From nobody Sun Feb 2 07:45:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363AA12004D; Sun, 2 Feb 2020 07:45:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org, Jean Mahoney , sipcore-chairs@ietf.org, mahoney@nostrum.com, sipcore@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <158065831114.11329.8030540381864270982.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2020 07:45:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-sipcore-locparam-05=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2020 15:45:11 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. I found the document easy to read even for a non SIP-fluent person like me. I have just one non-blocking comment/question. Your reply will be appreciated. -- Section 7 -- If the source of location is critical, then I wonder why this source is not cryptographically authenticated... Having hop-by-hop TLS protection is not enough probably as the UE (or any adverse proxy on the path) could insert a fake Geoloc with a fake loc-src. I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric From nobody Sun Feb 2 11:31:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E309120033; Sun, 2 Feb 2020 11:31:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org, Jean Mahoney , sipcore-chairs@ietf.org, mahoney@nostrum.com, sipcore@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <158067186460.11361.2101221761427069696.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2020 11:31:04 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2020 19:31:05 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Section 7. It is likely worth emphasizing that the veracity of the “loc-src” parameter, like all elements of locationValue, is dependent on the security properties of the architectures conveying the information; and the trust placed in the participating nodes. Put another way, just because it is there, does mean the loc-src is accurate or the true source. ** Editorial Nits -- Section 3. s/Each has it own/Each has its own/ -- Per [M493], s/Februar 2015/February 2015/ From nobody Tue Feb 4 06:31:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC37120020; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 06:31:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=PY74KVKF; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=gXSElxVp Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MxVtaJTxOz34; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 06:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A88EC1200CD; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 06:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D848B2125E; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 09:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 04 Feb 2020 09:31:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= from:message-id:content-type:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; s=fm2; bh=YSiWkKm/SJjshuLtW88Dhr/ Ea5YNNi3HCx3CygDxwq8=; b=PY74KVKFWX5Faeo0HQmuGJ2xYGfDefNES9oD+zN pasqoZmQxBsUaev8CDEmXZWf1DJtU00QFapDayQu0/3WHuBVn0IlY3x5zthdyJCV HIqvbxahHUYmhP58xv9QBT9dv2GuxNwVkGgqwetc09tEiudM6X5FELaV7pcCrBCu fdLNCkAVXMpVwHG7/AAZYxl3XV0ufg83If3JdVtaRRPFYAq3YiTcw6K/cwPOGZGk AqPjTxwBEdJ+FEXxYuelE2KmRZ5oRa0jsarNUlH4Pg0/Civ3Ptb/QRPNLk/NUCkJ 9QoOneUCkqGohgGrtP1/p2EPf1rdq52WuPt+eyCVIpldwuA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=YSiWkK m/SJjshuLtW88Dhr/Ea5YNNi3HCx3CygDxwq8=; b=gXSElxVpIYlSYFZXZn7ENc bsMjIHa45SEUpJU4yZ2ZtpoAw0nltITDXdV3Rq3JuHkX75ai5PaQH5CIg7e4Sydx 6OZkil74MHJSNw2lDhBYRtgs+pZOAxCiCr89yBZ2dcoey38SmAlHVsQGFAdHKS2n 9SRiwUgYU2X6W6IcxjcgEN7VH/kO+COl8v5aABDpAvWqrmpUphhmrEPOyL+ONr/t m9aIgjAVXA69vPzD84JE+YvF4o6pGD/DvGxjWG+0brVbwJgSq0lj9T5FPgPMJP9F ftyfYhWvhsXqgbhbE+l1VW5Ub53V0Lsx7k/KQ8eiUJkxZWrci+ZXRvALDW2WAEOA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrgeelgdeiiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefhkfgtggfuffgjvfhfofesrgdtmherhhdtjeenucfhrhhomheptehlihhsshgr ucevohhophgvrhcuoegrlhhishhsrgestghoohhpvghrfidrihhnqeenucfkphepuddtke drhedurddutddurdelkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgr ihhlfhhrohhmpegrlhhishhsrgestghoohhpvghrfidrihhn X-ME-Proxy: Received: from alcoop-m-c46z.fios-router.home (pool-108-51-101-98.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.101.98]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 393493060717; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 09:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alissa Cooper Message-Id: <14F56988-1A9B-4193-A65B-160B0F1ABEBA@cooperw.in> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A54CEBEE-BCE5-408D-872D-0A880CA87804" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 09:31:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: R.Jesske@telekom.de, last-call@ietf.org, IETF Gen-ART , sipcore@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam.all@ietf.org To: Ines Robles References: <158007773292.30620.10003591846793078340@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-04 X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2020 14:31:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A54CEBEE-BCE5-408D-872D-0A880CA87804 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ines, thanks for your review. Roland, thanks for your response. I = entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ines Robles = wrote: >=20 > Hi Roland, >=20 > Thank you for addressing my comments. I agree with them. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Ines. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:50 AM > wrote: > Hi Ines, > Thank you for your review. > I have incoperated your comments within the draft. >=20 > On Question 1 In Section 1 I have changed the last paragraph by adding = the reference of RF64412 as follows: > " This document extends the Geolocation header field of RFC6442, by = allowing an entity adding the locationValue to identity itself using a = hostname. This is done by defining a new geoloc-param header field = parameter, >=20 > Hope this is OK for you. >=20 > Question 2: It is difficult to reference the various architectures for = emergency since each country, based on national regulation rules, may = have it's own architecture.=20 >=20 > Question 3: This apply to the rules defined in RFC6442 in Section 4.4. >=20 > Best Regards >=20 > Roland >=20 > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Ines Robles via Datatracker >=20 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Januar 2020 23:29 > An: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: last-call@ietf.org ; sipcore@ietf..org = ; draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam.all@ietf.org = > Betreff: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-04 >=20 > Reviewer: Ines Robles > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area = Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the = IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any = other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > >. >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-04 > Reviewer: Ines Robles > Review Date: 2020-01-26 > IETF LC End Date: 2020-01-27 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: >=20 > This document proposes for SIP protocol, a new geolocation parameter, = the location-source ("loc-src"), so that an entity adding the = locationValue to Geolocation header field can identify itself using its = hostname. >=20 > The document does not present major issues. I have some minor = questions/suggestions at the end. >=20 > Major issues: Not found >=20 > Minor issues: Not found >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: >=20 > Section 4: "A UA MUST..." it would be nice to expand UA "A User Agent = (UA) MUST..." >=20 > Questions/Suggestions: >=20 > 1- Section 1: I think it would be nice to add explicitly "This = document updates > 6442 by extending the Geolocation header field..." >=20 > 2- Section 3: where it states "There are various architectures = defined f...Each has it own characteristics with corresponding pros and = cons....." I think it would be nice to add a reference/s to it. >=20 > 3- Which Geolocation-Error codes correspond to the situation when the = "loc-scr" > field presents some error, or one LocationValue presents two "loc-src" = fields and the locationValue in both cases is correct? >=20 > Thank you for this document, >=20 > Ines. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art --Apple-Mail=_A54CEBEE-BCE5-408D-872D-0A880CA87804 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ines,= thanks for your review. Roland, thanks for your response. I entered a = No Objection ballot.

Alissa


On Jan = 29, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hi Roland,

Thank you for addressing my comments. I agree with = them.

Best,

Ines.



On Wed, Jan = 29, 2020 at 8:50 AM <R.Jesske@telekom.de> wrote:
Hi Ines,
Thank you for your review.
I have incoperated your comments within the draft.

On Question 1 In Section 1 I have changed the last paragraph by adding = the reference of RF64412 as follows:
 " This document extends the Geolocation header field of RFC6442, = by allowing an entity adding the locationValue to identity itself using = a hostname. This is done by defining a new geoloc-param header field = parameter,

Hope this is OK for you.

Question 2: It is difficult to reference the various architectures for = emergency since each country, based on national regulation rules, may = have it's own architecture.

Question 3: This apply to the rules defined in RFC6442 in Section = 4.4.

Best Regards

Roland

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Ines Robles via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Januar 2020 23:29
An: gen-art@ietf.org
Cc: last-call@ietf.org; sipcore@ietf..org; draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam.all@ietf.org
Betreff: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-04

Reviewer: Ines Robles
Review result: Ready with Nits

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area = Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the = IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just like any = other last call comments.

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Document: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-04
Reviewer: Ines Robles
Review Date: 2020-01-26
IETF LC End Date: 2020-01-27
IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary:

This document proposes for SIP protocol, a new geolocation parameter, = the location-source ("loc-src"), so that an entity adding the = locationValue to Geolocation header field can identify itself using its = hostname.

The document does not present major issues. I have some minor = questions/suggestions at the end.

Major issues: Not found

Minor issues: Not found

Nits/editorial comments:

Section 4: "A UA MUST..." it would be nice to expand UA "A User Agent = (UA) MUST..."

Questions/Suggestions:

1- Section 1: I think it would be nice to add explicitly "This document = updates
6442 by extending the Geolocation header field..."

2- Section 3:  where it states "There are various architectures = defined f...Each has it own characteristics with corresponding pros and = cons....." I think it would be nice to add a reference/s to it.

3- Which Geolocation-Error codes correspond to the situation when the = "loc-scr"
field presents some error, or one LocationValue presents two "loc-src" = fields and the locationValue in both cases is correct?

Thank you for this document,

Ines.

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= --Apple-Mail=_A54CEBEE-BCE5-408D-872D-0A880CA87804-- From nobody Tue Feb 4 22:38:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403CC120096; Tue, 4 Feb 2020 22:38:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org, Jean Mahoney , sipcore-chairs@ietf.org, mahoney@nostrum.com, sipcore@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <158088470322.15768.16507673259473509493.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2020 22:38:23 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 06:38:23 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Ben’s comments, and have only some editorial ones of my own to add: — Section 4 — Only a fully qualified host name is valid. The syntax does not support IP addresses, and if an entity conforming to this specification receives a Geolocation header field with a "loc-src" parameter containing an IP address then the parameter MUST be removed. It’s a small point, but as you’re already identifying a subject (“an entity conforming to this specification”), it’s unnecessarily awkward to use oassive voice: NEW Only a fully qualified host name is valid. The syntax does not support IP addresses, and if an entity conforming to this specification receives a Geolocation header field with a "loc-src" parameter containing an IP address, it MUST remove the parameter. END — Section 7 — This document introduces the ability of a SIP intermediary to insert a host name indicating that they added the specific locationValue to the Geolocation header field. Make it “indicating that it added”; there aren’t multiple intermediaries here. If such trust domain is not given, it is strongly recommended to delete the location information. I think the right fix to Ben’s comment here is “If a sufficient trust relationship does not exist, it is strongly recommended that the location information be deleted.” From nobody Thu Feb 6 04:06:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E722B120893; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 04:06:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org, Jean Mahoney , sipcore-chairs@ietf.org, mahoney@nostrum.com, sipcore@ietf.org, bemasc@google.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.117.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <158099079090.12311.6598972217013984389.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 04:06:30 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:06:31 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** * Note, that I am conducting an experiment when people aspiring to be* * Area Directors get exposed to AD work ("AD shadowing experiment"). * * As a part of this experiment they get to review documents on IESG * * telechats according to IESG Discuss criteria document and their * * comments get relayed pretty much verbatim to relevant editors/WGs. * * As an AD I retain responsibility in defending their position when * * I agree with it. * * Recipients of these reviews are encouraged to reply to me directly * * about perceived successes or failures of this experiment. * ********************************************************************** The following comments were provided by Benjamin Schwartz : Benjamin would have balloted *YES* on this document. ## Section 1 Typo: “to identity itself” Purpose: “How the entity adding the locationValue to the header field obtains the location information is out of scope of this document.” -> OK, but if this document isn’t intending to change the semantic intent of the Geolocation header, then it should say so. In the current text, it’s hard to tell whether the field indicates the location of the endpoint or the intermediary. Some text like “this parameter does not alter the subject of the locationValue” would help. ## Section 7 “If such trust domain is not given, it is strongly recommended to delete the location information.” -> Is this consistent with the example in Figure 2? I think this is worth clarifying in the example text. 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It all looks good. Barry On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:27 AM wrote: > > Hi, > Thank you for your comments. > I have incorporated your proposals as below mentioned. > > Best Regards > > Roland > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Barry Leiba via Datatracker > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. Februar 2020 07:38 > An: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org; Jean Mahoney ; sipcore-chairs@ietf.org; mahoney@nostrum.com; sipcore@ietf.org > Betreff: Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: (w= ith COMMENT) > > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all ema= il addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introd= uctory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I agree with Ben=E2=80=99s comments, and have only some editorial ones of= my own to add: > > =E2=80=94 Section 4 =E2=80=94 > > Only a fully qualified host name is valid. The syntax does not > support IP addresses, and if an entity conforming to this > specification receives a Geolocation header field with a "loc-src" > parameter containing an IP address then the parameter MUST be > removed. > > It=E2=80=99s a small point, but as you=E2=80=99re already identifying a s= ubject (=E2=80=9Can entity conforming to this specification=E2=80=9D), it= =E2=80=99s unnecessarily awkward to use oassive > voice: > > NEW > Only a fully qualified host name is valid. The syntax does not > support IP addresses, and if an entity conforming to this > specification receives a Geolocation header field with a "loc-src" > parameter containing an IP address, it MUST remove the > parameter. > END > > [RJ] OK, have it changed to your proposal. > > =E2=80=94 Section 7 =E2=80=94 > > This document introduces the ability of a SIP intermediary to insert > a host name indicating that they added the specific locationValue to > the Geolocation header field. > > Make it =E2=80=9Cindicating that it added=E2=80=9D; there aren=E2=80=99t = multiple intermediaries here. > > If such trust domain is not given, it is > strongly recommended to delete the location information. > > I think the right fix to Ben=E2=80=99s comment here is =E2=80=9CIf a suff= icient trust relationship does not exist, it is strongly recommended that t= he location information be deleted.=E2=80=9D > > [RJ] OK. With regard to Ben's comment I have changed it to: > To avoid problems with misinterpretation of the > "loc-src" parameter, the value should be removed when passed to anoth= er domain. > > Seeing your proposal I would change the sentence now to: > > To avoid problems of a possible corruption of the location information in= cluding the "loc-src" parameter when using a untrusted relationship, it is = strongly recommended to delete location information when passed to another = domain out of the trust domain. > > I hope this is OK for you. > From nobody Mon Feb 10 08:24:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CD512086B for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6CwPGb8jwaWg for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E992120850 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id c9so8543814wrw.8 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DWLbZfQDNQxNMQpA+1zrklKDjuDsXGGoNbd9lisC6+g=; b=gW1SNYdqRyLjSkikW7A4kNn8KAaTfipsOWGH9yxEYSXUwAtRvYQahx9V7+iVTVCI+Z BMYyvNJPrPSspGUTmD3ePVnX3CvaPT5VzSy1TvwQH4lrlK2k3YihFVsaTaYiZ0tmecKU FERHBhGjwgNEVHh6qby/1Gx8B3IutK9/z0UIUVkyQr6KAus1vIFz1Rsd0n2/kn0FGsdM UohcpzdQCOiyecm2bt/dr4Z4UYA8h4dewOf9rPbpBJ5lYXuy9pq/XU5iy405vqeP++pW nf8hrBsf5TOsI2u1yISW0V+uB/YcjmWVCZsnmlsbWpDEB8sUg+eNBigVyOfhjZFBlHxQ +kkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DWLbZfQDNQxNMQpA+1zrklKDjuDsXGGoNbd9lisC6+g=; b=MbCEwZC+FfRN95Hgu2owjfCAPV+u+itVTmkjNwivk3YiOAVk9Svt+s/RtGgLmlLL3p 6eSwXzRVBUvsDeELiaugywTDMNRTSoFX5V68KYgKuT2d+ayxcvo1naTniW5M3gmd758Z ozbrJnFNz4zHajWsDIHSPEN/2GzKt+LcTAP1N1omUfkFQ+pvT/DHZss604yI/pT7s0vq NxrmcVwSDlzvwFVXIiX1oDpEHke2XTtog/SGUwA0kfWv9R9T+K2r3WXPTSLqTph/334R 3s3NAiffeg+AhAJmNelMqDZ4ZKRdqIkizPvheGdTLIjy44upcZEZF2v2lTXDjlGOAK1L xj0g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXe26HF7F9KS3rveJWz4Y8Y87jXvnE666brViwCtYYeQvHT3QcE OcJh3kbTenN/bKd6te/Ga9oxyelvCImhwkYlI72Seg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyRXrSPLSCnWOhsonZef3rv8ylQgTAgD80HdyhcnZJ3vyQ0XOAMTfoIfYj6GaN+zVKpiDkrKrRZ+4jZCFyPzSI= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e906:: with SMTP id f6mr2779200wrm.258.1581351844508; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:24:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <158099079090.12311.6598972217013984389.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Ben Schwartz Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:23:52 -0500 Message-ID: To: R.Jesske@telekom.de Cc: Alexey Melnikov , The IESG , draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org, sipcore@ietf.org, sipcore-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000fe0647059e3b2ae6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:24:18 -0000 --000000000000fe0647059e3b2ae6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f54d5c059e3b2a5a" --000000000000f54d5c059e3b2a5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, thank you for making those changes. On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 2:00 AM wrote: > Hi, > Thank you for your comments. > I have incorporated your proposals as below mentioned. > > Best Regards > > Roland > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: sipcore Im Auftrag von Alexey Melnikov > via Datatracker > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Februar 2020 13:07 > An: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org; bemasc@google.com; > sipcore@ietf.org; sipcore-chairs@ietf.org > Betreff: [sipcore] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on > draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: (with COMMENT) > > Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-05: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ********************************************************************** > * Note, that I am conducting an experiment when people aspiring to be* > * Area Directors get exposed to AD work ("AD shadowing experiment"). * > * As a part of this experiment they get to review documents on IESG * > * telechats according to IESG Discuss criteria document and their * > * comments get relayed pretty much verbatim to relevant editors/WGs. * > * As an AD I retain responsibility in defending their position when * > * I agree with it. * > * Recipients of these reviews are encouraged to reply to me directly * > * about perceived successes or failures of this experiment. * > ********************************************************************** > > The following comments were provided by Benjamin Schwartz < > bemasc@google.com>: > > Benjamin would have balloted *YES* on this document. > > ## Section 1 > > Typo: =E2=80=9Cto identity itself=E2=80=9D > > [RJ]: done > > Purpose: =E2=80=9CHow the entity adding the locationValue to the header f= ield > obtains the location information is out of scope of this document.=E2=80= =9D -> OK, > but if this document isn=E2=80=99t intending to change the semantic inten= t of the > Geolocation header, then it should say so. In the current text, it=E2=80= =99s hard > to tell whether the field indicates the location of the endpoint or the > intermediary. Some text like =E2=80=9Cthis parameter does not alter the = subject of > the locationValue=E2=80=9D > would help. > > [RJ] I have added the following sentence. I hope this is OK > ..... is out of scope of this document. > Please note that the "loc-src" parameter field does not alter the > subject of the locationValue. > > ## Section 7 > > =E2=80=9CIf such trust domain is not given, it is strongly recommended to= delete > the location information.=E2=80=9D -> Is this consistent with the example= in Figure > 2? I think this is worth clarifying in the example text. > > [RJ]: I have changed the test below Figure 2 as follows: > > Figure 2: Example Location Request (in trust domain) > > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > --000000000000f54d5c059e3b2a5a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, thank you for making those changes.

On Mon, Feb 10, 202= 0 at 2:00 AM <R.Jesske@telekom.de= > wrote:
= Hi,
Thank you for your comments.
I have incorporated your proposals as below mentioned.

Best Regards

Roland

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Betreff: [sipcore] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-sipcore= -locparam-05: (with COMMENT)

Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for
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* I agree with it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*
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The following comments were provided by Benjamin Schwartz <bemasc@google.com>:

Benjamin would have balloted *YES* on this document.

## Section 1

Typo: =E2=80=9Cto identity itself=E2=80=9D

[RJ]: done

Purpose: =E2=80=9CHow the entity adding the locationValue to the header fie= ld obtains the location information is out of scope of this document.=E2=80= =9D -> OK, but if this document isn=E2=80=99t intending to change the se= mantic intent of the Geolocation header, then it should say so.=C2=A0 In th= e current text, it=E2=80=99s hard to tell whether the field indicates the l= ocation of the endpoint or the intermediary.=C2=A0 Some text like =E2=80=9C= this parameter does not alter the subject of the locationValue=E2=80=9D
would help.

[RJ] I have added the following sentence. I hope this is OK
=C2=A0 =C2=A0..... is out of scope of this document.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please note that the "loc-src" parame= ter field does not alter the subject of the locationValue.

## Section 7

=E2=80=9CIf such trust domain is not given, it is strongly recommended to d= elete the location information.=E2=80=9D -> Is this consistent with the = example in Figure 2?=C2=A0 I think this is worth clarifying in the example = text.

[RJ]: I have changed the test below Figure 2 as follows:

Figure 2: Example Location Request (in trust domain)


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Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sipcore@ietf.org Message-ID: <158167327072.16127.11323599401580451614@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 01:41:10 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 09:41:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core WG of the IETF. Title : Location Source Parameter for the SIP Geolocation Header Field Authors : James Winterbottom Roland Jesske Bruno Chatras Andrew Hutton Filename : draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2020-02-14 Abstract: There are some circumstances where a Geolocation header field may contain more than one locationValue. Knowing the identity of the node adding the locationValue allows the recipient more freedom in selecting the value to look at first rather than relying solely on the order of the locationValues. This document defines the "loc-src" parameter so that the entity adding the locationValue to Geolocation header field can identify itself using its hostname. This document updates RFC 6442. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Feb 14 16:30:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E69120013; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:29:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.117.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , Jean Mahoney , adam@nostrum.com, sipcore-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam@ietf.org, sipcore@ietf.org, mahoney@nostrum.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <158172659478.16169.10487845212523385084.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:29:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Protocol Action: 'Location Source Parameter for the SIP Geolocation Header Field' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06.txt) X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 00:29:55 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Location Source Parameter for the SIP Geolocation Header Field' (draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Session Initiation Protocol Core Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Barry Leiba. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam/ Technical Summary The Geolocation SIP header field [RFC6442] indicates that the SIP message conveys location information, which is typically provided by a user agent client (UAC), such as a person's cell phone. However, a UAC is not the only SIP element that can add geolocation information. Mobile networks also have location information about the UACs that use their networks. SIP proxies and intermediaries can add this location information to the SIP message, but there has not been a way to identify which SIP entity contributed the location information. This specification defines a new parameter for the Geolocation header field that identifies the source that added the location information to the SIP message. Working Group Summary This document started out in the DISPATCH working group, where it was discussed on list and presented at IETF 93. The DISPATCH plan originally was to have an AD sponsor the draft, but with the change in SIPCORE's charter allowing the WG to consider small, self-contained SIP extensions, the draft was dispatched to SIPCORE, where it was adopted. Document Quality The draft received extensive feedback from both DISPATCH and SIPCORE participants, and reviewers have been thanked in the Acknowledgments section. Implementation notes: this extension to the Geolocation header field has been requested by regulatory bodies and is expected to be deployed in European mobile networks. As of this writing, there is at least one implementation. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd? Jean Mahoney Who is the Responsible Area Director? Adam Roach From nobody Mon Feb 17 18:35:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietf.org Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D5D12084C; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 06:42:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Tim Chown via Datatracker To: Cc: last-call@ietf.org, sipcore@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.117.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Tim Chown Message-ID: <158195057743.18035.4886589758870412146@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 06:42:57 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-sipcore-locparam-06 X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:42:58 -0000 Reviewer: Tim Chown Review result: Has Issues Hi, I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. The draft describes an extension to RFC6442 to support the inclusion of a “loc-src” parameter to the SIP Geolocation field such that when multiple locationValues are present the recipient can make a better informed decision about which locationValue it wishes to use. For the context of my comments, I am not that familiar with SIP-related protocols. The rationale for the addition of this parameter appears sound, and its definition seems appropriate. However, the document is written in such a way that the rationale is split over two sections, and the mechanism for including the parameter is split across three sections, leaving the document a little clumsy for readers to follow. Overall, the document is one that should ultimately be published, but as is it has issues, and in my view needs some restructuring to make it more concise and simpler to follow, so is not (yet) ready for publication. Main comments: The definition of the parameter itself is fine. The first issue is around the rationale. This seems perfectly sound, but the document splits the reasoning between most of the Introduction and the first two paragraphs of Section 3. It would be better to have the rationale in a Rationale section, without repetition. The more confusing issue is the way the mechanism is described over Sections 3 (paragraphs 3,4,5), 4 (paragraph 3) and 7 (all paragraphs). There is repetition, some clashes, and some ambiguity. Rewriting the text to have a single mechanism section would make the text far clearer, in my view. Here is how I would suggest the text is restructured: Introduction Largely paras 1 and 2 of the current intro. Rationale Largely para 3 of the intro, and paras 1 and 2 of the existing Rationale section. Loc-src parameter specification Paras 1-2 of the Mechanism section, with the Figure, and para 6 of the Rationale section. Mechanism A rewrite of paras 3-5 of the current Rationale section, para 3 of the current Mechanism section, and pretty much all of the Security section. Example Can stay as is Privacy Considerations Fine Security Considerations Just one para mentioning the trust issue and the protections defined in the Mechanism section would be fine. Don’t split the guidance as it currently is across three sections - put it all in one pace where - a new Mechanisms section as above - it can be much more easily followed and implemented. Other comments: Section 3 Para 2 says the document makes no comment on the rationale, but the document explains the rationale. Perhaps just delete this. Para 5 talks about another networks with no trust; is the issue messages sent to (as stated) or also received from? I think when you pull all the mechanism text into one place you can make this clearer. Section 4 Para 3 - what is the difference between a UA and UE from the point of view of an end node adding (or not adding) a loc-src parameter? It says a UA MUST NOT add one, but in Section 5 states that a UE might provide it? The last sentence talks of removing loc-src for certain case(s) but this is also included in Sections 3 and 7. It really needs to be stated clearly in one place. Section 5 Para 1 - RFC 4483 or RFC 2392? RFC6442 cites 2392 for cid. Section 7 Para 1 - What is a “location recipient”? A receiver which is inspecting a header with multiple locationValues? Perhaps define this, or rewrite. Paras 2 and 3 - “strongly recommended” should be “RECOMMENDED” ? I think much of this section is repeating what has been said before, e.g. in Section 4 it says “MUST remove” and here it says removing it is (only) strongly recommended. 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This document has just been approved for = publication. Brian > On Feb 17, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Tim Chown via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Tim Chown > Review result: Has Issues >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's = ongoing > effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. = These > comments were written with the intent of improving the operational = aspects of > the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be = included > in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs = should > treat these comments just like any other last call comments. >=20 > The draft describes an extension to RFC6442 to support the inclusion = of a > =E2=80=9Cloc-src=E2=80=9D parameter to the SIP Geolocation field such = that when multiple > locationValues are present the recipient can make a better informed = decision > about which locationValue it wishes to use. >=20 > For the context of my comments, I am not that familiar with = SIP-related > protocols. >=20 > The rationale for the addition of this parameter appears sound, and = its > definition seems appropriate. However, the document is written in such = a way > that the rationale is split over two sections, and the mechanism for = including > the parameter is split across three sections, leaving the document a = little > clumsy for readers to follow. >=20 > Overall, the document is one that should ultimately be published, but = as is it > has issues, and in my view needs some restructuring to make it more = concise and > simpler to follow, so is not (yet) ready for publication. >=20 > Main comments: >=20 > The definition of the parameter itself is fine. >=20 > The first issue is around the rationale. This seems perfectly sound, = but the > document splits the reasoning between most of the Introduction and the = first > two paragraphs of Section 3. It would be better to have the rationale = in a > Rationale section, without repetition. >=20 > The more confusing issue is the way the mechanism is described over = Sections 3 > (paragraphs 3,4,5), 4 (paragraph 3) and 7 (all paragraphs). There is > repetition, some clashes, and some ambiguity. Rewriting the text to = have a > single mechanism section would make the text far clearer, in my view. >=20 > Here is how I would suggest the text is restructured: >=20 > Introduction > Largely paras 1 and 2 of the current intro. >=20 > Rationale > Largely para 3 of the intro, and paras 1 and 2 of the existing = Rationale > section. >=20 > Loc-src parameter specification > Paras 1-2 of the Mechanism section, with the Figure, and para 6 of the > Rationale section. >=20 > Mechanism > A rewrite of paras 3-5 of the current Rationale section, para 3 of the = current > Mechanism section, and pretty much all of the Security section. >=20 > Example > Can stay as is >=20 > Privacy Considerations > Fine >=20 > Security Considerations > Just one para mentioning the trust issue and the protections defined = in the > Mechanism section would be fine. Don=E2=80=99t split the guidance as = it currently is > across three sections - put it all in one pace where - a new = Mechanisms section > as above - it can be much more easily followed and implemented. >=20 > Other comments: >=20 > Section 3 > Para 2 says the document makes no comment on the rationale, but the = document > explains the rationale. Perhaps just delete this. Para 5 talks about = another > networks with no trust; is the issue messages sent to (as stated) or = also > received from? I think when you pull all the mechanism text into one = place you > can make this clearer. >=20 > Section 4 > Para 3 - what is the difference between a UA and UE from the point of = view of > an end node adding (or not adding) a loc-src parameter? It says a UA = MUST NOT > add one, but in Section 5 states that a UE might provide it? The last = sentence > talks of removing loc-src for certain case(s) but this is also = included in > Sections 3 and 7. It really needs to be stated clearly in one place. >=20 > Section 5 > Para 1 - RFC 4483 or RFC 2392? RFC6442 cites 2392 for cid. >=20 > Section 7 > Para 1 - What is a =E2=80=9Clocation recipient=E2=80=9D? A receiver = which is inspecting a > header with multiple locationValues? Perhaps define this, or rewrite. = Paras 2 > and 3 - =E2=80=9Cstrongly recommended=E2=80=9D should be = =E2=80=9CRECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D ? 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All,

This new version of the document h= as few editorial changes.=C2=A0
Many thanks to Jean Mahoney for t= hese editorial changes and the conversion of the XML source file from v2 to= v3.

Regards,
=C2=A0Rifaat

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:17 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core WG of the= IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Third-Party Token-based Authentication and Authorization for Session Initi= ation Protocol (SIP)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Rifa= at Shekh-Yusef
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Christer Holmberg
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Victor Pascual
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 13
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2020-02-18

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines a SIP mechanism that relies on the OAuth= 2.0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and OpenID Connect Core 1.0 to enable delegation of the user =C2=A0 =C2=A0authentication and SIP registration authorization to a third-p= arty.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The document updates RFC 3261.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdi= ff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: <62fff329-c42d-a7f3-7ae0-7bec4ab2fecd@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 22:02:44 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sipcore] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08.txt X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 04:02:50 -0000 I just converted it to v3. I still have edits on my todo list. I'll make nit fixes in GitHub and post my comments to the list regarding bigger issues. (Like, what's a reference token?) Thanks! Jean On 2/18/20 7:22 PM, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef wrote: > All, > > This new version of the document has few editorial changes. > Many thanks to Jean Mahoney for these editorial changes and the > conversion of the XML source file from v2 to v3. > > Regards, >  Rifaat > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 8:17 PM > wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Session Initiation Protocol Core WG > of the IETF. > >         Title           : Third-Party Token-based Authentication > and Authorization for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) >         Authors         : Rifaat Shekh-Yusef >                           Christer Holmberg >                           Victor Pascual >         Filename        : draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08.txt >         Pages           : 13 >         Date            : 2020-02-18 > > Abstract: >    This document defines a SIP mechanism that relies on the OAuth 2.0 >    and OpenID Connect Core 1.0 to enable delegation of the user >    authentication and SIP registration authorization to a third-party. >    The document updates RFC 3261. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08 > https://datatracker.ietf..org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08 > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org > . > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > > > _______________________________________________ > sipcore mailing list > sipcore@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipcore > From nobody Wed Feb 19 06:43:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sipcore@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A260212011F; 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Jean Mahoney" Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:29:38 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [sipcore] Doc Shepherd review of draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz-08 X-BeenThere: sipcore@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Core Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:29:47 -0000 Hi all, Below is my review of -08. Thanks! Jean Abstract - To better define what the document covers, perhaps: This document defines the "Bearer" authentication scheme for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), and a mechanism by which user authentication and SIP registration authorization is delegated to a third party, using the OAuth 2.0 framework and OpenID Connect Core 1.0. This document updates RFC 3261 to provide guidance on how a SIP User Agent Client (UAC) responds to a SIP 401/407 response that contains multiple WWW-Authenticate/Proxy-Authenticate header fields. Copyright - Does the document need a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work? Section 1. Introduction The introduction should provide some text about the single-signon use case. I would pull the Example Flows section forward to be part of the Introduction. Section 1.2 SIP User Agent Types I think that this section should include a brief, non-normative discussion of how a UAC can act on an HTTPS URL - RFC8252 for Native Apps (user interacts with the authorization server with a browser), RFC8628 for browserless devices, and that there may be other ways in the future. Section 2.1 UAC Behavior Should provide more guidance on token expiration. Section 2.1.1 Obtaining Tokens Add references for the token types. Section 2.2. UAS and Registrar Behavior Should provide more guidance on token expiration. Section 3. Access Token Claims Add info about reference token (or maybe that should go in the Intro) Section 8. Acknowledgments Yehoshua Gev should also get a nod in this section. Nits: See the pull request for specifics. https://github.com/rifaat-ietf/draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-token-authnz/pull/5/commits/a653c1a5f1184f3eeb5ccabd101f0d6a0053a6b1