From nobody Tue Jul 3 09:04:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728AF131071; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: ben@nostrum.com, sipcore@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153063362146.4893.16559651238346469461.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 09:00:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] sipcore - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 102 X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 16:00:31 -0000 Dear Jean Mahoney, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. sipcore Session 1 (1:00 requested) Friday, 20 July 2018, Afternoon Session I 1150-1320 Room Name: Saint-Paul/Sainte-Catherine size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/sessions/sipcore.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Session Initiation Protocol Core Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Jean Mahoney Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 40 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: avtcore dispatch ice modern stir Second Priority: mmusic rtcweb sipbrandy People who must be present: Ben Campbell Brian Rosen Jean Mahoney Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jul 4 11:31:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31325129619; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=standardstrack.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vf5A1Pkna0MP; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz221.inmotionhosting.com (biz221.inmotionhosting.com [144.208.71.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34065130E01; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=standardstrack.com; s=default; h=To:Date:Message-Id:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=L1rv9w7cV0vC1NgLga4si0/FIEnoRSQflLu00V7ALUo=; b=guPtwXf7hxReUXkx43k1KbAx82 iXY6c7+wbN6dGTbPS2uLcMp2y6iH7q6NIwd0JkyHctwPqhcgnbqXLqQET4eJv/i+hbedn/V/OQm0z pUaxy9oMH3Jd2h6lTWWAXrtsFGF+Rk+whHX/PvU/6DFGiL0sKYn7Pm76F60hNffa6uH8=; Received: from [68.100.196.217] (port=50561 helo=[192.168.10.26]) by biz221.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1famYk-00CvQS-BJ; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:31:35 -0700 From: Eric Burger Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E518C6EA-EEB6-4223-B6C5-AA18F3E4848A"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <960014FD-2541-4142-85C6-DDABE15B782E@standardstrack.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:31:21 -0400 To: sipcore@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz221.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: eburger+standardstrack.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: eburger@standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Rejected Result Code (middle box version of Unwanted) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 18:31:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E518C6EA-EEB6-4223-B6C5-AA18F3E4848A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Apologies for posting late - I=E2=80=99ll get these into the ID system = when it opens again on the 14th. In the mean time, for your reading = pleasure is a draft that describes a protocol mechanism that is = excruciatingly similar to Unwanted (607), but different enough that it = needs its own result code. I am cross-posting to the STIR list because STIR folks will be the most = interested in this code. However, for sanity please keep the discussion, = flames, and +1=E2=80=99s to the SIPCORE list. = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.html= = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.pdf Thanks, and I hope to make it to Montr=C3=A9al this time. - Eric= --Apple-Mail=_E518C6EA-EEB6-4223-B6C5-AA18F3E4848A Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIILLTCCBT8w ggQnoAMCAQICECzq4AzxyWIAHSANkKiM6BQwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgZcxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdC MRswGQYDVQQIExJHcmVhdGVyIE1hbmNoZXN0ZXIxEDAOBgNVBAcTB1NhbGZvcmQxGjAYBgNVBAoT EUNPTU9ETyBDQSBMaW1pdGVkMT0wOwYDVQQDEzRDT01PRE8gUlNBIENsaWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNh dGlvbiBhbmQgU2VjdXJlIEVtYWlsIENBMB4XDTE4MDEwMzAwMDAwMFoXDTE5MDEwMzIzNTk1OVow 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In the mean time, for your reading pleasure is a draft that describes a protocol mechanism that is excruciatingly similar to Unwanted (607), but different enough that it needs its own result code. I quickly read over this draft. It seems in pretty good shape to me. I did notice one terminology issue: The following in section 3: A SIP User Agent Server (UAS) MAY issue the 608 code in a failure response for an INVITE, MESSAGE, SUBSCRIBE, or other out-of-dialog SIP [RFC3261] request to indicate that an intermediary rejected the offered communication as unwanted by the user. A UAS, particularly in a back-to-back user agent or proxy MAY issue the 608 as the value of the "cause" parameter of a SIP reason-value in a Reason header field [RFC3326]. This is conflating UAS and Proxy. Specifically: A UAS, particularly in a back-to-back user agent or proxy MAY ... A UAS isn't "in" a proxy. Proxies and UAs are different animals, even though B2BUAs often act much like proxies. I suggest instead: An intermediary (proxy or B2BUA) MAY ... Thanks, Paul > I am cross-posting to the STIR list because STIR folks will be the most interested in this code. However, for sanity please keep the discussion, flames, and +1’s to the SIPCORE list. > > https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt > https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.html > https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.pdf > > Thanks, and I hope to make it to Montréal this time. > > - Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > From nobody Wed Jul 4 13:27:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536FE1310EF for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset=utf-8 Good catch! Easy to fix. Thanks. > On Jul 4, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Paul Kyzivat = wrote: >=20 > Eric, >=20 > On 7/4/18 2:31 PM, Eric Burger wrote: >> Apologies for posting late - I=E2=80=99ll get these into the ID = system when it opens again on the 14th. In the mean time, for your = reading pleasure is a draft that describes a protocol mechanism that is = excruciatingly similar to Unwanted (607), but different enough that it = needs its own result code. >=20 > I quickly read over this draft. It seems in pretty good shape to me. I = did notice one terminology issue: >=20 > The following in section 3: >=20 > A SIP User Agent Server (UAS) MAY issue the 608 code in a failure > response for an INVITE, MESSAGE, SUBSCRIBE, or other out-of-dialog > SIP [RFC3261] request to indicate that an intermediary rejected the > offered communication as unwanted by the user. A UAS, particularly > in a back-to-back user agent or proxy MAY issue the 608 as the value > of the "cause" parameter of a SIP reason-value in a Reason header > field [RFC3326]. >=20 > This is conflating UAS and Proxy. Specifically: >=20 > A UAS, particularly in a back-to-back user agent or proxy MAY ... >=20 > A UAS isn't "in" a proxy. Proxies and UAs are different animals, even = though B2BUAs often act much like proxies. I suggest instead: >=20 > An intermediary (proxy or B2BUA) MAY ... >=20 > Thanks, > Paul >=20 >> I am cross-posting to the STIR list because STIR folks will be the = most interested in this code. However, for sanity please keep the = discussion, flames, and +1=E2=80=99s to the SIPCORE list. >> = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt >> = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.html= >> = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.pdf >> Thanks, and I hope to make it to Montr=C3=A9al this time. >> - Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> sipcore mailing list >> sipcore@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore --Apple-Mail=_E7F5F452-F438-4DCE-9AE2-188264CB2553 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIILLTCCBT8w 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charset=utf-8 In this call flow, the (target) UAC never gets the call. The proxy or = B2BUA, before routing the call to the (target) UAC asks the analytics = engine what to do with the call request. The analytics engine is what = determines the call is likely to be illegal or strongly unwanted, as = illegal clearly is jurisdiction-dependent. How human users mark something as likely illegal (or strongly unwanted) = is a 607 thing and out of scope for Rejected. It is unlikely for there to be a human sitting on the (originating) UAC. = One could imagine (hint) that a SIP UI would display something. One = could also imagine (hint) that if you pop out of SIP world, like you go = through a gateway into a Feature Group-D network, someone will play an = intercept like =E2=80=9CRejected by network; contact mumble-foo if you = think this is in error.=E2=80=9D That all said, should we be proposing = something in this draft, or should that be an exercise for the reader or = regulator? Note that one might imagine in most jurisdictions, the complaints = won=E2=80=99t be going to the regulator but to the intermediary. There = are existing mechanisms for callers unfairly being blocked to contact = their regulator. With this all said, do you or anyone else think I need to put some more = language in the draft to make it clear who is saying what to whom, when? > On Jul 4, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Asveren, Tolga wrote: >=20 > A few questions after a quick read: >=20 > i- How can the UAC indicate that the call is "illegal" (v.s. = "unwanted" which is signaled with 607)? Is the assumption that this = would be conveyed by "out of band" mechanisms, e.g. through a web = portal? >=20 > ii- Shouldn=E2=80=99t the case of non-supporting UACs be considered, = somehow, if conveying "blocked by the network intermediary" is mandated = by regulation/jurisdiction? >=20 > iii- "Upon receiving a 608 response, UACs perform normal processing = for 6xx responses." > It may be valuable to mention that 608 should ideally cause an = indication to be rendered to the UAC enduser (the human). This = indication probably should include also some instructions, e.g. = where/how to contact relevant authorities. Otherwise, how can he be = aware of the situation and file a complaint if the call is blocked as a = result of a false positive? >=20 > Thanks, > Tolga >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sipcore On Behalf Of Eric Burger >> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 2:31 PM >> To: sipcore@ietf.org; stir@ietf.org >> Subject: [sipcore] Rejected Result Code (middle box version of = Unwanted) >>=20 >> Apologies for posting late - I=E2=80=99ll get these into the ID = system when it opens >> again on the 14th. In the mean time, for your reading pleasure is a = draft that >> describes a protocol mechanism that is excruciatingly similar to = Unwanted >> (607), but different enough that it needs its own result code. >>=20 >> I am cross-posting to the STIR list because STIR folks will be the = most >> interested in this code. However, for sanity please keep the = discussion, >> flames, and +1=E2=80=99s to the SIPCORE list. >>=20 >> = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt >> = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.html= >> = https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.pdf >>=20 >> Thanks, and I hope to make it to Montr=C3=A9al this time. >>=20 >> - Eric --Apple-Mail=_D3441F12-44EB-4661-8B91-8D85BE3F3ACE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 In this call flow, the (target) UAC never gets the call. The = proxy or B2BUA, before routing the call to the (target) UAC asks the = analytics engine what to do with the call request. The analytics engine = is what determines the call is likely to be illegal or strongly unwanted, as illegal clearly = is jurisdiction-dependent.

How human users mark something as likely illegal (or strongly unwanted) is a 607 thing and out of scope = for Rejected.

It= is unlikely for there to be a human sitting on the (originating) UAC. = One could imagine (hint) that a SIP UI would display something. One = could also imagine (hint) that if you pop out of SIP world, like you go = through a gateway into a Feature Group-D network, someone will play an = intercept like =E2=80=9CRejected by network; contact mumble-foo if you = think this is in error.=E2=80=9D That all said, should we be proposing = something in this draft, or should that be an exercise for the reader or = regulator?

Note = that one might imagine in most jurisdictions, the complaints won=E2=80=99t= be going to the regulator but to the intermediary. There are existing = mechanisms for callers unfairly being blocked to contact their = regulator.

With this all said, do you or anyone else think I need to put = some more language in the draft to make it clear who is saying what to = whom, when?


On Jul 4, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Asveren, Tolga = <tasveren@rbbn.com> wrote:

A = few questions after a quick read:

i- How = can the UAC indicate that the call is "illegal" (v.s. "unwanted" which = is signaled with 607)? Is the assumption that this would be conveyed by = "out of band" mechanisms, e.g. through a web portal?

ii- Shouldn=E2=80=99t the case of non-supporting UACs be = considered, somehow, if conveying "blocked by the network intermediary" = is mandated by regulation/jurisdiction?  

iii- "Upon receiving a 608 response, UACs perform normal = processing for 6xx responses."
It may be valuable to = mention that 608 should ideally cause an indication to be rendered to = the UAC enduser (the human). This indication probably should include = also some instructions, e.g. where/how to contact relevant authorities. = Otherwise, how can he be aware of the situation and file a complaint if = the call is blocked as a result of a false positive?

Thanks,
Tolga

-----Original = Message-----
From: sipcore <sipcore-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Burger
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 2:31 PM
To: sipcore@ietf.org; stir@ietf.org
Subject: [sipcore] Rejected Result Code (middle box version = of Unwanted)

Apologies for posting late - = I=E2=80=99ll get these into the ID system when it opens
again on the 14th.  In the mean time, for your reading = pleasure is a draft that
describes a protocol mechanism = that is excruciatingly similar to Unwanted
(607), but = different enough that it needs its own result code.

I am cross-posting to the STIR list because STIR folks will = be the most
interested in this code. However, for sanity = please keep the discussion,
flames, and +1=E2=80=99s to = the SIPCORE list.

https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejec= ted-00.txt
https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejec= ted-00.html
https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejec= ted-00.pdf

Thanks, and I hope to make it to = Montr=C3=A9al this time.

- Eric

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Any update on status? Regards Andy On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: > > Are there any news about draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October 2017. Are there remaining open issues? > > Bruno > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Fri Jul 6 11:19:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322D4130EE7 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Got4-Onyzgdx for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4113F130EB9 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w66IJ3MD031227 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:19:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: Andy Hutton , SIPCORE References: <11103_1524057825_5AD746E1_11103_355_1_88CAD1D4E8773F42858B58CAA28272A02B11634A@OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:19:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 18:19:22 -0000 Hi Andy, No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some of the other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this chair didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's best if authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03 address your input? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/ Thanks! Jean On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: > Just wondering why > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had > not been adopted yet. > > Any update on status? > > Regards > Andy > On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: >> >> Are there any news about draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October 2017. Are there remaining open issues? >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >> >> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; >> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. >> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. >> As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. >> Thank you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sipcore mailing list >> sipcore@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > From nobody Fri Jul 6 11:23:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D681C1274D0 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:23:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YX62cdnI1gvz for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA40C130E97 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w66INmPt032088 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:23:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: sipcore@ietf.org References: <11103_1524057825_5AD746E1_11103_355_1_88CAD1D4E8773F42858B58CAA28272A02B11634A@OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:23:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 18:23:52 -0000 Answered my own question looking through the diffs - I see that the update was mainly to un-expire the draft and that there is still outstanding feedback to be addressed (for instance, updating Security Considerations section). Jean On 7/6/18 1:19 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > Hi Andy, > > No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some of the > other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this chair > didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to > individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's best if > authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. > > A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03 > address your input? > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/ > > Thanks! > > Jean > > > On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: >> Just wondering why >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had >> not been adopted yet. >> >> Any update on status? >> >> Regards >> Andy >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: >>> >>> Are there any news about draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. >>> The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October 2017. >>> Are there remaining open issues? >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous >>> avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >>> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les >>> messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >>> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, >>> deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >>> >>> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or >>> privileged information that may be protected by law; >>> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. >>> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender >>> and delete this message and its attachments. >>> As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have >>> been modified, changed or falsified. >>> Thank you. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sipcore mailing list >>> sipcore@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sipcore mailing list >> sipcore@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore >> > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Fri Jul 6 11:45:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E52D130EE3 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:45:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xF9S-U-F0z4x for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alum-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu (alum-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu [18.7.68.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B91130E98 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 12074411-02fff70000007bb2-41-5b3fb8e27b27 Received: from outgoing-alum.mit.edu (OUTGOING-ALUM.MIT.EDU [18.7.68.33]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by alum-mailsec-scanner-5.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 87.D1.31666.3E8BF3B5; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PaulKyzivatsMBP.localdomain (c-24-62-227-142.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.62.227.142]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as pkyzivat@ALUM.MIT.EDU) by outgoing-alum.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id w66IjsgO025145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:45:54 -0400 To: sipcore@ietf.org References: <11103_1524057825_5AD746E1_11103_355_1_88CAD1D4E8773F42858B58CAA28272A02B11634A@OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <6e27ccc1-45d2-7443-0024-3a70a861a39a@alum.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:45:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixO6iqPt4h320wdYf3BZff2xic2D0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxq+ph1gLjolW7Pyzh6WB8bZgFyMHh4SAicTFP/ldjJwcQgI7 mCS6thR3MXIB2d+ZJD5sesIIkhAW8Ja4+LqHHcQWERCReDb9HxtEUTOTROftflaQBJuAlsSc Q/9ZQIbyCthLXOxhAwmzCKhIHP19DSwsKpAm0bG6HiTMKyAocXLmExYQmxOoetn9NmYQm1nA TGLe5odQtrjErSfzmSBseYntb+cwT2Dkn4WkfRaSlllIWmYhaVnAyLKKUS4xpzRXNzcxM6c4 NVm3ODkxLy+1SNdULzezRC81pXQTIyQgBXcwzjgpd4hRgINRiYf3Qrp9tBBrYllxZe4hRkkO JiVR3pBNQCG+pPyUyozE4oz4otKc1OJDjBIczEoivFr1QDnelMTKqtSifJiUNAeLkjgvs8ne KCGB9MSS1OzU1ILUIpisDAeHkgTvhO1AjYJFqempFWmZOSUIaSYOTpDhPEDDlUFqeIsLEnOL M9Mh8qcYLTkaLvRPYuaYd3QqkPzzHkgKseTl56VKifMGgDQIgDRklObBzYQlmFeM4kAvCvNe BaniASYnuKmvgBYyAS2cKGAHsrAkESEl1cA4x0Tw3XTv03c6Dx35YPJDZElH0vYbfRODvk2p +lKZtD732KrUC4Ls6xa/SJp+vJrFf4nbzZc2Xw35w1r11LIvzqh152i99Ov/g5o0082P/ifs OKihn+RZqV8ek6MZUDNj/6f26y9+F57eKjJZQs6G7euFvKcOXzRTyltuT+q3P/6lrC1e4vQR JZbijERDLeai4kQAaAgkUQsDAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 18:45:58 -0000 On 7/6/18 2:19 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > Hi Andy, > > No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some of the > other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this chair > didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to > individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's best if > authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. > > A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03 > address your input? Yes, it addresses my concern. Thanks, Paul > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/ > > Thanks! > > Jean > > > On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: >> Just wondering why >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had >> not been adopted yet. >> >> Any update on status? >> >> Regards >> Andy >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: >>> >>> Are there any news about draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. >>> The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October 2017. >>> Are there remaining open issues? >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous >>> avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >>> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les >>> messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >>> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, >>> deforme ou falsifie. 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Hi,
We had around 12 month ago the discussion about the draft and had a couple of comments which were addressed.
I see that this draft is ready for further proceeding since all comments are solved.
Best Regards
Roland
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Am 06.07.18, 20:45, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> schrieb:
On 7/6/18 2:19 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some of the
> other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this chair
> didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to
> individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's best if
> authors send a note to the list when there is a new version.
>
> A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03
> address your input?

Yes, it addresses my concern.

Thanks,
Paul

> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jean
>
>
> On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote:
>> Just wondering why
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had
>> not been adopted yet.
>>
>> Any update on status?
>>
>> Regards
>> Andy
>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, <bruno.chatras@orange.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any news about draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt.
>>> The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October 2017.
>>> Are there remaining open issues?
>>>
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations
>>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
>>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous
>>> avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
>>> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les
>>> messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
>>> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere,
>>> deforme ou falsifie. Merci.
>>>
>>> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or
>>> privileged information that may be protected by law;
>>> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
>>> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender
>>> and delete this message and its attachments.
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From nobody Fri Jul 6 12:20:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56986130EF3 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 12:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.875 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.875 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MSWLUZ6HbYBy for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57CEF12F1AB for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2018 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [94.198.138.203] ([94.198.138.203]) by msvc-mesg-web001.server.lan (via HTTP); Fri, 6 Jul 2018 21:20:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: "Roland Jesske" To: "A. Jean Mahoney" , "Andy Hutton" , SIPCORE Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Importance: normal Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 21:20:01 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jGbEXxy51e5CpNnSeU6KrQXWUyPeIJ4wwc8Hf1b75sW1DZc/aJgfIf0811k5OArj3lA8g VlJsmxNRZiHPz0eadndsMj/iO3J9s2IHnjKTJhfGFOSpTEIyaUIlJ25L/WUu1fLRbm/g+HqMhv/d YlZK/hUDxJzmLbYdIo7EEmnmsr5Nr95WE3kwpNHAqsLcyRUrd/rsrwQqci4KFNEoI9R40ptGXm6A WczxSez4R8sOsbQ5Pkolk9FtUjSTUFOYOM81UQW9WB7wbmEQUFGr+S1EYjH3N5HILsP7IA6h8AM7 RI= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:574myKems6k=:MLevLDiKhnZTVk2PdiJnGF K02i1qLqhXZ55J4P/wu6du8kYyIf9oSySsNg/PQWRM50G/aVSYfm7ES2/eUpnPyW7t9UmLv1E fM5gSvWXzu1t4uF06oeCkmQsL2DodgfULsWL5bSNb/XASt1UHrDKCL/8rZ9zKs8ocyJ18OUf0 K+ayiZro6aFlL3fWkDCJe+gSUz4A2eVpHwEqs1J66MzD2UAnivYmoTkLyurgcvuI0G5UAEwQn ZfVJ3qKLIXwLFtaqtEPJjYfyLCYQiY5W5OF0CM+ciaSZ9d0HjcYm7uAyG7qtHZ9Z/uav+CgwM vDCtPN0VANxcxhzb+0KHZW4+t3KCWqq59nshLynGuCw7Y3SgHLRGmubIhm5qJRXP0PrbMyzL9 NlGMpda99Hv49x8EsTVYg8ISshZIjd4JroypMHhEvXEm3/ZVwQ4M6mcebQLp3IL+eldSrG9Dp VaA6C3Cb4wqsaiP8Pd8ucOOld9WLQFqM2bxznsv0nu+HnxSrpuEg0iyI3H59GrHT6eDvHAnn4 hv9OXKXq+ht0p1fL5ysMPE= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 19:20:14 -0000
Hi Jean,
With regard to draft-ietf-sipcore-q850-loc we had a WGLC where all comments were addressed in the version 03.
Since that time I'm waiting for further proceeding. The draft itself has a little extension to the reason header. The content, I think, does need no additional changes.
So I would appreciate if we can process this draft further to publication.

Best Regards
Roland



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Am 06.07.18, 20:19, "A. Jean Mahoney" <mahoney@nostrum.com> schrieb:
Hi Andy,

No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some of the
other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this chair
didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to
individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's best if
authors send a note to the list when there is a new version.

A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03
address your input?

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/

Thanks!

Jean


On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote:
> Just wondering why
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had
> not been adopted yet.
>
> Any update on status?
>
> Regards
> Andy
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, <bruno.chatras@orange.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any news about draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October 2017. Are there remaining open issues?
>>
>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
>> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
>> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.
>>
>> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;
>> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
>> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.
>> As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.
>> Thank you.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> sipcore mailing list
>> sipcore@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore
>
> _______________________________________________
> sipcore mailing list
> sipcore@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore
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<960014FD-2541-4142-85C6-DDABE15B782E@standardstrack.com> <90d03122-da92-e235-5d08-0f046786daa7@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <90d03122-da92-e235-5d08-0f046786daa7@alum.mit.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.157] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrAIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2J7ka6lmHO0wYyTMhYrNhxgtfj6YxOb A5PH3/cfmDyWLPnJFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVx/dZipoIPshU7pn9laWD8Id7FyMkhIWAi MenNTKYuRi4OIYGjjBLbDnczQzhfGSX+ffjMDuEsZZTYc2IdUBkHB5uAhUT3P22QbhGBQImr SyYwg9jCAj4Sa68sZ4GI+0q8eruBHaRcRMBKYnFbEkiYRUBF4t6GU+wgNq+AtcS9GfuYQGwh gWqJfcc+gMU5BRwkrnx4BTaGUUBM4vupNWA1zALiEreezGeCOFpAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WEFs UQE9iQ0nbrNDxJUktvRugerVk7gxdQobhG0tcbhpNyuErS2xbOFrZoh7BCVOznzCMoFRfBaS dbOQtM9C0j4LSfssJO0LGFlXMYoWpxYX56YbGeulFmUmFxfn5+nlpZZsYgTG28Etv3V3MK5+ 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Nothing technical, but issues where I think some additional text might be needed. Q1: The introduction says: "This document describes a new SIP response code, 608, which allows calling parties to learn their call was rejected by an intermediary." That seems like 608 can be used by an intermediary for whatever reason. However, the rest of the document talks about more specific use-cases where 608 is used. If 608 is to be used only for specific use-cases, I think you should e.g., enhance the sentence above and describe that. Q2: An out-of-dialog request may reach the called user using different paths (due to Outbound, forking etc), which means different requests may traverse different intermediaries. I think it would be good to have some consideration/guidance text regarding that. Q3: Section 3 says: "Unless there are indicators the calling party will use the contents of the Call-Info header for malicious purposes (see Section 6), if a UAS issues a 608 code, the UAS MUST include a Call-Info header in the response.=B2 Elsewhere in the document you talk about intermediaries sending the 608. While an intermediary obviously implement the UAS role, I think you should have consistent terminology. Q4: Section 3 says: "UACs MUST be prepared to receive a full vCard.=B2 You should clarify that this applies to UACs supporting the 608 code. Regards, Christer On 04/07/18 22:19, "sipcore on behalf of Paul Kyzivat" wrote: >Eric, > >On 7/4/18 2:31 PM, Eric Burger wrote: >> Apologies for posting late - I=B9ll get these into the ID system when it >>opens again on the 14th. In the mean time, for your reading pleasure is >>a draft that describes a protocol mechanism that is excruciatingly >>similar to Unwanted (607), but different enough that it needs its own >>result code. > >I quickly read over this draft. It seems in pretty good shape to me. I >did notice one terminology issue: > >The following in section 3: > > A SIP User Agent Server (UAS) MAY issue the 608 code in a failure > response for an INVITE, MESSAGE, SUBSCRIBE, or other out-of-dialog > SIP [RFC3261] request to indicate that an intermediary rejected the > offered communication as unwanted by the user. A UAS, particularly > in a back-to-back user agent or proxy MAY issue the 608 as the value > of the "cause" parameter of a SIP reason-value in a Reason header > field [RFC3326]. > >This is conflating UAS and Proxy. Specifically: > > A UAS, particularly in a back-to-back user agent or proxy MAY ... > >A UAS isn't "in" a proxy. Proxies and UAs are different animals, even >though B2BUAs often act much like proxies. I suggest instead: > > An intermediary (proxy or B2BUA) MAY ... > > Thanks, > Paul > >> I am cross-posting to the STIR list because STIR folks will be the most >>interested in this code. However, for sanity please keep the discussion, >>flames, and +1=B9s to the SIPCORE list. >>=20 >>=20 >>https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt >>=20 >>https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.htm >>l >>=20 >>https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.pdf >>=20 >> Thanks, and I hope to make it to Montr=E9al this time. >>=20 >> - Eric >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> sipcore mailing list >> sipcore@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore >>=20 > >_______________________________________________ >sipcore mailing list >sipcore@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Mon Jul 9 15:00:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243BA13111C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AMe63HdEOmZ for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F378F13109B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w69Lxkvq012298 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:59:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: SIPCORE From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:59:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:00:02 -0000 We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore document. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. Thanks, Jean, as co-chair From nobody Mon Jul 9 15:00:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A601310D8 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AHtSlAAmvA5D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F2FE13108B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w69Lxajl012289 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:59:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: sipcore@ietf.org References: From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: <859713b7-85db-b366-8d5c-842e21f48992@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:59:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:00:02 -0000 Hi Roland, I went back through the comments on version -02, and found feedback on the Privacy Considerations and Security Considerations sections that has not yet been incorporated (What happens when an entity other than a phone adds a location, definition of a trusted network, Security Considerations of RFC 6442 out-of-date, etc.) That said, we can still ask the WG if they want to adopt the draft, and the draft can still be updated. Thanks, Jean On 7/6/18 2:10 PM, Roland Jesske wrote: > Hi, > We had around 12 month ago the discussion about the draft and had a > couple of comments which were addressed. > I see that this draft is ready for further proceeding since all comments > are solved. > Best Regards > Roland > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit WEB.DE > Mail gesendet. > Am 06.07.18, 20:45, Paul Kyzivat schrieb: > > On 7/6/18 2:19 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > > Hi Andy, > > > > No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some > of the > > other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this > chair > > didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to > > individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's > best if > > authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. > > > > A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03 > > address your input? > > Yes, it addresses my concern. > > Thanks, > Paul > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/ > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jean > > > > > > On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: > >> Just wondering why > >> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had > >> not been adopted yet. > >> > >> Any update on status? > >> > >> Regards > >> Andy > >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: > >>> > >>> Are there any news about > draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. > >>> The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October > 2017. > >>> Are there remaining open issues? > >>> > >>> Bruno > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > >>> > >>> > >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > >>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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[1.43.58.136]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c141-v6sm17885517pfc.25.2018.07.09.15.02.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Jul 2018 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: James Winterbottom In-Reply-To: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:02:05 +1000 Cc: SIPCORE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5FDA522E-83B5-4C42-9DE5-5952396B1882@gmail.com> References: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> To: "A. Jean Mahoney" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:02:13 -0000 I support this draft moving forward. > On 10 Jul 2018, at 7:59 am, A. Jean Mahoney = wrote: >=20 > We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore = document. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jean, as co-chair >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Mon Jul 9 15:03:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B5B13107D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A2NhwLYywTM4 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB6E131088 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w69M2o2L012788 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:02:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: Roland Jesske , Andy Hutton , SIPCORE References: From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:02:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:02:57 -0000 Hi Roland, Brian Rosen will be Doc-Shepherding the Q850-loc draft, so next step will be the shepherd write-up. Thanks, Jean On 7/6/18 2:20 PM, Roland Jesske wrote: > Hi Jean, > With regard to draft-ietf-sipcore-q850-loc we had a WGLC where all > comments were addressed in the version 03. > Since that time I'm waiting for further proceeding. The draft itself has > a little extension to the reason header. The content, I think, does need > no additional changes. > So I would appreciate if we can process this draft further to publication. > > Best Regards > Roland > > > > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit WEB.DE > Mail gesendet. > Am 06.07.18, 20:19, "A. Jean Mahoney" schrieb: > > Hi Andy, > > No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some of the > other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this chair > didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to > individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's best if > authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. > > A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03 > address your input? > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam/ > > Thanks! > > Jean > > > On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: > > Just wondering why > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had > > not been adopted yet. > > > > Any update on status? > > > > Regards > > Andy > > On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: > >> > >> Are there any news about > draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. The last mail I have > seen on that subject was sent on October 2017. Are there remaining > open issues? > >> > >> Bruno > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des > informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si > vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > >> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les > messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > >> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, > deforme ou falsifie. 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Jean Mahoney" CC: SIPCORE Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam Thread-Index: AQHUF9A1jHjZ9u4XgUiD0a9ElF6EsqSHT8qAgAC0H4A= Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:46:51 +0000 Message-ID: <30270_1531205211_5B44565B_30270_378_1_8B970F90C584EA4E97D5BAAC9172DBB849D5FA6E@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> <5FDA522E-83B5-4C42-9DE5-5952396B1882@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5FDA522E-83B5-4C42-9DE5-5952396B1882@gmail.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:46:56 -0000 +1 -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de James Winter= bottom Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 10 juillet 2018 00:02 =C0=A0: A. Jean Mahoney Cc=A0: SIPCORE Objet=A0: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locpa= ram I support this draft moving forward. > On 10 Jul 2018, at 7:59 am, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: >=20 > We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore docu= ment. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jean, as co-chair >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore _______________________________________________ sipcore mailing list sipcore@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Regards Albrecht Seus=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von A. Jean Mahon= ey Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 00:00 An: SIPCORE Betreff: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore docume= nt. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. Thanks, Jean, as co-chair _______________________________________________ sipcore mailing list sipcore@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Tue Jul 10 00:13:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D89130F0F for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tkLjK4Yi8IM for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta135.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD6A3130F07 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr05.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.69]) by opfednr21.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 41PthQ4V3rz5vmn; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:13:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.60]) by opfednr05.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 41PthQ4QNjzyQB; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:13:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::787e:db0c:23c4:71b3]) by OPEXCLILM7F.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::c1d7:e278:e357:11ad%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:13:10 +0200 From: To: "A.Seus@telekom.de" , "sipcore@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam Thread-Index: AQHUF9A1V3TG1DhsBkOzb6cydKIypKSH6FgAgAAi5TA= Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:13:09 +0000 Message-ID: <21269_1531206790_5B445C86_21269_180_1_88CAD1D4E8773F42858B58CAA28272A02B1CC27C@OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 07:13:14 -0000 +1 -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de A.Seus@telek= om.de Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 10 juillet 2018 09:08 =C0=A0: sipcore@ietf.org Objet=A0: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locpa= ram I support the adoption of the draft. Regards Albrecht Seus=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von A. Jean Mahon= ey Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 00:00 An: SIPCORE Betreff: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore docume= nt. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. Thanks, Jean, as co-chair _______________________________________________ sipcore mailing list sipcore@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore _______________________________________________ sipcore mailing list sipcore@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:21:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4FFFDCD2-EACA-407B-8E42-ADE883B6E07A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7DEAC0BB-7296-40D0-8E1A-6134062F17C8" --Apple-Mail=_7DEAC0BB-7296-40D0-8E1A-6134062F17C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 How backwards compatible do we need to be? I am of two minds here. The = purist in me says we need to make sure we have a great user experience = for people placing calls from all existing PSTN nodes. I am doing the = research now on how many carriers are still connected to the PSTN using = FG-D or other R2, non-digital modes. So, that would indicate a mechanism = like the below, where a 608-aware UAC sends their INVITE with a sip.608 = capability. Intermediaries that would reject the call that did not also = receive a sip.608 capability would play an intercept along with the 608, = whilst INVITES with the sip.608 capability just get the 608. The pragmatist in me says that most legitimate callers are or shortly = will be using native SIP to place calls, or are using carriers that use = SIP. What this means is legitimate bulk callers will be able to handle = 608 natively or their carrier will be able to generate an announcement. = In this scenario, if you are a legitimate bulk caller with a FG-D = interconnect, you will only get fast busy. Is it OK to say =E2=80=9COh Well=E2=80=9D for the latter bulk caller = case? Do we need to complicate the protocol to support 30+ year old = networks? If you are a residential consumer, presumably your local carrier will = know what to do with 608. The average residential consumer will have no = clue what to do, whether via data or an announcement. On Jul 8, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Asveren, Tolga wrote: > [TOLGA] I am not sure whether we can assume that no human is the = actual user on UAC. It could be that their AoR is blacklisted mistakenly = or maybe even as a result of an attack which spoofed their AoR (I think = we will continue to have some Robocall DBs based on, at least partially, = on non-STIR verified originating AoRs for some time). So, IMHO it is = imperative that an indication is provided to UAS even if it doesn=E2=80=99= t support this new response code. An announcement seems the most likely = approach to me. > This brings up another issue though: > Support for 608 should be indicated by a feature tag during = registration > Originating network can play announcement if feature tag is not used = and 608 is received > What would happen if originating network doesn=E2=80=99t support 608 = either? Rejecting element in the terminating network wouldn=E2=80=99t = know that UAC/Originating-Network don=E2=80=99t support 608 and = therefore can=E2=80=99t play announcement. And always playing = announcement does not seem like a good idea as it would be = redundant/annoying if 608 is supported. > From: Eric Burger > > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [sipcore] Rejected Result Code (middle box version of = Unwanted) >=20 > [snip] > It is unlikely for there to be a human sitting on the (originating) = UAC. One could imagine (hint) that a SIP UI would display something. One = could also imagine (hint) that if you pop out of SIP world, like you go = through a gateway into a Feature Group-D network, someone will play an = intercept like =E2=80=9CRejected by network; contact mumble-foo if you = think this is in error.=E2=80=9D That all said, should we be proposing = something in this draft, or should that be an exercise for the reader or = regulator? --Apple-Mail=_7DEAC0BB-7296-40D0-8E1A-6134062F17C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
How backwards compatible do we need to be? I = am of two minds here. The purist in me says we need to make sure we have = a great user experience for people placing calls from all existing PSTN = nodes. I am doing the research now on how many carriers are still = connected to the PSTN using FG-D or other R2, non-digital modes. So, = that would indicate a mechanism like the below, where a 608-aware UAC = sends their INVITE with a sip.608 capability. Intermediaries that would = reject the call that did not also receive a sip.608 capability would = play an intercept along with the 608, whilst INVITES with the sip.608 = capability just get the 608.

The pragmatist in me says that most = legitimate callers are or shortly will be using native SIP to place = calls, or are using carriers that use SIP. What this means is legitimate = bulk callers will be able to handle 608 natively or their carrier will = be able to generate an announcement. In this scenario, if you are a = legitimate bulk caller with a FG-D interconnect, you will only get fast = busy.

Is it OK = to say =E2=80=9COh Well=E2=80=9D for the latter bulk caller case? Do we = need to complicate the protocol to support 30+ year old = networks?

If you are a residential consumer, presumably your local = carrier will know what to do with 608. The average residential consumer = will have no clue what to do, whether via data or an = announcement.

On Jul 8, 2018, at 3:56 AM, Asveren, Tolga <tasveren@rbbn.com> = wrote:
[TOLGA] I am not sure = whether we can assume that no human is the actual user on UAC. It could = be that their AoR is blacklisted mistakenly or maybe even as a result of = an attack which spoofed their AoR (I think we will continue to have some = Robocall DBs based on, at least partially, on non-STIR verified = originating AoRs for some time). So, IMHO it is imperative that an = indication is provided to UAS even if it doesn=E2=80=99t support this = new response code. An announcement seems the most likely approach to = me.
This brings up another issue though:
Support for 608 should be indicated by a feature tag during = registration
Originating network can play announcement = if feature tag is not used and 608 is received
What would = happen if originating network doesn=E2=80=99t support 608 either? = Rejecting element in the terminating network wouldn=E2=80=99t know that = UAC/Originating-Network don=E2=80=99t support 608 and therefore can=E2=80=99= t play announcement. And always playing announcement does not seem like = a good idea as it would be redundant/annoying if 608 is = supported.

From: Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [sipcore] Rejected Result Code = (middle box version of Unwanted)

[snip]
It is unlikely for there to be a human = sitting on the (originating) UAC. One could imagine (hint) that a SIP UI = would display something. One could also imagine (hint) that if you pop = out of SIP world, like you go through a gateway into a Feature Group-D = network, someone will play an intercept like =E2=80=9CRejected by = network; contact mumble-foo if you think this is in error.=E2=80=9D That = all said, should we be proposing something in this draft, or should that = be an exercise for the reader or regulator?


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Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Updated 608 Drafts X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:08:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_389A3F81-537A-4712-A0DE-D8150638B887 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_72F23F75-865F-4A58-8C06-51BE47BCC08E" --Apple-Mail=_72F23F75-865F-4A58-8C06-51BE47BCC08E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I addressed all of the comments EXCEPT Tolga=E2=80=99s one on what to do = if the UAC / caller=E2=80=99s network does not understand 608. I=E2=80=99l= l wait a day or two to collect people=E2=80=99s thoughts (thanks = Pierce!). I did not update the file names so you can pull them using the last URI = I sent. All forms are in the directory: https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir = --Apple-Mail=_72F23F75-865F-4A58-8C06-51BE47BCC08E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I addressed all of the comments EXCEPT = Tolga=E2=80=99s one on what to do if the UAC / caller=E2=80=99s network = does not understand 608. I=E2=80=99ll wait a day or two to collect = people=E2=80=99s thoughts (thanks Pierce!).

I did not update the file names so you = can pull them using the last URI I sent. All forms are in the = directory:
https://standardstrack.com/ietf/stir

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Jean Mahoney" Cc: Ben Campbell Message-ID: <1c3de973-3a96-ac28-cebd-e5fe88b76f29@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:08:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0ac2b2d9-750a-81f2-6021-d5680308922a@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] sipcore - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 102 X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:08:25 -0000 Although we did get an offer from Christer to present sessiontimer again, we had no other presenters ask for time slots. Given that the current round of discussions don't seem to need face-to-face time, we'll be canceling the WG session. Thanks, Jean On 6/1/18 5:56 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > This meeting is tentatively scheduled to give us a little more time to > determine if there are any topics that would benefit from face-to-face > time in Montreal. Let the chairs know, thanks! > > On 6/1/18 4:33 PM, IETF Meeting Session Request Tool wrote: >> >> >> A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Jean Mahoney, >> a Chair of the sipcore working group. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Working Group Name: Session Initiation Protocol Core >> Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area >> Session Requester: Jean Mahoney >> >> Number of Sessions: 1 >> Length of Session(s):  1 Hour >> Number of Attendees: 40 >> Conflicts to Avoid: >>   First Priority: avtcore dispatch ice modern stir >>   Second Priority: mmusic rtcweb sipbrandy >> >> >> >> People who must be present: >>    Ben Campbell >>    Brian Rosen >>    Jean Mahoney >> >> Resources Requested: >> >> Special Requests: >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Wed Jul 11 09:59:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9F4130E40 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (body has been altered)" header.d=sonusnetworks.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tbLsBCgGNi9A for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-181.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-181.mimecast.com [63.128.21.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 223B9130E46 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=SonusNetworks.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-rbbn-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=MMNGZ4PxYXJTiMbbAPfOlb7USCkc/z/FBKpCGsbQsG0=; b=SVbSJgOLCjbhNqL48jbxhxUY9dJoJaT/oH+skVYR7P7MoSmideTsYvLDhef1oxRAlYz7CvIjcgubQy9sUs/D195OgrgQ1wKxQeJz3b02X94iMAYRZQmijU7CXdLqdotaWm3OMNRP61dUzHVcv7q0gUuNIc5TdL6BPeFSExSwbf8= Received: from NAM01-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-sn1nam01lp0117.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.117]) (Using TLS) by us-smtp-1.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-126-xDRoSTCvPSCDJNPVPO8tyA-1; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:59:08 -0400 Received: from MWHPR03MB2815.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.175.135.9) by MWHPR03MB2480.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.169.200.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.930.20; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:58:26 +0000 Received: from MWHPR03MB2815.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8115:29ed:1872:fe23]) by MWHPR03MB2815.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::8115:29ed:1872:fe23%11]) with mapi id 15.20.0930.022; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:58:26 +0000 From: "Asveren, Tolga" To: "Gorman, Pierce A [CTO]" , Eric Burger , "sipcore@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Rejected Result Code: How backwards compatible? 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Juli 2018 00:02 > An: A. Jean Mahoney > Cc: SIPCORE > Betreff: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locp= aram >=20 > I support this draft moving forward. >=20 >=20 > > On 10 Jul 2018, at 7:59 am, A. Jean Mahoney > wrote: > > > > We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore > document. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jean, as co-chair > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sipcore mailing list > > sipcore@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore From nobody Thu Jul 12 01:30:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB0C13106C for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 01:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.71 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3dc282a5-25a7-4835-0baa-08d5e7d1bb93 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Jul 2018 08:30:32.2709 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: e7ab81b2-1e84-4bf7-9dcb-b6fec01ed138 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB5PR08MB0758 X-TM-AS-MatchedID: 150567-139006-852497-700316-300045-106660-700693-706484-7 80022-139010-852748-705386-853550-853702-850298-701738-110462-700555-700075 -704416-705441-106230-707997-700107-701249-139705-780058-700047-139703-7006 07-139702-148004-148007-148020-148051-42000-42003 X-OriginatorOrg: proximus.com X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:30:44 -0000 +1 -----Original Message----- From: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of R.Jesske@telek= om.de Sent: Thursday 12 July 2018 07:56 To: a.james.winterbottom@gmail.com; mahoney@nostrum.com Cc: sipcore@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locpar= am I'm also supporting. > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von James > Winterbottom > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 00:02 > An: A. Jean Mahoney > Cc: SIPCORE > Betreff: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: > draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam > > I support this draft moving forward. > > > > On 10 Jul 2018, at 7:59 am, A. Jean Mahoney > wrote: > > > > We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore > document. Please provide comments to the list by July 30. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jean, as co-chair > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sipcore mailing list > > sipcore@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore _______________________________________________ sipcore mailing list sipcore@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore ________________________________ ***** Disclaimer ***** http://www.proximus.be/maildisclaimer From nobody Thu Jul 12 02:39:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9176B130DC0 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ntlworld.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kCA5RtkUnq3y for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EFAA1310A0 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([81.97.229.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id dY4ZfBgN8ZZ9kdY4ef87bF; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 10:39:45 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [81.97.229.170] X-Authenticated-User: drageke@ntlworld.com X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.3 cv=Ipswjo3g c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=uMkRna9mZ6QJhuoPpEZIww==:117 a=uMkRna9mZ6QJhuoPpEZIww==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=epul6RtwJoJbhUacslgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rKrVYePj7rwA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ntlworld.com; s=meg.feb2017; t=1531388385; bh=2SYWsq4y8ZBujft6VTR1OwSMmmXuR+yg2JiTbyf4OhU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=EVO00woPifhj53X9ncvNSaSGhDic066Rt1Emg45W/HdXLV/ICq27E94nFOgA9bbtA //tsItGBHDAANYZek5H/G8Wfd8SycuU4cLttPhjD62JYo+gV/jBxg0orQORfExK2vy DV1WDwmhK+wdLwOai3xweziTDLRKeJRCg+JBLBpRq5mx1l4NFsVIfq6cOZ6SFBXaJy BYYOiLdgdJKB5ZmwA7+qBUTxHKWLJ16+mlz1KK/ubiEu8KxvzUbMdir//lur11jqjG RSGNytDEh1yUvKY0GrgizZts7NZEpsEI6aZRLYNAC7JFZyF90Ll7qH14Sw0mNCAKFG a2tR0ESXcyHkg== To: sipcore@ietf.org References: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> From: Keith Drage Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 10:39:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGAq4glcERLV7P74MxgejmJgMx7mGUcAgvE+RmwIgECLecVdxzQwwaVazYc9VD6NpD7saiLrM99G7O6Sl1M8y9NYL8fVxQPYpSVOlfFbPP5Oy9SM7Lcx nMxZIgMeE4sZl66tSTlTmzLSE6Y5W3MUEUrsAZSSBBJpFyit2pF7GJaP Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:39:52 -0000 I support adoption. Keith On 09-Jul-18 10:59 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore > document.  Please provide comments to the list by July 30. > > Thanks, > > Jean, as co-chair > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > From nobody Mon Jul 16 13:43:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C837C131226; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:42:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.778 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.778 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (public key: not available)" header.d=standardstrack.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nx-HZcbDpSuT; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biz221.inmotionhosting.com (biz221.inmotionhosting.com [23.235.223.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E446813125D; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:41:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=standardstrack.com; s=default; h=Date:To:References:Message-Id:Subject: Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KXb+I7VfAP4kuIgty0wcQGBacMzKTAnSqWTzxX2lbgo=; b=LDxfdGrBgoLb9dZkBhB8vILiiL 3dVOTPVWcIoxj4Wi1HSsBd/6iIK85XKAqW8VGMXzWB3EciplSq7s7lrrpV0mnajBiY/vR2ognswuw EQgJelzw4dLt0ifRhkcT4U86RZHqUJ3QTN/8qi1RDwgQmJQs8qckacE3B2Dl5YOaqdGU=; Received: from [174.204.1.1] (port=2932 helo=[192.168.43.104]) by biz221.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ffAJV-001xd2-5I; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:41:53 -0700 From: Eric Burger Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C27F28D6-F50C-46FA-8E13-8231D4556631"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: References: <153177299355.21687.16994405213790485587.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: sipcore@ietf.org, stir@ietf.org Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:41:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - biz221.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: authenticated_id: eburger+standardstrack.com/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: biz221.inmotionhosting.com: eburger@standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:42:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C27F28D6-F50C-46FA-8E13-8231D4556631 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_31409304-F717-416E-A384-3677B130BDBD" --Apple-Mail=_31409304-F717-416E-A384-3677B130BDBD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As promised, here is the official submission. This version includes a = mechanism for interoperability with legacy networks, including the PSTN. = It only ~ doubled the length of the draft :0! As before, please comment on the sipcore list. See you in Montreal. - Eric > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt > Date: July 16, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM EDT > To: "Eric W. Burger" , "Eric Burger" = >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Eric W. Burger and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected > Revision: 00 > Title: A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Response = Code for Rejected Calls > Document date: 2018-07-16 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 15 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines the 608 (Rejected) SIP response code. This > response code enables calling parties to learn their call was > rejected by an intermediary and will not be answered. As a 6xx = code, > the caller will be aware that future attempts to contact the same = UAS > will be likely to fail. The present use case driving the need for > the 608 response code is when the intermediary is an analytics > engine. In other words, the rejection is by a machine or other > process, as opposed to a human at the target UAS indicating the call > was not wanted. This document also defines the use of the Call-Info > header in 608 responses to enable rejected callers to contact > entities that blocked their calls in error. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_31409304-F717-416E-A384-3677B130BDBD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii As promised, here is the official submission. This version = includes a mechanism for interoperability with legacy networks, = including the PSTN. It only ~ doubled the length of the draft :0!

As before, please = comment on the sipcore list.

See you in Montreal.
- Eric

Begin forwarded = message:

From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = New Version = Notification for draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt
Date: = July 16, 2018 at 4:29:53 PM = EDT
To: = "Eric W. Burger" <eburger@standardstrack.com>, "Eric Burger" <eburger@standardstrack.com>

A new version of I-D, = draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt
has been successfully = submitted by Eric W. Burger and posted to the
IETF = repository.

Name: = draft-burger-sipcore-rejected
Revision: 00
Title:= = A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Response Code for Rejected = Calls
Document date: 2018-07-16
Group:= = Individual Submission
Pages: 15
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-burger-sipcore-rejec= ted-00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected/=
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-burger-sipcore-reje= cted


Abstract:
  This document defines the 608 (Rejected) SIP = response code.  This
  response code = enables calling parties to learn their call was
=   rejected by an intermediary and will not be answered. =  As a 6xx code,
  the caller will be aware = that future attempts to contact the same UAS
=   will be likely to fail.  The present use case driving = the need for
  the 608 response code is when = the intermediary is an analytics
  engine. =  In other words, the rejection is by a machine or other
  process, as opposed to a human at the target UAS = indicating the call
  was not wanted. =  This document also defines the use of the Call-Info
=   header in 608 responses to enable rejected callers to = contact
  entities that blocked their calls in = error.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the = time of submission
until the htmlized version and diff are = available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF = Secretariat


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ice@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Ice] RFC 8445 on Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE): A = Protocol for Network Address Translator (NAT) Traversal A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. =20 RFC 8445 Title: Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE):=20 A Protocol for Network Address Translator (NAT)=20 Traversal=20 Author: A. Keranen, C. Holmberg, J. Rosenberg Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: July 2018 Mailbox: ari.keranen@ericsson.com,=20 christer.holmberg@ericsson.com,=20 jdrosen@jdrosen.net Pages: 100 Characters: 239713 Obsoletes: RFC 5245 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ice-rfc5245bis-20.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8445 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8445 This document describes a protocol for Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal for UDP-based communication. This protocol is called Inter= active Connectivity Establishment (ICE). ICE makes use of the Session Trav= ersal Utilities for NAT (STUN) protocol and its extension, Traversal Using = Relay NAT (TURN). This document obsoletes RFC 5245. This document is a product of the Interactive Connectivity Establishment Wo= rking Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protoc= ol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for = improvements. 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Introduction >=20 > In the call handling ecosystem, users can explicitly reject a call or > later mark a call is being unwanted by issuing a 607 SIP response > code (Unwanted) [RFC8197 ]. = Figure 1 shows the operation of the 607 > SIP response code. The UAS indicates the call was unwanted. As > RFC8197 explains, not only = does the called party desire to reject > that call, they wish to let their proxy know they do not ever want = to > get calls from that source. >=20 >=20 > I think =E2=80=9Cdo not ever want to get calls from the source=E2=80=9D = is not accurate. >=20 > =E2=80=9CRFC8719 4. Behavior of SIP Entities=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t= have any text supporting this strong statement AFAICS. >=20 Good point. How about, =E2=80=9CAs RFC8197 explains, not only does the = called party desire to reject that call, they may wish to let their = proxy know they might consider future calls from that source = unwanted.=E2=80=9D > ii- > 3.2. UAC Operation >=20 > A UAC conforming to this specification MUST include the sip.608 > feature capability tag in the INVITE request. >=20 > I assume this will be done based on RFC3840 and not on RFC6809. If so, = this needs to be clarified and relevant IANA registry needs to be = updated. Using RFC3840 means proxies might be hacking the Contact header. That = just does not feel right. Conversely, using RFC6809 means a proxy can = use its power to insert (and remove) Feature-Caps headers as it sees = fit. What do others think about RFC3840 vs. RFC6809 for signaling this = capability? --Apple-Mail=_A3F2504B-594A-4F51-8D45-89E312FDE544 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 inline:

From: "Asveren, Tolga" = <tasveren@rbbn.com>
Subject: RE: [sipcore] Fwd: New = Version Notification for = draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-00.txt
Date: July 19, 2018 = at 4:39:11 PM EDT
To: Eric Burger = <eburger@standardstrack.com>, = "sipcore@ietf.org" <sipcore@ietf.org>
 
Hi Eric,
 
Just a few comments:
 
i- 
1.  Introduction
 
In the call =
handling ecosystem, users can explicitly reject a call or
   =
later mark a call is being unwanted by issuing a 607 SIP response
   =
code (Unwanted) [RFC8197].  Figure 1 =
shows the operation of the 607
   SIP response code.  The UAS =
indicates the call was unwanted.  As
   RFC8197 explains, not only does the called party =
desire to reject
   that call, they wish to let their proxy know =
they do not ever want to
   get calls from that source.
 
 
I think =E2=80=9Cdo not ever want to get calls from the = source=E2=80=9D is not accurate.
 
=E2=80=9CRFC8719   4.  Behavior of SIP = Entities=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t have any text supporting this strong = statement AFAICS.
 

Good point. How about, =E2=80=9CAs RFC8197 = explains, not only does the called party desire to reject that call, = they may wish to let their proxy know they might consider future calls = from that source unwanted.=E2=80=9D

ii- 
3.2.  UAC = Operation
 
  A UAC =
conforming to this specification MUST include the sip.608
   =
feature capability tag in the INVITE request.
 
I assume this will be done based on = RFC3840 and not on RFC6809. If so, this needs to be clarified and = relevant IANA registry needs to be updated.
 
Using RFC3840 means proxies might be hacking the Contact = header.  That just does not feel right.  Conversely, using = RFC6809 means a proxy can use its power to insert (and remove) = Feature-Caps headers as it sees fit.
 
What do others think about RFC3840 vs. RFC6809 for signaling = this capability?
 

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charset=utf-8 [Please keep discussion on the sipcore list. Thanks!] Changes from -00: Mostly editorial, including all but one of Tonga=E2=80=99s suggestions = and cleaning up some of the ASCII art. Included the Feature-Caps header in the example. Included an example of an audio announcement. > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01.txt > Date: July 23, 2018 at 4:09:39 PM EDT > To: "Eric W. Burger" , "Eric Burger" = >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01.txt > has been successfully submitted by Eric W. Burger and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected > Revision: 01 > Title: A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Response = Code for Rejected Calls > Document date: 2018-07-23 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 15 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines the 608 (Rejected) SIP response code. This > response code enables calling parties to learn their call was > rejected by an intermediary and will not be answered. As a 6xx = code, > the caller will be aware that future attempts to contact the same = UAS > will be likely to fail. The present use case driving the need for > the 608 response code is when the intermediary is an analytics > engine. In this case, the rejection is by a machine or other > process. This contrasts with the 607 (Unwanted) SIP response code, > which a human at the target UAS indicated the call was not wanted. > In some jurisdictions this distinction is important and may have > additional requirements beyond the 607 response code. Specifically, > this document defines the use of the Call-Info header in 608 > responses to enable rejected callers to contact entities that = blocked > their calls in error. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6EA411FC-BAA9-4A08-88EC-A82A998A0527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEfEc/N7T7IfiAuDEHDDCGh758rskFAltXZmkACgkQDDCGh758 rskClRAAgfdrRGUcRoxmZv/pfQrSukAKo4EEeLMbRsvenO+kanJH0o94tNwjcPir B0eGu4+z9nDU/pGT/q0TmryoD0tswbJ4ooqXXwKPXisTojzyDAlAIGtXvKfcdb8b xcXk7sN71NL4wFaNZ9Js4OW0661pz0jsBACY5cxC1ym/nL8pElP5ZTeYFExfc91c PhfCdB7hlJ9C+ObpJ0+6SPkKWEHXqvu6xJsfpdhbB/ItghvnZo6nzKA0v/KOJ8CQ 93w3B2EFKN18gd0YO+eJwGnoLd0BC69OxAMt8TFRr7cf57jIXN9d2Uc8ks+1lLLQ eUzGgzm1X/HtfYfJxdLICwj6Etl9WCAfutYE1BHstgh0TSxZOr9IRS3lW6Op39QA hoemmFVkcanPVA/7SpJYdS4SmB9LGDTa72q8YMQJqv/woolk7hcX35meJmruTuVn bMtdtx5Lpp9S9urhtCz0LdEzkoGnNvQyldAqB5+mi7Ou8YKSoMOpduknaVYgGchi ghXBoj/swUchgnFZjLg+tPUtLV5z+FBnf75bZHVUrCRoOlh03nsBp5hn6kg6mAO8 7Q/oi47WFY/6ddrCbWOMSCxwmu1DrhNyn42xijv9c0qdPbGVL8qPvc4zk/v6Bk4R n0SsL//F8326TbCIrGW4phfVKM2Izpno66mzxzBis/kN4w5Dn+I= =dzcJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_6EA411FC-BAA9-4A08-88EC-A82A998A0527-- From nobody Tue Jul 24 11:00:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287E0130E2F for ; 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charset=utf-8 Grrrr. =E2=80=9CTonga=E2=80=9D =3D =E2=80=9CTolga=E2=80=9D > On Jul 24, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Eric Burger = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > [Please keep discussion on the sipcore list. Thanks!] >=20 > Changes from -00: > Mostly editorial, including all but one of Tonga=E2=80=99s suggestions = and cleaning up some of the ASCII art. > Included the Feature-Caps header in the example. > Included an example of an audio announcement. >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01.txt >> Date: July 23, 2018 at 4:09:39 PM EDT >> To: "Eric W. Burger" , "Eric Burger" = >>=20 >>=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Eric W. Burger and posted to the >> IETF repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected >> Revision: 01 >> Title: A Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Response = Code for Rejected Calls >> Document date: 2018-07-23 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 15 >> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01.txt >> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected/ >> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01 >> Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected >> Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document defines the 608 (Rejected) SIP response code. This >> response code enables calling parties to learn their call was >> rejected by an intermediary and will not be answered. As a 6xx = code, >> the caller will be aware that future attempts to contact the same = UAS >> will be likely to fail. The present use case driving the need for >> the 608 response code is when the intermediary is an analytics >> engine. In this case, the rejection is by a machine or other >> process. This contrasts with the 607 (Unwanted) SIP response code, >> which a human at the target UAS indicated the call was not wanted. >> In some jurisdictions this distinction is important and may have >> additional requirements beyond the 607 response code. Specifically, >> this document defines the use of the Call-Info header in 608 >> responses to enable rejected callers to contact entities that = blocked >> their calls in error. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_333620B5-3CC8-43F7-8BB7-B066B09BFFFF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEfEc/N7T7IfiAuDEHDDCGh758rskFAltXaRQACgkQDDCGh758 rsmjxQ/+JriPUPQif6+mP2AdepUfPpHmr6f/P+osXqrKdotfCMU06esDv9NlL178 nivnvOF8CDdqbGVGtVxtJ4MYQ70Ra0BEWQL5iMLuzLWz/qTvvapsLJeyESf3rSnm Vr/tupWnvq7syQGFLYBZmoKLYPPqrK2E7+U8OJTSZ2ip/r/FWXg6ILx4LJ8MbLTE ZSLLY8V3LDJvA7D2MyMunkkJJF0zxoqPeJfSTZj8XEAfQ7HJukqBx2Lxwcxv+7mm g1JDeTzqekHkJxgop6QNs667LgO1kSxqm19jsZE4TW45XyCcvVwa8V3SxNmmUyNY xFU2B8tKQcpNt9Y1KM/p9o1W/xtR0GszhXl6c9cOglhuHMaktV2v2r22wn4CW5I7 VXMjB7ZsoAQq+iGQCzXfScjKwLxZqZwXAsD8mQPqgQRF9UuRdJ+aw+bRTkjOakz4 9vUtzm7GylMl7r99eE81ew04wN+7zK5s96mEyR98t3P2+DFlojk1KfCw7M4rbVOa FfSlGj2B3QvIndceQ6AFesBKCjzwzb5nH3nLkC9AILDPuLTu2XL17A04TQsxvuEq jgwdjeAvE0wKlWTl6EeOCPsLFfOVWgG5mU7/FcwFGpLNBUSiPe8ujE4QggqVdLXd l5gU1cSJKJOKrZ10hSic/pAv1vZC/lCniZt27MQEw7dqibQsxWk= =22rO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_333620B5-3CC8-43F7-8BB7-B066B09BFFFF-- From nobody Thu Jul 26 15:41:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D140F131291 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vsZIgiC7e1K9 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87DC313125A for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w6QMetiF001464 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:41:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: marianne.mohali@orange.com, SIPCORE From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: <99fca528-53ff-14f5-4a6e-fba651ff9f90@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 17:40:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Doc Shepherd review of draft-ietf-sipcore-originating-cdiv-parameter X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 22:41:07 -0000 Hi Marianne, Thanks for addressing all of the feedback so far. In preparation for the Doc Shepherd Write-up, I have run idnits, gone through the ID Checklist, and made my own pass through the draft. I have the following feedback below -- Thanks! Jean ------------------------------------------------- Minor issues: idnits found issues in the Abstract, disclaimers, and key words: idnits: "The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC5502, but the abstract doesn't seem to directly say this. It does mention RFC5502 though, so this could be OK." This issue can be fixed with a few tweaks: - Delete the first mention of RFC5502 (citations are not allowed in Abstracts) - s/This document updated RFC5502/This document updates RFC 5502/ - s/ABNF in RFC5502/ABNF in RFC 5502/ (When RFCs are mentioned rather than cited, they should have the form "RFC NNNN" rather than "RFCNNNN") idnits: "The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work..." I found some reuse of RFC5502 text in the Abstract and in Section 1.2. You can contact Elburg to see if he is willing to grant the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, or you can include text from Section 6.c.iii from https://trustee.ietf.org/documents/IETF-TLP-5_001.html. If you are using xml2rfc, you would set the 'ipr' attribute on the 'rfc' tag to "pre5378Trust200902". See Appendix A of RFC7749 for more info. idnits: "The document seems to lack both a reference to RFC 2119 and the recommended RFC 2119 boilerplate, even if it appears to use RFC 2119 keywords." To fix this, the following section needs to be added after the Introduction: 2. Terminology The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here. Section 5.2. ABNF Add the following to address errata ID 4648: This document allows choosing between addr-spec and name-addr when constructing the header field value. As specified in RFC 8217, the "addr-spec" form MUST NOT be used if its value would contain a comma, semicolon, or question mark [RFC8217]. Section 6. IANA Considerations Append the following after "sub-registry" (in paragraphs 2 and 3): "within the "Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Parameters" registry: " Section 7. Call Flow Examples It would be nice if each step had a brief sentence describing what is happening. 10.1 Normative References Add references to RFC2119 and RFC8174 (for keywords), RFC3324 (for Trust Domain definition), RFC8217 (ABNF clarification). Move RFC 5502 from Informational References to this section. --------------------------------------------------- Nits: Abstract: s/services has been/services have been/ Section 1.1. General p 1. s/information on the IMS/information on session cases and the IMS/ p 3. s/correct the syntax/corrects the syntax/ s/some examples and/some examples, and/ Section 1.2. Basic Use Case p 2. Current: ...and apply the corresponding actions such as forward the request to an AS. At its turn, the AS has to go through a similar process of determining who is the current served user, what is his/her "registration state" and on which "session case" is the session. Suggested: ...and applies the corresponding actions such as forwarding the request to an AS. The AS then goes through a similar process of determining who is the current served user, what is his/her "registration state", and what is the "session case" of the session. p 3. s/the is/there is/ s/realized but/realized, but/ s/poses some/pose some/ Section 1.3. Problem Statement p 1. s/In case of/In the case of/ s/case and the terminating/case, and the terminating/ s/Receiving the call/When the AS receives the call/ s/remains the same and/remains the same, and/ Current: ..., there is no possiblity for a proxy to trigger an originating service for the diverting user or for an AS to execute... Suggested: ..., the S-CSCF cannot trigger an originating service for the diverting user, nor can an AS execute... Section 2. Applicability p 1. s/Trust Domain for/Trust Domain [RFC3324] for the/ Section 3. Proxy behavior and parameter handling no 3. Current: 3. The S-CSCF starts the analysis of filter criteria and triggers the served user AS for the terminating services to be executed by including in the INVITE request the P-Served-User header field with the "sescase" parameter set to "term" and the regstate to the corresponding value; Suggested: 3. The S-CSCF analyzes the filter criteria. It then sends to the AS of the served user an INVITE that includes the P-Served-User header field with the "sescase" parameter set to "term" and the "regstate" set to the corresponding value in order to trigger execution of terminating services; no 4. s/The received Request-URI is then replaced/The AS replaces the received Request-URI/ no 5. s/parameter by the/parameter with the/ no 6. s/request over to/request to/ no 7. s/and will perform/and performs/ Section 4. Clarifications of RFC 5502 procedures p 1. s/guidance that reminds and clarifies the/guidance for the handling of the/ bullet 1. s/This header MUST NOT/The P-Served-User header field MUST NOT/ s/that P-Served-User/that the P-Served-User/ bullet 2. Current: o Whether the "regstate" parameter is removed or not by the S-CSCF when processing the orginating after CDIV session case is out of the scope of this document. In one hand, it can either be considered that the S-CSCF is able to store the previous regstate value and that the same value applies or that the "regstate" is not relevant after a diverting service. On the other hand, the regstate can be combined to the orig-cdiv session case... Suggested: o Whether the S-CSCF removes the "regstate" parameter when it processes the orig-cdiv session case is out of the scope of this document. The S-CSCF could store the previous regstate value and that the same value applies, or the "regstate" may not be relevant after a diverting service, or the regstate could be combined with the orig-cdiv session case... Section 5.1. General p 2. Current: Because this document extends the existing sessioncase-param parameter in a special way and that it has been identified errors in the syntax of the P-Served-User header field [RFC5502], this document corrects and extends the header at the same time. Suggested: Because this document extends the existing sessioncase-param parameter, and because errors have been identified in the syntax, this document corrects and extends the P-Served-User header field. p 3. s/release 11/Release 11/ s/keep a/to maintain/ Section 7.1. Call diversion case p 1. Current: The following call flow shows a session establishement for Alice calls Bob which has a call diversion when busy towards Carol. Suggested: The following call flow shows a session establishment when Alice calls Bob, who has a call diversion service that diverts to Carol when Bob is busy. From nobody Fri Jul 27 07:30:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B06D1292F1 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id otB-HhPIfMBw for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1B6F12785F for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 1B37BB80D88; Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:46:08 -0700 (PDT) To: mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com, francois.audet@skype.net, shida@ntt-at.com, ietf.hanserik@gmail.com, christer.holmberg@ericsson.com, ben@nostrum.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, adam@nostrum.com, br@brianrosen.net, mahoney@nostrum.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: ted.zhou@nokia-sbell.com, sipcore@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20180727024608.1B37BB80D88@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 07:30:50 -0700 Subject: [sipcore] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7044 (5442) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 02:46:21 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7044, "An Extension to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) for Request History Information". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5442 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Ted Zhou Section: 9.3,10.2 Original Text ------------- 9.3 When a SIP entity receives a non-100 response or a request times out, the SIP entity performs the following steps: If the response is not a 100 or 2xx response, the SIP entity adds one or more Reason header fields to the hi-targeted-to-uri in the (newly) cached hi-entry reflecting the SIP response code in the non-100 or non-2xx response, per the procedures of Section 10.2. 10.2 A Reason header field is added when the hi-entry is added to the cache based upon the receipt of a SIP response that is neither a 100 nor a 2xx response, as described in Section 9.3. Corrected Text -------------- 9.3 When a SIP entity receives a non-18x response or a request times out, the SIP entity performs the following steps: If the response is not a 18x or 2xx response, the SIP entity adds one or more Reason header fields to the hi-targeted-to-uri in the (newly) cached hi-entry reflecting the SIP response code in the non-18x or non-2xx response, per the procedures of Section 10.2. 10.2 A Reason header field is added when the hi-entry is added to the cache based upon the receipt of a SIP response that is neither a 18x nor a 2xx response, as described in Section 9.3. Notes ----- I see we have several places using "100" or "non-100". I think the correct one should be "18x" or "non-18x". Or, we can use "1xx" or "non-1xx". 100 means "100 Tring", it's not accurate. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7044 (draft-ietf-sipcore-rfc4244bis-12) -------------------------------------- Title : An Extension to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) for Request History Information Publication Date : February 2014 Author(s) : M. Barnes, F. Audet, S. Schubert, J. van Elburg, C. Holmberg Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Session Initiation Protocol Core RAI Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Sun Jul 29 19:32:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A23130F75 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:26:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.684 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.684 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eLSsCMzDBUzb for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB53D130F73 for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.103]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id jxXrf5TkVohBAjxtbfCGCN; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 02:26:51 +0000 Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4603:9471:222:fbff:fe91:d396]) by resomta-ch2-07v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id jxtWfDuEDZEp6jxtWfghlz; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 02:26:49 +0000 Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (hobgoblin.ariadne.com [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id w6U2Qjxu016114; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 22:26:45 -0400 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id w6U2QgF9016107; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 22:26:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: RFC Errata System Cc: mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com, francois.audet@skype.net, shida@ntt-at.com, ietf.hanserik@gmail.com, christer.holmberg@ericsson.com, ben@nostrum.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, adam@nostrum.com, br@brianrosen.net, mahoney@nostrum.com, ted.zhou@nokia-sbell.com, sipcore@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org In-Reply-To: <20180727024608.1B37BB80D88@rfc-editor.org> Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 22:26:42 -0400 Message-ID: <87fu01o3vh.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfE81A25B1hBmX8XEqzgdAA/Fi6VqnUAnq+4RFlWd921fUUDz79sLGueBKkXYGewavJyA5chIJ5KTfwg1UL9/mUCqZusfrYGlKZKPags6vU1JEy9uPYPE LarLCFXxBjhTD7gTR0sfn1Dozy3CyIX3i+RzmYsK0PHLPqYX7qmN2sDfGqpwI3jAMPVmfk2VUxOM7kZKguYZA4Zv69XOK0FjvLSm3gUP++fcTf8g+9kXIGrD xOOFZcD+cQ8weSolMcL995YOEXCu0os/yvUgDabNiUAvOuUQxFy4i9x0yhOH+umr8/925cFMTxha79J+a40mIhOMDyq0HhXAp35GZ0mGeX8BUlipEf0Uyley WosAPYEtgTZMj9JDON05GrWS/Opw4KTar/ZA20DfdI9aOBszTNF+yWwIruyPi3QUiULQTh2P2JK9/DITEecRj6wNw23fD3Qr2onSohFZ7r5rloG/ym9zblBK zvr5kE/O7jODh2pJDb4wg+3PlVeDGgyvJLPaPEuDnxwnO0YokeXCKo2Er9Q6XL1Xwc09qkKv9pQgznDYVbaTbHK1Oz1moyK2Hxy02eWqz/dxpBDOKqZwEMSj wmU6XtJQICNfGR392bd6fyBEtn1fXv6qVBa8+ffETwo94K42atHKiURqtibsYXVb9g8= Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 19:32:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [sipcore] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7044 (5442) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 02:26:54 -0000 RFC Errata System writes: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7044, > "An Extension to the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) for Request History Information". > [...much omitted...] > I see we have several places using "100" or "non-100". I think the > correct one should be "18x" or "non-18x". > Or, we can use "1xx" or "non-1xx". > > 100 means "100 Tring", it's not accurate. First, I'd like to ask you why you think that the distinctions made in the specified passages are not the correct ones. Generally, in SIP, the handling of responses is based on the first digit of the response code, with the exception that 100 responses are often processed differently from "non-100 1xx responses". That latter set is often (but not quite correctly) abbreviated "1xx responses". So one does not expect "18x" to be a category in a SIP specification, as that would mean that other codes (like 101, 170, and 199) would be handled differently from 182, 183, etc. In the specified passages, the condition is, effectively, "1xx-not-100, 3xx, 4xx, 5xx, or 6xx", which is the sort of condition that one expects to see in SIP specifications. 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Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:31:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:31:24 -0000 Hi all, This is a call for adoption of the draft-burger-sipcore-rejected in the SIPCORE working group. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected/ Please send your comments to the list or to the chairs by August 13. Thanks! 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Jean Mahoney" CC: SIPCORE Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected Thread-Index: AQHUKBqkxqBzpgh+uUWK/ACmbfucmKSn5uoM Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2018-07-30_07:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1806210000 definitions=main-1807300170 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:15:57 -0000 AT&T supports Martin C Dolly AT&T Lead Member of Technical Staff Core Network & Gov=92t Regulatory Standards +1 609 903 3360 > On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:33 AM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote= : >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > This is a call for adoption of the draft-burger-sipcore-rejected in the S= IPCORE working group. >=20 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.o= rg_doc_draft-2Dburger-2Dsipcore-2Drejected_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQ= icvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3D3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypBy= y8v_C8&s=3DhFreLnwJ-UXYOJgYbWq_iuvqmk8RgdMc6O2lADoknEM&e=3D >=20 > Please send your comments to the list or to the chairs by August 13. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Jean >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailm= an_listinfo_sipcore&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmp= w7ItG0r2g&m=3D3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8&s=3DNd2plF7-pZuvR= smF0Fr7_fZIACVD0g-Lmj0FZFb0XKY&e=3D From nobody Mon Jul 30 11:19:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4226E130E9C for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsQZUn6Iq73d for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outprodmail01.cc.columbia.edu (outprodmail01.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.72.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F0DB130E63 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hazelnut (hazelnut.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.213.250]) by outprodmail01.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w6UIGSlY000680 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:18:46 -0400 Received: from hazelnut (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hazelnut (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9463580 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sendprodmail02.cc.columbia.edu (sendprodmail02.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.72.14]) by hazelnut (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D97C82 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f70.google.com (mail-oi0-f70.google.com [209.85.218.70]) by sendprodmail02.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w6UIIkhL059250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:18:46 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-f70.google.com with SMTP id w185-v6so11512681oig.19 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=l1qkv8wQ06noGWYsHs8hKS/gyTeelySm1l//LOmx0dI=; b=DNtUjoTuydVRhg+Y7k/8l+18/QJwsqAO+EgJ8/PznNmEQkSkcLYOuV6DhV0XSy0Wwm Dcn9I0efBN2Fxjqa8ODy1ghRoEfJdCKnRSclcChD39r4nk0SMsPeNyTiARZTPLhrkoiv 3nTdf2c9wgGzbiQrjsC5JprM1NI4/FNh1H0lm6XjCmvRkuNWeKlQZs47yaUc23CM3rRl SzE/WZ5vtoGCCu9ZuppYoQpkclZUN7EdCXFqWLcgX+BeSioV8oJGtBnqpB/YjIcpvHh4 c8DznuuSET71FwUbhDJyuk7JFhdakzNS6qGXGF4HAa99ijkQUlKgn3FjzrFzJd9WZbZn knPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEQkfNVvrbew+eo1cqeJvLOqkQi07/uwgZ/yhIqdCFct8Uv3e/X FrvqDykyMjLc4ZPu1zYRhTNwR45zMN+miNrrhQ9lJDa0mIa9/WNimBmOEJ7TxlznBj5bQDXsnCm +nt2FR9OfkufNXIDymy0GRoU/+G4cOh7r X-Received: by 2002:aca:2c3:: with SMTP id 186-v6mr17805299oic.85.1532974725356; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpelkOV5AJg3ALEIWcBzk3F9utgv1Bm6UNIxmvqUHQNICDVUcHvW139TuVmqPO5UY4BJsOh3h3S6oftYT5dNA4k= X-Received: by 2002:aca:2c3:: with SMTP id 186-v6mr17805220oic.85.1532974723730; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:75d1:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> From: Henning Schulzrinne Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:18:23 -0400 Message-ID: To: "A. Jean Mahoney" Cc: SIPCORE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dba8ce05723b7d06" X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.59.72.14 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:18:58 -0000 --000000000000dba8ce05723b7d06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 (as opposed to the AT&T +254,000 :-) On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:39 AM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: > AT&T supports > > Martin C Dolly > AT&T > Lead Member of Technical Staff > Core Network & Gov=E2=80=99t Regulatory Standards > +1 609 903 3360 > > > On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:33 AM, A. Jean Mahoney > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > This is a call for adoption of the draft-burger-sipcore-rejected in the > SIPCORE working group. > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__ > datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dburger-2Dsipcore- > 2Drejected_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0= r2g&m=3D > 3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8&s=3DhFreLnwJ-UXYOJgYbWq_ > iuvqmk8RgdMc6O2lADoknEM&e=3D > > > > Please send your comments to the list or to the chairs by August 13. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sipcore mailing list > > sipcore@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www. > ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_sipcore&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r= =3D > G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3D3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8& > s=3DNd2plF7-pZuvRsmF0Fr7_fZIACVD0g-Lmj0FZFb0XKY&e=3D > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > --000000000000dba8ce05723b7d06 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+1
(as opposed to the AT&T +254,000 :-)

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at = 11:39 AM, DOLLY, MARTIN C <md3135@att.com> wrote:
AT&T supports

Martin C Dolly
AT&T
Lead Member of Technical Staff
Core Network & Gov=E2=80=99t Regulatory Standards
+1 609 903 3360

> On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:33 AM, A. Jean Mahoney <mahoney@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is a call for adoption of the draft-burger-sipcore-rejected in th= e SIPCORE working group.
>
> https://urldef= ense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc= _draft-2Dburger-2Dsipcore-2Drejected_&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ= -o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3D3f= zjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8&s=3DhFreLnwJ-UXYOJg= YbWq_iuvqmk8RgdMc6O2lADoknEM&e=3D
>
> Please send your comments to the list or to the chairs by August 13. >
> Thanks!
>
> Jean
>
> _______________________________________________
> sipcore mailing list
> sipcore@ietf.org
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com= /v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_sipcore&d= =3DDwICAg&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3D3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8&s=3DNd2plF7-pZuvRsmF0Fr7_fZIACVD0g-Lmj0FZFb0XKY&e=3D

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Jean Mahoney" , SIPCORE Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected References: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box462.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - shockey.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 108.56.135.188 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fkDmD-002IuM-E8 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-108-56-135-188.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([192.168.1.155]) [108.56.135.188]:58190 X-Source-Auth: richard+shockey.us X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: c2hvY2tleXU7c2hvY2tleXU7Ym94NDYyLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 19:24:22 -0000 I'm all in ... =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20 =EF=BB=BFOn 7/30/18, 11:31 AM, "sipcore on behalf of A. 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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:34:28 -0000 On 7/30/18 2:18 PM, Henning Schulzrinne wrote: > +1 > (as opposed to the AT&T +254,000 :-) +1 > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:39 AM, DOLLY, MARTIN C > wrote: > > AT&T supports > > Martin C Dolly > AT&T > Lead Member of Technical Staff > Core Network & Gov’t Regulatory Standards > +1 609 903 3360 > > > On Jul 30, 2018, at 11:33 AM, A. Jean Mahoney > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > This is a call for adoption of the draft-burger-sipcore-rejected > in the SIPCORE working group. > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dburger-2Dsipcore-2Drejected_&d=DwICAg&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8&s=hFreLnwJ-UXYOJgYbWq_iuvqmk8RgdMc6O2lADoknEM&e= > > > > > Please send your comments to the list or to the chairs by August 13. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sipcore mailing list > > sipcore@ietf.org > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_sipcore&d=DwICAg&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3fzjcaNQ5g8bjv_PDp3XPTduUE2YckZtNypByy8v_C8&s=Nd2plF7-pZuvRsmF0Fr7_fZIACVD0g-Lmj0FZFb0XKY&e= > > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > From nobody Mon Jul 30 15:25:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA8F131201 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:24:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3lK7NZNV8DrX for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM01-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2nam01on0090.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.34.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80AB0131142 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN6PR05MB3282.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.174.95.29) by BN6PR05MB3346.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.174.95.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1017.8; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:09:32 +0000 Received: from BN6PR05MB3282.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b882:ca31:81eb:a8a6]) by BN6PR05MB3282.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b882:ca31:81eb:a8a6%4]) with mapi id 15.20.1017.010; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:09:32 +0000 From: "Gorman, Pierce A [CTO]" To: "Asveren, Tolga" , Henning Schulzrinne , "A. 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Worley) To: "Zhou\, Ted \(NSB - CN\/Qingdao\)" Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com, francois.audet@skype.net, shida@ntt-at.com, ietf.hanserik@gmail.com, christer.holmberg@ericsson.com, ben@nostrum.com, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm, adam@nostrum.com, br@brianrosen.net, mahoney@nostrum.com, sipcore@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org In-Reply-To: <4be0cd235bb34aed933999aad7a0957e@nokia-sbell.com> (ted.zhou@nokia-sbell.com) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:22:21 -0400 Message-ID: <8736w0nqr6.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJfbNpPqO7COuzyX5n4xGBTp6E15AO5aj9W24eL9nBQA1iZql8FwdqYXOv2G8rl5PhOd7wX2SMPfFEn5YoMCADUiTUo4p7hwlE+V5gOjz1OYlK2Izi8j SgNoorIcDtsl1sBL7ZcFELWinuhAziZXisaAclloONTOdSbjGT4VOS1qOkBPvoad9U9p2ycSqkpSiQ39MriyCy7c4OZgNFiLOtLaGuDS2KyL/FAGw2K6zwji HazDqGrCqFtz5x6/4urXm1r89F8z3RWntHNZV3DMBb/S7fp1aLUC5r008TDYctbfCdTb+qAWHB35HxUxGjcbB+L0KFXyKIj/xGS7ZAFTvjrqlTl0pGUvqHB3 nL42aWl/je4cAgwjhZEwPc8KtWg6Y9lXvrmYinmJRgbatyshPc073hrzqdkMvyQD5VPh2nZOGIlq/3RYmZh+ZGoB9fSTIo5Z6dtT6S1d9LHVWwtrN525dfSc ea7akk1y1guL+AKu0fq9XajUY7pu5YYD6+U0LvTfGA6OvHDVYq1lnN2hSKsUeWXSagmO+3NW4dUyXnjJhPovIY+kyC09RpPtRZonuetRuj1E6+ZZXO/PaQbK 9KgzhMmEKw+uNudoY0hy3Kvf/kVLHgF9UB7S5g45+cYK0eAFFaxE+IdqYymuaUhzVKc= Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 20:42:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [sipcore] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7044 (5442) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 01:22:33 -0000 "Zhou, Ted (NSB - CN/Qingdao)" writes: > When I looked at these sections in rfc7044, I saw "100", "non-100", my > first response is "Does it mean 100trying?", apparently not, it should > be 18x. > Of course, it's just my personal habit to use 18x(I'm influenced by > RFC3398 which uses 18x often), may not be appropriate to be used in > specification. > > Why I select another term "1xx"? > From RFC3261, > any response with a status code between 100 and 199 is referred to as > a "1xx response". > > So, I think "1xx" is a widely accepted term. I must admit that I do not understand you well here. In regard to "18x", most SIP specifications treat all response codes from 101 through 199 in the same way. Unfortunately, many of them treat 100 differently from 101 through 199. The natural interpretation of "1xx" would be 100 through 199, so it's often incorrect to use "1xx" to mean only 101 through 199. There is some confustion because the only response codes with defined meanings in this range are 180, 181, 182, 183, and 199. But others might be defined in the future. 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Dale,

 

Sorry for confusion. I'd lik= e the take the following one as an example.

10.2.  Reason in the Hi= story-Info Header Field

 

   A Reason header= field is added when the hi-entry is added to the

   cache based upo= n the receipt of a SIP response that is neither a 100=

   nor a 2xx respo= nse, as described in Section 9.3.

 

When receive 180/183, we don= = =A1=AFt need to add Reason header, right? I mea= n 100 is too specific.

Here, I think we add Reason = header when receive 3xx,4xx,5xx,6xx, if retarget happens.=

So, I think it should be =A1= =B0neither a 1xx nor a 2xx=A1=B1.

 

Maybe I have a wrong underst= anding of this section. Please correct me.

 

Ted

-----Original Message----- From: Dale R. Worley [mailto:worley@ariadne.com]
Sent: 2018=C4=EA7=D4=C231= =C8=D5 9:22
To: Zhou, Ted (NSB - CN/Qingdao) <ted.zhou@nokia-sbell.com>
Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org; mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com; francois.audet@s= kype.net; shida@ntt-at.com; ietf.hanserik@gmail.com; christer.holmberg@eric= sson.com; ben@nostrum.com; aamelnikov@fastmail.fm; adam@nostrum.com; br@bri= anrosen.net; mahoney@nostrum.com; sipcore@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org
Subject: Re: [sipcore] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7044 (5442)

 

"Zhou, Ted (NSB - CN/Qi= ngdao)" <ted.zhou@nokia-sbell.com= > writes:

> When I looked at these = sections in rfc7044, I saw "100", "non-100", my

> first response is "= ;Does it mean 100trying?", apparently not, it should

> be 18x.

> Of course, it's just my= personal habit to use 18x(I'm influenced by

> RFC3398 which uses 18x = often), may not be appropriate to be used in

> specification.

> =

> Why I select another te= rm "1xx"?

> From RFC3261,

> any response with a sta= tus code between 100 and 199 is referred to as

> a "1xx response&qu= ot;.

> =

> So, I think "1xx&q= uot; is a widely accepted term.

 

I must admit that I do not u= nderstand you well here.

 

In regard to "18x"= , most SIP specifications treat all response codes from 101 through 199 in = the same way.  Unfortunately, many of them treat

100 differently from 101 thr= ough 199.  The natural interpretation of "1xx" would be 100 = through 199, so it's often incorrect to use "1xx" to mean only 10= 1 through 199.

 

There is some confustion bec= ause the only response codes with defined meanings in this range are 180, 1= 81, 182, 183, and 199.  But others might be defined in the future.

 

Dale

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Jean Mahoney" , SIPCORE Thread-Topic: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected Thread-Index: AQHUKBqimL4sxULYZUaChvnXk0wwbaSo4FLQ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <2a03e0d2c6ed4549adfad7c11204b0c1@ericsson.com> References: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <59db546d-ab45-435a-d066-01581b71e911@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2J7pe5cpoRog0k/LCwaOleyWnz9sYnN gcljyZKfTB6zdj5hCWCK4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4Mo4tKSPqWApa8XGzl+sDYzbWboYOTkkBEwk +u78Z+pi5OIQEjjKKLHm+UlWCOcbo8TndcuhnGWMEofuL2PsYuTgYBOwkOj+pw3SLSLgLvG7 +SYjiC0s4CUx4+F5Zoi4t8SV59OhbCOJxYevsoPYLAKqEk+PfgezeQWsJR40PwerERKwk2i7 cxTsIk4Be4nDK6aD2YwCYhLfT61hArGZBcQlbj2ZzwRxtYDEkj0QuyQERCVePv7HCmErSew9 dp0Fol5HYsHuT2wQtrbEsoWvmSH2CkqcnPmEZQKj6CwkY2chaZmFpGUWkpYFjCyrGEWLU4uL c9ONjPRSizKTi4vz8/TyUks2MQIj5eCW31Y7GA8+dzzEKMDBqMTDK/kvPlqINbGsuDL3EKME B7OSCK+NDFCINyWxsiq1KD++qDQntfgQozQHi5I4r1OaRZSQQHpiSWp2ampBahFMlomDU6qB cYPb/ecP8npXHt3d6PRtkt7qBpFf19TuPeOV2vLKJYrL1ZBT6sidurL27YWCP2YJHhS98C55 8t7T3ukbVhx02DLJiun4Sum/r+4ItV28E7Ksa5nUomlvYqb/37smnmeiUHf02t+2K95xsMp5 plx2ZFZJ2Hf/clOJREPXBTnnBcF/HhXW3b7ncEmJpTgj0VCLuag4EQCPTKpwkAIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:33:11 -0000 +1 Regards, Christer -----Original Message----- From: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A. Jean Mahone= y Sent: 30 July 2018 18:31 To: SIPCORE Subject: [sipcore] Call for WG adoption: draft-burger-sipcore-rejected Hi all, This is a call for adoption of the draft-burger-sipcore-rejected in the SIP= CORE working group. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-burger-sipcore-rejected/ Please send your comments to the list or to the chairs by August 13. Thanks! 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 439d9a53-2478-4dcd-2fec-08d5f6b8864b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 Jul 2018 07:37:52.9032 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bde4dffc-4b60-4cf6-8b04-a5eeb25f5c4f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: FRXPR01MB0135 X-OriginatorOrg: telekom.de Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 07:38:01 -0000 Hi Jean, I have seen that we have received support for adopting the draft. Since seen my point of view sufficient support was expressed, I see that we= can proceed with the draft. I'm willing to discuss and consider in updating the draft based on the issu= es mentioned in the two mails from Olle and of course all other comments co= ming in.=20 So my question is if we can proceed and I can then prepare a new draft. Thank you and Best Regards Roland =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von A. Jean > Mahoney > Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 00:00 > An: sipcore@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam- > 02.txt >=20 > Hi Roland, >=20 > I went back through the comments on version -02, and found feedback on > the Privacy Considerations and Security Considerations sections that has = not > yet been incorporated (What happens when an entity other than a phone > adds a location, definition of a trusted network, Security Considerations= of > RFC 6442 out-of-date, etc.) >=20 > That said, we can still ask the WG if they want to adopt the draft, and t= he > draft can still be updated. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Jean >=20 >=20 > On 7/6/18 2:10 PM, Roland Jesske wrote: > > Hi, > > We had around 12 month ago the discussion about the draft and had a > > couple of comments which were addressed. > > I see that this draft is ready for further proceeding since all > > comments are solved. > > Best Regards > > Roland > > -- > > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit WEB.DE > > Mail gesendet. > > Am 06.07.18, 20:45, Paul Kyzivat schrieb: > > > > On 7/6/18 2:19 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > > > Hi Andy, > > > > > > No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some > > of the > > > other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this > > chair > > > didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to > > > individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's > > best if > > > authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. > > > > > > A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -= 03 > > > address your input? > > > > Yes, it addresses my concern. > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore- > locparam/ > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Jean > > > > > > > > > On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: > > >> Just wondering why > > >> > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 = had > > >> not been adopted yet. > > >> > > >> Any update on status? > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Andy > > >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Are there any news about > > draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. > > >>> The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October > > 2017. > > >>> Are there remaining open issues? > > >>> > > >>> Bruno > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ________ > > ___________________________________________________ > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informat= ions > > >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > >>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Jean Mahoney" To: SIPCORE References: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> Message-ID: <6e33be6e-a5e2-a605-a1ef-e00329442c64@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:30:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <08f5c574-e57e-aab3-64d8-fee054b2860d@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Call for adoption: draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:30:16 -0000 Since we heard no objections, draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam shall become a SIPCORE WG document. Jean On 7/9/18 4:59 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: > We propose to adopt draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam as a sipcore > document.  Please provide comments to the list by July 30. > > Thanks, > > Jean, as co-chair From nobody Tue Jul 31 11:30:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FC8130E75 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:30:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fct4YMTA6aMv for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F06A130F35 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mutabilis-2.local ([47.186.17.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w6VIUU9d060383 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:30:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mahoney@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.17.148] claimed to be mutabilis-2.local To: R.Jesske@telekom.de, sipcore@ietf.org References: <859713b7-85db-b366-8d5c-842e21f48992@nostrum.com> From: "A. Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:30:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:30:34 -0000 Hi Roland, Please create a version named draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-00. Thanks! Jean On 7/31/18 2:37 AM, R.Jesske@telekom.de wrote: > Hi Jean, > I have seen that we have received support for adopting the draft. > Since seen my point of view sufficient support was expressed, I see that we can proceed with the draft. > I'm willing to discuss and consider in updating the draft based on the issues mentioned in the two mails from Olle and of course all other comments coming in. > > So my question is if we can proceed and I can then prepare a new draft. > > Thank you and Best Regards > > Roland > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: sipcore [mailto:sipcore-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von A. Jean >> Mahoney >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juli 2018 00:00 >> An: sipcore@ietf.org >> Betreff: Re: [sipcore] news from draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam- >> 02.txt >> >> Hi Roland, >> >> I went back through the comments on version -02, and found feedback on >> the Privacy Considerations and Security Considerations sections that has not >> yet been incorporated (What happens when an entity other than a phone >> adds a location, definition of a trusted network, Security Considerations of >> RFC 6442 out-of-date, etc.) >> >> That said, we can still ask the WG if they want to adopt the draft, and the >> draft can still be updated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jean >> >> >> On 7/6/18 2:10 PM, Roland Jesske wrote: >>> Hi, >>> We had around 12 month ago the discussion about the draft and had a >>> couple of comments which were addressed. >>> I see that this draft is ready for further proceeding since all >>> comments are solved. >>> Best Regards >>> Roland >>> -- >>> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit WEB.DE >>> Mail gesendet. >>> Am 06.07.18, 20:45, Paul Kyzivat schrieb: >>> >>> On 7/6/18 2:19 PM, A. Jean Mahoney wrote: >>> > Hi Andy, >>> > >>> > No update on the status because the chairs were waiting for some >>> of the >>> > other drafts to move along before coming back to this. And this >>> chair >>> > didn't catch that the draft was no longer expired. Revisions to >>> > individual drafts don't cause automatic notifications, so it's >>> best if >>> > authors send a note to the list when there is a new version. >>> > >>> > A question to the reviewers who provided feedback on -02, does -03 >>> > address your input? >>> >>> Yes, it addresses my concern. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >>> >>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winterbottom-sipcore- >> locparam/ >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > >>> > Jean >>> > >>> > >>> > On 7/6/18 4:37 AM, Andy Hutton wrote: >>> >> Just wondering why >>> >> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-03 had >>> >> not been adopted yet. >>> >> >>> >> Any update on status? >>> >> >>> >> Regards >>> >> Andy >>> >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 14:23, wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Are there any news about >>> draft-winterbottom-sipcore-locparam-02.txt. >>> >>> The last mail I have seen on that subject was sent on October >>> 2017. >>> >>> Are there remaining open issues? >>> >>> >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> ________ >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>> >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>> >>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01 / Security Considerations X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:02:32 -0000 A few comments regarding draft-burger-sipcore-rejected-01 from security per= spective: i- "6. Security Considerations" Another risk is for an attacker to purposely not include the sip.608 feature capability in a flood of INVITE requests, direct those requests to stateless proxies, and direct the Contact header to a victim device. Because the mechanism described here can result in an audio file being sent to the target of the Contact header, an attacker could use the mechanism described by this document as an amplification attack, given a SIP INVITE can be under 1 kilobyte and an audio file can be hundreds of kilobytes. I am not sure whether this would be an issue. For most cases, session negot= iation pertaining to announcement would complete within the initial INVITE = transaction and therefor Contact wouldn't come into play as it is used for = new requests but not for responses for the initial INVITE. And if session n= egotiation for the announcement involves a request from the intermediary, e= .g. UPDATE or reINVITE after the dialog is established, the request should = be dropped by the recipient (the entity specified in Contact for INVITE) as= it has a to-tag and a corresponding dialog context does not exist. Or mayb= e I am missing the intended scenario here? ii- A malicious entity can generate a 608 response with a vCard pointing to= a malicious agent. When, for example, the recipient of 608 dials the TEL i= nformation in the vCard he may provide private information by assuming that= he is contacting a legitimate regulatory department. I think adding some t= ext to mandate use of certificates for vCards and that UE needs to verify t= hem is justified. There still would be an issue if the UE is unable to disp= lay the vCard and/or the certificate derived organization and for the annou= ncement case though. It could be an idea the contact information (vCard or = announcement) is provided by a new call where originator is STIR verified b= ut then that wouldn't help if UE is not STIR-aware. Thanks, Tolga