From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Sun Aug 1 11:00:13 2004 Received: from albatross.ericsson.se (albatross.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA05013 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by albatross.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i71F0DWR025165 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:00:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:00:11 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id PR2FXQZW; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:00:11 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i71F04wg000463; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:00:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i71EwhIt000475; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:58:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i71EwhWE000459; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:58:43 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i71EwfIt000451 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:58:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i71EwfL31861 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:58:41 +0300 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:58:41 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Subject: draft-daley-send-spnd-prob-00 comments Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2004 15:00:11.0763 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E73BC30:01C477D8] Hi, (this is out of scope for the WG for now I recall, but seeming the list is quite, there shouldn't be any harm..) Thanks for writing this out. It's still a bit sketchy, of course, but hopefully could be used to focuse the thinking wrt. whether there is any hope for Proxy Neighbor Discovery security. Just two comments: - You implicitly assume only Proxy ND in the traditional (MIPv6) sense, but it could be applied in more general with the Proxy-ND spec as well (esp. if the rbrigde effort doesn't get going). - section 7.2 on Certificate Transport could use a bit more context. I was confused about which scenario you are considering here -- whether the node is roaming, but is coming home; or at home but leaving (or already left); or both (or something else). Two unboiled thoughts: 1) if the MN knows HA's address and public key using mechanisms which are out of scope from here (based on the associating with the HA in the first place), what's still missing here -- couldn't the MN send its signed authorization along with the Binding Update, the HA could take it to use, and then send BA? 2) can this be simplified if one could assume that MN has to be at home at first (or at least get its certificate to the HA configured at HA somehow), before moving or coming home? This would assume that such certificates could be sufficiently long-lived. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Tue Aug 10 18:14:21 2004 Received: from albatross.ericsson.se (albatross.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11999 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by albatross.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7AMEIWR012262 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:14:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:14:17 +0200 Received: from tjatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.9]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id QMTXM8BX; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:14:17 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by tjatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7AMEGXA001696; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:14:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7AMCwIt015414; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7AMCwRA015404; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fep07-app.kolumbus.fi (fep07-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.51]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7AMCvIt015389 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:12:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from kolumbus.fi ([80.186.68.238]) by fep07-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20040810221257.HFIE3463.fep07-app.kolumbus.fi@kolumbus.fi> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:12:57 +0300 Message-ID: <41194859.8070003@kolumbus.fi> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:12:41 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: send mailing list Subject: Fwd: Protocol Action: 'SEcure Neighbor Discovery (SEND)' to Proposed Standard References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2004 22:14:17.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[60C7DEA0:01C47F27] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IESG wrote: > The IESG has approved the following document: > > - 'SEcure Neighbor Discovery (SEND) ' > as a Proposed Standard > > This document is the product of the Securing Neighbor Discovery Working > Group. > > The IESG contact persons are Margaret Wasserman and Thomas Narten. > > Technical Summary > > IPv6 nodes use the Neighbor Discovery Protocol (NDP) to discover > other nodes on the link, to determine the link-layer addresses of > other nodes on the link, to find routers, and to maintain > reachability information about the paths to active neighbors. If not > secured, NDP is vulnerable to various attacks. This document > specifies security mechanisms for NDP. Unlike the original NDP > specifications, these mechanisms do not make use of IPsec. > > Working Group Summary > > The only major issue in the WG about this document was that both > Microsoft and Ericsson declared that they had IPR on CGA technology. > This issue was resolved after license conditions agreeable to the > WG participants and suited for public domain software were posted by > the respective companies. Before this, the WG briefly investigated an > alternative that would have required the configuration of hosts with > certificates, which might have resulted in deployment problems. > > Another significant issue in the WG focused around the design of the > protocol and whether it should be based on IPsec AH or stand on its > own. After documenting the alternatives and comparing their pros and > cons, the consensus of the WG was to use an ND options based approach > instead of IPsec. The benefits of this were lack of impact on IPsec > architecture and implementations, and better ability to make security > decisions based on application state. This is important, for instance, > for co-existence of SEND and insecure ND on the same link. > > A minor issue involved how to represent the authorization for routers to > route a certain prefix. The WG originally favored attribute certificates, > but since the PKIX WG was planning on defining an identity certificate > extension for this purpose, the WG decided to go with the IP address > range extension in draft-ietf-pkix-x509-ipaddr-as-extn-03.txt. Note that > this constructs a normative dependence on that draft, and it would be > helpful if we could get that draft to advance as quickly as possible > (or alterntively figure out a way to remove the normative dependence) > since there is a market window on how long before it becomes too late > for SEND to achieve widespread deployment, and having an officially > published RFC is important for implementors. > > Protocol Quality > > The basic protocol design has been implemented on Linux. That > implementation was used to fine tune the design, and the results of the > fine tuning went into the final draft. > > This document was reviewed for the IESG by Margaret Wasserman. -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Tue Aug 17 16:42:07 2004 Received: from eagle.ericsson.se (eagle.ericsson.se [193.180.251.53]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA13823 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw141.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.120]) by eagle.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7HKg8Ah010905 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:42:08 +0200 Received: from esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.125]) by esealmw141.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:42:08 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id QZMC3DBN; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:42:08 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7HKfpwg022139; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:41:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7HKeFIt015262; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:40:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7HKeEvj015254; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:40:14 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7HKeCIt015212 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:40:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <01e501c4849a$812f3080$536115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: Subject: Fw: Closing the Working Group Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:40:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2004 20:42:08.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E47C10:01C4849A] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, With the publication of draft-ietf-send-ndopts-06.txt, the SEND WG has fufilled its charter and is now ready to close. I will send email to the IESG to request that the WG be officially closed. By all accounts, SEND has been a very successful working group, developing what is turning out to be a key piece of technology for IPv6 in record time. Now, of course, the task is to get that technology implemented and pushed into products and deployments. For purposes of discussing implementation and deployment, this mailing list will be kept active. At some point when there are several implementations, we should organize an interoperability test, or schedule one as part of regular IPv6 interop testing. Congratulations to all the WG members for a job well done. jak -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Wed Aug 18 00:49:56 2004 Received: from eagle.ericsson.se (eagle.ericsson.se [193.180.251.53]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA10346 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 00:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw141.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.120]) by eagle.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7I4nsAh004751 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:49:54 +0200 Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.120]) by esealmw141.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:49:54 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id Q6GY8Q28; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:49:54 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7I4ndwg005272; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:49:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7I4mdIt012371; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:48:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7I4mdJK012353; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:48:39 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from ALPHA6.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha6.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.25]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7I4mXIt012218 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:48:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.88]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #39306) with ESMTP id <01LDTAP6BMXK8YCZIO@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:48:15 +1000 Received: from moe.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AC8AB545; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:48:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from eng.monash.edu.au (knuth.eng.monash.edu.au [130.194.252.110]) by moe.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0B74FB03; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:48:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:48:05 +1000 From: Greg Daley Subject: Securing Proxy Neighbour Discovery in Mobopts To: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Cc: "Rajeev.Koodli" , waa@cs.umd.edu, margaret@thingmagic.com, Thomas Narten Reply-to: greg.daley@eng.monash.edu.au Message-id: <4122DF85.5050700@eng.monash.edu.au> Organization: Monash University MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en, en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2004 04:49:54.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDBB3220:01C484DE] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT (Cc: mobopts chairs, INT ADs). Since the SEND WG is about to shut down, if there's interest in trying to secure proxy neighbour discovery, it may be appropriate to pursue it within the IRTF Mobopts group. This group is looking at continuing improvements in IP mobility signalling, particularly aimed at Mobile IPv6 and associated handover protocols. Currently the only identified consumer protocols (apart from RFC2461 Neighbour Discovery) for Secured Proxy Neighbour Discovery are RFC 3775 (Mobile IPv6) and draft-ietf-mipshop-fast-mipv6-02.txt (Fast handovers for Mobile IPv6). The outputs of any of this work may therefore find application within the mobility community first. With regards to the expertise of the group to handle securing proxy neighbour discovery, several of the Mobopts participants have been contributors to IP mobility as well as SEND documents. Following up in Mobopts has been suggested before on this list, and now I guess this is an unofficial invitation to go across to that group to contribute to discussion there. A summary of the IETF60 Bar BoF is soon to be posted on mobopts. Joining the mailing list (mobopts@irtf.org) can be achieved by sending an e-mail to: mobopts-request@irtf.org Greg Daley -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Mon Aug 23 14:43:10 2004 Received: from penguin.ericsson.se (penguin.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00231 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw142.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.119]) by penguin.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7NIhAlU015531 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.120]) by esealmw142.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:10 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id Q6G5H2LR; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:09 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIh0wg009572; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7NIg0h1004541; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:42:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7NIg0D0004524; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:42:00 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fridge.docomolabs-usa.com (key1.docomolabs-usa.com [216.98.102.225]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7NIfvh1004513 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:41:58 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <013d01c48940$facd0930$536115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: References: <200408231812.OAA27654@ietf.org> Subject: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:42:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 18:43:10.0058 (UTC) FILETIME=[09A00CA0:01C48941] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, for those people on the list, we will be keeping the mailing list open for discussion on implementation and deployment. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "The IESG" To: Cc: ; "Pekka Nikander" ; "James Kempf" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) > The Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) in the Internet Area has concluded. > > The IESG contact persons are Thomas Narten and Margaret Wasserman. > > The mailing list will be closed. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Mon Aug 23 14:43:17 2004 Received: from eagle.ericsson.se (eagle.ericsson.se [193.180.251.53]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00262 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by eagle.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7NIhCAh018579 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:16 +0200 Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.120]) by esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:12 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id Q6G5H2MC; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:12 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7NIh9wg009575; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:43:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7NIg0h1004548; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:42:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7NIg0uA004534; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:42:00 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fep01-app.kolumbus.fi (fep01-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.41]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7NIfxh1004517 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:41:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from kolumbus.fi ([80.186.68.238]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20040823184158.EJEQ24516.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@kolumbus.fi> for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:41:58 +0300 Message-ID: <412A3A5B.5080907@kolumbus.fi> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:41:31 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Subject: Fwd: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) References: <200408231812.i7NIC7fm029660@prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <200408231812.i7NIC7fm029660@prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2004 18:43:12.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B1B8910:01C48941] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: The IESG > To: IETF-Announce@ietf.org > Cc: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net, > Pekka Nikander , > James Kempf > Subject: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:12:01 -0400 > Sender: dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us > > The Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) in the Internet Area has > concluded. > > The IESG contact persons are Thomas Narten and Margaret Wasserman. > > The mailing list will be closed. (Contrary to the note we will be keeping the list open. --Jari) -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Tue Aug 24 00:23:33 2004 Received: from penguin.ericsson.se (penguin.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14985 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by penguin.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7O4NYlU011007 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:23:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:23:33 +0200 Received: from tjatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.9]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id QMT6CH90; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:23:33 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by tjatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7O4NWXA006793; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:23:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7O4Mfh1010908; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:22:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7O4Mf8L010907; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:22:41 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from fep01-app.kolumbus.fi (fep01-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.41]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7O4Meh1010903 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 06:22:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from kolumbus.fi ([80.186.68.238]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20040824042240.HRDE24516.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@kolumbus.fi>; Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:22:40 +0300 Message-ID: <412AC274.9070900@kolumbus.fi> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:22:12 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net CC: Rajeev Koodli Subject: Fwd: RE: Securing Proxy Neighbour Discovery in Mobopts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 04:23:33.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E4ED590:01C48992] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (copying a bounced message to the send list) From: To: , Cc: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2004 00:20:05.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B1092F0:01C48970] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sw.ericsson.se id i7O0Lch1002145 Hi, this sounds reasonable. Mobopts is chartered to consider security for handovers as a general topic of interest. So, this would be a good fit. At a later stage, we could consider bringing the solutions, e.g., including the handover key management, back to IETF for standardization. Regards, -Rajeev (Mobopts co-chair) > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Greg Daley [mailto:greg.daley@eng.monash.edu.au] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:48 PM > To: ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net > Cc: Koodli Rajeev (Nokia-NRC/MtView); waa@cs.umd.edu; > margaret@thingmagic.com; Thomas Narten > Subject: Securing Proxy Neighbour Discovery in Mobopts > > > (Cc: mobopts chairs, INT ADs). > > Since the SEND WG is about to shut down, > if there's interest in trying to secure proxy > neighbour discovery, it may be appropriate to pursue it > within the IRTF Mobopts group. > > This group is looking at continuing improvements > in IP mobility signalling, particularly aimed at > Mobile IPv6 and associated handover protocols. > > Currently the only identified consumer protocols > (apart from RFC2461 Neighbour Discovery) for > Secured Proxy Neighbour Discovery are > RFC 3775 (Mobile IPv6) and draft-ietf-mipshop-fast-mipv6-02.txt > (Fast handovers for Mobile IPv6). > > The outputs of any of this work may therefore find > application within the mobility community first. > > With regards to the expertise of the group to handle > securing proxy neighbour discovery, several of the > Mobopts participants have been contributors to > IP mobility as well as SEND documents. > > Following up in Mobopts has been suggested before on this list, > and now I guess this is an unofficial invitation to > go across to that group to contribute to discussion there. > > A summary of the IETF60 Bar BoF is soon to be posted > on mobopts. > > Joining the mailing list (mobopts@irtf.org) can be > achieved by sending an e-mail to: > > mobopts-request@irtf.org > > > Greg Daley > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Thu Aug 26 20:30:01 2004 Received: from eagle.ericsson.se (eagle.ericsson.se [193.180.251.53]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA27248 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw142.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.119]) by eagle.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7R0U1Ah024967 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:30:01 +0200 Received: from esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.118]) by esealmw142.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:30:00 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt612.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id RPJ2MX4G; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:30:00 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0Tpwg029084; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:29:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7R0Skh1003723; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:28:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7R0SktG003722; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:28:46 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from thingmagic.com (mail.thingmagic.com [207.31.248.245]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7R0Shh1003697 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:28:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [68.64.253.86] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 133057; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:24:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: margaret@mail.thingmagic.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013d01c48940$facd0930$536115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> References: <200408231812.OAA27654@ietf.org> <013d01c48940$facd0930$536115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:28:32 -0400 To: "James Kempf" , From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 00:30:00.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCC2CA70:01C48BCC] I'm sorry about this, everyone... I asked the secretariat to send the usual WG closing message without realizing that the usual message would declare the mailing list closed. There was no intention on my part (or that of the chairs) to close this mailing list at this time, just some confusion on my part about what the usual WG closing message would say. Sorry, Margaret At 11:42 AM -0700 8/23/04, James Kempf wrote: >Actually, for those people on the list, we will be keeping the mailing list >open for discussion on implementation and deployment. > > jak > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The IESG" >To: >Cc: ; "Pekka Nikander" >; "James Kempf" >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:12 AM >Subject: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) > > >> The Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) in the Internet Area has concluded. >> >> The IESG contact persons are Thomas Narten and Margaret Wasserman. >> >> The mailing list will be closed. >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >body to . >Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html >-------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jari.arkko@lmf.ericsson.se Thu Aug 26 20:34:37 2004 Received: from penguin.ericsson.se (penguin.ericsson.se [193.180.251.47]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA27596 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by penguin.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i7R0YblU003813 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: from esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.125]) by esealmw140.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:36 +0200 Received: from fnatte.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.242.8]) by esealnt613.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id QZM106M6; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:35 +0200 Received: from sw.ericsson.se (prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.240.43]) by fnatte.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7R0YYwg029169; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7R0YKh1005264; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ietfmdomo@localhost) by prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i7R0YKLG005263; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:20 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: prdxweb.sw.ericsson.se: ietfmdomo set sender to owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net using -f Received: from thingmagic.com (mail.thingmagic.com [207.31.248.245]) by sw.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/unixcenter-xnetx-1.0) with ESMTP id i7R0YJh1005259 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [68.64.253.86] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.2]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 133060; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:30:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: margaret@mail.thingmagic.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013d01c48940$facd0930$536115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> References: <200408231812.OAA27654@ietf.org> <013d01c48940$facd0930$536115ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:32:13 -0400 To: "James Kempf" , From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-send@standards.ericsson.net Precedence: bulk X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2004 00:34:36.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1206D70:01C48BCD] One more thing... Congratulations to James, Pekka and the entire SEND WG for the successful and timely completion of your work! I hope that this WG will serve as an example to others. And special thanks to Jari for all of his hard work on behalf of the SEND WG. Margaret At 11:42 AM -0700 8/23/04, James Kempf wrote: >Actually, for those people on the list, we will be keeping the mailing list >open for discussion on implementation and deployment. > > jak > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The IESG" >To: >Cc: ; "Pekka Nikander" >; "James Kempf" >Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:12 AM >Subject: WG Action: Conclusion of Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) > > >> The Securing Neighbor Discovery (send) in the Internet Area has concluded. >> >> The IESG contact persons are Thomas Narten and Margaret Wasserman. >> >> The mailing list will be closed. >> >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the >body to . >Archive: http://standards.ericsson.net/lists/ietf-send/maillist.html >-------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send email with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the body to . 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