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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core of the IETF.

        Title           : Clarifications for when to use the name-addr production in SIP messages
        Author          : Robert Sparks
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance-02.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2017-06-01

Abstract:
   RFC3261 constrained several SIP header fields whose grammar contains
   the "name-addr / addr-spec" alternative to use name-addr when certain
   characters appear.  Unfortunately it expressed the constraints with
   prose copied into each header field definition, and at least one
   header field was missed.  Further, the constraint has not been copied
   into documents defining extension headers whose grammar contains the
   alternative.

   This document updates RFC3261 to state the constraint generically,
   and clarifies that the constraint applies to all SIP header fields
   where there is a choice between using name-addr or addr-spec.  It
   also updates the RFCs that define extension SIP header fields using
   the alternative to clarify that the constraint applies (RFCs 3325,
   3515, 3892, 4508, 5002, 5318, 5360, and 5502).


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This just adds the 2119 terminology block (as updated by the recently 
published 8174).

RjS


On 6/1/17 2:04 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : Clarifications for when to use the name-addr production in SIP messages
>          Author          : Robert Sparks
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 6
> 	Date            : 2017-06-01
>
> Abstract:
>     RFC3261 constrained several SIP header fields whose grammar contains
>     the "name-addr / addr-spec" alternative to use name-addr when certain
>     characters appear.  Unfortunately it expressed the constraints with
>     prose copied into each header field definition, and at least one
>     header field was missed.  Further, the constraint has not been copied
>     into documents defining extension headers whose grammar contains the
>     alternative.
>
>     This document updates RFC3261 to state the constraint generically,
>     and clarifies that the constraint applies to all SIP header fields
>     where there is a choice between using name-addr or addr-spec.  It
>     also updates the RFCs that define extension SIP header fields using
>     the alternative to clarify that the constraint applies (RFCs 3325,
>     3515, 3892, 4508, 5002, 5318, 5360, and 5502).
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance-02
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance-02
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance-02
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
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So far I have heard from one author. Anyone else?

Jean


On 5/30/17 10:22 AM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote:
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> 
> Does anyone have anything they want to present? If so, let us know. The 
> chairs need to get in a scheduling request by this Friday, UTC 23:59 
> 2017-06-02.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jean
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Thanks.

I spoke to Alexey offline.  He concurred that global uniqueness should =
not be required.

Please submit a new version at your convenience.

Thanks!

Ben.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:37 AM, Christer Holmberg =
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Nobody has indicated a need for globally uniqueness, so my suggestion =
is
> to merge the PR and submit a new version of the draft.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Christer
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 01/06/17 00:41, "Christer Holmberg" =
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> wrote:
>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> I really think that mandating global uniqueness, for a possible =
use-case
>> that nobody is still aware of, is overkill.
>>=20
>> IF such use-case comes up, someone can always update the spec in =
order to
>> mandate a globally unique value for such use-case. Alternatively, the
>> value can be used together with some other value(s) (Call-ID,
>> transaction-id, CSeq etc etc etc) in order to create a unique =
reference.
>>=20
>> Regards,
>>=20
>> Christer=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@nostrum.com]
>> Sent: 31 May 2017 22:03
>> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
>> Cc: A. Jean Mahoney <mahoney@nostrum.com>;
>> draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id.all@ietf.org; sipcore@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-05 - PULL
>> REQUEST
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On May 28, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Christer Holmberg
>>> <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>>>>>> I have created a pull request, based on your comments:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-content-id/pull/6
>>>>>> The diff looks fine. We probably want to make sure the WG shares
>>>>>> the opinion that the Content-ID will never be referenced from
>>>>>> outside the SIP message.
>>>>>> Jean, do  you have thoughts on that from the shepherd =
perspective?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The WG did discuss whether the Content-ID could be used outside of
>>>>> the message.=20
>>>>> The takeaway was, that since a SIP header has non-MIME fields, the
>>>>> Content-ID can't really refer to the entire message, and thus =
would
>>>>> not be useful outside the message.
>>>>=20
>>>> There seems to be two ideas intertwined there; namely the idea of
>>>> what a content-ID identifies, and the idea of whether a content-ID
>>>> could be referred to from outside the containing SIP message.
>>>> But I take your comment to mean that both were discussed. Is that
>>>> correct?
>>>=20
>>> As far as I remember, we did not discuss the possibility of =
referencing
>>> a body outside the SIP message.
>>>=20
>>> However, nobody has requested for that possibility, so I don't think =
we
>>> need to cover it. If someone, as some point, see a need for it, =
he/she
>>> can update the spec and define how it is done, what impacts it has =
on
>>> the uniqueness etc.
>>=20
>> It=E2=80=99s kind of hard to define extra-message references later if =
the initial
>> version does not require global uniqueness. If people want to leave =
that
>> option open, then global uniqueness may still make sense now. I=E2=80=99=
m okay
>> with it either way as long as the WG has thought it through, and =
hasn=E2=80=99t
>> just picked it arbitrarily.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>>=20
>>> Christer
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>>> However, I wasn=C4=85t sure how to address the following comment:
>>>>>> "1.2 and 1.3: A sentence or two that more strongly contrasts =
"body
>>>>>> part" vs "message-body" would be helpful. I think that some =
people
>>>>>> will think of a message-body as still a body-part.=CB=9B I think =
section
>>>>>> 1.1 describes the difference between a message-body and a =
body-part.
>>>>>> I don=C4=85t think we should copy/paste that in sections 1.2 and =
1.3.
>>>>>> Or, did I misunderstand you comment?
>>>>> On reflection, I think this might be fine like it is. I know that
>>>>> some people casually refer to the entire body as still a =
=E2=80=9Cpart=E2=80=9D, but
>>>>> that doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be reflected in the MIME RFCs. =
Let=E2=80=99s see if
>>>>> anyone comments in LC.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Christer
>>>=20
>>=20
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core of the IETF.

        Title           : Content-ID header field in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
        Authors         : Christer Holmberg
                          Ivo Sedlacek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-06.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2017-06-05

Abstract:
   This document specifies the Content-ID header field for usage in the
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP).  The document also updates RFC
   5621, to enable a Content-ID URL to reference a complete message-body
   and metadata provided by some additional SIP header fields.


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Given the lack of topics that require in-person discussion, SIPCORE will 
not be meeting in Prague. However, that doesn't mean the working group 
lacks for items to work on.

Thanks!

Jean

On 6/2/17 3:10 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote:
> So far I have heard from one author. Anyone else?
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> Jean
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> On 5/30/17 10:22 AM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote:
>> Hi all,
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>> Does anyone have anything they want to present? If so, let us know. 
>> The chairs need to get in a scheduling request by this Friday, UTC 
>> 23:59 2017-06-02.
>>
>> Thanks!
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Title: Liaison Statement to IETF on location source parameter
Submission Date: 2017-06-07
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1527/
Please reply by 2017-06-22
From: Sylwia Korycinska <Sylwia.Korycinska@etsi.org>
To: Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>,Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>,Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>,Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>
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Body: 1. Overall description:

ETSI NTECH with collaboration of a number of other ETSI Technical Bodies is developing the protocol specifications in response to the European Commission Mandate M/493 about the determination and transport of the emergency caller location.

The EC Mandate requires that, the emergency caller’s location information be provided by the Voice Service Providers (VSPs) in signalling messages they send towards PSAPs (Public Safety Answering Points) via an Emergency Service Routing Function (ESRF) and an Emergency Service Routing Proxy (ESRP). This information is used to select the correct PSAP to be involved for an emergency call and to reveal the caller's location to the selected PSAP.

The protocol specifications that ETSI is developing is based on ETSI’s specification, ES 203 178, which provide functional requirements addressing the mandate of the European Commission and requires to ensure distinguishing network-provided from user-provided location information.

ETSI ES 203 178 don’t preclude the use of user-provided location information but requires a means of being able to distinguish location information added by a network node to the SIP message from that provided by the user equipment.

Discussions have taken place in the ETSI NTECH committee on protocol mechanisms for implementing the requirement specified in ES 203 178. ETSI NTECH is aware of draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam, that provides a solution to fulfil this requirement and the current draft protocol specifications rely on it. 

ETSI NTECH is interested in receiving information from the IETF sipcore working group on their work plan and milestones for further developing the location source parameter as described in draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam. Our goal is to approve the protocol specifications for emergency service caller location determination and transport in the third quarter of 2017.


2. Actions:
IETF sipcore working group to confirm that the group intends to work on the specification of the location source parameter, and make it become an RFC, so as to enable its use to support the emergency caller location as defined by ETSI M493 Group.

3. Date of next meetings of the originator:
12 June 2017 – online meeting
17-19 October 2017, Sophia Antipolis (F) 

Attachments: 
(if applicable)   http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_es/203100_203199/203178/01.01.01_60/es_203178v010101p.pdf
Attachments:

    NTECH(17)18_012r2_Liaison_Statement_to_IETF_on location_source_parameter.pdf
    https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2017-06-07-etsi-ntech-sipcore-art-liaison-statement-to-ietf-on-location-source-parameter-attachment-1.pdf


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I have been involved in recent discussions on whether Privacy: "header" app=
lies to P-Asserted-Identity, or rather whether the original meaning of RFC =
3323 was that it applies to PAI. The uncertainty introduced in RFC 3323 is =
imported by 3GPP by explicit references.

The reason this is unclear is that RFC 3323 section 5 states that the docum=
ent defines the logical role of "privacy service" and states the applicabil=
ity as: "The function of a privacy service is to supply privacy functions f=
or SIP messages that cannot be provided by user agents themselves." So in m=
y mind the question is whether the inclusion of Privacy: "id" by a UA as sp=
ecified in RFC 3325 fulfills the "provided by user agents themselves."

It makes logical sense to not cover PAI with "header" as there is a separat=
e privacy value for this.

Anyone having a comment or knows the original intent?

Regards,
J=F6rgen

Dr. J=D6RGEN AXELL
Senior specialist
Business Unit Cloud and IP

Ericsson
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Hi,



The following snippet from RFC 3325 section 9.3 seems applicable: =E2=80=9C=
Note
that a user requesting multiple types of privacy MUST include all of the
requested privacy types in its Privacy header field value.=E2=80=9D



Concerning "header", RFC 3323 indicates =E2=80=9Cserver SHOULD NOT add any =
headers
to the message that reveal any identity=E2=80=9D.  However, my recollection=
 is that
it doesn=E2=80=99t prevent intermediaries from adding PAI with/without inte=
rmediary
also adding privacy "id".



Thus, your interpretation sounds correct.





*From:* sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *J=C3=B6rge=
n
Axell
*Sent:* Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:30 AM
*To:* 'sipcore'
*Subject:* [sipcore] Applicability of privacy "header"



I have been involved in recent discussions on whether Privacy: "header"
applies to P-Asserted-Identity, or rather whether the original meaning of
RFC 3323 was that it applies to PAI. The uncertainty introduced in RFC 3323
is imported by 3GPP by explicit references.



The reason this is unclear is that RFC 3323 section 5 states that the
document defines the logical role of "privacy service" and states the
applicability as: "The function of a privacy service is to supply privacy
functions for SIP messages that cannot be provided by user agents
themselves." So in my mind the question is whether the inclusion of
Privacy: "id" by a UA as specified in RFC 3325 fulfills the "provided by
user agents themselves."



It makes logical sense to not cover PAI with "header" as there is a
separate privacy value for this.



Anyone having a comment or knows the original intent?



Regards,

J=C3=B6rgen



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g snippet from RFC 3325 section 9.3 seems applicable: =E2=80=9CNote that a =
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ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Concerning &quot;header&quot;, RF=
C 3323 indicates =E2=80=9Cserver SHOULD NOT add any headers to the message =
that reveal any identity=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 However, my recollection is that i=
t doesn=E2=80=99t prevent intermediaries from adding PAI with/without inter=
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an style=3D"color:#1f497d">Thus, your interpretation sounds correct.</span>=
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nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
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uot;"> sipcore [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org">sipcore-=
bounces@ietf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J=C3=B6rgen Axell<br><b>Sent:</b>=
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iginal meaning of RFC 3323 was that it applies to PAI. The uncertainty intr=
oduced in RFC 3323 is imported by 3GPP by explicit references.</span></p><p=
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ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The reason this is unclear is that RFC 3323 sec=
tion 5 states that the document defines the logical role of &quot;privacy s=
ervice&quot; and states the applicability as: &quot;The function of a priva=
cy service is to supply privacy functions for SIP messages that cannot be p=
rovided by user agents themselves.&quot; So in my mind the question is whet=
her the inclusion of Privacy: &quot;id&quot; by a UA as specified in RFC 33=
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'A SIP Response Code for Unwanted Calls'
  (draft-ietf-sipcore-status-unwanted-06.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Session Initiation Protocol Core Working
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The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Ben Campbell.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-status-unwanted/





Technical Summary

   This document defines the 607 (Unwanted) SIP response code, allowing
   called parties to indicate that the call or message was unwanted.
   SIP entities may use this information to adjust how future calls from
   this calling party are handled for the called party or more broadly.
   This is part of the larger toolkit of SIP tools being developed to
   help mitigate the issue of large-scale unwanted phone calls.

Working Group Summary

  The period of discussion for this draft was uncharacteristically short and
  vigorous for the SIPCORE working group, with over 150 messages spanning a
  three-month period. Support for the mechanism was universal, with the only
  real point of contention being how far the document should go in prescribing
  specific behaviors by network elements upon receipt of the response code. The
  current version reflects carefully crafted wording that reflects the intention
  of the code while avoiding the concerns of those parties that did not want to
  see future call-rejection behavior normatively defined.

  This draft originally defined the response code to be 666. The working
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  has been brought to the IETF by the United States FCC and major US
  telecommunications carriers as a necessary tool for fighting unwanted phone
  calls. There is a strong implication that these parties plan to ensure a
  wide-scale roll-out of the response code, at least within the United States,
  and likely elsewhere.

Personnel

  Adam Roach is the document shepherd. Ben Campbell is the responsible
  area director.


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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Clarifications for when to use the name-addr production in SIP
   messages'
  (draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance-02.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Session Initiation Protocol Core Working
Group.

The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Ben Campbell.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-name-addr-guidance/




Technical Summary

   RFC3261 constrained several SIP header fields whose grammar contains
   the "name-addr / addr-spec" alternative to use name-addr when certain
   characters appear.  Unfortunately it expressed the constraints with
   prose copied into each header field definition, and at least one
   header field was missed.  Further, the constraint has not been copied
   into documents defining extension headers whose grammar contains the
   alternative.

   This document updates RFC3261 to state the constraint generically,
   and clarifies that the constraint applies to all SIP header fields
   where there is a choice between using name-addr or addr-spec.  It
   also updates those extension SIP header fields that use the
   alternative to clarify that the constraint applies (RFCs 3325, 3515,
   3892, 4508, 5002, 5318, 5360, and 5502).


Working Group Summary

  This defect in 3261 has plagued SIP for some time, and is responsible 
  for several errata.  The working group was universal in it’s desire to 
  fix this once and for all.
  

Document Quality

  The document has been well reviewed within the SIP working group. 
  A number of improvements have been made based on reviewer comments.  
  The document is short, to the point, and clear.

Personnel

  Brian Rosen is the document shepherd. Ben Campbell is the responsible
  area director.


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The IESG has received a request from the Session Initiation Protocol Core WG
(sipcore) to consider the following document: - 'Content-ID header field in
Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)'
  <draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-06.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
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Abstract


   This document specifies the Content-ID header field for usage in the
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP).  The document also updates RFC
   5621, to enable a Content-ID URL to reference a complete message-body
   and metadata provided by some additional SIP header fields.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.





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Reviewer: Elwyn Davies
Review result: Ready with Nits

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Document: draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-06
Reviewer: Elwyn Davies
Review Date: 2017-06-22
IETF LC End Date: 2017-06-27
IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary:
Ready with nits.  There are a couple of minor issues related to the procedures
after inappropriate usage of the new header.

Major issues:
None

Minor issues:
s3.4.1, last para: In line with the last sentence of Section 3.2, the
Content-ID URL only needs to be unique within the SIP message where it occurs.
 I assume it does not make sense to have a Content-ID header combined with a
mutipart message-body (this isn't stated - maybe it should be); I am not
sufficiently knowledgeable in this area of SIP to know if there could be
content-id URLs in other headers if there is a Content-ID header in the
message.  Thus either the statement about global uniqueness is irrelevant (as
there is only one) and can be removed or it should be made consistent with s3.2
so that the Content URLs are unique within the message. Global uniqueness is
neither possible or required.

s3.4.1, para 1: Following on from the previous comment: Is a UA allowed to add
a Content-ID header to a message with a multipart message-body?

s3.4.1: What should a UA do if it receives a message with a Content-ID header
when the message is not allowed to contain one?  Is there some generic error
procedure that should be referenced?

s6.1: I started looking for specification that told me that items added to the
SIP header fields registry effectively extend the definition of the
message-header production in Section 25.1of RFC 3261.  Bit obvious perhaps, but
it would be nice if it had been said somewhere!  Time for an Erratum perhaps?

Nits/editorial comments:
Abstract:  I would suggest adding a sentence that clarifies what the update of
RFC 5621 is modifying: OLD: The document also updates RFC 5621, to enable a
Content-ID URL to reference a complete message-body and metadata provided by
some additional SIP header fields. NEW: The document also updates RFC 5621,
which only allows a Content-ID URL to reference a body-part that is part of a
multipart message-body.  This update enables a Content-ID URL to reference a
complete message-body and metadata provided by some additional SIP header
fields. END

s1.2, first bullet: s/for providing location/for providing location information/

s1.4.1: Need to expand UAC (User Agent Client) on first usage.

s1.4.1, para 1: s/can be e.g. of/can be, for example, of/

s3.4.1: Need to expand UA (User Agent) on first usage (in section title).

s4, NEW text: s/allow creating/allow the creation of/



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On 6/23/17 10:53 AM, Elwyn Davies wrote:

> 2.  If a message of a kind that can legitimately have a Content-ID 
> arrives with a Content-ID (or indeed any Content-*) header but no 
> message-body, presumably one would send a 400 error with a suitable 
> reason phrase.  I think it would be worth being explicit about this.

I don't see any reason for this. It is a degenerate case, but harmless.

The reason for including Content-ID is to allow use of cid: URLs. 
Presumably a cid: url referencing a Content-ID where there is no body 
would be problematic, though perhaps there may again be some degenerate 
case where it could make sense.

	Thanks,
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Hi,

Since no response after trying sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu, I
thought that I'd try here.

What are the ways that a device determines to send mid-dialog SIP requests
using TLS over TCP?

If I understand correctly, the following are some:

1 ) Although deprecated, sip-uri contains "transport=tls".

2) RFC 3263 NAPTR/SRV stuff.

3) RFC 5626 outbound stuff.

4) sips-uri is used with "transport=tcp".

5) Local policy.

Are there others?  For instance...

Does "transport=tcp" and port 5061 indicate to use TLS?

Does "transport=tcp" and already open TLS connection to the port indicate
to use the connection?  If so, is it true even if destination was
originally TLS client and mutual authentication not supported?

Thanks,
Brett


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Subject: [sipcore] RFC 7118: concerning transport=wss (and deprecated transport=tls)
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Hi,

Since the working group does not want to sanction the use of transport=tls
and transport=wss within sip-uri, it makes it hard to signal the required
transport to be used for mid-requests.  As far as I know, it forces
compliant devices to rely upon mechanisms such as DNS, sips, or local
policy to determine if wss (or tls) should continue to be used.

For example as discussed in a 2015 email thread, the RFC 7118 section 8.2
example should be modified or clarified as to what causes the client to
send ACK using transport wss instead of ws.

Should RFC 7118 be modified?  If so, how?

Section 5.5 indicates lack of DNS NAPTR/SRV support; thus can't rely upon
that.

Support for "sips" is not common; thus can't rely upon that.

If I recall correctly, the pushback about updating RFC 7118 was caused by
the desire to also do something about reviving the deprecated
"transport=tls".  However since it doesn't look like there is consensus to
sanction the use of "transport=tls", it seems like a decision concerning
RFC 7118 update/errata might now be possible.

Thanks,
Brett


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core of the IETF.

        Title           : Content-ID header field in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)
        Authors         : Christer Holmberg
                          Ivo Sedlacek
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-07.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2017-06-28

Abstract:
   This document specifies the Content-ID header field for usage in the
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP).  The document also updates RFC
   5621, which only allows a Content-ID URL to reference a body-part
   that is part of a multipart message-body.  This update enables a
   Content-ID URL to reference a complete message-body and metadata
   provided by some additional SIP header fields.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-07

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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipcore-content-id-07


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