IP address may be able to > obtain an IP address via DHCP authentication, but I think the > duplicate address detection attack is still possible when ARP check is > performed in the DHCP. But in this case, this attack cannot be launched by an unauthenticated hosts, right? Because, until a host is authenticated, EP won't let it send non-PANA packets, therefore not give it a chance to send bogus ARP responses. (note that in the case of configuring an IP address before PANA, ARP packets have to freely flow around even from unauthenticated hosts). alper --------------010806080501020101020605-- -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . 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Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Thu Jan 23 08:16:12 2003 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06561 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.68]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0NDJBAw013267; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id ZGN3W5Q4; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:10 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0NDJ5I29495; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:19:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id OAA06627; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:18:39 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from n97.nomadiclab.com (teldanex.hiit.fi [212.68.5.99]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA06623 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:18:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from nomadiclab.com (polle.local.nikander.com [192.168.0.193]) by n97.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D6D1C; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:27:20 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E2FEBA1.8000402@nomadiclab.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:18:25 +0200 From: Pekka Nikander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030117 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SEND WG Cc: James Kempf , Craig Metz Subject: HTML version of draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, A minute ago I submitted a revised version of draft-ietf-send-psreq to the repositiories. 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Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Thu Jan 23 12:32:01 2003 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14139 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0NHYtKV016441; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:34:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DLW0CTBX; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:34:55 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0NHYtI07269; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:34:55 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id SAA12225; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:34:16 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA12218 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:34:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <011c01c2c305$6e79e410$5c6015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: "SEND WG" Cc: "Kempf" References: <3E2FEBA1.8000402@nomadiclab.com> Subject: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:32:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WG Last Call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt starts today and runs for two weeks, until Feb. 6. This draft is intended to be a comprehensive security analysis of threats to Neighbor Discovery as it currently exists today in RFCs 2641 and 2642, according to three different trust models that group current network deployments into three different equivalence classes. As such, it functions as a requirements template for the SEND design team. It is *extremely important* that this draft be read and commented on by the WG prior to submission to the IESG. Please make an effort to review the draft within the Last Call period, and submit any comments to the mailing list or the editor (Pekka). Text, HTML and XML versions of the draft are available at the interim web page: http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/SEND/ The HTML version is directly available at: http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/SEND/draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.html The draft was submitted to the IETF drafts respository today and should show up there shortly. jak -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 24 07:58:08 2003 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17480 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.68]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0OD16KV029594; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:01:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id ZGN39TAY; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:01:06 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0OD15I07629; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:01:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id OAA19738; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:00:21 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA19687 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:00:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA17369; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:56:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200301241256.HAA17369@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:56:50 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Securing Neighbor Discovery Working Group of the IETF. Title : IPv6 Neighbor Discovery trust models and threats Author(s) : P. Nikander et al. Filename : draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2003-1-23 The existing IETF standards specify that IPv6 Neighbor Discovery and Address Autoconfiguration mechanisms MAY be protected with IPsec AH. However, the current specifications limit the security solutions to manual keying due to practical problems faced with automatic key management. This document specifies three different trust models and discusses the threats pertinent to IPv6 Neighbor Discovery. The purpose of this discussion is to define the requirements for Securing IPv6 Neighbor Discovery. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 31 05:54:10 2003 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA03169 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VAvMAv013900; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:57:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from tjatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.9]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DY5SKNYL; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:57:22 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by tjatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0VAvL216860; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:57:21 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id LAA14644; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:56:46 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from n97.nomadiclab.com (teldanex.hiit.fi [212.68.5.99]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA14640 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:56:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from nomadiclab.com (teldanex.local.nikander.com [192.168.0.194]) by n97.nomadiclab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3B81C for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:05:26 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E3A5664.1020606@nomadiclab.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:56:36 +0200 From: Pekka Nikander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SEND WG Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 References: <3E2FEBA1.8000402@nomadiclab.com> <011c01c2c305$6e79e410$5c6015ac@T23KEMPF> In-Reply-To: <011c01c2c305$6e79e410$5c6015ac@T23KEMPF> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Kempf wrote: > WG Last Call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt starts today and runs for two > weeks, until Feb. 6. ... > > It is *extremely important* that this draft be read and commented on by the WG > prior to submission to the IESG. .. So far there haven't been any comments. Maybe the draft is prefect :-) Anyway, I hereby solicit *both* comments and just notifications that you have read the draft and think that it is great. James and I just want to have feedback. Thus: If you read the draft, or have already done so, please drop me (or at the list) mail, even if you have no comments. --Pekka Nikander > Text, HTML and XML versions of the draft > are available at the interim web page: > > http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/SEND/ > > The HTML version is directly available at: > > http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/SEND/draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 31 08:05:38 2003 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05522 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VD8aAv023029; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:08:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DY5SLXYC; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:08:36 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0VD8ZI20186; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:08:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id OAA01879; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:08:13 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA01875 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:08:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VD8B425094; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:08:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:08:11 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Pekka Nikander cc: SEND WG Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 In-Reply-To: <3E3A5664.1020606@nomadiclab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Pekka Nikander wrote: > James Kempf wrote: > > WG Last Call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt starts today and runs for two > > weeks, until Feb. 6. ... > > > > It is *extremely important* that this draft be read and commented on by the WG > > prior to submission to the IESG. .. > > So far there haven't been any comments. Maybe the draft is prefect :-) > > Anyway, I hereby solicit *both* comments and just notifications > that you have read the draft and think that it is great. James > and I just want to have feedback. > > Thus: If you read the draft, or have already done so, please > drop me (or at the list) mail, even if you have no comments. I've read it and it seems fine, except for a few nits (most of them ID-nits material). Nits: - in the w.g. name s/Secure Neighborhood Discovery/Secure Neighbor Discovery/ - in the title s/IPv6 ND trust & threats/IPv6 ND trust models & threats/ - RFC2461/RFC2662 -> RFC2461/RFC2462 - s/redirect attack if the tacker/redirect attack if the attacker/ - the threat table is way too wide (by 12 chars), suggest cutting down on attack names and shifting to left; the AD/rfc-editor would kill for this ;-) - references need to be split to informative/normative Also, there are a few non-showstopper items that I have been waiting input on; from Jari mostly; 1) message: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 10:16:22 +0200, consisting of e.g.: --8<-- > IMO, section 7 of [MAN-SA] is not specific to manual ICMP SA's and should > be removed to either separate draft or here. There might be more, other > generic security discussion there. > > Perhaps Jari might have an opinion? Jari is on vacation this week but I'm sure he'll return to to this issue. --8<-- - Did Jari's comments on Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:31:14 +0200 make it to the draft, I didn't see any follow-up discussion? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 31 11:29:46 2003 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11230 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.68]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VGWhAv013168; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:32:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DY52YR8L; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:32:43 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0VGWfI07968; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:32:41 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id RAA27694; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:32:13 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA27690 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:32:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <007f01c2c946$0b74e8a0$1d6015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: "Pekka Savola" , "Pekka Nikander" Cc: "SEND WG" References: Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:30:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > - references need to be split to informative/normative > I don't believe this is necessary in a non-standards track RFC. Requirements are typically published as informational. jak -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 31 11:36:50 2003 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11397 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.68]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VGdqKV020888; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from tjatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.9]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DY52YSYZ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:52 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by tjatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0VGdp210682; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:51 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id RAA27913; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:45 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA27909 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:39:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0VGdaO26512; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:39:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:39:36 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: James Kempf cc: Pekka Nikander , SEND WG Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 In-Reply-To: <007f01c2c946$0b74e8a0$1d6015ac@T23KEMPF> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, James Kempf wrote: > > - references need to be split to informative/normative > > > > I don't believe this is necessary in a non-standards track RFC. Requirements are > typically published as informational. It is necessary or at least _strongly_ encouraged, and apparently a source of a lot of confusion. Here's one perspective at the issue: --8<-- Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 07:58:34 -0500 From: Thomas Narten To: Jonne.Soininen@nokia.com Cc: pekkas@netcore.fi, v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-v6ops-3gpp-cases-01.txt > yep, I only did editorial nits, and tried to make it conformant with > the ID nits. However, I did not split the references to normative > and informative. The document is going to be Informational, and so I > would guess that all references are informative by definition. (This > would be my understanding.) Whether a reference is normative or not has little to do with whether a document is on standards track or not. It has to do with how critical the reference is to understanding and/or implementing the document at issue. I.e, if a document says, one SHOULD/MUST do foo, as defined in RFC XXX, that is a normative reference, as one can't really implement foo without having the referenced document at hand. It does not matter whether the documents are or are not on the standards track. Thus, it is useful to split references into info/normative in almost all cases. This helps the *reader* better understand whether the reference is just informational or more important. See draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis-03.txt. Thomas --8<-- -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 31 12:18:52 2003 Received: from albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12528 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.69]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h0VHLxKV028881; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:21:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DY5S322W; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:21:59 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h0VHLwI09391; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:21:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id SAA03530; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:21:42 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA03526 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:21:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00a701c2c94c$fc52af90$1d6015ac@T23KEMPF> From: "James Kempf" To: "Pekka Savola" Cc: "Pekka Nikander" , "SEND WG" References: Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:20:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I stand corrected. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pekka Savola" To: "James Kempf" Cc: "Pekka Nikander" ; "SEND WG" Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:39 AM Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, James Kempf wrote: > > > - references need to be split to informative/normative > > > > > > > I don't believe this is necessary in a non-standards track RFC. Requirements are > > typically published as informational. > > It is necessary or at least _strongly_ encouraged, and apparently a source > of a lot of confusion. > > Here's one perspective at the issue: > --8<-- > Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 07:58:34 -0500 > From: Thomas Narten > To: Jonne.Soininen@nokia.com > Cc: pekkas@netcore.fi, v6ops@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-v6ops-3gpp-cases-01.txt > > > yep, I only did editorial nits, and tried to make it conformant with > > the ID nits. However, I did not split the references to normative > > and informative. The document is going to be Informational, and so I > > would guess that all references are informative by definition. (This > > would be my understanding.) > > Whether a reference is normative or not has little to do with whether > a document is on standards track or not. It has to do with how > critical the reference is to understanding and/or implementing the > document at issue. I.e, if a document says, one SHOULD/MUST do foo, as > defined in RFC XXX, that is a normative reference, as one can't really > implement foo without having the referenced document at hand. It does > not matter whether the documents are or are not on the standards > track. > > Thus, it is useful to split references into info/normative in almost > all cases. This helps the *reader* better understand whether the > reference is just informational or more important. > > See draft-rfc-editor-rfc2223bis-03.txt. > > Thomas > --8<-- > > -- > Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the > Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Fri Jan 31 22:35:41 2003 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA26389 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se (esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.254.68]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.12.1/8.12.1/WIREfire-1.4) with ESMTP id h113cnAv001671; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:38:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2655.55) id DY526BT6; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:38:49 +0100 Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.10.0/8.10.0/extranet-1.1) with ESMTP id h113cmI24229; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:38:48 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) id EAA22379; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:38:07 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12]) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/uc-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA22372 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:38:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id TAA20879; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id h113c1r27978; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:38:01 -0800 X-mProtect: <200302010338> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.2.94, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdscQMgw; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:38:00 PST Message-ID: <3E3B4119.713BF2DB@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:38:01 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Nikander CC: SEND WG Subject: Re: WG Last call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01 References: <3E2FEBA1.8000402@nomadiclab.com> <011c01c2c305$6e79e410$5c6015ac@T23KEMPF> <3E3A5664.1020606@nomadiclab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pekka, it is a well written document. thanks. but one thing irked me. it is a document about 'Trust Models and Threats'. why there is a need to talk about solutions? > Since there are no a priori trust relationships, the nodes cannot > rely on traditional authentication. However, it is still possible to > use self-identifying mechanisms, such as Cryptographically Generated > Addresses (CGA) [9]. These allow the nodes to ensure that they are > talking to the same nodes (as before) at all times, and that each of > the nodes indeed have generated their IP address themselves and not > "stolen" someone else's address. > In the ad hoc network case, and optionally in > the other two cases, the nodes may use self certifying techniques > (e.g. CGA) to authorize address bindings. do we know how to use CGA for ad hoc networks? is it written down somewhere. [9] is about protecting MIPv6 signaling. maybe somebody has already figured out how to use it for ad hoc networks. but it is not obvious to me. I would like to avoid talking about solutions now. Vijay Pekka Nikander wrote: > > James Kempf wrote: > > WG Last Call on draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.txt starts today and runs for two > > weeks, until Feb. 6. ... > > > > It is *extremely important* that this draft be read and commented on by the WG > > prior to submission to the IESG. .. > > So far there haven't been any comments. Maybe the draft is prefect :-) > > Anyway, I hereby solicit *both* comments and just notifications > that you have read the draft and think that it is great. James > and I just want to have feedback. > > Thus: If you read the draft, or have already done so, please > drop me (or at the list) mail, even if you have no comments. > > --Pekka Nikander > > > Text, HTML and XML versions of the draft > > are available at the interim web page: > > > > http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/SEND/ > > > > The HTML version is directly available at: > > > > http://www.tml.hut.fi/~pnr/SEND/draft-ietf-send-psreq-01.html > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > body to . > Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . 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