From nobody Wed May 2 00:44:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7A21252BA; Wed, 2 May 2018 00:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ysJfF8eanEp8; Wed, 2 May 2018 00:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56DB312E051; Wed, 2 May 2018 00:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 850C51801590; Wed, 2 May 2018 09:44:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 09:44:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 07:44:50 -0000 Working Group, February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track has been raised. The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational document. It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC. Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to RFC 6790. Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). /Loa for the mpls wf co-chairs PS I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 2 04:22:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851F5126C83; Wed, 2 May 2018 04:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UpjjjMlu3X3n; Wed, 2 May 2018 04:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 521FA126B72; Wed, 2 May 2018 04:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6141A1801590; Wed, 2 May 2018 13:22:16 +0200 (CEST) To: "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "mpls@ietf.org" , SPRING WG List , mpls , "sfc@ietf.org" References: <2ac6b61d-3a38-1aaf-62ae-d923f1ad7468@pi.nu> <052998BB-B820-412C-8363-B3EB7551B299@nokia.com> <1522554645079.8864@bell.ca> <1522812352107.5966@bell.ca> <489a9667-f159-4607-5834-b4bacf64989c@gmail.com> <09337fcf-64c9-450c-8dbc-ba8330611fe4.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> <6EE25554-3714-4A75-896F-24CC89BAA807@gmail.com> <5dab5411-0b08-4bd4-86ec-752e1803c3ff.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> <6bea41f6-5519-f512-92e5-a72bbd6187da@gmail.com> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <48af626d-bfae-3e11-39ec-a36fa2984d81@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 13:22:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 11:22:22 -0000 Andy, The chairs of the SPRING and MPLS wg has discussed the proposal to adopt draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining in the MPLS wg. Our agreement is that draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining belongs in the SPRING wg. /Loa for the SPRING and MPLS wg co-chairs On 2018-04-15 16:55, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Zafar, et al, > > Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both > drafts, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to > best determine the technical details going forward, and how best to > document them. That way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:44 AM, Zafar Ali (zali) > wrote: > > Dear Stewart, WG Chairs and the WG, ____ > > __ __ > > I do not agree with Stewart’s points and will response in a separate > email. But all that is just noise and that cannot resolve the issue > at hand. ____ > > __ __ > > A countless time, Xiaohu has raised the issue that the intellectual > property for the contents in section 6 of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc > belongs to draft-xu-mpls-service-chaining. Please see one of > Xiaohu's recent emails with the subject *"[spring] For the fairness > and justice of the IETF culture"* dated Thursday, April 5, 2018 at > 12:34 AM, copied in the following. ____ > > __ __ > > This issue was also raised by many during the WG adoption poll of > the document. The chairs adopted the work with the promise of fixing > the issue. Specifically, in the email to announce the adoption of > the ID to the WG, the chair(s) mentioned the following:____ > > __ __ > > "That decision is taken, the issues that has been pointed out are____ > > noted. These issues need to be resolved on the mailing list and____ > > rough consensus need to be reached for text changes in the document.____ > > Actually the members of the working group have much more influence > on____ > > a working group document, than on an individual draft.____ > > It would be far better if we now focused on proposing text changes,____ > > rather than discussing processes."____ > > __ __ > > This is a serious issue; we need to remove section 6 from draft- > farrel-mpls-sfc to move forward. These contents will proceed in > draft-xu*, where the contents started initially. Everyone will have > a fair chance to contribute to the contents as part of > collaborations on draft-xu*. __ __ > > __ __ > > Thanks____ > > __ __ > > Regards … Zafar ____ > > __ __ > > *From: *spring > on behalf of "徐小虎(义先)" > > > *Date: *Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 12:34 AM > *To: *"mpls@ietf.org " >, SPRING WG List > > *Cc: *"ietf@ietf.org " > > *Subject: *[spring] For the fairness and justice of the IETF > culture//Re: [mpls] What to do with draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-00.txt____ > > __ __ > > Hi all,____ > > __ __ > > As I had pointed out before, this draft describes two MPLS-based SFC____ > > approaches: one is how to encode the NSH info, more specifically, > the SPI____ > > and SI info by two MPLS labels, which is still a stateful SFC > mechanism____ > > just like NSH; another is how to leverage the MPLS-SR to realize a____ > > stateless SFC (see section 6).____ > > __ __ > > It has been pointed out by many people that section 6 of the draft > copies____ > > the____ > > idea of (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-service-chaining > )____ > > without any technology contribution except replacing “MPLS Segment____ > > Routing” by “Label Stack”. Funnily, one author of > draft-ietf-mpls-sfc____ > > had inadvertently admitted____ > > "using a different name for the same thing is not so clever" (see____ > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mpls/y7FTc38ysVf6PyJlA04MEFSN9nc > ) > in____ > > another thread. ____ > > __ __ > > IMHO, the indulgence towards such behavior of copying____ > > ideas of existing drafts with word tricks would seriously trample____ > > underfoot the fairness and justice of the IETF culture. At least, it > would____ > > badly damage the interest and enthusiasm of IETF participants, > especially____ > > newcomers and non-native speakers of English.____ > > __ __ > > Best regards,____ > > Xiaohu____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > *From: *mpls > > on behalf of Stewart Bryant > > *Date: *Friday, April 13, 2018 at 3:10 AM > *To: *"徐小虎(义先)" > > *Cc: *"mpls@ietf.org " >, mpls >, Robert Raszuk >, "sfc@ietf.org " > > > *Subject: *Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > On 13/04/2018 08:23, 徐小虎(义先) wrote:____ > > Hi Stewart,____ > > __ __ > > Thanks for your response. For the SR-based SFC mechanism that > has been described in draft-xuclad*, it's not helpful to > describe it again in another draft. The most simple and > efficient way to address the overlapping issue is to reference > draft-xuclad* rather than "using a different name > for the same thing". I'm looking forward to seeing the revision > of draft-farrel* that would address the overlapping issue > concretely.____ > > > Please read what I said. > > There are subtle but important technical differences between the two > approaches. > > - Stewart > > > ____ > > > > ____ > > If co-authors of draft-farrel* believed the current text as > described in draft-xuclad* is not good enough or misses > something important, any comments and suggestions are more than > welcome.____ > > > I will send you some text to include in draft-xuclad that points to > the important differences in the approach taken in draft-farrel. > This will clarify the issue to the reader. > > I hope that this is an acceptable resolution of this issue. > > - Stewart > > > > ____ > > > > ____ > > Best regards,____ > > Xiaohu____ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------____ > > Stewart Bryant > ____ > > 2018年4月13日(星期五) 13:27____ > > 徐小虎(义先) > ____ > > mpls ; > "Bernier, Daniel" > ; > Robert Raszuk ; > mpls@ietf.org; > sfc@ietf.org____ > > Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc____ > > __ __ > > Hi Xiaohu ____ > > __ __ > > What an earlier version of the draft said is of no > importance. What it says going forward is what counts.____ > > __ __ > > Perhaps the way to address your concern is to include some > text of the form that I used in my email of yesterday to > describe to the reader the difference in approach. This is > consistent with earlier advice in this discussion to > reference the work from which this forked.____ > > __ __ > > - Stewart____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > Sent from my iPad____ > > > On 13 Apr 2018, at 03:35, 徐小虎(义先) > > > wrote:____ > > Hi Stewart,____ > > __ __ > > If draft-farrel* was just describing an MPLS-based SFC > technology that is different from the MPLS-SR-based SFC > technology that has been described in draft-xuclad*, that > would be fine. However, draft-farrel* also described the > technology that has been described in draft-xuclad* (see > section 6) by "using a different name for the same thing". > Note that the title of section 6 in those pervious versions > of draft-farrel* is ____ > > "MPLS Segment Routing". One co-author of draft-farrel* said > they worked very hard to change the "Segment Routing" term > to "label stack" term in the new version of draft-farrel* in > order to deal with the overlapping issue. However, such > change is just "using a different name for the same thing", > and it doesn't solve the overlapping issue at all, as had > been pointed out by many people. As said by one co-author of > draft-farrel*, in a thread which is irrelavant to this > overlapping issue, "using a different > name for the same thing is not so clever:)". In fact, it > would cause unneccessary confusions to implementors by > describing the same technology within different drafts. More > badly, it would set a bad precedant in the IETF of copying > the idea of the existing draft by > "using a different name for the same thing".____ > > > > ____ > > Best regards,____ > > Xiaohu____ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------____ > > Stewart Bryant > >____ > > 2018年4月12日(星期四) 23:04____ > > "Bernier, Daniel" > >; > Robert Raszuk >____ > > mpls@ietf.org>; > sfc@ietf.org>____ > > Re: [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc____ > > __ __ > > > Rather than have a process discussion, I think we should > go up a level > and better understand the technical differences between > the two drafts. > > draft-farrel-mpls-sfc describes the actions at a > hop in terms of a tuple > that mirrors the SFC approach that allows a short indication of > potentially re-entrant chains. In its simplest form it uses > a compact > MPLS stack to describe an arbitarily complex path that > is compatile with > simple edge routers which are often challenged in terms of > the number of > labels that they can push. > > draft-xu-clad-spring-sr-service-chaining unrolls the > path and explicitly > calls out each hop and each > function into the label stack. This results > in a much larger MPLS label stack that will challenge > some edge routers. > The way that we generally deal with imposition limits > is through the use > of binding-SIDs, which in the limiting case resolves to the > approach in > draft-farrel with the limitation that the position > on the path is > implicit in the label stack size rather than explicitly > specified by the SI. > > Mid-flight path changes (if such things are needed) is > clearly simpler > with draft-farrel. > > The short stack in draft-farrel comes at the cost of > greater network > forwarding stack, and the long stack is the price that > draft-xu-clad > pays for the reduction in forwarding state. > > The optimal design point between forwarding and > control plane state is > something that is dependent on many parameters, and is > dependent on many > network and operational > factors, so much so, that don't think it is wise > to rule either out of scope at this stage. > > The hybrid mode in section 6 of draft-farrel supports the > mixed mode in > section 7 of the draft. This allows the construction of > SFCs that are > the concatination of two or more compacted sub-chains. > This allows the > operator to deploy a solution > with the advantages of draft-farrel > together with some of the flexibility of draft-xu-clad. > > At this stage the two drafts are sufficienly different > that I think we > need to proceed with both at least to the point where we fully > understand the detailed consequences of the two > approachs and the > scenarios where each finds it's niche. > > After developing a better understanding the detail of > each design, their > control plane, and operational contexts and how > each maps to customer > network requirements, we can move the drafts to the > appropriate IETF > track. Such tracks may be anything from abandonment to > IETF standard for > one or both of these approaches. > > Meanwhile I think that we need to focus our efforts on a deeper > understanding of the technology and how each might > make the Internet > work better,  rather than spending effort on arguing > about IETF process. > > - Stewart > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls____ > > __ __ > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls____ > > __ __ > > > > ____ > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 2 05:11:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981F9120454; 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Wed, 02 May 2018 05:10:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:1f27:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2018 05:10:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <48af626d-bfae-3e11-39ec-a36fa2984d81@pi.nu> References: <2ac6b61d-3a38-1aaf-62ae-d923f1ad7468@pi.nu> <052998BB-B820-412C-8363-B3EB7551B299@nokia.com> <1522554645079.8864@bell.ca> <1522812352107.5966@bell.ca> <489a9667-f159-4607-5834-b4bacf64989c@gmail.com> <09337fcf-64c9-450c-8dbc-ba8330611fe4.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> <6EE25554-3714-4A75-896F-24CC89BAA807@gmail.com> <5dab5411-0b08-4bd4-86ec-752e1803c3ff.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> <6bea41f6-5519-f512-92e5-a72bbd6187da@gmail.com> <48af626d-bfae-3e11-39ec-a36fa2984d81@pi.nu> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 08:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "mpls@ietf.org" , SPRING WG List , mpls , "sfc@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] [sfc] Working Group adoption of draft-farrel-mpls-sfc X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 12:10:49 -0000 --000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Loa, Thanks for the update, much appreciated. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Andy, > > The chairs of the SPRING and MPLS wg has discussed the proposal to > adopt draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining in the MPLS wg. > Our agreement is that draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining > belongs in the SPRING wg. > > /Loa > for the SPRING and MPLS wg co-chairs > > On 2018-04-15 16:55, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> Zafar, et al, >> >> Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both >> drafts, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to best >> determine the technical details going forward, and how best to document >> them. That way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG. >> >> Cheers, >> Andy >> >> --000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

Thanks for the update, much apprec= iated.

Cheers,
Andy

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:22 AM, = Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
A= ndy,

The chairs of the SPRING and MPLS wg has discussed the proposal to
adopt draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining in the MPLS wg.
Our agreement is that draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining
belongs in the SPRING wg.

/Loa
for the SPRING and MPLS wg co-chairs

On 2018-04-15 16:55, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
Zafar, et al,

Perhaps the fairest to all concerned is for the MPLS WG to adopt both draft= s, and then it will be up to the WG (rather than the authors) to best deter= mine the technical details going forward, and how best to document them. Th= at way the work becomes the consensus product of the WG.

Cheers,
Andy

--000000000000f58a48056b37f9a3-- From nobody Wed May 2 06:01:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC76126DCA; Wed, 2 May 2018 06:01:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZBxSBBY8gg4; Wed, 2 May 2018 06:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot0-x22a.google.com (mail-ot0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F4158126D05; Wed, 2 May 2018 06:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l22-v6so16461880otj.0; Wed, 02 May 2018 06:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=n5rwujTtKbJc2Z5KeLwX4a9h57ROX+ENVte/odneXdA=; b=jVfHKWKUhipK4PRSnlbhxkpJW3B7bQG0p+TdfRKoUXS3pbdRbWGI3XKxm36okvqWCx diMYZAQ/smLZkKo6b/j1OEe8i+QT9OMfTeWJCmHYM+RTcEgZzT2NUJ4Dpx3rpfuRnxPz qJhwLuIo1lX9tyvwjF8tD40xqil9jzPBNIcV2T/aLbWO9MRAtAXcTc6J6THQ0XOTURpm npMwAYU6W3DE1S6DZz4NwTc9a85Uq/bdl6vmy1np387HS+3gdyTjsyY2tvjFzBourGVC 3Ro+dtFbAvFhDUZQJDW7SLvABGGxvl/USNcoLMDM6l80BbAjMtBP8ZbIDmFJZMJANs2w foJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=n5rwujTtKbJc2Z5KeLwX4a9h57ROX+ENVte/odneXdA=; b=lW6fc1gOXf2TYShRvlWcxRHFMuJo3l1ZoHccn4Vq1fy626Q7fajL/mQZGtESqEYfUx seS0QqFg8fegDlJolrKEs7Hra+UjIp2mKtffTITbtJguOy2pB225G+AOAPZCMdDZk8kD ujaf0YZtzBoYIu0ld/AoDSJFjbIV+jjxN0M9STwQ4eBcVd7YJgCDqklakH2zSqWYbUf3 PFEa2x3Y02boKDN3s/Vh6NjwJ+hZ7ee/T0ossLj0Q7r1huKffCPEeOGMOhjbuvKbSFWW mJ3FWit9zpkGiFoI6MU4vQfCY/pFYbsW/zl+dK04dQ714Wf1XjP1uD5qPIE/h73SjU8Q D5MQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAMO83Z1IrBDsV9RmwBI6hGVwbuw2iGdfW2RYWsBnKAkf6kylXF HbDg/q5eYYk/tgJulDlPjXlqkKo7euql/g75m6E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrvqgtCkcXUsKD073SxLiPsfy84g5wUIR1x+SIt/ukxquurc+suuSMV6XOyq8IU6Ga9lwiAjJEqmFZz3idA7SU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:26e2:: with SMTP id i31-v6mr12828039otd.27.1525266095629; Wed, 02 May 2018 06:01:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:1f27:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2018 06:01:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 09:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d169ad056b38af9f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 13:01:39 -0000 --000000000000d169ad056b38af9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loa, There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support maki= ng this standards track. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-ent > ropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > --000000000000d169ad056b38af9f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loa,

There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119= language in the draft, so I support making this standards track.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44= AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time=
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v12-v6sm10283142wrm.68.2018.05.02.06.51.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 May 2018 06:51:31 -0700 (PDT) To: "Andrew G. Malis" , Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:51:30 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7B0C195818E0C6D7EF509066" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 13:51:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7B0C195818E0C6D7EF509066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Be careful. There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft. So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour. - Stewart On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Loa, > > There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support making > this standards track. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson > wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we > should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you > support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson                        email: loa@pi.nu > > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------7B0C195818E0C6D7EF509066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Be careful.

There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft.

So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour.

- Stewart


On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote:
Loa,

There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support making this standards track.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make
the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
--


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Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64

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tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1cGzGzsNEfQ; Wed, 2 May 2018 07:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FF66120726; Wed, 2 May 2018 07:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (81-236-221-144-no93.tbcn.telia.com [81.236.221.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF8BA1801590; Wed, 2 May 2018 16:58:46 +0200 (CEST) To: Eric Gray , Stewart Bryant , "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5F0DE@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5F2F2@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <74cf7d87-f5e4-8a14-0506-45313edf8943@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 16:58:46 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5F2F2@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 14:58:52 -0000 Eric, Stewart, wg, Wouldn't just a few words in the draft saying something along the lines "This document should not be interpreted in such a way that the ECMP behavior is limited to rely on EL only." Go a long way to clarify Stewart's concerns? /Loa On 2018-05-02 16:52, Eric Gray wrote: > Stewart, et al, > >                 Loa just pointed out that I made a typo in the original > mail below.  In the second paragraph, I meant to say: > >                 “Explicitly limiting ECMP behavior to …” > > -- > > Eric > > *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Eric Gray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis > ; Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Stewart, > >                 At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is > that it _/adds/_ entropy to the process of path selection. > >                 Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on > use of the entropy label would also explicitly _/limit/_ the total > entropy to whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label > was implemented to treat as _/sufficient/_ among all paths in the ECMP > gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not know > about. > >                 I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer > to would have arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label – by > itself – provides sufficient entropy. > >                 It might make sense to impose this restriction – > optionally – when a deployment occurs in which any particular > pathological behavior might be expected to occur. > >                 In that case, it might be very important to ensure that > the limited approaches available for maximizing efficient load > distribution via explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are > acceptable to a reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for > at least one of those approaches would then become a mandatory part of > every standard implementation. > >                 Even so, I don’t believe it is a good idea to restrict > implementations from using other approaches in every case. > >                 The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big > problem) is one where the entropy labels provided have N possible > values  and there are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where > this occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used. > > -- > > Eric > > *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM > *To:* Andrew G. Malis >; > Loa Andersson > > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org ; spring@ietf.org > ; mpls-ads@ietf.org ; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Be careful. > > There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different > parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole > source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly > standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to > update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because > that solves a number of problems, particularly in network > instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an > artefact of this draft. > > So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or > it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the > sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we > need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an > RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour. > > - Stewart > > On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > Loa, > > There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support > making this standards track. > > Cheers, > > Andy > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson > wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a > long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document > that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we > should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be > Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you > support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an > update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson                        email: loa@pi.nu > > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting             phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed May 2 08:04:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC095120726; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYl6Zgke407X; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com (mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com [208.84.65.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16AFA12025C; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0108156.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w42F08cc004025; Wed, 2 May 2018 08:03:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juniper.net; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version; s=PPS1017; bh=vi0ex4IRlXWlTbyD8A92YumfY96j9krmNVYZSS2H0LI=; b=rIFAS+IzgXqP06n0T73o0gbrsFeWfz0rItUFHottcAnpa5pnCsonuYLkX2YIVGGoc1kN 7Ect3ljSy9XlTAUfnzVzJZ/bDmIv7gAH2ca15TzZH/JdMzZb5zFDw8dp9c/peR6IaZPt yaftJjM9aUFRADAgnPCy9wAa4FE+viom2DeXVOy7FoDhnGmfiPvgLn50ca+oP9Oou8jR vvpK2bv+I5oTU/2M6RJv6vAOF0XAdRiM5nJD6o6xQxseA8cfvVQbv0qojxZbPy4mg/vB n0ubsDBICZNiJn738QsztkEqCuvFVsHBH3o+ZyKDzhSHNTaSQqdPlPBVcjv4S4epx3Up BA== Received: from nam03-co1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam03lp0023.outbound.protection.outlook.com [216.32.181.23]) by mx0a-00273201.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2hqffu80m7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 02 May 2018 08:03:50 -0700 Received: from CO2PR0501MB902.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.247.17) by CO2PR0501MB1013.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.160.10.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.755.10; Wed, 2 May 2018 15:03:48 +0000 Received: from CO2PR0501MB902.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::44e0:9e82:f58c:2fb7]) by CO2PR0501MB902.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::44e0:9e82:f58c:2fb7%6]) with mapi id 15.20.0735.006; Wed, 2 May 2018 15:03:48 +0000 From: John E Drake To: Eric Gray , Stewart Bryant , "Andrew G. 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DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=b+HTCJcmHiv7XRB+Qvd4uRJOvujCz5Yd+evVkVdSiYg=; b=NAvcnWqR9AdCE7NZLT5FUTQA/lVucN74x48ivFJHcVQ37kXfmCFd9SDWlHlWw2OgPW elDlCjtF2SrnIpfBVHYXmP3ALFdZrnf8F0q3DU463+eOPCdKi0OYJHgIB2mD0vaTN379 jgdr8EqyQ+ymK2WryoQiGcSIzBN5lKfsBBlaW3IXIMqsLfJhSokRLZMJfDkrRrHPRvpC jXQ0WsXCzlceC5FMV4eYGY7oJBNud4/ZKCUi/HOKGLyjALvgi8rGqGRuvcrGXbrapp1b kpYJj2c2jULtKoP5nEtU+j5b1vATRdSyvehcrI9o7g8xQTxDqBhDbxGeRXeTxIgBpYsN d5Gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=b+HTCJcmHiv7XRB+Qvd4uRJOvujCz5Yd+evVkVdSiYg=; b=gsrglSwg06ncjz4tnivlVfKHdFS6Rjk5wsASKECqvA19I3yFSQKAAL9cR0XeMlVDo5 IzOT+Ar89zua52sikaYqK2bLvF9NJb54DJVOWZVfxnmtoDSlUz9QCWXgotrF78KaAbIh LICDenaNrpMN/dc+W7yMf09bg0xpZQ8B+nC28mqy2CQsXfiIQYV+Ri5YkJUw5WT+30ay 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Malis" , Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006acb31056b3a8f01" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 15:15:49 -0000 --0000000000006acb31056b3a8f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with adding such a statement here if this document should be standards track. It's not clear to me that such an implication is intended by the draft. r. On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:04 AM John E Drake wrote: > Stewart, > > > > Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn > door after the horse has bolted. > > > > Yours Irrespectively, > > > > John > > > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Eric Gray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis < > agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson > > > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [spring] [mpls] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standar= ds > track? > > > > Stewart, > > > > At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is > that it _*adds*_ entropy to the process of path selection. > > > > Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on us= e > of the entropy label would also explicitly _*limit*_ the total entropy to > whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label was implement= ed > to treat as _*sufficient*_ among all paths in the ECMP gestalt, possibly > including branches that implementation might not know about. > > > > I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to > would have arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label =E2=80= =93 by > itself =E2=80=93 provides sufficient entropy. > > > > It might make sense to impose this restriction =E2=80=93 > optionally =E2=80=93 when a deployment occurs in which any particular pat= hological > behavior might be expected to occur. > > > > In that case, it might be very important to ensure that > the limited approaches available for maximizing efficient load distributi= on > via explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a > reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one of > those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard > implementation. > > > > Even so, I don=E2=80=99t believe it is a good idea to res= trict > implementations from using other approaches in every case. > > > > The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big > problem) is one where the entropy labels provided have N possible values > and there are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this > occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used. > > > > -- > > Eric > > > > *From:* mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM > *To:* Andrew G. Malis ; Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standar= ds > track? > > > > Be careful. > > There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different > parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole > source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly > standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to updat= e > the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solv= es > a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we nee= d > to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft. > > So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or > it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the so= le > source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need t= o > do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that > specifies the stricter EL behaviour. > > - Stewart > > > > On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > Loa, > > > > There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support ma= king this > standards track. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08= -rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --0000000000006acb31056b3a8f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spri= ng-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 At= least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is that it _adds_= entropy to the process of path selection.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ex= plicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on use of the entropy lab= el would also explicitly _limit_ the total entropy to whatever the i= mplementation that provided the entropy label was implemented to treat as _sufficient_ among all paths in t= he ECMP gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not = know about.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I = doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to would have arisen if= folks generally felt that the entropy label =E2=80=93 by itself =E2=80=93 = provides sufficient entropy.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It= might make sense to impose this restriction =E2=80=93 optionally =E2=80=93= when a deployment occurs in which any particular pathological behavior mig= ht be expected to occur.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In= that case, it might be very important to ensure that the limited approache= s available for maximizing efficient load distribution via explicit and exc= lusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one o= f those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard imp= lementation.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ev= en so, I don=E2=80=99t believe it is a good idea to restrict implementation= s from using other approaches in every case.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Th= e simplest example possible (where doing so is a big problem) is one where = the entropy labels provided have N possible values=C2=A0 and there are M po= ssible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used.

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From:= mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM
To: Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org= ; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-l= abel be published as a RFC on the standards track?

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Be careful.

There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different = parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole sou= rce of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing= that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of e= ntropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network i= nstrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of= this draft.

So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or= it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sol= e source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need t= o do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behavi= our.

- Stewart

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On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote:

Loa,

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There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the d= raft, so I support making this standards track.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time=
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-c= eccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

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X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 15:50:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B93DCEEBDDB051BD45AC841F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, yes and no. Presumably routers know what they are load balancing on and can report that to the control & management plane, a path can be chosen that explicitly takes a path based on the desired behaviour. Also presumably if there is a need, the ECMP behaviour could be modified to only use the EL. My big concern is that there are a number of instrumentation (and maybe path construction) cases where we really would like to see EL only ECMP. - Stewart On 02/05/2018 16:03, John E Drake wrote: > > Stewart, > > Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn > door after the horse has bolted. > > Yours Irrespectively, > > John > > *From:*spring *On Behalf Of *Eric Gray > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM > *To:* Stewart Bryant ; Andrew G. Malis > ; Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [spring] [mpls] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Stewart, > > At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is that it > _/adds/_ entropy to the process of path selection. > > Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on use of the > entropy label would also explicitly _/limit/_ the total entropy to > whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label was > implemented to treat as _/sufficient/_ among all paths in the ECMP > gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not > know about. > > I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to would have > arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label – by itself – > provides sufficient entropy. > > It might make sense to impose this restriction – optionally – when a > deployment occurs in which any particular pathological behavior might > be expected to occur. > > In that case, it might be very important to ensure that the limited > approaches available for maximizing efficient load distribution via > explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a > reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one of > those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard > implementation. > > Even so, I don’t believe it is a good idea to restrict implementations > from using other approaches in every case. > > The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big problem) is one > where the entropy labels provided have N possible values  and there > are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this occurs, > M-N paths simply will not be used. > > -- > > Eric > > *From:*mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Stewart Bryant > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM > *To:* Andrew G. Malis >; > Loa Andersson > > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org ; spring@ietf.org > ; mpls-ads@ietf.org > ; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] [spring] should > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the > standards track? > > Be careful. > > There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in > different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL > is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be > implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we > need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, > because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network > instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an > artefact of this draft. > > So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, > or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is > the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I > think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative > reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour. > > - Stewart > > On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > Loa, > > There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support > making this standards track. > > Cheers, > > Andy > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson > wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that > draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards > Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a > long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we > were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an > Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document > that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we > should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be > Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document > then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC > 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If > you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an > update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( > mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson         email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting        phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > spring mailing list > > spring@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > --------------B93DCEEBDDB051BD45AC841F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Well, yes and no.

Presumably routers know what they are load balancing on and can report that to the control & management plane, a path can be chosen that explicitly takes a path based on the desired behaviour.

Also presumably if there is a need, the ECMP behaviour could be modified to only use the EL.

My big concern is that there are a number of instrumentation (and maybe path construction) cases where we really would like to see EL only ECMP.

- Stewart


On 02/05/2018 16:03, John E Drake wrote:

Stewart,

 

Realistically, I think your proposal is an example of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

 

Yours Irrespectively,

 

John

 

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Gray
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 10:28 AM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

 

Stewart,

 

                At least one view of the purpose of an Entropy label is that it _adds_ entropy to the process of path selection.

 

                Explicitly limiting EL behavior to rely exclusively on use of the entropy label would also explicitly _limit_ the total entropy to whatever the implementation that provided the entropy label was implemented to treat as _sufficient_ among all paths in the ECMP gestalt, possibly including branches that implementation might not know about.

 

                I doubt very much that many of the problems you refer to would have arisen if folks generally felt that the entropy label – by itself – provides sufficient entropy.

 

                It might make sense to impose this restriction – optionally – when a deployment occurs in which any particular pathological behavior might be expected to occur.

 

                In that case, it might be very important to ensure that the limited approaches available for maximizing efficient load distribution via explicit and exclusive use of the entropy label are acceptable to a reasonably diverse set of implementers, as support for at least one of those approaches would then become a mandatory part of every standard implementation.

 

                Even so, I don’t believe it is a good idea to restrict implementations from using other approaches in every case.

 

                The simplest example possible (where doing so is a big problem) is one where the entropy labels provided have N possible values  and there are M possible paths, where M>N. In any scenario where this occurs, M-N paths simply will not be used.

 

--

Eric

 

From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:52 AM
To: Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] [spring] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

 

Be careful.

There is text in the draft that talks about ECMP behaviour in different parts of the path, which implies an expectation that the EL is the sole source of entropy. If we make this ST then we will be implicitly standardizing that behaviour. Now as it happens, I thing we need to update the EL behaviour to make it the sole source of entropy, because that solves a number of problems, particularly in network instrumentation, but we need to do that explicitly and not as an artefact of this draft.

So the way I see it, either this draft is published as informational, or it is published as ST without any text that implies that the EL is the sole source of entropy, or we harden the EL behaviour (which I think we need to do) and this draft is published with a normative reference to an RFC that specifies the stricter EL behaviour.

- Stewart

 

On 02/05/2018 14:01, Andrew G. Malis wrote:

Loa,

 

There’s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support making this standards track.

 

Cheers,

Andy

 

 

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make
the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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Malis" , Loa Andersson CC: "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? 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In-Reply-To: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5FDB4@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> References: <48E1A67CB9CA044EADFEAB87D814BFF64BA5FDB4@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:59:44 -0400 Message-ID: To: Eric Gray Cc: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000daf417056b3db128" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 19:00:12 -0000 --000000000000daf417056b3db128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, That=E2=80=99s a fair point, and a matter of interpretation of the draft. I= t would be more obvious that standards track was necessary if the draft defined new message formats or TLVs on the wire, or if any requests were being made of IANA. Neither is the case in this draft. However, there is quite a bit of RFC 2119 language. That means that interoperability requirements are being made of implementers of a draft/RFC. An implementation MUST do the =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9Ds, and so on= , if they want to play nicely with other implementations. Informational status is great for documents like architectures, problem statements, or to document how a particular vendor or operator did something interesting. However, right in the abstract, this draft says =E2=80=9CThis document examines and describes how ELs are to be applied to = Segment Routing MPLS.=E2=80=9D That, in combination with the RFC 2119 language, sou= nds very standards tracky, rather than informational, to me. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Eric Gray wrote: > Andy, > > > > Don=E2=80=99t you feel that this is just a bit of a flip > observation? > > > > Personally I agree that RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80= =9D and even a > reference to RFC 2119 itself seems inappropriate in an =E2=80=9CFYI=E2=80= =9D RFC. > > > > But I have been over-ridden on that before. > > > > I have to say, however that making something a standards > track document _*because*_ it has RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D in = it is a tad > extreme. > > > > Know another RFC that has a lot of RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clang= uage=E2=80=9D in > it that is not a standards track RFC? RFC 2119=E2=80=A6 > > > > =F0=9F=98=8A > > > > -- > > Eric > > > > *From:* mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew G. Mali= s > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:01 AM > *To:* Loa Andersson > *Cc:* mpls@ietf.org; spring@ietf.org; mpls-ads@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be > published as a RFC on the standards track? > > > > Loa, > > > > There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the draft, so I support ma= king this > standards track. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring- > entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu > Senior MPLS Expert > Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > --000000000000daf417056b3db128 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Eric,

That=E2=80=99s a fair point, and = a matter of interpretation of the draft. It would be more obvious that stan= dards track was necessary if the draft defined new message formats or TLVs = on the wire, or if any requests were being made of IANA. Neither is the cas= e in this draft.

However, there is quite a bit of RF= C 2119 language. That means that interoperability requirements are being ma= de of implementers of a draft/RFC. An implementation MUST do the =E2=80=9CM= UST=E2=80=9Ds, and so on, if they want to play nicely with other implementa= tions.

Informational status is great for doc= uments like architectures, problem statements, or to document how a particu= lar vendor or operator did something interesting. However, right in the abs= tract, this draft says =E2=80=9CThis document examines and describes how EL= s are to be applied to Segment Routing MPLS.=E2=80=9D That, in combination = with the RFC 2119 language, sounds very standards tracky, rather than infor= mational, to me.

Cheers,
Andy
=

O= n Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com&= gt; wrote:

Andy,

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t you feel that this is= just a bit of a flip observation?

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Personally I agree that RFC 2119 = =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D and even a reference to RFC 2119 itself seems in= appropriate in an =E2=80=9CFYI=E2=80=9D RFC.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But I have been over-ridden on that= before.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have to say, however that making = something a standards track document _because_ it has RFC 2119 =E2= =80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D in it is a tad extreme.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Know another RFC that has a lot of = RFC 2119 =E2=80=9Clanguage=E2=80=9D in it that is not a standards track RFC= ?=C2=A0 RFC 2119=E2=80=A6

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =F0=9F=98=8A

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Eric

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From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew G. Malis
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 9:01 AM
To: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Cc: mpls@ietf.org= ; spring@ietf.org<= /a>; mpls-ads@ietf.o= rg; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [mpls] should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entrop= y-label be published as a RFC on the standards track?

=C2=A0

Loa,

=C2=A0

There=E2=80=99s plenty of RFC 2119 language in the d= raft, so I support making this standards track.

=C2=A0

Cheers,

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:44 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

Working Group,

February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC.

During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the
document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track
has been raised.

The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time=
ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the
document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were
convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational
document.

It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we
now would like to request input from the working group if we should make the document a Standards Track RFC.

Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at:
https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgd= ir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/

All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational
or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review.

If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we
also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790.

This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have
support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support
placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to
RFC 6790.

Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ).

/Loa
for the mpls wf co-chairs

PS

I'm copying the spring working group on this mail.
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Senior MPLS Expert
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2018 10:16:03 +0200 (CEST) To: bruno.decraene@orange.com, SPRING WG List , Rob Shakir References: <24807_1525332085_5AEAB875_24807_350_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A38546@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Martin Horneffer Message-ID: <2b4a8720-5a4d-a14b-2ad0-404ed7373945@nic.dtag.de> Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 10:16:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24807_1525332085_5AEAB875_24807_350_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A38546@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 08:16:10 -0000 Dear chairs and group, may I ask about the status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05? With the rechartering discussion I got the impression that nobody was doubting that this work belongs in the SPRING wg. Would it be ready for a wg adoption call now? Best regards, Martin Am 03.05.18 um 09:21 schrieb bruno.decraene@orange.com: > > Hi Xiaohu, > > We’d like to first clarify the content of the new charter. > > Best regards, > > --Bruno > > *From:*spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *???(??) > *Sent:* Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:07 AM > *To:* ???(??); SPRING WG List > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for > draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01 > > Hi SPRING WG co-chairs, > > I wonder what the current status of this WG adoption request. > > Best regards, > > Xiaohu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From:徐小虎(义先) > > > Send Time:2018年4月4日(星期三) 09:45 > > To:SPRING WG List > > > Cc:sfc@ietf.org > > > Subject:Request WG adoption for > draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01 > > Hi SPRING WG co-chairs, > > We authors believe this draft > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01) > has been stable enough and therefore we would like to request a WG > adoption call for it. > > We believe this work belongs to SPRING WG since the concept of > service segment has been mentioned in the Segment Routing > architecture from day one and the approaches as described in this > draft are exactly to leverage the stateless source routing > capability of segment routing to achieve a stateless SFC. To some > extent, SFC can be looked as a special case of source routing as > it requires the selected traffic to traverse an ordered list of > service nodes. > > We believe the SFC WG review is still needed after the adoption > since we still hope to reuse the NSH for some special purposes > (e.g., use it as a metadata container). > > BTW, implementations based on this draft have existed, as noted in > section 8 of the draft. > > Best regards, > > Xiaohu (on behalf of coauthors) > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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Hello SPRING chairs,


When do you think this clarification of the charter might have progresse= d enough to provide an update on the WG adoption of draft-xuclad-spriong-sr= -service-chaining ?

Knowing that MPLS WG and SPRING WG chairs have agreed that draft-xuclad-= spring-sr-service-chaining should remain in SPRING


Cheers,


- Dan B

From: spring <spring-bo= unces@ietf.org> on behalf of bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.decraen= e@orange.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:21 AM
To: =D0=EC=D0=A1=BB=A2(=D2=E5=CF=C8); SPRING WG List
Subject: Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for draft-xuclad-spring-sr= -service-chaining-01
 

Hi Xiaohu,

 

We=A1=AFd l= ike to first clarify the content of the new charter.

 

Best regard= s,

--Bruno

 

 

From: spring= [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ???(??)
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:07 AM
To: ???(??); SPRING WG List
Subject: Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for draft-xuclad-spring-sr= -service-chaining-01

 

 

Hi SPRING WG co-chairs,

 

I wonder what the current = status of this WG adoption request.

 

Best regards,

Xiaohu

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From:=D0=EC=D0=A1=BB=A2(<= /span>= =D2=E5=CF=C8) <xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com<= span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-s= erif"; color:black" lang=3D"EN-US">>

Send Time:2018=C4=EA4=D4=C24=C8=D5(=D0=C7=C6=DA=C8=FD) 09:45

To:SPRING W= G List <spring@ietf.org>

Subject:Request WG adoptio= n for draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01

 

 

Hi SPRING WG co-chairs,

 

We authors believe this draft (http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01) has been stable enough and therefore we would like to request a WG ad= option call for it.

 

We believe this work belongs to SPRING WG since the concept o= f service segment has been mentioned in the Segment Routing architecture fr= om day one and the approaches as described in this draft are exactly to leverage the stateless source routing capabil= ity of segment routing to achieve a stateless SFC. To some extent, SFC can = be looked as a special case of source routing as it requires the selected t= raffic to traverse an ordered list of service nodes.

 

 

We believe the SFC WG review is still needed after the adopti= on since we still hope to reuse the NSH for some special purposes (e.g., us= e it as a metadata container). 

 

BTW, implementations based on this draft have existed, a= s noted in section 8 of the draft.

 

Best regards,

Xiaohu (on behalf of coauthors)

 

 

 

 

 

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[+Martin]<= o:p>

 

Hello Daniel,<= o:p>

 

Chairs have in= itiated the discussion of a proposed charter with our AD. At this stage, I = think that Martin would be in the best position to answer your question. However, the process may involve multiple persons and be it= erative so my guess is that proposing an ETA is difficult.

 

That being sai= d, charter update and WG adoption should not be seen as delaying the work.<= o:p>

Authors are en= couraged to keep working on the document and engage the discussion with the= WG.

 

Cheers,

--Bruno

 

From: Bernier, Daniel [mailto:daniel.bernier@bell.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 2:15 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; ???(??); SPRING WG List
Subject: Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for draft-xuclad-spring-sr= -service-chaining-01

 

Hello SPRING chairs,

 

When do you think this clarification of the charter might have p= rogressed enough to provide an update on the WG adoption of draft-xuclad-sp= riong-sr-service-chaining ?

Knowing that MPLS WG and SPRING WG chairs have agreed that draft= -xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining should remain in SPRING

 

Cheers,

 

- Dan B

From: spring <spr= ing-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of bruno.decraene@o= range.com <bruno.decrae= ne@orange.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 3:21 AM
To: =D0=EC=D0=A1=BB=A2(=D2=E5=CF=C8); SPRING WG List
Subject: Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for draft-xuclad-spring-sr= -service-chaining-01

 

Hi Xiaohu,=

 

We=A1=AFd lik= e to first clarify the content of the new charter.

 =

Best regards,=

--Bruno

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From: spring [mail= to:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ???(??)
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:07 AM
To: ???(??); SPRING WG List
Subject: Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for draft-xuclad-spring-sr= -service-chaining-01=

 

 

Hi SPRING WG co-chairs,

 

I wonder what the current st= atus of this WG adoption request.=

 

Best regards,

Xiaohu

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From:<= span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"MS Gothic&q= uot;;color:black">=D0=EC=D0=A1=BB=A2(=D2=E5=CF=C8) <xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com>

Send Time:2018=C4=EA4=D4=C24=C8=D5(=D0=C7=C6=DA=C8=FD) 09:45

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Cc:sfc@ietf.o= rg <sfc@ietf.org>

Subject:Request WG adoption = for draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01

 

 

Hi SPRING WG co-chairs,

 

We authors believe this draft (https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01) has been stable enough and therefore we would like to request a WG ad= option call for it.<= /p>

 

We believe this work belongs to SPRING WG since the concept of = service segment has been mentioned in the Segment Routing architecture from= day one and the approaches as described in this draft are exactly to leverage the stateless source routing capabil= ity of segment routing to achieve a stateless SFC. To some extent, SFC can = be looked as a special case of source routing as it requires the selected t= raffic to traverse an ordered list of service nodes.

 

 

We believe the SFC WG review is still needed after the adoption= since we still hope to reuse the NSH for some special purposes (e.g., use = it as a metadata container). 

 

BTW, implementations based on this draft have existed, as = noted in section 8 of the draft.<= /o:p>

 

Best regards,

Xiaohu (on behalf of coauthors)

 

 

 

 

  

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ALQs6tC7AWyHEuC6sjtzHLYx6IavHi+mtv3oYYOJG9nmBXVQ85gP3UBh y+wir8cx6GHVvfMbhqZr24ZxGLxDOf0Pyc6LBcXvFw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrlvUJkTESPMLZjsrPcD1/7rWOnXqlzNP7R9VOXnQEuN4X0y1NBcJt3cX0B0lE0YmE/XRYMWKqcgbE+eSAeMOw= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:ab82:: with SMTP id u124-v6mr21912315ioe.234.1525446591229; Fri, 04 May 2018 08:09:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <24807_1525332085_5AEAB875_24807_350_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A38546@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <2b4a8720-5a4d-a14b-2ad0-404ed7373945@nic.dtag.de> <4046_1525437576_5AEC5488_4046_128_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A3A394@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <4046_1525437576_5AEC5488_4046_128_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A3A394@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Rob Shakir Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 15:09:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: bruno.decraene@orange.com Cc: Martin Horneffer , SPRING WG List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003321ae056b62b687" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 15:09:57 -0000 --0000000000003321ae056b62b687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd echo Bruno's comments here, WG adoption should not delay this work. I would very much like to see some discussion amongst the working group of how we can scope the documents that are produced relating to SR-TE policy. It's an area with much interest, and (from the document) a number of different facets. Today, we have a 50 page RFC that touches on traffic steering, path calculation, counters/measurement, and use cases -- a discussion as to whether we need to have this all in one document, or whether there is a set of complimentary documents that the WG can develop which make this work more addressable (and prioritises core elements to reach stability) would be very welcome. It's also clear that with the number of contributors, this document has evolved over time -- some editorial work to unify the definitions of identification (e.g., there are multiple sections that discuss what can identify a policy - one simply saying a BSID cannot), and validity might be useful to improve readability and simplify reviews as we move this document into the WG. These are not concrete requests that must happen, but this document doesn't need to be WG adopted to discuss items such as this. Cheers, r. On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 5:39 AM wrote: > Dear Martin, > > Chairs have discussed this document and we are progressing toward WG > adoption call, pending two points which are underway. > That being said, I'm listed as a co-author of this document, so Rob has > the lead on this one. > > Again, charter update and WG adoption should not be seen as delaying the > work. > Authors are encouraged to keep working on the document and engage the > discussion with the WG. > > Best regards, > --Bruno > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Horneffer [mailto:maho@nic.dtag.de] > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 10:16 AM > > To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; SPRING WG List; Rob Shakir > > Subject: status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 > > > > Dear chairs and group, > > > > may I ask about the status of > > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05? > > > > With the rechartering discussion I got the impression that nobody was > > doubting that this work belongs in the SPRING wg. Would it be ready fo= r > > a wg adoption call now? > > > > Best regards, Martin > > > > > > Am 03.05.18 um 09:21 schrieb bruno.decraene@orange.com: > > > > > > Hi Xiaohu, > > > > > > We=E2=80=99d like to first clarify the content of the new charter. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > --Bruno > > > > > > *From:*spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *???(??= ) > > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:07 AM > > > *To:* ???(??); SPRING WG List > > > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for > > > draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01 > > > > > > Hi SPRING WG co-chairs, > > > > > > I wonder what the current status of this WG adoption request. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Xiaohu > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------= -- > > > > > > From:=E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4=B9=89=E5=85=88) > > > > > > > > > Send Time:2018=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=884=E6=97=A5(=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F= =E4=B8=89) 09:45 > > > > > > To:SPRING WG List > > > > > > > Cc:sfc@ietf.org > > > > > > > Subject:Request WG adoption for > > > draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01 > > > > > > Hi SPRING WG co-chairs, > > > > > > We authors believe this draft > > > ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01) > > > has been stable enough and therefore we would like to request a = WG > > > adoption call for it. > > > > > > We believe this work belongs to SPRING WG since the concept of > > > service segment has been mentioned in the Segment Routing > > > architecture from day one and the approaches as described in thi= s > > > draft are exactly to leverage the stateless source routing > > > capability of segment routing to achieve a stateless SFC. To som= e > > > extent, SFC can be looked as a special case of source routing as > > > it requires the selected traffic to traverse an ordered list of > > > service nodes. > > > > > > We believe the SFC WG review is still needed after the adoption > > > since we still hope to reuse the NSH for some special purposes > > > (e.g., use it as a metadata container). > > > > > > BTW, implementations based on this draft have existed, as noted = in > > > section 8 of the draft. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Xiaohu (on behalf of coauthors) > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= _______ > > _________________________________________ > > > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou > > privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I'd echo Bruno's comments here, WG adoption should= not delay this work.=C2=A0

I would very much like to se= e some discussion amongst the working group of how we can scope the documen= ts that are produced relating to SR-TE policy. It's an area with much i= nterest, and (from the document) a number of different facets. Today, we ha= ve a 50 page RFC that touches on traffic steering, path calculation, counte= rs/measurement, and use cases -- a discussion as to whether we need to have= this all in one document, or whether there is a set of complimentary docum= ents that the WG can develop which make this work more addressable (and pri= oritises core elements to reach stability) would be very welcome.

It's also clear that with the number of contributors, t= his document has evolved over time -- some editorial work to unify the defi= nitions of identification (e.g., there are multiple sections that discuss w= hat can identify a policy - one simply saying a BSID cannot), and validity = might be useful to improve readability and simplify reviews as we move this= document into the WG.

These are not concrete requ= ests that must happen, but this document doesn't need to be WG adopted = to discuss items such as this.

Cheers,
r= .

On Fri, May 4,= 2018 at 5:39 AM <bruno.dec= raene@orange.com> wrote:
Dea= r Martin,

Chairs have discussed this document and we are progressing toward WG adopti= on call, pending two points which are underway.
That being said, I'm listed as a co-author of this document, so Rob has= the lead on this one.

Again, charter update and WG adoption should not be seen as delaying the wo= rk.
Authors are encouraged to keep working on the document and engage the discu= ssion with the WG.

Best regards,
--Bruno

=C2=A0> -----Original Message-----
=C2=A0> From: Martin Horneffer [mailto:maho@nic.dtag.de]
=C2=A0> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 10:16 AM
=C2=A0> To: DECRAENE Bruno IMT/OLN; SPRING WG List; Rob Shakir
=C2=A0> Subject: status of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-= 05
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Dear chairs and group,
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> may I ask about the status of
=C2=A0> draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05?
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> With the rechartering discussion I got the impression that nobod= y was
=C2=A0> doubting that this work belongs in the SPRING wg. Would it be re= ady for
=C2=A0> a wg adoption call now?
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Best regards, Martin
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Am 03.05.18 um 09:21 schrieb bruno.decraene@orange.com:
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > Hi Xiaohu,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > We=E2=80=99d like to first clarify the content of the new c= harter.
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > Best regards,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > --Bruno
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > *From:*spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *???(??)=
=C2=A0> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 03, 2018 6:07 AM
=C2=A0> > *To:* ???(??); SPRING WG List
=C2=A0> > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Request WG adoption for
=C2=A0> > draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-01
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > Hi SPRING WG co-chairs,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > I wonder what the current status of this WG adoption reques= t.
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > Best regards,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > Xiaohu
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----------------------------------------= --------------------------
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From:=E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4=B9= =89=E5=85=88) <xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com>> =C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Send Time:2018=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=884=E6=97= =A5(=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=89) 09:45
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To:SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org <mailto:spring@ietf.org>> =C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cc:sfc@ietf.org <sfc@ietf.org <mailto:sfc@ietf.org>>
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject:Request WG adoption for
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-= 01
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi SPRING WG co-chairs,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We authors believe this draft
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuclad-spring-sr-service-chaining-0= 1)
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0has been stable enough and therefore we = would like to=C2=A0request a WG
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0adoption call for it.
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We believe this work belongs to SPRING W= G since the concept of
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0service segment has been mentioned in th= e Segment Routing
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0architecture from day one and the approa= ches as described in this
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft are exactly to leverage the statel= ess source routing
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0capability of segment routing to achieve= a stateless SFC. To some
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0extent, SFC can be looked as a special c= ase of source routing as
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it requires the selected traffic to trav= erse an ordered list of
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0service nodes.
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We believe the SFC WG review is still ne= eded after the adoption
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0since we still hope to reuse the NSH for= some special purposes
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(e.g., use it as a metadata container).<= br> =C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BTW,=C2=A0implementations based on this = draft have existed, as noted in
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0section 8 of the draft.
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Best regards,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Xiaohu (on behalf of coauthors)
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> ________________________________________________________________= ________________
=C2=A0> _________________________________________
=C2=A0> >
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=C2=A0> privilegiees et ne doivent donc
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Hi all,

 

After reading so= me threads that talk about the new charter, I would like to know the status= of rechartering.

 

Thanks!

Cheng Li

 

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So this is progressing. -m Le 2018-05-07 9:12, Chengli (IP Technology Research) a crit: > Hi all, > > After reading some threads that talk about the new charter, I would like > to know the status of rechartering. > > Thanks! > > Cheng Li > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > From nobody Mon May 7 11:58:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CBB512D95E; Mon, 7 May 2018 11:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=microsoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXgrvLZflDQL; Mon, 7 May 2018 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM02-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-sn1nam02on0100.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.36.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A076F12D95D; Mon, 7 May 2018 11:58:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=26y7K9xAeEnbkkzSrOOuOBuOUwZGXr4zx2EUMWqV/A0=; b=kFPXfk3XQpTFz3alBwKkH4ymqxrTx6IAzNphbc/6k3BlACgCCZ6CUeULiyrJDQnjJiV3GkvAJrFjUBsfha21wzGskgXqhII2lmTWdLygcAsB+mjp2REU44PfAvVmmWcmbIaNfugMvG0qhKXOBJCLYszBxcJhpI8P6zszd5rJwMY= Received: from DM5PR21MB0186.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (10.173.173.137) by DM5PR21MB0282.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (10.173.174.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.776.3; Mon, 7 May 2018 18:58:34 +0000 Received: from DM5PR21MB0186.namprd21.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::49fe:a57d:8899:a5ee]) by DM5PR21MB0186.namprd21.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::49fe:a57d:8899:a5ee%8]) with mapi id 15.20.0776.004; Mon, 7 May 2018 18:58:34 +0000 From: Paul Mattes To: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? 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X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 18:58:37 -0000 --_000_DM5PR21MB01861737975E5993D0D72223CA9B0DM5PR21MB0186namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello SPRING WG chairs - Would this be a good time to consider WG adoption of draft-filsfils-spring-= segment-routing-policy? It is part of the WG charter and is likely mature e= nough at this point. pdm --_000_DM5PR21MB01861737975E5993D0D72223CA9B0DM5PR21MB0186namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello SPRING WG chairs –

 

Would this be a good time to consider WG adoption of= draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? It is part of the WG charter= and is likely mature enough at this point.

 

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--_000_DM5PR21MB01861737975E5993D0D72223CA9B0DM5PR21MB0186namp_-- From nobody Mon May 7 12:06:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63A812D962 for ; Mon, 7 May 2018 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.71 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.71 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gh-jvD7XRT7Q for ; Mon, 7 May 2018 12:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x230.google.com (mail-it0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C04512778D for ; Mon, 7 May 2018 12:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x230.google.com with SMTP id y189-v6so7226223itb.2 for ; Mon, 07 May 2018 12:06:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6WdOAJcLo484bPCds0ylXKY2upqziRwIj5C2rfEHOb4=; b=UyhY7cY38+dxaIYtQtxxVwutAi22dOwsfZPBBiS6RMOxeawLU74P+ngOTpilIfOBNX h4G7iUTh4X14uNlfrlc7JSyAZACGcogtpXmUn08J1K06MnqPd296VquvuH2vgZolS8i5 93WEih+SHS2vfMxUyUSs6yuFHjASJjaVYX89nOlUpeSr0xbK1JUgKYclF0PomKK0r3Hh A27pvc6I5IPlUx2kZH+qPQK4OhVfrhYNbZswMhxyQRd+emauhMHcbWG7KrVgkgXYn2Xp 6c+j4/RWus+QAZs1VXR0Our9cmzTHZP10mCdhKiKtFJn2vh6w3PmXWrn7ats+qtPBmuo q6Tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6WdOAJcLo484bPCds0ylXKY2upqziRwIj5C2rfEHOb4=; b=cSRXjmPOvMJIz81SK2DgXqsZxkjloGSGvxLwR/Eq2uXirpJgoaIxUBYbHHwAMFmwVJ 9+WovrbDhzpqFyrJOHssTWf7tg1Ks/PIqGNc2zHzF1X8vMNebxxwrYh8vjSpf3rXOhNo HJdKebrSDB1yAtLzYt8d8ZFzSRs93LVMpFs2bv9miYnJoee8AM+nEPZyXko9TQg+dY16 omfk8OyoEo75H9bNE2s0hesYoAcMZNCteiR2CAHQ34uAGCzUKNGEv5mV9XsMF5lg96qW C0Aux1HlmTIHixqdJ+aXWnFQgZvEIkJVOsL7+SGhAmgxMw5YsC3Jj3Rdtc8bi6h8QQl9 UTBg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPweQZI+Y+RmCvXhYasbIMi5gCbAax+KuH3VUK+9CE26A4A1l5HpZ 5+g5VB/Fs9TVjIh9IKT25VuY4XpOSQ3+V5NO3/IAzA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZo58kG/q+g4hXwgyCaaHtkHqBPalhm1ZXaGsl7uCsHh0u6mY1zmoxmsXdcz9JUGYu316QBB0SU9ZWMe6l0/dok= X-Received: by 2002:a24:2e8f:: with SMTP id i137-v6mr2768090ita.124.1525719996359; Mon, 07 May 2018 12:06:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Shakir Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 19:06:24 +0000 Message-ID: To: Paul Mattes Cc: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069df27056ba25e90" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 19:06:39 -0000 --00000000000069df27056ba25e90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, We've had this question a few times on the list. As Bruno wrote here , we're moving towards WG adoption - based on discussions with Martin, and other WGs. In parallel, we're working with the IESG to update the charter. I'll repeat myself: I don't consider WG adoption blocking for discussions and clarifications in this document. I have a number of suggestions for this (see here ), it'd be great to see discussion on the mailing list of this (I haven't seen a response to this from the authors, or editors). Based on our discussions with other WGs, there are some further suggestions that will be sent as part of the WG adoption call. If there's a specific reason that we need to do this *immediately* - please do share it. I've had private discussions with the editors, and did not yet understand why this WG adoption call is blocking this work. Thank you, r. On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:58 AM Paul Mattes wrote: > Hello SPRING WG chairs =E2=80=93 > > > > Would this be a good time to consider WG adoption of > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? It is part of the WG charte= r > and is likely mature enough at this point. > > > > *pdm* > > > --00000000000069df27056ba25e90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks,

We've had this question a fe= w times on the list. As Bruno wrote here, we're moving towards = WG adoption - based on discussions with Martin, and other WGs. In parallel,= we're working with the IESG to update the charter.=C2=A0
I'll repeat myself: I don't consider WG adoption blocki= ng for discussions and clarifications in this document. I have a number of = suggestions for this (see here), it'd be great to see discussio= n on the mailing list of this (I haven't seen a response to this from t= he authors, or editors). Based on our discussions with other WGs, there are= some further suggestions that will be sent as part of the WG adoption call= .

If there's a specific reason that we need to= do this immediately=C2=A0- please do share it. I've had private= discussions with the editors, and did not yet understand why this WG adopt= ion call is blocking this work.

Thank you,
r.

On Mon, Ma= y 7, 2018 at 11:58 AM Paul Mattes <pamattes@microsoft.com> wrote:

Hello SPRING WG chairs =E2=80=93

=C2=A0

Would this be a good time to consider WG adoption of= draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? It is part of the WG charter= and is likely mature enough at this point.

=C2=A0

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SMTP id y138-v6mr39189697iod.272.1525751910054; Mon, 07 May 2018 20:58:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Shakir Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 03:58:19 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Zafar Ali (zali)" Cc: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009dc2e9056ba9cca2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 03:58:34 -0000 --0000000000009dc2e9056ba9cca2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Zafar -- that's great to hear. r. On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:36 PM Zafar Ali (zali) wrote: > Hi Rob, > > > > The authors of the draft are coordinating to address your comments and > will update the chairs and the WG, accordingly. > > > > Thanks > > > > Regards =E2=80=A6 Zafar > > > > *From: *spring on behalf of Rob Shakir < > robjs@google.com> > *Date: *Monday, May 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM > *To: *Paul Mattes > *Cc: *"bruno.decraene@orange.com" , " > spring@ietf.org" , "spring-chairs@ietf.org" < > spring-chairs@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [spring] WG adoption of > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? > > > > Folks, > > > > We've had this question a few times on the list. As Bruno wrote here > , > we're moving towards WG adoption - based on discussions with Martin, and > other WGs. In parallel, we're working with the IESG to update the charter= . > > > > I'll repeat myself: I don't consider WG adoption blocking for discussions > and clarifications in this document. I have a number of suggestions for > this (see here > ), > it'd be great to see discussion on the mailing list of this (I haven't se= en > a response to this from the authors, or editors). Based on our discussion= s > with other WGs, there are some further suggestions that will be sent as > part of the WG adoption call.. > > > > If there's a specific reason that we need to do this *immediately* - > please do share it. I've had private discussions with the editors, and di= d > not yet understand why this WG adoption call is blocking this work. > > > > Thank you, > > r. > > > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:58 AM Paul Mattes > wrote: > > Hello SPRING WG chairs =E2=80=93 > > > > Would this be a good time to consider WG adoption of > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? It is part of the WG charte= r > and is likely mature enough at this point. > > > > *pdm* > > > > --0000000000009dc2e9056ba9cca2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Zafar -- that's great to hear.

r.

On Mon, Ma= y 7, 2018 at 7:36 PM Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Rob,

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The authors of the draft are coordinating to address= your comments and will update the chairs and the WG, accordingly.

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Thanks

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Regards =E2=80=A6 Zafar

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From= : spring <spring-bounces@ietf.= org> on behalf of Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>
Date: Monday, May 7, 2018 at 3:06 PM
To: Paul Mattes <pamattes@microsoft.com>
Cc: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" <bruno.decraene@orange.com>, "<= a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf.org&quo= t; <spring@ietf.org= >, "spring-chairs@ietf.org" <spring-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG adoption of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-r= outing-policy?

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Folks,

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We've had this question a few times on the= list. As Bruno wrote here, we&#= 39;re moving towards WG adoption - based on discussions with Martin, and other WGs. In parallel= , we're working with the IESG to update the charter.=C2=A0

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I'll repeat myself: I don't consider W= G adoption blocking for discussions and clarifications in this document. I = have a number of suggestions for this (see here), it&= #39;d be great to see discussion on the mailing list of this (I haven't seen a respon= se to this from the authors, or editors). Based on our discussions with oth= er WGs, there are some further suggestions that will be sent as part of the= WG adoption call..

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If there's a specific reason that we need = to do this immediately=C2=A0- please do share it. I've had private discussi= ons with the editors, and did not yet understand why this WG adoption call = is blocking this work.

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Thank you,

r.

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On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 11:58 AM Paul Mattes &l= t;= pamattes@microsoft.com> wrote:

Hello SPRING WG chairs =E2=80=93=

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Would this be a good time to consider WG adopt= ion of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy? It is part of the WG c= harter and is likely mature enough at this point.

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How are you? I still have a couple of comments below=E2=80=A6but nothing that should hol= d up process at this point. I=E2=80=99ll start the IETF Last Call. Thanks! Alvaro. ... M2.1.2. "At least one SRMS MUST be present in the routing domain. Multiple SRMSs SHOULD be present for redundancy.=E2=80=9D These MUST|SHOUL= D seem to indicate a statement of fact. Again, from a specification point of view, what can be enforced? s/MUST|SHOULD/must|should. Note also that in 7.2 the text says that "Multiple SRMSs can be provisioned in a network for redundancy.=E2=80=9D, which seems to be the right thing (no Normative langu= age). #Ahmed I removed these two statements. Instead I modified the 3rd paragraph in Section 4.2 to indicate that there must be at least one SRMS server in the domain The modification of that 3rd paragraph now reads: "At least one SRMS server MUST exist in a routing domain=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D, which really just moved t= he issue I was pointing to from 4.2.1 to 4.2. As I asked before, how can that =E2=80=9CMU= ST=E2=80=9D be enforced? Note that the sentence following this new text says: "Multiple SRMSs may be present in the same network (for redundancy).=E2=80=9D I think that=E2=80= =99s the right way to express what is needed (no Normative language). M2.2. Section 7.2. says that "a preference mechanism may also be used among SRMSs so to deploy a primary/secondary SRMS scheme=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6but no = other details are included. This document is where the SRMS is first defined, so I would expect this detail to also be included here. I note that Section 3.1. (SID Preference) of draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution contains the preference specification. Please move that section to this document. Ahmed: agreed. But since section 7.2 is under the manageability consideration, IMO it should really not contain much specification. Instead, I modified section 4.2.2 specify how to prefer SRMS advertisements and removed section 7.2 completely. Section 7.2 in version 11 is section 7.3 in version 10 Ok. I see that some of the text came from =C2=A73.1 in draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution, but not all of that section made it =E2=80=94 specifically the part about the implicit preference values. Why? I didn=E2=80=99t check, but I=E2=80=99m assuming that the text that was mov= ed here is not also in draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls. Is that true? ... M4. Security Considerations. I tend to agree that this document doesn=E2= =80=99t introduce anything new=E2=80=A6but it does specify something different. Th= e base SR-related advertisement by an IGP is done for the segments belonging to the local node, but the SRMS lets a node (any node, multiple nodes) adverse any mapping (for nodes that may be anywhere in the network) which may result in conflicting advertisements (in the best case), or even false ones. Cryptographic authentication (any any other current security mechanisms in IGPs) only verify that the information was not changed, but it doesn=E2=80=99t validate the information itself, which can then lead to conflicting and or false advertisements, which could =E2=80=9Ccompromise tr= affic forwarding=E2=80=9D. You should at least recognize that the risk exists, e= ven if no specific mitigation (except maybe strict configuration/programmability control by the operator) can be mentioned. #Ahmed: Agreed. Added text to indicate what you mentioned Thanks for adding some text=E2=80=A6but I think you should still say more. = The risk is of course that a rogue router can inject any mapping it wants: logging, control, etc..help avoid mistakes, but it doesn=E2=80=99t help in = the case where the incorrect/false mapping is advertised on purpose. This last case is something I would like to see mentioned explicitly. ... P2. Please add References for "RSVP-TE, BGP 3107, VPNv4=E2=80=9D. BTW, no= te that rfc3107 has been obsoleted by rfc8277 =E2=80=94 you make references to =E2= =80=9CBGP3107=E2=80=9D routes/label. #Ahmed Removed VPNv4 and added references to the others I think that by "BGP [RFC8277]=E2=80=9D you really didn=E2=80=99t meant jus= t =E2=80=9CBGP=E2=80=9D, but =E2=80=9CBGP and Labeled Address Prefixes=E2=80=9D (or something like that)= . There are still 4 occurrences of =E2=80=9CBGP3107". --000000000000c9fc6e056be00cbb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
On April 11, 2= 018 at 10:22:46 PM, Ahmed Bashandy (abashandy.ietf@gmail.com) wrote:

=
Ahmed:

= Hi!=C2=A0 How are you?

I still have a couple of comments below= =E2=80=A6but nothing that should hold up process at this point.=C2=A0 I=E2= =80=99ll start the IETF Last Call.

=
Thanks!

Alvaro.

=
...
M2.1.2. "At least one SRMS MUST be present in= the routing domain.=C2=A0 Multiple=C2=A0SRMSs SHOULD be present for redund= ancy.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0These MUST|SHOULD seem to indicate a statement of fact= .=C2=A0 Again, from a specification point of view, what can be enforced? = =C2=A0s/MUST|SHOULD/must|should. Note also that in 7.2 the text says that &= quot;Multiple SRMSs can be provisioned in a network for redundancy.=E2=80= =9D, which seems to be the right thing (no Normative language).
=
#Ahmed
I removed these two statements. Instead I modified t= he 3rd paragraph in Section 4.2 to indicate that there must be at least one= SRMS server in the domain

The modification of that 3rd paragraph now reads: "A= t least one SRMS server MUST exist in a routing domain=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D, w= hich really just moved the issue I was pointing to from 4.2.1 to 4.2.=C2=A0= As I asked before, how can that =E2=80=9CMUST=E2=80=9D be enforced?=

Note that the sentence following this new t= ext says: "Multiple SRMSs may be present in the same network (for redu= ndancy).=E2=80=9D =C2=A0I think that=E2=80=99s the right way to express wha= t is needed (no Normative language).

=

=
M2.2. Section 7.2. says that "a preference mechanism may a= lso be used among SRMSs so to=C2=A0deploy a primary/secondary SRMS scheme= =E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6but no other details are included.=C2=A0 This document is= where the SRMS is first defined, so I would expect this detail to also be = included here.=C2=A0 I note that Section=C2=A03.1. (SID Preference) of=C2= =A0draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution contains the preference specificat= ion. Please move that section to this document.
Ahm= ed: agreed. But since section 7.2 is under the manageability consideration,= IMO it should really not contain much specification. Instead, I modified s= ection=C2=A0 4.2.2 specify how to prefer SRMS advertisements and removed se= ction 7.2 completely. Section 7.2 in version 11 is section 7.3 in version 1= 0

Ok.

I see that some of the text came from = =C2=A73.1 in draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution, but not all of that sec= tion made it =E2=80=94 specifically the part about the implicit preference = values.=C2=A0 Why?

I didn=E2=80=99t c= heck, but I=E2=80=99m assuming that the text that was moved here is not als= o in=C2=A0draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls.=C2=A0 Is that true?


...

=
M4. Security Considerations.=C2=A0 I tend to agree that this do= cument doesn=E2=80=99t introduce anything new=E2=80=A6but it does specify s= omething different.=C2=A0 The base SR-related advertisement by an IGP is do= ne for the segments belonging to the local node, but the SRMS lets a node (= any node, multiple nodes) adverse any mapping (for nodes that may be anywhe= re in the network) which may result in conflicting advertisements (in the b= est case), or even false ones.=C2=A0 Cryptographic authentication (any any = other current security mechanisms in IGPs) only verify that the information= was not changed, but it doesn=E2=80=99t validate the information itself, w= hich can then lead to conflicting and or false advertisements, which could = =E2=80=9Ccompromise traffic forwarding=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You should at least = recognize that the risk exists, even if no specific mitigation (except mayb= e strict configuration/programmability control by the operator) can be ment= ioned.
#Ahmed: Agreed. Added text to indicate what = you mentioned

Thanks for adding some text=E2=80=A6but I think you should still say m= ore.=C2=A0 The risk is of course that a rogue router can inject any mapping= it wants: logging, control, etc..help avoid mistakes, but it doesn=E2=80= =99t help in the case where the incorrect/false mapping is advertised on pu= rpose.=C2=A0 This last case is something I would like to see mentioned expl= icitly.


...

P2. Please add References for "RSVP-TE, BGP = 3107, VPNv4=E2=80=9D. =C2=A0 BTW, note that rfc3107 has been obsoleted by r= fc8277 =E2=80=94 you make references to =E2=80=9CBGP3107=E2=80=9D routes/la= bel.
#Ahmed Removed VPNv4 and added references to t= he others

I think that by "BGP [RFC8277]=E2=80=9D you really didn=E2=80=99t mea= nt just =E2=80=9CBGP=E2=80=9D, but =E2=80=9CBGP and Labeled Address Prefixe= s=E2=80=9D (or something like that).

= There are still 4 occurrences of =E2=80=9CBGP3107".

--000000000000c9fc6e056be00cbb-- From nobody Thu May 10 14:11:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1EA12D779; Thu, 10 May 2018 14:11:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: spring@ietf.org, spring-chairs@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, robjs@google.com, draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop@ietf.org, Rob Shakir Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <152598670709.10271.7633520636987110007.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 14:11:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Last Call: (Segment Routing interworking with LDP) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 21:11:47 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG (spring) to consider the following document: - 'Segment Routing interworking with LDP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-05-24. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract A Segment Routing (SR) node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node to the SR domain. The Segment Routing architecture can be directly applied to the MPLS data plane with no change in the forwarding plane. This document describes how Segment Routing operates in a network where LDP is deployed and in the case where SR-capable and non-SR-capable nodes coexist. 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> > I still have a couple of comments below…but nothing that should hold > up process at this point.  I’ll start the IETF Last Call. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > ... >>> M2.1.2. "At least one SRMS MUST be present in the routing domain.  >>> Multiple SRMSs SHOULD be present for redundancy.”  These MUST|SHOULD >>> seem to indicate a statement of fact.  Again, from a specification >>> point of view, what can be enforced?  s/MUST|SHOULD/must|should. >>> Note also that in 7.2 the text says that "Multiple SRMSs can be >>> provisioned in a network for redundancy.”, which seems to be the >>> right thing (no Normative language). >> #Ahmed >> I removed these two statements. Instead I modified the 3rd paragraph >> in Section 4.2 to indicate that there must be at least one SRMS >> server in the domain > > The modification of that 3rd paragraph now reads: "At least one SRMS > server MUST exist in a routing domain…”, which really just moved the > issue I was pointing to from 4.2.1 to 4.2.  As I asked before, how can > that “MUST” be enforced? > > Note that the sentence following this new text says: "Multiple SRMSs > may be present in the same network (for redundancy).”  I think that’s > the right way to express what is needed (no Normative language). > > >>> M2.2. Section 7.2. says that "a preference mechanism may also be >>> used among SRMSs so to deploy a primary/secondary SRMS scheme”…but >>> no other details are included.  This document is where the SRMS is >>> first defined, so I would expect this detail to also be included >>> here.  I note that Section 3.1. (SID Preference) >>> of draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution contains the preference >>> specification. Please move that section to this document. >> Ahmed: agreed. But since section 7.2 is under the manageability >> consideration, IMO it should really not contain much specification. >> Instead, I modified section  4.2.2 specify how to prefer SRMS >> advertisements and removed section 7.2 completely. Section 7.2 in >> version 11 is section 7.3 in version 10 > > Ok. > > I see that some of the text came from §3.1 in > draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution, but not all of that section > made it — specifically the part about the implicit preference values.  > Why? > > I didn’t check, but I’m assuming that the text that was moved here is > not also in draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls.  Is that true? > > > ... > >>> M4. Security Considerations.  I tend to agree that this document >>> doesn’t introduce anything new…but it does specify something >>> different. The base SR-related advertisement by an IGP is done for >>> the segments belonging to the local node, but the SRMS lets a node >>> (any node, multiple nodes) adverse any mapping (for nodes that may >>> be anywhere in the network) which may result in conflicting >>> advertisements (in the best case), or even false ones.  >>> Cryptographic authentication (any any other current security >>> mechanisms in IGPs) only verify that the information was not >>> changed, but it doesn’t validate the information itself, which can >>> then lead to conflicting and or false advertisements, which could >>> “compromise traffic forwarding”.  You should at least recognize that >>> the risk exists, even if no specific mitigation (except maybe strict >>> configuration/programmability control by the operator) can be mentioned. >> #Ahmed: Agreed. Added text to indicate what you mentioned > > Thanks for adding some text…but I think you should still say more.  > The risk is of course that a rogue router can inject any mapping it > wants: logging, control, etc..help avoid mistakes, but it doesn’t help > in the case where the incorrect/false mapping is advertised on > purpose.  This last case is something I would like to see mentioned > explicitly. > > > ... > >>> P2. Please add References for "RSVP-TE, BGP 3107, VPNv4”.   BTW, >>> note that rfc3107 has been obsoleted by rfc8277 — you make >>> references to “BGP3107” routes/label. >> #Ahmed Removed VPNv4 and added references to the others > > I think that by "BGP [RFC8277]” you really didn’t meant just “BGP”, > but “BGP and Labeled Address Prefixes” (or something like that). > > There are still 4 occurrences of “BGP3107". > --------------A32FF5F12722D766031D1137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks you very much

I will take care of the comments below in the next version that I plan to put out in next week

Ahmed

On 5/10/18 1:41 PM, Alvaro Retana wrote:
On April 11, 2018 at 10:22:46 PM, Ahmed Bashandy (abashandy.ietf@gmail.com) wrote:

Ahmed:

Hi!  How are you?

I still have a couple of comments below…but nothing that should hold up process at this point.  I’ll start the IETF Last Call.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

...
M2.1.2. "At least one SRMS MUST be present in the routing domain.  Multiple SRMSs SHOULD be present for redundancy.”  These MUST|SHOULD seem to indicate a statement of fact.  Again, from a specification point of view, what can be enforced?  s/MUST|SHOULD/must|should. Note also that in 7.2 the text says that "Multiple SRMSs can be provisioned in a network for redundancy.”, which seems to be the right thing (no Normative language).
#Ahmed
I removed these two statements. Instead I modified the 3rd paragraph in Section 4.2 to indicate that there must be at least one SRMS server in the domain

The modification of that 3rd paragraph now reads: "At least one SRMS server MUST exist in a routing domain…”, which really just moved the issue I was pointing to from 4.2.1 to 4.2.  As I asked before, how can that “MUST” be enforced?

Note that the sentence following this new text says: "Multiple SRMSs may be present in the same network (for redundancy).”  I think that’s the right way to express what is needed (no Normative language).


M2.2. Section 7.2. says that "a preference mechanism may also be used among SRMSs so to deploy a primary/secondary SRMS scheme”…but no other details are included.  This document is where the SRMS is first defined, so I would expect this detail to also be included here.  I note that Section 3.1. (SID Preference) of draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution contains the preference specification. Please move that section to this document.
Ahmed: agreed. But since section 7.2 is under the manageability consideration, IMO it should really not contain much specification. Instead, I modified section  4.2.2 specify how to prefer SRMS advertisements and removed section 7.2 completely. Section 7.2 in version 11 is section 7.3 in version 10

Ok.

I see that some of the text came from §3.1 in draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution, but not all of that section made it — specifically the part about the implicit preference values.  Why?

I didn’t check, but I’m assuming that the text that was moved here is not also in draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls.  Is that true?


...

M4. Security Considerations.  I tend to agree that this document doesn’t introduce anything new…but it does specify something different.  The base SR-related advertisement by an IGP is done for the segments belonging to the local node, but the SRMS lets a node (any node, multiple nodes) adverse any mapping (for nodes that may be anywhere in the network) which may result in conflicting advertisements (in the best case), or even false ones.  Cryptographic authentication (any any other current security mechanisms in IGPs) only verify that the information was not changed, but it doesn’t validate the information itself, which can then lead to conflicting and or false advertisements, which could “compromise traffic forwarding”.  You should at least recognize that the risk exists, even if no specific mitigation (except maybe strict configuration/programmability control by the operator) can be mentioned.
#Ahmed: Agreed. Added text to indicate what you mentioned

Thanks for adding some text…but I think you should still say more.  The risk is of course that a rogue router can inject any mapping it wants: logging, control, etc..help avoid mistakes, but it doesn’t help in the case where the incorrect/false mapping is advertised on purpose.  This last case is something I would like to see mentioned explicitly.


...

P2. Please add References for "RSVP-TE, BGP 3107, VPNv4”.   BTW, note that rfc3107 has been obsoleted by rfc8277 — you make references to “BGP3107” routes/label.
#Ahmed Removed VPNv4 and added references to the others

I think that by "BGP [RFC8277]” you really didn’t meant just “BGP”, but “BGP and Labeled Address Prefixes” (or something like that).

There are still 4 occurrences of “BGP3107".


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autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ngVEDjr2v5RZ; Sun, 13 May 2018 03:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C29812D889; Sun, 13 May 2018 03:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c83-250-142-104.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.142.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B001918013B2; Sun, 13 May 2018 12:03:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Loa Andersson To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "spring@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label@ietf.org" , "mpls-ads@ietf.org" References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 12:03:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Closed: should draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label be published as a RFC on the standards track? X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 10:04:02 -0000 Working Group, This poll has been closed. We have no objections to publishing draft-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label as a RFC on the standards track. We also seem to have some support for adding information that an entropy label is not necessarily the only method handling ECMP. I will forward this to Deborah (AD responsible for this document). /Loa On 2018-05-02 09:44, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, > > February 1st the MPLS working Group requested that draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-entropy-label should be published as an Informational RFC. > > During the RTG Directorate and AD reviews the question whether the > document should instead be published as a RFC on the Standards Track > has been raised. > > The decision to make the document Informational was taken "a long time > ago", based on discussions between the authors and involving the > document shepherd, on the wg mailing list. At that point it we were > convinced that the document should be progressed as an Informational > document. > > It turns out that there has been such changes to the document that we > now would like to request input from the working group if we should make > the document a Standards Track RFC. > > Daniele's RTG Directorate review can be found at at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-mpls-spring-entropy-label-08-rtgdir-lc-ceccarelli-2018-02-21/ > > > All the issues, with the exception whether it should be Informational > or Standards track, has been resolved as part AD review. > > If the document is progressed as a Standard Tracks document then we > also need to answer the question whether this is an update RFC 6790. > > This mail starts a one week poll (ending May 9) to see if we have > support to make the document a Standards Track document. If you support > placing it on the Standards Track also consider if it is an update to > RFC 6790. > > Please send your comments to the MPLS wg mailing list ( mpls@ietf.org ). > > /Loa > for the mpls wf co-chairs > > PS > > I'm copying the spring working group on this mail. -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Mon May 14 13:01:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31D512E8A3; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Halpern To: Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org, spring@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152632807068.10078.4478550408904407310@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 13:01:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:01:11 -0000 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Ready with Issues I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review Date: 2018-05-14 IETF LC End Date: 2018-05-24 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: This document appears to be ready for publication as an RFC. The question of whether it is an Informational RFC or a Proposed Standards track RFC is one that the ADs should examine. Major issues: This document is quite readable, and quite useful. If my reading below (minor comment about section 4.2) is wrong, then everything is fine. However, reading the text, it does not appear to define SRMS. Rather, it describes a good way to use SRMS to achive smooth SR - LDP integration and migration. As such, this seems to me to be a really good Informational Document. Minor issues: Section 4.2 states that it defines the SRMS (Segment Routing Mapping Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they point to https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 as the defining source for the SRMS. And that document does appear to define the SRMS. Nits/editorial comments: From nobody Mon May 14 13:12:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E17C12D95B; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:12:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TYiwksmCj8bh; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 682FC1200C5; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2860; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1526328733; x=1527538333; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=KeFG4I+adoxqDrbznFXCdjNCjIPJYoaQ5abNMBY1HYw=; b=O2nPV3bhJhwzsuyAFTVSu4sNOXMWShfsqSHeWmh1kSK+yG+Zv9y5eLUO t9Z+4l5ZJK4VFFbeLkiPQ/l4V/U1s3Eh8HJin1BS51eInBAGsPQU21aug oQPV6/bVk0OlfSsL9PLd8b0J5IA41+TTUTFfBIAZFP6nE9hae5O874mFR E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CRAQCr7Pla/5FdJa1cGQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQcBAQEBAYNDYXsoCotsjHKBeYEPkzKBeAsYC4QDRgKDESE0GAECAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAmwcDIUoAQEBAwEBATg0CwUHBAIBCA4DAwEBAR8QJwsdCAIEAQ0FCIM?= =?us-ascii?q?dgXcID61qiEKCIgWIJYFUP4EOAYMLgxEBAQOBRzyFLgKHXJBaCQKFZYhigT6?= =?us-ascii?q?DZYdUiVWGZwIREwGBJAEcOIFScBU7gkOCSIhIhT5vj1GBGAEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.49,401,1520899200"; d="scan'208";a="113851812" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 May 2018 20:12:12 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (xch-rcd-003.cisco.com [173.37.102.13]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w4EKCCRB005870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 May 2018 20:12:12 GMT Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com (173.36.7.11) by XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (173.37.102.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Mon, 14 May 2018 15:12:11 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) by XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com ([173.36.7.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Mon, 14 May 2018 15:12:11 -0500 From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" To: Joel Halpern , "gen-art@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 Thread-Index: AQHT675r7HqBmiVlEkS/VLoESDZWzKQvpz+w Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:12:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <152632807068.10078.4478550408904407310@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <152632807068.10078.4478550408904407310@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.122.133] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:12:16 -0000 Joel - I am not an author of this draft - but I am an author on the referenced IS-= IS draft - which I assume is one of the drafts mentioned in your comment: > Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they poi= nt to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 = as the > defining source for the SRMS. =20 The IGP document references in the ldp-interop draft are stale. Newer versi= ons of the IGP drafts have been published and they no longer reference draf= t-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution - a draft which is no longer active. HTH Les > -----Original Message----- > From: spring On Behalf Of Joel Halpern > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:01 PM > To: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org; > spring@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org > Subject: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-ro= uting- > ldp-interop-11 >=20 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review result: Ready with Issues >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Revie= w > Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for > the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last cal= l > comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review Date: 2018-05-14 > IETF LC End Date: 2018-05-24 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: This document appears to be ready for publication as an RFC. Th= e > question of whether it is an Informational RFC or a Proposed Standards tr= ack > RFC is one that the ADs should examine. >=20 > Major issues: > This document is quite readable, and quite useful. If my reading bel= ow > (minor comment about section 4.2) is wrong, then everything is fine. > However, reading the text, it does not appear to define SRMS. Rather= , it > describes a good way to use SRMS to achive smooth SR - LDP integratio= n > and > migration. As such, this seems to me to be a really good Information= al > Document. >=20 > Minor issues: > Section 4.2 states that it defines the SRMS (Segment Routing Mapping > Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they poi= nt to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 = as the > defining source for the SRMS. And that document does appear to defin= e > the > SRMS. >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Mon May 14 13:16:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996DF12D95B; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98YFZEJEJYlQ; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86F7712D960; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692F39C0710; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:16:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1526328967; bh=EM0dc8IXa6xZuKNQ6UpiGWFcBVnNaPcbOE1/+yYZbOU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=JCCuZ35cCh/b59ONM9qUR9hWc3cF5hrmdor3Hq3Et7XDqIQiwY+3ZMOLLngCx5ufD wG/CYasrcf4AXBqW4RP7uNQ8i+HbawTNUYMMyo5cTWk7/DTYvwhw8DSM+UC5uzX1n3 7Fu4jgE+nzsiVWV9aQHcpoXSFKu9wXrvWq44hT/Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.225.209.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E0B89C06E3; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:16:05 -0700 (PDT) To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Joel Halpern , "gen-art@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" References: <152632807068.10078.4478550408904407310@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Joel Halpern Direct Message-ID: <8050bc23-d648-4ac8-ff4c-1978d6ecc9d9@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 16:16:04 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:16:13 -0000 Thanks Les. I wondered if that were the case. Looking again at the draft, the problem then is that section 4.2 of the subject draft is not a normative definition of an SRMS. It states the general functionality, and then provides an example of how it would work in the given scenario. If the text were enhanced to be an effective normative definition of an SRMS, then that would also resolve the quesiton of the intended status of the draft. Yours, Joel On 5/14/18 4:12 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Joel - > > I am not an author of this draft - but I am an author on the referenced IS-IS draft - which I assume is one of the drafts mentioned in your comment: > >> Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they point to >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 as the >> defining source for the SRMS. > > The IGP document references in the ldp-interop draft are stale. Newer versions of the IGP drafts have been published and they no longer reference draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution - a draft which is no longer active. > > HTH > > Les > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: spring On Behalf Of Joel Halpern >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:01 PM >> To: gen-art@ietf.org >> Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org; >> spring@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org >> Subject: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing- >> ldp-interop-11 >> >> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >> Review result: Ready with Issues >> >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review >> Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for >> the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call >> comments. >> >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >> >> . >> >> Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 >> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >> Review Date: 2018-05-14 >> IETF LC End Date: 2018-05-24 >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >> >> Summary: This document appears to be ready for publication as an RFC. The >> question of whether it is an Informational RFC or a Proposed Standards track >> RFC is one that the ADs should examine. >> >> Major issues: >> This document is quite readable, and quite useful. If my reading below >> (minor comment about section 4.2) is wrong, then everything is fine. >> However, reading the text, it does not appear to define SRMS. Rather, it >> describes a good way to use SRMS to achive smooth SR - LDP integration >> and >> migration. As such, this seems to me to be a really good Informational >> Document. >> >> Minor issues: >> Section 4.2 states that it defines the SRMS (Segment Routing Mapping >> Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they point to >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 as the >> defining source for the SRMS. And that document does appear to define >> the >> SRMS. >> >> Nits/editorial comments: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Mon May 14 13:32:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0AF124319; Mon, 14 May 2018 13:32:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by 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<749d7ac055aa40c0a1e149b755f16c01@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> From: Joel Halpern Direct Message-ID: <0ba80b61-5007-e031-d019-02c4760d28e1@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 16:33:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <749d7ac055aa40c0a1e149b755f16c01@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:33:35 -0000 I meant "this" (the document under review), not "that" (conflict-resolution). Since the other documents I found indicated that conflict resolution defined it, I assumed it did. Given that conflict-resolution is a dead document, something needs to actually define the SRMS. Yours, Joel On 5/14/18 4:32 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: > Joel - > > I don’t fully understand the rest of your comment then. You said: > > " And that document does appear to define the SRMS." > > (where "that document" refers to draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution). > > But the conflict resolution document never defined an SRMS - it merely described how SRMS advertisements were used in the context of conflict resolution. > So if you are unsatisfied with the "SRMS definition" in ldp-interop draft I think you need to be more clear as to what you think is lacking. > > I leave it to the draft authors to resolve this issue with you. > > Les > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joel Halpern Direct >> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:16 PM >> To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Joel Halpern >> ; gen-art@ietf.org >> Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org; >> spring@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment- >> routing-ldp-interop-11 >> >> Thanks Les. I wondered if that were the case. >> >> Looking again at the draft, the problem then is that section 4.2 of the subject >> draft is not a normative definition of an SRMS. It states the general >> functionality, and then provides an example of how it would work in the >> given scenario. >> >> If the text were enhanced to be an effective normative definition of an >> SRMS, then that would also resolve the quesiton of the intended status of >> the draft. >> >> Yours, >> Joel >> >> On 5/14/18 4:12 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: >>> Joel - >>> >>> I am not an author of this draft - but I am an author on the referenced IS-IS >> draft - which I assume is one of the drafts mentioned in your comment: >>> >>>> Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they point >> to >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 as >> the >>>> defining source for the SRMS. >>> >>> The IGP document references in the ldp-interop draft are stale. Newer >> versions of the IGP drafts have been published and they no longer reference >> draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution - a draft which is no longer active. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: spring On Behalf Of Joel Halpern >>>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 1:01 PM >>>> To: gen-art@ietf.org >>>> Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org; >>>> spring@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org >>>> Subject: [spring] Genart last call review of >>>> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing- >>>> ldp-interop-11 >>>> >>>> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >>>> Review result: Ready with Issues >>>> >>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >>>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by >>>> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like >>>> any other last call comments. >>>> >>>> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 >>>> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >>>> Review Date: 2018-05-14 >>>> IETF LC End Date: 2018-05-24 >>>> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>>> >>>> Summary: This document appears to be ready for publication as an RFC. >>>> The question of whether it is an Informational RFC or a Proposed >>>> Standards track RFC is one that the ADs should examine. >>>> >>>> Major issues: >>>> This document is quite readable, and quite useful. If my reading below >>>> (minor comment about section 4.2) is wrong, then everything is fine. >>>> However, reading the text, it does not appear to define SRMS. Rather, >> it >>>> describes a good way to use SRMS to achive smooth SR - LDP >>>> integration and >>>> migration. As such, this seems to me to be a really good Informational >>>> Document. >>>> >>>> Minor issues: >>>> Section 4.2 states that it defines the SRMS (Segment Routing Mapping >>>> Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they point >> to >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 as >> the >>>> defining source for the SRMS. And that document does appear to >>>> define the >>>> SRMS. >>>> >>>> Nits/editorial comments: >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> spring mailing list >>>> spring@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Tue May 15 07:07:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3964C12D954; Tue, 15 May 2018 07:07:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, spring@ietf.org, spring-chairs@ietf.org, bruno.decraene@orange.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152639325818.3935.12082885441618914136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 07:07:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] spring - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 102 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 14:07:38 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Bruno Decraene, a Chair of the spring working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Source Packet Routing in Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Bruno Decraene Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 90 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: lsr mpls idr Second Priority: bess detnet pce 6man rtgwg Third Priority: teas People who must be present: Bruno Decraene Martin Vigoureux Rob Shakir Resources Requested: Special Requests: Stong preference for Monday/Tuesday as one chair will need to leave the IETF meeting earlier. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue May 15 21:56:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C841E128954; 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Hi,

draft-ali-spring-srv6-oam-00 says The OAM packets are identified by setting the O-bit in SRH=A3=ACBut I Notice the latest I-D.6man-segment-routing-header= has removed O-bit in the SRH extension header. I want to confirm that draft-ali-spring-srv6-oam-00 w= ill also remove o-bit or keep the o-bit in the later version?

Ths

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MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Shakir Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 08:20:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: SPRING WG List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a02b52056c544277" Archived-At: Subject: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 15:20:38 -0000 --000000000000a02b52056c544277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi SPRING WG, In parallel to the call for adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to poll for IPR. If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details). If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. This document will not advance into the working group until IPR confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors. Thanks, Bruno & Rob. --000000000000a02b52056c544277 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi SPRING WG,

In parallel to the call f= or adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would= like to poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR tha= t applies to=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respo= nd to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has b= een disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and = 5378 provide more details).

If you are an autho= r or contributor=C2=A0please respond to this email regardless of whethe= r or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contribut= or, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has not yet= been disclosed.

This document will not advance in= to the working group until IPR confirmations have been received from all au= thors and contributors.

Thanks,
Bruno &a= mp; Rob.
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Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this draft. As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. 2. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group. Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if required for the others. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this document. Thanks, Bruno & Rob. --000000000000a06098056c54428b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi SPRING WG,

This email initiates a tw= o week call for working group adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segme= nt-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting= this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particu= larly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-auth= ors of this draft.

As part of the discussions of a= dopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there = are a number of requests to the authors.

1. Please= clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its re= lationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this= work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into polic= ies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this= is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship wit= h other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether section= s 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

2= . Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be mak= e as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions tha= t can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the workin= g group.

Additionally, there are currently 17 auth= ors listed on this document. Please trim this to <=3D 5 front-page autho= rs, utilising a "Contributors" section if required for the others= . An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-pa= ge authors.

In parallel to this adoption call, I w= ill send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to conf= irm their IPR position on this document.

Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.
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I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this dr= aft

Cheers,

Alex

On Wed, May 16, 2018, 8:20 AM Rob Shakir &= lt;robjs@google.com> wrote:
<= /div>
Hi SPRING WG,

=
In parallel to the call for adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spr= ing-segment-routing-policy, we would like to poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring= -segment-routing-policy please respond to this email. If you are aware of I= PR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance with IETF I= PR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).
<= br>
If you are an author or contributor=C2=A0please respon= d to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. I= f you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if y= ou are aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

This document will not advance into the working group until IPR confirma= tions have been received from all authors and contributors.

<= /div>
Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.
_______________________________________________
spring mailing list
spr= ing@ietf.org
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([2607:fb90:3635:32c:8fe:d73b:290f:508]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t14-v6sm5569196pfh.109.2018.05.16.08.59.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 May 2018 08:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D49FB9A3-D4F7-439F-8331-85063F0AE051 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gaurav Dawra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) In-Reply-To: <9F67949A-638D-44FB-AF58-5788FA1AA207@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 08:59:57 -0700 Cc: SPRING WG List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <824627AF-6248-46B8-8D55-46A51CD481C6@gmail.com> References: <9F67949A-638D-44FB-AF58-5788FA1AA207@cisco.com> To: Rob Shakir Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 16:00:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail-D49FB9A3-D4F7-439F-8331-85063F0AE051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spring Chairs, Speaking as SPRING Member who is operator and not a co-author. I support adoption of this document as WG document. Cheers Gaurav Sent from my iPhone >=20 > =20 > From: spring on behalf of Rob Shakir > Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM > To: SPRING WG List > Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-se= gment-routing-policy > =20 > Hi SPRING WG, > =20 > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption for draft-= filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or oth= erwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We= are particularly interested in hearing from working group members that are n= ot co-authors of this draft. > =20 > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs= and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > =20 > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its re= lationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this w= ork is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies= , rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is t= he case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with othe= r work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-= 14.4 are required scope of this document. > =20 > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be m= ake as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions th= at can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the workin= g group. > =20 > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Plea= se trim this to <=3D 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" sectio= n if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to lis= t ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > =20 > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this docume= nt. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this docume= nt. > =20 > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --Apple-Mail-D49FB9A3-D4F7-439F-8331-85063F0AE051 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spring Chairs,

Speaking as SPRING Member who is operator and not a co-author.

I support adoption of this document as WG document.

Cheers

Gaurav

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM
To: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy

 

Hi SPRING WG,

 

This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this draft.

 

As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors.

 

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

 

2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group.

 

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors.

 

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this document.

 

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

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--Apple-Mail-D49FB9A3-D4F7-439F-8331-85063F0AE051-- From nobody Wed May 16 09:12:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D242127286 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -18.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uosQJLsZLntv for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x22e.google.com (mail-vk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7D021200FC for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id u8-v6so849708vku.5 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wmipqGESRND1R8btVY3csexHtQzzKNnuHZ6JxcwY8Q8=; b=Uhbym5qEQsGv7bZgP2Wh/vUuXW2dAq6X9e30DeNXx+yLXBRnyB84k56k0c60VXFYvg 9VKNMcWtx4SpJpe4iPvIfpuJQe5Oz8WMY21zKstD8CiNVtffJ0Jqn3nrgPFFs6NutHVM 4JNiscrLGisNBwFct5k6I8umLVgSCYjzetQUCx4EohzzorPr06HlW82AYxv2e1jSqqbr 3zNr8Aab1S23jee54BZPDDR3288SWL2SCSdDyvdSqBFA5JwTfKOVQvrF3nQRaqpxZRgM sw1GwYeXK1+/9WVs1RFjg56yRdC0QNrskmURfxybyWg+5tgENMXBr2dice9WdM3+UfoU rMQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wmipqGESRND1R8btVY3csexHtQzzKNnuHZ6JxcwY8Q8=; b=UL2rCeijPa8Hq8zS3d3YYFheoXssIkAbqjB3NxnlRMDkYODjLCVd/ZgXvn/G+QQAJq mGHGLJeRrupFm0OHhJFCpvAjfhuEPgx/ED1e9DbZ/8mGfm8urv4Hi8jK8ZezTnj9vWlf h7WtV03ki4F5UyIAU7mvllaxdd6htcNdxZbriO06cvoV+Otl+zqrTpps/Hh+FwbSK0hq nx9Zw3CIzS6A00H1giwCkYfoCuZgI2qG2qkW3YbiD7wWfDD3jg/Jl6WMBpQKGBYFS7qH 6WgR0GPl/9pAcki3BYqPmNPWTR9lzEs9O335DhJNzdyqBfsrYr9M6+YP4TZboIcltqid NCTg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwcK6xW5ea4717E2VugyEGTPI+uA+KHXgXNpaRn6Eu87mbCFv7RG 8FpaCXm0t/tHQEsYcYoHLGslFw2vv0W8LuNW1D0adA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqGl1Y3rAuxNJTHD2rk6oHz6LKMB3LoplsM4tdUVrbNiFQeVNo1tYFfZF9gc/T6FZvk5oxcLS6Y+LSCacTpFd8= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:8148:: with SMTP id c69-v6mr1340201vkd.171.1526487146184; Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9F67949A-638D-44FB-AF58-5788FA1AA207@cisco.com> <824627AF-6248-46B8-8D55-46A51CD481C6@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <824627AF-6248-46B8-8D55-46A51CD481C6@gmail.com> From: Alex Bogdanov Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 09:12:14 -0700 Message-ID: To: Gaurav Dawra Cc: Rob Shakir , SPRING WG List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001b2369056c54fc80" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 16:12:30 -0000 --0000000000001b2369056c54fc80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello Chairs, As a co-author, I support WG adoption On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:00 AM Gaurav Dawra wrote: > Spring Chairs, > > Speaking as SPRING Member who is operator and not a co-author. > > I support adoption of this document as WG document. > > Cheers > > Gaurav > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > *From: *spring on behalf of Rob Shakir < > robjs@google.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM > *To: *SPRING WG List > *Subject: *[spring] Working Group Adoption Call for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th > May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group > members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs > and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into > policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether > this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship > with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether > sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be > make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions > that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the > working group. > > > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" > section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be > to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- -- Alex Alex Bogdanov | Strategic NetEng | bogdanov@ | Cell: 650-314-8196 --0000000000001b2369056c54fc80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Chairs,

As a co-author, I support= WG adoption

On = Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:00 AM Gaurav Dawra <gdawra.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Spring Chairs,

Speaking = as SPRING Member who is operator and not a co-author.

<= div>I support adoption of this document as WG document.

Cheers

Gaurav

Sent from my iPhone


=C2=A0

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.o= rg> on behalf of Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM
To: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spr= ing-segment-routing-policy

=C2=A0

Hi SPRING WG,

=C2=A0

This email initiate= s a two week call for working group adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring= -segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for ad= opting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particu= larly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-auth= ors of this draft.

=C2=A0

As part of the disc= ussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other= WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors.

=C2=A0

1. Please clarify i= n the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship= to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is g= enerally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than p= ath calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or n= ot), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is cl= ear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

=C2=A0

2.. Consider what t= he core content of this document is, and how it can be make as concise and = clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group.

=C2=A0

Additionally, there= are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <= =3D 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if r= equired for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as = the front-page authors.

=C2=A0

In parallel to this= adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all= 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.=

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3609340107_891555801 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes/support Cheers, Jeff From: spring on behalf of Rob Shakir Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 17:20 To: SPRING WG List Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy Hi SPRING WG, This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this draft. As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group. Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this document. Thanks, Bruno & Rob. _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --B_3609340107_891555801 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/support

 

Ch= eers,

Jeff

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Rob Shakir <ro= bjs@google.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 17:20
To= : SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] Wor= king Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy

 

=

Hi SPRING WG,=

 

This email initiates a two week call for working= group adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Pleas= e indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working = group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearin= g from working group members that are not co-authors of this draft.

 

As part of the discussions of adoptin= g this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a n= umber of requests to the authors.

 

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy&quo= t; and its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to = me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic= into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of wh= ether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relatio= nship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether= sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

 

2.. Consider what the core content of this docum= ent is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are s= ome specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see thi= s discussed with the working group.

 

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document.= Please trim this to <=3D 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contribut= ors" section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this= would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors.

=  

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an= IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IP= R position on this document.

 

= Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

__________= _____________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring

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Please indicate your = support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item = by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from working = group members that are not co-authors of this draft. >=20 > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the = ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the = authors. >=20 > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and = its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me = that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers = traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional = clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to = ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the = authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of = this document. >=20 > 2.. 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([2601:646:9300:3021:b84c:ef7d:31d4:569e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t68-v6sm6292540pfe.17.2018.05.16.19.43.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 May 2018 19:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Gaurav Dawra Message-Id: <3C6A8E63-3FD4-4274-8624-1F2D94655CC0@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CE7E4342-3662-4A01-845D-CA8C138344BE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 19:43:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1c95fd24-b6bf-90e2-3879-a74eff7e9e40@gmail.com> Cc: SPRING WG , tsv-art@ietf.org, Alvaro Retana To: Martin Stiemerling References: <40ED2C86-3403-4D89-8CA8-FBB9651BF2AB@gmail.com> <1c95fd24-b6bf-90e2-3879-a74eff7e9e40@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] TSV-ART review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-08 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 02:43:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CE7E4342-3662-4A01-845D-CA8C138344BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Martin, Apologies from my end we had multiple discussions amongst authors. For below comment - I will remove the citation of the really open paper. = Will update in next rev: Section will read like this now: A flowlet is defined as a burst of packets from the same flow followed by an idle interval. With some ability to choose paths on the host, one may go from per- flow load-sharing in the network to per-packet or per-flowlet. The host may select different segment routing instructions either per packet, or per flowlet, and route them over different paths. This allows for solving the "elephant flow" problem in the data-center and avoiding link imbalances. =20 Cheers, Gaurav > On Apr 9, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Martin Stiemerling = wrote: >=20 > Hi Gaurav, >=20 > Am 01.03.18 um 16:01 schrieb Gaurav Dawra: >> Hey Martin, >> Seeking your feedback here. Regarding Section 7.1, The intent of the = document is to describe one suggestive way and do not attempt to = standardize any suggested mechanisms based considering the Informational = nature. Authors do not attempt to fully solve =E2=80=93 but to indicate = how SR helps towards this.The details of how the hosts figure out what = paths to take through the network such that the TCP and application are = not affected is outside the scope of this document. >> Would you prefer to add perhaps - =E2=80=9Cdetails outside the = scope=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cthis is one of the ways=E2=80=9D or something = else? >=20 >=20 > Since the cited paper is really old and there is no up-to-date proof = of any working implementation with real Internet traffic: Please remove = this part. >=20 > This will require a lot of theoretical work, discussions the transport = community, discussions with operating system vendors and testing in the = wild open Internet. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Martin --Apple-Mail=_CE7E4342-3662-4A01-845D-CA8C138344BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi = Martin,

Apologies from my end we had multiple discussions amongst = authors.
For = below comment - I will remove the citation of the really open paper. = Will update in next rev:

Section will read like this now:

A flowlet is =
defined as a burst of packets from the same flow
followed by an idle interval.

With some ability =
to choose paths on the host, one may go from per-
flow load-sharing in the network to =
per-packet or per-flowlet.  The
host may select different segment routing instructions either =
per
packet, or per flowlet, and route them over different =
paths.  This
allows for solving the "elephant =
flow" problem in the data-center and
avoiding link imbalances.
 
Cheers,

Gaurav

On Apr 9, 2018, at 8:02 AM, = Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Gaurav,

Am 01.03.18 um 16:01 schrieb Gaurav Dawra:
Hey Martin,
Seeking your feedback here. = Regarding Section 7.1, The intent of the document is to describe = one suggestive way and do not attempt to standardize any suggested = mechanisms based considering the Informational nature. Authors do not = attempt to fully solve =E2=80=93 but to indicate how SR helps towards = this.The details of how the hosts figure out what paths to take through = the network such that the TCP and application are not affected is = outside the scope of this document.
Would you prefer to = add perhaps - =E2=80=9Cdetails outside the scope=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cthis= is one of the ways=E2=80=9D or something else?


Since the cited paper is really old and there = is no up-to-date proof of any working implementation with real Internet = traffic: Please remove this part.

This will = require a lot of theoretical work, discussions the transport community, = discussions with operating system vendors and testing in the wild open = Internet.

Kind regards,

 Martin

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Please find below my response. I will be happy to discuss further, if = needed. inline... > On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling = wrote: >=20 > Hi Gaurav, >=20 > This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these = messages out of my sight... :-/ >=20 > Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra: >> Hey Martin, >> Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inline[Gaurav] >>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi all, >>>=20 >>> I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review = team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were = written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to = the document's authors for their information and to allow them to = address any issues raised. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the = authors should consider this review together with any other last-call = comments they receive. Please always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply = to or forward this review. >>>=20 >>> Summary: >>> This draft has serious issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of = Section3, described in the review, and needs to be rethought. The other = sections are good AFAIK. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Technicals: >>> The overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange = and need a fix before publication IMHO: >>>=20 >>> Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well = proven funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are = some sort discussing that different paths in the network could be used = by the end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware = Networking Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to = the fact that there is no commonly understand and accepted engineering = solution in this space. >>>=20 >>> Section 7.1: >>> [KANDULA04] is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up = in recent times and even worse there is no evidence that this is going = to work good enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. = Additionally, it is more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation = will react to this >> [Gaurav] Will get back on this. >=20 > I will reply to the other email dicussing this. I have replied to other thread. >=20 >>>=20 >>> Section 7.2: >>> This section describes an idea without detailing too much about any = further aspects. Further it changes the commonly accepted notion of what = an end host can do with the network. At best this would require a good = definition of what an end host in your setting is, e.g., a highly = modified piece of (at least) software that usually not found in OS = availble on the market (yet?) >>> Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a = central point is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated = when reported by any node. >> [Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is = defined in = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15) can = influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with = the controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- = localized control is allowed at Host based on performance data = collection. >=20 > Performance data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes = to timely (actually real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't = just about performance data collection as it is about "Performance-aware = routing" this seems to try to interact in real-time with the network = behavior of TCP. This isn't even close to acceptable. >=20 > I would be ok to say that it is useful to collect performance data for = offline analysis and improvement of the data network. However, this is = at completely different magnitues of time scales. >=20 > I would recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely. Ack, will update in next rev: Section will read like this: ; =20 Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, the end host may deduce certain characteristics of the path on its own, and additionally use the information supplied with path information pushed from the controller or received via pull request. The host may further share its path observations with the centralized agent, so that the latter may keep up-to-date network health map to assist other hosts with this information. =20 For example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined to HostZ via Spine node Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The application A.1 may collect information on packet loss, deduced from Other offline mechanisms. [There are some pingMesh mechanisms which=20= Can be used here] =20 Through these mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g. after a flow completes, or periodically for longer lived flows. Next, using both local and/or global performance data, application A.1 as well as other applications sharing the same resources in the DC fabric may pick up the best path for the new flow, or update an existing path (e.g.: when informed of congestion on an existing path). =20 ; >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> Section 3, 3rd bullet point: >>> It is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black = box and that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current = state of the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you = mention SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all = paths exhibit this and if not what is going to happen? >>> It could be an interesting research field to change many points in = TCP's behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the = IETF works but IRTF or elsewhere. >> [Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly = treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance = metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting? >=20 >=20 > I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't = the place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is something the = network could decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or = changing the forwarding path in the network for particular flows (if it = is not routed). Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd = bullet point. Will update in next rev - coming shortly. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Martin >=20 --Apple-Mail=_E5B1CE7B-CD2A-4A43-AB29-F697C6141D8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi= Martin,

Apologies from my end we had few internal authors = conversations on the points you have raised.

Please find below my response. I = will be happy to discuss further, if needed.

<Gaurav> inline...

On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, = Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Gaurav,

This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The = filter just moved these messages out of my sight... :-/

Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra:
Hey Martin,
Sorry for late reply. Please see = some comments inline[Gaurav]
On Jan 9, 2018, at = 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:mls.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I've reviewed this = document as part of the transport area review team's ongoing effort to = review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the = transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors for = their information and to allow them to address any issues raised. When = done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this = review together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please = always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review.

Summary:
This draft has serious = issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Section3, described in the = review, and needs to be rethought. The other sections are good AFAIK.


Technicals:
The = overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange and need = a fix before publication IMHO:

Both = Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well proven = funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are some = sort discussing that different paths in the network could be used by the = end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware Networking = Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there = is no commonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this = space.

Section 7.1:
[KANDULA04]= is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up in recent times = and even worse there is no evidence that this is going to work good = enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is = more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation will react to = this
[Gaurav] Will get back on this.

I will reply to the other email dicussing this.
<Gaurav> I have replied to other thread.


Section 7.2:
This section describes an idea = without detailing too much about any further aspects. Further it changes = the commonly accepted notion of what an end host can do with the = network. At best this would require a good definition of what an end = host in your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at least) = software that usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?)
Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a = central point is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated = when reported by any node.
[Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight = that Host which is defined in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-1= 5) can influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or = jointly with the controller. Implementations can decide how much = Centralized -vs- localized control is allowed at Host based on = performance data collection.

Performance data collection = (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to timely (actually real-time) = reaction. However, this section isn't just about performance data = collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this seems to try = to interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This isn't = even close to acceptable.

I would be ok to = say that it is useful to collect performance data for offline analysis = and improvement of the data network. However, this is at completely = different magnitues of time scales.

I would = recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely.
<Gaurav>Ack, will update in next = rev:

Section will = read like this:

;
 
   Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, =
the end host may
   =
deduce certain characteristics of the path on its own, and
   additionally use the =
information supplied with path information
   pushed from the =
controller or received via pull request.  The host
   may further share its =
path observations with the centralized agent,
   so that the latter =
may keep up-to-date network health map to assist
   other hosts with this =
information.
 
   For =
example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined
   to HostZ via Spine =
node Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The
   application A.1 may collect information on =
packet loss, deduced from
   Other =
offline mechanisms.  [There are some pingMesh mechanisms which =

   Can be used here]
 
    Through these =
mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g.
   after a flow =
completes, or periodically for longer lived flows.
   Next, using both =
local and/or global performance data, application
   A.1 as well as other =
applications sharing the same resources in the
   DC fabric may pick up =
the best path for the new flow, or update an
   existing path (e.g.: =
when informed of congestion on an existing
   path).
 
;



Section 3, 3rd bullet point:
It = is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black box and = that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current state = of the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you mention = SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all paths = exhibit this and if not what is going to happen?
It could = be an interesting research field to change many points in TCP's = behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF = works but IRTF or elsewhere.
[Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest = that TCP is rightly treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying = per path performance metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text = you are suggesting?


I would recommend to remove the = 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't the place to remember "good" or = "bad" paths. This is something the network could decide, e.g., rerouting = TCP flows within the network or changing the forwarding path in the = network for particular flows (if it is not routed).

<Gaurav> Ack, after discussion, we will remove the = Section 3 - 3rd bullet point. Will update in next rev - coming = shortly.


Kind= regards,

 Martin


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([2601:646:9300:3021:b84c:ef7d:31d4:569e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o10-v6sm4775715pgp.30.2018.05.16.19.47.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 May 2018 19:47:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Gaurav Dawra Message-Id: <5C69DA11-32C4-494E-B9A5-DB8963254BEC@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A7D75C9A-7A64-4CFF-97B7-0AAA8036A2D4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 19:47:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: spring@ietf.org, tsv-art@ietf.org To: Martin Stiemerling References: <40ED2C86-3403-4D89-8CA8-FBB9651BF2AB@gmail.com> <6dd41180-83bd-c02e-1783-df873e749941@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] TSV-ART review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-08 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 02:47:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A7D75C9A-7A64-4CFF-97B7-0AAA8036A2D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Resending again with slight edits=E2=80=A6 Hi Martin, Apologies from my end we had few internal authors conversations on the = points you have raised. Please find below my response. I will be happy to discuss further, if = required. I will try to publish the next rev at the earliest. inline... > On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling > wrote: >=20 > Hi Gaurav, >=20 > This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these = messages out of my sight... :-/ >=20 > Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra: >> Hey Martin, >> Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inline[Gaurav] >>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi all, >>>=20 >>> I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review = team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were = written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to = the document's authors for their information and to allow them to = address any issues raised. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the = authors should consider this review together with any other last-call = comments they receive. Please always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply = to or forward this review. >>>=20 >>> Summary: >>> This draft has serious issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of = Section3, described in the review, and needs to be rethought. The other = sections are good AFAIK. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Technicals: >>> The overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange = and need a fix before publication IMHO: >>>=20 >>> Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well = proven funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are = some sort discussing that different paths in the network could be used = by the end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware = Networking Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg = ) and hints to the fact that there is no = commonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space. >>>=20 >>> Section 7.1: >>> [KANDULA04] is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up = in recent times and even worse there is no evidence that this is going = to work good enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. = Additionally, it is more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation = will react to this >> [Gaurav] Will get back on this. >=20 > I will reply to the other email dicussing this. I have replied to other thread. >=20 >>>=20 >>> Section 7.2: >>> This section describes an idea without detailing too much about any = further aspects. Further it changes the commonly accepted notion of what = an end host can do with the network. At best this would require a good = definition of what an end host in your setting is, e.g., a highly = modified piece of (at least) software that usually not found in OS = availble on the market (yet?) >>> Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a = central point is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated = when reported by any node. >> [Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is = defined in = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15 = ) can = influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with = the controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- = localized control is allowed at Host based on performance data = collection. >=20 > Performance data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes = to timely (actually real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't = just about performance data collection as it is about "Performance-aware = routing" this seems to try to interact in real-time with the network = behavior of TCP. This isn't even close to acceptable. >=20 > I would be ok to say that it is useful to collect performance data for = offline analysis and improvement of the data network. However, this is = at completely different magnitues of time scales. >=20 > I would recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely. Ack, will update in next rev: Section will read like this: ; =20 Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, the end host may deduce certain characteristics of the path on its own, and additionally use the information supplied with path information pushed from the controller or received via pull request. The host may further share its path observations with the centralized agent, so that the latter may keep up-to-date network health map to assist other hosts with this information. =20 For example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined to HostZ via Spine node Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The application A.1 may collect information on packet loss, deduced from other offline mechanisms. =20 Through these mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g. after a flow completes, or periodically for longer lived flows. Next, using both local and/or global performance data, application A.1 as well as other applications sharing the same resources in the DC fabric may pick up the best path for the new flow, or update an existing path (e.g.: when informed of congestion on an existing path). =20 ; >=20 >=20 >>>=20 >>> Section 3, 3rd bullet point: >>> It is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black = box and that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current = state of the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you = mention SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all = paths exhibit this and if not what is going to happen? >>> It could be an interesting research field to change many points in = TCP's behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the = IETF works but IRTF or elsewhere. >> [Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly = treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance = metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting? >=20 >=20 > I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't = the place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is something the = network could decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or = changing the forwarding path in the network for particular flows (if it = is not routed). Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd = bullet point. Will update in next rev - coming shortly. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Martin --Apple-Mail=_A7D75C9A-7A64-4CFF-97B7-0AAA8036A2D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Resending again with slight = edits=E2=80=A6
Hi = Martin,

Apologies from my end we had few internal authors = conversations on the points you have raised.

Please find below my response. I = will be happy to discuss further, if required.

I will try to publish the next = rev at the earliest.

<Gaurav> inline...

On = Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com> = wrote:

Hi Gaurav,

This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just = moved these messages out of my sight... :-/

Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra:
Hey Martin,
Sorry for late reply. Please see = some comments inline[Gaurav]
On Jan 9, 2018, at = 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:mls.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I've reviewed this = document as part of the transport area review team's ongoing effort to = review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the = transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors for = their information and to allow them to address any issues raised. When = done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this = review together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please = always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review.

Summary:
This draft has serious = issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Section3, described in the = review, and needs to be rethought. The other sections are good AFAIK.


Technicals:
The = overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange and need = a fix before publication IMHO:

Both = Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well proven = funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are some = sort discussing that different paths in the network could be used by the = end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware Networking = Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there = is no commonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this = space.

Section 7.1:
[KANDULA04]= is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up in recent times = and even worse there is no evidence that this is going to work good = enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is = more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation will react to = this
[Gaurav] Will get back on this.

I will reply to the other email dicussing this.
<Gaurav> I have replied to other thread.


Section 7.2:
This section describes an idea = without detailing too much about any further aspects. Further it changes = the commonly accepted notion of what an end host can do with the = network. At best this would require a good definition of what an end = host in your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at least) = software that usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?)
Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a = central point is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated = when reported by any node.
[Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight = that Host which is defined in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-1= 5) can influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or = jointly with the controller. Implementations can decide how much = Centralized -vs- localized control is allowed at Host based on = performance data collection.

Performance data collection = (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to timely (actually real-time) = reaction. However, this section isn't just about performance data = collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this seems to try = to interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This isn't = even close to acceptable.

I would be ok to = say that it is useful to collect performance data for offline analysis = and improvement of the data network. However, this is at completely = different magnitues of time scales.

I would = recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely.
<Gaurav>Ack, will update in next = rev:

Section will read like this:

;
 
   Knowing =
the path associated with flows/packets, the end host may
   deduce certain characteristics of the path on =
its own, and
   additionally use the information supplied with =
path information
   pushed from the controller or received via pull =
request.  The host
   may further share its path =
observations with the centralized agent,
   so that the latter may keep up-to-date network =
health map to assist
   other hosts with this information.
 
   For example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin =
a flow destined
   to HostZ via Spine node Node5 using label stack =
{16005, 16011}. The
   application A.1 may collect =
information on packet loss, deduced from
   other offline mechanisms.
 
    Through = these mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g.
   after a flow completes, or periodically for =
longer lived flows.
   Next, using both local and/or global performance =
data, application
   A.1 as well as other applications sharing the =
same resources in the
   DC fabric may pick up the best =
path for the new flow, or update an
   existing path (e.g.: when informed of congestion =
on an existing
   path).
 
;




Section 3, 3rd bullet point:
It is the = foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black box and that = you infer from the transmission of packets what the current state of the = network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you mention SRTT, MSS, = CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all paths exhibit this = and if not what is going to happen?
It could be an = interesting research field to change many points in TCP's behavior, but = this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF works but IRTF = or elsewhere.
[Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is = rightly treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path = performance metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are = suggesting?


I would recommend to remove the = 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't the place to remember "good" or = "bad" paths. This is something the network could decide, e.g., rerouting = TCP flows within the network or changing the forwarding path in the = network for particular flows (if it is not routed).

<Gaurav> Ack, after discussion, we will = remove the Section 3 - 3rd bullet point. Will update in next rev - = coming shortly.


Kind= regards,

 Martin
= = --Apple-Mail=_A7D75C9A-7A64-4CFF-97B7-0AAA8036A2D4-- From nobody Wed May 16 21:20:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5AE12E8A8 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T9cLmMi1rO84 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 21:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [192.26.91.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A581120726 for ; Wed, 16 May 2018 21:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023C5C0EF655; Thu, 17 May 2018 13:20:14 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddi-research.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8FcwRdLtU17S; Thu, 17 May 2018 13:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from safeattach.localdomain (unknown [IPv6:2001:200:601:1a00:20c:29ff:fe79:2280]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66CEC0EF643; Thu, 17 May 2018 13:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from [172.19.124.101] (dhcp101.west-4f.cn.kddilabs.jp [172.19.124.101]) by safeattach.localdomain with ESMTP id w4H4K9Rn019528; Thu, 17 May 2018 13:20:09 +0900 To: Rob Shakir , SPRING WG List References: From: Takuya Miyasaka Message-ID: <1a5ab986-812f-f2f4-9865-30b52b09f2c2@kddi-research.jp> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:20:09 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C46FED562C02798012B8F9DB" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 04:20:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C46FED562C02798012B8F9DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I support the adoption of this draft. This kind of feature is very useful from operator's point of view. Thanks, Takuya On 2018/05/17 0:20, Rob Shakir wrote: > Hi SPRING WG, > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item > by *30th May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from > working group members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the > ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the > authors. > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and > its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to > me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers > traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional > clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome > to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask > the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope > of this document. > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can > be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific > suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this > discussed with the working group. > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a > "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to > achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on > this document. > > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------C46FED562C02798012B8F9DB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I support the adoption of this draft. This kind of feature is very useful from operator's point of view.

Thanks,
Takuya

On 2018/05/17 0:20, Rob Shakir wrote:
Hi SPRING WG,

This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this draft.

As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors.

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group.

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors.

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this document.

Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.


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with ESMTP id Pgcwr3s4LyvD for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 01:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl2.lab.dtag.de (Owl2.lab.DTAG.DE [194.25.1.238]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D82129C6C for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 01:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by owl2.lab.dtag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9FFC6FA9; Thu, 17 May 2018 10:29:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from TSUNAMI-Boggart-8.lab.DTAG.de (o-Boggart.lab.dtag.de [62.153.176.78]) by owl2.lab.dtag.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E15DC6791; Thu, 17 May 2018 10:29:10 +0200 (CEST) To: Rob Shakir , SPRING WG List References: From: Martin Horneffer Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:29:09 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8C2C340145771DF0806009FA" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 08:29:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8C2C340145771DF0806009FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Speaking for an operator, and as a long-time responsible person for applying traffic engineering to a global network, I support adoption of this document at the SPRING wg. Best regards, Martin Am 16.05.18 um 17:20 schrieb Rob Shakir: > Hi SPRING WG, > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item > by *30th May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from > working group members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the > ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the > authors. > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and > its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to > me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers > traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional > clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome > to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask > the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope > of this document. > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can > be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific > suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this > discussed with the working group. > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a > "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to > achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on > this document. > > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------8C2C340145771DF0806009FA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Speaking for an operator, and as a long-time responsible person for applying traffic engineering to a global network, I support adoption of this document at the SPRING wg.

Best regards, Martin


Am 16.05.18 um 17:20 schrieb Rob Shakir:
Hi SPRING WG,

This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this draft.

As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors.

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group.

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors.

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this document.

Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.


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--------------8C2C340145771DF0806009FA-- From nobody Thu May 17 01:29:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C87F12DA07 for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 01:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ok-nGRku_1mM for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 01:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl2.lab.dtag.de (Owl2.lab.DTAG.DE [194.25.1.238]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B83C129C6C for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 01:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by owl2.lab.dtag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4F4C6FA9; Thu, 17 May 2018 10:29:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from TSUNAMI-Boggart-8.lab.DTAG.de (o-Boggart.lab.dtag.de [62.153.176.78]) by owl2.lab.dtag.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59785C6791; Thu, 17 May 2018 10:29:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Horneffer To: Rob Shakir , SPRING WG List References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:29:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B34E7AC7566F8A1589856A29" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 08:29:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B34E7AC7566F8A1589856A29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document. Best regards, Martin Am 16.05.18 um 17:20 schrieb Rob Shakir: > Hi SPRING WG, > > In parallel to the call for adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to > poll for IPR. > > If you are aware of IPR that applies > to draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respond to this > email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and > 5378 provide more details). > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not > an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are > aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > This document will not advance into the working group until IPR > confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors. > > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------B34E7AC7566F8A1589856A29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this document.

Best regards, Martin

Am 16.05.18 um 17:20 schrieb Rob Shakir:
Hi SPRING WG,

In parallel to the call for adoption for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).

If you are an author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

This document will not advance into the working group until IPR confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors.

Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.


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Rob Shakir wrote: > Hi SPRING WG, > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item > by *30th May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from > working group members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the > ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic > into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of > whether this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the > relationship with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to > consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can > be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific > suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this > discussed with the working group. > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" > section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would > be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on > this document. > > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > From nobody Fri May 18 06:34:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6273C12D952 for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 06:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gAWCGnwiSJyO for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot0-x234.google.com (mail-ot0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BFFA12D948 for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot0-x234.google.com with SMTP id t1-v6so9072005ott.13 for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 06:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cmzZy4d50PmJo6q8Uypgdov5ldV9MX4wGPDWYdx4sT4=; b=Bslod7+ZFHh2UooLjOpjVyJ9PKB8s62EafYm/o6KU0OxyBpaO3zRGaDqXv85WHzU43 PI6mY99HiaXNlt+5FjQlovJqDi+XVIOo+hqqhfW1j3bpJh+joYG+cQZs476XSFBPq6rU ETSZpiPOkZJddqbWIl6nuWzl+jUqtGIPgiiUeBEY4qZUb4TWQX3kvn1tzy9MdT9YDbEY 4jPEbOIwoU/DJx8ozzRqL91J+hC8a7CTIv8eTLN0+0hwX9CBNhvuIz1zyQh0VIO0t2fl oxTcb3+hY7cIET0REYlcWsy+8ySTt3mCoZDsyfIlg31RHwbB3olyvvgmbTyvoS6IUoB6 PWdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cmzZy4d50PmJo6q8Uypgdov5ldV9MX4wGPDWYdx4sT4=; b=gXwL+SPocFcsz2kniXhvIKTsuLQ+VGgY203vaEFUI7BMICSFO9vPD5Y16JtiR57JQO Ba5Ff5diT8OMa9WRACzoIVrz/ycGsYhYWHBfUFQ0BJAqQzUEgZ5Kldld1KmHNUsjAxXN frt6BE8/mlnq+7PWQBjMC/MY6ub8M7lHiRjrBQy3y/0Dfz01XEm5qGbKbAy3UB/GRwTt hCoZTh110qmaCOaZhJpBFQvjvfuCFyTVp4ZiQ2RlU/w0JbhomN1jTJ5Gu+qWS4kG+WlZ vmDrRTjPW9HzvJoFCPzljQFna9qDvDbLFD1u7I3PG4p9ej1PcXNflRyWIstfJwqtUXsS akNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwegj9df44wsrN0d/3GxKqBq0QkjtSy5MSixO8RTHjbMVFaakkRX qhDVjjvp7/4rqzgRw4v686rb2ueTIZczZwoSveg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqQHL9Dhja7FPRzNTKTE6MYJJKNAKhx+n+MFO2b1+Igbo4Kvdc76l6noAxkiXJC7hgx812WfagKAqKxCxVFFgE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:1811:: with SMTP id b17-v6mr6747488ote.393.1526650455851; Fri, 18 May 2018 06:34:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.58.196 with HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2018 06:34:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Mohan Nanduri Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:34:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: Rob Shakir Cc: SPRING WG List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 13:34:19 -0000 I Support WG adoption. Cheers, -Mohan On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Rob Shakir wrote: > Hi SPRING WG, > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your support, > or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May > 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group members > that are not co-authors of this draft. > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs > and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into > policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether > this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship > with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether > sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be > make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions > that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the > working group. > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. Please > trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if > required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 > editors as the front-page authors. > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this > document. > > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > From nobody Fri May 18 08:33:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4112DA4F for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dRpRnnjK_nMm for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 08:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com 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AQHT7r0GJ+pnC4jvI0GOwqw+NYV8YaQ1nZwQ Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 15:33:28 +0000 Message-ID: <7624_1526657609_5AFEF249_7624_358_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A4BC00@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <152665736985.1647.10590809528251529046@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <152665736985.1647.10590809528251529046@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] FW: IPR Disclosure Cisco's Statement about IPR related to draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 15:33:35 -0000 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<11090_1526487312_5AFC5910_11090_188_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A4899A@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: cfilsfil Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 09:28:59 -0000 Not aware of any IPR other than already disclosed. Cheers, Clarence On 16/05/2018 18:15, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: > [+ authors] > > I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft > > --Bruno > > *From:*spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Rob Shakir > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:20 PM > *To:* SPRING WG List > *Subject:* [spring] IPR Poll for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > Hi SPRING WG, > > In parallel to the call for adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to poll > for IPR. > > If you are aware of IPR that applies > to draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respond to this > email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and > 5378 provide more details). > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an > author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware > of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > This document will not advance into the working group until IPR > confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors. > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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12:53:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11090_1526487312_5AFC5910_11090_188_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A4899A@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: From: Przemyslaw Krol Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 12:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Siva Sivabalan (msiva)" Cc: bruno.decraene@orange.com, Rob Shakir , spring@ietf.org, draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000efe24f056ca88aaa" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 19:53:50 -0000 --000000000000efe24f056ca88aaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft. thanks, pk On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 5:48 AM Siva Sivabalan (msiva) wrote: > I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft. > > > > Thanks, > > Siva > > > > *From:* bruno.decraene@orange.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:15 PM > *To:* Rob Shakir > *Cc:* SPRING WG List ; > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: [spring] IPR Poll for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > [+ authors] > > > > I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft > > > > --Bruno > > > > *From:* spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Rob Shakir > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:20 PM > *To:* SPRING WG List > *Subject:* [spring] IPR Poll for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > In parallel to the call for adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to poll for > IPR. > > > > If you are aware of IPR that applies > to draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respond to this > email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 > provide more details). > > > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an > author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > > > This document will not advance into the working group until IPR > confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I am not aware of any IPR applicable to this draft.

thanks,
pk

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 5:48 AM Siva Sivabalan (msiva= ) <msiva@cisco.com> wrote:
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I am not aware of any IPR applicable = to this draft.

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Thanks,

Siva

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From: bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.decraene@oran= ge.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:15 PM
To: Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>
Cc: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>; draft-filsfils-spring-segm= ent-routing-policy@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-rou= ting-policy

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[+ authors]

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I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this dr= aft

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--Bruno

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From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rob Shakir
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:20 PM
To: SPRING WG List
Subject: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing= -policy

=C2=A0

Hi SPRING WG,=

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In parallel to the call for adopti= on for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy, we would like to = poll for IPR.

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If you are aware of IPR that appli= es to=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy please respond to t= his email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been dis= closed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).

=C2=A0

If you are an author or contrib= utor=C2=A0please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you= 're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please e= xplicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

=C2=A0

This document will not advance int= o the working group until IPR confirmations have been received from all aut= hors and contributors.

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Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

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Message-ID: <5B02813E.2080005@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 10:20:14 +0200 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "spring@ietf.org" References: <152638007574.3803.11805302688699882402@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <152638007574.3803.11805302688699882402@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-00.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 08:20:21 -0000 Hi, IGP Flex-Algo draft has been published as an LSR WG document. I would appreciate feedback from the SPRING WG. thanks, Peter On 15/05/18 12:27 , internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Link State Routing WG of the IETF. > > Title : IGP Flexible Algorithm > Authors : Peter Psenak > Shraddha Hegde > Clarence Filsfils > Ketan Talaulikar > Arkadiy Gulko > Filename : draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-00.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2018-05-15 > > Abstract: > IGP protocols traditionally compute best paths over the network based > on the IGP metric assigned to the links. Many network deployments > use RSVP-TE based or Segment Routing based Traffic Engineering to > enforce traffic over a path that is computed using different metrics > or constraints than the shortest IGP path. This document proposes a > solution that allows IGPs themselves to compute constraint based > paths over the network. This document also specifies a way of using > Segment Routing Prefix-SIDs to steer packets along the constraint- > based paths. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr > . > From nobody Mon May 21 01:40:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F937126C89; Mon, 21 May 2018 01:40:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152689200539.23105.5588514336024518571@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 01:40:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 08:40:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Policy Architecture Authors : Clarence Filsfils Siva Sivabalan Shraddha Hegde Daniel Voyer Steven Lin Alex Bogdanov Przemyslaw Krol Martin Horneffer Dirk Steinberg Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Paul Mattes Zafar Ali Ketan Talaulikar Jose Liste Francois Clad Kamran Raza Filename : draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2018-05-21 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows a headend node to steer a packet flow along any path. Intermediate per-flow states are eliminated thanks to source routing. The headend node steers a flow into an SR Policy. The header of a packet steered in an SR Policy is augmented with the ordered list of segments associated with that SR Policy. This document details the concepts of SR Policy and steering into an SR Policy. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="UTF-8" Ketan, Thanks for the work on this -- this is definitely a good step to moving towards these documents being clearer and more addressable. Just FYI, there is still an outstanding point around the authors for the document under review here (draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy). Kind regards, r. On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:44 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hello Chairs/All, > > > > At the IETF London and afterwards over the mailing list, the chairs have > asked us to split the SR Policy draft into sub-documents to allow for > faster proceeding of the core concepts. As asked and discussed, the authors > have proceeded to split draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 as > follows: > > > > 1) The core architecture of SR Policy has been published > > as draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06. > > 2) The section 13 on traffic counters has been moved to an existing > draft and a new version of draft-ali-spring-sr-traffic-accounting-01 has > been posted > , > accordingly. > > 3) The contents of section 14, the Appendix, and a few other sections > have been published > > as a new informational draft, > draft-filsfils-spring-sr-policy-considerations-00. > > > > Please let know if you have any questions or feedback. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan (on behalf of authors of > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy) > > > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Rob Shakir > *Sent:* 16 May 2018 20:50 > *To:* SPRING WG List > *Subject:* [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th > May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group > members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs > and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into > policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether > this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship > with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether > sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be > make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions > that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the > working group. > > > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" > section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be > to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > --00000000000081dc7f056cb8bbab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ketan,

Thanks for the work on this -- t= his is definitely a good step to moving towards these documents being clear= er and more addressable.

Just FYI, there is still = an outstanding point around the authors for the document under review here = (draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy).=C2=A0

<= div>Kind regards,
r.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:44 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &l= t;ketant@cisco.com> wrote:

Hello Chairs/All,

=C2=A0

At the IETF London and= afterwards over the mailing list, the chairs have asked us to split the SR= Policy draft into sub-documents to allow for faster proceeding of the core concepts. As asked and discussed, the authors have = proceeded to split draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 as follo= ws:

=C2=A0

1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The core architec= ture of SR Policy has been published as draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06.

2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The section 13 on= traffic counters has been moved to an existing draft and a new version of = draft-ali-spring-sr-traffic-accounting-01 has been posted, accordingly.

3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The contents of s= ection 14, the Appendix, and a few other sections have been published as a new informational draft,=C2=A0 draft-filsfils-spring-sr-= policy-considerations-00.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please let know if you= have any questions or feedback.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /span>

Ketan (on behalf of au= thors of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy)=

=C2=A0

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rob Shakir
Sent: 16 May 2018 20:50
To: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spr= ing-segment-routing-policy

=C2=A0

Hi SPRING WG,

=C2=A0

This email initiates a two week call for working gro= up adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please i= ndicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working gr= oup item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from workin= g group members that are not co-authors of this draft.

=C2=A0

As part of the discussions of adopting this draft in= to SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of reque= sts to the authors.

=C2=A0

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with = "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering fun= ctions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selec= ts and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the cas= e (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other wor= k is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4= are required scope of this document.

=C2=A0

2.. Consider what the core content of this document = is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some= specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this = discussed with the working group.

=C2=A0

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed = on this document. Please trim this to <=3D 5 front-page authors, utilisi= ng a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An appro= ach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors.

=C2=A0

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IP= R call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR = position on this document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

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For example, section 4.2.2  specifies preference rules. Another example is the last two paragraphs in section 4.2.1. Hence I do not think it can be informational. A third example is section 4.2 which requires the existence of one SRMS in order for SR-only to speak to LDP-only routers But I agree that a more crisp description of SRMS is warranted. I will add a section describing the SRMS functionality and specifying what to do when receiving both prefix-SID sub-tlv and SRMS advertisements in the next version, which I plan to send out in the next few days Ahmed On 5/14/18 1:01 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review result: Ready with Issues > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 > Reviewer: Joel Halpern > Review Date: 2018-05-14 > IETF LC End Date: 2018-05-24 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: This document appears to be ready for publication as an RFC. The > question of whether it is an Informational RFC or a Proposed Standards track > RFC is one that the ADs should examine. > > Major issues: > This document is quite readable, and quite useful. If my reading below > (minor comment about section 4.2) is wrong, then everything is fine. > However, reading the text, it does not appear to define SRMS. Rather, it > describes a good way to use SRMS to achive smooth SR - LDP integration and > migration. As such, this seems to me to be a really good Informational > Document. > > Minor issues: > Section 4.2 states that it defines the SRMS (Segment Routing Mapping > Server). Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they point to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 as the > defining source for the SRMS. And that document does appear to define the > SRMS. > > Nits/editorial comments: > > From nobody Mon May 21 09:13:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F5F12E8D3; Mon, 21 May 2018 09:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cDsfST0uEm9p; Mon, 21 May 2018 09:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb1.tigertech.net (mailb1.tigertech.net [208.80.4.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12B8D128959; Mon, 21 May 2018 09:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735DD4038A; Mon, 21 May 2018 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1526919193; bh=kekTtZIrVJ+DASwmhRaQJ0NYVHhhuoDCrv3OTODpERM=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=JSn7Hr3XKUxt/QxMA7mNwOe4Dupze+tiA369L8/6uMq4O7L3+gyv8ZSYGf7sbaU3M B2xu770tC+xsj4nCeDtumu0HMpk3BI1BRj89lfClM4SW//xX9HN9e/LpGYE+/F0ZcW zSYYcgar8IweViH8F4F5XCBlCj5eOSBLvulyi1Fs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailb1.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb1.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D77BD408B6; Mon, 21 May 2018 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Ahmed Bashandy , gen-art@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org, spring@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org References: <152632807068.10078.4478550408904407310@ietfa.amsl.com> <4022c55b-e3f9-2b3d-079e-6eb5acb2e08a@gmail.com> From: Joel Halpern Direct Message-ID: <5e9a4f57-15a0-19f0-d88a-6cf7dcc704a7@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 12:13:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4022c55b-e3f9-2b3d-079e-6eb5acb2e08a@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 16:13:28 -0000 Thank you. I apologize for missing the other normative items. With those, plus the elaboration on the SRMS, the status as PS makes good sense. Yours, Joel On 5/21/18 11:45 AM, Ahmed Bashandy wrote: > Thanks a lot for the review > > The document specifies externally visible behavior that must be > implemented by routers, otherwise SR and LDP routers cannot talk to each > other. For example, section 4.2.2  specifies preference rules. Another > example is the last two paragraphs in section 4.2.1. Hence I do not > think it can be informational. A third example is section 4.2 which > requires the existence of one SRMS in order for SR-only to speak to > LDP-only routers > > But I agree that a more crisp description of SRMS is warranted. I will > add a section describing the SRMS functionality and specifying what to > do when receiving both prefix-SID sub-tlv and SRMS advertisements in the > next version, which I plan to send out in the next few days > > > Ahmed > > > > On 5/14/18 1:01 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: >> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >> Review result: Ready with Issues >> >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >> by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just >> like any other last call comments. >> >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >> >> . >> >> Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 >> Reviewer: Joel Halpern >> Review Date: 2018-05-14 >> IETF LC End Date: 2018-05-24 >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >> >> Summary: This document appears to be ready for publication as an RFC. >> The >> question of whether it is an Informational RFC or a Proposed Standards >> track >> RFC is one that the ADs should examine. >> >> Major issues: >>      This document is quite readable, and quite useful.  If my reading >> below >>      (minor comment about section 4.2) is wrong, then everything is fine. >>      However, reading the text, it does not appear to define SRMS. >> Rather, it >>      describes a good way to use SRMS to achive smooth SR - LDP >> integration and >>      migration.  As such, this seems to me to be a really good >> Informational >>      Document. >> >> Minor issues: >>      Section 4.2 states that it defines the SRMS (Segment Routing Mapping >>      Server).  Looking at the relevant routing protocol document, they >> point to >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution-05 >> as the >>      defining source for the SRMS.  And that document does appear to >> define the >>      SRMS. >> >> Nits/editorial comments: >> >> > From nobody Tue May 22 00:06:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE5612EAB8; Tue, 22 May 2018 00:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, 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([2601:646:9300:3021:6450:1d76:e094:60b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e87-v6sm43206880pfl.65.2018.05.23.04.17.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 May 2018 04:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-AE21D167-DFEA-4C4C-953A-25BABA4C0CF0 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gaurav Dawra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 04:17:16 -0700 Cc: spring@ietf.org, tsv-art@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <40ED2C86-3403-4D89-8CA8-FBB9651BF2AB@gmail.com> <6dd41180-83bd-c02e-1783-df873e749941@gmail.com> To: Martin Stiemerling Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] TSV-ART review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-08 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 11:17:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail-AE21D167-DFEA-4C4C-953A-25BABA4C0CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin, Thanks for the review. Any further comments here ? I will post the new versi= on soon. Cheers, Gaurav Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Gaurav Dawra wrote: >=20 > Hi Martin, >=20 > Apologies from my end we had few internal authors conversations on the poi= nts you have raised. >=20 > Please find below my response. I will be happy to discuss further, if need= ed. >=20 > inline... >=20 >> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling wrote= : >>=20 >> Hi Gaurav, >>=20 >> This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these mess= ages out of my sight... :-/ >>=20 >>> Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra: >>> Hey Martin, >>> Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inline[Gaurav] >>>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hi all, >>>>=20 >>>> I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review team's= ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written pr= imarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's a= uthors for their information and to allow them to address any issues raised.= When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this r= eview together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please always= CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review. >>>>=20 >>>> Summary: >>>> This draft has serious issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Se= ction3, described in the review, and needs to be rethought. The other sectio= ns are good AFAIK. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Technicals: >>>> The overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange and= need a fix before publication IMHO: >>>>=20 >>>> Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well proven= funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are some sort d= iscussing that different paths in the network could be used by the end host t= raffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware Networking Proposed Rese= arch Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there is no c= ommonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space. >>>>=20 >>>> Section 7.1: >>>> [KANDULA04] is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up in r= ecent times and even worse there is no evidence that this is going to work g= ood enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is= more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation will react to this >>> [Gaurav] Will get back on this. >>=20 >> I will reply to the other email dicussing this. > I have replied to other thread. >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Section 7.2: >>>> This section describes an idea without detailing too much about any fur= ther aspects. Further it changes the commonly accepted notion of what an end= host can do with the network. At best this would require a good definition o= f what an end host in your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at l= east) software that usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?) >>>> Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a central p= oint is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated when reporte= d by any node. >>> [Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is de= fined in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15) c= an influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with t= he controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- localize= d control is allowed at Host based on performance data collection. >>=20 >> Performance data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to t= imely (actually real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't just about p= erformance data collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this s= eems to try to interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This i= sn't even close to acceptable. >>=20 >> I would be ok to say that it is useful to collect performance data for of= fline analysis and improvement of the data network. However, this is at comp= letely different magnitues of time scales. >>=20 >> I would recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely. > Ack, will update in next rev: >=20 > Section will read like this: >=20 > ; > =20 > Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, the end host may > deduce certain characteristics of the path on its own, and > additionally use the information supplied with path information > pushed from the controller or received via pull request. The host > may further share its path observations with the centralized agent, > so that the latter may keep up-to-date network health map to assist > other hosts with this information. > =20 > For example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined > to HostZ via Spine node Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The > application A.1 may collect information on packet loss, deduced from > Other offline mechanisms. [There are some pingMesh mechanisms which=20= > Can be used here] > =20 > Through these mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g. > after a flow completes, or periodically for longer lived flows. > Next, using both local and/or global performance data, application > A.1 as well as other applications sharing the same resources in the > DC fabric may pick up the best path for the new flow, or update an > existing path (e.g.: when informed of congestion on an existing > path). > =20 > ; >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Section 3, 3rd bullet point: >>>> It is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black box= and that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current state o= f the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you mention SRTT, MSS= , CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all paths exhibit this a= nd if not what is going to happen? >>>> It could be an interesting research field to change many points in TCP'= s behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF wo= rks but IRTF or elsewhere. >>> [Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly treat= ing Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance metrics a= s not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting? >>=20 >>=20 >> I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't the= place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is something the network coul= d decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or changing the forwa= rding path in the network for particular flows (if it is not routed). >=20 > Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd bullet p= oint. Will update in next rev - coming shortly. >=20 >>=20 >> Kind regards, >>=20 >> Martin >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-AE21D167-DFEA-4C4C-953A-25BABA4C0CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin,

Thanks for th= e review. Any further comments here ? I will post the new version soon.

Cheers,

Gaurav

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On May 16, 2018, at 7= :44 PM, Gaurav Dawra <gdawra.iet= f@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Martin,

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Apologies from my end we had few= internal authors conversations on the points you have raised.
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Please find below my response. I will b= e happy to discuss further, if needed.

<Gaurav> inline...

On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Mar= tin Stiemerling <mls.iet= f@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Gaurav,

This got lost o= n my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these messages out of my sig= ht... :-/

Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav D= awra:
Hey Martin,
Sorry for late reply. Please see so= me comments inline[Gaurav]
On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stie= merling <mls.ietf@gmail.= com <mailto:mls.ietf= @gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area r= eview team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments wer= e written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the d= ocument's authors for their information and to allow them to address any iss= ues raised. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should cons= ider this review together with any other last-call comments they receive. Pl= ease always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review.

Summary:
This draft has serious issue= s in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Section3, described in the review, a= nd needs to be rethought. The other sections are good AFAIK.
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Technicals:
The overall draft loo= ks ok, but the three points below look strange and need a fix before publica= tion IMHO:

Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are de= scribing ideas, but not well proven funcationality and not even safe to use f= unctionality. Both are some sort discussing that different paths in the netw= ork could be used by the end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the P= ath Aware Networking Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there= is no commonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space.<= br class=3D"">
Section 7.1:
[KANDULA04] is a rea= lly old reference that hasn't been followed up in recent times and even wors= e there is no evidence that this is going to work good enough or stable enou= gh under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is more than unclear how an= y modern TCP implementation will react to this
[Gaurav] Will get back on this.

I will rep= ly to the other email dicussing this.
<Gaurav> I have replied to other t= hread.


Section 7.2:
This section de= scribes an idea without detailing too much about any further aspects. Furthe= r it changes the commonly accepted notion of what an end host can do with th= e network. At best this would require a good definition of what an end host i= n your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at least) software that= usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?)
Further= communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a central point is pote= ntially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated when reported by any nod= e.
[Gaurav] I b= elieve Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is defined in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15) c= an influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with t= he controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- localize= d control is allowed at Host based on performance data collection.

Performanc= e data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to timely (actua= lly real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't just about performance d= ata collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this seems to try t= o interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This isn't even cl= ose to acceptable.

I would be ok to say that it= is useful to collect performance data for offline analysis and improvement o= f the data network. However, this is at completely different magnitues of ti= me scales.

I would recommend to remove the TCP p= art from this section entirely.
<Gaurav>Ack, will update in next re= v:

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Section will read like this:

;
 
   Knowing the path associated with flo=
ws/packets, the end host may
   deduce certain charac=
teristics of the path on its own, and
= 
   additionally=
 use the information supplied with path information
  =
 pushed from the controller or received via pull request.  The host
   may further share its path observations with the centr=
alized agent,
   so that the latter may keep up-to-da=
te network health map to assist
   other hosts with t=
his information.
 
   For example, an application A.1 at H=
ostA may pin a flow destined
   to HostZ via Spine no=
de Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The<=
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   application A.1 may=
 collect information on packet loss, deduced from<=
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   Other offline mec=
hanisms.  [There are some pingMesh mechanisms which 
   Can b=
e used here]
 
    Through these mechanisms informat=
ion to a centralized agent, e.g.
   after a flow compl=
etes, or periodically for longer lived flows.
   Next=
, using both local and/or global performance data, application
=
   A.1 as well as other applications sharing the same resources in=
 the
   DC fabric may pick up the best path for the ne=
w flow, or update an
   existing path (e.g.: when inf=
ormed of congestion on an existing
   path).
 
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Section 3, 3rd bullet point:
It is the foundation of TCP th= at the network is regarded as a black box and that you infer from the transm= ission of packets what the current state of the network path is. Inferring n= etwork path metrics (you mention SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this wo= uld required that all paths exhibit this and if not what is going to happen?=
It could be an interesting research field to change many poin= ts in TCP's behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not t= he IETF works but IRTF or elsewhere.
[Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that T= CP is rightly treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path p= erformance metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are sugge= sting?


I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point comp= letey. TCP isn't the place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is someth= ing the network could decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network o= r changing the forwarding path in the network for particular flows (if it is= not routed).

= <Gaurav> Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd bul= let point. Will update in next rev - coming shortly.


Kind regards,

 Martin

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SMTP id x140-v6mr6581891itc.14.1527106074086; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:07:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8cbae99d657e40fb95eaeed78ce3f724@XCH-RCD-010.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8cbae99d657e40fb95eaeed78ce3f724@XCH-RCD-010.cisco.com> From: Gniewomir Krol Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 13:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: To: robjs@google.com Cc: spring@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000014b7aa056ce517fc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 20:07:57 -0000 --00000000000014b7aa056ce517fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Support thanks, pkrol@google.com On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:43 AM Jose Liste (jliste) wrote: > Support as co-author > > > > Regards, > > Jose > > > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Rob Shakir > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:20 AM > *To:* SPRING WG List > *Subject:* [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th > May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group > members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs > and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into > policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether > this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship > with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether > sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be > make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions > that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the > working group. > > > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" > section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be > to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --00000000000014b7aa056ce517fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sup= port

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On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:43 AM Jose Liste (jliste) <jliste@cisco.com> wrote:

Support as co-author

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Regards,

Jose

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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rob Shakir
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:20 AM
To: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spr= ing-segment-routing-policy

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Hi SPRING WG,

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This email initiates a two week call for working gro= up adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please i= ndicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working gr= oup item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interested in hearing from workin= g group members that are not co-authors of this draft.

=C2=A0

As part of the discussions of adopting this draft in= to SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of reque= sts to the authors.

=C2=A0

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with = "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering fun= ctions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selec= ts and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the cas= e (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other wor= k is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4= are required scope of this document.

=C2=A0

2.. Consider what the core content of this document = is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some= specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this = discussed with the working group.

=C2=A0

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed = on this document. Please trim this to <=3D 5 front-page authors, utilisi= ng a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An appro= ach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors.

=C2=A0

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IP= R call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR = position on this document.

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Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

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--00000000000014b7aa056ce517fc-- From nobody Thu May 24 08:45:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD312EAB7; Thu, 24 May 2018 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Takeshi Takahashi To: Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop.all@ietf.org, spring@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152717671174.29916.15871063863957499908@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 08:45:11 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-11 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 15:45:12 -0000 Reviewer: Takeshi Takahashi Review result: Ready I have only minor comments. The section said that security issues in this document are mostly inherited from the underlying techniques/specs. Some pointers to RFC documents describing the security issues of MPLS dataplane, routing protocols, and so on (if any) could help readers. Having these pointers in this section will not harm readers. Some typo: In Section 1: "co- exist" (unnecessary space)-> "co-exist" In Section 2.1: "switches it our" -> "switches it out" Spelling out is appreciated: LDP and FEC Clarification question: Regarding the paragraph "P6 does not have an LDP binding from its next-hop P5 for the FEC "PE1". However P6 has an SR node segment to the IGP route "PE1". Hence, P6 forwards the packet to P5 and swaps its local LDP-label for FEC "PE1" by the equivalent node segment (i.e. 101)."(in Section 4.1), I have got the impression that the behavior of P6 is not defined by any other specs (incl, LDP) and is a behavior this document newly defines, correct? If it is correct, must P6 support this behavior? or is it just optional? I am not familiar with these routing protocols, thus clarification is appreciated. 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Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version yet, = and send your comments to the list, no later than *June 08*. As a reminder, this document had already passed a WGLC more than a year ago= on version -06 [2], had been sent to the AD but then returned to the WG. Since then, the document has significantly changed, so please read it again= . In particular, it now includes the resolution in case of incoming label c= ollision. Hence it killed draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution. Both co-chairs co-author this document, hence: - Shraddha has agreed to be the document shepherd. Thank you Shraddha. - Martin, our AD, has agreed to evaluate the WG consensus. 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Hello Working Group,
    
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on dr=
aft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 [1] which is considered mature and =
ready for a final working group review.
    
Please read this document if you haven't read the=
 most recent version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than=
 *June 08*.
 
As a reminder, this document had already passed a=
 WGLC more than a year ago on version -06 [2], had been sent to the AD but =
then returned to the WG.
Since then, the document has significantly change=
d, so please read it again. In particular, it now includes the resolution i=
n case of incoming label collision. Hence it killed draft-ietf-spring-confl=
ict-resolution.
 
Both co-chairs co-author this document, hence:
- Shraddha has agreed to be the document shepherd=
. Thank you Shraddha.
- Martin, our AD, has agreed to evaluate the WG c=
onsensus.
    
Thank you,
Bruno, Rob
 
[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/m=
sg/spring/STiYsQJWuVXA1C9hK4BiUnyMu7Y
 
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--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53592OPEXCLILM21corp_-- From nobody Thu May 24 10:22:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A0B1270FC; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4dc5KsASC3F4; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta134.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F5412421A; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.68]) by opfednr26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4344D20630; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.59]) by opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 255D640060; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILM43.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::ec23:902:c31f:731c%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0389.001; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:22:19 +0200 From: To: "mpls@ietf.org" CC: SPRING WG List Thread-Topic: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 Thread-Index: AdPzgj45KwPIKnTMSDy4d61puK5luwAAIUqQ Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 17:22:19 +0000 Message-ID: <31802_1527182540_5B06F4CC_31802_327_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53639@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <28960_1527182067_5B06F2F3_28960_194_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53592@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <28960_1527182067_5B06F2F3_28960_194_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53592@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53639OPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] FW: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 17:22:26 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53639OPEXCLILM21corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi MPLS WG, MPLS chairs, The SPRING WG is starting the working group last call on draft-ietf-spring-= segment-routing-mpls-13. This document instantiates the generic segment routing architecture on the = MPLS data plane. This document is expected to be in line with the MPLS architecture and to n= ot change the MPLS data plane. You may want to review it. Please send your comments to the _SPRING_ mailin= g list. Thank you, Bruno From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:14 PM To: SPRING WG List Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 Hello Working Group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-spring-segment-ro= uting-mpls-13 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working = group review. Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version yet, = and send your comments to the list, no later than *June 08*. As a reminder, this document had already passed a WGLC more than a year ago= on version -06 [2], had been sent to the AD but then returned to the WG. Since then, the document has significantly changed, so please read it again= . In particular, it now includes the resolution in case of incoming label c= ollision. Hence it killed draft-ietf-spring-conflict-resolution. Both co-chairs co-author this document, hence: - Shraddha has agreed to be the document shepherd. Thank you Shraddha. - Martin, our AD, has agreed to evaluate the WG consensus. Thank you, Bruno, Rob [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/STiYsQJWuVXA1C9hK4BiUnyMu7Y ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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Hi MPLS WG, MP= LS chairs,

 

The SPRING WG = is starting the working group last call on draft-ietf-spring-segment-routin= g-mpls-13.

 

This document = instantiates the generic segment routing architecture on the MPLS data plan= e.

This document = is expected to be in line with the MPLS architecture and to not change the = MPLS data plane.

 

You may want t= o review it. Please send your comments to the _SPRING_ mailing list.=

 

Thank you,

Bruno

 

From:<= /b> bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:b= runo.decraene@orange.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:14 PM
To: SPRING WG List
Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org
Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13<= o:p>

 

Hello Working Group,
    
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on dr=
aft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 [1] which is considered mature and =
ready for a final working group review.
    
Please read this document if you haven't read the=
 most recent version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than=
 *June 08*.
 
As a reminder, this document had already passed a=
 WGLC more than a year ago on version -06 [2], had been sent to the AD but =
then returned to the WG.
Since then, the document has significantly change=
d, so please read it again. In particular, it now includes the resolution i=
n case of incoming label collision. Hence it killed draft-ietf-spring-confl=
ict-resolution.
 
Both co-chairs co-author this document, hence:
- Shraddha has agreed to be the document shepherd=
. Thank you Shraddha.
- Martin, our AD, has agreed to evaluate the WG c=
onsensus.
    
Thank you,
Bruno, Rob
 
[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/m=
sg/spring/STiYsQJWuVXA1C9hK4BiUnyMu7Y
 
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--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53639OPEXCLILM21corp_-- From nobody Thu May 24 10:28:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6DB12DA06; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:28:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vQA_iN4Xia2e; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta134.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 667BB12E957; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr00.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.64]) by opfednr26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 267CD207F3; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.61]) by opfednr00.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 093101A0086; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILM7E.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b91c:ea2c:ac8a:7462%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0389.001; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:28:13 +0200 From: To: SPRING WG List , "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR Poll for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls Thread-Index: AdPzhJdrsoF55Oz8Rs2tGTPM6xdQkw== Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 17:28:13 +0000 Message-ID: <10974_1527182894_5B06F62E_10974_441_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0OPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 17:28:18 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0OPEXCLILM21corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi SPRING WG, In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we woul= d like to poll for IPR. If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-m= pls please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate = whether it has been disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378= provide more details). If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email regardle= ss of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or c= ontributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has= not yet been disclosed. This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been received f= rom all authors and contributors. Thanks, Bruno & Rob. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been = modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0OPEXCLILM21corp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi SPRING WG,<= /o:p>

 

In parallel to the = WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for = IPR.

 

If you are aware of= IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond = to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been

disclosed in accord= ance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more detai= ls).

 

If you are an *auth= or or contributor* please respond to this email regardless of whether or no= t you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR tha= t has not yet been disclosed.

 

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Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.=

 

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--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0OPEXCLILM21corp_-- From nobody Thu May 24 10:40:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F6312EAD6; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PTXhs31gcycm; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta135.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A708B12EACE; Thu, 24 May 2018 10:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr05.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.69]) by opfednr25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0C74318063B; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.18]) by opfednr05.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 23BFA20057; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:40:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cba:56d0:a732:ef5a%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0389.001; Thu, 24 May 2018 19:40:08 +0200 From: To: "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org" CC: SPRING WG List Thread-Topic: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 Thread-Index: AdPzgj45KwPIKnTMSDy4d61puK5luwAAyvdQ Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 17:40:08 +0000 Message-ID: <13758_1527183609_5B06F8F9_13758_220_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53780@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <28960_1527182067_5B06F2F3_28960_194_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53592@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <28960_1527182067_5B06F2F3_28960_194_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53592@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53780OPEXCLILM21corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 17:40:17 -0000 --_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A53780OPEXCLILM21corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi authors, I've reviewed the document. It looks good, thanks for your effort. Please find below some comments, nothing major. Thanks for considering them as part of the WG LC. Thanks, Regards, Bruno --- Somewhere in Abstract/1. Introduction/2. MPLS Instantiation of Segment Rout= ing MPLS Instantiation of Segment Routing is sometimes referred to with two dif= ferent names: MPLS-SR or SR-MPLS which seems sub-optimal. [I.D.-ietf-spring-segment-routing] uses the term SR-MPLS. May this term sho= uld also be used at least once in this document. --- =A72.2 "using the SRGB of the node" Please expand SRGB on first used. (in -13, this term is expand on =A72.3 wh= ich is after) --- =A72.3 OLD: Just like SRGB, the SRLB need not be a single contiguous range of label, except the SRGB MUST only be used to instantiate global SIDs into the MPLS forwarding plane. NEW: Just like SRGB, the SRLB need not be a single contiguous range of label. (simplify the sentence. The rule is already stated before in this section) --- [SRLB] "Hence it is specified the same way and follows the same rules SRGB is specified above in this sub-section." Sentence is not crystal clear and could probably be rephrased. More importantly, the sentence is incorrect: the SRLB does not follow the l= ast SRGB rules ( "The list of label ranges MUST only be used to instantiate= global SIDs into the MPLS forwarding plane") ------ =A72.4 "0 =3D< I < size." "size =3D Lh(1)- Ll(1) + 1 + Lh(2)- Ll(2) + 1 + ... + Lh(k)- Ll(k) + 1" Algorithm looks good to me. Yet starting the index at 0 for SID index, and = 1 for SRGB sub-blocks may be slightly misleading. "Lh(1)- Ll(1)" seems only= defined in this document so an option would be to start with "Lh(0)- Ll(0)= " (this would impact the algo: :s/j =3D 1/ j =3D 0) Up to you. ------ =A72.5 OLD: MPLS Incoming Label MAP NEW: MPLS Incoming Label Map (as per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3031#section-3.11 ) -- OLD: o (Endpoint, Color) representing an SR policy [I.D. filsfils-spring-s= egment-routing-policy] NEW: o an SR policy [I.D.-ietf-spring-segment-routing] (Otherwise, this would likely require a _Normative_ reference to I.D. filsf= ils-spring-segment-routing-policy which would significantly delay the RFC p= ublication of this document. While [I.D.-ietf-spring-segment-routing is alr= eady in the RFC editor queue and does define a SR policy. ) -- OLD: o (Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm), where a topology is identified by a set of links with metrics. For the purpose of incoming label collision resolution, the same numerical value SHOULD be used on all routers to identify the same set of links with metrics. (It's not crystal clear what "numerical value" refers to, given the list (P= refix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm)) NEW1: o (Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm), where a topology is identified by a set of links with metrics. For the purpose of incoming label collision resolution, the same Topology numerical value SHOULD be used on all routers to identify the same set of links with metrics. NEW2: o (Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm). A Topology identifies a set of links with metrics. For the purpose of incoming label collision resolution, the same Topology numerical value SHOULD be used on all routers to identify the same set of links with metrics. ----- =A72.5.1 " o All addresses are represented in 128 bits as follows . IPv6 address is encoded natively . IPv4 address is encoded in the most significant bits and the remaining bits are set to zero o All prefixes are represented by 128. . A prefix is encoded in the most significant bits and the remaining bits are set to zero. . The prefix length is encoded before the prefix" "All prefixes are represented by 128." 128 what? Could be bits, but this does not fit with the addition of the pre= fix length. "The prefix length is encoded before the prefix" using a field of what size? Do we (really) need 2 different encodings for prefix and address? Especiall= y since the rest of the algorithm does not make the difference: "o Encode the remaining set of FECs as follows o Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm: (Prefix Length, Prefix, SR Algorithm, routing_instance_id, Topology)" --- =A72.5.2. Redistribution between Routing Protocol Instances " o If the receiving instance's SRGB is the same as the SRGB of origin instance, THEN o the index is redistributed with the route o Else o the index is not redistributed and if needed it is the duty of the receiving instance to allocate a fresh index relative to its own SRGB" With a strict interpretation of this rule, when one increases the size of t= he SRGB, all indexes from redistributed prefixes will be withdrawn because = it's unlikely that we can guaranty that the change of both SRGB be atomic. Could this be accommodated? e.g. by only using the SRBG below the index ? i= .e SRGB [0;index] or just the mapped label in both SRGB? --- =A72.6 OLD: In the general case, the ingress node may not have exactly have the same data of the receiving node, so the result may be different. NEW: In the general case, the ingress node may not have exactly the same data of the receiving node, so the result may be different. ---- =A72.10 OLD This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top label only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]. This may be understood as requiring a _normative_ reference for [I.D.filsfi= ls-spring-segment-routing-policy], which would significantly delay the RFC = publication of this document. Proposed NEW1: This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top label only. Other cases are out of scope of this document. Or NEW2: This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top label only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is out of scope of this document. -- =A72.10.1 " Suppose an MCC on a router "R0" determines that PUSH or CONTINUE operation is to be applied to an incoming packet whose active SID is the global SID "Si" ..." My undertanding is that "whose" in "whose active SID" refers to the the "i= ncoming packet". This seems to imply that the incoming packet is (already) = labeled. - This does not match the example used in the following paregraph, where th= e incoming packet is IP. "An example of a method to determine the SID "Si" for PUSH operation is the case where IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis- segment-routing-extensions] receives the prefix-SID "Si" sub-TLV advertised with prefix "P/m" in TLV 135 and the destination address of the incoming IPv4 packet is covered by the prefix "P/m"." - Also, you can't simply perform a PUSH on a received label packet. You fi= rst need to POP or SWAP the incoming label. May be proposed NEW: Suppose an MCC on a router "R0" determines that a PUSH or CONTINUE operation is to be applied to an incoming packet, related to the global = SID "Si" ... ----- =A72.10.1 OLD: If the neighbor "N" does not support SR or "I" does not satisfy the inequality specified in Section 2.4 for the SRGB of the neighbor "N" May be a more generic sentence: NEW If the neighbor "N" does not support SR or advertises a SRGB invalid = or too small, ----- =A72.10.1 OLD: o If it is possible to send the packet towards the neighbor "N" using standard MPLS forwarding behavior as specified in {RFC3031] and [RFC3032], then forward the packet. The method by which a router decides whether it is possible to send the packet to "N" or not is beyond the scope of this document. For example, the router "R0" can use the downstream label determined by another MCC, such as LDP [RFC5036], to send the packet. The fall back to LDP seems like a mandated behavior. If so, the behavior se= ems under-specified. In particular "out of scope of this document" does not= seem like a valid argument. Possible NEW: " o If this neighbor "N" advertises a valid label for the same FEC vi= a another MCC (e.g. LDP [RFC5036]), then forward the packet to N, using the= label advertised by this MCC. ---- 2.11.2. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to CONTINUE Operation for Local S= IDs "A local SID on a router "R0" corresponds to a local label such as an IGP adj-SID. In such scenario, the outgoing label towards a next-hop "N" is determined by the MCC running on the router "R0"and the forwarding behavior for CONTINUE operation is identical to swap operation [RFC3032] on an MPLS label" I'm not seeing a case where an IGP adj-SID would have "CONTINUE" as a forwa= rding behavior. And the SR architecture requires a NEXT operation: " When a node binds an Adj-SID to a local data-link L, the node MUST install the following FIB entry: Incoming Active Segment: V Ingress Operation: NEXT Egress Interface: L" https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15#section-3.4 A solution would be to simply remove "such as an IGP adj-SID" --- =A73 IGP Segment examples This section, also useful, is quite long and not normative for this STD tra= ck doc. An option may be to move it to appendix. Up to you. --- =A73.1 "R2 is the next-hop along the shortest path towards R8. By applying the steps in Section 2.8 the local label downloaded to R1's FIB corresponding to the global SID index 8 is 1008 because the SRGB of R2 is [1000,5000] as shown in Figure 2." may be OLD: local label downloaded to R1's FIB NEW: local outgoing label downloaded to R1's FIB (because I would assume that by default, label downloaded in the FIB is pr= obably the incomig label one) -- OLD: owned by the R8 NEW1: OLD: owned by R8 NEW2: OLD: owned by the node R8 -- "The packet arrives at router R2. Because the top label 1008 corresponds to the IGP SID "8", which is the prefix-SID attached to the prefix 192.0.2.8/32 owned by the R8, then the instruction associated with the SID is "forward the packet using all ECMP/UCMP interfaces and all ECMP/UCMP next-hop(s) along the shortest path towards R8". " IGP prefix-SID are typically forwarded along the ECMP shortest path. I'm no= t sure where "UCMP" is coming from. Also "along the shortest path" seems to= be incompatible with UCMP. -- "Because R3 is the penultimate hop, R3 applies NEXT operation then sends the packet to R8." "penultimate hop" is a required but not sufficient reason. You are assum= ing that R8 asked for PHP, but I'm not seeing this assumption stated in the= text. --- "The NEXT operation results in popping the outer label and sending the packet as a pure IPv4 packet to R8. The In conclusion, " OLD: The NEW: --- =A73.2 & =A73.3 & =A73.4 & =A73.5 " Using the calculation techniques specified in Section 2.10 and 2.11 the resulting label stack starting from the topmost label is <1002, 9001, 1008>." Actually section 2.10 only defines the calculation technique for the top la= bel: "This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top label only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]." https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13#se= ction-2.10 Hence this document does not define the behavior for this example 2. You= would need to either extend this doc to cover the push of a stack of label= /SID or remove these examples 2, 3, 4, 5 ---- [RFC8174] to be added to normative references. From: bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:14 PM To: SPRING WG List Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 Hello Working Group, This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-spring-segment-ro= uting-mpls-13 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working = group review. 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Thank you, Bruno, Rob [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/STiYsQJWuVXA1C9hK4BiUnyMu7Y ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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Hi authors,=

 

I’ve rev= iewed the document.

It looks good,= thanks for your effort.

 

Please find be= low some comments, nothing major.

Thanks for con= sidering them as part of the WG LC.

 

Thanks,

Regards,<= /o:p>

Bruno

 

---=

Somewhere in A= bstract/1. Introduction/2. MPLS Instantiation of Segment Routing=

 

MPLS Instantia= tion of Segment Routing is sometimes referred to with two different names: = MPLS-SR or SR-MPLS which seems sub-optimal.

[I.D.-ietf-spr= ing-segment-routing] uses the term SR-MPLS. May this term should also be us= ed at least once in this document.

 

---=

=A72.2

"using th= e SRGB of the node"

Please expand = SRGB on first used. (in -13, this term is expand on =A72.3 which is after)<= o:p>

 

---=

=A72.3

OLD: Just like= SRGB, the SRLB need not be a single

   c= ontiguous range of label, except the SRGB MUST only be used to

   i= nstantiate global SIDs into the MPLS forwarding plane.

 

NEW:

Just like SRGB= , the SRLB need not be a single

   c= ontiguous range of label.

  

(simplify the = sentence. The rule is already stated before in this section)

 

---=

[SRLB]

"Hence it= is

   s= pecified the same way and follows the same rules SRGB is specified

   a= bove in this sub-section."

 

Sentence is no= t crystal clear and could probably be rephrased.

More important= ly, the sentence is incorrect: the SRLB does not follow the last SRGB rules= ( "The list of label ranges MUST only be used to instantiate global SIDs into the MPLS forwarding plane")

 

------

=A72.4

 

"0 =3D<= ; I < size."

"size =3D= Lh(1)- Ll(1) + 1 + Lh(2)- Ll(2) + 1 + ... + Lh(k)- Ll(= k) + 1"

 

Algorithm look= s good to me. Yet starting the index at 0 for SID index, and 1 for SRGB sub= -blocks may be slightly misleading. "Lh(1)- Ll(1)" seems only defined in this document so an option would be to start with "Lh(0)- = Ll(0)" (this would impact the algo: :s/j =3D 1/ j =3D 0)

Up to you.

 

------

=A72.5

 

OLD: MPLS Inco= ming Label MAP

NEW: MPLS Inco= ming Label Map

 

(as per https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3031#section-3.11 )

--<= /span>

OLD: o  (= Endpoint, Color) representing an SR policy [I.D. filsfils-spring-segment-ro= uting-policy]

NEW: o  a= n SR policy [I.D.-ietf-spring-segment-routing]

 

(Otherwise, th= is would likely require a _Normative_ reference to I.D. filsfils-spring-seg= ment-routing-policy which would significantly delay the RFC publication of this document. While [I.D.-ietf-spring-segment-routing is a= lready in the RFC editor queue and does define a SR policy. )

 

--<= /span>

OLD:

 

   o=   (Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm), where a topology

  &n= bsp;   is identified by a set of links with metrics. For the purp= ose of

  &n= bsp;   incoming label collision resolution, the same numerical va= lue

  &n= bsp;   SHOULD be used on all routers to identify the same set of = links

  &n= bsp;   with metrics.

 

(It's not crys= tal clear what "numerical value" refers to, given the list (Prefi= x, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm))

  &n= bsp;          

NEW1:

   o=   (Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm), where a topology

  &n= bsp;   is identified by a set of links with metrics. For the purp= ose of

  &n= bsp;   incoming label collision resolution, the same Topology num= erical value

  &n= bsp;   SHOULD be used on all routers to identify the same set of = links

  &n= bsp;   with metrics.

  &n= bsp;           

  &n= bsp;           

NEW2:

   o=   (Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm). A Topology

  &n= bsp;   identifies a set of links with metrics. For the purpose of=

  &n= bsp;   incoming label collision resolution, the same Topology num= erical value

  &n= bsp;   SHOULD be used on all routers to identify the same set of = links

  &n= bsp;   with metrics.

 

-----

=A72.5.1<= /o:p>

 

" &n= bsp;     o All addresses are represented in 128 bits as= follows

 

  &n= bsp;         . IPv6 address is enco= ded natively

 

  &n= bsp;         . IPv4 address is enco= ded in the most significant bits and

  &n= bsp;            the = remaining bits are set to zero

 

  &n= bsp;    o All prefixes are represented by 128.

 

  &n= bsp;         . A prefix is encoded = in the most significant bits and the

  &n= bsp;            rema= ining bits are set to zero.

 

  &n= bsp;         . The prefix length is= encoded before the prefix"

  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      

  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      

  &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;      

"All pref= ixes are represented by 128."

128 what? Coul= d be bits, but this does not fit with the addition of the prefix length.

 

"The pref= ix length is encoded before the prefix"

using a field = of what size?

 

 

Do we (really)= need 2 different encodings for prefix and address? Especially since the re= st of the algorithm does not make the difference:

   &= quot;o  Encode the remaining set of FECs as follows<= /p>

 

  &n= bsp;    o Prefix, Routing Instance, Topology, Algorithm: (Pr= efix Length,

  &n= bsp;      Prefix, SR Algorithm, routing_instance_i= d, Topology)"

---=

=A72.5.2. Redi= stribution between Routing Protocol Instances

 

 

" &n= bsp; o  If the receiving instance's SRGB is the same as the SRGB of or= igin

  &n= bsp;   instance, THEN

 

  &n= bsp;    o the index is redistributed with the route

 

   o=   Else

 

  &n= bsp;    o the index is not redistributed and if needed it is= the duty of

  &n= bsp;      the receiving instance to allocate a fre= sh index relative to

  &n= bsp;      its own SRGB"

  &n= bsp;            = ;        

With a strict = interpretation of this rule, when one increases the size of the SRGB, all i= ndexes from redistributed prefixes will be withdrawn because it's unlikely that we can guaranty that the change of both SRGB be atomic.=

Could this be = accommodated? e.g. by only using the SRBG below the index ? i.e SRGB [0;ind= ex] or just the mapped label in both SRGB?

---=

=A72.6

OLD:

In the general= case, the ingress node may not have exactly have the

   s= ame data of the receiving node, so the result may be different.<= /span>

 

NEW:

In the general= case, the ingress node may not have exactly the

   s= ame data of the receiving node, so the result may be different.<= /span>

 

----

=A72.10

 

OLD=

   T= his document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top

   l= abel only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is

   p= art of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a=

   t= raffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as<= /span>

   [= I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy].

  

This may be un= derstood as requiring a _normative_ reference for [I.D.filsfils-spring-segm= ent-routing-policy], which would significantly delay the RFC publication of this document.

 

Proposed NEW1:

  &n= bsp;This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top=

   l= abel only. Other cases are out of scope of this document.=

 

Or NEW2:<= /o:p>

  This do= cument covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top

   l= abel only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is

   p= art of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a=

   t= raffic engineering tunnel is out of scope of this document.

-- 

=A72.10.1=

 

" &n= bsp; Suppose an MCC on a router "R0" determines that PUSH or CONT= INUE

   o= peration is to be applied to an incoming packet whose active SID is

   t= he global SID "Si" ..."

  

 My under= tanding is that "whose" in "whose active SID" refers to= the the "incoming packet". This seems to imply that the incoming= packet is (already) labeled.

- This does no= t match the example used in the following paregraph, where the incoming pac= ket is IP.

 "An= example of a method to determine the SID

   &= quot;Si" for PUSH operation is the case where IS-IS [I-D.ietf-isis-

   s= egment-routing-extensions] receives the prefix-SID "Si" sub-TLV

   a= dvertised with prefix "P/m" in TLV 135 and the destination addres= s

   o= f the incoming IPv4 packet is covered by the prefix "P/m"."<= o:p>

 - Also, = you can't simply perform a PUSH on a received label packet. You first need = to POP or SWAP the incoming label.

 

May be propose= d NEW:

   S= uppose an MCC on a router "R0" determines that a PUSH or CONTINUE=

   o= peration is to be applied to an incoming packet, related to the global SID = "Si" ...

-----

=A72.10.1=

 

OLD: If the ne= ighbor "N" does not support SR or "I" does not satisfy<= o:p>

  &n= bsp;   the inequality specified in Section 2.4 for the SRGB of th= e

  &n= bsp;   neighbor "N"

  &n= bsp;          

May be a more = generic sentence:

 

NEW  = ; If the neighbor "N" does not support SR or advertises a SRGB in= valid or too small,

 -----

=A72.10.1=

 

OLD:

  &n= bsp;    o If it is possible to send the packet towards the n= eighbor "N"

  &n= bsp;       using standard MPLS forwarding beh= avior as specified in

  &n= bsp;       {RFC3031] and [RFC3032], then forw= ard the packet. The method

  &n= bsp;       by which a router decides whether = it is possible to send the

  &n= bsp;       packet to "N" or not is = beyond the scope of this document. For

  &n= bsp;       example, the router "R0"= can use the downstream label

  &n= bsp;       determined by another MCC, such as= LDP [RFC5036], to send the

  &n= bsp;       packet.

 

The fall back = to LDP seems like a mandated behavior. If so, the behavior seems under-spec= ified. In particular "out of scope of this document" does not seem like a valid argument.

 

Possible NEW:<= o:p>

" &n= bsp;     o If this neighbor "N" advertises a = valid label for the same FEC via another MCC (e.g. LDP [RFC5036]), then for= ward the packet to N, using the label advertised by this MCC.

 

----

2.11.2. Forwar= ding Behavior Corresponding to CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs=

 

  "A= local SID on a router "R0" corresponds to a local label such as = an

   I= GP adj-SID. In such scenario, the outgoing label towards a next-hop

   &= quot;N" is determined by the MCC running on the router "R0"a= nd the

   f= orwarding behavior for CONTINUE operation is identical to swap

   o= peration [RFC3032] on an MPLS label"

  

I'm not seeing= a case where an IGP adj-SID would have "CONTINUE" as a forwardin= g behavior.

And the SR arc= hitecture requires a NEXT operation:

" &n= bsp;    When a node binds an Adj-SID to a local data-link L,= the node MUST

  &n= bsp;    install the following FIB entry:

 

  &n= bsp;   Incoming Active Segment: V

  &n= bsp;   Ingress Operation: NEXT

  &n= bsp;   Egress Interface: L"

 

https://tools.= ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15#section-3.4

 

A solution wou= ld be to simply remove "such as an IGP adj-SID"=

---=

=A73 IGP Segme= nt examples

 

This section, = also useful, is quite long and not normative for this STD track doc. An opt= ion may be to move it to appendix.

Up to you.

---=

=A73.1

 

"R2 is th= e next-hop along the shortest path towards R8. By applying

   t= he steps in Section 2.8 the local label downloaded to R1's FIB

   c= orresponding to the global SID index 8 is 1008 because the SRGB of

   R= 2 is [1000,5000] as shown in Figure 2."

  

 may be

OLD:  loc= al label downloaded to R1's FIB

NEW:  loc= al outgoing label downloaded to R1's FIB

 (because= I would assume that by default, label downloaded in the FIB is probably th= e incomig label one)

 --<= /o:p>

OLD: owned by = the R8

NEW1: OLD: own= ed by R8

NEW2: OLD: own= ed by the node R8

--<= /span>

"The pack= et arrives at router R2. Because the top label 1008

   c= orresponds to the IGP SID "8", which is the prefix-SID attached t= o

   t= he prefix 192.0.2.8/32 owned by the R8, then the instruction

   a= ssociated with the SID is "forward the packet using all ECMP/UCMP=

   i= nterfaces and all ECMP/UCMP next-hop(s) along the shortest path<= /span>

   t= owards R8". "

 

IGP prefix-SID= are typically forwarded along the ECMP shortest path. I'm not sure where &= quot;UCMP" is coming from. Also "along the shortest path" se= ems to be incompatible with UCMP.

--<= /span>

"Because = R3

   i= s the penultimate hop, R3 applies NEXT operation then sends the<= /span>

   p= acket to R8."

 

   &= quot;penultimate hop" is a required but not sufficient reason. You are= assuming that R8 asked for PHP, but I'm not seeing this assumption stated = in the text.

---=

"The NEXT= operation results in popping the outer label

   a= nd sending the packet as a pure IPv4 packet to R8. The

 

   I= n conclusion, "

  

OLD: The<= /o:p>

NEW:

---=

=A73.2 & = =A73.3 & =A73.4 & =A73.5

" Using t= he

   c= alculation techniques specified in Section 2.10 and 2.11 the

   r= esulting label stack starting from the topmost label is <1002, 9001,

   1= 008>."

  

Actually secti= on 2.10 only defines the calculation technique for the top label:

 

   &= quot;This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top

   l= abel only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is

   p= art of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a=

   t= raffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as<= /span>

   [= I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]."

   h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13#sectio= n-2.10

  

  &n= bsp;Hence this document does not define the behavior for this example 2. Yo= u would need to either extend this doc to cover the push of a stack of labe= l/SID or remove these examples 2, 3, 4, 5

----

[RFC8174] to b= e added to normative references.

 

 

From:<= /b> bruno.decraene@orange.com [mailto:b= runo.decraene@orange.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 7:14 PM
To: SPRING WG List
Cc: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org
Subject: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13<= o:p>

 

Hello Working Group,
    
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on dr=
aft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 [1] which is considered mature and =
ready for a final working group review.
    
Please read this document if you haven't read the=
 most recent version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than=
 *June 08*.
 
As a reminder, this document had already passed a=
 WGLC more than a year ago on version -06 [2], had been sent to the AD but =
then returned to the WG.
Since then, the document has significantly change=
d, so please read it again. In particular, it now includes the resolution i=
n case of incoming label collision. Hence it killed draft-ietf-spring-confl=
ict-resolution.
 
Both co-chairs co-author this document, hence:
- Shraddha has agreed to be the document shepherd=
. Thank you Shraddha.
- Martin, our AD, has agreed to evaluate the WG c=
onsensus.
    
Thank you,
Bruno, Rob
 
[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf=
-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/m=
sg/spring/STiYsQJWuVXA1C9hK4BiUnyMu7Y
 
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1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:23:01 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01D3F412.55958F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I think it is well past time that we completed this foundation work and got an RFC published. So I support passing this draft to the AD again. However, we do need to clean it up first. Hopefully this won't be a lot of effort for the editors as nearly all I found were editorial nits. As a side comment, it isn't a success that section 2.5 is so large. Full one quarter of the document is dedicated to the edge case of collision avoidance. That said, I don't have a better solution. Thanks for the work. Adrian ==== idnits isn't as clean as it could be. In particular: - 2.5.2.1 uses IP address 1.1.1.1 and should pick one from RFC 6890. - Missing normative reference for RFC 8174 - [I-D.ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy] is not used - [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions] and [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] have spurious spaces in the filenames --- You'll need to move the "Requirements Language" to be Section 1.1. --- Section 2 s/link State IGPs/link state IGPs/ s/Segment ID (SIDs)/Segment IDs (SIDs)/ --- You use SRGB in 2.2 before you expand it in 2.3 --- 2.2 o The label value MUST be unique within the router on which the MCC is running. i.e. the label MUST only be used to represent the SID. I don't think you mean this. You have written that the label value has be unique which means that only one label value can be assigned to a SID. I think what you mean is that o The label value MUST NOT be used for any other purpose on the router on which the MCC is running. I.e. the label MUST NOT be used to represent more than one SID or for any other forwarding purpose on the router. --- 2.2 Unusual to have a normative reference to an IANA URL as you have for [reserved-MPLS]. Besides, the URL you give is 404. You would do better to reference RFC 7274. You might also fix the language and terminology, thus... OLD o The label value MUST NOT be identical to or within the range of any reserved label value or range [reserved-MPLS], respectively. NEW o The label value MUST NOT come from the range of special purpose labels [RFC7274]. --- 2.3 ditto OLD o Every range in the list of ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT cover or overlap with a reserved label value or range [reserved- MPLS], respectively. NEW o Every range in the list of ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT cover or overlap with the range of special purpose labels [RFC7274]. --- 2.3 o If the SRGB of a node does not conform to the structure specified in this section or to the previous two rules, then this SRGB is completely ignored and the node is treated as if it does not have an SRGB. Can we fix this passive voice? Presume the intention is that the advertisement of this SRGB is ignored by any routing protocol speakers that receive it. Two points of clarification I think we should add: 1. The *whole* SRGB is ignored, not simply the range of labels in a set of ranges that is at fault 2. The term "ignore" in this case means that no SR action is taken, but the SRGB advertisement continues to be propagated within the routing protocol. --- 2.3 (bottom of page 5) s/reserved label/special purpose label/ --- 2.3 s/contiguous range of label/contiguous range of labels/ --- 2.5 s/(e.g.,over/(e.g., over/ s/map to the same incoming/maps to the same incoming/ s/FECk} maps to the same/FECk} map to the same/ s/non-zero algo/non-zero algorithm/ --- 2.5.1 The plural of FEC is FECs not FEC's --- 2.5.1 2. if more than one competing FEC remains after step 1, sort them and select the smallest numerical FEC value Is sorting required? Can we just have... 2. if more than one competing FEC remains after step 1, select the smallest numerical FEC value --- 2.5.1 An implementation may choose to implement additional s/may/MAY/ --- 2.5.2 s/THEN/then/ --- 2.7 s/plan./plane./ --- Terminology for adjacency SIDs needs to be harmonised. draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing has "IGP-Adjacency Segment" and "Adj-SID" This document has: adjacency SID (2.5.1) Adj-SID (2.7.3) adj-SID (2.7.3) IGP-adjacency-SID (2.8) IGP-Adj-SID (2.11.1) IGP adj-SID (2.11.2) --- Some of the section names are overly long and can be cut down without risking much. This helps with layout and readability. Just a suggestion, but... OLD 2.1. Supporting Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix 2.8. MPLS Label downloaded to FIB corresponding to Global and Local SIDs 2.10.1. Forwarding Behavior for PUSH and CONTINUE Operation for Global SIDs 2.10.2. Forwarding Behavior for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs 2.11.1. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to PUSH Operation on Local SIDs 2.11.2. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs NEW 2.1. Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix 2.8. MPLS Label Downloaded to FIB for Global and Local SIDs 2.10.1. Forwarding for PUSH and CONTINUE of Global SIDs 2.10.2. Forwarding for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs 2.11.1. Forwarding for PUSH Operation on Local SIDs 2.11.2. Forwarding for CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs --- For some reason the definite article is missing before a lot of instances of "FIB". For example, in 2.8... The label corresponding to the global SID "Si" represented by the global index "I" downloaded to FIB is used to match packets whose --- 2.10 OLD This section specifies forwarding behavior, including the outgoing label(s) calculations corresponding to a global SID when applying PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT operations in the MPLS forwarding plane. This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top label only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]. NEW This section specifies forwarding behavior, including the calculation of outgoing labels, that corresponds to a global SID when applying PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT operations in the MPLS forwarding plane. This document covers the calculation of the outgoing label for the top label only. The case where the outgoing label is not the top label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]. --- 2.10.1 s/{RFC3031]/[RFC3031]/ --- 2.10.2 has o Apply the instruction associated with the incoming label prior to popping This is a little ambiguous. Might be read that the instruction should be applied prior to popping. The text that follows des clarify, but perhaps rewrite as... o Apply the instruction associated with the incoming label that has been popped --- In order that ECMP descriptions work in the examples, Section 3 just needs a quick comment like. All links in this example have the same IGP metric. --- While it is largely OK to defer the discussion of manageability in Section 5 to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing, it would make sense to make explicit reference to RFC 8287 because that is the key document that means no further OAM discussion is needed in this document. Probably just copy in the following paragraph SR OAM use cases for the MPLS data plane are defined in [I-D.ietf-spring-oam-usecase]. SR OAM procedures for the MPLS data plane are defined in [RFC8287]. --- 8. Possibly Himanshu would prefer to be named as "Himanshu Shah". 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Hi,

 

I think it is well = past time that we completed this foundation work

and got an RFC = published. So I support passing this draft to the = AD

again.

 

However, we do need to = clean it up first. Hopefully this won't be a

lot of effort for the = editors as nearly all I found were editorial

nits.

 

As a side comment, it = isn't a success that section 2.5 is so large.

Full one quarter of = the document is dedicated to the edge case of

collision avoidance. = That said, I don't have a better solution.

 

Thanks for the = work.

 

Adrian

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

idnits isn't as clean = as it could be. In particular:

- 2.5.2.1 uses IP = address 1.1.1.1 and should pick one from RFC = 6890.

- Missing normative = reference for RFC 8174

- = [I-D.ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy] is not = used

- = [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions] = and

  = [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] have spurious spaces = in

  the = filenames

 

---

 

You'll need to move = the "Requirements Language" to be Section = 1.1.

 

---

 

Section = 2

s/link State IGPs/link = state IGPs/

s/Segment ID = (SIDs)/Segment IDs (SIDs)/

 

---

 

You use SRGB in 2.2 = before you expand it in 2.3

 

---

 

2.2

=

   o  The label value MUST be unique = within the router on which the MCC

      is = running. i.e. the label MUST only be used to represent the = SID.

 

I don't think you mean = this. You have written that the label value has

be unique which means = that only one label value can be assigned to a

SID.

 

I think what you mean = is that

 

   o  The label value MUST NOT be = used for any other purpose on the

      rou= ter on which the MCC is running. I.e. the label MUST NOT be =

      use= d to represent more than one SID or for any other = forwarding

      purpose = on the router.

 

---

 

2.2

 

Unusual to have a = normative reference to an IANA URL as you have = for

[reserved-MPLS]. = Besides, the URL you give is 404.

 

You would do better to = reference RFC 7274.

 

You might also fix the = language and terminology, thus...

 

OLD

   o  The label value MUST NOT be = identical to or within the range of

      any = reserved label value or range [reserved-MPLS], = respectively.

NEW

   o  The label value MUST NOT come = from the range of special purpose

      labels = [RFC7274].

 

---

 

2.3 = ditto

 

OLD

   o  Every range in the list of = ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT

      cover = or overlap with a reserved label value or range = [reserved-

      MPLS], = respectively.

NEW

   o  Every range in the list of = ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT

      cover = or overlap with the range of special purpose labels =

      [RF= C7274].

 

---

 

2.3

 

   o  If the SRGB of a node does not = conform to the structure specified

      in this = section or to the previous two rules, then this SRGB = is

      = completely ignored and the node is treated as if it does not = have

      an = SRGB.

 

Can we fix this = passive voice? Presume the intention is that the =

advertisement of this = SRGB is ignored by any routing protocol speakers

that receive = it.

 

Two points of = clarification I think we should add:

 

1. The *whole* SRGB is = ignored, not simply the range of labels in a set

   of ranges that is at = fault

 

2. The term = "ignore" in this case means that no SR action is taken, = but

   the SRGB advertisement = continues to be propagated within the routing

   = protocol.

 

---

 

2.3 (bottom of page = 5)

 

s/reserved = label/special purpose label/

 

---

 

2.3

s/contiguous range of = label/contiguous range of labels/

 

---

 

2.5

s/(e.g.,over/(e.g., = over/

s/map to the same = incoming/maps to the same incoming/

s/FECk} maps to the = same/FECk} map to the same/

s/non-zero = algo/non-zero algorithm/

 

---

 

2.5.1

The plural of FEC is = FECs not FEC's

 

---

 

2.5.1

 

   2. if more than one = competing FEC remains after step 1, sort them = and

      select = the smallest numerical FEC value

 

Is sorting required? = Can we just have...

 

   2. if more than one = competing FEC remains after step 1, select the

      sma= llest numerical FEC value

 

---

 

2.5.1

An implementation may = choose to implement additional

s/may/MAY/

 

---

 

2.5.2

s/THEN/then/

 

---

 

2.7

s/plan./plane./

 

---

 

Terminology for = adjacency SIDs needs to be harmonised.

 

draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing has = "IGP-Adjacency Segment" and

"Adj-SID"

 

This document = has:

adjacency SID = (2.5.1)

Adj-SID = (2.7.3)

adj-SID = (2.7.3)

IGP-adjacency-SID = (2.8)

IGP-Adj-SID = (2.11.1)

IGP adj-SID = (2.11.2)

 

---

 

Some of the section = names are overly long and can be cut down = without

risking much. This = helps with layout and readability. Just a = suggestion,

but...

 

OLD

2.1. Supporting = Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same = Prefix

2.8. MPLS Label = downloaded to FIB corresponding to Global and Local = SIDs

2.10.1. Forwarding = Behavior for PUSH and CONTINUE Operation for Global = SIDs

2.10.2. Forwarding = Behavior for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs

2.11.1. Forwarding = Behavior Corresponding to PUSH Operation on Local = SIDs

2.11.2. Forwarding = Behavior Corresponding to CONTINUE Operation for Local = SIDs

NEW

2.1. Multiple = Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix

2.8. MPLS Label = Downloaded to FIB for Global and Local SIDs

2.10.1. Forwarding for = PUSH and CONTINUE of Global SIDs

2.10.2. Forwarding for = NEXT Operation for Global SIDs

2.11.1. Forwarding for = PUSH Operation on Local SIDs

2.11.2. Forwarding for = CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs

 

---

 

For some reason the = definite article is missing before a lot of

instances of = "FIB". For example, in 2.8...

 

   The label corresponding = to the global SID "Si" represented by = the

   global index = "I" downloaded to FIB is used to match packets = whose

 

---

 

2.10

OLD

   This section specifies = forwarding behavior, including the outgoing

   label(s) calculations = corresponding to a global SID when applying

   PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT = operations in the MPLS forwarding plane.

 

   This document covers the = calculation of outgoing label for the top

   label only. The case = where outgoing label is not the top label and is

   part of a stack of labels = that instantiates a routing policy or a

   traffic engineering = tunnel is covered in other documents such as

   = [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy].

NEW

   This section specifies = forwarding behavior, including the calculation

   of outgoing labels, that = corresponds to a global SID when applying

   PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT = operations in the MPLS forwarding plane.

 

   This document covers the = calculation of the outgoing label for the

   top label only. The = case where the outgoing label is not the top

   label and is part of = a stack of labels that instantiates a routing

   policy or a traffic = engineering tunnel is covered in other documents

   such as = [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy].

 

---

 

2.10.1

s/{RFC3031]/[RFC3031]/

 

---

 

2.10.2 = has

 

   o  Apply the instruction = associated with the incoming label prior to

      = popping

 

This is a little = ambiguous. Might be read that the instruction should = be

applied prior to = popping. The text that follows des clarify, but = perhaps

rewrite = as...

 

   o  Apply the instruction = associated with the incoming label that has

      been = popped

 

---

 

In order that ECMP = descriptions work in the examples, Section 3 = just

needs a quick comment = like.

 

   All links in this example = have the same IGP metric.

 

---

 

While it is largely OK = to defer the discussion of manageability in

Section 5 to = draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing, it would make = sense

to make explicit = reference to RFC 8287 because that is the key = document

that means no further = OAM discussion is needed in this document.

 

Probably just copy in = the following paragraph

 

   SR OAM use cases for the = MPLS data plane are defined in

   = [I-D.ietf-spring-oam-usecase].  SR OAM procedures for the MPLS = data

   plane are defined in = [RFC8287].

 

---

 

8.

 

Possibly Himanshu = would prefer to be named as "Himanshu = Shah".

 

From: spring = [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = bruno.decraene@orange.com
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Subject: = [spring] WG Last Call for = draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13

 

Hello Working =
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    =

This email starts a Working Group Last =
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killed =
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Thank =
you,
Bruno, =
Rob
 
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([2601:646:9300:3021:dda5:74b2:b3e6:d6dc]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x84-v6sm60379769pfi.160.2018.05.25.09.08.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 25 May 2018 09:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D095E87B-8DE0-4BD2-A6B1-D0C9AB57DCB1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Gaurav Dawra X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15E302) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:08:43 -0700 Cc: spring@ietf.org, tsv-art@ietf.org, aretana.ietf@gmail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <465981C7-7AB1-43AF-8A80-69D835871077@gmail.com> References: <40ED2C86-3403-4D89-8CA8-FBB9651BF2AB@gmail.com> <6dd41180-83bd-c02e-1783-df873e749941@gmail.com> To: Martin Stiemerling Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] TSV-ART review of draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-08 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 16:08:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-D095E87B-8DE0-4BD2-A6B1-D0C9AB57DCB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin, Thanks for review. I will post the new version. Hopefully, it will address a= ll your comments and we can close this review. Any updates on below response? Cheers, Gaurav Sent from my iPhone > On May 23, 2018, at 4:17 AM, Gaurav Dawra wrote: >=20 > Hi Martin, >=20 > Thanks for the review. Any further comments here ? I will post the new ver= sion soon. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Gaurav >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On May 16, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Gaurav Dawra wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Martin, >>=20 >> Apologies from my end we had few internal authors conversations on the po= ints you have raised. >>=20 >> Please find below my response. I will be happy to discuss further, if nee= ded. >>=20 >> inline... >>=20 >>> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling wrot= e: >>>=20 >>> Hi Gaurav, >>>=20 >>> This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these mes= sages out of my sight... :-/ >>>=20 >>>> Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra: >>>> Hey Martin, >>>> Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inline[Gaurav] >>>>> On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling > wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hi all, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review team'= s ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written p= rimarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's a= uthors for their information and to allow them to address any issues raised.= When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this r= eview together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please always= CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Summary: >>>>> This draft has serious issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of S= ection3, described in the review, and needs to be rethought. The other secti= ons are good AFAIK. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Technicals: >>>>> The overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange an= d need a fix before publication IMHO: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well prove= n funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are some sort d= iscussing that different paths in the network could be used by the end host t= raffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware Networking Proposed Rese= arch Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there is no c= ommonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Section 7.1: >>>>> [KANDULA04] is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up in r= ecent times and even worse there is no evidence that this is going to work g= ood enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is= more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation will react to this >>>> [Gaurav] Will get back on this. >>>=20 >>> I will reply to the other email dicussing this. >> I have replied to other thread. >>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Section 7.2: >>>>> This section describes an idea without detailing too much about any fu= rther aspects. Further it changes the commonly accepted notion of what an en= d host can do with the network. At best this would require a good definition= of what an end host in your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (a= t least) software that usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?)= >>>>> Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a central p= oint is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated when reporte= d by any node. >>>> [Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is d= efined in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15)= can influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with= the controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- locali= zed control is allowed at Host based on performance data collection. >>>=20 >>> Performance data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to= timely (actually real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't just abou= t performance data collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" thi= s seems to try to interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. Th= is isn't even close to acceptable. >>>=20 >>> I would be ok to say that it is useful to collect performance data for o= ffline analysis and improvement of the data network. However, this is at com= pletely different magnitues of time scales. >>>=20 >>> I would recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely. >> Ack, will update in next rev: >>=20 >> Section will read like this: >>=20 >> ; >> =20 >> Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, the end host may >> deduce certain characteristics of the path on its own, and >> additionally use the information supplied with path information >> pushed from the controller or received via pull request. The host >> may further share its path observations with the centralized agent, >> so that the latter may keep up-to-date network health map to assist >> other hosts with this information. >> =20 >> For example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined >> to HostZ via Spine node Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The >> application A.1 may collect information on packet loss, deduced from >> Other offline mechanisms. [There are some pingMesh mechanisms which=20= >> Can be used here] >> =20 >> Through these mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g. >> after a flow completes, or periodically for longer lived flows. >> Next, using both local and/or global performance data, application >> A.1 as well as other applications sharing the same resources in the >> DC fabric may pick up the best path for the new flow, or update an >> existing path (e.g.: when informed of congestion on an existing >> path). >> =20 >> ; >>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Section 3, 3rd bullet point: >>>>> It is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black bo= x and that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current state= of the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you mention SRTT, M= SS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all paths exhibit this= and if not what is going to happen? >>>>> It could be an interesting research field to change many points in TCP= 's behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF w= orks but IRTF or elsewhere. >>>> [Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly trea= ting Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance metrics= as not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't th= e place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is something the network cou= ld decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or changing the forw= arding path in the network for particular flows (if it is not routed). >>=20 >> Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd bullet= point. Will update in next rev - coming shortly. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Kind regards, >>>=20 >>> Martin >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-D095E87B-8DE0-4BD2-A6B1-D0C9AB57DCB1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin,

Thanks for re= view. I will post the new version. Hopefully, it will address all your comme= nts and we can close this review.

Any updates on be= low response?

Cheers,

Gaur= av

Sent from my iPhone
=
On May 23, 2018, at 4:17 AM, Gaurav Dawra <gdawra.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the review. Any fur= ther comments here ? I will post the new version soon.

<= div>Cheers,

Gaurav

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Gaurav D= awra <gdawra.ietf@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

Hi Martin,

<= font size=3D"4" class=3D"">Apologies from my end we had few internal authors= conversations on the points you have raised.

Please find below my response. I will be happy to discu= ss further, if needed.

&= lt;Gaurav> inline...

On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling &= lt;mls.ietf@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Hi Gaurav,

This got lost on my end, sorry fo= r this. The filter just moved these messages out of my sight... :-/

Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra:
He= y Martin,
Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inlin= e[Gaurav]
On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:mls.ietf@gmail.com>= ;> wrote:

Hi all,

I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review team's o= ngoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written prim= arily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's aut= hors for their information and to allow them to address any issues raised. W= hen done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this rev= iew together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please always C= C tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review.
Summary:
This draft has serious issues in Section= 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Section3, described in the review, and needs to= be rethought. The other sections are good AFAIK.


Technicals:
The overall draft looks ok, but t= he three points below look strange and need a fix before publication IMHO:
Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ide= as, but not well proven funcationality and not even safe to use functionalit= y. Both are some sort discussing that different paths in the network could b= e used by the end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware N= etworking Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there is no common= ly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space.

Section 7.1:
[KANDULA04] is a really old refer= ence that hasn't been followed up in recent times and even worse there is no= evidence that this is going to work good enough or stable enough under real= Internet traffic. Additionally, it is more than unclear how any modern TCP i= mplementation will react to this
[Gaurav] Will get back on this.

I will reply to the othe= r email dicussing this.
<Gaurav> I have replied to other thread.


Section 7.2:
This section describes an id= ea without detailing too much about any further aspects. Further it changes t= he commonly accepted notion of what an end host can do with the network. At b= est this would require a good definition of what an end host in your setting= is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at least) software that usually not f= ound in OS availble on the market (yet?)
Further communicating= instantaneous path characteristics to a central point is potentially a bad i= dea, as the data is already outdated when reported by any node.
[Gaurav] I believe Authors= are trying to highlight that Host which is defined in (https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15) can influence t= he traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with the controller.= Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- localized control is a= llowed at Host based on performance data collection.

Performance data colle= ction (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to timely (actually real-tim= e) reaction. However, this section isn't just about performance data collect= ion as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this seems to try to interact= in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This isn't even close to acc= eptable.

I would be ok to say that it is useful= to collect performance data for offline analysis and improvement of the dat= a network. However, this is at completely different magnitues of time scales= .

I would recommend to remove the TCP part from= this section entirely.
<= font size=3D"4" class=3D""><Gaurav>Ack, will update in next rev:

Section will read like this:

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Section= 3, 3rd bullet point:
It is the foundation of TCP that the net= work is regarded as a black box and that you infer from the transmission of p= ackets what the current state of the network path is. Inferring network path= metrics (you mention SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would require= d that all paths exhibit this and if not what is going to happen?
It could be an interesting research field to change many points in TCP's b= ehavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF works= but IRTF or elsewhere.
[Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly= treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance me= trics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting?


I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP is= n't the place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is something the netwo= rk could decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or changing th= e forwarding path in the network for particular flows (if it is not routed).=

<Gaurav&g= t; Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd bullet point.&n= bsp;Will update in next rev - coming shortly.


Kind reg= ards,

 Martin


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Thanks, r. On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 10:28 AM wrote: > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we > would like to poll for IPR. > > > > If you are aware of IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. If you > are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and > 5378 provide more details). > > > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. 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Hi Bruno, SPRING,

I'm not aware of = any IPR other than that which has already been disclosed.

Thanks,
r.

On Thu, May 24, 2= 018 at 10:28 AM <bruno.decr= aene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi SPRING WG,

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In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spri= ng-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for IPR.

=C2=A0

If you are aware of IPR that applies to dra= ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. If you ar= e aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been

disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules= (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).

=C2=A0

If you are an *author or contributor* pleas= e respond to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of an= y IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR tha= t has not yet been disclosed.

=C2=A0

This document will not advance until IPR co= nfirmations have been received from all authors and contributors.=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

=C2=A0

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Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th > May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group > members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs > and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into > policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether > this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship > with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether > sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be > make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions > that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the > working group. > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" > section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be > to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this > document. > > Thanks, > Bruno & Rob. > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > --000000000000fa3558056d2121f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support

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On Wed, May = 16, 2018, 10:20 AM Rob Shakir <robjs= @google.com> wrote:
Hi SPRING WG,

This email initiates a two week c= all for working group adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routi= ng-policy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this dr= aft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly in= terested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of t= his draft.

As part of the discussions of adopting = this draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a nu= mber of requests to the authors.

1. Please clarify= in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationsh= ip to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is= generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rat= her than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the = case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other = work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-1= 4.4 are required scope of this document.

2.. Consi= der what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as co= ncise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can b= e made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group= .

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors lis= ted on this document. Please trim this to <=3D 5 front-page authors, uti= lising a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An a= pproach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-page aut= hors.

In parallel to this adoption call, I will se= nd an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm th= eir IPR position on this document.

Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.
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Please indicate your >> support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th >> May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group >> members that are not co-authors of this draft. >> >> As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the >> ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. >> >> 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its >> relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that >> this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into >> policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether >> this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship >> with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether >> sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. >> >> 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be >> make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions >> that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the >> working group.. >> >> Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. >> Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" >> section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be >> to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. >> >> In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this >> document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this >> document. >> >> Thanks, >> Bruno & Rob. >> _______________________________________________ >> spring mailing list >> spring@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >> > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > > --000000000000ee8646056d224373 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support

=
/ Hani Elmalky

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Luay Jalil= <luayjalil@gmail.com> wrote:
Support

Luay


On Wed, May 16, 2018, 10:20 AM Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com> wrote:
H= i SPRING WG,

This email initiates a two week call for wo= rking group adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-po= licy. Please indicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft a= s a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly interes= ted in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this d= raft.

As part of the discussions of adopting this = draft into SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number = of requests to the authors.

1. Please clarify in t= he text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its relationship to= other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that this work is gene= rally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather t= han path calculation. Additional clarification of whether this is the case = (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work = is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 a= re required scope of this document.

2.. Con= sider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be make as = concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions that can= be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working gro= up..

Additionally, there are curr= ently 17 authors listed on this document. Please trim this to <=3D 5 fro= nt-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" section if required f= or the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors a= s the front-page authors.

In parallel to this adop= tion call, I will send an IPR call for this document. We will need all 17 a= uthors to confirm their IPR position on this document.

=
Thanks,
Bruno & Rob.
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Thanks. s. On Thu, May 24, 2018, 7:28 PM wrote: > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we > would like to poll for IPR. > > > > If you are aware of IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. If you > are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and > 5378 provide more details). > > > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an > author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of > IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > > > This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been received > from all authors and contributors. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR.=C2=A0

Thanks.=C2=A0
s.


On Thu, May = 24, 2018, 7:28 PM <bruno.d= ecraene@orange.com> wrote:

Hi SPRING WG,

=C2=A0

In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spri= ng-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for IPR.

=C2=A0

If you are aware of IPR that applies to dra= ft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. If you ar= e aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been

disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules= (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).

=C2=A0

If you are an *author or contributor* pleas= e respond to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of an= y IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR tha= t has not yet been disclosed.

=C2=A0

This document will not advance until IPR co= nfirmations have been received from all authors and contributors.=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

=C2=A0

______________________________________________________________________=
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If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-m= pls please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate = whether it has been disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378= provide more details). If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email regardle= ss of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or c= ontributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has= not yet been disclosed. This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been received f= rom all authors and contributors. Thanks, Bruno & Rob. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I’m not = aware of non-disclosed IPR.

 

--Bruno

 

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In parallel to the = WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for = IPR.

 

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Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.=

 

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--_000_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A56B7DOPEXCLILM21corp_-- From nobody Mon May 28 02:29:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2C3126C89; Mon, 28 May 2018 02:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WVP3POYmLWlN; Mon, 28 May 2018 02:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owl2.lab.dtag.de (Owl2.lab.DTAG.DE [194.25.1.238]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBA01242F5; Mon, 28 May 2018 02:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by owl2.lab.dtag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021F3C555E; Mon, 28 May 2018 11:29:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-128.intranet (p5DD93214.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.217.50.20]) by owl2.lab.dtag.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C054DC5357; Mon, 28 May 2018 11:29:01 +0200 (CEST) To: bruno.decraene@orange.com, SPRING WG List , "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org" References: <10974_1527182894_5B06F62E_10974_441_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Martin Horneffer Message-ID: <51e84e67-2304-df2c-e9b1-caba1bf782ad@nic.dtag.de> Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 11:29:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <10974_1527182894_5B06F62E_10974_441_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D4ED4558F9FEBB007E2519C2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 09:29:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D4ED4558F9FEBB007E2519C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Im not aware of any not yet disclosed IPR. Best regards, Martin Am 24.05.18 um 19:28 schrieb bruno.decraene@orange.com: > > Hi SPRING WG, > > In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we > would like to poll for IPR. > > If you are aware of IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. > If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and > 5378 provide more details). > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not > an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are > aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been > received from all authors and contributors. > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring --------------D4ED4558F9FEBB007E2519C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Im not aware of any not yet disclosed IPR.

Best regards, Martin


Am 24.05.18 um 19:28 schrieb bruno.decraene@orange.com:

Hi SPRING WG,

In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been

disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).

If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors.

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Mon, 28 May 2018 14:04:07 -0700 (PDT) To: bruno.decraene@orange.com, SPRING WG List , "draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org" References: <10974_1527182894_5B06F62E_10974_441_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: Ahmed Bashandy Message-ID: <66655a6e-f148-6f62-4889-5ba85e79b286@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 14:04:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <10974_1527182894_5B06F62E_10974_441_1_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A47A536E0@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------87916399C3D4320A3E397BC8" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 21:04:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------87916399C3D4320A3E397BC8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not aware of any IPR that has not already been disclosed Ahmed On 5/24/18 10:28 AM, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote: > > Hi SPRING WG, > > In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we > would like to poll for IPR. > > If you are aware of IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. > If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been > > disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and > 5378 provide more details). > > If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email > regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not > an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are > aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed. > > This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been > received from all authors and contributors. > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. --------------87916399C3D4320A3E397BC8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I am not aware of any IPR that has not already been disclosed


Ahmed



On 5/24/18 10:28 AM, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote:

Hi SPRING WG,

In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls, we would like to poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls please respond to this email. If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been

disclosed in accordance with IETF IPR rules (RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 provide more details).

If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR. If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if you are aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

This document will not advance until IPR confirmations have been received from all authors and contributors.

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.

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I'm not aware of any= IPR other than that already been disclosed.

Thanks!

 

Cheers,

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In parallel to the WGLC for draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-m= pls, we would like to poll for IPR.

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certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC50F1801569; Tue, 29 May 2018 15:48:02 +0200 (CEST) To: Huzhibo , "zali@cisco.com" , "draft-ali-spring-srv6-oam@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Cc: Lizhenbin , Yangang References: <06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DF9E0B4ECF@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <8d679c41-106b-c735-34af-e717de9f0d33@pi.nu> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 15:48:01 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06CF729DA0D6854E8C1E5121AC3330DF9E0B4ECF@NKGEML515-MBS.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gbk; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] About draft-ali-spring-srv6-oam-00 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 13:48:07 -0000 Folks, I thought we had an agreement to remove the O-bit. As ZhiBo Hu points out other drafts drops it. The obvious reason to not use an O-bit is that if it ever is part of what an multipath functions hash on it will csue OAM traffic and "normal" traffic to use different paths. This defeats the idea with OAM traffic. /Loa On 2018-05-16 06:56, Huzhibo wrote: > Hi, > > draft-ali-spring-srv6-oam-00 says The OAM packets are identified by > setting the O-bit in SRHBut I Notice the latest > I-D.6man-segment-routing-headerhas removed O-bit in the SRH extension > header. I want to confirm that draft-ali-spring-srv6-oam-00 will also > remove o-bit or keep the o-bit in the later version? > > Ths > > ZhiBo Hu > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Tue May 29 10:11:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8AB12AAB6; Tue, 29 May 2018 10:11:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, 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nobody Tue May 29 22:39:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDC912FB21; Tue, 29 May 2018 22:39:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152765878305.27899.12932426095261831395@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 22:39:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-09.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 05:39:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line 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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF. Title : BGP-Prefix Segment in large-scale data centers Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Gaurav Dawra Ebben Aries Petr Lapukhov Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-09.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-05-29 Abstract: This document describes the motivation and benefits for applying segment routing in BGP-based large-scale data-centers. It describes the design to deploy segment routing in those data-centers, for both the MPLS and IPv6 dataplanes. 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dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ciLcC80I2EPk for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22b.google.com (mail-yw0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1A7212EA24 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id v197-v6so4789118ywc.13 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 07:56:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Y9J1shtnomUAz9PXLQFEK2UGOQiG4Z53p9cy6bmHd9s=; b=lZ9gr0lNZrD70F2fBp4b1hes+AQM8VnmhGIjLjHUdaCg1dZ32OXOWRUTlEY729QgZd dycX3rnim2BD6+8NsfUO6vtPDXdhrXeajxGJUytyssvKBsMc5osS4t0Pk/n6DtjYDWNu 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ADUXVKIhTbpP2X8aPI/9XrIlJlCcOeWIuy4kgiConpgc25QBKjPxt5cYswhpIY4/vWohgqKohsQBHhzTt0L34BOIKnk= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:ed06:: with SMTP id w6-v6mr1526087ywe.467.1527692175322; Wed, 30 May 2018 07:56:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <18c1bf48f8eb4a1396c7a26e22a41f0c@XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Shakir Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 07:56:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" , SPRING WG List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000704078056d6d8d05" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Source Packet Routing in NetworkinG \(SPRING\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 14:56:20 -0000 --000000000000704078056d6d8d05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Ketan. We're also pending one IPR statement from Steven Lin -- I've dropped him a note to follow up on this. If we have Steven's email by when you're ready to submit this draft, then based on the support on the list please submit it with the revised (adopted) name. I look forward to seeing the edits and the WG iterating on this document. Thanks, r. On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 7:32 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) wrote: > Hi Rob, > > > > We are working on posting the updated drafts with the trimmed author list > by this weekend. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* Rob Shakir > *Sent:* 21 May 2018 20:42 > *To:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Cc:* SPRING WG List > *Subject:* Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > Ketan, > > > > Thanks for the work on this -- this is definitely a good step to moving > towards these documents being clearer and more addressable. > > > > Just FYI, there is still an outstanding point around the authors for the > document under review here (draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy). > > > > Kind regards, > > r. > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:44 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) < > ketant@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hello Chairs/All, > > > > At the IETF London and afterwards over the mailing list, the chairs have > asked us to split the SR Policy draft into sub-documents to allow for > faster proceeding of the core concepts. As asked and discussed, the authors > have proceeded to split draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 as > follows: > > > > 1) The core architecture of SR Policy has been published > > as draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06. > > 2) The section 13 on traffic counters has been moved to an existing > draft and a new version of draft-ali-spring-sr-traffic-accounting-01 has > been posted > , > accordingly. > > 3) The contents of section 14, the Appendix, and a few other sections > have been published > > as a new informational draft, > draft-filsfils-spring-sr-policy-considerations-00. > > > > Please let know if you have any questions or feedback. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan (on behalf of authors of > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy) > > > > *From:* spring *On Behalf Of *Rob Shakir > *Sent:* 16 May 2018 20:50 > *To:* SPRING WG List > *Subject:* [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for > draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy > > > > Hi SPRING WG, > > > > This email initiates a two week call for working group adoption > for draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please indicate your > support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by *30th > May 2018*. We are particularly interested in hearing from working group > members that are not co-authors of this draft. > > > > As part of the discussions of adopting this draft into SPRING with the ADs > and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of requests to the authors. > > > > 1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with "SR policy" and its > relationship to other traffic engineering functions. It seems to me that > this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into > policies, rather than path calculation. Additional clarification of whether > this is the case (or not), would be welcome to ensure that the relationship > with other work is clear. We would ask the authors to consider whether > sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document. > > > > 2.. Consider what the core content of this document is, and how it can be > make as concise and clear as possible. There are some specific suggestions > that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the > working group. > > > > Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed on this document. > Please trim this to <= 5 front-page authors, utilising a "Contributors" > section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be > to list ~2 editors as the front-page authors. > > > > In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IPR call for this > document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR position on this > document. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruno & Rob. > > --000000000000704078056d6d8d05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Ketan.

We're also pending on= e IPR statement from Steven Lin -- I've dropped him a note to follow up= on this.

If we have Steven's email by when yo= u're ready to submit this draft, then based on the support on the list = please submit it with the revised (adopted) name.

= I look forward to seeing the edits and the WG iterating on this document.

Thanks,
r.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 7:32 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ke= tant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrot= e:

Hi Rob,<= /span>

=C2=A0

We are working on post= ing the updated drafts with the trimmed author list by this weekend.=

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= /span>

Ketan

=C2=A0

From: Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>
Sent: 21 May 2018 20:42
To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>
Cc: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils= -spring-segment-routing-policy

=C2=A0

Ketan,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the work on this -- this is definitely a = good step to moving towards these documents being clearer and more addressa= ble.

=C2=A0

Just FYI, there is still an outstanding point around= the authors for the document under review here (draft-filsfils-spring-segm= ent-routing-policy).=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Kind regards,

r.

=C2=A0

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:44 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ke= tant) <ketant@cisc= o.com> wrote:

Hello Chairs/All,

=C2=A0

At the IETF London and= afterwards over the mailing list, the chairs have asked us to split the SR Policy draft into sub-documents to allow for faster proceeding of t= he core concepts. As asked and discussed, the authors have proceeded to spl= it draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-05 as follows:

=C2=A0

1)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The core architecture of SR Policy has= been published as draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-06.

2)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The section 13 on traffic counters has= been moved to an existing draft and a new version of draft-ali-spring-sr-t= raffic-accounting-01 has been posted, accordingly.

3)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The contents of section 14, the Append= ix, and a few other sections have been published as a new informational draft,=C2=A0 draft-filsfils-spring-sr-= policy-considerations-00.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Please let know if you= have any questions or feedback.

=C2=A0

Thanks,<= u>

Ketan (on behalf of au= thors of draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy)=

=C2=A0

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rob Shakir
Sent: 16 May 2018 20:50
To: SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] Working Group Adoption Call for draft-filsfils-spr= ing-segment-routing-policy

=C2=A0

Hi SPRING WG,

=C2=A0

This email initiates a two week call for working gro= up adoption for=C2=A0draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy. Please i= ndicate your support, or otherwise, for adopting this draft as a working group item by 30th May 2018. We are particularly inter= ested in hearing from working group members that are not co-authors of this= draft.

=C2=A0

As part of the discussions of adopting this draft in= to SPRING with the ADs and chairs of other WGs, there are a number of reque= sts to the authors.

=C2=A0

1. Please clarify in the text traffic steering with = "SR policy" and its relationship to other traffic engineering fun= ctions. It seems to me that this work is generally describing how one selects and steers traffic into policies, rather than path calcula= tion. Additional clarification of whether this is the case (or not), would = be welcome to ensure that the relationship with other work is clear. We wou= ld ask the authors to consider whether sections 14.1-14.4 are required scope of this document.

=C2=A0

2.. Consider what the core content of this document = is, and how it can be make as concise and clear as possible. There are some= specific suggestions that can be made here, but we would like to see this discussed with the working group.

=C2=A0

Additionally, there are currently 17 authors listed = on this document. Please trim this to <=3D 5 front-page authors, utilisi= ng a "Contributors" section if required for the others.. An approach to achieving this would be to list ~2 editors as the front-pag= e authors.

=C2=A0

In parallel to this adoption call, I will send an IP= R call for this document. We will need all 17 authors to confirm their IPR = position on this document.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Bruno & Rob.

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So I support passing this draft to the AD > > again. > > However, we do need to clean it up first. Hopefully this won't be a > > lot of effort for the editors as nearly all I found were editorial > > nits. > > As a side comment, it isn't a success that section 2.5 is so large. > > Full one quarter of the document is dedicated to the edge case of > > collision avoidance. That said, I don't have a better solution. > > Thanks for the work. > > Adrian > > ==== > > idnits isn't as clean as it could be. In particular: > > - 2.5.2.1 uses IP address 1.1.1.1 and should pick one from RFC 6890. > > - Missing normative reference for RFC 8174 > > - [I-D.ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy] is not used > > - [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions] and > > [I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] have spurious spaces in > > the filenames > > --- > > You'll need to move the "Requirements Language" to be Section 1.1. > > --- > > Section 2 > > s/link State IGPs/link state IGPs/ > > s/Segment ID (SIDs)/Segment IDs (SIDs)/ > > --- > > You use SRGB in 2.2 before you expand it in 2.3 > > --- > > 2.2 > > oThe label value MUST be unique within the router on which the MCC > > is running. i.e. the label MUST only be used to represent the SID. > > I don't think you mean this. You have written that the label value has > > be unique which means that only one label value can be assigned to a > > SID. > > I think what you mean is that > > oThe label value MUST NOT be used for any other purpose on the > > router on which the MCC is running. I.e. the label MUST NOT be > > used to represent more than one SID or for any other forwarding > > purpose on the router. > > --- > > 2.2 > > Unusual to have a normative reference to an IANA URL as you have for > > [reserved-MPLS]. Besides, the URL you give is 404. > > You would do better to reference RFC 7274. > > You might also fix the language and terminology, thus... > > OLD > > oThe label value MUST NOT be identical to or within the range of > > any reserved label value or range [reserved-MPLS], respectively. > > NEW > > oThe label value MUST NOT come from the range of special purpose > > labels [RFC7274]. > > --- > > 2.3 ditto > > OLD > > oEvery range in the list of ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT > > cover or overlap with a reserved label value or range [reserved- > > MPLS], respectively. > > NEW > > oEvery range in the list of ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT > > cover or overlap with the range of special purpose labels > > [RFC7274]. > > --- > > 2.3 > > oIf the SRGB of a node does not conform to the structure specified > > in this section or to the previous two rules, then this SRGB is > > completely ignored and the node is treated as if it does not have > > an SRGB. > > Can we fix this passive voice? Presume the intention is that the > > advertisement of this SRGB is ignored by any routing protocol speakers > > that receive it. > > Two points of clarification I think we should add: > > 1. The *whole* SRGB is ignored, not simply the range of labels in a set > > of ranges that is at fault > > 2. The term "ignore" in this case means that no SR action is taken, but > > the SRGB advertisement continues to be propagated within the routing > > protocol. > > --- > > 2.3 (bottom of page 5) > > s/reserved label/special purpose label/ > > --- > > 2.3 > > s/contiguous range of label/contiguous range of labels/ > > --- > > 2.5 > > s/(e.g.,over/(e.g., over/ > > s/map to the same incoming/maps to the same incoming/ > > s/FECk} maps to the same/FECk} map to the same/ > > s/non-zero algo/non-zero algorithm/ > > --- > > 2.5.1 > > The plural of FEC is FECs not FEC's > > --- > > 2.5.1 > > 2. if more than one competing FEC remains after step 1, sort them and > > select the smallest numerical FEC value > > Is sorting required? Can we just have... > > 2. if more than one competing FEC remains after step 1, select the > > smallest numerical FEC value > > --- > > 2.5.1 > > An implementation may choose to implement additional > > s/may/MAY/ > > --- > > 2.5.2 > > s/THEN/then/ > > --- > > 2.7 > > s/plan./plane./ > > --- > > Terminology for adjacency SIDs needs to be harmonised. > > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing has "IGP-Adjacency Segment" and > > "Adj-SID" > > This document has: > > adjacency SID (2.5.1) > > Adj-SID (2.7.3) > > adj-SID (2.7.3) > > IGP-adjacency-SID (2.8) > > IGP-Adj-SID (2.11.1) > > IGP adj-SID (2.11.2) > > --- > > Some of the section names are overly long and can be cut down without > > risking much. This helps with layout and readability. Just a suggestion, > > but... > > OLD > > 2.1. Supporting Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix > > 2.8. MPLS Label downloaded to FIB corresponding to Global and Local SIDs > > 2.10.1. Forwarding Behavior for PUSH and CONTINUE Operation for Global > SIDs > > 2.10.2. Forwarding Behavior for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs > > 2.11.1. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to PUSH Operation on Local SIDs > > 2.11.2. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to CONTINUE Operation for > Local SIDs > > NEW > > 2.1. Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix > > 2.8. MPLS Label Downloaded to FIB for Global and Local SIDs > > 2.10.1. Forwarding for PUSH and CONTINUE of Global SIDs > > 2.10.2. Forwarding for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs > > 2.11.1. Forwarding for PUSH Operation on Local SIDs > > 2.11.2. Forwarding for CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs > > --- > > For some reason the definite article is missing before a lot of > > instances of "FIB". For example, in 2.8... > > The label corresponding to the global SID "Si" represented by the > > global index "I" downloaded to FIB is used to match packets whose > > --- > > 2.10 > > OLD > > This section specifies forwarding behavior, including the outgoing > > label(s) calculations corresponding to a global SID when applying > > PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT operations in the MPLS forwarding plane. > > This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top > > label only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is > > part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a > > traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as > > [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]. > > NEW > > This section specifies forwarding behavior, including the calculation > > of outgoing labels, that corresponds to a global SID when applying > > PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT operations in the MPLS forwarding plane. > > This document covers the calculation of the outgoing label for the > > top label only. The case where the outgoing label is not the top > > label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing > > policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents > > such as [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy]. > > --- > > 2.10.1 > > s/{RFC3031]/[RFC3031]/ > > --- > > 2.10.2 has > > oApply the instruction associated with the incoming label prior to > > popping > > This is a little ambiguous. Might be read that the instruction should be > > applied prior to popping. The text that follows des clarify, but perhaps > > rewrite as... > > oApply the instruction associated with the incoming label that has > > been popped > > --- > > In order that ECMP descriptions work in the examples, Section 3 just > > needs a quick comment like. > > All links in this example have the same IGP metric. > > --- > > While it is largely OK to defer the discussion of manageability in > > Section 5 to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing, it would make sense > > to make explicit reference to RFC 8287 because that is the key document > > that means no further OAM discussion is needed in this document. > > Probably just copy in the following paragraph > > SR OAM use cases for the MPLS data plane are defined in > > [I-D.ietf-spring-oam-usecase].SR OAM procedures for the MPLS data > > plane are defined in [RFC8287]. > > --- > > 8. > > Possibly Himanshu would prefer to be named as "Himanshu Shah". > > *From:*spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *bruno.decraene@orange.com > *Sent:* 24 May 2018 18:14 > *To:* SPRING WG List > *Cc:* draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls@ietf.org > *Subject:* [spring] WG Last Call for > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 > > Hello Working Group, > This email starts a Working Group Last Call on > draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-13 [1] which is considered > mature and ready for a final working group review. > Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version > yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *June 08*. > As a reminder, this document had already passed a WGLC more than a > year ago on version -06 [2], had been sent to the AD but then returned > to the WG. > Since then, the document has significantly changed, so please read it > again. 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Thanks a lot for the thorough review

I will take care of the comments in next version and I reply to this email explaining how they were addressed


Ahmed


On 5/25/18 2:22 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

Hi,

I think it is well past time that we completed this foundation work

and got an RFC published. So I support passing this draft to the AD

again.

However, we do need to clean it up first. Hopefully this won't be a

lot of effort for the editors as nearly all I found were editorial

nits.

As a side comment, it isn't a success that section 2.5 is so large.

Full one quarter of the document is dedicated to the edge case of

collision avoidance. That said, I don't have a better solution.

Thanks for the work.

Adrian

====

idnits isn't as clean as it could be. In particular:

- 2.5.2.1 uses IP address 1.1.1.1 and should pick one from RFC 6890.

- Missing normative reference for RFC 8174

- [I-D.ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy] is not used

- [I-D.ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions] and

[I-D.ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions] have spurious spaces in

the filenames

---

You'll need to move the "Requirements Language" to be Section 1.1.

---

Section 2

s/link State IGPs/link state IGPs/

s/Segment ID (SIDs)/Segment IDs (SIDs)/

---

You use SRGB in 2.2 before you expand it in 2.3

---

2.2

o The label value MUST be unique within the router on which the MCC

is running. i.e. the label MUST only be used to represent the SID.

I don't think you mean this. You have written that the label value has

be unique which means that only one label value can be assigned to a

SID.

I think what you mean is that

o The label value MUST NOT be used for any other purpose on the

router on which the MCC is running. I.e. the label MUST NOT be

used to represent more than one SID or for any other forwarding

purpose on the router.

---

2.2

Unusual to have a normative reference to an IANA URL as you have for

[reserved-MPLS]. Besides, the URL you give is 404.

You would do better to reference RFC 7274.

You might also fix the language and terminology, thus...

OLD

o The label value MUST NOT be identical to or within the range of

any reserved label value or range [reserved-MPLS], respectively.

NEW

o The label value MUST NOT come from the range of special purpose

labels [RFC7274].

---

2.3 ditto

OLD

o Every range in the list of ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT

cover or overlap with a reserved label value or range [reserved-

MPLS], respectively.

NEW

o Every range in the list of ranges specifying the SRGB MUST NOT

cover or overlap with the range of special purpose labels

[RFC7274].

---

2.3

o If the SRGB of a node does not conform to the structure specified

in this section or to the previous two rules, then this SRGB is

completely ignored and the node is treated as if it does not have

an SRGB.

Can we fix this passive voice? Presume the intention is that the

advertisement of this SRGB is ignored by any routing protocol speakers

that receive it.

Two points of clarification I think we should add:

1. The *whole* SRGB is ignored, not simply the range of labels in a set

of ranges that is at fault

2. The term "ignore" in this case means that no SR action is taken, but

the SRGB advertisement continues to be propagated within the routing

protocol.

---

2.3 (bottom of page 5)

s/reserved label/special purpose label/

---

2.3

s/contiguous range of label/contiguous range of labels/

---

2.5

s/(e.g.,over/(e.g., over/

s/map to the same incoming/maps to the same incoming/

s/FECk} maps to the same/FECk} map to the same/

s/non-zero algo/non-zero algorithm/

---

2.5.1

The plural of FEC is FECs not FEC's

---

2.5.1

2. if more than one competing FEC remains after step 1, sort them and

select the smallest numerical FEC value

Is sorting required? Can we just have...

2. if more than one competing FEC remains after step 1, select the

smallest numerical FEC value

---

2.5.1

An implementation may choose to implement additional

s/may/MAY/

---

2.5.2

s/THEN/then/

---

2.7

s/plan./plane./

---

Terminology for adjacency SIDs needs to be harmonised.

draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing has "IGP-Adjacency Segment" and

"Adj-SID"

This document has:

adjacency SID (2.5.1)

Adj-SID (2.7.3)

adj-SID (2.7.3)

IGP-adjacency-SID (2.8)

IGP-Adj-SID (2.11.1)

IGP adj-SID (2.11.2)

---

Some of the section names are overly long and can be cut down without

risking much. This helps with layout and readability. Just a suggestion,

but...

OLD

2.1. Supporting Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix

2.8. MPLS Label downloaded to FIB corresponding to Global and Local SIDs

2.10.1. Forwarding Behavior for PUSH and CONTINUE Operation for Global SIDs

2.10.2. Forwarding Behavior for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs

2.11.1. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to PUSH Operation on Local SIDs

2.11.2. Forwarding Behavior Corresponding to CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs

NEW

2.1. Multiple Forwarding Behaviors for the Same Prefix

2.8. MPLS Label Downloaded to FIB for Global and Local SIDs

2.10.1. Forwarding for PUSH and CONTINUE of Global SIDs

2.10.2. Forwarding for NEXT Operation for Global SIDs

2.11.1. Forwarding for PUSH Operation on Local SIDs

2.11.2. Forwarding for CONTINUE Operation for Local SIDs

---

For some reason the definite article is missing before a lot of

instances of "FIB". For example, in 2.8...

The label corresponding to the global SID "Si" represented by the

global index "I" downloaded to FIB is used to match packets whose

---

2.10

OLD

This section specifies forwarding behavior, including the outgoing

label(s) calculations corresponding to a global SID when applying

PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT operations in the MPLS forwarding plane.

This document covers the calculation of outgoing label for the top

label only. The case where outgoing label is not the top label and is

part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing policy or a

traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents such as

[I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy].

NEW

This section specifies forwarding behavior, including the calculation

of outgoing labels, that corresponds to a global SID when applying

PUSH, CONTINUE, and NEXT operations in the MPLS forwarding plane.

This document covers the calculation of the outgoing label for the

top label only. The case where the outgoing label is not the top

label and is part of a stack of labels that instantiates a routing

policy or a traffic engineering tunnel is covered in other documents

such as [I.D.filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy].

---

2.10.1

s/{RFC3031]/[RFC3031]/

---

2.10.2 has

o Apply the instruction associated with the incoming label prior to

popping

This is a little ambiguous. Might be read that the instruction should be

applied prior to popping. The text that follows des clarify, but perhaps

rewrite as...

o Apply the instruction associated with the incoming label that has

been popped

---

In order that ECMP descriptions work in the examples, Section 3 just

needs a quick comment like.

All links in this example have the same IGP metric.

---

While it is largely OK to defer the discussion of manageability in

Section 5 to draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing, it would make sense

to make explicit reference to RFC 8287 because that is the key document

that means no further OAM discussion is needed in this document.

Probably just copy in the following paragraph

SR OAM use cases for the MPLS data plane are defined in

[I-D.ietf-spring-oam-usecase]. SR OAM procedures for the MPLS data

plane are defined in [RFC8287].

---

8.

Possibly Himanshu would prefer to be named as "Himanshu Shah".

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How are you? Gaurav just posted a revision. Please take a look and let us know if the changes address your concerns or not. https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-= 09 Thanks!! Alvaro. On May 25, 2018 at 12:08:46 PM, Gaurav Dawra (gdawra.ietf@gmail.com) wrote: Hi Martin, Thanks for review. I will post the new version. Hopefully, it will address all your comments and we can close this review. Any updates on below response? Cheers, Gaurav Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2018, at 4:17 AM, Gaurav Dawra wrote: Hi Martin, Thanks for the review. Any further comments here ? I will post the new version soon. Cheers, Gaurav Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Gaurav Dawra wrote: Hi Martin, Apologies from my end we had few internal authors conversations on the points you have raised. Please find below my response. I will be happy to discuss further, if needed. inline... On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling wrote: Hi Gaurav, This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these messages out of my sight... :-/ Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra: Hey Martin, Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inline[Gaurav] On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling >> wrote: Hi all, I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors for their information and to allow them to address any issues raised. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this review together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this= review. Summary: This draft has serious issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Section3, described in the review, and needs to be rethought. The other sections are good AFAIK. Technicals: The overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange and need a fix before publication IMHO: Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well proven funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are some sort discussing that different paths in the network could be used by the end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware Networking Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there is no commonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space. Section 7.1: [KANDULA04] is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up in recent times and even worse there is no evidence that this is going to work good enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation will react to this [Gaurav] Will get back on this. I will reply to the other email dicussing this. I have replied to other thread. Section 7.2: This section describes an idea without detailing too much about any further aspects. Further it changes the commonly accepted notion of what an end host can do with the network. At best this would require a good definition of what an end host in your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at least) software that usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?) Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a central point is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated when reported by any node. [Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is defined in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-1= 5) can influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with the controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- localized control is allowed at Host based on performance data collection. Performance data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to timely (actually real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't just about performance data collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this seems to try to interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This isn't even close to acceptable. I would be ok to say that it is useful to collect performance data for offline analysis and improvement of the data network. However, this is at completely different magnitues of time scales. I would recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely. Ack, will update in next rev: Section will read like this: ; * Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, the end host may* * deduce certain characteristics of the path on its own, and* * additionally use the information supplied with path information* * pushed from the controller or received via pull request. The host* * may further share its path observations with the centralized agent,* * so that the latter may keep up-to-date network health map to assist* * other hosts with this information.* * For example, an application A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined* * to HostZ via Spine node Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The* * application A.1 may collect information on packet loss, deduced from* * Other offline mechanisms. [There are some pingMesh mechanisms which * * Can be used here]* * Through these mechanisms information to a centralized agent, e.g.* * after a flow completes, or periodically for longer lived flows.* * Next, using both local and/or global performance data, application* * A.1 as well as other applications sharing the same resources in the* * DC fabric may pick up the best path for the new flow, or update an* * existing path (e.g.: when informed of congestion on an existing* * path).* ; Section 3, 3rd bullet point: It is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black box and that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current state of the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you mention SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all paths exhibit this and if not what is going to happen? It could be an interesting research field to change many points in TCP's behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF works but IRTF or elsewhere. [Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting? I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't the place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. This is something the network could decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or changing the forwarding path in the network for particular flows (if it is not routed). Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd bullet point. Will update in next rev - coming shortly. Kind regards, Martin --00000000000008cea8056d71bcbc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Martin:

Hi!=C2=A0 How are you?

Gaurav just posted a revision.=C2=A0 Please take a look an= d let us know if the changes address your concerns or not.


Thanks!!

Al= varo.

On May 25, 2018 at 12:08:46 PM, Gau= rav Dawra (gdawra.ietf@gmail.com) wrote:

Hi Martin,

Thanks for review. I will post the new version. Hopefully, it will address all your comments and we can close this review.

Any updates on below response?

Cheers,

Gaurav

Sent from my iPhone
Hi Martin,

Thanks for the review. Any further comments here ? I will post the new version soon.

Cheers,

Gaurav

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Gaurav Dawra <gdawra.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Martin,

Apologies from my end we had few internal authors conversations on the points you have raised.

Please find below my response. I will be happy to discuss further, if needed.

<Gaurav> inline...

On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Martin Stiemerling <mls= .ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gaurav,

This got lost on my end, sorry for this. The filter just moved these messages out of my sight... :-/

Am 15.02.18 um 05:47 schrieb Gaurav Dawra:
Hey Martin,
Sorry for late reply. Please see some comments inline[Gaurav]
On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Martin Stiemerling <mls.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:mls.ietf@gmail.= com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I've reviewed this document as part of the transport area review team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors for their information and to allow them to address any issues raised. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this review together with any other last-call comments they receive. Please always CC tsv-art@=E2=80=A6 if you reply to or forward this review.

Summary:
This draft has serious issues in Section 7.1, 7.2 and in one part of Section3, described in the review, and needs to be rethought. The other sections are good AFAIK.


Technicals:
The overall draft looks ok, but the three points below look strange and need a fix before publication IMHO:

Both Sections, 7.1. and 7.2., are describing ideas, but not well proven funcationality and not even safe to use functionality. Both are some sort discussing that different paths in the network could be used by the end host traffic. This sounds pretty much like the Path Aware Networking Proposed Research Group (https://irtf.org/panrg) and hints to the fact that there is no commonly understand and accepted engineering solution in this space.

Section 7.1:
[KANDULA04] is a really old reference that hasn't been followed up in recent times and even worse there is no evidence that this is going to work good enough or stable enough under real Internet traffic. Additionally, it is more than unclear how any modern TCP implementation will react to this
[Gaurav] Will get back on this.
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I will reply to the other email dicussing this.
<Gaurav> I have replied to other thread.


Section 7.2:
This section describes an idea without detailing too much about any further aspects. Further it changes the commonly accepted notion of what an end host can do with the network. At best this would require a good definition of what an end host in your setting is, e.g., a highly modified piece of (at least) software that usually not found in OS availble on the market (yet?)
Further communicating instantaneous path characteristics to a central point is potentially a bad idea, as the data is already outdated when reported by any node.
[Gaurav] I believe Authors are trying to highlight that Host which is defined in (https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-15) can influence the traffic based on the Calculations locally or jointly with the controller. Implementations can decide how much Centralized -vs- localized control is allowed at Host based on performance data collection.

Performance data collection (monitoring?) isn't crucial when it comes to timely (actually real-time) reaction. However, this section isn't just about performance data collection as it is about "Performance-aware routing" this seems to try to interact in real-time with the network behavior of TCP. This isn't even close to acceptable.

I would be ok to say that it is useful to collect performance data for offline analysis and improvement of the data network. However, this is at completely different magnitues of time scales.

I would recommend to remove the TCP part from this section entirely.
<Gaurav>Ack, will update in next rev:

Section will read like this:

;
=C2=A0
   Knowing the path associated with flows/packets, the=
 end host may
   deduce certain characte=
ristics of the path on its own, and
   additionally use the in=
formation supplied with path information
   pushed from the control=
ler or received via pull request.  The host
   may further share its p=
ath observations with the centralized agent,
   so that the latter may =
keep up-to-date network health map to assist
   other hosts with this i=
nformation.
 
   For example, an applica=
tion A.1 at HostA may pin a flow destined
   to HostZ via Spine node=
 Node5 using label stack {16005, 16011}. The
   application A.1 may collect informatio=
n on packet loss, deduced from
   Other offline mechanisms.  [There are some pingMesh mechanisms wh=
ich 
   Can be used here]
 
    Through these mechanisms information to a centrali=
zed agent, e.g.
   after a flow completes,=
 or periodically for longer lived flows.
   Next, using both local =
and/or global performance data, application
   A.1 as well as other ap=
plications sharing the same resources in the
   DC fabric may pick up t=
he best path for the new flow, or update an
   existing path (e.g.: wh=
en informed of congestion on an existing
   path).
=C2=A0
;

Section 3, 3rd bullet point:
It is the foundation of TCP that the network is regarded as a black box and that you infer from the transmission of packets what the current state of the network path is. Inferring network path metrics (you mention SRTT, MSS, CWND ) is a bad idea, as this would required that all paths exhibit this and if not what is going to happen?
It could be an interesting research field to change many points in TCP's behavior, but this once again points to the fact that this not the IETF works but IRTF or elsewhere.
 [Gaurav] Martin, Authors are trying to suggest that TCP is rightly treating Network as Black Box. Authors are implying per path performance metrics as not cached. Is there some change in text you are suggesting?


I would recommend to remove the 3rd bullet point completey. TCP isn't the place to remember "good" or "bad" paths. = This is something the network could decide, e.g., rerouting TCP flows within the network or changing the forwarding path in the network for particular flows (if it is not routed).

<Gaurav> Ack, after discussion, we will remove the Section 3 - 3rd bullet point.=C2=A0Will update in next rev - coming shortly.

Kind regards,

=C2=A0Martin


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